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[00:37:37] <dgmurdockiii> hey guys is it a music for cnc software to have the num pad
[00:37:49] <XXCoder> music?
[00:38:05] <dgmurdockiii> must i ment not music
[00:38:35] <XXCoder> number pad nummo but it is nice to have arrow buttons for manual control
[00:38:52] <XXCoder> and if I recall right, page up and down for z
[00:39:54] <dgmurdockiii> ok
[00:41:16] <dgmurdockiii> so a tenkeyless keyboard would work
[00:42:08] <Jymmm> But an external numpad works great as a pseudo pendant
[00:42:23] <Jymmm> especially on a 20ft cord =)
[00:42:25] <XXCoder> good tip
[00:42:33] <XXCoder> can always buy extension usb
[01:02:49] <Jymmm> In regards to impregnating epoxy into wood... I understand the function of a vacuum chamber in this respect, but what about a pressure pot?
[01:04:12] <Jymmm> Seems to me to be the inverse, sorta kinda. Is it "pushing" material into the wood instead of the wood "sucking" it in?
[01:09:29] <MrSunshine> Jymmm: you suck out the air to make room for the epoxy, with a preasurepot you would just compress the air and when preasure releases the air would push it out again ? =)
[01:10:10] <MrSunshine> and when you release the vacuum it essentialy becomes a preasurepot, as the ambient air preasure will want to get in, but epoxy is in the way pushing it into the wood? =)
[01:10:19] <Jymmm> no clue, thats what I'm asking.
[01:10:34] <MrSunshine> my thoughts about it atleast
[01:10:41] <MrSunshine> you got to remove something to add something
[01:10:51] <MrSunshine> and it seems to be alot of air in wood =)
[02:17:32] <Deejay> moin
[02:54:41] <anomynous> Deejay: hello
[03:03:25] <Deejay> hi anomynous
[03:24:17] <chuckbob> Looking for some input for a hobbyist. Within $1000, what are some good options for a CAM program that can import stl and rhino files
[03:24:25] <chuckbob> and is somewhat intuitive
[03:25:02] <XXCoder> hey
[03:25:11] <XXCoder> good question
[03:25:18] <MrSunshine> wihtin $0 you got a great cad/cam =)
[03:25:20] <MrSunshine> fusion 360
[03:25:29] <MrSunshine> free for hobbyists/small companies .. =)
[03:26:05] <chuckbob> will fusion import from rhino3d?
[03:26:11] <MrSunshine> ah .. that i dont know :P
[03:26:11] <MrSunshine> hehe
[03:26:23] <chuckbob> didn't realize you could get the cam portion of it for free
[03:26:49] <MrSunshine> it imports stp files so export it as that ? =)
[03:27:13] <MrSunshine> chuckbob: atleast the 3 axis .. dont know about 5 axis (i think that is in the works)
[03:28:01] <MrSunshine> What is a 3dm file and how do I open a 3dm file?
[03:28:01] <MrSunshine> The 3DM file extension is an open source 3D model format that allows CAD, CAM, CAE, and computer graphics software to accurately save and exchange 3D geometry using both NURBS and polygon mesh representations. 3DM is used as the native file format for Rhinoceros.
[03:28:01] <MrSunshine> Looking for how to open 3dm files? Checkout
http://www.openthefile.net/extension/3dm
[03:28:03] <MrSunshine> ops
[03:28:38] <MrSunshine> so might work =)
[03:29:23] <anomynous> i think geomagic is about $1000 but then you need a cam too ;)
[03:30:02] <chuckbob> I have rhino3d, just really need cam
[03:30:03] <MrSunshine> ive been using fusion more and more and i think its awesome
[03:30:04] <anomynous> sprutcam has an addon so you could use it from within geomagic... iirc
[03:30:10] <MrSunshine> using vectric aspire for artistic work tho =)
[03:30:16] <XXCoder> I do like freecad, but no idea if it can export to any cam use
[03:30:20] <JesusAlos> hi
[03:30:28] <XXCoder> it does also have cam features but I got no idea how to use that,.
[03:31:44] <anomynous> chuckbob: gcode is easy too, if you need only 2.5d. Just slower than cam. And you need to know it anyway.
[03:31:52] <chuckbob> downloading fusion 360
[03:32:12] <chuckbob> I do know some gcode, just like the visual piece
[03:32:21] <anomynous> okay
[03:32:55] <anomynous> try fusion, then. It has editable post processors too. Sprutcam comes with a post editor, i thikn
[03:33:24] <chuckbob> honestly, most of what I do could be done in cut2d
[03:33:38] <XXCoder> is cut2d free or?
[03:33:48] <chuckbob> no
[03:35:12] <XXCoder> ok
[03:36:17] <anomynous> is there a cheap gcode editing thing with stack trace? ;D a notepad++ plugin or something like that
[03:36:35] <XXCoder> at work I use predator but dunno pricing
[03:36:45] <archivist> what has a stack trace got to do with gcode
[03:37:03] <anomynous> well, if you use like variables and loops and macros
[03:37:06] <anomynous> ;D
[03:37:07] <XXCoder> light version is free apparently
[03:37:18] <archivist> I do use loops
[03:38:28] <XXCoder> predator is not linux friendly
[03:39:54] <anomynous> snippets would be nice too, sometimes. The control i use is just infernal to do anything with. ;D
[03:41:27] <XXCoder> http://www.hsmworks.com/ maybe
[03:43:05] <anomynous> have gibbscam but use cam for doing a bolt circle, or something like that?
[03:49:42] <archivist> bolt circles are easy on a rotary :)
[03:51:29] <XXCoder> gibbscam shows picture of antique pc lol
[03:53:14] <chuckbob> lol
[03:57:20] <XXCoder> antipritate stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oSL_x-TKnvM kik
[03:57:41] <XXCoder> if youre olike me you probably cant watch it for more than couple seconds.
[04:00:17] <chuckbob> so, fusion360 you can't import drawings from anywhere?
[04:17:14] <XXCoder> trying heekscnc now
[04:17:19] <XXCoder> chuckbob: might work and its free
[04:17:39] <chuckbob> I will give it a look
[04:17:42] <chuckbob> looking at cambam right now
[04:18:00] <XXCoder> cambam kept crashing in windows. dunno if has any linux version
[04:23:23] <XXCoder> glitchy now
[04:23:32] <XXCoder> heekscad dont seem to work well
[04:23:50] <XXCoder> honestly freecad is best of them all
[04:23:56] <XXCoder> its just that cam isnt well done there
[04:26:20] <chuckbob> that's too bad.. all I am really looking for is cam
[04:26:35] <XXCoder> I'm still looking for it too
[04:26:47] <XXCoder> using linux just makes it much harder.
[04:27:06] <chuckbob> I am using a windows machine, so there are choices
[04:27:39] <anomynous> archivist: i dont even have = key on the control, nor all the letters. If I make a mistake in a macro, I have to go back to programming room to edit and re-transfer. Stack trace is useful if machine control is of that level that it can only execute gcode and punch in words one by one. Not even copy-paste.
[04:28:50] <archivist> anomynous, in here I assume linuxcnc, what stack trace
[04:32:36] <anomynous> one hour ago
[04:32:51] <anomynous> about
[04:33:23] <archivist> yes but there is no stack trace from gcode
[04:33:24] <anomynous> yeah... thats why i said why i'd want it. ;)
[04:33:51] <anomynous> well, there is. Level one is main program, and macro calls add ;D
[04:34:53] <archivist> done confuse the concept of subroutines and stacks with the debugging facility of a stack trace
[04:34:56] <archivist> dont
[04:35:03] <anomynous> ok ;D
[04:35:18] <anomynous> macro calls do have their own locals
[04:35:41] <anomynous> subroutines do not
[04:40:42] <archivist> are you reading from some other system rather than linuxcnc
[04:43:24] <XXCoder> uhoh tried pocket with zero diameter tool
[04:43:30] <XXCoder> dont think it will work lol
[04:45:57] <anomynous> archivist: the only one i can somehow use ;D dont take it too seriously
[04:47:49] <XXCoder> hmm chuckbob
http://ecam.altervista.org/
[04:50:39] <XXCoder> gsample is 6 years old lol guess dead
[04:52:55] <anomynous> echoes of altavista
[05:06:42] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[06:27:33] <jthornton> morning
[07:53:54] <jthornton> I just spent 30 minutes trouble shooting my wheezy network connection only to find out I had the cable plugged into the wrong place on the computer lol
[08:47:03] <_methods> hahah
[08:51:46] <Sync> zeeshan: installing the galant EA dual piston calipers in the colt
[08:51:59] <Sync> hopefully that improves the braking :D
[08:55:08] <archivist> or faster fading
[10:15:35] <zeeshan> :]
[10:15:57] <zeeshan> Sync: im translating japanese rx7 manual to english :[
[10:21:00] <Loetmichel> bah. fritzbox router... every config change triggers a reconnect... lets see if the sky+ wifi reciver works NOW...
[11:33:41] <Tom_itx> aarg i keep getting a zero thickness error when trying to extrude a shape in SW
[11:33:55] <Tom_itx> it previews fine
[11:34:42] <zeeshan> incomplete coincidence between 2 lines
[11:34:45] <zeeshan> very small amount
[11:34:55] <Tom_itx> it shows everything connected
[11:34:55] <zeeshan> theyre prolly 0.0001 away
[11:35:07] <Tom_itx> 'conect the dots'
[11:35:56] <Jymmm> http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/11/13/montana-highway-patrol-multiple-car-wrecks-vstan-orig.cnn
[11:40:03] <PetefromTn_> HOLY CRAP
[11:41:30] <zeeshan> man the world we as we know it is sick..
[11:41:42] <zeeshan> i wanna move into complete isolation :/
[11:42:27] <CaptHindsight> but but but I had to get home to watch Dancing with the Stars
[11:42:48] <zeeshan> lol
[11:43:00] <zeeshan> like this isis scum
[11:43:13] <zeeshan> and then robbers in brazil who were robbing a place, and a stray billet killed an 18 year old girl
[11:43:38] <CaptHindsight> I had a 70 yo man throw a tantrum behind me last week since I didn't want to pull up a block traffic so he could cut through a parking lot to skip a light
[11:43:48] <CaptHindsight> a/to
[11:44:20] <CaptHindsight> he later passed me and tried to get me to run into him by braking in front of me
[11:44:47] <CaptHindsight> people are impatient and rarely ever grow up
[11:45:52] <zeeshan> i can deal with that
[11:46:01] <zeeshan> but i can't deal with people randomly shooting others
[11:46:20] <zeeshan> you don't need to see much videos on liveleak to feel sick to your stomach
[11:46:24] <zeeshan> to see the kind of crap that goes on
[11:46:26] <zeeshan> i mean you'
[11:46:29] <zeeshan> i mean imagine this, you
[11:46:31] <zeeshan> you
[11:46:56] <zeeshan> wow spacebar. imagine you're walking down the street just to pick up some end mill cutters or a book or something. or shit even doing groceries
[11:47:02] <zeeshan> and you randomly die by a bullet
[11:47:11] <zeeshan> and you're only 18.
[11:47:14] <CaptHindsight> but but but I need my shootin irons to protect myself, don't take those away
[11:47:19] <zeeshan> or 25. or newly married at 31.
