#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-10-07

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[00:00:08] <PetefromTn_> Most use a salvaged electric wheelchair
[00:00:15] <Wolf_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzffTzZITLc
[00:00:19] <PetefromTn_> and some creative tig welding
[00:00:26] <Wolf_> electric, meh
[00:00:26] <PetefromTn_> and an RC setup
[00:00:28] <MacGalempsy> thinking it would be cool to use one board on two machines
[00:00:50] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: I want that!
[00:01:03] <PetefromTn_> it would sure be a bitch if it got away from you tho heh
[00:01:16] <Wolf_> yeah, that happened once
[00:01:17] <MacGalempsy> hahahaha, there goes the neighbors dog
[00:01:19] <PetefromTn_> I am sure you could setup a kill switch
[00:01:26] <PetefromTn_> is that yours?
[00:01:30] <Wolf_> hit a cabover truck in the yard
[00:01:38] <Wolf_> yeah
[00:01:46] <PetefromTn_> Oh awesome..
[00:02:07] <PetefromTn_> I must say as far as the mower part goes that thing makes my craftsman look like some kinda pussy
[00:02:36] <Wolf_> bent the bumper on the truck + moved it a few inches
[00:02:42] <MacGalempsy> my wife got wasted and drove my new john deer over a steel stake I had in the ground. less than 10 hrs and the mandrel is bent
[00:02:44] <PetefromTn_> it would bog down in grass half that high
[00:03:11] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: can you adjust the deck height with the remote control?
[00:03:18] <Wolf_> 13hp full hydraulic drive
[00:03:21] <Wolf_> no
[00:03:33] <PetefromTn_> it seems a little squirrely
[00:03:48] <Wolf_> takes 6 bolts + 4 spacers to change the deck height
[00:04:11] <MacGalempsy> so whats the problem?
[00:04:14] <MacGalempsy> heh
[00:04:26] <Wolf_> PetefromTn_: yeah, thats what happens when you are driving with 1 hand and iPhone in the other recording lol
[00:04:49] <PetefromTn_> heh so that is you that was squirrely then
[00:05:27] <Wolf_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-PeA20v6eE
[00:07:12] <bobo> Pete a plasma machine is usefull ,but I think a wire EDM machine is not as messy and really a more marketable usage
[00:07:30] <Wolf_> depends on what you need to do
[00:07:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[00:07:37] <Wolf_> I need a plasma table...
[00:07:51] <Wolf_> EDM is really kick ass, but...
[00:08:17] <MacGalempsy> i cannot understand why the plasma tables on craigslist are like $10k
[00:08:18] <Wolf_> 5’x10’ plate would be a bitch for EDM lol
[00:08:27] <MacGalempsy> it doesnt seem that complicated
[00:08:35] <PetefromTn_> its not that complicated
[00:08:38] <Wolf_> it really isnt
[00:08:52] <PetefromTn_> hell even ssi made one ;)
[00:08:53] <MacGalempsy> use some big ass steppers
[00:09:02] <Wolf_> but a fully turn key kit… not cheap
[00:09:04] <PetefromTn_> Steppers? GASP
[00:09:11] <MacGalempsy> :D
[00:09:46] <Wolf_> nema 34 470W servos good enough for plasma table? :D
[00:10:02] <PetefromTn_> Well enough kiddin around. I gotta get to bed. talk tomorrow fellas...Wolfie I will be expecting some of those drives here soon man so get crackin' ;)
[00:11:11] <PetefromTn_> GN8
[00:11:45] <bobo> around here ,Cols. ,OH, If I supply the print for a ,It can be cut out cheeper than i can buy the material
[00:13:39] <MacGalempsy> sounds like a good area to be around
[00:15:14] <ssi> Wolf_: yes, still way overkill :)
[00:15:25] <ssi> my plasma table has 370oz-in nema 24 steppers
[00:15:39] <bobo> one place has water jet other has plasma cutter
[00:16:33] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQsF8GiWwAAv0J_.png:large
[00:16:38] <MacGalempsy> wish we had something like that around here
[00:16:41] <ssi> there's the first assembly
[00:17:13] <MacGalempsy> ssi: that doesnt look like a plasma table :P
[00:18:07] <ssi> correct
[00:18:24] <bobo> ssi zeeshan's lathe "to be " has rhe same brand servo motors as your mill. he may be interested in the servo drivers
[00:18:43] <ssi> it has the fanuc redcap motors?
[00:18:56] <MacGalempsy> so maybe someone here can influence me a direction on CAD/CAM package. we have been using solidworks in class, but the sales guy is a douche. so have been just considering sticking with Fusion360, but dont like the cloud base.
[00:19:07] <bobo> I think so. yes
[00:19:10] <ssi> MacGalempsy: I drastically prefer solidworks
[00:19:29] <ssi> sucks that fusion isn't good, because I work exclusively in osx, and the last thing I need parallels for is solidworks :(
[00:19:32] <MacGalempsy> most people say the same
[00:19:57] <MacGalempsy> its just crap that they wont give me a demo of solidworks
[00:20:51] <MacGalempsy> they wont give demos to students, so I said send one to my consulting company and they said no
[00:22:44] <Wolf_> torrent “demo”
[00:23:12] <ssi> agreed :P
[00:34:08] <bobo> later
[00:38:26] <Praesmeodymium> MacGalempsy: while fusions cloud base is cloudy I totally used 360 on a computer without network for more than a month
[00:39:33] <Praesmeodymium> so it only uses the cloud based stuff for a couple function, importing stls sadly is one of them
[00:50:16] <anomynous> MacGalempsy, i could download student version of sw for free when in school
[00:50:28] <anomynous> maybe your school has such a thing
[00:52:09] <anomynous> MacGalempsy, what do you study
[01:20:07] <_abc_> !seen cradek
[01:20:07] <the_wench> last seen in #linuxcnc-devel 2015-10-06 19:24:13GMT 11:32:04 ago, saying right, that's exactly what I mean
[02:18:53] <Deejay> moin
[02:35:46] <MacGalempsy> anomynous: sorry was soldering some leads
[02:36:16] <MacGalempsy> im taking a night class in cnc programming. so far we have just manually programmed for the last 6 wks
[02:39:34] <archivist> are they making sure you have used a manual mill too?
[02:46:20] <_abc_> archivist: What manual mill? Seen any handles / cranks on a modern cnc mill? ;)
[02:47:17] <archivist> _abc_, night school!!!
[02:48:10] <_abc_> archivist: Can't see the handles and cranks in the dark!
[02:48:35] <_abc_> The night class is in "cnc programming". In no way does it imply getting hands dirty ;)
[02:49:16] <MacGalempsy> well, they are trying to get us to take the 10 month machinist course
[02:49:37] <archivist> take it, good experience
[02:49:40] <MacGalempsy> _abc_: pretty much, we have done like touchoffs, and edge finding
[02:49:40] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: Do it if they pay for it.
[02:50:02] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: by hand or by sim/cnc code?
[02:50:04] <MacGalempsy> money is not the front end problem. I work graveyard shift and the classes are ALL day long
[02:50:13] * _abc_ has been tinkering with G38.n yesterday.
[02:50:25] <MacGalempsy> the instructor has never used a touchprobe heh
[02:50:36] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: That is tough. Arrange to take breaks a few days a month at least, from school.
[02:50:48] <archivist> I am learning of the ways of touch probes
[02:50:58] <MacGalempsy> how is the touchy going?
[02:51:02] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: Itis very unhealhy to do what you do long term.
[02:51:12] <MacGalempsy> _abc_: its been 3 years now
[02:51:34] <MacGalempsy> if the oil business was going better, I wouldnt even need to retrain
[02:51:47] <_abc_> archivist: You might like this: http://softsolder.com/2010/04/14/emc2-ugliest-tool-length-probe-station-ever/
[02:51:59] <archivist> MacGalempsy, yesterday I was finishing up moving the compressor out the garage into a shed to get the noise level down next to the CMM
[02:52:02] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: You are an oiler? Refugee/ex oiler?
[02:52:19] <MacGalempsy> 10 year pro geologist
[02:52:24] <_abc_> Ah. Nice.
[02:52:53] <MacGalempsy> does lcnc have setup for a touchoff plate and a touchprobe?
[02:53:04] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: yes the link I provided!
[02:53:30] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: there are many more like that. lcnc is not centralized it is the sum of many many people's contributions. You get to Google a lot.
[02:54:03] <MacGalempsy> i've been trying to get my mill going. right now I need to take the table off
[02:54:08] <archivist> although it does not have stylus calibration, yet, as far as I know
[02:54:24] <_abc_> archivist: What do you mean by stylus calibration please?
[02:55:01] <MacGalempsy> like there are different shapes right?
[02:55:05] <MacGalempsy> not just ball tip
[02:55:24] <archivist> the springs in the average probe and all errors summed give you an effectively smaller diameter to the ball on your stylus
[02:55:56] <_abc_> Yes but that should be documented for the stylus you use?
[02:55:59] <MacGalempsy> i just packed up my Renishaw TP1s to go out for repair
[02:56:07] <archivist> there is also the time for the machine to react to the contact
[02:56:18] <MacGalempsy> good thing the TP2 5w is working
[02:56:19] <_abc_> Sure the code in my link accounts for that
[02:56:26] <archivist> _abc_, no you calibrate on the machine
[02:56:36] <_abc_> Did you see the link please?
[02:56:50] <MacGalempsy> the renishaw calibration is just a small handheld force gauge
[02:56:55] <archivist> that turd of a switch?
[02:57:07] <MacGalempsy> which turd?
[02:57:09] <_abc_> Move in fast to contact, move out slow to break, move in slow to precise contact
[02:57:17] <_abc_> archivist: the switch is irrelevant, read the code
[02:57:28] <archivist> MacGalempsy, nope the calibration is after that stage
[02:57:33] <MacGalempsy> well, real touchprobes use strain gauge
[02:57:43] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: do they?
[02:57:57] <_abc_> LVDT is more likely, also iirc Renishaw uses optical ones
[02:58:14] <MacGalempsy> https://www.sparkfun.com/search/results?term=load+sensor
[02:58:26] <_abc_> I know exactly what that is MacGalempsy ;)
[02:58:42] <MacGalempsy> that is what I am going to do my touchoff plate with
[02:59:09] <archivist> _abc_, obviously you have not seen non amateur probe documentation yet, real machines move more than one axis at a time when probing
[02:59:35] <_abc_> Maybe not a good idea? Elastic materials which have low Young modulus suitable for strain gauge probing without too much force on the tool tip also have poor temporal stability
[02:59:50] <archivist> _abc_, Renishaw use strain gauges too
[03:00:02] <_abc_> archivist: I know what I need to know about ruby ball 3d probes.
[03:00:23] <MacGalempsy> anyone need to buy some ruby balls?
[03:00:29] <_abc_> archivist: What force would that require to be actuated?
[03:00:31] <archivist> I have an LVDT probe here, cant see who made it though
[03:00:35] <MacGalempsy> better yet trade for some ATC programming?
[03:01:20] <archivist> the stylus forces vary
[03:01:24] <_abc_> archivist: apparently the best probes now are optical interferometers. The probe ball is part of the mirror, any pressure or disturbance on it shifts the fringes.
[03:02:01] <_abc_> archivist: I need to touch off engraving mills with 0.2mm tip. 50 grams on that and it's chipped.
[03:02:20] <_abc_> archivist: This is not simple.
[03:02:26] <archivist> I got a .5mm tip, tiny
[03:02:37] <_abc_> 0.5mm is way too large for what I do.
[03:02:37] <MacGalempsy> thats what she said
[03:02:50] * _abc_ sends MacGalempsy to get laid and top talking lewd
[03:03:02] <MacGalempsy> the wifey is sleeping
[03:03:09] <_abc_> *stop
[03:03:24] <archivist> I used the .5 for my first attempt at testing the CMM
[03:03:42] <archivist> the 2mm tip only arrived yesterday
[03:04:14] <archivist> I might have to make a version of http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-1014-1720
[03:04:26] <archivist> cannot afford that
[03:04:39] <MacGalempsy> ouch
[03:05:08] <MacGalempsy> that looks like one of those parts you find in a generic machinist lot on ebay for like $2
[03:05:17] <MacGalempsy> else you pay $300
[03:05:36] <archivist> will have to scan fleabay for one
[03:05:46] <MacGalempsy> even better http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-1047-3484
[03:05:51] <archivist> I got http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-5000-3626 on fleabay
[03:05:54] <MacGalempsy> $300 for an extension
[03:06:05] <MacGalempsy> I got one of those
[03:06:42] <MacGalempsy> actually there are three https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/16587541542/in/dateposted-public/
[03:06:53] <archivist> I got two extensions on the machine, but the probe points horizontally
[03:06:54] <MacGalempsy> best fleabay buy in a long time
[03:07:25] <archivist> I see nothing flickr is fucked
[03:07:46] <MacGalempsy> oh yeah. you dont got that
[03:09:04] <archivist> I need a reference/datum sphere too
[03:09:19] <_abc_> archivist: http://86.127.146.79:8881/mypaste/f89fe1cc653a512e5b6e that module pcb was made by me with a mill I sharpened and designed (angles etc) myself, mill path is 0.18mm wide afair.
[03:10:14] <MacGalempsy> http://imgur.com/aKc67mR
[03:10:30] <Wolf_> archivist: https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7310/16587541542_c66d03681e_b.jpg mac’s pic
[03:10:57] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: nice gear. Busted it?
[03:11:14] <MacGalempsy> no the busted one is the TP1s (the big black one)
[03:11:19] <MacGalempsy> everything else works
[03:11:22] <_abc_> ok
[03:11:29] <_abc_> How did you bust it?
[03:11:35] <MacGalempsy> it came that way
[03:11:36] <archivist> you could fix it yourself
[03:11:42] <_abc_> ok
[03:11:44] <MacGalempsy> I got that whole box for 300
[03:11:57] <archivist> dirty contacts likely
[03:12:14] <MacGalempsy> well, I just plugged it in to the interface and the led doesnt come one
[03:12:16] <MacGalempsy> on
[03:12:39] <archivist> a symptom of cable or contacts
[03:12:44] <MacGalempsy> cable is good
[03:12:56] <MacGalempsy> so its got to be the contacts
[03:13:32] <MacGalempsy> i got the interface with a bunch of other stuff for like 35
[03:14:20] <archivist> II got this one cat50 size http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=probe+pd+valeron was useless, then discovered how to get inside, cleaned the contacts
[03:15:02] <archivist> I think its force is too high for my use so probably will never use it
[03:15:52] <MacGalempsy> isnt the force adjustable?
[03:16:01] <archivist> not on all probes
[03:16:58] <Jymmm> 3D Scanner http://www.frys.com/product/8394207?site=sa:adpages%20page:P128_SU%20date:100415
[03:19:01] <MacGalempsy> archivist: I owe you one
[03:19:07] <archivist> LVTD probe has fixed force too as it is a flat spring flexure mount http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=probe+pd+lvdt
[03:19:19] <MacGalempsy> just pulled the cap off and sprayed contact cleaner in there and now it works
[03:19:58] <archivist> my TP2 needed wiggling to get it running, then I adjusted the force up a little
[03:21:42] <MacGalempsy> I like the tp1s better because the cable comes off
[03:21:54] <MacGalempsy> so I can keep it in a tool holder on the ATC
[03:21:58] <archivist> I spent many hours over the years, wiggling various switches and pots to use the self cleaning action of movement to get stuff working again
[03:22:45] <MacGalempsy> cool
[03:22:47] <archivist> the rubbing of the contacts rubs off corrosion or dirt
[03:23:25] <MacGalempsy> now what am I going to do with 2 touchprobes?
[03:23:37] <archivist> play :)
[03:24:08] <MacGalempsy> need to finish my machine right now. cannot home y
[03:24:15] <archivist> one can be for probing, the could be for tool length
[03:24:28] <MacGalempsy> that sounds like a good idea
[03:24:46] <MacGalempsy> only have one interface though
[03:24:59] <MacGalempsy> I would like one of those MI8
[03:25:17] <MacGalempsy> they are small and will fit in the back panel
[03:26:33] <archivist> a change over switch, a few pennies
[03:26:40] <MacGalempsy> good idea
[03:26:49] <archivist> or a relay controlled from linuxcnc
[03:26:52] <MacGalempsy> and since they are microphone jacks, it should be pretty easy
[03:26:59] <MacGalempsy> brb
[03:31:18] <Valen> this looks scary http://imgur.com/gallery/giOuD
[03:40:48] <ganzuul> A piezo stack is a powerful and repeatable way to impart vibration.
[03:41:12] <ganzuul> ...Holy backlog batman.
[03:41:36] <[cube]> what about an old 12" woofer with the cone cut out? :)
[03:42:16] <ganzuul> hmm
[03:42:48] <ganzuul> The impedance remains the same...
[03:43:18] <[cube]> was thinking about this a few days ago
[03:43:24] <ganzuul> Might be too many dynamic factors for very accurate measurement, unless you have a comparison from which to deduce the error.
[03:43:34] <[cube]> on vibrating a table to help degassing of liquids
[03:43:38] <[cube]> while they're in vacuum
[03:43:44] <ganzuul> oice
[03:44:12] <ganzuul> Low frequency might be the best for that, yes.
[03:45:10] <[cube]> maybe fill the cone area with a soft gel-like silicon
[03:45:27] <[cube]> mount it right on the table
[03:45:32] <Wolf_> archivist: so these probe heads, really just a switch right? so don’t need a interface box?
[03:47:31] <ganzuul> [cube]: Why soft?
[03:48:06] <[cube]> not sure really, maybe would give it a little 'give'
[03:48:34] <[cube]> alow the magnets to push a bit
[03:49:04] <archivist> Wolf_, the "interface" is often just some small filter/ switch debounce circuit, but it does depends on probe type
[03:49:21] <[cube]> and might protect the 'transducer' from damaging itself
[03:49:24] <Wolf_> hmm
[03:49:38] <archivist> Wolf_, the other types dont have switches
[03:50:26] <archivist> a probe really have to be robust against over travel
[03:51:26] <MacGalempsy> Valen: whats so scarey?
[03:51:38] <Valen> pointy knives
[03:52:01] <archivist> Wolf_, eg see technical details, it shows over travel https://www.renishaw.com/cmmsupport/knowledgebase/en/tp2-legacy-probe--22344
[03:52:58] <Wolf_> there is a PH5 for pretty cheap on eBay, and I now see that its really just teh a carrier
[03:54:22] <archivist> yes the expensive way for a star setup
[03:55:30] <Wolf_> the M8 thread on the probe is neat to know http://www.tormach.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=31810
[03:56:36] <archivist> that probe m8 has a centre contact
[03:57:18] <Wolf_> tormach holders are hollow
[04:00:17] <MacGalempsy> I have some tormach holders that are getting sent back
[04:00:22] <MacGalempsy> 20 of them.
[04:00:35] <Wolf_> why?
[04:00:46] <MacGalempsy> they are for MTC and I have ATC
[04:01:02] <Wolf_> china ones don’t have groves in them
[04:01:05] <MacGalempsy> i ordered one to see if it would work, then some how I ordered the MTC on accisdent
[04:01:23] <ganzuul> [cube]: Might not have to be very, very soft to protect the coil. Also, stiffness will give a wider tuning range before harmonics start to dominate.
[04:01:25] <MacGalempsy> they are Darkon from Canada. the guy was cool about swapping them out
[04:01:27] <Wolf_> or are they from tormach?
[04:01:32] <Wolf_> ahh
[04:01:47] <Wolf_> oh yeah, he has then both ways right...
