#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-11-14

[01:15:18] <maxcnc> hi all seams all gone to sleep
[01:15:24] <maxcnc> pcw_home: still awake
[01:17:17] <maxcnc> Rap2_: are you one
[01:18:52] <maxcnc> Rap2_: Deckel got realy good stuff for serial communication towards fanuc search fr Maho500E Programming and you will find it
[01:19:33] <maxcnc> ok im going to work will maybe log in from the mashine itself if i cand make it working today
[02:21:04] <Deejay> moin
[03:30:28] <XXCoder> check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNvoFTV5tIE
[03:54:40] <smainj> help
[03:55:19] <XXCoder> wow that was long and detailed.
[04:03:31] <archivist> strange expectations of IRC
[04:03:40] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:04:05] <XXCoder> or he or she or it is part of homo telepathitis and expected us to read mind
[04:05:48] <XXCoder> what the hell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0k04hjdYuQ
[04:18:09] <Jymmmm> XXCoder: http://www.igwmbh.de/en/expertise/vibration-welding/bielomatik-k3215.html
[04:18:37] <XXCoder> cool
[04:18:48] <XXCoder> I do wonder on strength of joint
[04:18:58] <XXCoder> if its weaker than bglue then really no point
[04:19:06] <Jymmmm> The machine is real, the video is probably marketing hype
[04:19:38] <XXCoder> article has people talking about it and theres links to more info but whatever
[04:19:52] <Jymmmm> for wood?
[04:19:57] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:20:19] <Jymmmm> I didn't see anything else about wood,
[04:20:32] <XXCoder> hackaday article
[04:20:48] <Jymmmm> all i saw was the video link
[04:20:56] <XXCoder> yeah getting it a sec
[04:21:50] <XXCoder> http://hackaday.com/2015/11/08/friction-welding-wood/
[04:22:37] <Jymmmm> http://web.utk.edu/~mtaylo29/pages/Wood%20welding.htm
[04:23:05] <XXCoder> nice!
[04:24:06] <XXCoder> yet another discovery by accient. vulcanized rubber is another
[04:24:24] <Jymmmm> A:: discoveries are by accident
[04:24:28] <Jymmmm> ALL*
[04:25:11] <XXCoder> http://hackaday.com/2015/11/05/spark-plug-lights-the-darkness/
[04:25:18] <XXCoder> pretty cool
[04:34:48] <Jymmmm> Refill aerosol cans... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mimSDtqljMA
[04:35:05] <XXCoder> nice
[04:36:48] <XXCoder> looks pretty strightforward so far.
[04:37:37] <Jymmmm> paint is like $7/can now, if you got a dud, might be a quick fix
[04:38:03] <XXCoder> wonder if can build refiller too, inject whatever material like wd40
[04:38:11] <XXCoder> because non-pressured bulk wd40 cheaper
[04:38:14] <BitEvil> Jymmmm: not quite true.
[04:38:23] <BitEvil> Jymmmm: you can suspect something is true, and go searching for it.
[04:39:12] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: goony goo goo
[04:39:39] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z13qnzUQwuI
[04:40:36] <XXCoder> Jymmm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTBi3pkC5FE
[04:40:42] <XXCoder> not only air but also wd40
[04:42:20] <Jymmm> XXCoder: That last video he's refilling it with butane
[04:42:37] <XXCoder> oh
[04:42:53] <Jymmm> instead of compressed air
[04:43:11] <XXCoder> but does he inject wd40?
[04:43:23] <Jymmm> No
[04:43:41] <Jymmm> WD40 cans somtimes run out of air before running out of product
[04:44:56] <Jymmm> XXCoder: There are refillable cans http://www.woodturningvideosplus.com/images/spray-gun-gang3.jpg
[04:46:11] <XXCoder> nice
[05:09:34] <XXCoder> jeez
[05:09:45] <XXCoder> they had so many dirty jokes in old comics. https://i.chzbgr.com/full/5270101248/h17619B1B/
[06:03:48] <plasma_ger> hi all
[06:03:57] <plasma_ger> pcw_home: ? online
[06:04:05] <XXCoder> hey 4th state of matter
[06:05:27] <plasma_ger> pcw ? onine on communication problems
[06:08:54] <plasma_ger> i updated with sauccess all the cards to newest softwar and now it does not run
[06:09:03] <plasma_ger> hm2/hm2_5i25.0: Smart serial card hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0 error = (13) Communication error
[06:09:15] <plasma_ger> hm2/hm2_5i25.0: Smart serial card hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0 error = (4) Extra character
[06:09:29] <plasma_ger> The mashine itself runs perfect
[06:09:43] <plasma_ger> till the plasma firers up then it craches
[06:19:01] <JT-Mint> it's mighty early on the west coast
[06:19:27] <archivist> he has left again, never waits
[06:19:30] <XXCoder> heh he dont leave much of time for pcw to answer eh
[06:19:40] <JT-Mint> lol
[06:19:51] <XXCoder> 6 whole minutes wow
[06:19:54] * JT-Mint has to find a different keyboard
[06:20:02] <JT-Mint> I'm liking mint
[06:20:05] <archivist> a minty fresh one?
[06:20:15] <JT-Mint> a well behaved one
[06:20:22] <XXCoder> mint flavored mint
[06:32:48] <XXCoder> mint in native tea
[06:42:23] <XXCoder> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/czur-scanner-build-your-own-digital-library#/
[06:42:24] <XXCoder> whoa
[06:48:52] <magnifikus> so if i want to create the perfect fitted fpga based stepper controller for linuxcnc
[06:49:06] <magnifikus> how much features i need?
[06:49:25] <magnifikus> like full ramp generator or even waypoints?
[06:49:37] <magnifikus> dunno how deep i can dig into hal
[06:50:08] <SpeedEvil> 'perfect' would involve full HAL really
[06:50:20] <SpeedEvil> that is - support for everything including rigid tapping and ...
[06:50:32] <magnifikus> im running a zynq atm, so its sits in memory space
[06:51:06] <SpeedEvil> At the least, you'd want to support ramps, and multi-axis commonalities.
[06:51:25] <SpeedEvil> To do things like rigid-tapping and such.
[06:51:47] <magnifikus> currently im thinking about multi axis synchronous ramps
[06:51:54] <magnifikus> that shouldnt be that hard
[06:52:13] <magnifikus> also thinking about an optional spi interface to just use a spartan3/6 with pi/odroid
[06:52:15] <magnifikus> over spi
[06:52:16] <SpeedEvil> And probably supports for things like overtorque inputs
[06:52:19] <SpeedEvil> which gets complex
[06:52:44] <magnifikus> overtorque can be interesting, because the tmc5130a got a stallguard feature
[06:52:46] <SpeedEvil> - what to do if a tap or tool is going to break
[06:52:48] <magnifikus> that reports shaft load
[06:53:45] <magnifikus> ah rigid tapping is chip breaking based on overtorque while drilling?
[06:54:58] <magnifikus> ah no sry threading
[06:56:16] <magnifikus> okay will dig into hal then, using picnc2 but that looks like just stepwidth updates
[06:56:24] <magnifikus> so accel done by linuxcnc/hal
[06:56:27] <SpeedEvil> Rigid tapping is actively controlling tap advance and another axis to rotate the tap
[06:56:51] <SpeedEvil> So that it moves along the thread path without requiring any slop or free movement
[06:57:03] <magnifikus> the thought about that earlier, because we need to thread about 200 M2 holes
[06:57:11] <magnifikus> and factor human is expensive for our university lab
[06:57:22] <magnifikus> if he breaks a tool every 30 holes
[06:57:38] <_methods> you'll break more than that with a homemade cnc on m2 taps
[06:57:53] <magnifikus> hey its an good old isel cnc
[06:57:55] <_methods> better buy lots of extras lol
[06:57:55] <SpeedEvil> m2 in what?
[06:58:02] <magnifikus> aluminium
[06:58:10] <_methods> snap central
[06:58:19] <SpeedEvil> Properly size the drilled holes, and put a lubricated bolt in
[06:58:26] <SpeedEvil> sort-of-kidding
[06:58:45] <magnifikus> its the housing for our radar hf stuff
[06:58:57] <SpeedEvil> Use a different fixture
[06:59:00] <SpeedEvil> Rivet, ...