[11:47:55] <CaptHindsight> current culture teaches people to only respect money, those with money or fame
[11:48:11] <CaptHindsight> the average person is meaningless
[11:48:18] <CaptHindsight> since they are treated that way
[11:49:31] <CaptHindsight> sure it's messed up but how do you fix it and who is willing to be part of changing things
[11:50:49] <CaptHindsight> bbl have to go on facebook, twitter and catch on my TMZ watching
[11:50:55] <zeeshan> lol
[11:51:13] <zeeshan> it's unfixable
[11:51:26] <zeeshan> best to live in isolation and be self sufficient :)
[11:51:45] <zeeshan> like les stroud
[11:52:00] <CaptHindsight> oh so you're "anti-social"? lol
[11:52:36] <zeeshan> no more antisocial than facebook is :P
[11:53:33] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight You are damned right I need my guns to protect myself and my family beleive it
[11:53:48] <zeeshan> thats the thing pete
[11:53:51] <zeeshan> youre not going to protect anything
[11:53:57] <zeeshan> when you're hit by a completely random bullet
[11:53:59] <zeeshan> by some lunatic.
[11:54:06] <zeeshan> you won't have time to react!!
[11:54:08] <PetefromTn_> yeah thanks I will take my chances
[11:54:31] <t12> yeah theyre not a defensive tool
[11:54:33] <PetefromTn_> people EVERY DAY protect themselves and thier families with guns
[11:54:40] <zeeshan> i'm not saying guns can protect you
[11:54:41] <t12> however when faced with someone you want to leave
[11:54:45] <zeeshan> im saying guns are the wrong tool for defence
[11:54:46] <zeeshan> in that scenario
[11:54:48] <t12> they leave inmediately if unarmed
[11:54:49] <zeeshan> no gun is going to stop that.
[11:55:03] <zeeshan> unless you had a bullet recognition system on you on all times
[11:55:09] <zeeshan> which detected a bullet and deflected it
[11:55:33] <zeeshan> [12:30:31] <zeeshan> i'm not saying guns can protect you < can't i mean
[11:55:40] <PetefromTn_> oh so all these politicians and executives don't need guns then to protect themselves...
[11:56:11] <t12> was re fienstein concealed carrh
[11:56:15] <t12> carry
[11:56:29] <zeeshan> john f kennedy is a prime example.
[11:56:31] <PetefromTn_> what utter BS
[11:56:35] <zeeshan> he had all the guns in the world protecting him
[11:56:38] <zeeshan> guess what, he died from a stray bullet.
[11:56:45] <PetefromTn_> STRAY?
[11:56:49] <t12> lol
[11:57:03] <zeeshan> by stray, i mean a bullet that no one saw coming.
[11:57:18] <PetefromTn_> oh so everyone SEES bullets coming then?
[11:57:37] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: don't argue
[11:57:41] <zeeshan> its a pointless arguement
[11:57:44] <PetefromTn_> Tell you what man.. you live without guns or means of protecting yourself
[11:57:49] <zeeshan> wtf man
[11:57:50] <PetefromTn_> I will keep mine here
[11:57:58] <zeeshan> ill have all my guns , never will give em up
[11:58:00] <PetefromTn_> you are the one with the pointless argument
[11:58:20] <zeeshan> but don't be oblivious to think that you can protect yourself with your "guns" when someone shoots you from behind
[11:58:24] <zeeshan> and you didn't even see it coming.
[11:58:38] <zeeshan> if they missed, you have a good chance of surviving
[11:58:39] <PetefromTn_> just this past week there was a teenager in Chattanooga at home in a nice neighborhood
[11:58:56] <PetefromTn_> a couple thugs pulled into the driveway randomly
[11:59:06] <CaptHindsight> I wish shootin irons would protect people from propaganda
[11:59:06] <t12> thats not really the case they help with
[11:59:07] <PetefromTn_> and ran around back and broke into the house
[11:59:18] <PetefromTn_> kid was ALONE at home
[11:59:24] <zeeshan> tehres already a warning sign for that situation
[11:59:25] <zeeshan> windows breaking
[11:59:26] <PetefromTn_> he ran upstairs and got his mothers pistol
[11:59:30] <zeeshan> or door breaking
[11:59:40] <PetefromTn_> and shot at the both of them
[11:59:44] <zeeshan> guns are great in that situation
[11:59:45] <PetefromTn_> they ran
[11:59:59] <PetefromTn_> one later died at the hospital the other is in jail now
[12:00:04] <zeeshan> good
[12:00:17] <zeeshan> the people in france were in a concert.
[12:00:25] <PetefromTn_> so yeah you can have my guns when you pry them from my fucking cold dead hands...
[12:00:30] <zeeshan> tell me how your gun could save you there?
[12:01:14] <PetefromTn_> I will say that IF Paris was not completely disarming their populace SOMEONE might have been able to fire back at the cowards
[12:01:29] <PetefromTn_> instead they were completely defenseless
[12:01:35] <zeeshan> instead of 138+ dead
[12:01:39] <zeeshan> it would have been 38 dead
[12:01:39] <PetefromTn_> and they all died like lambs to the slaughter
[12:01:43] <zeeshan> or maybe even 12.
[12:01:46] <CaptHindsight> what if we arm all school children while in class, you just had em out when they come in and collect them on the way out
[12:01:52] <zeeshan> but there woulda been dead
[12:02:10] <PetefromTn_> Its funny
[12:02:11] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: kids are unstable
[12:02:16] <zeeshan> you'd see them shooting each other even more!
[12:02:27] <zeeshan> especially during teen years
[12:02:39] <CaptHindsight> so if kids never grow up and hit 30, 40, 70 etc
[12:02:43] <zeeshan> guns are needed
[12:02:49] <PetefromTn_> my whole family is being trained to use the guns we have
[12:02:53] <PetefromTn_> INCLUDING my kids
[12:02:59] <zeeshan> but i dont think they're the complete solution to get rid of this isis filth
[12:03:13] <PetefromTn_> we will never get rid of this ISIS filth
[12:03:24] <zeeshan> as long as that filth is around
[12:03:26] <PetefromTn_> because our President cannot even say their freaking name
[12:03:35] <zeeshan> you and me and our families are at risk of dieing
[12:03:36] <zeeshan> randomly
[12:03:38] <PetefromTn_> and there are far too many countries enabling them
[12:03:41] <zeeshan> and there's nothing we can do about it :(
[12:04:05] <PetefromTn_> they just dropped off like 10k syrian refugees in southern US apparently
[12:04:31] <PetefromTn_> so it won't be long before we see attacks like this in Paris increasing here
[12:05:07] <t12> its ok the us has that covered with drunk drivers and parades
[12:05:09] <TMA> in Europe, the Chattanooga teenager would be in jail for murder and attempted murder, his mother would be in jail for not securing her gun so that the teenager could not get his hands on them
[12:05:20] <t12> by covered i mean the death rate
[12:05:35] <PetefromTn_> TMA probably and how ridiculous is that?
[12:06:00] <PetefromTn_> ya know what really baffles me?
[12:06:10] <PetefromTn_> Paris has had SEVERAL recent attacks
[12:06:10] <TMA> PetefromTn_: I thing your president wants such a gun control too, right?
[12:06:25] <PetefromTn_> and they KNOW that there are going to be more
[12:06:42] <PetefromTn_> How come they did nothing to protect the soft targets like a MAJOR Soccer stadium?
[12:06:50] <PetefromTn_> TMA he would LOVE to
[12:07:12] <t12> its pretty impossible to defend against individuals willing to die/suicide bomber
[12:07:36] <PetefromTn_> I must say that if these idiots ever actually try to ban weapons there WILL be a major armed revolt in our country...
[12:07:47] <PetefromTn_> t12 I agree that is the case
[12:08:14] <PetefromTn_> but how did they manage to get into a stadium or concert hall with bomb belts and kalashnikov rifles?
[12:08:43] <PetefromTn_> Its not like those are heavily concealable weapons?
[12:08:49] <TMA> PetefromTn_: ban? there is no need to ban weapons. just make the bureaucracy onerous enough and the result would be the same as ban
[12:08:57] <t12> getting through security in any large public crowd is easy
[12:08:57] <zeeshan> im worried aboutt he 100k syrian refugges up here
[12:09:03] <zeeshan> that they're trying to bring -- liberatards
[12:09:07] <PetefromTn_> t12 that is the problem
[12:09:09] <t12> doing it in an airport is kinda harder
[12:09:48] <t12> however having every mass gathering have that level if security doesnt work
[12:09:56] <PetefromTn_> Its only hard because people have not woken up to the fact that to make things safer people will just have to deal with some slow downs at gates and searches etc.
[12:10:04] <PetefromTn_> sure it does
[12:10:15] <t12> in fact it makes the economic attrition part of terrorism more attractive
[12:10:29] <gonzo_nb> because in france, having searches and metal detectors going into venues would be considered too mich of an intrusion to liberty
[12:10:34] <t12> you blow up a few cheap guys
[12:10:41] <t12> country spends billions on defense
[12:10:44] <PetefromTn_> I'll take some economic hardships over hundreds of dead innocents every time
[12:10:46] <t12> everyone scared all the tine
[12:10:50] <CaptHindsight> whats the core problem? doesn't his go back several decades and also several hundred years?
[12:10:58] <CaptHindsight> his/this
[12:11:01] <t12> thats not a sustainablr position
[12:11:09] <PetefromTn_> sure it is
[12:11:24] <zeeshan> gonzo_nb: no metal detector woulda savedf em
[12:11:29] <zeeshan> those guys walked in shooting everyone.
[12:11:41] <PetefromTn_> you just said it...they WALKED IN
[12:11:55] <gonzo_nb> did they. not kept up with the news
[12:12:04] <PetefromTn_> apparenlty one of the security guards actually found one of them and he blew himslef up
[12:12:30] <PetefromTn_> NO amount of security will stop every threat
[12:12:39] <PetefromTn_> but the reality is our security is laughable
[12:12:58] <TMA> unfortunately yes, it is easier to kill than to prevent killing
[12:13:05] <gonzo_nb> can't see what sort of civilian securuty could stand up against someone walking in spraying 7.62x39
[12:13:08] <Roguish> guys, if someone is committed and intelligent, they can do pretty much anything, anywhere, anytime.........
[12:13:18] <PetefromTn_> and we need to wake up to the fact that people are out there that want to KILL innocents. I for one would welcome some more security especially in major sporting events etc...
[12:13:51] <PetefromTn_> Roguish I agree but does that mean we should not try to stop em?
[12:15:10] <PetefromTn_> we recently had a couple extremists try to kill some folks who made cartoons of the prophet mohammed in Texas. They KNEW there would probably be a threat and the security killed them...
[12:15:21] <Roguish> of course we should try to stop the 'wackos', but it's really hard most of the time. the exception might be the extreme of North Korea. even Russia has 'terrorist acts'.....and China, too.
[12:15:32] <zeeshan> i dunno about you guys
[12:15:42] <zeeshan> but if you can hurt another human being to the point of death
[12:15:42] <PetefromTn_> fact is we KNOW there is a threat now...its not IF its coming it's when...
