#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-11-16

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[00:54:44] <Valen> what are some modern mini-itx mbos are people using these days?
[02:27:03] <Deejay> moin
[03:21:10] <maxcnc> hi all from a sunny germany today expecting snow on sunday ;-)
[03:21:22] <maxcnc> pcw_home: are you on ?
[03:29:44] <Contract_Pilot> Sup.
[03:30:11] <Contract_Pilot> Been busy with Ak-47 mags today whoo!! 300 gone!
[03:34:24] <maxcnc> sold out in Texas
[03:46:28] <gonzo_> you make AK mags?
[04:09:33] <Duc_mobile> Morning all 3 a.m. is early for driving
[04:10:57] <Duc_mobile> Somehow I don't own an AK yet
[04:39:28] <gonzo_> pretty much impossible to own legally in the uk
[04:47:43] <Duc_mobile> Three quarters of my gun collection would be illegal in UK and California
[04:48:35] <Duc_mobile> When I have UK vendors come into the plant the freak out cuz most of us have guns on us when we go out to eat
[04:49:47] <gonzo_> it's not something that the general public see in the UK. Guns are only seen on film and TV. Those who do shoot tend to keep it to themselves
[04:50:29] <gonzo_> even though there are 600,000 firearm/shotgun licences issued in the UK.
[04:52:02] <Duc_mobile> It's interesting to see the cultural differences between the two places
[04:54:08] <Duc_mobile> I'm not sure how you guys doing your taxes
[04:54:17] <Duc_mobile> Deal with taxes
[04:56:25] <gonzo_> most people with bisic finances, the govenment sort out the taxes at source. So your employer hands over the tax before you see your wages
[04:56:30] <gonzo_> basic
[04:57:23] <Duc_mobile> What percentage of your income is taxes
[04:57:52] <Duc_mobile> I think right now I pay around 25% of my wages in Taxes
[04:57:52] <gonzo_> for most people it's roughly 30% of income
[04:59:22] <Duc_mobile> I'm guessing that's with people with average jobs
[04:59:29] <gonzo_> there is a minimum (£10k) that you don't pay tax on, then you pay about 35% on all above that. (with a higher % for higher earners)
[04:59:45] <Duc_mobile> Speak to text is making me look like an idiot
[05:00:07] <gonzo_> hehe, just my crap typing does that job for me
[05:00:51] <Duc_mobile> Same but I'm driving right now and it's 4:30 a.m.
[05:01:29] <gonzo_> you commute to work?
[05:01:58] <Duc_mobile> I'm visiting one of our plants and I need to set up an ACME polisher
[05:02:11] <Duc_mobile> Look up acne polisher on YouTube it's a fully automated system
[05:02:11] <gonzo_> I did think it was an odd time to see people from your side of the pond
[05:02:38] <Duc_mobile> Lol I left at 2:30 a.m. from my house to make it there by 7 a.m.
[06:11:41] <jthornton> 100% chance of rain for the next two days
[06:13:59] <jthornton> hmmm this computer seems to reboot itself a lot
[06:28:34] <duc> Is it overheating
[06:32:49] <malcom2073> Or is the power supply bad?
[06:33:01] <malcom2073> I've had reboots from a bad power supply before
[06:40:40] <Jymmm> jthornton: Have you happen to have seen this kid hanging out at your place by chance? https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/418613549548974080/o3thVcHz.jpeg
[06:41:45] <jthornton> probably not...
[06:41:59] * jthornton checks usage before clicking on a jpeg
[06:43:02] <jthornton> nope I'm over budget now
[07:10:28] <Tom_itx> 52F & light showers
[07:11:37] <Tom_itx> looks like you're getting most of it http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?animate=true&location=USKS0523
[07:21:39] <jthornton> yea, so much for siding work lol
[09:33:32] <duc> What is the difference between a 5i25 and 6i25 mesa card?
[09:34:50] <duc> Nevermind. One is pci and the other is a pci-express
[09:51:09] <MarkusBec> duc: 5i25 pci 6i25 pciexpress
[09:53:11] <duc> Yep notice right after I posted. Here's to my fingers cross my new 7i77 board ships fast
[09:58:29] <malcom2073> Did mesa finally get caught up?
[09:59:35] <lair82> pcw_home you around?
[10:00:25] <pcw_home> sort of, recovering from a bit of snippage
[10:01:55] <lair82> ?????
[10:02:23] <pcw_home> A little surgery
[10:02:50] <lair82> Oh, I hope nothing too serious, I had a question regarding the thread time on my 7i80,
[10:03:42] <pcw_home> OK
[10:05:49] <lair82> I was having some issues with my ladder logic, and starting to investigate the servo_thread, and realized that I have it set for 2.5ms, and I am actually running in the 4.9-5ms range. So I made a new slower thread just for the ladder stuff, and then I noticed the 7i80 read.tmax was in the 3.8ms range. Is this normal/
[10:06:18] <duc> malcom2073: hopefully they are
[10:06:20] <lair82> Need more coffee, too many typo's
[10:06:27] <pcw_home> No, thats crazy high
[10:07:00] <lair82> When it is running the read.time is running right around 1ms
[10:07:11] <lair82> between .85 and 1.
