#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-10-10

[02:18:57] <Deejay> moin
[03:55:36] <MacGalempsy> hello
[04:11:17] <XXCoder> boo
[04:13:26] <malcom2073> Morning
[04:13:34] <XXCoder> whats up
[04:13:55] <malcom2073> Not much, about to go to a machinist yard sale, see if I can pick up some lathe tools
[04:13:57] <malcom2073> you?
[04:14:17] <XXCoder> nice! just relaxing and eating dinner
[04:16:22] <trentster> So first attempt at 3d carving turned out ok'ish :-)
[04:16:26] <trentster> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ8ZUYlUcAA0d1k.jpg:large
[04:16:38] <XXCoder> not bad!
[04:16:50] <XXCoder> some sandpaper and it will look great
[04:17:39] <trentster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlj5SKnmd9I
[04:18:20] <trentster> yeah its right off the machine - will clean it up and oil it etc - was really just a test - next ones I try will be incorporated into a decorative box or soemthing
[04:19:04] <XXCoder> odd
[04:19:21] <XXCoder> i can see it jerk movement sometimes?
[04:20:28] <XXCoder> from what I see your Z seems slow compared to x and y
[04:22:04] <XXCoder> iphone videos suck
[04:22:08] <XXCoder> wayyy too slim
[04:22:41] <trentster> XXCoder: I was holding the camera by hand - no tripod so it was kinda jerky. I may setup a tripod in future
[04:23:08] <XXCoder> oh was talking about cnc motions not yours :)
[04:23:37] <XXCoder> I see you use same keyboard as mine lol
[04:23:50] <trentster> Yeah - I still have crappy coupler on Z - I have the better ones in the draw just been too lazy to put it on - so I have made Z slow to prevent fatigue and couple snapping
[04:24:35] <XXCoder> ahh
[04:32:57] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073: got the machine all homed, just trammed the head
[04:33:04] <MacGalempsy> motors tuned
[04:33:51] <MacGalempsy> now time to put the 4th axis in and see if I can get it tuned
[04:36:51] <XXCoder> cool
[04:42:59] <ganzuul> http://imgur.com/a/K21dT
[04:43:02] <ganzuul> :O
[04:43:33] <XXCoder> little chain holding massive chain ends up lol
[04:43:47] <XXCoder> "oh thought you meant 3 yards not 3 inches!"
[04:49:10] <zeeshan> zzzz
[04:49:23] <XXCoder> shh zeeshan is sleeping
[04:49:33] <zeeshan> hehe
[04:49:34] <zeeshan> just woke up
[04:49:41] <zeeshan> PART 2 of disassembling lathe
[04:51:01] <zeeshan> ganzuul: cute little chain! :)
[04:53:32] <archivist> bit early in the morning for Canadians
[04:53:41] <XXCoder> very early
[04:53:54] <XXCoder> 2:30 am here lol (washington state, usa)
[04:55:28] <zeeshan> yes early here :P
[04:55:43] <zeeshan> this is prolly the earliest ive been up on a saturday. :P
[04:55:48] <zeeshan> in a long time!
[04:55:56] <XXCoder> super black http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/186229-its-like-staring-into-a-black-hole-worlds-darkest-material-will-be-used-to-make-very-stealthy-aircraft-better-telescopes
[04:56:09] <XXCoder> zeeshan: curious id you completed that vape wood thingy
[04:56:15] <zeeshan> yes all done
[04:56:16] <zeeshan> all paid
[04:56:18] <zeeshan> hooray
[04:56:21] <XXCoder> nice!
[04:56:36] <zeeshan> he wants some stainless pieces so part 2 next week for that
[04:56:43] <XXCoder> I still plan to get 4th stepper and try my axis A direct mount lol
[04:56:46] <XXCoder> stainless ouch
[04:56:49] <XXCoder> I hate that metal
[04:57:23] <XXCoder> working on 15-5 which eats tools pretty quickly and even that is better than SS
[04:57:29] <archivist> I had my 4th axis working before 2nd and 3rd
[04:57:31] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/CqEKy
[04:58:07] <XXCoder> its definitely not repeatable, that pattern.
[04:59:06] <zeeshan> i wish i took a less grainy pic
[04:59:06] <zeeshan> :P
[05:03:14] <XXCoder> oh well
[05:05:33] <XXCoder> cant wait to get this https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/yatzco/hologram-pyramid-peppers-ghost-no-mirrors-double-b/description
[05:05:45] <XXCoder> cheap toy to play with for a bit lol
[05:05:55] <MacGalempsy> nice work zeeshan
[05:06:03] <XXCoder> yeah looks great
[05:06:21] <XXCoder> zeeshan: did you modify mount to make em more removable?
[05:06:26] <XXCoder> I recall you had that issue
[05:07:23] <MacGalempsy> Carbon Nanotubes: Blacker than Black
[05:07:49] <XXCoder> it is. human eyes cant see black that black
[05:08:00] <XXCoder> it has maxamium darkness it can see
[05:24:53] <XXCoder> aaaand all quiet lol
[05:25:36] <zeeshan> XXCoder: yes
[05:25:50] <XXCoder> got question
[05:26:05] <XXCoder> I got 8020 cheap nuts that seem to work in my cnc router grooves yay
[05:26:12] <XXCoder> I just need bolts for em
[05:26:23] <XXCoder> but well I need something to hold material
[05:26:28] <XXCoder> not sure what to use.
[05:26:41] <XXCoder> my machine is way too small for that awesome clamp stuff
[05:27:16] <zeeshan> i'd look into mini toe clamps
[05:27:24] <zeeshan> they'll do 99% of the stuff you wanna do
[05:27:27] <zeeshan> on a router
[05:27:31] <zeeshan> or just double sided tape! :D
[05:27:52] <XXCoder> thats a idea. I can just directly bolt bottom surifical tape
[05:27:55] <XXCoder> *wood
[05:28:01] <XXCoder> and tape wood on it
[05:28:07] <archivist> double sided tape ruins thin sheet items
[05:28:33] <XXCoder> its fine as it's mainly testing
[05:28:44] <archivist> unless skilled in the art of rolling them flat after peeling off
[05:29:14] <zeeshan> c-clamps
[05:29:14] <zeeshan> :D
[05:29:28] <archivist> also wastes stuff under the tape, too hard to clean and re use
[05:30:02] <XXCoder> zeeshan: that'd work for mill but not my machine
[05:30:09] <XXCoder> its too wide and long
[05:30:14] <XXCoder> AND height too short
[05:30:25] <XXCoder> it has 3 inches clearance lol
[05:30:36] <zeeshan> :D
[05:31:52] <XXCoder> I'm also trying to figure how to fine tune my machine
[05:31:56] <XXCoder> it jams sometimes
[05:32:19] <zeeshan> trial and error :D
[05:32:24] <archivist> gantry router with one ballscrew
[05:32:35] <archivist> design error
[05:32:36] <zeeshan> bye guys :D
[05:32:38] <XXCoder> one of few times I wish I can hear, it would help me hear problem
[05:32:39] <zeeshan> have a great day
[05:32:45] <XXCoder> if any
[05:32:50] <XXCoder> zeeshan: have fun
[05:32:51] <zeeshan> XXCoder: microphone
[05:32:55] <zeeshan> analyze wave form
[05:33:00] <zeeshan> you don't need to hear!
[05:33:05] <archivist> XXCoder, finger on the machine feel the vibration
[05:33:05] <zeeshan> let the wave form do the talkin
[05:33:08] <XXCoder> dont even own one lol
[05:33:16] <XXCoder> archivist: something I can do
[05:33:36] <XXCoder> http://www.destaco.com/standard.html this could work
[05:33:47] <XXCoder> for some uses anyway
[05:33:54] <XXCoder> like engraving plastoic
[05:39:08] <XXCoder> "Suspicious Order Closed "
[05:39:15] <XXCoder> looks like its done
[05:39:49] <MacGalempsy> well, I can get the A AXIS to spin with the PNCCONF but when I got to move it with LCNC, the same settings lead to a following error
[05:39:52] <MacGalempsy> no juice
[05:40:29] <MacGalempsy> any thoughts?
[05:41:28] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073: did you get your aliexpress refund?
[05:41:44] <XXCoder> did you get money back malcom2073
[05:43:21] <MacGalempsy> I just got the refund
[05:43:41] <MacGalempsy> well, the email that says the refund is 4-7 days away
[05:44:32] <XXCoder> 7 to 10 for me
[05:48:18] <MacGalempsy> oops yeah 7-10
[06:00:38] <XXCoder> cool
[06:00:58] <jthornton> I'm convinced that facebook monitors your email traffic
[06:01:17] <jthornton> I wonder what else they steal from you
[06:01:56] <XXCoder> how?
[06:02:35] <jthornton> they suggest friends that I have emailed
[06:03:21] <Sync> jthornton: some idiot has given facebook the permissions to do so on his/her phone
[06:04:17] <jthornton> for me or for them?
[06:04:45] <XXCoder> I will NEVER use fb app on phone
[06:04:52] <MacGalempsy> jthornton: I agree pretty deep invasion. There was a friend who I had not talked to in 15 years, and he started txting me. within a few days, I got a "Friend Suggestion" for his wife, which I didnt even know he was married
[06:04:53] <XXCoder> it has INSANE list of permissions
[06:04:55] <jthornton> I don't either
[06:05:05] <XXCoder> including "Fuck you from behind" permission
[06:05:14] <jthornton> lol
[06:05:33] <MacGalempsy> lol. at this point I just use the browser because you dont have to D/L the msngr app
[06:05:49] <XXCoder> me too. I just use browser
[06:06:20] <MacGalempsy> yesterday it rained, and we found a leak in the roof...
[06:06:40] <MacGalempsy> thats the last thing I wanted to deal with right now
[06:07:03] <XXCoder> fun.
[06:07:05] * jthornton checks my settings
[06:07:24] <jthornton> ouch, but you never find a leak when the sun is shining
[06:09:34] <MacGalempsy> unfortunately not... in OKC the last roof I did was like $14k
[06:09:38] <XXCoder> unless its so big it leaks light in
[06:09:41] * jthornton goes back to golang
[06:09:48] <MacGalempsy> unfortunately this house is a little larget
[06:10:23] <jthornton> I've been there in a back woods bar in the swamps of Louisana... the roof was full of bullet holes lol
[06:10:52] <MacGalempsy> hahah. maybe last week when I was in tulsa the wife got drunk and was shooting up the place
[06:11:05] <jthornton> lol
[06:11:36] <jthornton> I think I've put my last roof on when I built my shop
[06:12:35] <MacGalempsy> the agent we used to buy the house runs a few crews. hopefully he can cut a deal
[06:15:25] <XXCoder> cant to it yourself?
[06:16:26] <MacGalempsy> probably, but it would take me a week or more. the crew will come in and get it done in a few days
[06:16:27] <archivist> I went up on the garage roof to fix leaks before the CMM came home
[06:16:46] <XXCoder> few days for $15000
[06:17:06] <MacGalempsy> I was thinking about getting up under there and attempting a sealer on the underside
[06:17:23] <archivist> do it on the outside
[06:17:39] <MacGalempsy> just spray it and wait until next summer?
[06:17:58] <archivist> on the inside you only move the leak someplace else
[06:18:01] <MacGalempsy> no harm in getting estimates though
[06:18:15] <archivist> might be a simple fix
[06:18:22] <XXCoder> also ask for "nix leak" estimates
[06:18:25] <XXCoder> just spot fix
[06:18:29] <MacGalempsy> ok
[06:20:51] <XXCoder> hm
[06:20:52] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/GooDeal-Horizontal-Handle-Quick-Release-SD-201-/dp/B00XTWP222/ref=sr_1_19?s=power-hand-tools&ie=UTF8&qid=1444474353&sr=1-19&keywords=Horizontal+Quick+Release+Hand+Tool+Toggle+Clamps
[06:21:02] <XXCoder> not sure if that would be usable with m6
[06:21:10] <XXCoder> it dont say what size holes are
[06:21:40] <jthornton> my guess is for 1/4" fasteners
[06:22:03] <MacGalempsy> what is this metric stuff all about anyways?
[06:22:08] <MacGalempsy> :P
[06:22:13] <jthornton> the knob thingy looks like 1/4-20 threads
[06:22:16] <XXCoder> my machine is metric
[06:22:26] <XXCoder> jthornton: m6 is close to 1/4
[06:22:35] <MacGalempsy> i found 2 metric screws on my machine
[06:22:36] <jthornton> my machine don't care about units of measure
[06:22:48] <jthornton> yes but finer pitch
[06:23:10] <MacGalempsy> both were on japanese made parts (encoder and linear glide)
[06:23:28] <jthornton> I got some machines from Taiwan once with a mix of inch and witworth threads
[06:23:41] <MacGalempsy> uhhggg
[06:23:59] <jthornton> that made me scratch my knoggen a bit
[06:24:01] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: just get those ones and weld up the holes, then redrill
[06:24:14] <XXCoder> I cant weld lol
[06:24:26] <jthornton> washer fixes all
[06:24:29] <Jymmm> jb weld
[06:24:36] <Jymmm> silly putty
[06:24:39] <XXCoder> washer washes away all build sins
[06:24:41] <MacGalempsy> jb weld is #1
[06:25:22] <MacGalempsy> how about rob the design and make your own in metric?
[06:25:36] <MacGalempsy> but they will probably be more than $12
[06:25:40] <XXCoder> bought this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00R563R0M?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00 and it works with my machine
[06:25:44] <XXCoder> awesome.
[06:26:11] <XXCoder> whats screw without amny head called?
[06:26:16] <XXCoder> just threads
[06:26:26] <jthornton> all thread
[06:26:43] <XXCoder> thanks
[06:27:13] <Jymmm> a divorce?
[06:27:44] <MacGalempsy> =D
[06:27:46] <XXCoder> jeeeez http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00R563R0M?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
[06:28:14] <archivist> XXCoder, threaded rod in other countries
[06:29:53] <XXCoder> threaded rod better results
[06:30:37] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/Pitch-70mm-Male-Threaded-Bronze/dp/B012TANLN6/ref=sr_1_2?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1444475190&sr=1-2&keywords=m6+threaded+rod
[06:32:35] <MacGalempsy> does this look right if I want the zbrake to turnoff when the machine turns on?
[06:32:52] <MacGalempsy> net machine.on => zbrake
[06:35:02] <archivist> depends what you mean by on, you may want to brake on estop or other special uses
[06:36:25] <MacGalempsy> I am going to try this one - net zbrake machine-is-enabled => hm2.....
[06:37:10] <Sync> boboss: what about it?
[06:40:06] <boboss> Sync, about what ?
[06:40:54] <boboss> Sync, boboss != bobo
[06:41:28] <XXCoder> sync didnt say bobo. he said your nick boboss
[06:42:06] <XXCoder> unless sync was talking about something said much earlier lol
[06:43:31] <boboss> a bobo was here yesterday morning
[06:43:41] <XXCoder> ahh sorry then :)
[06:44:05] <boboss> :)
[06:45:29] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/Hard---Find-Fastener-014973180942-55-Piece/dp/B00L1IYQO6/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1444476089&sr=1-2&keywords=1%2F4+washer+wide
[06:45:36] <XXCoder> would this work as "clamps"?
[06:45:44] <XXCoder> with threaded rod and nuts
[06:45:54] <jthornton> what are you trying to "clamp"
[06:45:57] <XXCoder> wood
[06:46:30] <jthornton> would be better than smaller washers for wood
[06:46:55] <XXCoder> I was thinking use this, with something at back so it angles down into stock
[06:47:04] <XXCoder> its for when I dont care about wood damage there
[06:47:47] <XXCoder> it can also be used for post-hole operation
[06:48:03] <XXCoder> more gentle of course lol
[06:48:07] <jthornton> what are you making?
[06:48:26] <XXCoder> artwork actually but I just need basic stuff so I can start
[06:48:34] <XXCoder> I can buy more and refine with usage
[06:49:23] <XXCoder> also, once working I can use those to make wood fixtures and wood clamps
[06:53:01] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S6C3984?keywords=m6%20threaded%20rod&qid=1444476564&ref_=sr_1_5&refinements=p_76%3A2661625011&sr=8-5
[06:53:21] <XXCoder> any benefits to gap?
[06:54:29] <jthornton> just makes the short end only go so far into your T nut or mounting plate
[06:54:40] <XXCoder> hm ok
[06:54:54] <XXCoder> trying to find free shippinbg alternative
[06:57:11] <jthornton> to start with why not just use all thread from a hardware store
[06:57:28] <XXCoder> do they sell metric?
[06:57:30] <XXCoder> if so yeah
[06:57:34] <XXCoder> good idea
[06:57:43] <jthornton> depends on where you live
[07:00:02] <XXCoder> 24 bucks
[07:00:07] <XXCoder> one rod. long one but yeah
[07:00:26] <jthornton> 1 meter long?
[07:00:36] <XXCoder> yeah
[07:00:43] <archivist> over priced
[07:00:58] <XXCoder> it'd supply all I need but then high price and I has to cut and grind
[07:01:05] <jthornton> XXCoder, where are you?
[07:01:10] <XXCoder> washington state
[07:01:22] <jthornton> ah, that explains the high price
[07:02:04] <archivist> http://www.screwfix.com/p/easyfix-bright-zinc-plated-steel-threaded-rods-m6-x-300mm-pack-of-5/29072?kpid=29072&cm_mmc=Google-_-Product%20Listing%20Ads-_-Sales%20Tracking-_-sales%20tracking%20url&cm_mmc=Google-_-Shopping%20-%20Fixings%20and%20Fasteners-_-Shopping%20-%20Fixings%20and%20Fasteners&gclid=CKzcwa3ot8gCFWoJwwod0xAFxg&kpid=29072
[07:02:13] <archivist> way cheaper for me
[07:02:33] <Jymmm> https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/MR2551000A20000
[07:02:54] <XXCoder> nice
[07:02:59] <jthornton> http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-threaded-rods/=zazjv4
[07:03:47] <Jymmm> http://www.amazon.com/Imperial-12650-Threaded-M6-1-00x1m-Package/dp/B001G4512Q
[07:04:43] <archivist> amazon seems confuddled, imperial is not metric
[07:05:15] <Jymmm> Heh http://www.amazon.com/Pitch-70mm-Male-Threaded-Bronze/dp/B012TANLN6/ref=pd_sim_sbs_60_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=1R6NZ0F8T6YV6R2CTNW6
[07:05:28] <MacGalempsy> maybe imperial is the brand name
[07:05:37] <XXCoder> penis
[07:05:41] <XXCoder> get screwed
[07:05:44] <XXCoder> :P
[07:06:07] <archivist> you have a lathe, thread your own rod
[07:06:11] <Jymmm> XXCoder: 70mm long enough?
[07:06:19] <XXCoder> checking
[07:06:29] <XXCoder> 2.75 inch
[07:06:33] <XXCoder> thats pretty close
[07:06:44] <XXCoder> since some will be below it will work
[07:07:06] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://www.amazon.com/Pitch-70mm-Male-Threaded-Bronze/dp/B012TANLN6/ref=pd_sim_sbs_60_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=1R6NZ0F8T6YV6R2CTNW6
[07:07:26] <XXCoder> yeah lready saw that lol
[07:08:08] <XXCoder> nice! http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009UZULK0?keywords=m6%20all%20thread&qid=1444477478&ref_=sr_1_54&s=industrial&sr=1-54
[07:08:11] <XXCoder> too bad out lol
[07:08:35] <Jymmm> You could just get soem SS bolts, thread on three nuts, lock two against each other, grind off the head, and use the 3rd nut to rethread the end.
[07:08:51] <XXCoder> that would work yeah
[07:09:05] <XXCoder> or just leave heads if its not impacting gantry
[07:09:19] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://www.lowes.com/pd_472750-37672-44842_0__?productId=4582131
[07:09:35] <XXCoder> 23 bucks is just silly
[07:10:16] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Hey, you wanted metric, you gots to pay for it =)
[07:10:30] <XXCoder> yeah I'll cheat using amazon lol
[07:10:51] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006F37QG2?keywords=m6%20all%20thread%20-tap&qid=1444477625&ref_=sr_1_5&s=industrial&sr=1-5 nicely size
[07:11:00] <XXCoder> just under 2 inches
[07:11:07] <XXCoder> good for smaller
[07:11:32] <XXCoder> and not free shipping bah
[07:11:42] <Jymmm> http://www.mrmetric.com/
[07:11:58] <XXCoder> 160mm long m6 cap screw.
[07:11:59] <XXCoder> weird
[07:12:28] <XXCoder> yep that one gave me idea
[07:12:37] <XXCoder> flat head screws is pretty cheap
[07:13:59] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DD4Q1M6?keywords=m6%20flat%20head%20screw&qid=1444477730&ref_=sr_1_13&refinements=p_76%3A1249158011&s=industrial&sr=1-13
[07:14:12] <Jymmm> No miniums, flat rate $6 shipping, free over $50
[07:14:30] <XXCoder> nice mr metric
[07:27:07] <Sync> boboss: yeah, did not verify backlock if you were bobo or not, sorry
[07:43:53] <XXCoder> meanie Sync is meanie
[07:43:54] <XXCoder> jk heh
[07:44:08] <XXCoder> Jymmm: thanks
[07:44:41] <XXCoder> archivist: just spotted what I missed last time. when did I get a lathe? I sure didnt know I owned a lathe?