[04:02:09] <MacGalempsy> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-DARKON-ER20-ATC-Precision-Chuck-/231615910120?hash=item35ed6250e8
[04:02:30] <ganzuul> [cube]: polyurethane might work well!
[04:03:47] <MacGalempsy> wondering if I should have them send me the ER32 instead of the ones I had in mind
[04:04:14] <MacGalempsy> I got the ER20
[04:04:24] <Wolf_> er32 are big
[04:04:42] <MacGalempsy> I dont think there is enough room on the turret
[04:04:50] <Wolf_> I have er32 and er16 right now
[04:05:15] <Wolf_> only got the er32 cause I have a full collet set
[04:06:37] <mikron_> archivist i have done te mpg wheel but i cant get the scale connected it works on 0,001
[04:07:45] <Wolf_> lol http://www.ebay.com/itm/Renishaw-CMM-Probe-Head-Parts-/281686651387?hash=item4195d531fb
[04:08:21] <MacGalempsy> hahahah looks bad
[04:10:14] <archivist> Wolf_, I think I spy the parts of something I could fix up there
[04:10:23] <archivist> want
[04:10:32] <Wolf_> :)
[04:10:47] <Wolf_> figured ya might see something useful in there
[04:11:08] <archivist> need someone over there to post the bits I want :)
[04:11:17] <Wolf_> so renishaw isn’t the only name in probes right?
[04:11:21] <archivist> looks like he does not post over here
[04:11:31] <archivist> Ziess
[04:11:32] <Wolf_> I can do that
[04:13:54] <archivist> looks like the parts for more than one broken PK1 are in that pile
[04:13:55] <Wolf_> I’ll hit buy on them parts for you and forward
[04:15:05] <archivist> ok tell me postage whatever in a pm with email and I can paypal some dosh
[04:15:37] <Wolf_> once it gets here lol
[04:16:16] <Wolf_> can get some better pics so you can weed out some weight if needed too
[04:17:22] <archivist> ok
[04:18:04] <archivist> looking at his other items, seem yet another seller of stores contents :)
[04:24:49] <Wolf_> hate when I can’t find info http://www.ebay.com/itm/MILIMAR-MAHR-TOUCH-PROBE-RC0100309-FOR-CNC-MILLING-MACHINE-SHOP-INSPECTION-LAB-/190814566978?hash=item2c6d6f3a42
[04:25:05] <Contract_Pilot> Eveening
[04:25:22] <Contract_Pilot> Early morning? off to bed
[04:25:26] <_abc_> I can't tell if motion.flood-is-on is a valid signal? Is it?
[04:27:05] <archivist> Wolf_, mitutoyo has a similar probe, used for some old manual measuring thing iirc
[04:27:55] <archivist> Wolf_, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mitutoyo-192-001-Touch-Signal-Probe-/181892837261
[04:28:46] <Wolf_> yeah, I think its for their surface hight thinger
[04:28:54] <Sync> those are LVDT things
[04:33:09] <_abc_> Isn't mist.is-on a motion pin/signal? It seems to come from halui?!
[04:33:15] <_abc_> same for coolant
[04:33:18] <_abc_> Guys?
[04:34:00] <_abc_> ah iocontrol
[04:34:30] <archivist> switching it on or thinking of a status
[04:35:03] <Wolf_> could be a neat idea as well, get a cheaper probe, but that would only work for height :/
[04:35:32] <Wolf_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-SOLARTRON-ANALOGUE-GAUGING-TOUCH-PROBE-5-PIN-MALE-END-/351343969710?hash=item51cdbb85ae looks interesting for that
[04:37:26] <MacGalempsy> for that price it would be worth the gamble
[04:37:37] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: I am now.
[04:38:25] <Wolf_> at worst I could set up a rig with that to measure the tool heights using the surface plate holder and have the probe move :)
[04:38:27] <MacGalempsy> there are 10?
[04:38:48] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: you wanted to say something?
[04:38:57] <Sync> Wolf_: if you want to make lvdt readout crap, sure
[04:39:00] <MacGalempsy> yeah there was something earlier, but forgot
[04:39:29] <XXCoder> darn, next time include something in ding :) as thats only line I get into special highlight channel.
[04:39:36] <MacGalempsy> oh yeah
[04:39:42] <MacGalempsy> it was about that 3d printer
[04:39:51] <MacGalempsy> DONT DO THE $15 off!
[04:39:51] <XXCoder> yeah?
[04:40:04] <XXCoder> I already did not plan to.
[04:40:08] <MacGalempsy> https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/3noon2/scams_on_aliexpress/
[04:40:34] <MacGalempsy> the trick is you can only file once, so they get you to take a $15 refund and dont send anything
[04:40:58] <XXCoder> that wqas what I guessed
[04:41:07] <XXCoder> due to how pishy guy was. lol
[04:41:12] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[04:41:22] <MacGalempsy> i might as well go for the full refund
[04:41:46] <archivist> Wolf_, you need the hardware to read LVDT sensors
[04:42:04] <MacGalempsy> amplifier?
[04:42:13] <archivist> and oscillator
[04:42:40] <archivist> the analog devices chip set is not that cheap
[04:42:44] <Sync> (protip, the stmbl should be able to read them)
[04:42:52] <Wolf_> heh
[04:43:16] <Wolf_> I’ll just keep a eye on the eBay for something simple, like a renishaw
[04:43:37] <archivist> cheaper way http://www.mikesflightdeck.com/lvdts/lvdts.html
[04:43:41] <MacGalempsy> renishaw is not simple, you need an interface
[04:44:21] <archivist> MacGalempsy, its only a contact, and LED drivers sometimes
[04:44:51] <MacGalempsy> but when you try to ohm out th e leads, a touch does not equal conductivity
[04:45:08] <archivist> crappy contacts
[04:45:23] <MacGalempsy> ah, so you think now that I cleaned it it will ohm out?
[04:45:33] <archivist> try it :)
[04:45:35] <MacGalempsy> the tp2 doesnt
[04:47:05] <archivist> it may well be accepted practice to work with higher resistance, a comparator and a current source
[04:48:15] <archivist> wiggle the tp2 and use a higher range on the meter
[04:49:19] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: whoia
[04:49:29] <XXCoder> it now has status "frozen order"!
[04:49:41] <XXCoder> it changed when i was about to clic dispute
[04:49:57] <XXCoder> store homepage is not found
[04:50:59] <MacGalempsy> hahaha.
[04:51:16] <XXCoder> lets see if I get money back.
[04:51:53] <MacGalempsy> yep mine is frozen too
[04:52:12] <XXCoder> stilkl havent gotten back money but I guess I evenually will.
[04:52:51] <MacGalempsy> im sure they are getting complaints
[04:53:16] <XXCoder> yeah. too bad really.
[04:53:18] <MacGalempsy> To ensure safe transactions, your order has been frozen due to suspicious seller activities. The seller is required to provide evidence within 3 business days, if they do not, we will issue you with a full refund. In the event the seller does respond to the case within 3 business days, it could take about 15 business days for the case to be resolved.
[04:53:30] <MacGalempsy> there you go
[04:53:50] <XXCoder> even as crappy that printer is, I would have fun rebuild it then print stuff
[04:54:17] <MacGalempsy> the printer I ordered was bada$$
[04:54:28] <Praesmeodymium> yeah the screws and case woulda been worth the hassle (assuming the werent threded rod)
[04:54:28] <XXCoder> clomby one?
[04:54:52] <MacGalempsy> http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6954434421.html?orderId=69640944949817
[04:55:04] <MacGalempsy> on amazon it goes for $2k
[04:55:17] <XXCoder> yep from what I see from one thread it has major issues
[04:55:19] <XXCoder> dont buy it
[04:55:23] <XXCoder> for 2k anyway
[04:55:37] <MacGalempsy> no way! I got this VMC that isnt even finished
[04:55:57] <XXCoder> it was delivered with ballthreads bent for example
[04:56:01] <XXCoder> stripped gears
[04:56:04] <MacGalempsy> ouch
[04:56:21] <XXCoder> yeah I didnt know when I ordered but hey it was cheap even with issues
[04:56:52] <MacGalempsy> for 2k I would get a Kossel
[04:57:00] <MacGalempsy> or a mendlemax 3
[04:57:11] <Praesmeodymium> wow, built my mini for like 500$
[04:57:14] <MacGalempsy> but at this point its back to making them
[04:57:27] <MacGalempsy> i did a mm1.5 a few years ago
[04:57:43] <archivist> MacGalempsy, my tp2 does measure with a multimeter, shows a poor contact though
[04:57:50] <MacGalempsy> I got the stuff to do what I dubbed RepRack, which uses a server rack as the chassis
[04:58:11] <MacGalempsy> archivist: I guess that is why they suggest amplification devices
[04:58:31] <XXCoder> what would be good $200 one?
[04:58:55] <archivist> MacGalempsy, some contacts need a wetting current due to the oxide
[04:59:19] <XXCoder> this + my cnc router. HMMMM http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-Magic-3D-Drawing-Pen-3d-Printer-With-Heating-Coil-And-Nozzle-Cartridge-Produced-By-China/32450890200.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.10.vJvHv4&ws_ab_test=201556_6,201527_3_71_72_73_74_75,0_0
[04:59:45] <Wolf_> just get a extruder head
[04:59:53] <archivist> reed relays have that problem, so they have a minimum current for reliable contact
[05:00:17] <XXCoder> Wolf_: makes sense
[05:01:51] <XXCoder> like this? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/3d-printer-dual-head-Hotend-extruder-0-35-Nozzle-for-3mm-filament/1846120779.html
[05:02:20] <Wolf_> wow, overpriced
[05:02:59] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/UM2-Ultimaker-2-3D-Printer-Dual-Extrusion-Kit-2-Nozzles-Hot-End-Pack-Ultimaker-2-Dual/32347939480.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.2.6e3gWk&ws_ab_test=201556_6,201527_3_71_72_73_74_75,0_0
[05:03:25] <XXCoder> found one half that price
[05:07:22] <MacGalempsy> that dual head is not worth it
[05:07:39] <MacGalempsy> I had that budaschnozzle style before and they are not that great
[05:08:07] <XXCoder> just think having 2 colors would be awesome
[05:08:14] <XXCoder> or is there better duals?
[05:08:15] <MacGalempsy> sure
[05:08:25] <MacGalempsy> I would go for a dual jhead
[05:08:30] <MacGalempsy> or the aluhotend
[05:08:33] <Praesmeodymium> its like 4 times harder to get dual extrusion to work
[05:08:47] <MacGalempsy> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AluHotend-V7-1-75mm-hotend-for-reprap-3d-printers-jhead-compatible-groovemount-/111684862705?hash=item1a00efc2f1
[05:08:49] <Praesmeodymium> jhead is out of business there are now only clones
[05:08:51] <MacGalempsy> my buddy makes these one
[05:08:59] <Praesmeodymium> jgr?
[05:09:04] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[05:09:22] <MacGalempsy> thats his company, he is selling printers and making a killing
[05:10:17] <Praesmeodymium> I'd say I havent seen him in #reprap but that place hates on people doing anything
[05:10:25] <Praesmeodymium> in awhile I mean
[05:10:38] <Praesmeodymium> its been like a year since he was a regular
[05:10:59] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: sometimes "irc culture" turns toxic
[05:11:00] <MacGalempsy> he has been busy with the printers
[05:11:04] <XXCoder> like #java
[05:11:18] <MacGalempsy> he use to be in hangout a lot
[05:11:31] <MacGalempsy> now you have to msg him and demand his presence :)
[05:11:55] * XXCoder summons the holy 3d print master
[05:12:09] * XXCoder places pile of ABS rolls into surifical bowl
[05:12:39] <MacGalempsy> time to sacrifice a virgin
[05:12:54] <Praesmeodymium> dont buy a cheap kit you built rebuilt or operate a cnc machine just self source you will be much happier not trying to get motion out of curtain rods
[05:13:23] <MacGalempsy> sometimes getting a kit is cheaper than buying all the parts, then just make your own frame
[05:13:26] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: yeah I dont think i will buy printer for a while.
[05:13:47] <XXCoder> thats my orginial plan. I moved it up MUCH earlier due to that (unfortunately scammy) sale
[05:14:00] <MacGalempsy> i got enough parts laying around to make the reprack once I am able to make cuts on the CNC
[05:16:52] <XXCoder> nice
[05:16:59] <XXCoder> so there is cnc cuttable plans eh
[05:17:12] <XXCoder> and kit for non-cnc makable parts
[05:23:28] <MacGalempsy> the whole idea came from having an extra server rack, thinking it could be used to prototype, then get like a 72 u rack and stack three printers
[05:23:34] <MacGalempsy> in one case
[05:24:19] <MacGalempsy> the only brackets are .25" x3" aluminum bar stock
[05:27:01] <MacGalempsy> and some extrusions for the x/y stage
[05:29:13] <XXCoder> bet its pretty strightforward
[05:29:18] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: You get an email from aliexpress?
[05:29:39] <XXCoder> malcom2073: I probably got it but status on my order changed as I was checking it lol
[05:29:50] <malcom2073> XXCoder: They suspended the seller lol
[05:30:00] <XXCoder> good news eh. good thing aliexpress is eschow service
[05:30:10] <malcom2073> Yep
[05:31:26] <trentster> Hi all - I have been busy cutting high quality micro mirrors for laser optics out of old hard drive platters, it works beautifully for the first 8 or 10 pieces and then the wd40 or the cutting fluid I am manually spraying eats away the hold down tape and the platter moves - anyone know of hold down tape that is impervious to cutting fluid or alternatively a better method? (and no I dont have a vacuum table)
[05:32:02] <XXCoder> maybe its time to make one
[05:32:05] <Sync> superglue
[05:32:07] <XXCoder> you can easily make tiny one
[05:32:34] <Sync> also harddrive platters do not make good first surface mirrors
[05:32:50] <trentster> XXCoder: From what I have read, easy and vacuum table don't belong in the same sentence ;-)
[05:33:09] <XXCoder> Sync: I wonder how easy it is to make vacuum depost
[05:33:16] <XXCoder> so can make new first surface mirrors
[05:34:00] <Sync> well
[05:34:04] <Praesmeodymium> rather large ones in the average projection tv
[05:34:08] <trentster> Sync: the mirros seem great to me better than anything else I have seen thus far - whats the issue with platter you don't like?
[05:34:20] <Sync> the reflectivity sucks
[05:34:58] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaEaaeajCSI
[05:35:05] <Sync> send your laser through a stack of 10 and measure output
[05:35:15] <trentster> Sync: perhaps vs high quality paid optics - but as a free resource that does not end up in a land-fill it works pretty well
[05:35:59] <trentster> Sync: I am not trying to bounce a beam to mars its for laser spirographs only bounces off 4 mirrors
[05:36:27] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot4VUKEevJg
[05:37:00] <Sync> for that they might work okay
[05:37:07] <Sync> but they will not show up on my optical bench
[05:37:09] <trentster> but thanks for the super glue idea - it will ruin one side but thats not really an issue I guess - I will give it a try
[05:37:22] <Sync> XXCoder: pretty easy, at least for Al and Au mirrors
[05:37:22] <XXCoder> trentster: try different glue
[05:37:32] <XXCoder> one thats disolveable in water maybe
[05:37:37] <XXCoder> oil wont touch it
[05:37:42] <Sync> the only problem is that you need SiO2 on Al ones
[05:37:48] <Sync> acetone will take CA right off
[05:38:09] <XXCoder> video to make new mirror (rather than convert)
[05:38:14] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0TNwIhjbh4
[05:38:42] <trentster> XXCoder: thanks watching
[05:38:58] <XXCoder> silver type
[05:39:34] <XXCoder> person speaks VERY clearly so autocaptions work pretty good.
[05:42:41] <Sync> yeah but silver mirrors oxidize
[05:42:47] <Sync> gold or Al is preferrable
[05:43:01] <trentster> thats glass so will not work for me + plus its a ton of work vs using a platter - but thanks anyway :-)
[05:43:11] <XXCoder> I suppose but laser probably will eat it before oxide does]
[05:43:20] <XXCoder> and seal before store
[05:43:32] <XXCoder> trentster: yeah quite a bit of work
[05:44:51] <XXCoder> trentster: for tiny mirrors I'd go for vacuum deposit
[05:45:00] <XXCoder> dunno if works with Au
[05:45:03] <XXCoder> err
[05:45:05] <XXCoder> Al
[05:45:27] <Sync> sure
[05:45:31] <Sync> that's how they are done
[05:45:35] <Sync> by simple thermal evap
[05:45:41] <XXCoder> checking aliexpress lol
[05:46:52] <MacGalempsy> so everything worked well, but now that I put the bellows covers back on, it will not home...
[05:50:09] <ganzuul> Is a fire blanket a good firebrick-like material to use with e.g. flame brazing?
[05:50:12] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: you sure its not blocking anything?
[05:50:16] <XXCoder> or pushing wires loose
[05:50:17] <ganzuul> Or annealing.
[05:51:15] <MacGalempsy> yeah because with the belllows off, it was homing perfect
[05:51:17] <ganzuul> Say, put a bar of steel on 4-layers of fire blanket, heat up cherry red, and wrap it up.
[05:52:07] <trentster> MacGalempsy: whats it doing when you try and home?
[05:52:29] <trentster> and what type of home switches you using - mechanical?
[05:54:43] <XXCoder> ummmm
[05:54:59] <MacGalempsy> stalls out. I just pulled the bellows cover off and trying homing again
[05:55:05] <XXCoder> this 3d pinter has picture of guy in biohazard suit
[05:55:10] <XXCoder> so.....
[05:55:49] <MacGalempsy> ok. so Im going to trim down the cover and see if that does it
[05:55:58] <trentster> Cool - I won this auction at a pretty decent price - I hope they don't land up being absolute junk (fingers crossed) http://www.ebay.com/itm/221900471148
[05:56:33] <XXCoder> nice
[05:57:05] <trentster> if they are semi decent I wont have to buy ball nose bits for a long long time :-)
[05:57:19] <XXCoder> indeed
[05:57:21] <trentster> They are US made - so how bad can they be
[05:57:31] <XXCoder> maybe its "made in usa"
[05:58:18] <XXCoder> not bad http://www.aliexpress.com/item/3d-printer-High-precision-big-size-200-200-200mm/1783768137.html
[06:00:15] <trentster> xxcoder get a http://formlabs.com/
[06:01:29] <XXCoder> nah it dont support abs
[06:02:47] <trentster> what you planning on making with your 3d printer
[06:03:05] <XXCoder> art projects
[06:03:10] <XXCoder> I do like how abs looks so yeah
[06:04:10] <trentster> I should probably look into getting a 3d printer at some point as well - maybe I will wait awhile - the tech seems to be getting better by 50% every 6 months
[06:10:07] <XXCoder> thats problem too lol
[06:17:56] <MacGalempsy> heh. cut off one row of cover and it homed just fine
[06:19:05] <XXCoder> guess it was pushing limit
[06:20:36] <archivist> or turn up the servo current
[06:23:37] <XXCoder> maybe it was too heavy and trimming one off made it just barely light enough :P
[06:24:06] <MacGalempsy> hopefully that is all it takes on the y axis
[06:24:17] <MacGalempsy> probably the later
[06:24:47] <MacGalempsy> the upper cover is newer than the lower, so maybe they just didnt do it right
[06:34:10] <trentster> I wonder why on earth CNC Spindles are so ridiculously priced - you would think the bearing are made from Platinum at these prices - I am sure most sellers must have a 200% margin
[06:34:26] <XXCoder> only 200%?
