#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-11-03

[02:18:44] <Deejay> moin
[04:37:20] <plasma_ger> hi i bouth a xhbc hb04 works fine
[04:37:41] <plasma_ger> i put the mashine togethere and now it fals to start
[04:38:12] <plasma_ger> "/usr/bin/linuxcnc: Zeile 716: 3667 Speicherzugriffsfehler $EMCDISPLAY -ini "$INIFILE" $EMCDISPLAYARGS $EXTRA_ARGS"
[04:38:41] <plasma_ger> it started 2times bevor
[04:38:51] <plasma_ger> someone can help me
[04:38:57] <plasma_ger> im on 2.6
[04:39:37] <plasma_ger> is this the Hb04 section or somthig els
[04:39:58] <plasma_ger> LINUXCNC - 2.6.0-pre0-4831-g67bb7b9
[04:42:18] <archivist> immediately after trying to start it in a terminal window and it fails, type dmesg
[04:43:27] <plasma_ger> archivist to me
[04:43:41] <archivist> to you
[04:44:27] <plasma_ger> "[ 1582.641045] axis[4039]: segfault at 0 ip 01069f23 sp bfc6ce00 error 4 in librs274.so.0[f9a000+14b000]
[04:44:29] <plasma_ger> [
[04:45:31] <plasma_ger> this comes from axis[4039]:
[04:45:57] <archivist> did you compile yourself, or what
[04:46:04] <plasma_ger> no
[04:46:12] <plasma_ger> buildbot
[04:46:23] <archivist> ah, bleeding edge
[04:46:36] <plasma_ger> shoudt i update to 2.7 stable
[04:47:46] <plasma_ger> but then i lose all my editing of the components
[04:48:10] <plasma_ger> it started 2times on that config
[04:48:20] <archivist> but is your segfault from one of those edits
[04:49:04] <plasma_ger> ashine is running
[04:49:16] <plasma_ger> i did 4 times in a row starting linuxcnc
[04:50:03] <plasma_ger> now last dmsg is initialized AnyIO board at 0000:03:0c.0
[04:50:12] <plasma_ger> from 5i25
[04:51:01] <archivist> your symptoms are also a sign of bad memory/ motherboard/connections
[04:51:11] <plasma_ger> so to me the config is ok
[04:52:11] <plasma_ger> but its only at the new config the older ones with xbox controller running fist click
[04:55:13] <plasma_ger> use software openGL libraries is to be the solution
[04:58:54] <plasma_ger> im restarting
[05:06:26] <XXCoder> fist click
[05:06:36] <XXCoder> is that arming fist gun? :P
[05:06:41] <XXCoder> gonna love that typo
[05:17:45] <XXCoder> archivist: odd guys not coming back
[06:04:24] <archivist> some never come in when its working
[06:04:38] <XXCoder> fun
[06:04:47] <XXCoder> well good I guess? lol
[11:28:11] <rhavenj> hi there, is there a software to translate a .ngc to heidenhain .h format?
[11:42:49] <anomynous> im just curious, but why do you want that?
[11:42:56] <anomynous> doesnt your control read gcode?
[11:43:18] <archivist> not all gcode is created equal :)
[11:43:25] <anomynous> almost equal
[11:43:30] <anomynous> regex helps if not
[11:43:31] <anomynous> ;D
[11:43:54] <archivist> not even close, Ocodes etc
[11:44:22] <anomynous> theyre all fanuc anyway
[11:44:23] <anomynous> ;D
[11:46:20] <anomynous> but its one line of code to change t2; m6; into g91g28z0;g90;m6t2; or make a such change. How much different can they be?
[11:50:24] <archivist> stuff with ocodes(subroutines) and variables, a lot
[11:51:23] <archivist> stuff coming out of some cam program is probably easier
[11:52:17] <archivist> might have to swap axes and offsets too
[11:55:21] <anomynous> well, thats another line if variables syntax is different?
[11:56:59] <anomynous> theres some standard to the gcode, isnt there?
[11:57:21] <anomynous> like start with %, this gcode does this and that does that and end with %
[11:57:32] <anomynous> and then manufacturers add their own stuff and syntax?
