#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-11-02

[02:37:33] <Deejay> moin
[05:49:57] <tjtr33> skunksleep, you awake or is that a bot?
[05:51:41] <skunksleep> Just happen to be awake
[05:53:11] <tjtr33> moved to thailand, found a local makerspace with some machines
[05:53:20] <tjtr33> bet you busy with new baby
[05:55:18] <skunksleep> Awesome! How do you like it so far?
[05:55:51] <tjtr33_> great weather great food great savings ( cheap here ) but i miss my machines :( ,,,,,,,
[05:56:32] <tjtr33_> peteG took some of the stuff, hope he can use it
[05:56:47] <tjtr33_> other stuff went to chicagoland hackergroups
[05:57:56] <skunksleep> Cool. Pete is a nice guy.
[05:58:05] <_methods> ah man i love thailand
[05:58:11] <_methods> i'd love to move there
[05:58:18] <_methods> don't think my wife would dig it though
[05:58:23] <_methods> eat some roti for me
[05:58:36] <skunksleep> Yes. Busy is an understatement :)
[05:58:44] <tjtr33_> roti murtabak mmmmmmm
[05:59:23] <_methods> man i love that stuff
[05:59:56] <_methods> i've thought about takin a trip back to thailand to go learn how to make it lol
[06:00:05] <tjtr33_> skunksleep, i guessed that was why you were awake
[06:01:57] <skunksleep> Kind of.. I am up this early for work so I have a few extra hours with the kids at night.
[06:07:13] <tjtr33_> http://ibin.co/2LA71W46FUVU yesterday, just some alley, just some temple, just ;)
[06:09:04] <skunksleep> Neat. I assume you speak the language?
[06:09:40] <tjtr33_> mai dai passat phut thau ( i cant speak thai ) hahaha
[06:09:50] <tjtr33_> or type
[06:11:21] <tjtr33_> well its 6:46pm Mon Nov2 here so its 6:46am there, have a good day at work. ttul8r
[06:13:33] <skunksleep> Happy retirement!
[06:59:00] <SolarNRG> any welders here?
[06:59:43] <SolarNRG> quick question, I got this 14mm stainless steel pipe that I want to bend into a 90 degree corner section, if I put the two weldign clamps on the pipe can I "heat bend" it?
[07:01:34] <jthornton> if you don't care what the metal is after you can heat it
[07:01:46] <SolarNRG> ??
[07:01:46] <jthornton> don't see a welding question...
[07:02:17] <jthornton> when you heat stainless steel it will loose some if it's stainless properties
[07:02:25] <SolarNRG> No but I was thinking of clamping the positive and negative either end of the pipe about say 3/4 of a foot apart then getting the stainless pipe to glow orange hot, bend then switch off is that safe, would it work?
[07:03:06] <SolarNRG> actually could I just bend it over a propane gas stove also would that work?
[07:06:00] <SolarNRG> would the stainless after heatbending still be suitable for hot water steam distillation, cos what I want to do is boil my own urine, turn it to steam, rig it thru my condenser then collect the steam cos we don't like sodium fluoride in the tap water, we don't like water bills and the supermarket has stopped selling 99c gallon deionized water bottles
[09:37:00] <ssi> too quiet in here!
[09:37:11] * Deejay makes some noise
[09:37:56] <Deejay> :D
[09:39:00] <dr0w> Morning, I'm revisiting spindle encoder for small lathe.. I have slotted wheel and opto-sensor similar to http://7xcnc.com/hardware/encoder/
[09:39:34] <ssi> dr0w: I made one for one of my lathes
[09:39:42] <dr0w> Seems like I was looking at using opamp comparator to clean up pulse edges, didn't know if you guys could offer any input on this?
[09:39:55] <ssi> I used a schmidt trigger
[09:40:17] <ssi> here's mine
[09:40:18] <ssi> https://fbcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-0/p206x206/205204_655375525742_5631970_n.jpg?oh=408732f7952a1257adaca8836079a36d&oe=56C31B83&__gda__=1455211609_62a18ee7c122da1dfc5f00848d277b71
[09:41:31] <dr0w> ssi: that was the other approach I saw
[09:41:32] <ssi> here's the straight signals from the optos:
[09:41:32] <ssi> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/v/t1.0-9/221664_655377352082_5844353_n.jpg?oh=89bfa2c08df8f69c980a1c582451a85d&oe=56C8666A
[09:41:37] <ssi> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/207897_655377411962_259243_n.jpg?oh=756768302a1b8c802b42c6cafcbb92d2&oe=56B4A1D2
[09:41:43] <ssi> after adding schmidt triggers
[09:42:06] <dr0w> ic similar to 74LS14?
[09:42:17] <ssi> yeah I believe that's exactly what I used
[09:42:47] <ssi> I dunno, I had a bunch of bags of logic ICs around and I just scrounged fro whatever I had on hand :0
[09:43:15] <dr0w> yeah.. that's what I was thinking.. I bet I have a 7414... somewhere ;)
[09:43:29] <ssi> comparator is overkill
[09:49:33] <dr0w> ssi: thanks for the feedback
[09:51:53] <ssi> no prob
[10:03:51] <dr0w> hmm.. looks like schmitt-triggers with 3.3v logic output and through-hole format are unicorns
[10:07:40] <pcw_home> 74HC14 is available in through hole
[10:08:59] <pcw_home> (HC is 2 to 6V VCC)
[10:09:51] <pcw_home> in will _not_ be 5V tolerant with 3.3V VCC like some newer parts
[10:10:00] <pcw_home> it will
[10:11:40] <dr0w> ahh! thanks pcw_home
[10:24:00] <dr0w> ssi: btw.. what was the consideration for using three opto interrupters?
[10:25:14] <ssi> A/B/Z
[10:25:32] <ssi> the third is index... one slot in the wheel is deeper, and the Z opto is mounted deeper, so it only triggers a pulse on the deep slot
[10:25:36] <ssi> that's my index slot
[10:26:28] <dr0w> gotcha
[11:29:26] <ssi> pcw_home: what's the significance of the Unit Number in sserial?
[11:30:27] <pcw_home> it can be used in the hal naming scheme instead of the hardware tree representation
[11:30:34] <ssi> ah I see
[11:30:50] <Jymmm> I like trees!
[11:31:47] <pcw_home> so if you have 5 or 8 sserial devices plugged into a 7I44 you can swap cables around without disaster
[11:32:03] <ssi> that could actually be very useful for me in the future :)
[11:38:20] <ssi> oh god the cricket is still in here :(
[11:41:20] <JT-Shop> get some entomopathogenic fungus Metarhizium anisopliae
[11:42:35] <ssi> no clue where one would get entomopathogenic fungus Metarhizium anisopliae
[11:43:33] <jdh> amazon?
