#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-10-11

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[00:00:30] <renesis> then it rains seasonally for a few years, but probably not rain like everyone else is used to
[00:00:47] <Tom_itx> gnite all
[00:00:55] <renesis> we get an inch in a day and all of a sudden mudslides and dozens of free accidents
[00:00:59] <renesis> nite
[00:01:05] <renesis> *freeway
[00:01:36] <renesis> like, the first time i was in falling snow, i was on a trip to montreal
[00:02:07] <renesis> i thought i was being attacked by gnats, my friend was really confused because i was swatting at all the snow and trying to run away
[00:02:24] <ssi> hahahahah
[00:02:26] <Wolf_> lol
[00:02:29] <XXCoder> lol
[00:02:44] <renesis> its not funny i was really scared i dont like bugs!
[00:03:04] <XXCoder> I had exprenced snow before so it wasnt issue. however, after moving back to washington state I had to buy some stuff I havent owned for some years
[00:03:09] <XXCoder> like coat and pants
[00:03:19] <renesis> also related to being californian: first time i saw fireflies in florida, i freaked out at another friend because i thought there was a chemical fire
[00:03:33] <XXCoder> my old coat (pre-calfornia) was soo small as I was still growing
[00:03:33] <renesis> washington is neat
[00:03:43] <XXCoder> *too
[00:03:56] <renesis> i had a friend up there and i would visit for a couple weaks at a time, like tits totally different one season to the next
[00:04:16] <renesis> jezus fuck at pollen and dander like clouds in the spring
[00:04:44] <Wolf_> I love my area, -20deg F, snow, 78deg days..
[00:04:48] <Wolf_> all in the same week
[00:05:01] <renesis> where is that?
[00:05:09] <Wolf_> Maryland
[00:05:26] <renesis> oh, yeah east coast is weird
[00:05:41] <renesis> kinda smelly in the summer =\
[00:05:54] <XXCoder> renesis: when I owned a blue car it would regularly turn green
[00:05:57] <XXCoder> tops anyway
[00:05:57] <renesis> is like nothing every completely drys out haha
[00:06:06] <XXCoder> gonna love pollen
[00:06:06] <Wolf_> lol
[00:06:27] <renesis> also the blackberries are cool
[00:06:49] <Wolf_> right now its 41°F here
[00:06:50] <renesis> blackberry bush just dont give a fuck, theyre like the honey badgers of the pacific northwest
[00:07:20] <XXCoder> renesis: we get infection of bushes pretty often
[00:07:28] <XXCoder> easy to kill but jeez they keep coming back
[00:07:34] <XXCoder> just like terminator
[00:07:39] <renesis> see i love that, you guys call it an infection
[00:07:54] <renesis> im like, guys there are fuckin blackberries growing out of the chain link fence, check this out
[00:07:57] <XXCoder> dunno what rest call it but damn annoying
[00:08:17] <renesis> naw i get it, i was pretty blown away by how dominating it was
[00:08:30] <Wolf_> I have raspberry coming up all over my yard
[00:08:37] <renesis> i saw meadows of it, and like at the edge you could see it was 10-15 ft deep
[00:08:54] <renesis> i dont think you can deal with that except by setting it on fire
[00:08:56] <XXCoder> renesis: I saw HUGE piles of em before. old place I lived had 20+ feet deep pile next to bank I went to often
[00:09:04] <XXCoder> they fenced it and hired goats
[00:09:09] <XXCoder> took em weeks to eat em
[00:09:30] <renesis> yeah they grow in ditches besides the road, and the shit is like 10 ft above the road, growing out of a 10ft deep ditch
[00:09:30] <XXCoder> I always thought it was 10 feet deep and level ground
[00:09:32] <XXCoder> it wasnt
[00:09:37] <renesis> blackberry just dont give a fuck
[00:10:07] <XXCoder> when it was gone I said "holy fuck thats 10 feet dip to that land level" or something like that
[00:10:19] <renesis> yeah its nuts
[00:10:40] <trentster> Does anyone per-chance have some cnc maze or labyrith toolpaths - I am looking for something ready to make for a kid present.
[00:10:46] <renesis> like, in the spring, i thought it was crazy how it was impossible to take a walk through toe forest
[00:10:48] <XXCoder> in washington its not too big problem but dont plant bamboo without serious controls if its runner type.
[00:11:10] <XXCoder> trentster: use maze generator online
[00:11:12] <renesis> just too many plants and bushes between the trees, most of the trails were unusable
[00:11:14] <XXCoder> it'll be black and white
[00:11:23] <XXCoder> then use linuxcnc bitmap to 3d feature
[00:11:53] <XXCoder> renesis: thats if its not controlled. one large park near home was, and it wasnt too bad.
[00:12:00] <renesis> can linux cnc toolpath b&w rasters now ?
[00:12:22] <XXCoder> yeah dunno when it started but it already had it when I first found it
[00:13:10] <renesis> yeah i havcent really looked at new features in a few years, i just feed the gcode like before and it still works
[00:13:49] <trentster> XXCoder: yeah I saw the maze generators online they are designed to be printed the lines are barriers and I am not sure how to get a single toolpath to be generated in-between the print lines
[00:14:03] <XXCoder> trentster: try bitmap feature out
[00:14:07] <XXCoder> see how well it works
[00:14:10] <XXCoder> it will preview it
[00:14:52] <trentster> bitmap feature in linuxcnc?
[00:15:02] <renesis> trentster: do you have time?
[00:15:22] <trentster> renesis not really
[00:15:35] <XXCoder> trentster: yeah open PNG file (dunno if support other features)
[00:15:40] <XXCoder> it will open a new window
[00:15:50] <XXCoder> it has list of parameter and stuff
[00:16:12] <XXCoder> for example what size per one grayscale color (total depth / 255)
[00:16:14] <renesis> never mind then. this is actually a pretty straightforward gcoding project, good for learning but itll take longer
[00:16:21] <trentster> xxcoder let me fire up linuxcnc in a vm quick and take a look
[00:16:21] <XXCoder> and what length/widthj per pixel
[00:17:29] <trentster> I was looking to do soemthing similar to this around the same size
[00:17:30] <trentster> http://www.instructables.com/id/CNC-Paddle-Maze/?ALLSTEPS
[00:17:58] <XXCoder> that is awersome
[00:19:03] <trentster> The hard part is getting an SVG like this http://cl.ly/3Q2f3n3S1R1g into a workable toolpath
[00:19:23] <trentster> without jumping through 5 hoops of time pain
[00:20:06] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:20:22] <XXCoder> too bad that generates walls not paths
[00:20:54] <trentster> yup - I cant find anything online that will generate paths and not walls - but some times my google fu is not strong ;-)
[00:21:20] <XXCoder> bitmap feature you can invert bitmap
[00:21:32] <XXCoder> but well it wont produce as smooth a maze as you want
[00:21:46] <XXCoder> smooth it should run though paths not cross and stuff
[00:22:09] <XXCoder> http://www.mazegenerator.net/
[00:22:24] <XXCoder> check out as path button
[00:22:53] <XXCoder> lines is paths ion that mode
[00:24:18] <XXCoder> trentster:
[00:29:52] <trentster> XXCoder: thanks mate - you are awesome!
[00:30:02] <XXCoder> np :)
[00:30:21] <XXCoder> wonder if there labyrith version
[00:30:40] <XXCoder> that same site has it
[00:31:42] <XXCoder> but no lines mode
[00:33:58] <XXCoder> no email address anywhere
[00:34:22] <trentster> yeah it seems only available for squares
[00:34:24] <trentster> pity
[00:34:34] <XXCoder> now looking sources
[00:35:03] <trentster> XXCoder: http://www.jgbservice.com/
[00:35:17] <XXCoder> I looked everywhere no email
[00:39:59] <XXCoder> easy mazy http://www.astrolog.org/labyrnth/maze/hyper.gif
[00:41:50] <trentster> hah - that hurts the brain just looking at it
[00:41:56] <trentster> imagine trying to machine it
[00:41:57] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:41:59] <trentster> :P
[00:42:03] <XXCoder> this is 4d. worse. http://www.astrolog.org/labyrnth/maze/4d.gif
[01:48:14] <XXCoder> if you guys are curious
[01:48:19] <XXCoder> TPP paper. https://wikileaks.org/tpp-ip3/WikiLeaks-TPP-IP-Chapter/WikiLeaks-TPP-IP-Chapter-051015.pdf
[01:48:50] <XXCoder> cira oct 5th, 2015. so probably very close to final version if not actual final.
[02:16:22] <trentster> XXCoder: thanks - another secret treaty - I can not keep up anymore - whats the 1 chapter summary of this one?
[02:16:51] <trentster> Let em guess less real freedom for the man on the street and more money ultimately for big business?
[02:16:52] <XXCoder> I'm under digestive distress so I cant really read at this time
[02:16:58] <XXCoder> in least dull stuff
[02:17:15] <XXCoder> cashew choculate covered does NOT agree with me
[02:17:43] <XXCoder> I managed to learn some stuff about freecad, even with bad problems lol
[02:22:55] <Deejay> moin
[02:26:12] <XXCoder> nice https://youtu.be/MmIP156JIxg
[02:26:15] <XXCoder> hey
[02:26:40] <Deejay> o/
[02:35:14] <Sync> ssi: hmm, that looks like a fun thunderstorm
[02:37:39] <toastydeath> any of y'all ever use an sgi system in recent memory
[02:41:43] <XXCoder> wow. water rocket https://www.uct.ac.za/dailynews/?id=9389
[02:47:32] <XXCoder> whoa
[02:47:44] <XXCoder> linux has been forked. lets see if new one lasts
[02:48:05] <XXCoder> Matthew Garrett got tired of linux development culture
[02:49:52] <XXCoder> https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/38136.html
[02:51:07] <Sync> as if XXCoder
[02:51:22] <XXCoder> bsd securelevels interesting. gonna read more into that
[02:51:30] <XXCoder> and on why liux isnt implementing that
[02:53:55] <XXCoder> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/security.html#idp60142288
[02:53:59] <Sync> XXCoder: all this dev culture thing is imho moot
[02:54:12] <Sync> if you don't like it, either live with it or get out
[02:54:19] <XXCoder> probably. lets see what happens
[03:02:22] <toastydeath> at least in my experience, culture determines a lot of what does or doesn't get done
[03:04:41] <toastydeath> technical expertise doesn't mean a whole lot in a shitty culture, and technical expertise can be bred in a good one
[03:06:19] <XXCoder> yeah recently one worker told me why he moved to place I work, it was because his old job was really shitty
[03:06:35] <XXCoder> and other worker that recently started said everyone was always angry at old job
[03:06:56] <XXCoder> dunno why as that guy is amazing, and have advanced to run expensive machines already.
[03:07:17] <XXCoder> he said hes really happy with current job
[03:08:07] <toastydeath> morale goes down, people do less, and the best people know not to waste their time on good ideas that won't fly
[03:08:41] <XXCoder> turnover is poisonous to most companies
[03:09:12] <XXCoder> as it is company I work at have somewhat high turnover due to income cap. I'm at well below that
[03:09:41] <XXCoder> people is pretty happy but then people move on to even better jobs
[03:09:44] <toastydeath> i worked at a local city government, similar problem
[03:09:52] <toastydeath> everyone loved the environment/co-workers
[03:10:27] <toastydeath> but the salary cap was low and the management was very poor, so nothing of consequence got done and the best people left
[03:10:58] <toastydeath> i get to build the culture where I am now, which is an interesting proposition
[03:11:09] <toastydeath> we'll see if I fuck it up somehow
[03:11:20] <XXCoder> poopy fun https://i.chzbgr.com/full/6503181824/h97C0EEAE/
[03:12:33] <XXCoder> toastydeath: nice
[03:12:40] <XXCoder> good luck man :)
[03:12:52] <XXCoder> hiring right people helps, I remember this nice trick
[03:13:05] <XXCoder> hire some front desk person
[03:13:14] <XXCoder> make him or her bit different than usual
[03:13:31] <XXCoder> see reactions and how polite person is on talking with that person
[03:13:43] <toastydeath> yeah, that's fairly standard
[03:13:52] <toastydeath> the "front desk person" for interviews is the owner's wife.
[03:13:57] <toastydeath> it works quite well
[03:14:00] <toastydeath> she has a psych background
[03:14:04] <XXCoder> wow nice
[03:14:24] <XXCoder> do you also make sure only one person interacts with front desk person a time? with nobody else watcjing?
[03:14:44] <toastydeath> she conducts all the administrative stuff including initial calls and presents herself as admin staff
[03:14:56] <toastydeath> very strongly downplays who she is
[03:15:08] <toastydeath> gets a bit better read than just waiting room shenanigans
[03:15:11] <XXCoder> nice
[03:16:22] <anomynous> XXCoder, some workplaces have just ill atmosphere. Rivalry, jealousy, self-elevation at expense of others, bragging etc. plus management being inable to take action or even participating themselves.
[03:16:24] <toastydeath> i am trying to move us away from bullshit interviews
[03:16:58] <toastydeath> i'd rather go to lunch with someone for an interview than sit around a desk and grill them
[03:17:27] <toastydeath> I pushed this one kid we looked at through for part-time helpdesk type shit
[03:17:50] <toastydeath> everyone thought he wasn't up to par, but they were asking him all sorts of high level active directory/server shit
[03:18:18] <XXCoder> knowing stuff dont mean good worker. trainability is BIG
[03:18:18] <toastydeath> he's worked out great, learns fast and makes pretty decent decisions
[03:19:32] <XXCoder> thats great
[03:19:35] <anomynous> well. People learn. If it is a nice workplace, the door doesn't revolve all the time and recruits don't have to be 10y+ exp cs heroes with experience on everything on earth, and especially every item listed by the bullet list.
[03:19:38] <anomynous> Maybe? =)
[03:20:01] <toastydeath> as long as someone is willing to figure it out, I'm cool with it
[03:21:01] <toastydeath> my biggest issue atm is a guy who either assumes software is in the exact same state it was in 1995
[03:21:04] <toastydeath> or
[03:21:04] <toastydeath> is impossible
[03:21:22] <toastydeath> it is impossible to assign projects to him as a result
[03:22:11] <XXCoder> 95 to 15 has HUGE changes
[03:22:21] <toastydeath> yes
[03:22:45] <XXCoder> 20 years after all. kids born during windows 95 hype is adults now
[03:22:45] <toastydeath> the other day he told a client that setting permissions from a central location across all desktops is impossible
[03:22:57] * XXCoder facepalms
[03:23:12] <toastydeath> when in reality the very first google result is a technet article describing how to do that via gpo
[03:23:21] <toastydeath> every single thing is like this
[03:23:37] <XXCoder> why isnt he shown the door with behind hurting?
