#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-10-27

[00:54:28] <anomynous> not a tutorial? ;D
[00:57:33] <anomynous> or was it a tutorial. Im not sure. High voltage seems fun.
[01:00:16] <ssi> Sync: got the new F1 installed, and it flashed successfully
[03:34:51] <Deejay> moin
[04:05:24] <TurBoss> o/
[04:06:55] <TurBoss> Any opensource Cam tool other than heekscad?
[04:07:18] <TurBoss> *heekscnc
[04:07:49] <Jymmm> dxf2gcode?
[04:08:47] <TurBoss> checking
[04:18:42] <Deejay> pycam!
[04:19:42] <TurBoss> yeah i'm checkin it
[04:19:45] <TurBoss> right now
[04:20:08] <Deejay> truetype tracer! :)
[04:20:21] <Deejay> (tnx to cradek)
[04:20:34] <Deejay> [09:56] <Deejay> truetype tracer! :)
[04:20:51] <Jymmm> 2015-10-27.01:56:34 Deejay: [09:56] <Deejay> truetype tracer! :)
[04:20:57] <TurBoss> thx
[04:26:57] <archivist> inside rear of skull cam
[04:27:13] <Deejay> yes, open source text editor of your choice ;)
[04:27:28] * TurBoss has to go
[04:27:32] <TurBoss> thx you guys
[04:27:40] <Deejay> bye
[05:43:06] <jthornton> the biggest problem I've had with Linux is software upgrades and versions. My windoze XP just keeps on running and everything works, Debian Wheezy is half broken and now Ubuntu 10.04 is starting to not work
[05:48:29] <jthornton> damnit I can ping every computer on my network from here but workgroup fails to open so I can't copy a file
[05:50:49] <archivist> xp may still work but they are working hard to destroy your happyness with later versions
[05:51:16] <XXCoder> honestly if I HAVE to choose a windows os
[05:51:27] <XXCoder> I would choose windows 7 pre-spyware update
[05:51:51] <XXCoder> Of course, I now use Windows (error version not found)
[05:52:06] <jthornton> pre-spyware?
[05:52:20] <archivist> call mummy
[05:52:24] <XXCoder> yeah windows 10 has spyware stuff, send info to microsoft
[05:52:34] <XXCoder> and its being backported to os 7 and after
[05:52:46] <XXCoder> *windows os 7 and both 8
[05:53:04] <archivist> 8 is a mouse unfriendly useless pile of steaming s
[05:53:21] <jthornton> 10 keeps trying to install in my 7 computer
[05:53:43] <archivist> they are intending to force 10 on users
[05:53:54] <skunksleep> Can you \\ip\
[05:53:57] <archivist> resist with all your might
[05:54:24] <jthornton> skunksleep, in a terminal?
[05:54:32] <XXCoder> easy. bump windows off and use linux
[05:54:41] <XXCoder> we are using linux for one reason already
[05:54:45] <XXCoder> as well as use it for other
[05:55:05] <jthornton> well solidworks won't work on linux so I have to use w
[05:55:13] <archivist> this pc is linux only
[05:55:24] <jthornton> and linux is going downhill so I guess I need a mac now
[05:55:27] <XXCoder> I wonder how well solidworks work in wine
[05:55:40] <skunksleep> Oh - I thought you where on the windows side..
[05:55:41] <archivist> I have an xp laptop for solidworks
[05:55:42] <jthornton> I have 6 pc's running linux
[05:55:57] <jthornton> no, it's this debian box that's broken
[05:56:41] <jthornton> I'm using 2015 SW so 7 is the oldest it will run on
[05:56:55] <XXCoder> I use umm freecad
[05:57:15] <XXCoder> I'm sure solidworks is way adread but also way adread on cost too
[05:57:22] <jthornton> does freecad do 3-d solid modeling and assemblies?
[05:57:47] <jthornton> I quit upgrading my SW package because of windows 10
[05:58:00] <XXCoder> looks like yes
[05:58:06] <XXCoder> but cant definitely answer
[05:58:20] <malcom2073_> Last time I tried freecad it didn't do assemblies, but they may have added it, it's been a while
[05:58:44] <XXCoder> actually dont think that was added yet but theres build where you can try
[05:58:48] <XXCoder> not too sure
[05:58:57] <malcom2073_> Yeah it was like that a year ago :)
[05:59:12] <XXCoder> im using latest bleeding edge
[05:59:14] <XXCoder> aqnd its nice
[06:00:57] <jthornton> lol type in freecad and autocad is the first in line at google
[06:02:49] <malcom2073_> heh
[06:03:07] <XXCoder> not for me
[06:03:14] <XXCoder> its just freecad main page first
[06:03:22] <XXCoder> then sourceforgem then git
[06:03:37] <malcom2073_> You running adblocker?
[06:03:40] <malcom2073_> It's in the google adverts
[06:03:53] <XXCoder> hmm maybe, I dont use adblocker but I do use noscript
[06:04:17] <XXCoder> checked, all domains is enabled at google
[06:07:55] <jthornton> tried to install and all I get is fix broken packages lol
[06:09:51] <malcom2073_> Just installed the windows version, the first three buttons I've tried have each crashed it :/
[06:10:03] <malcom2073_> Guess they call it pre-release for a reason heh
[06:10:04] <XXCoder> malcom2073_: 0.14?
[06:10:07] <XXCoder> 0.14 bucks
[06:10:11] <XXCoder> and sucks too
[06:10:21] <malcom2073_> 0.16-pre
[06:10:40] <XXCoder> interesting. 0.16 rarely crashes here
[06:10:45] <XXCoder> heard 0.15 is really stable
[06:11:39] <jthornton> XXCoder, what os are you using freecad on?
[06:11:45] <XXCoder> xfce mint
[06:12:10] <jthornton> ubuntu?
[06:12:20] <XXCoder> well fork of yeah
[06:13:58] <jthornton> hmm I can't find a fork of ubuntu
[06:14:09] <XXCoder> search for xfce mint
[06:14:19] <XXCoder> your search is way too generic
[06:15:00] <jthornton> oh mint is like ubuntu, did not understand
[06:15:47] <jthornton> are you running linuxcnc on mint?
[06:15:55] <XXCoder> nah
[06:16:02] <XXCoder> I use basic 17 package
[06:16:06] <XXCoder> different compuyer.
[06:16:26] <XXCoder> latest linuxcnc package. think its ubuntu something? or basic debian
[06:16:56] <malcom2073_> Seems to be working now
[06:17:14] <malcom2073_> I'll have to play with it some, it feels a bit better than it did last time I tried it otu
[06:17:46] <XXCoder> 0.14 just sucks lol I was thinking freecad was just another shitty package because of 0.14
[06:17:57] <XXCoder> dunno why some repos dont update to 0.15 in least
[06:33:18] <XXCoder> btw
[06:33:29] <XXCoder> if you want to extrude or make hole at curved surface
[06:33:32] <XXCoder> you have to cheat
[06:33:44] <XXCoder> add a block on side of curved surface
[06:33:49] <XXCoder> sketch on face
[06:34:08] <XXCoder> sketch dont have to be drawn on that face
[07:35:18] <jthornton> wow I made a cube in freecad on my XP computere
[07:42:49] <Tom_itx> i managed to get tool planes switched around on a cube once in my cad
[07:43:01] <Tom_itx> i don't think my post was set up to handle it though
[07:44:52] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/toolplane1.jpg http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/toolplane2.jpg http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/toolplane3.jpg
[07:48:15] <jthornton> smartcam running on linux?
