#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-10-24

[00:44:26] <Contract_Pilot> sop
[01:15:54] <renesis> i machined a thing with jog
[01:16:02] * renesis bad
[01:25:04] <XXCoder> bad renesis! no treat!
[01:25:16] <XXCoder> jeez some stuff is weird
[01:25:52] <XXCoder> I had to loosen that cable thingy so I can rotate console enough to reach cables and remove em
[01:26:03] <XXCoder> so I can replace van console lights
[01:26:16] <XXCoder> 4 burned out across time so nearly unreadable in nights lol
[01:54:23] <XXCoder> nice and bright. only one was connected wrong way, just rotated lol
[02:16:56] <Deejay> moin
[02:18:43] <XXCoder> yo
[02:18:57] <XXCoder> curious whats you do Deejay
[02:19:08] <Deejay> hi XXCoder
[02:19:20] <Deejay> server is too slow ;)
[02:19:36] <Deejay> if you mean the host change thingi
[02:20:17] <XXCoder> oh. no, I means whats you do at work
[02:23:15] <Deejay> a lot of different things ;)
[02:23:21] <Deejay> cnc stuff is only hobby for me
[02:24:54] <Deejay> development of electronic stuff on the one side and farm business on the other
[02:25:42] <XXCoder> nice
[02:26:01] <XXCoder> I do work as cnc machinist AND has cnc router as hobby
[02:26:06] <Wolf_> farm business = little of everything then
[02:26:35] <Deejay> agriculture only, no animals ;)
[02:27:12] <Wolf_> meant more so to keep things running, welding, mechanical, electrical…
[02:27:22] <Deejay> yes, indeed
[02:29:42] <XXCoder> yeah
[02:30:20] <Deejay> sometimes it sucks ;) if things break and need repair
[02:30:44] <Wolf_> yup, usually breaks when you need it right now
[02:30:48] <XXCoder> I bet cnc mill is great resource for farm
[02:30:49] <Deejay> of course
[02:30:51] <XXCoder> making parts
[02:31:09] <Deejay> hehe yeah, in some cases
[02:31:38] <Deejay> but sometimes it easier/faster/cheaper to buy original spare parts ;)
[02:31:44] <XXCoder> indeed
[02:31:54] <Wolf_> I find its usually something major or stupid small thing, like hydraulic fitting buried behind 10 other things
[02:33:13] <Deejay> yep
[02:33:48] <Deejay> you have to work hours to reach the broken part ;)
[02:33:55] <Deejay> and then its only a broken sealing for a few cents
[02:34:12] <XXCoder> or find a way to access 4th dimension lol
[02:34:20] <Praesmeodymium> sounds like the head gasket on the car 3000$ in labor for a maybe 100$ part
[02:34:40] <Wolf_> like that but worse lol
[02:35:02] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: if you has cnc router you can make gaskets cheaop
[02:35:04] <Deejay> hehe
[02:35:11] <XXCoder> but labor is still massive
[02:35:32] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: laser'd be better for it though
[02:36:06] <Wolf_> even more fun when you pretty much need a shop on wheels to come to you to get something fixed
[02:36:34] <Praesmeodymium> yeah, lasering some stuff requires better ventilation than I have going on atm, i need to fix that shit before I try cutting anymore flouropolymer film
[02:37:40] <Wolf_> I think as some point I need to get a cnc laser to play with
[02:38:01] <XXCoder> theres $200 ones on aliexress. TINY workspace though
[02:38:10] <XXCoder> but enough to test and learn
[02:38:40] <Wolf_> yeah :/ I think 2’x4’ would be small as I would go
[02:38:45] <Wolf_> or 2x3
[02:38:58] <XXCoder> that'd be good size yeah
[02:39:00] <Praesmeodymium> those 2w things?
[02:39:58] <XXCoder> just found $75 one lol
[02:40:16] <Praesmeodymium> I am making a ~850x850 laser diode based cutter, well I want to do engraving with it, but I also have shitty little co2
[02:40:36] <Praesmeodymium> 32"x32"
[02:40:56] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/DIY-Mini-CNC-laser-engraving-machine-mini-desktop-DIY-Mini-engraving-machine-finished-self-made-frame/32428034598.html
[02:41:48] <Praesmeodymium> nice 120$ for a frame and the guts of 2 cboxes
[02:41:53] <Praesmeodymium> xboxes*
[02:42:27] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/500MW-laser-laser-engraving-machine-diy-marking-machine-cnc-laser-engrave-machine-advanced-toys/32368572424.html
[02:42:31] <Praesmeodymium> if it uses the xbox sled than it can actually get a good spot size
[02:42:51] <XXCoder> workspace of 17x20cm
[02:43:10] <XXCoder> less than 8 inch which is goos for few small engraves
[02:43:31] <XXCoder> it could be reused with MUCH larger frame
[02:44:30] <Praesmeodymium> yeah just ned to buy the vslot
[02:45:46] <Praesmeodymium> my vslot should be here monday
[04:51:09] <Jymmm> malcom2073_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxcftjJ39BU
[04:51:38] <XXCoder> yo
[04:56:25] <Jymmm> ho
[04:56:59] <XXCoder> hi
[04:58:52] <XXCoder> heh once saw one forum thread where theres 3 possibilities to change a word - addition of one charactor or removal of one charactor or change one
[04:59:05] <XXCoder> that thread went all over
[04:59:31] <XXCoder> it was at 3 charactors at beginning, and went all over the sizes, I think it maxed at 7 something
[04:59:37] <XXCoder> all legit words
[05:07:34] <XXCoder> Jymmm: er16 is around 1/2 inch diameter right?
[05:08:17] <archivist> hint 16
[05:08:30] <XXCoder> ag mm
[05:08:39] <XXCoder> .63 inch approx
[05:08:41] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:10:03] <Wolf_> putting a er16 next to a er32 make it look small
[05:13:04] * archivist hides his little ER11s
[05:15:32] <XXCoder> er1
[05:22:58] <XXCoder> er-10
[05:26:30] <jthornton> er
[05:27:22] <XXCoder> everyone already has er zero
[06:36:39] <jthornton> if 0 matches 6 then 6 is 1 and I need to find the match for 6 which is now 1
[07:00:09] <jthornton> finally got it to sort :)
[07:01:21] <XXCoder> working on that gcode gen?
[07:05:19] <jthornton> yea, just got the test dxf to convert to g code finally...
[07:05:29] <XXCoder> nice
[07:06:19] <jthornton> just need to code for backwards arcs and I think I'm GTG
[07:12:25] <jthornton> crap, I just broke it again
[07:13:49] <Sync> ssi: wat?
[07:27:33] <jthornton> now for some more complicated dxf files :)
[07:34:50] <jthornton> http://ibin.co/2K95bemSRUAG
[07:35:02] <jthornton> hot damn
[07:36:46] <malcom2073_> Awesome
[07:37:12] <malcom2073_> Can it do DXF's with multiple polygons instead of just one?
[07:37:21] <jthornton> aye. I'm stoked for sure
[07:37:30] <jthornton> polygon?
[07:37:37] <XXCoder> a shape flat sides
[07:37:53] <malcom2073_> Mutliple shapes
[07:37:59] <XXCoder> minium 3 sides, no max
[07:38:04] <malcom2073_> Multiple contours rather
[07:38:57] <jthornton> each contour at this point would need to be in a separate layer or file
[07:39:11] <jthornton> well if the end points match then yes
[07:39:29] <malcom2073_> Hmm, ok
[07:39:59] <jthornton> LOL, I just got it to work this morning after several days of trying to finger out the sort
[07:42:11] <jthornton> did you mean this? http://ibin.co/2K97xm6DtP4g
[07:48:07] <malcom2073_> Nah this: http://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/cnc4you/tips_and_tricks/technology-in-detail/PublishingImages/cad-reader-cnc.jpg
[07:51:13] <jthornton> I've not got past a single profile, that is future perhaps
[07:52:39] <malcom2073_> Alright :) Just wondering
[07:53:27] <jthornton> not sure how I'd want to handle that, for now this is for my plasma cutter
[07:53:47] <jthornton> but I need to be able to cut multiple entities some how
[07:59:19] <Jymmm> stacked?
[07:59:30] <Jymmm> or you mean nested
[07:59:31] <Jymmm> ?
[08:00:06] <jthornton> well for plasma you can't cut stacked profiles...
[08:00:23] <jthornton> unless I misunderstand your question
[08:00:55] <Jymmm> "multiple entities" = like a top and bottom plate/fixture sorta thing?
[08:01:09] <XXCoder> no, I guess just more than single shape
[08:01:11] <jthornton> multiple entities like a bunch of holes
[08:01:14] <XXCoder> for example 4 of same shapes
[08:01:22] <XXCoder> or holes yeah
[08:02:08] <Jymmm> Ok, I guess I'm not understanding the difficulty/challenge here
[08:02:46] <jthornton> try to code it and you will understand
[08:07:36] <Jymmm> dxf2gcode doesn't like multiple objects or something?
[08:08:34] <XXCoder> jthornton: I made ldrdat2obj
[08:08:38] <XXCoder> so yea lol
[08:09:18] <jthornton> you know for sure then
[08:10:06] <XXCoder> it converts ldraw model file into obj, well ldraw parts is weird, it has subparts and so on
[08:10:12] <XXCoder> it means tons of matrix transforms
[08:23:52] <jthornton> I just ran the converter from python :)
[08:33:09] <Tom_itx> have you run the code from the coverter?
[08:34:50] <jthornton> yes
[08:36:24] <Tom_itx> nice
[08:40:44] <jthornton> it's fast too
[09:43:33] <maxcnc> Hi Folks i got a small problem onlatency test i got a bunch of pc out of stock and did a tet today
[09:43:54] <maxcnc> happy as i where with numbers of jitter at 6500
[09:44:23] <maxcnc> i did a testmashine hook up and i got realtime erors even at 25000
[09:45:13] <maxcnc> the test has been runing at network and traffic for 30min with no higher then 6200
[09:45:50] <maxcnc> the mashine became realtimeerror at starting the nc code imadetly
[09:46:11] <maxcnc> with 40000 it works perfect
[09:47:15] <maxcnc> Now my Question the small numbers under last saying around 32000 but jitter stays below 6500
[09:47:27] <maxcnc> so is there a bug in 2.8 master
[09:48:55] <maxcnc> i testet this on older pc with mashines and the latest is below the jitter as i expected to be
[09:49:07] <maxcnc> Whear behavier
[09:49:31] <Tom_itx> could be hardware too, reseat the memory, do a memory test etc
[09:49:34] <Tom_itx> try again
[09:49:44] <maxcnc> PCW ordert 4 7i76e today
[09:49:44] <Tom_itx> reseat all the connectors
[09:50:39] <maxcnc> reseat means ?
[09:51:02] <archivist> red herring
[09:51:09] <Tom_itx> unplug and replug
[09:51:16] <CaptHindsight> unplug, then plug back in
[09:51:24] <maxcnc> ok Thanks
[09:51:58] <maxcnc> monday today im done with 52 out of 60 sheeds expected on plasma cutter done
[09:55:03] <maxcnc> i am off have a nice day in the USA
[09:56:59] <CaptHindsight> do people expect pre-releases to be bug free?
[09:57:18] <Tom_itx> yes
[09:57:35] <Tom_itx> it's out there... it MUST work
[09:59:00] <CaptHindsight> my favorite is when they build from source and complain about it doesn't work right
[10:33:33] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLsJDELd4lo
[10:50:12] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: poke
[10:50:19] <PetefromTn_> yo
[10:50:35] <tiwake> PetefromTn_!
[10:50:46] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: was going to ask you a bunch of stuff about anodizing
[10:51:07] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: whatcha using for an aluminum cleaner?
[10:51:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am not sure I am the best person to be asking questions of LOL
[10:51:41] <PetefromTn_> but I bought most of my stuff from caswell plating
[10:51:50] <tiwake> ok
[10:52:24] <tiwake> you using nickel acetate sealing bath? or just boiling water?