[03:23:48] <toastydeath> because he refuses to learn, both the SAN and the vmware blade clusters are essentially black magic to him
[03:24:24] <toastydeath> a client had $15k blades sitting in a rack, turned off, because he couldn't/wouldn't figure out how to configure them
[03:24:45] <toastydeath> two major reasons
[03:24:51] <toastydeath> I can do all the project work myself without incident
[03:25:07] <toastydeath> which means I can make substantial archetecture changes without discussing it with anyone else to make things more correct
[03:25:18] <toastydeath> second reason, I do not do windows updates.
[03:25:21] <toastydeath> i do not touch desktops
[03:25:55] <toastydeath> so it is worth it to me to have someone there to respond to desktop issues and low-level server problems
[03:26:15] <XXCoder> something in least
[03:26:47] <toastydeath> he realized the other day that all projects have been taken away from him
[03:26:55] <toastydeath> i think it's setting in
[03:27:35] <toastydeath> i am slowly standardizing everything
[03:27:51] <XXCoder> thats good
[03:28:33] <toastydeath> i can trust him to do things after i set the standard
[03:29:06] <XXCoder> theres places for people that slog though stuff too
[03:29:08] <toastydeath> fortunately I can't really do much at that one location because the network needs a major overhaul
[03:29:30] <XXCoder> for example, myself isnt too great on cnc but I drill though lots jobs too dull for many other people.
[03:29:34] <toastydeath> which i was going to do, but there's apparently budget in the project for a contractor
[03:29:52] <XXCoder> like endcap engraving. 1,500 parts in a week when any other would do it in 2 weeks
[03:30:10] <toastydeath> yeah, i definitely agree
[03:30:27] <anomynous> toastydeath, is giving direct feedback too scary or impossible because of his personality?
[03:30:30] <toastydeath> there will be quite a bit of work to do soon that just Needs To Be Done
[03:30:37] <toastydeath> he does not listen
[03:30:49] <anomynous> have you been direct?
[03:30:58] <toastydeath> i have addressed this directly, and he has admitted this fault directly
[03:31:22] <anomynous> well, then you can continue to point it out from time to time? ;D
[03:31:27] <toastydeath> why?
[03:31:40] <anomynous> to make him realize the problem persists
[03:31:46] <toastydeath> he realises it persists
[03:31:50] <toastydeath> he's been there for 15 years
[03:31:59] <toastydeath> it's been addressed since the dawn of time
[03:32:05] <toastydeath> i am just one more person saying the same things
[03:32:18] <anomynous> so he has an attitude problem and just doesnt care?
[03:32:24] <toastydeath> essentially
[03:32:30] <toastydeath> he's definitely on the autism spectrum
[03:32:39] <toastydeath> he is not well suited for contracting work
[03:32:48] <toastydeath> sometimes the client wants things done Their Way
[03:32:55] <toastydeath> and he can't handle doing anything except His Way
[03:33:13] <toastydeath> he is abrasive and tactless
[03:33:19] <anomynous> thats called arrogance
[03:33:19] <XXCoder> maybe it's time to "promote" him
[03:33:21] <toastydeath> he does not mean it
[03:33:27] <XXCoder> job that he dont need to meet anyone
[03:33:32] <XXCoder> yet needs to be done
[03:33:33] <toastydeath> he's just socially clueless
[03:33:40] <toastydeath> that's essentially what's happened
[03:33:54] <toastydeath> and it isn't a promotion
[03:33:58] <toastydeath> and that was made clear
[03:34:32] <XXCoder> so it works better?
[03:34:39] <toastydeath> "better"
[03:34:58] <toastydeath> i'd prefer to have someone who can handle more than windows updates and desktop deployments
[03:35:18] <toastydeath> it will be fixed in time.
[03:35:35] <anomynous> mm. have you said just that?
[03:35:55] <anomynous> and that he is being rude to people
[03:36:19] <toastydeath> like i said, I've been entirely direct, and i am another person in a long line of people who have said the exact same things
[03:36:19] <anomynous> im repeating ;D
[03:36:28] <anomynous> ok ;)
[03:36:32] <toastydeath> so i don't know why you feel the need to consistently ask the same question
[03:36:55] <anomynous> because some people being direct is not direct, or then it is offensive way
[03:36:58] <toastydeath> i am also ~15 years younger than he is, so there's addtional resentment
[03:37:10] <XXCoder> I dont see why.
[03:37:25] <XXCoder> I went to college and PHD teacher I ahd was more than 10 years younger than me
[03:37:31] <XXCoder> she was awesome teacher!
[03:38:01] <toastydeath> in IT i have noticed there is a big issue with being younger and in senior positions
[03:38:11] <toastydeath> "I have done this longer therefore I should have your job"
[03:38:29] <toastydeath> one of the reasons I like consulting so much, if you're good you move up fast and the money is big
[03:38:55] <XXCoder> reprap have gone priceless
[03:38:59] <XXCoder> I hate that trend
[03:39:04] <toastydeath> priceless?
[03:39:12] <XXCoder> website does not have prices
[03:39:18] <toastydeath> that sucks
[03:39:29] <XXCoder> not sure if its for everything lemme look
[03:40:30] <XXCoder> oh its not reprap
[03:40:32] <XXCoder> bigrep
[03:41:11] <XXCoder> got curious becue of this http://www.3ders.org/articles/20151006-turn-your-smartphone-into-a-dlp-3d-printer-olo-box.html
[03:42:12] <toastydeath> weird
[03:42:34] <XXCoder> so far it looks like.. just container to hold liquid on phone
[03:42:39] <XXCoder> which is quite a wtf
[03:43:16] <archivist> so stupid, what happens if you get a call mid print!
[03:43:21] <toastydeath> there's a lot of retardation going on in the 3d printer market
[03:43:30] <XXCoder> archivist: well thats not worse thing
[03:43:37] <XXCoder> its pouring liquid on phone
[03:43:51] <XXCoder> from what i understand from video anyway. it could have clear cover
[03:43:52] <archivist> its fail piled on fail
[03:44:20] <archivist> many inventors have a screw loose
[03:44:45] <XXCoder> well that is good as sometimes we got awesome stuff
[03:44:51] <XXCoder> crappy stuff too
[03:44:57] <XXCoder> like this https://i.chzbgr.com/full/6503181824/h97C0EEAE/
[03:45:05] <XXCoder> what a (literal) shitty toy
[03:45:16] <archivist> they try to make and sell before testing their idea and finding possible problems
[03:45:18] <toastydeath> even the software is retarded in a lot of cases, I feel like 3d printing is being held back by the same people promoting it
[03:46:14] <archivist> diagnosis and fault finding is totally missing from some people
[03:46:24] <XXCoder> archivist: phones do have massive resolution, but like you said, if phone rings it will ruin print
[03:46:53] <archivist> buy a phone display, make dedicated printer, win
[03:47:07] <XXCoder> actually
[03:47:12] <XXCoder> any lcd montor'd do
[03:47:22] <XXCoder> more modern ones anyway
[03:48:01] <XXCoder> I wonder if any 4x would make superfine print
[03:48:09] <archivist> there is another problem, the light from the display is radiating in all directions not focused on the layer in front
[03:48:10] <XXCoder> archivist: lets do kickstarter lol
[03:48:29] <XXCoder> maybe some sort of antiscatter
[03:48:45] <XXCoder> interesting http://www.3ders.org/articles/20151007-two-students-develop-promising-and-fast-fusebox-3d-printer-looking-for-beta-testers.html
[03:49:08] <toastydeath> 3d printing really doesn't have a hardware problem right now
[03:49:15] <anomynous> i tumbled on some cheap laser on interwebs. seemed lots more interesting than printers
[03:49:21] <toastydeath> yet everything everyone is doing is New Hardware OMG U Guyz
[03:49:43] <XXCoder> toastydeath: whats interesting on this case is high quality + fast + cheap aspect
[03:49:53] <XXCoder> just $350 yet its fast and high quality
[03:50:10] <toastydeath> XXCoder: like i said, there isn't a hardware problem.
[03:50:21] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R3mMUsHFvU
[03:50:24] <toastydeath> there is ridiculously limited imagination in that space
[03:50:56] <XXCoder> speed torture video is is interesting
[03:51:17] <toastydeath> anomynous: agree, laser is really cool
[03:51:22] <XXCoder> agreed
[03:51:34] <XXCoder> I do want laser
[03:51:46] <toastydeath> 1) there's no good open source modeling software
[03:51:53] <toastydeath> 2) everyone is reinventing the control wheel
[03:51:57] <XXCoder> toastydeath: freecad seems working
[03:52:14] <toastydeath> have used it, kinda sucks dick comparatively
[03:52:21] <anomynous> also, fusion 360 is free for hobbyists. not oss though
[03:52:22] <toastydeath> used to do 3d modelling professionally
[03:52:31] <toastydeath> for manufacturing
[03:52:40] <XXCoder> nice
[03:52:51] <archivist> if you have used Solidworks the rest are rather plain
[03:53:02] <toastydeath> the thing I want to see is not actually a freecam replacement
[03:53:09] <anomynous> sw is nice but would you buy it as a hobbyist
[03:53:12] <archivist> the gear mates in sw are nice
[03:53:12] <toastydeath> what I want to see is a mastercam-type program replacement
[03:53:13] <anomynous> noooope
[03:53:14] <XXCoder> brb gonna grab food. havent eaten for 15 hours with fun issue all day
[03:53:25] <anomynous> toastydeath, fusion does have cam
[03:53:26] <XXCoder> thats a lot of programming work toastydeath
[03:53:40] <XXCoder> toastydeath: includes stress test and so on correct?
[03:53:41] <toastydeath> XXCoder: it's all a lot of programming work
[03:53:43] <XXCoder> brb
[03:54:00] <toastydeath> yet everyone's reprogramming the same fucking piece of software for some reason
[03:54:11] <toastydeath> rather than moving on to new problems
[03:54:29] <anomynous> munnyy
[03:54:41] <anomynous> also, cams are ridicilously expensive, which will change ;)
[03:54:48] <archivist> toastydeath, http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/29225
[03:55:37] <toastydeath> nice, i am leaving that open to read tomorrow
[03:55:46] <XXCoder> back
[03:56:22] <XXCoder> yeah I remmber reading about website making lots of "standard modules"
[03:56:29] <XXCoder> so it dont need to be endlessly repeated
[03:56:46] <XXCoder> in premise that evenually even pretty major stuff is covered
[03:56:49] <toastydeath> 3d printing/hobby cnc doesn't need arbitrarily complex 5+ axis toolpaths
[03:57:00] <archivist> master cam gets a mention as only really doing 3d at a time but moving the other two to get there
[03:57:30] <toastydeath> i actually think it would be best if the OSS community ressurected APT
[03:57:38] <archivist> cam is currently useless to me
[03:57:44] <toastydeath> useless how?
[03:57:48] <XXCoder> APT?
[03:58:07] <archivist> XXCoder, sourceforge aptos project
[03:58:07] <anomynous> apt-get ;D everyone is abandoning debian and moving on to windows
[03:58:12] <anomynous> oh
[03:58:20] <XXCoder> I use apt-get
[03:58:23] <toastydeath> XXCoder: apt was a tool programming language back in the OLD old days
[03:58:29] <toastydeath> that compiled to gcode
[03:58:59] <toastydeath> and is actually still used by modern cam systems (modified, obvs) to do postprocessing
[03:59:07] <archivist> a few fixes to the aptos post processor were made last night
[03:59:29] <XXCoder> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APT_%28programming_language%29
[03:59:39] <toastydeath> yep, that's it
[04:00:10] <archivist> the hard part is dragging the APT360 code out of the dark ages
[04:00:59] <XXCoder> gcode should be rebuilt and re-standardized. it has many confusing stuff, like G for variable managment and motion control
[04:01:08] <XXCoder> g1 g54 x0. y0.
[04:01:17] <toastydeath> what's confusing about that
[04:01:34] <XXCoder> I woild make g54 e1 as in corrdiate 1
[04:01:43] <XXCoder> I would use c but that is axis already
[04:01:54] <archivist> see also step-nc
[04:02:00] <toastydeath> that is what APT is/was for
[04:02:10] <toastydeath> feature definition
[04:02:30] <toastydeath> but for some reason it died out
[04:02:38] <XXCoder> dunno
[04:02:41] <toastydeath> and now we all sit on our asses typing coordinates into the machine
[04:02:58] <anomynous> and use variable numbers instead of names
[04:02:58] <toastydeath> there are really good reasons, at least from my perspective, why gcode is so damn stupid
[04:02:59] <anomynous> ;D
[04:03:00] <XXCoder> fadal 88 uses e1-e(24?) which is interesting
[04:03:34] <XXCoder> its so easy to read gcode and spot e1 and know what coordite it is
[04:03:55] <XXCoder> I would move stuff around and use M for motion control
[04:03:58] <toastydeath> yes, but now you have abstraction to work through
[04:04:06] <toastydeath> gcode was never meant to be human-readable
[04:04:09] <XXCoder> rapid would be m0, m1 where g1 is
[04:04:17] <XXCoder> yeah but we edi it all damn time
[04:04:45] <toastydeath> right, and i think that's a problem with the tools we're using and not the language
[04:05:00] <toastydeath> like trying to make assembly more human friendly when the real answer is to invent C
[04:05:34] <XXCoder> yeah but then make asm in least reaable if not friendly too
[04:05:54] <XXCoder> gcode is whole mess of G codes when it isnt one of axis and m code
[04:06:03] <toastydeath> ?
[04:06:13] <XXCoder> lots of G
[04:06:17] <toastydeath> right?
[04:06:26] <XXCoder> anyway
[04:06:29] <toastydeath> maybe I am too used to it but I don't understand
[04:06:40] <XXCoder> wonder how much work it takes to bring back APT
[04:06:51] <anomynous> make entirely new apt?
[04:08:03] <toastydeath> because I think g-code is a pretty robust language for universal control of manufacturing tools - pretty much every manufacturing tool in use can be/is programmed in gcode
[04:08:15] <toastydeath> we need something that can do the abstraction and repetition
[04:08:34] <toastydeath> and then can build visual tools on top of that for CAM
[04:08:47] <XXCoder> yeah and I dont want to add or remove gcode, just use more charactors, to seperate some type of information
[04:09:07] <XXCoder> fadal's usage of E for changing coord is nice example of this.
[04:09:18] <archivist> vapt was an attempt at visual
[04:09:38] <XXCoder> but yeah I like APT on that, reading still
[04:09:45] <XXCoder> damn feel lot better with food
[04:09:47] <toastydeath> like one thing that has always bugged me
[04:09:51] <toastydeath> the lathe canned cycles.
