#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-10-08

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[00:01:24] <fenn> they have a "email me when in stock" feature
[00:01:42] <fenn> i don't really want walmart emailing me though
[00:01:51] <Contract_Pilot> the e-mail me dont work.
[00:02:05] <Contract_Pilot> got 20 orderd today.
[00:02:19] <Praesmeodymium> wow
[00:02:51] <Contract_Pilot> 2 bathcs of 10 hahaha
[00:03:29] <Contract_Pilot> 8.94 each
[00:03:44] <Contract_Pilot> I am being selfish
[00:04:34] <fenn> do they actually work?
[00:05:16] <Contract_Pilot> Seem to i checked them with my working controller
[00:05:31] <fenn> the drivers i mean
[00:05:37] <Contract_Pilot> Powerd up the drivers
[00:06:05] <Contract_Pilot> Not sure but for the price? Will test when they get here.
[00:06:29] <Contract_Pilot> I should wire one up...
[00:08:22] <Wolf_> I hope I can catch them on there…. still kicking myself for not getting any the first time they got linked
[00:08:53] <Contract_Pilot> I know the build quality looks good.
[00:09:18] <Contract_Pilot> I will wire one up in the morning been a long long day.
[00:11:41] * fenn sleeps
[00:16:00] <Praesmeodymium> http://sumtorelec.com/product.asp?plt=38&Pone=3&Ptwo=0&Pthree=0&Pfour=0
[00:16:05] <Praesmeodymium> thats the mfg of mine
[00:27:51] <Connor> Wolf_ Wolf_Mill Are you applying the drawbar force directly on the spindle ?
[00:28:00] <Wolf_> yup
[00:28:44] <Connor> Not a good idea. You need to make a floating plate and squeeze the Belleville washers.
[00:29:50] <Wolf_> I could, but I would have to ditch the drive pully
[00:30:20] <Connor> How much PSI and FT lbs are you getting with that air cylinder?
[00:30:24] <Connor> No you wouldn't.
[00:30:36] <Wolf_> 800lbs
[00:32:16] <Connor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=185716&d=1389534033&thumb=1
[00:32:39] <Wolf_> bearing is only rated for 14,3kN
[00:33:04] <Connor> With TTS you really want around 1800 to 2200 lbs
[00:34:14] <Connor> http://www.migration.g0704.com/images/TTS%20Power%20Drawbar.jpg
[00:35:09] <Connor> see the middle plate? It's got clearance for the tophat.
[00:35:21] <Connor> and it "floats" squeezing just the washers..
[00:35:31] <Connor> not putting that stress on the bearings.
[00:35:53] <Wolf_> yeah I know how it works
[00:36:27] <Connor> okay. Just throwing my $.02 in..
[00:36:55] <Connor> What mill is that ?
[00:37:11] <Wolf_> spindle has angular contacts at both ends
[00:37:42] <Wolf_> X2/high torque LMS/X2P hybrid
[00:38:10] <Connor> AC bearings or not.. it could muck up your preload.
[00:38:46] <Connor> Everything if read, seen and heard says that applying the force direct to the spindle like that is a bad idea. :)
[00:40:47] <Wolf_> well, one way to find out lol bearing should be good for 3000lbs at least static
[00:41:25] <Wolf_> but being side load, figure less then half? lol
[00:43:01] <Wolf_> I would also need to hunt down a new air cylinder that can do 2000lbs
[00:51:04] <Connor> need one like this: http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_04_09_14_06.jpg
[00:51:40] <Wolf_> yeah...
[00:51:43] <Connor> Tripple stack 3" (I can't remember
[00:52:03] <Connor> Just zoomed in.. yea.. MP3x1x3x1FF....
[00:52:20] <Connor> Picked it up on ebay a while back.
[00:54:32] <Wolf_> at worst if it doesn’t work out I’ll make a bell crank arm w/ cam or something and make it floating
[00:55:23] <Connor> how much stroke with that one ?
[00:55:30] <Wolf_> 3/4"
[00:55:57] <Connor> I wish mine had less..it's 1" Only need 1/2" or so.
[00:56:02] <Connor> uses more air...
[00:56:22] <Wolf_> it was one of the few 3” I saw on eBay last week
[00:56:29] <Connor> My plan is to use SCUBA tank for.
[00:56:36] <Connor> for the air supply
[00:56:39] <Wolf_> good part is I only have $20 in to it
[00:58:12] <Connor> yea, they're not easy to come by..
[00:58:17] <Connor> I got super lucky.
[00:59:31] <Wolf_> same, $40 new w/ no box, seller refunded me $20 cause they noticed that it had scratches and a ding on it that wasn’t in the listing
[01:07:41] <Jymmm> scuba tank? With O2 ?
[01:08:30] <Wolf_> scuba tank is just compressed air most of the times, 3000psi
[01:10:20] <Jymmm> Hmmm, no idea. jdh is the one that refills his own scub tanks for diving.
[01:32:36] * ganzuul mounted a square block in a 3 jaw chuck...
[01:32:42] <ganzuul> They said it could not be done.
[01:34:40] <ganzuul> This is obviously the wrong way to do it: http://s111.photobucket.com/user/rake60/media/Square3JawFront.jpg.html
[01:53:49] <ganzuul> Got myself a ghetto tool post for 16mm bits. Saved ~240 euro. None of that QCTP stuff here. :)
[02:29:02] <Contract_Pilot> Ok, I checked all 3 drivers that arrived on 48V all ok. They work.
[02:30:14] <Deejay> moin
[02:30:33] <ganzuul> o/
[02:31:49] <Contract_Pilot> evening Deejay
[02:34:24] <Contract_Pilot> Thinking for an enclosure make a nice wood box?
[02:35:47] <archivist> metal machines deserve metal boxes
[02:36:19] <archivist> wood is a heat insulator, not good for the enclosed electronics
[02:36:57] <Contract_Pilot> That is true thinking of somthing cheap?
[02:37:10] <Contract_Pilot> Wish i had a sheetmetal brake.
[02:37:35] <archivist> I tend to reuse boxes/cases I have
[02:39:10] <archivist> the 5 axis is about to get a weather proof box from a telecomms application (mobile phone cell)
[02:42:38] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, was looking on e-bay at enclosures
[02:43:51] <archivist> I have even considered old PC tower cases, pc in original place, drivers on fold out door
[02:53:04] <Contract_Pilot> Was looking for a 19" rack case
[02:56:34] <archivist> erm that and the rack may be larger than the machine its driving :)
[02:57:20] <archivist> I just derigged the rack that came with the CMM, just too large
[02:57:55] <archivist> I do use a short rack on wheels for tools
[02:59:57] <_abc_> archivist: I made a driver that fits in lieu of 3 5 inch drives
[03:00:03] <_abc_> archivist: front panel connectors
[03:08:25] <Contract_Pilot> they have them 8.00 motor/drivers in stock again.
[03:08:41] <Contract_Pilot> Maybe i should order 10 more and make it an even 30 hahaha
[03:42:52] <MrSunshine> hmm ... vacumm table with combined clamping option ... how the heck should one do that to make it work smoothly =)
[04:19:08] <Praesmeodymium> Contract_Pilot: ty for leaving me a few more motors to buy, I put em in my cart, decided against it then remembered you said the motors you got were way bigger than the ad said they were, which I am more than ok with
[04:21:49] <Contract_Pilot> <Praesmeodymium> check dcc
[04:30:29] <ganzuul> http://gizmodo.com/a-nasa-experiment-is-going-to-light-up-the-sky-with-bea-1735168250
[04:30:35] <ganzuul> Obvious UFO coverup.
[04:44:31] <XXCoder> heys
[04:48:24] <Contract_Pilot> hey xx
[04:48:38] <Contract_Pilot> there are still some motors left for ya?
[04:48:45] <XXCoder> motors?
[04:50:32] <XXCoder> not too sure whats you talking about Contract_Pilot :(
[04:50:35] <XXCoder> er :)
[04:51:39] <Contract_Pilot> may have been somone else about the 9.00 motos and drivers
[04:52:01] <XXCoder> likely
[04:54:11] <XXCoder> well hows stuff
[04:59:13] <malcom2073> Contract_Pilot: Got a link for them?
[04:59:57] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0ND-0007-00037
[05:00:31] <Contract_Pilot> the one i recived was the 400in oz so i orderd 20 today.
[05:00:52] <malcom2073> Lol, nema23 with that tall of a stack would be large
[05:00:59] <malcom2073> HAha you ordered 20?
[05:01:03] <Contract_Pilot> Yea,
[05:01:20] <malcom2073> That came with a MB450 drive?
[05:01:23] <XXCoder> whoa what
[05:01:36] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Sumtor-elec-microstep-driver-MB450A-AKA-M542.jpg
[05:01:36] <XXCoder> 9 bucks for large nema23 and controllere
[05:02:33] <Contract_Pilot> even if they correct it and ship the smaller worth it for the driver
[05:02:57] <XXCoder> can I use drivers with tb6560?
[05:03:18] <XXCoder> 78 oz.in lemme see what mine is
[05:03:56] <XXCoder> 110Ncm lemme convert
[05:04:00] <Contract_Pilot> Drivers are Leadshine M542 Clones and nice ones
[05:04:24] <XXCoder> 155.773125505938
[05:04:35] <XXCoder> more than twice as powerful
[05:04:45] <XXCoder> assuming it wasnt a lie
[05:05:21] <XXCoder> I dont get it, that longer motor is much weaker
[05:05:33] <Contract_Pilot> Misprinted title
[05:06:27] <Contract_Pilot> if you look at the photo the 57HS11242A4 is the motor they sent on my first order. visit
[05:06:27] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=Nema23&N=-1&isNodeId=1 look at the model # a14031100ux0066 now look at amazon http://www.amazon.com/Phase-Robot-Stepper-397oz-Driver/dp/B00KKKPW6M
[05:06:27] <Contract_Pilot> Should be the larger steppers
[05:06:39] <Praesmeodymium> giving away the store lol
[05:06:43] <Contract_Pilot> I know the one i recived was
[05:07:07] <XXCoder> 397 oz.in
[05:07:13] <XXCoder> mich more powerful than mine
[05:07:43] <Contract_Pilot> the nema 34 i orderd they shipped a 24 hahaha
[05:08:07] <XXCoder> whats they do when you complained?
[05:08:11] <Contract_Pilot> the model # a14031100ux0066 was for a 24 not a 34
[05:08:49] <Contract_Pilot> ignore the title look at the model #
[05:09:14] <Contract_Pilot> Grab the model # and then google it will tell ya what you will get.