[06:38:22] <MacGalempsy> it worked perfect this time. now on to the y axis
[06:40:48] * jthornton justs wants a 1 for his birthday
[06:41:11] <XXCoder> jthornton: okay, here it is 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
[06:41:20] <XXCoder> good for year :)
[06:42:34] <jthornton> that's too many I just want one 1
[06:42:42] <XXCoder> 1
[06:42:49] <jthornton> nice
[06:43:03] <jthornton> I hope to see that as the first number on the scale tomorrow
[06:45:17] <XXCoder> cool :)
[06:45:26] <jthornton> this morning I was 1 away from 1
[06:46:34] <jthornton> I've not seen a 1 in decades
[06:47:16] <XXCoder> same
[06:47:21] <XXCoder> in least I never saw 3
[06:47:38] <jthornton> me neither but I got half way to 3 once
[06:48:03] <XXCoder> that'd be one with 1 and 5. ;)
[06:51:48] <XXCoder> I do know what you mean though
[06:51:57] <XXCoder> I havw been at 270s for decades
[06:53:16] <jthornton> I got tired of it and slowly changed my eating habits
[07:00:21] <XXCoder> nice
[07:01:40] <jthornton> not eating carbs during the day got me the last 20 lbs and I hope the next 20 lbs
[07:02:34] <Sync> when I started training I dipped down and am now over my weight before
[07:02:35] <Sync> damn muscles
[07:06:06] <XXCoder> weight by itself should not be ultimate goal
[07:06:20] <XXCoder> good health + confortable in clothes should be
[07:06:45] <XXCoder> I do want to drop around 40 pounds or so and be healthy, but besides that im fine
[07:06:54] <XXCoder> anyway night
[07:07:12] <jthornton> good night
[07:12:08] <Jymmm> jthornton: So, don't send you any more recipes?
[07:12:50] <jthornton> I didn't say I quite eating good food... just less of it
[07:13:16] <plasma_ger> hi is there a pin for reseting the errors
[07:13:38] <skunkworks> what errors?
[07:13:41] <jthornton> I think so if you mean the pop ups in Axis?
[07:13:46] <plasma_ger> yes
[07:13:54] <jthornton> morning skunkworks
[07:14:03] <skunkworks> Good morning!
[07:14:04] <plasma_ger> halui.abort does not do this
[07:15:49] <skunkworks> ugh http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/axis.html#_axisui_pins
[07:15:57] <skunkworks> not quick enough
[07:15:57] <jthornton> axisui.notifications-clear
[07:16:02] <jthornton> lol
[07:16:13] <plasma_ger> sorry i closed the frame
[07:16:18] <skunkworks> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/axis.html#_axisui_pins
[07:16:38] <jthornton> axisui.notifications-clear
[07:17:35] <skunkworks> we have been doing the whole30.. lost about 15lbs so far
[07:17:53] <plasma_ger> thanks
[07:18:18] <skunkworks> and about 1 week to go. but it has been good. I feel better.
[07:19:31] <plasma_ger> axisui.notifications-clear' does not exist
[07:19:49] <skunkworks> what version of linuxcnc?
[07:19:54] <plasma_ger> 2.8
[07:20:07] <skunkworks> and you are running the 'axis' gui?
[07:20:14] <plasma_ger> yes
[07:20:25] <plasma_ger> LINUXCNC - 2.8.0-pre1-1103-gb62f3d3
[07:21:41] <plasma_ger> sorry again its a miss
[07:22:03] <plasma_ger> closing the mozilla closes the chat
[07:22:44] <jthornton> run your config and open show hal to view the pins
[07:23:06] <skunkworks_> 82 bit IN FALSE axisui.notifications-clear
[07:23:08] <skunkworks_> 82 bit IN FALSE axisui.notifications-clear-error
[07:23:09] <skunkworks_> 82 bit IN FALSE axisui.notifications-clear-info
[07:23:11] <skunkworks_> 82 bit IN FALSE axisui.resume-inhibit
[07:23:18] <skunkworks> they show up here
[07:23:49] <plasma_ger> they show up als here
[07:24:00] <skunkworks> you need to use a post_gui file - they don't get created until after the gui starts.
[07:24:02] <plasma_ger> i did this in the xhc hal
[07:24:14] <plasma_ger> ok
[07:24:31] <jthornton> you need to connect in postgui.hal
[07:24:45] <lair82> Good morning Guys, does look like a decent laptop, to be able to load ubuntu or debian on, I am looking for a laptop, that I can have dual bootable between windows and ubuntu/debian. http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/latit/en/latitude-e6520-specsheet.pdf
[07:24:46] <jthornton> what is whole30?
[07:25:12] <skunkworks> it mainly cuts out proccessed foods, sugar/sweetner, glutin and such
[07:25:37] <skunkworks> it is to find out what your body is reacting to.
[07:25:51] <skunkworks> oh - and dairy
[07:25:53] <jthornton> this is my plan http://gnipsel.com/gravity/index.html
[07:28:21] <Jymmm> Heh, oooops http://fortune.com/2015/07/17/google-sued-for-keeping-cash-balance-on-google-play-gift-cards/
[07:30:17] <plasma_ger> THANKS it works perfect i did a xhc-hb04 improve with the icons to show action i will mail it to the list
[07:30:23] <plasma_ger> if all is cleard up
[07:30:26] <Tom_itx> i can tell you this works: http://dashdiet.org/default.asp
[07:30:30] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop,
[07:31:22] <plasma_ger> Someone here knowes if mesa products are availabel in Germany
[07:31:38] <jthornton> I would think yes
[07:31:57] <jthornton> I think there is a local supplier of Mesa in the EU
[07:32:03] <plasma_ger> did not found enything onlychech duzy
[07:32:44] <plasma_ger> the mesa people are here in the chat sometimes
[07:32:46] <jthornton> EuSurplus
[07:33:11] <jthornton> that is emcPT on the forum
[07:36:35] <Tom_itx> jthornton, i mainly did that for BP but you will lose with it
[07:37:12] <jthornton> since I changed my eating habits my BP is down to 120/70
[07:37:26] <Tom_itx> mine is usually close to that now
[07:37:26] <jthornton> as well as riding my mountain bike of course
[07:37:29] <plasma_ger> Thanks BYE
[07:37:47] <Tom_itx> bottom was close to 100 before
[07:37:55] <Jymmm> ?!
[07:37:58] <jthornton> ouch that is high
[07:38:04] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[07:38:23] * Jymmm slaps a home made AED on Tom_itx
[07:38:27] <jthornton> my wife has high BP
[07:38:52] <Tom_itx> my sis recently had a mild stroke due to it more than likely
[07:39:17] <Tom_itx> it will bring it down if you follow it. no meds
[07:41:18] <Tom_itx> the mrs found it looking on the mayo clinic
[07:41:36] <jthornton> oh crumb debian wheezy only has golang version 1.0.2 and the latest is 1.5
[07:42:02] <Tom_itx> figures
[07:42:35] <jthornton> I wonder if I can get 1.5
[07:43:19] <Jymmm> I read this and went FUCK ME, that's all we need Monsanto creating GMO Beer... "Brewing merger and Monsanto's growth plans--5 things to know today" http://fortune.com/2015/10/07/top-business-news-wednesday-october-7/
[07:44:29] <SpeedEvil> Aww. I misread as GMO bear.
[07:44:42] <Jymmm> that even worse!
[07:47:22] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: But, since you mentioend bears... www.youtube.com/watch?v=PerOmnky0kA
[07:48:28] <SpeedEvil> Dog got balls.
[07:48:45] <Jymmm> Yeah, he does! That just happened this week too =)
[07:49:04] <Jymmm> http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-french-bulldog-3-bears-20151005-story.html
[07:57:59] <Jymmm> jthornton: WB
[07:58:28] <Jymmm> Coffee is FINALLY ready! Only took 20 minutes =(
[07:59:08] <norias> mmmmmm
[07:59:11] <norias> coffeee
[08:01:44] <Jymmm> Our coffee maker died earlier this week, so it's been camp coffee ever since. Always tastes damn good, just takes much longer and not as convienant.
[08:04:48] <Jymmm> Damn, 1300 gal per hour?! http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-1007-lopez-water-glutton-20151007-column.html
[08:10:45] <norias> i saw
[08:10:47] <norias> coffee
[08:10:56] <norias> and 1300 gal per hour
[08:11:07] <Jymmm> hahaha
[08:11:11] <Deejay> too much coffee is not good
[08:11:39] <Jymmm> Deejay: There is no such thing as "too much coffee", maybe "not enough bathrooms" though =)
[08:11:58] <Deejay> hmm. i don't drink any coffee...
[08:12:29] <skunkworks> I never used to. Now I drink a pot a day or so...
[08:13:14] <Jymmm> Heh, coffee here is on 24/7/365 =)
[08:13:19] <Jymmm> pretty much
[08:13:32] <Deejay> you are addicted
[08:13:36] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: 1300 galons an hour may be too much coffee
[08:13:57] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: But they have 12 bathrooms, so it's okey ;)
[08:16:03] <Jymmm> OH, do metal gutter guards work?
[08:34:35] <ssi> morn
[08:37:01] <Jymmm> in
[08:40:38] <SpeedEvil> h
[08:42:31] <MacGalempsy> alright we be homing on the y!
[08:43:38] <ssi> woooo
[08:45:04] <MacGalempsy> yeah, had to pull is apart.
[08:45:25] <MacGalempsy> the metal gaurd was bent in such a way that it was touching, but I couldnt see it while its on
[08:52:22] <MacGalempsy> anyone else end up watching the gold recovery after watching that mirror making video?
[08:52:37] <MacGalempsy> Iam wondering why these guys arent grinding it all to a powder
[08:53:31] <ssi> I didn't see that video but I have watched a bunch of gold recovery stuff
[08:53:38] <MacGalempsy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZN7TZM6Trg
[08:53:40] <ssi> I Was thinking about trying to do some of that, but I decided it's not worth the hassle
[08:53:51] <MacGalempsy> this guy is using an air hammer to take the boards down
[08:54:18] <ssi> torch is probably easier
[08:54:25] <MacGalempsy> holy crap he just wasted a mesa 5i25!
[08:54:33] <MacGalempsy> heh. j/k
[08:54:35] <ssi> lol
[08:54:41] <ssi> there's not much gold in a 5i25
[08:55:00] <ssi> I'm watching it without sound and it's just a bunch of him fondling his chisel
[08:55:11] <MacGalempsy> yeah, he's in love with it
[08:55:14] <ssi> :)
[08:55:59] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIZhDoNOeJk - Friction welding on the drillpress.
[08:56:00] <SpeedEvil> (badly)
[08:56:15] <SpeedEvil> Anyone played with this on non-dedicated machinery with good results?
[08:58:34] <ssi> this is a disaster lol
[08:58:53] <MacGalempsy> haha. he needs to clamp things down
[08:59:06] <CaptHindsight> only when the point of contact is the parts and not the tool
[09:00:14] <CaptHindsight> one part is stationary in the vise, the other is the part in a chuck and the point of contact is only between the two parts
[09:00:18] <SpeedEvil> MacGalempsy: I especially like the clouds of smoke.
[09:00:23] <MacGalempsy> maybe he should just work on welding the bit to the workpiece instead of two things together
[09:00:32] <MacGalempsy> the coughing is nice too
[09:00:57] <MacGalempsy> nothing like a hit off galvanized
[09:01:15] <SpeedEvil> I suspect a smear of flux might help in the way he's trying to do it
[09:01:50] <CaptHindsight> but he has welding of bits to sheets down pretty well, if you need that
[09:02:03] <MacGalempsy> the next video has them doing a butt joint and look at all those clamps
[09:02:08] <MacGalempsy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVxFu5HR98E
[09:02:41] <MacGalempsy> I think the DIY guy was using too much down force and not letting the spinning do the heating
[09:02:48] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzCBQh8B_RY Flow Drilling - Friction Drilling - Form Drilling. Basically, you create your own inserts.
[09:03:51] <SpeedEvil> I think doing it on non-dedicated equipment is going to be limited to very small diameters
[09:04:32] <MacGalempsy> CaptHindsight: that one looks the best so far
[09:04:33] <ssi> what is the advantage of stir welding
[09:04:47] <SpeedEvil> ssi: you don't have to heat it all the way to molten - much lower HAZ
[09:04:50] <ssi> I see
[09:05:45] <SpeedEvil> I note the _massive_ flywheel on the chuck
[09:06:22] <ssi> hey is rolling external threads the same as form tapping?
[09:06:54] <MacGalempsy> we had a thread roller at this bike shop I worked at
[09:07:00] <MacGalempsy> for spokes
[09:07:25] <ssi> I would like to be able to roll 10-32 threads in stainless
[09:08:15] <ssi> I guess it's not the sort of thing you can set up to do on a conventional lathe
[09:08:20] <MacGalempsy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjckF0-VeGI anyone ever drill a square hole?
[09:08:34] <SpeedEvil> Aren't external threads usually rolled using two flat dies?
[09:09:20] <SpeedEvil> maybe that's just for high production - bolts
[09:09:30] <MacGalempsy> rolled would be stronger
[09:09:47] <ssi> I know, that's why I want to be able to do it
[09:10:00] <ssi> flying wires and drag wires on biplanes are stainless with rolled threads
[09:10:08] <SpeedEvil> http://www.formdrill-usa.com/formtap.htm - on that page.
[09:10:14] <SpeedEvil> On the top.
[09:10:14] <ssi> and it'd be nice to be able to make them
[09:10:24] <SpeedEvil> Why would you drill lightening holes in a flywheel?
[09:10:38] <MacGalempsy> balancing?
[09:10:45] <SpeedEvil> MacGalempsy: naah
[09:10:56] <SpeedEvil> All the way through
[09:11:29] <MacGalempsy> maybe some kind of high performance engine?
[09:11:44] <SpeedEvil> MacGalempsy: it's above. It's a part of a 'formdrill'
[09:11:52] <SpeedEvil> or used with
[09:12:12] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[09:12:17] <ssi> I hate when I put my headphones on to watch a video and it wasn't worth the effort
[09:12:18] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if it could be for heat dissipation
[09:12:19] <MacGalempsy> ah
[09:12:22] <ssi> #firstworldproblems
[09:12:34] <MacGalempsy> I though we were talking abot a car
[09:13:18] <MacGalempsy> what is the price on a formdrill?
[09:13:40] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: 3x more than you want it to be =)
[09:14:17] <MacGalempsy> http://www.formdrill-usa.com/catalog3.htm
[09:14:20] <MacGalempsy> WOW!
[09:14:42] <ssi> sounds about right :P
[09:15:15] <CaptHindsight> http://vansantent.trick-tools.com/tools/Form-Drill
[09:15:25] <SpeedEvil> Ah yes - 'with cooling fan'
[09:15:32] <MacGalempsy> just grind down an old carbide endmill to a point, and make a collet
[09:15:41] <MacGalempsy> tool holder
[09:16:43] <CaptHindsight> make a DIY formdrill howto
[09:17:15] <SpeedEvil> Odd thtat there is no pricelist for the bits
[09:17:16] <CaptHindsight> turn your old endmills into cash
[09:17:18] <MacGalempsy> ok. after my other machine is finished
[09:17:36] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: check my link ^^
[09:17:51] <SpeedEvil> oh
[09:17:55] <CaptHindsight> $125-$250
[09:18:06] <MacGalempsy> look at the flywheel in the kit, its different
[09:18:17] <MacGalempsy> looks more like impellers
[09:18:27] <SpeedEvil> yeah - $246 for one bit.
[09:18:37] <SpeedEvil> I'm having at a lump of carbide with an angle-grinder
[09:18:50] <CaptHindsight> kits are $750
[09:19:06] <CaptHindsight> made in the USA!
[09:19:30] <MacGalempsy> amazing. but it reads redneck engineering all over the place
[09:20:14] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: And your point is?
[09:20:29] <MacGalempsy> amazing that it is made in USA
[09:20:43] <MacGalempsy> but not surprised because we have the best rednecks
[09:21:02] <ssi> I need to find something to spend $5100 on real quick
[09:21:26] <lair82> ssi, you could donate it to me ;)
[09:21:31] <ssi> I could
[09:21:42] <ssi> only if you take credit cards
[09:21:49] <Jymmm> I do =)
[09:22:03] <lair82> Where do I send the info?
[09:22:07] <MacGalempsy> paypal?
[09:22:16] <ssi> I'm not sure paypal will work
[09:22:24] <ssi> I tried to just transfer the money from the card to paypal and it wouldn't let me
[09:22:36] <Jymmm> as cash?
[09:22:43] <ssi> I guess
[09:22:49] <ssi> it's a prepaid card, so it's cash already
[09:22:55] <MacGalempsy> sounds like a good trip to grainger
[09:22:56] <lair82> Why are you trying to spend 5100 real quick?
[09:23:09] <ssi> because it's on a prepaid card that was tied to an interest bearing savings account
[09:23:15] <ssi> and they randomly closed it and opened a different one
[09:23:18] <ssi> and I have to move the money
[09:23:22] <CaptHindsight> I have a supply of left handed wrenches for $5100 in metric and imperial, very shiny :)
[09:23:24] <ssi> but it won't let me move it to the new account
[09:23:28] <ssi> so I just need to spend it apparently :)
[09:23:37] <ssi> I was thinking about ordering a 4x8' cncrouterparts.com motion kit
[09:23:45] <lair82> Aaaahhh,
[09:24:10] <ssi> I was planning on trying to build a laser around that kit
[09:24:15] <ssi> but I'm not 100% sure that's the right way to go
[09:24:21] <lair82> I have a 48" metric pipe wrench on sale for $5099, delivered
[09:24:53] <CaptHindsight> lair82: I think those are for tightening only like my wrenches
[09:25:35] <lair82> Very true,
[09:25:36] <MacGalempsy> well gents, its time for me to get out of here. it was fun and see yall later
[09:26:06] <CaptHindsight> ssi: buy a truckload of t-slot for whatever
[09:26:17] <lair82> With mine, he could still go buy a coke after wards
[09:26:32] <Jymmm> Shasta maybe =)
[09:26:38] <ssi> yeah coke is more than $1 these days
[09:26:47] <ssi> I won't pay a penny over $5097
[09:27:13] <lair82> Oh come on, that shits made down by you, it has to be cheap ;)
[09:27:30] <ssi> headquarters is across the street from me
[09:28:14] <lair82> So they don't have a free refreshment stand on the front of the building, like a self serve pop stand?
[09:28:24] <ssi> not that I'm aware of
[09:29:17] <ssi> maybe I ought to just go ahead and order the laser tube and power supply
[09:29:48] <lair82> Just be careful with this one :)
[09:29:52] <ssi> NEVARRRR
[09:30:25] <lair82> I'm sure your ins guys is probably still a little peeved at you
[09:30:37] <ssi> nah
[09:30:47] <ssi> if it happens again they might be upset :)
[09:31:03] <lair82> Yeah, I bet
[09:31:21] <ssi> hm I wonder if I can get a reci tube on amazon prime :D
[09:31:27] <ssi> hell no
[09:32:08] <lair82> Did you ever end up getting those MB's that I sent to you, I remember those were delivered there after that?
[09:32:16] <ssi> yeah I got them
[09:32:41] <lair82> Ok, I just remembered that
[09:32:52] <ssi> is everything on alibaba.com counterfeit?
[09:33:29] <ssi> or aliexpress?
[09:34:15] <Jymmm> Yeah, unless you like your laser's extra crispy.... http://imgur.com/CJbmq8C
[09:34:37] <ssi> was that a counterfeit tube, or just a cheap one
[09:35:10] <Jymmm> Neither, just just answered the door and walked away from the laser for two minutes.
[09:35:25] <ssi> that's yours?