[07:48:40] <Tom_itx> no, smartcam running on xp or 7
[07:49:26] <Deejay> error: wrong OS ;)
[07:50:52] <Tom_itx> i wanted to see if i could program multiple fixture offsets in one file
[08:53:43] <MrSunshine> did my first cuts with the vacuum table today! =) looks to work a treat even tho ive got an way underpowered vacuum pump =)
[08:54:48] <Jymmm> You still suck though =)
[08:55:32] <MrSunshine> :(
[08:57:37] <MrSunshine> plunging 15mm deep with a downcut cutter wasnt so smart tho :P
[08:58:18] <Jymmm> heh
[09:17:02] <MattyMatt> a friend got a kidney transplant before I'd collected enough dialysis kits to make a vacuum table. selfish sod
[09:17:29] <MattyMatt> lots of valves and tubes and manifolds
[11:37:05] <MacGalempsy> morning
[11:37:12] <ssi> morn
[11:41:16] <MacGalempsy> got the cnc gluegun out to make a part for a buddy's xcarve
[11:48:07] <MacGalempsy> bbiaw
[11:57:43] <FAalbers> Tried to install linuxcnc on my 2001 laptop , sadly, no good :(
[11:58:50] <ssi> laptops aren't the best environment
[11:59:20] <FAalbers> Gonna have to buy a cheap compu
[11:59:47] <archivist> laptops have battery management that screws the latency
[12:00:03] <archivist> and hard to interface
[12:02:27] <FAalbers> archivist, Mine was running the install just great till it was actually saving from CD to harddrive. I think the harddisk is just broken
[12:02:51] <FAalbers> Maybe a bad iso burn , will try again tonight just to be sure
[12:02:58] <archivist> do the latency test before you bother installing
[12:08:47] <FAalbers> archivist, OK
[12:30:19] <FAalbers> Is there a link with suggested cheap PC's to byu for linuxcnc ?
[12:31:02] <ssi> PCW has a few machines he has tested that work well
[12:31:07] <ssi> I can't think of them offhand
[12:31:18] <ssi> in the past I bought off-lease dell optiplex machines that work pretty well
[12:31:40] <ssi> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7473499&CatId=2628
[12:31:43] <ssi> those
[12:31:50] <ssi> I've got several of them and they've made pretty good linuxcnc machines
[12:32:03] <CaptHindsight> FAalbers: the list changes all the time
[12:32:57] <archivist> I use old cast off PCs, then try the latency test and discard the junk
[12:33:20] <FAalbers> archivist, I wonder where you can get those
[12:33:31] <jdh> cl
[12:33:42] <FAalbers> Oh wait , there is a second hand PC store closeby , I'll try that first
[12:34:22] <cradek> take the linuxcnc live boot usb stick
[12:34:46] <archivist> I got 13 in one lot on fleabay for £2 got one good runner, result!
[12:34:48] <cradek> I just take mine to goodwill and try a few machines and pick the best (good latency and has plenty of ram) when I need one
[12:34:55] <jdh> the place I got my chinese router only does usb now
[12:35:07] <FAalbers> cradek, Good idea , thanks
[12:50:36] <Erant> ssi: I bought an Optiplex GX620 and got decent results.
[12:50:47] <Erant> $20, $35 for the machine plus screen, keyboard, mouse.
[12:50:50] <ssi> nice
[12:52:05] <Erant> Then bought a $10 16GB SSD to replace the aging spinning aluminum in there and hey presto.
[12:52:16] <ssi> yep I do the same thing
[13:09:04] <anomynous> spinning aluminium?
[13:09:30] <anomynous> why do i think that hd disks are actually heavy
[13:09:36] <anomynous> maybe it is heavy aluminium
[13:09:43] <anomynous> or maybe im wrong
[13:10:57] <fenn> i think they are glass now
[13:11:50] <anomynous> or pvc
[13:11:52] <anomynous> :D
[13:12:57] <anomynous> mm
[13:18:55] <MrSunshine> well, so far i do NOT regret my vacuum table =)
[13:19:18] <MrSunshine> alot of work .. but as it holds the sheets both firm (even if they are warped) and flat its kinda amazing =)
[13:21:13] <anomynous> ive made a vacuum table also
[13:21:37] <anomynous> a weird question
[13:21:40] <anomynous> in this picture
[13:21:42] <anomynous> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpendicular_recording#/media/File:Perpendicular_Recording_Diagram.svg
[13:22:03] <anomynous> the magnetic bits are separated by walls
[13:22:07] <anomynous> what are they made of?
[13:22:25] <fenn> there are no walls
[13:22:38] <anomynous> what exactly does low level formatting do
[13:22:56] <fenn> the bits are just regions of material that has been magnetized one way or another
[13:23:20] <anomynous> if its all just one fluff, what is low level formatting
[13:25:22] <fenn> i think it is just like writing encoder marks so the head knows where it is on the disk, see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servowriter
[13:25:54] <ssi> interesting
[13:28:06] <anomynous> low level format = dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda ? ;D
[13:28:33] <fenn> "the positioner was designed to give an accuracy of ± 0.25nm"
[13:28:51] <fenn> you don't do low level formatting anymore in PC's
[13:29:28] <anomynous> really?
[13:29:31] <anomynous> what was it then?
[13:30:07] <anomynous> a web page i just read just explains it like overwriting all residual data instead of making partition tables and storage allocation tables
[13:30:36] <fenn> well sure that's a thing
[13:30:43] <anomynous> what else is it?
[13:33:15] <anomynous> low level format is normal format. It just isn't called it anymore. And normal format is quick format? ;D
[13:33:40] <anomynous> or something
[13:33:51] <fenn> 'the term "low-level format" is still used for what could be called the reinitialization of a hard drive to its factory configuration (and even these terms may be misunderstood).'
[13:33:58] <ssi> low level format used to mean rewriting the servo tracks I believe
[13:35:22] <anomynous> can i force udma mode in windows? my hd is terribly slow and i dont mind losing data if it doesnt work
[13:35:23] <anomynous> ;D
[13:36:02] <fenn> i could suggest some things if you weren't using windows
[13:36:12] <anomynous> such as hdparm :<
[13:36:19] <fenn> or just using a ramdisk
[13:36:32] <anomynous> not enough ram for permanent storage
[13:36:33] <anomynous> ;D
[13:36:48] <anomynous> i have ssd too
[13:36:49] <anomynous> its faster
[13:40:20] <anomynous> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servowriter
[13:40:26] <anomynous> what are the tracks
[13:41:19] <fenn> trade secret
[13:41:52] <fenn> but probably something like a pseudorandom encoder or quadrature coder with position data spaced throughout
[13:43:23] <anomynous> so its just positioning data so hd can ascertain read head position here and there
[13:43:31] <ssi> cradek: hey do you know offhand what the current or power of the original HNC 90vdc brush motors is?