[12:15:53] <zeeshan> you are no longer a human being
[12:15:59] <zeeshan> you've lost all sense of morality
[12:16:05] <TMA> Roguish: fortunately, the intelligent ones are rarely the murderous ones
[12:16:07] <gonzo_nb> till recently, in the uk, the main threat was the IRA. but on the whole, those in there with any brains, would not risk their own skins. So we were often saved by the stupidity of the people actually deploying the bombs
[12:16:17] <t12> better to adress the structural problems than go auto immune disorder on security
[12:16:22] <CaptHindsight> you're discussing how to solve a problem created long ago, mainly by religion
[12:16:24] <zeeshan> i think us homeland has done a great job
[12:16:36] <zeeshan> its solely cause of them that the attacks in usa has decreased
[12:16:55] <gonzo_nb> having inteligent peopole being convinced to blow themselves up , changes everything
[12:16:59] <t12> isis is more or less power vacuum side effect post iraq/afganistan
[12:17:14] <PetefromTn_> I disagree with that
[12:17:30] <CaptHindsight> t12: and they knew that back in 01'
[12:17:36] <t12> im actually with putin on this, its better to have a total asshole in charge there abd to politically control them
[12:17:51] <t12> then to have a power vacuum or civil war
[12:18:02] <TMA> zeeshan: there is an easy (and "moral") way out -- if you do not consider your targets human, there is no moral dilemma :(
[12:18:06] <PetefromTn_> the whole idea of a Caliphate and the rise of this is something that has been in their religion for long before the iran/iraq conflict
[12:18:21] <zeeshan> lol
[12:18:32] <t12> the religious justifications are always excuses for other stuff
[12:18:52] <zeeshan> its sickening people use religion as a justification
[12:18:55] <zeeshan> for mass killings..
[12:19:11] <zeeshan> some people just wanna fucking cnc their lathe okay?
[12:19:19] <zeeshan> not die cause they're not super religious
[12:19:25] <zeeshan> :(
[12:19:35] <gonzo_nb> isn't cnca religieon?/
[12:19:42] <t12> like say boko haran
[12:19:44] <CaptHindsight> but but but you should kill the unbeliever
[12:19:45] <t12> haram
[12:19:57] <CaptHindsight> haven't you read the Koran?
[12:20:01] <PetefromTn_> that is pretty much exactly what it says
[12:20:04] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i have
[12:20:04] <t12> really its just people playing armed takeover
[12:20:09] <zeeshan> gotta read it in contect
[12:20:10] <PetefromTn_> in more than several places
[12:20:11] <zeeshan> not just one line
[12:20:14] <zeeshan> it's during war
[12:20:26] <CaptHindsight> yeah out of context
[12:20:42] <zeeshan> seriously, if you read one line, it sounds like it's saying kill all non believers
[12:20:44] <Roguish> t12: the entire middle east is f'd up by the europeans in the 1800's and early 1900's. all the colonialism is coming home to roost. France, UK, and the rest, including us,(US) messed up a whole lot by creating artificial countries and supporting certain groups. there is plenty of blame to go around. the Atlantic is our best insulation.
[12:20:51] <CaptHindsight> just like out of text bible passages used to start wars
[12:21:16] <zeeshan> but if you read the entire chapter, its talking about if you're being attacked for your religion
[12:21:17] <CaptHindsight> too bad we still have invisible angry men in the sky running things
[12:21:31] <zeeshan> the people you can only trust are your own religious mates, and you must kill all non believers
[12:21:35] <zeeshan> because they'll come try to kill you
[12:22:01] <zeeshan> do these morons are like "westernization is like being attacked for your religion"
[12:22:05] <zeeshan> "so lets kill all non believers"
[12:22:06] <zeeshan> hahahahaha
[12:22:11] <zeeshan> what a joke
[12:22:18] <t12> ya
[12:22:18] <Roguish> the religious aspect is interesting. remember that Christians, Jews, and Muslims are all 'sons of Abraham'
[12:22:32] <zeeshan> roguish yes all abrahamic religions
[12:23:18] <Roguish> yet they slaughter each other in the name of their own sect. what a concept.
[12:24:25] <PetefromTn_> lets face it people slaughter each other for plenty of reasons that have nothing to do with religion.
[12:24:34] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: exactly!!!
[12:24:40] <zeeshan> like the bank robbers
[12:24:40] <CaptHindsight> it works well to control the little people
[12:24:47] <zeeshan> that killed that poor 18-19 year old girl! :(
[12:24:50] <zeeshan> she was hot as hell too.
[12:25:05] <Roguish> in the end, it's a power issue. and wealth and privilege come with the power. those without, want, those with don't want to give up or share.
[12:25:05] <zeeshan> she's sitting there, waiting to get to the bank teller
[12:25:22] <zeeshan> and then gets shot in the neck, tries to hold herself from bleeding, dies in her own pool of blood
[12:25:32] <zeeshan> all because of some scumbag bank robber shooting everything
[12:25:41] <PetefromTn_> yup
[12:25:43] <zeeshan> no religion was involved in there.
[12:25:57] <zeeshan> just humans that don't value life
[12:26:02] <zeeshan> my brother is a prison guard
[12:26:10] <PetefromTn_> but unless you are able to remove guns from EVERY SINGLE HUMAN I will choose to remain armed
[12:26:14] <zeeshan> and the stories he tells me of the shit he sees on a regular basis
[12:26:25] <zeeshan> makes you question, why we even have a jail system
[12:26:32] <CaptHindsight> I grew up in large cities and travel to even bigger ones now..
[12:26:44] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: no way man
[12:26:46] <zeeshan> if guns were gone
[12:26:51] <zeeshan> people will be beheading people!
[12:26:55] <zeeshan> they'll find another means.
[12:26:58] <CaptHindsight> there is something that goes in in rural areas to fuel fear
[12:26:59] <PetefromTn_> you mean like they are now?
[12:27:01] <zeeshan> sick people will always find a way
[12:27:04] <CaptHindsight> in/on
[12:27:14] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight BULLSHIT
[12:27:17] <t12> well
[12:27:18] <CaptHindsight> heh
[12:27:30] <t12> in rural places there really ia less chance of someone else coming to help
[12:27:32] <PetefromTn_> I have lived in large cities and I have lived in small towns
[12:27:38] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: you're like 6' 5" and 250lbs and in so much fear
[12:27:41] <PetefromTn_> there are shitheads in both aplenty
[12:27:48] <CaptHindsight> it's sad to me
[12:27:50] <t12> in sf if theres gunfire cops appear in about 2 min
[12:27:54] <PetefromTn_> I am in no more fear than anyone else
[12:28:21] <t12> its likely faster to out rounds in the air than call 911
[12:28:22] <CaptHindsight> maybe if traveled more
[12:28:28] <PetefromTn_> I am just smart enough to understand that IF some asshole tries to break into my house by the time the authorities arrive it will be far too late
[12:28:44] <PetefromTn_> I have traveled around the world man
[12:28:49] <PetefromTn_> where have you traveled?
[12:29:01] <PetefromTn_> I have been to third world countries
[12:29:08] <PetefromTn_> some of the worst shit holes in the world
[12:29:14] <zeeshan> ive been to all of syria
[12:29:16] <zeeshan> and jordan
[12:29:19] <zeeshan> and lebanon etc
[12:29:24] <zeeshan> before they were shit holes
[12:29:34] <zeeshan> petra is an amazing place to go!
[12:29:39] <zeeshan> syria had some awesome food
[12:29:39] <TMA> was
[12:29:49] <zeeshan> was, you are correct
[12:29:52] <zeeshan> how sad that is.
[12:29:52] <zeeshan> :(
[12:30:57] <archivist> I lived in Libya for a few years in the 1960's
[12:31:13] <zeeshan> archivist: how old are you!!!
[12:31:14] <zeeshan> 1960s! :D
[12:31:33] <archivist> old enough, dont be cheeky to your elders!
[12:32:05] <PetefromTn_> I think because my name here is fromTn people think I am some kind of hillbilly hick that never leaves his house LOL
[12:32:18] <archivist> we do
[12:32:35] <PetefromTn_> Funny thing is I am actually NOT from Tn
[12:32:45] <PetefromTn_> I just live here....temporarily ;)
[12:33:41] <Roguish> i'm going out to the shop and fire up my mill to make something..................................................................................................
[12:35:20] <archivist> I am scanning images older than me
[12:35:36] <PetefromTn_> how old are you?
[12:36:14] <archivist> circa 52
[12:38:26] <zeeshan> hehe
[12:41:30] <zeeshan|2> lag
[12:43:23] <archivist> oops forgot to bid on a toy
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361425318925
[12:43:49] <zeeshan|2> jeez that went cheap
[12:44:20] <archivist> yup...grrrr
[12:44:25] <zeeshan|2> archivist: you have good taste on tools
[12:44:25] <zeeshan|2> :)
[12:44:36] <zeeshan|2> and find some smoking deals
[12:45:06] <archivist> persistence in browsing
[12:45:19] <archivist> and nothing better to do
[12:45:20] <zeeshan|2> you always send me the 150 quid ads
[12:45:27] <zeeshan|2> and keep the 25 quid ones for you
[12:45:32] <zeeshan|2> :)
[12:45:59] <archivist> I cannot afford the £150
[12:46:04] <zeeshan|2> nor car!
[12:46:05] <zeeshan|2> *can i
[12:48:28] <maxcnc> hi all
[12:48:30] <hsm> hi
[13:00:55] <zeeshan|2> what is a good place to post a pdf
[13:01:00] <zeeshan|2> and itll stay stored there for a very long time
[13:01:05] <zeeshan|2> like a 5years+
[13:01:28] <archivist> your own site
[13:01:52] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[13:07:20] <archivist> time you did have a cnc section instead of random free hosting
[13:10:52] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 put it on my server
[13:11:17] <zeeshan|2> tom this is car stuff
[13:11:21] <zeeshan|2> you'll get overloaded
[13:11:32] <Tom_itx> by who?
[13:11:36] <zeeshan|2> car people
[13:11:39] <zeeshan|2> not many have this manual
[13:11:52] <Tom_itx> not many would know where to find it either
[13:12:08] <Tom_itx> unless someone told them
[13:12:44] <Tom_itx> i'd be ok with it
[13:13:04] <zeeshan|2> i am posting it on a forum
[13:13:05] <zeeshan|2> haha
[13:15:32] <maxcnc> Hi JesusAlos Anotherone on my list to say greatings
[13:15:37] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/ImIkPnH.png
[13:15:38] <zeeshan|2> FINALLYU
[13:15:40] <zeeshan|2> i have this diagram!
[13:16:04] <zeeshan|2> its really all you need to model the body
[13:16:40] <maxcnc> JesusAlos: i got a list from Lothar IchGucksLive to say helow he is in good shape on a open people day ive visited the projekt he is on
[13:18:49] <JesusAlos> maxcnc: That's fantastic, I'm sure he is enjoying his retired.
[13:19:09] <maxcnc> yes he is
[13:20:27] <CaptHindsight> PeteFromSacramento :)
[13:22:20] <CaptHindsight> who sells small quantities of 304 Stainless Steel Perforated Sheet besides McMaster Carr?
[13:22:33] <CaptHindsight> for instance
http://www.mcmaster.com/#9358t53/=ztnv75
[13:22:54] <roycroft> your local metal yard?
[13:23:18] <CaptHindsight> I can get whatever I want in >1K lbs from several suppliers in the area
[13:23:53] <CaptHindsight> just hard to find <1 sheet suppliers besides Metal Supermarkets and McMaster
[13:24:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mcnichols.com/products/perforated/material/stainless-steel/
[13:27:05] <maxcnc> pcw_home: are you ion ?
[13:27:41] <CaptHindsight> metals depot is 1/3 the price of McMaster
[13:50:28] <_methods> yeah metals depot for a small amount is probably your best bet
[13:50:55] <_methods> mcnichols is good too
[14:12:34] <fenn> 95% of those schematic labels are either wire colors or japanized english, which you should be able to decode with an hour's practice learning katakana
[14:12:35] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: in my exp, perf sheet is stupid expensive
[14:12:39] <zeeshan|2> pretty much wheterver you go
[14:12:44] <zeeshan|2> fenn i know
[14:12:45] <zeeshan|2> :P
[14:12:51] <zeeshan|2> fenn: are you japanese?