[09:35:32] <Jymmm> Nope
[09:36:03] <Jymmm> Ins Co denied claim too, so she was out $32K USD
[09:36:19] <ssi> that's rough
[09:36:23] <ssi> what kind of machine is it
[09:36:33] <Jymmm> I think it was ULS
[09:37:26] <Jymmm> http://imgur.com/ALrqkDE
[09:37:46] <ssi> I would just buy a commercial machine if they weren't all worthless shitty corel-draw-plugin crap controls
[09:38:07] <Jymmm> LOL
[09:38:45] <Jymmm> It's actually a printer driver you install
[09:38:52] <ssi> yeah
[09:38:54] <ssi> that's not what I want
[09:38:55] <ssi> at all
[09:39:06] <Jymmm> It works GREAT!
[09:41:36] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coherent-MetaBeam-Laser-Cutting-Machine-400-Watts-Pallet-Changer-Metal-Cutting-/252086089271
[09:41:58] <Jymmm> I don't like being dependent upon M$, but a VM and ethernet print server works awesome!
[09:42:13] <ssi> I flat refuse to use anything that requires me to run windows in any way
[09:42:18] <ssi> except solidworks, because I'm still stuck there
[09:42:38] <Jymmm> by choice =)
[09:42:51] <ssi> sure, by choice
[09:42:56] <ssi> I choose to have a cad tool to use
[09:43:08] <ssi> I also choose not to further encumber my life with windows bullshit
[09:43:14] <ssi> especially in the shop
[09:44:24] <ssi> so I need to find someone who has a reci 80, 100, or 130w tube that ships from the us
[09:44:32] <ssi> always a difficult task :(
[09:44:51] <Jymmm> Not really =)
[09:44:55] <ssi> point me
[09:45:00] <ssi> I used lightobject before
[09:45:04] <ssi> but they don't have them in stock currently
[09:45:04] <ssi> http://www.lightobject.com/High-Quality-Reci-100W-S4-CO2-Sealed-Laser-Tube-10000hrs-P119.aspx
[09:46:53] <ssi> I'm not really willing to spend $600 on shipping
[09:47:23] <SpeedEvil> So wait
[09:47:41] <ssi> that's sort of at odds with the "gotta spend this money" goal
[09:47:42] <ssi> ;)
[09:48:17] <SpeedEvil> Also, the 100W shows as in stock
[09:48:34] <ssi> in stock in china
[09:48:35] <ssi> Please note: The RECI S4 100W laser tube is curently out of stock in our U.S warehouse. All customers need to choose " HK outbound" as shippping method as we will ship the tube directly to our customers by DHL express from our warehouse in China. It will take 3-4 weeks for the package to be delivered after the order is placed.
[09:48:38] <SpeedEvil> ah
[09:48:46] <ssi> $200 shipping from cali, $600 shipping from china
[09:50:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.lightobject.com/SPT-C130-130W-CO2-Sealed-Laser-Tube-P966.aspx
[09:50:06] <SpeedEvil> does not say it ships from china
[09:50:30] <ssi> yeah none of the spt tubes say whether they're shipping locally
[09:50:47] <ssi> I'd really prefer a reci, these even claim 25% of the lifespan
[09:50:52] <CaptHindsight> $200 would cover it being trucked on a pallet from Cali
[09:50:54] <ssi> half the price for 25% of the lifespan
[09:51:03] <SpeedEvil> you Click add to cart, and see
[09:51:31] <SpeedEvil> Or DIY
[09:51:54] * SpeedEvil ponders a nice hot TEA.
[09:52:26] <ssi> http://rabbitlaserusa.com/WebShop/index.html
[09:52:40] <ssi> hm their 80W tube is a reci Z2 I'm pretty sure, and they're claiming $75 shipping
[09:52:44] <ssi> that's not horrible
[09:53:19] <SpeedEvil> i just got 10 1800mm tubes for $200
[09:53:25] <SpeedEvil> but - admittedly not lasers.
[09:57:04] <ssi> hey now we're talking
[09:57:04] <ssi> http://laser-depot-usa.com/reci-s4-100w-1400mm-laser-tube-free-shipping-191
[10:02:47] <ssi> lol, $14,995 for a machine, and they have a zero % in house financing program
[10:02:51] <Jymmm> dont forget the PS
[10:02:52] <ssi> $11,595 down and 12 payments of $700/mo
[10:02:53] <ssi> lol
[10:03:46] <ssi> lots of bad shit on the internet about the guy that runs that site
[10:03:51] <ssi> he's had like three different laser companies
[10:04:00] <ssi> takes peoples' money and bankrupts the company, starts a new one
[10:05:04] <Jymmm> Lovely
[10:06:22] <ssi> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/complaint-and-praise-discussions/199700-software.html
[10:06:47] <Jymmm> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/hurricane-laser/143439-sketchiness-surrounding-hurricane-lasers-4.html
[10:07:36] <ssi> maybe I should fly to vegas and try to buy it in person :P
[10:07:51] <Jymmm> The address is a box =)
[10:08:48] <ssi> bleh I'll just email lightobject and see when they intend to have stock in the us
[10:08:55] <ssi> they treated me well the first time around
[10:09:27] <CaptHindsight> toy SCARA https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1849283018/makerarm-the-first-robotic-arm-that-makes-anything
[10:10:06] <ssi> cute
[10:13:36] <ssi> CaptHindsight: are there other commercial on demand 3d printing companies besides shapeways that you're aware of?
[10:14:26] <CaptHindsight> ssi: lots
[10:15:08] <ssi> I have a customer that wants me to do solid models of all the parts they're working on, and 3d print fitment prototypes
[10:15:23] <ssi> but most of them are bigger than the build volume of my machine, and awkward to 3d print on a reprap style machine
[10:15:56] <ssi> I'm trying to find info on the shapeways site about what their max part size is
[10:15:57] <SpeedEvil> ssi: where are you?
[10:16:00] <ssi> atlanta
[10:16:29] <ssi> bleh I should have exported an stl at home before I left
[10:16:34] <ssi> don't have solidworks installed here
[10:16:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.additive3d.com/sbcisel.htm
[10:17:20] <ssi> https://www.citim-am.com
[10:17:27] <ssi> damn if I could get sls aluminum parts made that'd be awesome
[10:17:44] <ssi> probably prohibitively expensive
[10:18:30] <SpeedEvil> 3d printed aluminium with integrated anodisign
[10:22:22] <Roguish> ssi: 3d print the parts in pieces and glue them together. I've done it in the past for large parts. works fine.
[10:22:53] <ssi> yeah, I will if I have to
[10:22:56] <Roguish> or build a large 3D printer.
[10:23:05] <ssi> but for the hourly rate that he's paying me to do this, it'd probably be cheaper to contract the prints
[10:23:26] <Roguish> hopefully you can pass thru the cost plus a markup.
[10:23:35] <ssi> yeah definitely
[10:24:00] <ssi> I'm pretty sure commercial prints will be cheaper than me screwing with trying to cut the models into pieces and glue them up
[10:26:08] <CaptHindsight> ssi: what sizes are the parts? roughly
[10:26:32] <ssi> the biggest one I looked at was about 11" wide by 3" deep by 7" tall
[10:26:44] <ssi> and they're fuel manifolds, mostly round, no good flat base to start with on a lot of them
[10:27:39] <ssi> this is the only one I have drawn so far
[10:27:39] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQuRyK4WcAAhlMW.png:large
[10:27:49] <ssi> I started with it because it's one of the easier ones for me to print
[10:27:59] <ssi> flat base, minimum overhang, fits within my volume
[10:28:04] <ssi> although might be too tall actually
[10:28:09] <ssi> it's about 5.5" tall :/
[10:28:16] <ssi> 2" od tubing
[10:29:22] <CaptHindsight> you typically add supports to parts that you break away after
[10:29:39] <ssi> yeah I know
[10:29:57] <ssi> but for instance, one of the parts is 11" long and has three downward facing flanges from a central manifold
[10:30:03] <ssi> and the flanges are all at different Z depths
[10:30:12] <ssi> that's gonna be an asshole to print unless I do it in sections
[10:33:50] <CaptHindsight> SLA with water soluble resin and investment cast in aluminum
[10:34:05] <ssi> SLA with water soluble resin is enough alone
[10:34:10] <ssi> cast aluminum won't do for the final part anyway
[10:34:19] <ssi> the prints are just for fitment
[10:34:30] <ssi> these are fuel fittings for a 737
[10:34:42] <CaptHindsight> whats the actual material for the final parts?
[10:34:48] <CaptHindsight> ah
[10:34:50] <ssi> 6061-T4, welded and heat treated
[10:35:02] <ssi> yes, the prints specify T4, and no we can't use T6
[10:35:07] <ssi> :P
[10:35:23] <anomynous_> can aluminium be heat treated? ;D
[10:35:26] <ssi> absolutely
[10:35:31] <anomynous_> what does it do?
[10:35:38] <ssi> same thing it does in steel
[10:35:43] <ssi> changes the hardness and ductility
[10:37:14] <anomynous_> less dramatic change? Can it be done with a torch? ;D
[10:37:27] <ssi> aluminum has to be pretty carefully controlled
[10:37:37] <ssi> and this is aerospace parts, so no I don't think doing it with a torch is gonna cut it :)
[10:37:51] <anomynous_> do they provide similar heat treating manuals they do for some steels?
[10:37:57] <ssi> I imagine so
[10:38:02] <anomynous_> torch is absolutely fine for aerospace parts
[10:38:03] <anomynous_> ;D
[10:38:12] <ssi> not according to the regs
[10:38:15] <Jymmm> ssi: table saw with carbide tip blade =)
[10:38:36] <ssi> Jymmm: eh?
[10:38:51] <ganzuul> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICub GPL cable-bot. Has a creepy head, but seems to be legit otherwise.
[10:39:16] <ssi> ganzuul: neat
[10:40:09] <Jymmm> creepy head indeed
[10:40:36] <Jymmm> ganzuul: almost a young ssi.
[10:40:45] <ssi> man I'm way creepier than that
[10:41:08] <ganzuul> lol
[10:41:19] <ganzuul> svn co https://svn.robotology.eu/repos/iCubHardware-pub/trunk/mechanics/
[10:41:57] <ganzuul> Maybe I can mass-produce these for my ninja robot army.
[10:42:09] <ganzuul> A tiny ninja robot army, but...
[10:42:15] <Jymmm> ganzuul: Here is a pic of ssi at a young age... http://imgur.com/AvPA4cU
[10:42:41] <ganzuul> I think that little gremlin visits my machine too...
[10:46:40] <Jymmm> What a beautiful map, and it's not google either for a change http://www.cnrfc.noaa.gov/google.php?type=QPF
[10:47:07] <Jymmm> and fast too
[10:47:55] <fenn> someone built my tensegrity hexapod idea: http://youtu.be/cJCsomGwdk0
[10:48:44] <ssi> fenn: that's pretty cool
[10:48:45] <fenn> 350kW of cable winches
[10:49:11] <ssi> looks like it's begging to be a flight sim
[10:50:28] <ssi> hm you know, I actually have a room to build one in
[10:50:33] <ssi> 60x60x20'
[10:50:41] <Jymmm> More like begging to be a attraction ride at $20-$40 a pop =)
[10:50:58] <fenn> don't need a room, just a big pit and some concrete pylons
[10:51:12] <ssi> couple years ago I thought about building a four cable bot for a load positioner
[10:51:21] <ssi> like a super flexible gantry crane
[10:52:35] <ssi> Wolf_: you here?
[10:52:42] <Wolf_> yo
[10:52:50] <ssi> I just opened up that stmbl project in eagle
[10:52:58] <ssi> have you messed with the designlink stuff in eagle?
[10:53:05] <ssi> it shows me the bom with PRICES
[10:53:09] <Wolf_> not really
[10:53:38] <Wolf_> hmm
[10:53:42] <ssi> this is pretty cool
[10:54:18] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQuX5XXXAAA-SDI.jpg:large
[10:55:16] <ganzuul> 4.7H? Is that correct?
[10:55:17] <ssi> I think it's using newark for prices tho :P
[10:55:27] <archivist> the toy calibrating a stylus https://youtu.be/8XIscw-ciEg
[10:55:48] <ssi> ganzuul: no it's 4.7 uH
[10:55:49] <Wolf_> yeah, that might work,but the damn BOM still won’t print right lol
[10:56:20] <ganzuul> Oh, right. The itemized list is wrong.
[10:57:00] <ganzuul> I was thinking that must be huge, and incorporating some tech I'm not privvy to. And mispriced.
[10:58:57] <Wolf_> ssi: that tool only does one part at a time lol
[11:00:12] <ssi> hm
[11:00:37] <Wolf_> its only searching the part value
[11:03:42] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjNOe1yphDg
[11:04:05] <CaptHindsight> archivist: you found the secret to unlock the software?
[11:04:18] <ssi> linuxcnc edm?!
[11:04:28] <archivist> CaptHindsight, no, just the secret to calibrating a stylus
[11:04:52] <archivist> shite software in the extreme
[11:06:16] <archivist> note how it goes around the sphere from multiple directions, most I see in here seem to expect a single probing direction
[11:06:28] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4CGqzhOXpA
[11:06:38] <ganzuul> EDM not submerged...? :o
[11:07:15] <Wolf_> I watched that same vid yesterday lol
[11:10:13] <ssi> skunkworks: that's pretty impressive
[11:11:43] <skunkworks> he must be measuring spark voltage and using adaptive feed
[11:20:07] <cradek> it cuts very fast!
[11:43:03] <JT-Shop> well crumb, I removed an important package by mistake and now I can't get past the log in screen in the beercave
[11:43:34] <skunkworks> ctl-alt-f1?
[11:43:44] <JT-Shop> I'll go try it
[11:50:01] <Tom_itx> just requires the secret beercave password
[12:05:28] * jthornton just learned not to edit /etc/environment
[12:09:54] <Jymmm> LMAO https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=K3a8dTtc4Zo#t=160
[12:10:42] <archivist> I have learned that win8 is a barsteward to fix when the owner didnt make a usb OS backup
[12:25:57] <Jymmm> archivist: I'm surprised that _YOU_ are still using M$
[12:29:30] * JT-Shop can't even get office to print a stupid envelope without crashing
[12:32:35] <Wolf_> office works fine for me, Oh wait, I’m on mac… :P
[12:32:35] <JT-Shop> my mac is broken
[12:33:41] * JT-Shop wishes linux could print an envelope
[12:34:11] <cradek> dude get a selectric
[12:34:12] <Wolf_> get a dymo label printer
[12:34:20] <JT-Shop> I have one
[12:34:21] <cradek> heh
[12:34:33] <JT-Shop> of each
[12:35:45] <MrSunshine> http://hackaday.com/2015/10/07/arms-and-fpgas-make-for-interesting-dev-boards/ the new board for linuxcnc? =)
[12:46:51] <ganzuul> $150 isn't bad for those specs.
[12:49:59] <archivist> Jymmm, I am fixing other peoples crap
[12:56:06] <ganzuul> One of those oscillating multi-tools that hardware stores are hawking could be used as a power-scraper, right?
[12:59:03] <Wolf_> braze a bit to a sawzall blade?
[12:59:56] <Wolf_> fucker, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Renishaw-probe-/272008962013?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=VSo8kX9yXwQHjdHEcPp7LHgOj4U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc I put that on my watch list last night and the SOB relisted it this morning....
[13:03:36] <C_P-Away> Sup wolf.
[13:04:43] <Wolf_> not much
[13:04:55] <ganzuul> Wolf_: Maybe... Looking for something less ear-splitting loud which still isn't manual labor.
[13:05:26] <Wolf_> HAH
[13:06:12] <Wolf_> oscillating tool is way louder then a sawzall
[13:06:51] <archivist> metal scraping is a manual process, dont need no power tool
[13:07:13] <archivist> actually makes a poor job of it
[13:07:20] <Wolf_> unless you are starting with a sieg, then ya might as well mill it first :P
[13:07:57] <archivist> you can be assured of oils grooves with a power scraper
[13:08:34] <Wolf_> man I’m pissed that I missed that renishaw for $150 :/
[13:08:34] <ganzuul> hm
[13:11:29] <archivist> just keep watching, I have found cheap renishaw :)
[13:11:29] <Wolf_> it was listed as bid only last night… they re-listed as buy it now this morning sometime
[13:11:29] <lair82_> Does anyone know if the Carousel component is in the 2.7 release, or do I need to be running master?
[13:13:23] <Contract_Pilot> Could not help myself orderd 7 of them 48V PSU's.
[13:13:43] <Wolf_> haha
[13:14:18] <Contract_Pilot> They are now out of stock. http://www.walmart.com/ip/46914656
[13:14:37] <Wolf_> still waiting for mine to get here
[13:14:55] <Contract_Pilot> I am still waiting on 3 motors and drivers haha
[13:15:03] <Contract_Pilot> 2 should have been here today.
[13:15:25] <Contract_Pilot> Need to locate good tray cable.
[13:22:16] <Contract_Pilot> May rob them for parts.
[13:33:25] <Contract_Pilot> Looking at the Circuit on mine they using 200V caps they should be Min 220V or better 250V
[13:45:23] <Wolf_> the psu?
[13:47:31] <archivist> for 120 in 200vw is quite safe as straight rectified from mains is 169.68
[13:47:52] <fenn> they have a 110/220V switch on the side
[13:48:34] <archivist> I have seen caps in series in some of the psus over here
[13:50:00] <ganzuul> http://conradhoffman.com/stellite.htm
[13:50:03] * ganzuul wants
[13:51:55] <furrywolf> that page would be a lot more readable without that background image.
[13:53:41] <ganzuul> I kinda like nice Web 1.0 pages.
[13:54:12] <ganzuul> furrywolf: Do you have an IPS or a TN panel?
[13:54:46] * furrywolf has no idea what that is
[13:57:33] <ganzuul> Different LCD panel technologies. IPS has a picture quality comparable to CRTs, but more power consumption and more $$$.
[13:57:50] <furrywolf> I have an LCD. :P
[13:57:55] * furrywolf has no idea what type
[13:58:09] <ganzuul> Does the brightness change with viewing angle?
[13:58:31] <archivist> I have an EIZO and that site looked ok to me
[13:58:55] <furrywolf> it's a 13" laptop lcd...
[14:00:45] <ganzuul> No wonder you're so grumpy!
[14:25:41] <aventtini6> hello hello
[14:26:03] <aventtini6> today first milling parts test
[14:26:11] <aventtini6> video
[14:26:13] <aventtini6> :)))
[14:26:57] <furrywolf> I need to build my electronics enclosure so I can do more milling... but have too many other projects.
[14:41:50] <furrywolf> so, I'm looking at a harbor freight heavy-duty battery switch. "1000 amp surge at 12V, 500 amp surge at 24V" seems to be the entirety of its specs. huh? no continuous current rating? and why does the surge rating depend on voltage, something normally only applied to interruption ratings?
[14:44:27] <ganzuul> Joule heating should go down with amperage...
[14:44:33] <ganzuul> But that's wattage.
[14:45:05] <furrywolf> heh, found a review of it which states "MAX. CONTINUOUS CURRENT: 150 AMPS @ 12V"
[14:45:15] <furrywolf> which is pathetic. harbor freight!
[14:46:02] <ganzuul> Electric breakdown of air is ~ 1 000 000 V/m.
[14:47:08] <furrywolf> heating only has to do with the amperage through the switch, not the voltage it's floating at. as far as the switch cares, unless the voltage is so high it arcs to the mounting screws, 1000A at 12V and 1000A at 1200V are the same... as long as the switch it closed. it's when you open the switch that voltage-dependent things happen.
[14:47:43] <furrywolf> in any case, that forum review answered my main question... 150A. my Blue Sea one is rated for 250A continuous. so that's the one I'm using!