[05:09:45] <malcom2073> Buying4 now heh
[05:10:24] <XXCoder> I wonder whats benefits of more powerful nema 23s
[05:11:04] <Contract_Pilot> Seems to restock at 12am and 12pm ish
[05:11:26] <Praesmeodymium> what time is it for yuo now
[05:14:37] <Contract_Pilot> almost 3am
[05:14:40] <Contract_Pilot> bed time
[05:25:02] <XXCoder> whoa
[05:25:03] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/RR6sB5r1xHU
[05:25:10] <XXCoder> guy was dumb enough to return
[05:32:26] <Sync> first thing to remember when robbing industrial things is to have tape or door weights ready
[05:32:43] <XXCoder> I definitely see value of tough doors
[05:32:50] <malcom2073> Heh
[05:32:52] <malcom2073> That's awesome
[05:33:07] <Sync> I once got almost trolled when we were installing stuff because I was in a room that had only doors that could be opened from the other side and an emergency exit
[05:33:51] <XXCoder> I was trapped in cross-hallway once
[05:34:03] <XXCoder> building closed while I was working on refilling vend machines
[05:34:35] <XXCoder> my coworker had card I didn't, but it shouldnt needed but building locked down while i was walking on way to van.
[05:34:41] <XXCoder> so i ended up trapped lol
[05:34:44] <malcom2073> Heh
[05:35:04] <XXCoder> though big difference was I wasnt a thief
[05:35:07] <XXCoder> so i just waited.
[05:36:24] <malcom2073> Were you hourly? Cause that's even better :)
[05:36:33] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:36:45] <XXCoder> took my coworker 20 min to get to me
[05:36:58] <XXCoder> guy had to refill vend machines
[05:41:03] <malcom2073> These nema23's will go nice on my tabletop router
[05:41:34] <malcom2073> XXCoder: You see the aliexpress seller got suspended?
[05:41:40] <XXCoder> malcom2073: ye[
[05:41:43] <XXCoder> waiting for refund
[05:41:47] <malcom2073> Yeah
[05:41:59] * XXCoder has sad though
[05:42:05] <XXCoder> i wanted the damned printer lol
[05:42:09] <malcom2073> Me too lol
[05:42:17] <malcom2073> Too good to be true is once again, not true
[05:42:21] <malcom2073> Hoping these steppers are ok
[05:44:50] <Contract_Pilot> the one on the left... http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Motors-Drivers-Walmart-1024x576.jpg
[05:45:07] <XXCoder> big
[05:45:09] <Contract_Pilot> one in the middle is Nema24 and the right is 260oz
[05:45:19] <Contract_Pilot> ahhh 160oz
[05:45:23] <XXCoder> I wonder though if too large would damage router?
[05:45:37] <Contract_Pilot> Weigh about 4lbs
[05:46:22] <malcom2073> If you crash it, sure
[05:46:50] <Contract_Pilot> That to do what to do.
[05:46:54] <XXCoder> and sudden stops
[05:47:02] <XXCoder> thats what I bet too lol
[05:50:14] <XXCoder> http://parts.io/ interesting
[05:59:18] <Contract_Pilot> Need to find a steal on some AC servo's with drives
[06:07:40] <Yopla> hi all
[06:08:44] <malcom2073> Hi
[06:11:28] <XXCoder> you guys know any good rx safety glasses?
[06:11:39] <XXCoder> or good and confortable safety classes that go over glasses?
[06:12:00] <Jymmm> Either goggles or shield
[06:12:08] <XXCoder> well yes
[06:12:17] <XXCoder> im asking what is god brand or type
[06:12:32] <XXCoder> sorry bit vague lol googles is what I meant
[06:12:36] <Jymmm> Any, as if/when they get scratched just replace em.
[06:13:49] <XXCoder> most seem to be unconfortable to me
[06:13:59] <XXCoder> and one I currently use is quite worn lol
[06:14:12] <Jymmm> XXCoder: That's what I was just going to say, the biggest thing is them fitting more than anything else.
[06:15:04] <Jymmm> Here ya go.. a 3 pack http://www.harborfreight.com/safety-goggles-3-pack-66538.html
[06:15:11] <Jymmm> for $3.49
[06:15:36] <XXCoder> it cant be used with glasses
[06:15:53] <Jymmm> http://www.harborfreight.com/adjustable-face-shield-46526.html
[06:15:58] <XXCoder> lol
[06:17:46] <Sync> XXCoder: get prescription safety glasses made
[06:18:02] <XXCoder> how much usually for it?
[06:19:30] <Sync> depends on your frame I guess, but I think they start at 20-30$
[06:22:08] <XXCoder> ok
[06:22:15] <XXCoder> online or glass stores?
[06:25:55] <Sync> the people I know go to a optician, but I guess a glass store will also work
[06:26:04] <Sync> maybe ask your employer if they have a deal with a company
[06:26:18] <XXCoder> good idea. thanks
[06:27:22] <jthornton> WOW I made it
[06:27:31] <XXCoder> sorry but you didnt
[06:27:54] <Sync> oh hwhw wow
[06:27:57] <jthornton> I got my one 1 for my birthday
[06:28:11] <Sync> just reading osha
[06:28:15] <XXCoder> congats! :)
[06:28:58] <jthornton> I've been working on this for a long time, now 20 more to go
[06:29:22] <Sync> osha says that the employer is not required to pay for prescription eye protection becuase it is too personal
[06:29:37] <malcom2073> Insurance should cover that
[06:29:43] <jthornton> no, but they will pay for the frames usually
[06:29:50] <Sync> and also for non speciality safety footwear
[06:29:52] <Sync> wat
[06:30:03] <XXCoder> not too worried, if it dont covered I can buy one myself. definitely not buying $500 one or whatever though lol
[06:30:12] <Sync> also not for hair nets and gloves for food workers
[06:30:39] <Sync> yeah they should be around 50$ max if you get a fancy one, defenitely affordable
[06:33:44] <XXCoder> ok
[06:33:56] <XXCoder> I want one that works like glasses
[06:34:01] <XXCoder> not chunky plastic
[08:24:37] <jdh> I wear cheap ines
[08:24:45] <ssi> morn
[08:25:08] <jdh> cheap ones over my glasses
[08:25:59] <Wolf_> morning
[08:26:11] <ssi> I may have a way to go fetch one of those robot arms
[08:26:19] <ssi> unfortunately it looks like I missed the window on spending that money afterall
[08:26:27] <ssi> they're going to mail me a check and I should have it by the end of the month D:
[08:30:40] <Wolf_> I’m going to try to have that Bom stuff straight by next monday
[08:30:59] <ssi> cool, no rush
[08:31:04] <ssi> dunno when we'll have boards
[08:31:11] <malcom2073> http://i.imgur.com/5d9VYET.gif
[08:31:12] <Wolf_> yap
[08:31:55] <ssi> malcom2073: nice render
[08:32:37] <malcom2073> Not mine, I wanna make one
[08:34:46] <ssi> do it
[08:35:25] <malcom2073> I've saved the image off to try once I get my mill done :)
[08:42:42] <Wolf_> yay, I now have too many steppers on order lmao
[08:42:58] <malcom2073> Haha, how many?
[08:42:59] <ssi> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/1472021_10100791805083772_5547941761732204438_n.jpg?oh=35049903caf96ad69e2f2e88bf969a1d&oe=568FD90F
[08:42:59] <malcom2073> I ordered 8
[08:43:24] <Wolf_> 6 + 5+5+1 lmao
[08:43:32] <ssi> seventeen?! :P
[08:43:40] <Wolf_> yeah lol
[08:43:49] <malcom2073> Thanks ssi, it's too early for me to math
[08:44:00] <ssi> lawl
[08:44:01] <Wolf_> some were just for the drivers bundled
[08:44:07] <malcom2073> Haha yeah
[08:45:39] <ssi> put my burner together too
[08:45:39] <ssi> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12109092_10100791876500652_1689031269132211428_n.jpg?oh=0f899b2e1705e89f3e84938bb2d6fc74&oe=569D8390
[08:45:50] <malcom2073> ssi: Nice! whatcha melting?
[08:45:52] <ssi> that's with a junky 1/2psi fixed regulator
[08:45:57] <ssi> I need a 15psi adjustable
[08:46:01] <ssi> malcom2073: anything I can get my hands on :)
[08:46:05] <malcom2073> Nice
[08:49:29] <Wolf_> nema 23 397oz w/ mb450A (6@$9), 17 74oz w/mb450A (5@$11), 23 156oz w/ junk M415A (5@$5.67) and a 23 78oz w/ mb450A for $9
[08:49:46] <ssi> where are you gettingthem so cheap?
[08:50:24] <Wolf_> http://www.walmart.com/search/?query=tasharina%20lathe%20cnc&page=4&cat_id=0&grid=true
[08:51:16] <Wolf_> and http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=1065505567&IsNodeId=1&page=1&bop=And&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&sstore=1&PageSize=90&srchInDesc=mill
[08:52:19] <Wolf_> hehe I should cnc the C2 7x10 :D
[08:58:42] <ssi> Wolf_: so these newegg motors with drivers that are showing out of stock
[08:58:46] <ssi> do they honor that price for backorder?
[08:58:57] <malcom2073> It's a marketplace seller, so I'd assume not
[08:58:57] <Wolf_> I dunno
[08:59:13] <malcom2073> The walmart one showed 5 in stock when I ordered 4 this morning :P
[08:59:14] <Wolf_> just add them to auto notify
[09:00:12] <Wolf_> I got lucky on the 397oz, I checked walmart, did the order on newegg then refreshed the walmart search and poof in stock
[09:45:38] <ganzuul> So they will sell you energy drink concentrate for soda machines, even if you don't have a soda machine.
[09:45:48] * ganzuul emits high energy radiation
[09:50:22] <SpeedEvil> http://rocknrollnerd.github.io/ml/2015/05/27/leopard-sofa.html On machine vision.
[10:28:02] <JT-Shop> got the new gigabyte set up and switched to HexChat
[10:30:04] <CaptHindsight> pull studs at Walmart http://www.walmart.com/ip/BT40-Retention-Knob-Pull-Studs-Tool-Holder-CNC-Drill-Black-Silver-Tone/46512398
[10:30:26] <CaptHindsight> alibaba should just sell through Walmart and get it over with
[10:30:55] <CaptHindsight> call it AliWalEgg
[10:31:28] <CaptHindsight> and Walmart can handle all the returns in person
[10:34:32] <SpeedEvil> 'I want to return this drum of 1-nonylbutadine, because it is in fact 2-nonylbutadine'
[10:34:45] <CaptHindsight> heh
[10:37:10] <CaptHindsight> Bolton lathes and Tormach mills on the Walmart site (sponsored products)
[10:37:39] <anomynous> do they make the knobs lighter by drilling the hole in the middle or why do they do that?