[10:07:13] <lair82> 25
[10:07:17] <lair82> 1.25
[10:08:05] <pcw_home> One thing to remember is that read-time is in CPU clocks
[10:08:57] <lair82> Here is what "halcmd show" gave me, 28 s32 RW 3785632 hm2_7i80.0.read.tmax
[10:09:19] <_methods> you crazy on irc answering questions after surgery
[10:09:52] <_methods> you amaze me more and more on here every day pcw_home
[10:10:09] <lair82> I thank him though, for answering them, many, many thanks
[10:10:12] <pcw_home> thats really slow, here a Old core duo running
[10:10:13] <pcw_home> 25 s32 OUT 221379 hm2_7i76e.0.read.time
[10:10:29] <pcw_home> (about 60 usec on average)
[10:10:44] <lair82> This is on that H97 board
[10:10:47] <_methods> much respect to the pcw
[10:11:04] <_methods> a dedicated genius is not a common thing
[10:11:10] <pcw_home> Using the MB port on teh h97?
[10:11:36] <lair82> Yep
[10:11:36] <pcw_home> (wife is about to yell at me to get back in bed)
[10:12:07] <lair82> I don't want you getting in trouble with her !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:13:29] <pcw_home> this should help:
[10:13:30] <pcw_home> sudo ethtool -C eth2 rx-usecs 0
[10:13:32] <pcw_home> (might be eth0 in your case)
[10:14:32] <pcw_home> may have to apt-get -install ethtool
[10:14:40] <pcw_home> bbl
[10:16:11] <lair82> No problem pcw_home get some rest, Thank you
[10:42:40] <maxcnc> Hi all
[10:44:29] <maxcnc> so pcw is gone to bed what timezone is he in
[10:48:12] <Jymmmm> Twilight Zone
[10:58:58] <lair82> He is in the Pacific time zone
[10:59:39] <CaptHindsight> sometimes he's up before the chickins, sometimes he's here later in the day
[11:00:32] <maxcnc> i will get him any time some time
[11:00:59] <anomynous> are all rfids compatible?
[11:01:09] <anomynous> or is it a bunch of different things
[11:01:10] <archivist> or read some docs and sort yourself out
[11:01:33] <maxcnc> i did but im stuck
[11:01:35] <CaptHindsight> anomynous: there are several different "standards"
[11:01:57] <anomynous> CaptHindsight, which one is small and could be glued on tool holder? ;D
[11:02:03] <maxcnc> since i updated the 5i25 7i76 the mashine is unusabel
[11:02:24] <maxcnc> the 7i76 forced to update the eeprom
[11:03:55] <lair82> maxcnc, what do you mean by "unusable"?
[11:04:46] <maxcnc> if i fire up the plasma it breaks down the 5i25 and the 7i76
[11:05:00] <maxcnc> full mashine power reset
[11:05:34] <lair82> does it give any faults or messages?
[11:05:36] <maxcnc> the linuxcnc is running as planed but no mashine anymore need to do a ESC on pc and restart the hole system
[11:06:01] <maxcnc> Communication Error 13 and error reading car 4
[11:06:57] <maxcnc> if i break the system down from 2.8 to 2.5.4 it is the same fault but the mashine keeps running and i can delete the message
[11:07:32] <lair82> Can you post the actual debug message
[11:07:46] <maxcnc> no im not on the mashine right now
[11:08:32] <maxcnc> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/49-basic-configuration/29863-mesa-7i76-time-out-error
[11:08:42] <CaptHindsight> anomynous: http://www.atlasrfidstore.com/ has a pretty wide selection and also sample kits for fair prices
[11:09:04] <maxcnc> i got a 4 insted of a 3
[11:12:15] <lair82> I would post a copy of your config on the forum, the we can start from there. What does this line in your INI look like, "DEBUG= "?
[11:13:35] <maxcnc> DEBUG = 0
[11:15:05] <lair82> I would change it to "DEBUG=0x7FFFFFFF" , it will spit out the actual debug message before linuxcnc even starts, giving clues as to what is wrong.
[11:15:27] <maxcnc> ok
[11:18:16] <maxcnc> i checked the 24V but not the 5V from PC i will do so
[11:19:01] <maxcnc> is it better to use the 5V externel
[11:22:15] <pcw_home> maxcnc: check your dmesg logs carefully for watchdog bite messages
[11:23:13] <maxcnc> ok i will
[11:23:54] <maxcnc> i got them up to 50000000
[11:24:24] <maxcnc> pcw_home: hi i missed you nearly one week
[11:25:03] <maxcnc> i got 18000uF condenser at the 7i76 24V
[11:25:30] <pcw_home> A watchdog bite will cause a cascade of sserial errors
[11:26:06] <pcw_home> and the cause of the watchdog bite must be determined to fix the problem
[11:26:12] <maxcnc> ive seen some timing updates in your update but cand find if i have to reakt in the ini or hal on that
[11:26:38] <pcw_home> are you saying you have watchdog bites?