[11:44:11] <ssi> that's where I get everything else
[11:44:19] <ssi> I got a gallon of sodium silicate on amazon! :D
[11:45:03] <jdh> I ended up running my mill for the day of a usb stick live image
[12:28:21] <JT-Shop> yea, I have 24 pieces of squared and sized 7075... time to strap on the nail belt
[12:29:56] <JT-Shop> maybe rent a Mediterranean house gecko, they call the crickets out and eat them
[12:30:07] <ssi> shhh, it shut up for a bit
[12:30:08] <ssi> don't make it mad
[12:36:14] <maxcnc> Hi all
[12:36:39] <maxcnc> PCW id lake to tell you that 60feet at 7i76e works perfect
[12:38:03] <maxcnc> the mashine itself works now in a hard invirerment Dust water its a stone sculpter ;-)
[13:40:16] <WZL> bretma1234
[13:44:51] <cradek> WZL: you might want to change that password now.
[13:45:14] <Tom_itx> naw just leave it..
[13:45:15] <ssi> lol I hate that
[13:46:05] <Tom_itx> once a guy in another channel posted a pic of something he was working on which also included a pic of his open wallet with CC no's showing clearly
[13:46:36] <Tom_itx> of course we told him..
[13:46:40] <Tom_itx> after we..
[13:48:17] <WZL> haha F***** multi screen :)
[13:50:50] <WZL> now that I have your attention: what is a better place for the pc mainboard? the back cabinet or the fron panel? I'm will use mesa cards
[13:50:57] <MacGalempsy> hello
[13:51:49] <Tom_itx> WZL whichever will get you the shortest data cables to it and what the mesa card will be hooked to
[13:54:18] <WZL> I will re write my question: what is most trouble prone? the usb cable (touch screen, keyboard, pendrive) or the data cable between mesa cards?
[13:54:55] <Tom_itx> whichever one isn't properly shielded and grounded
[13:58:06] <PCW> if you have a big distance from the PC to the control box, its better to use on of the Ethernet FPGA cards
[13:59:21] <PCW> see above ^^^
[13:59:23] <PCW> "maxcnc PCW id lake to tell you that 60feet at 7i76e works perfect"
[13:59:57] <WZL> PCW: is about 2 meters: back panel https://goo.gl/photos/9ugxdtG9Sx3WhUfU8 and front https://goo.gl/photos/6WWuxSTPRRm3zVNJA
[14:00:20] <Tom_itx> wrong button
[14:02:11] <PCW> 2-3 meters is about the limit I would recommend especially for the 7I77 /5i25 or 6I25
[14:02:13] <PCW> any longer and a 7I92/7I77 or 7I76E is better
[14:02:57] <WZL> ok, will be in the back cabinet then
[14:04:03] <PCW> how far is trouble free depends on grounding and EMI environment
[14:07:18] <WZL> I just finish the homing switch rebuil and this is a short video : https://goo.gl/photos/MDMTFJ5B3QnR2FfY7 I know that everyone here likes a cnc video
[14:08:37] <ssi> pcw_home: what's the pd field "param_add" for? Is that the address in the remote's memory space where the pd value lives, in case the host wants to read/write it directly?
[14:10:29] <aventtini6> hello guys
[14:11:00] <aventtini6> Zeeshan are you on?
[14:11:12] <Tom_itx> i doubt he is right now
[14:11:27] <aventtini6> i got some news i just got another mikron
[14:11:29] <aventtini6> :d
[14:11:39] <aventtini6> just came today
[14:11:56] <aventtini6> right
[14:11:58] <aventtini6> tom
[14:12:02] <aventtini6> forget
[14:51:45] <PCW> ssi: yes
[15:07:15] <ssi> cool thanks
[15:54:21] <Erant> PCW: Would you happen to know if order 1607 is likely to ship this week? I was planning on taking a day off and doing some work on the mill, but no motion control means no work :)
[15:55:46] <FinboySlick> Erant: Kids today... In my day, we'd stick the input leads to our tongue and generate the pulses by hand with pressure switches.
[15:56:35] <XXCoder> earth was non-ecludian too, because we walked to school and back, in snow, uphill both ways.
[15:56:54] <FinboySlick> Back when real men could do process 30khz per tastebud.
[16:07:07] <cpresser> FinboySlick: i used butterflys for that.
[16:07:39] <FinboySlick> Manly butterflies!
[16:07:46] <cpresser> https://xkcd.com/378/
[16:15:01] <Erant> FinboySlick: I can do 30kHz, only that'd move my table at...
[16:15:37] <Erant> 10ipm
[16:15:59] <Erant> or like 3ipm if I keep the electronic gearing on in the servo
[16:16:02] <Erant> (Which I won't)
[16:16:11] <FinboySlick> Hehe. Have to go.
[16:22:37] <Contract_Pilot> Sup...
[16:22:53] <Contract_Pilot> got my mesa cards today!
[16:23:27] <Contract_Pilot> Not sure what to do with the 7i77
[16:23:40] <Erant> Which one is that one?
[16:31:29] <Contract_Pilot> for the servo's
[16:33:03] <WZL> I´m waiting for a 7i77 also, is the analog outputs card + encoders + io
[16:33:27] <Deejay> gn8
[16:36:20] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/AK-Parts-Gun-Show-Display-1024x576.jpeg
[16:37:45] <andypugh> FinboySlick: Have you seen: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html
[16:42:53] <Contract_Pilot> had a Solenoid fail in my transmission on the way home not fun creaping in 2nd gear
[16:55:01] <andypugh> Contract_Pilot: When you say “not sure what to do with it” what do you mean?
[16:55:58] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, not sure if i want to do servo on my G0704 now or just trade it off for 7I76.
[17:09:18] <andypugh> I take it you don’t have motors and drives then?
[17:13:34] <andypugh> I thought this was funny,(the guy’s reaction) and it shows that stepper machines don’t have to be slow and weak: https://youtu.be/itL4S6UmsqU?t=2m51s
[17:13:50] <andypugh> But I still think that servos generally perform better.
[17:17:40] <Sync> well, it all depends on the drive
[17:19:56] <Sync> I always wonder about those GMT vises
[17:21:04] <Sync> they are pretty expensive for the chinese vises they are
[17:21:19] <ssi> they used to be pretty reasonably priced
[17:21:21] <ssi> I wanted to buy one
[17:21:28] <ssi> but now they're almost as much as a kurt
[17:23:50] <Sync> I don't like that style of vise anymore
[17:24:12] <Tom_itx> so just buy a kurt instead tehn
[17:26:02] <Sync> I got two grinding vises
[17:26:26] <Sync> as I need to hold long parts quite often
[17:28:29] <Sync> and they came as a matched pair, they are within 2µm
[17:36:42] <JT-Shop> you ought to see the deer run when the feeder goes off... they only go 50 yards and stop then walk back for chow
[17:49:33] <JT-Shop> is this somewhat current? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EMC_With_Custom_Kernel
[18:09:17] <Sync> I need to stop watching people using tormach machines
[18:09:45] <Sync> I am really not sure what to think of them
[18:11:09] <ssi> lol what do you mean
[18:11:36] <JT-Shop> you can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant
[18:12:46] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[18:14:54] <Sync> well, they are not using proper machine cabling and stuff
[18:14:59] <Sync> but I guess you get what you pay for
[18:31:33] <andypugh> i think Tormach have found a place between cheap and industrial.