[13:47:13] <fenn> anomynous: this has a diagram of what's in a servo sector: http://www.hddscan.com/doc/HDD_Tracks_and_Zones.html
[13:48:10] <fenn> halfway down
[13:54:20] <anomynous> thanks fenn. HDD manufacturers havent figured out constant cutting speed yet. Heh. Heh. *bolts a spinning hd into a vibration motor*
[13:55:09] <fenn> it's more that the drive platter itself is the position sensor
[13:58:12] <maxcnc> Good Evening from Germany
[13:59:32] <jdh> good afternoon from georgia
[13:59:34] <maxcnc> Today the Forest ranger came By my Shop and Told me that i shoud say Hello to you all from LOTHAR "IchGucksLive" some of You may know him from the Past
[13:59:44] <jdh> heh
[13:59:49] <jdh> cool
[13:59:57] <ssi> jdh: wtf are you doing in ga
[14:00:01] <ssi> and when are you coming by the shop
[14:00:40] <fenn> hunting megalodons no doubt
[14:00:47] <jdh> ssi: i95 back jome
[14:00:51] <ssi> nuts
[14:04:19] <maxcnc> PCW: ? on 7i76e
[14:05:23] <jdh> I'll be doing the 285 thing wed before tgiving. bet it sucks
[14:06:48] <maxcnc> jdh: dont forget haloween on the hunting for the turkey
[14:07:03] <maxcnc> it's now also a hype here in Germany
[14:13:49] <PCW> maxcnc: ?
[14:14:11] <maxcnc> Hi
[14:14:46] <maxcnc> did you check the network speed on this item i need around 80feet for a wild mashine
[14:15:39] <maxcnc> in dust and harm envirerment i wont use a pc at all only xhc-Hb04 and the mashine powercase
[14:15:55] <maxcnc> so question max cable length
[14:17:17] <ssi> jdh: well if you get a free minute when you're in town gimme a shout and stop by
[14:19:56] <jdh> probably no time. wife & kids heading to chatt.
[14:20:53] <ssi> well fine then :)
[14:22:02] <jdh> next time
[14:30:43] <PCW> Ethernet cable length?
[14:30:53] <maxcnc> yes
[14:31:21] <maxcnc> i need about 80feet
[14:31:30] <maxcnc> on cat6e
[14:31:39] <maxcnc> will that work
[14:32:23] <maxcnc> i got 10steps per mm at max 5000mm/min
[14:34:09] <Tom_itx> any windows users here that might know a bit about their dual monitor setup?
[14:34:59] <PCW> should be fine, currently length is likely to be limited by how much EMI is in the Ethernet cable environment
[14:36:50] <maxcnc> i will do my best to keep that down
[14:37:23] <maxcnc> the 7i76e will arive on saturday then i will report back
[14:38:25] <tiwork> CaptHindsight: 4.5 amps per square foot, so that means it needs to be a constant current power supply?
[14:38:37] <ssi> yeah ideally
[14:38:40] <anomynous> trump likes provoking people. daddy helped him get started with a small 1 million dollar loan ;D
[14:38:46] <roycroft> ethernet cables should be limited to 300m
[14:38:50] <roycroft> er, 100m
[14:39:07] <roycroft> any longer and there will be too much latency
[14:39:38] <tiwork> ssi: alright, I have such a power supply (a regular bench power supply) so should be good
[14:39:58] <ssi> most CC bench supplies don't really supply enough current
[14:40:00] <roycroft> i'll bet you $10,000 he never paid it back, anomynous
[14:40:22] <tiwork> mine is rated at 50amps
[14:40:23] <tiwork> heh
[14:40:40] <ssi> 50A constant current?
[14:40:45] <ssi> what kind of supply and where can I get one?! :D
[14:41:07] <DaViruz> get a inverter tig welder
[14:41:08] <DaViruz> :)
[14:41:16] <ssi> lol
[14:41:35] <tiwork> I've pulled 45 amps at 2.something volts in constant current mode on it for that diode laser I have
[14:41:35] <ssi> http://www.bkprecision.com/products/power-supplies/1796-high-current-dc-power-supply-0-16v-0-50a.html
[14:41:40] <anomynous> roycroft, supposedly he did, with interest.
[14:41:44] <tiwork> that was a badass laser
[14:42:04] <DaViruz> i keep getting screwed on argon gas for my tig welding. 5 liters is like $100
[14:42:22] <DaViruz> 50 liters is $200, but they wont sell you a 50 liter canister
[14:42:25] <DaViruz> you have to rent them
[14:42:32] <roycroft> gtaw does like the argon a lot
[14:42:39] <anomynous> why dont they sell you?
[14:42:46] <tiwork> ssi: HY1550EX
[14:42:55] <DaViruz> anomynous: i have no idea
[14:43:13] <DaViruz> largest you can buy here is 5 liters, any bigger and you have rent
[14:43:14] <anomynous> how much they rent for
[14:43:29] <ssi> I dunno how 50 liters compares with what we call 125 cubic foot
[14:43:34] <DaViruz> but when you use it as little as i do, the rent gets to be a lot more expensive than the gas
[14:43:45] <ssi> cause google suggests 125ft^3 is 3540 liters heh
[14:43:49] <DaViruz> 5 liter is like a foot diameter and 5 foot tall
[14:44:00] <ssi> that's about what my 125s are
[14:44:01] <DaViruz> ssi: oh
[14:44:07] <DaViruz> we measure compressed volume
[14:44:17] <anomynous> ssi: thats in the form where you would need a pump. i suppose
[14:44:35] <jdh> it's water volume in liters
[14:44:44] <ssi> DaViruz: yea I figured, but I don't have the necessary info to figure out what size that correlates to
[14:44:59] <ssi> anyway I just had mine filled, and I pay $36 for a 125cuft bottle exchanged
[14:45:04] <DaViruz> pressure is about 300 bar, so 50*300
[14:45:05] <jdh> 28l ft
[14:45:07] <anomynous> 1 litre is about size of your milk or juice bottle you buy from a store
[14:45:08] <anomynous> ;D
[14:45:26] <ssi> anomynous: actually my milk bottles are closer to four liters :)
[14:45:27] <ssi> http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachments/cyl_sizes-jpg.2688737/
[14:45:34] <anomynous> AAAARRR
[14:45:39] <DaViruz> someone told me you can buy 11 liters now, and they charge $120 for a fill
[14:45:43] <ssi> I had an 80 and a 125, but I had the 80 swapped for a 125
[14:45:44] <DaViruz> so i'll probably get one of those
[14:45:58] <ssi> they charged me the difference in the list price of the bottle purchase, and that included a fill
[14:46:01] <DaViruz> 4 liter milk
[14:46:04] <anomynous> ssi, milk bottle 4 litres?