[11:26:45] <maxcnc> no
[11:27:03] <maxcnc> the mashine runs for houres if i dont fire the plasma
[11:27:16] <maxcnc> without any message at all
[11:27:27] <maxcnc> i checked a 35min part without M3
[11:27:50] <pcw_home> so its a noise issue, probably on the DB25 cable
[11:27:53] <maxcnc> that doing well on all systemn 2.5.4 2.6 2.7.2 and 2.8master
[11:28:18] <maxcnc> i did change the cabel as i got alot of them from you
[11:28:46] <maxcnc> if i fire the plasma on 2.6 or hire the system goes off mashine side
[11:29:16] <maxcnc> on 2.5.4 i only getting a message and it runs sometimes over the error
[11:29:42] <maxcnc> sometimes it fails as on the newee linuxversions
[11:29:47] <pcw_home> 2.6 and later are fussier about sserial errors
[11:30:10] <pcw_home> I dont think 2.5.4 even reports all errors
[11:30:13] <maxcnc> i dident check if any led on the 5i25 went on
[11:30:27] <maxcnc> is there a error shown on the inside led
[11:30:41] <pcw_home> should not (unless you lost 3.3V)
[11:30:51] <maxcnc> ok
[11:31:45] <maxcnc> i got the powerplan today from the mashine i will unhook all power from the plasma ,THC and M3 system and try to fire it up by cabel shorten
[11:32:05] <maxcnc> to see if a cabel break in the wirer chans getting me in troubel
[11:32:10] <pcw_home> Can you post a dmesg log?
[11:32:11] <pcw_home> (first do a sudo dmesg -C)
[11:32:34] <pcw_home> extra character errors are a sure sign of electrical noise
[11:32:43] <maxcnc> the problem might be as you are sleeping im working and the oposit
[11:33:07] <pcw_home> (more that 1.4V of ground difference from one end to the other of DB25 cable)
[11:33:30] <maxcnc> the plasma also is old and has over 500hrs of work so it might fire some grounding issues
[11:33:42] <pcw_home> No, I have been recovering from surgery so not available the last week or so
[11:34:07] <maxcnc> No problem i got 3 othere plasmas working on 7i76
[11:34:21] <maxcnc> but they not asking for upgread
[11:34:27] <pcw_home> Make sure the 5I25 bracket is grounded well
[11:34:48] <pcw_home> thats the shield return
[11:34:59] <maxcnc> they got a xbox controller and i had to upgread for the xhc-hb04 controler on fals understanding
[11:35:45] <maxcnc> geroundet to PC ground or mashine grnd
[11:37:25] <maxcnc> so i dont get to it bracket means the DB25 metal shield
[11:45:49] <maxcnc> pcw_home: do i need this sserial at all the mashine runs also without the hal config line as this loadrt hm2_pci config=" num_encoders=0 num_pwmgens=0 num_3pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=5"
[11:46:18] <maxcnc> all the tb6 cabels trigger as expected without the sserial
[11:46:58] <maxcnc> this have been the normel pncconf entry loadrt hm2_pci config=" num_encoders=0 num_pwmgens=0 num_3pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=5 sserial_port_0=000xx"
[11:47:10] <pcw_home> sserial_port0 is started by default so its not needed in th config line
[11:47:23] <maxcnc> ok
[11:51:32] <maxcnc> havve e good recovery from the operation GN8
[12:13:54] <Jymmm> TC powered fan... http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/ecofan-ultrair-heat-powered-stove-fan
[12:29:22] <malcom2073> I enjoy thermalelectric stuff, it's nifty
[12:31:16] <Jymmm> as is the electric bill =)
[12:31:33] <malcom2073> Oh for sure :P
[12:32:44] <Jymmm> I'm trying to figure out how to heat the shop; I've seen DIY ammo cans converted into wood stoves (like for a tent), but what I'm seeing is that stove pipe is very pricy
[12:34:18] <malcom2073> Is it? I would've expected homedepot or whatnot would have it fairly cheap
[12:34:21] <malcom2073> the dual wall sorta stuff?
[12:34:27] <Jymmm> yeah
[12:34:50] <malcom2073> Ouch, $4 a ft
[12:35:00] <Jymmm> plus the thru-wall/ceiling thing
[12:35:24] <malcom2073> Yeah. I picked up a used wood stove off freecycle not long ago, but they can be had for fairly cheap. I'm going to try doing a boiler conversion with the exhaust from it
[12:35:31] <malcom2073> run radiators in the barn to heat it
[12:36:01] <Jymmm> Um, be careful fucking with the exhaust.
[12:36:27] <malcom2073> Oh absolutly, it's not by any means a sealed barn (very vented infact), and I plan on having the requisite co sensors etc nearby
[12:36:28] <Jymmm> You can create a backdraft if you pull too much heat away,
[12:36:45] <Jymmm> and startup can be "rough"
[12:37:17] <malcom2073> Oh I'm not going for like 100% efficiency cold exhaust or anything
[12:37:24] <malcom2073> just looking to get a bit more than convection off the stove housing
[12:37:57] <Jymmm> I'm talking choking to death
[12:38:18] <malcom2073> hence the air quality monitoring
[12:38:29] <Jymmm> that backdraft can get very smelly, even without setting off CO
[12:38:46] <malcom2073> I thought that's what backdraft dampners were for?
[12:39:15] <malcom2073> Prevent it from pulling air in
[12:41:02] <malcom2073> I've seen some people use powered vents to help
[13:04:58] <CaptHindsight> LFTRs in 5 minutes - Thorium Reactors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK367T7h6ZY waiting for these on alibaba
[13:12:16] <_methods> sounds too good to be true............