[14:47:59] <furrywolf> s/forum/product
[14:47:59] <ganzuul> Might be you're using longer cables at 24V...
[14:48:17] <ganzuul> But that doesn't account for flyback effects, still.
[14:48:58] <ganzuul> ~wires
[14:49:14] <PetefromTn_> hey dudes!
[14:49:18] <ganzuul> \o/
[14:49:28] <PetefromTn_> :)
[14:49:43] <furrywolf> ...
[14:50:30] <ganzuul> Pete, I found open source robot stuff.
[14:50:41] <ganzuul> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICub
[14:51:02] <ganzuul> It has the same drive mechanism for the shoulder that WAM arm has.
[14:51:43] <ganzuul> ...the download for the CAD files is hueg. HUEG \o/
[14:51:45] <PetefromTn_> thats cool man but I don't know jack about robots..
[14:52:07] <PetefromTn_> my wife HATES any robot that is designed to mimic human beings
[14:52:20] <ganzuul> You talked about a paining robot.
[14:52:24] <PetefromTn_> maybe she watched Irobot one too many times
[14:52:25] <ganzuul> ~painting
[14:52:34] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah I was just kidding LOL
[14:52:51] <ganzuul> :p
[14:52:52] <furrywolf> speaking of robots, anyone have a picture or more info on the one tjtr33 is giving away? his forum post is lacking such.
[14:52:58] <JT-Shop2> what's the quick key to launch a terminal?
[14:53:32] <ganzuul> ctrl+esc give you anything?
[14:53:58] <JT-Shop2> no
[14:54:02] <PetefromTn_> wanna see my weld attempts today?
[14:54:09] <JT-Shop2> yea
[14:54:14] * furrywolf wants to take a nap
[14:54:25] * JT-Shop2 wonders when he sees the word attempts
[14:54:27] <PetefromTn_> I had to modify an existing down tube for a built RX7
[14:54:29] <ganzuul> Ctrl+esc usually does things...
[14:54:41] <PetefromTn_> they put a different turbo on it
[14:54:46] <ganzuul> In the GUI that is.
[14:54:52] <furrywolf> another fucking dark gloomy day. I hate dark gloomy days!
[14:54:55] <PetefromTn_> so the downtube had to be extended and angled somewhat to make it fit
[14:55:42] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/7478JOR
[14:56:14] <JT-Shop2> looks more than an attempt
[14:56:27] <JT-Shop2> you did that without a rotary?
[14:56:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah by hand
[14:56:43] <JT-Shop2> wow
[14:57:02] <ganzuul> nice
[14:57:03] * furrywolf checks craigslist for a tig welder. still none.
[14:57:13] <PetefromTn_> had to put the pipe vertically clamped in my old CNC vise so I could access it and then I spun it around on the welding table
[14:57:41] <PetefromTn_> looks okay you think? I am REALLY trying to improve my welding skills for these guys...
[14:58:10] <JT-Shop2> looks good to me
[14:58:23] <JT-Shop2> I wish I could see good enough to tig that nice
[14:58:42] <PetefromTn_> I wear reading glasses LOL
[14:58:45] <aventtini6> guys https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=JpMgOIIz3jw
[14:58:53] <aventtini6> first tests
[14:59:01] <aventtini6> 0,001 on all axis
[14:59:02] <JT-Shop2> me too and I have a special pair for tig welding
[14:59:03] <aventtini6> :))
[14:59:15] <furrywolf> I can see fine... my paws just don't do what I want them to do.
[14:59:23] <PetefromTn_> hey thats my youtube channel
[14:59:39] <ganzuul> aventtini6: not right link
[15:00:08] <aventtini6> its private?
[15:00:42] <aventtini6> with liniar scales
[15:00:42] <ganzuul> No, it's an edit link. Not a view link
[15:00:49] <aventtini6> aaa
[15:00:58] <aventtini6> https://youtu.be/JpMgOIIz3jw
[15:01:35] <Jymmm> archivist: Hey, I found an EXCELLENT use for those old computers you have laying around... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yEu2R1gYSs
[15:01:36] <Contract_Pilot> just got 10more of them driver deals this time 8.00ea
[15:01:57] <Contract_Pilot> So far they just send you whatever motor.
[15:02:13] <furrywolf> whatever motor? lol
[15:03:16] <aventtini6> old computer has gold
[15:03:19] <aventtini6> :)))
[15:03:28] <Praesmeodymium> aww I missed em today
[15:03:37] <aventtini6> 15 cpu 1,2 grams of gold
[15:03:41] <aventtini6> :))
[15:03:52] <JT-Shop2> PetefromTn_, think of any more restaurants in your area?
[15:03:53] <Jymmm> that much?
[15:04:07] <Jymmm> JT-Shop2: Where in TN
[15:04:28] <JT-Shop2> east
[15:04:30] <Praesmeodymium> Contract_Pilot: at 8$ deals are they sending nema 17's or nema 8's or what
[15:04:45] <XXCoder> nema0.01
[15:04:50] <aventtini6> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lXd85YfcvY
[15:04:52] <aventtini6> :))))
[15:04:59] <Contract_Pilot> The same part number i got nema23 425oz
[15:05:10] <ganzuul> aventtini6: What are you making? :)
[15:05:12] <aventtini6> injection molds
[15:05:14] <Jymmm> JT-Shop2: http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=&find_loc=tn&ns=1
[15:05:17] <Praesmeodymium> aventtini6: grats on getting it running
[15:05:29] <aventtini6> yep it was a hard stuff
[15:05:47] <aventtini6> still did not fix the ffff scale on the xhc04
[15:05:48] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxEhxjvifyY on ebay SSRs
[15:05:52] <Praesmeodymium> I mean I had nothing to do with it but its not often I see a ty video posted lol
[15:05:56] <aventtini6> but it works perfect
[15:06:05] <Contract_Pilot> Drivers ar M542 V2.0 and look to be built well.
[15:06:10] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop man there are hundreds of decent restaurants up there just depends on what you want to eat..
[15:06:23] <aventtini6> next is maho , bever , huron , and i think kryle
[15:06:24] <XXCoder> aventtini6: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/smiley_faces.png heh
[15:06:41] <aventtini6> :)))
[15:06:58] <JT-Shop2> if I'm gone for 2 hrs then that didn't work...
[15:09:25] <aventtini6> im still missing a large motor on my huron
[15:09:25] <aventtini6> hope some one change it and scarp it
[15:09:25] <Praesmeodymium> ahh I bought 2 nema 8's for an actual project, and they sent me one and refunded the other one, the 4 nema 23 appear to be arriving today
[15:09:25] <JT-Shop> pizza
[15:09:25] <JT-Shop> from a real pizza oven
[15:09:25] <PetefromTn_> hm I have not bought pizza up there but I am sure there is probably a good one...will have to research here abit
[15:10:36] <Contract_Pilot> Lets hope they send the 10 i just orderd.
[15:10:44] <Contract_Pilot> Check New Egg also
[15:10:54] <PetefromTn_> there is a place called no way jose's across from the Ripley's aquarium of the smokies that is pretty cool
[15:10:55] <PetefromTn_> if you like Mexican food
[15:12:10] <JT-Shop2> yep, I like Mexican and Korean and Italian and and
[15:12:10] <PetefromTn_> There is a Hard Rock Cafe up there and Joe's Crab Shack is in Pigeon Forge
[15:12:10] <JT-Shop> joe's is good
[15:12:11] <PetefromTn_> I really like Joe's Crab Shack for the crab
[15:12:15] <Contract_Pilot> I keep spending my Mesa Money.
[15:12:52] <Contract_Pilot> Same part number newegg they sent a 425oz not 78oz
[15:13:45] <ganzuul> The iCub CAD files total 9.1GB. o_O
[15:14:04] <JT-Shop> no way jose is in pigeon forge or gatlinburg?
[15:15:20] <Contract_Pilot> I have found with newegg that not all items show up.
[15:15:28] <PetefromTn_> actually Both LOL
[15:15:30] <Contract_Pilot> from the seller
[15:15:46] <JT-Shop> which one is closer to wear valley?
[15:15:47] <Contract_Pilot> If you bookmark the item it will show.
[15:17:51] <aventtini6> guy any sprutcam?
[15:18:58] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Motors-Drivers-Walmart-1024x576.jpg
[15:19:23] <XXCoder> all same mounts?
[15:19:27] <XXCoder> *size
[15:19:49] <Contract_Pilot> Except for the middle it was suposed to be a Nema34 they sent a 24 hahah
[15:20:54] <Contract_Pilot> the large one on the left was listed as a 78oz but showed up as a 425oz so i orderd 10 more hoping they send 425oz
[15:22:10] <CaptHindsight> and not 7.8oz :)
[15:22:23] <Contract_Pilot> But sold my old lathe motor today so spent that money.
[15:22:39] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, the drivers are worth 8.00
[15:23:02] <ganzuul> http://imgur.com/gallery/uLOao3O
[15:23:06] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Sumtor-elec-microstep-driver-MB450A-AKA-M542-1024x576.jpg
[15:40:00] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, you ever eat at Gepetto�s
[15:40:44] <PetefromTn_> no I have not but I think I have driven by it.
[15:41:00] <JT-Shop> lol
[15:41:10] <JT-Shop> http://www.visitmysmokies.com/blog/smoky-mountains/5-wears-valley-restaurants-didnt-know/
[15:41:17] <JT-Shop> I was reading that blog
[15:41:40] <PetefromTn_> here in maryville there is bella roma's and it is decent and there is a Metro pizza which is good too
[15:55:53] <kanzure> CaptHindsight: chemist is in the hplus channel at the moment if you have good questions to throw his way
[15:55:53] <ganzuul> "Made from alloy steel for excellent vibration control " What does this mean? What sort of alloy does that?
[15:59:16] <ganzuul> ...Is it bullpoop?
[15:59:24] <Contract_Pilot> I am tired coffee not working
[16:00:15] <XXCoder> Contract_Pilot: it is because coffee "wears down" with often use. your body get used to it
[16:00:28] <XXCoder> thats why i dont drink coffee
[16:01:57] <Contract_Pilot> need to get motovated to get these sherline machines wired up.
[16:02:27] <Contract_Pilot> Have all the parts i may just use some Cat 5 to get it going temp.
[16:03:02] <Contract_Pilot> Another junk store may have a 19" rack mount case.
[16:03:24] <Contract_Pilot> Woke up feeling like crud
[16:04:32] <Contract_Pilot> Wonder how well these steppers will work.
[16:07:47] <JT-Shop> sure wish I could figure out how to add user/local/bin/go/bin to the path
[16:12:31] <cradek_> why are you in that situation? something's gone all wrong.
[16:12:47] <JT-Shop> I want to us golang 1.5
[16:12:59] <cradek_> oh, not packaged?
[16:13:19] <JT-Shop> no, I get 1.0.1 or something like that
[16:13:55] <cradek_> sigh
[16:14:33] <JT-Shop> hmm wheezy-backports has 1.3.3
[16:14:39] <JT-Shop> that might be new enough
[16:14:47] <ganzuul> JT-Shop, PetefromTn_: Are those Maritools denser than carbon or low alloy steel?
[16:15:28] <JT-Shop> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/golang
[16:15:37] <JT-Shop> dunno what they are...
[16:16:06] <ganzuul> If it's 18% tungsten, maybe on can tell?
[16:16:37] <cradek_> it'd sure be better to use those packages
[16:20:59] <PetefromTn_> no idea man just got it LOL
[16:21:42] <MrSunshine> the new trajectory planer in 2.7, what are the benefits ?
[16:23:08] <cradek> gcode with lots of short moves can run faster
[16:24:07] <ganzuul> But I want to know its secrets!
[16:29:04] <MacGalempsy> good afternoon
[16:31:43] <ganzuul> harro
[16:37:41] <Deejay> gn8
[16:42:27] <JT-Shop> finally got it!
[16:47:53] <ganzuul> Me too!
[16:47:55] <ganzuul> http://www.atlasfdry.com/grayiron-damping.htm
[17:02:54] <furrywolf> cradek: g-code with a few long moves can run a lot faster too... someone in here had a very simple test case where 2.6.8 was exact-stopping for absolutely no reason at segments of a circle. 2.7 fixed it.
[17:09:47] <PetefromTn_> Finally got what?
[17:10:56] <lottefang> hi,every body
[17:11:59] <lottefang> Does usb4rt or usb20rt really works for linuxcnc?
[17:12:36] <furrywolf> as far as I know, no USB anything works with linuxcnc. it's a fundamental issue with USB, that it doesn't have real-time performance.
[17:13:36] <JT-Shop> well a USB mouse and keyboard work
[17:14:07] * furrywolf bets jt-shop wouldn't notice 50ms jitter. :)
[17:14:31] <JT-Shop> only if I'm awake
[17:14:42] <PCW> you might notice on a jog wheel
[17:14:57] <furrywolf> in any case, I haven't personally tested it - that's just what has been answered every time someone asks about USB... I think PCW has said it's not worth trying to make usb motion boards because of it.
[17:17:18] <Wolf_> my usb joystick aka ghetto pendant works good
[17:17:23] <PCW> That's my opinion after having made USB motion devices. In addition to being hard to make real time, its electrically fussy
[17:17:24] <PCW> and may go away for seconds at a time during noise triggered enumeration events
[17:17:59] <furrywolf> yes. I have frequent random USB resets on some systems. high-quality cables help, but nothing ever seems to completely eliminate them.
[17:18:00] <PetefromTn_> that's Baaad
[17:18:08] <furrywolf> my hp printer likes reconnecting every few hours...
[17:18:46] <PCW> its probably possible to make USB real time but why bother, for motion, Ethernet is better is just about every way
[17:19:02] <PCW> in just
[17:19:17] <furrywolf> once I had an issue where my usb sound device would reset every time my fridge switched off... yay weird interference issues.
[17:19:58] <furrywolf> and linux handles usb devices reconnecting surprisingly poorly, often giving them a different device name.
[17:22:28] <lottefang> OK,Thanks a lot for your opinions. Ethernet is better than USB device.
[17:22:51] <furrywolf> now if only mesa would restock those ethernet devices... :)
[17:26:44] <lottefang> mesa is great.but we (in china) can't find them on out markets...
[17:29:05] <furrywolf> found a paper testing usb for realtime... they concluded it was unsuitable due to extremely bad jitter, with many transactions randomly taking 30+ms, the worst 55ms.
[17:30:03] <furrywolf> which means my random pulled-from-ass guess of 50ms wasn't bad. lol
[17:34:15] <lottefang> so,even if we reprogram usb's driver on RTAI or xenomai. The performance will not be better.Right?
[17:35:23] <lottefang> It is the hardware problem...
[17:39:39] <CaptHindsight> lottefang: it's the USB standard not the kernel
[17:41:04] <lottefang> I see.
[17:41:16] <lottefang> Tanks
[17:41:55] <CaptHindsight> 55ms is actually pretty good on USB, that must have been on a quiet dedicated port
[17:42:34] <furrywolf> yes
[17:43:26] <furrywolf> bbl, errands
[17:45:33] <lottefang> I found a motion card with 4 axis and based on ethernet bus. only for 235$.
[17:47:10] <lottefang> https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z0d.6639537.1997196601.54.OsZdNt&id=45420690437
[17:48:10] <lottefang> this is the link.
[17:49:55] <lottefang> sorry it's written in chinese.But I wish the picture will please you.
[17:53:47] <Contract_Pilot> When you need wire and all the locals only sell 1,000 spools
[17:54:36] <Wolf_> amazon lol
[17:56:20] <Contract_Pilot> yea, takes a long time
[17:56:44] <Wolf_> my stuff is always here in 2 days
[17:56:59] <Wolf_> sameday/next day if I use mom’s address lol
[17:58:10] <Praesmeodymium> the motors I got matched the description they are 255oz holding torque nema 23's and I got the same purty mb540a drivers
[17:58:25] <Wolf_> :(
[17:58:36] <Wolf_> I should have ordered some of them
[17:59:12] <Praesmeodymium> apperantly Contract_Pilot found another deal today and got 10 more
[17:59:20] <Praesmeodymium> his google fu was better than mine
[17:59:30] <Wolf_> 48v psu
[17:59:36] <Wolf_> I got one of them
[17:59:47] <Praesmeodymium> I picked up on to match the motors
[17:59:56] <Praesmeodymium> now I just need to figure out what to do with em
[18:00:16] <Tom_shop> where'd you get the double stack nema23s?
[18:00:20] <Wolf_> can send the to me :P
[18:00:35] <Praesmeodymium> walmart
[18:00:45] <Tom_shop> oh you got the big ones
[18:01:32] <Praesmeodymium> they look like doublestack they are 76mm long
[18:01:48] <Tom_itx> double or triple, i'm sure they're not single
[18:02:09] <Contract_Pilot> I was greedy!
[18:02:24] <Tom_itx> he's gonna start ebaying em
[18:02:26] <Tom_itx> :)
[18:02:46] <t12> i wonder how testy this ebay india test bar will be
[18:03:54] <Wolf_> hmm they got some nema23 397oz on newegg for $27 each, no drivers tho =/
[18:05:11] <Praesmeodymium> so for milling is it holding torque or positioning torque that matters?
[18:05:30] <Wolf_> both
[18:05:34] <Tom_itx> Wolf_, what current?
[18:05:45] <Wolf_> 4.2A
[18:05:55] <Praesmeodymium> https://www.fasttobuy.com/57hs7630a4-sumtor-twophase-stepper-motor-57byg-new_p24123.html
[18:05:56] <Tom_itx> mmm my drivers would handle those
[18:06:12] <Praesmeodymium> those are the motors I got trying to decide what they could drive
[18:07:40] <Praesmeodymium> how big a wood cutter can I get too lol, le sigh so much math and so little knowledge in my head to figure that shit out
[18:08:04] <Wolf_> pretty much the motors I need for the x1 micro mill…
[18:11:14] <zeeshan|2> hello all
[18:11:14] <zeeshan|2> :D
[18:11:28] * Tom_itx hides
[18:12:01] <zeeshan|2> :)
[18:12:11] <zeeshan|2> im prepping tool boxes for tomorrow
[18:12:42] <Tom_itx> what sort of tools are going in your boxes>
[18:12:45] <Tom_itx> ?
[18:12:50] <zeeshan|2> thats what i was hoping to discuss :P
[18:12:53] <zeeshan|2> just incase i forgot
[18:13:01] <zeeshan|2> socket set up to 1"
[18:13:04] <zeeshan|2> er
[18:13:10] <zeeshan|2> 24mmm (its a jap lathe)
[18:13:11] <Tom_itx> one of everything
[18:13:13] <Tom_itx> and two of some
[18:13:16] <zeeshan|2> to adjustable wrenches
[18:13:19] <zeeshan|2> allen socket set
[18:13:21] <Tom_itx> because you will lose them
[18:13:22] <zeeshan|2> allen keys
[18:13:25] <zeeshan|2> screw drivers
[18:13:31] <zeeshan|2> pliers
[18:13:31] <Tom_itx> metric and english..
[18:13:34] <Tom_itx> allens
[18:13:51] <zeeshan|2> an a vice grip
[18:13:56] <Tom_itx> no no
[18:13:57] <zeeshan|2> hammer
[18:14:02] <Tom_itx> yes, a big one
[18:14:35] <Tom_itx> oh that's right you gotta take your lathe apart...