[18:32:57] <andypugh> So, high-end hobby or low-volume commercial. It’s a hard balance to strike, but I think thet they have done it quite well.
[18:33:22] <cradek> JT-Shop: jeez no, that's super old
[18:33:54] <cradek> JT-Shop: try one of the debian -rt kernels, or try our rtai kernel, but for pete's sake don't build your own
[18:34:41] <andypugh> Building a kernel is fun, I learned a lot. Mainly that I don’t know how to build a kernel :-)
[18:35:42] <andypugh> (it took me a lot of effort to do it, I didn’t gain much, only one “recipe” on the internet worked, and that one won’t work now.
[18:36:21] <andypugh> If you like Mate, run Mate on Wheezy
[18:36:31] <Contract_Pilot> Feel like Crud!
[18:37:16] <andypugh> Is that good or bad?
[18:37:42] <Contract_Pilot> Bad! Sinus infection.
[18:38:01] <Contract_Pilot> Want to play but do not feel well http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Measa-Cards-5I25-7I76-7i77-1024x878.jpg
[18:38:58] <Contract_Pilot> back to bed for rest.
[18:39:40] <andypugh> Probably best.
[18:39:53] <andypugh> Though, getting very drunk might work too.
[18:40:47] <andypugh> Southen Comfort clears the passages at least as well as cough medicine, is slightly cheaper, and makes you care less that you are ill too.
[18:41:47] <andypugh> Contract_Pilot: But, you could do just this, to make yourself feel that you have played with the new toys.
[18:42:35] <andypugh> Plug in the 5i25, open a terminal. halrun / loadrt hostmot2 / loadrt hm2_pci / show pin
[18:42:57] <andypugh> You have now booted and used your 5i25.
[18:43:09] <andypugh> Then, if you feel inspired:
[18:43:15] <andypugh> loadrt threads
[18:43:29] <andypugh> addf hm2_5i25.0.write thread1
[18:43:46] <andypugh> setp hm2_5i35.0.led-1 1
[18:43:51] <andypugh> start
[18:44:05] <andypugh> Yeah! you turned an LED on the card :-)
[18:50:22] <andypugh> (To make the 7i77 or 7i76 work properly you need to provide field power, so I didn’t bother with those)
[19:03:03] <Jymmm> Well... hail from hell is upon me!
[19:03:16] <Jymmm> Yes, hell did freeze over =)
[19:09:41] <PetefromTn_> you got hail?
[19:11:57] <Jymmm> Yep, beat the shit out of me too. That shit hurt! lol
[19:12:17] <PetefromTn_> hehe why in the hell were you outside in a hailstorm?
[19:12:40] <Jymmm> Unexpected, and had to mvoe some plants
[19:12:58] <jdh> I got some absurdly expensive 316 parts printed. I brought them home to finish on my chinese mill.
[19:14:01] <PetefromTn_> I had a bunch of rail orders with black anodize so I decided to take them to Knoxvegas to let them do it to save some time. Man those guys are good at that they look silky smooth
[19:14:14] <jdh> just black, or hard?
[19:14:39] <PetefromTn_> hard black
[19:15:15] <ssi> pete likes the hard black
[19:15:30] * jdh nods
[19:15:34] <PetefromTn_> har de har har har
[19:15:49] <ssi> http://www.theonion.com/article/customer-who-declined-initial-offer-assistance-flo-51771
[19:15:50] <PetefromTn_> got that Z runnin yet?
[19:16:01] <ssi> no I'm working on the servo drives
[19:16:04] <ssi> make up your minds!
[19:16:19] <PetefromTn_> just got an email from DHL
[19:16:27] <PetefromTn_> my servos and drives are enroute!
[19:17:15] <PetefromTn_> how is that news?
[19:17:22] <ssi> wat
[19:17:33] <PetefromTn_> what you just posted
[19:17:39] <ssi> you're kidding, right?
[19:18:13] <jdh> it's often subtle
[19:18:20] <PetefromTn_> customer who declined initial offer of assistance?
[19:18:58] <ssi> it's ok pete
[19:19:01] <ssi> I won't let anything scary hurt you
[19:19:11] <PetefromTn_> wtf are you talking about?
[19:20:11] <PetefromTn_> OK let me rephrase...what was your purpose in posting that link?
[19:20:22] <ssi> enlightmenment and enjoyment
[19:21:46] <PetefromTn_> https://lexington.craigslist.org/pts/5252795235.html ;)
[19:22:07] <ssi> HOW IS THAT NEWS
[19:22:19] <PetefromTn_> its not
[19:22:49] <PetefromTn_> have I pissed in your cheerio's today or somethin?
[19:22:59] <ssi> lol no
[19:23:33] <PetefromTn_> https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/5293963873.html I need this closer with a 5 speed :D
[19:24:25] <ssi> lol yep
[19:24:46] <PetefromTn_> https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/5295694105.html this looks nice
[19:31:04] <ssi> PCW: during discovery, when the remote is reporting the number of input bytes for pdrpc, does that count include the fault byte or not
[19:45:32] <PetefromTn_> Okay sports fans.... gonna order up that main board/CPU combo
[19:45:39] <PetefromTn_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565&cm_re=Q1900M_pro3-_-13-157-565-_-Product
[19:45:58] <PetefromTn_> got any recommendations for a good power supply and SSD to go along with it?
[19:50:30] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aloris-AXA-35-Dovetail-Chuck-Collet-Drilling-Holder-for-Tool-Post-Made-in-USA-/251616540608?hash=item3a9583b7c0:m:mgQQYYlhILbIde0lfFXziHA These look cool
[19:51:16] <malcom2073> That's.... interesting
[19:51:19] <malcom2073> For when you just don't have a tailstock?
[19:54:01] <PetefromTn_> well actually on a CNC lathe you can peck drill etc as well as tap with this sort of arrangement
[19:54:23] <malcom2073> Ah that makes sense
[19:54:49] <PetefromTn_> plus if you have several you can run thru a program with different tools without having to change the tailstock tool each time
[19:55:21] <PetefromTn_> I intend to build something similar that has multiple tools on one holder kinda gang tool in miniature
[19:58:10] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKRlQaJQwp8
[19:59:20] <PCW> ssi: yes, it includes the fault byte
[20:03:45] <malcom2073> Fancy
[20:05:04] <PetefromTn_> PCW is this the board you had tested for performance etc? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565&cm_re=Q1900M_pro3-_-13-157-565-_-Product
[20:06:50] <PCW> I haven't (I have some J1800 and J1900 CPUs but not that one) But people on the forum have tested that one and it seems OK
[20:07:37] <PetefromTn_> is there a better choice currently for my CNC lathe in your opinion? I was about to order it..