[14:12:54] <fenn> no
[14:13:08] <zeeshan|2> the colors are native japanese
[14:13:11] <zeeshan|2> some of them were hard to decode
[14:13:13] <zeeshan|2> but i got em now
[14:15:25] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: I'm just finding 1-3x price differences between distis that sell <1 sheet cuts
[14:19:39] <PetefromTn_> jeez I think I just accidentally lunched my Starrett edge finder :(
[14:20:03] <R2E4> too fast?
[14:20:57] <PetefromTn_> no I was in incremental mode
[14:21:49] <PetefromTn_> and I meant to raise the head after touch off but I THOUGHT I was in Z but I was actually still in Y... so .01 increments and a too aggressive spin of the MPG
[14:22:07] <PetefromTn_> it actually tried to roll over the surface but it got wedged because I was too low
[14:22:17] <PetefromTn_> now it does not seem to function correctly
[14:22:25] <PetefromTn_> it still works but it is kinda sloppy
[14:23:58] <CaptHindsight> I hate it when I do that
[14:24:25] <PetefromTn_> I hate it because its my only edge finder I trust right now
[14:24:28] <duc> Hello all
[14:24:42] <PetefromTn_> hello duc
[14:25:01] <CaptHindsight> could be worse I once jammed a 6" facemill into the part after fogetting to change the axis on the MPG
[14:25:03] <PetefromTn_> is your name duc for Ducati or perhaps a Duck hunter or maybe just you like ducks?
[14:25:23] <duc> Nah deal with the last name. To many dam michaels
[14:25:28] <PetefromTn_> heh I did that with a kurt soft jaw once
[14:26:05] <CaptHindsight> found out how much load it takes to trip the breaker on that mill
[14:26:37] <PetefromTn_> I swear I have the best wife....my wife and youngest daughter right now are cleaning and degreasing the electronics cabinet on my CNC lathe so I can start installing the new schtuff
[14:27:05] <PetefromTn_> I just asked her if she could clean the junk out of the bottom
[14:27:12] <zeeshan|2> haha
[14:27:14] <PetefromTn_> but she decided to REMOVE all of the wire looms
[14:27:14] <zeeshan|2> nice man
[14:27:20] <PetefromTn_> and the din rails
[14:27:24] <PetefromTn_> and put them in the dishwasher
[14:27:39] <PetefromTn_> and degreased the entire inside of the electronics cabinet
[14:27:46] <PetefromTn_> LIFE IS GOOD!! :D
[14:28:05] <PetefromTn_> all while I am running parts on the Cinci
[14:28:11] <duc> Lucky man
[14:30:53] <PetefromTn_> LOL someone just posted an ad on the facebook Used Machinists forum selling a bunch of Maxaxx servo drives and other components from a Cincinatti Mill.... Wonder if they are going LinuxCNC!!
[14:33:58] <Duc> PetefromTn I screwed up the purchase of my servo drives. Accidently ordered the MECHATROLINK-II servopack. What a waste of 500 dollars
[14:36:09] <zeeshan|2> :[
[14:36:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.immortal.org/20383/spaghetti-strainer-helmet-drivers-license-photo-approved-religious-grounds/
[14:38:31] <AndChat|407721> PetefromTn_: I messed up the ordering of the servo packs and didn't realize they were mechatrolink-ii versus analog units. $500 wasted
[14:38:36] <CaptHindsight> meeting here on IRC might count for having members and regular meetings
[14:38:57] <AndChat|407721> Need to switch back to duc
[14:39:23] <CaptHindsight> IANAL but there might be grounds to form a tax exempt CNC church here
[14:39:28] <PetefromTn_> damn that sucks
[14:39:30] <duc> Much better
[14:39:49] <t12> lol
[14:39:51] <t12> church of the chip
[14:40:00] <duc> Yea. My programming skills are nowhere to the level to make it work
[14:40:02] <PetefromTn_> LinuxCNC CHURCH!!
[14:40:19] <PetefromTn_> I B_E_L_I_E_V_E!!!!
[14:40:27] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[14:40:32] <t12> i think i gotta go to oxtoolco flea markets
[14:40:37] <t12> they seem to be better
[14:40:59] <fenn> where pray tell is that, exactly?
[14:41:06] <t12> eastbayish?
[14:41:16] <t12> hayward? oakland?
[14:41:27] <PetefromTn_> wisconsin?
[14:42:04] <fenn> i've been to the one on the border between berkeley and oakland, it was terrible
[14:42:39] <t12> i'm judging from the stuff he finds
[14:42:43] <t12> theres some terrible easybay oens too
[14:42:55] <t12> today is day of truth re moglice attempt 2
[14:45:03] <zeeshan|2> i'm a radical cncist
[14:45:08] <zeeshan|2> i am anti-tormach
[14:45:08] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[14:45:13] <t12> lol
[14:45:22] <PetefromTn_> Your'e Radical alright ;D
[14:45:31] <PetefromTn_> 're
[14:45:38] <zeeshan|2> my mission in life is to melt all tormachs to make 10000lb mills
[14:45:53] <fenn> noooo
[14:45:56] <t12> lol
[14:45:57] <fenn> every cnc is precious
[14:45:59] <zeeshan|2> they should have at least 40% good steal in them
[14:46:02] <duc> Whys that
[14:46:02] <zeeshan|2> *steel
[14:46:02] <PetefromTn_> thats gonna take a shitload of tormachs
[14:46:06] <zeeshan|2> LOL pete
[14:46:07] <zeeshan|2> hahahaha
[14:46:24] <CaptHindsight> Our Lady of the Perpetual Tormach has been offended
[14:46:54] <zeeshan|2> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/saplgl7x88744c9/AADI4zvT2pebPjtghVPp5RyFa?dl=0
[14:46:57] <zeeshan|2> when you go to that link
[14:46:58] <zeeshan|2> what do you see
[14:47:06] <PetefromTn_> let's see if I can touch off these tools without screwing anything else up..
[14:47:26] <t12> a list of pdfs
[14:47:39] <PetefromTn_> jeez you've been busy
[14:48:07] <XXCoder> 404s zeeshan|2
[14:48:07] <fenn> 404
[14:48:30] <zeeshan|2> fak
[14:48:41] <t12> yeah 404 when clicking on them
[14:49:23] <zeeshan|2> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/saplgl7x88744c9/AADI4zvT2pebPjtghVPp5RyFa?dl=0
[14:49:25] <zeeshan|2> try now
[14:49:41] <t12> works now
[14:49:50] <CaptHindsight> I thought we were only supposed to complain about Mach in here, is there a splinter group that has gone on to Tormach as well?
[14:50:00] <PetefromTn_> where da hell did I put those aluminum inserts...
[15:01:15] <duc> Errr expense reports suck to fill out
[15:01:37] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/a/1g7I6 NICE AND CLEAN!!
[15:22:38] <PetefromTn_> woah that was close...
[15:22:53] <PetefromTn_> I just tried to swap inserts on my Maritool Facemill
[15:23:08] <PetefromTn_> from the carbide coated for steels to the polished inserts for aluminum
[15:23:14] <Tom_itx> better get a tool holder
[15:23:16] <PetefromTn_> one of thes screws snapped off in there
[15:23:30] <PetefromTn_> you mean a cat40 fixture?
[15:23:37] <Tom_itx> yeah
[15:23:43] <PetefromTn_> I made one awhile back
[15:23:56] <PetefromTn_> it was actually the very first part I made with the Cinci
[15:23:57] <Tom_itx> we put one by every machine
[15:24:04] <PetefromTn_> its a gotta have huh
[15:24:08] <PetefromTn_> anyway
[15:24:20] <PetefromTn_> I sprayed some PB blaster on the stub
[15:24:24] <Tom_itx> zeeshan-lab i figured out my SW problem
[15:24:28] <PetefromTn_> and after awhile it just came right out
[15:24:43] <PetefromTn_> but not I can't find the spare screws I bought for it :(
[15:24:54] <Tom_itx> what are they?
[15:25:00] <Tom_itx> i bet i can get em locally
[15:25:10] <Tom_itx> you probably can too
[15:25:33] <Tom_itx> we tend to have things others don't have around here due to the aircraft
[15:25:56] <PetefromTn_> I bought a couple extra but I can't find em yet
[15:26:08] <PetefromTn_> shop is a bit of a mess right now with all the stuff in boxes everywhere etc..
[15:26:09] <zeeshan|2> what was the problem tom
[15:26:11] <Tom_itx> i hate engineers that try to hide dimensions in drawings
[15:26:30] <zeeshan|2> i hate engineers that dont follow ansi y14.5
[15:26:33] <zeeshan|2> !
[15:26:46] <zeeshan|2> pete that looks brand new mate
[15:26:50] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, i was relying on an extrusion for part of the dimensioning instead of making construction lines on the same sketch
[15:27:03] <duc> And if they follow to the letter you may hate them more. Alot of profile call outs
[15:27:08] <zeeshan|2> t12 it let you download the pdf?
[15:27:10] <Tom_itx> it ended up the same but i fully defined the sketch
[15:27:28] <PetefromTn_> thanks zeesh
[15:27:39] <PetefromTn_> she is actually scrubbing the wire looms in the bathtub LOL
[15:27:39] <Tom_itx> still learning what you can get by with and what you can't
[15:27:41] <zeeshan|2> you guys use a cat40 fixture why?
[15:27:44] <zeeshan|2> you dont do it in the spindle?
[15:27:48] <Tom_itx> no
[15:27:50] <zeeshan|2> why
[15:27:57] <Tom_itx> not when you're doing a complete setup
[15:28:01] <zeeshan|2> why
[15:28:04] <PetefromTn_> you are not supposed to do it in the spindle it even says that on my machine
[15:28:06] <Tom_itx> swapping holders etc
[15:28:11] <Tom_itx> yeah
[15:28:12] <zeeshan|2> why
[15:28:38] <Tom_itx> beside that we layed them out in order per job on the bench then loaded the carousel
[15:28:42] <PetefromTn_> not sure but I try to never do it,,,,besides its safer in a fixture
[15:29:07] <Tom_itx> i'd rather not drop a tool on my head either
[15:29:16] <zeeshan|2> hm
[15:29:43] <duc> Waste cycle time the machine could be running. Insert swap on spare tool
[15:30:04] <zeeshan|2> i think its more than that
[15:30:43] <zeeshan|2> im not an expert since i was asking why, but logically i would think if you try locking a er32 collet nut on your machine spindle
[15:30:47] <zeeshan|2> and you hammer it tight
[15:30:56] <zeeshan|2> youre putting pulse loads on the ball bearing
[15:30:59] <zeeshan|2> *impulse
[15:31:03] <zeeshan|2> and flattening the balls
[15:31:38] <Tom_itx> any way you look at it, it's better done on the bench
[15:31:48] <zeeshan|2> i differ on that opinion
[15:31:50] <zeeshan|2> but that is just me :P
[15:32:22] <zeeshan|2> pete you were supposed to send me the model for that cat40 holder!
[15:33:13] <DaViruz> http://tovek.se/images/custom/AuctionItem/53692.JPG
[15:33:25] <PetefromTn_> Oh sorry I forgot
[15:33:27] <DaViruz> how'd you imagine that chuck is operated? pneumatics or hydraulics?
[15:33:36] <PetefromTn_> you still want it?