[10:53:01] <tiwake> I cant decide which I want to do
[10:53:25] <archivist> also depends if you are colouring I think
[10:53:32] <tiwake> yeah
[10:53:43] <tiwake> also changes surface hardness
[10:53:44] <tiwake> etc.
[10:54:28] <tiwake> I think I've read nickel acetate gives it a little better color shine, or something
[10:55:25] <CaptHindsight> there are lots of cleaners , etchants, sealers available for the industry but they are difficult to purchase in small volumes
[10:55:59] <tiwake> that too :-/
[10:56:04] <CaptHindsight> you're probably just best off buying from casewell until you understand how it all works and get comfortable
[10:56:38] <CaptHindsight> then you can find other sources
[11:00:46] <tiwake> do you have to use titanium for suspending the parts in the acid bath? why not 304 or 316 stainless steel?
[11:04:00] <SpeedEvil> Stainless isn't quite.
[11:04:12] <SpeedEvil> Iron can leach out in various different conditions.
[11:04:22] <SpeedEvil> Titanium is a lot harder to get iron to leach from.
[11:04:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah sorry man I had a phone call
[11:05:16] <PetefromTn_> yes I do use the nickel acetate sealing bath heated
[11:05:54] <PetefromTn_> I use their aluminum cleaner degreaser bath as the first step AFTER I clean with dawn very thoroughly in the sink LOL
[11:06:31] <PetefromTn_> I use titanium wire for suspending the parts in the anodize bath
[11:06:39] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: http://www.finishing.com/152/90.shtml
[11:06:45] <tiwake> how about the material used for the plate?
[11:06:57] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: spend a week reading over all the discussions on anodizing
[11:07:04] <PetefromTn_> my anode plates are 6061 1/4 inch plate scrap pieces
[11:07:14] <tiwake> ok
[11:07:34] <CaptHindsight> they cover just about everything and why certain materials and processes work better than others
[11:07:45] <PetefromTn_> I am STILL getting the occasional blemished part here tho and it is FREAKING INFURIATING!!
[11:07:57] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: yeah, I started reading that place... pretty much all day yesterday
[11:08:25] <Sync> I like anodizing Ti, it is so easy :D
[11:08:27] <tiwake> but I also like IRC as a source of information, so I thought I'd bother PetefromTn_
[11:08:57] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: much has to do with how good a cook you are, and how well you learn
[11:09:04] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: thoughts on hard anodizing?
[11:09:33] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: well, I'm a pretty good cook I think.. lol... learned from my dad who is a professional caterer
[11:09:41] <PetefromTn_> tiwake honestly man Captainhindsight is the expert here in all of this
[11:09:48] <CaptHindsight> some people fail miserably while others do well with the same chems and tools
[11:09:54] <PetefromTn_> I am just a hack working out of my garage LOL
[11:10:06] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: join the club XD
[11:10:23] <PetefromTn_> to give you an idea
[11:10:36] <PetefromTn_> if I just have one or two or even three to anodize I do it here
[11:10:52] <PetefromTn_> any more than that I take a drive to knoxville and let the pros handle it
[11:11:42] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: you'll learn a lot from just trying some simple parts and the chems from Casewell
[11:11:50] <tiwake> yeah
[11:12:12] <tiwake> tomorrow I'm going out to costco to get a bunch of baking soda XD
[11:12:21] <tiwake> and distilled water
[11:12:29] <CaptHindsight> they charge 10X the usual price but unless you're really going to make lots of parts you might end up with surplus chems
[11:13:02] <tiwake> well
[11:13:04] <PetefromTn_> honestly I have extra from the purchase from caswell for awhile and I did not buy much LOL
[11:13:29] <CaptHindsight> chem suppliers want to sell by the 400lb drum or 50lb sack
[11:14:00] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: I wish thats how I could buy ammonium perchlorate
[11:15:01] <CaptHindsight> I just paid $200 for 8lbs of something that I can get 400lbs @$1200 since I'm not sure how much I'm going to really need
[11:15:39] <tiwake> yeah
[11:18:29] <tiwake> alright, time to buy a bunch of stuff
[11:22:55] <tiwake> can I put the dye in my printer?
[11:22:57] <tiwake> XD
[11:28:15] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: http://www.firefox-fx.com/ChemA.htm < drum quan don't require an ATF permit
[11:28:29] <CaptHindsight> < 1 drum
[11:28:42] <MrSunshine> damn mdf dust realy wrecks hawok on the body ...
[11:28:44] <Erant> I'm trying to tune my servos, but for some reason I'm always left with a +/- 10 encoder count jitter. Any thoughts?
[11:29:06] <Erant> As in, when the servo's up to speed, the error swings between -10 and +10.
[11:31:12] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: thats $56 for 5lbs?
[11:31:35] <tiwake> assuming I'm reading that correctly
[11:32:24] <CaptHindsight> they have several grades and granular sizes
[11:32:35] <tiwake> ah I just scrolled down and noticed
[11:32:53] <CaptHindsight> Ammonium Perchlorate - granular, 600 micron $56.10 for 5lbs
[11:33:18] <tiwake> looks like 200 micron is the best deal
[11:34:03] <CaptHindsight> probably 100x higher at Sigma
[11:34:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.skylighter.com/ammonium-perchlorate-200-micron.htm
[11:34:35] <tiwake> enh
[11:34:41] <tiwake> only 10x more expensive
[11:34:42] <tiwake> lol
[11:35:13] <tiwake> ammonium perchlorate is badass
[11:35:20] <CaptHindsight> 1kg $199
[11:35:24] <Erant> tiwake: Whatcha anodizing?
[11:35:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/sial/208507?lang=en&region=US
[11:35:40] <Erant> I want to anodize some parts once I can actually make chips.
[11:36:27] <tiwake> Erant: some aluminum shotglasses I made a while back, and probably some small runs of various different colors for one of my customers I make parts for
[11:39:21] <Erant> Oooh, aluminum shotglasses... Does the anodizing make them foodgrade?
[11:39:55] <tiwake> you can buy bare aluminum pots and stuff, why would anodizing change that?
[11:40:23] <CaptHindsight> aluminum foil
[11:40:24] <Erant> Yeah, I guess. Just wasn't sure if the dye was nasty in any way.
[11:40:33] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I am really getting annoyed trying to find suitable motors and drives for this freakin' lathe for reasonable prices....
[11:40:41] <tiwake> neh
[11:40:52] <Erant> PetefromTn_: What size of servo do you need?
[11:41:10] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: spend the money on something else, then you'll find the deal on the motors and drives, never fails :)
[11:41:13] <PetefromTn_> I need basically what amounts to a nema 43 750 AC servo and drive setup
[11:41:20] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah I know right...
[11:41:24] <Erant> Ah, nm. :P
[11:41:45] <Erant> I had some 200W servos on eBay that were an excellent deal, but that obviously wouldn't fit you.
[11:41:54] <PetefromTn_> been going back and forth with a couple dealers now and they are all selling the same chinese shit and think they have some gold plated parts there..
[11:42:10] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: what power motors do you need and what rpm?
[11:42:19] <CaptHindsight> 750w?
[11:42:31] <PetefromTn_> just said 750 watt 2.4nm 2500-3kROM
[11:42:33] <PetefromTn_> RPM
[11:42:46] <tiwake> nanometer?
[11:42:54] <PetefromTn_> newton meter
[11:43:03] <CaptHindsight> you expect me to read everything in here? shhess
[11:43:07] <tiwake> lol
[11:43:15] <PetefromTn_> Sorry man I am currently pissed
[11:43:26] <tiwake> move it to the bathroom?
[11:43:36] <tiwake> XD
[11:43:49] <tiwake> /wisecracks
[11:43:54] <PetefromTn_> finally got the money to buy the two damn axes and all the deals and specials are gone
[11:44:13] <JT-Shop> patience grasshopper
[11:44:17] <Erant> PetefromTn_: You in a rush? I'd just sit tight for a bit maybe.
[11:44:23] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: whats the best you've found so far?
[11:44:36] <PetefromTn_> I have been waiting for this for a good long whille now I am tired of waiting..
[11:44:57] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight well this deal... http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-Servo-Motor-and-Drive-750W-1-axis-kit-CNC-router-mill-mach3-NEW-Ref-0375-/161848959503?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D33421%26meid%3Da0fe613038a84f808a43f385c1d6ebbb%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D161848959794&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=sVGqapyWwBhEXG9Dn%252FVbkQ86YWU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
[11:45:12] <PetefromTn_> it was a sale that DMM had a week or two ago
[11:45:33] <PetefromTn_> so I called thier US distributor and he wants over $200 more for the same deal now.
[11:45:51] <PetefromTn_> I have been going back and forth with him trying to get the same deal or at least close
[11:46:06] <PetefromTn_> It's just a bunch of bullshit
[11:46:19] <Erant> Is the CA place not willing to ship to the US, bypass that guy?
[11:46:29] <JT-Shop> on a happy note my DXF to G code converter works now :)
[11:46:45] <PetefromTn_> what really annoys me is that there are other deals similar much cheaper direct from china all over the fleabay
[11:47:00] <JT-Shop> only took 9 days to figure out the algorithm and learn golang
[11:47:02] <Erant> But then... China...
[11:47:05] <PetefromTn_> at the end of the day they are all selling chinese motors and drives
[11:47:24] <PetefromTn_> hell my Teco's are chinese motors and drives
[11:47:40] <Erant> I find it sort of hit-n-miss
[11:47:53] <PetefromTn_> what is?
[11:48:01] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1kW-AC-servo-motor-drive-complete-set-with-3M-cables-4Nm-2500rpm-2500ppr-CNC-/201345089277 from China but a bit more power
[11:48:34] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what I am talking about... they are all over the ebay
[11:48:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-servo-motor-drive-Kit-1ph-220V-80mm-4NM-1kW-2500RPM-4-4A-3M-Cable-/121691953583
[11:49:03] <PetefromTn_> I don't MIND paying a bit more for a US based seller but they are a bit crazy
[11:49:20] <CaptHindsight> yeah, have to find someone that already imports them
[11:49:36] <PetefromTn_> don't HAVE to
[11:50:03] <tiwake> well
[11:50:33] <PetefromTn_> that's a deep subject man
[11:50:38] <tiwake> if you want a distributor in USA to have a convenient place to go to, should issues pop up
[11:50:44] <tiwake> donno
[11:50:54] <tiwake> I wouldent count on it
[11:51:01] <MrSunshine> hmm what is the reason that its always 100mm hosing or for dust extractor systems ?
[11:51:18] <MrSunshine> is it just the fan design or is it harder to make something suck good at like 50mm ? =)
[11:55:31] <Jymmm> 4" has volume to it, though it still can have resistances depending in what ducting you use.
[11:55:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITSUBISHI-AC-SERVO-MOTOR-1-KW-1019908-MODEL-HC-SFS102-NEW-IN-BOX-/252132856533 $125 and in Tenn
[11:55:50] <CaptHindsight> too bad they don't have 2
[11:56:04] <SpeedEvil> http://www.banggood.com/6-In-1-Multi-Metal-Mini-Wood-Lathe-Motorized-Jig-saw-Grinder-Driller-p-934309.html
[11:56:07] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: Sometimes it's recommended to use 6" ducting just due to the resistance
[11:56:11] <SpeedEvil> The easy-bake oven of machine tools.
[11:56:14] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: how many do you want?
[11:56:26] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: 4" vent hole, but 6" duct, especially for long runs
[11:56:58] <MrSunshine> not very long in my shop tho... nee dto build some kind of dust extraction with some grunt in it for the cnc :/
[11:57:03] <MrSunshine> im dying out there
[11:57:03] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight I honestly wish to purchase an axis system complete with motor, drives, and cables. I need two axes
[11:57:14] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: and less chance of chunks getting stuck =)
[11:57:54] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: will you have any chunks?