[06:59:16] <magnifikus> but the threading is more like a dream right now .)
[06:59:29] <magnifikus> running with this cheap china stepper drivers and picnc2
[06:59:53] <magnifikus> works well that is suprising, but i want to build something proper now
[07:00:39] <magnifikus> so dig into hal howto interface :)
[07:01:14] <SpeedEvil> There was a related effort on linuxcnc accelleration on the PRUs of the BBB - look thatup
[07:05:53] <magnifikus> still need to figure out howto get the about 100 config variables to the motor driver
[07:06:09] <magnifikus> maybe a eeprom on beside the fpga and serial interface to tune it
[07:06:34] <magnifikus> lets see
[07:06:44] <archivist> just need to see how the mesa cards talk to linuxcnc
[07:09:55] <magnifikus> ethernet spi or pci i see
[07:12:00] <magnifikus> oh and parport indeed
[07:45:03] <maxcnc> hi ;-)
[07:45:49] <maxcnc> magnifikus: cheep china is quit good with the default setup
[07:46:08] <magnifikus> but not this 5amp 20€ drivers
[07:46:13] <maxcnc> pcw_home: on ?
[07:46:27] <magnifikus> 2 went smoke after a week
[07:46:45] <magnifikus> so our z-axis is now fullstep lm298 driven
[07:46:51] <maxcnc> oh smoke is quit good for resellers#
[07:47:00] <magnifikus> sounds like crushed gears
[07:47:15] <magnifikus> problem was, we mounted them on a big heatsink
[07:47:18] <maxcnc> why not halfsteppig
[07:47:23] <magnifikus> didnt help voided warant
[07:47:25] <magnifikus> y
[07:47:30] <maxcnc> i did some good ald stuff on that
[07:47:33] <magnifikus> or halfstep not sure
[07:47:41] <magnifikus> sounds horrible
[07:47:45] <maxcnc> agree
[07:48:00] <magnifikus> my tmc5130a run at 264 microsteps now
[07:48:05] <maxcnc> its the acceleration that makes the main noice
[07:48:18] <magnifikus> got them upto 10rev/s with fpga based step puleses
[07:48:21] <maxcnc> Did you intervent the board frequency
[07:48:28] <maxcnc> i had that on the tb6560
[07:48:30] <Jymmm> Used aircraft tug, Towing Capacity: 175,000 lbs
[07:49:12] <magnifikus> so i guess best is to create own stepgen take the position-cmd and forward that to the fpga
[07:49:21] <magnifikus> providing position-feedback
[07:49:31] <magnifikus> digging deeper into the TP isnt good i guess
[07:49:36] <magnifikus> like queueing
[07:53:09] <maxcnc> someone knows if i can fallback from 2.8master to 2.54 the base install
[07:55:00] <maxcnc> going out for i bikeride
[08:01:30] * jthornton thinks that tomorrow will be a good day to caulk the siding
[08:03:52] <Jymmm> 80% Chance of rain with highs of 43F
[08:12:26] <Guest83797> getting super frustrated with this vfd
[08:12:40] <Jymmm> LICK IT
[08:13:16] <chuckbob> linuxcnc is outputting the correct voltages on the two lines going to it, however, the vfd is going straight to 400hz
[08:13:39] <chuckbob> and when measuring the output from the vfd analog terminals, the voltage is 9.4vdc
[08:13:54] <jthornton> what kind of vfd?
[08:14:07] <chuckbob> hitachi wj200
[08:15:00] <chuckbob> with the spindle output set to zero in linuxcnc, this still happens
[08:15:30] <chuckbob> if I touch the reference ground wire, the spindle stops
[08:15:37] <jthornton> you get 9.4v when M5 is current
[08:16:16] <chuckbob> with the wires disconnected from the vfd, everything works as advertised
[08:16:32] <chuckbob> i can click the +/- spindle speed buttons in the gui and see the increase/decrease
[08:17:20] <jthornton> is the vfd set up to take analog voltage and enable?
[08:17:31] <jthornton> just guessing here
[08:18:09] <chuckbob> yes, using the manual enable as I don't have my 7i37 set up yet
[08:18:15] <chuckbob> manual enable with a voltage input
[08:19:29] <jthornton> for troubleshooting try using a 1.5v battery and see if the vfd is set up properly
[08:19:37] <chuckbob> it is, been there, done that
[08:19:59] <chuckbob> i get about 55hz-ish
[08:23:13] <jthornton> so there is nothing wrong with the vfd
[08:23:22] * Tom_itx wonders of jthornton has a power hydraulic caulker
[08:24:16] <chuckbob> right
[08:24:29] <chuckbob> confusing part.. I had this running over a year ago and dismantled it
[08:24:30] <jthornton> yea manual power caulker
[08:24:31] <Tom_itx> morning
[08:24:34] <chuckbob> i remember having an issue then
[08:24:44] <chuckbob> and thought somebody had told me to install a resistor somewhere on the input
[08:24:44] <jthornton> morning Tom_itx
[08:25:19] <jthornton> none of my spindles use analog voltage so I don't have an example near by
[08:25:33] <Tom_itx> hmm, all pwm?
[08:25:41] <jthornton> are you using a 5i20?
[08:26:02] <jthornton> one is a servo drive so that is analog come to think of it
[08:26:20] <chuckbob> 4i65
[08:26:49] <chuckbob> should be same as the 5i20
[08:27:27] <jthornton> I can copy my spindle section of the CHNC if that would help
[08:27:54] <chuckbob> i don't think that is an issue.. as I can see the voltage increase/decrease with the wires disconencted
[08:28:10] <jthornton> ok
[08:28:14] <chuckbob> appreciate it though
[08:31:07] <archivist> measure each end of your wires to a common reference
[08:34:18] <chuckbob> the aout wire measures 0V to all of the other aout references on board
[08:35:06] <archivist> yes but at vfd? is it open?
[08:39:46] <chuckbob> at the vfd, measuring the analog in wire, with it disconnected, measures 0v back to all gnds on the 7i33
[08:39:48] <zeeshan> morning
[08:40:35] <chuckbob> this can't be too complicated, simple wiring to this thing
[08:40:40] <chuckbob> two damn wires
[08:42:03] <chuckbob> jthornton: would you post your spindle section? Will just make sure of this
[08:42:32] <zeeshan> chuckbob: question
[08:42:32] <jthornton> yea, just a moment
[08:42:40] <zeeshan> how are you testing your vfd?
[08:42:48] <chuckbob> i have tested it with a AA battery
[08:42:51] <zeeshan> are you using mdi or manually triggering the analg output
[08:43:01] <chuckbob> just did it again, got 44hz
[08:43:20] <zeeshan> (from linuxcnc)
[08:43:54] <chuckbob> so the issue is, with a fresh reboot, I open up linuxcnc... the minute i press run from the vfd, it goes immediately to 400hz
[08:43:59] <zeeshan> okay
[08:44:03] <archivist> does the voltage vary from the analogue output
[08:44:07] <zeeshan> can you do me a favor?