[13:12:52] <_methods> what's the catch
[13:13:28] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbyr7jZOllI
[13:14:39] <Jymmm> _methods: The same reason the 1,000,000 Mile tire "doesn't exist"
[13:15:31] <Jymmm> desalinate water?!
[13:16:10] <CaptHindsight> _methods: politics, money, the usual
[13:16:31] <Jymmm> what CaptHindsight said
[13:18:42] <CaptHindsight> whosgot the best prices on 16ga/4 shielded cable?
[13:19:31] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I bought mine years ago by the foot at home depot
[13:20:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.wireandcabletogo.com/16-AWG-SOOW/ $0.46/ft for unshielded
[13:24:03] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: you want heavy jacket?
[13:24:35] <CaptHindsight> all types, UV, indoor, super flex, just not solid
[13:27:16] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: 18ga no good?
[13:27:38] <CaptHindsight> depends on the size of the motors
[13:28:52] <Jymmm> I found shielded, 250ft for $204USD
[13:29:08] <Jymmm> https://www.anixter.com/en_us/products/Instrumentation-and-Thermocouple-Cable/p/2AS-1602SPOS
[13:29:16] <CaptHindsight> $0.58/ft for 18 awg 3 pair each shielded / $290/500ft
[13:29:34] <Jymmm> Yeah, 18ga is much easier to source
[13:29:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.wireandcabletogo.com/18-AWG-3-Pair-Computer-Cable-Individually-Foil-Shielded-500ft-or-1000ft-Spool.html
[13:29:53] <Jymmm> thus why I asked =)
[13:30:06] <CaptHindsight> I used to buy from Anixter
[13:31:00] <Jymmm> Eh, http://www.solar-electric.com/4ttwtrca16aw.html
[15:50:16] <Jymmm> Are these 115V wire fed welders worth a damn?
[15:50:35] <Jymmm> (no gas)
[15:59:18] <roycroft> yes to 115v welders
[15:59:22] <roycroft> but not to gasless ones
[16:00:02] <roycroft> no to, rather
[16:09:48] <Sync> http://sync-hv.de/autowagens/cao/crack.jpg zeeshan-lab / PetefromTn_ should I be worried? :D
[16:14:26] <malcom2073> It'll buff out
[16:15:45] <PetefromTn_> looks like some bolts?
[16:16:04] <Sync> with a crack running through them
[16:16:14] <Sync> rear axle brake adapter mounting bolts
[16:16:26] <PetefromTn_> I thought that was a seam LOL
[16:16:28] <Sync> 10.9 high tensile
[16:16:36] <Sync> put dye penetrant on them
[16:16:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah you're screwed
[16:16:39] <Sync> they are cracked
[16:16:57] <Sync> fucking new from the mitsu dealer
[16:17:23] <PetefromTn_> how the hell?
[16:18:37] <Deejay> gn8
[16:18:45] <XXCoder> stress by cooling?
[16:18:53] <XXCoder> dunno as it should not happen
[16:19:56] <Sync> I'm trying to figure out who to contact about that
[16:20:07] <Sync> XXCoder: yes, classic quench cracking
[16:20:18] <XXCoder> contact company you bought it from?
[16:20:35] <Sync> well, I got them from my local mitsu dealer
[16:20:47] <PetefromTn_> Woohoo I just received my new toolholders and inserts for the lathe
[16:20:50] <Sync> and they will have no fucking idea if that is bad
[16:21:15] <XXCoder> just tell em cracks are no-no and you want exchange
[16:21:53] <Sync> sure, but they won't escalate that to engineering
[16:22:35] <PetefromTn_> why would they need to you just need some unbroken bolts
[16:23:14] <XXCoder> that and if they dont have system to check for flaws its their problem not yours
[16:24:24] <Sync> well, sure
[16:24:45] <Sync> but I'd like to at least inform some kind of meaningful place that they are using crappy hardware
[16:24:52] <Sync> although they probably know that already
[16:25:26] <PetefromTn_> Oh and I just received the 24 pin 24v DC to DC power supply for my PC build in the lathe today about a week or so since I ordered it. WAY faster than it was supposed to get here LOL
[16:37:27] <malcom2073> What'd you get, a m2atx?
[16:46:26] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/301047784739?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[16:49:09] <PetefromTn_> it looks pretty good I think
[16:54:39] <malcom2073> Ah nice
[16:55:23] <gonzo_> eve peeps
[16:55:34] <gonzo_> quick hm2 mesa question
[16:56:03] <gonzo_> on the servo outpute. what freq does the pwm run at?
[18:15:27] <_methods> PetefromTn_: what torch you got on your tig rig?
[18:20:11] <PetefromTn_> _methods I use a Weldcraft WP17F flex head air cooled torch
[18:21:12] <Tom_itx> _methods where do i find units??
[18:21:15] <Tom_itx> i forgot :)
[18:23:02] <Tom_itx> nm...
[18:23:43] <_methods> tools document properties
[18:23:44] <_methods> units
[18:23:46] <_methods> i believe
[18:24:11] <Tom_itx> you have to change it for part and drawing separately right?