[10:37:45] <anomynous> racing knob
[10:38:08] <archivist> coolant through the tool
[10:39:09] <anomynous> like suck all the liquids back into machine for re-use? ;D
[10:39:42] <anomynous> im tired :<
[10:39:55] <archivist> have you not seen insert type drills with pressure lubricant
[10:40:11] <anomynous> yes and solid carbide drills
[10:40:42] <anomynous> it was just a funny image in my head
[10:40:53] <ganzuul> Regarding manganese nodules on the Abyssal Plain; ~ 30-40% manganese alloys have very high damping characteristics, so the overproduction of Mn when going for the Ni, Cu etc. could be well used as a high-performance replacement for cast iron in machine bases.
[10:40:56] <SpeedEvil> archivist: Now I'm imagining waterjet cutting drills, with 60000PSI cutting fluid through the drill.
[10:41:45] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: If you're trying to recover from the deep ocean seabed to build your mill for cost reasons, you're probably doing it wrong.
[10:43:15] <ganzuul> lol
[10:44:00] <CaptHindsight> Alibaba could have taken over all the Radio Shack stores here and only needed a few giant central warehouses for next day availability of any product
[10:44:23] <SpeedEvil> I think you underestimate how many products there are.
[10:44:48] <CaptHindsight> 6 hour radius by truck
[10:45:36] <SpeedEvil> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Photoinitiator-819-and-other-photoinitiator-compound_60285000031.html?spm=a2700.7724838.38.17.hLLpfu - I need to get some of.
[10:45:39] <CaptHindsight> just warehouse the top 1k products
[10:50:48] <archivist> top n products is a huge mistake distributors make
[10:51:35] <SpeedEvil> archivist: that depends.
[10:51:43] <SpeedEvil> On n and f(n)
[10:51:52] <CaptHindsight> that's what Walmart, Target etc do for consumer items
[10:51:53] <SpeedEvil> Some disties have no f(n) clue.
[10:52:41] <CaptHindsight> Fastenal is similar with industrial supplies
[10:52:49] <archivist> not really, try going to buy something simple at a counter, we can get it nest day...ffs I would not have driven 20 miles to get nothing!
[10:52:55] <CaptHindsight> zillion stores and few central warehouses
[10:53:31] <archivist> makes "local" distribution stupid
[10:55:04] <anomynous> naw. Local distribution is the cool thing. You just have to be the first to deploy autonomous electric delivery mopeds.
[10:55:07] <anomynous> :]
[10:55:16] <CaptHindsight> I often have to drive to more than more than one Walmart, Ace, Home Depot since they are most often out of whatever I want at the first one I drive to
[10:55:21] <SpeedEvil> archivist: combined with an app, and some nice way of finding things, that may work
[10:55:27] <archivist> so now for local V belts I go to a motor parts store not the engineering store
[10:55:38] <CaptHindsight> - a more or two
[10:56:41] <archivist> Maplin only stock ones and twos of items, screwed if you want three for a project
[10:57:25] <SpeedEvil> archivist: I looked at maplin a while back
[10:57:26] <CaptHindsight> consumer products and industrial products are two very different markets
[10:57:32] <SpeedEvil> they had _one_ thyristor. :(
[10:57:42] <SpeedEvil> (type of, in the catalog)
[10:58:11] <CaptHindsight> most consumers walk in a buy what is in front of them, what is marketed to them (tell me what to buy)
[10:58:49] <SpeedEvil> I may be wierd.
[10:58:55] <SpeedEvil> I buy all my groceries online.
[10:59:32] <archivist> I go to multiple places looking where the deals are this week on usual stuff
[11:01:10] <archivist> top n comes from poor cost accountants who forget you never return to the store when you hit an empty shelf
[11:03:08] <malcom2073> *you* never return, but their primary customers, brainless sheep, do
[11:03:31] <archivist> nope, often the place shuts down later
[11:04:37] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/dFECB
[11:07:47] <Wolf_> yay, got one of my 48v psu in
[11:16:52] <CaptHindsight> most people just drive to the next Walmart, Target, Dress Barn, etc when the shelf is empty
[11:17:23] <CaptHindsight> or get a substitute
[11:19:47] <t12> solidworks simulation exagurated distortion looks so funny
[11:23:04] <malcom2073> Haha yeah it does, I love it
[11:24:47] <t12> like nope you made that out of noodles
[11:29:07] <malcom2073> Steel? Psh, pasta.
[11:29:24] <ganzuul> Stainless steel is weird.
[11:29:41] <ganzuul> It has low thermal conductivity, compared to e.g. cast iron.
[11:30:21] <t12> yeah its either great or terrible depending
[11:31:04] <anomynous> why does it make so much heat when machined?
[11:31:24] <malcom2073> Same reason why indian rug burns hurt
[11:31:28] <malcom2073> Friction sucks
[11:32:12] <anomynous> so jellysteel bounces back to rub on cutter after dodging cutting edge? ;D
[11:32:15] <ganzuul> It also has high damping characteristics.
[11:32:28] <malcom2073> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRuSYQ5Npek
[11:32:32] <malcom2073> Because cutting is actually bending
[11:32:38] <ganzuul> Meaning it heats up from vibration.
[11:33:27] <malcom2073> And yeah, tool rub
[11:35:06] <anomynous> i heard they used to make all aluminium vises and they are terribly inaccurate
[11:45:57] <anomynous> devnull is soon filling up from my monologue ;D
[11:46:35] <anomynous> i tried to fill it from /dev/random but it never fills up
[11:46:48] <anomynous> its an upgraded version from the windows trash can?
[11:50:27] <fenn> try staring at a lava lamp, i hear that helps
[11:59:54] <anomynous> what an excellent idea
[11:59:56] <anomynous> thank you fenn
[11:59:59] <anomynous> hmm
[12:00:04] <anomynous> where to get lava lamp at this time
[12:00:08] <anomynous> *think think*
[12:03:44] <SpeedEvil> DIY!
[12:03:56] <SpeedEvil> Diamond case, rock, oxy-ac torch.
[12:08:50] <JT-Shop> got the new gigabyte set up and switched to HexChat
[12:11:42] <SpeedEvil> Diddn't you do that yesterday?
[12:15:22] <anomynous> SpeedEvil, i was thinking of a lamp inside a tall glass and chewing gum
[12:15:25] <anomynous> but but
[12:15:30] <anomynous> theyre all energy saving now
[12:19:25] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY4qg7nIS-w - glitter lamp
[12:32:00] <lair82> Hey guys, working on the other machine I'm retrofitting, rying toget it switched over to uspace, an I keep getting faults. Whe I run "sudo apt-get update" I get, Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy/main Translation-en Err http://linuxcnc.org base/2.7-uspace Sources 404 Not Found Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy/non-free Translation-en Err http://linuxcnc.org base/2.7-uspace i3
[12:32:26] <cradek> try pastebin
[12:32:36] <cradek> those about translation are expected
[12:32:39] <cradek> the rest, can't tell
[12:33:13] <lair82> http://pastebin.com/GHcJkRvu
[12:33:44] <cradek> wheezy/dists/base/2.7-uspace is a wrong path
[12:33:50] <cradek> check your sources carefully
[12:34:59] <lair82> http://postimg.org/image/wxv2wh897/
[12:35:58] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_installing_on_debian_wheezy_and_debian_jessie_with_preempt_rt_kernel
[12:36:17] <cradek> I think you typed http://linuxcnc.org/wheezy into some field, and that is wrong
[12:36:46] <cradek> I am not exactly sure how you convince synaptic to write the right sources line, but you can experiment and then check what it writes
[12:39:35] <lair82> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/pdf/LinuxCNC_Getting_Started.pdf this is where I copied and pasted from
[12:40:17] <lair82> Typo in the line regarding this on that pdf
[12:42:42] <lair82> Now it's working
[12:43:56] <lair82> cradek is that right about that typo/
[12:45:54] <lair82> Need to restart this pc, be back in a few
[12:47:49] <lair82_> I'm back
[12:53:04] <JT-Shop> run for your life!
[12:54:03] <JT-Shop> hmmm for some reason my mouse is real slow
[12:54:57] <SpeedEvil> JT-Shop: Feed it some meth.
[12:55:55] <JT-Shop> lol
[12:57:39] <spline> heh
[12:58:39] <JT-Shop> switching to a USB3 port fixed it
[12:59:49] <SpeedEvil> USB3 is faster.
[13:00:21] <SpeedEvil> USB2 only supports slow mice.
[13:35:35] <cradek> huh, that sure does look different in the pdf vs the website
[13:36:24] <JT-Shop> what looks different?
[13:36:39] <cradek> lair82> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/pdf/LinuxCNC_Getting_Started.pdf this is where I copied and pasted from
[13:37:05] <cradek> look at section 3.7.1 "Add a new apt source that looks like this:" and there is not a space before wheezy or jessie in that line
[13:37:13] <furrywolf> I'll need to RTFM on mesa setup if they ever get 7i76es done... never set one up before. :)
[13:37:41] <cradek> compare to here: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_installing_on_debian_wheezy_and_debian_jessie_with_preempt_rt_kernel
[13:37:47] <cradek> where the spaces show up correctly
[13:38:10] <furrywolf> you generate the pdf from the html, right?
[13:38:16] <cradek> sorta
[13:38:22] <cradek> more like they have a common source
[13:38:36] <furrywolf> ah, hrmm.
[13:38:46] <furrywolf> I was going to suggest just declaring the html to be the official version. :)
[13:38:56] <cradek> thanks for your help!
[13:41:43] * furrywolf goes back to eating breakfast, being not able to help
[13:41:51] <JT-Shop> copy and paste have the same results, the text / has different widths I thik
[13:42:06] <cradek> if you copy from the pdf a space appears?
[13:42:22] <JT-Shop> yes
[13:42:47] <JT-Shop> good luck trying to copy from the pdf in PDF Viewer 0.1.8
[13:42:53] <cradek> not in evince
[13:42:57] <cradek> deb http://linuxcnc.org/wheezy base 2.
[13:43:02] <cradek> ...