[08:44:12] <zeeshan> you should bypass linuxcnc
[08:44:12] <chuckbob> absolutely
[08:44:14] <zeeshan> go into hal
[08:44:19] <zeeshan> and directly set the voltage for that analog output
[08:44:20] <zeeshan> and see what happens
[08:44:28] <zeeshan> to eliminate linuxcnc configuration as an issue
[08:44:48] <chuckbob> i'm somewhat new to that.. just a quick overview
[08:45:15] <chuckbob> just halrun
[08:45:26] <zeeshan> yes, but you need to initialize mesa hardware
[08:45:33] <zeeshan> im trying to find out where i stored th commands
[08:45:43] <zeeshan> andypugh has done it so much that he's memorized it lol
[08:47:08] <zeeshan> so halrun; then
[08:47:13] <zeeshan> loadrt hostmot2
[08:47:26] <zeeshan> addf hm2_5i25.0.write servo-thread
[08:47:34] <zeeshan> er sorry
[08:47:38] <zeeshan> addf hm2_5i25.0.read servo-thread
[08:47:46] <zeeshan> then addf hm2_5i25.0.write servo-thread
[08:48:00] <zeeshan> addf hm2_5i25.0.write servo-thread
[08:48:04] <zeeshan> then do show pin to see if it worked
[08:49:19] <zeeshan> then before you can manually trigger your analog outputs
[08:49:57] <zeeshan> you will need to set hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogena to true/1
[08:50:19] <jthornton> he has a 4i65
[08:50:19] <zeeshan> (or similar)
[08:52:34] <chuckbob> when i addf hm2_4i65.0.read servo-thread, i get a not found
[08:52:58] <chuckbob> the loadrt hostmot2 isn't an issue
[08:53:09] <zeeshan> wont be since thats just a generic driver for mesa stuff
[08:53:27] <chuckbob> do i need to use hm2_pci or anything similar
[08:53:31] <chuckbob> or just hostmot2
[08:53:57] <zeeshan> i'm not sure of the commands on how to power up your 4i65
[08:54:36] <jthornton> should be the same as a 5i20
[08:54:55] <chuckbob> pretty sure you have to loadrt hm2_pci
[08:56:00] <jthornton> getting the file now
[08:56:17] <chuckbob> hell if i know
[08:56:37] <chuckbob> the thing is, the spindle runs whether or not linuxcnc is open
[08:57:23] <chuckbob> i have a fwd/run switch.. i turn it on, and without the analog input wires connected, it sits there
[08:57:36] <chuckbob> if i connect the wires, it goes to 400hz
[08:58:09] <chuckbob> the wires are run twisted pair with a shield.. the shield only connects to the vfd
[08:58:19] <chuckbob> with the ref/gnd wire
[08:58:32] <chuckbob> if i touch that shield, it goes back to 0hz
[09:01:50] <jthornton> http://pastebin.ca/3252665
[09:02:24] <archivist> he already has xyz running iirc this is just vfd
[09:02:34] <chuckbob> yes, everything else works great
[09:03:03] <archivist> this touching and going back to 0 smells of wiring errors
[09:03:18] <zeeshan> its good to eliminate config
[09:03:20] <archivist> where abouts are you
[09:03:22] <zeeshan> bypassing it first :P
[09:03:36] <zeeshan> there you go that config shows you how to enable :D
[09:04:01] <chuckbob> I would think wiring, but there really is nothing to it
[09:04:22] <zeeshan> its just 2 wires :P
[09:04:27] <chuckbob> on the 7i33, on the 4th "axis" there are only two wires.. drv3 and gnd
[09:05:11] <chuckbob> what daughterboard are you using jthornton
[09:05:11] <zeeshan> i got my aout5 going to vrf2
[09:05:16] <zeeshan> and gnd to com
[09:05:21] <zeeshan> wj200 is very similar to my drive
[09:05:37] <chuckbob> the drive has H,O,OI,L
[09:05:50] <chuckbob> H is the 10vdc reference voltage for a pot, O is the voltage input
[09:06:01] <chuckbob> OI is the current input, and L is the reference ground
[09:06:09] <zeeshan> i know you got the right pins
[09:06:13] <zeeshan> before of your 1.5v battery test
[09:06:17] <chuckbob> right
[09:06:20] <zeeshan> its something from the mesa card
[09:06:22] <zeeshan> or config
[09:06:43] <zeeshan> to eliminate mesa card you gotta manually set your analogoutput voltage for that pin
[09:06:46] <zeeshan> and measure w/ volt meter
[09:06:59] <chuckbob> right, that's the issue now
[09:07:03] <zeeshan> if it's correct, you can eliminate card pinouts, and look into software config
[09:07:21] <chuckbob> let me reboot that computer and not even open linuxcnc
[09:07:32] <chuckbob> never initialize the card
[09:07:41] <zeeshan> according to jt's link for that config
[09:07:50] <zeeshan> you pretty much gotta write all those lines upto watchdog to enable your card
[09:09:47] <chuckbob> so, just rebooted, spindle ramps to 400hz
[09:09:54] <zeeshan> lol
[09:10:00] <chuckbob> red lights still on 4i65
[09:10:06] <zeeshan> do it manually! :P
[09:10:18] <chuckbob> that's about where i'm at
[09:10:31] <chuckbob> just with I could remember what made this work
[09:10:39] <chuckbob> I have a 7i48 I could throw at it
[09:10:46] <chuckbob> but takes a bit to rewire from a 7i33 to a 7i48
[09:10:52] <chuckbob> and the rest of the machine is great
[09:12:01] <chuckbob> or, look for a new vfd
[09:12:14] <chuckbob> and machine
[09:12:16] <chuckbob> and computer
[09:12:18] <chuckbob> and life
[09:12:54] <chuckbob> just strange that once connected to the vfd, i get 10 volts on the analog output monitor line
[09:14:30] <zeeshan> nothing wrong with vfd
[09:14:34] <chuckbob> i know
[09:14:37] <zeeshan> it takes a lot to blow one up
[09:14:50] <chuckbob> wish i could remember this resistor issue
[09:15:03] <chuckbob> i had it in a bag of stuff when I moved... can't find it now
[09:15:15] <zeeshan> did you try manually setting the voltage
[09:15:17] <zeeshan> through linuxcnc?
[09:15:30] <chuckbob> where can I do that
[09:15:34] <zeeshan> in halrun
[09:15:53] <chuckbob> lol, can't get halrun to even show the pins
[09:16:57] <zeeshan> http://pastebin.ca/3252665 0 to 11 from this config
[09:17:09] <zeeshan> but replace it with 4i65
[09:17:38] <zeeshan> CONFIG="firmware=hm2/4i65/SVST8_4.BIT num_encoders=0 num_pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=3"
[09:17:39] <zeeshan> for example
[09:17:57] <zeeshan> er i messed up the number of pwmgens
[09:18:11] <chuckbob> yup, got it
[09:18:13] <chuckbob> will return
[09:19:37] <zeeshan> now that i look at it in detail, you only need lines 9 to 11
[09:22:03] <chuckbob> right, i got it all
[09:22:07] <chuckbob> can show the pins
[09:22:20] <zeeshan> nice
[09:22:30] <chuckbob> now what... haha
[09:23:36] <zeeshan> can you type the output on pastebin?
[09:23:38] <zeeshan> or is it a diff comp
[09:23:46] <chuckbob> different comp with no internet
[09:24:52] <zeeshan> which pin is the spindle stuff connected to
[09:25:00] <zeeshan> physically
[09:27:29] <chuckbob> 47 and 48 on the 7i33
[09:28:26] <chuckbob> see.. that's pin 37 to the 4i65
[09:28:29] <chuckbob> pwm3
[09:28:53] <zeeshan> maybe try setting hm2_5i20.0.pwmgen.02.value to like 1.5
[09:28:57] <zeeshan> and see if you get 1.5v output
[09:29:16] <zeeshan> 5i20 being replaced with 4i65 i guess :P
[09:29:27] <zeeshan> im not sure if it starts at 00
[09:29:32] <zeeshan> or 01, so it could be 02 or 03.
[09:29:49] <chuckbob> should be 3
[09:30:05] <chuckbob> so, just set hm2_4i65.0.pwmgen.03.value 1.5
[09:30:10] <zeeshan> yes
[09:31:00] <zeeshan> hm2_4i65.0.pwmgen.02.enable should be set to 1
[09:31:07] <zeeshan> so it'll actually be enabled
[09:31:16] <zeeshan> 03 .!!!
[09:33:58] <chuckbob> i enabled it
[09:34:08] <chuckbob> sent the command to set it to type 3
[09:34:13] <chuckbob> set to 1.5
[09:34:16] <chuckbob> got nothing
[09:34:27] <zeeshan> got nothing w/ a volt meter?