[11:58:04] <MrSunshine> might be some small ones from the cnc
[11:58:34] <MrSunshine> the central vac kits are kinda awesome . .comes with everything you need .. but they are 50mm
[11:58:41] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: Why nt grab a lil portable dust collector
[11:59:00] <MrSunshine> i want the frekkin vacuums and everything out of the shop on the outside
[11:59:04] <MrSunshine> and i want the volume
[11:59:19] <MrSunshine> my shop has like 5m2 of floor area
[11:59:33] <Jymmm> build a doghouse on the outside
[11:59:35] <MrSunshine> and jumping over vacs and stuff ive grown very tired of
[11:59:49] <Jymmm> use something like this http://www.harborfreight.com/13-gallon-industrial-portable-dust-collector-31810.html
[12:03:06] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: hangs on wall http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-HP-Wall-Hanging-Dust-Collector/G0710
[12:03:23] <MrSunshine> 1hp has no grunt :P
[12:03:31] <MrSunshine> and bigger is way to expensive :/
[12:03:58] <Jymmm> Fine, EAT DUST =)
[12:04:04] <MrSunshine> haha :P
[12:04:25] <MrSunshine> got a like 1 hp dust collector and it has to be like pushed to the floor to suck anything up
[12:04:28] <PetefromTn_> hey I like that wall mounted one..
[12:05:49] <PetefromTn_> http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Dust-Collector/G1028Z2 I used to use two of these setup in tandem for my old wood shop before I went all metalworking machines
[12:06:02] <MrSunshine> everything is so cheap in america
[12:06:13] <MrSunshine> in sweden .. add double the amount from what you pay for stuff :/
[12:07:25] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: That's what you get for introducing lutefisk to the world! PAY BACK IS A BITCH AINT IT!
[12:07:35] <MrSunshine> lutefisk is the bomb!
[12:07:38] <MrSunshine> i love that stuff
[12:07:53] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: Great, pay double biotch! =)
[12:08:39] <MrSunshine> :P
[12:09:53] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: You'ld have to pay TRIPLE if it wasn't for the Swedish Bikini Team ;)
[12:17:51] <CaptHindsight> waddah yah think, China Vise? https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/tls/5249497769.html "huge milling vise, still in the box. It has 8" jaws. It's very heavy."
[12:19:50] <PetefromTn_> probably china vise
[12:20:29] <CaptHindsight> Kurt, Palmgren etc all cast their names on the top
[12:21:14] <PetefromTn_> on top?
[12:21:49] <PetefromTn_> mine is cast on bottom and has metal nameplates affixed to the sides of the movable jaws
[12:23:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.kurtworkholding.com/images/D675.jpg for these styles
[12:24:39] <PetefromTn_> mine is a D688 but I have never personally seen a kurt with name on top
[12:25:53] <CaptHindsight> maybe just curt or kert :) from their chinese affiliate
[12:26:26] <PetefromTn_> hehe maybe
[12:26:35] <t12> lol @ kert
[12:55:37] <PetefromTn_> BBL
[12:57:57] <Erant> Ugh, great, my servos lost their settings.
[12:58:44] <malcom2073_> ? Like the drives?
[12:58:50] <zeeshan> ??
[13:01:15] <malcom2073_> Damnit man, elaborate! Inquiring minds want to know! :P
[13:04:41] <zeeshan> i heard even on my drive
[13:04:47] <zeeshan> there are settings in the "eprom"
[13:04:51] <zeeshan> and you should always back it up
[13:05:03] <ssi> have you tried rebooting your servo drives? :D
[13:14:43] <zeeshan> hi ssi
[13:15:00] <zeeshan> power your spindle drive!
[13:33:17] <Erant> Whoops, sorry.
[13:33:38] <Erant> Yeah, they lost their tuning, and the calibration
[13:33:49] <Erant> But they were pretty f'ed up in general for some reason.
[13:34:01] <Erant> Current foldback faults, position tracking was all weird.
[13:34:17] <Erant> Had to factory default and get the settings from my spare not-yet-installed Z axis board.
[13:34:34] <Erant> Works fine now... Have to re-tune, but I was going to do that anyway
[13:35:30] <Erant> There's settings in the EEPROM for sure, PID tuning and the calibration.
[13:41:53] <zeeshan> man im reading thru this manual
[13:41:58] <zeeshan> and i cant find anything about current limiting!
[13:41:59] <zeeshan> WTF!
[13:45:33] <Erant> zeeshan: What drive is this?
[13:45:41] <zeeshan> a06b-6044-h010
[13:45:45] <Erant> Vendor?
[13:45:48] <zeeshan> fanuc
[13:46:03] <Erant> I have some really nice Applied Motion ones. Come with a tuning tool, everything's really easy.
[13:46:10] <zeeshan> the thing is
[13:46:14] <zeeshan> this is a 20hp drive
[13:46:18] <zeeshan> w/ a built in orientation board
[13:46:20] <Erant> Holy f'.
[13:46:21] <zeeshan> id like to use it if i can
[13:46:29] <zeeshan> its hard to find a replacement by others for it
[13:46:35] <zeeshan> i'd have to spend a lot of money to get a replacement
[13:47:00] <zeeshan> the 3hp servo drives i see a current limit pot
[13:47:03] <zeeshan> hm
[13:47:18] <Erant> Have you tried asking Fanuc for a manual?
[13:47:23] <zeeshan> i have the manual
[13:47:26] <zeeshan> but i dont see a mention of it
[13:47:26] <Erant> Ah
[13:48:54] <zeeshan> fanuc seems to use 15v power supply too..
[13:48:54] <zeeshan> hmm
[13:52:25] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/rwATOfn.jpg
[13:52:29] <zeeshan> why is this power supply so huge?
[13:52:33] <zeeshan> the specs say:
[13:52:58] <zeeshan> 5v rail 11A, 24v rail 3A, +15v rail 0.3A, -15v rail 0.3A
[13:53:10] <zeeshan> is it just cause it's old? :P
[13:53:15] <zeeshan> now days you can buy tiny din rail mounted ones
[13:53:55] <archivist> what on earth are they using 11A of 5v volts for!
[13:54:42] <zeeshan> not sure
[13:54:43] <zeeshan> lol
[13:54:45] <Erant> Components have gotten smaller, and this probably isn't a switching power supply, so.
[13:55:01] <zeeshan> i should be working on my rx7
[13:55:04] <zeeshan> but the fanuc stuff is interesting
[13:55:27] <zeeshan> i want to document every wire going to everything
[13:55:28] <archivist> dont need no rusty car play with real toys
[13:55:31] <zeeshan> so i can upgrade
[13:55:38] <zeeshan> to modern stuff and get rid of these trhings
[13:55:47] <zeeshan> i need to fit everything in a 4'x2' cabinet
[13:55:53] <zeeshan> x 12" max
[14:12:38] <Sync> bah
[14:12:46] <Sync> damn micromaster doesn't want to talk
[14:15:52] <Erant> Does the RS422 interface on the 5i25 that's meant for expansion boards work as a generic RS422 interface?
[14:16:15] <Erant> Or rather, the one that's broken out onto like the 7i78.
[14:16:49] <anomynous_> usa needs to start use metric system also. :)
[14:19:06] <anomynous_> hmm. maybe they just build 25.4 times bigger houses in europe? And in countries where decimal dot is decimal comma they make 25 times bigger, 4 times. Or something.
[14:19:09] <anomynous_> does it make sense?
[14:20:03] <anomynous_> I guess not.
[14:20:44] <archivist> usa already uses it, the SI system :)
[14:21:08] <anomynous_> why do they use inches and feet and whatever then
[14:23:37] <anomynous_> i know pound is supposed to be based on kilogram, but isn't that kind of the same as saying that 1 is actually 1.1, and then say "here you are. n*1.1 cookies for you."
[14:24:10] <archivist> also the car companies are sneaking in metric but not telling the users
[14:24:28] <anomynous_> metric screws? ;D
[14:24:54] <archivist> yer in the engines made abroad
[14:24:58] <roycroft> the us officially adopted metric measurements in the 1870s, and then again in the 1970s
[14:25:19] <roycroft> perhaps in the 2070s average americans will actually start using them
[14:25:56] <anomynous_> how many inches are a feet?
[14:26:04] <anomynous_> and feet are a mile? if thats how it goes
[14:27:23] <anomynous_> i heard an argument for using base 12 for calculations that it has more factors than ten ;D So it more often makes nice numbers
[14:28:04] <roycroft> one can use fractional measurements with the si system
[14:28:12] <roycroft> it's not a case of fractional vs. decimal
[14:28:39] <roycroft> i could make a meter stick that has gradations at 1/2m, 1/4m, 1/8m, 1/16m, etc.
[14:29:01] <archivist> or decimeter
[14:29:19] <anomynous_> :|
[14:29:37] <anomynous_> but that'd be cool. It's like a natural way of counting isnt it
[14:29:42] <roycroft> conversely, i have an engineer's tape that i use for civil measurements (i design/build fiber optic outside plants)
[14:29:51] <roycroft> and the engineer's tape is divided into feet and 1/10 feet
[14:29:58] <anomynous_> long. pretty long. average. short. very short.
[14:29:59] <anomynous_> :D
[14:30:21] <roycroft> 583.4 feet is a standard measurement in civil engineering
[14:30:47] <archivist> surveyors chain is fun
[14:31:22] <pcw_home> Erant: RS-422 is just an electrical interface spec, the 5I25 can have various firmware modules that use RS-422 level I/O
[14:31:23] <archivist> douzemes for watch glasses
[14:31:24] <pcw_home> including UARTs, Sserial I/O expansion, various serial encoders etc
[14:33:17] <zeeshan> hi PCW help! :P
[14:33:23] <roycroft> then there are drams for whisky
[14:33:43] <roycroft> an eminently useful measurement of volume, but really not related to anything but whisky
[14:34:05] <zeeshan> im planning to fire up the axis servo drives using single phase
[14:34:21] <zeeshan> wouldnt i require 1.73x more current and the internal wires have to be sized larger too?
[14:35:07] <zeeshan> it looks like theres 10 or 8 gauge wire running from each phase
[14:35:10] <zeeshan> on the power side
[14:35:28] <zeeshan> internally in the fanuc drive.. the servo eats 12A continuous
[14:35:37] <zeeshan> so i guess it's already oversized
[14:37:14] <Sync> zeeshan: the drive will internally regulate the current
[14:37:17] <Sync> so it'll stay the same
[14:37:23] <zeeshan> no no
[14:37:31] <zeeshan> im thinking of derating the current internally
[14:37:35] <zeeshan> due to the lack of 1 phase
[14:37:46] <zeeshan> i understand itll limit it to 12A
[14:37:50] <zeeshan> cause that is what it's designed for
[14:37:53] <zeeshan> but i want to drop it to 9A
[14:37:57] <zeeshan> and lose some torque
[14:39:18] <pcw_home> It will _not_ limit at 12A
[14:39:45] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/QObqBAY.png
[14:39:47] <zeeshan> mine is a dc10m
[14:39:50] <zeeshan> it says setting "12A"
[14:39:55] <zeeshan> what is it limiting it to then?
[14:40:00] <zeeshan> what is the drive drawing?
[14:40:07] <zeeshan> there is a 15A breaker there..
[14:40:13] <pcw_home> it will limit at the motor peak current rating (probably about 40A )
[14:42:10] <zeeshan> how come there are 2 terminals 7 and 8
[14:42:16] <zeeshan> and 5,6 going to the same wire? :P
[14:43:01] <pcw_home> lot of current?
[14:43:01] <zeeshan> and is pin 3 and 4 dc injection?