[13:43:16] <cradek> tp://linuxcnc.org/jessie base
[13:43:29] <JT-Shop> I'll go look at the docs to see what is up
[13:43:36] <cradek> nope nope I don't get spaces
[13:43:47] <cradek> thanks JT-Shop
[13:49:13] <ganzuul> what even is bronze ¯\(º_o)/¯
[13:49:30] <ganzuul> is it anti-sharpness?
[13:49:58] <ganzuul> is it hate in material form?
[13:50:15] <cradek> metallic glue
[13:50:22] <cradek> shiny glue
[13:50:40] <ganzuul> It disintegrates into this annoying sand-like substance.
[13:51:26] <ganzuul> derp, brass
[13:52:26] <cradek> but brass is the easiest
[13:52:36] <cradek> are you doing something wrong? if so, stop doing that
[13:53:38] <ganzuul> yes
[13:53:42] <ganzuul> this is wise
[13:54:19] <ganzuul> Dunno... Whole machine started vibrating for no appearant reason in the middle of the cut.
[13:54:35] <ganzuul> Dug the tool bit in like hell.
[13:54:46] <ganzuul> Maybe I should run it in reverse all the time...
[13:54:47] <Wolf_> thats a sieg feature
[13:54:49] <cradek> lathe?
[13:54:55] <ganzuul> yes
[13:55:01] <furrywolf> I turned some sintered bronze bushings recently... I found a HSS cutter with a LOT of rake to work best. yes, it makes sand, not chips.
[13:55:11] <cradek> work turned small enough to get bendy?
[13:55:26] <ganzuul> furrywolf: Very, very sharp?
[13:55:42] <furrywolf> for about 30 seconds at a time, yes. :P
[13:56:09] <ganzuul> cradek: No, it's 80mm in dia rod. About 25cm long. got it supported with a dead center in the tailstock and a lot of EP lube
[13:56:11] <furrywolf> frequent regrinding needed
[13:56:22] <cradek> huh
[13:56:30] <ganzuul> huh +1
[13:56:31] <cradek> about what surface speed?
[13:56:35] <lair82> cradek, what did you come up with? I read back and saw you and jt were conversing on the pdf issue.
[13:57:03] <cradek> jt's going to try to figure it out. not sure what's causing it yet, but it's definitely different in pdf vs html
[13:57:28] <ganzuul> 418.87902 mm/second
[13:57:41] <lair82> Ok, I will just hit the html from now on.
[13:57:41] <furrywolf> my sintered bronze is probably different from your solid piece, so what I found probably doesn't apply. I found a LOT of rake to be useful. like, way more than anything else I've cut.
[13:57:59] <cradek> that's 82 sfm. crank that rpm up about 3x higher
[13:58:12] <cradek> you must be turning super slow
[13:58:39] <ganzuul> It was stable at that slow speed. higher made it weird.
[13:58:43] <cradek> heh
[13:59:08] <ganzuul> I should be getting a wider saddle tomorrow, so it should be more rigid.
[14:00:03] <ganzuul> BTW this was with a vertical shear tool.
[14:00:17] <ganzuul> Trying to get a nice finish.
[14:00:44] <cradek> I don't know what that is
[14:00:52] <ganzuul> Some Soviet brazed carbide bits thatI sharpened with diamond worked fine.
[14:01:04] <cradek> you mean parting tool?
[14:01:14] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUcyHenjkew
[14:01:17] <ganzuul> Newp.
[14:01:19] <ganzuul> This
[14:01:59] <ganzuul> And I'd swear digging in was exactly what it did.
[14:02:34] <cradek> weird, I've never seen that shape
[14:02:58] <ganzuul> The same bit with the same angles worked very nicely on 6061.
[14:09:08] * furrywolf keeps waiting for it to load to see what it is
[14:13:13] <ganzuul> huh
[14:13:18] <ganzuul> refresh?
[14:13:19] <furrywolf> argh... three minutes in and it's still just a guy blabbering at pointing at a sheet of paper! this should be written, not video!!
[14:13:38] <ssi> lolol
[14:14:05] <furrywolf> looks like just a 0 degree rake tool.
[14:14:30] <furrywolf> refresh? so I can wait for the first three minutes to download again?
[14:14:55] <malcom2073> I almost expected this guy to have videos about free energy and HHO too
[14:16:56] <ganzuul> oh?
[14:17:08] <furrywolf> that tool is basically the exact opposite of what worked best on the bronze I cut. but, your solid bronze may be different than the sintered I was cutting.
[14:17:34] <ssi> vertical shearing is drastically different than traditional lathetool geometry
[14:17:34] <cradek> I think he said it's brass
[14:17:52] <cradek> yeah I have no experience with that kind of cutting
[14:18:16] <furrywolf> 0 rake, negative relief. :P
[14:18:26] <furrywolf> side relief
[14:18:37] <ganzuul> It's the same thing that the side of an endmill does.
[14:19:14] <furrywolf> I'm sure he said bronze...
[14:19:24] * ssi is sure he said both
[14:19:38] <ganzuul> brass
[14:19:59] <ganzuul> I said bronze but I lied.
[14:20:24] <furrywolf> lol
[14:20:31] <furrywolf> how are you having problems cutting brass? :P
[14:20:40] <furrywolf> stop using a weird tool and just grab something out of the toolbox.
[14:21:45] <cradek> yeah, you can cut brass successfully with a straight blade screwdriver mounted to the toolpost
[14:21:52] <cradek> or a butterknife
[14:21:57] <furrywolf> lol
[14:22:24] <furrywolf> that vertical shear tool looks to me like it'll try smearing and galling not cutting in brass.
[14:23:56] <furrywolf> day before yesterday I got my new harbor freight lathe running... soaked the whole thing in a can of wd40 to loosen up the stupidly thick layer of yelow chinese grease that had everything stuck in place.
[14:25:39] <ssi> WD40 is amazing on cosmoline
[14:25:42] <ssi> it RUNS off
[14:28:55] <furrywolf> I really want the clausing lathe on craigslist, but he doesn't seem to want to go down into my price range or take trades.
[14:30:31] <ganzuul> I think I got what the issue is.
[14:30:44] <ganzuul> This lathe should not really use a tailstock.
[14:30:47] <furrywolf> you're using a weird tool?
[14:31:11] <ganzuul> I can take a hold of both ends of the lathe and twist it to adjust the depth of cut.
[14:31:30] <ssi> the tailstock isn't the problem
[14:31:42] <ssi> the rigidity of the lathe is the problem
[14:31:42] <ganzuul> yup
[14:31:57] <ganzuul> I should get something to bolt it down to.
[14:32:39] <ssi> bolt it down, level it, then do the two collars test to check your bed twist
[14:32:40] <furrywolf> I could bolt my new lathe to the table on my mill. :)
[14:32:54] <ganzuul> :p
[14:33:15] <furrywolf> it covers a third of the table. I need a bigger lathe. :)
[14:33:23] <ganzuul> I could get a hold of a table like that, but I have little ability to transport it.
[14:33:29] <ssi> whoa someone built another sonex jet
[14:33:30] <ssi> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/12140988_1192412230772853_7191224737799543045_o.jpg
[14:34:24] <furrywolf> what the heck is that? lol
[14:34:34] <ssi> they call it the 'sub-sonex'
[14:34:34] <ssi> haha
[14:34:54] <furrywolf> it looks too small
[14:34:59] <ssi> too small for what? :)
[14:34:59] <furrywolf> midget-only seating
[14:35:30] <ssi> obviously you're not familiar with the cri-cri :D
[14:35:30] <ssi> http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/attachments/hangar-flying/6927d1277160404-eads-builds-all-electric-cri-cri-p1011070.jpg
[14:35:52] <ssi> or even better, the cri-cri jet! http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/cricri/cricri-jet.jpg
[14:36:05] <furrywolf> lol
[14:36:23] <ssi> I want a set of cricri plans but the guy won't sell them to americans cause he thinks we're too litigious
[14:36:26] <ssi> not that he's wrong! :(
[14:36:36] <furrywolf> will it actually stay in level flight with one engine? :P
[14:36:38] <ssi> yep
[14:36:44] <ssi> whoa
[14:36:44] <ssi> http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2010/06/4af0e222-ad8e-4bd5-8323-e845ce96802f.Full_.jpg
[14:36:47] <ssi> four engine electric cricri
[14:36:55] <ssi> s/engine/motor :P
[14:37:14] <SpeedEvil> cricri is awesome
[14:37:22] <ssi> SpeedEvil: yesss
[14:37:28] <furrywolf> or it's two motors that let the stator spin as well as the rotor. :P
[14:37:32] <ssi> I need one of our european friends to order me a set of plans and send them to me
[14:37:36] * furrywolf has seen a video of a motor like that once
[14:37:38] <ssi> furrywolf: what would it mount to?
[14:37:50] <SpeedEvil> ssi: probably cheaper just to post a cricri
[14:37:52] <furrywolf> lots of bearings.
[14:38:21] <ssi> SpeedEvil: nahhhh
[14:38:21] <Sync> oh god
[14:38:25] <Sync> that thing seems very yolo
[14:38:31] <furrywolf> yolo?
[14:38:42] <SpeedEvil> reportedly the cricri is sane to fly
[14:38:43] <ssi> Sync: everything I do is very yolo, but anyone that uses that word around me gets a punch in the throat :D
[14:38:57] <Sync> pfft
[14:39:02] <ssi> heheh
[14:39:11] <Sync> even ghandi said yoloswag4jesus
[14:39:54] * furrywolf googles yolo
[14:39:54] <ssi> I'd love to build one but I don't think my fat ass would be comfortable in it
[14:40:18] <Sync> make your fat ass a thin ass
[14:40:32] <ssi> would that it were so easy :'(
[14:40:46] <furrywolf> "If you are over 25, YOLO likely means nothing to you. If you are under 25, you may be so familiar with YOLO that you’re already completely sick of it."
[14:40:58] <ssi> furrywolf: I guess you're over 25 :P
[14:41:20] <furrywolf> start jogging and cycling instead of flying everywhere. :P
[14:41:40] <ssi> if I jogged to the places I normally fly, I'd still be on my way
[14:41:48] <furrywolf> and nice and skinny!