[18:14:40] <Tom_itx> i bet alot of it is metric
[18:14:47] <zeeshan|2> yea has to be
[18:14:54] <zeeshan|2> erspecially in the 1980s
[18:15:02] <zeeshan|2> japanese are very stringent on metric
[18:15:04] <Tom_itx> big cheater bar
[18:15:11] <Tom_itx> couple long pry bars
[18:15:19] <Tom_itx> band aids
[18:15:24] <Tom_itx> you will need 2 boxes
[18:15:41] <zeeshan|2> then gloves, safety glasses, steel toes
[18:15:42] <zeeshan|2> change of clothes
[18:15:54] <zeeshan|2> cause im going right from work
[18:16:09] <Tom_itx> chip brush for packed in crap
[18:16:18] <Tom_itx> or scraper etc
[18:16:21] <zeeshan|2> just a rag
[18:16:22] <zeeshan|2> i keep
[18:16:41] <Tom_itx> thermite for those rusty bolts
[18:16:45] <zeeshan|2> lol
[18:16:51] <zeeshan|2> i didnt see any rusty bolts to be honest
[18:16:56] <zeeshan|2> cause of oil residue
[18:17:13] <Tom_itx> yeah you may be ok in that regard
[18:17:34] <zeeshan|2> im a bit bummed out about not selling the conveyor
[18:17:39] <zeeshan|2> and spindle motor
[18:17:41] <zeeshan|2> oh well
[18:17:45] <zeeshan|2> i bet i can sell electronics easily
[18:17:46] <Tom_itx> you keepin em?
[18:17:50] <zeeshan|2> nahh man
[18:17:52] <zeeshan|2> they're keeping em
[18:17:54] <zeeshan|2> its part of the deal
[18:17:54] <Tom_itx> i would keep the conveyor
[18:17:58] <Tom_itx> shorten it maybe?
[18:18:03] <zeeshan|2> not worth it
[18:18:06] <zeeshan|2> too much going on in there
[18:18:09] <zeeshan|2> ill make a sheet metal box
[18:18:13] <zeeshan|2> when i get a chance
[18:18:18] <zeeshan|2> something more compact
[18:18:25] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:18:36] <zeeshan|2> cause i wan to be able to store stuff
[18:18:37] <zeeshan|2> there..
[18:21:59] <Tom_itx> seems reasonable i suppose
[18:22:09] <Tom_itx> are they in a rush to get it out of there?
[18:22:11] <MacGalempsy> moment of truth
[18:22:16] <Tom_itx> did they take it off the truck to store it?
[18:22:26] <zeeshan|2> yea its off the truck
[18:22:30] <zeeshan|2> from what ive been told
[18:23:01] <Tom_itx> so they plan on loading it again for you?
[18:23:06] <zeeshan|2> yea
[18:23:13] <Tom_itx> nice of em
[18:23:15] <zeeshan|2> and said i can use their forklift
[18:23:18] <zeeshan|2> yea really really nice guys
[18:23:21] <zeeshan|2> and they're not ripping me off.
[18:23:48] <Tom_itx> we've got a company (Belger) that does all the heavy machinery lifting around here
[18:23:51] <zeeshan|2> hey tom
[18:23:53] <zeeshan|2> check this out
[18:24:00] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/YGGydhv.jpg
[18:24:03] <zeeshan|2> see the box on the very right ?
[18:24:08] <Tom_itx> they dropped off one for my but at his old shop from the new one on their way back once
[18:24:29] <zeeshan|2> https://www.apexauctions.de/auction-de/itemDetails.htm?lotId=164972
[18:24:31] <zeeshan|2> 2nd row
[18:24:42] <zeeshan|2> 7th pic from the left
[18:24:53] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: cool
[18:25:00] <Tom_itx> the control?
[18:25:03] <zeeshan|2> no
[18:25:09] <zeeshan|2> its the picture left to the chuck
[18:25:11] <zeeshan|2> by itself
[18:25:19] <zeeshan|2> with the massive bar feeder
[18:25:24] <zeeshan|2> i think that is a hydraulic power pack
[18:25:27] <zeeshan|2> just for the drawbar.
[18:25:30] <zeeshan|2> not coolant
[18:26:00] <Tom_itx> don't see which one you're talking about
[18:26:33] <zeeshan|2> 2nd row of pics
[18:26:46] <zeeshan|2> theres 3 pictures in a row of a bar feeder
[18:26:53] <Tom_itx> rows are brouser dependent :)
[18:26:57] <zeeshan|2> oh :(
[18:27:42] <Tom_itx> what's that thing above the machine?
[18:28:53] <zeeshan|2> i think its a wire trough
[18:29:10] <Tom_itx> that's not yours anyway is it?
[18:29:18] <zeeshan|2> no
[18:29:20] <zeeshan|2> im comparing
[18:29:23] <zeeshan|2> cause i dont have many good pics
[18:29:58] <zeeshan|2> man
[18:30:03] <zeeshan|2> look at the machine iposted pics of
[18:30:04] <Tom_itx> what's the box with the black tube coming out on yours?
[18:30:06] <zeeshan|2> its so much lower to the ground
[18:30:07] <Tom_itx> on the right
[18:30:28] <zeeshan|2> i m thinking it might actually be a hydraulic power pack
[18:30:33] <zeeshan|2> but it makes no sense why they have a filter housing fo rit.
[18:30:54] <zeeshan|2> i don't see an external coolant pump for this other random machine ifound on the internet
[18:31:08] <Tom_itx> is that the coolant or lube pump on the left?
[18:31:17] <Tom_itx> it's got some sort of filter on it
[18:31:44] <Tom_itx> on yours)
[18:31:49] <zeeshan|2> whiuch pic
[18:32:03] <Tom_itx> the one on the truck of yours
[18:32:23] <zeeshan|2> im thinking thats the hydraulic power pack
[18:32:33] <zeeshan|2> to disengage the turret , hydraulic chuck
[18:32:35] <zeeshan|2> tailstock etc
[18:32:44] <zeeshan|2> it looks like the right size for those things
[18:32:58] <zeeshan|2> i guess that thing onthe right is a coolant pump
[18:33:01] <zeeshan|2> cause i dont see it anywhere else
[18:33:05] <Tom_itx> so what's the one on the right for then?
[18:33:19] <zeeshan|2> like in the pic of the other machine
[18:33:27] <zeeshan|2> that other one is for feeding bars
[18:33:48] <Tom_itx> hydraulic or air?
[18:33:51] <zeeshan|2> hydr
[18:34:01] <Tom_itx> my 6-8 spindles were manual :D
[18:34:09] <Tom_itx> 12' bars
[18:34:43] <zeeshan|2> jeez
[18:34:46] <Tom_itx> i figured once we moved several tons a shift with those
[18:34:58] <Tom_itx> loading and scooping the chips
[18:35:00] <zeeshan|2> think if i remove that hydraulic power pack on the left, and those electrical cabinets
[18:35:07] <zeeshan|2> and the spindle motor and gear reducer box
[18:35:09] <zeeshan|2> i can drop 1000lb?
[18:35:09] <zeeshan|2> :D
[18:35:34] <Tom_itx> the sheetmetal would be half that
[18:35:36] <Tom_itx> at least
[18:36:02] <zeeshan|2> ill find out tomorrow :P
[18:36:10] <Tom_itx> label all the stuff
[18:36:17] <Tom_itx> unless you like puzzles
[18:36:22] <zeeshan|2> i taking pics
[18:36:31] <zeeshan|2> on the itnernet
[18:36:43] <zeeshan|2> sit says 20hp motors weigh anywhere from 350 to 280 lb
[18:36:51] <zeeshan|2> so thats one major weight gone
[18:37:02] <Tom_itx> 3phase?
[18:37:04] <zeeshan|2> yes
[18:37:09] <Tom_itx> 440v?
[18:37:12] <Tom_itx> 208?
[18:37:14] <zeeshan|2> 240
[18:37:31] <Tom_itx> those lathes had like 25-30hp on them
[18:37:40] <zeeshan|2> this one is 20hp
[18:37:55] <Tom_itx> don't drop it on your toe
[18:37:58] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/3stpkGd.jpg
[18:38:53] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: speaking of thermite, it's on sale http://www.firefox-fx.com/Bulk%20Overstock%20Sales.html
[18:39:14] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, i can see your electric meter spinning already
[18:39:23] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/6Y9h0Y2.jpg
[18:39:30] <zeeshan|2> look at the size of that transmission
[18:39:36] <zeeshan|2> thats gotta be around 400lb by itself
[18:40:12] <Tom_itx> more
[18:40:26] <zeeshan|2> that'd be sweet if i only have to remove the trans
[18:40:28] <Tom_itx> it's full of gears
[18:40:29] <zeeshan|2> and spindle motor!
[18:40:50] <zeeshan|2> it looks like a puzzle to remove
[18:41:11] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: putting in smaller motors since you can't get enough power to the garage?
[18:41:16] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: yea
[18:41:17] <zeeshan|2> 10hp
[18:41:49] <zeeshan|2> it looks like the intput shaft is obviously where the 2903123090382 belts go
[18:42:01] <zeeshan|2> and output is on the left side along the same axis
[18:42:10] <zeeshan|2> so they must hve a coupler or something there
[18:42:14] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: did the power co or city just not allow it?
[18:42:23] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: huh??
[18:42:24] <zeeshan|2> no
[18:42:29] <zeeshan|2> i want this to consume at most 120A
[18:42:33] <zeeshan|2> with everything maxed out , single phase
[18:42:57] <Tom_itx> we had a fadal 15 we swapped transformers in once to run off 220v
[18:43:06] <CaptHindsight> ah, you don't want to increase the size of the service
[18:43:07] <Tom_itx> you don't have 220v?
[18:43:15] <zeeshan|2> 240 yea
[18:43:48] <Tom_itx> what's the largest residential service you can get there?
[18:43:52] <zeeshan|2> 400A
[18:43:56] <zeeshan|2> i have 200A
[18:44:12] <Tom_itx> do they have to string a new pole wire for that?
[18:44:24] <Tom_itx> or just inside
[18:44:31] <zeeshan|2> from what ive been told
[18:44:41] <zeeshan|2> houses built in the last 10 years have 200A ampacity wires going to em
[18:44:46] <zeeshan|2> but builders are cheap and put a 100A panel.
[18:44:51] <Tom_itx> my bud had 3phase run to his first shop
[18:44:53] <zeeshan|2> houses that are more rural
[18:45:04] <Tom_itx> it took quite a while to get it
[18:45:05] <zeeshan|2> can have 200/400
[18:45:28] <Tom_itx> change the pannel yourself
[18:45:34] <zeeshan|2> i have 200A
[18:45:39] <zeeshan|2> i already changed panel
[18:45:40] <zeeshan|2> tom
[18:45:40] <zeeshan|2> omg
[18:45:45] <zeeshan|2> starting at this pic long enough
[18:45:48] <zeeshan|2> i discovered something.
[18:45:51] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/6Y9h0Y2.jpg
[18:45:53] <zeeshan|2> theres a brake caliper!
[18:45:54] <zeeshan|2> lol
[18:46:03] <zeeshan|2> i can just see it!
[18:46:24] <Tom_itx> where?
[18:46:31] <zeeshan|2> see that 4 bolt pattern
[18:46:38] <zeeshan|2> below the yellow cap servo
[18:46:42] <zeeshan|2> you see a hydraulic line
[18:46:50] <Tom_itx> could be
[18:46:51] <zeeshan|2> going into a banjo bolt (you can partly see the banjo bolt)
[18:46:57] <zeeshan|2> so im 100% sure thats a brake caliper
[18:47:05] <zeeshan|2> it looks exactly like the one we had on a grinder at work
[18:47:13] <zeeshan|2> i had to change the pads on it
[18:47:21] <Tom_itx> good deal
[18:47:32] <zeeshan|2> this also means
[18:47:36] <zeeshan|2> itll be a bitch split that trans
[18:47:58] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: is this the lathe that the dealer was giving you hard time about or did you fins a new one?
[18:48:06] <zeeshan|2> another one capt
[18:48:08] <zeeshan|2> thru same dealer
[18:48:20] <Tom_itx> that other one was an okuma right?
[18:48:22] <zeeshan|2> yes
[18:48:37] <Tom_itx> i liked the okuma i ran
[18:48:41] <Tom_itx> kadet
[18:48:46] <Tom_itx> small but nice
[18:48:50] <zeeshan|2> that machine woulda been easier to deal with
[18:48:51] <zeeshan|2> oh well
[18:49:19] <zeeshan|2> the electrical cabinet will take me some time to take off
[18:49:22] <zeeshan|2> hopefully i dont have to.
[18:49:33] <zeeshan|2> with the mikron there was like about 80 connectors
[18:49:36] <Tom_itx> chop saw
[18:49:42] <zeeshan|2> no way!
[18:49:44] <Tom_itx> :D
[18:49:48] <zeeshan|2> itll take forever to figure it out
[18:49:55] <zeeshan|2> i went through that ordeal w/ the mikron cause had no manual
[18:49:58] <Tom_itx> you're replacing most of it anyway
[18:50:02] <zeeshan|2> thats true
[18:50:08] <zeeshan|2> but i need to know the wire lkocations
[18:50:09] <zeeshan|2> and output
[18:50:10] <zeeshan|2> so i can plan
[18:50:23] <zeeshan|2> it has to be very basic
[18:50:28] <zeeshan|2> the only extra stuff is atc
[18:50:29] <Tom_itx> the insul is all brittle and cruddy anyway
[18:50:30] <zeeshan|2> and tailstock
[18:52:33] <zeeshan|2> gonna pack tool box
[18:53:49] <t12> hum
[18:54:01] <t12> test bar measures spindle angled at .005" per 10"
[18:54:25] <t12> further down the rabbithole maybe i ditch the sheetmetal stand
[19:00:14] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, start a lathe blog
[19:01:25] <Praesmeodymium> rabbitholes lol, yup I still dont think I can afford a wood cutter big enough to carve on doors
[19:02:20] <Tom_itx> making custom entry doors?
[19:02:42] <Praesmeodymium> not making anything is part of my problem
[19:02:54] <Praesmeodymium> I tend to build tools for the sake of building tools
[19:03:03] <malcom2073> +1 To that
[19:03:33] <t12> i always blankface with like
[19:03:34] <Tom_itx> i'm a bit guilty on that with my sherline conversion but i may still use it some
[19:03:39] <t12> what do you actually make in that shop
[19:03:40] <t12> blankface
[19:03:52] <t12> actually i usually answer tools to make tools to make tools to make tools ...
[19:03:54] <malcom2073> t12: My wife asks me ccasionally
[19:04:02] <malcom2073> I usually give a noncommittal answer
[19:04:06] <Praesmeodymium> whats that 3d printer make? pretty much other 3d printers and tchotchkeys
[19:04:45] <Tom_itx> my kid made a pumpkin on one at school
[19:04:57] <Praesmeodymium> ofc thats a bit disengenious 3d printers only make 10% of other 3d printers
[19:08:07] <Wolf_Mill> so many ziplock baggies...
[19:14:00] <Wolf_Mill> wonder how many bags mcmaster uses per day...
[19:25:51] <Tom_itx> one continuous one, they just hot seal it
[19:26:36] <Wolf_Mill> continuous ziplocks?
[19:29:20] <renesis> i used to get mu dub sacs from mcmaster
[19:29:32] <Tom_itx> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://b2bimg.bridgat.com/files/Continuous_rolled_garbage_bag_making_machine.jpg&imgrefurl=http://b2b.bridgat.com/plastic_machinery-b2148_13.html&h=319&w=528&tbnid=bWc2Fq9srzlaJM:&docid=cSWl3kdySVHb2M&ei=ILMVVt32F8SdNqLQvvAG&tbm=isch&ved=0CEoQMygjMCNqFQoTCN2GhOTJscgCFcSODQodIqgPbg
[19:29:35] <Tom_itx> Wolf_Mill, yes
[19:29:38] <renesis> so many size and thickness choices!
[19:30:06] <renesis> tom_itx: are you sure, theyre always the same size, they even have thise ywllow tagging area
[19:30:17] <renesis> like theyre cut in the same place every time
[19:30:23] <Tom_itx> no, i've never ordered from em actually :)
[19:31:00] <renesis> digikey uses that pulled papper mesh packing material, i bet they have a machine that makes that
[19:31:07] <Tom_itx> just saying they've probably got it automated
[19:31:43] <renesis> dunno theyre already buying a fuck ton of bags froom the bag factory, they prob just asked for a container of what they use to ship
[19:31:55] <Wolf_Mill> ^
[19:32:12] <Wolf_Mill> I have mcmaster baggies all around my bench now lol
[19:32:21] <renesis> yellow on one side!
[19:32:40] <renesis> its almost like their branding
[19:33:45] <Wolf_Mill> love how parts that are already bagged come in another bag
[19:36:25] <zeeshan|2> lol tom
[19:36:39] <renesis> wolf_mill: i think its how they stage them for shipping
[19:36:44] <zeeshan|2> Wolf_Mill: i wish you were closer to me
[19:36:51] <zeeshan|2> youre the type of guy id be friends with locally :P
[19:36:56] <renesis> a lot of times the bags and the packing slips are marked up
[19:37:04] <zeeshan|2> i see your diesel truck !
[19:37:26] <Wolf_Mill> heh
[19:37:48] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: about 250lb of tools
[19:37:49] <zeeshan|2> packled
[19:37:54] <zeeshan|2> i kept some gear pullers
[19:38:10] <zeeshan|2> cause im not leaving the pulley w/ the motor
[19:41:07] <Tom_itx> i'd replace it with a timing pulley though
[19:41:57] <zeeshan|2> dont replace if it works :D
[19:42:10] <Tom_itx> yeah i suppose that would be quite expensive
[19:42:39] <zeeshan|2> hi pete
[19:42:42] <zeeshan|2> how goes those flanges
[19:42:44] <zeeshan|2> and that facemill
[19:45:19] <PetefromTn_> hey man
[19:45:43] <PetefromTn_> well I JUST got the facemill today in the mail but unfortunately I did not receive the arbor or the inserts yet
[19:45:49] <zeeshan|2> damn
[19:46:01] <PetefromTn_> I was SUPPOSED to go pick up the material after work today but I was unable to
[19:46:16] <PetefromTn_> I was up real late last night working on the vertical CNC lathe in the mill work
[19:46:24] <PetefromTn_> so I am kinda dragging ass right now
[19:46:38] <PetefromTn_> but the machine is warming up so I can get some more work done here
[19:47:34] <Wolf_Mill> I dunno zeeshan|2, I'm still blaming you for the shortage of cheap AMC BE25A20s :P
[19:47:41] <zeeshan|2> lol
[19:48:00] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 Did you see my Tig efforts for the day LOL
[19:48:03] <zeeshan|2> no
[19:48:10] <PetefromTn_> hang on a sec
[19:48:14] <zeeshan|2> lets see!
[19:49:05] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/sKRX7Dz
[19:49:25] <zeeshan|2> beautiful man!
[19:49:33] <zeeshan|2> looks so good!
[19:49:41] <zeeshan|2> take that toxic fab !
[19:49:42] <PetefromTn_> thanks man I am REALLY trying to learn to do this
[19:49:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah right I wish
[19:49:57] <PetefromTn_> that guy is unbelievable
[19:50:06] <zeeshan|2> that weld is top notch
[19:50:11] <zeeshan|2> race car quality
[19:50:12] <zeeshan|2> i like
[19:50:23] <PetefromTn_> thanks man that means a lot coming from you..
[19:51:14] <PetefromTn_> that was a downpipe for an RX7 that WAS coated but they switched turbos and I had to cut and extend the tube a little bit as well as angle it slightly to fit the new turbo location
[19:51:36] <PetefromTn_> I hate grinding away that coating it is a PIA
[19:51:41] <Wolf_Mill> that looks good :)
[19:51:51] <zeeshan|2> yea f coating :/
[19:52:15] <PetefromTn_> and the vee band had to be cut off and the crud removed, stub of tube removed from it before i could reweld it.