[07:45:31] <Sync> > backlock
[07:45:35] <Sync> wtf is wrong with my fingers
[07:45:50] <XXCoder> its part of you and are getting tired of you
[07:45:57] <XXCoder> heh
[07:47:32] <XXCoder> Sync: kidding, gonna go sleep :)
[07:47:52] <Sync> early afternoon here
[07:48:07] <XXCoder> 5 am
[07:48:12] <archivist> XXCoder, time you did get a lathe then
[07:48:38] <XXCoder> archivist: maybe in future. after 3d print and laser
[07:48:53] <archivist> I use a lather more than a mill :)
[07:48:57] <archivist> lathe
[07:49:07] <XXCoder> yeh it depends on what for
[07:49:13] <XXCoder> I dont need round stuff generally
[08:04:20] <MacGalempsy> well guys, I'm off to break concrete for the rest of the day. have fun!
[08:27:04] <MrSunshine> hmm, building my vacuum table for the cnc now .. seem to have so far quite alot of hold down force .. but then theres the bleeder board .. ive seen people use mdf as bleeder but i was thinking something in the lines of "tretex" (ver light fibre board) i wonder how that would work .. as its alot more open than an mdf .. tho the problems i can think of would be alot of vacuum loss when i cut parts out
[08:27:25] <MrSunshine> where maybe the mdf variant will excell ...
[08:53:36] <jthornton> ssi, http://play.golang.org/p/ZShxg6mr31
[08:57:10] <Sync> gawd
[08:57:23] <Sync> none of the counterbores in my chinese lathe are made with a proper counterbore
[08:57:31] <Sync> all of them are made with a regular drill
[09:07:16] <jdh> "custom 118 degree self-centering counterbores"
[09:07:34] * MattyMatt fitted all alu qctp to old iron lathe \o/
[09:07:45] <MattyMatt> all the toolholders are alu too :p
[09:08:25] <MattyMatt> it fits well tho, and seems solid enough
[09:12:41] <MattyMatt> I'm pretty sure the british and americans made plenty of rubbish machines too, 100 years ago, but they were either fixed or scrapped
[09:13:04] <MattyMatt> so we've got a rosy view of our past based on the cherry picked survivors
[09:13:34] <jdh> never thought of it that way
[09:16:25] <MattyMatt> and we only see the small stuff from china, because of the shipping
[09:16:37] <Sync> yeah, all the southbend stuff used to be the cheap stuff
[09:19:30] <MattyMatt> tapping in cast iron feels so nice. I just gotta share :)
[09:22:29] <MattyMatt> real delrin too
[09:22:51] <MattyMatt> other acetal just feels like plastic
[09:54:08] <archivist> MattyMatt, look at an old Gamages lathe :)
[09:54:24] <archivist> or even Drummond
[09:55:27] <archivist> http://www.lathes.co.uk/gamages/
[09:59:09] <archivist> and Adept
[10:01:34] <archivist> ew buyers fighting over one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Super-adept-model-engineers-lathe-/351535516194
[10:02:42] <Wolf_> archivist: got yer box’o parts, haven’t opened it yet, I’ll try to get to it today lol
[10:03:26] <archivist> wee, I found a cheap good level which will be available when it arrives for someone
[10:04:48] <archivist> zeeshan, has been nagging http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/381420124605
[10:06:16] <archivist> Wolf_, thanks again, this is what I want to make up http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-1014-1720
[10:06:39] <Wolf_> I kinda figured lol
[10:07:10] <archivist> :)
[10:07:29] <archivist> make do and mend, my other name mebe
[10:09:24] <Wolf_> speaking of that, i’m going to guess diy on MP9 setup is partly a no go
[10:11:46] <archivist> an IR receiver and a scope to work out the protocol
[10:13:42] <archivist> I have the same problem win an LP2 system, but you could just get inside add a socket or radio device instead
[10:14:22] <Wolf_> there is one on eBay for $90 but listed as For parts/not working
[10:16:37] <archivist> if they crashed it may be dead dead
[10:17:06] <archivist> but the contacts are mechanical so you can repair
[10:17:11] <Wolf_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RENISHAW-MP9-ENCODER-ROTARY-WITH-RUBY-PROBE-USED-FOR-PARTS-ONLY-/111779639915?hash=item1a0695f26b
[10:18:08] <archivist> good sign the stylus looks central
[10:18:45] <archivist> poor thing has has a hard life though
[10:19:28] <archivist> stylus on its own new about £75
[10:22:29] <archivist> in some respects similar to http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=probe+pd+valeron I may only use than as a plain contact, I took out the pcb and battery holder
[10:26:07] <Wolf_> one of these knuckles looks to just need a thread repair coil :_
[10:26:09] <Wolf_> :)
[10:26:44] <archivist> or just remake that part from scratch :)
[10:28:01] <Wolf_> or tap it and adjust for a bigger screw lo;
[10:29:29] <archivist> an adapter
[10:32:44] <archivist> even if the spring contact was broken I can think of a source, a shortened http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100pcs-1-36mm-Crown-Tip-P100-Q1-Spring-PCB-Testing-Contact-Probes-Pin-/191686290719
[10:33:27] <Wolf_> http://imgur.com/a/Rsrqu
[10:33:39] <Wolf_> or do you need direct links?
[10:35:14] <archivist> sometimes imgure works, I can see those
[10:35:57] <archivist> have you got enough to make that probe :)
[10:37:17] <archivist> those knuckles look fixable :)
[10:38:59] <Wolf_> think some parts are missing to make a probe
[10:38:59] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RENISHAW-PH8-PROBE-HEAD-TOUCH-PROBE-AND-STYLUS-NEW-/360592225974
[10:39:35] <Wolf_> yeah, I could make the holder part
[10:40:38] <archivist> actually I think the PH8 is only the holder, do you have a TP2 or TP20
[10:41:43] <Wolf_> nope
[10:41:54] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH3G9Do10ao anyone ever tried this?
[10:42:01] <Wolf_> been looking, picking are low for not new priced ones
[10:42:56] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, hardly worth it is it?
[10:43:45] <PetefromTn_> why would you say that?
[10:45:25] <PetefromTn_> I recently made my wife an LED edge lit sign as a gift and it only has like ten inches of RGB LED lights in it and the damn thing lights our whole bedroom. It is almost TOO bright we have to turn it down on the dimmer LOL
[10:45:58] <PetefromTn_> I have four or five of those florescent 4' fixtures out in the shop and they pretty much suck
[10:46:13] <archivist> lower current use, and depending on drive no flashing and stationary lathe syndrome
[10:46:15] <PetefromTn_> ballasts went out twice in two of them and the bulbs never really were that bright
[10:46:42] <PetefromTn_> my pal Art is actually doing this as we speak
[10:46:55] <jdh> 4ft cheap shop lights are disposable
[10:47:33] <PetefromTn_> he is supposed to send me a picture of his LED stripped florescent fixture next to an existing flourescent fixture with brand new bulbs later today
[10:47:45] <furrywolf> do you have a Costco where you are?
[10:47:46] <PetefromTn_> jdh what does that mean?
[10:47:54] <furrywolf> the one here is selling 4ft LED shoplights for $30ish
[10:47:56] <Wolf_> on the plus side you can get 16’ of that led strip for >$20
[10:48:13] <jdh> pete: it means they are so cheap, throw away and buy a new one.
[10:48:19] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf yeah but do they suck?
[10:48:29] <furrywolf> they don't seem bad. I put two of them over my knee mill.
[10:48:44] <furrywolf> only a few dozen hours on them, but they haven't broken yet.
[10:48:47] <PetefromTn_> you need two over a single knee mill?
[10:49:18] <PetefromTn_> jdh I already have these fixtures and they are already mounted etc...
[10:49:38] <PetefromTn_> taking them down and removing the ballast and sticking down some LED's would only take an hour or two at most
[10:49:46] <furrywolf> the table is something like 5ft wide, and the 6.5ft tall mill is not much below the 7.5ft ceiling... with the table all the way to the side, it would be dark with just one.
[10:49:53] <jdh> I have one that has been turned on for 19 years. It finally failed a few months ago.
[10:50:10] <furrywolf> two gives the whole area a much more even light.
[10:50:18] <jdh> vs. several others that die every few years
[10:50:22] <PetefromTn_> my friend Art says he put two strips in one fixture and it seemed brighter than the florescent one with brand new bulbs
[10:50:45] <PetefromTn_> I am lucky if I get a year out of the bulbs in my shop
[10:50:58] <PetefromTn_> and they are not terribly bright to begin with
[10:51:17] <PetefromTn_> it just seemed like a good cheap idea
[10:51:18] <jdh> I think I paid $11 for the last few fixtures. I wasn't expecting a lot.
[10:51:41] <furrywolf> I've had bad luck with cheap fluorescent shoplights. commercial-grade fixtures work much better... but cost more.
[10:51:42] <PetefromTn_> the strip super bright LED's are cheap as are the plug and play power supplies
[10:52:30] <furrywolf> I have a couple led strips... they're less efficient, and I suspect not very long-lived due to no heatsinking.
[10:52:37] <PetefromTn_> the LED strip light I bought for my wife's edge lit LED sign is on every night here and most of the time they forget to turn it off so it is on all day. It is still extremely bright and works perfect
[10:52:58] <PetefromTn_> there is hardly any heat
[10:53:00] <furrywolf> http://www.costco.com/4%E2%80%99-LED-Shop-Light-with-Chain-2-pack.product.100223617.html looks like they only sell them in 2-packs online... they're individual in the store here.
[10:53:29] <furrywolf> check how many lumens/foot your strips are and do the math. :)
[10:53:33] <PetefromTn_> Oh those are those LED bulb lights
[10:53:52] <PetefromTn_> the replacement bulbs are kinda expensive
[10:54:02] <jdh> shouldn't have to replace them?
[10:54:16] <furrywolf> the bulbs are not replacable. they look like fluorescent tubes, but are molded plastic and part of the unit.
[10:54:30] <furrywolf> it's all looks. :P
[10:54:46] <PetefromTn_> I think I will wait until my friend Art finishes his and see what his pictures look like.
[10:55:02] <PetefromTn_> if they look nice and bright like I expect they would I may try doing the same thing.
[10:55:37] <PetefromTn_> I would LOVE to not have to buy another ballast and dispose of those damn shitty florescent bulbs anymore
[10:55:47] <jdh> how much is a ballast?
[10:56:13] <PetefromTn_> I saw one video where a guy built some fixtures using just some drywall corner bead and strip lights
[10:56:14] <jdh> and how do you dispose of bulbs?
[10:56:29] <PetefromTn_> wth difference does it make?
[10:56:44] <furrywolf> I no longer install anything fluorescent. all LED. I have a few CFLs left in service, that will get replaced with LED when they fail, and part of my living room has two 4ft t12 fixtures, that will also be replaced with LEDs when they fail.
[10:56:46] <jdh> because I have 2 cases of dead bulbs sitting in a corner
[10:57:10] <PetefromTn_> heh me too
[10:57:15] <furrywolf> here the local hardware store will take them free, except for 8ft tubes, and the dump will take some number, I think it's 10 tubes, free.
[10:58:07] <jdh> the fixture taht finally died is bolted to some stuff and harder to replace. ballast would be simpler
[10:58:07] <PetefromTn_> Art is NOT a bullshitter let me tell you and he says he thinks it is going to work great. He said the light is VERY bright and white. Let alone the power savings they will bring assuming they work.
[10:58:40] <PetefromTn_> Lots of people use these strips for under cabinet lighting and crown mold up lighting we did it for our cabinet installs at the shop.
[10:59:01] <furrywolf> cheap led strips are NOT more efficient than fluorescents. you will not see power savings switching from fluorescent to most LED products.
[10:59:06] <PetefromTn_> I have little doubt about the longevity and brightness of the strips
[10:59:25] <PetefromTn_> do you have evidence to back this up?
[11:00:04] <PetefromTn_> honestly I just wanted to see if anyone else here has tried this...
[11:00:11] <PetefromTn_> the answer must be no
[11:00:17] <PetefromTn_> so thanks anyway
[11:00:26] <jdh> I'd be happy for you to come replace a few of mine for testing.
[11:00:29] <PetefromTn_> gotta go out to do some work in the shop now....
[11:01:00] <furrywolf> I have five 10m led strips... I just haven't tried stuffing them in fluorescent fixtures.
[11:01:09] <furrywolf> as to evidence, you can google lm/w ratings too. :)
[11:05:53] <furrywolf> first random 4ft t8 bulb I found puts out 3000lm (initial! they degrade sharply with age) from 32W, for 94lm/w. the costco LED fixtures put out 3700lm from 38W, for 97lm/w. with the fluorescent, half the light has to bounce off the reflector. some of it is at a good angle and 90% bounces out, some of it bounces back into the bulb and doesn't make it out. actual light output is substantially lower than the bulb output, especially if y
[11:08:20] <furrywolf> Not finding too many detailed specs on strip leds, one claims 60lm/w, another 100lm/watt. these are ratings of only the bare strip, not including an 80-90% supply efficiency.
[11:09:23] <furrywolf> another is "82 Lumens / 1.5 Watts per foot", or 55lm/w. again not including power supply losses.
[11:11:00] <SpeedEvil> If you DIY, you can approach 200lm/W
[11:11:15] <SpeedEvil> If you don't care much about colour temperature.
[11:12:22] <SpeedEvil> 'all' the retail LED lamps are using the LEDs at their rated wattage, for obvious reasons.
[11:12:48] <furrywolf> a site claiming to have "Brightest LED strip lights on the market " is ungodly expensive, "Needs to be attached to aluminum for heat dissipation", and is 874lm/ft, 8.9W/ft, so 98lm/w (not including power supply losses, figure 80-90lm/w with them).
[11:12:57] <SpeedEvil> If you derate teh LEDs to 33%, you typically get a 30-50% improvement in light output. Then, again, you can easily gain 10% for a more efficient PSU
[11:13:25] <furrywolf> so depending on the LED strip, you may or may not exceed fluorescent's efficiency.
[11:14:04] <furrywolf> strip seems to vary very widely.
[11:14:07] <SpeedEvil> Exceeding CFLs efficiency is usual.
[11:14:18] <SpeedEvil> Exceeding linear fluorescants is hard.
[11:14:53] <furrywolf> yep
[11:15:37] <SpeedEvil> Doing both is easy if you DIY.
[11:15:43] <furrywolf> the low-cost strip I'm finding seems to run 55-60lm/w at 12v, so 45-55ish at 120v... which makes even CFLs look good. only expensive strip compares to non-strip light sources.
[11:16:08] <SpeedEvil> Then again, ...
[11:16:31] <SpeedEvil> properly arranged striplinght as task lighting, not room lighting, may be _way_ more efficient than even the best lighting.
[11:16:49] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: how about glued to the inside of 48" shoplights? :)
[11:17:17] <SpeedEvil> If they're aluminium, they might almost be easy to do.
[11:17:32] <Akex_> JT-Shop: thanks for yesterday
[11:17:33] <SpeedEvil> glue on some stars, put an efficient DC-DC in there.
[11:17:39] <Akex_> My button work fine
[11:17:57] <Akex_> Hy all just another question
[11:18:07] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: I'm trying to convince pete that just buying LED shoplights is easier, cheaper, and more efficient than DIYing them from old shoplights and led strips. :)
[11:18:22] <SpeedEvil> yeah - from LED strips, I'd agree
[11:18:29] <Akex_> There are a Gcode for reload a tool table ?
[11:26:24] <Sync> heh
[11:26:39] <Sync> scraping the cross slide is quick work with the biax
[11:27:40] <furrywolf> it's drizzling outside... is it worth trying to find yard sales?
[11:28:05] <furrywolf> on one paw, I've had really good luck at yard sale this summer... on the other paw, it's not summer anymore.
[11:31:04] <furrywolf> bbl
[11:38:48] <Sync> and in to the dishwasher the saddle goes
[11:59:32] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/4oUgUEU I'll just leave this here ;)
[12:00:15] <archivist> glare
[12:01:11] <archivist> and different colour tubes/LEDs in those fittings
[14:50:18] <OhmEye> Aloha. I installed linuxcnc 2.7 using the livecd and am confused why the docs call it ubuntu when it appears to be debian wheezy. Some steps in the docs don't match or exist because the livecd isn't using ubuntu. Is there an ubuntu livecd? The only one I see linked is wheezy
[14:51:29] <Wolf_> I think wheezy is the new thing
[14:51:47] <OhmEye> ah, so just docs not caught up yet probably
[14:53:21] <Wolf_> I dunno, I started with 2.7 pre7, haven’t had to use the docs too much for install, most of the configuration stuff doesn’t matter which its on I think
[14:54:02] <aventtini6> hellooo
[14:54:39] <Wolf_> I really need to start modeling stuff fully before making it...
[14:55:31] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/JAQu2yN.png?1 motor won’t fit cause I didn’t leave enough room for the ball screw shaft and couplers lol
[14:55:45] <aventtini6> how know this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0rVbVixMw8
[14:55:50] <MattyMatt> model it in balsa?
[14:55:56] <OhmEye> it doesn't. really. I am mostly curious. there is OS stuff like automating login that doesn't match the docs that I had to figure out. not a big deal, just want to make sure I'm using the right thing
[14:56:24] <OhmEye> wheezy is like 2.5 years old, so thought maybe I had something ancient for a moment,.heh
[14:56:36] <Wolf_> hah, yeah that got me too, I was looking for the autologin stuff as well
[14:57:57] <OhmEye> I have a new cnc3020 and am going through the learning curve on it now, so doublechecking a lot of stuff as I go along, heh
[14:59:02] <OhmEye> was pleasantly surprised the spindle PWM was prewired with a switch out of the box, was expecting to have to do that based on reading around the web. Just doing things one step at a time
[15:00:53] <andypugh> Wolf_: At least you discovered that in CAD rather than metal.
[15:01:13] <Wolf_> andypugh: nope http://i.imgur.com/cbTjU5A.jpg
[15:01:22] <andypugh> (though there looks to e room there to me)
[15:03:44] <DaViruz> Wolf_: what kind of collets do you plan to run with the pneumatic drawbar?
[15:03:51] <DaViruz> MT-collets?
[15:03:57] <andypugh> One (extreme) solution: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/uncategorised-metalworking-machines/172314-cnc.html
[15:04:03] <Wolf_> thats a r8 setup
[15:04:07] <DaViruz> oh
[15:04:14] <Wolf_> with tormach holders
[15:04:14] <andypugh> Tormach TTS?
[15:04:22] <DaViruz> oh, i see you've modified the spindle carrier now
[15:04:43] <DaViruz> (i have an X1 as well, which i have made provisions for pneumatic drawbar on)
[15:04:58] <Wolf_> thats a x2 head and column
[15:05:15] <DaViruz> i see
[15:05:37] <Wolf_> well, most of the head anyways
[15:06:08] <Wolf_> spindle half of is a high torque mini mill head
[15:06:24] <Wolf_> so, no holes for the high/low gears
[15:06:25] <DaViruz> i planned to run morse taper collets on mine, though i'm not sure a 80mm cylinder would have the oomph to release them
[15:06:39] <andypugh> Why do Aliexpress advertise sexy ladies clothing to me? I am about the least likely person in the world to buy any.
[15:07:56] <DaViruz> i also had som vague plans to rebore the spindle for R8
[15:08:24] <Sync> andypugh: they can try, tho
[15:08:39] <DaViruz> ..then i got a real cnc mill with bt30 spindle
[15:08:48] <Wolf_> that cylinder is a 3”, there has been some question to if 658lbs springs are enough to hold it
[15:09:27] <DaViruz> but now i have to sell the big mill, so i might need to start working on the X1 again. though it works good enough for me with manual tool changes
[15:09:36] <andypugh> Sync: But they stand more chance selling me tooling or computer parts
[15:10:01] <DaViruz> http://www.blocket.se/vi/63155445.htm
[15:10:03] <DaViruz> please buy it!
[15:10:04] <DaViruz> :)
[15:13:31] <Wolf_> I think shipping would kill me on that
[15:15:00] <DaViruz> probably
[15:15:19] <Wolf_> intersting setup andypugh
[15:17:00] <Sync> hmm, I need to stop going to finishing way too early when scraping
[15:18:10] <Wolf_> DaViruz: seeing you mentioned a X1 http://i.imgur.com/kYDtEtW.jpg :D
[15:18:50] <MattyMatt> hex boring looks fun :)
[15:19:26] <DaViruz> interesting.. :)
[15:19:32] <MattyMatt> they coulda done that 100 years ago with cams
[15:20:05] <MattyMatt> maybe those B&S screw machines do, for external hex
[15:21:49] <MattyMatt> toolpost \o/ http://i.imgur.com/tqLSe6W.jpg
[15:23:08] <Sync> are those two universal shaft bearing blocks?