[04:09:58] <toastydeath> if you are a lathe programmer, you rely on them hard fucking core
[04:10:06] <toastydeath> but realistically, we should not have that kind of thing in g-code
[04:10:28] <toastydeath> we should perhaps have some commands that can construct canned cycles, etc - similar to function calls in asm
[04:10:41] <toastydeath> but the actual writing of those things should be done in a higher level language
[04:10:47] <anomynous> why not? its the easiest to change the canned cycle params on machine
[04:11:12] <toastydeath> yep, i agree that it is currently indespensible if you program at the tool
[04:11:27] <toastydeath> but I like clean breaks in abstraction
[04:11:38] <anomynous> also using custom macros for doing things ;)
[04:11:40] <toastydeath> just like g64/65
[04:11:55] <toastydeath> they are *useful*, but have developed since apt's death
[04:12:15] <toastydeath> a similar good example is Fanuc's stuff
[04:12:32] <toastydeath> in their later models they added a bunch of pathing/object creation
[04:12:36] <toastydeath> Good times, I like that
[04:12:48] <XXCoder> interesting read so far http://www.designworldonline.com/50-years-of-cad/#_
[04:12:53] <toastydeath> but I think the whole "canned cycle x" is not a good idea
[04:13:05] <anomynous> why?
[04:13:14] <XXCoder> if nothing else it could be done with basic drill cycle
[04:13:23] <XXCoder> repeatly do it deeper in each time
[04:13:27] <anomynous> isnt that more of a post processor thing? If you do this, spurt out that? ;D
[04:13:37] <toastydeath> anomynous: you're not getting my core argument
[04:13:42] <anomynous> yeah
[04:13:44] <anomynous> i figured
[04:13:46] <anomynous> i asked
[04:14:02] <toastydeath> I'm arguing that all canned cycles/etc should exist as abstractions in a higher level language
[04:14:07] <toastydeath> and not as canned cycles in g-code
[04:14:22] <toastydeath> we should have a way to *construct a function* in g-code, similar to assembly
[04:14:24] <anomynous> and there should be a way to create lots more. Muaha
[04:14:28] <toastydeath> yes
[04:14:44] <toastydeath> g-code started out exactly that way
[04:14:54] <toastydeath> but it instead became the language everyone programmed
[04:15:03] <XXCoder> isnt there g99 (or something?) that have functions
[04:15:16] <toastydeath> XXCoder: yes, but it's a hack
[04:15:17] <archivist> o codes
[04:15:25] <XXCoder> makes sense
[04:15:35] <toastydeath> on most controls you get a series of commands in the g64/g65 space
[04:15:44] <toastydeath> that are logic/function calls/etc
[04:16:30] <anomynous> no new language. Just use python?
[04:16:31] <anomynous> ;D
[04:16:42] <archivist> I hand code with o code subroutines for my gears
[04:17:06] <toastydeath> but if we had a standard asm-type exchange, we could trade canned cycles
[04:17:12] <toastydeath> build different lathe roughing ops, etc
[04:17:27] <archivist> just call it with number of teeth and extents
[04:19:22] <archivist> I could have in in a named external file
[04:19:46] <toastydeath> that's pretty cool
[04:19:53] <archivist> http://www.archivist.info/cnc/standard_clock_n_teeth.ngc
[04:20:09] <toastydeath> but now I go to bed
[04:20:15] <XXCoder> night toast
[04:20:17] <toastydeath> I have a photography gig earlier in the morning =(
[04:20:23] <toastydeath> i need to quit this shit
[04:20:26] <toastydeath> and take my weekends back
[04:20:31] <toastydeath> gn
[04:21:38] <XXCoder> archivist: do it adjust for curve?
[04:22:07] <archivist> that is for a shaped cutter
[04:22:14] <XXCoder> ahh
[04:23:13] <archivist> most cam is clueless about shaped cutters
[04:24:06] <anomynous> most?
[04:24:13] <Contract_Pilot> Evening.
[04:24:14] <XXCoder> probbaly only expensive ones has cutter profile
[04:24:36] <Contract_Pilot> Beer 30 aginst doc advice more then 3 a week
[04:25:11] <archivist> not sure what if any cam can deal with true involute and and cycloidal curves
[04:26:06] <anomynous> . . . . . . . . ... ~(,,^> -Super speedy mouse. Try to catch him!
[04:26:19] <archivist> you can generate those curves by machine moves though
[04:26:21] <XXCoder> caught
[04:28:35] <anomynous> .. . . . . . . . . ~(,,^> Accelerating mouse.
[04:28:46] <anomynous> wont catch it now.
[04:29:07] <XXCoder> weird
[04:29:21] <XXCoder> one printer company has no printer left on stock
[04:29:27] <XXCoder> may be going out of business
[04:29:36] <XXCoder> their ABS stock is deeply discounted
[04:29:39] <XXCoder> 35 bucks to 10
[04:30:08] <XXCoder> http://rigidbot.com/shop/page/2/ if need abs
[04:30:46] <XXCoder> ahh theyre launching 2.0 version
[04:32:55] <anomynous> some apt kind of thing would be cool
[04:36:05] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/OneUp-Printer-Dimensions-Micron-1-75mm/dp/B013RWG8W6/ref=sr_1_117?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1444554621&sr=1-117&keywords=3d+printer
[04:36:07] <XXCoder> 200 bucks
[04:36:17] <XXCoder> I suppose goof fo0r small prints and playing around with.
[04:52:19] <archivist> anomynous, apt360 runs but in 32 bit mode only
[04:55:31] <archivist> the code currently is too crappy to move to 64 bit, needs the string processing moving out of the dark ages
[04:56:21] <anomynous> archivist, dont do it in C. ;D
[04:56:51] <XXCoder> know what? time to invent C-CNC
[04:56:52] <XXCoder> lol
[04:57:15] <XXCoder> similiar to C but has functions to do cnc stuff like rapid, drill so on
[04:57:34] <archivist> it is currently a fortran based then f2c
[04:58:08] <archivist> I have no problem with C, I hate oop dross though
[05:06:14] <anomynous_> archivist, for application programming?
[05:06:36] <archivist> any programming :)
[05:06:49] <anomynous_> eww
[05:07:03] <anomynous_> thats like saying its fine to code in gcode and not want apt or cams
[05:07:50] <archivist> look at any cam output and look at my bit of gcode, which can you read and modify :)
[05:08:06] <anomynous_> and which takes long per part?
[05:08:26] <archivist> cam usually is slower
[05:08:51] <anomynous_> well, then apt-kinda-thing should be twice as fast as writing gcode
[05:08:52] <archivist> according to a paper I have anyway
[05:08:52] <anomynous_> ;D
[05:09:23] <anomynous_> well, cam should be on a laptop with cnc machine with dnc
[05:09:23] <anomynous_> ;D
[05:09:38] <archivist> in production the code writing time is small compared to the cost of machine time
[05:09:49] <anomynous_> not if youre doing invidual parts
[05:10:29] <archivist> oop programmers are cutting the wrong cost at the expense of run time
[05:10:46] <anomynous_> object oriented gcode? ;D
[05:11:07] <anomynous_> i will put function pointers in your structs and call it oop ;D
[05:11:18] <anomynous_> j/k
[05:11:21] <archivist> I do indivisual gears but not how simple that bit of gcode is to change to a new number of teeth etc
[05:11:34] <archivist> note
[05:11:46] <anomynous_> its not possible to generalize many parts like that
[05:11:58] <archivist> I do use function pointers in C
[05:12:23] <anomynous_> it was a joke about programming oop in c. I cant program in c though. Ive just read a book on it ;D
[05:13:50] <archivist> I did a program on various languages to convert some library(books) data to a form for database insertion, days in perl, hours in php, 17 secs in C
[05:14:12] <anomynous_> well, you could write cython
[05:14:14] <anomynous_> ;D
[05:15:12] <archivist> and have white space matter! no way
[05:15:38] <anomynous_> there is no white space matter. not in python.
[05:15:42] <anomynous_> it is called readability
[05:15:56] <ganzuul> Whitespace is just a big convenient button with the right Vim plugin.
[05:16:20] <anomynous_> plugin? does vim need a plugin for it? et setting
[05:16:30] <anomynous_> and tabstop to 4 or something
[05:16:33] <anomynous_> and use convert tabs
[05:16:56] <ganzuul> Probably doesn't need it, but plugins are a convenient way to manage settings in some cases.
[05:18:00] <ganzuul> what I meant is that the whitespace can be highlighted in various ways so that it's easy to see,]
[05:18:38] <archivist> it is a plain mistake in the language
[05:19:39] <ganzuul> I bought an en-US keyboard because {} and [] are very inconvenient on fi-sv keyboards.
[05:20:52] <archivist> I have programmed in really odd languages, on had comma separated fields in the lines
[05:22:55] <ganzuul> Gcode seems to be a lot like Assembler. - You put values in registers and call functions.
[05:23:08] <anomynous_> archivist, well if its the first one to mention, then is it a big deal?
[05:23:10] <anomynous_> ;D
[05:24:50] <archivist> how is this for unreadable http://www.archivist.info/tabs/STZC03.S
[05:25:46] <ganzuul> archivist: Seems to be inspired by spreadsheets...
[05:25:59] <archivist> actually database fields
[05:26:38] <archivist> even the programs are stored in tables
[05:27:13] <ganzuul> Something out of IBM mainframe-land?
[05:27:30] <XXCoder> not bad http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-New-arrival-Delta-3d-printer-with-Automatic-leveling-Upgraded-heatedbed-extra10m-filament-for-free-from/32418652860.html
[05:27:38] <archivist> well started out on Apples then unix
[05:27:42] <XXCoder> and yes seller has feedback. lots of it
[05:27:44] <archivist> app II
[05:30:24] <ganzuul> I suppose SQL seems like a good idea compared to that...
[05:30:33] <XXCoder> no
[05:30:40] <XXCoder> use COBOL
[05:34:25] <ganzuul> Facebook's GraphQL might turn out very interesting.
[05:36:33] <jthornton> zlog
[05:36:47] <XXCoder> yo
[05:39:18] <jthornton> morning
[05:41:53] <XXCoder> whats up
[05:42:19] <jthornton> waiting for the coffee and working on my go program
[05:42:22] <Contract_Pilot> Waiting on tracking Numbers
[05:42:31] <Contract_Pilot> may be out 190.00
[05:42:33] <jthornton> 6546576876316465655414
[05:44:11] <Contract_Pilot> Hope next week Mesa gets theie 7I76's instock.
[05:50:49] <jthornton> now for the fun part figure out the start and end xyz of the arcs... I did it before in python
[05:50:56] <XXCoder> geez https://i.chzbgr.com/full/7294409728/hA935726A/
[05:51:01] <XXCoder> thats so many cups
[07:34:18] <anomynous_> jthornton, go program?
[07:34:48] <anomynous_> igo program? weiqi program? baduk program? ;D
[07:37:18] <jthornton> yea
[07:37:32] <jthornton> getting there :)
[07:59:12] <jthornton> now that I have my sin cos right it works :)
[07:59:24] <jthornton> where is ssi when you want to brag
[08:11:16] <jthornton> now to arrange by start and end points
[08:15:24] <MrSunshine> dammit, looks like my machine is waay of square .. and i cant find a square to check it with :/
[08:15:55] <XXCoder> cant make one?
[08:17:48] <archivist> you can make a square on a lathe if you have a micrometer
[08:17:52] <MrSunshine> how the heck would i make a square that has any kind of precision =)
[08:17:59] <MrSunshine> archivist: yes .. but this is over 1200mm
[08:18:02] <XXCoder> I know you can make parallel bar even with badly off mill
[08:18:02] <archivist> how I just said :)
[08:18:11] <XXCoder> not too sure hpow to square sides
[08:18:29] <MrSunshine> checking just a small piece of that isnt of much use imo .. sure i can see some but i do not see the overall state of the machine :/
[08:18:44] <archivist> MrSunshine, you can also use a laser pointer and mirror
[08:18:55] <XXCoder> MrSunshine: you can check squareness by checking corner to opposite corner lengths
[08:19:01] <XXCoder> both crosses should be equal
[08:19:04] <MrSunshine> but then that mirror would have to be at exactly 45 degrees? =)
[08:19:15] <XXCoder> if its not, one being longer it is not squared
[08:19:56] <XXCoder> that method isnt very accurate (you use tape mesture) but should be enough if it is waay off
[08:21:09] <archivist> see http://www.opticaltools.co.uk/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=26&cat=Autocollimator
[08:21:30] <archivist> that and a precision mirror
[08:22:07] <archivist> http://www.brunson.us/metrology-optical-tooling-instrument-techniques/
[08:22:23] <MrSunshine> heh but thats not realy anything i pull out of my arse :P
[08:22:42] <XXCoder> MrSunshine: have you checked lengths?
[08:23:40] <MrSunshine> i guess i could throw a sheet in the machine and do 4 pokes in it and check them that way .. but question is .. how accurate will it be =)
[08:23:47] <archivist> MrSunshine, the older way was a tight wire and distance wire to axis
[08:23:50] <XXCoder> not awesome accurate
[08:24:02] <archivist> also use a level
[08:24:05] <XXCoder> but it will clearly show if it was that badly off true
[08:24:25] <archivist> machinists level to check for twist etc
[08:24:45] <XXCoder> archivist: can use dial indictor for that I guess
[08:24:54] <XXCoder> move it all over area see if its even
[08:25:29] <archivist> for flatness a 3 pointed device with dial indicator at the middle
[08:26:05] <XXCoder> I once used dial indictor to crudely find X length of part without removing part from fixture. it was .001" off from resultant actual size
[08:26:33] <XXCoder> it was 1 3/4 foot long rougly, and no caliper that big
[08:26:40] <XXCoder> 2 foot actually
[08:27:04] <MrSunshine> gonna order a 750mm DIN/2 angle and a 1000mm straight edge i think ... so i have something to measure with
[08:27:05] <archivist> http://what-when-how.com/metrology/alignment-tests-on-lathe-metrology/
[08:27:18] <MrSunshine> but its on back order or what its called so can take anywhere from 3 days to 3 months to get it
[08:27:28] <archivist> do you have a machine level?
[08:28:27] <MrSunshine> yes
[08:28:39] <MrSunshine> but that wont help me much i guess ?
[08:29:21] <MrSunshine> its a flat bed nc machine im working on .. that is standing on a wood floor :P
[08:29:47] <archivist> keep still :)
[08:30:06] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252108037062 for square and level
[08:30:43] <archivist> I had to be very careful where I stood when setting up the 5 axis
[08:31:57] <MrSunshine> ah no, do not have one of those machine squares
[08:31:58] <archivist> and my surface plate is upstairs so a little difficult to use
[08:32:11] <XXCoder> abuse 123 blocks
[08:32:23] <MrSunshine> do not have any 123 blocks either :/
[08:32:34] <XXCoder> really? I bought some cheap
[08:32:37] <archivist> MrSunshine, it does both jobs of being a square and machine level
[08:32:57] <MrSunshine> archivist: yeah .. but thing is that i need a solution NOW not in 1 months time when stuff arives
[08:32:57] <MrSunshine> :/
[08:33:32] <archivist> here I am checking the CMM bed twist http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=cmm+level
[08:35:40] <jthornton> dang something is wrong with my math...