[11:57:46] <archivist> they nearly all have "extensions"
[11:58:23] <anomynous> s/nearly//
[11:58:42] <archivist> and some just did not implement parts like full circles
[11:59:09] <anomynous> well, i wasn't talking of generating gcode. Just modifying gcode from one control to another
[12:01:08] <archivist> you have to generate stuff to convert
[12:01:28] <anomynous> not if you're just not wanting to pay for cam post editor ;D
[12:01:40] <anomynous> post*
[12:01:42] <anomynous> not editor
[12:09:19] <JT-Shop2> dammit I keep breaking taps off in that 7075
[12:20:03] <maxcnc> archivist ?
[12:20:57] <archivist> er wot?
[12:21:29] <maxcnc> hi i need to say sorry for todays miss i lost the pc and the mashine at xhc hook up
[12:21:38] <maxcnc> and therefor i coudent come back
[12:21:51] <maxcnc> 2hr for a reinstall
[12:22:01] <maxcnc> not related to linuxcnc
[12:22:43] <maxcnc> as you expected the memory coudt be faulty 2
[12:24:50] <maxcnc> the mashine is now on 2.8 running and as expected funcion and movements are good
[12:25:15] <maxcnc> the xbox 2 hb04 did last now 3hr
[12:26:16] <maxcnc> the new system also required me to update the 5i25 and the 7i76 firmware
[12:27:26] <maxcnc> PCW thanks for the great job on updating things and scripts you provide
[12:33:48] <pcw_home> Sorry for the forced firmware upgrade, but all serial remotes except the
[12:33:50] <pcw_home> 7I64 had stack overflow bug which is a bad thing in a I/O controller
[12:33:51] <pcw_home> We are pretty sure no one ever triggered the bug (its hard to trigger)
[12:33:53] <pcw_home> but the results of the bug were not pretty
[12:37:54] <maxcnc> no problem
[12:38:21] <maxcnc> has been a great advantce to me to do this once
[12:39:07] <pcw_home> Seemed the best thing was an error pop-up in LinuxCNC 2.7+ to annoy the user into upgrading :-)
[12:39:53] <maxcnc> most of our 30+ mesa mashines have still 2.4 running
[12:40:23] <maxcnc> this has been the first PC breakdown for this year
[13:13:18] <CaptHindsight> "<maxcnc> most of our 30+ mesa mashines" I wonder if they are all the same machines or if they use it on all sorts in their shop.
[13:14:13] <ssi> I have six mesa machines, if you count the one that I destroyed
[13:16:57] <archivist> the impression in here is usually of the odd ones and twos
[13:24:08] <duc> Does mesa allow a input from a absolute encoder. Looking at yaskawa SGDV servo drives
[13:27:52] <ssi> CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBb9O-aW4zI
[13:36:49] <PCW> Current firmware supports Fanuc, SSI, and BISS absolute encoders if the Yaskawa _drive_ can support any of these, it should work
[13:36:50] <PCW> we do not currently support the Yaskawa proprietary encoder format but that's typically used only between the drive and the motor
[13:45:44] <duc> From the info in the manual the servo pack decodes the signal then outputs a external signal as a 2 phase pulse (phase A and B) with 90° phase differential plus a phase C once a rotation
[13:46:27] <ssi> duc: that's just standard incremental quadrature
[13:46:41] <ssi> sounds like your drive is consuming the absolute encoder and providing an incremental encoder signal upstream to the control
[13:46:45] <ssi> that'll be easy to deal with
[13:47:30] <duc> Ok. That's what I thought. Before I spend the money on servos to replace my old steppers I want to make sure
[13:49:18] <PCW> ( There are some drives that have local absolute encoders (battery backed) that have a SSI interface so that the controller knows the absolute position )
[13:49:45] <duc> Replacing old Bridgeport boss 5 steppers from the 80s
[13:50:15] <PCW> ( That is, the drives host interface has a SSI absolute encoder interface )
[13:51:49] <duc> Any recommendations on cheap servos besides yaskawa that wont break the bank. Look into DMM but that doesn't close the loop and still cost 700 per acis
[13:51:57] <PCW> most modern (but non fieldbus) servo drives have the option of Quadrature simulated encoder signals fed back to the host
[13:52:55] <duc> Looking at 750w att or 29 in/lb range
[14:21:13] <duc> How many steps will newer steppers lose over the course of a hour of running in a cnc mill.