[15:23:16] <DaViruz> looks like
[15:23:49] <MattyMatt> arr
[15:24:23] <MattyMatt> original was a yoke. so I consider this an upgrade
[15:25:02] <MattyMatt> even tho I've lost an inch or two of bed, and the gap
[15:26:41] <aventtini6> guy has any of you own a toyoda vmc
[15:26:42] <aventtini6> ?
[15:31:44] <MattyMatt> http://imgur.com/a/piCdr#3 Here's what mine must have looked like once
[15:31:54] <MattyMatt> ^lathe not toyota
[15:32:08] <aventtini6> VMC
[15:33:10] <MattyMatt> oops sorry :)
[15:33:29] <Wolf_> thats diffrent... lol
[15:35:16] <andypugh> MattyMatt: Have you looked through lathes.co.uk?
[15:35:34] <andypugh> (Admittedly that does take quite a long time)
[15:35:35] <MattyMatt> yep, couldn't see it there
[15:36:24] <MattyMatt> and I hadn't seen that photo at the time
[15:36:45] <MattyMatt> my curiosity is satisfied, mine is hardly a museum piece anymore
[15:36:52] <andypugh> I think I might have seen it there
[15:38:13] <aventtini6> im tryng to get a new project . A fadal from 93 or a toyoda from 91 with mitubishi drives
[15:51:19] <Sync> gave up on the maho?
[15:55:53] <aventtini6> not yet
[15:55:56] <XXCoder> fadal 93 sucks
[15:56:06] <aventtini6> i found out they are 9v
[15:56:07] <XXCoder> I like fadal 1988 better even with its bad design issues.
[15:56:28] <XXCoder> 88 drains in back for example, not front like many machines.
[15:56:37] <aventtini6> im on it just on hold untill i fix the encoders
[15:57:13] <aventtini6> this toyoda has some mitubishi drives and absolute encoders no limits
[15:57:33] <aventtini6> so i was thinking its a new stuff unlike the fadal
[16:14:23] <OhmEye> I'm looking for an open or linux based alternative to cambam to use with a cnc3020, any recommendations for something to look at?
[16:16:47] <MattyMatt> do you blender?
[16:16:51] <OhmEye> yes
[16:17:32] <OhmEye> not so much for modelling, but for STL manipulation and video editing/compositing
[16:18:25] <MattyMatt> the CAM script for that works ok. no idea how it compares to cambam tho
[16:18:37] <OhmEye> looking at blender cam now thanks
[16:19:01] <MattyMatt> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?GcodeGenerator
[16:19:17] <OhmEye> oh that's different. thanks again
[16:19:31] <OhmEye> was looking at http://blendercam.blogspot.com/p/blender-cam-description.html
[16:19:46] <andypugh> OhmEye: How do you feel about Linux but payed-for?
[16:20:07] <OhmEye> andypugh: fine if it's not out of my budget
[16:20:40] <OhmEye> has to be good enough vs windows options though
[16:20:54] <andypugh> I assume that CamBam Linux version was in-budget but not adequate?
[16:21:18] <OhmEye> I avoid anything based on mono by reflex, it's horribly unstable
[16:21:42] <andypugh> I have found CamBam stable on Linux
[16:21:55] <OhmEye> good to know, thanks :)
[16:22:06] <OhmEye> same license work for both lin and win?
[16:22:08] <andypugh> I am going to assume that NX is out of budget?
[16:22:53] <Deejay> gn8
[16:22:55] <OhmEye> no idea what nx costs tbh
[16:23:11] <andypugh> (Windows, Mac, Linux-like, I assume 10k$+ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_NX )
[16:23:50] <OhmEye> yeah, way out of budget for a $600 small hobby router and my needs, heh
[16:25:08] <andypugh> It might be fun to ask them :-)
[16:25:53] <MattyMatt> yay, I didn't know about Blender Cam. that looks a little more flexible
[16:25:54] <OhmEye> I asked solidworks in 2010 about a hobbyist license, that was kinda fun, heh
[16:26:20] <andypugh> Other than SheetCAM (2.5D at best, but good for 2D) I only know of Synergy: http://www.webersys.com that runs on Linux
[16:27:06] <MattyMatt> I took yoyoek's one and expanded it to do stuff with curves for me, but I chased it right up the 2.49 api alley
[16:27:33] <andypugh> When my 30 day trial of InventorHSM expires I think I will be paying by the month for Autodesk Fusion 360 CAM on my Mac
[16:27:40] <OhmEye> tbh I think cambam looks like everything I need, it would just be more convenient to not use windows. And free is always nice but the price isn't bad for it
[16:28:15] <andypugh> CamBam is pretty good, the price is reasonable, and it does run on Linux.
[16:29:53] <OhmEye> heh. synergy talks a lot about how affordable it is but doesn't mention price that I see, just contact info. That's usually a clue it's more than hobby pricing but I will check them out thanks
[16:30:57] <MattyMatt> tell them it's for an apprentice
[16:31:07] <MattyMatt> they might give you student rate :)
[16:31:08] <OhmEye> yeah, as long as the cambam license lets me run on both win and lin, I'll probably do that, worst case if something is flaky on lin I can hop on a windows box
[16:31:34] <andypugh> MeshCAM is a bit more polished than CamBam for a bit more money. Not Linux-native but they say it runs under Wine.
[16:31:59] <OhmEye> wine is often much more stable than mono in my experience, good to know
[16:32:11] <humble_sea_bass> wine gives me intestinal distress
[16:33:41] <OhmEye> meshcam even mentions alibre file support
[16:33:57] <OhmEye> native file support is great when it works
[16:35:44] <ssi> andypugh: have you had luck with fusion on osx?
[16:35:57] <ssi> I tried it and it was slow enough to be unusable, on brand new modern hardware
[16:36:07] <ssi> I dunno if it was due to the fact that I have crappy slow internet here
[16:36:20] <andypugh> I haven’t used it hard, and haven’t touched the CAM part much.
[16:37:04] <andypugh> Hmm, Actually, I am getting confused between Fusion 360 and the Fusion App that I installed a wile back
[16:38:07] <XXCoder> wow sheetcam homepage is boring
[16:38:23] <XXCoder> so boring that google first few results is pages in that site but not homepage
[16:39:22] <OhmEye> any opinions on sheetcam?
[16:40:17] <XXCoder> synergy is priceless on website. I'm priced out
[16:41:00] <OhmEye> yeah the sheetcam site is like 1995 flashback, heh
[16:41:17] <XXCoder> scaled properly though
[16:41:32] <XXCoder> https://urukrama.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/setting-a-custom-gtk-theme-for-specific-applications/
[16:41:40] <XXCoder> 2008 but 1990s style lol
[16:41:44] <XXCoder> very small width
[16:43:52] <malcom2073> That was a good yard sale, got myself a tapamatic for $100
[16:44:04] <Wolf_> cool
[16:44:36] <malcom2073> My dad sold most of the aluminum and brass he brought, walked away well into the positive too
[16:44:45] <XXCoder> bobcam uses "powerful" "easily" a lot.
[16:47:04] <XXCoder> http://pycam.sourceforge.net/
[16:47:06] <XXCoder> HMM
[16:47:40] <malcom2073> I gave up on pycam after it took 2 hours to create a toolpath off its default model with default settings, and never actually finished heh
[16:47:56] <MattyMatt> http://www.tools-n-gizmos.com/specs/Tapmatic_NCRT_10.jpg don't take it apart for fun :)
[16:47:59] <malcom2073> Maybe it's gotten better in the past 6 months though
[16:48:14] <malcom2073> Haha MattyMatt I have no plans to take this one apart, it looks brand new
[16:48:20] <malcom2073> I hear there is magic inside
[16:48:21] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: easy! heh jk
[16:50:49] <XXCoder> cad http://cad.about.com/od/Personal_CAD/tp/Five-Top-Free-Cad-Packages.htm
[16:53:24] <MattyMatt> that looks like a cunning ad for Draught* stuff. slipped in between the 3 best known
[16:53:53] <XXCoder> its not recommanded for seruous stuff
[16:57:09] <XXCoder> other one that has draftsight in middle
[16:57:14] <XXCoder> *other site
[17:01:45] <Sync> andypugh: the answer from NX/creo is "pirate it"
[17:01:53] <MattyMatt> is there anyone on youtube specialising in CAM reviews? that'd be a great way to get it all free
[17:02:04] <MattyMatt> I'd sell my
[17:02:06] <XXCoder> playing with librecad now
[17:02:22] <MattyMatt> a portion of my soul for SW and topsolid licences
[17:03:49] <malcom2073> MattyMatt: Go to school, student licenses aren't terrible
[17:04:01] <MattyMatt> meh student fees are
[17:04:11] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: audit
[17:04:12] <malcom2073> Or join the US army, get the $20 veteran license
[17:04:19] <MattyMatt> £9000pa for Uni here now
[17:04:23] <Sync> or you just get it from your university
[17:04:33] <Wolf_> or torrent a hax copy :P
[17:04:39] <Wolf_> i mean demo
[17:04:40] <malcom2073> Shhhhhh
[17:05:02] <XXCoder> malcom2073: miliary do not always means vet. vet means went to war somewhere. all vets are soldiers but not all soldiers are vets
[17:05:07] <malcom2073> Torrenting does them a service, if you ever get a job where you have a choice between solidworks or something else, if you know solidworks due to torrenting, you're more likely to suggest your job buy it
[17:05:13] <MattyMatt> I did that, but then my concience kicked in and I never installed it
[17:05:37] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: you heard of auditing classes?
[17:05:38] <malcom2073> XXCoder: dd214 card carrier rather
[17:05:48] <malcom2073> Which is everyone who is in
[17:05:50] <XXCoder> tend to be really cheap, but you dont get grades
[17:05:50] <MattyMatt> indeed. that's why win98 copy protection was crappy. the last thing they wanted was for you to find an alternative
[17:06:26] <malcom2073> That being said, piracy is bad and you shouldn't do it
[17:06:34] <Sync> doeeet
[17:06:49] <XXCoder> I rather suspect that all versions before win10 but after win98 has bug that allows you to do full install from upgrade for pretty much same reason
[17:07:04] <MattyMatt> if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. poor people should hack on blender
[17:07:07] <Wolf_> I look at it this way, a lot of downloaded stuff isn’t losing a sale of something you wouldnt buy…
[17:07:08] <XXCoder> just install, dont put serial # in
[17:07:17] <XXCoder> then upgrade it using same cd, but use serial this time
[17:07:27] <malcom2073> XXCoder: I got windows 8 for free in a similar way
[17:08:22] <XXCoder> binary thinking
[17:08:33] <MattyMatt> ah don't put serial in at all. I was putting XP home in with genuine key off CD, then upgrading to pro with key off machine
[17:08:56] <MattyMatt> that worked once, but I can't reproduce it
[17:09:00] <MattyMatt> and WGA fails
[17:09:19] <XXCoder> thats weird. must be specific bug to xp
[17:10:39] <MattyMatt> is online XP activation supposed to be allowed atm?
[17:11:26] <MattyMatt> I assert my right to run XP pro on my pile of deadish thinkpads
[17:11:36] <XXCoder> librecad seems allright for 2d
[17:11:58] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: dunno if microsoft still has xp activatuon servers up
[17:12:22] <XXCoder> if not well theres probably microsoft activation emulator for xp
[17:12:33] <MattyMatt> use for a raspi
[17:12:47] <MattyMatt> it can the update server too
[17:12:52] <MattyMatt> be
[17:13:33] <XXCoder> http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2529977/howto-activate-windows.html
[17:13:34] <MattyMatt> and the netboot, for the thinkpads that don't warrant a pata hdd purchase
[17:23:03] <MattyMatt> one thing linux has done, is sap away the hacking energy that in the 80s would have disassembled every last dll of windows
[17:23:13] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-To-Bypass-Windows-30-day-Activation-Product-/?ALLSTEPS
[17:23:30] <XXCoder> I have moved on from windows so i dont have that problem anymore lol
[17:24:31] <MattyMatt> "Now press the windows key + U and Microsoft Narrator should pop up. " tricky on a model M
[17:24:38] <MattyMatt> and an old thinkpad
[17:24:45] <XXCoder> usb keyboard
[17:24:48] <MattyMatt> :)
[17:24:58] <XXCoder> yeah thought it was more of perment thing. oh well
[17:25:41] <XXCoder> it do give me a idea though
[17:25:54] <XXCoder> copy explorer.exe and replace activte exe file with it
[17:25:58] <XXCoder> rename same
[17:25:59] <MattyMatt> I can't find a modern distro that works well on them, even the ones with ati7500 which run ubuntu 10.04 fine
[17:26:02] <XXCoder> maybe it would work
[17:26:16] <XXCoder> ubuntu 5.0 or thereabouts would work
[17:26:34] <XXCoder> or damn small linux
[17:26:51] <XXCoder> or puppy linux (this one I think is livecd/flashdrive only?)
[17:27:08] <Wolf_> fun, more parts to make… http://i.imgur.com/IlS0g40.png?1
[17:28:17] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: may have finally found it. https://www.facebook.com/notes/hacking-with-crazylearner/how-to-make-your-windows-xp-sp2sp3-genuine-no-crack-or-activator-needed/552668368116195
[17:29:52] <MattyMatt> sweet. I'll spend a day trying all these methods
[17:30:10] <MattyMatt> maybe first I'll make the netboot server, because 21 thinkpads
[17:30:24] <XXCoder> yeah imager would work
[17:30:27] <jdh> I have a win7 box at work that is off network that keeps saying it is not genuine
[17:30:28] <XXCoder> much faster
[17:32:14] <MattyMatt> usb 1.0 I ain't booting off usb either. netboot off 100Mb ether is probably fastest I can do
[17:32:42] <MattyMatt> and no sata ports, so I'm cold swapping approx 10 drives between 21 machines
[17:32:47] <JT-Shop> zlog
[17:32:56] <jdh> why are you using 21 ancient machines?
[17:33:13] <MattyMatt> because they were £106 inluding delivery
[17:33:24] <MattyMatt> and one of them had the parts I need to fix mine :)
[17:33:34] <XXCoder> only one?
[17:33:37] <JT-Shop> Akex_, yw
[17:33:47] <XXCoder> and 106 each or for all, shipped?
[17:33:53] <MattyMatt> all shipped
[17:33:57] <XXCoder> dang
[17:34:03] <XXCoder> useless for me but good deal
[17:34:22] <MattyMatt> no psu, very few hdd, some keybs and screens dead
[17:34:42] <MattyMatt> but better nick than the parts collection I was expecting
[17:35:08] <MattyMatt> so now I've got a farm of sick machines
[17:35:28] <MattyMatt> instead of the meat wagon I ordered
[17:35:31] <XXCoder> can you make 10 working laptops?
[17:35:42] <MattyMatt> easy 10, more like 15
[17:37:21] <MattyMatt> the parport showed up on the T31, but that's sooo slow. even with U10.04 running xfce
[17:37:33] <MattyMatt> too slow for Axis for sure
[17:38:01] <XXCoder> puppy linux>?
[17:38:14] <MattyMatt> is it headless? no X?
[17:38:22] <MattyMatt> that's what I need on these I think
[17:38:36] <XXCoder> it is normal linux os, but very very very lightweight
[17:38:46] <XXCoder> http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm
[17:39:23] <XXCoder> its designed to run off flash drive or cd, but yeah
[17:40:15] <MattyMatt> meh, I either need RTLinux with the parports working, for disposable linuxcnc machines, or I need XP running so I can offload the laptops to family and friends
[17:40:25] <XXCoder> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[17:40:38] <XXCoder> its so small it can run on basically anything
[17:40:39] <MattyMatt> or I need a beowulf cluster :)
[17:40:49] <XXCoder> download itself is smaller than windows 98
[17:40:54] <XXCoder> 50 mb
[17:41:10] <XXCoder> its minium is 486dx 16 mb ram
[17:41:16] <XXCoder> so yeah it can run on your laptops
[17:41:45] <jdh> I have a set of SLS floppies you an install
[17:41:53] <XXCoder> it havent been updated for a bit thoughh
[17:42:32] <MattyMatt> no floppy drives
[17:43:43] <MattyMatt> tell a lie. I think I have one in a DOA T21 I got, and that'll got in some of the working ones
[17:45:39] <MattyMatt> well every now and then I give a few hours to another attempt. I'm managing my expectations for these old ones
[17:46:10] <XXCoder> honestly $10 CHiP probably are faster than those laptops
[17:46:51] <MattyMatt> raspi was disappointing for a 4 core
[17:47:13] <XXCoder> CHiP is a complete computer
[17:47:23] <XXCoder> so most normal linux distro would work in it
[17:49:57] <MattyMatt> woulda coulda shoulda
[17:50:28] <XXCoder> my bro should get his soon
[17:50:36] <MattyMatt> they SHOULD work on old thinkpads. they were well supported by old kernels
[17:50:39] <XXCoder> while mine will come in dec.
[17:50:55] <XXCoder> DSL should work
[17:51:18] <MattyMatt> I think it's something in modern X, that seems to have broken the old machines
[17:52:00] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/7pqBqyP When not to follow the plans
[17:52:02] <XXCoder> maybe
[17:59:21] <JT-Shop> ssi_, you see the code?
[18:02:40] <andypugh> SpeedEvil: DO you think it is real? It looks like the windows will fail to drain.
[18:06:22] <SpeedEvil> I'm about 90% sure it's photoshop.
[18:06:25] <SpeedEvil> But it amused.
[18:07:32] <andypugh> SpeedEvil: If you would tell which way the tiles were hanging you could tell for sure.
[18:12:01] <JT-Shop> I purchased a car tire for my Spyder and the disclaimer says "because you purchased less than 4 tires you must mount it on the rear" good thing it is for the back tire lol
[18:12:15] <andypugh> google images for “upside down house” shows many, but not that one.
[18:13:06] <andypugh> I can imagine that they might sell fewer than 4 tyres, but selling less than 4 is an odd concept.
[18:16:38] <MattyMatt> unless it's 4 remoulds
[18:16:59] <MattyMatt> then you're getting less than 4 new ones
[18:17:28] <andypugh> I took the Ner-a-Car to France. Some minor roadside repairs were needed: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/QSqBNNCyEvvIp4iturKLOmBFMjvJ8uf7R3jx4_Kctgw?feat=directlink
[18:17:53] <MattyMatt> http://www.dezeen.com/2012/02/25/city-portraits-by-victor-enrich/ yep that building was photoshop
[18:19:32] <MattyMatt> my triumph resembled that more than a modern motorbike :)
[18:20:04] <MattyMatt> nice lowrider
[18:22:35] <MattyMatt> it took me 3 days to get home from devon. thankfully it was still in the days when you could find whitworth bolts in the gutter at truck stops
[18:22:58] <andypugh> It only took me 4.5 hours to do 20 miles.
[18:23:28] <andypugh> I must have taken the plug out a hundred times, but only took the engine out once.
[18:24:56] <andypugh> And I finally found a use for the connecting nuts that hold-down kits have, and the longest of the studs: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/FiA9gLbVBcagAD3MRxfXU9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[18:27:47] <andypugh> B&Q pricing for MDF boards makes no sense. A 1220 x 606 board is £13. A 120 x 2440 is £20. And they offer free cutting.
[18:28:02] <andypugh> (sorry, the second one was 1220)
[18:28:20] <MattyMatt> but the man who works the saw isn't always there
[18:28:58] <andypugh> The man who works the saw cut my 2440 x 1220 into 325mm squares for me. Which saved a fair bit of effort :-)
[18:30:36] <MattyMatt> go on then, tell us what you need a giant block of mdf for
[18:31:34] <andypugh> I am making a foundry pattern
[18:32:12] <MattyMatt> that's a deep one
[18:32:18] <jthornton> that what a mill table is for...
[18:33:45] <MattyMatt> I keep crying about no inspection plate, forgetting I've got a lovely flat mill
[18:34:13] <MattyMatt> flat enough for marking out etc, anyway
[18:35:21] <andypugh> More on the pattern I am making, in “another place” http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?51085-Pattern-Making-(Off-Topic)
[18:36:30] <Sync> > 12" x 304.8mm x 8"
[18:36:36] <Sync> cdo kicking in hard
[18:37:50] <Sync> andypugh: cheap closed cell foam is found in industrial estate insulation
[18:39:13] <andypugh> Insulation foam isn’t hard enough.
[18:39:47] <andypugh> They use lots of high density PU for proto jobs art work, but by the time I get my hands on it it has been machined. :-)
[18:40:44] <Sync> oh it is plenty hard
[18:40:55] <Sync> at least the stuff I get
[18:41:09] <Sync> it is softer than ureol, but still good enough for molds
[18:42:33] <Sync> you can also just make your own PU core
[18:42:59] <andypugh> I have a large stack of shopping bags hoarded for that purpose.
[18:43:09] <andypugh> I just need to bother.