[19:52:23] <PetefromTn_> Thanks Wolf!
[19:53:33] <PetefromTn_> my wife is watching this video where someone dressed up a little dog like a bigass spider with moving legs and it scares the shit out of people....they are all cracking up here LOL
[19:53:33] <Wolf_Mill> arg need to pull the x2 head off and drill 3 holes in it
[19:54:25] <PCW> Why dont you just keep your 20HP motor and drive it "gently"
[19:54:43] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: Don't try with armed populus.
[19:54:57] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[19:55:16] <zeeshan|2> pcw: dont need all that power
[19:55:20] <PetefromTn_> whats funny is the little dog is probably thinking hey pet me pet me and the people are running for thier lives LOL
[19:55:39] <PCW> dont load it more than 10 HP worth...
[19:56:01] <zeeshan|2> i wanna be able to spin it up fast and slow down fast
[19:56:05] <zeeshan|2> thats more important than power :P
[19:56:14] <zeeshan|2> cause ill never ever go more tha 5hp per cut
[19:56:45] <zeeshan|2> last time i tried to use a 1hp vfd to drive a 3hp motor
[19:56:48] <zeeshan|2> i failed miserably :P
[19:57:25] <PCW> what currently drives the spindle?
[19:57:40] <zeeshan|2> not sure
[19:57:48] <zeeshan|2> some big ass fanuc module
[19:58:07] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan's hands LOL
[19:58:14] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[20:04:19] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/nnmHpXi new 3d printing technology
[20:13:14] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CREATURE-REACHER-MIDNIGHT-HOWL-ADULT-MENS-COSTUME-Monster-Wolf-Theme-Halloween-/400676919063?hash=item5d4a349717 I REALLY want one of these...
[20:15:36] <os1r1s> SpeedEvil: I prefer this one http://gallery.mounicou.com/photos/i-qPJ75dw/0/L/i-qPJ75dw-L.jpg
[20:21:30] <renesis> wow another totally non functional cosmetic 3d printed part
[20:21:33] <renesis> what a surprise!
[20:21:50] <renesis> i guess thats mean you can totally use that for chess
[20:23:35] <os1r1s> renesis: That was a fun part. It is used to print titanium implants.
[20:23:48] <os1r1s> renesis: So not useless. Quite useful.
[20:24:46] <renesis> thats ti?
[20:24:52] <os1r1s> Yes
[20:25:08] <renesis> its SLA type printing?
[20:25:39] <os1r1s> It is done on an SLS 3d printer.
[20:25:47] <jdh> I'm waiting on a couple of useful 3d printed parts at work
[20:26:04] <renesis> yeah mostly i have issue with FDM parts at work
[20:26:32] <renesis> they usually suck dimensionally, and theyre nowhere near the strength of the filament material
[20:26:53] <os1r1s> There is a place for that as well. It depends on how well its built and calibrated.
[20:27:04] <renesis> so i get handed an FDM version of a molded ABS part, and without fail the screw bosses exploded
[20:27:29] <renesis> this is stratasys stuff usually
[20:27:30] <malcom2073> See that's poor design
[20:27:37] <malcom2073> you don't FDM parts that are designed to be moulded
[20:27:41] <renesis> yeah you do
[20:27:46] <renesis> and people like me make it work
[20:27:47] <malcom2073> They require different kind of designs
[20:28:10] <malcom2073> Sorry, you should't :P Not that you don't
[20:28:14] <renesis> sure but most of consumer manufacturing is using them for fast prototype of production parts
[20:28:15] <malcom2073> Lots of people do heh
[20:28:22] <renesis> prob most of the customers in terms of money
[20:29:34] <renesis> production on 3d printing is prob close to non existent compared to prototype uses, and in prototype use its probably being used because its faster than outsourcing machined or SLA prototypes
[20:29:44] <renesis> so for its #1 use, it sucks
[20:30:02] <renesis> unless you consider its #1 use printing hobby knick nacks, then theyre awesome
[20:30:15] <malcom2073> I consider most people idiots
[20:30:21] <renesis> objet uv set prints are cool but have other similar issues
[20:30:43] <renesis> well it works, and its faster and cheaper and gets results, its just drama
[20:31:03] <renesis> to get machined ABS, would usually takes days to couple weeks and was $$$
[20:31:03] <os1r1s> renesis: I think for prototyping its hard to beat.
[20:31:15] <renesis> in terms of time and money, ya
[20:31:24] <malcom2073> When you have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail, but people still complain when driving a screw with a hammer sucks
[20:31:40] <renesis> in terms of quality, machined and SLA is a lot better to work with than FDM and uv set ink
[20:32:25] <os1r1s> renesis: Sure, and there is a place for that too. Its a lot messier to deal with and comes with its own set of issues.
[20:32:35] <renesis> also consistency and maintenance on everything except the stratasys stuff was fucked =\
[20:32:47] <renesis> os1r1s: right so its outsourced, so its time and $$$
[20:32:53] <renesis> same with machined plastic
[20:33:13] <renesis> machined plastic is honestly the best to work with, its very close to the final part in terms of strength
[20:33:23] <renesis> SLA is sex but its brittle
[20:33:39] <os1r1s> renesis: Depends on the material
[20:33:40] <renesis> is the metal stuff similar? or its close to cast parts
[20:33:47] <os1r1s> Not all SLA is brittle.
[20:34:00] <os1r1s> The metal is on par with my SLA prints
[20:34:01] <renesis> everything ive worked with is the milky clear shit
[20:34:09] <os1r1s> Except the supports are weird
[20:34:17] <os1r1s> And must be removed with heavy machinery
[20:34:19] <SpeedEvil> renesis: It depends on the printer. There are ones with actual fused metal
[20:34:25] <SpeedEvil> They are uncheap
[20:34:35] <renesis> right thats some mil/aero level shit
[20:34:50] <renesis> i do home/pro/studio audio, heh
[20:34:53] <SpeedEvil> They have 1kW lasers.
[20:34:56] <SpeedEvil> or e-beam.
[20:35:02] <os1r1s> SpeedEvil: The one I pointed to above is.
[20:35:06] <jdh> mine are being made of fused SS
[20:35:10] <os1r1s> Or the print from it
[20:35:32] <renesis> anyway 20 years from now i think a lot of normal production will be 3d printed
[20:35:47] <renesis> but right now, affordable solutions mostly piss me off
[20:36:20] <os1r1s> renesis: We use a Chiron for the bulk plates. And swiss turn machines for the screws.
[20:36:44] <renesis> nice
[20:37:13] <os1r1s> The chirons are really nice.
[20:37:24] <renesis> theres a dental manufacturing place near where i used to live, always had job postings for expensive screw machine drivers
[20:39:00] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Any progress?
[20:39:13] <os1r1s> renesis: This is one of our current manufacturing cells https://www.dropbox.com/s/ix261n7pzvmzggb/shop3.jpg
[20:39:38] <renesis> tidy, dense
[20:40:23] <malcom2073> Heh, I wish I could take a picture of ours
[20:40:37] <malcom2073> Imagine that, but after 3 years of non machinests running it and no management
[20:41:07] <renesis> so like a parts and tools explosion with random oil stained paperwork?
[20:41:27] <malcom2073> And chips every where
[20:41:35] <renesis> aw that sucks
[20:41:36] <malcom2073> When I say non machinests, I mean engineers
[20:41:43] <malcom2073> Yeah it's a sad state
[20:42:04] <renesis> the coolest thing about the 3d printers at places i been at, the ME handle their own post processing
[20:42:21] <renesis> place was big enough, they had ME specific techs to do it
[20:43:02] <renesis> fuck if im gonna spend all day hacking at support material
[20:43:22] <malcom2073> Lol
[20:43:37] <malcom2073> I can't wait until I get my mill up and running, I love running machines
[20:44:06] <CaptHindsight> renesis: which SLA printers have you used?
[20:44:32] <renesis> i dont, weve always had them contracted
[20:44:47] <renesis> 3 places ive been have had stratasys FDM
[20:44:58] <renesis> one of those also had object uv set ink printers
[20:45:21] <renesis> which are cooler in terms of dimension and finish, but their weird in terms of strength
[20:45:29] <renesis> like a very hard cheese almost, heh
[20:45:47] <CaptHindsight> was wondering about the milky clear resins
[20:45:48] <renesis> also some people are allergic to it, hands get rashes when they handle the parts a lot
[20:46:27] <renesis> yeah every SLA ive worked with is the same semi translucent white material
[20:46:42] <renesis> nothing is sexier than the SLA in terms of look, heh
[20:47:12] <CaptHindsight> Objet and Stratasys are only interested in selling printers for prototyping
[20:47:18] <renesis> even brittle, it seems stronger than the FDM stuff
[20:47:33] <renesis> as opposed to production?
[20:47:39] <CaptHindsight> but since they hold the patents the 80's tech has stalled
[20:47:39] <renesis> they would break down
[20:47:59] <renesis> well, in their current form
[20:48:26] <renesis> well, maybe not, ive seen them cycled for weeks no break, but theyre slow for production
[20:48:53] <CaptHindsight> yes, slow but they don't care
[20:48:59] <renesis> honestly i think the biggest thing the stratasys systems have over the consumer systems, the statasys has a toothbrush for the extruder tip
[20:49:12] <renesis> i bet thats where the majority of the reliability difference comes from
[20:49:36] <CaptHindsight> and the materials are marked up 10x their cost
[20:50:03] <renesis> if they went into production, they would have to go faster with about the same level of maintenance, and i think they prob see that as a customer support black hole
[20:50:24] <renesis> yeah object ink carts were fucked up expensive
[20:50:54] <renesis> i dont remember anyone complaining as much about the stratasys spools
[20:51:38] <zeeshan|2> os1r1s: very clean shop
[20:51:39] <PetefromTn_> just got an email from DMM tech with some specials on their AC servos and drives. Up to 35 percent off ebay specials.
[20:51:41] <zeeshan|2> i like what i see
[20:51:42] <renesis> if i needed one for a job, id prob try and get a used/refurbed/b-stock type unit direct from statasys
[20:52:01] <os1r1s> zeeshan|2: Thats one of 15-20 cells
[20:52:17] <PetefromTn_> that is indeed a spanky clean well equipped shop. Doosans?
[20:52:22] <zeeshan|2> the production facility i op tech'ed at a lot of years ago
[20:52:23] <renesis> all one building or you got a campus?
[20:52:28] <zeeshan|2> had a lot more machines than that
[20:52:33] <zeeshan|2> but boy was it not cealn like that
[20:52:40] <zeeshan|2> i have never worked in such a clean shop
[20:52:52] <zeeshan|2> you're lucky :)
[20:52:56] <zeeshan|2> is it temp controlled?
[20:53:06] <renesis> FADAL factory was kind of like that
[20:53:12] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: made in usa ?
[20:53:23] <PetefromTn_> the first shop I worked in has a bunch of machines in a long narrow building like that I think they had 20. All HAAS machines and it was very clean as well.
[20:53:38] <renesis> nom haas
[20:53:38] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: this shop looks like
[20:53:41] <zeeshan|2> they dont even machine anything
[20:53:41] <zeeshan|2> haha
[20:53:48] <zeeshan|2> its a show room :D
[20:53:49] <PetefromTn_> I know right..
[20:53:55] <renesis> guys do you think haas F1 gonna win all the things!?
[20:53:58] <PetefromTn_> where is the spilled coolant and chips?
[20:54:14] <renesis> mop
[20:54:26] <zeeshan|2> i really haev grown more respect for haas
[20:54:34] <zeeshan|2> after watching their "how its made" video
[20:54:36] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 not sure where they are made most likely china like everything else
[20:54:38] <zeeshan|2> they know what they're doing
[20:54:50] <zeeshan|2> and theyre manufactured in usa
[20:54:51] <zeeshan|2> except the castings
[20:54:59] <renesis> zeeshan|2: all the old guys in LA talk very highly of the machines and the man
[20:55:02] <PetefromTn_> honestly I have run a BUNCH of HAAS VMC's and they are pretty nice I think.
[20:55:05] <os1r1s> zeeshan|2: I don't work in the shop, but that is our shop. It is ACed/Heated/ventilated/etc
[20:55:11] <renesis> heh, castings from china is how FADAL got fucked
[20:55:15] <zeeshan|2> os1r1s: ah
[20:55:17] <zeeshan|2> what do you do? :P
[20:55:34] <PetefromTn_> I don't think HAAS castings are made elsewhere
[20:55:36] <os1r1s> I have teams that develop software
[20:55:46] <PetefromTn_> I think they are made in michigan or something like that.
[20:55:53] <zeeshan|2> oh
[20:56:10] <zeeshan|2> well i know this much
[20:56:16] <zeeshan|2> as long as it's not a tormach
[20:56:21] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[20:56:23] <zeeshan|2> and a matsuura, haas
[20:56:23] <zeeshan|2> etc
[20:56:27] <zeeshan|2> you'er good to go :D
[20:56:46] <PetefromTn_> Matsuura is awesome but VERY expensive
[20:56:59] <renesis> minimill isnt that much, base model
[20:57:11] <zeeshan|2> renesis: if i needed a tormach
[20:57:14] <zeeshan|2> i'd go buy a mag drill
[20:57:14] <renesis> prob still 3x more than the tormach, but i think the Y isnt as shitty
[20:57:16] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[20:57:39] <zeeshan|2> i have no respect for tormach
[20:57:46] <zeeshan|2> :P
[20:57:57] <renesis> yeah $35k for a minimill
[20:58:12] <PetefromTn_> Those guys local have a small shop and a TM1 and it was surprisingly nice when I visited to see them.
[20:58:12] <renesis> dont think it comes with the toolchanger tho
[20:58:14] <zeeshan|2> how are you comparing a minimill with tormach
[20:58:23] <zeeshan|2> they're a different class
[20:58:31] <renesis> because i think its the smallest thing haas makes?
[20:58:35] <zeeshan|2> there's nothing much mini about the minimill
[20:58:35] <PetefromTn_> TOTALLY different class
[20:58:35] <zeeshan|2> :P
[20:58:50] <renesis> right which is why i think its odd you compared in the first place, shrug
[20:59:04] <PetefromTn_> I think they make something called an office mill that MIGHT be compared to a tormach but again not really
[20:59:25] <PetefromTn_> its supposed to fit thru typical doorways
[20:59:39] <zeeshan|2> if you had 100k
[20:59:43] <renesis> ha
[20:59:44] <zeeshan|2> would you buy a haas?
[20:59:48] <renesis> office mill is $70k
[20:59:57] <renesis> ill take the minimill thanks
[21:00:17] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feNyf6JHzNA
[21:00:57] <renesis> almost 1' cube work envelope
[21:01:00] <renesis> not so bad
[21:01:30] <zeeshan|2> i think the reason i havent seen haas
[21:01:45] <zeeshan|2> mass production facility (remember me definition of mass production!)
[21:01:55] <zeeshan|2> is because the people aren't familiar with haas
[21:02:02] <zeeshan|2> they're all about fanuc and sinumerik
[21:02:24] <zeeshan|2> companies prolly dont wanna pay for training
[21:02:31] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S8UY6wVneo
[21:02:34] <renesis> shrug, at westec everyone who isnt a competitor of haas uses haas to demo their tools
[21:02:59] <renesis> like, literally everyone not selling machines has a haas
[21:02:59] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: i really like how has usses those rails
[21:03:00] <zeeshan|2> that bolt on
[21:03:05] <zeeshan|2> so if they ever wear out
[21:03:08] <zeeshan|2> guess what you can replace em!
[21:03:55] <zeeshan|2> holy cow on that 3d surface
[21:04:00] <zeeshan|2> that is FAST
[21:04:47] <zeeshan|2> what do you think the rapid is on that machine
[21:04:51] <zeeshan|2> 1500 ipm?
[21:04:57] <PetefromTn_> watch that toolchange at the end
[21:05:09] <zeeshan|2> what tool change? :-)
[21:05:15] <renesis> 2400 ipm
[21:05:17] <zeeshan|2> Drill/Tap Center; 20" x 16" x 15.5" (508 x 406 x 394 mm), BT30 taper, 15 hp (11.2 kW) vector drive, 15,000 rpm, 2400 ipm (61 m/min) rapids
[21:05:19] <zeeshan|2> jeez
[21:05:34] <zeeshan|2> lol
[21:05:35] <zeeshan|2> @ usb port
[21:05:38] <zeeshan|2> as a feature
[21:05:39] <zeeshan|2> hahaha
[21:06:01] <zeeshan|2> god 1mb program memory
[21:06:03] <zeeshan|2> thats kind of anoying
[21:06:03] <renesis> we had to load our minimill up with rs232 link to an ancient pc
[21:06:06] <zeeshan|2> its 2015..
[21:06:08] <zeeshan|2> ..
[21:06:10] <renesis> gcode on floppies
[21:06:53] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: my man hood .. :(
[21:06:56] <zeeshan|2> that tool change is FAST
[21:06:57] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdC5v-QCx7o better toolchange
[21:07:22] <Tom_itx> those prefetch tools with the swingarm toolchanger are pretty quick
[21:07:34] <Tom_itx> a couple of our okumas had those
[21:07:47] <Tom_itx> you don't wanna get in the way
[21:08:07] <PetefromTn_> used to be a drill and tap center was not much for milling but these newer machines from HAAS and Brother are STUPID fast and can still hog some metal pretty good
[21:08:13] <renesis> ha i always felt like it was going to tip from the lateral force slamming into the tool change carousel
[21:08:14] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: the other day i was using my round insert face mill
[21:08:20] <zeeshan|2> i was getting a shitty finish at 15ipm
[21:08:24] <zeeshan|2> @ 2000 rpm
[21:08:27] <zeeshan|2> about 0.002 ipt
[21:08:36] <zeeshan|2> so im like okay, screw it, i always see in videos people go faster
[21:08:43] <zeeshan|2> i machined it at 60 ipm
[21:08:47] <zeeshan|2> bam, mirror like finish
[21:09:15] <zeeshan|2> i think the face mill is so loaded
[21:09:23] <zeeshan|2> it always cuts in the forward direction
[21:09:29] <zeeshan|2> and the back end doesnt rub
[21:09:46] <zeeshan|2> (thats the only thing that was making sense to me)
[21:09:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have seen funky stuff like that with facemills at work...
[21:10:38] <zeeshan|2> lol @ programmable coolant nozzle
[21:10:40] <zeeshan|2> thats cool
[21:10:42] <zeeshan|2> never seen that before
[21:10:55] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say tho one time I was using one of those seco double octomills
[21:11:05] <PetefromTn_> cutting a large piece of copper plate
[21:11:22] <PetefromTn_> my friend Sammy programmed the feeds and speeds on it for me....
[21:11:32] <PetefromTn_> I swear that finish was UNBELIEVABLE
[21:11:42] <PetefromTn_> it literally looked like a mirror
[21:11:47] <PetefromTn_> ZERO tool marks
[21:12:00] <PetefromTn_> I mean no matter what light you looked at it there were NONE
[21:12:08] <zeeshan|2> haha thats awesome
[21:12:20] <PetefromTn_> I wish I could afford the damn thing but this maritool will have to do..
[21:12:36] <zeeshan|2> any face mill
[21:12:43] <zeeshan|2> is better than no face mill!
