#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-10-17

[01:56:40] <zeeshan> hi
[01:57:05] <XXCoder> hey zeeshan
[01:57:12] <XXCoder> I just designed a part lol
[01:57:21] <zeeshan> what part
[01:57:23] <XXCoder> its a looklike to part I made at work
[01:57:27] <XXCoder> just to challenge myself
[01:57:32] <XXCoder> lemme upload
[01:58:13] <XXCoder> http://picpaste.com/arrowthingy-Un5f3af6.jpg
[01:58:46] <zeeshan> cool
[01:58:47] <zeeshan> :P
[01:58:57] <XXCoder> yeah dont ask me what its for
[01:59:05] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/UTJyWQT.jpg
[01:59:07] <zeeshan> my friends tonight
[01:59:07] <zeeshan> :D
[01:59:28] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/xYQHqOW.jpg
[01:59:29] <zeeshan> yay
[01:59:38] <XXCoder> the black gloves gang
[01:59:39] <zeeshan> got space to place the car in the garage
[01:59:41] <zeeshan> when im not working
[01:59:41] <zeeshan> ;D
[01:59:48] <XXCoder> nice
[01:59:53] <zeeshan> still got a lot of cleaning up to do
[02:01:00] <XXCoder> I see you still have one of those vape thingies
[02:01:16] <zeeshan> lol
[02:01:23] <zeeshan> thats the 3d printed version
[02:01:26] <zeeshan> i should throw that garbage away
[02:01:27] <zeeshan> :P
[02:01:34] <XXCoder> ya know
[02:01:45] <XXCoder> it looks vaguely like tiolet on top lol
[02:01:52] <zeeshan> LOL
[02:01:52] <zeeshan> LOL
[02:01:56] <zeeshan> it does!
[02:02:10] <XXCoder> dammit cant get camotics to run
[02:03:12] <XXCoder> camotics: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.20' not found (required by camotics)
[02:03:25] <zeeshan> missing library :P
[02:03:31] <XXCoder> thing is
[02:03:39] <XXCoder> when I try to install it says latest is there already'
[02:04:06] <XXCoder> weird
[02:04:26] <XXCoder> when I tried again it now are installing. probably because I added one of repo
[02:04:33] <XXCoder> yep runs now
[02:04:37] <XXCoder> weird.
[02:12:56] <Deejay> moin
[02:13:04] <XXCoder> hey
[02:33:15] <ganzuul> vapes are interesting!
[02:34:22] <ganzuul> talked to a smoker yesterday, he said it's really important to feel the pack of cigs in his pocket
[02:34:47] <ganzuul> also, the fire in his lungs
[02:35:17] <ganzuul> So maybe a battery isn't the best power source.
[02:39:25] <archivist> zeeshan, you can use it to prop the roof
[02:40:53] <XXCoder> is there any good parts website
[02:40:56] <XXCoder> blueprints and such
[02:41:00] <XXCoder> so I can try make those parts
[02:41:39] <ganzuul> standard fixtures manufaczturers have cad files
[02:42:07] <XXCoder> I dont want cad files as I want to MAKE em :)
[02:42:20] <ganzuul> oicz
[02:42:23] <ganzuul> hm
[02:43:57] <archivist> cad file is the modern blueprint
[02:44:10] <ganzuul> ye
[02:44:23] <XXCoder> yeah
[02:44:55] <XXCoder> interesting http://www.jnsforum.com/community/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-2812-0-33190800-1419749587.jpg
[02:45:46] <archivist> XXCoder, many start out making some form of model like a steam engine
[02:47:09] <archivist> I should finish the kits I have started !
[02:49:28] <XXCoder> do it
[02:50:58] <archivist> some things hardly need much machining http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=pd+tinware
[02:51:22] <XXCoder> check this out
[02:51:25] <XXCoder> check this out http://picpaste.com/arrowthingy-Un5f3af6.jpg
[02:51:39] <archivist> I saw it
[02:54:00] <XXCoder> http://schools.cbe.ab.ca/b815/design/img/Lego%20Front.jpg
[02:54:13] <XXCoder> http://schools.cbe.ab.ca/b815/design/img/Lego%20Side.jpg
[02:55:09] <XXCoder> maybe too complex in some parts. like arms
[02:55:42] <maxcnc> Hi all is it posibel to load or reload a ngc by pressing a button
[02:56:23] <maxcnc> where can i find infos over postgui commands
[02:56:30] <OhmEye> for what purpose? I reopen ngc all the time
[02:57:08] <maxcnc> the pc is outside the workplace box
[02:57:42] <maxcnc> i got a realy good handheld setup and i start the mashine from inside it opens with a show file
[02:58:02] <OhmEye> ah kk. that I don't know
[02:58:19] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/axis-remote.1.html
[02:58:36] <maxcnc> as i use always the same file name export from cam into a folder inside nc_files
[02:59:20] <archivist> and also http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/21-axis/29552-reload-program-through-pin
[02:59:53] <maxcnc> thanks thats what im searching for
[03:00:49] <maxcnc> i always look at man9 pages so i coudt not find that info
[03:03:34] <archivist> maxcnc, use google, my search term was linuxcnc axis reload
[03:04:12] <maxcnc> the reload therm is the goal
[03:08:29] <Wolf_> brrr
[03:08:46] <Wolf_> damn this was a long night, did brakes on my truck...
[03:24:19] <XXCoder> fun
[03:25:22] <archivist> brakes, always a fight with tight rusty filthy uncomfortable
[03:29:55] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/TP8Jl8B.jpg
[03:30:09] <XXCoder> nice bottle!
[03:30:17] <Wolf_> worse when you need to pull axle shafts to get the rotors off
[03:31:48] <Wolf_> was looking for something for scale lol no bananas
[03:32:44] <archivist> we need a ruler to know the bottle size
[03:33:47] <Wolf_> well the rotor is 243.2mm max lol
[03:36:18] <Wolf_> what came off… http://i.imgur.com/YlolAYM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2Mjn1Mr.jpg
[03:38:41] <archivist> in a bit of a state
[03:39:38] <Wolf_> only 9000miles on the pads
[03:40:21] <archivist> cylinder seized?
[03:40:33] <Wolf_> that or the sliders
[03:43:37] <maxcnc> archivist: its not working
[03:44:00] <maxcnc> halcmd axis-remote -r N7000.ngc
[03:44:34] <maxcnc> its on mcode 180 that is execuded
[03:44:48] <maxcnc> no error
[03:45:15] <Wolf_> archivist: any idea where I can find some info on the renishaw Mi 4 interface?
[03:46:03] <archivist> Wolf_, may find some in a probe system manual where it is used
[03:47:19] <archivist> there are integrators manual that were printed to go with systems
[03:48:02] <Wolf_> hmm, I have no idea where to start looking, can’t find anything about a Mi4 anywhere
[03:49:33] <Wolf_> oh, there is mention of the Mi 12 replacing the Mi 4 and 7 ...