[14:46:08] <ssi> so I paid $70 to upgrade the bottle, including the fill
[14:46:08] <DaViruz> i can't even use a one liter before it gets stale
[14:46:14] <anomynous> i dont buy that
[14:46:21] <ssi> anomynous: 3.78541 liters
[14:46:31] <ssi> ie a gallon :P
[14:46:38] <anomynous> you must drink a lot of milk
[14:46:51] <ssi> not a lot, but I use it for other things
[14:47:02] <DaViruz> degreasing? :D
[14:47:18] <anomynous> milk is greasy
[14:47:33] <jdh> pricey argon
[14:47:43] <roycroft> i primarily use milk for making cappuccinos
[14:48:31] <anomynous> isnt the gas normally some argon/carbon dioxide mix or something
[14:48:38] <DaViruz> for MIG yeah
[14:48:46] <roycroft> depends on the usage
[14:48:55] <roycroft> i use pure argon for gtaw welding of ss
[14:48:59] <DaViruz> for most TIG welding you need pure argon
[14:49:01] <ssi> ug speaking of which
[14:49:03] <anomynous> gtaw?
[14:49:08] <ssi> when I did swap my bottles out, I got home and realized they gave me C25
[14:49:15] <anomynous> why doesnt carbod dioxide do?
[14:49:19] <ssi> and I went back the next morning to get them to replace them with the right stuff,
[14:49:21] <roycroft> my gmaw welder has a co2/argon mix
[14:49:24] <DaViruz> because it's reactive
[14:49:26] <ssi> and the dude says "what, are you welding aluminum or something?"
[14:49:34] <anomynous> argon is?
[14:49:39] <DaViruz> CO2 is
[14:49:44] <ssi> um... yes, sometimes, and wtf business is it of yours? I brought in argon bottles, I paid for argon, I want argon
[14:49:44] <DaViruz> argon is very inert
[14:50:12] <anomynous> what is the difference between mig and mag, then
[14:50:20] <ssi> roycroft: yea I keep a 125 of C25 on the mig welder and two 125s of argon for the tig welder
[14:50:42] <jdh> gas compnies make up prices for retail sales
[14:50:43] <ssi> I need to get a bottle of pure CO2
[14:50:47] <DaViruz> mag uses pure co2, mig uses co2/ar mixture
[14:51:02] <DaViruz> (or others, but those are most common)
[14:51:04] <anomynous> and mig is better and cooler?
[14:52:02] <DaViruz> im not sure what the differences are really
[14:52:07] <DaViruz> pure co2 is cheaper, i think that's the main advantage
[14:52:14] <DaViruz> and in steel it gives a "good enough" result
[14:52:37] <DaViruz> maybe it has other advantages too, dunno
[14:53:04] <anomynous> how exactly does co2 react, then
[14:53:11] <anomynous> -exactly
[14:53:14] <anomynous> ;)
[14:54:24] <DaViruz> "Pure carbon dioxide, on the other hand, allows for deep penetration welds but encourages oxide formation, which adversely affect the mechanical properties of the weld. lts low cost makes it an attractive choice"
[14:55:10] <DaViruz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_metal_arc_welding#Shielding_gas
[14:55:19] <anomynous> such nuances they make difference not.
[14:56:03] <anomynous> point and spray. Fix current. Point and weld. Now it holds. ;D
[14:56:09] <Praesmeodymium> well bummer instead of a new tracking number I got a refund processing I would much rather have had the 5 motors
[14:56:22] <ssi> Praesmeodymium: newegg motors?
[14:56:29] <ssi> I was starting to think I'm getting jacked around too
[14:56:37] <Praesmeodymium> yeah
[14:56:49] <ssi> https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction.action?tLabels=9405510899637005235690
[14:56:56] <ssi> that's the second tracking num he sent me
[14:57:01] <ssi> first one showed delivired in florida
[14:57:42] <Praesmeodymium> my motors we delivered several states away I opened a ticket a week ag and rma was given and accepted at the same time this morning
[14:57:58] <ssi> did you open the ticket with newegg?
[14:58:03] <ssi> I actually emailed the seller directly
[14:58:20] <Praesmeodymium> first one through the contact the seller, 5 days later through newegg
[14:58:25] <ssi> but considering that tracking number is 2 weeks old now I imagine I'm getting screwed
[14:59:24] <Praesmeodymium> picked up seems like someone wlked in accepted the package
[15:00:59] <ssi> seems like someone's playing games with tracking numbers
[15:01:17] <ssi> probably trying to get as many people to order stuff that'll never ship as possible, and counting on the fact that not everyone will get refunds
[15:01:40] <Tom_itx> smells like a scam
[15:01:45] <XXCoder> yeah
[15:01:52] <Praesmeodymium> hmm I dunno the prces have all gone up to realistic or overpriced
[15:01:53] <XXCoder> wrong tracking numbers usually are
[15:02:11] <Praesmeodymium> I got the first set of motors, and CP has a damn stack he managed to aquire
[15:02:13] <XXCoder> guys trying to get you waiting past chargeback
[15:02:23] <XXCoder> or paypal claim, whatever method you used
[15:07:12] <andypugh> So, these cores that you all persuaded me to use…
[15:07:21] <ssi> uh oh, here it comes :)
[15:07:34] <XXCoder> duck and cover! duck and cover!
[15:07:41] <andypugh> Are cores allowed to overhang? How deep would the core print have to be do you think?
[15:08:19] <ssi> andypugh: your part is pretty big, I dunno how you go about deciding how much core print you need to support a core that big
[15:09:54] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/mA4zueaM1KeQmqQVoQGPEtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[15:09:58] <andypugh> This is a smaller part
[15:10:04] <andypugh> But not a lot smaller
[15:10:29] <andypugh> That silly little bit is the biggest hole I can afford in the bottom of the oil tank.
[15:10:54] <andypugh> I would rather skip it, and let the whole front-part core hang from the core print.
[15:20:04] <ssi> if you make the core print very big, you can probably cantilevel the core
[15:20:06] <ssi> cantilever
[15:20:14] <ssi> but it would need more mass in the print than in the core
[15:20:27] <ssi> maybe not more mass necessarily, but more length at least
[15:20:41] <ssi> if you were the one doing the pour, I'd say try it and see, but otherwise I guess ask your foundry
[16:27:15] <tiwork> I think anodizing is going to happen today
[16:50:34] <andypugh> These _look_ like they might work. But perhaps chaplets would be wise? https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/cgcy2hACg04ZkGFk3HK6RNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[17:17:02] <tiwork> PetefromTn_: poke
[17:17:20] <tiwork> PetefromTn_: what current density do you typically run at?