[20:08:04] <PCW> I think its a decent choice
[20:08:15] <PetefromTn_> ok thank you
[20:08:46] <PCW> (unless you want something faster with a fan)
[20:09:29] <PetefromTn_> do you think I should? I am open to suggestions here but I want something relatively compact
[20:11:01] <zeeshan> mmm compact !
[20:11:15] <PCW> there are Mini-ITX J1900s
[20:11:40] <zeeshan> is there something faster than the 1900
[20:11:46] <zeeshan> w/ parallel port
[20:12:03] <PCW> J2900 but those are not common
[20:12:39] <zeeshan> hehe i got a i7 4770k
[20:12:46] <zeeshan> and cpu mark gives it a 10178 score
[20:12:52] <zeeshan> and the j2900 2,046
[20:12:58] <PCW> If you are OK with a fan, the Intel G32XX CPUs are fast and have good latency
[20:13:00] <zeeshan> no idea how that score is calculated
[20:13:07] <PCW> (and are cheap)
[20:13:20] <PCW> bbl dinner!
[20:13:25] <PetefromTn_> thanks
[21:55:42] <PetefromTn_> how much ram would you guys recommend for that asrock board for running linuxCNC?
[21:58:57] <Jymmm> 8 if you can
[21:59:14] <Jymmm> Can run on less if you need to iirc
[21:59:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah they have 8g long DMM at newegg there for like $38
[21:59:34] <Jymmm> Yeh, I know.
[21:59:58] <Jymmm> Personally, I'm a ram whore =)
[22:00:17] <PetefromTn_> I know it maxes at 16g apparently
[22:00:24] <Jymmm> Heh
[22:00:38] <Jymmm> That's what they said about my computer too....
[22:00:42] <PetefromTn_> just not sure it is necessary for running linuxCNC
[22:00:54] <Jymmm> for lcnc, 8 is fine
[22:01:02] <PetefromTn_> cool
[22:01:09] <Tom_itx> 2 is also fine
[22:01:21] <PetefromTn_> 2g?
[22:01:38] <Jymmm> yeah
[22:01:53] <Tom_itx> i got 8 in these
[22:02:04] <PetefromTn_> how do you determine the best PPS for the PC ?
[22:02:06] <Jymmm> But 8G if you even want to repurpose that box in the future, or do other things with it like browser, intent, drawing, etc
[22:02:27] <Jymmm> PPS? Pulse Per Secind?
[22:03:06] <PetefromTn_> the only time this machine will ever see the net is if I need to get online to download linuxCNC stuff or to get help from you guys
[22:03:11] <PetefromTn_> power supply
[22:03:30] <Tom_itx> i got a case that came with a psu
[22:03:36] <Tom_itx> it doesn't need much
[22:03:45] <PetefromTn_> I won't be needing a case
[22:03:46] <Tom_itx> the itx one is using one of those pico psu's
[22:04:04] <Tom_itx> i don't think you can use that on the atx one but they may have one you can
[22:04:10] <PetefromTn_> I plan to built the PC into the electronics enclosure like I did the Cincinatti
[22:04:13] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Do you walk into a store and ask for a "Power Supply Unit"?
[22:04:43] <Tom_itx> http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.417/.f?sc=8&category=13
[22:04:47] <Tom_itx> that's what's in this one
[22:04:59] <Tom_itx> with a 5A? wart
[22:05:23] <PetefromTn_> thats a DC power supply
[22:05:43] <Tom_itx> it sure is
[22:05:52] <Tom_itx> with a 12v 5A wart on it
[22:07:11] <Tom_itx> Jymmm you do if it's walmart
[22:07:47] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, you don't need much of a supply for it
[22:09:40] <ssi> Tom_itx: I'm using the same thing
[22:09:40] <Tom_itx> if you get one of those little ones just make sure it's got all the plugs you need for an atx
[22:09:41] <PetefromTn_> I wanted to get a typical PC power supply with multiple outputs in case I want to power my other stuff with it possibly. What is a good brand name for one of those
[22:10:03] <Tom_itx> i'd get one of those cheapass cases and pull the supply from it then
[22:10:07] <ssi> PetefromTn_: better off using a picopsu like that and powering it with your "real" power supplies
[22:10:12] <Tom_itx> for like $59
[22:10:27] <ssi> I wouldn't trust a pc psu to power anything outside the comptuer
[22:10:38] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, i run that pico psu 24/7 for several years now with not a hitch
[22:11:04] <Tom_itx> i did get a new one with that board i showed you though
[22:11:15] <Tom_itx> the original one didn't have enough plugs or i'd have used it
[22:11:40] <Tom_itx> too old to have sata plugs on it :)
[22:13:17] <Tom_itx> http://www.mini-box.com/Power-Supplies-Kits
[22:13:22] <Tom_itx> you can get the wart with it there
[22:13:34] <PetefromTn_> hang on I am trying to figure out what kind I used in the Cincinatti
[22:14:01] <Tom_itx> http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-120-102W-power-kit
[22:14:09] <Tom_itx> that's what i got on this one right now
[22:14:21] <Tom_itx> this is the itx ver of the same board though
[22:14:41] <Tom_itx> 2 less pci slots
[22:14:57] <Tom_itx> thus smaller board
[22:17:32] <PetefromTn_> jeez I can't remember where I bought it from now
[22:17:42] <PetefromTn_> can't find it in my records either LOL
[22:22:13] <Tom_itx> that last one ^^ should work on that board
[22:22:15] <PetefromTn_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139108&cm_re=PC_power_supply-_-17-139-108-_-Product
[22:22:20] <PetefromTn_> something like that
[22:22:30] <Tom_itx> you may want a couple extra Y connectors for extra stuff
[22:22:35] <Tom_itx> that's up to you
[22:23:06] <Tom_itx> that's way overkill for it
[22:23:52] <PetefromTn_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438016&cm_re=PC_power_supply-_-17-438-016-_-Product
[22:23:57] <Tom_itx> takes up a hunk of real estate too
[22:24:17] <PetefromTn_> real estate is not that much of a concern but longevity is
[22:24:32] <PetefromTn_> honestly the electronics cabinet on the machine is MASSIVE
[22:24:39] <Tom_itx> i've run the pico psu 120 for years on end 24/7
[22:24:48] <PetefromTn_> and considering that I have a helluva lot less to put in it
[22:25:35] <PetefromTn_> IE 2 axes and a spindle drive, low voltage power supply and some contactors and other stuff this should be considerably easier and less complex than even the Cincinatti is
[22:27:00] <Tom_itx> the big one also has a fan that will fail
[22:27:56] <Tom_itx> i'm running this one with a 40mm fan throttled back so low you can barely hear it
[22:28:03] <Tom_itx> and i probably don't need it at all
[22:28:24] <Tom_itx> it was already in the case so i plugged it in
[22:28:46] <PetefromTn_> what is that silver plug thing on the end?
