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[00:01:22] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: that first machinei is cool
[00:01:35] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: shrug
[00:01:40] <zeeshan|2> i set goals and achieve em
[00:01:43] <furrywolf> Jymmm: that's one of the designs I was thinking of, but I didn't think it'd be universal, or fast...
[00:02:45] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Overnight seems more than reasonable to me, it is custom one-off sheet metal forming
[00:03:54] * furrywolf has found something always fucks up any non-trivial goal
[00:04:22] <zeeshan|2> that strain path
[00:04:26] <zeeshan|2> would be completely different from stamping
[00:04:30] <zeeshan|2> but very cool concept
[00:04:31] <Jymmm> Logistics is my nemesis
[00:04:40] <zeeshan|2> gnite
[00:04:48] <Jymmm> gnight pookey
[00:07:55] <XXCoder> that was hell of a fun :D
[00:08:01] <Jymmm> fortuna... damn lost eureka
[00:08:04] <XXCoder> learning stuff and running my machibe
[00:08:47] <XXCoder> odd thing though if acceration or speed is high enough it would "jam" and not move
[00:08:59] <XXCoder> adjusted so it dont happen but wonder why
[00:09:07] <Jymmm> servo or steppers?
[00:09:11] <XXCoder> stepper
[00:09:19] <Jymmm> did they stall?
[00:09:34] <XXCoder> not sure
[00:09:42] <Jymmm> you'll hear it if they do
[00:09:53] <XXCoder> thats not happening anytime soon :)
[00:10:02] <Jymmm> oh, DUH... sorry
[00:10:11] <XXCoder> np
[00:10:23] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[00:10:47] <Jymmm> XXCoder: dual post motors?
[00:10:55] <XXCoder> 4 wire motors
[00:10:59] <Jymmm> POST
[00:11:04] <Jymmm> shaft
[00:11:08] <Jymmm> dual shaft
[00:11:09] <Jymmm> ?
[00:11:12] <XXCoder> ahh no
[00:11:14] <XXCoder> single
[00:11:50] <Jymmm> I would toss on a piece of tape aroudn the leadscrew or shaft, then you can see if it pauses
[00:12:34] <Jymmm> XXCoder: like this, but in a free area of the leadscrew
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fBwQSXmn93U/U31_Wose6sI/AAAAAAAAAyw/6cUZbJAlpGg/s1600/Motors.JPG
[00:12:52] <Jymmm> or coupleing nut, whatever, just a visial indicator
[00:12:56] <XXCoder> thats what I did before
[00:12:59] <Jymmm> visual*
[00:13:11] <Jymmm> what drives?
[00:13:16] <XXCoder> but then I didnt try 2000 ns but 5000 ns umm motor rest or something
[00:13:34] <XXCoder> its 2000 now
[00:13:43] <Jymmm> what drivers are you using?
[00:13:59] <XXCoder> tb6560
[00:14:08] <Jymmm> wtf is that? lol
[00:14:20] <XXCoder> cheap chinese cnc board
[00:14:21] <Jymmm> oh gawd
[00:14:25] <furrywolf> chinese board with a counterfeit toshiba chip.
[00:14:31] <Jymmm> lol
[00:14:44] <Jymmm> consider a G540?
[00:15:05] <XXCoder> I do want a upgrade but not right away
[00:15:20] <XXCoder> just want cheap cnc to learn stuff till I upgrade stuff
[00:15:56] <Jymmm> DAMN... OEM750's aint cheap now
[00:17:42] <Jymmm> $150+
[00:17:52] <Jymmm> and from overseas too
[00:18:09] <XXCoder> found $300 one
[00:18:11] <XXCoder> looks nice
[00:18:18] <XXCoder> nice ports and all
[00:19:13] <Jymmm> Long ago I got 4 OEM750's -and- 3 OEM650's -and- a couple really nice stepper motors all for $240 shipped off ebay
[00:20:36] <Jymmm> XXCoder: The reason I asked what drivers is that quality ones have mid-band compensation to prevent stalling.
[00:20:38] <XXCoder> http://www.homanndesigns.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=55
[00:20:57] <Jymmm> XXCoder: you in .au?
[00:20:57] <XXCoder> bah "no motors included"
[00:21:06] <XXCoder> nah
[00:21:09] <XXCoder> just browsing
[00:21:11] <Jymmm> smack
[00:21:37] <Jymmm> XXCoder:
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/gecko-g540
[00:21:37] <XXCoder> no thanks i dont like being kissed lol
[00:21:53] <Jymmm> with a clue-by-four
[00:22:11] <XXCoder> pay little more for 4 axis so I can jurt rig 4th axis
[00:22:24] <XXCoder> jury
[00:22:48] <Jymmm> =)
[00:23:10] <XXCoder> just mount stock directly on stepper secured to desk
[00:23:20] <XXCoder> not too fancy but wood dont need all that much force
[00:23:35] <Jymmm> you would be surprised
[00:24:36] <XXCoder> yeah?