[18:24:15] <_methods> i gotta get me a torch package, does yours have a gas valve on it PetefromTn_
[18:24:28] <_methods> yes part and drawing are separage
[18:24:32] <_methods> separate even
[18:25:14] <PetefromTn_> _methods well I actually have two, one has the gas valve the other does not.
[18:25:33] <PetefromTn_> I honestly feel it is not necessary and actually can get in the way in tight spots a bit
[18:25:40] <_methods> kk
[18:25:46] <_methods> guess i'll just get the one without
[18:26:09] <PetefromTn_> thats up to you of course
[18:26:16] <_methods> i thought i was gonna get a syncrowave 250 today for $460
[18:26:22] <_methods> but in the last minute it took off
[18:26:27] <_methods> went up to $1200
[18:26:38] <PetefromTn_> but you usually set the gas at the bottle of course
[18:26:58] <PetefromTn_> honestly the only reason I would want one is because they are newer
[18:27:13] <_methods> well for $460 it was a no brainer
[18:27:17] <PetefromTn_> and some of the newer ones have the high freq/pulse features that my machine does not
[18:27:24] <_methods> i could sell that in 30 min flat for $1600
[18:27:31] <PetefromTn_> probably
[18:27:40] <PetefromTn_> there are lots who love the blue
[18:27:48] <_methods> i love green
[18:28:00] <_methods> that's why i have my $400 one lol
[18:28:08] <PetefromTn_> heh I am a fan myself
[18:28:16] <_methods> you keep the blue and i'll keep the green lol
[18:28:19] <PetefromTn_> I must say I have USED a blue and a red before
[18:28:36] <_methods> yeah i don't play for any team
[18:28:38] <PetefromTn_> and I can honestly say that I felt my green was smoother arc
[18:28:43] <_methods> i ain't blood or a crip
[18:29:00] <duc> I play for any team I can get cheap or in trade when it comes to that
[18:29:01] <PetefromTn_> as I understand it L-tec invented heliarc technology
[18:29:06] <_methods> yeah linde
[18:29:08] <duc> In trade
[18:29:38] <_methods> alright i gotta quit yakkin i'm makin some stuff with that pile of straps
[18:29:44] <duc> Linde are descent
[18:29:49] <PetefromTn_> but I will add that I bought my machine mostly because it looked and worked good and was cheap coupled with the fact the guy let me make some payments on it ;)
[18:30:12] <_methods> all excellent reasons
[18:30:21] <PetefromTn_> I am pleased with it
[18:30:30] <PetefromTn_> it has paid for itself many times over now
[18:30:35] <duc> Lol. That works. I may have traded off a gun I got for a steal from work.
[18:30:57] <PetefromTn_> _methods I got some lathe tooling in here today
[18:31:31] <PetefromTn_> and I received my 24pin 24v power supply so we shall see how it works with the DIN rail 24v 240 watt supply I got here.
[18:32:03] <PetefromTn_> after my wife cleaned up the electronics enclosure I was studying things trying to determine where is the best place to put the PC board etc.
[18:33:19] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, is that one of those pico psu supplies?
[18:33:38] <Tom_itx> err, no you went with a different one iirc
[18:33:51] <PetefromTn_> I don't know if it is a pico but it is basically the same exact thing
[18:34:17] <Tom_itx> i've been very happy with em
[18:34:21] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/301047784739?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[18:34:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah well we shall see how it works
[18:34:50] <PetefromTn_> I am pleased that it should make the build easier if nothing else
[18:35:02] <PetefromTn_> one less thing to mount and whatnot
[18:35:09] <Tom_itx> check the V rating on the caps
[18:35:31] <PetefromTn_> for what?
[18:35:44] <Sync> I wish I could get some of the cool single wire torches here
[18:35:47] <Tom_itx> make sure they aren't smaller than the input voltage
[18:36:05] <Tom_itx> + 30% or so
[18:36:09] <Tom_itx> and they'll live longer
[18:36:45] <PetefromTn_> well it is supposed to be 24v up to 200watt capable
[18:36:52] <PetefromTn_> 16-24v actually
[18:38:53] <Tom_itx> which MB did you get?
[18:39:48] <PetefromTn_> the one you linked me to ;)
[18:40:06] <Tom_itx> oh god no!!
[18:40:19] <Tom_itx> :)
[18:40:22] <PetefromTn_> I know right
[18:40:45] <Tom_itx> i've got 2 of em goin in front of me now
[18:41:10] <PetefromTn_> the asrock celerons?
[18:41:24] <Tom_itx> yeah whatever they are.. J1900
[18:41:34] <PetefromTn_> yup
[18:41:48] <PetefromTn_> I like it...I mean it looks pretty in the box hehe
[18:42:17] <Tom_itx> first one i fired up was scattered all over my desk
[18:42:25] <Tom_itx> wires goin everywhere
[18:43:03] <Tom_itx> wart plugged into the psu with kbd, monitor, hdd etc all over
[18:47:06] <PetefromTn_> heh
[18:47:15] <PetefromTn_> I never felt good about doing that
[18:47:30] <PetefromTn_> always wondering if some static shit will pop something important LOL
[18:47:37] <Tom_itx> i've put so man together i don't even think about it much
[18:47:46] <Tom_itx> i'm pretty careful
[18:47:57] <PetefromTn_> I am sure you are
[18:48:06] <PetefromTn_> if I did it shit would blow ;)
[18:49:40] <Sync> get a ground wristband
[18:50:07] <Tom_itx> i got one in the box somewhere...