[14:21:42] <ssi> zero if they're set up correctly
[14:22:37] <archivist> losing steps is a fundamental error
[14:23:37] <duc> And micro stepping is improved? Compared to old ones from 80s
[14:24:35] <duc> I'm unable to improve the ratio on drive system to the bridgeport to improve the step over. As of now .001 is best case.
[14:24:40] <archivist> I am not a particular fan of microsteps, they help with resonance problems
[14:25:52] <cradek> I understand microsteps give you smoothness, but not really better positioning
[14:26:14] <cradek> if your machine has .001/step you're not going to machine to .0001 by changing to 10 microsteps
[14:26:15] <duc> Face
[14:26:44] <ssi> cradek: I guess you could look at it like the microstepping provides more blended commutation between discrete steps
[14:26:50] <cradek> yes
[14:27:39] <duc> So I will need to move to servo to improve accuracy with machining. I don't need .0001 but more repeatability. New machines have issues with .0001 repeatability in maching
[14:27:41] <cradek> your 80s bridgeport has loose ballscrews and the X axis is an arc instead of linear, anyway
[14:28:18] <cradek> if you need more accuracy than .001 you may need a totally different class of machine
[14:28:21] <Connor> http://www.geckodrive.com/support/step-motor-basics/accuracy-and-resolution.html
[14:28:49] <archivist> http://www.micromo.com/microstepping-myths-and-realities
[14:28:52] <cradek> also the Y axis is loose in the center of travel and tight at the ends... :-)
[14:29:20] <duc> .001 would be fine for me. How is the x axis a arc instead of linear
[14:29:24] <archivist> old loose machines need unidirectional gcode
[14:29:31] <cradek> because that's how they wear
[14:29:40] <cradek> put a machinists level on it and you'll see
[14:30:19] <Connor> archivist How do you do a profile or pocket with unidirectional gcode? :)
[14:31:04] <archivist> Connor, I dont, but I cut my gears wherever possible with unidirectional code
[14:31:18] <Connor> on the rotary table ?
[14:31:22] <Connor> or A axis.
[14:31:27] <archivist> I think like a manual machinist when coding
[14:31:48] <archivist> all axes involved
[14:31:55] <Connor> ah
[14:32:36] <duc> So nothing will be gained with servos?
[14:32:53] <archivist> yes, speed
[14:33:05] <ssi> you can gain resolution with servos
[14:33:08] <ssi> depending on your encoders
[14:33:18] <ssi> the resolution of your steppers isn't related to the wear in your machine
[14:33:20] <ssi> but they're both issues
[14:33:43] <duc> 14 bit encoders. Machine has some wear but still has moon flaking on all surfaces
[14:33:50] <archivist> you can take out the wear with a scraper
[14:33:56] <Connor> you can gain resolution with steppers by using timing bets and pulleys..
[14:34:05] <ssi> 15:00 < duc> I'm unable to improve the ratio on drive system to the bridgeport to improve the step over. As of now .001 is best case.
[14:34:46] <duc> System already has 1:1 timing belts and I am unable to fit a 2:1 ratio. Tried that
[14:35:06] <Connor> Really?
[14:35:42] <duc> Yea. X-axis is a snug fit where the pulley is.
[14:36:11] <duc> Y was possible with some grinding
[14:36:11] <Connor> Would have to see what your saying...
[14:36:47] <duc> I'll upload a picture to photobucket
[14:39:58] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0yM5fHjxqc 2:50 drilling (feeding) 670ipm (17000mm/min) into cast iron ;D
[14:41:42] <duc> Can't find picture but there is the pulley on the ball screw that has 1/4 clearance till it hits the table and motor pulley can be enlarge 2 teeth till it contacts the casting about
[14:42:12] <Connor> duc: How large are the pulleys? Can you make one smaller ?