[03:52:51] <archivist> I got a pile of cnc manuals and there were a couple of renishaw but not what we want
[03:53:43] <archivist> but Probe systems, installation manual for machine tools, Programming manual might have info
[03:55:56] <maxcnc> i got it first axis-remote is not a halcomand ;-)
[03:56:09] <maxcnc> then it needs the full path to the file
[03:56:44] <maxcnc> but i got an error cand do that task open in manuell mode
[03:57:04] <maxcnc> i will check other modes
[04:00:32] <archivist> Wolf_, has info for the mi 12...grrr
[04:00:51] <Wolf_> yeah, I’m finding that easy lol
[04:01:36] <archivist> ooooh, manual still has the renishaw floppy :)
[04:03:55] <Wolf_> heh nice
[04:07:09] <archivist> what I currently have in physical manuals etc http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=renishaw
[04:08:54] <Wolf_> any mention of the Mi4 in any of the older books?
[04:10:02] <archivist> not seen any mention
[04:10:15] <Wolf_> how about the Mi 12?
[04:10:29] <Wolf_> might help give a idea on system age lol
[04:13:09] <archivist> mi12 is late 1990s I think
[04:13:38] <archivist> or earlier
[04:13:54] <archivist> this manual first published 1996
[04:14:13] <Wolf_> and the Mi4 predates that...
[04:14:28] <Wolf_> might explain why info on them is hard to come by
[04:17:29] <Wolf_> the way most of this probe stuff is hooked up seems unnecessarily complex just looking at the connection and not knowing whats in the interface boxes
[04:21:54] <archivist> some stuff is very old and the ebay sellers assume it still should command a high price.....
[04:22:46] <maxcnc> archivist: i got it i made another button to clear the error it works no fine without touching the PC keyboard from the CAD/CAM PC starting the mashine and working the job
[04:23:05] <maxcnc> now fine ;-)
[04:23:26] <Wolf_> I mean the way it works, was looking at the OMM connections, seems that the optical head handles most stuff internal and just spits out probe open/closed signal from the wiring
[04:23:51] <Wolf_> I’m sorta puzzled to why there is another module needed in line
[04:25:52] <archivist> I think it may be the other way round, I think the OMM is mainly the LED and opto, and the serial data if any being in the interface
[04:26:45] <archivist> with a small amount of signal conditioning in the omm, so it has differential output
[04:27:36] <Wolf_> sec, doing a RTFM
[04:28:14] <archivist> the omm fm is H-2000-5044
[04:29:07] <Wolf_> H-2000-2275 has the wiring
[04:29:22] <archivist> it also must latch the tx signals to display the status
[04:32:34] <Wolf_> oops, OMI is self contained
[04:35:02] <maxcnc> Thanks im off for a hard 60 sheed workday all 4 plasmas now on duty http://www.schwedenfeuer.de/feuersauelen.htm
[04:35:21] <maxcnc> BYE
[04:37:28] <archivist> omi is the one to get being complete
[04:38:19] <archivist> ew silly prices
[04:38:31] <Wolf_> yeah...
[04:39:17] <Wolf_> thats why I was looking for mi4 info, there is a few on eBay for cheap
[04:39:32] <Wolf_> got a bid on a OMM also
[04:42:39] <archivist> I shall just have to continue dreaming until I get rich
[04:43:30] <Wolf_> well, I’m shooting to stay under $250
[04:46:03] <archivist> I suppose I am close to that level of spending now including the cmm and 3 odd probes and a few stylii
[04:46:36] <archivist> lots still to learn about
[04:46:59] <Wolf_> lucky lol
[04:47:23] <Wolf_> I haven’t seen a probe end for any sane amount yet
[04:47:33] <Wolf_> other then the one I missed for $150
[04:48:13] <archivist> this was about £30 including post http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=probe+lvdt
[04:48:56] <archivist> cost of making an interface is silly though
[04:49:42] <archivist> too big for sensible use http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=probe+cat50
[04:49:51] <Wolf_> yeah, so I have been told :)
[04:53:06] <Wolf_> hmm crap, *checks dimensions on the MP9
[04:54:55] <Wolf_> hmm not too terrible, 4.19”/106.4mm ish
[04:55:49] <archivist> I made a new mount for the valeron probe but not finished it before I got interested in later stuff
[04:56:23] <archivist> needed to finish a new battery holder for it
[04:57:22] <archivist> looks like the front half of the mp9 is removable so you could make your own mount
[04:58:06] <Wolf_> yeah, at the worst pull the probe end off and adapt it to a wired setup
[04:59:46] <archivist> a bruiser on fleabay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Valeron-Digital-Techniques-MP-2779-Digitizing-Touch-Probe-Digitalisierender-Me-/111501584958
[05:00:05] <archivist> impossible battery in them
[05:00:24] <archivist> £90 each iirc needs 2
[05:00:33] <Wolf_> what battery?
[05:00:57] <archivist> a half C lithium iirc
[05:01:37] <Wolf_> wonder if a 18350 li-ion would work
[05:03:30] <archivist> battery has CSC 93 1/2 C marking
[05:05:50] <Wolf_> well, 18350 is 18.3mm dia x 35mm
[05:08:57] <archivist> these are 30mm high so 2 18350 wont fit in series in the holder
[05:10:18] <archivist> same problem though, no interface, so was going to wire or use the 433mhz modules one can get cheap
[05:15:25] <archivist> exceedingly cheap http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5X-New-433Mhz-RF-Transmitter-Module-And-Receiver-Link-Kit-For-Arduino-ARM-MCU-WL-/400676807597
[05:16:00] <Wolf_> yeah, some of that stuff is
[05:16:19] <archivist> I got a pair to play with
[05:16:26] <Wolf_> I use ~1w 433 hopeRF modules for RC things
[05:16:45] <Wolf_> I think they are around $6-8 each
[05:19:02] <archivist> as for wired, the real thing when wired includes a spindle disable command :)
[05:24:52] <Wolf_> if I do wired I’ll make a magnetic plug :D
[05:49:24] <Sync_> hmm, aww
[05:49:32] <Sync_> the wzl guy left
[05:50:15] <XXCoder> silly one https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QWa6QyTnVjE/UveJx12YRqI/AAAAAAAAXtI/Il_HoiGskDc/s1600/road.jpg
[07:22:59] <JT-Tn> Morning
[08:13:19] <wzl> hi again
[08:19:22] <Tom_itx> Wolf_, you waited a bit long on your brakes ehh?
[08:20:04] <Tom_itx> morning JT-Tn
[08:20:28] <archivist> arn't you supposed to wait for the grinding noise+a few months?
[08:20:47] <Tom_itx> i waited 2-3 years
[08:21:00] <Tom_itx> but it wasn't grinding..