[09:34:31] <chuckbob> nothing
[09:34:36] <chuckbob> with a volt meter
[09:35:34] <chuckbob> setp hm2_4i65.0.pwmgen.03.output-type 3
[09:35:43] <chuckbob> setp hm2_5i64.0.pwmgen.03.enable 1
[09:35:56] <chuckbob> ignore the 5i64.. it was right on the other computer
[09:36:18] <chuckbob> and then setp hm2_4i65.pwmgen.03.value 1.5
[09:36:47] <zeeshan> i think output type should be 2
[09:37:07] <chuckbob> i think on the 7i33 it is 3... everything else in that hal is set to 3
[09:37:11] <chuckbob> but I can try it
[09:39:25] <chuckbob> no change
[09:39:37] <zeeshan> =[
[09:40:01] <archivist> no change to what
[09:41:02] <PetefromTn_> mornin'
[09:41:30] <chuckbob> didn't change the output at the meter
[09:41:36] <chuckbob> tried setting the pwm value to 5
[09:41:38] <chuckbob> and 9
[09:42:20] <zeeshan> hi pete
[09:42:55] <PetefromTn_> hey zeesh
[09:46:36] <Deejay> hi pete
[09:49:23] <PetefromTn_> Hey Deejay
[09:53:30] <zeeshan> ·ポンフ°·ア°ーリをSS丁て⼂
[09:53:37] <zeeshan> er
[09:54:17] <maxcnc> hi all someone seen pcw around today
[09:54:34] <chuckbob> as long as I keep touching that shield wire, I can manipulate the rpm in linuxcnc no problem
[09:54:46] <chuckbob> i'm going to hire my son stand there and hold it
[09:55:57] <maxcnc> chuckbob: then take al ong cabel with you
[09:56:12] <maxcnc> sounds like grounding problem
[09:56:15] <chuckbob> it will give him something to do
[09:56:22] <chuckbob> i know maxcnc
[10:01:46] <archivist> that shows a wiring problem
[10:09:09] <chuckbob> so.. getting outlandish with troubleshooting
[10:09:27] <chuckbob> with the analog reference wire tied to the vfd chassis, everything works
[10:17:08] <maxcnc> chuck whats your nativ language
[10:17:51] <chuckbob> english
[10:18:07] <maxcnc> im off F1 qualifying till later hoping that pcw showes up sometime
[10:25:35] <archivist> so check conductivity of your wiring with the meter
[10:26:06] <archivist> real measurement not look at the wire
[10:49:40] <chuckbob> I have
[10:50:12] <chuckbob> every wire reads .2-.3 ohms
[10:58:26] <HSM> Is this wiring ok? https://www.dropbox.com/s/11m411nkrlygxf6/zggg.PNG?dl=0
[11:00:48] <HSM> For retrofit of Voest alpine W570 with indramat ac servo.
[11:01:17] <HSM> *lathe
[11:01:44] <PetefromTn_> I am working on much the same system now... CNC lathe 5i25/7i77 AC servos
[11:02:15] <HSM> what drivesystem?
[11:04:48] <HSM> Here are some retrofit pictures: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rg3w51rktaauyzv/AADowy_43xdzG0VXtvL4_1QQa?dl=0
[11:11:16] <HSM> .
[11:13:03] <zeeshan> man optical character recognition
[11:13:06] <zeeshan> is an awesome feature!!!!!!!!!!1
[11:13:17] <PetefromTn_> I am using DMM servos and drives
[11:13:21] <Tom_itx> scan your prints?
[11:13:32] <PetefromTn_> and on my Cincinatti Arrow 500 I used Teco servos and drives
[11:13:37] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: it literally converted al lthe japanese characters in scanned format to text
[11:13:43] <zeeshan> now i can copy and paste it into a translator
[11:13:46] <Tom_itx> haha
[11:13:47] <Tom_itx> cool
[11:13:50] <zeeshan> 電気配線図の構成/使用方法
[11:13:54] <zeeshan> for example i take that now
[11:14:06] <zeeshan> Configuration of an electrical wiring diagram / ​​Usage
[11:14:09] <zeeshan> google gives me that
[11:14:16] <Tom_itx> i think the japanese girl would have been easier
[11:15:44] <HSM> @PeterfromTn, with analog +-10V signal?
[11:16:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah both machines will be analog control
[11:16:21] <PetefromTn_> are
[11:17:20] <HSM> I just need the aout0 and GND for analog signal or?
[11:18:21] <HSM> Is there any problem with electric potential if I wire it like in the picture?
[11:18:47] <zeeshan> HSM YOUR
[11:18:48] <zeeshan> er
[11:18:56] <zeeshan> hsm you're right, just to aout and gnd
[11:19:13] <HSM> cool
[11:19:54] <HSM> somebody should take pictures like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/11m411nkrlygxf6/zggg.PNG?dl=0
[11:20:00] <PetefromTn_> WOW man just looked at your pictures
[11:20:11] <PetefromTn_> that is a VERY impressive design
[11:20:18] <HSM> in the linuxcnc tutorial for silly people (like me)
[11:20:20] <PetefromTn_> I love your belt drive
[11:21:52] <PetefromTn_> what kind of lathe is that HSM?
[11:21:53] <HSM> thank you! This time I wrote a building story in the german "peters cnc ecke" forum. After the basic retrofit I will write some in the linuxcnc forum
[11:22:13] <zeeshan> hsm
[11:22:14] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/abmmue9j5bwostk/Master%20Wiring%20Diagram.pdf?dl=0
[11:22:15] <PetefromTn_> very very nice
[11:22:24] <HSM> wait, i search a picture
[11:22:34] <zeeshan> maybe my wiring diagram can help answer some of the basic wiring q's
[11:22:52] <HSM> where can I find it?
[11:22:58] <zeeshan> that link
[11:22:59] <PetefromTn_> I love how everything is on the back of the carriage
[11:23:16] <PetefromTn_> or is that the front LOL
[11:23:44] <Tom_itx> i would have made the large pulley housing diameter big enough in case you need to change the belt
[11:24:00] <Tom_itx> doesn't look like there's room to do that
[11:24:14] <PetefromTn_> he left a little place to put your finger ;)
[11:24:25] <HSM> no, it´s the back
[11:24:41] <Tom_itx> the loop around the bottom is what i was talking about
[11:24:43] <PetefromTn_> so thats the headstock to the right in the photo then
[11:24:48] <HSM> there is enough space
[11:24:56] <HSM> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9ruu78iedxkzqns/IMG-20150802-WA0012.jpg?dl=0
[11:25:09] <PetefromTn_> looks like eccentric idlers loosen and then just pop the belt out to me man
[11:25:15] <HSM> the machine
[11:25:46] <PetefromTn_> so that is like a 16x60 or something?
[11:25:47] <HSM> i made the parts on dmc1035 https://www.dropbox.com/s/9657qrdgmp3lh5s/Unbenannt11.PNG?dl=0
[11:26:24] <HSM> peter, what do you mean?
[11:26:38] <PetefromTn_> size of the lathe?
[11:27:22] <zeeshan> cute lathe
[11:27:22] <zeeshan> :D
[11:27:30] <Tom_itx> hah
[11:27:36] <zeeshan> im such a dork
[11:27:37] <zeeshan> haha
[11:27:40] <PetefromTn_> what kind of chuck is that?
[11:27:48] <HSM_> zentra 350mm
[11:28:01] <zeeshan> i checked out that deckel fp50cc the other day
[11:28:03] <HSM_> cheap chuck for only 700€
[11:28:10] <zeeshan> moving that thing across this guys machine shop will be a major pain in the ass
[11:28:14] <zeeshan> theres 6 hbm's in the way
[11:28:18] <zeeshan> no wonder the guy wants 6k
[11:28:23] <zeeshan> he pwoered it up and showed everything worked
[11:28:42] <zeeshan> the machine footprint is 14' x 12' x 10'
[11:28:48] <zeeshan> its a monster
[11:28:52] <archivist> whole garage
[11:28:58] <zeeshan> not for my garage
[11:29:02] <PetefromTn_> HSM looking good man. please post your build on linuxCNC when you get a chance
[11:29:10] <HSM_> i will do
[11:29:27] <PetefromTn_> My machine is a flatbed lathe as well
[11:29:41] <HSM_> no later than i have problems with hal :-)
[11:30:37] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, table size?
[11:30:45] <Tom_itx> that was a mill you were looking at right?