[14:41:53] <ssi> indeed
[14:43:53] <ssi> found the plans on scribd
[14:43:56] <ssi> http://www.scribd.com/doc/222591707/MC15-Cri-Cri-Plans-Binder#scribd
[14:44:13] <ssi> hate that you can't download shit from there without paying them
[14:44:52] <ssi> anymay hometime
[14:48:23] <furrywolf> bbl too
[14:50:12] <Sync> ssi: you'd probably explode around me
[14:50:31] <Sync> I forcememe yolo at every opportunity
[15:02:42] <MacGalempsy> good afternoon
[15:02:52] <ganzuul> hello
[15:03:17] <MacGalempsy> must have been tired, I left here last night around 0900 and just got up about an hour ago
[15:03:40] <MacGalempsy> i mean 2100
[15:03:49] <ganzuul> :o
[15:04:06] <MacGalempsy> yeah! its 1440 now!
[15:09:28] <MacGalempsy> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34475158
[15:09:42] <MacGalempsy> I wonder if it would take down a private plane
[15:11:54] <SpeedEvil> It's just a jammer.
[15:12:07] <SpeedEvil> If there is a pilot ... no
[15:12:26] <SpeedEvil> If the device has GPS and RTB, and they're not jamming GPS - no.
[15:12:34] <SpeedEvil> if it has INS, no.
[15:25:05] <MacGalempsy> how can then knock down an autonomous drone if they are not jamming GPS?
[15:29:59] <SpeedEvil> they're possibly using 'drone' in the sense of 'toy RC quadcopter'
[15:30:11] <SpeedEvil> Which fairly often don't have RTB
[15:30:37] <XXCoder> it would be basic RC jammer then
[15:33:03] <SpeedEvil> it's got a directional antenna on it!
[15:33:53] <SpeedEvil> Also it costs $10K, not $10 that you get the parts from on ebay before putting it in a pipe and painting it camo
[15:34:34] <malcom2073> It's all in the marketing
[15:34:44] <malcom2073> I should kickstarter an auto-tracking RC jammer
[15:34:46] <XXCoder> interesting
[15:35:14] <MacGalempsy> so my solution is to make the drone fly 3ft off the ground
[15:35:14] <CaptHindsight> anti-auto-tracking RC jammer
[15:35:32] <SpeedEvil> high performance drone with a net.
[15:35:39] <MacGalempsy> well, hug as close as possible
[15:35:47] <XXCoder> anti-anti-auto-tracking jammer
[15:35:58] <MacGalempsy> lol
[15:38:12] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/_nzKPtQOzCg?t=1m59s look at the size of these RC planes
[15:40:00] <malcom2073> 1/4 people are nutters
[15:40:06] <malcom2073> 1/4 scale
[15:40:11] <CaptHindsight> what would a RC jammer really be good for?
[15:40:57] <malcom2073> Making RC planes fall out of the sky
[15:41:06] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: making people try more than once to get footage.
[15:41:12] <CaptHindsight> what happens when the RC craft starts out out of range of the RC jammer and then crashes after reaching the jam zone?
[15:41:27] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: They have to buy another drone
[15:41:36] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: if you can track the thing going back and forth trying to get good pics, it's going to be easier to find the controller than if it' goes normally
[15:42:32] <CaptHindsight> stop letting stupid people run things
[15:42:41] <malcom2073> Run what?
[15:42:51] <CaptHindsight> guberment for one
[15:43:00] <malcom2073> Well that's never gonna happen, nobody sane ever wants to be in charge
[15:43:04] <SpeedEvil> Some uses of drones aren't OK.
[15:43:18] <SpeedEvil> There are retards out there that actually put people at risk.
[15:43:33] <CaptHindsight> those are called CEO's
[15:45:02] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: like Martin Shkreli
[15:46:16] <Connor> That 1/4 Jet could be a freaking Airforce Drone is so large.
[15:47:16] <Wolf_> probably almost costs as much too
[15:47:52] <Wolf_> $12k probably in engines on that model (guessing)
[15:47:52] <Connor> You can't tell in the air that it's a model.
[15:48:40] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: Flying heavy drones over crowds that certainly will badly hurt or kill people if they fail, IMO should be regulated.
[15:49:00] <malcom2073> More goverment!
[15:49:30] <Wolf_> just make it legal to beat the crap out of people doing dumb things
[15:49:31] <malcom2073> Also, it is regulated.
[15:49:36] <SpeedEvil> Much like discharging weapons into the air is regulated.
[15:49:47] <ganzuul> Could be common sense regs, like not using gasoline.
[15:49:48] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: never said either way, but there should be nicely defined line as I don't want to register my inch big quadcoper (there is ones that tiny)
[15:50:00] <CaptHindsight> there is another video of a mid air collision between to RC planes with a few foot wingspan
[15:50:17] <SpeedEvil> Yes. If you're happy to fly it into your head, then it's not an issue.
[15:50:42] <malcom2073> What's wrong with gasoline RC aircraft?
[15:50:58] <CaptHindsight> well maybe only 2 ft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkca5pIEC6k
[15:50:59] <malcom2073> They're just as safe/unsafe as electric or nitro
[15:51:00] <Wolf_> should be common sense to not fly somethgin like http://i.imgur.com/QO0HrkT.jpg over a crowd of people
[15:51:06] <ganzuul> Flammable. Mets steel beams.
[15:51:10] <ganzuul> ~melts
[15:51:38] <malcom2073> I've been near a rather large RC gasoline plane that flew into the ground at 80+mph, there was no fireball
[15:51:41] <malcom2073> There was no fire for that matter
[15:51:42] <ganzuul> IIRC there are JP formulations which are not normally flammable.
[15:51:42] <SpeedEvil> Wolf_: Should be, yes
[15:51:58] <XXCoder> I hate "SUB PLZ!!!!!" boxes in video
[15:51:59] <malcom2073> They don't carry gallons of fuel you know
[15:53:48] <ganzuul> I want an RC model of the British Skylon/Reaction Engines
[15:54:01] <ganzuul> Preferably nuclear powered.
[15:54:19] <ganzuul> With indefinite loitering ability.
[15:54:39] <malcom2073> And I want a toilet made of gold
[15:54:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.firefox-fx.com/rocketry.htm can you combine RC with rocketry?
[15:55:06] <CaptHindsight> or fireworks?
[15:55:55] <malcom2073> Not if you want to be covered by the AMA
[15:56:20] <XXCoder> otherwise.. of course you can! lol
[15:56:39] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sjFIB1L3BPU#t=95 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gPGFaXqzitc#t=86 - full size can be too like models
[15:58:26] <ganzuul> That pilot makes me angry...
[15:59:25] <chris_99> Estes used to sell rocket powered RC gliders, not sure if they still do
[15:59:31] <SpeedEvil> The second has a decent excuse.
[15:59:44] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: they do
[15:59:49] <chris_99> cool
[16:00:04] <SpeedEvil> http://www.modelrockets.co.uk/shop/klima-model-rocket-motors/d3-six-pack-18mm-rocket-glider-motor-p-3311.html?osCsid=011abd6cf08154e223f8c8d3610aca04
[16:00:51] <MrSunshine> gah i need to find a swedish translation of "regenerative blower" :/
[16:03:01] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: was miliary shooting at plane?
[16:03:06] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: No.
[16:03:15] <SpeedEvil> (in neither case)
[16:03:39] <MrSunshine> yey found it
[16:03:52] <ganzuul> MrSunshine: What is it?
[16:03:59] <MrSunshine> "sidokanalfläkt"
[16:04:12] <MrSunshine> now to find a price ...
[16:04:29] <ganzuul> Is that a supercharger?
[16:04:58] <MrSunshine> https://www.google.se/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&client=ubuntu&q=regenerative%20blower&oq=regenerative%20blower&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l3j69i60j0l2.3354j0j4
[16:07:20] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: AMA? Amerikan Model Association?
[16:07:25] <ganzuul> Them's some sweet properties.
[16:08:22] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: yeah, it's a USA thing
[16:08:34] <ganzuul> Could maybe power through a laminar flow filter to stop turbulence noise.
[16:11:38] <aventtini6> hello guysss
[16:12:47] <XXCoder> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poIH2E0PtrY
[16:14:10] <aventtini6> first mill part
[16:14:13] <aventtini6> :))
[16:14:14] <aventtini6> https://youtu.be/P8_hKA4cGGc
[16:14:56] <aventtini6> AOE
[16:15:00] <aventtini6> :D
[16:15:03] <aventtini6> good
[16:20:48] <aventtini6> guys there is any way that the machine can not use g1 and g3?
[16:21:07] <aventtini6> its slowing down really much
[16:21:20] <XXCoder> g1 is standard cutting, set by f (feed rate)
[16:22:18] <aventtini6> feed was 100%
[16:22:31] <XXCoder> no, look in g code
[16:22:32] <aventtini6> in streight line it was going 1500mm
[16:22:54] <aventtini6> in corner it slowing down bad
[16:23:09] <aventtini6> im sure it was g3 and possible g2
[16:23:22] <aventtini6> look on my video
[16:23:23] <XXCoder> g2 and g3 is same thing, just CW and CCW
[16:24:09] <aventtini6> maybe from postprovesor
[16:24:32] <XXCoder> possibly
[16:24:40] <XXCoder> you know how to read gcode?
[16:24:50] <aventtini6> yes
[16:24:51] <XXCoder> if so, it may be possible to adjust feedrate
[16:25:04] <XXCoder> of course, carefully as usual. :)
[16:25:05] <aventtini6> i will test it
[16:25:08] <aventtini6> sure
[16:25:20] <aventtini6> i test 1mm in 800mm
[16:25:30] <aventtini6> it was going like a racket
[16:25:33] <aventtini6> :))
[16:25:44] <XXCoder> lol
[16:27:35] <aventtini6> still learning the z+ is minus
[16:27:39] <aventtini6> :)))
[16:27:48] <XXCoder> most machines I run, going down is negative
[16:28:22] <Wolf_> ^ thats how I code my stuff
[16:28:33] <aventtini6> i have 3 in normal mode
[16:28:46] <aventtini6> and mickron oposite
[16:28:48] <aventtini6> :)))
[16:28:54] <Wolf_> but that is really a cam issue :P
[16:29:15] <aventtini6> :))
[16:29:36] <aventtini6> tomorow i start working on the philips scales
[16:29:37] <aventtini6> :D
[16:30:17] <Wolf_> I need to cad up more parts and do more milling to get my machine ready to run
[16:30:32] <aventtini6> :)))
[16:30:40] <Wolf_> no rush tho cause I’m stuck waiting on parts from china...