[08:21:16] <Tom_itx> glazed them going thru the smokey mountains
[08:21:26] <Tom_itx> pulsed rather annoyingly
[08:33:29] <Tom_itx> Wolf_, what's the mi8-4?
[08:33:50] <Tom_itx> and what are you looking for on it?
[08:35:51] <Tom_itx> http://www.renishaw.com/mtpsupport/en/mi-8-mi-8-4--14975
[08:36:27] <Tom_itx> http://www.renishaw.com/mtpsupport/en/legacy-interface--32454
[08:38:24] <Tom_itx> mi 12 data sheet is there
[08:45:56] <Tom_itx> http://resources.renishaw.com/gen/details/installation-and-users-guide-mi-12-interface-unit--19301
[09:19:21] <PetefromTn_> mornin' folks ;)
[09:28:03] <archivist> Tom_itx, we know about the mi12 its the earlier ones it replaced that are sensible priced
[09:28:51] <PetefromTn_> well supposed to be meeting the world famous JT-Shop here in maryville this morning! :D
[09:30:47] <archivist> he is called JT-Tn today :)
[09:31:05] <archivist> must be nearby
[09:34:04] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[09:35:21] <archivist> look in the local swamps and beer caves
[09:35:52] <PetefromTn_> hehe I know right
[10:03:19] <renesis> nom, beer cave
[10:06:16] <zeeshan> howdy
[10:09:06] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: nice
[10:09:07] <zeeshan> where you guys going
[10:09:58] <PetefromTn_> oh we are just gonna meet for a soda or something have not heard from him yet tho
[10:10:18] <PetefromTn_> he was having breakfast up in Pigeon forge earlier when he last texted me
[10:10:52] <zeeshan> :D
[10:11:12] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/UTJyWQT.jpg
[10:11:19] <zeeshan> my friends were a super help last night
[10:11:29] <zeeshan> we got the motor and transmission back on
[10:11:34] <zeeshan> and moved the lathe into its resting position
[10:11:35] <zeeshan> www.ebay.ca
[10:11:36] <zeeshan> er
[10:11:46] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/xYQHqOW.jpg
[10:12:36] <PetefromTn_> nice man...just got a text heading out to meet him now.
[10:12:38] <PetefromTn_> bbl
[10:12:43] <zeeshan> nice!
[10:12:45] <zeeshan> have fun
[10:12:58] <PetefromTn_> willdo
[10:23:56] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, good stuff..
[10:24:21] <zeeshan> :D
[10:24:40] <zeeshan> i gotta clean up all the stuff scattered everywhere today
[10:26:27] <Tom_itx> beer cans?
[10:26:37] <zeeshan> no
[10:26:41] <zeeshan> theres a lot of things for the machine
[10:26:46] <zeeshan> and general stuff in the garage scattered all around
[10:26:50] <zeeshan> for the purposes of moving
[10:26:50] <Tom_itx> you made them work for free??
[10:26:55] <zeeshan> nahh
[10:26:58] <zeeshan> i bought em all dinner :)
[10:27:08] <Tom_itx> oh hell... shoulda called
[10:27:30] <zeeshan> this is the first time i could say this
[10:27:33] <zeeshan> that i couldn't have done it without em
[10:27:43] <zeeshan> i was royally screwed for the last couple days
[10:28:17] <archivist> did you get skates as well?
[10:28:28] <zeeshan> i had the skates
[10:28:34] <zeeshan> but we broke the bearings off 2 of them
[10:28:40] <zeeshan> 2 of the bearings on one of them i mean
[10:28:45] <zeeshan> cause my friend dropped the lathe too fast
[10:29:04] <archivist> is rather a heavy lump
[10:29:06] <zeeshan> i need to double up all the bearings on the skates
[10:29:26] <zeeshan> i dont get why its so heavy
[10:29:31] <zeeshan> the manual says 9500-10500
[10:29:46] <zeeshan> but the truck that brought it here had to weigh itself caus ehe had a forklift etc on there
[10:29:50] <zeeshan> and he measured 13500lb
[10:30:07] <zeeshan> theres 3000lb coming from somewhere that i havent accounted for.. and idont know where?
[10:30:22] <zeeshan> theres tool holders in the turrett..
[10:30:33] <zeeshan> but thats only 150lb
[10:30:34] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: smuggled enriched uranium.
[10:30:42] <zeeshan> theres also a chuck on there, that's prolly 120lb
[10:30:49] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: lol
[10:32:38] <archivist> coolant still full?
[10:33:13] <zeeshan> i never got the coolant thing
[10:33:19] <zeeshan> this is withought the conveyor and coolant thing
[10:35:47] <archivist> other lube for bearings tank, and is the original stated weight nude no case,dry etc
[10:36:29] <zeeshan> i think that has to be it
[10:36:34] <zeeshan> it was just the base weight with no control
[10:36:38] <zeeshan> then i can believe that
[10:37:12] * zeeshan goes and inspects concrete base :P
[10:37:19] <SpeedEvil> :)
[10:37:30] <Tom_itx> sinkhole?
[10:37:41] <archivist> are cracks appearing :)
[10:37:41] <SpeedEvil> I'm reminded of the 'steel toecaps' discussion of a month or so ago.
[10:42:03] <zeeshan> its just the old cracks
[10:42:16] <zeeshan> it seems okay
[10:42:30] <zeeshan> it'll settle over the next couple of weeks
[10:42:47] <archivist> put a level on the mikron see if it has started tilting
[10:42:49] <zeeshan> its getting really cold out here, so it might actually rise
[10:43:37] <zeeshan> so one thing i learned from this experience is
[10:43:45] <zeeshan> it's not the actual machine that was the issue in weight
[10:43:55] <zeeshan> it was when you combined the weight of the machine + the forklift
[10:44:06] <zeeshan> that's when stuff like my asphalt gave in
[10:44:09] <archivist> forkin ell
[10:44:15] <zeeshan> in the place where they temporarily stored the machine on the driveway
[10:44:18] <zeeshan> you cant even tell it was sitting there
[10:44:25] <zeeshan> but i can see where the tracks of the forklift were
[10:44:48] <archivist> load per sq ft
[10:44:51] <SpeedEvil> yeah - well - fork lift puts all the load on four wheels
[10:44:58] <SpeedEvil> well, probably really two.