[08:35:57] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00092CJC6?psc=1
[08:36:08] <MrSunshine> i wonder how accurate the sides of my granite block is ... if its 90 degrees and stuff there or if its way of out there
[08:36:30] <XXCoder> MrSunshine: your mill working?
[08:36:47] <MrSunshine> XXCoder: only have a realy small one .. and do not know if that is square ither :P
[08:36:49] <MrSunshine> either
[08:36:54] <XXCoder> if so is there a way to create 90 degree
[08:37:15] <archivist> is this your lathe you are checking?
[08:37:36] <MrSunshine> archivist: no .. a flatbed cnc machine
[08:37:40] <XXCoder> well all machine has bias but since youre cutting all steps at once at same time it will be nice and 90 degree, assuming your tool is stright
[08:37:41] <MrSunshine> X Y squareness
[08:37:53] <archivist> tape measure
[08:38:05] <XXCoder> do a spring cut to be very sure its flat
[08:38:08] <archivist> corner to corner, maths
[08:38:19] <XXCoder> archivist: thats what I suggested a bit ago :)
[08:38:28] <MrSunshine> archivist: yes .. and i guess that can get me quite close and maybe close enough
[08:38:35] <XXCoder> you now have nice and accurate 90 degrees
[08:38:59] <XXCoder> you can use it to make larger 90 degree mesturing tool
[08:39:03] <archivist> as long as sides are the same lengths etc
[08:39:22] <MrSunshine> problem is that i have to do it over and over if i have to tune something ... and that means alot of holes in something :P
[08:39:35] <XXCoder> paper
[08:39:48] <MrSunshine> big frekkin papers :P
[08:39:54] <XXCoder> hmm
[08:40:04] <MrSunshine> but i guess i could poke in papers yes .. and just get a small dot
[08:40:06] <MrSunshine> and measure
[08:40:31] <XXCoder> can tape papers to table yeah
[08:41:18] <archivist> pictures of the machine structure ?
[08:41:21] <XXCoder> well night
[08:41:31] <MrSunshine> archivist: i cant measure from any mechanical parts :/
[08:41:57] <archivist> you should be able to
[08:42:29] <MrSunshine> no .. ive built it .. by hand .. using tape measures, drillpress and angle grinder :P
[08:42:37] <MrSunshine> i know i cant trust very many thingies on it :P
[08:42:55] <archivist> nothing wrong with homebrew
[08:42:58] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1384257_10151923272758648_2037345409_n.jpg?oh=57dc3d1c2cbb9dd8edfbd30e5295da8b&oe=568D885C
[08:43:17] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/1604955_10152153395928648_760491462_n.jpg?oh=9ee0d3d16704f2f488bb3622308d83b8&oe=56D24E5D
[08:43:38] <XXCoder> wow your clearance is hardly taaller than my much smaller one
[08:43:42] <XXCoder> 4 inches?
[08:43:51] <MrSunshine> 90mm
[08:43:55] <MrSunshine> its for cutting sheets
[08:44:13] <XXCoder> your machine has same clearance.
[08:44:17] <XXCoder> makes sense
[08:44:23] <XXCoder> anyway night really going lol
[08:44:46] <MrSunshine> but paper and tape measure i guess has to be it this time
[08:44:51] <archivist> cable stretch, can the machine structure resist being pulled into a parallelogram
[08:44:57] <MrSunshine> as soon as i get a new machine this one is going to become a plasma insted =)
[08:45:50] <archivist> if not add a threaded rod cross corner to corner to make it rigid in the xy plane
[08:46:07] <MrSunshine> archivist: there are some new structures on it now to make the side beams not pull in and the cable is going on bearings in all 4 corners
[08:46:27] <MrSunshine> its there to keep the other end of the machine straight with the world
[08:47:26] <MrSunshine> archivist: but that might not be a bad idea for a upgrade for rigidity
[08:47:28] <archivist> I cant see how the corners are kept fixed
[08:47:39] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/v/t1.0-9/1383492_10151904894628648_353794229_n.jpg?oh=0d3af3657051aa09450d6113a168b268&oe=56945220
[08:47:58] <MrSunshine> theres how the wire goes, it goes in a cross and is fixed to the both ends of the gantry
[08:48:19] <MrSunshine> so both ends are pulled at the same time by just pulling on one side
[08:48:22] <archivist> I see no parallelogram/shear force resisting members
[08:49:19] <MrSunshine> like a draft tables does it
[08:49:23] <MrSunshine> or similiar
[08:50:10] <archivist> basically either a sheet bolted or a cross under the wires in the same direction
[08:51:17] <archivist> I would add two bits of threaded rod to adjust to square
[08:51:19] <MrSunshine> theres alot of stuff this machine could use .. but do not have time atm to start modifying it ... trying to get it squared up acceptably so i can be on my merry way with making some money
[08:52:01] <archivist> well a small delay and no scrap, or carry on making some scrap :)
[08:52:23] <MrSunshine> the machine has already been down 3 days for table upgrade
[08:52:26] <archivist> are the wires tight enough too
[08:52:57] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaI0n521C7E
[08:53:24] <MrSunshine> they have slacked some .. but when you mentioned that i think im going to losen the non driven end to check if it bounces back .. depending on where the cables have slackaned that could be one cause for it to be way off
[08:53:24] <archivist> is there a simple adjustment on one side of the gantry to adjust to square
[08:54:33] <archivist> a wire problem probably will sow as a squareness variation with drive direction
[08:56:12] <MrSunshine> oh well, the tape measure and some checking of the wires etc and it should be good enough for some wood working =)
[09:09:03] <archivist> a builders/carpenters marking out square is probably good enough
[09:09:16] <archivist> local diy place
[09:10:19] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Carpenters-Heavy-Duty-Steel-Framing-Square-400-x-600mm-Marking-Out-Tool-Roofing-/361162568446
[10:06:27] <anomynous> hmhmhm
[10:09:34] <anomynous> i wonder if apt replacement would be tedious to make. like describe profiles and hole places, and describe hole properties for automatic tool selection from library... and maybe something ;D
[10:09:39] <anomynous> itd be cool
[10:10:33] <archivist> take its language and implement a new version
[10:10:59] <anomynous> i have a limited amount of free time and im terribly bad programmer ;D
[10:11:18] <archivist> awww
[10:11:28] <anomynous> how cute. You could do it for me? ;D
[10:11:31] <anomynous> just kiddying
[10:11:49] <archivist> http://www.archivist.info/apt/docs/
[10:11:49] <anomynous> would be phun if someone else would be interested too.
[10:11:53] <anomynous> ah
[10:12:03] <anomynous> thanks
[10:12:09] <anomynous> it is good as a language?
[10:13:02] <anomynous> i guess
[10:13:02] <archivist> not sure, but I suppose it was the first, and lives on hidden under later graphical stuff
[10:13:26] <anomynous> i have nothing against graphical stuff except for price and being complicated to program ;D
[10:14:44] <anomynous> links dont work
[10:15:22] <archivist> a little something I was playing with http://www.archivist.info/apt/aptos/apt360/orig_source/ftnchek/ACALSP.html
[10:15:26] <anomynous> python re module has an example of a parser. I guess I will start with that ;D
[10:17:16] <archivist> the links do work in this version http://www.archivist.info/apt/aptos/apt360/doc/manual/index.html
[10:17:19] <anomynous> you need to put the gotos in a jump table instead of spreading them all over your chart ;D
[10:17:46] <archivist> that is an automated parse of the original code
[10:18:42] <anomynous> you need automatic diagram formatter.
[10:18:50] <anomynous> im tired ;)
[10:21:26] <archivist> that was automatic
[10:22:01] <archivist> very clear compared to the source :)
[10:23:08] <archivist> eg http://www.archivist.info/apt/aptos/apt360/orig_source/ftnchek/ACALSP.FOR
[10:39:59] <PetefromTn_> hello folks whats going on in LinuxCNC land today?
[10:40:23] <zeeshan> howdy
[10:40:30] <PetefromTn_> hey zeeshan
[10:40:31] <archivist> nuffink, I doing some thermal rubbish disposal
[10:40:35] <jthornton> calculating Cartesian coordinates from polar coordinates
[10:40:46] <PetefromTn_> heh okay
[10:40:48] <jthornton> or trying to
[10:41:00] <zeeshan> jthornton: how are you doing it
[10:41:09] <zeeshan> just like x and y
[10:41:11] <zeeshan> into r theta?
[10:41:40] <PetefromTn_> just got a fellow from Poland commenting on my facebook page for my products....;)
[10:41:42] <jthornton> I have the XY start point and the angle and the lengh of the line
[10:41:46] <jthornton> length
[10:41:58] <jthornton> trying to sort out the math
[10:42:05] <PetefromTn_> yesterday I sold two rails one to a fellow in Spain and another to a guy in Mexico
[10:42:13] * jthornton has to work hard at math
[10:42:15] <PetefromTn_> never thought I would have so many international orders
[10:42:25] <jthornton> nice, how do you ship them?
[10:42:31] <zeeshan> the length of the line and theta is all you should need
[10:42:36] <PetefromTn_> usually USPS priority mail international
[10:42:37] <zeeshan> and consider your xy start point as origin
[10:42:54] <zeeshan> then length of line cos angle will give you the x coordinate
[10:43:00] <zeeshan> and length of line sin angle will give you the y
[10:43:20] <zeeshan> (unless i misunderstood :{ )
[10:43:25] <archivist> and add your resultant xy to origin
[10:43:49] <jthornton> that's pretty much what I'm doing I think but it's not coming out right for all angles
[10:44:29] <archivist> some libraries are a bit crap at small angles
[10:44:45] <jthornton> like lenght of 2 and angle of 90 the X should be 0 + the origin and the Y should be -6 + the origin I think
[10:46:18] <archivist> at 0,90,180,270 it is a plain add/subtract from the correct axis, where did you get that 6 from
[10:46:47] <jthornton> it was the lenght of the line
[10:47:06] <jthornton> yea that must be the problem
[10:47:11] <archivist> you just said <jthornton> like lenght of 2 and angle of 90
[10:47:50] <jthornton> I have 6 on my playgound and just picked 2 for an example
[10:49:03] <jthornton> hmm seems to be kinda working now http://play.golang.org/p/LkLP0vo1yI
[10:49:45] <zeeshan> how do you test a 3 phase ac motor :D
[10:49:49] * zeeshan reads about it online
[10:49:53] <zeeshan> 3 phase ac servo
[10:50:51] <jthornton> http://play.golang.org/p/e0-0mGLpud
[10:51:26] <jthornton> I think that is correct...
[10:52:14] <zeeshan> looks good to me :P
[10:52:23] <zeeshan> what language is that
[10:52:28] <zeeshan> looks like c++?
[10:52:32] <jthornton> yea, I'm getting the correct answer now
[10:52:35] <jthornton> golang
[10:52:39] <jthornton> go for short
[10:52:44] <zeeshan> ah
[10:52:49] <jthornton> pretty new
[10:53:50] <MrSunshine> archivist: haha those kinds of squares i have for building stuff .. and they are almost not good enough for that
[10:54:38] <jthornton> ok a bit better http://play.golang.org/p/mBD8fW658p
[10:54:43] <MrSunshine> looks like it wasnt as bad as i thought .. had the vacuum table 1mm off on the frame also .. looks alot better now but will try and measure anyway to see before i start cutting into it =)
[10:55:46] <Akex_> Hy all
[10:56:29] <Akex_> Can i find in var file the tool number on the spindle ? Or not ? Please
[10:56:51] <Sync> zeeshan: measure phase/phase resistance
[10:56:54] <Sync> hipot to case
[10:56:56] <JT-Shop> that should be there
[10:56:59] <zeeshan> i wanna spin
[10:57:04] <zeeshan> the other tests i did :P
[10:57:08] <Sync> just use a vfd
[10:57:10] <Akex_> Thanks JT-Shop
[10:57:22] <Akex_> You are my king JT-Shop ;)
[10:57:48] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/overview.html#sub:numbered-parameters
[10:58:12] <Akex_> JT-Shop: can i reload the tool table without push the buton ? With gcode or other ?
[10:59:41] <JT-Shop> well anyone can answer that lol
[11:00:05] <JT-Shop> G10 L1, L10, and L11 all reload the tool table IIRC
[11:00:29] <Akex_> Anyone want answer me without you ;(
[11:00:55] <Akex_> Ha ok i don t kneaw , it automatic reload
[11:01:01] <archivist> those not doing would have to read the manual for you
[11:01:05] <Akex_> Thanks
[11:01:08] <JT-Shop> halui also has the tool number
[11:01:31] <Akex_> archivist: ... No coment
[11:01:49] * JT-Shop should be doing something...
[11:01:53] <archivist> I Akex_ I dont use those g codes
[11:02:20] <Akex_> Ha ok sorry
[11:02:27] <Akex_> Me i use it
[11:03:46] <archivist> zeeshan, a long one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221904430246
[11:04:14] <Akex_> Ok i understand JT-Shop thanks
[11:05:51] <Akex_> I assume 5400 - Tool Number. Volatile.
[11:06:07] <zeeshan> 0.0005 / 10 in
[11:06:08] <zeeshan> hmm
[11:06:15] <zeeshan> says may not post to canada
[11:06:15] <zeeshan> =[
[11:06:46] <Akex_> If i write that : G10 L10 P#5400 Z0 that right ?
[11:07:27] <archivist> zeeshan, could collect only 25 miles north of me
[11:07:48] <zeeshan> don't want to hassle :P
[11:07:59] <zeeshan> io emailed him
[11:08:04] <zeeshan> saying can you ship to canada
[11:08:11] <zeeshan> lets hope he responds :P
[11:08:32] <archivist> about the first time I have seen an 18" one
[11:28:10] <aventtini6> hellooo
[11:59:08] <zeeshan> ssi around? :)
[12:03:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.hamarlaser.com/index.php/products/continuously-sweeping-lasers/l-741-ultra-precision-leveling-laser-with-plumb-beam-detail.html maybe if these were <$200 handy people would be able to make better better DIY machine tools and 3D printers
[12:05:04] <PetefromTn_> no amount of tech and quality measurement will help make some of these pipe cleaner and chop stix builds better ;)
[12:05:14] <CaptHindsight> or am I overestimating DIYers again
[12:05:26] <PetefromTn_> there you go again...:D
[12:05:39] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Hey now, I buy chop stick by the gross, great for everything.
[12:05:57] <PetefromTn_> yup great for lots of stuff.....just not CNC machines
[12:06:29] <PetefromTn_> I use them to wipe bondo on with and clean up grease goo
[12:07:03] <Jymmm> and they wont scratch things either
[12:07:15] <PetefromTn_> they make a good back scratcher?