[14:43:35] <pcw_home> 3,4 is 100VAC I believe
[14:44:34] <zeeshan> okay i think i can test fire this on the bench
[14:44:39] <pcw_home> (it runs all the control logic, and its not 120V because its Japanese)
[14:44:41] <zeeshan> with no servo motor connected
[14:44:48] <zeeshan> i should be able to measure the output voltage at the motor terminals
[14:45:24] <zeeshan> btw you were right
[14:45:32] <malcom2073_> Man I need a cnc lathe
[14:45:33] <zeeshan> vcmd is +/- 10v
[14:45:40] <malcom2073_> I don't wanna re-make this bushing, but it'd be easy with CNC haha
[14:45:42] <pcw_home> (BUT MAKE really sure of the connections I Am pretty sure those are 100VAC but I could be wrong)
[14:45:47] <zeeshan> i will double check
[14:45:56] <zeeshan> the thing i REALLY want to limit the torque on
[14:45:58] <zeeshan> is the spindle motor
[14:46:02] <zeeshan> i want to limit it to 10kW
[14:46:04] <zeeshan> instead of 15kW
[14:46:14] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/T7txKna.png
[14:46:36] <zeeshan> i also feel like the spindle drive won't work on 2 phases
[14:46:37] <pcw_home> Just dont start/stop it too fast :-)
[14:46:55] <zeeshan> cause the 3 phases go into the regen control circuit
[14:47:12] <pcw_home> it will probably bellyache about the missing phases
[14:47:24] <zeeshan> i was showing the guys lastr night:
[14:47:28] <pcw_home> and not start
[14:47:49] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/kQ3Q4SC.jpg
[14:47:53] <zeeshan> here is the physical rst terminals
[14:48:07] <zeeshan> there are two wires going from r s to do something
[14:48:15] <zeeshan> which i think is the control power
[14:48:18] <zeeshan> going to fuses f4b and f4a
[14:48:28] <zeeshan> (there is a transformer there)
[14:48:58] <Jymmm> How to cut wood http://imgur.com/gallery/UNAnE
[14:49:36] <pcw_home> I suspect it will be tough to get the spindle drive to work, might be better to sell it and buy a VFD
[14:49:44] <zeeshan> but i want orientation control
[14:49:44] <zeeshan> :(
[14:50:41] <pcw_home> IICRC those drives are pretty sophisticated and may be quite difficult to run without 3 phase input power
[14:50:49] <zeeshan> the spindle drive
[14:50:54] <zeeshan> or the axis drives?
[14:51:02] <zeeshan> cause the axis drives dont seem to have a check for phase loss
[14:51:32] <pcw_home> The Axis drives should be easy to run on single phase
[14:52:22] <zeeshan> could you recommend a drive
[14:52:28] <zeeshan> a vfd that can run 3 phase pm motors?
[14:53:20] <pcw_home> What make you think thats a PM motor?
[14:54:34] <Sync> hmm, if it has a regen control it might be hard to run on single phase
[14:54:36] <zeeshan> because of the block diagram
[14:54:41] <zeeshan> here|:
[14:54:52] <Sync> although you might be able to yolo it
[14:55:21] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/qTotQEl.png
[14:55:25] <zeeshan> it says "AC spindle servo unit"
[14:55:49] <Sync> I mean, just try it
[14:55:59] <zeeshan> Sync: i dont want to burn it
[14:56:06] <zeeshan> cause i can get $2000+ for it
[14:56:15] <zeeshan> and use that money to get something more modern and compact
[14:56:22] <zeeshan> like a wj200 which can run both types of motors
[14:56:30] <pcw_home> Very easy to check the motor
[14:56:31] <zeeshan> but ireally want orientation , because id like to put live tooling on the lathe
[14:56:32] <pcw_home> (short 2 leads and turn the shaft)
[14:57:16] <Sync> it most probably will not burn up zeeshan
[14:57:25] <Sync> and I highly doubt that you can actually sell it for that kind of money
[14:57:39] <zeeshan> Sync: i saw one go on ebay
[14:57:41] <zeeshan> for 2000
[14:57:46] <zeeshan> it was being bid on
[14:57:51] <zeeshan> so i don't doubt i can sell it for that high
[14:58:15] <Sync> dunno, I watch some spindle drives here around that price being not sold for a few years
[14:59:27] <zeeshan> PCW: why are the fanuc servo drives physically so much bigger
[14:59:32] <zeeshan> in comparison to amc drives?
[14:59:37] <zeeshan> for the same continuous current capacity
[14:59:55] <anomynous_> live tooling <3 lathe is boring without live tooling
[14:59:56] <anomynous_> ;D
[15:00:01] <MattyMatt> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOORE-AND-WRIGHT-BRAILLE-MICROMETER-MODEL-NO-686-73-RANGE-0-1-READING-0-001/401015237518 essential for the blind lathe user
[15:00:09] <MattyMatt> and a blindfold
[15:00:18] <zeeshan> wow thats cool
[15:00:30] <anomynous_> well not. it can be exciting if a workpiece stays in jaws
[15:00:33] <anomynous_> ;D
[15:00:45] <zeeshan> haha anomynous_ -- i like cnc lathes
[15:07:38] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Advance-Motion-Controls-B25A20ACN-BH2-PWM-Brushless-Servo-Amplifier-30-125V-AMC-/151597564369?hash=item234beb41d1:g:ccgAAOSwv0tU6QA5
[15:07:41] <zeeshan> CHEAP!
[15:07:42] <zeeshan> and brand new
[15:08:52] <pcw_home> The drives are older (so use Bipolar transistors) but also have a much larger peak current rating than the AMC drives
[15:09:01] <zeeshan> when you say much lareger
[15:09:03] <zeeshan> how much larger?
[15:09:03] <zeeshan> 3x?
[15:09:05] <zeeshan> 4x?
[15:09:10] <zeeshan> amc is 2x
[15:09:22] <pcw_home> 2X -3X at least
[15:09:30] <zeeshan> amc peak is 25A
[15:09:42] <zeeshan> but theyre like 4x the size of the amc
[15:10:30] <pcw_home> I would expect that the Fanuc drives can supply 40 -80 A peak
[15:10:40] <zeeshan> ah they're a better drive then
[15:10:56] <zeeshan> remember a while back you told me the be25a20ac is too small for my Z
[15:11:06] <zeeshan> it's working fine for what i need
[15:11:15] <zeeshan> but i had to slow it down by 20ipm relative to the other 2 axis
[15:11:24] <zeeshan> and decrease accel
[15:11:31] <zeeshan> i suspect this is because of the peak current like yo uwere saying.
[15:11:38] <zeeshan> i don't want to run into the same issue w/ this machine
[15:11:46] <zeeshan> since ill be using it in production mode sometimes
[15:12:19] <zeeshan> they are also cheaper to replace
[15:12:22] <zeeshan> vs the amc :)
[15:12:41] <pcw_home> Yeah those drives are matched to the motors ( and a 12A Cont motor is likely close to 40-50Apeak)
[15:14:37] <zeeshan> ill check of the motor is PM w/ your test method.
[15:14:51] <zeeshan> if it is indeed PM, do you think I can somehow run it at 10hp vs 20hp
[15:15:02] <zeeshan> so it draws less current, and requires a smaller vfd
[15:15:23] <zeeshan> w/ AC induction motors in my experience, if you try to run a 2hp motor w/ a 1hp vfd
[15:15:34] <zeeshan> it draws a lot more current than it's rated for
[15:15:42] <zeeshan> (the vfd)
[15:16:15] <pcw_home> I suspect the issue will be getting the spindle drive to not immediately fault
[15:16:44] <zeeshan> the VFD
[15:16:45] <zeeshan> or fanuc?
[15:16:49] <pcw_home> most VFDs are not going to work with PM motors
[15:17:00] <zeeshan> the wj200 says its meant to drive PM
[15:17:26] <zeeshan> http://www.hitachi-ies.co.jp/english/products/inv/wj200/features1.htm
[15:17:30] <zeeshan> Induction motor & Permanent magnetic motor* control with one inverter
[15:17:34] <pcw_home> OK
[15:17:48] <zeeshan> my worry is using a 10hp vfd to drive wj200
[15:18:17] <zeeshan> to drive a 20hp motor
[15:18:27] * zeeshan can't type :)
[15:59:14] <Erant> Huh, I just noticed the 7i78 doesn't really have any inputs... How do I wire up stuff like drive faults and servo enable and whatnot?
[16:01:13] <ssi> pcw_home: so if you short two phases together and the motor won't turn, it's a pm motor, if it's an induction motor it will turn?
[16:01:30] <pcw_home> yes
[16:01:34] <ssi> ok
[16:01:39] * ssi runs off to try his spindle
[16:01:56] <pcw_home> (well it will turn but will resist motion)
[16:02:14] <ssi> yeah this 1kw servo next to me spins free, but if I short two phases it gets stiff and cogs
[16:02:18] <ssi> lemme try the spindle
[16:04:22] <ssi> doesn't seem to make a difference on the spindle
[16:04:26] <ssi> it's a fanuc 18P/10000
[16:04:41] <ssi> zee and I were talking about it last night and we came to the conclusion it was probably PM, but now I'm not so sure
[16:04:52] <zeeshan> did yuou try the phase short technique?
[16:04:54] <ssi> yes
[16:04:56] <zeeshan> i will do it in a few min
[16:04:59] <zeeshan> it doesnt make a diff?
[16:05:03] <ssi> I just alligator clipped at the jbox onthe side of the motor
[16:05:04] <ssi> didn't seem to
[16:05:10] <Contract_Pilot> Sup....
[16:05:12] <zeeshan> hm
[16:05:22] <zeeshan> i dont understand how you can have a servo motor
[16:05:24] <zeeshan> when its not sync
[16:05:40] <ssi> well it may well not be a servo motor
[16:05:45] <Contract_Pilot> SSI had a good chuckle somone offerd me 70.00 for a brand new fiberglass 150 wing tip.
[16:06:03] <Sync> why not zeeshan
[16:06:14] <ssi> did you tell him you won't take a dollar less than $85? :D
[16:06:24] <Contract_Pilot> hahaha
[16:06:25] <zeeshan> sync cause it needs to be accurate
[16:06:52] <Contract_Pilot> told him sorry he can buy one from the mfg for 275.00 + ship.
[16:06:52] <archivist> the feedback and control loop is what makes it accurate
[16:06:52] <Sync> so wat? you will get slip that you need to compensate for
[16:07:03] <zeeshan> that slip isn't a constant amount
[16:07:05] <zeeshan> it varies
[16:07:18] <Sync> so
[16:07:19] <zeeshan> and you can't hold position
[16:07:22] <archivist> the feedback and control loop is what makes it accurate
[16:23:28] <Deejay> gn8
[16:31:32] <zeeshan> ssi
[16:31:35] <zeeshan> !
[16:55:51] <zeeshan> pcw , ssi
[16:55:57] <zeeshan> the motor is ac induction i think
[16:56:02] <zeeshan> cause doing the short test doesnt do anything
[16:56:11] <zeeshan> blargh :P
[16:56:29] <zeeshan> ssi mine has the same module type thing as your motor
[16:56:32] <zeeshan> w/ the fanuc fancy encoder
[16:56:45] <XXCoder> Contract_Pilot: guess guy thought you didnt know value of those things.
[16:56:52] <MrSunshine> hmm trying to descide on a fan design for dust collection .. ofc i want the best ind of fan for it ... anyone have any input on that? =)
[16:57:06] <MrSunshine> there are forward curved, backwards curved .. straight or radial blades etc .. :/
[16:57:52] <andypugh> What do they us in vacuum cleaners?
[16:58:17] <XXCoder> MrSunshine: planning filter ir before it passes though fan itself or after?
[16:58:31] <MrSunshine> cyclone before it passes throught the blower
[16:58:32] <XXCoder> not really to answer your question, just curious
[16:58:43] <MrSunshine> and maybe some kind of filtering system right after the cyclone
[16:59:18] <XXCoder> woodgears used a house vent system filter with fan, seem very effective
[17:00:22] <MrSunshine> looks like backwards curved, from what i can read they are able to cope with dust etc also
[17:00:27] <MrSunshine> so might be the deisgn to go with
[17:00:37] <XXCoder> interesting http://www.3domusa.com/shop/buzzed-beer-filament/
[17:00:42] <Praesmeodymium> radial (squirrelcage) fans can develop pressure axial do not very well
[17:00:50] <MrSunshine> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/60034222031/Precision_turbo_vacuum_cleaner_impeller_high_precision.jpg
[17:01:03] <MrSunshine> tho ... they look quite complicated the ones in vacuum cleaner systems :P
[17:01:13] <Wolf_> I use a cyclone on a 30gal drum, then in to a shop vac with a bag filter and hepa filter
[17:03:03] <Praesmeodymium> oh forgot this is the room where cheapest is not the bestest lol
[17:03:18] <PetefromTn_> Just visited with a local machinist friend...