[10:45:04] <SpeedEvil> Plus the weight of the lift
[10:45:16] <zeeshan> also, never use a solid tire forklift to move stuff onto your driveway
[10:45:22] <zeeshan> itll do way more damage than pneumatic tires
[10:45:30] <zeeshan> cause the load is a lot more concentrated
[10:45:36] <archivist> having driven a fork lift when you lose grip on the rear :) interesting
[10:45:42] <zeeshan> hah
[10:45:58] <zeeshan> yea i agree SpeedEvil most weight is on the front 2
[10:46:01] <SpeedEvil> And yes - actually two is bad - but it's probably mostly
[10:46:46] <archivist> we were unloading at the forkin machines limit one day, fun
[10:47:11] <SpeedEvil> Especially if that limit was 10000lb
[10:48:17] <archivist> nah was a light weight 2 ton, with two ton boxes of potatoes
[10:48:33] <SpeedEvil> http://pre07.deviantart.net/fc30/th/pre/i/2012/178/a/8/baba_yaga_by_nerokuro-d550zcb.jpg
[10:48:46] * SpeedEvil imagines a legged lift platform.
[12:40:47] <Wolf_> Tom_itx: 9k on them pads, and its the Mi4 I can’t find info on
[14:37:47] <Jymmm> Man, it take some getting used to a wood stove =)
[14:38:12] <SpeedEvil> I made a woodstove once.
[14:38:21] <PetefromTn_> I love wood stoves
[14:38:22] <SpeedEvil> Turns out that the name is misleading, and it shouldn't be made of wood.
[14:38:34] <PetefromTn_> wish I could put one here in my house but is sorta impossible
[14:38:36] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Don't ya hate when that happens
[14:38:58] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: why?
[14:39:20] <PetefromTn_> the layout of my house and the roofline makes it that way
[14:39:31] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: taller chimney?
[14:39:51] <PetefromTn_> here in tennessee and basically most places as I understand it need the chimney to reach above the top of the roofline
[14:40:07] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: 12 to 24" higher
[14:40:25] <Jymmm> it's so the wind cna carry the exhaust away
[14:40:42] <PetefromTn_> I would want it in my den really and while that side of the house is open the roof is 2 stories above that and our home has steep roof pitch
[14:41:01] <Jymmm> side wall venting
[14:41:04] <PetefromTn_> so the chimney would have to be rather elaborate
[14:41:09] <PetefromTn_> and Really tall
[14:41:11] <Jymmm> yeah, I get it
[14:41:22] <Jymmm> most are
[14:41:25] <PetefromTn_> not impossible but pretty expensive
[14:41:34] <Jymmm> but at least you wouldn't have to built it with brick
[14:41:46] * SpeedEvil ponders cooling the chimney all the way to ~ambient.
[14:41:53] <PetefromTn_> I did not look into materials options really
[14:42:05] <Jymmm> 6" dbl wall stove pipe?
[14:42:12] <PetefromTn_> my house is not big really
[14:42:22] <PetefromTn_> but it is a 2 story cape cod
[14:42:28] <PetefromTn_> and the roof is really high
[14:42:29] <Jymmm> sq ft?
[14:42:38] <PetefromTn_> its only like 1400 actually
[14:42:44] <SpeedEvil> I am now imagining feeding the flue gas through a bed of aluminium oxide balls, which are cycled from ambient air, into the chimney, and then into the firebox
[14:42:56] <PetefromTn_> I don't even hang lights up there at christmas it is so damn high LOL
[14:43:08] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: what are the balls for?
[14:43:21] <PetefromTn_> I could maybe do it from the second floor but that is all bedrooms
[14:43:23] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: The flue gasses condense on them and they provide the heat exchange
[14:43:54] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: but wood gas is 60% more heat than the wood itself
[14:44:06] <PetefromTn_> the house across the cul de sac from me put one in the front room and went right up thru the roof in the shallow portion
[14:44:16] <PetefromTn_> that is an option here but it looks like azz
[14:44:25] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: By flue gasses, I mean creosotes and stuff that falls out when you get to ~100C flue temperature.
[14:45:03] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Wouldn't it be better not to generate creosote instead?
[14:45:27] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: I'm assuming the burning cannot be made 100% clean.
[14:45:43] <SpeedEvil> And that a simple heat exchanger can't be used to take it to 100C.
[14:46:29] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: These EPA stoves pipes that when brought up to temp kick in the secondaries (air pipes)
[14:47:13] <SpeedEvil> I haven't investegated modern stoves, and am not aware of the EPA regs
[14:47:39] <Jymmm> at least that's how I understand them to operate; basically burning the wood gases
[14:47:44] <PetefromTn_> we had a nice wood stove I put in the cabin we lived in when we first moved to tennessee....
[14:47:50] <PetefromTn_> that thing was great....
[14:48:17] <PetefromTn_> it took a little while to figure out how to use it because if you put too much wood in it you would be cooking in the house LOL
[14:48:43] <PetefromTn_> a single nice thick log would burn nice thru the night with some smaller pieces
[14:48:59] <PetefromTn_> any more than that and you were turning on fans and opening windows LOL
[14:50:05] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UirQjU3kgk
[14:53:23] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: It's getting used to the damper (how much and when to close it) and feeding it.
[14:54:12] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: ah.
[14:54:13] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I waited too long to feed it, so had to add some kindling to bring up the temp a bit.
[14:54:24] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: make better sense now?
[14:54:32] <PetefromTn_> yeah we played with it for awhile until we really got the hang of it.
[14:54:41] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: =)
[14:54:44] <PetefromTn_> its more about how much you put in it than anything else
[14:55:00] <PetefromTn_> even if you choke it off the heat is still emenating from it
[14:55:23] <PetefromTn_> we lived in that house for several years and really enjoyed it.
[14:55:23] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Well, you can load it up full, but need to control the damper properly tfor amount of burnage after that.
[14:55:32] <PetefromTn_> its also cool to roast marshmallows in your house LOL
[14:55:39] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: I was assuming that you never got all of the nasties out, so couldn't use a noninsulated flue, and cool it all the way to under 100C
[14:56:02] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: That was my mistake, I choked it off and filled the house with the smoldering smell. I should have just let it burn out hot instead.
[14:56:34] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Yeah, they are totally different now
[14:57:02] <SpeedEvil> - cooling to under 100C for thermal efficiency reasons
[14:57:38] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Basically now slowing the exhaust, hotter firebox, then the wood gasses get burned, which is 60% of the fuel
[14:58:06] <SpeedEvil> yes, I had a stove ~1980 which did that
[14:58:18] <Jymmm> ah
[14:58:28] <SpeedEvil> But it still required an insulated chimney, as the gasses going out were very hot.
[14:59:10] <Jymmm> This is just dbl walled
[15:00:21] <SpeedEvil> By very hot, I mean >>100C - so that a large fraction (admittedly not as large as with 'traditional' stoves) of the heat leaves
[15:00:42] <Jymmm> Let me get my gun and find out =)
[15:09:09] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Ok, at the top of the chimney (ceiling) it's 55c/130F
[15:09:24] <SpeedEvil> Is that the chumney temp, or is that teh gas temp?
[15:09:40] <Jymmm> IR Gun pointing at chimney
[15:09:52] <Jymmm> 6" dbl wall stove pipe
[15:09:54] <SpeedEvil> What's ambient?