[14:42:17] <cradek> what problem are you solving? like what actual machining problem?
[14:44:20] <duc> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/20150924_202023_zps3tfdz0ir.jpg
[14:44:34] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: Got a Kurt D60 Vise now
[14:44:59] <Connor> duc: Dude.. You can make the drive pulley half that size...
[14:45:40] <duc> Smallest size is 14 tooth that can be purchased for motor and 28 tooth for ball screw
[14:45:44] <cradek> yeah you can surely change that to 1:2 without changing the casting
[14:46:44] <cradek> you might have to make them if they're not available off the shelf
[14:46:57] <duc> It looks deceiving but they do not fit at 1:2. I have them in hand at home
[14:54:38] <CaptHindsight> ssi: after-all don't you deserve only the best
[14:54:56] <ssi> absolutely
[15:05:46] <duc> Not sure what casting differences between boss 5 and boss 6. Did they change the ball screw lead between the machines
[15:38:27] <Loetmichel2> hihi, this instant drink is a nice power training... "shake or stir well for 2 minutes after pouring contents of bag into 2-2.5 liters water"... shaking a 2.5 liters water bottle for 2 minutes builds up your arm muscles ;) *phew*
[15:42:14] <SpeedEvil> Remember to swap arms, or you'll look like a wonky popeye.
[15:42:35] <XXCoder> or chronic masturbator
[17:13:13] <R2E4> Here is the drives input.... http://i67.tinypic.com/2cpxlq9.png
[17:13:39] <R2E4> pin 6 is drive enable
[17:29:48] <PetefromTn_> R2E4 hang on man
[17:30:02] <R2E4> Hey Pete, Howz it going
[17:30:04] <PetefromTn_> I am trying to get a photo of my wiring scheme drawing for you
[17:30:10] <PetefromTn_> not sure it will help or not
[17:30:16] <PetefromTn_> Its going well how are you
[17:30:46] <R2E4> IS your drives active low for server enable?
[17:31:08] <R2E4> How you doing with your CNC Lathe retrofitÉ
[17:32:04] <PetefromTn_> I believe the Tecos were indeed active low enable
[17:32:18] <PetefromTn_> the CNC lathe retrofit is finally starting to take shape
[17:32:18] <ssi> can they be switched/converted?
[17:32:22] <JT-Shop2> ha the only page in my 7i77 manual that I didn't take notes was the enables
[17:32:34] <PetefromTn_> I received the motors and drives today
[17:32:35] <ssi> with mesa stuff you really need active high enables
[17:32:40] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/Qz2ATYZ
[17:32:47] <JT-Shop2> my Anilam drives are low enable too
[17:32:56] <ssi> er maybe not actually
[17:33:29] <ssi> the enable outputs on the '77 are optocouplers
[17:33:34] <PetefromTn_> that TB1 to TB5 jumper is as I recall what allows the enable to be low
[17:33:35] <ssi> I think you can wire them either way
[17:33:53] <ssi> AMC drives are active low INHIBITS by default
[17:34:01] <ssi> that was the issue, you want active enable, not active inhibit
[17:34:05] <ssi> I think high or low is fine either way
[17:35:05] <PCW> For active low enables ENAN+ goes to drive enable and ENAN- goes to drive common=gnd
[17:36:37] <PCW> the 7I77 enable outputs are just OPTO transistors so ENAN+ is the collector so must be +
[17:36:52] <R2E4> Thanks PCW, thats is exactly what wa written in the manual, but wanted to make sure. that came right after the enable sigals are polarity sensitive, you can damage if connected incorrectly message.
[17:37:22] <PCW> if you wire them backwards (and current is not too high) they will always be on
[17:37:32] <R2E4> http://i67.tinypic.com/2cpxlq9.png
[17:37:35] <ssi> the other fun thing I've run into is the 7i76/7i77 field outputs are sourcing, and they won't run active low relay boards like are common for arduino stuff
[17:37:52] <ssi> I actually hacked up one of those relay boards to make it active high, and it was a hassle but it worked
[17:37:58] <R2E4> that is the image in the drive manual. Do I need to connect the 24v ref?