[22:28:54] <Tom_itx> 12v in
[22:29:03] <Tom_itx> bananna plug
[22:29:25] <pcw_home> Another option is a 12V powered MB
[22:29:26] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157495&cm_re=j1900-_-13-157-495-_-Product
[22:29:29] <PetefromTn_> I will say that your solution is compact
[22:30:19] <Tom_itx> it's nice having the parport though
[22:30:30] <PetefromTn_> parallel port?
[22:30:31] <Tom_itx> does that one have a mb plug for one?
[22:30:33] <Tom_itx> yes
[22:30:41] <PetefromTn_> I have no need for a parallel port
[22:31:37] <PetefromTn_> I plan to setup the machine's system with a 24v power supply for field power and everything just like the cincinatti
[22:31:52] <PetefromTn_> probably look to buy an identical power supply for that
[22:32:31] <zeeshan> i tried searching for a compact din rail mounted psu
[22:32:33] <zeeshan> but failed
[22:32:44] <zeeshan> had to put those hunk of crap atx psu on the din rail
[22:33:35] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASTEC-POWER-SUPPLY-M-ACV-24N3-6-SEE-DESC-USED-/191728068586?hash=item2ca3e227ea
[22:33:44] <PetefromTn_> that is the type of power supply I have in my Cincinatti
[22:33:58] <PetefromTn_> it is identical to the one it came from the manufacturer with
[22:34:04] <zeeshan> im liking this 12v motherboard
[22:34:06] <zeeshan> how about 24v? :D
[22:34:21] <PetefromTn_> you can run 12v off the 24v power supply I think
[22:35:50] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-IN-BOX-ASTEC-ACV24N4-8-POWER-SUPPLY-24V-OUTPUT-/151812672134?hash=item2358bd8a86
[22:36:21] <PetefromTn_> that 12v board is pretty expensive relatively
[22:37:32] <pcw_home> If you use Ethernet, this should work (mounted to the back of the monitor)
[22:37:33] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856164024&cm_re=j1900-_-56-164-024-_-Product
[22:38:23] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MEAN-WELL-S-150-24-SINGLE-CHANNEL-150-WATT-POWER-SUPPLY-24-VDC-OUTPUT-/360654151206?hash=item53f8a99e26:g:oH8AAOxyJ-FRjV5F
[22:38:25] <zeeshan> i use this on the mill
[22:38:34] <PetefromTn_> I have the 5i25/7i77
[22:39:37] <PetefromTn_> that looks decent
[22:39:49] <PetefromTn_> I have no idea what wattage my Power supply is
[22:40:56] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNPVt3cMkT0 interesting
[22:44:52] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx that power supply you have I am kinda liking since it is so small and basically mounts to the board essentially
[22:46:01] <PetefromTn_> the only thing I am wondering is how do you kill power to it other than manually unplugging it
[22:46:33] <Tom_itx> that's quite effective
[22:46:41] <Tom_itx> put a relay on it if you need one
[22:47:13] <PetefromTn_> there have been situations where while working on the machine that I had to repower the PC and having to physically unplug it would be kind of annoying
[22:47:44] <Tom_itx> you could splice in a toggle switch if you needed one
[22:47:53] <ssi> or just a momentary NC
[22:47:55] <PetefromTn_> true
[22:47:55] <ssi> a hard reset button
[22:48:00] <PetefromTn_> its just DC right
[22:48:06] <ssi> yeah
[22:48:07] <Tom_itx> that's it
[22:48:21] <PetefromTn_> I am wondering also about that 12v board PCW posted
[22:48:35] <ssi> a picopsu makes any board into a 12v board
[22:48:37] <PetefromTn_> the power supply for the machine is as I posted
[22:48:49] <PetefromTn_> true
[22:49:03] <PetefromTn_> but the pico psu kit is 50 bucks or so and the board is like 70
[22:49:11] <PetefromTn_> and the 12v board is 90
[22:49:13] <PetefromTn_> or so
[22:49:25] <ssi> I don't recall the picopsu being nearly that much
[22:49:33] <PetefromTn_> I just wonder if the power supply I am using will run the whole show
[22:49:37] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: If you need to "switch" the pc on/off, let me know.
[22:49:50] <PetefromTn_> http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-120-102W-power-kit
[22:49:59] <ssi> do you need 120W?
[22:50:03] <PetefromTn_> Jymm ?
[22:50:05] <ssi> 80W one is $24.50 on amazon
[22:50:08] <ssi> 90W is $29
[22:50:22] <PetefromTn_> I don't know what I need
[22:50:30] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: There is a way to turn the PS on/off for the 20/24pin connector
[22:50:38] <Jymmm> from*
[22:50:50] <PetefromTn_> you mean the parallel port?
[22:51:35] <ssi> oh nice they make wide input picopsus
[22:51:38] <ssi> 12-32V input
[22:51:39] <PetefromTn_> the cincinatti is setup with basically a built in PC using a typical PC box power supply and running 120v from the back of the machine to the front to the PC
[22:51:43] <ssi> that could be powered from your 24v field supply
[22:51:53] <ssi> but they're more money of course :/
[22:52:21] <PetefromTn_> If the power supply and board combo is about the same price I am not terribly concerned
[22:52:37] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Box-picoPSU-120-WI-25-worlds-tiniest-12-25V/dp/B005TWE488/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1446524883&sr=8-6&keywords=picopsu+wide+input
[22:52:38] <PetefromTn_> my big concern is if the 24v supply is big enough
[22:52:47] <ssi> that's 120W, and it'll run on 24v
[22:53:04] <ssi> just buy a big enough 24 supply :)
[22:53:26] <ssi> the pico is probably 80% efficient, so it needs at most 150W of input power
[22:53:35] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-IN-BOX-ASTEC-ACV24N4-8-POWER-SUPPLY-24V-OUTPUT-/151812672134?hash=item2358bd8a86 that is the supply I plan to use
[22:53:38] <ssi> that's 6a, but realistically you're not going to use anything like 120W
[22:54:12] <ssi> unless you're using ZeeshanMath(tm)
[22:54:46] <ssi> why that supply
[22:54:56] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mean-Well-MW-24V-14-6A-350W-AC-DC-Switching-Power-Supply-NES-350-24-UL-PSU-/331692579652?hash=item4d3a6b1b44:g:NYIAAOxyNwNSIZnI
[22:55:07] <ssi> $15 cheaper, 3x more current, and 100% more reputable :)
[22:55:15] <zeeshan> i kinda like pete's supply
[22:55:16] <PetefromTn_> well because it is the same as the one in the cincinatti that has lasted for a very long time
[22:55:18] <zeeshan> cause its linear
[22:55:24] <zeeshan> less change of blow up
[22:55:25] <ssi> is it?