[17:21:53] <MrSunshine> yeey my precision 00 square has arived =)
[17:22:14] <Deejay> gn8
[17:23:53] <PetefromTn_> tiwake sorry man got a phone call
[17:24:14] <PetefromTn_> I use this calculator.... http://ndhsubmersiblescience.com/ano/720rule.html
[17:25:39] <PetefromTn_> the notes there tell you what is recommended for densities
[17:26:18] <PetefromTn_> again I am NO expert here and have had only reasonable success with this so far. Lately I screwed up two different parts unfortunatley
[17:28:24] <tiwork> 4.5 amps/square foot is what I read
[17:28:59] <tiwork> (or 0.0313 amp/square inch)
[17:29:39] <tiwork> was wondering if you ran it at a higher current or not, and what you typically get as a voltage
[17:32:12] <PetefromTn_> no I used that chart and calculator the only difference is someone recommended ramping in with the current when you first start I tried that it did not seem to make much difference
[17:33:00] <tiwork> oh ok
[17:33:09] <tiwork> well I did the calculations myself
[17:33:26] <tiwork> though my part is pretty simple... its just a shot glass
[17:33:37] <PetefromTn_> did it work?
[17:33:44] <tiwork> its about 13in^2
[17:33:47] <tiwork> donno
[17:33:54] <tiwork> I just put it in to anodize
[17:33:59] <tiwork> \o/
[17:34:02] <PetefromTn_> well good luck
[17:34:07] <tiwork> after lots of cleaning
[17:35:11] <tiwork> PetefromTn_: yeah, kinda excited, but deep down I suspect it wont work as well as I think it should on the first shot
[17:35:12] <tiwork> lol
[17:35:32] <PetefromTn_> it didn't for me heh
[17:35:54] <PetefromTn_> but I figured that and had a couple extra test pieces ready
[17:36:16] <tiwork> you run it for 1.5 hours?
[17:37:27] <PetefromTn_> I run it for whatever the calculator tells me :D
[17:38:54] <tiwork> hmm
[17:39:55] <tiwork> PetefromTn_: what is your target mils?
[17:41:27] <tiwork> and current density
[17:45:55] <PetefromTn_> I used .001
[17:46:24] <PetefromTn_> I thought you said you already figured out all of this?
[17:47:02] <tiwork> not that part, thought you were just talking about surface area
[17:47:44] <tiwork> but it says what I was already going to do
[17:47:45] <tiwork> so
[17:47:46] <tiwork> heh
[17:56:01] <zeeshan|2> everlast product = garbage
[17:56:10] <zeeshan|2> tech guy said its blown.
[17:56:23] <zeeshan|2> and not the torch
[17:56:39] <JT-Shop> what is everlast
[17:56:50] <zeeshan|2> literally 6 uses in 2 yrs, about 30 min per session
[17:57:16] <zeeshan|2> http://www.everlastgenerators.com/
[17:57:27] <zeeshan|2> they are pretty famous online
[17:58:22] <JT-Shop> tig welder?
[17:58:29] <zeeshan|2> no, plasma
[17:58:38] <zeeshan|2> id never buy a tig from em
[17:58:53] <zeeshan|2> causwe i use it too much
[17:58:53] <JT-Shop> can you get hypertherm up there?
[17:58:58] <PetefromTn_> sucks you had a bad luck with them
[17:59:33] <zeeshan|2> yes jt
[18:01:28] <JT-Shop> dang a little chatter on the forum and I get orders for Spyder things
[18:01:35] <zeeshan|2> jt is that what youre using
[18:01:44] <zeeshan|2> nice
[18:02:39] <JT-Shop> yea, I have an older Hypertherm 1250 with a machine torch
[18:03:40] <zeeshan|2> is htp made in usa]
[18:07:14] <JT-Shop> dunno, they are world wide
[18:08:42] <PetefromTn_> Did they not offer parts or to help troubleshoot it for you?
[18:08:57] <zeeshan|2> told me to take it to local dealer
[18:09:06] <zeeshan|2> ill get it fixed and sell it
[18:09:22] <zeeshan|2> i cant trust a machine that breaks so quick
[18:10:34] <PetefromTn_> good
[18:12:22] <zeeshan|2> i might be being too harsh
[18:12:27] <zeeshan|2> i know i am
[18:12:37] <zeeshan|2> but just upset that it broke after 6 uses
[18:12:44] <zeeshan|2> if i used at least hard, i would be ok
[18:12:50] <zeeshan|2> and replace it, and continue using
[18:13:09] <zeeshan|2> and i'd like to give it the benefit of the doubt that maybe it was a bad apple
[18:13:17] <zeeshan|2> but ive seen a couple forum posts on their forums
[18:13:22] <zeeshan|2> that have had similar issue
[18:16:03] <PetefromTn_> I am sure you are pissed I would be too.
[18:16:32] <zeeshan|2> http://victortechnologies.com/thermaldynamics/products/detailProduct.html?prodID=1-5130-1
[18:16:35] <zeeshan|2> wow this is a pretty one
[18:16:39] <zeeshan|2> i like those bars
[18:16:39] <zeeshan|2> :D
[18:17:01] <zeeshan|2> and victor started w/ oxy torches
[18:17:03] <ssi> zeeshan|2: I went a little nuts buying snapon shit on ebay :P
[18:17:05] <zeeshan|2> so they must be reliable! :P
[18:17:43] <zeeshan|2> whatd you buy now! :P
[18:17:51] <ssi> angle wrenches, metric and standard
[18:18:06] <ssi> plus a second set of standard combination wrenches and a set of metric combination wrenches
[18:18:19] <ssi> and those were big sets, bigger than the normal kits
[18:18:22] <ssi> 1/4-1 and 7-19
[18:19:13] <ssi> I go on tears like this on ebay sometimes :P
[18:19:25] <ssi> last december I bought like fifty things off ebay, mostly inspection tools
[18:19:30] <zeeshan|2> worked great the first 5 times it was used, has now died and having a hell of a time getting troubleshooting help from thermal dynamics, for starters their web access to guides crashes any computer I try to download with.Of course if I ship it to them with an blank cheque they will be glad to assist. Pros: when it worked it worked great Cons: when it didnt I was left standing alone
[18:19:31] <zeeshan|2> shit
[18:19:40] <zeeshan|2> someone else wrote this about the thermal dynamics..
[18:19:41] <zeeshan|2> :[
[18:19:43] <ssi> :/
[18:19:48] <ssi> I really like hypertherm
[18:20:03] <ssi> and there's a hypertherm guy on cnczone that helps a lot with stuff, including diy mechanized tables
[18:20:06] <ssi> jim colt
[18:20:07] <zeeshan|2> why are you buying snapon wrenches! :P
[18:20:13] <zeeshan|2> china works good in that department :D
[18:20:14] <ssi> because I love spending money don't judge me
[18:20:16] <zeeshan|2> haha
[18:20:22] <zeeshan|2> spend it on their techangle torque wrench
[18:20:27] <zeeshan|2> that is something china is fail on
[18:20:32] <ssi> I have CDI torque wrenches that I love
[18:20:38] <zeeshan|2> digital?