[16:30:49] <aventtini6> i have 3 more to convert
[16:30:52] <aventtini6> :))
[16:30:56] <aventtini6> me to
[16:30:59] <aventtini6> 4 mpg
[16:31:08] <aventtini6> still on way
[16:31:12] <aventtini6> 2 weeks
[16:31:23] <XXCoder> Wolf_: it seems to me that NORMAL status here is waiting for parts from china lol
[16:31:29] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/OeR3fzr.jpg least its starting to look like something
[16:31:34] <Wolf_> yeah XXCoder
[16:31:39] <XXCoder> I know good percent of my time waiting was waiting for parts from china lol
[16:32:13] <aventtini6> i got some er8 cottlets
[16:32:42] <Sync> aventtini6: I have looked into the philips scales
[16:32:45] <aventtini6> on the endmill price is good but they ripoff you on shipping
[16:32:49] <aventtini6> yes
[16:32:52] <Sync> doing it without dedicated hardware will be annoying
[16:32:53] <Deejay> gn8
[16:33:11] <aventtini6> they are 4 wires as signal and one gnd
[16:33:14] <PetefromTn_> Well crap!
[16:33:18] <XXCoder> right now im waiting for my 8020 special nuts so I can mount stuff into my cnc router.
[16:33:22] <XXCoder> then.. cutting time!
[16:33:25] <PetefromTn_> I am kinda pissed here
[16:33:26] <aventtini6> i will hookthem up to a HH
[16:33:35] <Sync> that's not going to work at all
[16:33:42] <PetefromTn_> I ordered a nice parlec arbor for my new face mill from ebay
[16:34:00] <aventtini6> they are sin
[16:34:10] <PetefromTn_> after I bought it I received a message that said they made a mistake and the one they had is a CAT50 model and not a CAT40 model
[16:34:17] <aventtini6> only they dont have index
[16:34:25] <PetefromTn_> they asked me if I was okay with gettign another one in CAT40 just like it
[16:34:26] <Wolf_> doh pete
[16:34:28] <PetefromTn_> I agreed
[16:34:35] <PetefromTn_> just received it
[16:34:38] <PetefromTn_> opened the box
[16:35:04] <PetefromTn_> and the damn thing instead of having a nice wide head locking screw like the one I purchased in the ebay action
[16:35:14] <PetefromTn_> has a smaller diameter SHCS
[16:35:20] <PetefromTn_> so it is basically useless to me
[16:35:36] <Sync> well, they output a sine aventtini6, but not a cosine
[16:35:39] <XXCoder> jeez
[16:35:41] <PetefromTn_> I ASKED them to first send me a picture of the different arbor they were wanting to send me
[16:35:43] <Sync> also you need the drive clock
[16:35:50] <Sync> and the reset signal
[16:35:58] <PetefromTn_> before they ship it
[16:36:11] <PetefromTn_> they did not send me a picture and just shipped it anyway
[16:36:18] <PetefromTn_> so I am screwed here...
[16:36:29] <aventtini6> how much did you send time on them?
[16:36:42] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: chargeback?
[16:37:07] <XXCoder> do site has "part not as discribed"?
[16:37:19] <PetefromTn_> I just contacted them to see what they are willing to do
[16:37:38] <PetefromTn_> before I try to give negative feedback
[16:37:44] <Connor> PetefromTn_: What are you getting?
[16:37:51] <XXCoder> gonna run later
[16:37:54] <PetefromTn_> already got it
[16:37:59] <PetefromTn_> its not what I wanted
[16:38:08] <Connor> What was it you was expecting? :)
[16:38:13] <Connor> CAT40 what ?
[16:38:29] <PetefromTn_> I ordered a CAT40 arbor for my brand new Maritool Facemill
[16:38:33] <Connor> Ah.
[16:38:39] <aventtini6> i will post the shematics
[16:38:42] <aventtini6> schematics
[16:38:44] <PetefromTn_> and the one I ordered had a picture that would work
[16:38:49] <aventtini6> tomorow im getting them
[16:39:02] <PetefromTn_> they screwed up their auction and asked me if I would accept another one just like it
[16:39:28] <PetefromTn_> I asked them to send me a picture of the item
[16:39:36] <PetefromTn_> they did not send a picture just shipped it
[16:40:03] <PetefromTn_> so I would have rejected it due to the smaller diameter screw that will not hold the facemill on it
[16:40:14] <MacGalempsy> that mid air collisions sucks!
[16:40:15] <PetefromTn_> the auction I bought had the larger diameter screw
[16:40:21] <PetefromTn_> what mid air collision?
[16:40:37] <MacGalempsy> the youtube jet drone
[16:40:39] <Sync> aventtini6: the schematics are not important, they already float around the internet
[16:40:40] <MacGalempsy> video
[16:43:25] <PetefromTn_> missed it
[16:44:43] <Sync> hmm, somehow my 7i80 doesn't really do what I expect it to do, it does not configure like I want tell it to
[16:59:10] <Sync> huh what, I reflashed the thing and now I'm getting invalid IDROM PortWidth 24 errors
[17:17:18] <Sync> ah shit, I was dumb
[17:20:02] <SpeedEvil> As long as it diddn't kill stuff, you learned something :)
[17:20:17] <SpeedEvil> Now you will never, ever be dumb again!
[17:20:55] <Sync> I only glanced at the filenames and flashed a 7i80hd instead of 7i80db bitfile
[17:21:56] * ganzuul wants to spark test PetefromTn_'s brand new Maritool Facemill...
[17:22:26] <PetefromTn_> ganzuul is not going to be touching PetefromTn's facemill ;)
[17:25:45] <MacGalempsy> well this dang y axis is super stiff. anyone know how to loosen up a ballscrew?
[17:26:03] <PetefromTn_> define stiff
[17:28:05] <Wolf_> could anneal it, should be nice and loose after
[17:29:00] <SpeedEvil> naah. just slop on some 400 grit SiC and then wash it off after a couple of strokes
[17:31:27] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: I pulled the motor off and i can barely move the table by hand
[17:31:40] <MacGalempsy> the x axis moves pretty easy back and forth
[17:31:49] <MacGalempsy> i am greasing is now to see what happens
[17:31:49] <PetefromTn_> never saw a ballscrew that was anything less than slick and smooth
[17:32:32] <MacGalempsy> now it is a little better
[17:32:37] <MacGalempsy> it could be the slides,
[17:36:22] <Connor> MacGalempsy: Where did you get the ballscrew ?
[17:37:11] <Connor> If it's a Chinese C7, it could be the white wipers.. Grit in the circuit, or a ball out of the circuit.
[17:37:25] <MacGalempsy> came on the machine which is USA everything
[17:37:33] <MacGalempsy> wonder if something is bent
[17:37:44] <Connor> Bent won't cause it to be stiff normally..
[17:37:59] <Connor> unless it's mounted
[17:38:01] <Wolf_> end bearing could be crusty
[17:38:06] <Connor> What is the machine?
[17:38:22] <Connor> Could be too much preload.
[17:38:30] <Connor> on the ballscrew itself, OR the AC bearings
[17:38:46] <Connor> bent screw could causing binding...
[17:39:04] <Connor> but that normally only happens in specific areas of travel.
[17:39:19] <MacGalempsy> it is tight across the spectrum
[17:39:25] <Sync> some are like that
[17:39:39] <Connor> okay, so, I'm thinking preload
[17:39:41] <MacGalempsy> the x and z are really good, I can move by hand
[17:39:48] <Connor> and it might suppose to be that way.
[17:39:51] <MacGalempsy> anyways, I got to go toclass
[17:40:03] <MacGalempsy> will catch everyone after 10!
[17:44:05] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, send the holder back to them
[17:44:12] <Tom_itx> with postage due
[17:45:23] <Wolf_> or tell them you are going to open a paypal dispute for item not as described
[17:46:02] <Tom_itx> i would definitely do that.. the buyer ALWAYS wins those
[17:46:15] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't even tell em
[17:46:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have dealt with issues like this before on ebau
[17:46:48] <Contract_Pilot> wow, got a package today and wow!! it was busted open and taped up.
[17:46:50] <PetefromTn_> ebay
[17:47:11] <PetefromTn_> I will just wait to hear from the seller to see what they offer to do about it.
[17:47:24] <PetefromTn_> what sucks is I needed to get started on these flanges with this thing
[17:47:29] <Tom_itx> did you find another holder in the mean time?
[17:47:36] <PetefromTn_> I did receive the brand new inserts today in the mail tho
[17:47:39] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, did you see how to make the file open dialog any size and place you want?
[17:48:03] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, was that the post in the devel channel?
[17:48:03] <PetefromTn_> No I have not found another holder yet I gotta see what they are going to do
[17:48:13] * JT-Shop got everything from Maritool
[17:48:25] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, on the forum I posted it
[17:48:27] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop no I have not yet done that
[17:48:31] <Tom_itx> oh
[17:48:35] <PetefromTn_> been working a LOT lately
[17:48:38] <Tom_itx> someone else posted something on that too
[17:48:41] <Tom_itx> earlier
[17:48:58] <PetefromTn_> its kind of stupid that it does not open in at least ALMOST full screen
[17:49:00] <Tom_itx> i don't get on the forum
[17:49:22] <JT-Shop> you have to remember how the GUI's evolved
[17:50:06] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop I would have bought the holder from Maritool but their price on it was twice what I paid for this one. It is not like the one I got is not a quality unit just different than what I ordered.
[17:50:16] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/21-axis/29735-axis-modifications
[17:50:23] <PetefromTn_> tried to get all of it for less than 3 bills
[17:50:37] <JT-Shop> I understand
[17:50:49] <JT-Shop> anyway did you fix your file open dialog?
[17:51:06] <PetefromTn_> no I just said I have not had time
[17:51:22] <PetefromTn_> been pretty busy here at work and at my own shop
[17:51:29] <JT-Shop> ah missed that
[17:53:35] <Tom_itx> twice as much for what you want is better than half as much for something you don't
[17:53:37] <Tom_itx> :)
[17:54:02] <PetefromTn_> har har harde harr
[17:54:26] <Tom_itx> i've been rather lucky on ebay
[17:54:39] <PetefromTn_> this is a kennametal holder it is not exactly chopped liver
[17:54:53] <Tom_itx> you could have gotten valenite then maritool would have seemed cheap
[17:54:58] <PetefromTn_> just probably more of a shell mill holder than a facemill holder
[17:56:16] <Tom_itx> shell mills do side cuts? and face mills don't?