[17:03:22] <MrSunshine> Type 6, Airfoil wheels incorporate a blade design with the cross section of an airplane wing. They are the most efficient design for moving large volumes of air. They are commonly used for ventilation, forced cooling at higher pressures, and on dust collectors, where the fan is on the clean side of the collector.
[17:03:33] <MrSunshine> hmm but airfoil is a bit tricky to make i guess =)
[17:03:42] <PetefromTn_> he sold me a bunch of great cutters/endmills for a song!!
[17:03:54] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: nice
[17:04:17] <PetefromTn_> got some nice new YG1 V7 coated carbides in several different flavors
[17:04:30] <PetefromTn_> got a nice new MA ford champfer bit
[17:04:53] <PetefromTn_> also got a cool Scandinavian Tool company insert threadmill with some inserts
[17:05:25] <PetefromTn_> and a few other goodies for $60.00!!
[17:05:47] <Tom_itx> did you dance for him?
[17:05:54] <PetefromTn_> I should have ;)
[17:06:27] <PetefromTn_> I went over there because he was telling me he had a bunch of the Yg1's for sale
[17:06:40] <PetefromTn_> but now I am kinda excited about this insert threadmill.
[17:07:02] <PetefromTn_> it won't work for small threads but for larger bores and external threads on bosses it should be beautiful
[17:09:23] <Tom_itx> why was he gettin rid of em?
[17:09:41] <MrSunshine> hmm in dust collection, are you looking for high volume or high preasure? =)
[17:10:00] <PetefromTn_> well he has TONS of tooling
[17:10:04] <MrSunshine> tho they measure on the exhaust side it seems ...
[17:10:26] <PetefromTn_> and I think he got some new stuff to replace this stuff and he also buys lots of tooling and resells them.
[17:10:40] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Did you read that description of thread-milling M2 threads in titanium?
[17:10:42] <PetefromTn_> but mostly he is just a good friend and gets me deals LOL
[17:10:52] <PetefromTn_> andypugh no
[17:10:55] <Tom_itx> nice
[17:10:58] <PetefromTn_> was it for me>
[17:11:29] <PetefromTn_> http://www.scandinavian-tool.se/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Threadmill_US.pdf this it the .PDF of the insert threadmill I got
[17:11:59] <PetefromTn_> TMX0075-79-2-14 I got this one I think,
[17:12:41] <MrSunshine> looks like its the backwards curved design that it is .. tho cant handle dust very well but most efficient for dust collection it seems
[17:12:43] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: “Stage Two” here: http://www.f1-2000.co.uk/index.php?f=conrods
[17:12:59] <ssi> zeeshan: hm ok... what model is yours?
[17:14:09] <PetefromTn_> M2x.04??
[17:14:24] <andypugh> M2 x 0.4 I think.
[17:14:39] <PetefromTn_> yeah thats what I meant
[17:14:44] <PetefromTn_> pretty tiny
[17:14:48] <andypugh> 63.5tpi
[17:15:30] <PetefromTn_> heh reminds me
[17:15:56] <PetefromTn_> one of the guys in the shop just bought a set of con rods for his 800hp turbo Honda civic he is building
[17:16:18] <PetefromTn_> he was saying that he WANTED billet aluminum ones but they were too pricey
[17:16:20] <andypugh> I imagine they were bigger?
[17:16:27] <MrSunshine> for small dust you want high volume low vacuum ?
[17:16:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah like six or seven inches long
[17:16:35] <MrSunshine> for big parts you want high vacuum low speed ?
[17:16:37] <MrSunshine> hmm
[17:17:13] <Tom_itx> those are like 6 or 7 cm
[17:17:55] <PetefromTn_> I know I'm just saying they get crazy prices for those HP con rods
[17:18:04] <PetefromTn_> four rods is like $2k
[17:18:14] <andypugh> What were the ones he got made of?
[17:18:29] <PetefromTn_> I think forged steel or something I forgot
[17:18:31] <Tom_itx> yeah, my bud would replace his about midway thru the season
[17:19:47] <PetefromTn_> I wonder how hard it would be to machine some I know they gotta be damn good
[17:19:49] <Tom_itx> pistons had 2-3 different types of coating on them from top to bottom
[17:20:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah he got some new wiseco's too
[17:20:41] <Tom_itx> the rods are a big as your wrist
[17:20:55] <zeeshan> sorry back
[17:20:56] <Tom_itx> good for maybe half a season
[17:21:03] <zeeshan> model of the motor?
[17:21:06] <PetefromTn_> what kind of car/motor?
[17:21:27] <Tom_itx> keith black 540 blown
[17:21:33] <Tom_itx> funnycar
[17:21:43] <PetefromTn_> ah
[17:21:48] <Akex_> Hy all
[17:21:50] <Tom_itx> 3k+ hp
[17:22:09] <Akex_> Now linuxcnc work on 64bit processor ?
[17:22:22] <Tom_itx> Akex_, i think so
[17:22:48] <Akex_> Tom i want that sure ...
[17:23:09] <PetefromTn_> just found out that they have a nice cars and coffee in Knoxville on Sunday mornings...
[17:23:40] <Akex_> andypugh: i am sure you know that ;)
[17:24:35] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_alternate_install_methods
[17:24:37] <Tom_itx> Akex_, yes
[17:24:51] <Tom_itx> jessie, wheezy, precise
[17:25:00] <Tom_itx> lucid
[17:25:08] <Tom_itx> all have 64 versions
[17:25:33] <zeeshan> ssi: a06b-1012-b200
[17:26:17] <Akex_> I must don't use a live cd that it ? Tom_itx
[17:26:30] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure on that
[17:29:00] <PetefromTn_> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/5283471974.html OMFG now THAT is a Bandsaw!!
[17:30:04] <zeeshan> haha
[17:30:06] <zeeshan> serious business!
[17:30:14] <Tom_itx> nice big throat
[17:30:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah man that is a beast
[17:30:48] <PetefromTn_> and actually that is a SMOKING price too
[17:31:11] <zeeshan> PCW: for a 3 phase PM motor, rotating the shaft should cause a generation of voltage at u v w?
[17:31:13] <zeeshan> right?
[17:31:18] <zeeshan> cause its a permanent magnet rotor..
[17:31:23] <Tom_itx> blade's probably 3 mi long
[17:31:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah probably cost for blades a good bit
[17:31:41] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: probably because its smoking heh
[17:31:42] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i think i saw a bandsaw like that new for $12000
[17:31:44] <XXCoder> honest dunno
[17:31:45] <zeeshan> so it is a crazy deal
[17:31:57] <Wolf_> blade cost? it has a blade welder on it
[17:32:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is a very expensive machine
[17:32:31] <PetefromTn_> wish I did not need to spend my pennies on CNC lathe parts I might try to buy that one...
[17:32:55] <zeeshan> prolly weighs 2000lb
[17:32:55] <zeeshan> :D
[17:33:08] <PetefromTn_> probably
[17:33:23] <PetefromTn_> you could cut your car in half on that damn thing tho ;)
[17:36:01] <andypugh> zeeshan: I would expect to generate voltage with a pM motor, yes,
[17:36:08] <zeeshan> but ac motor no
[17:36:16] <zeeshan> because the rotor is just a chunk of useless metal
[17:36:16] <zeeshan> :D
[17:36:26] <zeeshan> okay logic is correct :D
[17:36:27] <andypugh> Even an AC motor if spinning very fast, but not a lot.
[17:36:59] <zeeshan> i was thinking about this because i remember putting a volt meter on a 3 phase induction motor before
[17:37:04] <zeeshan> and it doesnt do anything in terms of generation of voltage
[17:37:23] <zeeshan> but if you pull the motor apart and put in 4 magnets equically spaced about the axis
[17:37:32] <zeeshan> now you got yourself a pm motor and you can generate voltage
[17:37:40] <zeeshan> i was played with this like a decade ago for fun
[17:37:48] <zeeshan> when i was into building a wind generator
[17:37:59] <pcw_home> An induction motor maybe generale a tiny bit from residual magnetism
[17:38:21] <zeeshan> so pcw im glad you asked your q
[17:38:28] <pcw_home> not enough to notice from shorted windings though
[17:38:31] <zeeshan> cause i was thinking just cause it said "Ac servo spindle drive"
[17:38:38] <zeeshan> that it was a PM motor
[17:39:08] <zeeshan> but its an async motor and they've got an encoder on the rotor to make "synchronous"
[17:39:34] <zeeshan> through control..
[17:39:47] <pcw_home> there are induction servos and they can have good servo performance but require more complicated control to achieve that performance
[17:39:55] <zeeshan> why though?
[17:40:02] <zeeshan> if you got an encoder on a rotor, you know the actual speed right?
[17:40:15] <zeeshan> can't you use simple pid to control the voltage/frequency
[17:40:20] <zeeshan> to achieve your desired rotor speed?
[17:40:23] <pcw_home> because the control needs to maintain and model the rotor flux
[17:40:56] <zeeshan> isn't that for sensorless control?
[17:41:09] <pcw_home> no
[17:42:11] <pcw_home> maintaining the rotor flux through reversals is not trivial
[17:43:32] <pcw_home> There are some pretty good papers on using induction motors as servos, worth a search if you are interested
[17:43:42] * zeeshan just wants to use a regular vfd
[17:43:44] <zeeshan> w/ feedback
[17:43:49] <zeeshan> to control position :(
[17:44:08] <SpeedEvil> pcw_home: I started trying to work out the possible responses of two phase AC motors, fed with an envelope limited to existing mains, but chopped.
[17:44:13] <zeeshan> this vfd i currently have
[17:44:16] <SpeedEvil> pcw_home: I soon went mad.
[17:44:21] <zeeshan> has something called "gain closed-loop vector control"
[17:44:32] <zeeshan> which uses encoder feedback and some other motor parameters
[17:44:35] <zeeshan> to achieve closed loop performance
[17:44:44] <zeeshan> er clsoed loop control of position
[17:44:52] <zeeshan> i've never done it because i thought it was impossible :P
[17:44:56] <pcw_home> induction motors have some advantages as spindles since you can get a wider speed range via filed weakening
[17:45:12] <pcw_home> field weakening
[17:45:23] <zeeshan> i'm not worried about zero speed torque because i have a brake caliper on the spindle
[17:45:36] <zeeshan> (which is how i think it was holding the spindle locked)
[17:45:50] <pcw_home> Non PM DC motors also have this advantage
[17:46:06] <zeeshan> because there isn't back emf?
[17:46:09] <SpeedEvil> pcw_home: you can do field weakening on PM brushless too
[17:46:16] <SpeedEvil> pcw_home: >90C or so does it.
[17:46:34] <pcw_home> yeah but that more permanent :-)
[17:47:14] <SpeedEvil> now I'm wondering if it's possible to remagnetise using teh existing coils without actually frying the coils in the pulse.
[17:47:21] <SpeedEvil> I suspect not
[17:48:28] <pcw_home> zeeshan: imaging a DC motor with a field winding, the back EMF is directly proportional to the speed*the field current
[17:48:34] <pcw_home> imagine
[17:48:43] <zeeshan> yes this is why you need to pump more voltage
[17:48:50] <zeeshan> to get em to spin faster
[17:49:18] <pcw_home> so if i 1/2 the field current, i can run twice as fast with the same power supply voltage
[17:49:42] <pcw_home> (with 1/2 the torque also)
[17:50:08] <SpeedEvil> Also causes fun explosions if you lose the field coils and remenant magnetism is enough to keep it going
[17:50:42] <pcw_home> yes, you do lose efficiency as you lower the field strength
[17:51:02] <zeeshan> has anyone here used closed loop vector control using a 3 phase induction motor
[17:51:08] <zeeshan> for angular position
[17:51:30] <zeeshan> like basically get a motor to consistently go to 30 degrees for example
[17:51:41] <zeeshan> when it reaches there, wait 200 ms and then apply a brake
[17:51:45] <zeeshan> do your machining
[17:51:51] <zeeshan> then remove brake, and position somewhere else
[17:51:53] <SpeedEvil> Yes, you can do that
[17:51:53] <zeeshan> and brake again
[17:51:55] <zeeshan> etc
[17:52:15] <SpeedEvil> (well, in principle with a closed-loop control of suitable fu)
[17:52:24] <pcw_home> the (1990's) Fanuc control managed to do it :-)
[17:52:27] <zeeshan> i see 2 closed loop control methods :P
[17:52:31] <SpeedEvil> The torque is proportional to slip speed.