[18:20:40] <zeeshan|2> w/ angle?
[18:20:42] <ssi> they're cheaper if they don't say snap on on them, but they're the same wrenches
[18:20:45] <ssi> no, just clickers
[18:20:57] <zeeshan|2> cdi digi is more expensive than snap on:(
[18:21:01] <zeeshan|2> when iwas looking..
[18:21:40] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KL4HZ8?keywords=CDI%20torque%20wrench%201%2F4&qid=1445986720&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1
[18:21:49] <ssi> the 1/4 drive 20-150 in-lb one is my go to torque wrench :)
[18:21:59] <ssi> I love that little bastard, and it's $107 amazon prime ftmfw
[18:25:24] <ssi> now I need a tiny pink toolbox to put my tools in
[18:25:24] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Snap-On-Pink-Mini-Bottom-Roll-Cab-Tool-Box-Mothers-Day-Limited-Edition/271855882024?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D33873%26meid%3D2c774e4ea4e44ab2a2287eee7840f2ab%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D7%26mehot%3Dlo%26sd%3D272020433044
[18:27:42] <Wolf_> seems snapon tool box pricing scales also Dimension: 8 1/2 in. x 7 1/2 in. x 4 3/4 in.
[18:27:52] <ssi> yeah scales by volume :)
[18:28:11] <ssi> Wolf_: hey you wanna help me test the stmbl?
[18:28:46] <Wolf_> maybe, what do I need to connect to it :/
[18:28:55] <ssi> well that's what I'm trying to figure out
[18:29:14] <ssi> I have it operational, and now I need to get it setup as a smartserial remote and see how the discovery process works
[18:29:24] <ssi> I need to write a simple hal file that'll initialize hm2 and scan for remotes
[18:29:32] <ssi> but I'm a smidge fuzzy on smartserial remote configs
[18:30:19] <Wolf_> I would like to say no problem but I have no idea what any of that is lol
[18:30:26] <ssi> hah ok then :D
[18:30:49] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSXAHomXAAA4UQK.jpg:large
[18:32:19] <jdh> skinny scope
[18:32:28] <Wolf_> this was part of my day http://i.imgur.com/5Kk7mGT.jpg
[18:32:52] <ssi> that doesn't look like fun at all
[18:32:53] <PetefromTn_> nice stove man
[18:33:26] <Wolf_> tractor supply online :D holds 120lbs of pellets
[18:34:32] <Wolf_> heat in the house is a big plus lol
[18:34:48] <PetefromTn_> I really like those and would love to put one in my shop but just have not gotten around to it
[18:34:50] <ssi> zeeshan|2: the angle torque wrenches are almost twice as much :P
[18:35:13] <zeeshan|2> http://www.amazon.ca/CDI-Torque-2503TAA-CDI-Electronic-Wrench/dp/B004618UZQ
[18:35:18] <zeeshan|2> thats the one im talkin about
[18:35:28] <ssi> yea that's the one I was just looking at
[18:35:38] <jdh> http://imgur.com/zDIQBtf
[18:35:42] <ssi> except it's priced in real money
[18:35:45] <Wolf_> this one is pretty cool, has automatic ignition and thermostat on it
[18:35:51] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004618UZQ?keywords=CDI%20torque%20wrench&qid=1445987586&ref_=sr_1_5&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_browse-bin%3A2801509011&s=power-hand-tools&sr=1-5
[18:36:02] <zeeshan|2> thats 5 times as much!~:P
[18:36:15] <zeeshan|2> oh
[18:36:18] <zeeshan|2> im comparing w/ 1/4
[18:36:20] <zeeshan|2> meh :P
[18:36:21] <ssi> I mean it's twice as much as the digital non/angle
[18:36:22] <_methods> zlog
[18:36:29] <Tom_itx> ssi, if i'm not mistaken PCW is/was working on smart discovery
[18:36:36] <zeeshan|2> i really like the angle
[18:36:36] <zeeshan|2> one
[18:36:41] <zeeshan|2> for connecting rods
[18:36:45] <ssi> Tom_itx: I'm pretty sure it already works
[18:36:49] <zeeshan|2> and head studs
[18:36:50] <ssi> Tom_itx: but we're trying to write software for a new remote
[18:37:00] <Tom_itx> oh
[18:37:32] <ssi> I just have a lot of little hills to climb to get there :)
[18:37:49] <ssi> I'm finally at the point where the drive works, I can flash firmwares on both mcus, and communicate with it via usb
[18:38:08] <ssi> now i need to get linuxcnc fired up with hm2 running, and use the sserial port on the 7i77 to discover the remote and see how that exchange looks
[18:39:23] <ssi> zeeshan|2: that cdi looks like it's flex-head, yea?
[18:39:55] <ssi> this doesn't look like exactly the same wrench but the specs are similar
[18:39:55] <ssi> https://store.snapon.com/TechAngle-174-Models-Ratcheting-Flex-Head-Torque-Wrench-Electronic-TechAngle-174-Flex-Ratchet-12-5-to-250-ft-lbs-1-2-drive-P760213.aspx
[18:39:59] <ssi> and the snapon is slightly more money
[18:44:50] <tiwork> eee
[18:44:53] <tiwork> PetefromTn_: soon.
[18:48:53] <Tom_itx> not sure you want a flex head torque wrench
[18:49:05] <Tom_itx> i don't trust their accuracy
[18:50:27] <PetefromTn_> tiwork good luck man
[18:57:48] <andypugh> ssi: That’s literally as easy as halrun / loadrt hostmot2 / loadrt hm2_pci
[18:58:06] <ssi> andypugh: yeah I'm trying to figure out what I need to do for smartserial config
[18:58:10] <ssi> I found this in the hm2 manual:
[18:58:15] <ssi> The sserial_port_0=0XXX configuration string sets some options for the smart serial daughter card. These options are specific for each daughter card. See the Mesa manual for more information on the exact usuage.
[18:58:19] <ssi> SUPER HELPFUL :D
[18:58:48] <andypugh> Just don’t bother, it is only for remotes that support software modes
[18:58:59] <ssi> ohh ok
[18:59:10] <ssi> so loading hm2_pci should do the full discovery?
[18:59:25] <andypugh> Yes, just like that with no paramters
[19:00:07] <andypugh> The special process data modes are documented in the manual for each card, and are specific to each card. But actually are also listed in dmesg too.
[19:02:15] <andypugh> I like Inventor HSM. Pity it’s my last day with it as the demo expires: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/cgcy2hACg04ZkGFk3HK6RNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[19:03:10] <andypugh> (Two new patterns after a bit of a rub with summat rough) https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/SPQQ70I_GFJ98Zec9LHmhtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[19:03:39] <Tom_itx> andypugh what you gonna do for cam now?
[19:04:07] <andypugh> Either improvise with HSM Express (2D) or use Fusion 360
[19:04:48] <Roguish> andypugh: does Fusion360 include CAM?