[15:33:39] <zeeshan|2> yes
[15:33:45] <zeeshan|2> wanna see how you did it
[15:34:01] <zeeshan|2> DaViruz: hydraulic
[15:34:02] <PetefromTn_> its just a plate of 3/4
[15:34:08] <PetefromTn_> nothing fancy
[15:34:12] <zeeshan|2> anddddd
[15:34:13] <DaViruz> http://tovek.se/images/custom/AuctionItem/53694.JPG
[15:34:15] <zeeshan|2> with a big hole in it?
[15:34:18] <zeeshan|2> and you bolt in 2 keys?
[15:34:25] <PetefromTn_> no
[15:34:30] <PetefromTn_> hang on lemme try to find it
[15:34:44] <DaViruz> i don't see ha hydraulic pump in the pictures, so i guess that's missing then :/
[15:35:21] <DaViruz> should be simple enough to cobble something together though i guess
[15:37:23] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan whats your dropbox? or do I even need it
[15:37:29] <zeeshan|2> you dont need it
[15:37:33] <zeeshan|2> right click on the file and click share
[15:37:56] <duc> PetefromTn_: just got the ebay offer for the correct drives at 213 versus the 159 for the mechatrolink ones. Wife is going to be pissed
[15:38:16] <Tom_itx> don't tell her?
[15:38:56] <duc> I travel way to much not to be open with her. And she is home when the shit arrives
[15:41:49] <PetefromTn_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/umqb4s6a6cjptkj/Cat40fixture.stl?dl=0
[15:42:50] <PetefromTn_> does that work for you?
[15:43:20] <zeeshan|2> yes
[15:43:45] <zeeshan|2> can you export it in something else?
[15:43:47] <PetefromTn_> now I don't remember if I had to make adjustments to it but that is the drawing I made the part from
[15:43:48] <zeeshan|2> not stl
[15:43:52] <zeeshan|2> like x_t
[15:43:54] <zeeshan|2> or step
[15:44:01] <PetefromTn_> shit
[15:44:09] <PetefromTn_> I can later
[15:44:15] <zeeshan|2> because stl is a buncha triangles for me
[15:44:16] <PetefromTn_> right now I got to get these parts machined
[15:44:19] <zeeshan|2> and id have to do a bunch of shit
[15:44:20] <zeeshan|2> yea no problem
[15:44:28] <zeeshan|2> im liking what i see!
[15:44:30] <PetefromTn_> I will do it tho
[15:44:48] <zeeshan|2> so you got a clamp basically
[15:44:52] <duc> Cat 40 standards are also on the Web everywhere
[15:44:54] <zeeshan|2> where do those 4 bolts go?
[15:45:01] <zeeshan|2> duc i have those
[15:45:03] <PetefromTn_> oh wait
[15:45:08] <PetefromTn_> I think I have a .step
[15:46:00] <PetefromTn_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ez30aaxganfjpna/Cat40fixturetest.step?dl=0
[15:46:25] <zeeshan|2> there we go
[15:46:27] <PetefromTn_> the four holes are what you bolt the damn thing down to your table with... or to your machine
[15:46:28] <zeeshan|2> thats a solid body :D
[15:46:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah sorry
[15:46:41] <PetefromTn_> its a freecad model ;)
[15:46:45] <zeeshan|2> and those 2 notches
[15:46:46] <zeeshan|2> in the circle
[15:47:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[15:47:18] <PetefromTn_> its a big clamp
[15:47:26] <PetefromTn_> altho I never use the clamp part
[15:47:36] <PetefromTn_> as mine is pretty snug I just drop the tool in
[15:48:27] <zeeshan|2> okay isee it now
[15:48:32] <zeeshan|2> it grabs on the v-flange part
[15:48:39] <zeeshan|2> and the block thing is the key
[15:53:36] <zeeshan|2> http://www.industrydepot.com/images/Techniks12pack.jpg
[15:53:37] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[15:53:44] <zeeshan|2> 6 packs of tool holders
[15:53:45] <zeeshan|2> i like.
[16:08:16] <PetefromTn_> can't wait to start stuffing this electronics cabinet with brand new goodies :D
[16:16:43] <duc> What are you going to drop in it?
[16:16:49] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, iges is a good way to transfer the file
[16:18:05] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, did you get the motherboard?
[16:18:56] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx transger what file
[16:19:09] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop yeah I have almost everything here now
[16:19:37] <PetefromTn_> now if I could just find those damn facemill screws :D
[16:20:44] <Tom_itx> that stl file
[16:20:52] <PetefromTn_> ah
[16:21:11] <PetefromTn_> well this way anyone can have it on dropbox
[16:21:32] <Tom_itx> stl makes it all screwy though
[16:22:24] <Deejay> gn8
[16:22:26] <PetefromTn_> I figured most here have solidworks or better so it would work
[16:22:32] <PetefromTn_> GN8 DEEJAY!!
[16:25:52] <JT-Shop> I'll be so glad to get the outside of the shop done!
[16:26:19] <Tom_itx> it does work but there are no layers etc with it
[16:26:20] <XXCoder> too bad solidworks is windows only
[16:28:22] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what you got left to do?
[16:28:32] <Tom_itx> you gonna try to paint before winter??
[16:29:34] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, i'm pretty sure iges gives you more of the dimensioning that you can't get with stl
[16:31:06] <JT-Shop> wrap the garage doors so I can finish the siding then move the carport out so I can do the south side
[16:31:43] <Tom_itx> oh one of those freestanding carports?
[16:31:44] <JT-Shop> the east side is all doors lol, 4 garage and 2 man doors
[16:31:48] <JT-Shop> yea
[16:32:06] <JT-Shop> pick up one end with the backhoe and drag it out some
[16:32:16] <XXCoder> doors behind doors. doors all way in
[16:32:24] <Tom_itx> just don't bend the legs
[16:32:32] <JT-Shop> lol yea
[16:32:54] <Tom_itx> stick a couple 2x under the drug leg side
[16:33:15] <JT-Shop> my neighbor moved his a few times with his jap tractor, has such a low gear the tractor pulls one side and he pulls the other one
[16:33:34] <JT-Shop> I'll pick it in the middle and pull from the center
[16:34:45] <Tom_itx> nothing quite like a bowl of homemade chicken noodle soup on a cold day
[16:35:40] <JT-Shop> chicken and dumplins on the stove now
[16:35:48] <Tom_itx> mmm those are good too
[16:36:02] <JT-Shop> it's not even cold here
[16:36:18] <Tom_itx> it's not all that cold but windy which makes it seem that way
[16:37:10] <JT-Shop> wife cooks a whole chicken and pulls the meat off, I make the stock after then we freeze it in containers and add the dumplins when we cook some
[16:37:31] <JT-Shop> tried freezing the dumplins but that was terrible
[16:46:24] <Tom_itx> doesn't last long enough to freeze around here
[16:47:52] <JT-Shop> only 2 of us so we get 4 meals from one chicken
[16:48:04] <Tom_itx> yeah
[16:48:41] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c07piork9kepgbs/2015-11-15%2017.20.24.jpg?dl=0
[16:48:51] <_methods> neighbor just gave me that
[16:49:24] <_methods> crazy he says they just throw it all away where he works
[16:50:15] <Tom_itx> any ends on it?
[16:50:37] <_methods> nah
[16:50:43] <_methods> all straps
[16:51:10] <_methods> i have a sewing machine for stuff like that though
[16:51:14] <Tom_itx> still good for something
[16:51:29] <_methods> the ratchets are cheap
[16:51:39] <_methods> $4 from uscargo i think
[16:51:44] <Tom_itx> yeah i get that stuff bulk at the yard here
[16:51:50] <Tom_itx> when i need one
[16:52:07] <_methods> i have no idea what i'm gonna do with it all lol
[16:52:08] <Tom_itx> iirc they have the ratchets etc too
[16:52:40] <_methods> gonna make the wife some of those reusable grocery bags
[16:52:43] <_methods> going green lol
[16:58:52] <zeeshan|2> holy shit
[16:58:53] <zeeshan|2> i want some!!!!!!!1
[16:58:57] <zeeshan|2> those are expensive
[17:30:51] <Sync> zeeshan|2: just got back
[17:30:57] <Sync> what a fucking mess
[17:43:44] * JT-Shop wonders how long to let the goatee grow
[17:44:27] <malcom2073> At the very least until you are sufficiently creepy
[17:44:36] <_methods> still you start getting asked questions about whether you're involved in terrorist activities
[17:44:47] <_methods> s/still/until
[17:52:58] <XXCoder> _methods: nice
[17:53:04] <XXCoder> you can make outside chair using em
[17:53:27] <XXCoder> very strong, stronger than usual lounge crap
[17:53:29] <CaptHindsight> go green literally by consuming them!
[17:57:17] <_methods> ah good idea on the chair
[17:58:54] <CaptHindsight> is there a basket weaving class nearby?
[17:59:00] <_methods> hahah
[17:59:04] <_methods> maybe now
[18:00:36] <CaptHindsight> just box it up and sell it as Makerstrap
[18:00:52] <XXCoder> kickstart it as Makerstrip[
[18:02:39] <_methods> hahahaha
[18:03:06] <_methods> make a 3d printer out of straps
[18:03:16] <CaptHindsight> or market a sales kit for $29.95 "How to make millions while sleeping with Makerstrap!"
[18:03:33] <_methods> oh sleeping..... i smell a hammock coming
[18:04:01] <XXCoder> must be very smelly hammock
[18:04:05] <CaptHindsight> miracle strap
[18:04:24] <XXCoder> Just like ones you see in store, only uniquely kickstarter branded!
[18:05:03] <CaptHindsight> and if you order right now we'll send you 2 rolls of miracle tape, strap on one side and the other has a very sticky glue
[18:05:27] <CaptHindsight> 1001 uses
[18:10:51] <XXCoder> dang thats good photoshop job
http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/4/7/0/475470_v1.jpg
[18:58:56] <PetefromTn_> hey guys
[18:59:03] <PetefromTn_> stupid question again
[18:59:20] <XXCoder> no stpid quetions just stupid answers
[18:59:24] <PetefromTn_> I want to order from Amazon and they are offering me the PRIME option with free 2 day shipping
[18:59:43] <PetefromTn_> it says the PRIME membership is like 9 bucks a month
[18:59:53] <CaptHindsight> I took a poll last week and most said it wasn't worth it
[18:59:56] <PetefromTn_> does that INLCLUDE the Amazon Prime TV stuff
[19:00:08] <PetefromTn_> from who?
[19:00:14] <CaptHindsight> unless you want the TV stuff
[19:00:30] <PetefromTn_> I would probably enjoy the TV stuff IF it is included
[19:01:14] <CaptHindsight> yeah, the ones that didn't get their moneys worth didn't use the video stuff
[19:01:15] <PetefromTn_> honestly my wife likes to order from amazon and the free shipping would probably pay for itself in purchased shipping anyway
[19:01:34] <PetefromTn_> why wouldn't you use it if its included for free?
[19:01:55] <CaptHindsight> some people don't watch the TV stuff
[19:02:09] <XXCoder> and some just dont watch tv at all
[19:02:09] <_methods> yeah the only thing i use is the free shipping
[19:02:14] <_methods> but the tv is getting better
[19:02:36] <CaptHindsight> other use alternative TV services
[19:02:38] <XXCoder> and more spywares in tv too
[19:02:59] <XXCoder> vizio is worse, with tv constantly recording what you watch
[19:03:52] <CaptHindsight> any deals on 4 conductor 16-18ga super flex cables?