[17:52:40] <zeeshan> v/hz and vector
[17:52:49] <zeeshan> one is controlling magnitude, the other is control magnitude and direction
[17:52:58] <zeeshan> so i'd think vector control is superior
[17:53:13] <zeeshan> pcw_ that's true :)
[17:53:21] <zeeshan> the drive only weighed 80lb..
[17:53:22] <zeeshan> :)
[17:54:55] <zeeshan> i dont understand why my machine has 2 encoders
[17:54:57] <zeeshan> one right on the spindle motor
[17:54:59] <zeeshan> and one right on the chuck
[17:55:05] <zeeshan> (axially to the chuck)
[17:55:08] <SpeedEvil> Slop?
[17:55:20] <zeeshan> yes, but then why go through the effort of putting one on the motor
[17:55:20] <SpeedEvil> Are there gears?
[17:55:22] <zeeshan> just use the chuck one
[17:55:23] <zeeshan> yes
[17:55:25] <zeeshan> and belts
[17:55:35] <SpeedEvil> you want to control the motor speed at the motor, I guess.
[17:55:42] <zeeshan> why?
[17:55:43] <zeeshan> :P
[17:55:45] <SpeedEvil> Rather than trying to infer the motor speed at teh chuck.
[17:55:50] <pcw_home> Sure 80# but 20? HP and regeneration, not going to get that in a cheap VFD
[17:56:01] <SpeedEvil> (this is a guess)
[17:56:17] <zeeshan> http://www.vfds.com/20hp-230V-hitachi-vfd-WJ200110LF
[17:56:23] <zeeshan> this isn't super badly pricedf
[17:56:53] <pcw_home> no regeneration
[17:57:06] <pcw_home> just a brake resistor
[17:57:18] <zeeshan> my sumitomo vfd has regen
[17:57:22] <zeeshan> its 10hp though
[17:57:28] <zeeshan> i'd LOVE to use the same drive to run the machine
[17:57:40] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sumitomo-VFD-HF4302-7A5-Adjustable-Variable-Frequency-Drives-1-PH-3-PH-/171383770332?hash=item27e744ccdc
[17:57:45] <zeeshan> but i really feel like
[17:57:52] <zeeshan> even under no load
[17:57:54] <zeeshan> it'll overcurrent
[17:58:01] <zeeshan> w/ a 15kw motor
[17:59:45] <PetefromTn_> woah what is that?
[18:00:00] <zeeshan> ??
[18:00:34] <PetefromTn_> is that a single phase input 7.5hp VFD?
[18:00:38] <zeeshan> 10hp
[18:00:39] <zeeshan> yes
[18:00:42] <zeeshan> i showed you this before!
[18:00:44] <zeeshan> you didnt like it :{
[18:00:46] <PetefromTn_> WTF!!!!
[18:00:58] <PetefromTn_> that is HALF the price of what I have been looking at
[18:01:06] <PetefromTn_> is that what you have on your machine?
[18:01:32] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean I didn't like it?
[18:01:40] <zeeshan> yes that's what is on the mill
[18:02:06] <zeeshan> i think you wanted to get a wj200
[18:02:09] <PetefromTn_> that should easily run my 7.5 HP lathe motor then?
[18:02:15] <zeeshan> ya
[18:02:32] <PetefromTn_> have you had any issues with yours?
[18:02:34] <zeeshan> i wrote a modbus driver for it
[18:02:36] <zeeshan> er
[18:02:38] <zeeshan> not modbus
[18:02:42] <zeeshan> the main issue was it doesnt use modbus
[18:02:48] <zeeshan> the addon card is like $400..
[18:02:50] <zeeshan> and very hard to get
[18:02:53] <PetefromTn_> I don't want modbus for this
[18:03:04] <zeeshan> so i hacked their propietary communication protocol
[18:03:07] <zeeshan> and grabbed the info
[18:03:11] <zeeshan> you do if you want to monitor torque
[18:03:12] <zeeshan> and things like that
[18:03:44] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: when you look at the manual for the sumitomo drive
[18:03:44] <PetefromTn_> I just need it to spin my lathe motor with sufficient power and be able to control fwd rev/ speed/threading
[18:03:49] <zeeshan> and compare it to the l300p by hitachi
[18:03:55] <zeeshan> its the EXACT same manual almost!!
[18:04:04] <zeeshan> all the memory addreses are the same
[18:04:07] <zeeshan> all the menus are same
[18:06:55] <PetefromTn_> awesome..
[18:07:02] <PetefromTn_> but you are happy with it...
[18:07:10] <zeeshan> yes
[18:07:29] <zeeshan> i like how the capacitor pack is modular
[18:07:36] <zeeshan> so when the time comes to replace it
[18:07:41] <zeeshan> its like 4 bolts
[18:07:46] <zeeshan> and it comes right out :D
[18:08:19] <PetefromTn_> jeez I think you may have just saved me like $430.00!!!
[18:08:27] <andypugh> I have 3 days left on my HSM Pro demo, so I feel I have to get these patterns done. But I don’t really want to. If it wasn’t for the license thing I would be dping something different, like making motors spin.
[18:08:31] <zeeshan> make sure its okay for your app :P
[18:09:00] <zeeshan> andypugh: fix my stuff :"(
[18:09:10] <PetefromTn_> why would it not be okay for my app?
[18:10:24] <zeeshan> i think it'd be okay
[18:11:22] <zeeshan> i dont like how the 1 phase
[18:11:23] <zeeshan> is blank
[18:11:42] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean 1 phase is blank?
[18:11:51] <zeeshan> the current rating on it
[18:11:54] <zeeshan> its got a rating on the 3 phase
[18:11:56] <zeeshan> but not on the single phase
[18:14:20] <andypugh> Look at the auction, last picture
[18:17:48] <PetefromTn_> you are running this thing on single phase 230v input right?
[18:17:53] <zeeshan> yes
[18:18:04] <PetefromTn_> what HP?
[18:19:06] <zeeshan> good question
[18:19:07] <zeeshan> i need to check haha
[18:19:13] <jthornton> you have to derate a 3 phase input to run on single phase
[18:19:27] <zeeshan> jthornton: but its meant to be used on single phase too
[18:19:33] <zeeshan> i think the caps are oversized
[18:19:53] <zeeshan> when i was reading about it i got the impression is a robust drive cause it accounts for phase loss
[18:19:57] <jthornton> if it is rated for single phase input that's a whole different ball game
[18:20:07] <zeeshan> cause it specifically tells you on the drive
[18:20:12] <zeeshan> to connect l1 and l3 for single phase operation
[18:20:22] <zeeshan> otherwise it'll error out
[18:20:30] <XXCoder> walmart is busted, they was labeling chinese crap products as made in usa
[18:20:35] <jthornton> the biggest I've seen single phase input is 3hp but I'm sure there are bigger ones
[18:20:58] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/i5H5xKV.jpg
[18:21:03] <zeeshan> 4.4kW so 6HP pete
[18:21:07] <Erant> RS232 is non-blocking on LinuxCNC, right?
[18:21:11] <zeeshan> jthornton: i found a really big one
[18:21:12] <zeeshan> haha
[18:21:24] <jthornton> nice
[18:21:29] <zeeshan> https://www.driveswarehouse.com/p-2152-pc1-200.aspx
[18:21:36] <zeeshan> 130A input
[18:21:36] <zeeshan> lol
[18:21:47] <jthornton> holy crap batman
[18:22:41] <PetefromTn_> its probably not big enough to run my 7.5 on single then huh
[18:23:45] <ssi> zeeshan: sry back
[18:24:01] <zeeshan> ssi i think we got induction motors..
[18:24:05] <ssi> yea I think you're right
[18:24:15] <zeeshan> mine doesnt output an voltage when i spin it
[18:24:51] <zeeshan> ssi what vfd did you get
[18:24:54] <zeeshan> and what is your motor nameplate hp
[18:24:57] <ssi> zeeshan: wj200, 25hp
[18:25:05] <ssi> motor is 9kw continuous, 11kw for 30 min
[18:25:07] <ssi> 15hp
[18:25:16] <ssi> I paid about $1100 for the vfd
[18:25:18] <zeeshan> wj200 comes in 25hp?
[18:25:20] <ssi> yep
[18:25:21] <zeeshan> i only see 20hp max
[18:25:27] <zeeshan> for single phase 240v
[18:25:29] <zeeshan> er
[18:25:31] <zeeshan> 3 phase 240v
[18:25:47] <ssi> I think it's 20hp continuous, 25hp variable torque
[18:25:55] <ssi> WJ200-150HF I believe?
[18:26:08] <zeeshan> yea but we care about CT rating
[18:26:09] <zeeshan> not vt
[18:26:17] <jthornton> ssi, I got it working :)
[18:26:18] <renesis> https://vid.me/AHTj
[18:26:20] <renesis> skill.
[18:26:23] <ssi> jthornton: sweet :D
[18:26:29] <zeeshan> got what working
[18:26:41] <jthornton> did you see the screenshots?
[18:26:44] <ssi> none of your business! :D
[18:26:45] <ssi> jthornton: no
[18:26:48] <jthornton> lol
[18:27:33] <ssi> zeeshan: foundit,I got a wj200-150LF
[18:27:38] <ssi> dunno what HF vs LF is
[18:27:41] <jthornton> http://ibin.co/2K95bemSRUAG
[18:27:42] <ssi> paid $1025 for it
[18:27:49] <zeeshan> yea thats what i see it going for
[18:27:51] <zeeshan> well 1080$
[18:27:55] <zeeshan> i think im gonan sell my fanuc
[18:27:58] <zeeshan> and just play it safe
[18:28:03] <zeeshan> but i still got a problem
[18:28:06] <zeeshan> my motor is 15kW..
[18:28:07] <ssi> jthornton: looks perfect!
[18:28:09] <zeeshan> at 4500 rpm
[18:28:14] <jthornton> http://ibin.co/2K97xm6DtP4g
[18:28:28] <zeeshan> what is this maze
[18:28:40] <zeeshan> oh nice youre converting dxf to g-code?
[18:28:40] <zeeshan> :D
[18:28:46] <jthornton> yea, when it finally dawned on me what I had to do to match end points it just clicked
[18:28:52] <jthornton> zeeshan, yep
[18:28:58] <zeeshan> that's very useful!
[18:29:02] <jthornton> and real fast too :)
[18:29:03] <ssi> zeeshan: lol nice picture
[18:29:08] <zeeshan> haha ssi
[18:29:15] <zeeshan> big gun
[18:29:57] <ssi> I bought more snapon shit off ebay last night :P
[18:30:25] <zeeshan> whatd you buy
[18:30:33] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/231727670723?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[18:30:40] <ssi> plus one-off 5/16 and 11/32 to complete the set
[18:30:55] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/141788983412?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[18:31:00] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121694598386?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[18:31:11] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-5KW-10HP-34A-220VAC-SINGLE-PHASE-VARIABLE-FREQUENCY-DRIVE-INVERTER-VSD-VFD-/171853257834
[18:31:19] <zeeshan> F china
[18:31:29] <jthornton> I ran it from python a while ago so making a gui now
[18:31:53] <zeeshan> ISO9001 quality certifications which means this item is the top quanlity item.
[18:31:54] <zeeshan> !