[17:56:51] <Tom_itx> i'm not exactly sure the difference
[17:59:25] <PetefromTn_> I guess I could try to find or make a large thick washer for this one
[17:59:47] <PetefromTn_> but if they had just sold me the one in the picture in the damn auction I won this would not be a problem
[17:59:55] <Tom_itx> yup
[18:00:04] <JT-Shop> I hate when they screw you like that
[18:00:27] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CAT-50-1-Face-Mill-Arbor-Qty1-AA3B05-50-25-051-LOC1852B-TS14-/371452304375?hash=item567c485bf7
[18:00:33] <PetefromTn_> that is the auction I orderd
[18:00:50] <PetefromTn_> you see how the screw is big with a wide fat head on it
[18:01:05] <PetefromTn_> the one I got has just a large SHCS
[18:01:07] <Tom_itx> that says cat50 now though
[18:01:19] <PetefromTn_> it is not even wider than the 1" shank
[18:01:26] <PetefromTn_> I know actually that is what they screwed up
[18:01:36] <PetefromTn_> the ad USED to say Cat40
[18:01:40] <PetefromTn_> so I bought it
[18:02:01] <PetefromTn_> then they said it was wrong and could they send me a different one that is CAT40 but the same size arbor
[18:02:19] <PetefromTn_> I asked them to send me a picuture before they shipped it
[18:02:26] <PetefromTn_> they just shipped it anyways
[18:02:28] <Tom_itx> anybody can tell the difference between cat40 and catg50
[18:03:13] <PetefromTn_> well apparently I can't ;)
[18:03:27] <PetefromTn_> the auction said CAT40 and the arbors looked right to me
[18:03:30] <Tom_itx> i mean if they're standing there holding it
[18:03:35] <PetefromTn_> but whaddahell do I know
[18:03:49] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah in person there is a vast difference
[18:04:12] <Tom_itx> the knob end is rather fat on those
[18:04:57] <Tom_itx> pictures can be deceiving though
[18:06:18] <ganzuul> Cantilevers are dumb!
[18:08:13] <ganzuul> ...unless they are stretched by centripetal forces.
[18:08:14] <ganzuul> hm.
[18:09:07] * JT-Shop wanders to the deck to watch the deer have dinner
[18:10:07] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, are these close? http://www.ebay.com/itm/PARLEC-CAT-40-1-FACE-MILL-ARBOR-C40-10SM2-LOC1686-/251966131341?hash=item3aaa5a0c8d
[18:12:09] <PetefromTn_> close to what?
[18:12:21] <PetefromTn_> they don't appear to even have the screws for them LOL
[18:12:22] <Tom_itx> what you need
[18:12:30] <Tom_itx> hmm
[18:12:52] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PARLEC-CAT-40-1-FACE-MILL-ARBOR-C40-10SM2-LOC1687/371331118899?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D33870%26meid%3Df5f3c721fa744040bdc4e1e610df85fd%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D251966131341
[18:13:10] <PetefromTn_> this is pretty much exactly what I received only a kennametal instead of parlec
[18:13:26] <Tom_itx> looks like a standard fine thread
[18:13:30] <Tom_itx> or are they metric?
[18:14:27] <PetefromTn_> Oh I am sure the screw thread is a standard one but getting one with the wide fat head to hold my damn facemill in is gonna be a bitch
[18:16:21] <PetefromTn_> I tell you what these aluminum specific polished dished inserts I got for the facemill are SHARP!
[18:16:50] * Tom_itx gives PetefromTn_ a band aid
[18:17:31] <PetefromTn_> seriously these are VERY sharp inserts kinda surprised actually I am used to sort of radiused edge inserts for steel mostly
[18:17:40] <Tom_itx> yep
[18:17:59] <PetefromTn_> Can't wait to see this baby rip some aluminum
[18:18:36] <Tom_itx> what side did you get? 3"?
[18:18:50] <Tom_itx> that's a good size
[18:19:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah 3"
[18:19:10] <PetefromTn_> six inserts
[18:19:16] <PetefromTn_> 3.15 diameter
[18:19:17] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:19:41] <PetefromTn_> it LOOKS really nice I will say that... no idea how it will cut yet.
[18:22:12] <fenn> how well do carbide inserts for aluminum work on steel?
[18:22:41] <Tom_itx> probably not as good as ones designed for steel
[18:22:49] <PetefromTn_> probably wreck em
[18:22:58] <fenn> but on a small machine the regular steel inserts are too dull
[18:23:10] <Tom_itx> try one
[18:23:41] <PetefromTn_> tell you what if you buy a set I will test em for ya ;)
[18:23:57] <fenn> sure i'll get some from walmart
[18:24:21] <Tom_itx> they seem to sell everything else now
[18:24:43] * Tom_itx hands JT-Deck a beer
[18:24:48] <JT-Deck> Pete you getting rain
[18:25:06] <PetefromTn_> nope
[18:25:10] <JT-Deck> After my glass of wine thanks
[18:28:18] <JT-Deck> What's the best way to Wears valley 140 to Maryville then 321?
[18:28:36] * ganzuul needs a crossing between an antenna mast and a metalworking machine.
[18:28:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah that works
[18:31:33] <JT-Deck> Cool can't wait for next weekend
[18:33:34] <PetefromTn_> yeah man I think you will enjoy the area there is a lot to see and do..
[18:44:50] <JT-Deck> A guy that lives over that way said to ride the CHEROHALA SKYWAY
[18:46:24] <JT-Deck> Time to go in
[19:21:27] <PetefromTn_> Have you guys ever bought electronics items from Canada and ifso was there customs fees involved? Specifically Vancouver BC?
[19:24:32] <jdh> I've never found it cost effective to buy much from .ca
[19:24:48] <PetefromTn_> well this time it is
[19:58:19] <Tom_itx> find someone to bring it across and ship it
[19:58:40] <Tom_itx> yes there are customs and Ca customs are sloooowww
[20:38:05] * furrywolf flops over exhausted
[20:38:10] <furrywolf> more blackberries ripped out.
[20:41:32] <PCW> we used to have blackberries (and poison oak) Sheep ate it all
[20:41:59] <furrywolf> nothing will eat the blackberries here. goats will eat the fluffy leaves, but not the stems.
[20:42:33] <furrywolf> and goats only eat them after eating EVERYTHING else, including things they have to try breaking out to get, things they can dig up, etc.
[20:43:06] <furrywolf> the thorns on the big ones here are long and sharp... I was wearing extra-heavy-duty gloves and still get to be a pincushion.
[20:43:29] <furrywolf> they're four-layer gloves with a layer of plastic designed just to stop thorns.
[20:44:08] <PetefromTn_> Man I swear I have the BEST wife EVER!
[20:44:20] <PetefromTn_> you would not believe what she just told me
[20:44:49] <furrywolf> that she's bought a strapon and it's her turn to be on top?
[20:45:03] <PetefromTn_> I kinda put together the facemill with some large washers to temporarily test it while I figure out what to do about a new arbor
[20:45:03] * furrywolf wouldn't believe that
[20:45:25] <PetefromTn_> so we are out there in the shop and I am trying to setup the facemill
[20:45:36] <PetefromTn_> I must have had a big shit eating grin on my face or something
[20:45:50] <PetefromTn_> and she says so this thing is gonna make your life easier then?
[20:46:11] <PetefromTn_> I was like yeah honey it will allow me to take MUCH deeper cuts and get a much smoother nicer finish
[20:46:21] <PetefromTn_> so I am showing her the carbide inserts
[20:46:21] <furrywolf> "good, so you'll have more time to do your chores!"
[20:46:35] <PetefromTn_> both the steel and aluminum specific inserts
[20:46:54] <PetefromTn_> and telling here how when I cut steel I just swap the inserts out to the coated carbides
[20:47:04] <PetefromTn_> she thinks about it for a second
[20:47:40] <PetefromTn_> and then she looks at me and asks "So you have to remove each one of those little screws and put a different little square thingy in each little hole?"
[20:47:50] <PetefromTn_> I am like...well....yeah.
[20:48:22] <PetefromTn_> so then she says...."SO you should just buy two or three of these facemills so you can have one for each kind of insert square thingy!!!"'
[20:48:36] <PetefromTn_> I swear I thought I was looking at the face of an angel!! ;)
[20:48:41] <furrywolf> lol
[20:49:02] <SpeedEvil> hah
[20:49:14] <furrywolf> that doesn't sound all that unreasonable.
[20:49:20] * furrywolf believes it
[20:49:24] <PetefromTn_> ya know honestly it doesn't
[20:49:47] <Wolf_> next time show her how long setups take for the mill, maybe ya can get a 2nd one :P
[20:49:47] <PetefromTn_> until you realize that each one will cost you like $250.00 to have that capability LOL
[20:49:57] <PetefromTn_> EXACTLY!!
[20:51:01] <SpeedEvil> now I'm imagining an automagic insert changing machine.
[20:51:06] <furrywolf> show her you attempting to turn something with the mill, and see if she'll tell you to buy a lathe. :P
[20:51:15] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: robot arm
[20:51:24] <PetefromTn_> Oh she knows I already have one just that it is not working yet LOL
[20:51:52] <PetefromTn_> I honestly think that while she has really ALWAYS been supportive of my buying tools and machines etc.
[20:52:18] <PetefromTn_> she is starting to see that this shit can actually make a fair bit of money so now she is all happy and enthusiastic about it heh
[20:55:03] <PetefromTn_> I will say that I was kinda worried about using a pair of stacked washers on the facemill
[20:55:12] <PetefromTn_> but I really wanted to try it
[20:55:14] <fenn> time to make some venus demilo's pete
[20:55:19] <PetefromTn_> haha
[20:55:45] <PetefromTn_> I must say that this thing EATS aluminum with those dished polished inserts
[20:56:17] <PetefromTn_> I was facing off .3 easily with little noise and drama and the pass even before a finish pass looked pretty good
[20:56:39] <PetefromTn_> I did find that the inserts are kinda hard to SEAT and find the sweet spot
[20:56:47] <CaptHindsight> concoct some elaborate hand crank and inspection ritual before each job is run so you can get her to recommend getting a 2nd machine (sounds like a sitcom)
[20:56:50] <fenn> you'll sell a lot more scope mounts if you have an online store with a "buy it now" button
[20:57:09] <fenn> nobody wants to email some random guy, even if it costs $200
[20:57:10] <PetefromTn_> I have ebay ads?
[20:57:18] <fenn> oh that's a good start
[20:57:23] <PetefromTn_> and I sell from my facebook page
[20:58:06] * furrywolf doesn't use facebook, and suspects it's not where most people go to buy things
[20:58:10] <PetefromTn_> but honestly MOST of the guys who buy from me either know me from the YEARS I have been in the airgun community as a competitor and parts provider or have personally met me on the competition field.