[18:50:08] <Tom_itx> :)
[18:51:12] <Sync> I use mine almost every day
[18:51:21] <Sync> and all my electronics surfaces are static dissipative
[18:51:59] <Tom_itx> mine is a rubber cutting mat on carpet with a cat sitting nearby
[18:52:18] <Tom_itx> jk on the cat..
[18:52:22] <Denkishi> Any of you crazy folk happen to have worked, or still work, with a Trak DPM with an A.G.E.3 controller?
[18:52:43] <Tom_itx> none of us are not nearly that crazy
[18:53:04] <Denkishi> lol
[18:53:19] <Denkishi> Am I in for a world of pain?
[18:53:22] <tiwake> https://www.dropbox.com/s/l6jwympluwramtd/20151114_001.jpg?dl=0
[18:53:37] <Tom_itx> dunno, not familiar with it
[18:53:53] <tiwake> kinda chattery, but its still a lot better than whoever was making them before
[19:09:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have grounded myself before when working on PC stuff
[19:09:33] <PetefromTn_> tiwake looks decent man did you interpolate the bores or ream or bore them?
[19:12:55] <Tom_itx> how do you draw a sphere in SW?
[19:13:59] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: just drill... its 12L14 steel, so its pretty much the ideal thing to machine
[19:14:22] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: its done in one operation in my C-axis lathe
[19:14:51] <PetefromTn_> really that is surprising
[19:16:09] <zeeshan-lab> Tom_itx: not telling you
[19:16:09] <zeeshan-lab> lol
[19:16:17] <Tom_itx> i have a couple ideas
[19:16:29] <zeeshan-lab> whatcha thinking
[19:16:30] <Tom_itx> draw a cylinder then radius the ends
[19:16:41] <Tom_itx> or cube
[19:16:47] <zeeshan-lab> could work
[19:16:49] <zeeshan-lab> never tried that
[19:16:53] <Tom_itx> what do you do?
[19:17:05] <zeeshan-lab> draw a hemicircle
[19:17:06] <zeeshan-lab> and revolve it
[19:17:09] <PetefromTn_> isn't there a sphere tool?
[19:17:17] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: while that machine is spitting out $6 bills, I'm working on another lesser paying manual job... and chatting online a bit :D
[19:17:17] <zeeshan-lab> silly!!
[19:17:17] <zeeshan-lab> :D
[19:17:18] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, not that i see
[19:17:18] <zeeshan-lab> haha
[19:17:26] <zeeshan-lab> and there is a dome tool
[19:17:26] <Tom_itx> yeah that would work
[19:17:28] <zeeshan-lab> but it is 2 steps
[19:17:34] <zeeshan-lab> revolve is 1
[19:17:43] <PetefromTn_> thats it dome tool
[19:17:54] <tiwake> dome tool?
[19:18:02] <zeeshan-lab> ill dome you Tiwake.
[19:18:15] <PetefromTn_> but yeah draw circle and revolve is much easier
[19:18:20] <tiwake> I'm such a dome tool
[19:18:29] <zeeshan-lab> haha
[19:18:38] <zeeshan-lab> my head is a dome
[19:18:40] <PetefromTn_> tiwake sure is nice when the machine is spitting dollars hehe
[19:18:43] <zeeshan-lab> im going bald :{
[19:19:01] <zeeshan-lab> ive been going bald for 10 years now
[19:19:08] <Tom_itx> i'm helping my kid with his project again
[19:19:16] <PetefromTn_> I broke three freaking 1/8 endmills last night on the same part :D
[19:19:16] <Tom_itx> he's drawing in catia and me in sw
[19:19:23] <Denkishi> Hey zeeshan-lab, you ever mess with Trak CNC bed mills?
[19:19:29] <zeeshan-lab> PetefromTn_: sounds like SS
[19:19:30] <zeeshan-lab> :D
[19:19:34] <PetefromTn_> nope
[19:19:38] <PetefromTn_> 6061
[19:19:41] <zeeshan-lab> wow!!
[19:19:42] <Tom_itx> took apart a jack and need to draw and make an assembly for it
[19:19:44] <PetefromTn_> I know right
[19:19:45] <zeeshan-lab> 2 fluters?
[19:19:51] <PetefromTn_> what a freaking disaster
[19:19:55] <PetefromTn_> no 4
[19:19:56] <tiwake> it happens
[19:20:00] <zeeshan-lab> hm
[19:20:08] <zeeshan-lab> not enough chip evac space i notice with 4 flute
[19:20:08] <PetefromTn_> I THINK I damaged my collet after the first one
[19:20:10] <tiwake> 1/8" endmills are pretty small
[19:20:20] <Tom_itx> 2 flute for alum
[19:20:22] <zeeshan-lab> Denkishi: ive used them
[19:20:24] <Tom_itx> 4 for steel
[19:20:26] <PetefromTn_> I ordered some maritool 3 fluters to replace them
[19:20:29] <PetefromTn_> naah
[19:20:30] <Tom_itx> dat's da law
[19:20:36] <PetefromTn_> no its not
[19:20:47] <zeeshan-lab> i heard that law
[19:20:59] <zeeshan-lab> but it seems to be okay with 4 flute 3/8
[19:21:01] <zeeshan-lab> w/ coolant
[19:21:03] <zeeshan-lab> no coolant = snap
[19:21:10] <zeeshan-lab> chips just weld in there
[19:21:11] <Tom_itx> i don't like 3 because you can't put calipers on em
[19:21:12] <Denkishi> Ever any with the A.G.E. 3 controller? And if so, any issues modern CAD/CAM software working you think?