[15:10:00] <Jymmm> 60F
[15:10:09] <Jymmm> outside
[15:10:16] <SpeedEvil> So, likely >100C output.
[15:10:33] <Jymmm> 300F on top of the stove
[15:11:32] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: about 157c
[15:11:59] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: pointing at the glass, about 343F/173c
[15:12:21] <Jymmm> damper about half way closed
[15:12:59] <Jymmm> just a hint of smoke out the top of the chimney, if I open the dmaper more, there will be zero smoke
[15:13:17] <Jymmm> but I'm trying too slow the burn a bit now
[15:13:50] <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
[15:14:06] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: It's all about the fire triangle
[15:14:18] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[15:15:14] <Jymmm> controlling the air intake, controls the combustion. So I can load up the firebox in the evening and have it burn all night long without having to REloaded it up in the middle of the night.
[15:15:51] <Jymmm> hearth.com has a nice forum
[15:16:12] <Jymmm> LOTS to still learn =)
[15:18:31] <_methods> pellet stove?
[15:18:34] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: These EPA stove have a ceramic fiberboard baffle just above the air pipes. It's FRAGILE AS ALL HELL!!! so be careful not to hit it with anything, especially when loading the firebox =)
[15:18:43] <Jymmm> _methods: No, logs
[15:18:53] <_methods> just a regular stove?
[15:19:08] <_methods> or is this some sort of Jymmm insano stove
[15:19:11] <Jymmm> _methods: IT's funny, if we had a pellet instead of wood stove, our insurance would have been HIGHER
[15:19:40] <_methods> we had a pellet stove when i was a kid i hated that thing
[15:19:49] <Jymmm> _methods: This is the EXACT stove I have http://www.homedepot.com/p/US-Stove-2-000-sq-ft-EPA-Certified-Wood-Burning-Stove-2000/202815104
[15:20:31] <Jymmm> There are/were some that have a cataletic converter in them, and it had to be replaced ocationally, I guess ppl avoid those now.
[15:20:34] <_methods> ah nice
[15:20:55] <Jymmm> the cat had to be replaced as regular maintance, but not cheap
[15:21:11] <_methods> every once in awhile the pellets would run out and the whole house would fill with smoke
[15:21:16] <_methods> that was always nice
[15:21:52] <Jymmm> US SToves wanted $80 for the replacement baffle for mine, screw that! I had some perlie already and just got some furnace cement and repaired the hole
[15:22:09] <Jymmm> _methods: Hmmm, maybe that s why the insurance is more
[15:41:43] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I took some video for you. Give me a while to download it, then reupload it to the interwebs =)
[15:42:09] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: A few gig takes a while to process =)
[15:42:20] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:42:26] <SpeedEvil> I have been picking apples.
[15:42:30] <SpeedEvil> (yes, it's 9PM)
[15:42:34] <SpeedEvil> I have a volunteer tree from one of my apple seeds.
[15:42:38] <Jymmm> on the ground?
[15:42:53] <Jymmm> nice
[15:42:54] <SpeedEvil> It seeded on the path outside my house - Probably birds - that is now 3m tall, and is making ~10kg/year
[15:43:17] <Jymmm> very cool, bird poop planted ?
[15:43:34] <SpeedEvil> yes
[15:43:38] <Jymmm> so pre fertilized at the same time =)
[15:43:46] <SpeedEvil> Very oddly it produces a nice apple.
[15:43:57] <SpeedEvil> Which is unusual for non clonally produced apples.
[15:44:13] <Jymmm> Well, most dont realize that birds acocunt for a LOT of plant migration
[15:44:46] <SpeedEvil> yes - the fact it came up doesn't surprise me at all.
[15:45:14] <Jymmm> 1,5GB downloaded, now to process =( such a PITA
[16:16:47] <Deejay> gn8
[16:28:10] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, you need heaters in califor n i a?
[16:28:59] <SpeedEvil> California varies quite a lot
[16:29:25] <Tom_itx> i was thinking he was in so cal
[16:29:28] <Tom_itx> maybe not
[16:45:39] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Many many many many moons ago I was in SoCal, which can vary from city, to low desert, to high desert, to forest. I was in SF Bay Area for number of years, still can get in high 30's. Recently moved to NorCal which is where I'm at now.
[16:46:00] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: A slow burn... http://imgur.com/bkkCial
[16:46:12] <Tom_itx> lots of rain?
[16:46:16] <Tom_itx> like Wa?
[16:46:26] <pcw_home> We normally turn our furnace on from about December to March
[16:46:34] <pcw_home> (SFBA)
[16:46:54] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Ntothing like WA, we are in a drought
[16:47:15] <pcw_home> Yeah bone dry here
[16:47:21] <Tom_itx> mmm
[16:47:23] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: But it can get snow, maybe 12" on avg, years ago would get 36"
[16:47:38] <Tom_itx> surprised you can burn wood with all the fires you get EVERY year there
[16:47:42] <Tom_itx> over the mountains?
[16:47:56] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: In the mountains/forest 2800ft
[16:48:07] <Tom_itx> got the light
[16:48:26] <Jymmm> *I* do, others/neightbors not so much =)
[16:49:00] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Exhaust from that slow burn, no smoke... http://imgur.com/8jyHc6i
[16:51:00] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[16:51:15] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: (not sure if you saw t 1st one or not
[16:51:16] <Jymmm> )
[16:51:26] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, I have router issues.
[16:51:39] <SpeedEvil> I have another router, but I need to find a spare couple of hours to set it up
[16:51:57] <Tom_itx> imagine a stove exaust that looks clean
[16:52:25] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Slow burn: http://imgur.com/bkkCial - SLow Burn Exhaust (no smoke) http://imgur.com/8jyHc6i
[16:53:13] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, how is it on startup?
[16:53:20] <Tom_itx> smell up the house?
[16:53:27] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: a PITA =) lol
[16:53:45] <PetefromTn_> Bay area can get downright chilly
[16:53:59] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, how was 'coffee' ?
[16:54:08] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: You have to light newspaper to get an "updraft" up the stovepipe/chimney, then
[16:54:16] <PetefromTn_> you mean meeting jt?
[16:54:23] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[16:54:33] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: get a HOT fire going to get the firebox hot, then
[16:55:21] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: You can start to manage the damper to get the right burn. But nothing long term happens till the firbox gets up to proper tmep
[16:55:34] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, i'd think the light would be smart enough to remember it's mode on startup
[16:55:52] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Only in my wet dreams
[16:55:53] <PetefromTn_> well he was all excited about riding the cherohala skyway so our meeting was just a few minutes discussing the ride and local attractions in a gas station parking lot LOL
[16:56:20] <Tom_itx> ahh
[16:57:13] <PetefromTn_> he seemed nice for the couple minutes we spoke hehe
[16:57:24] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: It's raining and 60F outside, since this is only fire #2 for me, thought I'd start practicing what I've learned about it thus far. MUCh different thatn a campfire (easy), as you are indoors and we have birds, so exhaust/fumes/smoke are an issue.