[18:43:32] <Sync> I found the insulation stuff ideal
[18:43:38] <Sync> +to be
[18:43:57] <MattyMatt> £85 is cheaper than I'd have expected for a casting that size
[18:44:00] <Sync> after the negative is milled you add a bit of resin and polish it out
[18:44:01] <Jymmmm> FLUFFY FLUFFY FLUFFY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu_m5diSk4k
[18:44:07] <andypugh> I have tried the blue stuff, and that didn’t work.
[18:44:14] <MattyMatt> is that in iron?
[18:44:28] <andypugh> MattyMatt: Yes
[18:48:31] <andypugh> It looks like he doesn’t have a web site any more, but https://plus.google.com/117843202793672038457/posts
[18:48:57] <andypugh> (Actually, the “about tab is better”)
[18:49:21] <jthornton> cool, I can parse the dxf file and get the entities out and put each one in a slice... on to finding the xyz end points
[18:49:32] <andypugh> Generally cheaper than buying a block of aluminium and milling from solid. And you end up with a better thing.
[18:52:21] <MattyMatt> I should enquire at local founder I hear is in New Brighton
[18:53:03] <MattyMatt> seeing as I'll never melt metal on momma's land, while she has the strength to stop me
[18:54:16] <MattyMatt> she's away till monday actually. stealth melt tomorrow?
[18:54:40] <MattyMatt> meh, not set up for it. no sand
[18:55:12] <MattyMatt> I've got bricks and a bag of charcoal, for a one shot furnace
[19:08:58] <Jymmmm> FLUFFY FLUFFY FLUFFY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccnwzScp6bM
[19:13:23] <zeeshan> hello :d
[19:13:37] <zeeshan> what a long day :p
[19:13:38] <zeeshan> 12 hours!
[19:15:26] <XXCoder> zeeshan: good morning
[19:15:38] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/lJiIs
[19:15:41] <zeeshan> todays action shots
[19:15:46] <zeeshan> moved like 1500lb or stuff
[19:15:56] <zeeshan> note the sharpie on the spindle motor
[19:15:56] <zeeshan> :D
[19:16:01] <zeeshan> that motor is huge!
[19:17:40] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:17:44] <XXCoder> lathe?
[19:19:50] <Sync> I was gonna say it is quite a lot smaller than I expected from the pictures
[19:22:25] <andypugh> The X servo doesn’t lack heft
[19:23:42] <andypugh> The thing with the multi-groove pulley is a spindle gearbox?
[19:38:12] <zeeshan> sorry was showering
[19:38:18] <zeeshan> was filthy :P
[19:38:30] <Tom_itx> phew
[19:38:35] <zeeshan> x and z servo are same size
[19:38:41] <zeeshan> andypugh: yes
[19:38:42] <XXCoder> zeeshan: I could smell you but I was too nice
[19:38:44] <zeeshan> and notice the brake disc
[19:38:46] <XXCoder> to say it
[19:38:55] <zeeshan> its got a hydraulic brake on it
[19:39:08] <zeeshan> the one thing im not sure what this is
[19:39:08] <Sync> yeah why not
[19:39:10] <zeeshan> and ive never seen this before..
[19:39:17] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/7FTPMhJ.jpg
[19:39:18] <zeeshan> in this pic
[19:39:21] <zeeshan> look @ the very right
[19:39:25] <zeeshan> there is this finned silver thing
[19:39:32] <zeeshan> i think its a rotary union
[19:39:43] <zeeshan> a really big one
[19:39:55] <zeeshan> that maybe is responsible for opening the chuck ?
[19:40:04] <andypugh> Sounds likely
[19:40:16] <Sync> probably
[19:40:27] <zeeshan> i dunno if you guys see the casting
[19:40:30] <zeeshan> it is frigging ridiculus
[19:40:32] <zeeshan> when i saw it
[19:40:35] <zeeshan> it put a smile on my face
[19:40:44] <zeeshan> im not running any of those stupid back covers anymore
[19:40:46] <Connor> zeeshan: Where do you have this machine at ?
[19:40:46] <andypugh> It might be rigid enough
[19:40:50] <Sync> yeah it is massive
[19:40:57] <zeeshan> they are BEEFY!!!
[19:41:07] <Tom_itx> save the tin and cut it down to size
[19:41:09] <andypugh> I thought my little lathe was over-engineered, but you win
[19:41:12] <zeeshan> connor its in a storage place
[19:41:19] <zeeshan> they deliver prolly monday or tuesday
[19:41:23] <andypugh> But then mine is only a 10” 2.2kW toy :-)
[19:41:56] <Connor> I don't want, or need anything that big.
[19:42:26] <andypugh> I certainly don’t _need_ anything that big. I can’t say the same of “:want|
[19:42:36] <zeeshan> i dont need it either
[19:42:40] <zeeshan> actually i do :P
[19:42:44] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, what's all the hoses? hydraulics?
[19:42:45] <zeeshan> it's efverything i wanted
[19:42:46] <Connor> I have no place for it either.
[19:42:51] <zeeshan> except the fact it has no sub spindle
[19:43:25] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: yes
[19:43:25] <Tom_itx> one about half that size would be grand for me
[19:43:27] <zeeshan> a lot of hdyraulics
[19:43:45] <zeeshan> fuck you tormach slant bed pos
[19:43:47] <zeeshan> this is a real lathe!!
[19:43:58] <andypugh> It seems to have a lot of hydraulics. I gess that the drawbar / chuck actuator is hydraulic, it just looks hydraulic rather than pneumatic somehow.
[19:44:05] <zeeshan> a real lathe should take out all the power out of your neighbourhood
[19:44:12] <zeeshan> andypugh: yes a lot of hyd
[19:44:30] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, when you power it up see if the neighbor's lights dim
[19:44:31] <zeeshan> so far ive noticed the brake caliper is hyd, chuck acutator , tail stock, are all hd
[19:44:33] <zeeshan> hyd
[19:44:36] <andypugh> I actually like the look of the Tormach slantbed.
[19:44:43] <zeeshan> also the tool changer is hd
[19:44:44] <zeeshan> hyd
[19:44:50] <zeeshan> (to unlock it)
[19:45:04] <zeeshan> andypugh: 60 ipm is no lathe :P
[19:45:09] <andypugh> The only problem with hydrauilcs is the noise.
[19:45:22] <zeeshan> it doesnt bother me on the mikron
[19:45:28] <zeeshan> it has a 1.5hp motor
[19:45:30] <zeeshan> this thing has a 2hp
[19:45:36] <Tom_itx> earbuds fix that
[19:45:46] <zeeshan> im a really happy person today
[19:45:49] <zeeshan> now i can see this fitting the garage
[19:46:05] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, is it the day after christmas and you got your wish list?
[19:46:16] <zeeshan> nah man
[19:46:19] <zeeshan> i need this for side business
[19:46:28] <zeeshan> ive been getting a lot of lathe orders that ive been rejecting
[19:46:34] <andypugh> Fitting in the garage is one thing, can you stand far enough away to focus on the screen?
[19:46:46] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, you use mastercam for lathe as well?
[19:46:50] <zeeshan> yes
[19:47:13] <zeeshan> i was looking at the transmission pulley belts to spindle pulley
[19:47:14] <zeeshan> 10 belts
[19:47:21] <zeeshan> these guys went super overkill on them
[19:47:24] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't plan on moving it around in your garage
[19:47:41] <zeeshan> i was doing some rough calculations, it'd take around 50hp to slip those v-belts
[19:47:49] <andypugh> Be careful with the belts. I think you need to buy a set of 10, rather than 10 belts.
[19:47:50] <zeeshan> @ 3500 rpm
[19:48:02] <Tom_itx> ^^ yeah what andy szid
[19:48:04] <Tom_itx> said
[19:48:17] <zeeshan> they look in good condition
[19:48:20] <zeeshan> not going to be replacing em
[19:48:24] <zeeshan> no cracks or anything that i could see
[19:48:34] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: why cant i move it in the garage
[19:48:35] <andypugh> OK, we just hadn’t seen any
[19:48:46] <Tom_itx> you gonna use a cherry picker?
[19:48:54] <zeeshan> thats what i used to unload all the cabinets
[19:48:57] <zeeshan> and trans and motor etc
[19:49:02] <zeeshan> they're really heavy
[19:49:10] <Tom_itx> not like the frame
[19:49:15] <zeeshan> no
[19:49:18] <zeeshan> that'll be on machine skates
[19:49:23] <zeeshan> and a long ass bar to lever it into place
[19:49:37] <zeeshan> if the 6000lb machine was easy to move
[19:49:40] <zeeshan> this should be okay too
[19:49:43] <zeeshan> only thing is the base is wider
[19:49:48] <zeeshan> so that'll make it challenging a bit
[19:49:49] <andypugh> Apparently non-matched belts in multi-belt arrangments “fight” each other and cause vibration and finish problems.
[19:50:06] <Tom_itx> better leave rear access in case you gotta replace a hydraulic hose
[19:50:13] <zeeshan> im replacing them all
[19:50:16] <zeeshan> not taking changes
[19:50:19] <zeeshan> they got these STUPID ASS
[19:50:31] <zeeshan> non swivel npt or japanese pipe thread fittings onthere
[19:50:35] <zeeshan> absolutely retarded
[19:50:38] <andypugh> I would price them up before deciding to replace them all....
[19:50:40] <zeeshan> and 3 of the hoses look crushed
[19:50:48] <zeeshan> prolly 500-600 bux
[19:50:54] <zeeshan> same shit as cars
[19:50:56] <zeeshan> ss teflon
[19:51:03] <zeeshan> its only 500psi
[19:51:40] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: if i have it about 10" away from the wall
[19:51:45] <zeeshan> i can still access all the wires back there
[19:51:48] <zeeshan> and hydraulics
[19:52:06] <andypugh> What do you mean by “non swivel” ? Surely they must be rotatable or assembly would be impossible?
[19:52:06] <zeeshan> the thing is i can't keep any of the original cabinets back there
[19:52:19] <zeeshan> andypugh: dude these guys twisted the hose
[19:52:25] <zeeshan> prior to assembling..
[19:52:45] <zeeshan> its non swivel on both ends
[19:52:46] <Wolf_> I happen to have a parker crimper zeeshan
[19:52:57] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: no need for crimp
[19:53:06] <zeeshan> reusable -8 ss ptfe fittings:
[19:53:11] <andypugh> The rest of the machine is excellent. Consider the possibility they knew wht they were doing..,,
[19:53:15] <Wolf_> ahh :)
[19:53:31] <zeeshan> http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/aer-fbm1103/overview/
[19:53:31] <Wolf_> not use to that low pressure stuff
[19:53:42] <Wolf_> everything I have is 3000psi or more
[19:53:44] <zeeshan> these can handle 1500psi last time i checkedtheir catalog
[19:53:48] <zeeshan> for -8
[19:54:04] <zeeshan> andypugh: two things i found weird
[19:54:11] <zeeshan> the extra waste of space byu making an over sized cover
[19:54:13] <zeeshan> and these hoses
[19:54:17] <andypugh> The last hoses I bought were 2000 bar.
[19:54:40] <zeeshan> im gonna give it a nice cleaning
[19:54:44] <zeeshan> it needs one
[19:54:58] <andypugh> Looking to upgrade to 3000 bar now, for the rig.
[19:55:10] <zeeshan> what rig
[19:55:17] <andypugh> Fule injection
[19:55:21] <andypugh> (Fuel)
[19:56:04] <andypugh> But the highest I have seen was a machine they had in a lab I worked in that went to (I thing) 27 kbar
[19:56:31] <andypugh> It was meant to be able to crush steel samples in compression with hydraulic pressure.
[19:56:53] <andypugh> (Full triaxial rig)
[19:57:00] <fenn> woah
[19:57:21] <fenn> what was it made out of?
[19:58:12] <andypugh> zeeshan: Ah, I forgot, you will get this, it could do any arbitrary stress state with a combination of tension/compression torsion and differential internal/external pressure on a tubular specimen.
[19:58:38] <Sync> oh
[19:58:40] <Sync> that's neat
[19:58:57] <andypugh> fenn: There were not any flexible pipes, just steel pipes about 1” diameter with tiny holes in the middle.
[20:00:46] <zeeshan> andypugh: sounds like lode's experiment :P
[20:00:53] <zeeshan> bet souped up
[20:01:05] <zeeshan> *but
[20:02:02] <andypugh> Yes, but with extra torsion and external mressure.
[20:02:08] <andypugh> (pressure)
[20:02:28] <zeeshan> i remember someone did extra torsion too
[20:02:30] <zeeshan> but not external pressure
[20:02:35] <zeeshan> were you trying to achieve all strain paths?
[20:03:27] <zeeshan> (those pressures are impressive)
[20:03:52] <andypugh> It wasn’t my rig. It looked to have been collossaly expensive, but only one wierd Iranian knoew how to work it and it was all controlled by a BBC Micro. This was back in the late 90s, but that was still a bit antiquated then.
[20:04:23] <zeeshan> damn i just converted 27kbar
[20:04:26] <zeeshan> 391601 psi
[20:04:27] <zeeshan> haha
[20:04:28] <zeeshan> haha!
[20:04:53] <zeeshan> those 1" round bar
[20:04:59] <zeeshan> musta been expanding like crazy :P
[20:05:03] <andypugh> I really wanted to get my hands on it, but didn’t get the grant for the lab controller job.
[20:05:05] <zeeshan> thats a crap load of hoop
[20:05:19] <andypugh> They were about 1mm bore
[20:05:33] <zeeshan> damn it
[20:05:41] <zeeshan> radial stress component is significant in that case :P
[20:05:50] <zeeshan> more work to calculate :P
[20:06:14] <andypugh> Strangest looking pipes I have ever seen :-)
[20:06:49] <zeeshan> poor specimen does not have a chance vs those pressures
[20:06:58] <andypugh> That was the plan
[20:07:08] <zeeshan> i think its kind of cool
[20:07:14] <zeeshan> how a material actually takes longer to yield
[20:07:18] <zeeshan> with hydrostatic stress state only
[20:07:19] <andypugh> I might have the numbers wrong, of course.
[20:07:31] <zeeshan> they say only the deviatoric stress matters
[20:07:44] <zeeshan> but under severe hydrostatic stress, it actually yields different
[20:07:46] <zeeshan> :D
[20:07:55] <zeeshan> but i guess its safer to neglect that
[20:08:08] <andypugh> But the sample external vessel was about 500mm diameter and the central cavity for the specimen was no more than 80mm diameter.
[20:08:31] <zeeshan> wait so that vessel is also seeing 27kbar?
[20:08:56] <zeeshan> (cause you said the rig was capable of extenrally pressuizing the sample)
[20:09:03] * zeeshan cant type
[20:09:05] <andypugh> I think that a sample change was a couple of days of changing seals and tightening bolts.
[20:09:15] <zeeshan> lol
[20:09:27] <zeeshan> i dunno if a single seal would suffice
[20:09:32] <zeeshan> you prolly would need cavities
[20:09:36] <zeeshan> and multiple seals!
[20:10:18] <fenn> looking at the nekkid lathe pics, i'm surprised that a japanese manufacturer is so messy inside
[20:10:19] <andypugh> It was all a bit crazy, and I have a feeling that they were never 100% sure about the tension and torsion loads because of seal friction etc.
[20:10:29] <fenn> wires and cables everywhere in that nakamura tome
[20:10:40] <zeeshan> fenn
[20:10:43] <zeeshan> thats my doing
[20:10:44] <zeeshan> not theirs
[20:10:44] <zeeshan> haha
[20:10:57] <andypugh> Anyway, time to snooze.
[20:11:01] <zeeshan> nite
[20:13:02] <PetefromTn_> Oh hell sounds like zeeshan got his lathe ;)
[20:13:09] <zeeshan> not yet pete
[20:13:13] <zeeshan> only some components :P
[20:15:09] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: its like me, I dont have a cnc router yet, just plotter lol
[20:15:40] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: its so beeeeeeeefy!
[20:15:40] <zeeshan> :D
[20:16:28] <PetefromTn_> It should be whats it weigh 12k LOL
[20:16:32] <furrywolf> didn't get much at yard sales today... picked up a pair of car head units, an equalizer, and an amp, and a caulk gun.
[20:16:40] <zeeshan> i think 10800
[20:16:45] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[20:16:46] <XXCoder> hey furrywolf
[20:16:51] <zeeshan> its hard to tell what it is actually
[20:16:55] <zeeshan> its just very heavy!!
[20:16:58] <zeeshan> did you see the pic of the casting
[20:17:02] <zeeshan> its beefy
[20:17:02] <malcom2073> furrywolf: I got a tapamatic at a yard sale today :-D
[20:17:03] <PetefromTn_> been cleaning and organizing my shop here lately
[20:17:07] <PetefromTn_> no
[20:17:11] <zeeshan> any more welding pics?
[20:17:18] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/lJiIs
[20:17:24] <PetefromTn_> got a few wanna see em?
[20:17:34] <zeeshan> yes
[20:17:46] <zeeshan> its nice to know someone
[20:17:48] <furrywolf> got your lathe inside?
[20:17:48] <zeeshan> who can actually weld!
[20:17:49] <zeeshan> :D
[20:18:14] <zeeshan> furrywolf: no, i disassmbled it mostly today
[20:18:17] <zeeshan> and moved some components to my place
[20:18:31] <PetefromTn_> I dunno if I can ACTUALLY weld but I am getting there hehe
[20:18:38] <PetefromTn_> BRB
[20:18:38] <zeeshan> fun fact, the spindle motor has a 2" shaft
[20:18:39] <zeeshan> :D
[20:19:23] <furrywolf> big VFD. :)
[20:19:38] <zeeshan> andypugh helped me determine
[20:19:42] <zeeshan> thats it not an induction motor
[20:19:49] <zeeshan> its a burhsless servo motor!
[20:20:09] <furrywolf> shiny
[20:20:16] <furrywolf> what's the difference? :)
[20:20:27] <zeeshan> ones a pmac
[20:20:30] <zeeshan> the other is induction? :P
[20:20:39] <furrywolf> ah
[20:20:41] <zeeshan> one is syncronous the other isnt
[20:21:03] <Sync> zeeshan: you can get induction servos
[20:21:11] <Sync> not as common, but they do exist
[20:21:16] <zeeshan> too much hassle :P
[20:21:32] <furrywolf> yeah, I think the only one I've seen was induction, why I wasn't sure what the difference was...
[20:21:35] <zeeshan> predicting slip
[20:21:44] <zeeshan> is prolly not the best way to have reliable position control
[20:21:44] <furrywolf> so you have a 20ish-hp permanent magnet motor?
[20:21:54] <zeeshan> furrywolf: apparently
[20:22:08] <zeeshan> a06b-1012-b200
[20:22:10] <furrywolf> there's no problem with slip... it's just like a dc servo.
[20:22:11] <zeeshan> thats the model number
[20:22:13] <zeeshan> find some pic? :P
[20:22:30] <furrywolf> you tell it to move, and have no idea what it actually does other than what the encoders tell you.
[20:22:52] <MacGalempsy> good evening
[20:24:00] <furrywolf> that's a pretty impressive looking motor.
[20:24:34] <furrywolf> how much did you spend on this lathe again?
[20:24:43] <zeeshan> 4k
[20:24:58] <zeeshan> the spindle motor and drive according to ebay are worth more
[20:25:00] <zeeshan> so im happy :D
[20:25:05] <zeeshan> good deal
[20:25:29] <furrywolf> why wouldn't you want to use them?
[20:25:36] <zeeshan> i will try
[20:25:47] <zeeshan> im hoping the spindle drive can be used w/ singl;e phase
[20:25:49] <zeeshan> if i can find a dc bus
[20:25:58] <zeeshan> cause it should only need 200V dc
[20:26:06] <furrywolf> some will run off single phase applied to the 3-phase inputs
[20:26:19] <zeeshan> yes but youll have to derate the motor
[20:26:20] <furrywolf> some have a 2/3 derating you have to do, but that's probably fine for your application.
[20:26:36] <furrywolf> only some... others the input diodes aren't the weakest link.
[20:28:40] <furrywolf> I was planning on going back to the yard sale with the car audio stuff... when I got there he was still setting up and said he'd have more out later... then it started raining. I might try tomorrow.
[20:28:43] <furrywolf> he had a LOT of stuff.
[20:28:59] <zeeshan> car audio
[20:29:00] <furrywolf> maybe 50-75 head units, 25 amps, 40 speaker boxes, other misc stuff.
[20:29:02] * zeeshan shakes head
[20:29:32] <furrywolf> neither of my subarus has a working stereo right now. I would like to fix this. I'd prefer to fix it with entirely cheap parts. :P
[20:30:23] <furrywolf> I don't plan on any subs, if that's what you're head-shaking about.
[20:31:06] <furrywolf> he owned a tow company... it's all crap he pulled out of crashed cars before sending them off to be crushed.