[22:55:38] <zeeshan> looks like it to me :P
[22:55:38] <ssi> yea I guess so
[22:55:46] <ssi> that explains why so little current for so many moneys
[22:55:57] <zeeshan> .8A?
[22:56:06] <ssi> 4.8A
[22:56:06] <zeeshan> that wouldnt even turn on my light bulb
[22:56:08] <zeeshan> :D
[22:56:12] <zeeshan> jk
[22:56:13] <PetefromTn_> it works great on the cincinatti but there was concern about output
[22:56:41] <PetefromTn_> everything on the cinci is 24v now
[22:56:51] <PetefromTn_> it WAS 120v originally
[22:56:57] <zeeshan> zzap
[22:57:05] <ssi> Astec Power Supply is no longer in business and/or Astec Power Supply no longer provides factory-authorized support service for its legacy products. End users in all markets such as Manufacturing, Computers, Industrial, Medical, Aerospace, Military, Simulation, Semi-conductor, Laser, etc are being impacted.
[22:57:09] <ssi> Need Astec Power Supply 48 Volts? 5 Volt? 24 Volt? 36 Volt? 65 Volt? It does not matter.
[22:57:12] <ssi> Need Astec Power Supplies 25 Amps? 50 Amps? 100 Amps? 200 Amps? It does not matter.
[22:57:16] <ssi> lol
[22:57:36] <ssi> I think astec used to make big linear toroid power transformers that I used for audio stuff
[22:57:39] <ssi> sucks that they don't anymore
[22:57:45] <PetefromTn_> I am just trying to components that are proven to last
[22:58:03] <ssi> well obviously astec the company didn't last :)
[22:58:13] <PetefromTn_> yeah I got that thanks
[22:58:21] <zeeshan> rofl
[22:58:25] <ssi> personally I wouldn't use a linear supply
[22:58:29] <zeeshan> y
[22:58:33] <zeeshan> they last forever
[22:58:41] <ssi> not necessarily true
[22:58:44] <ssi> they're far less efficient
[22:58:54] <ssi> they're much CLEANER
[22:59:02] <PetefromTn_> the one in my machine WOULD have lasted forever had I not blown it to smithereenes
[22:59:03] <ssi> but that's not so important for this application
[22:59:25] <PetefromTn_> the one I replaced it with is identical
[22:59:54] <PetefromTn_> they're also not chinese I believe
[23:00:49] <ssi> not us made
[23:00:52] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I bridgeported a RX7 case today ;)
[23:00:53] <ssi> phillipines maybe
[23:01:05] <ssi> anyway, meanwell switchers are chinese, but they're very good quality supplies
[23:01:10] <ssi> that's the last I'll say about it :)
[23:01:15] <zeeshan> nice
[23:01:28] <zeeshan> taiwanese
[23:01:33] <zeeshan> i thought, not chinese
[23:01:34] <Jymmm> But ssi's MEAN WELL
[23:01:40] <ssi> taiwan is china
[23:01:42] * ssi ducks
[23:01:46] <zeeshan> wat
[23:01:47] <PetefromTn_> I would not mind saving a few bucks if you think it is a quality unit
[23:01:59] <zeeshan> meanwell is top notch
[23:02:01] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I wouldn't hesitate to use meanwell switchers
[23:02:04] <ssi> they're great supplies
[23:02:10] <zeeshan> it even beats some american supplies
[23:02:12] <ssi> yep
[23:02:17] <PetefromTn_> and that one you linked you guys would recommend
[23:02:25] <ssi> yeah
[23:02:55] <PetefromTn_> is it like my linear where you can hook to it and get 12 or 24v?
[23:03:00] <zeeshan> no
[23:03:02] <ssi> no, it's a 24v supply
[23:03:18] <PetefromTn_> so's mine
[23:03:27] <PetefromTn_> but its basically two 12v supplies
[23:03:30] <Jymmm> LICK IT
[23:03:36] <PetefromTn_> and you go across both to get the 24v
[23:03:45] <PetefromTn_> or you can hook to one side and get 12v
[23:04:21] <PetefromTn_> why does it appear to have 9 terminals?
[23:04:43] <ssi> L/N/G COM COM COM V+ V+ V+
[23:04:49] <PetefromTn_> oh shit thats an auction
[23:05:06] <PetefromTn_> so multiple 24v outputs
[23:05:08] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KTJE3L4?keywords=meanwell%2024v&qid=1446525660&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1
[23:05:14] <ssi> it's just multiple terminals to the same bus
[23:05:27] <Jymmm> http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HLB1p6vUFVXXXXXvXVXXq6xXFXXXB/202807877/HLB1p6vUFVXXXXXvXVXXq6xXFXXXB.jpg
[23:05:29] <ssi> last time I ordered one of those from amazon, I got mofugg'n SAME DAY SHIPPING for $9
[23:05:59] <PetefromTn_> mofuggn?
[23:06:04] <ssi> you heard me
[23:06:25] <PetefromTn_> thats a 350 watt unit
[23:06:32] <ssi> same as the one i linked from ebay
[23:06:40] * Jymmm runs ssi thrut eh ebonics translator.... He meant mofo
[23:06:49] <anomynous> what is UL switching?
[23:07:00] <ssi> Jymmm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0j2dVuhr6s
[23:07:17] <Jymmm> anomynous: the inverse of DL switching
[23:07:26] <anomynous> what is DL switching?
[23:07:34] <ssi> anomynous: a switching supply that is UL listed? :P
[23:07:37] <Jymmm> anomynous: the inverse of UL switching
[23:07:37] <PetefromTn_> okay so lets say I get that switcher
[23:07:42] <ssi> coupled witha poorly written title?
[23:07:49] <PetefromTn_> and I get that pico that takes 24v
[23:07:49] <anomynous> upload and download electricity?
[23:07:56] <Jymmm> exactly
[23:07:58] <PetefromTn_> and that 12v main board
[23:08:05] <PetefromTn_> will that all work together?
[23:08:10] <ssi> you don't need the 12v main board in that case
[23:08:14] <ssi> you need a regular motherboard
[23:08:18] <PetefromTn_> ok
[23:08:28] <ssi> the 12v board is designed to be fed directly from 12v
[23:08:33] <PetefromTn_> sure
[23:08:35] <ssi> which you won't have if you use the switcher
[23:08:42] <anomynous> Jymmm, so what does it mean in practice?