[16:57:45] <Tom_itx> what type of wood are you burning?
[16:58:00] <Tom_itx> nice pine with lots of tar?
[16:58:02] <Tom_itx> :)
[16:58:34] <Tom_itx> yeah if the birds drop you know it's time to get out
[16:58:40] <Tom_itx> coal mine trick..
[16:58:45] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Trying some bio-bricks that came with the place, but have a couple of cords in the back of oak/cedar/pine for this season. Will try to get some almond come summer.
[16:59:04] <Tom_itx> you want harder woods
[16:59:11] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Yep, exactly. Very sensative respritor systems
[16:59:16] <Tom_itx> pine / cedar will go off like a bomb
[16:59:35] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Almond is twice the weight of oak seasond
[16:59:56] <Jymmm> Very fast burning I know (pine/cedar/birch)
[17:00:10] <Tom_itx> hedgewood is hard but you probably don't have it there
[17:00:12] <Tom_itx> pops alot
[17:00:24] <Tom_itx> it's yellow
[17:00:42] <Jymmm> No, mostly oak is what I see being sold on the hwy
[17:01:08] <Tom_itx> https://zibbet.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/photo/file/6158570/6158570-original.jpg
[17:01:10] <Jymmm> I saw someone selling 2+ cords of oak for $500 =)
[17:01:16] <Tom_itx> crap
[17:01:17] <PetefromTn_> ya know what the worst part about buying a nice brand new over the range microwave?
[17:01:32] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: that's purttty
[17:01:32] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: the shitty controls.
[17:01:38] <PetefromTn_> nop
[17:01:40] <PetefromTn_> nope
[17:01:52] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: looks like a paw print =)
[17:01:59] <PetefromTn_> it's finding a way to get rid of the OLD pos microwave LOL
[17:02:25] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: dead microwave == New spot welder
[17:02:26] <Tom_itx> the hedgetree 'fruit': http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/111796676919?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82
[17:03:14] <PetefromTn_> I'll trade you this microwave for a spotwelder yeah ;)
[17:03:28] <Jymmm> intersting that it's a spider repelant, I just bought some sage for mosquito/spier repelant
[17:03:38] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: MAKE one form the dead microwave
[17:03:40] <Tom_itx> it works
[17:03:41] <Jymmm> from*
[17:03:56] <Tom_itx> just set a few around the house
[17:04:06] <Tom_itx> in the crawl space etc
[17:04:24] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: how long do they last?
[17:04:29] <Tom_itx> long time
[17:04:42] <Jymmm> weeks? months? years?
[17:04:46] <Tom_itx> months?
[17:04:56] <Jymmm> then dry up?
[17:05:00] <Tom_itx> i suppose yes
[17:05:19] <Tom_itx> you can just pick em up off the ground here just about anywhere in the country
[17:05:23] <Jymmm> is there seeds insdie?
[17:05:38] <Jymmm> inside*
[17:05:39] <Tom_itx> they used them for windbreaks after the dustbowl of the 30's
[17:05:47] <Tom_itx> not sure
[17:05:57] <Tom_itx> probably, it's not really hollow
[17:06:18] <Jymmm> well, usually "fruit" contian seeds is why I asked
[17:06:21] <Tom_itx> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wCq12CgqtlI/Ujx5eaY61vI/AAAAAAAAGyQ/Y5cAc0Nus8Q/s1600/hedge-apple-2.jpg
[17:06:36] <Jymmm> Yep, them be seeds alright
[17:06:50] <Jymmm> and sap I see.
[17:07:22] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: are they an obnoxious tree/plant?
[17:07:29] <Tom_itx> no
[17:07:56] <Tom_itx> they were purposely planted after the dust bowl
[17:08:01] <Tom_itx> along fencelines
[17:08:02] <Jymmm> Ok, I'll have to see if I can get soem seeds and get some sapplings started
[17:08:08] <Tom_itx> usually mile markers
[17:08:27] <Tom_itx> come by and you can get a truckload of em free
[17:08:39] <Jymmm> woo hoo!
[17:08:54] <Tom_itx> they're just laying along the side of the roads
[17:09:41] <Jymmm> wholy cow http://www.vacationlovers.net/washington_dc/washington_dc_074_hedge_apple_fruit_big.jpg
[17:10:18] <Tom_itx> yeah that's about average
[17:10:26] <Jymmm> edible?
[17:10:32] <Tom_itx> oh hell no
[17:10:37] <Jymmm> k
[17:10:49] <Tom_itx> i've seen squirrels eat em though
[17:11:35] <Jymmm> I got a spot in the back to plant a tree or two
[17:12:12] <Tom_itx> they must be a hearty tree or they wouldn't have planted them here way back when...
[17:12:35] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Do they produce "fruit" when in the 4-6ft range?
[17:12:41] <Tom_itx> no idea
[17:12:47] <Tom_itx> i would suppose so
[17:13:25] <Jymmm> I'll have to read up on them, thanks =)
[17:13:52] <Tom_itx> iirc the wood was used for wagon wheel hubs
[17:14:18] <Jymmm> Ah, yeah, a nice hardwood would come in handy for that.
[17:15:03] <Tom_itx> http://www.ipm.iastate.edu/ipm/hortnews/1997/10-10-1997/hedgeapple.html
[17:17:32] <Tom_itx> The use of the hedge apples for insect control is one of the most enduring pest management home remedies. Placement of hedge apples around the foundation or inside the basement is claimed to provide relief from cockroaches, spiders, boxelder bugs, crickets and other pests.
[17:25:48] <Tom_itx> last paragraph indicates you may not want to eat them
[17:28:09] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: EXCELLENT, hopefully beetles are on that list as well.
[17:30:24] <renesis> http://i.imgur.com/M7p3MOz.png
[17:30:29] <renesis> spring models = drama
[17:30:59] <aventtini6> this guys are running mesa card http://www.tormach.com/pathpilot.html
[17:31:00] <aventtini6> ?
[17:31:12] <Connor> aventtini6: They are now.
[17:32:06] <aventtini6> hmm only a 5i25
[17:32:22] <Connor> I think they have they're own breakout board
[17:32:23] <Tom_itx> and their proprietary daughter card
[17:32:31] <aventtini6> they give up on mach
[17:32:33] <aventtini6> :)))
[17:32:43] <aventtini6> dnot think so
[17:32:44] <Connor> aventtini6: About time if you ask me. :)
[17:32:44] <Tom_itx> us?
[17:32:50] <Tom_itx> i'm not part of us there
[17:33:15] <Connor> aventtini6: don't think so what ?