[17:38:38] <duc> Well motors are ordered 750watt yaskawa for 150 each. Should have low balled more
[17:39:05] <R2E4> pcw: I should be able to connect the enan+ to pin 6 in the pic. no need for the 24vdc to pin 9?
[17:41:27] <SpeedEvil> h
[17:43:45] <R2E4> PetefromTn_: You changed the drives and motors on the lathe also?
[17:44:06] <PetefromTn_> I bought the lathe basically stripped of most of its componentry
[17:44:33] <PetefromTn_> I would have removed them and replaced with new even if there had been components on the machine when I purchased it
[17:44:58] <PetefromTn_> I would have sold them for money to buy the new parts as I did with the Cincinatti
[17:46:55] <PetefromTn_> R2E4 what are you building?
[17:51:44] <R2E4> A massice 5 X 12 CNC router with huge servos
[17:51:55] <PetefromTn_> nice
[17:52:01] <PetefromTn_> did you build it from scratch
[17:53:24] <R2E4> yes
[17:53:34] <PetefromTn_> excellent
[17:53:38] <PCW> 24V must go to pin 9 or theres no power source for their OPTO LEDs
[17:53:42] <R2E4> I upload pics in a minute, trying to get LCNC started for first time
[17:53:57] <R2E4> OK, thats what I did. thanks
[18:05:43] <andypugh> R24E 5 x 12 inches, feet or metres?
[18:06:28] <PetefromTn_> lol
[18:08:18] <andypugh> I saw some not-quite 5 x 12 cm laser engravers on eBay. Astonishingly cheap, so cheap I might just buy one anyway: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEJE-300mW-USB-Laser-Engraver-Cutter-Engraving-Cutting-Machine-Laser-Printer-UK-/291556338941?hash=item43e21cacfd:g:1csAAOSwT6pV6eAG
[18:08:54] <PetefromTn_> astonishingly cheap never ends well in my experience
[18:08:57] <andypugh> 1.5” x 1.5” approx travel.
[18:09:22] <JT-Shop> if I can find some gyeojagaru I'm all set
[18:09:25] <andypugh> But it is held together with 108 screws!
[18:10:18] <PetefromTn_> MAN a whole 1.5x1.5 jeez what you could do with that!! ;)
[18:11:04] <JT-Shop> 5% off if you buy 3 or more!
[18:14:53] <JT-Shop> lol google speaks Korean but Hmart (Korean store) does not
[18:15:01] <Tom_itx> does SW have a wiring lib?
[18:15:51] <JT-Shop> I'm not sure
[18:16:00] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, when you draw a spring in SW is there a way to get the "flat" on the ends?
[18:16:10] <JT-Shop> I used an ACAD add on to do wiring diagrams
[18:16:12] <Tom_itx> where it's partially crushed and flat on top
[18:16:26] <JT-Shop> yea, just cut it off
[18:16:27] <PetefromTn_> cut?
[18:16:27] <Tom_itx> coil spring
[18:16:49] <Tom_itx> what about where the ends are somewhat crushed together.. ie non uniform coil
[18:16:52] <JT-Shop> or are you talking about the last coils touch and are ground flat
[18:16:57] <Tom_itx> yes
[18:17:03] <Tom_itx> but ground flat on the last one
[18:17:16] <JT-Shop> yea you have to extrude it like that
[18:17:16] <Tom_itx> i can figure the flat easy enough
[18:17:39] <JT-Shop> maybe you need three spirals end middle end
[18:17:57] <Tom_itx> is there a 'spring' widget for them?
[18:18:13] <Tom_itx> i'm sure not in the ver i have
[18:18:38] <JT-Shop> I don't think so
[18:19:09] <Sync> andypugh: 300mW is pretty useless
[18:20:14] <mozmck> what wattage is useful? I have a friend interested in cutting out parts in basswood
[18:20:46] <_methods> Tom_itx: what do you mean by wiring?
[18:20:49] <R2E4> PetefromTn_: here are the pics of what we are building
[18:20:55] <R2E4> http://i65.tinypic.com/15g9xqu.jpg
[18:20:55] <_methods> like industrial wiring?