[11:30:48] <zeeshan> ya
[11:30:53] <HSM_> flatbed is ok but i like slantbed more
[11:31:05] <PetefromTn_> I agree but it is what I have
[11:31:16] <HSM_> dito :-)
[11:31:20] <zeeshan> 1200x600x500 x y z
[11:31:41] <Tom_itx> decent size
[11:32:02] <zeeshan> we're not going to get it unless the guy will move it to his bay door for us to pick up
[11:32:13] <zeeshan> not worth the risk dropping it on one of his hbm's
[11:32:18] <Tom_itx> pita to move?
[11:32:27] <zeeshan> yea cause its at the very back of the machine shop
[11:32:32] <Tom_itx> hah
[11:32:32] <zeeshan> and lots of expensive machines in the way
[11:32:49] <Tom_itx> cut a hole in the wall
[11:32:51] <zeeshan> those machines cant be moved cause theyre built into the foundation
[11:33:13] <Tom_itx> yeah i saw one like that at a shop as they were installing it
[11:33:24] <Tom_itx> several pallet changers with conveyor etc
[11:33:29] <zeeshan> hehe
[11:33:31] <Tom_itx> they never used it to it's potential
[11:33:56] <HSM_> haha, in those days i wanted buy a big mazak flatbed cnc with 30kw spindle but there was only 30cm above the machine to the top of the room...
[11:33:58] <Tom_itx> you could schedule alot of jobs on it
[11:34:10] <zeeshan> lol hsm
[11:34:18] <zeeshan> dude this machine is really cool
[11:34:21] <zeeshan> with 1 g-code
[11:34:30] <Tom_itx> my bud's first one he had to cut a box in the rafters to fit the z motor
[11:34:31] <zeeshan> it goes from vertical to horizontal spindle
[11:34:36] <zeeshan> imagine the setups you can do with that..
[11:34:48] <Tom_itx> we layed it down to get under the door
[11:35:01] <archivist> a rotary table allows that :)
[11:35:31] <zeeshan> archivist: im thinking more along the lines of hexing the end of a shaft
[11:35:35] <zeeshan> and putting a keyway in it too :D
[11:35:46] <zeeshan> thats 8 feet long
[11:35:56] <archivist> I can do that with 5 axis
[11:36:01] <PetefromTn_> 3
[11:36:01] <Tom_itx> who needs an 8' keyway?
[11:36:07] <archivist> on short bits
[11:36:26] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: shaft is 8 ft long
[11:36:31] <archivist> Tom_itx, on a planer
[11:36:40] <Tom_itx> yeah i suppose
[11:36:46] <Sync> HSM_: why don't you come back to the stmbl channel ;)
[11:37:05] <HSM_> Busted :D
[11:37:22] <Tom_itx> no we haven't seen PCW
[11:37:46] <maxcnc> ;-) logs read the same
[11:38:02] <Sync> HSM_: you can try to hide :P
[11:38:03] <maxcnc> Tom what python is requierd for 2.7
[11:38:13] <magnifikus> am i stupid? i only see position-cmd going into step-gen
[11:38:21] <magnifikus> but nothing about velocity
[11:38:32] <Sync> I also need to visit you at some point :P
[11:38:39] <HSM_> sorry, i think my knowledge of stmbl issues are to bad...
[11:39:28] <Sync> so what?
[11:39:44] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_
[11:40:06] <Sync> or rather, what do you mean?
[11:40:09] <HSM_> i don´t want to trouble with some non stmbl shit
[11:40:18] <HSM_> *you
[11:40:44] <Sync> haha, that's no problem at all
[11:41:28] <Sync> one thing I wanted to tell you, if you try to make your own car, start with a power plant that at least achieves euro3
[11:41:34] <Sync> otherwise you will have a hard time
[11:41:53] <HSM_> yes i know :-)
[11:41:56] <HSM_> vw style
[11:41:57] <Jymmm> euro3?
[11:41:58] <HSM_> :D
[11:42:38] <Sync> currently that's a huge issue for the super 7 builders
[11:43:08] <HSM_> Jymm, exhaust gases rule in germany
[11:43:09] <Sync> so most of them are either buying frames with a COC and an s2000 powerplant
[11:43:21] <Sync> or get old vin plates out of old frames
[11:43:24] <Sync> or buy old frames :D
[11:43:37] <HSM_> yes
[11:44:37] <Sync> a few years ago, it did not matter at all
[11:45:05] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKYfqMhb6NU
[11:45:07] <zeeshan> how the atc
[11:45:13] <zeeshan> and vertical/horizontal spindle work
[11:45:14] <zeeshan> on the deckel
[11:45:22] <zeeshan> so fucking cool
[11:45:29] <zeeshan> specifically at 1min into vidfeo
[11:46:02] <HSM_> very cool and very easy to fail
[11:46:11] <HSM_> (for retrofit)
[11:46:17] <zeeshan> its a deckel!
[11:46:18] <zeeshan> :D
[11:46:58] <maxcnc> the maho500e is best for retrofit as the mesa 7i77 fits perfect just wirering and config load and up you go
[11:46:58] <HSM_> because.
[11:47:32] <zeeshan> maxcnc: reflecting back to my conversion
[11:47:34] <zeeshan> it was pretty easy!
[11:50:30] <HSM_> yesterday i bought schunk pgn 240 pneumatic gripper on my way home
[11:50:46] <PetefromTn_> pics?
[11:50:56] <HSM_> has anyone use this as pneumatic chuck?
[11:51:10] <HSM_> (8000N force)
[11:51:19] <HSM_> i have a video , wait
[11:52:27] <HSM_> a friend said i should built a nutcracker with that...
[11:54:23] <HSM_> looks like this: http://www.airoil.com/uploads/assets/product_images/schunk-schunk_2_jaw_grippers.jpg
[11:57:19] <Sync> yeah those are cool
[11:57:35] <HSM_> Most expensive nutcracker ever: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qd6hqcw8e6iy1s2/20151113_142033.mp4?dl=0
[11:59:00] <Sync> probably not more expensive than our carousel
[11:59:22] <HSM_> haha
[11:59:51] <Sync> http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/lehmann.jpg used that thing to spin persons
[12:00:14] <HSM_> yeah, why not?
[12:00:26] <Sync> 600Nm output torque :D
[12:00:34] <HSM_> harmonic drive?
[12:00:53] <Sync> nah
[12:01:14] <Sync> it is a preloaded worm gear of some sort
[12:01:25] <HSM_> ok
[12:01:44] <Sync> from what I can tell, it is backlash free
[12:01:52] <Sync> but I have not found it on the lehmann site
[12:01:57] <Sync> they have two kinds
[12:02:08] <Sync> one with two worm gears with springs
[12:02:17] <Sync> and sone with some kind of camming device preloading them
[12:03:19] <HSM_> lehmann tables look like the dmg tables
[12:03:47] <Sync> I think they are the oem for them
[12:04:02] <HSM_> ok
[12:04:11] <R2E4> mornion
[12:04:39] <Sync> but as I said, at some point I need to visit you :P
[12:05:06] <Sync> I need some ideas on how to make composite drive shafts
[12:05:27] <HSM_> no problem, i am here
[12:06:54] <HSM_> i can send you carbon prepreg for that
[12:08:12] <HSM_> just roll it in 45° on grinded tube and take it in oven @ 220°C
[12:09:34] <HSM_> hi rene
[12:09:56] <HSM_> hsm - faserwickelmaschine
[12:10:32] <maxcnc> carbon
[12:10:43] <maxcnc> Hsn german
[12:11:46] <Sync> that sounds simple enough
[12:12:06] <Sync> but yeah, 45° sounds reasonable as the angle
[12:12:23] <Sync> I'm not really sure on how to calculate the optimum angle
[12:12:32] <Sync> I guess there are some clever rules of thumb for that
[12:13:29] <HSM_> i had calculate it with hyperworks hypermesh optistruct
[12:13:48] <HSM_> in fem with fibre direction
[12:13:53] <magnifikus> so if hal stepgen gets a permanent updated position-cmd
[12:14:09] <magnifikus> wouldnt that mean that a driver would permanently accel and deccel?