[19:21:25] <zeeshan-lab> no Denkishi
[19:21:25] <PetefromTn_> every one of these rails is mostly machined with a 3/8 4 flute LOL
[19:21:38] <PetefromTn_> I love 3 fluters
[19:21:59] <Tom_itx> i prefer the tuba
[19:22:07] <PetefromTn_> I have not run them lately because I have had a bunch of 4 flute endmills I got cheap from my friend LOL
[19:22:14] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, does your wife know?
[19:22:36] <PetefromTn_> yup
[19:22:40] <PetefromTn_> shes good with it
[19:31:08] <zeeshan-lab> project manager, did the sphere work out
[19:31:30] <Tom_itx> haven't gotten to that part yet
[19:31:39] <zeeshan-lab> why do you need to make a sphere
[19:31:47] <Tom_itx> i told you above
[19:32:10] <zeeshan-lab> not a good enough reason to make a sphere
[19:32:18] <zeeshan-lab> if youre making a sphere, it better be because you watched the movie the sphere
[19:32:20] <Tom_itx> ball bearings
[19:32:25] <zeeshan-lab> o
[19:32:40] <Tom_itx> check balls
[19:34:19] <Tom_itx> how would you describe a shaft that has a flat smashed on the end of it?
[19:34:34] <zeeshan-lab> like a peened end?
[19:34:38] <Tom_itx> yes
[19:34:42] <zeeshan-lab> peened i guess
[19:34:50] <Tom_itx> to draw it..
[19:35:00] <zeeshan-lab> "Draw a peened end"
[19:35:01] <zeeshan-lab> :D
[19:35:03] <Tom_itx> heh
[19:35:12] <Tom_itx> round shaft flattened so a wrench fits on it
[19:35:18] <zeeshan-lab> oh
[19:35:33] <Tom_itx> but smashed not milled
[19:35:44] <norias> uh. forged?
[19:36:00] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't give china that much credit
[19:36:10] <zeeshan-lab> lol
[19:36:26] <zeeshan-lab> whats wrrong with saying
[19:36:32] <zeeshan-lab> "flatten the end of a cylinder"
[19:36:34] <zeeshan-lab> i think that sounds fine
[19:37:10] <PetefromTn_> I think they are getting a skyline R34 Dspec and a GTR in the shop soon....should be interesting.
[19:37:11] <Denkishi> Because saying the "end" of a cylindar could be confusing
[19:43:12] <zeeshan-lab> nice pete
[19:53:33] <PetefromTn_> man I can't wait to see this lathe run some parts :D
[19:53:44] <zeeshan-lab> how long do you think itll take you to convertit
[19:53:56] <PetefromTn_> hopefully not too long
[19:54:05] <PetefromTn_> my GOAL is to have it running by Christmas
[19:54:09] <zeeshan-lab> wow
[19:54:10] <zeeshan-lab> thats quick!
[19:54:22] <PetefromTn_> but hey I have lots of goals LOL
[19:54:31] <zeeshan-lab> you will achieve it :D
[19:54:39] <PetefromTn_> I will try like hell
[19:54:49] <PetefromTn_> I still need the Z ballscrew and the VFD
[19:54:59] <PetefromTn_> and I need to grab some DB25 cables for the drives
[19:55:25] <PetefromTn_> I got some RX7 engine work coming in that should hopefully help pay for the VFD
[19:57:22] <zeeshan-lab> which ball screw are you thinking of going with
[19:57:47] <PetefromTn_> I would like a 25 or 32mm C5
[19:57:52] <zeeshan-lab> from china?
[19:57:59] <PetefromTn_> hopefully not
[19:58:08] <zeeshan-lab> was so much fing around.. with mylathe
[19:58:26] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[19:58:32] <zeeshan-lab> to get the backlash to go away
[19:58:47] <PetefromTn_> I never had a problem with backlash on my RF45
[19:59:10] <PetefromTn_> I built my own dual ballnut zero backlash setups
[19:59:49] <zeeshan-lab> ah
[20:00:04] <PetefromTn_> they worked pretty good
[20:00:12] <PetefromTn_> and that was with some rolled screws
[20:00:28] <PetefromTn_> machine was reasonably accurate
[20:00:51] <PetefromTn_> why was backlash such an issue on a CNC lathe tho?
[20:02:06] <zeeshan-lab> not sure
[20:02:09] <zeeshan-lab> i think crappy screws
[20:02:23] <PetefromTn_> what screws did you use?
[20:02:52] <zeeshan-lab> linearmotionbearings2008
[20:03:01] <PetefromTn_> huh
[20:03:08] <zeeshan-lab> he has c5 screws
[20:03:09] <zeeshan-lab> 25mm
[20:03:10] <PetefromTn_> I hear mixed reviews on those
[20:03:24] <PetefromTn_> some people say they are great some say they got bent screws etc.