[23:08:57] <PetefromTn_> I thought there was a need for 12v in the system somewhere
[23:08:59] <Jymmm> anomynous: Were you serious?
[23:09:09] <anomynous> no. I was asking seriously
[23:09:10] <anomynous> ;D
[23:09:17] <ssi> Jymmm: with great troll comes great responsibility
[23:09:24] <anomynous> ssi ;D
[23:09:36] <ssi> anomynous: UL means that it's less likely to blow up and/or kill you than most chinese power supplies
[23:09:38] <Jymmm> anomynous: UL = Underwriters Labratory certification http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=E183223&ccnshorttitle=Power+Supplies,+Information+Technology+Equipment+Including+Electrical+Business+Equipment+-+Component&objid=1073788113&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073787374&sequence=1
[23:09:55] <Jymmm> anomynous: Switching (as opposed to linear PS)
[23:10:18] <PetefromTn_> I must say that a more powerful power supply coupled with a PC power supply that is tiny and does not require custom mounting is appealing
[23:10:19] <ssi> s/most/non-UL-listed/
[23:10:26] <Jymmm> they just ran out of room on the label to sspace it out
[23:10:35] <anomynous> thats cool. what is a switching power source?
[23:10:37] <ssi> PetefromTn_: that's how I'd do it
[23:10:49] <ssi> anomynous: the two main topologies of power supplies are switching and linear
[23:10:59] <PetefromTn_> I had to make custom mounts for the box power supply in the cinci as well as build and run the 120v cabling
[23:11:00] <ssi> they are built drastically differently and are good for different applications
[23:11:09] <PetefromTn_> sure
[23:11:19] <Jymmm> switching PS are emi/rfi noisey
[23:11:20] <anomynous> ssi, thanks ;D
[23:11:30] <PetefromTn_> do those have overload and short protections etc?
[23:11:31] <ssi> Jymmm: yes, but way more efficient
[23:11:35] <ssi> PetefromTn_: yes
[23:11:50] <PetefromTn_> they are noisy?
[23:12:04] <ssi> PetefromTn_: electrically noisy
[23:12:08] <ssi> moreso than linear supplies
[23:12:11] <ssi> nothing you need to be concerned about
[23:12:19] <PetefromTn_> are ya sure?
[23:12:23] <ssi> if you were using it to build some studio pro audio gear, I might steer you toward a linear supply
[23:12:26] <Jymmm> yes, he's sure
[23:12:44] <Jymmm> or if you had servo/stepper motors involved
[23:12:55] <ssi> oh boy here we go
[23:12:59] <Jymmm> lol
[23:13:14] <PetefromTn_> I want this thing to be DEAD reliable like the Cinci has been so I am taking your advice here guys... don't tell me something unless you are really sure of it
[23:13:23] * Jymmm wonders how long it'll take PetefromTn_ to figure that I'm fucking with him?
[23:13:51] <PetefromTn_> okay recap
[23:13:55] * ssi wonders how long he'll keep trying to convince pete he's not an idiot before pete finally takes advice
[23:14:00] <anomynous> ah so switching power source generates different output voltages?
[23:14:04] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: It's a PS, all elecronics fail, you replace them. This is not 1920's
[23:14:21] <PetefromTn_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KTJE3L4?keywords=meanwell%2024v&qid=1446525660&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1 power supply
[23:14:30] <ssi> anomynous: the point of all power supplies is to turn some voltage into some other voltage
[23:14:45] <PetefromTn_> http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Box-picoPSU-120-WI-25-worlds-tiniest-12-25V/dp/B005TWE488/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1446524883&sr=8-6&keywords=picopsu+wide+input PC supply
[23:14:58] <Jymmm> anomynous: A switching ps takes the impute and jacks it up to hight votlage (4KV+), then brings it back tdown to desired votlage(s)
[23:15:08] <PetefromTn_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565&cm_re=Q1900M_pro3-_-13-157-565-_-Product main board
[23:15:53] <Jymmm> Err, HV at around 90KHz (thus the "switching" part =)
[23:15:59] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I don't know anything about that board, but if pcw said it's good to go then you're probably in good shape
[23:16:13] <PetefromTn_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139975 DMM
[23:16:44] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281783475263
[23:16:46] <PetefromTn_> I need to get this shiznit ordered here so I can start building this beotch ;)
[23:16:57] <ssi> what I don't know is if you can use the picopsu with any old board
[23:16:59] <anomynous> why should it do that?
[23:17:05] <ssi> I know it works on itx boards
[23:17:16] <ssi> I imagine it won't work on any board that requires a 4 pin power cable for the cpu
[23:17:20] <ssi> but I dunno
[23:17:56] <ssi> PetefromTn_: also you need to make sure that it's the right memory
[23:18:06] <ssi> a lot of memory requies you to populate it in pairs
[23:18:07] <Jymmm> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148540&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=ddr3_ram-_-20-148-540-_-Product
[23:18:09] <ssi> buying a single stick may not work?
[23:18:22] <ssi> it's been a long time since I've screwed with pc hardware in depth so I dunno offhand
[23:18:39] <Jymmm> 2x 4GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148544&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=ddr3_ram-_-20-148-540-_-Product
[23:18:45] <PetefromTn_> I generally don't know shit about PC hardware which is why I am asking you guys hehe
[23:18:47] <anomynous> linear power source = regulator component soldered on to a pcb? ;D
[23:19:01] <ssi> anomynous: it's not that black and white
[23:19:43] <Jymmm> The two links I gave have FAR better reviews
[23:19:45] <ssi> anomynous: in the context we're talking about power supplies, a linear supply is a stepdown transformer, a rectifier, some filter caps, and a linear regulator component
[23:19:57] <PetefromTn_> those are not the 1333 or 1066
[23:20:04] <Jymmm> and are 1600 instead of 1333
[23:20:15] <Jymmm> Yeah, ther's faster
[23:20:29] <PetefromTn_> but not compatible with that board?
[23:20:40] <anomynous> and switcher is some system which generates multiple output voltages
[23:20:48] <Jymmm> you can always go faster ram
[23:21:07] <anomynous> hmhm
[23:21:09] <PetefromTn_> can you I don't honestly know
[23:21:18] <Jymmm> I just said it
[23:21:58] <Jymmm> But check the mfr's compatability list for your mobo
[23:22:05] <Jymmm> if you want a guarntee
[23:23:39] <Jymmm> My system maxes out at 16GB per mfr. I have 24gb installed, running perfectly, and still have room to goto 32GB =)
[23:23:53] <anomynous> why do you need that much ram?
[23:23:54] <PetefromTn_> ok
[23:24:12] <Jymmm> anomynous: VM's mostly
[23:24:14] <PetefromTn_> ssi you said you are not familiar with that board what board would you recommend?