[20:32:11] <Wolf_> oo, usually get good stuff from them guys
[20:32:23] <Wolf_> cause kids with $$$$ systems can’t drive
[20:32:32] <zeeshan> tow truck drivers
[20:32:35] <Jymmm> likee used needles under the front seat
[20:32:37] <zeeshan> the ones that sit on the highway are the scum
[20:32:48] <zeeshan> scavenging bastards :P
[20:32:50] <Jymmm> or body parts rotting in the vent holes
[20:33:06] <XXCoder> ah the smell of rotting bodies
[20:33:12] <furrywolf> Wolf_: there was a lot of loud bass stuff there, but I don't care about that. heh.
[20:33:17] * Wolf_ use to drive a tow truck...
[20:33:26] <Sync> zeeshan: audio comes from the front and the back in a car
[20:33:34] <zeeshan> Sync: EXACTLY
[20:33:35] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Still do (ducks)
[20:33:39] <zeeshan> one other person in here who has some SENSE
[20:33:40] <zeeshan> good man.
[20:33:44] <XXCoder> lol
[20:33:57] <Sync> man, I wish I still had my e30
[20:34:06] <Sync> with the DTM airbox
[20:34:11] <PetefromTn_> Okay back again :D
[20:34:14] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: were you a scavenger?
[20:34:24] <Sync> that poor s14 cranking at 9500rpm
[20:34:28] <Sync> but the sound was so nice
[20:34:39] <Wolf_> no, if you didn’t call me on the phone to get a tow I’m not stopping lol
[20:34:46] <zeeshan> good
[20:34:53] <zeeshan> i has you problem with your kind!
[20:34:54] <zeeshan> :-)
[20:34:56] <furrywolf> I have a magical thing called a full exhaust and an air filter. very little noise comes from either the front or the rear on my car.
[20:35:08] <zeeshan> furrywolf: weak engine
[20:35:12] <zeeshan> replace w/ something real
[20:35:13] <Sync> ^
[20:35:16] <zeeshan> vs spending money on a tape recorder
[20:35:20] * zeeshan hides
[20:35:34] <Jymmm> furrywolf: So the noise all comes from the driver's seat huh?
[20:35:35] <Sync> I also had a full exhaust and an airfilter
[20:35:35] <furrywolf> getting it quiet took two new cats, a big stainless muffler, and replacing every gasket.
[20:35:46] <zeeshan> lol Jymmm
[20:35:47] <furrywolf> (new... to the car)
[20:35:56] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/a/ViQAI Okay here ya go zeeshan. a custom downpipe for an RX7 turbo 4" diameter and a shot of my Cinci ;)
[20:35:59] <zeeshan> rip those cats out
[20:36:03] <zeeshan> if vw can screw the environment
[20:36:04] <zeeshan> so can you!
[20:36:11] <furrywolf> they also make it quieter. :P
[20:36:36] <zeeshan> colorful welds
[20:36:40] <zeeshan> and boy thats a huge exhaust
[20:36:41] <zeeshan> 5"?
[20:36:45] <furrywolf> I ran it without the catback for a while... it actually was almost silent at idle... then got really loud at WOT. muffler fixed that nicely!
[20:36:49] <PetefromTn_> no it's 4 I think
[20:36:54] <furrywolf> nice big stainless one off a new impreza.
[20:37:15] <zeeshan> i like that very last pic pete
[20:37:15] <zeeshan> :d
[20:37:16] <Sync> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KShkJvj2JCQ
[20:37:21] <PetefromTn_> heh
[20:37:22] <zeeshan> very clean
[20:37:29] <Sync> although he is not running it to 9.5 like I was
[20:37:32] <furrywolf> normally the loudest noise from the front is the accessories... power steering and alternator mostly, with a touch of fuel pump.
[20:37:39] <zeeshan> you must not be doing much work :)
[20:37:40] <zeeshan> jk
[20:37:41] <PetefromTn_> not where I want to be yet but getting better I think
[20:37:55] <zeeshan> i want to copy yuour setup
[20:37:58] <zeeshan> when iget more space
[20:38:03] <furrywolf> I have a new fuel pump, and the PS got quieter when I added some Lucas to it.
[20:38:03] <PetefromTn_> actually I have more work now than I have ever had LOL
[20:38:21] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: seems cnc stuff demend is rising
[20:38:27] <XXCoder> jobs at work is flying
[20:38:35] <PetefromTn_> I guess so
[20:38:38] <XXCoder> been having overtime each friday for 4th time
[20:38:39] <furrywolf> at high-rpm WOT I get some air intake noise. I'll try damping it when I work on the low-end resonance issue.
[20:39:04] * furrywolf likes quiet cars. :P
[20:39:11] <zeeshan> yes, you like ricer audio
[20:39:13] <PetefromTn_> I have to make these damn flanges here but I received the wrong arbor and I don't want to try cutting steel with my DIY washered up arbor. waiting to get a different one from the supplier
[20:39:15] <zeeshan> we know: P
[20:39:21] <XXCoder> nonfunctional cars is very quiet furrywolf
[20:39:25] <furrywolf> it's actually impressively quiet at idle... like people who aren't me might forget it's running.
[20:39:29] <zeeshan> sorry im relieving some body soreness by trollin
[20:39:31] <zeeshan> :;p
[20:39:43] <zeeshan> lol my wrx is so quiet
[20:39:49] <zeeshan> ive made the silly mistake of cranking it twice.
[20:39:52] <zeeshan> while it's running
[20:40:02] <furrywolf> that's not good for your flywheel. :)
[20:40:05] <Sync> what will be awesome is that one of my bikes will be an oldtimer stoon
[20:40:06] <PetefromTn_> whats your honest rating of those welds on a scale of 1-10?
[20:40:07] <zeeshan> yes :[
[20:40:08] <Sync> ~soon
[20:40:08] <XXCoder> my van is amazely silent to me. I cant hear anything from it.
[20:40:13] <zeeshan> 7
[20:40:15] <zeeshan> flange 10
[20:40:21] * furrywolf throws something at XXCoder
[20:40:24] <XXCoder> lol
[20:40:31] <PetefromTn_> ok
[20:40:33] <Sync> so I can actually run my flap exhaust
[20:40:42] <PetefromTn_> I am really trying to improve
[20:40:55] <PetefromTn_> that tube is pretty thin walled
[20:41:04] <zeeshan> better than my welds :P
[20:41:05] <Sync> PetefromTn_: if you want to improve, weld cupons and etch
[20:41:17] <PetefromTn_> naah
[20:41:18] <zeeshan> no
[20:41:21] <zeeshan> if he wants to improve
[20:41:23] <PetefromTn_> I saw your welds LOL
[20:41:25] <zeeshan> weld thin wall tubing
[20:41:28] <zeeshan> just like he is
[20:41:33] <zeeshan> its the most challenging weld.
[20:41:40] <zeeshan> the only thing thats more challenging is doing it under a car
[20:41:42] <furrywolf> thinnest I've welded is #22 steel with MIG.
[20:41:42] <zeeshan> =D
[20:41:52] <Sync> I tried that, but then had penetration problems on thicker material
[20:41:54] <PetefromTn_> funny you mention that
[20:41:55] <zeeshan> furrywolf: spraying and praying is easy peezee
[20:41:56] <zeeshan> :P
[20:42:02] <Sync> so I started welding cupons
[20:42:05] <PetefromTn_> I have to build a midpipe for the same car on monday
[20:42:07] <Sync> and it really helped
[20:42:10] <PetefromTn_> gonna be under the car
[20:42:11] <furrywolf> I still haven't found a TIG setup I can afford.
[20:42:23] <Wolf_> make one
[20:42:41] <zeeshan> F mig
[20:42:44] <zeeshan> f splatter
[20:42:50] <zeeshan> its my spot welder
[20:42:51] <zeeshan> !
[20:43:08] <zeeshan> tig 4 life
[20:43:31] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: did you see the math on fluorescent vs led lamps vs led strips earlier?
[20:43:31] <Wolf_> tig is great, but not for everything
[20:43:43] <zeeshan> tell me one thing its not great for?
[20:43:46] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf I could not care less about it
[20:43:49] <Wolf_> sec
[20:43:51] <zeeshan> not great for noob welders!!!
[20:43:52] <zeeshan> :P
[20:43:53] * zeeshan hides
[20:44:08] <Sync> oh I find tig welding easier than stick
[20:44:12] <PetefromTn_> I have a little mig here....it just collects dust
[20:44:35] <zeeshan> maybe its cause i dont use mig as much
[20:44:38] <zeeshan> i find mig more fun to do
[20:44:45] <zeeshan> cause its completely stress free
[20:44:52] <zeeshan> theres no worrying involved
[20:44:56] <zeeshan> know what i mean?
[20:44:59] <Wolf_> metal glue gun imo
[20:45:08] <zeeshan> with tig youre like
[20:45:19] <PetefromTn_> I find Tig welding stress free honestly but only when my shit is working right LOL
[20:45:32] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/GNuEc1o.jpg that got a full floor and 4’ tall sides
[20:45:37] <Wolf_> all welded
[20:45:54] <zeeshan> "FAK my angle of torch is not right -- human pid control to control arm motor to correct angle" ........ "Fak i got too much current, human pid control to pulse the pedal" ............. - "fak im blowing a hole randomly thru this thin wall material -- human pid control!!!!!!!!!"
[20:45:58] <Contract_Pilot> Still not tracking on the 20 wonder if they will ship.
[20:45:59] <furrywolf> I've never done TIG, so I have no idea what it's like.
[20:46:15] <zeeshan> "damn it not enough filler -- need more Proportional gain of other arm!"
[20:46:17] <Contract_Pilot> Most other's i had tracking in a day.
[20:46:21] <Contract_Pilot> 2 at most.
[20:46:31] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: tig weld that easy peezee
[20:46:37] <zeeshan> but youre right
[20:46:40] <Wolf_> furrywolf: done oxy welding?
[20:46:40] <zeeshan> its much easier to mig that
[20:46:41] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan yeah but you forgot to add that with TIG is the only one where you actually have control over all that stuff LOL
[20:46:45] <furrywolf> Wolf_: no
[20:46:48] <furrywolf> only brazing
[20:46:50] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: haha
[20:46:51] <zeeshan> thats true
[20:46:59] <Contract_Pilot> Need to order wire and i am set for making the sherline run. may just single strand it for now.
[20:47:09] <zeeshan> tig is stressful imo
[20:47:23] <PetefromTn_> ya know what sucks tho
[20:47:32] <PetefromTn_> when I am working over there in thier shop
[20:47:32] <Wolf_> I love tig, kinda relaxing imo
[20:47:41] <PetefromTn_> their
[20:47:42] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: your opinion doesnt count
[20:47:44] <Wolf_> nice and quiet
[20:47:44] <zeeshan> mr mig lover.
[20:47:46] <zeeshan> :-)
[20:47:47] <zeeshan> jk
[20:47:52] <PetefromTn_> they are constantly moving cars in and out of the shop
[20:48:00] <Wolf_> my weld qual is in tig :P
[20:48:01] <zeeshan> it is clean and quiet, unless youre doing ac
[20:48:03] <PetefromTn_> and they open all the doors to the building which are HUGe doors
[20:48:03] <zeeshan> bzzzzzzz
[20:48:16] <PetefromTn_> and the wind rips thru the building
[20:48:26] <PetefromTn_> and blows my shield away
[20:48:32] <PetefromTn_> really sucks
[20:48:39] <XXCoder> zeeshan: im sure can setup it so ac is outside and pump cold air inside using insulated pipes
[20:48:41] <zeeshan> call whoever does that over
[20:48:47] <XXCoder> may be worth it if you need quiet
[20:48:48] <PetefromTn_> I try to shut them when they don't need them open
[20:48:50] <zeeshan> and put the torch on their hand
[20:48:53] <zeeshan> and press the trigger
[20:48:58] <zeeshan> give me a little love shock.
[20:49:01] <PetefromTn_> but it is near impossible
[20:49:08] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[20:49:19] <furrywolf> I'm amazed how quiet dc stick is on my dialarc 250... it just makes rod vanish. lol
[20:49:36] <PetefromTn_> DC is the ONLY way to stick weld IMHO
[20:49:52] <zeeshan> XXCoder: whatcha talking about
[20:50:00] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: please repost link to your new lathe
[20:50:05] <zeeshan> im talking about ac welding
[20:50:08] <zeeshan> not air conditioning :P
[20:50:12] <XXCoder> zeeshan: ah other kind of AC, electricity lol
[20:50:15] <zeeshan> hehe
[20:50:29] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: no!
[20:50:38] <zeeshan> third time post counts as showing off
[20:50:40] <zeeshan> i aint showing off
[20:50:50] <MacGalempsy> then msg it to me
[20:51:08] <XXCoder> theres deaf saying - literal transalation means "train zoom"
[20:51:19] <XXCoder> meaning you missed it lol
[20:51:20] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/WFAo5Ye.jpg zeeshan’s new lathe :P
[20:51:38] <zeeshan> wolf
[20:51:40] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[20:51:40] <zeeshan> are you using the same comp
[20:51:42] <MacGalempsy> hahaha
[20:51:45] <zeeshan> to control lathe and mill?
[20:51:54] <MacGalempsy> I like the wiring job!
[20:52:02] <Wolf_> no, only the mill is cnc
[20:52:05] <zeeshan> o
[20:52:10] <malcom2073> Lol
[20:52:12] <Wolf_> so far
[20:52:41] <zeeshan> i think im gonna wear a full body suit
[20:52:45] <zeeshan> and zep cleaner the shit out of the lathe
[20:52:54] <zeeshan> its white, so it really looks ugly w/ stains on it
[20:53:00] <zeeshan> thank god its not green
[20:53:28] <PetefromTn_> I bought like ten spray bottles of mean green degreaser for my Cinci
[20:53:31] <PetefromTn_> and the new lathe
[20:53:38] <Sync> paint it in that nice blue/green the russians paint their helis insides
[20:53:40] <Sync> in
[20:53:41] <PetefromTn_> really cuts thru the bullshit down to the surfaces
[20:53:47] <zeeshan> nice
[20:53:57] <zeeshan> i used zep in the past for cleaning stuff
[20:53:59] <zeeshan> it really works well
[20:54:10] <furrywolf> I need to fix my chinese lathe... it has a stupid flip-down shield that kills the spindle motor when it's lifted. but to reset it, you have to turn the speed down to zero and back up, losing your speed setting. wtf? probably just jumper the wires to the switch.
[20:54:15] <PetefromTn_> also used some of that greased lightning stuff too
[20:54:33] <Sync> I got some orange oil cleaner
[20:54:38] <Sync> that stuff is the shit
[20:54:56] <PetefromTn_> no its not...mean green is the shit :D
[20:55:06] <zeeshan> opinion
[20:55:17] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/7FTPMhJ.jpg
[20:55:27] <Wolf_> yep 50 or purple, love it, get it in 5gal jugs
[20:55:29] <XXCoder> clastic acid
[20:55:32] <zeeshan> where to place electrical cabinets?
[20:55:36] <zeeshan> (not in the back)
[20:55:45] <MacGalempsy> oh so now you can show off?
[20:55:45] <Sync> on the diagonal surface
[20:55:48] <zeeshan> does that motor and shit slide
[20:55:49] <zeeshan> to the right ?
[20:55:55] <zeeshan> it looks like they do, there is a rail on the top there
[20:56:27] <PetefromTn_> is that for the door?
[20:56:29] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: it was a genuine question
[20:56:34] <zeeshan> no the door is on the other side
[20:56:43] <zeeshan> i was thinking when you move the Z axis
[20:56:45] <XXCoder> anyone experenced with freecad?
[20:56:49] <zeeshan> that cover you see moves on that rail
[20:56:51] <Wolf_> that the turrent axis isn’t it?
[20:56:58] <PetefromTn_> that's a huge bitch!
[20:57:59] <PetefromTn_> man you got some work ahead of you zeeshan LOL
[20:58:04] <zeeshan> a lot
[20:58:06] <zeeshan> a lot man
[20:58:09] <zeeshan> i pulled so many bundles of wires
[20:58:14] <zeeshan> im so glad each one is marked
[20:58:26] <zeeshan> i think the most time consuming part will be
[20:58:34] <zeeshan> trying make the machine more compact
[20:58:35] <PetefromTn_> honestly when I redid the cinci I kinda enjoyed ripping out the old wires ;)
[20:58:38] <zeeshan> and sacrafice covers
[20:58:46] <zeeshan> im leaving the rear covers off
[20:58:51] <zeeshan> cause they add 12" in height
[20:58:54] <zeeshan> or 10"
[20:58:55] <zeeshan> i forget
[20:58:56] <PetefromTn_> I have a huge box of wires sitting in the corner still
[20:58:59] <zeeshan> haha
[20:59:11] <zeeshan> dude this thing annoyed the shit out of me
[20:59:11] <PetefromTn_> gonna use it to build the CNC lathe
[20:59:15] <zeeshan> i want you to see this.
[20:59:29] <zeeshan> im suprised to see this from japanese..
[20:59:32] <zeeshan> this is something germans would do
[20:59:41] <PetefromTn_> what kinda lathe is it again?
[20:59:43] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/6flBTOv.jpg
[20:59:47] <zeeshan> look closely at the overarm
[20:59:49] <zeeshan> and the left control
[20:59:57] <zeeshan> theres 2 estops right next to eeach other
[20:59:57] <zeeshan> lol
[21:00:03] <zeeshan> theres 2 spindle motor speed overrrides
[21:00:05] <zeeshan> feed overrides
[21:00:15] <zeeshan> that control on the left also swings over..
[21:00:23] <zeeshan> i have no idea why they repeated the same shit over like that?
[21:00:37] <PetefromTn_> convenience?
[21:00:40] <zeeshan> nakamura tome tmc3
[21:00:43] <zeeshan> dude its right there!!1
[21:00:44] <MacGalempsy> good lord, are you going to use that interface panel?
[21:00:44] <Wolf_> Japan did side w/ germany in ww2 maybe thats why :P
[21:00:45] <zeeshan> lol
[21:00:51] <zeeshan> wolf hahaha
[21:00:59] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: no
[21:01:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah but when you are standing with your head inside the machine setting up stuff its not really
[21:01:10] <zeeshan> im putting all the 7i77 stuff inthere
[21:01:11] <MacGalempsy> whats the biggest touchscreen you can get in there?
[21:01:18] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: but that whole box
[21:01:20] <zeeshan> swings over
[21:01:24] <zeeshan> so when youre inside the machine
[21:01:28] <zeeshan> you can still access it really easily
[21:01:36] <zeeshan> if you look at the bottom of the box
[21:01:39] <zeeshan> youll see its on an arm too
[21:01:40] <PetefromTn_> the little one or the big one
[21:01:41] <zeeshan> and a pivot
[21:01:44] <zeeshan> big one
[21:02:09] <PetefromTn_> well maybe they designed it for little japanese people who can't reach both?
[21:02:15] <zeeshan> hahah
[21:02:44] <PetefromTn_> you could probably put your entire electronics system inside that big pendant box LOL
[21:02:45] <Wolf_> dunno about that, they look too high off the ground for that idea
[21:02:53] <zeeshan> haha PetefromTn_
[21:03:18] <PetefromTn_> Oh wait I forgot I was talking about zeeshan :D
[21:03:31] <zeeshan> cant fit a 2000amp breaker inthere
[21:03:33] <zeeshan> :)
[21:03:39] <PetefromTn_> hahahaha
[21:04:21] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: i hate touch screans
[21:04:23] <zeeshan> no touch screens mate
[21:04:28] <zeeshan> im a keyboard guy
[21:05:08] <zeeshan> if it was just a cnc lathe controller, i can see touch screen working
[21:05:17] <zeeshan> but even to this day, i write code for the mikron
[21:05:22] <zeeshan> that would be really annoying w/ a touch screen
[21:05:56] <MacGalempsy> who writes code in MDI mode?
[21:06:04] <zeeshan> i do :D
[21:06:07] <PetefromTn_> I actually like my little commercial waterproof keyboard with touch screen
[21:06:20] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: its apreference
[21:06:22] <zeeshan> i guess
[21:06:22] <PetefromTn_> I edit programs all the time
[21:06:34] <PetefromTn_> at the machine
[21:06:37] <zeeshan> when i say i write code, i didnt mean g-code
[21:06:43] <zeeshan> i meant like program c code
[21:06:46] <zeeshan> or python
[21:06:49] <zeeshan> and try things out w/ it
[21:07:05] <PetefromTn_> been setting things up for that CNC stop pin toolholder like Tom talks about and adding that new facemill to existing programs today
[21:07:15] <zeeshan> hey did you use that face mill yet?
[21:07:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[21:07:24] <zeeshan> howd the finish turn out?
[21:07:26] <PetefromTn_> its not on the proper arbor tho
[21:07:30] <zeeshan> o
[21:07:33] <PetefromTn_> oh it looks really good
[21:07:42] <PetefromTn_> its not seco octomill good
[21:07:54] <zeeshan> can you see your finger reflection on it?
[21:07:55] <PetefromTn_> but its pretty damn good and much better than my flycuttter
[21:08:05] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah
[21:08:09] <zeeshan> youre cutting mild steel?