[12:15:17] <maxcnc> ansys is also realy good on fibe
[12:16:00] <maxcnc> magnifikus: gow shoudt it get that signal
[12:16:08] <HSM_> yeah but altair was our sponsor
[12:16:18] <maxcnc> as it comes from the stepgen on dist calc
[12:17:31] <magnifikus> ah from servothread timespan and distance
[12:17:40] <magnifikus> i can calculate the speed needed
[12:18:07] <magnifikus> so position-cmd is wished position after next cycle?
[12:18:17] <Sync> I'd have guessed 45° as it should provide equal strength in both torque directions
[12:18:31] <Sync> but I have no real experience with composite tube
[12:20:36] <HSM_> yes, in our case we need equal strength because of the motor lassitude
[12:20:42] <maxcnc> sometimes a lower angel gives mor flexebility with same stiffness
[12:21:34] <maxcnc> someone Knows what python version is on the 2.7 lucid cd
[12:22:09] <HSM_> it´s depending on the loadcases, free space, external forces
[12:23:30] <maxcnc> HSM_: http://www.ivw.uni-kl.de/
[12:23:47] <maxcnc> thats where i used to work
[12:24:32] <Sync> I just need drive shafts that are lighter than the steel ones :P
[12:24:33] <maxcnc> lots and lots of tests and even more experiences
[12:24:51] <HSM_> that´s easy
[12:25:38] <HSM_> why you don´t use aluminium shafts?
[12:26:52] <maxcnc> Corming here making this drive shafts
[12:27:23] <HSM_> This is what a made for our racecar: https://www.dropbox.com/s/l24kgp7rbk1a3xo/IMG_9914.jpg?dl=0
[12:27:25] <Sync> because I'd have to get aluminium ones made
[12:28:10] <Sync> and I think making composite ones is easier
[12:28:13] <PetefromTn_> WOAH that is a beaty
[12:28:17] <HSM_> kaiserlautern is too far away
[12:28:34] <PetefromTn_> beauty
[12:28:43] <Sync> although I could probably use adhesives on the alu ones as well
[12:28:52] <HSM_> yes, easy
[12:29:41] <HSM_> drag race shafts often just push together
[12:30:11] <Sync> my application is stage rally
[12:30:12] <HSM_> *pressed together
[12:31:04] <HSM_> stage rally?
[12:31:20] <HSM_> ...ah ok
[12:31:32] <HSM_> normal rally
[12:31:43] <Sync> basically
[12:35:20] <HSM_> use grinded h6 round steel, formula five coat and some fiber. 1,3mm thickness in 45° with 5000Mpa fiber and 30mm inner diameter. It breaks at 350Nm. You can enforce it easy. This isn´t rocket science :D
[12:35:38] <HSM_> fiber volume around 55%
[12:36:26] <Sync> do you press the former out?
[12:36:32] <Sync> (obviously)
[12:36:42] <HSM_> yes
[12:37:31] <HSM_> by cooling down, the tube expands and the steel scaled down.
[12:37:50] <zeeshan> nice driveshaft
[12:37:53] <HSM_> In heavy winter it´s easy :D
[12:37:58] <HSM_> tank you
[12:39:03] <Sync> yeah, I have a freezer, cooling it is not a problem
[12:39:18] <zeeshan> i dont like aluminum for fatigu areas
[12:39:29] <zeeshan> since it doesnt have an endurance limit
[12:39:30] <Sync> hm, 350Nm no idea how high my torque peaks are
[12:40:41] <Sync> and I have to build a filament winder
[12:40:54] <HSM_> The torque is no problem. Real problems are idiots who damage this shaft by drop down tooling.
[12:41:36] <Sync> or stones flying around
[12:41:37] <HSM_> Because of spotty damage on the cfk surface
[12:41:56] <HSM_> yaeh... aramid could save the problem
[12:41:56] <zeeshan> how about enclosing the cf tube
[12:42:03] <zeeshan> with like 0.004" steel
[12:42:06] <zeeshan> or titanium
[12:42:24] <zeeshan> adds a bit of weight but should protect it from those sorts of damages?
[12:43:01] <HSM_> would be a possibility
[12:43:11] <zeeshan> drill a shit load of holes all around it
[12:43:20] <zeeshan> so you can still see some cf for rice factor
[12:43:20] <zeeshan> :D
[12:43:23] <zeeshan> jk
[12:43:35] <HSM_> ...
[12:43:38] <Sync> yeah a protective tube would probably work
[12:43:55] <PetefromTn_> what sort of pivot bearings are in the shaft?
[12:44:13] <HSM_> in military they just wound some aramid on it.
[12:44:40] <HSM_> igus high load plastic bearing
[12:45:07] <PetefromTn_> wow
[12:45:19] <HSM_> we exchange them after 50km
[12:45:29] <FAalbers> Hello
[12:45:33] <HSM_> every 50km
[12:45:35] <HSM_> hi
[12:45:47] <Sync> sounds reasonable
[12:48:48] <HSM_> should i buy the sauter 8 tool turret for my lathe?
[12:50:17] <HSM_> i am a little afraid of the linuxcnc programming. But nothing is impossible
[12:50:57] <PetefromTn_> which one are you considering?
[12:51:33] <HSM_> like this one: http://cdn04.trixum.de/upload2/47400/47277/5/593b926320e1c4197d084e727f3dde22e.jpg
[12:51:48] <HSM_> with 240mm plate
[12:51:53] <HSM_> vdi40
[12:52:12] <HSM_> my maximum turning diameter is 580mm
[12:52:19] <PetefromTn_> Nice that Is also what I am looking to for future on my lathe
[12:52:59] <Sync> why not HSM_
[12:53:43] <HSM_> because of the programing and the weight of 120kg
[12:54:44] <Sync> programming should work, somehow
[12:54:49] <Sync> the weight is more of an issue
[12:55:38] <FAalbers> So , I ordered a Dell Optiplex 745 that has a parallell port on the CPU board. Installed linuxcnc . I look at /procs/ioports and I get 0378-037a:parport0 . But in my HAL Confuguration Screen I don't see 'parport' under 'Pins' !!
[12:56:03] <FAalbers> How can I make sure I can communicate to the parallel port in linuxcnc ?
[13:02:15] <HSM_> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/49-basic-configuration/19959-parport-test-problem
[13:03:07] <FAalbers> Thanks HSM_ Will read up on that
[13:03:08] <HSM_> Perhaps you find some information here. I haven´t any idea...
[13:03:43] <HSM_> arr bigJs tester is down...
[13:06:16] <FAalbers> HSM_, All links don't work and my parallel board is on the CPU board, not a PCI cars
[13:06:20] <FAalbers> card
[13:06:42] <HSM_> hm
[13:07:40] <HSM_> What is when you use stepconf / pncconf and add the parport?
[13:09:01] <duc> Afternoon all
[13:10:06] <HSM_> good evening!
[13:10:54] <PetefromTn_> hi
[13:10:57] <duc> Which country
[13:11:33] <duc> Got my servos in and they are about 1/3 the size of the old Bridgeport steppers
[13:11:57] <HSM_> ac servos?
[13:12:03] <duc> Yea
[13:12:14] <HSM_> no wonder :-)
[13:12:23] <HSM_> (about the size)
[13:12:35] <HSM_> picture?
[13:14:58] <HSM_> which brand? with which mesa card?
[13:15:22] <FAalbers> HSM_ I checked my BIOS and port was set to PS/2 instead of EPP. I changed it , will now check again. then I'll check stepconf and pnconf
[13:15:58] <HSM_> okay good luck!
[13:19:45] <duc> Uploading now
[13:22:18] <duc> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/20151114_125519_zpsoovgkgpa.jpg
[13:22:40] <duc> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/20151114_125508_zpss4gp1yrg.jpg
[13:23:04] <duc> Yaskawa 750 watt servos. Going with 7i77 card once I'm ready
[13:23:35] <HSM_> tiny :)
[13:24:05] <zeeshan> cute servo
[13:24:07] <duc> Yea
[13:24:09] <HSM_> be careful with the pulley.
[13:24:22] <duc> Whys that
[13:25:28] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan yeah man we know you bought a mammoth lathe but you can't technically start with all the "Cute" comments until your machine actually runs!! ;)
[13:26:14] <chris_99> heh
[13:26:42] <zeeshan> hsm started it this time
[13:26:43] <zeeshan> not me!