[20:03:35] <zeeshan-lab> mine wasn't bent
[20:03:40] <zeeshan-lab> but they definitely were not zero backlash
[20:03:41] <PetefromTn_> He does? I was under the impression he only sold rolled screws
[20:03:56] <zeeshan-lab> they're ground
[20:04:00] <zeeshan-lab> and hardened
[20:04:10] <zeeshan-lab> hardened and ground :P
[20:04:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah c5 are but all his screws are c7 I think
[20:04:26] <zeeshan-lab> oh im confusing them then
[20:04:51] <PetefromTn_> as I understand it he sells what he calls zero backlash single nut screws
[20:05:03] <PetefromTn_> and he ALSO sells double preloaded zero backlash screws
[20:05:11] <zeeshan-lab> i had bot
[20:05:11] <PetefromTn_> the latter are TRUE zero
[20:05:14] <zeeshan-lab> both
[20:05:30] <zeeshan-lab> the single nut had 0.003 worse case
[20:05:33] <zeeshan-lab> double nut had 0.001
[20:05:39] <zeeshan-lab> the backlash was random
[20:05:47] <zeeshan-lab> some areas it had none, some there was 0.001
[20:05:48] <PetefromTn_> hm
[20:06:03] <PetefromTn_> was the preload adjustable
[20:06:06] <zeeshan-lab> no
[20:06:11] <zeeshan-lab> its a shim between two spacers
[20:06:15] <zeeshan-lab> er
[20:06:17] <zeeshan-lab> betwen two nuts
[20:06:21] <PetefromTn_> a shim?
[20:06:26] <zeeshan-lab> yea a ground shim thing
[20:06:33] <zeeshan-lab> spacer/shim
[20:06:42] <PetefromTn_> how the hell does it compensate for the screw if it is a solid shim?
[20:07:03] <zeeshan-lab> its supposed to preload it
[20:07:22] <zeeshan-lab> im sure after fin'g around with it
[20:07:23] <zeeshan-lab> itll work
[20:07:25] <PetefromTn_> most double preloaded screws use some sort of spring washer or other spring to allow it to float
[20:07:33] <zeeshan-lab> not these ones
[20:07:54] <PetefromTn_> man that sucks
[20:08:18] <PetefromTn_> of course you could just get two of his low backlash nutz and build your own spring loaded zero backlash setup
[20:08:55] <zeeshan-lab> yes
[20:09:15] <zeeshan-lab> does your z axis already have the nut
[20:09:36] <PetefromTn_> it can be as simple as two nutz on each side of the mount one is screwed down with belleville washers etc.
[20:09:45] <PetefromTn_> there is no Z screw whatsoever
[20:09:50] <PetefromTn_> just mounts
[20:10:08] <PetefromTn_> the X axis is there and complete
[20:10:54] <zeeshan-lab> sweet
[20:10:58] <zeeshan-lab> did you see what brand screw it is
[20:11:11] <PetefromTn_> no I did not feel like taking it apart
[20:11:27] <PetefromTn_> it feels real good tho
[20:11:34] <zeeshan-lab> did you measure backlash?
[20:11:42] <PetefromTn_> yeah there is basically none
[20:11:45] <zeeshan-lab> nice
[20:11:52] <zeeshan-lab> thats the screw that actually matters :D
[20:12:00] <PetefromTn_> but that is with my hands turning the screw
[20:12:06] <PetefromTn_> I do not have a motor on it yet
[20:12:20] <zeeshan-lab> you can usually pull on the carriage
[20:12:21] <zeeshan-lab> or push on it
[20:12:22] <zeeshan-lab> to check
[20:12:27] <PetefromTn_> hard to gauge how much you actually turned it
[20:12:35] <PetefromTn_> sure
[20:56:42] <PetefromTn_> open to hearing reasonably priced sources for ballscrews :D
[21:10:43] <duc> How big?
[21:12:53] <PetefromTn_> 25 or 32 mm
[21:13:04] <PetefromTn_> about 1200mm long
[21:13:15] <PetefromTn_> zero backlash double ballnut
[21:13:55] <duc> I can ask some coworkers tomorrow.
[21:14:03] <PetefromTn_> ok thanks
[21:14:59] <malcom2073> Look at bridgeport conversion screws, hiwin has some kits that have screws about that sized
[21:15:36] <PetefromTn_> really? that is pretty long screw
[21:16:23] <malcom2073> My dad just got one cheap off a guy for his lathe conversion, it's like 48" end to end
[21:17:24] <malcom2073> I know a guy that has a 1800mm, might have a pair, unsure
[21:17:29] <malcom2073> 35mm
[21:17:59] <malcom2073> You looking new or used?
[21:18:04] <PetefromTn_> are you in UK?
[21:18:12] <malcom2073> Nope, USA
[21:18:21] <PetefromTn_> hm
[22:49:36] <Tom_itx> does SW have a command to mate an assembly from exploded view?
[22:49:48] <Tom_itx> ie move the parts to their assembled positions
[23:38:53] <Jymmm> Heh, found the PERFECT firewood holder!