[18:31:54] <zeeshan> :D
[18:31:57] <zeeshan> chinglish
[18:32:15] <ssi> zeeshan: yea man I don't mind buying some cheap crap but cheap crap to run 7.5+kw gives me the willies :)
[18:32:44] <zeeshan> it really sucks balls when a machine stops working in the middle of a job
[18:32:51] <zeeshan> especially when you have limited time to do it
[18:32:59] <ssi> it sucks even worse when the output transistors explode and the machine catches on fire :D
[18:34:42] <zeeshan> ssi: you know the rating of 11kW for your motor
[18:34:49] <zeeshan> that works out to like 39A
[18:35:03] <zeeshan> want to hook it up for me? :D
[18:35:10] <zeeshan> and see if it actually draws 39A when it reaches speed
[18:35:14] <zeeshan> or draws like 12A
[18:36:00] <ssi> I guarantee it doesn't draw 39A at speed unloaded
[18:36:08] <zeeshan> dude i had problems with that shit before
[18:36:13] <zeeshan> 2hp motor on a 1hp
[18:36:18] <zeeshan> it overcurrent within 5 seconds
[18:36:27] <zeeshan> =/
[18:36:41] <zeeshan> i guess ill get the 20hp wj200
[18:36:47] <zeeshan> and if it fails, ill just get a differnt motor
[18:37:04] <zeeshan> (which hopefully has a builtin encoder for the rotor)
[18:37:06] <ssi> lol good plan
[18:37:22] <zeeshan> i dont wanna get a 40hp drive
[18:37:25] <zeeshan> and draw 130A!!!
[18:37:37] <zeeshan> i dont think the bus bar on my panel can handle more than 120A
[18:37:39] <zeeshan> per circuit
[18:39:18] <ssi> ugh there's another color run or something across the street
[18:39:20] <ssi> sounds like a freakin rave
[18:39:36] <SpeedEvil> ssi: one wrinkle is that it may draw a little bit of real power, but quite a bit of complex power at speed unloaded for large motors
[18:40:03] <ssi> SpeedEvil: we don't tolerate imaginary power in this household
[18:40:36] <renesis> power company feels the same way
[18:40:47] <SpeedEvil> yeah - but breakers pop with it.
[18:41:06] <ssi> I haven't had any trouble with it
[18:41:10] <ssi> I've only run it unloaded so far
[18:41:15] <ssi> but I have it on an undersized breaker for now
[18:41:27] <ssi> I figure if it starts nuisance tripping I'll pull bigger cable
[18:41:37] <ssi> right now the whole machine is wired on 6awg on a 60A breaker
[18:41:48] <zeeshan> lol
[18:42:00] <zeeshan> the machine hasn't ran! :P
[18:42:05] * zeeshan hides
[18:42:11] <ssi> yep
[18:42:17] <zeeshan> i forget
[18:42:18] <ssi> good thing I didn't spend a bunch of money on 200A service for it
[18:42:22] <zeeshan> do you have 3phase?
[18:42:26] <ssi> no :(
[18:42:31] <ssi> if I did it would be less of an issue!
[18:42:35] <zeeshan> why would you need to spend money for 200a service
[18:42:38] <zeeshan> its not standard there?
[18:42:47] <ssi> I mean 200A to the machine
[18:42:58] <zeeshan> it needs 120A :P
[18:43:14] <ssi> actually I think the nameplate FLA on the machine is 100A
[18:43:20] <zeeshan> for 3 phase?
[18:43:21] <ssi> but that's 100A 3ph
[18:43:21] <zeeshan> jeez
[18:43:29] <zeeshan> thats a lotta power
[18:43:32] <ssi> yes
[18:43:33] <Erant> Is there a LinuxCNC API document? I'm going to have to write some code to poll status from my drives over RS485, and I'm looking for the API to update the core (start/stop/status, etc.)
[18:43:50] <zeeshan> erant over modbus?
[18:44:00] <Erant> No, it's a custom protocol.
[18:44:05] <Erant> As in, vendor specific.
[18:44:12] <zeeshan> similar to modbus?
[18:44:27] <Erant> Not too familiar with modbus. It's probably not far off
[18:44:45] <zeeshan> i had to write some code to communicate with a vendor specific protocol
[18:44:48] <zeeshan> but it was similar to modbus
[18:44:48] <Erant> It's 2 ASCII characters, with a newline terminator, and then an ASCII reply.
[18:44:57] <zeeshan> but instead of CRC check, it had BCD check
[18:45:02] <zeeshan> and all the function codes were different
[18:45:11] <zeeshan> and reading data was dne differently
[18:45:18] <zeeshan> that sounds very much like modbus ascii
[18:45:25] <zeeshan> do you have documentation of the drive?
[18:45:26] <Erant> No CRC checking though.
[18:45:29] <Erant> Yah.
[18:45:35] <zeeshan> showing the communication frame
[18:46:02] <Erant> Yarp. I'm not too worried about writing the code.
[18:46:24] <zeeshan> do you know pythoin
[18:46:36] <zeeshan> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/vfd.py
[18:46:39] <zeeshan> you could base it off that
[18:46:45] <zeeshan> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/comms.py
[18:46:46] <Erant> I've been writing C and Python for longer than I can remember.
[18:46:52] <zeeshan> and add your protocol to comms.py
[18:46:53] <Erant> Well, C a little bit longer than Python ;)
[18:47:24] <ssi> zeeshan: btw my lift is not chinese
[18:47:26] <ssi> it's made in us
[18:47:31] <ssi> it's a bend-pak
[18:47:37] <zeeshan> O
[18:47:55] <zeeshan> erant if you do decide to follow how i did it
[18:47:59] <zeeshan> please let me know if you find errors
[18:48:09] <zeeshan> i tried to make it as robust as i could, but im new to python
[18:49:31] <jthornton> what are you doing in python?
[18:49:58] <zeeshan> not right now
[18:50:16] <zeeshan> but was trying to communicate over a modbus-like protocol
[18:50:26] <zeeshan> erant in comms.py if you search for "mode_custom"
[18:50:36] <zeeshan> you'll see all the area you likely need to add code for your protocol
[18:51:46] <jthornton> crap I hate the gtk file chooser so much I'll have to learn QT and C++ or write my own file chooser
[18:52:03] <zeeshan> lol
[18:52:09] <zeeshan> you really hate it
[18:52:11] <Erant> I should be able to just inherit from the main comms mode, right?
[18:52:13] <zeeshan> i havent seen you hate something so much
[18:52:48] <zeeshan> erant yep i'd thinkso
[18:53:33] <zeeshan> erant this is what i was doing:
[18:53:34] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/MUBcp7U.png
[18:53:35] <zeeshan> lol
[18:53:49] <zeeshan> cause i didn't understand all the code
[18:54:03] <zeeshan> so i did some trial and error to figure out what the drive was replying back with
[18:55:33] <Erant> Haha. Yeah, that's the easiest way.
[18:55:49] <Erant> I tend to like doing regex's more than the manual parsing of floats and ints though.
[18:56:08] <zeeshan> regex is harder for me to understand :P
[18:56:22] <zeeshan> cause they can get very complex really fast
[19:02:04] <malcom2073_> regex's are easy!
[19:03:40] <Erant> "Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use regular expressions." Now they have two problems."
[19:04:23] <ssi> yep
[19:06:00] <ssi> I think I might be done being productive for toda.y
[19:06:16] <zeeshan> what did you do
[19:06:20] <zeeshan> you were on irc :)
[19:06:26] <ssi> mostly just cleaned up and painted one column of the lift
[19:06:29] <ssi> flew and got fuel
[19:06:41] <zeeshan> do y ou get 3g
[19:06:43] <ssi> spent some time building sigrok to try to do some protocol dumping of smartserial for the stmbl drive
[19:06:44] <zeeshan> while flying
[19:06:48] <ssi> 4g yes
[19:06:52] <zeeshan> haha nice
[19:06:56] <ssi> cleaned up my electronics bench
[19:07:12] <ssi> helped someone change a fuel selector in a citabria
[19:07:36] <ssi> but mostly just that damn paint work
[19:07:55] <ssi> all the arms are painted, the top plate's paited, and one column is painted except for the back
[19:08:05] <ssi> the other column has one side brushed already, gotta brush the rest of it
[19:08:08] <ssi> the interior is the bitch
[19:14:43] <andypugh> Curiously I did a regex course at work on Friday.
[19:15:21] <t12> when faced with a problem you may think
[19:15:26] <t12> i could use a regex to solve this!
[19:15:30] <t12> now you have two problems
[19:15:33] <t12> (to quote jwz)
[19:15:38] <andypugh> The guy had this xkcd in the Powerpoint: https://xkcd.com/1171/
[19:16:08] <andypugh> And also https://xkcd.com/208/
[19:19:21] <PetefromTn_> its too bad they don't seem to offer that sumitomo drive in 15hp for a similar price
[19:25:29] <XXCoder> lol andypugh
[19:27:01] <XXCoder> wow
[19:27:13] <XXCoder> 201 type light bulbs is hard to find
[19:34:29] <zeeshan> lol
[19:34:50] <zeeshan> to me i think code should be easy to follow
[19:34:50] <XXCoder> if someone chopped both my hands off
[19:34:56] <zeeshan> regex isn't easy to follow
[19:35:04] <XXCoder> I can still count to number of matching bulbs for my van dome lights.
[19:48:41] <bobo_> zeeshan: not to throw more ?in your spindle Power ideas, have you or ssi or Pete at least looked at "phaseperfect.com"
[19:50:12] <zeeshan> bobo im pretty decided on modern controls
[19:50:16] <zeeshan> the fanuc stuff is too expensive to work w/
[19:50:24] <zeeshan> i already got them on ebay :P
[19:50:28] <zeeshan> im gonna try playing with their servo drives though
[20:18:10] <zeeshan> http://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/cnc4you/real-life-stories/PublishingImages/sidecar/B03c_Siemens-Haller-Kottmaier_IMG_3029.jpg
[20:18:17] <zeeshan> why hello there
[20:18:36] <Mac-phone> hello to you too
[20:18:43] <zeeshan> not you!
[20:18:44] <zeeshan> :P
[20:18:47] <zeeshan> the pic i posted
[20:18:51] <zeeshan> but hello to you too!
[20:19:54] <Mac-phone> oh just came on so thought you were being friendly :p
[20:20:04] <andypugh> Two of my favourite things combined there. And girl.
[20:20:16] <zeeshan> i was saying hello to the side car :-)
[20:20:16] <zeeshan> hjahah
[20:21:15] <Mac-phone> ah. now im feeling like I missed out :(
[20:21:22] <zeeshan> http://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/cnc4you/real-life-stories/PublishingImages/sidecar/B03c_Siemens-Haller-Kottmaier_IMG_3029.jpg
[20:22:03] <Mac-phone> lol three sweet thangs
[20:22:07] <andypugh> Is it a Ural or a BMW?
[20:22:42] <Mac-phone> rode a ural across Vietnam. what a turd
[20:22:50] <zeeshan> http://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/cnc4you/real-life-stories/pages/sinumerik-840d-sl-successful-in-a-racing-sidecar.aspx
[20:22:52] <zeeshan> it doesnt say
[20:28:47] <malcom2073_> Sup Mac-phone? Phonin it up?
[20:29:17] <Mac-phone> watching season 3 of hemlock grove
[20:30:30] <Mac-phone> and playing battlefield 1943. boring day
[20:31:13] <Mac-phone> malcom2073_ you millin today?
[20:31:30] <malcom2073_> Nah, I started re-making my pully adapter though, got the outside dimention turned, need to do the inside still
[20:35:13] <TekniQue> zeeshan: Running my buddy's DMC50H
[20:35:56] <andypugh> I think the SSD on my Mill has died. Though I guess it is possible that it is just full.
[20:36:18] <malcom2073_> Whups
[20:36:19] <andypugh> I suppose I should boot from USB and have a look
[20:36:25] <malcom2073_> Linux doesn't like a full hard drive
[20:36:46] <andypugh> No, I have had it before and it doesn’t fail elegantly.
[20:37:01] <andypugh> It is only an 8GB drive.
[20:37:23] <andypugh> But, anyway, for time being, it is time to sleep.