[21:08:15] <PetefromTn_> no not yet
[21:08:24] <Wolf_> …I need to get my x2 up and running
[21:08:25] <zeeshan> im interesting in the 45 degree
[21:08:29] <PetefromTn_> I don't want to cut steel with it until I get the proper arbor
[21:08:51] <zeeshan> Wolf_: click done
[21:09:01] <Wolf_> lol
[21:09:10] <PetefromTn_> I cut .350 deep in aluminum at 4k RPM 50 IPM yesterday just screwing around...
[21:09:31] <Wolf_> already need to remake the X axis ballscrew bearing bracket thinger
[21:09:34] <zeeshan> hehehe
[21:09:35] <PetefromTn_> er .25
[21:09:43] <zeeshan> hogging some chips
[21:09:51] <PetefromTn_> hell yeah man...
[21:09:53] <PetefromTn_> crazy
[21:09:57] <zeeshan> your mill is really nice
[21:10:03] <zeeshan> this is the first time ive seen a pic of it
[21:10:06] <zeeshan> its really clean
[21:10:10] <PetefromTn_> I had a piece that was screwed up so I figured HOG AWAY
[21:10:20] <PetefromTn_> its pretty decent
[21:10:27] <PetefromTn_> not bad for $1300
[21:10:37] <zeeshan> wtf
[21:10:40] <zeeshan> you paid 1300?
[21:10:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah LOL
[21:10:53] <zeeshan> jeez
[21:11:01] <zeeshan> im sure you made it that clean
[21:11:05] <zeeshan> it didnt come like that for 1300
[21:11:07] <zeeshan> right??????
[21:11:09] <PetefromTn_> then I sold off all the old control parts and paid for the retro
[21:11:34] <PetefromTn_> well yeah it was not clean but most of the nasty stuff was inside and on the top areas
[21:11:46] <PetefromTn_> I still have not put the head sheetmetal back on there
[21:12:51] <PetefromTn_> Oooh forgot I got a new toy!
[21:12:58] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/ETCIL2g.jpg
[21:13:25] <PetefromTn_> you can see it on the edge of the granite surface plate ;D
[21:13:28] <MacGalempsy> is that one yours or the new shop you are at?
[21:13:39] <PetefromTn_> no that is mine
[21:13:43] <MacGalempsy> sweet
[21:13:46] <PetefromTn_> thanks man
[21:13:49] <zeeshan> how dare you use your granite surface plate
[21:13:53] <zeeshan> as a keyboard table
[21:14:02] <zeeshan> are you talking about the micrometer holder?
[21:14:05] <PetefromTn_> I know man I know what a jackhole right
[21:14:10] <PetefromTn_> YEAH
[21:14:12] <PetefromTn_> I just got that
[21:14:21] <zeeshan> that is a sweet thing to have
[21:14:27] <PetefromTn_> from that facebook machiniist tool
[21:14:36] <PetefromTn_> paid $24 shipped!
[21:14:44] <PetefromTn_> its a heavy little sucker
[21:15:14] * zeeshan is distracted
[21:15:19] <zeeshan> where did you buy that hammer w/ the removable faces
[21:15:28] <zeeshan> i need something like that
[21:15:34] <PetefromTn_> I think it was home depot
[21:15:38] <zeeshan> hmm
[21:15:41] <Tom_itx> several tool dist sell those
[21:15:42] <zeeshan> ive never seen thatr had a hardware store
[21:15:49] <PetefromTn_> I use it to smash down parts on top of parallels LOL
[21:16:00] <PetefromTn_> OH SHIT speaking of tools
[21:16:16] <PetefromTn_> the tool truck comes to the shop over there once a week
[21:16:19] <PetefromTn_> SNAP ON
[21:16:30] <PetefromTn_> never been inside one of those trucks before
[21:16:33] <PetefromTn_> REALLY COOL
[21:16:35] <Tom_itx> they're crazy expensive though
[21:16:38] <PetefromTn_> air conditioned
[21:16:48] <PetefromTn_> lots of sweet tools all around you
[21:16:54] <Tom_itx> i spent the first half of my life owing the snapon dealer
[21:16:55] <MacGalempsy> yeah, they are crazy on the inside
[21:16:57] <PetefromTn_> then I was looking around inside
[21:17:13] <PetefromTn_> found a wall full of cool hammers and dead blows
[21:17:28] <PetefromTn_> found a REALLY nice orange looking one with removable faces like this one
[21:17:34] <PetefromTn_> I asked the guy how much
[21:17:39] <PetefromTn_> he says let me see it
[21:17:46] <zeeshan> 250$
[21:17:47] <PetefromTn_> looks up the number...
[21:17:48] <Tom_itx> better sit down...
[21:17:50] <PetefromTn_> ALMOST!!!!
[21:17:58] <PetefromTn_> I almost fell down
[21:18:01] <zeeshan> the school formula hybrid team
[21:18:03] <zeeshan> has a set of those
[21:18:05] <zeeshan> and more
[21:18:06] <zeeshan> its crazy.
[21:18:12] <zeeshan> dumbass students who dont even know how to use it
[21:18:15] <zeeshan> pisses me off
[21:18:18] <XXCoder> 250 bucks for deadblow!!
[21:18:18] <PetefromTn_> the guys at the shop bought a SWEET floor jack
[21:18:33] <Tom_itx> they're not _that_ good... you're paying for replacement and convenience
[21:18:33] <PetefromTn_> this thing is REALLY heavy duty
[21:18:41] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: their ratchets are
[21:18:46] <zeeshan> way better than the cheap shit
[21:18:47] <zeeshan> way more teeth
[21:18:49] <zeeshan> way stronger
[21:18:54] <PetefromTn_> it has a low profile for getting under low cars
[21:18:55] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: was deadblow hammer really $250 or was zee's commet unrelated?
[21:18:55] <Tom_itx> i've broken several of their wratchets
[21:18:59] <zeeshan> one thing i highly recommend to everyone by them is their ratchets
[21:19:02] <Tom_itx> ratchets*
[21:19:04] <zeeshan> and techangle torque wrench
[21:19:06] <PetefromTn_> that damn floor jack was over $500
[21:19:06] <XXCoder> because I got cheap chinese special for $5 lol
[21:19:07] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: don't abuse tools
[21:19:10] <zeeshan> :P
[21:19:16] <furrywolf> my snapon floor jack was $650...
[21:19:17] <Tom_itx> i don't
[21:19:25] <Tom_itx> i use them though
[21:19:33] <zeeshan> i believe regular ratchers are like 35 teeth?
[21:19:36] <zeeshan> snapon are 60?
[21:19:38] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf I thought you were starving and shit?
[21:19:39] <Tom_itx> some are
[21:19:40] <zeeshan> i dont remember the exact numbers
[21:19:44] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: lol
[21:19:45] <Tom_itx> depends on the innards
[21:19:45] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: I didn't pay that. :P
[21:19:50] <Tom_itx> i've got some of both
[21:20:05] * furrywolf buys almost all tools from yard sales and craigslist
[21:20:06] <Tom_itx> i've broken the fine tooth ones several times
[21:20:07] <zeeshan> i own a snapon hat..
[21:20:11] * zeeshan goes sits in a corner
[21:20:22] <zeeshan> (i actually dont own snapon anything)
[21:20:26] <Tom_itx> i do
[21:20:26] <PetefromTn_> I now own a Snap on high definition Welding hemmet
[21:20:30] <furrywolf> I have not been impressed with snapon ratchets. I much prefer Proto, S-K, and Easco.
[21:20:31] <zeeshan> im a proto / matco guy
[21:20:33] <Tom_itx> i've got a top and bottom box of em
[21:20:54] <PetefromTn_> I was talking to the guy at the shop about snap on
[21:20:55] <zeeshan> nice pete
[21:21:00] <Wolf_> I have some snapon ratcheting screwdriver set and a ratchet...
[21:21:04] <PetefromTn_> he was like yeah their shit is stupid expensive
[21:21:17] <Tom_itx> some of it is real nice
[21:21:21] <PetefromTn_> but he told me the only reason he has a big snap on tool box full of tools
[21:21:24] <furrywolf> Snapon you're mostly paying, as far as I can tell, for the truck. the tools aren't any better, and in many cases, especially things with power cords, worse.
[21:21:33] <PetefromTn_> is because when he first met the snap on guy
[21:21:36] <Tom_itx> but for the most part i could get by with any ole tool
[21:21:42] <zeeshan> furrywolf: im sure you havent owned all snapon tools
[21:21:46] <MacGalempsy> im a flea market guy, so as long as its not husky, craftsman, or kobalt, im pretty good with it
[21:21:46] <zeeshan> cause most mechanics would disagree with you
[21:21:53] <PetefromTn_> they told him if he bought this $4k toolbox
[21:21:55] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: old craftsman is good
[21:21:57] <zeeshan> from the 80s
[21:21:58] <zeeshan> and earlier
[21:22:01] <zeeshan> the ones made in usa
[21:22:03] <Tom_itx> yeah
[21:22:08] <PetefromTn_> they will give him $4k worth of tools to put in it!
[21:22:13] <zeeshan> craftman god shit after the 80s
[21:22:14] <MacGalempsy> agreed
[21:22:16] <zeeshan> *got
[21:22:22] <PetefromTn_> so he bought it
[21:22:22] <Tom_itx> they didn't make polished tools back then though
[21:22:23] <zeeshan> i dont even go to sears anymore
[21:22:27] <PetefromTn_> and pays monthly for it
[21:22:31] <zeeshan> garbage .
[21:22:53] <PetefromTn_> so far every tool I have used in their shop that is snap on I was impressed with.
[21:22:58] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, my back then boss bought one that had a hitch on it
[21:23:03] <PetefromTn_> I must agree thier ratchets are VERY NICE
[21:23:10] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: as you can see, most people talkk shit about snapon
[21:23:12] <zeeshan> cause its expensive
[21:23:15] <Tom_itx> i like the swivel wratchets
[21:23:21] <zeeshan> and they dont use it enough to realize their benefit
[21:23:28] <PetefromTn_> neither do I
[21:23:35] <zeeshan> a mechanic who uses that stuff on different cars will appreciate it
[21:23:41] <Tom_itx> i used to but not so much anymore
[21:23:43] <furrywolf> zeeshan: I own snap-on 1/2 drive, shallow and deep, from 3/8" to 1+1/2", snapon metric wrenches, snapon swivel impact sockets, a few ratchets, and a bunch of random pieces I'm not remembering right now. I don't find them any better than the equivalent Proto, Mac, S-K, etc tools.
[21:23:53] <PetefromTn_> I suppose if I was a mechanic and needed some real tools I would get some because of the payment option
[21:23:59] <zeeshan> furrywolf: how about some constructive criticism
[21:24:04] <zeeshan> rather than saying they're bad
[21:24:07] <zeeshan> why are they bad
[21:24:24] <Wolf_> regular sockets and shit, yeah almost the same as everyone else
[21:24:30] <furrywolf> I didn't say those were bad. I said I didn't find them any better. If you want BAD, I'll tell you about my snap-on mig welder. :P
[21:24:35] <Tom_itx> i've popped a few craftsman sockets down the middle but i can't recall ever busting a snapon one
[21:24:39] <Wolf_> some off the odd special tools, are good
[21:24:41] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan Don't you understand Furrywolf is like Mikey....he won't eat it he hates everything!! LOL
[21:24:47] <zeeshan> haha
[21:24:51] <Wolf_> welding gear by snap on… junk
[21:24:58] <PetefromTn_> HEY MAN
[21:25:02] <Wolf_> well the welding machine anyways
[21:25:03] <furrywolf> Wolf_: yep. but don't mention it, or zee and pete will insult you.
[21:25:04] <PetefromTn_> I got welding gear by snap on
[21:25:08] <zeeshan> welding machines yes
[21:25:12] <zeeshan> ppe is good
[21:25:23] <zeeshan> furrywolf: youre a hater
[21:25:27] <zeeshan> im just calling you out on your hating
[21:25:30] <PetefromTn_> honestly after having tried the snap on hemmet
[21:25:30] <zeeshan> :)
[21:25:39] <PetefromTn_> and trying the lincoln ones at the gas supply place
[21:25:45] <PetefromTn_> I think they are pretty close overall
[21:25:48] <zeeshan> like i said, i myself like proto and matco.
[21:25:50] <zeeshan> im not a snapon guy
[21:25:56] <zeeshan> the only thing i want from snapon really badky
[21:25:57] <furrywolf> my snap-on mig welder, rather than using proper diodes, uses those little unheatsunk button diodes that garbage battery chargers use, in sets in parallel, held in by spring clamps. they instantly fail. the wire drive is a windshield wiper motor. the transformer is half the size it should be, with aluminum wire.
[21:26:03] <PetefromTn_> with the nod going to the lincoln ones because of the much better head adjustments
[21:26:05] <zeeshan> is 2 different tech angle digital torque wrenches
[21:26:08] <zeeshan> they are the best thing.
[21:26:42] * zeeshan kijiji checks
[21:26:53] <PetefromTn_> the mechanic mikey who is really cool bought a very nice battery operated 3/8 ratchet wrench yesterday it was like $400
[21:27:06] <furrywolf> it looks like it's made by century. I have a century-branded mig welder, and it's far superior quality. it's like snap-on called up century and asked them to build the absolute cheapest piece of crap that would last long enough to finish the 60 day warranty.
[21:27:16] <PetefromTn_> he already has the battery operated impacts
[21:27:40] <tjtr33> jthornton, most ( maybe all) forum user exchange topics marked "The administrator has disabled public write access"? I'm trying to give away equipment. I cant list anything or comment.
[21:27:42] <furrywolf> (no lifetime warranty on snap-on power tools, or anything close to it)
[21:28:23] <Wolf_> thats cause most of the stuff they sell that plugs in sucks
[21:28:24] <furrywolf> tjtr33: got a photo of that arm you're trying to give away? approximate weight and cost to ship to california? I'm guessing the shipping cost is prohibitive, but I figure I should check.
[21:28:39] <zeeshan> arm?
[21:28:41] <furrywolf> Wolf_: yep. but, again, if you mention anything from snapon sucking, pete and zee attack you.
[21:28:43] <zeeshan> robotic arm?!?!
[21:28:47] <zeeshan> i want it!!!!!!1
[21:28:47] <zeeshan> :P
[21:28:55] <zeeshan> furrywolf: its not about snapon
[21:28:57] <zeeshan> you hate everything
[21:29:02] <zeeshan> and you have really not much valid backing up for it
[21:29:09] <zeeshan> i agree on the welder
[21:29:13] <XXCoder> tjtr33: like what stuff?
[21:29:14] <tjtr33> nitro is asking for it . he's local.
[21:29:15] <zeeshan> but you havent said anything about their tools
[21:29:16] <furrywolf> zeeshan: I already said I like s-k, proto, and easco, in this very conversation. :P
[21:29:26] <zeeshan> yes but why?
[21:29:30] <tjtr33> read forum. IF it gets opened up
[21:29:40] * Wolf_ just hated the guy who ran the snap on truck when I worked in a shop…
[21:29:45] <Tom_itx> heh
[21:29:49] <furrywolf> ok... snapon ratchets have coarse teeth (compared to s-k or easco, but not proto), and break without even needing a piece of pipe.
[21:29:58] <zeeshan> lol
[21:29:59] <zeeshan> lol
[21:30:01] <PetefromTn_> Where did PETE attack anyone?
[21:30:20] <furrywolf> I've yet to break the s-k ratchets I now use as my daily do-everything-with ratchets, even with leverage-enhancers. :)
[21:30:22] <zeeshan> using a piece of pipe on a ratchet is abusing it first of all
[21:30:26] <Wolf_> funny that stuff happened the other way around for me
[21:30:27] <zeeshan> :P
[21:30:30] <XXCoder> tjtr33: did you post link to forum?
[21:30:35] <tjtr33> furrywolf, its OTC Daihen DR 603. you can find pix & manuals
[21:30:37] <Wolf_> my S-K head broke in half
[21:30:44] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, it's just a tool extension
[21:30:51] <zeeshan> :P
[21:30:55] <zeeshan> you use a breaker bar
[21:30:57] <zeeshan> not a damn ratcher
[21:31:01] <furrywolf> zeeshan: I had a 4ft piece of water pipe on a breaker bar the other day. :P
[21:31:02] <PetefromTn_> surely that voids warrantees
[21:31:07] <Tom_itx> i use a pipe dammit!
[21:31:18] <Wolf_> I use a torque wrench :O
[21:31:24] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, not if they can't prove it
[21:31:25] <PetefromTn_> GASP
[21:31:35] <XXCoder> I remember one guy story about trucker using 20 feet breaker bar for unstucking semi wheel bolt
[21:31:40] <XXCoder> it didnt break. it shattered
[21:31:55] <XXCoder> force in newtons was in millions
[21:32:14] <Wolf_> PetefromTn_: mil surplus 500ft-lb torque wrench I think its 3/4” drive, might be 1"
[21:32:42] <furrywolf> I have a big 3/4" snap-on torque wrench...
[21:33:15] <furrywolf> however, my snapon 4:1 1/2 to 3/4 torque multiplier is usually far more convienient, and the torque wrench sits in storage. :)
[21:33:15] <PetefromTn_> NO
[21:33:53] <PetefromTn_> my wife just told me we HAVE to go see Alice in Chains again....better sell some more damn rails!! ;)
[21:34:06] <Wolf_> lol
[21:34:41] <zeeshan> i think i need to invest into real work tools
[21:34:50] <furrywolf> Alice in chains is still around? I thought they re-broke-up after the album they released about six years ago? shows how much attention I pay.
[21:34:54] <zeeshan> i have a lot of hardware store grade shit
[21:34:55] <Tom_itx> zeeshan of what sort?
[21:34:58] <furrywolf> zeeshan: torque multipliers rock. :P
[21:35:03] <furrywolf> so far I have no complaints about my snapon one.
[21:35:06] <zeeshan> i have proto wrenches and stuff
[21:35:11] <zeeshan> and gear wrench gear wrenches
[21:35:20] <zeeshan> but when it comes to sockets , ratchets, breaker bars
[21:35:22] <PetefromTn_> I need me some gear wrenches
[21:35:32] <zeeshan> they're all "mastercraft maxium"
[21:35:38] <Tom_itx> i haven't bought much snapon in the last few years since i don't do that much anymore
[21:35:40] <zeeshan> which is the premium brand canadian tire sells up here
[21:35:55] <furrywolf> heh! I stripped my gearwrench 1/4" drive ratchet last time I was fixing generators... and sears said they don't do the warranty there, I have to send it back to gearwrench. I sent it to the scrap metal pile instead.
[21:35:56] <Tom_itx> if i need something i'll opt for a cheaper more convenient solution
[21:35:59] <zeeshan> all my machinist tools are name brand
[21:36:01] <furrywolf> I have not stripped my s-k one. :)
[21:36:12] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx send me all your old Snap on stuff I will take good care of it for you ;)
[21:36:19] <zeeshan> wtf is this sk brand
[21:36:22] <zeeshan> ive never even heard of it
[21:36:35] <Tom_itx> it's popular at auto stores here
[21:36:38] <Tom_itx> or was at one time
[21:36:40] <Wolf_> furrywolf: for gear wrench just call them to warranty… they just send you new tool
[21:36:58] <PetefromTn_> hehehe
[21:37:01] <furrywolf> http://www.skhandtool.com/
[21:37:06] <zeeshan> im only heard of matco, proto, grays, snapon
[21:37:27] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, i still do my own repair so you can't have it just yet
[21:37:27] <furrywolf> whoa. s-k makes ratchet wrenches now. MADE IN USA too. ME WANT.
[21:37:46] <PetefromTn_> I want one of those damn snapon trucks
[21:37:48] <Wolf_> gear wrench customer support is here in Maryland…
[21:37:56] <XXCoder> whats degree of movement for turning for those furrywolf
[21:37:58] <furrywolf> finally, US-made ratchet wrenches!!! even snapon is tainwan.
[21:38:05] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, go to the pawn shop and get some
[21:38:13] <Tom_itx> i bet you can find em there
[21:38:19] <zeeshan> furrywolf: no they are not
[21:38:21] <zeeshan> wtf are you smoking
[21:38:22] <furrywolf> XXCoder: 1.7 degrees according to their website.
[21:38:25] <PetefromTn_> that would require money
[21:38:27] <zeeshan> why are you so hateful
[21:38:32] <zeeshan> and dont even know what youre talking about
[21:38:40] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, maybe so but at least you can keep your firstborn
[21:39:00] <furrywolf> ... I saw a set of snap-on ratchet wrenches at a yard sale. the guy wanted $150 for them. they said Taiwan. I said hell no.
[21:39:05] <PetefromTn_> my firstborn aint goin nowhere
[21:39:08] <zeeshan> not a good source.
[21:39:40] <zeeshan> how about instead of talking shhit
[21:39:43] <furrywolf> Perhaps not all their ratchet wrenches are taiwan, but this set, I think it was 10mm to 19mm, most definitely was.