[12:07:28] <CaptHindsight> Bondo. Is that the stuff to convert oxidized sheet metal to plastic?
[12:07:40] <Jymmm> Well, I DO have a bamboo backs cratcher, but not from chopsticks
[12:07:54] <PetefromTn_> no that is fiberglass.....bondo is for making BIG holes disappear
[12:08:08] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[12:08:16] <PetefromTn_> I once bought TWO suzuki samurais
[12:08:20] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: does it have the name of an amusement park on it?
[12:08:25] <PetefromTn_> got a great deal on them
[12:08:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yep "Made In China"
[12:08:38] <PetefromTn_> one was a hard top the other a vert
[12:08:52] <PetefromTn_> the hardtop was actually lowered GASP
[12:09:02] <PetefromTn_> and it APPEARED to have some sort of bolt on body kit on it
[12:09:11] <PetefromTn_> had like raised hood areas
[12:09:15] <PetefromTn_> and arched fenders
[12:09:22] <PetefromTn_> but it was pretty rough
[12:09:24] <CaptHindsight> Top 10 items found in a souvenir shop
[12:09:27] <PetefromTn_> so I started sanding it
[12:09:28] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: http://bulk.dollartree.com/shop/Back-Scratcher
[12:09:40] <PetefromTn_> before I realized it the grinder went right thru the bondo
[12:09:47] <PetefromTn_> and then thru MORE bondo
[12:09:51] <PetefromTn_> and then some more
[12:10:08] <PetefromTn_> by this time my whole body is white as is most of my driveway
[12:10:24] <PetefromTn_> an inch or so later I hit this FOAM
[12:10:33] <PetefromTn_> then it goes right down to the metal
[12:10:50] <PetefromTn_> which of course was rusted to death because of the foam that trapped moisture in there
[12:10:55] <CaptHindsight> the art of the bondo wagon
[12:10:57] <PetefromTn_> took me TWO weeks
[12:11:01] <zeeshan> lol
[12:11:03] <PetefromTn_> to remove all that bullshit
[12:11:12] <PetefromTn_> and get it down to a samurai again
[12:11:22] <PetefromTn_> it actually looked pretty good when I was finised!
[12:11:28] <PetefromTn_> finished
[12:11:31] <Wolf_> sounds sorta like my early bronco
[12:11:36] <Wolf_> except no foam
[12:11:58] <CaptHindsight> I like it when people use Bondo rather than a body hammer
[12:12:00] <renesis> haha @ grinding off someones bondo ricer body kit
[12:12:03] <Wolf_> but the front door plates were fully bondo
[12:12:14] <renesis> add 40lb of bondo = +5hp
[12:12:16] <Wolf_> *hinge plates
[12:12:17] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[12:12:22] <PetefromTn_> it was kinda funny actually
[12:12:23] <MrSunshine> hmm, so i tried to cross measure ... given some human error i get it to be 1654.5 and 1653 in the other .. so a total diff of 1.5mm in the cross
[12:12:32] <PetefromTn_> someone put a LOT of work into molding all that shit
[12:12:47] <MrSunshine> how to get that to how much i have to move the axis to get it dead straight? :P
[12:12:54] <PetefromTn_> took a long time to remove it all
[12:13:02] <PetefromTn_> I would have left it if some of it was not damaged
[12:13:08] <PetefromTn_> but in retrospect
[12:13:18] <PetefromTn_> since I lifted it and took it out in the woods to four wheel
[12:13:34] <PetefromTn_> it would have been fairly hilarious the first time I bounced it off a tree or a rock
[12:13:45] <PetefromTn_> to see all that bondo and foam go flying
[12:13:56] <PetefromTn_> hehehe
[12:14:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.lxforums.com/gallery/files/6/4/9/9/ghetto.jpg was it this thick?
[12:14:29] <PetefromTn_> heh probably thicker
[12:14:40] <PetefromTn_> my wife called it the Vatomobile
[12:14:59] <PetefromTn_> I guess down in socal that is a common thing
[12:15:20] <archivist> MrSunshine, about 1/2 the diff
[12:15:32] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Well, They always did great work, doubt I'd see THAT much bondo.
[12:15:48] <MrSunshine> archivist: so im about 0.75mm off from square then ? =)
[12:16:08] <PetefromTn_> jeez man they must bought fifty gallons of that shit for this poor samurai
[12:16:35] <PetefromTn_> speaking of lifted offroad toys
[12:16:42] <PetefromTn_> I was driving in town the other day
[12:16:46] <PetefromTn_> and passed this guy
[12:17:01] <archivist> MrSunshine, but your carriage squareness to table is also adjustable by where you attach to one side of the wire
[12:17:04] <PetefromTn_> he had what looked like a MONSTER rock crawling Isuzu Amigo
[12:17:09] <PetefromTn_> it looked pretty sweet
[12:17:19] <Wolf_> great work? guess you never seen the dumber ones building a house, they used 3 pallets of drywall mud....
[12:17:26] <PetefromTn_> I tried to turn around to chase him down and chat about it
[12:17:35] <Wolf_> in a house across from my moms
[12:17:41] <PetefromTn_> but got caught at a light
[12:17:54] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Heh, the kid (14yo) across the street has 54" tires =)
[12:17:58] <PetefromTn_> Wolf_ I think he means some of the better lowriders
[12:18:23] <PetefromTn_> I ahve seen some SICK custom paint jobs and mods on them
[12:18:23] <Jymmm> what PetefromTn_ said
[12:18:41] <PetefromTn_> some of their air brushing is phenominal
[12:18:50] <Wolf_> yeah, but most of them aren’t build worth a shit
[12:18:50] <PetefromTn_> if you like that scene
[12:19:07] <PetefromTn_> I used to be into mini trucks when I was a kid
[12:19:10] <MrSunshine> so adjust it away from the "long" measurment and towards the short by about 0.75mm .. i can do that .. i hop
[12:19:13] <MrSunshine> e
[12:19:13] <Jymmm> Bullshit... http://xmanshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Lowrider-Night-3rd-Ave-cruise_0022.jpg
[12:19:22] <PetefromTn_> loved the lowrider mini toyotas and chevys
[12:19:27] <Wolf_> but in this area most of them are dumb as a box of rocks
[12:19:45] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah old school rides are sweet too
[12:19:59] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say I kinda like that amigo when built right
[12:20:00] <Jymmm> I think there are more custom shops in SoCal than anywhere else in the US
[12:20:08] <PetefromTn_> reminds me of a longer samurai
[12:20:13] <PetefromTn_> with four REAL seats LOL
[12:20:31] <PetefromTn_> I actually meant WAY south cal
[12:20:37] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[12:21:23] <PetefromTn_> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachments/isuzu/925954d1371339484-facelift-my-amigo-001.jpg I swear I would daily drive this :D
[12:22:05] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Till the gas bill came in =)
[12:22:17] <PetefromTn_> its just a four or six
[12:22:30] <PetefromTn_> I literally daily drove my lifted samurai's for years
[12:22:34] <PetefromTn_> one was on 35's
[12:22:42] <PetefromTn_> its all in the gearing
[12:22:48] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: It's a samuri, aka tin can
[12:22:58] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: pot metal (iterally)
[12:23:05] <Jymmm> literally*
[12:23:08] <PetefromTn_> toughest pot metal car I ever owned
[12:23:15] <PetefromTn_> seriously
[12:23:26] <Jymmm> only pot pmetal car in existance I think =)
[12:23:26] <PetefromTn_> I BEAT THE SHIT out of those trucks
[12:23:35] <PetefromTn_> never had any problems
[12:24:02] <PetefromTn_> usually wheeled all weekend and then pressure washed it so I could drive it to work the next day LOL
[12:24:22] <Jymmm> It's funny, noody wanted them for frear of tipping, now being made into wheelers =)
[12:24:37] <PetefromTn_> it is hilarious actually
[12:24:47] <PetefromTn_> they are hugely popular all around the world
[12:24:56] <PetefromTn_> they make long wheelbase versions
[12:25:00] <Jymmm> There are a few I see around town
[12:25:07] <PetefromTn_> and they sell em like hotcakes
[12:25:15] <PetefromTn_> but here in the US
[12:25:25] <PetefromTn_> one ad from consumer reports and they are done
[12:25:30] <PetefromTn_> ridiculous
[12:26:03] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkJRY7DBeRs
[12:27:10] <Jymmm> hahahaha
[12:27:44] <PetefromTn_> hehe try that in a Toyota four runner and it would have been a rollover
[12:28:57] <anomynous> why would anyone try that unless the car was a toy?
[12:29:38] <renesis> how do you know it wasnt?
[12:29:48] <PetefromTn_> Oh it was
[12:29:50] <anomynous> its possible to tip it when dodging, but that doesn't count anyway because no one has filmed it.
[12:29:53] <PetefromTn_> so was mine :D
[12:30:09] <renesis> what rock crawler isnt
[12:30:13] <PetefromTn_> I have literally owned like six of them
[12:30:29] <PetefromTn_> never had one close to tipping on the street and I drove it like I stole it
[12:30:38] <PetefromTn_> most of mine were lifted on huge tires too
[12:30:41] <anomynous> literally? Do you normally own them by borrowing and then tipping them?
[12:30:52] <Wolf_> well designed rock crawler won’t have too much higher of a CG
[12:30:54] <PetefromTn_> I did flop one on its side on the trail
[12:31:17] <PetefromTn_> we just got out and pushed it back on its wheels, got back in, and finished the trail
[12:31:49] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TORsReXnd24 this is a pretty nice one
[12:34:05] <Wolf_> add bad enough driver and they can flip anything from what I have seen
[12:35:26] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/NvMMLDR.jpg
[12:35:27] <renesis> anything with bouncy suspension
[12:35:43] <Wolf_> you would be surprised at the things I’ve had to roll back over...
[12:35:57] <renesis> ha
[12:37:20] <Wolf_> corvette (soft top), lamborghini diablo are two of the odder things
[12:38:34] <Wolf_> lamb didn’t get rolled back on to the tires at the scene, it went on the roll back with the greasy side up
[12:40:32] <renesis> wait you just dragged an upside down diablo onto a truck?
[12:40:45] <Wolf_> yup
[12:40:51] <renesis> heh, cool
[12:41:16] <Wolf_> couldn’t get the damn thing to flip back up, didn’t have enough stuff on the truck
[12:42:13] <Wolf_> guy flipped it on a 35mph street
[12:44:16] <CaptHindsight> someone once flipped a cargo van in the alley behind my house, hit a fence perfectly and there was only ~2ft of clearance on each side
[12:45:11] <CaptHindsight> think they had to get a crane to lift it and right it
[12:45:19] <PetefromTn_> I have never flipped a vehilcle. Don't really want to try it :D
[12:45:39] <PetefromTn_> I had a friend who built this tube crawler locally
[12:45:50] <PetefromTn_> he used to TRY to flip it every time we went wheeling
[12:46:18] <CaptHindsight> was similar to the scene in Up in Smoke, tires screeching and when the smoke clears there's no clearance between the bumpers of the cars
[12:46:23] <PetefromTn_> even when I flopped my samurai on the trail that time it was kind of a gentle flop
[12:46:44] <PetefromTn_> just kinda tried to climb this muddy wet wall
[12:46:54] <PetefromTn_> and it got the front tires up on it
[12:46:58] <PetefromTn_> then started slipping
[12:47:03] <PetefromTn_> rolled backwards
[12:47:17] <PetefromTn_> right rear tire hit a big ass rock
[12:47:29] <PetefromTn_> and we were already on a considerable angle
[12:47:39] <PetefromTn_> so it just kinda rolled over slowly
[12:47:52] <PetefromTn_> just dented the top of the door frame a little
[12:48:08] <PetefromTn_> scratched the paint on the targa bar
[12:48:15] <PetefromTn_> no biggie
[12:48:27] <PetefromTn_> as they say....chicks dig body damage :D
[12:48:38] <Wolf_> :D
[12:50:31] <PetefromTn_> I really miss that kind of wheeling
[12:50:42] <PetefromTn_> its lots of fun
[12:52:33] <PetefromTn_> http://winstonsalem.craigslist.org/cto/5207496856.html This looks like a fun truck
[12:56:15] <PetefromTn_> needs MOAR steel tho bumpers, sliders, racks, rollcages....!
[12:58:56] <Wolf_> exo cage that thing
[12:59:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah man.. gotsta protect that shiny sheetmetal!
[13:00:09] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy1kif7wJ8M
[14:56:56] <malcom2073> Got my spindle turning, and X/Y steppers hooked up and ready to go
[14:57:17] <Wolf_> sweet
[14:57:27] <malcom2073> My dad had a $20 2.2KW vfd that seems to work fine
[14:57:34] <malcom2073> Gotta love ebay
[14:57:50] <MrSunshine> how the heck do you know how much flowrate you need for x size table in a vacuum table
[14:58:38] <MrSunshine> that is, how big of a pump to draw vacuum in a 1200x1200 table ...
[14:59:09] <Sync> calculate your desired pressure
[14:59:15] <Sync> then your orfice area
[14:59:19] <Sync> and then you get your flow
[14:59:42] <MrSunshine> well how do i know the orifice area with a bleeder board :P
[15:00:10] <Sync> your know your worst case
[15:01:08] <Connor> I built a little 12" x 8" vacuum table.
[15:01:35] <Connor> Uses my big shop vac.
[15:01:44] <MrSunshine> well, bleeder board .. that would be full open then i guess, ... maybe 50% cut throught in a bad case .. and the preasure i dont know realy .. atm ive tried with industrial vacuum and that holds sheets hard (without bleeder board)
[15:02:04] <MrSunshine> but looking at regenerative blowers now ... not as expensive as i thought realy
[15:02:23] <Connor> MrSunshine: Give it a go with the vacuum first and see how it does.
[15:02:24] <MrSunshine> tho would take some time to get the investment back .. but with shorter clamping times and stuff work would go alot smoother =)
[15:02:30] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> you around?
[15:02:47] <Connor> Most large ones I've seen use a vacuum pump with a tank.
[15:03:36] <SpeedEvil> A shopvac can get up to 30% of atmosphere - and great flow.
[15:03:39] <Connor> Wait. Doh.. Your talking vacuum table.. for some reason I was thinking vacuum form table..
[15:04:26] <Connor> Still half asleep.
[15:05:51] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil: mine does like 1/3rd of what a blower does in both vacuum and flow
[15:17:05] <OhmEye> vacuum tables are for holding materials down only, not for dust collection, right?
[15:18:37] <MrSunshine> OhmEye: yes
[15:18:51] <MrSunshine> but i guess some small particles could find its way throught the bleeder
[15:20:11] <SpeedEvil> spindle motor?
[15:20:14] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMQjcukphpA 300kw
[15:20:29] <OhmEye> thanks. I'm not clear on how it works in practice. the material to be milled is clamped or taped to sacrificial material, and the vacuum holds down the sacrificial material?