[20:48:20] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: poke
[21:07:11] <XXCoder> man
[21:07:17] <XXCoder> 208 bulb type is no more
[21:07:32] <XXCoder> but I tested led one and it works. I guess I gonna use clips or something
[21:23:56] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[21:25:32] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: I want you to hold my hand while I order this stuff
[21:25:58] <PetefromTn_> sorry man I am NOT into holding hands
[21:26:05] <tiwake> lol XD
[21:26:57] <PetefromTn_> honestly like I told you yesterday I am probably not the guy you want to emulate when it comes to anodizing as I have only been somewhat successful
[21:27:15] <XXCoder> yeah PetefromTn_ dont into holding hands
[21:27:19] <XXCoder> hes into holding something else
[21:27:58] <PetefromTn_> what is it you want exactly?
[21:29:28] <tiwake> nothing really, just being silly, acting slightly more insecure than I actually am about the anodizing topic
[21:29:42] <TekniQue> zeeshan: https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/12031482_10153215099351662_1689116572833991439_o.jpg
[21:30:05] <XXCoder> TekniQue: whats that thing for?
[21:30:13] <XXCoder> chip and dips tray? heh
[21:30:52] <PetefromTn_> I just bought the degreaser stuff and the sealer bath stuff from caswell along with the ti wire
[21:31:52] <PetefromTn_> I was trying to use the solvent based dyes from Capthindsight but had no luck with them yet but I have yet to try them in an airbrush as he suggested.
[21:32:57] <TekniQue> XXCoder: rotor for a water brak
[21:32:59] <TekniQue> brake
[21:33:37] <XXCoder> interesting
[21:33:56] <PetefromTn_> ooh horiz CNC mill?
[21:33:57] <XXCoder> well as backup it can make an excellent chip dip array tray! lol
[21:34:21] <XXCoder> my work has a few and they are pretty amazing
[21:34:29] <TekniQue> PetefromTn_: yes, Deckel Maho DMC50H
[21:34:39] <PetefromTn_> sweet
[21:35:39] <TekniQue> material is 7075
[21:54:39] <TekniQue> zeeshan: Programming this machine is a real pain, because I don't have a good programming manual for it and I don't have a matching post processor for Mastercam either
[21:54:52] <TekniQue> I'm running a fanuc post that I hacked to make work
[21:54:59] <TekniQue> but it's not perfect
[21:55:09] <TekniQue> drill cycles don't work for example
[21:55:17] <TekniQue> have to write those by hand
[21:56:45] <TekniQue> because the format of the G81/G82/G83 parameters are just completely different in every way
[21:57:00] <TekniQue> thery're so different they shouldn't have the same G code number
[21:58:21] <XXCoder> I do think gcode is due for rewrite and re-standardize
[21:58:37] <XXCoder> for example nonnumber charactor should follow types
[22:00:50] <TekniQue> yeah g-code is very far from being a standard
[22:01:10] <TekniQue> so much crap that differs between machines
[22:01:23] <XXCoder> I would try to keep some stuff same, like most g
[22:01:26] <TekniQue> very few codes that work the same everywhere
[22:01:30] <XXCoder> but some needs to be changed
[22:02:07] <TekniQue> and there's even shit like some machines wanting G01 while others want only G1
[22:04:43] <XXCoder> fun
[22:06:11] <Tom_itx> i hate that
[22:14:50] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: you use this stuff? www.caswellplating.com/aluminum-deoxidizer-desmut-1-quart.html
[22:17:32] <PetefromTn_> no I did not
[22:29:12] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, what you been working on this evening?
[22:35:11] <PetefromTn_> working on these exhaust manifold parts still LOL
[22:35:40] <XXCoder> hmm
[22:35:49] <XXCoder> is there any good clips thats tiny
[22:35:55] <XXCoder> like under cm
[22:36:04] <ssi> hm
[22:36:51] <Wolf_> c clip? paper clip? ammo clip?
[22:37:00] <ssi> movie c lip
[22:37:10] <XXCoder> oh wire clip
[22:37:47] <XXCoder> I cant buy 208 light bulbs anywhere so I'm using led lights and clips to attach it so it will light up
[22:38:30] <Wolf_> might need to mod the original bulb holders
[22:38:41] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:38:55] <XXCoder> I would rather attach other type of holder
[22:39:05] <XXCoder> but it dont look moddable by much
[22:39:30] <XXCoder> hmm wonder if sockets for certain types are buyable, lemme look bulb type first
[22:39:31] <Wolf_> or solder direct to the dash pcb
[22:40:07] <XXCoder> yeeep http://www.amazon.com/Truck-Light-Socket-Holder-Connector/dp/B00AKX813U/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1445742957&sr=1-1&keywords=194+bulb+socket
[22:40:26] <XXCoder> better option than bare wire connections
[22:40:30] <XXCoder> with clips
[22:42:09] <Wolf_> if it will fit the holes
[22:42:27] <XXCoder> there is area where there is 3 metal prongs
[22:42:34] <XXCoder> 2 to hold middle of bulb
[22:42:42] <XXCoder> and other one to touch bottom
[22:44:09] <XXCoder> one of those is slightly larger than that space
[22:44:26] <XXCoder> but surrounding space is larger. wish i was better on soldering
[22:45:44] <Wolf_> you sure its a 208 light ?
[22:46:02] <XXCoder> its only one I cannot find and its for "reading light"
[22:46:19] <Wolf_> not many odd bulbs in cars...
[22:46:21] <XXCoder> rest of bulbs I already bought and replaced (besides headlights)
[22:47:42] <XXCoder> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/Lightsnissanquest.png
[22:48:10] <Wolf_> base same as a 194?
[22:48:18] <XXCoder> nah
[22:48:27] <XXCoder> it looks almost like flashlight old style bulb
[22:48:46] <Wolf_> ok, bayonet lug base
[22:48:47] <Wolf_> ?
[22:49:34] <XXCoder> it is
[22:50:42] <Wolf_> http://www.muchbuy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/bayonet-type-bulb.jpg
[22:52:01] <Wolf_> or http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/28790.gif
[22:52:23] <Wolf_> maybe T-3 1/4
[22:52:46] <XXCoder> its not double end
[22:53:03] <Wolf_> mini bay
[22:54:07] <Wolf_> or a BA9S
[22:56:07] <Wolf_> http://www.globalpowerleds.com/m/eweb/uploadfile/201271612151766.JPG
[23:00:38] <XXCoder> .36 in diameter
[23:01:01] <XXCoder> may be BA95
[23:01:35] <XXCoder> 9.15 mm
[23:03:40] <XXCoder> height is pretty close too .528
[23:03:50] <XXCoder> it may be close enough
[23:06:58] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/Water-White-Backup-Cleaning-Clothing/dp/B00Q3X8Q7C/ref=sr_1_9?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1445744317&sr=1-9&keywords=ba95+led
[23:07:08] <XXCoder> probably powerful lol
[23:09:39] <Wolf_> hah yeah
[23:09:49] <XXCoder> 7 watts
[23:09:53] <XXCoder> my regular is 10 watts
[23:09:58] <XXCoder> it would be dang bright
[23:10:06] <XXCoder> built in tanning in van? ;)
[23:10:17] <Wolf_> nope
[23:10:26] <Wolf_> not much UV out of a led
[23:10:40] <XXCoder> shh trying to sell it as such lol
[23:10:41] <XXCoder> jk
[23:12:31] <XXCoder> lucky that my holder dont depend on pin position
[23:12:39] <XXCoder> so ba95 ba9 ba9s is fine
[23:12:58] <XXCoder> it just directly clips body not socket insert and turn
[23:13:00] <Wolf_> nice :) beats trying to rig something to work
[23:13:04] <XXCoder> indeed
[23:13:48] <XXCoder> thanks on helping me figure what it is
[23:14:07] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/Genssi-Bayonet-single-contact-White/dp/B00FEQXJBM
[23:15:00] <XXCoder> found 8 pack for cheaper but dunno. more bluish
[23:15:01] <Wolf_> I’ve up-fitted least 5 cars with leds :D
[23:15:13] <XXCoder> my van is nearly all leds now
[23:16:14] <Wolf_> My vw is almost there
[23:16:32] <XXCoder> I need to find better led turn lights
[23:16:35] <XXCoder> 1056 or 7
[23:16:44] <XXCoder> or is it 2056
[23:16:51] <Wolf_> 2 cornering lights, front turns and all the rear lights
[23:16:59] <Wolf_> only ones left
[23:17:02] <XXCoder> 1156
[23:20:07] <bobo_> Wolf whats latest indecision about the Van-Norman ?
[23:20:25] <XXCoder> Wolf_: http://www.amazon.com/SINEDY-SMD5050-Interior-Shining-Brightly/dp/B00T2R77Z8
[23:20:27] <Wolf_> probably gonna pass on it
[23:20:29] <XXCoder> that is.. interestng
[23:20:46] <XXCoder> too big but yea. adoptable
[23:20:57] <Wolf_> yeah I need to get some of them for my camper
[23:21:45] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: what is your email address?
[23:21:56] <XXCoder> found smaller version
[23:21:59] <XXCoder> just over 2 bucks nice
[23:22:36] <Wolf_> http://www.amazon.com/LEMONBEST-Energy-saving-Vehicle-Interior-Lighting/dp/B00H9BOQEE/ref=pd_sim_sbs_263_8?ie=UTF8&dpID=41itXyfAa%2BL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=0HY0RV6EE65W1QX5GJBP
[23:22:50] <Wolf_> cob led are fun
[23:23:10] <XXCoder> I rather get corncob style ones not those
[23:23:20] <XXCoder> so it can use reflector
[23:23:45] <Wolf_> led kinda suck using incan reflectors
[23:24:01] <XXCoder> not when it has leds facing all sides
[23:24:12] <XXCoder> I just swapped console lights with leds, looks perfect
[23:24:33] <XXCoder> only dark spot is design flaw not lighting. I guess they didnt care about engine temp.
[23:24:55] <Wolf_> guess depends on the application, led fogs/headlights
[23:25:06] <bobo_> Wolf other than the price ,what was the interest in that mill . table size - dual spindle ?
[23:25:52] <Wolf_> rigidness, overall size
[23:27:04] <bobo_> kinda above the Bridgeport then
[23:28:50] <Wolf_> yeah, partly leaning towards a bridgeport type mill tho, still a toss up between solid and flexible usage
[23:32:14] <tiwake> woo, just spent $200 on anodizing stuff
[23:32:38] <bobo_> Wolf can't think of a brand of mill that is of that era that has at least a R8 or better tool holder as standerd
[23:34:48] <t12> cheap indian ebay mt5 test bar not that straight
[23:35:03] <t12> however expensive mt5 test bar is expensive
[23:36:28] <bobo_> Wolf later Kerney&T mills had 40 &50 taper , and are of similar size
[23:39:32] <Wolf_> there is a later van norman on there that should be a cat50 i think
[23:40:12] <XXCoder> cat50 wow wire tech has advanced a lot since cat5 lol
[23:40:14] <XXCoder> jk
[23:40:33] <Wolf_> 50NST is same as a cat50 tool holder right?
[23:41:32] <Wolf_> http://york.craigslist.org/tld/5258435244.html
[23:41:48] <Wolf_> but cost is a big jump from $500
[23:43:02] <bobo_> compare it to a K&T or Cinn. as to price size etc. 50nst is close enought to cat50 as i remember except drive dog size
[23:43:43] <bobo_> drive dogs can be changed
[23:47:34] <Wolf_> that is a plus
[23:49:45] <bobo_> drive dogs fit into slots at outside face of spindle, held on by a screw /dog
[23:50:09] <Wolf_> that 24MA is a even bigger machine too lol
[23:51:00] <bobo_> no problem just a bigger shop then
[23:53:40] <Wolf_> wonder how heavy that beast it
[23:53:43] <Wolf_> is*
[23:54:11] <XXCoder> bahh
[23:54:12] <XXCoder> http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/performance/Performance_LED/Performance_LED/Chandelier
[23:54:24] <XXCoder> it does not say what socket type it uses
[23:55:12] <bobo_> Wolf with your equipment --weight can not be the problem
[23:55:31] <Wolf_> not really :)
[23:57:05] <Wolf_> could be a bitch if its over 5k
[23:57:28] <Wolf_> forklift is only 5k
[23:57:34] <Wolf_> other is 3k
[23:57:43] <XXCoder> ah e12