[21:39:43] <zeeshan> you just visit their website
[21:39:44] <zeeshan> https://store.snapon.com/Latch-on-174-Head-0-176-Offset-mm-Blue-Point-174--Set-Wrench-Metric-Ratcheting-Box-Latch-On-174-0-176-Offset-7-8mm-to-15-17mm-5-pcs--P640806.aspx
[21:39:53] <zeeshan> its very easy to see on their website
[21:39:56] <zeeshan> what the country of origin is
[21:40:01] <zeeshan> even their bluepoint is made in usa.
[21:40:04] <Tom_itx> their off brand used to be bluepoint
[21:40:12] <Tom_itx> not all of it
[21:40:50] <XXCoder> "Country Of Origin USA"
[21:40:52] <furrywolf> Most of my bluepoint is made in china or japan, but it better-than-average quality for china.
[21:41:01] <zeeshan> and fyi
[21:41:05] <zeeshan> why compare taiwan with china
[21:41:06] <furrywolf> I think my bluepoint air ratchet is japan
[21:41:12] <zeeshan> they're not even in the same level
[21:41:15] <zeeshan> on
[21:43:01] <PetefromTn_> why is it that when I am broke as hell with no hope of buying my dream car project they are all over the damn internet for dirt cheap but when I FINALLY have some spare dinero's they dry up and float away with the wind?
[21:43:16] <XXCoder> because life sucks PetefromTn_
[21:43:45] <furrywolf> zeeshan: those are the ancient ultra-coarse-tooth style. I have those in US-made already, from about 50 years ago.
[21:43:46] <XXCoder> I was working on IT degree, and Dot.Com bubble crashed 6 months before I graduated
[21:43:50] <XXCoder> so couldnt get job
[21:43:58] <zeeshan> furrywolf: yea?
[21:44:00] <zeeshan> show me a pic of em
[21:44:04] <Wolf_> spend that $$ and you will find plenty for sale
[21:44:09] <zeeshan> id love to see all your snapon tools
[21:44:14] <zeeshan> especially the ones you broke :)
[21:44:18] <zeeshan> i'd keep those as trophies
[21:44:40] <Tom_itx> i did spread an open end wrench once
[21:44:47] <Tom_itx> and he replaced it
[21:44:52] <Tom_itx> now my set doesn't match
[21:44:53] <PetefromTn_> probably hehe
[21:45:03] <Tom_itx> since it was so old they style had changed
[21:45:03] <PetefromTn_> feces occurs
[21:45:55] <furrywolf> I don't like that style... the modern open/box combo fine-tooth ratchet wrenches are much easier to use. https://store.snapon.com/Ratcheting-Combination-Standard-Handle-15-176-Offset-inches-Blue-Point-174--Set-Wrench-Ratcheting-Box-Open-End-Standard-15-176-Offset-8-pcs--P641353.aspx that style
[21:46:24] <furrywolf> And what do you know! "Country Of Origin TWN"
[21:46:31] <furrywolf> just like the ones at the yard sale.
[21:46:43] * zeeshan notes the blue point tag
[21:47:25] <zeeshan> http://www.protoindustrial.com/images/880x880/j5249xl.png
[21:47:32] <zeeshan> man that is a nice lookin ratchet
[21:47:34] <zeeshan> too bad only 45 teeth
[21:48:30] <zeeshan> this s-k stuff looks ghetto
[21:48:36] <zeeshan> http://www.mytoolstore.com/sk/45170.jpg
[21:48:37] <furrywolf> if you want fine teeth, try to find some old Easco... they took a standard fine-tooth round-head design, but put in two complete ratchet mechanisms with a 1/2 tooth offset, doubling the number of clicks.
[21:49:14] <furrywolf> I have Easco ratchets with my snap-on sockets. :)
[21:49:20] <PetefromTn_> I can feel it
[21:49:25] <PetefromTn_> somewhere out there
[21:49:37] <PetefromTn_> in some nice air conditioned garage
[21:49:38] <Wolf_> I had one of them S-K ratchets
[21:49:42] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, their ratchets are noisy too
[21:49:45] <PetefromTn_> in some faraway place
[21:49:54] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: im surfing their s-k tools catalog
[21:49:56] <zeeshan> they look terrible
[21:49:57] <PetefromTn_> owned by some jackass
[21:49:58] <Wolf_> thats the one I have that the head broke
[21:50:06] <zeeshan> *the
[21:50:12] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, they're for the weekender
[21:50:12] <PetefromTn_> sits my 86 fiero GT four speed
[21:50:20] <PetefromTn_> and he knows it
[21:50:21] <zeeshan> http://www.matcotools.com/catalog/product/EIGHTY8/3-8-DRIVE-MULTI-COLORED-88-TOOTH-RATCHET/
[21:50:21] <Tom_itx> not the pro
[21:50:24] <zeeshan> this looks pretty damn COOL
[21:50:24] <PetefromTn_> he is just mocking me
[21:50:26] <zeeshan> 88 teeth
[21:50:29] <zeeshan> more teeth than snapon!
[21:50:29] <zeeshan> :D
[21:50:34] <Wolf_> didn’t strip, the fucking ratchet head broke in 2 pieces
[21:50:38] <PetefromTn_> making me yearn for it
[21:50:39] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: rofl
[21:50:46] <zeeshan> lol pete
[21:50:49] <PetefromTn_> but NOOOOO
[21:50:57] <PetefromTn_> he wil just hold onto it until it ROTS
[21:51:00] <furrywolf> the only broken snap-on ratchet I have right now is a 1/2" drive that I broke a tooth off on. I also have a 3/4" drive breaker bar ratchet adapter that I'm not sure whether it actually broke or it just needs cleaning. it needed a special spanner to take apart and I don't have it.
[21:51:05] <PetefromTn_> completely away
[21:51:14] <PetefromTn_> and Is of no use to anyone
[21:51:22] <PetefromTn_> just because he KNOWS I want it....
[21:51:23] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MATCO-TOOLS-BFR88T-3-8-DRIVE-88-TOOTH-8-RATCHET-/161837403529?hash=item25ae42cd89&item=161837403529&vxp=mtr
[21:51:25] <zeeshan> holy shit
[21:51:26] <PetefromTn_> BASTARD!!!!!
[21:51:32] <zeeshan> im buying this matco tool ratchet
[21:51:34] <zeeshan> wow its SEXY
[21:52:12] <furrywolf> matco comes in varying quality... some of it is nice, some of it seems like they stick their name on harbor freight tools.
[21:52:19] <furrywolf> research before buying.
[21:52:24] <Tom_itx> easy there zeeshan... don't blow a gasket
[21:52:46] <furrywolf> make sure it says usa on it. :)
[21:53:13] <Tom_itx> i had a similar shaped old snapon one at one time
[21:53:25] <PetefromTn_> don't they have any quality CANADA made tools ;)
[21:53:40] <zeeshan> they do! :P
[21:53:50] <zeeshan> gray tools
[21:54:06] <zeeshan> theyre way over priced though
[21:54:11] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/S-K-1-2-Drive-Ratchet-Wrench-42470-Made-in-USA-/281800632068 those s-k ratchets are my current go-to tools... I use them for most jobs.
[21:54:21] <zeeshan> those are terrible looking dude
[21:54:21] <Tom_itx> they used to have a flat style ratchet i thought was cool but i haven't seen one in years
[21:54:23] <PetefromTn_> ALL of these are way overpriced
[21:54:26] <zeeshan> look as bad as china ones
[21:54:33] <zeeshan> those are the ones where the head snaps
[21:54:36] <Wolf_> whats odd to me is how much snap-on and gear wrench ratchets look alike http://www.gearwrench.com/ratchets-and-drive-tools/84-tooth-ratchets
[21:54:36] <zeeshan> or the gears break
[21:54:51] <furrywolf> zeeshan: I guess you're the expert on polished turds... me, I prefer my tools to work well, even if they're not as shiny. :P
[21:55:19] <PetefromTn_> you can actually polish a turd....just ask the mythbusters!
[21:55:29] <Tom_itx> http://alloy-artifacts.org/snapon-bluepoint-tools-p2.html
[21:55:31] <furrywolf> Wolf_: a lot of snapons taiwan stuff is, or at least I've heard, re-branded gearwrench.
[21:55:36] <Tom_itx> for some reason i liked it
[21:55:46] <furrywolf> same with matco I think.
[21:55:56] <zeeshan> furrywolf: wrenches is where polishing matters.
[21:56:11] <zeeshan> you want to remove as much surface defects as possible
[21:56:13] <furrywolf> yeah, you can polish it so your hands slip off easier and bust your knuckles. :P
[21:56:17] <zeeshan> but i forgot, you dont have an engineering background
[21:56:25] <zeeshan> so you wouldn't know :)
[21:56:28] * zeeshan mocks back
[21:56:53] <Wolf_> makes it easier to get all teh hydraulic fluid off them also :P
[21:56:56] * PetefromTn_ thinks I need to sheet the shop walls with 7/16 oSB and paint it all nice white or off white so this place looks a bit more PROFESSIONAL!!
[21:57:03] <zeeshan> wolf_ exactly
[21:57:04] <furrywolf> every wrench I've broken, I've either split the box end opposite from the handle, or broke a jaw off the open end.
[21:57:06] <zeeshan> most should be super polished
[21:57:07] <zeeshan> if they can be
[21:57:35] <zeeshan> knurling is the worst thing you can do to a hand tool that sees abuse
[21:57:39] <furrywolf> the best test for wrenches I've found is to knock two of them together and listen. the sound difference between proto, snapon, etc, and craftsman, harbor freight, etc, is quite noticable.
[21:57:43] <XXCoder> I only broke 2 wrenches ever, and both was stripped gears trying to unbolt that damned sparkplug.
[21:57:46] <XXCoder> it finally loosened
[21:57:49] <Wolf_> oddly my fav snap on ratchet has a matt finish on it lol
[21:58:13] <furrywolf> I have some proto wrenches that'll sing for 30 seconds. :)
[21:58:25] <PetefromTn_> I only broke ONE ratchet wrench and I was being stupid with a big pipe breaker bar
[21:58:35] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: ikr!
[21:58:36] <PetefromTn_> it was a POPULAR MECHANICS brand from Walmart
[21:58:41] <Wolf_> lol
[21:58:45] <PetefromTn_> they replaced it
[21:58:48] <PetefromTn_> for free
[21:58:54] <furrywolf> my snap-on hydraulic wrenches are full polish. lol
[21:58:59] <furrywolf> probably to make cleaning them easier
[21:59:00] <Wolf_> we broke a harbor freight 1” drive in half
[21:59:04] <Jymmm> I break bolts, not tools, though I wish it was the other way around
[21:59:04] * Tom_itx wonders how long a tool discussion can possibly go on for
[21:59:09] <PetefromTn_> the rest of the kit I have owned and wrenched with for almost 20 years now
[21:59:15] <PetefromTn_> never had any problems
[21:59:17] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: infinite
[21:59:22] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: same here
[21:59:25] <zeeshan> but im a but if a ricer
[21:59:29] <zeeshan> i want some fancy name brand stuff
[21:59:29] <PetefromTn_> paid I think $99 once at christmas for the whole set
[21:59:40] <zeeshan> sometimes people associate your work with thge tools you own
[21:59:48] <zeeshan> i know i certainly would not go to a machinist with a china indicator
[21:59:55] <furrywolf> zeeshan: on the s-k ratchet, note the knurling is on the far end, where it has the least force. also note the nice wide taper up to the head, making it both strong and material-efficient. I haven't broken one yet.
[22:00:01] <zeeshan> (for inspection work)
[22:00:08] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, he probably wouldn't show it to you either
[22:00:16] <Wolf_> lol
[22:00:20] <Jymmm> Nice lil solar LED stirng http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MRM1S3C/
[22:00:22] <zeeshan> haha
[22:00:52] <Tom_itx> can't go in the shop dude... liability issues ya know...
[22:00:54] <Wolf_> I only use my china DI on the x1
[22:01:00] <furrywolf> now, craftsman ratchets... I have my suspicion their pear-head ratchets are weaker than harbor freight.
[22:01:05] <furrywolf> especially the new china ones.
[22:01:26] <furrywolf> (all craftsman is china now - if you're seeing anything that says US on it, it's because they're still selling through their old stock)
[22:01:43] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: youre doing it as a hobby though
[22:01:51] <Wolf_> I put the interapid on it once, I won’t do that again, I was ready to smash that mill after that
[22:01:52] <XXCoder> the maker must be china, everything gets made there
[22:01:59] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/MjENr (worksafe)
[22:02:22] <PetefromTn_> HEhEhehehe
[22:03:22] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Chicken Wedding ring, right?
[22:03:30] <SpeedEvil> yes
[22:03:34] <zeeshan> i found a sk tool i dont think is a piece of shit
[22:03:35] <furrywolf> a few people I know have bought the "new" craftsman, and I've looked at it in stores... it's utter crap. the people I know find they break easily, and the ones I looked at had piss-poor fit and finish... and one set, on the shelf at the local sears, had a mis-labeled wrench in the set! the 3/8 was marked 3/4 just like the 3/4... QC? what's that?
[22:03:36] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: thought so =)
[22:03:46] <Wolf_> zeeshan: hobby sorta right now, really I’m doing this stuff to learn, most of the parts i’m making are for the next machine in the line, right now parts for the x2, then parts for a plasma table build for my business...
[22:04:02] <zeeshan> http://www.techshopmag.com/sk-previews-new-ratcheting-wrench-spring-2015/
[22:04:04] <zeeshan> gorceous tool
[22:04:11] <zeeshan> i love the 6 point hex.
[22:04:27] <zeeshan> meat where it counts
[22:04:40] <furrywolf> the fact that they managed to stamp 3/4 into a 3/8 wrench suggests they're relying on slave labor where automation should be used...
[22:04:47] <zeeshan> http://www.techshopmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/HeatMap.jpg
[22:04:53] <zeeshan> they even did some solidworks analysis
[22:04:56] <zeeshan> and call stress map
[22:04:57] <zeeshan> a heat map
[22:04:58] <zeeshan> rofl
[22:05:08] <Wolf_> … wonder if we (guy I work with) won the bid on friday we put in on a tool...
[22:05:15] <XXCoder> zeeshan: nice
[22:05:20] <XXCoder> looks awesome
[22:05:39] <XXCoder> and I see they added a trangle for much more strength
[22:05:40] <furrywolf> zeeshan: those are the s-k made-in-usa ratchet wrenches I mentioned waaay above. lol
[22:05:51] <zeeshan> furrywolf: they just got released..
[22:06:14] <furrywolf> yes.
[22:06:21] <XXCoder> I love urls that arent links :P in least firefox allows me to select it and visit url
[22:06:29] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> whoa. s-k makes ratchet wrenches now. MADE IN USA too. ME WANT.
[22:07:02] <XXCoder> site reqires flash.
[22:07:14] <furrywolf> 216 tooth. :)
[22:07:20] <PetefromTn_> http://cliff.hostkansas.com/images/2012/IMG_20120714_161433.jpg DROOL
[22:07:40] <furrywolf> XXCoder: what site? I don't have flash, and none of the links I've gone to here haven't worked.
[22:07:49] <XXCoder> skjhandtool
[22:07:56] <XXCoder> its for catalog
[22:08:04] <XXCoder> they do have alternate so its fine
[22:08:06] <Wolf_> oo thats handy http://amzn.com/B000TIRZLK
[22:09:45] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: plasma as you know isn't precision
[22:09:50] <zeeshan> so no need to worry about china dti
[22:09:50] <zeeshan> :P
[22:10:01] <Wolf_> yeah :P
[22:10:06] <XXCoder> precision is decided by scale
[22:10:17] <Wolf_> don’t need a DTI to make a truck bumper
[22:10:19] <XXCoder> inch is very precise if its sized by miles
[22:10:29] <zeeshan> XXCoder: we're talking about machining
[22:10:31] <zeeshan> the scale is known
[22:10:43] <XXCoder> zeeshan: I know. I was just giving a example lol
[22:10:45] <zeeshan> :P
[22:11:13] <furrywolf> those s-k us-made ones are cheaper than the snap-on taiwan-made ones.
[22:11:34] <XXCoder> and looks much nicer im sure
[22:11:42] <zeeshan> looks like the sk ones are around 320$
[22:11:43] <XXCoder> snap-on to me is just way overpriced.
[22:11:43] <Wolf_> costing less then snap-on isn’t hard :P
[22:11:48] <zeeshan> a little too much for a wrench set :P
[22:11:58] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SK-Hand-Tools-80049-7-Pc-3-8-3-4-X-Frame-Ratcheting-Wrench-Set-/291583680721
[22:12:07] <XXCoder> I wonder if silver metal wrenches would be cheaper than snap-on ones. :P
[22:12:19] <zeeshan> imperial wrenches are useless for cars
[22:12:20] * Tom_itx loves the wrenches that come with prefab furniture
[22:12:23] <zeeshan> which is where i'd lke to use em.
[22:12:35] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SK-80019-12-Pc-8mm-19mm-X-Frame-Ratcheting-Wrench-Set-/331674861826?hash=item4d395cc102&item=331674861826&vxp=mtr
[22:12:44] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SK-80019-12-Pc-8mm-19mm-X-Frame-Ratcheting-Wrench-Set-/331674861826 those 5 extra wrenches double the price, it seems. :)
[22:12:46] <Tom_itx> with instructions in 15 languages
[22:13:22] <furrywolf> I got something that came with an allen key once. the key promptly twisted into a barber pole the first time I used it.
[22:13:24] <Wolf_> do they make them in useful sizes bigger then them toy sets :P
[22:13:29] <zeeshan> haha Wolf_Mill
[22:13:37] <furrywolf> Wolf_: probably not. neither does snap-on, however.
[22:13:39] <zeeshan> do you really have to openm big ass bolts in tight spots?
[22:14:09] <Wolf_> I have a 15/16” ratcheting box end
[22:14:22] <Wolf_> often...
[22:14:32] <furrywolf> I want to pick up a set of old proto ratchet flarenut wrenches. I have a couple realllly old ones (back when they were tubing appliance co), but no useful sizes.
[22:15:27] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-TUBING-APPLIANCE-CO-TAC-RATCHETING-FLARE-NUT-WRENCH-SET-CROWS-FOOT-/190974773425 like those
[22:15:37] <Wolf_> I have 4 crapsman flare nut sets, I think I have been able to use 2 sizes out of the whole set, most are too damn small
[22:16:02] <furrywolf> bleh, looks like the images are gone
[22:16:10] <zeeshan> flare wrenches are a waste of time on brakes
[22:16:17] <zeeshan> i go straight to vise grips
[22:16:18] <zeeshan> :P
[22:16:29] <Wolf_> oddly I use them on hydraulic lines ;P
[22:16:35] <Tom_itx> they work ok
[22:16:39] <Tom_itx> the ones i have do anyway
[22:17:15] <furrywolf> http://s362.photobucket.com/user/MOPAHOUND/media/SmallerSetRatchetHeadCloseup.jpg.html they work like that
[22:18:14] <furrywolf> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61MZakfswdL._SX466_.jpg I also have a couple of that style, also nice
[22:18:39] <Wolf_> kinda neat, sorta pointless IMO but half the shit I work on the fucking lines are put in spots you can’t get to
[22:18:53] <zeeshan> american design?
[22:18:54] <zeeshan> :D
[22:19:07] <zeeshan> dude i had such a good time pulling thos eparts off the nakamura
[22:19:10] <zeeshan> everything came off so easily
[22:19:17] <Wolf_> bobcat, cat, komatsu
[22:19:18] <zeeshan> not over torqued
[22:19:18] <furrywolf> the second style is nice because it grips all six corners, so you can round them all at once instead of two at a time. :)
[22:19:29] <zeeshan> easy peezee work
[22:19:35] <Wolf_> all the shit is packed in so you can’t get to the line thats leaking
[22:19:39] <zeeshan> lol
[22:19:44] <zeeshan> gotta remove half the machine?
[22:19:45] <zeeshan> :D
[22:19:57] <furrywolf> yeah, I've seen valve bodies where you have to pull a few hoses from the outside in to get to the one you're trying to get to...
[22:20:01] <Wolf_> need to pull the motor on the bobcat to fix one of the leaks
[22:20:12] <zeeshan> hahaha
[22:20:13] <zeeshan> nice
[22:20:22] <furrywolf> the most annoying thing I did lately was the starter motor on a john deere... first step REMOVE ENGINE.
[22:20:39] <Wolf_> worst was the braked on my Long backhoe
[22:20:51] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: you repeat earth moving machinery?
[22:20:54] <zeeshan> *repair
[22:20:56] <Wolf_> had to remove the rear axle and split the housing
[22:21:09] <Wolf_> yeah, do a little of everything
[22:21:15] <XXCoder> furrywolf: yeah MUCH less chance of stripping
[22:21:16] <zeeshan> nice
[22:21:19] <SpeedEvil> Where you need a hoist to move the hoist.
[22:21:23] <Wolf_> might be getting back in to excavation work
[22:21:39] <furrywolf> remove clutch, remove pto, remove throttle, remove choke, remove fuel lines, remove electrical, remove outside cowling, remove engine, remove governor and throttle linkage, remove engine cowling... remove two bolts and change start motor.