[18:21:00] <_methods> if so yes
[18:21:05] <R2E4> http://fr.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=acvi43&s=9#.VjlJdyuZyYQ
[18:21:06] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:21:15] <Tom_itx> just curious about that... wasn't needing it
[18:21:20] <JT-Shop> chow time
[18:21:22] <_methods> yeah they have it
[18:21:25] <JT-Shop> goodnight
[18:21:26] <Tom_itx> burrios
[18:21:30] <Tom_itx> burritos
[18:21:33] <Tom_itx> *
[18:21:34] <R2E4> http://fr.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2j0zfq8&s=9#.VjlJCyuZyYQ
[18:22:30] <_methods> plenty of table
[18:29:17] <Praesmeodymium> mozmck: as the owner of a shitty 40w co2 and having a decent concept on laser powers, it depends a lot on many factors. a 450nm (warm 445) you probably want more than 1.5 watts unless you dont mind spending all day while it keeps recutting lines. Thickness, and reflectivity of material makes a big differemce as does focal length and operating mode ie whether its continuos wave laser or pulsed
[18:32:11] <PetefromTn_> R2E4 Looks good man
[18:32:12] <mozmck> Praesmeodymium: interesting - I was thinking you would need a lot more than 1.5 watts - more like 30 or 40
[18:32:59] <Praesmeodymium> depends on material
[18:33:16] <mozmck> So what all can you cut with 40w? Also, I presume you can turn the power up and down? Or do you just pulse it?
[18:33:19] <Praesmeodymium> a 445nm also carriers a lot more energy with it than a 10.6cm
[18:33:35] <Praesmeodymium> err 1064nm whatever
[18:33:44] <mozmck> I see. I know almost nothing about laser (so far).
[18:33:59] <Praesmeodymium> with the 40w its about 5mm of cutting wood or acrylic
[18:34:14] <Praesmeodymium> but that has a bit to do with the focal length of the lense
[18:34:38] <mozmck> Ah, ok. I think he may be looking at cutting up to about that thickness in wood.
[18:35:25] <Praesmeodymium> sinc the beam is X shaped the fovcal length determins min spot size (not as much as frequency does) and the depth that its in focus
[18:36:01] <Praesmeodymium> short focus crates a smaller spot but less cut depth
[18:36:13] <mozmck> interesting.
[18:36:27] <Praesmeodymium> 5mm of wood I wouldnt use a led laser engraver for tbh
[18:36:49] <Praesmeodymium> you will really want something with a proper air assist unless you like char
[18:36:50] <mozmck> what kind then?
[18:37:34] <mozmck> Is co2 led? I see - I bet air assist gets more expensive.
[18:37:50] <Praesmeodymium> well... prolly a co2 they can achieve decent powers for decent prices,
[18:38:01] <Praesmeodymium> no co2 is a neoen tube with mirrors
[18:38:58] <Praesmeodymium> the do have some high power IR diodes but they make a squareish beam
[18:40:09] <Praesmeodymium> lasers are limited and not terribly cheap, as far as cutting goes they have rather limited uses until they get real powerful. lower power is best for wood acrylic and if you hate your laser vynil signage
[18:40:41] <Praesmeodymium> like I totally wish I had spent the money on a small mill rather than a co2 laser
[18:41:18] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/a/zwTv1 :D
[18:44:26] <_methods> that for your tool changer PetefromTn_
[18:45:06] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[18:45:15] <_methods> that servo
[18:45:16] <PetefromTn_> no thats for my CNC lathe
[18:45:20] <_methods> ahhh
[18:45:21] <_methods> kk
[18:45:24] <_methods> right on
[18:45:28] <PetefromTn_> two motors and drives and cables
[18:45:33] <PetefromTn_> brand new ready to go
[18:46:38] <Tom_itx> you say you're gonna send those to me?