[21:12:44] <PetefromTn_> I'm telling you man you had to see that to believe it
[21:13:00] <zeeshan|2> you get shitty marks surfacing with end mills
[21:13:00] <zeeshan|2> =/
[21:13:09] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah I mean don't get me wrong my stainless bodied shop built flycutter works pretty well
[21:13:09] <zeeshan|2> i believe you
[21:13:23] <PetefromTn_> but it does not even hold a candle to that octomill
[21:13:45] <PetefromTn_> my pal Sammy who is supposed to come over this weekend to machine some parts he jobbed out
[21:14:11] <PetefromTn_> he SWEARS that he can custom grind my flycutter toolbit to make as good a finish but I don't believe him
[21:14:18] <PetefromTn_> I bust his chops about it all the time hehehe
[21:14:24] <zeeshan|2> lol
[21:14:36] <zeeshan|2> i think a flycutter
[21:14:42] <zeeshan|2> will always get a better surface finish than a face mill
[21:14:44] <zeeshan|2> its just much slower
[21:15:00] <zeeshan|2> (theoretically)
[21:15:06] <PetefromTn_> ya know what I don't like about my flycutter?
[21:15:21] <zeeshan|2> what
[21:15:32] <PetefromTn_> well I make a bunch of these rails right
[21:15:40] <zeeshan|2> https://youtu.be/t-uu48dhe9U?t=33
[21:15:41] <zeeshan|2> wtf
[21:15:44] <zeeshan|2> that one tool
[21:15:49] <zeeshan|2> has 100 bucks of inserts on it
[21:15:50] <zeeshan|2> haha
[21:15:52] <zeeshan|2> or more.
[21:15:59] <PetefromTn_> I machine the entire part in the first op down to the full depth of the part
[21:16:01] <zeeshan|2> they must love selling that tool
[21:16:48] <PetefromTn_> then I flip it over and the first thing I gotta do is machine away the flashing as I call it I was holding onto
[21:16:56] <PetefromTn_> so I take my flycutter
[21:17:06] <PetefromTn_> and gotta cut off like .116"or so
[21:17:17] <PetefromTn_> so I make a pass at .056
[21:17:30] <PetefromTn_> then I drop down and make another pass at like .005 above zero
[21:17:59] <PetefromTn_> when the flashing gets this thin and the flycutter goes back over it it makes a crazy racket
[21:18:02] <PetefromTn_> REALLY noisy
[21:18:15] <PetefromTn_> and the cutter is chattering like crazy over the thin areas
[21:18:27] <zeeshan|2> =\
[21:18:49] <zeeshan|2> yea having multiple inserts changes the natural frequency of resonance
[21:19:06] <PetefromTn_> then on the last pass where I take off that last .005 the single cutter will grab the piece and chuck it across the enclosure with a LOT of force as it comes to the end of the cut
[21:19:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah well actually when I finally get this facemill setup with an arbor and inserts I will cut the ENTIRE .116 off in a single pass
[21:20:23] <PetefromTn_> so NO chattering and no ripping and chucking the part off except for a smallish piece at the end which due to the 6 flutes will probably be a lot less dramatic.
[21:20:38] <zeeshan|2> much faster too! :P
[21:20:39] <PetefromTn_> then just a pass back thru .005 or so deep to finish
[21:20:44] <PetefromTn_> WAY faster
[21:20:52] <zeeshan|2> its aluminum
[21:20:53] <PetefromTn_> and cuts it from four passes to two
[21:21:01] <zeeshan|2> whats the rapid on your machine?
[21:21:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah aluminum
[21:21:03] <zeeshan|2> in x and y
[21:21:08] <PetefromTn_> 730
[21:21:10] <zeeshan|2> haha
[21:21:11] <zeeshan|2> hahah!~
[21:21:15] <zeeshan|2> 200 ipm that thing
[21:21:25] <zeeshan|2> i bet thats what the recommended speed is
[21:21:29] <zeeshan|2> at .020 ipt
[21:21:30] <PetefromTn_> actually I usually have it turned down to 300
[21:22:01] <PetefromTn_> I have not checked the recommended feeds and speeds but I am used to facemills at work
[21:22:16] <PetefromTn_> they use the shit out of them and remove a LOT of material quickly
[21:22:40] <zeeshan|2> i wish i shot a picture of this
[21:22:44] <PetefromTn_> this one tool will literally cut like 15 minutes out of my cycle time for my parts
[21:22:46] <zeeshan|2> but i was too busy dodging the chips
[21:23:05] <zeeshan|2> i had a 1.75" block and it needed to go down to 1.375
[21:23:10] <zeeshan|2> guess how many passes i took! :P
[21:23:30] <zeeshan|2> thats major time savings
[21:23:53] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/S4Y4A
[21:24:17] <PetefromTn_> nice
[21:24:24] <PetefromTn_> material?
[21:24:26] <zeeshan|2> .340 pass
[21:24:29] <zeeshan|2> then remaining finish
[21:24:32] <zeeshan|2> 50 ipm
[21:24:36] <zeeshan|2> er
[21:24:39] <zeeshan|2> 50 ipm for thef inish
[21:24:43] <zeeshan|2> 25 ipm for the .340
[21:24:45] <zeeshan|2> al
[21:24:54] <zeeshan|2> (im a pansy to go faster)
[21:25:24] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: is there a faster way to square a block?
[21:25:28] <zeeshan|2> there has to be
[21:25:42] <zeeshan|2> it still takes me a good 10 mins to square a block.
[21:25:49] <zeeshan|2> and its all manual effort
[21:25:52] <PetefromTn_> squaring stock takes half the time LOL
[21:26:00] <zeeshan|2> yea man :/
[21:26:20] <PetefromTn_> I have a simple facing program I use for stuff like that and I just hand edit it for what I need at the machine usually
[21:26:46] <PetefromTn_> that's why I just buy barstock and surface/cut to depth for most stuff
[21:26:57] <zeeshan|2> i buy bar stock
[21:26:59] <zeeshan|2> but the problem is
[21:27:04] <zeeshan|2> it always has frigging scratches on it
[21:27:08] <zeeshan|2> its so annoying
[21:27:18] <zeeshan|2> i can do a half ass jobed and leave em
[21:27:31] <zeeshan|2> but it bothers me
[21:27:45] <zeeshan|2> and the other thing w/ aluminum bar stock lately that ie been getting
[21:27:51] <zeeshan|2> it's all frigging MAJORLY undersized
[21:27:54] <zeeshan|2> not a thou
[21:27:57] <zeeshan|2> like 15 thou undersize.
[21:27:59] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKmvtQqF-fY
[21:28:02] <zeeshan|2> fuckers are scamming
[21:28:41] <zeeshan|2> looks like a .1875 doc?
[21:28:44] <zeeshan|2> in that video?
[21:28:52] <PetefromTn_> something like that
[21:29:15] <zeeshan|2> that mill is like "just taking a cruise through some metal"
[21:29:17] <zeeshan|2> "la la la"
[21:30:07] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI-ds_NYscE
[21:30:53] <PetefromTn_> what I found great about them too is the cutting edges lasted a long time unless you screwed up
[21:31:22] <zeeshan|2> i like that octomill
[21:31:35] <zeeshan|2> only prob i see is those octagon inserts
[21:31:41] <zeeshan|2> will be hard to find in a lot :P
[21:31:51] <PetefromTn_> why? they sell them everywhere
[21:32:01] <PetefromTn_> and you get 16 cutting edges PER insert
[21:32:19] * zeeshan|2 checks ebay
[21:33:07] <zeeshan|2> you cant beat a round insert!
[21:33:12] <zeeshan|2> infinite amount of edges per insert
[21:33:13] <zeeshan|2> haha
[21:33:41] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ingersoll-Octagon-Carbide-Inserts-9-Inserts-/141717780765?hash=item20ff09b91d
[21:33:42] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have wondered if they would work good. I know I have used rounded ground cutters on the lathe and always got a nice surface finish with them
[21:33:43] <zeeshan|2> not bad
[21:33:55] <zeeshan|2> they work okay
[21:33:58] <zeeshan|2> but use a LOT of horsepower
[21:34:06] <zeeshan|2> i can tell right away vs the ajx tool geometry
[21:34:11] <zeeshan|2> both are same diameter 2"
[21:34:40] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/new-packs-of-10-Kennemetal-octagon-inserts-/321884346574?hash=item4af1cd58ce
[21:34:42] <zeeshan|2> okay i take that back
[21:34:44] <Tom_itx> they're not for everything though
[21:34:45] <zeeshan|2> you can find them cheap
[21:34:58] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBkc-HRM_Xc :D
[21:36:28] <zeeshan|2> nice!!
[21:36:29] <zeeshan|2> rape
[21:36:56] <zeeshan|2> dat finish
[21:37:22] <PetefromTn_> not bad I hope I get similar results with my Maritool facemill
[21:37:30] <PetefromTn_> Can't wait to try it out...
[21:37:42] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9mLntJWkTs
[21:37:44] <zeeshan|2> wtf?
[21:37:45] <zeeshan|2> so fast
[21:38:25] <zeeshan|2> somerthing is fishy about that
[21:39:25] <PetefromTn_> says high feed chip thinning insert geometry....who knows..
[21:42:06] <zeeshan|2> okay bed time
[21:42:07] <zeeshan|2> :D
[21:42:16] <zeeshan|2> i hope i get this machien diassembled after work tommo
[21:42:34] <furrywolf> keep all the parts!
[21:42:34] <PetefromTn_> good luck man
[21:42:50] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: for the last time mate
[21:42:52] <zeeshan|2> no room
[21:43:00] <zeeshan|2> will buy new compact parts
[21:43:10] <zeeshan|2> i'd love to keep the old stuff
[21:43:16] <furrywolf> pallet in the back yard with a tarp over it.
[21:43:17] <zeeshan|2> but im not in the right position to do that now
[21:43:22] <zeeshan|2> its too heavy to put it there
[21:43:30] <zeeshan|2> the conveyor is 550lb..
[21:43:38] <zeeshan|2> i have no way to get it back there
[21:43:41] <zeeshan|2> i just dont wanna deal with it
[21:43:43] <furrywolf> that's single-person movable.
[21:43:49] <zeeshan|2> gnite :P
[21:43:57] <jdh> build a carport over the driveway
[21:44:02] <furrywolf> my welder is 650lbs...
[21:51:41] <Jymmm> sumo welder!
[21:53:35] <diginet> furrywolf: your welder needs gastric bypass
[21:54:42] <Wolf_Mill> really, my welder is 45lbs
[21:56:12] <Tom_itx> wuss
[21:56:53] <Wolf_Mill> only 200A
[21:56:55] <furrywolf> it has a 14hp Onan engine, puts out 250A at 100% duty, and puts out 6kW AC too...
[21:57:13] <Tom_itx> well mine's only 175
[21:57:35] <Tom_itx> i had a old but nice lincoln gas powered stick welder
[21:58:19] <Tom_itx> got a miller mig now
[21:58:37] <furrywolf> I want a tig/stick combo machine, like a syncrowave or something.
[21:58:54] <Tom_itx> i don't use it alot
[21:59:03] <Tom_itx> but it's nice to have one
[21:59:16] <furrywolf> I have a miller wire feeder that'll run off any stick supply
[21:59:25] <Wolf_Mill> http://wolfmetalfab.com/pics/weldingcart/slides/IMG_0071.JPG
[21:59:28] <furrywolf> brb
[22:00:07] <furrywolf> I also have a Miller Dialarc 250 stick supply, but a nice tig/stick unit would take its place.
[22:03:58] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/newwelder01.jpg http://fw.bushytails.net/sizecomp01.jpg there's the dialarc... http://fw.bushytails.net/aea200le01.jpg there's the miller welder-generator I'm currently trying to sell... don't think I have any pics of my lincoln welder-generator handy.
[22:05:38] <furrywolf> I'm asking $1000 for the Miller welder-generator, but will take trades. :P
[22:10:16] <Tom_itx> my old one was pull start :)
[22:10:37] <Tom_itx> aka rope, no recoil
[22:10:59] <furrywolf> both of mine are electric start.
[22:11:18] <Tom_itx> rope is cheaper than batteries?
[22:11:40] <Tom_itx> it was a stubborn mule too
[22:12:35] <furrywolf> if you want fun, my diesel generator is pull-start.
[22:12:58] <Tom_itx> either would help that
[22:13:06] <Tom_itx> ether?
[22:13:43] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/Yanmar%20Starting%20Instructions.png http://fw.bushytails.net/Yanmar%20Starting%20Instructions%202.png very japanese
[22:25:28] <Jymmm> That's a VERY ANGRY looking motor, and finger pointing too!
[22:29:45] <furrywolf> yep
[22:30:08] <furrywolf> and trust me, you'll be just as angry back.
[22:30:14] <furrywolf> it tries to break your shoulder
[22:30:28] <Jymmm> haha, what gen is this?
[22:32:33] <furrywolf> it's a military 24V generator, puts out 24V @ 100A. I got it with plans to use it to charge my solar system, but it is WAY too fucking loud.
[22:33:27] <Jymmm> ah, gotcha. I wish I had a need for 24V
[22:35:32] <furrywolf> it's pretty simple construction... it's a marine alternator bolted to the engine with a shaft coupler.
[22:35:45] <furrywolf> and... that's it. a box with the voltage regulator.
[22:38:39] <furrywolf> I thought about trying to drive the alternator with 3-phase to serve as a starter, but decided there is NO way it'd ever make anything near the torque needed to start that engine.
[22:39:15] <Jymmm> Tractor with PTO ?
[22:40:12] <furrywolf> ... that kinda defeats the point of a generator.
[22:40:45] <Jymmm> generating your own electricity from gasoline/diesel?
[22:42:35] <furrywolf> if I have a tractor with a pto, using it to start a portable generator seems pointless.
[22:43:12] <Jymmm> Oh , heh, no, I mean using the PTO to spin the 24V alternator
[22:43:34] <furrywolf> the tractor isn't going to be any quieter. :P
[22:43:45] <Jymmm> Some are
[22:44:00] <furrywolf> it needs a second muffler and a soundproof box.
[22:49:05] <Jymmm> lol
[22:49:49] <Jymmm> sounds like the leaf blowers I'm shopping for
[22:50:26] <Jymmm> But, I think I've settled for the Toro 51618, 2spd corded
[22:52:24] <furrywolf> leafblowers are a public nuiscance.
[22:54:29] <Jymmm> True, but a necessary evil, tracking pine needle sap is not fun
[22:54:52] <furrywolf> if you really need to screw with your leaves, get a rake. :P
[22:55:54] <Jymmm> doens't work in gravel sadly
[22:56:09] <Jymmm> or on wood piles
[22:56:48] <furrywolf> lol
[22:56:57] <furrywolf> don't make wood piles under trees.
[22:57:06] <furrywolf> and leaf blowers on gravel create dust clouds.
[22:57:13] <Jymmm> I'm in a forest, EVERYTHING is "under trees" =)
[22:58:03] <furrywolf> then don't complain about leaves? lol
[22:58:03] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[22:58:10] <Jymmm> g'night
[22:58:17] * furrywolf has never felt the need to own or use a leafblower
[22:58:39] <furrywolf> but I've often felt the need to stuff one in someone's ear!
[22:58:56] <Jymmm> neither have I, thus shopping around. but the kid across the way blew off the driveway in nothing flat
[22:59:03] <Jymmm> after the storm
[22:59:35] <Jymmm> plus I need to clean the gutters =)
[22:59:43] <furrywolf> just remember that if you use one before 7am, someone WILL club you over the head with it.
[22:59:55] <Jymmm> =)
[23:00:01] <furrywolf> garden hose. blower won't be able to get the accumulated wet or caked dirt out of the bottom.
[23:00:09] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I had to slot this piece for work in the mill
[23:00:18] <PetefromTn_> and I got it all setup carefully
[23:00:26] <PetefromTn_> clamped it down and started cutting
[23:00:26] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Ha, only 22PSI
[23:00:37] <PetefromTn_> everything is going perfect and I get the cut done real nice
[23:00:56] <furrywolf> and you slotted the wrong side of it? :)
[23:00:57] <PetefromTn_> then I am retracting the bit manually and I turn the damn MPG wheel the wrong way !!!
[23:01:16] * Jymmm hands PetefromTn_ a shot and a beer
[23:01:20] <PetefromTn_> Luckily it was in .0001 incremental mode so it only kissed off a little bit
[23:01:38] <PetefromTn_> REALLY pissed me off for my being STUPID LOL
[23:01:52] <furrywolf> lucky you didn't snap the bit
[23:02:00] <PetefromTn_> but the part should still work fine it honestly did not need to be supremely accurate anyways for what it does.
[23:02:21] <PetefromTn_> naah this Yg1 coated carbide would rip thru that steel pretty damn quick LOL
[23:02:24] <furrywolf> will anyone else ever see it? :)
[23:02:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah ME
[23:02:39] <furrywolf> redo the slot at the slightly deeper depth.
[23:02:46] <PetefromTn_> I know its there and that I screwed the pooch LOL
[23:03:14] <PetefromTn_> I actually would tig weld the metal back and remachine it if only my tig welder was here at MY shop hehe
[23:04:30] <PetefromTn_> Other than that it came out pretty nice.
[23:05:09] <PetefromTn_> I have been doing a bunch of work here in my shop for stuff at work and I have fallen behind on my own parts orders gotta get some shit done tomorrow for sure..
[23:05:46] <furrywolf> bbl
[23:06:06] <furrywolf> as I said, re-cut at the slightly deeper depth so it all looks perfect. :P
[23:08:55] <PetefromTn_> heh
[23:08:59] <PetefromTn_> its all good man
[23:09:05] <PetefromTn_> gonna hit the sack too. gn8
[23:12:03] <Wolf_Mill> :D http://i.imgur.com/OeR3fzr.jpg
[23:12:39] <PetefromTn_> sweet drawbar man!
[23:13:06] <Wolf_Mill> works nice
[23:13:23] <PetefromTn_> I'm sure
[23:14:30] <Contract_Pilot> Dam just sucked up 10 more of them drives
[23:14:40] <Contract_Pilot> got to be on it.
[23:14:48] <PetefromTn_> what drives?
[23:14:51] <Wolf_Mill> wut
[23:14:59] <Contract_Pilot> the 8.00 ones
[23:15:14] <Wolf_Mill> stepper drivers?
[23:15:40] <Contract_Pilot> Yep, the M542 V2.0 with motor
[23:16:07] <Wolf_Mill> damn...
[23:16:11] <Wolf_Mill> I need 3 :/
[23:16:14] <Contract_Pilot> the last one i orderd was not a 78in oz it was a 425in oz
[23:16:25] <Contract_Pilot> Same part number.
[23:18:41] <Praesmeodymium> lucky you
[23:18:52] <Praesmeodymium> I want bigger motors ;)
[23:19:21] <Contract_Pilot> Well is they come in at 425in oz that will be good.
[23:19:51] <Contract_Pilot> if they come in at 78in oz will suck but ill list them on ebay for 9.00 hahaha
[23:20:07] <Praesmeodymium> I have nema 17's that big
[23:20:13] <Wolf_Mill> thats what I'm running right now, I want a set of ~250oz for the x1 tho
[23:21:08] <Wolf_Mill> the 425oz in on the x1 right now, I broke a 7/16 endmill in half on a oops
[23:21:19] <Wolf_Mill> stepper didnt stall
[23:22:15] <Contract_Pilot> Sent them an e-mail with a photo of the PSU with the crushed cap and it was no big deal il'l fix it. They Just responded thay are sending me out a replacement.
[23:52:46] <Wolf_> where ya snipe that last batch from?
[23:54:28] <fenn> apparently they post new ones on walmart at a certain time every day
[23:54:59] <Wolf_> ahh
[23:58:34] <Praesmeodymium> I wish it was quite that easy
[23:59:15] <Praesmeodymium> there was some similarity in times but contract pilot got the last batch well before I even checked
[23:59:57] <Praesmeodymium> so at some point during someones workday they post 5 or 10 motors to walmart is my guess