[19:04:17] <PetefromTn_> we watch netflix a lot over here
[19:04:41] <PetefromTn_> having the amazon TV would be another option and I understand that some of the shows are on one or the other
[19:04:59] <PetefromTn_> Do they take it out monthly or in one lump sum methods?
[19:05:13] <_methods> one shot
[19:05:20] <_methods> i think it's like $98
[19:05:29] <PetefromTn_> damn thats kinda shitty
[19:05:30] <CaptHindsight> I think they have funded and host Man in the High Castle as well as the new series by the old Top Gear crew
[19:05:32] <_methods> but around this time of year they usually have some deals
[19:05:41] <_methods> yeah man in the high castle is on there
[19:05:44] <_methods> and hand of god
[19:05:52] <PetefromTn_> TOP GEAR would be sweet
[19:06:10] <Tom_itx> ok, how do you get a round chamfer on a hex rod in SW?
[19:06:14] <_methods> watch for a discount on prime around now
[19:06:29] <Tom_itx> like a blend into the turned round part from a hex
[19:06:29] <_methods> you might have to do a revolved cut
[19:06:30] <CaptHindsight> Jeremy annouced that the whole crew is going to be on Amazon in'16
[19:06:41] <Tom_itx> k
[19:06:45] <_methods> since the hex will want to make it hex shaped
[19:06:51] <PetefromTn_> just select each facet of the hex and champfer?
[19:07:01] <Tom_itx> that doesn't work
[19:07:16] <Tom_itx> you end up with a hex chamfer not a round one
[19:07:22] <_methods> yeah
[19:07:29] <_methods> that's why i'd use a revolved cut
[19:07:41] <Tom_itx> i will
[19:08:32] <PetefromTn_> _methods are you sure there is not an option for monthly payments on it?
[19:08:43] <_methods> i am not sure
[19:08:49] <PetefromTn_> ok
[19:09:21] <_methods> i would imagine that would invite some abuse
[19:09:34] <_methods> people just getting prime for a month and ordering everything they can find
[19:10:15] <CaptHindsight> they also make it easy for you to forget to un-subscribe
[19:10:43] <Sync> PetefromTn_: gawd. changed the brakes on the mitsu, what a joke
[19:12:05] <_methods> i buy stuff from amazon regularly so it makes sense for me
[19:12:30] <PetefromTn_> Sync huh?
[19:12:47] <Sync> well
[19:13:02] <Sync> I have gone from disc/drum to dual piston front and disc in the back
[19:13:19] <PetefromTn_> _methods I agree that I would and have been buying things regularly from amazon so between that and the free TV it WOULD be worth it but I hate having to swallow that hundred bucks right off the bat
[19:13:26] <Sync> and it appears that USDM/JDM cars were slightly different than european ones
[19:13:30] <Sync> so shit did not fit at all
[19:13:57] <PetefromTn_> shit typically never does in my experience ;)
[19:14:08] <Sync> yeah
[19:14:16] <Sync> I mean, it was expected
[19:14:20] <Sync> but not to that amount
[19:14:44] <Tom_itx> hah perfect and so simple
[19:18:24] <_methods> i'm sure there's some way to do it with chamfer
[19:18:28] <_methods> or fillet
[19:18:32] <_methods> you wanted a fillet right?
[19:18:39] <Tom_itx> chamfer
[19:18:57] <Tom_itx> one line and a centerline and done
[19:19:07] <_methods> ah chamfer tool is not as robust as the fillet tool
[19:19:21] <_methods> yeah revoloved cut is the easiest way i know to do that
[19:20:58] <zeeshan|2> whats a round chamfer :P
[19:23:47] <PetefromTn_> apparently when you use the free trial and agree to accept the PRIME option you do NOT get the TV or the Kindle library stuff until the free trial is over. BUMMER DUDE!!
[19:24:41] <_methods> well the tv is hardly a selling point lol
[19:24:51] <PetefromTn_> It Is for me
[19:25:03] <PetefromTn_> honestly it is MOST of the reason I am considering it
[19:25:12] <PetefromTn_> that and free 2 day shipping ;)
[19:25:32] <PetefromTn_> I would love to be able to watch current Top Gear shows when they start up
[19:25:57] <Tom_itx> stream
[19:26:06] <_methods> they usually have a big discount on it later in november
[19:26:29] <_methods> i think earlier this year they did a $79/year prime thing
[19:26:58] <_methods> man i just started watching black sails and that show is pretty damn good
[19:27:18] <_methods> lots of boobies
[19:27:40] <zeeshan|2> Ilove cOLORS
[19:27:46] <zeeshan|2> i forgot irc had colors
[19:38:52] <Sync> zeeshan|2: turns out the spindle on the rear axle is 30mm on newer cars and 28mm on old ones
[19:42:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.wireandcabletogo.com/16-AWG-SOOW/ not bad for short lengths
[19:48:55] <PetefromTn_> I guess I will try it
[20:08:57] <PetefromTn_> well I think just with this two orders I just placed shipping would have been like $20 at least so I am 1/5 of the way to paying off this Prime thing ;)
[20:09:53] <_methods> yeah it's easy to make it pay off pretty quick
[20:11:22] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/jZ4NRO3 my wife just finished cleaning all the wire looms we removed from the electronics cabinet!!
[20:11:30] <_methods> i just ordered a 200' 5/8" static rope and it was prime
[20:11:45] <_methods> the shipping from everyone else was $20
[20:11:52] <PetefromTn_> do you typically really get the 2 day shipping?
[20:11:54] <_methods> and i got the rope cheaper than everyone else
[20:11:56] <_methods> yeah
[20:12:01] <_methods> i never use the credit
[20:12:04] <_methods> so i just get 2 day
[20:12:04] <PetefromTn_> sweet
[20:12:16] <PetefromTn_> trying the TV stuff now
[20:17:07] <duc> I usually get two day shipping but prime tv does suck
[20:17:39] <_methods> yeah the tv is hardly a selling point lol
[20:18:54] <duc> Yea. That's why I've kept netflix and buy shows on amazon if I want to watch current stuff. No cable at this point and I still come ahead each month
[20:21:42] <jdh> the music is painful also
[20:22:03] <_methods> and you have to pay extra for the kindle library
[20:22:04] <jdh> but, 2 day delivery, and on sunday is nice
[20:22:16] <_methods> which is the only thing that would be worth it besides free shipping
[20:23:36] <Sync> PetefromTn_: I'm actually amazed
[20:23:44] <Sync> mitsubishi still has *every* body part for my car
[20:30:06] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHTcSKkUU8U - When you just have to have 200 axes.
[20:31:15] <Sync> that's pretty cool
[20:31:27] <Sync> my universities wave canal has a removable roof
[20:31:57] <SpeedEvil> It's insane. I note the 25m pool has '1:16 scale" in the notes.
[20:32:23] <SpeedEvil> I guess if you actually want to test large power turbines, you've pretty much got to go there
[20:32:57] <SpeedEvil> Even the leetle pool would make an awesome indoor sea-pool.
[20:33:33] <Jymmm> Eh, not impressed. Have it make a sandwich or a pretty pretty princess castle and now were talking!
[20:35:27] <Jymmm> The Earth's ocean have bene making waves for millions of years, at least this makes use of them...
http://liquidr.com/technology/waveglider/how-it-works.html
[20:36:17] <Jymmm> San Francisco to Australia, all on wave power...
http://liquidr.com/resdown/resources/case-studies/pacx.html
[20:36:46] <Sync> well
[20:36:56] <Sync> simulating waves is non trivial
[20:37:02] <Sync> so you need a canal to verify models
[20:37:09] <Jymmm> Again, ocean, millions of year, nuff said.
[20:37:55] <Jymmm> Maybe there is legit use for that, but I'm just not impressed by it.
[20:39:08] <Jymmm> (no offense intended)
[20:40:43] <Sync> the ocean does not help you if you want to engineer shores
[20:41:53] <Sync> https://youtu.be/MSDRmmsVoBc?t=1m20s
[20:42:32] <Sync> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kJ0cGrC74A
[20:42:51] <Jymmm> Needs surfboard =)
[20:47:24] <PetefromTn_> well its been kind of a shit day in the shop today for me
[20:47:56] <PetefromTn_> I managed to bugger up my starrett edge finder
[20:48:16] <PetefromTn_> and then I tried to run the Steyr Rail program I have run hundreds of times now
[20:48:35] <PetefromTn_> and quickly broke off not one, not two, but three 1/8 inch endmills
[20:48:48] <PetefromTn_> I am not really sure what the hell is wrong either
[20:49:02] <PetefromTn_> I think it MIGHT have somehow jacked up the collet when I first broke it
[20:49:14] <PetefromTn_> then the rest just suffered from it or something
[20:49:28] <_methods> put an indicator on it
[20:49:32] <PetefromTn_> I did
[20:49:37] <_methods> no runout?
[20:49:39] <PetefromTn_> it was not too terrible
[20:49:52] <PetefromTn_> after the broken one it was less than a thou
[20:49:54] <_methods> spring collet?
[20:49:58] <PetefromTn_> ER20
[20:50:23] <PetefromTn_> so instead of printing some more money tonight I am OUT a good bit
[20:50:38] <_methods> is the end mill pulling out of the collet
[20:50:50] <_methods> i don't like using spring collets for end mills
[20:50:55] <PetefromTn_> I just ordered some new Maritool 1/8 3 flute endmills with .015 radii
[20:51:00] <_methods> i always try to use solid holders
[20:51:05] <PetefromTn_> not me
[20:51:15] <PetefromTn_> I almost always use spring collets
[20:51:25] <PetefromTn_> seldom have any issues
[20:51:34] <_methods> well you can get away with that most of the time
[20:51:38] <PetefromTn_> but like I said I think I damaged the collet
[20:51:43] <_methods> but then you break 3 end mills back to back
[20:51:52] <PetefromTn_> so I just ordered a new ER20 1/8 from maritool
[20:51:57] <_methods> i only use drills in spring collets
[20:52:03] <_methods> and taps go in tap collets
[20:52:11] <PetefromTn_> I am not certain why it is breaking them yet
[20:52:21] <_methods> but i'm not gonna lie i've used end mill in spring collet out of laziness
[20:52:49] <PetefromTn_> every shop I have worked in we used spring collets for endmills
[20:52:57] <_methods> wow really/
[20:53:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah really
[20:53:08] <_methods> good way to break an end mill
[20:53:33] <PetefromTn_> I guess if you say so we never really had any problems with it
[20:54:02] <_methods> they make weldon shank tools and holders for a reason
[20:54:26] <PetefromTn_> almost none of my endmills have weldon shanks
[20:54:56] <_methods> yeah i know you can get them but most people that use those are putting them in to shrink tooling
[20:55:43] <PetefromTn_> heh only one of the shops I worked in even had shrink fit tooling. and they only had a couple holders as it was
[20:56:24] <PetefromTn_> but either way It was a shit night
[20:56:42] <PetefromTn_> I am out close to a hundred bucks in replacing all the stuff I damaged/broke
[20:57:06] <_methods> yeah that sux
[20:57:19] <_methods> tooling is hell
[20:57:37] <_methods> then whiny bitch ass customers whine when you tell them how much there stuff is gonna cost
[20:57:42] <PetefromTn_> it sux mostly because I have run that damn program a bunch already without issues
[20:58:15] <_methods> that makes it even worse
[20:58:25] <PetefromTn_> I also bought a couple new 123 blocks
[20:58:46] <_methods> nice
[20:58:51] <PetefromTn_> I really need a couple more for setups and they had a good price on them on amazon
[20:59:05] <_methods> yeah i need some more myself
[20:59:06] <PetefromTn_> watching gremlins on Amazon Prime now LOL
[20:59:09] <_methods> i need some 246's
[20:59:15] <PetefromTn_> I do too
[20:59:50] <PetefromTn_> I use them often to prop up stuff off the table that is difficult to hold in the vise
[21:00:30] <_methods> yeah helpful buggers
[21:01:19] <PetefromTn_> I am so happy my wife helped me with the electronics cabinet it looks brand new inside there now
[21:01:33] <PetefromTn_> I was just gonna scrape the crud off the bottom and spray and wipe it out a bit
[21:01:45] <PetefromTn_> but now it is totally sparklin' in there LOL
[21:01:58] <PetefromTn_> will make wiring up the stuff so much nicer
[21:02:03] <_methods> now you just need to teach here her how to grind end mills and have her make you some new ones lol
[21:02:23] <PetefromTn_> I thought there was a bit more din rail in there than there actually was but I think I can make it work nice
[21:02:54] <PetefromTn_> actually I would love to get the CNC lathe up and running and teach her how to run that thing for the small parts runs we will hopefully be doing.