[19:04:51] <andypugh> If I was making money then the £7500 for Inventor CAD + CAM would probably seem fairly reasonable
[19:05:07] <andypugh> Roguish: I believe so
[19:05:51] <Roguish> a buddy just purchased a Haas VF4 and needs someone (me?) to run it.
[19:09:04] <Roguish> andypugh: hey, what's the cost of Fusion360? i can't find it on the website.
[19:10:13] <andypugh> http://www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/try-buy
[19:10:26] <Roguish> thanks.
[19:10:55] <toastydeath> are you gonna be using this for actual paid machining
[19:11:03] <toastydeath> if so, autodesk in general has been going down the shitter for some time
[19:13:03] <andypugh> I actively avoid actual paid machining.
[19:13:14] <Tom_itx> hah
[19:13:16] <Tom_itx> how come?
[19:14:01] <Tom_itx> would that ruin the fun side of it for you?
[19:14:11] <andypugh> Exactly
[19:14:46] <Tom_itx> i've tried (mostly successful) to have my hobbies pay for themselves
[19:15:13] <andypugh> Once you are being paid you have to do it.
[19:15:27] <Tom_itx> yeah but you can pick and choose
[19:15:41] <andypugh> It’s been bad enough feeling under pressure to use this HSM demo license.
[19:16:32] <Tom_itx> i considered becoming student status to get a newer sw ver
[19:16:52] <ssi> I tried to get the 'free' startup license and couldn't figure out how to do it
[19:17:04] <Tom_itx> for sw?
[19:17:10] <ssi> for fusion 360
[19:17:12] <Tom_itx> oh
[19:17:18] <ssi> plus I had zero luck with it
[19:17:20] <ssi> it was slooooooow
[19:17:40] <andypugh> Ooh! “Get Fusion 360 free for 1 year if you are non-profit or if your business makes less than $100K a year. Renew as long as you need it.”
[19:18:15] <Praesmeodymium> I use fusion
[19:18:21] <Praesmeodymium> for more than year now
[19:18:52] <Praesmeodymium> and while it does a bit of cloud stuff you can use it offline
[19:21:22] <PCW> ssi: debugging sserial is a bit easier if you know SSLBPs state codes (so you can see how far SSLBP gets before it stalls)
[19:21:36] <andypugh> I am a bit taken aback to find that Fusion can’t open .ipt files..
[19:22:45] <ssi> PCW: where would I see that, in hm2 debug logs?
[19:23:50] <Praesmeodymium> andypugh: you have to import those to the cloud then you will have a fusion readable version
[19:24:02] <Praesmeodymium> http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/fusion-360/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Error-Cannot-open-local-files-in-Fusion-360.html
[19:24:26] <andypugh> Well, I do actually have the standalone Fusion app too
[19:25:23] <PCW> ssi: Its in the embedded CPU code
[19:25:25] <PCW> 'reset'; ParmLoc : 0;
[19:25:26] <PCW> 'starttimer'; ParmLoc : 1;
[19:25:28] <PCW> 'waittimeout'; ParmLoc : 2;
[19:25:30] <PCW> 'requestcookie'; ParmLoc : 3;
[19:25:32] <PCW> 'getcookie'; ParmLoc : 4;
[19:25:33] <PCW> 'setlbptimeout'; ParmLoc : 5;
[19:25:35] <PCW> etc etc
[19:25:52] <ssi> the embedded cpu running in the hm2 firmware on the 5i25?
[19:26:00] <PCW> yes
[19:26:38] <ssi> I don't know how I'd begin to get at that
[19:26:52] <ssi> where I'm at right now is with a scope on the rs422 lines just trying to see if I can catch the discovery happening
[19:26:55] <ssi> which so far I'm not
[19:27:06] <PCW> The state register is readable by the host
[19:27:15] <ssi> I have debugs turned on in hostmot2, and I can see it reporting the 7i77 field io remote, but I don't see anything about my other remote
[19:28:23] <PCW> the diiscovery is all documented in the 7ixx manuals
[19:28:26] <ssi> oh wait i got something on the scope that time
[19:28:37] <ssi> I set the config string to 0x00000000 to turn on all ports
[19:29:25] <ssi> PCW: yea I know it is, but I'm trying to verify baser stuff now, like do I have the phases correct on the wiring, etc
[19:29:57] <ssi> someone else wrote the beginnings of the sserial remote code, and I'm trying to get far enough up to speed that I can begin to help finish it
[19:30:14] <zeeshan|2> ssi you like flexhead tools?
[19:30:20] <ssi> zeeshan|2: not really
[19:30:21] <PCW> the first that sslbp send is a get cookie request (state 3)
[19:30:23] <PCW> so if you are stuck in state 4, sslbp never got a valid response
[19:30:24] <zeeshan|2> i hate em
[19:30:28] <zeeshan|2> ive slipped so much off em
[19:30:35] <zeeshan|2> and hurt myself :/
[19:30:44] <zeeshan|2> now i only pull towards me if using them
[19:30:49] <tiwork> PetefromTn_: well, its in the sealing bath right now
[19:31:12] <tiwork> the black dye I have worked really well... the purple not so much
[19:31:50] <PCW> thats why the state information is valuable
[19:31:52] <PCW> (turning off CRCs and running at 115200 baud also help debugging with standard stuff)
[19:32:40] <tiwork> PetefromTn_: they are both really old, but the purple is water base, the black is solvent based. its slightly splotchy because I tried the purple first, then just dunked it in the black and called it good
[19:38:28] <tiwork> *happy nerd noises*
[19:39:17] <PetefromTn_> sounds good man good luck
[19:39:27] <ssi> PCW: how do I read the state registers from the host?
[19:40:00] <tiwork> its rather ugly
[19:40:09] <tiwork> but I'm blaming the old dye
[19:42:28] <PetefromTn_> I did not have any luck with the solvent dye so far but I have not honestly given it much of a try recently..
[19:45:04] <ssi> PCW: in a 5i25 7i77 config, I'm showing one pair of sserial pins (pin 3 and 4); the field io and remotes on the tb5 header will all work over that same set of pins, correct?
[19:45:15] <ssi> ie, I won't see a second pair of physical pins get assigned to smartserial, will I?
[19:51:11] <Erant> PCW: I'm assuming they're just memory mapped registers, so you should be able to find them in the map and just read them.
[19:51:35] <Erant> Euhm
[19:51:43] <Erant> ssi
[19:55:24] <Erant> Actually, the 5i25 manual makes no mention of the config space layout. Just says it has a single BAR, but no explanation of what is inside of that BAR
[20:02:59] <andypugh> I just tried Fusion360 CAM and it is basically identical to Inventor HSM Pro, so that’s good. It’s a bit more of a peformance getting the model into the app, rather than it just being there.
[20:06:53] <_methods> yeah its quite powerful for the price tag
[20:08:11] <Erant> _methods: Which is $0 for hobbyist use.
[20:08:16] <andypugh> Having found that the price tag is free for non-profits that’s easy to achieve
[20:08:23] <Erant> Right.