[20:58:12] <furrywolf> ebay listings are good, however
[20:58:31] <malcom2073> It's good business when your best customers are those you've shot
[20:58:38] <fenn> yeah that's what i mean, you are only selling to people you know. there's a much larger market of people you don't know
[20:58:40] <PetefromTn_> heh I actually have probably sold at least as many from my facebook page as I have from Ebay
[20:59:01] <PetefromTn_> I started to build a website
[20:59:06] <PetefromTn_> but I kinda SUCK at it
[20:59:13] <PetefromTn_> and I gave up on it
[20:59:21] <malcom2073> Pay some freelancer like $100 to set you one up
[20:59:22] <PetefromTn_> in fact my domain name is about to lapse
[20:59:23] <malcom2073> Probably worth it
[20:59:39] <PetefromTn_> well the FREELANCERS usually want $1k LOL
[20:59:48] <malcom2073> Not *real* freelancers
[20:59:52] <malcom2073> the kind you find on freelancing websites
[21:00:27] <furrywolf> I can do basic webdesign, but don't expect me to deal with a shopping cart or anything unless you want to pay for my learning experience too. :P
[21:00:31] <CaptHindsight> see if peashooter distributors will sell or stock them for you
[21:00:49] <PetefromTn_> ya see thats kind of a problem
[21:01:23] <PetefromTn_> most of the reason I sell as many as I do is because the customer can spec certain droop angle compensation as well as different colors and screw colors etc.
[21:01:30] <furrywolf> I can renew your domain. I'm marginally competent at that. :)
[21:01:35] <PetefromTn_> so to sell to a store I would need to generalize them
[21:01:37] * furrywolf used to run a domain registrar...
[21:01:46] <malcom2073> Nonsense, you can sell general ones + custom ones
[21:01:49] <PetefromTn_> my domain has not lapsed just yet
[21:02:06] <PetefromTn_> in fact I think it lapses tomorrow LOL
[21:02:15] <furrywolf> except be warned all domains registered through my registrar end up with random furry-related things in their whois info. :P
[21:02:42] <CaptHindsight> Server not found can't find the server at www.tacticalpeashooters.com.
[21:03:12] <PetefromTn_> mine is aandnprecisionmachine.com I think
[21:03:29] <furrywolf> currently it just says "This company may be contacted for domain login/passwords, DNS/Nameserver changes, anything related to bushy tails or pointy ears (or custom whois information requests), and general domain support questions." in the registrar contact box... I should update it more often.
[21:03:51] <Wolf_> hmm, step one, get a url thats not a half mile long :P
[21:03:52] <fenn> Expiration Date: 2015-10-15
[21:03:59] <PetefromTn_> mine is just blank now probably lost everything I DID do.
[21:04:25] <PetefromTn_> hey man I LIKE my URL
[21:04:40] <PetefromTn_> A&N is my kids initials LOL
[21:04:41] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: all I get is a page with a white cow in a snowstorm eating marshmallows :)
[21:04:50] <PetefromTn_> You too huh
[21:04:55] <PetefromTn_> that is ONE FAT COW
[21:05:32] <PetefromTn_> just heard back from the ebay seller
[21:05:57] <PetefromTn_> "I apologize for this error. There was some confusion in your previous message and you were shipped a similar FMA but the picture didn't get sent. What can we do to make this right for you?"
[21:06:01] <furrywolf> blank here... looks like abp is deciding there's nothing on the page but an ad?
[21:06:15] <fenn> how come domain squatters can't have funny pages like that :(
[21:06:25] <PetefromTn_> I used some hostgator site setup
[21:06:34] <PetefromTn_> copied some youtube video that shows how to do it
[21:06:51] <PetefromTn_> it was actually looking decent
[21:07:26] <PetefromTn_> but to be honest I was totally lost on the shopping cart setup and it sat for several months with me paying for it and not even being live or making me any customers
[21:08:10] <furrywolf> you might want to spend the half hour to put together a trivial website with photos, a list of available options (and saying you can do custom anything), and contact info.
[21:08:13] <PetefromTn_> as you all can tell I am not exactly a programmer sort LOL
[21:08:22] <furrywolf> no javascript, no shopping cart, just a page.
[21:08:33] <PetefromTn_> I paid for the woothemese stuff
[21:08:38] <PetefromTn_> still have it I think
[21:08:46] <furrywolf> as far as I can tell, you have no page there now, and your host is using it to show ads to people who end up ad it.
[21:08:51] <Wolf_> WYSWYG web page editor :P
[21:08:53] <CaptHindsight> and paypal can give you buttons to just paste into your site
[21:08:59] <CaptHindsight> they handle the backend
[21:09:17] <PetefromTn_> jeez I SUCK at this ;)
[21:09:38] <PetefromTn_> so let me aks you guys
[21:09:44] <PetefromTn_> what would you say to that ebay seller?
[21:09:47] <PetefromTn_> about the arbor
[21:10:10] * furrywolf doesn't know anything about the purchase, so doesn't know what to do
[21:10:27] <fenn> you're just missing the right kind of screw?
[21:10:37] <furrywolf> the usual result of any ebay transaction with a problem for me seems to be "get screwed". sellers have no incentive not to fuck up, and ebay doesn't care.
[21:10:41] <PetefromTn_> well I dunno really
[21:11:18] <PetefromTn_> the one I bought the auction for was included the large diameter screw head
[21:11:31] <PetefromTn_> that is larger than the bore to hold the facemill on there
[21:11:46] <furrywolf> if you're missing parts, ask him to send you the replacement parts, or a refund for what it'll cost you to obtain them.
[21:12:21] <PetefromTn_> I think I will just ask them if they have a different arbor that has the large screw head like I need.
[21:13:44] <furrywolf> I used to be really good at DNS... could read a dns packet hex dump... but that was a loooong time ago.
[21:13:50] <furrywolf> I wrote a dns library once...
[21:14:16] <furrywolf> and ran a dynamic dns service
[21:15:30] <furrywolf> yay! wetforher finally got back to me about my permanently backordered order. I was starting to think they took my money and ran.
[21:20:00] <PetefromTn_> nice
[21:22:33] <furrywolf> it starts with "Sorry for not responding you. Your emails were in our SPAMS."
[21:22:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah right
[21:27:06] <furrywolf> by some coincidence, the email they finally replied to was the one where I said if I didn't hear back from them pronto, I was calling amex and doing a chargeback.
[21:27:32] <PetefromTn_> funny how that happens
[21:40:59] <jdh> wetforher?
[21:41:35] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[21:42:15] <furrywolf> http://www.wetforher.com/
[21:42:33] <furrywolf> based on my experience so far, I can't recommend ordering from them.
[21:43:01] <jdh> perhpas they don't like guys.
[21:43:23] * furrywolf doesn't like guys either
[21:50:03] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, you tryin to make a webpage?
[21:50:27] <Jymmm> <blink>Phuk Ewe</blink>
[21:50:30] <furrywolf> they're going to send me their new "Union" instead of the out-of-stock item I ordered... sounds good to me. if they ever actually send it.
[21:50:52] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Local 425?
[21:50:52] <furrywolf> Jymmm: I heard new versions of firefox don't render the blink tag. I think this is a good thing. :P
[21:50:57] <furrywolf> ?
[21:51:08] <Jymmm> furrywolf: bummer
[21:51:18] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx yeah I did
[21:51:20] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Union Local 425
[21:51:57] <furrywolf> I'm not sure what union you're referring to. googling finds lots of local 425s.
[21:52:22] * Jymmm sighs
[21:52:28] <Jymmm> furrywolf: "they're going to send me their new "Union"
[21:53:00] <furrywolf> it's apparantly also a special education school. maybe you should sign up? :P
[21:53:02] <Jymmm> it's a joke
[21:53:30] <Jymmm> furrywolf: you drive a truck all day dont you?
[21:53:37] <furrywolf> a van
[21:53:42] <furrywolf> used to be a truck, downsized
[21:54:00] <Jymmm> why not use it to charge batteries all day?
[21:54:43] <furrywolf> because running a V8 to run an automotive alternator to charge batteries uses much more fuel than running a ?1 to run an inverter generator to charge batteries?
[21:55:25] <Jymmm> your burning the gas anyway, cant' be that much more
[21:56:10] <furrywolf> no, I'm not burning the gas anyway. any additional electrical load is supplied by additional fuel consumption.
[21:58:02] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tektronix-TDS1002-60-MHz-2-Channel-Digital-Real-Time-Oscilloscope-/151824157986 that's an interesting failure. anyone who can fix it can get a cheap good oscilloscope.
[21:58:42] <furrywolf> I'm going to guess a loose connection between display board and main board, losing the uppermost bit of the position... but could, of course, be a bad chip.
[22:01:40] <Wolf_> seems kinda spendy for a 60mhz 2channel + fucked up screen
[22:02:37] <furrywolf> they're closer to $500 working...
[22:02:52] <furrywolf> it's a tektronix, not a no-name china.
[22:04:33] <furrywolf> I love my tds-210, which is basically the same 'scope.
[22:04:53] <Wolf_> tds-220 for less then 400 on eBay...
[22:06:18] <furrywolf> that's closer to $500, isn't it? :P
[22:07:01] <Wolf_> I’m happy with my no name rigol 4ch
[22:07:21] <Wolf_> 220 is 2ch 100mhz
[22:07:33] <furrywolf> I have rarely been happy with anything made in china.
[22:11:46] <Wolf_> http://cn.tek.com
[22:14:40] <furrywolf> my tds-210 is made in usa. :P
[22:14:53] <furrywolf> I'd wager my 465b is too, but it's not handy to check.
[22:16:03] <Wolf_> made in usa, sadly probably out of chinese components
[22:16:40] <furrywolf> my new laptop proudly claims to be made in japan with all japanese components. :)
[22:16:46] <furrywolf> panasonic++
[22:17:14] <furrywolf> they actually use "no chinese crap" (although not worded quite like that) as a marketing point.
[22:17:54] <Wolf_> yeah
[22:23:39] <furrywolf> and the look on the postman's face when he came over to drop off a package and saw me hosing down my laptop with a garden hose was absolutely priceless. :)
[22:26:40] <furrywolf> I have that one connected to the mill... I can cover it with chips and just hose it off.
[22:56:52] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:54:43] <Contract_Pilot> Finially turned that lightmachienes lathe sherline over this is the motor. http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Light-Machines-Spectralight-Spindle-Motor-1-1024x576.jpg
[23:57:29] <Wolf_> cool
[23:57:46] <Wolf_> looks similar to whats on my taig lathe