[21:03:24] <PetefromTn_> I THINK it will be easier/safer than the CNC mill in the end for proven programs.
[21:03:25] <_methods> hell yeah you already got yourself a button monkey
[21:03:40] <PetefromTn_> heh Button Babe..
[21:03:43] <_methods> hahah
[21:04:05] <PetefromTn_> she actually wants to learn to tig weld if you can believe that...
[21:04:10] <_methods> wow
[21:04:16] <_methods> not mig?
[21:04:18] <_methods> just tig lol
[21:04:25] <PetefromTn_> I am trying to get the cash together to buy another Tig unit for the shop here
[21:04:35] <_methods> you need a 2nd one?
[21:04:38] <PetefromTn_> Tig is where the money is I think LOL
[21:04:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah mine is over at the race shop where I work part time
[21:04:57] <_methods> i just picked up an ltec 306 for $400
[21:05:10] <PetefromTn_> LOL I have an Ltec....
[21:05:13] <PetefromTn_> it kicks ass
[21:05:17] <_methods> ah good to hear that
[21:05:18] <PetefromTn_> despite its age
[21:05:25] <_methods> yeah i hear they are good machines
[21:05:28] <_methods> just power hogs
[21:05:29] <PetefromTn_> is a 306 a tig
[21:05:33] <_methods> yeah
[21:05:42] <PetefromTn_> I have no idea what mine is called
[21:05:44] <_methods> it's the upgraded 306 too
[21:06:25] <PetefromTn_> damn that is a good looking machine
[21:06:32] <PetefromTn_> what options does it have?
[21:06:46] <PetefromTn_> I am sure it is AC/DC but what else?
[21:07:02] <_methods> i'll have to take a pic of it
[21:07:18] <_methods> it's still at the shop it's so damn heavy i gotta figure out some way to get it in the garage lol
[21:07:31] <PetefromTn_> I know mine is a beast heavy
[21:07:34] <_methods> yeah
[21:07:40] <PetefromTn_> but I gotta say it ALWAYS WORKS
[21:07:49] <PetefromTn_> and it has got power to spare
[21:07:59] <_methods> you got the original foot pedal?
[21:08:07] <_methods> i gotta find a pedal for mine
[21:08:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah heavy steel arrangement
[21:08:17] <_methods> ah damn
[21:08:23] <_methods> they are hard to find i guess
[21:08:28] <PetefromTn_> jeez 400 thats so cheap
[21:08:34] <_methods> hell yeah
[21:08:38] <_methods> auction baby
[21:08:38] <PetefromTn_> did you get it at auction
[21:08:42] <PetefromTn_> ah
[21:08:43] <_methods> damn skippy
[21:08:59] <_methods> i got a hougen 10914 there too
[21:09:01] <_methods> $400
[21:10:10] <PetefromTn_> http://s682.photobucket.com/user/arqangel67/media/Photo-0967.jpg.html does it look like this?
[21:10:27] <_methods> yep
[21:10:28] <_methods> tha's it
[21:10:42] <_methods> mine has all those options too
[21:11:00] <PetefromTn_> looks like it has high freq adj and AC balance
[21:11:02] <PetefromTn_> nice
[21:11:02] <_methods> i think tha's the upgraded version
[21:11:18] <_methods> you water cooling yours?
[21:11:22] <_methods> or gas
[21:11:46] <_methods> i'm just gonna run with gas cooling till i can build a water cooler for it
[21:12:05] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: FWIW... Partially seasoned wood is just a waste of money.
[21:12:13] <PetefromTn_> I just use an air cooled torch
[21:12:19] <PetefromTn_> never really had any problems
[21:12:26] <_methods> kk
[21:12:30] <PetefromTn_> but I would like to try a water cooled one at some point
[21:12:35] <_methods> i won't be welding enough to need water cooled
[21:12:45] <PetefromTn_> but I don't really weld high amps or for extended durations
[21:12:51] <_methods> but eventually i'll build a water cooler for it
[21:12:57] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: VERY WELL seasoned oak, or even better, almond is great! HUGE HUGE HUGE difference.
[21:13:05] <PetefromTn_> the stainless exhaust stuff is only like less than a hundred amps
[21:13:19] <_methods> you got it hooked up to a 100amp breaker?
[21:13:49] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/B4hv6Fu
[21:14:08] <_methods> you did that?
[21:14:10] <PetefromTn_> naah I only have a 60 here
[21:14:19] <_methods> ah good i got a 50 amp
[21:14:20] <PetefromTn_> and I don't think it is more than a 50 at the shop
[21:14:32] <PetefromTn_> yeah that was what I worked on friday
[21:14:37] <_methods> nice
[21:14:44] <PetefromTn_> do you think it looks okay?
[21:15:22] <Jymmm> Looks like crap! Should I click the link now?
[21:15:51] <_methods> looks great for being welded by a machinist lol
[21:15:55] <CaptHindsight> did you see the artisanal firewood video?
[21:15:59] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/ImFZEDU
[21:16:10] <Jymmm> Love the rainbow welds
[21:16:19] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I am not a trained tig welder just self taught
[21:16:24] <Sync> PetefromTn_: is that with filler?
[21:16:27] <Jymmm> I've always thought that SS rainbow colored looks awesome
[21:16:27] <_methods> the one in the background doesn't look so good though lol
[21:16:35] <Sync> kinda looks like fusion with that undercutting at some spots
[21:16:39] <PetefromTn_> Sync yeah hand welded with filler
[21:17:05] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: what model TIG do you use?
[21:17:18] <PetefromTn_> heh the one in the background is the very first one I did there
[21:17:29] <PetefromTn_> it was just an experiment and learning one
[21:17:33] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: (I'm kidding btw)
[21:17:50] <PetefromTn_> but we worked out where we wanted the waste dump with it
[21:18:13] <Sync> it's perfectly fine for what it is, but imho you should add more filler for a convex weld profile
[21:18:13] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight I use an old L-tec tig I have had for years right now
[21:18:26] <PetefromTn_> that is schedule 40
[21:18:29] <_methods> i'm glad to see you did that with the ltec
[21:18:41] <PetefromTn_> its some thick stuff
[21:18:51] <Sync> ah, chamfered the edge?
[21:18:54] <PetefromTn_> each one is bevelled pretty good
[21:19:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[21:19:11] <PetefromTn_> so there is a good bit of filler in there already
[21:19:11] <Sync> yeah, I suppose you need to add more filler
[21:19:11] <_methods> i gotta figure out how to get that heavy bastard off my truck and in the garage
[21:19:30] <Jymmm> _methods: donut on a stick?
[21:19:33] <Sync> for a code weld, but eh, who cares
[21:19:42] <PetefromTn_> where exactly do you see undercutting tho?
[21:20:19] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: whats that the header for?
[21:20:36] <Sync> weld in the middle of the picture and top of the picture
[21:20:37] <PetefromTn_> its for a big single turbo for a Mazda Rotary
[21:20:43] <Sync> profile looks concave
[21:20:43] <Jymmm> ah
[21:20:57] <PetefromTn_> which picture?
[21:21:21] <Sync> the first one, but they are in the same position (roughly) on both
[21:21:35] <Sync> but yeah, looks good :D
[21:21:46] <Sync> I did not realize that sch 40 was 3.8mm wall thickness
[21:22:01] <_methods> how much did you pay for your ltec PetefromTn_
[21:22:05] <PetefromTn_> I honestly do not see too much undercutting
[21:22:18] <PetefromTn_> I am not saying I am the best Tig welder here
[21:22:22] <PetefromTn_> I am certainly not
[21:22:40] <PetefromTn_> but I think I am getting better every day working there
[21:22:52] <_methods> looks good to me
[21:22:56] <PetefromTn_> compared to the first ones I did as you can see in the picture LOL
[21:23:10] <PetefromTn_> That guy ToxicFAb is unbelievable
[21:23:25] <PetefromTn_> as are several of the better pros that do this stuff
[21:23:38] <PetefromTn_> I have a ways to go before I can even come close to their consistency
[21:23:55] <PetefromTn_> I think I do better against the flanges than I do on the tube itself
[21:24:10] <PetefromTn_> _methods I probably paid too much for it
[21:24:18] <PetefromTn_> I got it a couple years ago
[21:24:27] <PetefromTn_> from a local welder guy who had it in his shop
[21:24:30] <Wolf_> 900hrs round about for each joint type/position and yer pro
[21:24:32] <PetefromTn_> he told me he never used it
[21:24:58] <PetefromTn_> Wolf is that right
[21:25:09] <PetefromTn_> you are the one who is a fabricator right?
[21:25:20] <Wolf_> yeah
[21:25:50] <PetefromTn_> how do those look to you honestly I would value your review or comments on it
[21:26:53] <CaptHindsight> the problem is finding the first 800 hours of welding work that can be crappy
[21:27:15] <Wolf_> seen people pay for worse ;)
[21:27:26] <PetefromTn_> heh
[21:27:56] <Wolf_> could use more dips in the puddle
[21:28:09] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_:
http://www.weldingpro.com/shop/reconditioned-ltec-heliarc-306-tig-welding-machine-with-pedal/ is this similar to yours?
[21:28:42] <PetefromTn_> well other than it is also green and white it does not look exactly like that
[21:28:54] <PetefromTn_> mine is a 350 amp machine
[21:29:09] <PetefromTn_> I don't remember what model it is and it is not here so I cannot just go see
[21:29:40] <Wolf_> tiggin tube is one of the biggest bitches to do also
[21:29:48] <CaptHindsight> I come across a lot of Miller Synchrowave 350/1 for $2500
[21:29:55] <Sync> yeah, I fucking hate it too
[21:30:04] <Sync> the setup is a bitch mostly tho
[21:30:21] <PetefromTn_> Wolf that is pretty much all we do there is tube LOL
[21:30:37] <PetefromTn_> it is not easy to get really consistent with it I am finding
[21:30:43] <Sync> and I cannot use filler on most stuff I do
[21:30:53] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight the Synchrowaves are very nice machines I understand
[21:31:01] <Wolf_> yeah, I did my tig cert in the idea to build roll cages for rock trucks
[21:31:27] <Sync> tigging cages? that's pretty uncommon over the pond
[21:31:30] <_methods> yeah i tried to get a syncrowave or little dynasty
[21:31:32] <PetefromTn_> everything there is mostly just exhaust and intake stuff
[21:31:38] <_methods> but they always go for at least $1k
[21:31:43] <Wolf_> so far I have welded everything but a damn roll cage
[21:31:46] <_methods> so i got that ltec for $400 lol
[21:31:47] <zeeshan|2> Sync: that sux!