[17:33:31] <aventtini6> aaa douther card
[17:33:38] <aventtini6> i say
[17:33:44] <Tom_itx> sounds like he'd rather pay for buggy software
[17:33:59] <aventtini6> if they use a 5i55 that they use step dir
[17:34:06] <aventtini6> me
[17:34:11] <aventtini6> hell no
[17:34:13] <aventtini6> :))
[17:34:40] <Connor> 5i25 can do more than step/dir with the proper daughter card..
[17:34:47] <Connor> but, that's all they need.. because they're stepper based.
[17:35:20] <aventtini6> but if this guys make some wizards for tool change and some diffrent configurations , someof the user will give up on linuxcnc
[17:35:42] <Connor> nah.
[17:35:50] <Connor> Seeing as PP is based on Linuxcnc..
[17:36:09] <Connor> those things will make it back in at some point.
[17:36:25] <aventtini6> it takes time
[17:36:30] <aventtini6> to evolve
[17:36:39] <aventtini6> like linuxcnc
[17:36:48] <Connor> PP is nothing more than linuxcnc with a different gui.
[17:36:55] <aventtini6> they give up on mach3 because of the support
[17:37:00] <Tom_itx> at least with linuxcnc the hardware pretty much stays up with the software and vise versa
[17:37:58] <aventtini6> for me some time is hard to solve some comp
[17:38:03] <aventtini6> but it takes time
[17:38:25] <aventtini6> some futures from mach3 will bee dam good some times
[17:38:48] <aventtini6> in minimum 4 years linuxcnc will be a profesional system
[17:39:05] <aventtini6> i mean on the servo side
[17:39:15] <aventtini6> like vmc rettrofit
[18:45:20] <MacGalempsy> hello
[18:45:41] <SpeedEvil> hello
[18:46:16] <PetefromTn_> alo
[19:00:48] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: making anything cool today?
[19:01:48] <PetefromTn_> well depends on your definition of cool LOL
[19:02:10] <PetefromTn_> right now I am working on a protoype mazda RX7 turbo exhaust manifold flange
[19:02:29] <PetefromTn_> been working on the design for awhile now but just got the tooling here to get started
[19:02:39] <PetefromTn_> got my new facemill arbor
[19:03:02] <PetefromTn_> installed the maritool facemill on it and installed the new carbide steel specific inserts today
[19:03:05] <MacGalempsy> that sounds pretty excinting
[19:03:15] <PetefromTn_> its a neat project
[19:03:48] <PetefromTn_> should be reasonably profitable and I will be tig welding the resulting manifolds at work afterwards LOL
[19:04:11] <PetefromTn_> I have to make several 3 rotor flanges as well.
[19:04:17] <MacGalempsy> PROFIT IS ALWAYS GOOD (well unless you dont figure in an hourly rate)
[19:04:38] <PetefromTn_> gotta figure in everything man
[19:04:39] <MacGalempsy> got my spindle going
[19:04:53] <PetefromTn_> already got a big stick of 1/2x6 steel bar here
[19:05:07] <PetefromTn_> working on the first prototype machining right now
[19:05:14] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah thats great man
[19:05:25] <MacGalempsy> crazy part is this. tell the VFD 250, FBRPM = 250, but when I use the laser it reads 375 at the spindle
[19:05:44] <PetefromTn_> thats just settings then
[19:06:03] <MacGalempsy> you know what setting that may be?
[19:06:27] <PetefromTn_> I am not familiar with what vfd you have
[19:06:51] <PetefromTn_> there are scaling settings in lunuxCNC
[19:07:00] <MacGalempsy> i meant if there is a LCNC approach.
[19:07:13] <PetefromTn_> I would have to look into it again I don't recall what they are
[19:07:28] <MacGalempsy> ok. I just recall the scaling has to do with the encoder
[19:07:39] <PetefromTn_> we have been paining the living room today too so its kinda crazy here right now
[19:07:41] <MacGalempsy> maybe I should use a 1.5 factor and see what happens
[19:07:59] <PetefromTn_> its just in your spindle settings in linuxCNC as I recall
[19:08:08] <PetefromTn_> like tuning an axis settingds
[19:08:52] <PetefromTn_> my wife is making her world famous Crock Pot marinated chicken chimichanga's and it smells AWESOME LOL
[19:10:06] <MacGalempsy> southern wives are the best
[19:10:13] <MacGalempsy> mine made chicken tortilla soup
[19:11:04] <PetefromTn_> well she's not southern LOL and if you said that to her you'd probably have a fight on your hands hehe
[19:11:10] <PetefromTn_> she from Norcal
[19:11:15] <PetefromTn_> she's
[19:11:35] <MacGalempsy> hahah, I grew up in Norcal, I completely understand that!
[19:11:58] <MacGalempsy> ok the fix was easy, divide the encoder scale by 1.5 and its reading correct now
[19:12:22] <PetefromTn_> make sure it reads correct at many different speeds
[19:12:39] <MacGalempsy> good call
[19:14:24] <MacGalempsy> cool thing is now instead of thinking it is 0-5000, it is actually 0-7500
[19:14:39] <PetefromTn_> nice
[19:21:50] <Thomaxo__> Hi there!
[19:22:12] <Thomaxo__> anyone active and does anyone have experience with drag knives? :)
[20:37:46] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: The end of that article says it's just a myth (spider deterant)
[20:49:04] <pcw_home> and a myth is as good as a mile
[20:55:36] <Thomaxo__> here's the dragknife toolpath i've managed to generate https://www.dropbox.com/s/ept8e2dph5twjz8/Screenshot%202015-10-18%2003.31.28.png?dl=0
[20:55:47] <Thomaxo__> what do you think?
[21:03:42] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LFPSd_KH8A
[21:04:28] * SpeedEvil is mostly asleep
[21:16:39] <CP-KG7AMV> Ahhh good good gun show this weekend one more day.
[21:52:04] <fenn> Thomaxo__: how did you generate that toolpath?
[21:52:34] <Thomaxo__> if you're interested i guess it's good? :)
[21:53:05] <fenn> my roomate is interested in cutting cardboard with drag knives
[21:53:10] <Thomaxo__> i see
[21:53:15] <Thomaxo__> our interest align
[21:53:21] <Thomaxo__> is he an architecture student?
[21:53:24] <fenn> no
[21:53:36] <Thomaxo__> ah well, you guys use rhino?
[21:53:41] <fenn> wants to make furniture out of cardboard
[21:54:08] <fenn> i am also interested in cutting corrugated plastic to make a catmaran
[21:54:19] <fenn> but that doesn't really require any dragging
[21:56:20] <Thomaxo__> i posted it here http://discourse.mcneel.com/t/drag-knife-toolpath-generation/25779/4
[21:56:46] <Thomaxo__> its not exactly a toolpath but you could export it to dxf and such
[21:58:29] <Thomaxo__> its a monologue, i know :P
[21:59:18] <fenn> instead of an IF statement you could just put a tiny radius at each corner
[21:59:33] <Thomaxo__> yep
[21:59:40] <Thomaxo__> done that in the last reply to myself
[21:59:42] <Thomaxo__> heheh :D
[22:00:32] <Thomaxo__> still generates a mess of data though
[22:00:36] <fenn> the diagrams themselves look pretty cool
[22:01:09] <fenn> so, does it work?