[13:26:54] <HSM_> the axis in the picture with the vertical motor seems a little short. Don´t take the pulley on the edge because of the bearing load
[13:27:24] <HSM_> ^^ my lathe is tiny...
[13:27:29] <maxcnc> duc nice yaskawa is best choice
[13:27:36] <zeeshan> my mikron is cute
[13:27:48] <zeeshan> at full ipm it tickles me just right
[13:27:55] <zeeshan> tmi
[13:28:03] <PetefromTn_> whats that 30? ;)
[13:28:04] <maxcnc> im off for today
[13:28:08] <maxcnc> Gn8
[13:29:06] <duc> Maxcnc thanks
[13:29:37] <duc> Hsm_ I made some pulley adapters and should be in side load range for these motors
[13:30:28] <HSM_> ok
[13:30:47] <duc> The motors have a 19mm shaft
[13:36:37] <HSM_> i like "com" pulley clamp for this
[13:36:49] <duc> Uh?
[13:37:33] <HSM_> https://www.maedler.de/product/1643/1621/spannsaetze-com-b-bohrung-6-bis-100mm
[13:38:01] <Sync> yeah they are good
[13:38:09] <HSM_> works perfect and is cheap (12€/psc)
[13:40:04] <HSM_> by the way, this is cool: http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shefron/media/Machinery/Gangtooling_zps25c1d48e.jpg.html
[13:40:11] <HSM_> from duc
[13:41:24] <PetefromTn_> mill2lathe
[13:41:48] <duc> Yea that's the next project
[13:42:07] <HSM_> is it already yours?
[13:42:27] <duc> Nah going to build the block to hold the lathe tools
[13:42:36] <duc> I do own the mill thou
[13:42:58] <HSM_> ok
[13:43:26] <HSM_> i like gang tooling
[13:43:33] <HSM_> fast and simple
[13:44:01] <duc> Yes it is and I do have a document someone types up for doing the offsets in Mastercam for it
[13:45:41] <duc> I can't have a cnc lathe yet but I can ghetto fab one
[13:45:55] <HSM_> ghetto fab :-)
[13:48:01] <HSM_> anyone use 11µAss glass scale with exe sinus to ttl converter ?
[13:49:01] <HSM_> i have 3 axis heidenhain sinus glass scales but can´t use them without the converter
[13:49:16] <HSM_> the converter cost about 250€ each axis
[13:49:23] <zeeshan> no it doesnt :P
[13:49:23] <duc> Ouch
[13:49:40] <zeeshan> look up idp101
[13:50:11] <HSM_> ia can buy ne scales for 300, 400 and 800€ (different length)
[13:51:17] <HSM_> idp101 is cool and cheap
[13:51:38] <HSM_> but there is only one seller on ebay us
[13:51:56] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Heidenhain-Encoder-PCB-262417-IDP101-/281387324911
[13:51:58] <zeeshan> that one?
[13:52:06] <HSM_> yes
[13:52:53] <HSM_> i have hh LBS 326
[13:53:19] <HSM_> ...ouch i just nee two, because of cnc
[13:53:24] <HSM_> *need
[13:53:47] <zeeshan> http://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7410/16272562198_782fb5eaab_b.jpg
[13:53:50] <zeeshan> they are tiny cards
[13:53:55] <zeeshan> i stacked them with standoofs in between
[13:55:04] <HSM_> works fine?
[13:55:09] <zeeshan> yes
[13:55:14] <HSM_> nice
[13:57:15] <HSM_> first i will test it without glass scales. But it would be a very good feature for the x-axis (because of diameter tolerance)
[13:57:24] <zeeshan> glass scales are a really good idea
[13:57:30] <zeeshan> cause they're not affected by backlash
[13:57:33] <zeeshan> i loveeeeeeee them!
[13:57:39] <zeeshan> only thing crappy about them is response time
[13:57:43] <zeeshan> i think youre limited to 400 ipm
[13:57:45] <zeeshan> or 500ipm
[13:58:17] <HSM_> hm
[13:58:29] <HSM_> because of the converter?
[13:59:29] <zeeshan> no i think it's something to do w/ the actual sin cos signal
[13:59:33] <zeeshan> getting distorted
[13:59:52] <HSM_> ok
[14:00:45] <HSM_> interesting.
[14:04:56] <duc> Now I wish I would have purchased some wiring trays
[14:05:16] <Jymmm> PANDUIT!!!
[14:05:21] <HSM_> wiring weekend?
[14:06:31] <duc> Trying to mount servopacks and wire power to them
[14:06:54] <FAalbers> HSM_, Port is working ! :)
[14:07:12] <HSM_> duc: me too
[14:07:18] <HSM_> niceee
[14:07:51] <HSM_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xn5fin5cilhtsby/20151113_202803.jpg?dl=0
[14:08:12] <HSM_> wiring from yesterday
[14:08:50] <duc> Nice. Very clean
[14:08:52] <FAalbers> So , I got the 3040T-DJ router , what should I do to set it up with linuxcnc and have a few axis move around a bit to test ? If it's too much asked , maybe a easy get started link ? :)
[14:09:33] <duc> I had a bright idea for marking hole location. Position servopacks on paper. Mark and then transfer. Duh
[14:10:53] <HSM_> @ Faalber, install linuxcnc 7.2, connect your 4 axis card??? to your computer, read the manuel for pin order, open stepconf and config it
[14:11:00] <HSM_> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/30-cnc-machines/26681-6040-china-cnc-my-setup
[14:16:56] <zeeshan>
[14:17:05] <zeeshan> looks like a robot to me
[14:17:06] <zeeshan> not a color..
[14:17:58] <HSM_> zeeshan, ?!?
[14:18:01] <HSM_> black
[14:18:09] <zeeshan> hsm you speak japanese?
[14:18:22] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I do
[14:18:23] <HSM_> nee, i know how google works
[14:18:25] <zeeshan> haha
[14:18:33] <zeeshan> ive been doing that for a while now
[14:18:37] <zeeshan> but its getting tedious.. :P
[14:18:39] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Toyota... Nissan...
[14:19:00] <HSM_> honda honda ducati?
[14:19:04] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/IKCcWuk.png
[14:19:06] <HSM_> :-)
[14:19:07] <zeeshan> doesnt work that well to convert that
[14:19:10] <Jymmm> Long but kinda cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bg3Ct6OwtY
[14:19:48] <Jymmm> zeeshan: google translate app could
[14:19:48] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/KFaeN3v.png
[14:19:52] <zeeshan> ive done that already
[14:19:55] <HSM_> zeeshan, do you bought a import chinese machine? :-)
[14:19:57] <zeeshan> Jymmm: it doesnt output right
[14:20:04] <zeeshan> hsm this is not chinese
[14:20:05] <zeeshan> its japanese
[14:20:07] <Jymmm> zeeshan: section by section
[14:20:15] <zeeshan> Jymmm: what do you think im doing? :p
[14:20:26] <Jymmm> zeeshan: fucking off as usual =)
[14:20:48] <HSM_> hehehe
[14:21:02] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I'm surprised you're not blind yet =)
[14:21:39] <HSM_> i like the indramat manuel with 400 pages of mother tonque
[14:24:30] <FAalbers> HSM_, Thanks ... will do !
[14:25:39] <HSM_> i hope the manual isn´t chinese
[15:20:00] <FAalbers> HSM_, Thanks for your help ! Got it to work !! :)
[15:20:10] <HSM_> cool
[15:20:32] <HSM_> just linuxcnc or the whole router?
[15:22:36] <FAalbers> HSM_, How do you move it back home ? Don't see a button for that
[15:23:10] <FAalbers> HSM_, I made linuxcnc run the LINUXCNC logo without carving
[15:23:27] <HSM_> okay
[15:23:36] <HSM_> is there "home all"?
[15:23:41] <FAalbers> HSM_, Just tried out axis x,y,z
[15:24:05] <FAalbers> HSM_, I don't see a Home All button
[15:24:14] <HSM_> do you have connect the end switches?