[15:21:01] <SpeedEvil> OhmEye: Or you can have complex gasketed fittings
[15:21:45] <Jymmm> Whats good to recondition a leather hatchet sheath?
[15:22:06] <Wolf_> lexol
[15:22:49] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Nah, I'm being cheap here. Oil of some kind?
[15:23:07] <OhmEye> thanks. I'll look for some examples. Seems to me the vacuum table needs the entire surface covered to get a good seal, plus can eat quite a bit of Z range so something I probably won't be doing, but am curious how people do it
[15:36:34] <MrSunshine> OhmEye: you just throw the sheet in on a bleeder vacuum bed
[15:36:51] <MrSunshine> no gaskets .. just a heck of alot of air flow
[15:38:21] <OhmEye> MrSunshine: is it common to not use a sheet of sacrificial material?
[15:38:43] <MrSunshine> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTCdFlHN17o first test of the plentum on my table . gonna see how it works with a bleeder tomorrow, the square holding it down is about 60x60cm and calculated force of about 500kg holding the sheet down =)
[15:38:52] <MrSunshine> im tugging quite hard on it to move it =)
[15:39:04] <MrSunshine> harder than my clamps would ever hold the sheet =)
[15:39:23] <MrSunshine> OhmEye: well with alot of flow you should not need to fix the material to something
[15:39:23] <OhmEye> I can see how it is ideal for routing only, I'm unsure how convenient it is for cutting
[15:39:48] <MrSunshine> OhmEye: ah for cnc applications its all about gaskets and real good vacuum =)
[15:39:48] <OhmEye> yeah, but cutting into the vacuum table I assume is not desired
[15:39:59] <MrSunshine> OhmEye: thereby a bleeder board
[15:40:06] <os1r1s> OhmEye: Hey stranger
[15:40:26] <MrSunshine> a pourous sacrificial board .. so i guess there is an extra board there :P
[15:40:29] <OhmEye> oh, gotcha. bleeder board is sacrificial. makes sense now ,thanks
[15:40:36] <OhmEye> hi os1r1s :)
[15:40:43] <Jymmm> OhmEye: Instead of doing a "grid", I've sene some that do a lot of "crosses" (+) with a hole in the middel.
[15:41:10] <Jymmm> OhmEye: Then if you cut into it, there is still some "grip" area
[15:41:18] <os1r1s> OhmEye: What size part?
[15:41:23] <OhmEye> yeah, makes total sense now
[15:41:35] <OhmEye> os1r1s: just general curiosity atm
[15:41:57] <OhmEye> I don't think I really have enough Z to do a vacuum table
[15:42:02] <MrSunshine> OhmEye: yeah, and open so the vacuum can be sucked throught it =)
[15:43:00] <OhmEye> one vacuum for dust will do for now for me but I'm early in the learning curve
[15:43:09] <MrSunshine> and good thing about vacuum table for router is that sheets are not flat .. but with vacuum table .. they become flat :P
[15:44:02] <MrSunshine> had to build one for a job i got in now ... will have screw inserts for clamping manualy also on the table =)
[15:44:05] <OhmEye> this is just a chinese 3020 and I have little enough Z to even change bits without adding table height, heh
[15:44:42] <Nick001-shop> <pcw_home>
[15:44:56] <Jymmm> OhmEye: how much Z ?
[15:44:57] <OhmEye> I did get first motion and first program run last night though.
[15:44:58] <os1r1s> OhmEye: I use one of these .... http://www.clampusystems.com/SMART.html
[15:45:01] <MrSunshine> OhmEye: hehe .. im losing like 25 - 30mm of Z travel on this mod
[15:45:16] <OhmEye> Jymmm: about 30mm usable Z atm
[15:45:18] <MrSunshine> if it comes to it i will space up the Z or the whole X/Y/Z assembly
[15:45:38] <OhmEye> I had to move the spindle up to get that much, heh
[15:45:39] <Jymmm> OhmEye: is your base rigid?
[15:45:46] <OhmEye> Jymmm: yes
[15:46:02] <Jymmm> OhmEye: just use 1/8" material for the vacuum table
[15:46:04] <OhmEye> it's a typical cnc3020Z
[15:47:13] <OhmEye> Jymmm: I'll consider the options, thanks
[15:47:44] <Jymmm> OhmEye: what are you routing?
[15:48:36] <OhmEye> Jymmm: just cutting CF plate mostly, I hope
[15:48:39] <MrSunshine> ive needver needed a vacuum table for work before but now ive got one that has some precise angles etc on the sides of parts and they need to be held real flat, else i would go with tabs and just clamps =)
[15:49:12] <Jymmm> OhmEye: ah
[15:51:07] <OhmEye> the specs claim 60mm Z, but it's really more like 45mm, and with some MDF down it's more like 30mm, so I have to raise Z all the way to have enough room to slip bits in/out
[15:51:49] <OhmEye> works fine, just somewhat tight
[15:52:07] <OhmEye> I'm hoping to minimize tool changes anyway
[15:54:15] <OhmEye> I do want to figure out how to control spindle speed with linuxcnc though. I supposedly have PWM control but it doesn't seem to work as I have it set up
[15:56:10] <OhmEye> I have the sherline parallel port pin setup which is working for everything else so I think that's right but not sure of other PWM settings. I haven't looked into it yet and am still running the spindle with the manual control
[16:00:14] <jthornton> ssi, you about?
[16:27:56] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/6aAVL7M inefficient water pumping.
[16:28:20] <jthornton> tjt
[16:29:47] <jthornton> I wonder if I should create a new slice after searching the old slice for the elements in the order that I want them...\
[16:30:21] <zeeshan> do you americanas
[16:30:24] <zeeshan> have tomorrow off?
[16:30:30] <zeeshan> or is your next weekend the long weekend
[16:30:43] <jthornton> dunno, I'm self employed
[16:30:59] <jthornton> I have next friday and monday off cause my wife said so
[16:34:30] <jthornton> post office has the day off
[16:39:37] <Tom_itx> what is tomorrow?
[16:40:10] <Wolf_> lost spaniard day
[16:47:18] <XXCoderMill> heys
[16:47:42] <XXCoderMill> I have adjusted so it runs lot better but it still jams randomly :(
[16:48:11] <XXCoderMill> it ran at 500 mm/s^2 accel fine but later 50 mm/s^2 jams
[16:48:49] <XXCoderMill> or maybe stall is better word
[16:51:27] <Deejay> gn8
[16:55:17] <zeeshan> thanksgiving up here
[16:55:19] <XXCoderMill> guess nobody knows
[16:55:30] <XXCoderMill> nice
[16:56:02] <zeeshan> XXCoderMill: you might have screw binding?
[16:56:13] <zeeshan> there is a lot of reasons why that could happen :P
[16:56:15] <zeeshan> maybe jitter too?
[16:56:23] <XXCoderMill> how do I tell? motor sounds really rough when resetting
[16:56:35] <zeeshan> take the motor off
[16:56:38] <zeeshan> and try to turn it by hand
[16:56:46] <zeeshan> do you have 2 motor per axis
[16:56:46] <zeeshan> or 2
[16:56:47] <zeeshan> er
[16:56:48] <zeeshan> 1
[16:56:54] <XXCoderMill> one yeah
[16:57:03] <zeeshan> okay, i would really check for binding
[16:57:03] <XXCoderMill> ok lemme remove one
[16:57:06] <zeeshan> and eliminate any mechanical causes
[17:02:44] <Wolf_> this is why big steppers are nice, binding, no problem when you have enough torque to break shit http://i.imgur.com/GnZe96O.jpg
[17:06:41] <MrSunshine> hahaha
[17:06:43] <MrSunshine> n1 =)
[17:06:58] <MrSunshine> i wanna upgrade my steppers to easy servos
[17:07:04] <MrSunshine> but big investment
[17:07:28] <Wolf_> I have servo motors but everyone is telling me they are too big
[17:21:53] <jthornton> now I need to pick through the slice until the slice is empty
[17:23:13] <XXCoderMill> Wolf_: lol
[17:23:18] <XXCoderMill> hey zeeshan
[17:23:40] <XXCoderMill> I finally removed it I dont have quite correct tool for antibacklash coupler bolts lol
[17:25:06] <XXCoderMill> zeeshan: x axis ballscrews move very smoothly
[17:25:18] <XXCoderMill> can easily turn by fingers
[17:27:17] <XXCoderMill> .. what the hell
[17:27:39] <XXCoderMill> trying to put what happened into words
[17:27:44] <Wolf_> could be odd resonance issue
[17:28:17] <pcw_home> Yeah, stalls at low accelerations may be caused by resonance
[17:28:26] <XXCoderMill> at 400 mm s limit, 50 mm/s^2 accel
[17:28:45] <XXCoderMill> it starts with bit roughness, smoothly increases
[17:29:01] <pcw_home> thats _very_ slow accel
[17:29:07] <XXCoderMill> then it makes noises I can still feel it ngoing but coupler dont turn
[17:29:33] <pcw_home> what uStep ratio?
[17:29:39] <XXCoderMill> it feels really roughly again and it starts to spin again
[17:30:13] <XXCoderMill> ustep is called what in stepconf?
[17:30:58] <pcw_home> microstep ratio maybe, not sure
[17:31:13] * pcw_home doesnt use stepconf much
[17:31:15] <XXCoderMill> its 2
[17:31:23] <pcw_home> try higher
[17:31:31] <XXCoderMill> tb6560 is set to 2 microstep too
[17:31:35] <XXCoderMill> ok
[17:31:54] <pcw_home> 1/2 stepping is going to be as smooth as a pig on stilts
[17:31:58] <XXCoderMill> 16 feels... nasty ow
[17:32:23] <Wolf_> don’t forget to power cycle the stepper driver
[17:32:33] <Wolf_> after setting step ratio on it
[17:33:06] <XXCoderMill> actually wantesd to ask this
[17:33:22] <XXCoderMill> is it safe to power off tb6560 while pc is on? and power it on?
[17:33:26] <XXCoderMill> dont wanna fry something
[17:33:40] <Wolf_> yeah thats fine
[17:33:54] <Wolf_> I power down my drivers all the time with the pc on
[17:35:31] <XXCoderMill> whats sane velocity and accel limits for 3a steppers?
[17:35:39] <XXCoderMill> nema23 if that matters
[17:36:02] <Wolf_> a lot depends...
[17:36:19] <pcw_home> yeah, how long is a string...
[17:36:42] <XXCoderMill> at 50/500 and microstep 1 it works fine but turning around feels hmm loud
[17:37:33] <pcw_home> 1? full steps?
[17:37:40] <XXCoderMill> yeah testing stuff
[17:38:18] <XXCoderMill> while its moving one direction its smooth but turning around for other direction it feels loud but not nasty like before
[17:38:24] <pcw_home> normally you increase the ustep ratio to reduce resonance effects
[17:39:17] <pcw_home> if its different forward and back that sounds like a mechancal issue
[17:39:55] <XXCoderMill> no
[17:40:05] <XXCoderMill> its changing direction not any specific direction
[17:40:15] <XXCoderMill> deaccel then accerate other way
[17:40:29] <XXCoderMill> oh I changed wrong setting
[17:40:49] <XXCoderMill> dip 1 and 2 is percents 0%, 25, 50 and 100%. 100% now I guess
[17:40:59] <XXCoderMill> unknown what it means as it doesnt say
[17:41:13] <XXCoderMill> http://www.sostafiera.it/tb6560.pdf
[17:41:17] <Wolf_> maybe current limiting
[17:41:44] <XXCoderMill> 100% current
[17:41:52] <XXCoderMill> maybe it wasnt getting enough
[17:42:12] <XXCoderMill> I set microstep to 2 and it seems fine (1 wasntt right as it was still 2 on board)
[17:43:16] <Wolf_> TB650 :(
[17:43:26] <Wolf_> er 6560
[17:43:28] <XXCoderMill> 6560
[17:43:31] <XXCoderMill> but yeah
[17:43:40] <XXCoderMill> weell it was $120 kit lol
[17:43:48] <XXCoderMill> lemme try 4 microstep
[17:44:25] <pcw_home> the more the merrier until you run out of velocity
[17:47:00] <Wolf_> handy info
[17:47:08] <Wolf_> I should re-tune my x1
[17:47:21] <pcw_home> (or step driver input bandwidth if your step generator can outrun the driver)
[17:48:01] <XXCoderMill> no 4 trying 1/8 step
[17:49:58] <XXCoderMill> not very good
[17:50:07] <XXCoderMill> I can sett its skipping constantly
[17:50:25] <XXCoderMill> it speeds up, then slow down to even speed missing certain number of steps
[17:51:27] <Wolf_> XXCoderMill: could get some drivers http://www.walmart.com/ip/Nema-23-1.8-Degree-CNC-Stepping-Stepper-Motor-41mm-2A-78oz.in-w-MB450A-Driver/46935078
[17:52:12] <XXCoderMill> yeah not buying from walmart even if sellers arent em
[17:53:03] <renesis> also that is a really short nema23
[17:53:14] <Wolf_> throw the motor away
[17:53:23] <Wolf_> drive is worth $36
[17:53:26] <renesis> xxcodermill: you tried adjusting gibs and backlash nuts?
[17:53:53] <XXCoderMill> renesis: its motor config issue not frame problem
[17:53:56] <renesis> this always had the most effect on my speeds on the taig
[17:54:09] <renesis> kk
[17:55:03] <Wolf_> XXCoderMill: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA27C1P09246
[17:55:50] <renesis> that motor seems a lot less pussy
[17:56:23] <XXCoderMill> not bad but I'll make it work as it will evenually be reused for something else while cnc router has better ones in future
[17:56:52] <Wolf_> same drivers http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA27C25S7447
[18:01:29] <jdh> are tehy ever in stock?
[18:02:19] <Wolf_> yeah they put about 5 in stock every few days
[18:02:36] <XXCoderMill> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/27-driver-boards/25875-problem-driving-steppers-problem-with-tb6560
[18:05:44] <jdh> who had the cheap 48vdc power supplies?
[18:05:54] <Wolf_> same seller
[18:06:04] <jdh> newegg or walmart?
[18:06:06] <Wolf_> on newegg and walmart
[18:06:10] <Wolf_> both
[18:06:30] <XXCoderMill> 40 mm/s seem to be limit
[18:06:53] <XXCoderMill> hm
[18:07:15] <XXCoderMill> when I set microstep to 8, do I need to 4x the max velocity too?