[22:01:13] <Thomaxo__> not sure
[22:01:22] <Thomaxo__> i kinda completed it an hour ago
[22:01:32] <Thomaxo__> i'll try tomorrow
[22:01:43] <Thomaxo__> but, in theory, it should work
[22:02:11] <Thomaxo__> all that's left to do is to lift the toolpath a little bit (where the circlesegments are)
[22:02:28] <Thomaxo__> and to clean up the mess of data
[22:03:04] <Thomaxo__> if tangent previous point == tangent current point then remove previous point, something like that
[22:03:26] <Thomaxo__> not sure if it works on windows, but it should
[22:04:17] <Wolf_Mill> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271974407226 looks like a winner for a spindle light
[22:05:13] <fenn> yellow and blue for that special shine
[22:05:38] <Wolf_Mill> its cold white light output
[22:05:46] <fenn> no imagination
[22:05:46] <Wolf_Mill> have them on the desk here
[22:05:47] <jdh> I bought one of those 2 or 3 years ago and it's been sitting here ever since.
[22:06:34] <fenn> since they come in various sizes you can stack them concentrically for differet color balance
[22:07:13] <Wolf_Mill> hmm i didnt think of that
[22:07:31] <fenn> no red though
[22:07:34] <Wolf_Mill> i did get a few sizes to nest up
[22:24:40] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, could be but i've found it works on some things
[22:25:03] <Jymmm> spiders?
[22:26:46] <Tom_itx> well, that and crickets etc
[22:26:55] <Jymmm> nice
[22:27:01] <Jymmm> black widows?
[22:27:05] <Tom_itx> dunno
[22:27:14] <Jymmm> lol, gee thanks =)
[22:27:18] <Tom_itx> we mostly have brown recluse around here
[22:27:25] <Jymmm> ah ok
[22:27:32] <Tom_itx> not too many black widows
[22:28:05] <Tom_itx> get a few hedge apples and test it before you decide to grow a whole orchard full
[22:28:22] <Jymmm> true
[22:28:41] <Tom_itx> the trees probably aren't that costly though
[22:30:07] <Wolf_Mill> love ebay sellers some times, order 10 bearings, 1st in the sleeve is correct (5mmx16x5) other 9 are 4mm bore
[22:33:37] <Wolf_Mill> least they were quick to reply
[22:40:17] <Wolf_Mill> shiny.. http://i.imgur.com/ZvN0qkt.jpg
[22:41:13] <Tom_itx> new ring light?
[22:41:32] <Wolf_Mill> yup, $11 for 2
[22:41:40] <Tom_itx> led?
[22:41:46] <Wolf_Mill> cob led
[22:41:49] <Tom_itx> put a shroud around it
[22:42:12] <fenn> use a stove burner grease catcher as parabolic reflector
[22:42:14] <Tom_itx> i made one for my scope
[22:42:30] <Tom_itx> with a pot for brightness
[22:44:10] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, I'll probably do a shroud the lazy way, 3d print one
[22:45:10] <Wolf_Mill> local auction scores were good today for shop stuff http://i.imgur.com/NAFbTHP.jpg
[22:46:22] <Wolf_Mill> 1 ton electric chain fall
[22:48:21] <Tom_itx> what mill is that?
[22:48:45] <Wolf_Mill> which pic?
[22:48:52] <Tom_itx> leds
[22:49:57] <Wolf_Mill> super x1 base + x2 head + LMS hightorque spindle and solid column
[22:57:20] <Wolf_Mill> same thing I have been working on putting together for a few weeks now lol http://i.imgur.com/cbTjU5A.jpg
[22:57:57] <Tom_itx> did you get the spindle motor working?
[22:58:07] <Tom_itx> the sewing machine one
[22:58:13] <Tom_itx> i see it's mounted
[22:58:28] <Wolf_Mill> well, they sent me a diffrent control board then what it had in it
[22:58:36] <Wolf_Mill> waiting to hear back from them on that
[22:58:57] <Tom_itx> you should have asked them if they had one that did reverse
[22:58:57] <Wolf_Mill> in the mean time I was thinking of trying to use a BE25A20 to run it
[23:01:46] <fenn> for a direct drive lead screw can i just use a pair of thrust ball bearings on one end and a bushing between them to handle the radial load?
[23:02:13] <Tom_itx> that's what my sherline does
[23:02:23] <Tom_itx> i had to fix my z though
[23:02:30] <Tom_itx> it was rubbing from the get go
[23:02:34] <Tom_itx> poor design
[23:03:01] <fenn> if i skip the bushing can i use a solid coupler to the motor shaft? since it already has a radial bearing built in
[23:03:27] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't want to rely on the motor bearings personally
[23:03:43] <Tom_itx> mine does have a solid coupler though
[23:03:52] <fenn> it just seems silly to constrain something and then introduce a flexible coupler to un-constrain it again
[23:04:44] <Tom_itx> i think it would put undue side load on the bearings without a thrust bearing
[23:05:07] <fenn> you mean radial bearing?
[23:05:25] <Tom_itx> yeah
[23:06:25] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/NdXBYOT.jpg like that?
[23:06:57] <Tom_itx> more or less yes
[23:07:10] <fenn> minus the needle bearing
[23:07:46] <Tom_itx> well the needles keep the shaft centered so it would also help support it over the motor bearings
[23:07:57] <Tom_itx> but the shaft would float in them
[23:08:50] <Wolf_Mill> only reason for the couplers are to take up any mis-alignment
[23:09:18] <fenn> but there can't be misalignment in the first place without a radial bearing to align the screw
[23:19:38] <Wolf_Mill> i remember someone asking about the stacks in those walmart steppers http://i.imgur.com/VogeASe.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2bHc5Ip.jpg
[23:20:27] <fenn> what are "stacks"?
[23:20:41] <Wolf_Mill> no idea
[23:21:08] <fenn> just so you know it's possible to permanently damage some stepper rotors simply by removing them from the housing
[23:21:28] <fenn> they will have less torque because the magnets demagnetize
[23:22:42] <Wolf_Mill> good thing I picked the one with damaged wires then
[23:24:09] <fenn> i think you're supposed to slide the rotor out into a ferrous pipe of similar inner diameter to conduct the magnetic field around
[23:24:25] <fenn> or another motor housing
[23:27:32] <Wolf_Mill> neat to know
[23:29:28] <Tom_itx> triple stack
[23:35:31] <Tom_itx> i should have gotten some of those
[23:35:48] <Tom_itx> didn't really have a need though