[22:22:07] <Wolf_> thats not too bad, what sized deer?
[22:22:10] <furrywolf> it should not be a multi-hour project to change a starter motor.
[22:22:14] <SpeedEvil> B) manufacture a starter motor that fits onto the PTO
[22:22:14] <XXCoder> heh i still remember mecury sable 1988 water pump. i was supposed to remove engine to change water pump. wee we found a other way. lift engine slightly lol
[22:22:30] <furrywolf> little lawn-sized one. hydraulic with a tiny 3-point hitch.
[22:23:07] <Wolf_> so smaller then the backhoe wheels lol
[22:23:15] <furrywolf> 2-cyl onan, mounted the WRONG WAY. which is why a trivial project instead takes several hours.
[22:23:57] <Wolf_> I never did the brakes on that machine, looked at the manual and said fuck it
[22:23:57] <furrywolf> having to dismantle the governor is just plain evil.
[22:25:26] <furrywolf> Wolf_: consider picking up a few wrenches like http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61MZakfswdL._SX466_.jpg and seeing how you like them. they seem reasonable strip-resistant, and ratchet in 1/12 of a turn... not fine tooth obviously, but for lazy people they're nice. :)
[22:25:53] <furrywolf> they're kinda self-tightening like a pipe wrench, and grip well.
[22:26:06] <furrywolf> make sure you get US ones, obviously.
[22:27:56] <furrywolf> Wolf_: you do any hydraulic motor/pump design? I've been slowly bouncing around my head the idea for an ultra-efficient pump/motor, of the axial piston swashplate variety.
[22:28:23] <Wolf_> no, I just replace hoses and stuff lol
[22:28:29] <furrywolf> all antifriction bearings, no sliding surfaces, crossheads, and poppet valves. :)
[22:29:00] <furrywolf> crossheads to avoid piston skirts, of course.
[22:29:29] <zeeshan> damn it my fanuc stash does not have antyhing about this motor :(
[22:29:52] <furrywolf> connect drive to power, enjoy?
[22:30:02] <zeeshan> k
[22:30:20] <furrywolf> make sure to strap the motor down to a pallet nice and tight first. :)
[22:30:31] <PetefromTn_> Fanuc....kinda like pain
[22:30:36] <zeeshan> yea pete
[22:30:36] <zeeshan> lol
[22:30:48] <zeeshan> i have a feeling im going to go thru what ssi went thru
[22:31:00] <PetefromTn_> probably
[22:31:02] <furrywolf> you might want to avoid that... houses are expensive.
[22:31:05] <PetefromTn_> those are some monster servos
[22:31:11] <furrywolf> oh, you mean motors... :P
[22:31:31] <zeeshan> i wish i wrote down the numbers for the servo
[22:31:37] <zeeshan> only got it for the spindle
[22:32:03] <furrywolf> hurry up and get it home. :)
[22:33:24] <furrywolf> "if you buy an S•K tool it is made
[22:33:25] <furrywolf> in the USA, no questions asked or needed. So, unlike competitive
[22:33:25] <furrywolf> products, you do not need to research each tool to decipher the
[22:33:25] <furrywolf> country of origin.
[22:33:25] <furrywolf> If it says S•K on it, it is made in the USA"
[22:33:27] <furrywolf> bah, sorry.
[22:33:29] <zeeshan> i asked the person whos selling the stuff
[22:33:34] <furrywolf> their stupid catalog viewer apparantly has hard line breaks.
[22:33:38] <zeeshan> the machinery dealer guy to give me the books
[22:33:48] <zeeshan> i didnt find em where he told me they were..
[22:33:58] <Wolf_> zeeshan: should have just loaded it on your car and took it home after getting all that weight off of it http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Workshop/Lumber-Car-A.jpg
[22:34:27] <zeeshan> :)
[22:34:27] <XXCoder> Wolf_: wow you found it! I wanted to show that recently
[22:34:47] <Wolf_> funny note, I eaten at that IHOP
[22:35:10] <furrywolf> I wish the mil safety photo of the week archives were findable.
[22:35:19] <furrywolf> archive.org has the index pages, but not the photos!
[22:35:33] <furrywolf> and their new site only has the last hundred or so, the first 500 are gone.
[22:36:24] <furrywolf> "Not only are all of our tools manufactured in the USA, all of the components and raw materials are of USA origin as well."
[22:39:45] <PetefromTn_> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/5262110534.html
[22:40:09] <zeeshan> not a bad deal
[22:40:26] <zeeshan> needs 21 22 and 24! :P
[22:40:33] <zeeshan> and 8
[22:40:34] <furrywolf> I have that exact set.
[22:40:35] <Wolf_> the best way to get snap-on tools, out of work mechanics :P
[22:40:52] <furrywolf> it's in my subaru right now, in fact. lol
[22:41:49] <furrywolf> 19 is enough to work on a subaru. :)
[22:41:59] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/FANUC-AC-SPINDLE-MOTOR-MODEL-12-A06B-1012-B100-TESTED-WARRANTY-/390451706651
[22:42:00] <zeeshan> wtf
[22:42:06] <furrywolf> there's a few larger things (hub nuts, etc), but sockets work for them.
[22:42:07] <zeeshan> 2400 replacement cost
[22:42:19] <zeeshan> hope its not busted :P
[22:42:22] <furrywolf> I think the hubs are 36mm, 200ftlbs...
[22:42:31] <furrywolf> motor shops can fix most things cheaper than that
[22:42:56] <PetefromTn_> I thought you were going to replace the motor?
[22:42:58] <Wolf_> I miss my chevelle… only needed 9/16” 1/2” 7/16” to take most of the car apart
[22:43:02] <zeeshan> pete no!!
[22:43:06] <zeeshan> andy helped me find out
[22:43:10] <zeeshan> that its a brushless ac motor
[22:43:13] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: he's now realized the motor is awesome.
[22:43:15] <zeeshan> i want to keep it
[22:43:21] <zeeshan> i can index the spindle
[22:43:25] <zeeshan> and add live tooling later on
[22:43:38] <zeeshan> it has a brake caliper to hold the spindle in place
[22:44:08] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is all nice and fuzzy but can you power it?
[22:44:14] <zeeshan> yes
[22:44:17] <furrywolf> most of my daily-use wrenches are craftsman, with proto when I need quality... the snapon doesn't see much use.
[22:44:21] <zeeshan> because the drive likely needs DC volts
[22:44:22] <zeeshan> not 3 phase
[22:44:45] <PetefromTn_> 20HP worth of DC volts
[22:44:49] <zeeshan> no
[22:44:51] <zeeshan> you can derate it
[22:44:56] <zeeshan> and rujn the motor at 10hp
[22:45:05] <zeeshan> like think of a dc motor, if you dont gie it enough current
[22:45:09] <zeeshan> it just doesnt make as much torque
[22:45:15] <zeeshan> its not like an ac induction motor
[22:45:19] <zeeshan> which will try to draw more current
[22:45:35] <zeeshan> when the voltage is low
[22:45:35] <PetefromTn_> ok
[22:45:37] <furrywolf> the drive might do full power on single-phase. all depends on whether the input rectifiers are the weak point.
[22:45:51] <zeeshan> furrywolf: im not experimenting with a 3000$ replacement drive.
[22:46:05] <zeeshan> if i dont have specs and exact stuff for it
[22:46:06] <furrywolf> if the drive does have a straight rectifier input, and the input stage is the limiting factor, you can use an external rectifier for full power.
[22:46:12] <zeeshan> im not playing the guessing game, ill sell it all
[22:46:19] * PetefromTn_ bows to the collective electronics genius of the group which he does not posess ;)
[22:46:20] <furrywolf> big diodes are cheap... I bought some 600A ones last year for $25 each.
[22:46:51] <zeeshan> youre forgetting that the traces arent designed
[22:46:54] <zeeshan> for that kind of current
[22:47:41] * Tom_itx wonders why they never put an 18mm in a wrench set
[22:47:49] <zeeshan> tom mine has
[22:47:50] <zeeshan> :)
[22:47:56] <Tom_itx> i've got one as well
[22:47:58] <furrywolf> the current after the rectifier stage is the same regardless of how many phases go into it
[22:48:04] <Tom_itx> from 6-24mm iirc
[22:48:04] <zeeshan> i have never really used it to be honest
[22:48:10] <furrywolf> because nothing has an 18mm bolt in it? :P
[22:48:13] <Tom_itx> i have needed one before
[22:48:17] <Tom_itx> i have needed one before
[22:48:17] <Tom_itx> i have needed one before
[22:48:21] <furrywolf> I have 18mm wrenches... don't think I've ever used one.
[22:48:24] <Tom_itx> and i have one
[22:48:33] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i would appreciate if you stop helping me
[22:48:37] <furrywolf> Tom_itx: because it was an american size and you had a metric set? :P
[22:48:44] <zeeshan> i'll figure it out :)
[22:48:45] <zeeshan> thanks!
[22:48:54] <Tom_itx> i've got both sets actually
[22:48:59] <furrywolf> ... wtf?
[22:49:08] <zeeshan> i don't want to hear you whine later on
[22:49:10] <zeeshan> on how you helped me
[22:49:16] <zeeshan> it's frustrating
[22:49:24] <Tom_itx> you mean like on the fixture?
[22:49:25] <zeeshan> so let's just make that very clear right from the beginning :)
[22:50:38] <PetefromTn_> Oh jeez
[22:51:10] <zeeshan> haha i just wanna be clear about iut
[22:51:16] <zeeshan> cause ill be talking a lot about it in the upcoming months :P
[22:51:18] <zeeshan> you know how i am
[22:51:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah...you talk ;)
[22:51:37] * Tom_itx prepares his load of crap ahead of time
[22:51:42] <zeeshan> haha
[22:52:12] <furrywolf> well, if I'm not helping others, and I'm not needing help for my own mill, not much point in being here.
[22:52:32] <zeeshan> theres 140 others in here to help
[22:52:32] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I screwed up a part because I did not pickup the second side right......BAAAAHHHHHH!!!!
[22:52:33] <zeeshan> :)
[22:52:43] <zeeshan> noooooooo
[22:52:49] <zeeshan> how much time into the part
[22:52:54] <PetefromTn_> about 30
[22:52:56] <zeeshan> =/
[22:53:04] <PetefromTn_> but I am pissed anyway
[22:53:14] <PetefromTn_> almost out of material
[22:53:28] <PetefromTn_> need another stick-O-6061
[22:53:47] <zeeshan> delicious 6061
[22:53:54] <zeeshan> machines munch em nice
[22:53:55] <PetefromTn_> its whats for dinner
[22:54:01] <Tom_itx> need i show my supply of raw materials???
[22:54:07] <zeeshan> no tom!!
[22:54:10] <Tom_itx> hah
[22:54:11] <zeeshan> it's imprinted in my head
[22:54:12] <PetefromTn_> don't tease
[22:55:01] <Tom_itx> you know, i thought about that... being in a place where i would be without all the resources i have around here
[22:55:03] <zeeshan> i hurt his feelings :P
[22:55:12] <Tom_itx> i might hurt myself..
[22:55:30] <zeeshan> i love coming in here and discussing stuff
[22:55:55] <Tom_itx> i can usually get an answer here when i really need one
[22:56:06] <PetefromTn_> I'll give you an answer
[22:56:16] <PetefromTn_> might not be the correct one ;)
[22:56:23] <Wolf_> I usually get answers that I don’t need :D
[22:56:23] <Tom_itx> i can generally figure it out though
[22:56:44] <PetefromTn_> I need an answer to this damn toolchanger :D
[22:56:54] <XXCoder> woot
[22:56:56] <Wolf_> I need to make one...
[22:57:00] <XXCoder> fixed my display driver issue
[22:57:03] <Tom_itx> it would be easy were i there
[22:57:05] <XXCoder> freecad looks good
[22:57:53] <PetefromTn_> what would be easy
[22:57:59] <Tom_itx> getting it working
[22:58:10] <PetefromTn_> I'm sure
[22:58:20] <Tom_itx> andy did the hard work
[22:58:52] <Tom_itx> (hard for me anyway)
[22:59:42] <PetefromTn_> yeah well I am not that guy
[22:59:43] <Tom_itx> anonimasu sp? designed one for his mill
[23:00:06] <Tom_itx> gawd.. i can't even remember where he's at now
[23:00:14] <Tom_itx> sweeden maybe?
[23:00:52] <Tom_itx> he builds forestry machinery
[23:01:21] <zeeshan> i remember him
[23:01:33] <Tom_itx> he still pops in every so often
[23:02:53] <Tom_itx> it wasn't sweeden but i can't remember where now
[23:08:55] <ssi_> zeeeeeeeee
[23:13:59] <zeeshan> ssi!
[23:14:00] <zeeshan> :P
[23:14:05] <zeeshan> its odd for you to be on so late :P
[23:16:12] <ssi> yeah
[23:16:24] <ssi> about to go to bed but I was bored
[23:16:36] <ssi> I have to get up early to go do some aerial photography
[23:17:37] <Wolf_> thx for linking that damn helicycle the other night, been looking at them on/off since then
[23:18:12] <ssi> Wolf_: :D :D :D :D
[23:22:25] <PetefromTn_> I'm tired and bored
[23:32:45] <ssi> I'm reading backscroll
[23:32:47] <ssi> it's entertaining
[23:32:53] <zeeshan> lol
[23:33:27] <PetefromTn_> watchin' a good but depressing movie
[23:33:53] <ssi> my roommate's an air traffic controller, and he lost an airplane yesterday :/
[23:33:58] <Wolf_> someone needs to mount a plushy wolf head on a plaque for zeeshan
[23:34:17] <PetefromTn_> define lost
[23:34:28] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: hahah
[23:34:29] <zeeshan> i feel bad
[23:34:32] <zeeshan> but iwanted to be honest w/ him
[23:34:35] <ssi> PetefromTn_: guy lost control in heavy turbulence trying to get through that nasty weather in tennessee
[23:35:00] <ssi> airplane might have broken up, or it might have just disconnected the autopilot due to overloading the servos and he couldn't keep it under control
[23:35:11] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[23:35:12] <ssi> http://fox59.com/2015/10/10/cook-medical-vp-of-engineering-and-daughter-die-in-tennessee-plane-crash/
[23:35:16] <PetefromTn_> single seater?
[23:35:23] <ssi> four place
[23:35:27] <ssi> a columbia 400
[23:36:00] <PetefromTn_> jeez Father and Daughter.
[23:36:03] <ssi> yeah :/
[23:36:07] <ssi> and she's a twin
[23:36:24] <PetefromTn_> So so sad
[23:36:50] <zeeshan> i try to look at the bright side
[23:36:52] <zeeshan> they went out quick
[23:36:58] <zeeshan> =/
[23:36:59] <ssi> not quick enough
[23:37:09] <ssi> he screamed over the radio :(
[23:37:19] <zeeshan> thats ok
[23:37:23] <zeeshan> didnt have to suffer thru cancer
[23:37:28] <ssi> yea well dan's fucked up over it
[23:37:34] <ssi> they're trying to get him to take 45 days psych leave
[23:37:39] <PetefromTn_> I can understand that
[23:37:48] <XXCoder> :(
[23:37:53] <zeeshan> sux =/
[23:38:11] <ssi> it's part of the job tho
[23:38:23] <ssi> dude should have slowed down
[23:38:46] <ssi> the columbia is a fast bitch, and at high speed cruise it can't take those gust loads
[23:38:58] <ssi> if he'd gone through it in the green arc he probably would have been fine
[23:39:13] <renesis> what happened?
[23:39:19] <renesis> driving the plane too fast?
[23:39:28] <ssi> flew it through a thunderstorm
[23:39:51] <renesis> article doesnt say much, and i dont care about them so much, jezus fuck at the brother/son
[23:39:59] <renesis> oh, crazy
[23:41:00] <Wolf_> don’t most people run gps w/ weather overlays or some shit
[23:41:11] <ssi> yeah
[23:41:21] <ssi> nexrad is useful but it's not perfect
[23:41:25] <ssi> it's fairly laggy
[23:41:37] <ssi> I always try to fly behind the cells, so when I get there they will be further along
[23:41:43] <ssi> trying to fly in front of them is perilous
[23:42:03] <ssi> sometimes you have no choice but to penetrate some heavier returns
[23:42:14] <ssi> but you gotta GOTTA slow down
[23:42:18] <ssi> down to maneuvering speed is ideal
[23:44:42] <renesis> even if he sreamed going down, sounds like the end was crazy quick from the linked article
[23:45:00] <renesis> everyone says they heard a boom and saw the sky go red =\
[23:45:15] <ssi> yep
[23:45:34] <ssi> tri-cities tracon reported him losing 9000' in fifteen seconds
[23:45:42] <ssi> they came down FAST
[23:45:55] <renesis> oh wow, like it kinda stalled and fell out of the sky
[23:46:05] <ssi> no, that would have been far slower
[23:46:11] <ssi> spiral dive likely
[23:46:13] <ssi> I bet they hit 400mph
[23:46:14] <Wolf_> that sounds like under power
[23:46:21] <renesis> like he got confused and pointed it at the ground?
[23:46:35] <XXCoder> broken evelators?
[23:46:36] <ssi> it's immensely difficult to keep an airplane under control in the clouds
[23:46:40] <Wolf_> http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/8/6/4/0169468.jpg fancy looking
[23:46:40] <ssi> far more than you can imagine
[23:46:55] <ssi> and he almost certainly was flying with the autopilot engaged
[23:47:03] <renesis> holy shit thats 41omph avg speed
[23:47:30] <ssi> in heavy turbulence, the autopilot will fight the hell out of the gusts to keep you level and on altitude
[23:47:37] <renesis> *410
[23:47:58] <ssi> so either the autopilot gave up when its trim limits were exceeded, and he wasn't on top of his shit when it happened, and lost control
[23:48:10] <ssi> OR the autopilot didn't give up, and overstressed the airframe and they broke up
[23:48:24] <renesis> oh damn the autopilot can do that?
[23:48:26] <ssi> the columbia cruises like 235kt
[23:48:35] <ssi> sure... it has full elevator authority
[23:48:39] <renesis> i guess thats prob better than giving up
[23:49:35] <ssi> Va on the columbia is 158kt
[23:49:45] <ssi> that's the maximum speed that you can apply full controls without over-G
[23:50:23] <ssi> Vno is 181kt, that's the top of the green arc, which is "max structural cruise", the speed below which it can take a 50fps vertical shear without over-G
[23:50:27] <renesis> yeah i dunno what that means i have zero context
[23:50:48] <ssi> means if he went hauling balls at 235kt into heavy turbulence, it's very likely he overstressed it and maybe broke somethign
[23:52:10] <Wolf_> being not a pilot my first thought would be to kick it in the ass and get though the rough shut
[23:52:16] <Wolf_> shut/stuff
[23:52:22] <Tom_itx> you think he was trying to beat the storm?
[23:52:45] <ssi> he was trying to penetrate a massive line that stretched all the way across the eastern half of the US last night
[23:52:53] <renesis> wolf_: yeah fuck that, being a driver you slow the fuck down so you can react and turn in time
[23:53:01] <Tom_itx> probably not a good idea
[23:53:10] <ssi> that weather was ugly
[23:53:23] <ssi> I was flying last night too, I had to run to ocala to deliver a cat, and back before the storem
[23:53:27] <ssi> and i JUST made it
[23:53:44] <renesis> usually when i feel like driving faster because im tired and almost there, i pull over and take a nap
[23:54:06] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRAnKj-WsAAV64i.jpg
[23:55:25] <renesis> a cat?
[23:55:56] <renesis> you follow the storm fronts so you can back off if it gets nuts?
[23:56:18] <renesis> i dunno how fast storms go, heh
[23:56:27] <Tom_itx> they vary
[23:56:57] <Tom_itx> around here they can go pretty quick
[23:57:15] <ssi> yea
[23:57:34] <renesis> liked 50mph quick? 200mph quick?
[23:57:48] <ssi> 30mph quick
[23:57:50] <PetefromTn_> well goodnight fellas
[23:57:53] <renesis> they kind of seam car quick, just guessing from how they move on animated radar
[23:57:56] <Tom_itx> i've seen 70mph straightline winds around here
[23:57:58] <ssi> night pete
[23:58:00] <Tom_itx> not all that uncommon
[23:58:05] <renesis> nite
[23:58:17] <Tom_itx> enough to bend over interstate road signs
[23:58:29] <renesis> fuck man i have no concept of weather
[23:58:50] <renesis> californians are pussies in context of weather =\
[23:58:57] <ssi> lol california has zero weather
[23:59:04] <renesis> i dont consider it
[23:59:23] <XXCoder> I lived at calfornia for 2 years
[23:59:36] <XXCoder> never had any clouds and any rain at all till last 2 days I lived there
[23:59:51] <XXCoder> it was bad drought. well till recent and current one anyway
[23:59:55] <renesis> yeah in socal itll be like that
[23:59:59] <renesis> sometimes for a few years