[18:07:52] <XXCoderMill> 1000 mm/s^2 accel works but im pretty sure it skips steps on changing direction
[18:11:02] <pcw_home> stepconf does the calcs so you can just change the ustep ratio (but notice the "pulse rate at maximum speed field" number
[18:11:37] <XXCoderMill> cool
[18:11:44] <XXCoderMill> trying to figure best accel value
[18:11:48] <XXCoderMill> gonna go soon though
[18:12:59] <Wolf_> jdh: http://www.walmart.com/ip/46914656
[18:13:25] <XXCoderMill> http://www.shapeoko.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=758
[18:13:32] <XXCoderMill> it suggests 800mm/min
[18:13:37] <XXCoderMill> around 13 mm/s
[18:13:40] <XXCoderMill> ^2
[18:16:12] <XXCoderMill> 15 accel feels very nasty so clearly not it
[18:16:17] <XXCoderMill> no stall so far
[18:18:55] <XXCoderMill> interesting
[18:19:06] <XXCoderMill> at 100mm/s and 70 mm/s^2
[18:19:17] <XXCoderMill> I waited till it reached max speed
[18:19:20] <XXCoderMill> I could stop it by hand
[18:20:39] <XXCoderMill> I could turn it by hand on hold, but not easily
[18:22:19] <malcom2073> Wolf_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkuNPsG62DQ
[18:22:44] <XXCoderMill> I guess motors may be bad
[18:23:51] <Wolf_> sweet malcom2073
[18:24:37] <t12> i bought a set of mitutoyo telescoping gauges
[18:24:47] <t12> pretty sure these are STI gauges with mitotoyo stamp
[18:28:38] <malcom2073> Wolf_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8J6UnlujOc VFD works too! :-D
[18:29:47] <Wolf_> sweet
[18:38:40] <PetefromTn_> looks good malcolm
[18:39:11] <JT-Shop> guess I have to watch
[18:40:42] <PetefromTn_> what size steppers are those and what hardware?
[18:40:48] <JT-Shop> getting the BlueWing ready for the trip
[18:40:54] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Dude, I got a woound up rubberband that can do that *eeeesh* <rolls eyes>
[18:41:21] <Jymmm> malcom2073: =)
[18:41:36] <malcom2073> Nema 34 1600oz/inch, and an Anaheim Automation 3 axis stepper drive
[18:41:40] <malcom2073> Jymmm: I do too now! :P
[18:41:51] <Jymmm> malcom2073: I'm hoping that wasn't the first time you ramped it up like that =)
[18:42:04] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Haha, no, I did some low speed tests first, making sure the drive belt was seated, etc etc
[18:42:30] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Cool, it sounded like it was about to take off with or without you
[18:42:43] <malcom2073> It's so quiet compared to my dads, his sounds like a tin can full of marbles
[18:42:57] <malcom2073> The was running the spindle around 2800rpm
[18:43:04] <malcom2073> Erm no, higher I think
[18:43:20] <Jymmm> He's gonna be jealous and over all the time. You better put a credit card swipe on it =)
[18:43:23] <malcom2073> Nah, only 2800
[18:43:32] <malcom2073> Haha nah, he likes his mill
[18:44:03] <PetefromTn_> looks like it is ready to make some damn chips!!
[18:44:06] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Toss on a keypad, like this...
[18:44:26] <malcom2073> It's missing the Z axis stepper, need to make an adapter plate for that (different than X and Y of course), and then yeah, it'll be ready for chips
[18:44:42] <malcom2073> Have to run new air lines to the drawbar impact though, they're rotted out first
[18:45:00] <Jymmm> malcom2073: http://imgur.com/0o4jXma
[18:45:14] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Haha
[18:47:28] <t12> hum
[18:47:39] <t12> the headstock of this lathe appears to be mounted to the bed
[18:47:44] <t12> with a layer of paint inbetween
[18:47:52] <t12> maybe that has something to do with the non-accuracy i'm seeing heh
[18:48:06] <Jymmm> t12: the paint is the glue that binds =)
[18:49:05] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[18:49:11] <SpeedEvil> Structural or non-structural paint.
[18:49:28] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: high grade metric paint
[18:50:02] <PetefromTn_> Well my wife broke out the Halloween stuff! Pretty cool...
[18:50:54] <t12> advanced machinists paint
[18:50:56] <t12> airforce paint?
[18:50:59] <t12> aerospace grade paint?
[18:51:14] <Wolf_> weasel snot paint
[18:51:16] <Jymmm> t12: finger paint
[18:57:26] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: was you asking me?
[18:58:29] <XXCoder> h you wanst lol
[18:59:51] <PetefromTn_> asking you what?
[19:00:03] <XXCoder> motor size
[19:01:17] <XXCoder> if you are curious anyway, 3 x Nema23 Stepper Motor with 110Ncm,1.8°,3.0A 4wires 23HS6430 lol
[19:04:16] <PetefromTn_> no I was asking malcom
[19:04:30] <XXCoder> I know, I figured that lol
[19:49:24] <t12> hum no its not fully painted
[19:49:27] <t12> a little under the front
[19:49:30] <t12> not sure what to think of that
[19:51:05] <XXCoder> toguepaint
[19:51:37] <SpeedEvil> painted with the headstock in place, wicked?
[19:51:44] <t12> yeah maybe
[19:51:56] <XXCoder> wet hair with paint and rock on
[19:52:06] <t12> i gotta get something set up to really lift the headstock up and inspect the headstock surface
[19:53:51] <SpeedEvil> t12: large machine?
[20:14:34] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, got a favorite wearable flashlight?
[20:20:19] <t12> nah
[20:20:32] <t12> bottom of headstock looks like someone ground it in with an angle grinder
[20:21:10] * SpeedEvil finds single AA headlights fine.
[20:21:57] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dx.com/p/high-power-ultra-bright-cree-q3-3-mode-110-lumen-led-headlamp-with-camouflage-pouch-1-aa-1-14500-52684 stylee
[20:22:25] <SpeedEvil> (not this particular one)
[20:22:38] <Tom_itx> battery life?
[20:22:56] <SpeedEvil> From memory, about 5 hours on low, 1 on high
[20:23:06] <SpeedEvil> eneloop
[20:23:25] <SpeedEvil> I keep meaning to make my own, but suffer from feature-creep.
[20:23:31] <SpeedEvil> 'wouldn't eye-tracking be nice'
[20:23:39] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[20:24:58] <Tom_itx> http://www.atwoods.com/flash-lights/dorcy-international-headlight-aa.htm
[20:26:07] <SpeedEvil> I find 3AAA ones really annoying, as you now have to find and manage three cells
[20:27:07] <Tom_itx> indicated 13hr run time
[20:27:10] <Tom_itx> was what i saw
[20:28:02] <Tom_itx> but fumbling around for batteries can be a hassle
[20:28:28] <Tom_itx> maybe a usb rechargeable one..
[20:28:45] <SpeedEvil> http://www.fenixlight.com/ProductSeries.aspx?cid=2&tid=27
[20:34:52] <PetefromTn_> jeez man anyone know why my onkyo home theater system can access my pc and show music files etc but when i click to play it says you do not have permission to access this server?
[20:35:15] <PetefromTn_> REALLY ANNOYING
[20:35:55] <SpeedEvil> RIAA
[20:36:33] <PetefromTn_> whats RIAA
[20:37:33] <XXCoder> the masters of music
[20:37:56] <t12> sigh china
[20:38:00] <PetefromTn_> well the damn thing can access my wife's laptop and play music in there okay but it wont do mine
[20:38:33] <PetefromTn_> like I said it SEES all the music files etc
[20:38:54] <PetefromTn_> but when you try to play it says do not have permission to access this server
[20:39:01] <t12> lol yeah they just didnt even finish the headstock mating V ways
[20:39:05] <PetefromTn_> Im thinking it is a setting in my PC
[20:41:38] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/turr1pxfwkfim0j/AADZnhkYUPE_XUf1hChiwwwqa?dl=0
[20:42:16] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: Sounds like you don't have read permissions for that user
[20:42:38] <malcom2073> Seeing and accessing files are two different permissions
[20:42:41] <PetefromTn_> how do I fix that?
[20:43:13] <PetefromTn_> like I said it works from my wife's PC listening to smashing pumpkins right now thru hers
[20:43:22] <malcom2073> Are you on a homegroup/domain?
[20:43:26] <PetefromTn_> my PC has TONS of music on it
[20:43:28] <malcom2073> Windows/Linux/what?
[20:43:34] <PetefromTn_> windows 8
[20:43:45] <PetefromTn_> no homegroup I think
[20:43:54] <PetefromTn_> just LAN
[20:44:22] <XXCoder> cant figure head or tails out of this http://motion.schneider-electric.com/downloads/quickreference/NEMA23.pdf
[20:44:27] <malcom2073> Do you have a password to log into your PC (the one that shares the files)
[20:44:34] <PetefromTn_> I can see the Onkyo in my network and sharing center
[20:45:11] <malcom2073> And do you have guest access enabled to the share?
[20:45:47] <PetefromTn_> not sure
[20:45:50] <PetefromTn_> where is that?
[20:46:05] <malcom2073> In windows 8, unsure, google for that one. I know in windows 7 it's in the folder properties for the folder that is shared
[20:46:33] <malcom2073> If you have no password, you have to enable guest access to access the files. If you have a password, you can use that to access the shares without enabling guest access
[20:47:29] <malcom2073> Windows -> Windows sharing works differently than Linux (Home theatre system) -> Windows, especially with homegroups
[20:47:38] <PetefromTn_> ok
[20:48:02] <PetefromTn_> that might be it because my wife has a password on hers she set it up before I could tell here NOT to LOL
[20:48:17] <PetefromTn_> I hate freaking passwords on pcs
[20:48:25] <malcom2073> No password == no sharing
[20:48:28] <malcom2073> it's a security thing
[20:49:14] <PetefromTn_> should I create a homegroup instead?
[20:49:46] <malcom2073> won't help the home theatre thing
[20:49:54] <PetefromTn_> sheet
[20:49:58] <malcom2073> Better off enabling guest access to shares
[20:50:02] <malcom2073> which fwiw, is totally insecure :P
[20:50:14] <PetefromTn_> oh nice
[20:50:28] <malcom2073> Eh, you don't have a password on your PC so you don't care about security anyway hehe
[20:51:13] <XXCoder> malcom2073: i usually do but thats because kids live in same house
[20:51:34] <PetefromTn_> I don't care because nobody else messes with my PC
[20:51:36] <XXCoder> even if I live alone I'd still use password
[20:51:43] <malcom2073> I do because I have wifi
[20:51:51] <PetefromTn_> so do I
[20:51:59] <XXCoder> malcom2073: whats that got to do with pc password
[20:52:24] <malcom2073> XXCoder: It's another layer of security to slow down anyone who wants in, and wifi is easy remote access
[20:53:05] <XXCoder> my wifi security is pretty heavy
[20:54:12] <PetefromTn_> okay enabled guest account
[20:54:22] <malcom2073> Not guest account, guest access to shares
[20:54:23] <PetefromTn_> still won't let me play my damn songs LOL
[20:55:18] * Tom_itx hacks PetefromTn_'s pc
[20:56:36] <PetefromTn_> in create password it says if you do this you will lose all EFS encrypted files, personal certificates, and stored passwords for websites etc....WTF>
[20:56:49] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx come on in man the water's fine ;)
[20:56:54] <XXCoder> excryption is dermined by password
[20:57:00] <XXCoder> it generates key based on that
[20:57:26] <XXCoder> key is still generated on blank password too
[20:57:39] <Tom_itx> windows doesn't want you to be able to use your pc. they want it for storing updates
[20:57:55] <XXCoder> I dont use windows anymore
[20:58:06] <Tom_itx> i use both
[20:58:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah yeah I don't need to hear about how windows sucks I need to figure out how to play my damn music LOL
[20:58:30] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: linux on pc was supposed to be temp while I wait for windows 10
[20:58:32] <XXCoder> now? fuk it
[20:58:43] <Tom_itx> dos6.22, nt4, vista, 7, 8, debian, ubuntu, wheezy....
[20:59:04] <Tom_itx> you probably don't want 10 anyway
[20:59:30] <XXCoder> windows 3.11 for workgroups, 95, 98, 98 se, me (gasp!), xp, vista (gasp!), 7
[20:59:38] <XXCoder> and now xfce mint
[20:59:41] <Tom_itx> oh yeah, i forgot xp
[20:59:48] <malcom2073> I gave up on linux, I was tired of tinkering
[21:00:10] <XXCoder> malcom2073: I gave up on windows due to locked out unsigned drivers
[21:00:17] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: I wouldn't create a password, I'd just enable guest share access
[21:00:19] <XXCoder> windows used to allow that, if with warnings
[21:00:25] <XXCoder> now noooope
[21:00:32] <malcom2073> I've not run into that, but I'm still using 7, so I can use unsigned drivers
[21:00:33] <PetefromTn_> malcom2073 I agree just don't know how
[21:00:35] <malcom2073> I hear 8 can't
[21:00:45] <XXCoder> malcom2073: vista is first that doesnyt
[21:00:53] <PetefromTn_> my wifes laptop is windows 7
[21:00:58] <PetefromTn_> and it works
[21:01:04] <Tom_itx> i stuck with 7 on these new pcs
[21:01:10] <Tom_itx> not ready for 8
[21:01:15] <malcom2073> Hmm, then maybe try a password? That may help heh
[21:01:16] <Tom_itx> 8 is on some surfaces
[21:01:19] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: dont bother with 8 8.1
[21:01:22] <malcom2073> I enjoy 8 on my tablet
[21:01:29] <XXCoder> just go stright to 10, its faster AND better than any 8
[21:01:32] <Tom_itx> 8.1 that is
[21:01:42] <PetefromTn_> I LIKE 8 on my laptop here
[21:01:47] <XXCoder> spyware will be backported to 7 and up so you cant avoid it
[21:01:52] <PetefromTn_> just need to get it to talk to my damn home stereo LOL
[21:01:53] <Tom_itx> i'm running catia on the surface
[21:01:55] <Tom_itx> seems ok
[21:02:14] <Tom_itx> seems you are talking to it already :)
[21:06:02] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[21:07:39] <Tom_itx> not your pc, you..
[21:09:12] <PetefromTn_> maddening bullshit..
[21:12:06] <Tom_itx> i struggled with the same thing connecting mine after installing 7
[21:12:36] <Tom_itx> can't remember how i resolved it
[21:12:43] <Tom_itx> or for that matter if i did
[21:20:05] <XXCoder> laughed so hard
[21:20:36] <XXCoder> one person belived picture that smoking hemp "eighth" will cause overdose
[21:20:44] <XXCoder> so damn many mistakes
[21:20:55] <XXCoder> I know facts even when I dont smoke em
[21:30:35] <humble_sea_bass> dont smoke 8's unless you wnat to be 6 under
[21:30:55] <XXCoder> lol
[21:33:37] <jdh> xxcoder: it must be true, it's on the internet. http://i.imgur.com/WqOEoMU.jpg
[21:33:54] <XXCoder> jdh: that was picture I saw that made me comment
[21:34:11] <jdh> I sent it to my kids as a warning.