[15:24:49] <HSM_> or reference switches?
[15:26:01] <FAalbers> HSM_, I have no end switches. It's a cheap Chinese desktop without home switches
[15:26:49] <HSM_> is the home all button just grey or not there?
[15:27:11] <FAalbers> HSM_, I don't see one , where is it sopposed to be ?
[15:27:30] <HSM_> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/axisubuntu.png
[15:27:37] <HSM_> left, top
[15:27:44] <FAalbers> HSM_, Maybe it doesn't show when not using then. I had to deactivate them in stepcnf
[15:28:27] <HSM_> on my fiber winding machine i also have no switches and i must home every axis alone
[15:29:02] <HSM_> sometimes you can´t home all axis together without switches
[15:29:28] <FAalbers> HSM_, You mean the 'Home' button in the Manual Control/Axis section ?
[15:29:42] <HSM_> ähm
[15:29:54] <HSM_> can you make a screenshot?
[15:30:33] <FAalbers> HSM_ That one makes the current position of the axis home, it does not move home. And with me it sais 'Home Axis' , not just 'Home'
[15:30:52] <HSM_> yes, this is okay.
[15:31:21] <HSM_> you can´t go home without switches and a stepper system
[15:31:46] <HSM_> why the axis should know their homing position?
[15:32:48] <HSM_> one idea: drive every axis against the end. To crash the stepper into the end of the linear rails
[15:32:54] <HSM_> and then push home
[15:33:05] <FAalbers> Well, I pit the axis to a certain position I felt is home , then pushed 'Home Axis' . That made that position home on the current project. When it was done , it did not go back to that home position
[15:33:17] <HSM_> the "crash" isn´t bad, because of the little steppers
[15:33:45] <XXCoder> heys
[15:33:48] <HSM_> after milling job?
[15:33:52] <HSM_> hi
[15:34:19] <FAalbers> HSM_, Yes , well , without using the spindle . I just let it route the trajectory
[15:34:22] <XXCoder> wouldnt "crashes" cause steppers to jam and evenually wear down>?
[15:34:31] <Sync> HSM_: called hardstop homing
[15:34:39] <HSM_> yes :-)
[15:34:59] <FAalbers> HSM_ After it was done routing the path , it did not go back to home
[15:35:42] <HSM_> this is normal, there are two ways to make it happen:
[15:36:00] <HSM_> write the homing coordinates in the midi panel and enter it
[15:36:48] <HSM_> or edit the postprocessor that the mill go to home after job
[15:37:02] <Sync> XXCoder: unlikely
[15:37:20] <XXCoder> ok
[15:37:52] <FAalbers> HSM_, I see , what is the MDI command ? x = 0 ?
[15:37:56] <FAalbers> y = 0?
[15:38:12] <HSM_> yes, G1 x0 y0 z0 F200
[15:38:19] <HSM_> as example
[15:38:27] <FAalbers> HSM_, what is f200 ?
[15:38:28] <renesis> i dont think = happens in gcode other than for some non-standard variable processing shit
[15:38:52] <HSM_> f200 means 200mm/min feed speed
[15:38:54] <XXCoder> feed rate of 200. dunno if mm/s or ipm
[15:39:03] <HSM_> ...yes
[15:39:13] <XXCoder> mm/m that is
[15:39:15] <renesis> G1 x0 y0 z0 F200 is kind of nuts for an end of cycle home
[15:39:35] <FAalbers> HSM_, OK , It does work , that's what I was trying to find out today. I'll now start reading the manual instyead of bothering everyone here ! :) I think that is a better approach :)
[15:39:39] <XXCoder> renesis: yeah I definitely do NOT recommand all 3 axes at once!
[15:39:41] <renesis> also it will go to workspace origin, not home
[15:39:45] <XXCoder> Z first then x,y
[15:40:01] <renesis> G53 G0 Z0
[15:40:03] <HSM_> ...yes that will be better
[15:40:06] <renesis> G53 G0 X0 Y0
[15:40:23] <FAalbers> HSM_, I really appreciate the help ! Will come vback if I meet more stumbling blocks ! :) Thanks a bunch !
[15:40:36] <renesis> G53 is a non modal command to translate in machine/home space
[15:40:50] <renesis> pretty sure its non modal, has to be specified every line
[15:41:22] <XXCoder> oh geez thats too fast for old fadal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3AqIZURMbI
[15:41:38] <renesis> f200?
[15:41:49] <XXCoder> no idea on speed
[15:41:52] <HSM_> sure
[15:41:53] <XXCoder> not my video
[15:41:57] <Sync> sounds okay
[15:42:08] <HSM_> this video isn´t cool
[15:42:14] <Sync> the only thing is that the strategy will wear the screws
[15:42:29] <HSM_> toooo slow
[15:42:36] <Sync> and shitty code
[15:42:41] <Sync> lots of air moves
[15:42:52] <renesis> so regular cam code?
[15:43:28] <XXCoder> I run fadal at work and I can tell you... its not that precise
[15:43:35] <XXCoder> kickback is pretty back
[15:43:37] <XXCoder> bad
[15:43:56] <renesis> how old is it?
[15:44:05] <Sync> then the machine is broken
[15:44:06] <XXCoder> one I run is made in 1988
[15:44:06] <renesis> the fadal
[15:44:13] <renesis> neat
[15:44:39] <renesis> i toured their factory right before china castings put them out of business, was a neat place
[15:44:46] <XXCoder> the model 88 lasted quite a while though
[15:45:41] <XXCoder> FAalbers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWOAAyN3btc this is what happens if you do all 3 axis move to zero
[15:45:53] <HSM_> :D
[15:46:47] <HSM_> i like this video: https://youtu.be/RZB8W81ae_g?t=56s
[15:47:33] <FAalbers> Hah ! ouch
[15:48:11] <XXCoder> yeah
[16:01:35] <HSM_> i know it´s a neebie question... what are the steps to configure a new 5i25/6i25 with 7i77 and analog servos ?
[16:04:08] <HSM_> i must flash the firmware to 5i25+one 7i77
[16:04:39] <PetefromTn_> yeah you can get the firmware update on the linuxCNC forum at least that is where I got it.
[16:05:25] <HSM_> do i need a firmware update?
[16:05:52] <XXCoder> HSM_: heh yeah thats why always z first, and enough to clear supports lol
[16:07:08] <duc> I need to kick myself for accidently buying solidwire for the power on the servopacks
[16:08:04] <HSM_> duc, yeah...
[16:08:06] <HSM_> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/27-driver-boards/29426-mesa-6i25-7i77-firmware-update#60689
[16:08:19] <HSM_> i think this is what i should do
[16:08:37] <HSM_> solidwire 6mm² is nice...
[16:08:52] <duc> Errrr. To use or not. It's 12ga wire
[16:11:06] <HSM_> if you where in my city I would give you my wire
[16:11:39] <duc> I can drive back to the store when I go to eat
[16:11:49] <duc> Just pissed I missed it
[16:11:55] <duc> Thanks thou
[16:13:09] <HSM_> i also missed some parts, like green yello wire ore relays or switches....this slows down the whole project...
[16:14:26] <renesis> duc: do not use, solidcore sucks at vibration
[16:16:29] <duc> I want to but I will resist and just go back to home depot
[16:17:49] <duc> I have 10ga but it won't fit in connector
[16:31:29] <Deejay> gn8
[16:53:29] <HSM_> good night!
[20:10:12] <monttyle> What's this kind of arrangement called? http://burningsmell.org/images/crossrail.gif
[20:10:30] <XXCoder> "weird"
[20:10:33] <XXCoder> kidding dunno
[20:19:05] <duc> Question. Turns out I order the wrong servo drives. Anyone get mechatrolink to work with linuxcnc
[20:24:50] <magnifikus> its called i like to jam
[20:31:29] <Sync> duc: see if you can command them with quadrature
[20:31:33] <Sync> if not, good luck
[20:32:03] <monttyle> I could double it up with motors on both sides, but that'd kind of defeat the point..
[20:32:37] <duc> It's a rs485 protocol but no analog in for motion
[21:02:10] <duc> Might have to eat the cost of ordering the correct set