[21:31:59] <PetefromTn_> I would give you 400 for it ;)
[21:32:07] <Sync> zeeshan|2: shimmed it to 30mm
[21:32:10] <_methods> no way i just got it lol
[21:32:35] <Wolf_> I need to fire up my dynasty and see if it still works
[21:32:41] <PetefromTn_> the only thing that sucks about these older machines is they do not have pulsing and a lot of frequency adjustments
[21:32:47] <Sync> and tracked down a bearing that has the proper diameters
[21:33:02] <Sync> I find pulsing with the pedal is easier, for me
[21:33:27] <PetefromTn_> pulsing at high rates helps aluminum welds it seems
[21:33:50] <Wolf_> it does help
[21:34:05] <Sync> I usually crank up the frequency
[21:34:12] <Wolf_> tho my dx has more settings then I know what to do with
[21:34:25] <PetefromTn_> high freq on aluminum really helps clean the weld in aluminum
[21:34:32] <Sync> and that keeps the arc nice and tight
[21:34:33] <PetefromTn_> it sure does
[21:34:41] <Sync> but never tried to add pulse
[21:34:44] <PetefromTn_> my machine does not have that
[21:34:44] <_methods> yeah the last auction had a 200dx but it went for like $1200
[21:34:54] <_methods> i was too poor to get it lol
[21:34:54] <PetefromTn_> thats not a bad price
[21:35:16] <_methods> yeah
[21:35:16] <Wolf_> I think thats not much under what I paid for mine new….
[21:35:21] <Sync> for al I usually go to 300Hz or something
[21:35:27] <PetefromTn_> I would not mind a later synchro that has pulsing/high freq
[21:35:37] <Wolf_> but… that was 10 years ago lol
[21:35:56] <_methods> yeah there were like 3 350 syncrowaves but they all went for around $2k
[21:36:06] <PetefromTn_> your dx is over ten years old?
[21:36:08] <_methods> which also was outside of my budget
[21:36:35] <PetefromTn_> I thought they were newer than that
[21:37:29] <_methods> i think a new 200dx goes for like $2400 now or so
[21:37:31] <_methods> not sure
[21:38:02] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/tls/5308662279.html Lincoln square wave tig 350 and cool arc 40 water cooler - $1100
[21:38:14] <_methods> oh lawd i'm way off
[21:38:20] <_methods> they go for like $3k
[21:38:21] <Wolf_> I have no idea what I paid, invoice is in my desk at the other shop...
[21:39:07] <CaptHindsight> ^^ I think thats the Lincoln equivalent of the synchrowave
[21:39:41] <Wolf_> yeah, I got my 200dx mid 2004
[21:39:57] <Sync> Wolf_: is it common to build cages out of crmo over there or why would you tig them?
[21:40:32] <PetefromTn_> most cages are not chromo
[21:40:32] <Wolf_> I was looking at being able to do crmo if needed
[21:40:45] <PetefromTn_> unless you are in nascar or something
[21:41:07] <Wolf_> but mostly tig so I wouldnt have to worry about setting cars on fire with spatter
[21:41:27] <Sync> I found that tig is a bitch in a car, as you are always out of position
[21:42:12] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/tls/5314533773.html a deal if you're in northern Indiana
[21:42:14] <PetefromTn_> I honestly can't imagine doing it without a tig in a car
[21:42:14] <Wolf_> yup, 98% of the time I’m using my miller 210 glue gun
[21:42:21] <CaptHindsight> Miller Syncrowave 180 SD TIG Welder w/ Accessories & Transformer - $1000
[21:42:41] <Sync> well, lots of crmo in drag racing from what I see, which I don't understand
[21:42:52] <Wolf_> weight
[21:43:04] <Sync> post weld treatment is so finicky that I'd rather have mild steel there
[21:43:45] <PetefromTn_> most of the crawler rollcages and drag car cages I have seen done around here are just DOM tube
[21:47:19] <Sync> usually it is 40x2mm with the main hoop being 45x2.5mm with min yield 450N/mm²
[21:49:41] <Sync> usually 1.0570
[21:50:29] <PetefromTn_> they use a lot of 1 3/4 and 1 5/8 here
[21:50:57] <PetefromTn_> gussets can be smaller but most stuff is one of those sizes depending on the overall weight of the vehicle
[21:51:00] <Sync> that's pretty thin
[21:51:10] <PetefromTn_> thin?
[21:51:18] <Sync> or rather small, diameter wise
[21:51:32] <PetefromTn_> I guess
[21:51:47] <PetefromTn_> seem pretty big when you try to stuff it in the car LOL
[21:52:08] <Sync> no shit
[21:52:11] <Sync> try 45mm
[21:52:22] <Wolf_> 1.75” sounds right, I think thats one of the dies I have for my bender
[21:52:44] <PetefromTn_> 45 mm pretty much IS 1 3/4 LOL
[21:52:49] <Sync> err, yeah
[21:52:57] <Sync> just typed it into my calculator
[21:52:59] <Sync> and was like wat
[21:53:01] <Wolf_> lol
[21:53:06] <Sync> yeah, sounds about right
[21:53:12] <PetefromTn_> I know LOL
[21:53:33] <PetefromTn_> I built my own rollcages and bars in my own rock crawling samurai's
[21:53:37] <Sync> I somehow just parsed the 1"
[21:53:43] <Sync> and thought eh, that's pretty skinny
[21:53:51] <PetefromTn_> but I have never put one in someone else's car
[21:53:54] <Sync> because I have seen people try that...
[21:54:01] <Wolf_> maybe next summer I’ll finally use my bender lmao (after 11yrs of owning it)
[21:54:09] <PetefromTn_> I usually used 1 5/8 in the zuks
[21:54:27] <PetefromTn_> I built what they call a Family rollcage for the rear passengers
[21:54:30] <Sync> I need to get a mandrel bender :/
[21:54:44] <PetefromTn_> I built my own awhile back but never got around to buying dies for it LOL
[21:55:02] <PetefromTn_> so I got tired of it sitting there and sold it
[21:55:11] <PetefromTn_> I need to make another one now hehe
[21:56:18] <Wolf_> I want to do a hydraulic conversion to mine
[21:56:48] <PetefromTn_> jd2?
[21:56:55] <Wolf_> pro-tools
[21:57:08] <PetefromTn_> aah about the same thing
[21:57:13] <Wolf_> yup
[21:58:10] <zeeshan|2> jd^2 win
[21:59:18] <Sync> I always feel like they pinch the tubes too much, but I guess they are fine
[21:59:29] <Wolf_> http://www.pro-tools.com/products/manual-tube-and-pipe-bender-105-heavy-duty-package is what I have
[21:59:56] <zeeshan|2> Sync: dont use thin wall :P
[22:00:00] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/a/pXybv this is the one I built but sold
[22:00:26] <Sync> but thickwall weights a ton zeeshan|2 :P
[22:00:36] <_methods> i need to make one of those
[22:00:36] <zeeshan|2> death sucks
[22:00:43] <PetefromTn_> I built that awhile ago when I first got the Tig
[22:00:56] <zeeshan|2> weight is okay at the cost of death prevention
[22:00:56] <PetefromTn_> _methods there is not much to it really
[22:00:57] <zeeshan|2> :)
[22:01:04] <Sync> yes, but not more than needed
[22:01:04] <_methods> you gotta buy the dies for it though right?
[22:01:06] <PetefromTn_> hey zeeshan|2
[22:01:10] <PetefromTn_> sure
[22:01:12] <Sync> and more than 2mm tubing is not really needed
[22:01:13] <zeeshan|2> i like chromoly for that reason
[22:01:14] <zeeshan|2> its light
[22:01:17] <PetefromTn_> that is the most expensive part
[22:01:23] <zeeshan|2> and if you tig it well, it is awesome
[22:01:32] <_methods> yeah i could probably make them i guess
[22:01:36] <zeeshan|2> hi pete
[22:01:36] <_methods> i think i've seen prints for them
[22:01:43] <PetefromTn_> yeah you probably could
[22:01:50] <Sync> yeah, but I'm wary of the heat effects on the material
[22:01:51] <PetefromTn_> for the dies?
[22:01:51] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: holy cow man
[22:01:54] <zeeshan|2> that's a serious bender
[22:01:56] <Sync> seen too many cages crack at the weld
[22:01:58] <zeeshan|2> puts jd2 to shame
[22:02:08] <Sync> even "pro" ones
[22:02:10] <_methods> yeah prints for dies
[22:02:16] <PetefromTn_> it would have been nice I think if I ever used it
[22:02:29] <PetefromTn_> dies don't really need prints
[22:02:42] <PetefromTn_> just whatever size and whatever radii
[22:02:43] <zeeshan|2> Sync: yea its pretty easy to change the composition of chromoly to be brittle around weld
[22:02:55] <_methods> well distance from pivot to the radius
[22:03:00] <zeeshan|2> gotta let that stuff cool down slow!
[22:03:12] <_methods> the prints weren't exactly complicated lol
[22:03:36] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zXdW_o47Sw
[22:03:46] <PetefromTn_> that is what mine WOULD have looked like finished
[22:03:52] <Sync> that's pretty hard to do in a car, imho
[22:03:59] <PetefromTn_> I think I had like a hundred bucks in steel in it
[22:04:07] <Sync> people try to heat it with a flame, but meh
[22:04:09] <PetefromTn_> and another 50 bucks in pins etc.
[22:04:11] <Sync> I'm not trusting that
[22:04:35] <Sync> I rather accept the weight penalty st52 gives me
[22:04:46] <PetefromTn_> I actually drilled the holes but now I would machine the arms in the Cinci
[22:05:22] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 hey man critique my Tig welds for me :D
[22:09:03] <zeeshan|2> link
[22:09:16] <PetefromTn_> sec
[22:09:43] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/B4hv6Fu.jpg
[22:10:14] <zeeshan|2> looks great!
[22:10:14] <PetefromTn_> https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/for/5249191377.html nice machine
[22:10:33] <PetefromTn_> honestly don't play with me man :D
[22:10:35] <zeeshan|2> im more impressed by the surface finish and engraving though
[22:10:35] <zeeshan|2> haha
[22:10:58] <PetefromTn_> heh surface finish could be a lot better actually
[22:11:02] <zeeshan|2> are you using 309l
[22:11:03] <PetefromTn_> I had JUST got the new facemill
[22:11:06] <zeeshan|2> at the stainless to mild steel flange?
[22:11:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[22:11:12] <Wolf_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoUyFcDA27M
[22:11:24] <zeeshan|2> nice
[22:11:24] <PetefromTn_> and the T4 flange is actually stainless tho
[22:12:13] <PetefromTn_> It not Toxicfab ;)
[22:12:22] <zeeshan|2> its really good in my eyes
[22:13:37] <PetefromTn_> its the best I have been able to do so far
[22:14:20] <PetefromTn_> I am REALLY trying to improve both for me and for the guys at the shop
[22:18:23] <PetefromTn_> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/302515299942539689/
[22:19:16] <zeeshan|2> jeeez
[22:19:20] <zeeshan|2> okay i need to sleep :D
[22:19:31] <PetefromTn_> Gn8 man
[22:20:59] <PetefromTn_> http://www.toxicfab.com/ this guys is amazing
[22:22:47] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4gC-L8ELso