[21:34:13] <XXCoder> hemp is not what people smoke
[21:34:18] <humble_sea_bass> i'm choking here
[21:34:23] <XXCoder> you cant get high off hemp
[21:34:23] <humble_sea_bass> never seen a bag so smal
[21:34:34] <humble_sea_bass> if you chew it is makes you loko
[21:34:51] <XXCoder> you will die by smoke intalion before you get even remotely high off hemp.
[21:35:12] <humble_sea_bass> save it for obama, buddy
[21:35:26] <humble_sea_bass> think of the children
[21:35:30] <XXCoder> jdh: even if it was proper marajina, you still need to toke 20,000 pot+ to die
[21:35:44] <malcom2073> pot is a term of measurement now?
[21:35:49] <XXCoder> at short time
[21:35:53] <malcom2073> How much you got? About 10 pot
[21:36:02] <malcom2073> :P
[21:36:03] <jdh> I don't believe you. You are just one of those drug pushers out to kill our youth.
[21:36:15] <XXCoder> malcom2073: I dont do drugs, I just know facts
[21:36:27] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Uh huh... these "facts" eh?
[21:36:29] <XXCoder> jdh: I dont do or sell drugs
[21:36:43] <XXCoder> malcom2073: almost correct, remove " "
[21:38:01] <malcom2073> Seriously though, how much is one pot? Is that larger or smaller than a bowl?
[21:38:46] <XXCoder> malcom2073: dunno exact weight but basically one cig length wound up paper with marginina in it (cant spell that danged word)
[21:38:59] <XXCoder> which is more than what that bag shows lol
[21:39:28] <malcom2073> I'd never heard a joint called a pot before
[21:39:49] <XXCoder> Im kinda tired of people confusing hemp and marijuana.
[21:40:00] <XXCoder> hemp is same plant type but contains almost no THC
[21:40:13] <XXCoder> you probably can get high faster off oak leaves lol
[21:40:27] <malcom2073> I wasn't aware we were talking about hemp
[21:40:31] <jdh> the pic actually said 'weed' not hemp.
[21:40:40] <malcom2073> I don't know anyone who does anything with hemp, so I know nothing of it heh
[21:40:42] <XXCoder> I want hemp to grow everywhere because of its huge value as fibers and paper making
[21:40:45] <XXCoder> jdh: read again
[21:40:49] <jdh> ok.
[21:40:54] <jdh> it still says 'weed', but whatever.
[21:40:58] <XXCoder> jdh: read again
[21:41:00] <malcom2073> jdh: Read further
[21:41:21] <jdh> oh. you got that far before moving on?
[21:41:23] * Praesmeodymium can wander down to the weed store were the hot little girls behind the counnter make sure to use the words, my boyfriend or my man every 5 minutes
[21:41:50] <jdh> gotta keep the creepers incheck
[21:41:51] <malcom2073> I don't blame them, I imagine they get hit on all the time at the job by stoners
[21:42:20] <XXCoder> jdh: honestly alchol is much worse than marijuana
[21:42:28] <XXCoder> (gonna love copy and paste)
[21:42:41] <jdh> I don't do either.
[21:42:49] <jdh> my vice is lame internette trolling.
[21:42:51] <XXCoder> you can die by drinking too much achcol. marijuana well you cant smoke till you die
[21:43:23] <XXCoder> jdh: lol me too sometimes
[21:43:36] <XXCoder> I cant do any mind alterant drugs.
[21:43:44] <malcom2073> Life is my drug of choice
[21:44:08] <Wolf_> oops http://i.imgur.com/GgJEngr.png?1
[21:44:09] <Praesmeodymium> for me its 3 way tie between sugar cafieene and thc
[21:44:20] <Praesmeodymium> I'm not trying to live long
[21:44:25] <Praesmeodymium> just well
[21:45:23] <malcom2073> Wolf_: Whups heh
[21:45:29] <malcom2073> Measurement error? :P
[21:45:44] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: headlight you mean?
[21:45:46] <XXCoder> cant see it
[21:46:02] <Wolf_> not sure how I messed that up lol
[21:46:46] <XXCoder> Wolf_: mind pointint it out lol
[21:47:02] <Wolf_> huh?
[21:47:12] <XXCoder> error in design if any?
[21:47:32] <Wolf_> see the big gap between teh stepper and the mount
[21:47:51] <XXCoder> yeah saw that I guess something does not fit or somethng
[21:49:33] <MacGalempsy> hello
[21:49:38] <malcom2073> Hi
[21:49:55] <MacGalempsy> whats going on malcom2073?
[21:50:17] <malcom2073> Got my mill moving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkuNPsG62DQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8J6UnlujOc
[21:50:44] <MacGalempsy> muy excellente
[21:51:09] <MacGalempsy> running off just the vfd or through lcnc?
[21:51:27] <malcom2073> Spindle is just off the VFD, but the steppers are running through lcnc
[21:51:34] <malcom2073> Spindle is just on/off
[21:51:36] <MacGalempsy> we are at the same point
[21:51:54] <malcom2073> Eh you're closer, I only have 2 out of 3 axis' running, the third needs an adapter plate still
[21:52:02] <MacGalempsy> i tried to get the rotary axis spinning but it is acting like the spindl.e
[21:52:17] <MacGalempsy> you got enough going to machine the last plate
[21:52:26] <malcom2073> I'm gonna make it on my dads machine, easier heh
[21:52:39] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: If you have/use 14500 batteries, then this: https://www.fenixlighting.com/product/hl35-fenix-headlamp/ , or
[21:53:25] <MacGalempsy> yesterday I got stung on the back of the next by a red wasp
[21:53:31] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: One AA battery https://www.fenixlighting.com/product/hl50-fenix-headlamp/
[21:53:34] <MacGalempsy> it hurts like the dickins!
[21:53:50] <malcom2073> Oh ouch, that's no good
[21:54:18] <MacGalempsy> yeah, after a day of jack hammering concrete, I was already sore
[21:54:33] <MacGalempsy> went to bed last night around 10pm and wokeup today at 6pm
[21:55:15] <malcom2073> Heh
[21:55:22] <MacGalempsy> cannot get the a-axis to spin, any thoughts on what is wrong?
[21:55:39] <MacGalempsy> it spins in PNCCONF, but not when running
[21:56:00] <malcom2073> That's odd
[21:56:12] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I LOVE my Fenix HL21, discontinued, but you might be able to find them still
[21:56:21] <MacGalempsy> same way with the spindle, so I'm wondering if the same problem haunts both
[21:56:27] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: HL21 http://fenixlight.com/ProductMore.aspx?id=34&tid=13&cid=2
[21:57:27] <Tom_itx> like to find something locally
[21:57:51] <Tom_itx> and without breaking the bank on a 'flashlight'
[21:58:31] <Jymmm> IT's not a 'flahlisght' or you would have already bought one from the 99¢ store =)
[21:58:52] <Tom_itx> no, i've got a dozen flashlights already
[21:59:10] <MacGalempsy> what is so special about that light?
[21:59:19] <MacGalempsy> why not get a Black Diamond?
[21:59:20] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: The HL21?
[21:59:20] <Tom_itx> just looking for something hands free for occasional use
[21:59:27] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: FUCK BD
[21:59:40] <MacGalempsy> i got 2 and they are great for caving
[21:59:52] <Jymmm> BD are not waterproof, take a handfull of batteries
[22:00:07] <MacGalempsy> the older one took 3 the newer one takes 1
[22:00:12] <Jymmm> and I never use AAA, ever
[22:00:32] <Tom_itx> yeah they don't last very long
[22:00:38] <MacGalempsy> the HL21 looks like a cheap chinese headlight you can get at Harbor Freight for $1
[22:00:41] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: I seriously doubt that, or suck life
[22:00:51] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: IF you say so
[22:01:03] <Tom_itx> machined aluminum?
[22:01:26] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Too heavy, threaded brass on glass nylon
[22:01:53] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: You really want a log of aluminum on your forehead?
[22:03:08] <Tom_itx> don't really want anything on my forehead but..
[22:03:31] <MacGalempsy> how about if you drop it down to your neck? lol
[22:04:26] <MacGalempsy> http://www.harborfreight.com/five-led-magnetic-head-lamp-93549.html
[22:06:15] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: fwiw, I shopped for 2 years before buying the HL21's
[22:06:38] <Tom_itx> why do you think i asked you specifically ?
[22:06:42] <Tom_itx> :)
[22:06:52] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: bought and returned a couple black diamonds too.
[22:07:17] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: =)
[22:07:26] <Tom_itx> now wtf is the name of that store here...
[22:07:30] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: REI
[22:07:32] <Tom_itx> never shop there
[22:07:43] <Jymmm> http://rei.com/
[22:08:58] <XXCoder> freecad is odd
[22:09:05] <XXCoder> older version I could edit stuff
[22:09:18] <XXCoder> but .16 I cant change extrusion length once set
[22:11:11] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Maybe... http://www.amazon.com/Fenix-HL23-Headlamp-Champagne-EdisonBright/dp/B00UHZXAYG/ref=sr_1_1?srs=11854223011&ie=UTF8&qid=1444618002&sr=8-1&keywords=HL23
[22:12:21] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I don't use my headlight as my main light
[22:13:02] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I still carry a bright ass handheld for that, but if you want a badass headlamp and dont mind the pricetag, I gt one for ya...
[22:13:58] <Tom_itx> i got pp bal maybe i'll get that one
[22:14:52] <Tom_itx> err does amazon use pp.. i forget
[22:15:46] <MacGalempsy> i dont think they do, but if you have a pp visa/debit then you can use it
[22:15:56] <Tom_itx> nope
[22:17:26] <Tom_itx> i'm all the time holding a flashlight in my mouth while trying to fix something...
[22:19:17] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: what about those cheapy visor clip lights?
[22:20:06] <Tom_itx> well i was looking at a cheap one for $5 but it uses aaa cells
[22:21:03] <OhmEye> noob question... I have stepping set such that axis tests move the correct distance. However, programs move half the correct distance such that the patterns are half size relative to dimensions displayed on the plot. Where should I be looking to fix this?
[22:21:07] <MacGalempsy> $5 + $5 for batteries is still cheap
[22:21:44] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: That's what was nice about the HL21, it had a difuser in it, so it was a beam when walking, then flood wehn cooking or working in front of you
[22:21:58] <Wolf_> OhmEye: step ratio or gearing
[22:22:07] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: IP68, so could work in the rain too
[22:22:19] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: up to 3 feet deep =)
[22:22:21] <Tom_itx> i'm not gonna fix crap in the rain sir
[22:22:29] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: wuss
[22:22:30] <Tom_itx> i'll wait for a clear day
[22:22:46] <Tom_itx> mostly for under the hood etc
[22:22:47] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Say that when you have to plugin a gen etc =)
[22:22:59] <Tom_itx> i can do that in the dark
[22:23:00] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: the HL23 doesn't look bad then
[22:23:09] <Tom_itx> yeah i'm considering it
[22:23:17] <Jymmm> http://www.amazon.com/Fenix-HL23-Headlamp-XP-G2-FENIX-HL23-XP-G2-GREY/dp/B00SAD8D7Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1444618053&sr=8-2&keywords=HL23#customerReviews
[22:23:20] <Tom_itx> gander mtn doesn't sell fenix
[22:23:46] <Jymmm> $34.95 free shipping
[22:23:58] <Tom_itx> no pp though
[22:24:12] <Jymmm> cc ?
[22:24:21] <Tom_itx> don't wanna use that
[22:24:28] <Wolf_> sec
[22:25:41] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: accepts PP http://www.fenix-store.com/fenix-hl23-led-headlamp-cadet-grey/
[22:26:10] <Tom_itx> just went there already
[22:26:26] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: save $10 if you signup for their newsletter and free shipping inthe US
[22:26:42] <Tom_itx> not sure i wanna be pestered by them all the time
[22:27:24] <Wolf_> fenix stuff is good, I have had a few of their lights for years now
[22:27:29] <Tom_itx> 1st order over $50
[22:27:31] <Jymmm> then goto the dollar store and be done with it
[22:27:38] <Tom_itx> no joy
[22:28:02] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: there ya go, no being bugged by them then
[22:29:45] <Tom_itx> wonder what their 'free shipping' option is
[22:30:26] <Jymmm> FREE U.S. Shipping
[22:30:27] <Jymmm> $13 International Shipping
[22:30:44] <Tom_itx> usps standard?
[22:30:50] <Tom_itx> usps priority is 5
[22:31:38] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: for you, the slowest possible.
[22:33:49] <Tom_itx> if you're wrong about this i will hunt you down...
[22:35:11] <Tom_itx> i think it will be fine for what i need
[22:35:13] <Tom_itx> thanks..
[22:35:49] <Tom_itx> 3 different intensity settings?
[22:36:21] <XXCoder> just made a basic 10 cm cup lol
[22:39:57] <MacGalempsy> shot glass?
[22:40:38] <XXCoder> 10 cm shotglass?
[22:40:38] <Tom_itx> not much of a shot
[22:44:46] <XXCoder> figuring how to add designs to it lol
[22:44:55] <XXCoder> seems cant sketch around curved surface
[22:55:11] <PetefromTn_> hey folks
[22:55:27] <PetefromTn_> up late tonight anodizing some parts
[22:55:41] <PetefromTn_> first run with the new pneumatic bubbler assembly
[22:55:53] <PetefromTn_> hoping it goes well :D
[22:56:06] <Wolf_> I need to learn that stuff
[22:56:07] <XXCoder> nice
[22:56:21] <MacGalempsy> pics of final anodizing?
[22:56:35] <MacGalempsy> anyone running a rotary axis?
[22:56:48] <PetefromTn_> I have posted pics here several times now
[22:57:04] <PetefromTn_> don't have a completed part to shoot right now
[22:58:29] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/H7dRjUG.jpg http://i.imgur.com/XmA6JNt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/uo7H2Ew.jpg These are some older pics
[23:03:28] <PetefromTn_> I would LIKE to have a rotary axis does that count?
[23:03:50] <MacGalempsy> sure, if you can tell me why mine does not want to spin
[23:04:49] <fenn> archivist: all the links are 404 http://www.archivist.info/apt/docs/
[23:06:12] <PetefromTn_> no earthly idea
[23:29:10] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: did you already have the gun, or did you get it for the job?
[23:33:15] <PetefromTn_> what gun?
[23:34:36] <MacGalempsy> the rifle
[23:34:40] <MacGalempsy> styer
[23:35:29] <PetefromTn_> no I can't afford that thing man I had a customer approach me that wanted me to build a custom rail for him. The rest is history ;)
[23:37:23] <MacGalempsy> the rail looks nice
[23:38:01] <PetefromTn_> thank you it took awhile to get the design to work and look proper
[23:38:34] <MacGalempsy> next time tell him you will need to keep the rifle :)
[23:57:33] <archivist> fenn, use http://www.archivist.info/apt/aptos/apt360/doc/manual/index.html