[20:08:33] <micges> Erant: you're talking about PCI config space?
[20:09:18] <Erant> micges: It actually looks like you just talk to it over the mapped memory interface.
[20:09:56] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: howd your flanges turn out
[20:10:10] <micges> if you talking about how to communicate with 5i25, then yes
[20:10:32] <micges> single 64k block
[20:11:07] <PetefromTn_> oh they were okay... the guys seemed to love them so that is nice LOL
[20:11:26] <ssi> that does me no good, as I don't know how to go about reading the 5i25's mapped space while in the middle of a halrun execution
[20:11:44] <zeeshan|2> haha nice
[20:11:56] <zeeshan|2> getting paid musta felt nice too :)
[20:12:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah they actually paid me all in advance for them but yeah I own the money in the bank now :D
[20:13:06] <PetefromTn_> working on the 3 rotor drawing right now they want a couple of those too
[20:13:42] <micges> ssi: what are you trying to do?
[20:13:59] <ssi> that's a long story
[20:14:00] <zeeshan|2> where is the history tree in fusion 360?
[20:14:06] <ssi> short answer: make a smartserial remote work
[20:14:29] <zeeshan|2> nm
[20:14:30] <zeeshan|2> ;P
[20:14:56] <andypugh> So, the spindle bush for my lathe is meant to be 1.4375” dia and 0.625” taper per foot. So basically nothing standard at all
[20:15:11] <micges> ssi: why does it not working?
[20:15:14] <zeeshan|2> what spindle bushing?
[20:15:22] <ssi> also a long story
[20:15:23] <Tom_itx> andypugh, isn't that the standard for you though?
[20:15:58] <andypugh> ssi: The bush to hold a live centre for between-centres work
[20:16:12] <andypugh> I probably don’t need one, it’s just odd.
[20:16:28] <fenn> 1+7/16 can be cut from 1+1/2 barstock
[20:16:36] <andypugh> (I was thinking of making an adapter to BT30 for machining special tooling for the mill)
[20:16:43] <zeeshan|2> im not ssiu
[20:16:46] <zeeshan|2> how dare you call me ssi
[20:17:16] <andypugh> Ah, oops
[20:17:19] <ssi> lul
[20:17:46] <fenn> no idea what a spindle bush is
[20:18:09] <zeeshan|2> hes talking about the spindle taper
[20:18:11] <ssi> ok got beyond the physical layer issues with sserial :D
[20:18:24] <zeeshan|2> british people call it a bush
[20:18:25] <zeeshan|2> :)
[20:18:33] <ssi> because they're weird :)
[20:18:33] <zeeshan|2> and now i see why my dad calls it a bush too
[20:18:36] <fenn> it's a morse taper adapter?
[20:18:43] <zeeshan|2> cause he learned the queen's english
[20:18:50] <zeeshan|2> usually its mt
[20:18:54] <zeeshan|2> but his is a weird one he's saying
[20:18:55] <andypugh> Well, apart from not being Morse on the outside, yes
[20:18:56] <zeeshan|2> which is interesting
[20:19:24] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: if all youre doing is turning between centers
[20:19:29] <zeeshan|2> wouldnt it be quicker just to make a custom center?
[20:19:32] <zeeshan|2> (dead center)
[20:20:10] <andypugh> I was mainly looking for a nice way to hold BT30 blanks.
[20:20:21] <andypugh> They don’t chuck easily :-)
[20:20:29] <zeeshan|2> whatcha makin
[20:20:50] <andypugh> The last time i tried, super-short ER32 collet holder.
[20:21:09] <fenn> morse taper is 5/8 per foot
[20:21:16] <andypugh> No it isn’t
[20:21:17] <ssi> not all morse tapers
[20:21:24] <ssi> they're all "around" 5/8 per foot
[20:21:44] <andypugh> http://www.tools-n-gizmos.com/specs/Tapers.html#MT
[20:21:44] <fenn> this is one of those situations where it's acceptable to use a time machine to punch someone in the face
[20:23:28] <andypugh> My lathe spindle is close to a stub MT5. But isn't
[20:23:51] <SpeedEvil> fenn: I assume 'Ok, the reference is this one, not any silly number' lead to that
[20:24:23] <fenn> because who needs numbers when you have random pieces of metal locked away somewhere
[20:24:44] <andypugh> Jarno taper are all 0.600” per foot
[20:25:17] <andypugh> (or a nice round 1:20)
[20:26:45] <fenn> andypugh is it MT 4.5?
[20:27:50] <andypugh> Close, but slightly different taper
[20:28:25] <malcom2073_> Oooo, andypugh that's an awesome chart
[20:28:32] <malcom2073_> I can use that to try and figure out what taper my toolholders have
[20:29:07] <andypugh> (only 1 thou per foot different, it might be close enough, but the lathe manual says 0.625 /ft
[20:29:30] <SpeedEvil> Aren't patents wonderful.
[20:29:55] <SpeedEvil> (in that each of those shanks was probably patented at one point)
[20:32:44] <andypugh> OK, enough of this excitement, time to sleep.
[20:44:52] <Jymmm> massive wood bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zjNLGXfD2o
[20:47:27] <Jymmm> ..and purtty wood too
[21:19:36] <PCW> "ssi PCW: how do I read the state registers from the host?"
[21:19:37] <PCW> I think linuxcnc shows the state or you can do it with raw read
[21:28:05] <Erant> PCW: Did you manage to pull my order?
[22:30:32] <PetefromTn_> Argh... that feeling that no matter how much you screw with a CAD design it is never gonna look right LOL
[22:31:33] <Wolf_> click file: new, start over, part should start to look right one way or another :D
[22:31:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah I can't do that unfortunately
[22:57:55] <veek> while buying a vise what features should i pay attention to: traverse - is 6 cm too little (right now i have to hold an ink-cartridge but i was thinking perhaps a PCB - kind of like a second hand) or should i buy a C-clamp (i'll still need a vise though) - good vises's are xpensiveish
[22:58:52] <ssi> good machine vises will let you put the jaws on the outside of the body, for accomodating big flat pieces like your pcb
[23:01:24] <veek> ssi okayand no point looking for jaw width - jaw opening is what matters right and depth of jaw
[23:01:55] <ssi> depends on your needs really
[23:02:03] <ssi> but wider vises mean bigger vises
[23:02:10] <ssi> mean heavier and costlier vises
[23:02:26] <jdh> and taller, eating your z
[23:02:33] <ssi> nom nom nom
[23:02:40] <veek> heh
[23:24:10] <renesis> oh veek left
[23:24:12] <Jymmm> Why you are all here... https://youtu.be/U3Q58SKDAEA
[23:24:20] <renesis> vises kind of suck for PCB
[23:24:40] <renesis> tight enough and they'll want to flex
[23:25:48] <renesis> i did an edge clamp with opan bottom that i would ref to a vise so i could flip and only re-zero x, and could drill without a substrate
[23:26:05] <renesis> *open bottom
[23:34:48] <Jymmm> just fold it in half next time