[23:24:14] <anomynous> hidden google server in your closet
[23:24:15] <anomynous> aaah
[23:24:21] <anomynous> google vms
[23:24:21] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I don't have a recommendation
[23:24:22] <anomynous> ;:D
[23:24:30] <ssi> I'd trust pcw or others who have been testing boards lately
[23:24:35] <PetefromTn_> oh a wiseguy eh
[23:24:41] <ssi> ?
[23:24:44] <PetefromTn_> jk
[23:25:13] <PetefromTn_> I wanna order some stuff here tonight
[23:25:21] <PetefromTn_> I think I will grab the power supply
[23:25:30] <PetefromTn_> I wanted to get that board on its way too
[23:25:32] <ssi> my recommendation is do your homework and make sure everything will work well together
[23:25:42] <ssi> my only concerns would be a) make sure the picopsu will power that board adequately
[23:25:48] <ssi> and b) make sure that ram will work
[23:25:51] <ssi> or get ram that definitely will work
[23:26:01] <PetefromTn_> I have no idea how to determine A
[23:26:14] <anomynous> buy a big enough ;D
[23:28:05] <anomynous> theres also fanless power sources and coolers if you dont want to listen to the fans
[23:28:07] <anomynous> ;D
[23:28:23] <PetefromTn_> this apparently is a fanless
[23:28:37] <PetefromTn_> but honestly I could care less about fan noise
[23:28:39] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I don't know what the deal is with 20 vs 24 pin atx connectors
[23:28:47] <PetefromTn_> the rest of the machine makes enough noise just sitting
[23:28:52] <ssi> my itx board here is 20 pin, but it has a 4 pin cpu power connector
[23:29:04] <ssi> I have a picopsu on it that's 20 pin with a 4 pin expansion
[23:29:14] <ssi> some of the bigger picopsus have 24 pin connectors
[23:29:25] <ssi> that celeron board you linked is 24 pin
[23:29:26] <anomynous> PetefromTn_, the rest of the noise comes from other fans or cd-drive
[23:29:29] <ssi> so I don't know for SURE that it'll work
[23:29:35] <ssi> you'll just have to do some research and figure it out
[23:29:50] <PetefromTn_> http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Box-picoPSU-120-WI-25-worlds-tiniest-12-25V/dp/B005TWE488/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1446524883&sr=8-6&keywords=picopsu+wide+input
[23:29:56] <PetefromTn_> thats the one I am looking at
[23:31:13] <anomynous> but if you get fansless power source and you have otherwise poor air circulation in the case you might have to get a separate fan ;D Just a thought.
[23:31:48] <PetefromTn_> http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Box-picoPSU-120-WI-25-worlds-tiniest-12-25V/dp/B005TWE488/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1446524883&sr=8-6&keywords=picopsu+wide+input This says Matx but there are M3 M2 M4 how do I know what the board is?
[23:32:37] <PetefromTn_> the pico I just posted appears to be 20 pin
[23:33:05] <PetefromTn_> and the board is a 24 pin ATX
[23:36:47] <PetefromTn_> http://www.amazon.com/DC-ATX-16V-24V-input-mini-ITX-Supply/dp/B00G5KAHLG/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1446527504&sr=8-3-fkmr1&keywords=picopsu+24pin+ATX+wide+input this is what I need I think but its greyed out
[23:40:40] <PetefromTn_> shit I can't find a 24 pin wide input range DC power supply from pico for the miniATX
[23:40:55] <PetefromTn_> and I gotta get to bed so I can work tomorrow
[23:41:01] <PetefromTn_> Gn8 folks
[23:41:13] <Connor> PetefromTn_: One sec
[23:41:21] <PetefromTn_> ok
[23:41:37] <Connor> I have a link somewhere.. let me find it.
[23:41:51] <PetefromTn_> what do you think of these selections?
[23:42:45] <Connor> http://www.logicsupply.com/products/components/power-supplies/picopsu/
[23:43:08] <Connor> The red ones.
[23:43:53] <PetefromTn_> http://www.logicsupply.com/pico120wi-25/
[23:44:23] <PetefromTn_> that handles the hard drive too no?
[23:44:34] <Connor> yes.
[23:44:43] <Connor> is it 20 pin or 24 pin ?
[23:44:47] <Connor> the mobo ?
[23:44:51] <PetefromTn_> what is your opinion of the combo here
[23:45:06] <PetefromTn_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565&cm_re=Q1900M_pro3-_-13-157-565-_-Product&RandomID=38391751365916020151102205138
[23:45:31] <PetefromTn_> 24
[23:45:53] <Connor> I know nothing about the mobo.
[23:46:26] <PetefromTn_> look like they only have 12v models
[23:46:47] <Connor> The red ones are wide input
[23:46:51] <PetefromTn_> http://www.logicsupply.com/picopsu-160/
[23:47:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah but none of them are 24 pin
[23:47:31] <Connor> gimme a minute.. they make a adapter that can plug into the HD connector to give you the other 4 pins.
[23:48:10] <Connor> http://www.logicsupply.com/pwr-mp/
[23:48:15] <Connor> I THINK that's it.. but let me check.
[23:52:22] <PetefromTn_> kinda surprising that if all you need is a 4 dollar patch cable that they do not make a wide range 24 pin power supply
[23:52:36] <Connor> Some mobo's can run using a 20 pin atx in a 24 pin mobo.
[23:52:41] <Connor> That's not the right cable.
[23:52:50] <Connor> That's for a standalone 4 pin..
[23:53:01] <Connor> the 4 extra pins are 12v, 5v, 3.3v and Common
[23:53:31] <Connor> http://www.amazon.com/FrozenCPU-20-pin-24-pin-Supply-Adapter/dp/B0030CQ9FA
[23:53:33] <Connor> would work
[23:54:14] <PetefromTn_> Lemme sleep on this I don't HAVE to order tonight I really appreciate all the help here.
[23:54:26] <Connor> no problem. This for the lathe ?
[23:54:27] <PetefromTn_> I want to get this stuff figured out and ordered
[23:54:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[23:54:39] <PetefromTn_> I already have the servos and drives on their way here
[23:54:59] <Connor> Cool
[23:55:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am getting excited
[23:55:29] <PetefromTn_> can't wait to see this beast make some chips
[23:55:36] <PetefromTn_> well good night man
[23:55:51] <Connor> later
[23:57:20] <Contract_Pilot> Plugged in the 5i25 and reloaded tormach it flashed... now have to go back and rest!
[23:58:04] <Connor> anyone know what's different for the tormach flashed version vs standard issue 5i25 ?
[23:58:09] <Contract_Pilot> First Priority is to fix the truck when feeling better.
[23:59:36] <Contract_Pilot> 2-3 Shift Solenoid filed on the way home last night.
[23:59:36] <Contract_Pilot> Ahhh failed!