[18:47:08] <PetefromTn_> why hell no
[18:47:18] <PetefromTn_> why on earth would I do that? ;)
[18:47:20] <Tom_itx> and i thought we were buds
[18:47:30] <PetefromTn_> I know I'm such a shit hehe
[18:47:43] <_methods> whatever it takes to exit the ranks of the latheless
[18:47:44] <_methods> lol
[18:47:56] <PetefromTn_> man lemme tell ya
[18:48:02] <PetefromTn_> it SUCKS being latheless
[18:48:27] <PetefromTn_> I can't wait to go from NO lathe to badass CNC lathe and make some cool parts
[18:48:43] <PetefromTn_> but right now I gotta head into town to pickup my chinese food ;)
[18:48:48] <PetefromTn_> one step at a time guys!!
[18:55:44] <ssi> lol
[18:56:46] * Tom_itx hugs his manual lathe
[18:57:11] <R2E4> Would I get a following error if my encoders are not getting to the 7i77?
[18:57:45] <R2E4> Tom, make sure the power is off....lol
[19:20:13] <PetefromTn_> sure
[19:20:33] <PetefromTn_> set your max error large to tst
[19:46:02] <PetefromTn_> OKAY Riddle me this.... I am First In earth, Second in Heaven, I appear two times in a week. You can only see me once in a Year although I am in the middle of the sea, What am I?
[19:48:26] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b2T8K2D-ps
[19:49:01] <Tom_itx> E
[19:49:23] <PetefromTn_> YUP!!
[19:49:32] <PetefromTn_> It took me a couple minutes to get it
[19:50:28] <_methods> tricky hobbitses
[19:50:39] <SpeedEvil> http://i.imgur.com/woR93kY.jpg bricklayers hate him for this one simple trick
[19:50:57] <PetefromTn_> tricksy
[19:52:14] <PetefromTn_> that's one crazy arch
[19:52:49] <SpeedEvil> Structurally useless I think
[19:53:07] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/women_vs_men/whymendie_index.php
[19:54:50] <R2E4> These Chineese drives dont like it here in north america.... lol
[19:55:26] <PetefromTn_> you mean WAY North America!!
[19:55:41] <R2E4> yeah...
[19:55:59] <PetefromTn_> what model drives are you using?
[19:56:31] <R2E4> linux side is ok, sending the drive enable and I tried putting a 9 volt battery on the drive to move the motor and notta......
[19:59:28] <R2E4> KRS 110st_m06030 chineese
[20:01:12] <Contract_Pilot> Evening
[20:02:03] <R2E4> The driver is in location mode, need speedétorque mode me thinks
[20:41:20] <R2E4> no candy yet
[20:41:49] <PetefromTn_> I got tons of candy here :D
[20:42:04] <R2E4> Can jog the motor from controls on the drive, but cannot get it to move from 7i77
[20:42:13] <R2E4> or 10v input
[20:45:43] <PetefromTn_> is the drive enabled?
[20:49:12] <R2E4> yeah, the drive is enabled
[20:52:33] <R2E4> where do I set in linuxCNC sppeed mode or torque mode. INI?
[21:00:11] <PetefromTn_> just out of curiosity what pc components did you choose for this build?
[21:00:42] <R2E4> atom motherboard
[21:00:55] <R2E4> 5i25 with 7i77
[21:01:39] <PetefromTn_> okay WHICH atom MB and what sort of drive did you use? What ram? and what power supply? I am trying to select these items myself currently
[21:01:45] <Tom_itx> d525?
[21:01:49] <Tom_itx> d510?
[21:02:01] <R2E4> ah hang on I see
[21:02:09] <Tom_itx> the Q1900 Q1800 are newer pete
[21:02:24] <PetefromTn_> I understand that thank you
[21:02:24] <Tom_itx> i've also got a D525
[21:03:12] <PetefromTn_> I would prefer to get past the occasional real time delay error I get with the atom I have here in my selection of the new motherboard
[21:03:55] <Tom_itx> this was an intel atom mb
[21:04:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah so is mine as I recall
[21:04:18] <R2E4> hahaha, I am getting the same error
[21:04:27] <R2E4> everytime I start linuxcnc
[21:04:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah apparently it is a factor of the main boards D525
[21:04:53] <R2E4> haha, great
[21:04:56] <PetefromTn_> it has never really caused any issues other than the annoyance of getting the error
[21:05:07] <Tom_itx> i haven't noticed it
[21:05:30] <R2E4> No biggie, mobo are cheap anyway, I am trying to get this drive to move with 10v, doesnt want to cooperate
[21:06:40] <R2E4> I should be able to put a 9v battery on the 0-10v input on the drive and iot move right?
[21:06:56] <PetefromTn_> I would think so
[21:07:14] <PetefromTn_> hot and ground
[21:07:35] <R2E4> yeah, it aint doing squatt
[21:10:06] <PetefromTn_> are you running a 24 volt system?
[21:10:18] <PetefromTn_> do you have field IO on the 7i77 setup?
[21:10:54] <R2E4> yeah, inputs and outputs are working
[21:11:09] <R2E4> 24v field power
[21:12:00] <PetefromTn_> if you can jog the drive AT the drive and get movement but not with the inputs maybe your inputs are wired wrong?
[21:12:53] <R2E4> I can jog the drive with the control panel of the drive. I tried enabling the drive, and putting a battery on the 0-10v control port of the drive
[21:13:35] <PetefromTn_> You would also need to check your drive's settings to ensure it is waiting for analog control input
[21:13:59] <R2E4> yeah I set that
[21:15:18] <R2E4> There is one page on these drives on the net...lol
[21:15:31] <R2E4> The guy is trying to use the rs4985 port
[21:15:35] <R2E4> 485
[21:16:03] <PetefromTn_> modbus control
[21:16:58] <PetefromTn_> It sounds like you have the power setup right. when you jog it can you watch the encoder counts moving? Is the DRIVE in velocity mode? sounds like a setting is wrong to me
[21:17:56] <R2E4> yes it is is speed mode. Thats the other thing, I dont see the encoders counting, thats not set right either.
[21:18:22] <PetefromTn_> on the drive or in linuxCNC?
[21:19:04] <R2E4> I am checking in Linuxcnc, dont see the inputs so something wrong on the encoder side also
[21:19:55] <R2E4> But that may be because when in test mode on the drive, it wont send out encoder sigs
[21:20:21] <PetefromTn_> does the drive come with test/tune software and cables?
[21:20:51] <PetefromTn_> perhaps you can see that working there?
[21:21:25] <R2E4> no software
[21:21:35] <PetefromTn_> I apologize if I am giving you mamby pamby obvious advice here I am not an expert but I usually just check the simple stuff first
[21:22:45] <R2E4> I think it is the settings on the drive also. The manual is half chineese and half english, and the english that it speaks is not from this land....
[21:22:52] <PetefromTn_> I assume you have the encoder outputs wires into the 7i77 already and the enable and whatnot as well
[21:23:56] <R2E4> yeah the encoders sent to 7i77, yeah enable goes to drives, I can hear it enable when I turn on LCNC
[21:24:18] <PetefromTn_> oh you can?
[21:24:34] <PetefromTn_> thats good
[21:26:47] <PetefromTn_> what kind of 24v power supply did you use? I am ALSO looking for one of those hehe
[21:28:20] <R2E4> A nice DIN mount
[21:28:35] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah? got a link?
[21:29:00] <R2E4> Rhino from Automation direct, 5vdc PS also
[21:29:52] <PetefromTn_> http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Power_Products_(Electrical)/DC_Power_Supplies/24VDC,_DIN_Rail_Mount/PSB24-120
[21:29:56] <R2E4> PSB24-120
[21:30:25] <R2E4> yeppers thats the one, and the 5v one also
[21:30:45] <PetefromTn_> what are you using the 5v for?
[21:31:38] <R2E4> 7i77 5volt input. I dont like using PC 5 volts
[21:31:50] <PetefromTn_> nice
[21:31:56] <PetefromTn_> this is good setup man
[21:33:41] <PetefromTn_> they have a 240 watt model too
[21:33:53] <PetefromTn_> 10a
[21:38:55] <PetefromTn_> well Gn8
[22:28:02] <R2E4> got the motor to turn but encoders not working. arrgghh
[22:28:42] <R2E4> Anyone around that knows encoders and the 7i77?