[00:24:52] <XXCoder> I suppose hardwoods would need quite a for of force but less than Al
[00:24:59] <Jymmm> just depends on the wood and what you're doing
[00:26:50] <XXCoder> makes sense
[00:27:16] <XXCoder> anyway I got nice LinuxCNC pencil drawn paper now lol
[00:27:23] <XXCoder> and random stuff drawn on it too
[00:27:32] <XXCoder> like few cubes and really tiny cube
[00:27:44] <XXCoder> and few circles too. couldnt figure how to just do arc
[00:27:53] <Jymmm> Now, just add the hot glue gun and you'll have your very own 3D printer =)
[00:28:13] <XXCoder> still waiting on that $161 big hot glue gun machine
[00:28:24] <XXCoder> lets see if its fake or something
[00:28:41] <Jymmm> $161?! FUCK THAT.... $0.99 hot glue gun form dollar store
[00:28:51] <XXCoder> its commerical style
[00:28:52] <Praesmeodymium> I bought 2
[00:28:56] <XXCoder> normal price $1610
[00:29:05] <Jymmm> XXCoder: {SUCKER}
[00:29:10] <Praesmeodymium> I read from reviews it will need to be gutted and rebuilt
[00:29:18] <Praesmeodymium> which was my plan
[00:29:36] <XXCoder> just $161, just ballscrews and motors go quite a bit over that,
[00:29:43] <Praesmeodymium> the electronics motors, belts pulley all need to go
[00:29:56] <Praesmeodymium> ship[ping on a crated printer is about that
[00:35:22] <XXCoder> cool
[00:35:34] <XXCoder> hope come comes with mostly working printer lol
[00:35:39] <XXCoder> or nice and awesome cinder box lol
[00:45:58] <Praesmeodymium> print head and extruder also crap, springs under the bed, and the z stage is gonna bind without some redesign
[00:48:02] <XXCoder> and its supposely $1610 machine.
[00:48:06] <XXCoder> gonna love chinese
[00:48:20] <Praesmeodymium> I think people were pissed off at the cost when its not worth 800$
[00:48:40] <XXCoder> wonder if thats why its being sold in firesale
[00:48:43] <XXCoder> because its crappy
[00:49:04] <XXCoder> but then its parts is worth its parts. and 161 is even cheaper than shipping and its free shipping.
[00:49:07] <Praesmeodymium> the current theory from the unboxing thread is the company is going out of business and rebranding
[00:50:13] <XXCoder> ot that thread?
[00:50:15] <XXCoder> im curious
[00:50:36] <XXCoder> *got
[00:50:49] <Praesmeodymium> https://www.ez-robot.com/Community/Forum/posts.aspx?threadId=7623&page=1
[00:51:28] <XXCoder> geez volume is big
[00:52:15] <Praesmeodymium> somewhere in that thread is a config file that leads me to beleive the electronics are a mks based smoothie clone, and the z rod is a 5mm lead
[00:52:30] <XXCoder> 5mm? thats tiny
[00:52:35] <Praesmeodymium> and the xy belts are something fucked up
[00:52:37] <XXCoder> my router uses 16mm
[00:52:42] <Praesmeodymium> not diameter lead
[00:53:01] <XXCoder> ah 5 mm per rotation
[00:53:07] <XXCoder> like my machine
[00:53:08] <Praesmeodymium> which the smallest is like a 1205 iirc
[00:53:23] <Praesmeodymium> I'm sure they went chepest [possible
[00:53:49] <Praesmeodymium> 57mm motors are pretty shitty little nema 17's
[00:54:19] <XXCoder> to life that volume space geez
[00:54:25] <XXCoder> upgradable?
[00:54:31] <XXCoder> dont care if bit loss of volume
[00:54:38] <Praesmeodymium> I am betting on it
[00:54:42] <Praesmeodymium> lol
[00:55:08] <XXCoder> well I can always recycle my nema23s whenever I upgrade my cnc router
[00:55:37] <Praesmeodymium> the good news is I know I can make parts, mine would be printed and only a little shitty, but I have ton of decent nema17's I can drop inplace if theres room
[00:56:08] <XXCoder> I suspect my nema23s are little undersized for my cnc router
[00:56:16] <XXCoder> but it works so whatever for now lol
[00:56:21] <Praesmeodymium> psu, actual mcu I have a shit load of spare parts that need a frame
[00:56:58] <Praesmeodymium> I have no idea what the motors I picked up should be used for
[00:59:42] <Praesmeodymium> I've turned my packratism and retail therapy into an electonics and motors collection
[00:59:55] <XXCoder> lol
[01:03:46] <archivist> legitimate collection
[01:04:36] <[cube]> router, plasma cutter :)
[01:05:22] <XXCoder> cnc router only here currently but I hope to get a working cnc 3dprinter soon :)
[01:05:29] <Praesmeodymium> router for wood is a goal, but I realize I cant afford to do it right yet, and theres no point in doing it wrong
[01:05:54] <[cube]> Nice XXcoder
[01:06:07] <[cube]> printing is definitely fun
[01:06:11] <XXCoder> I finally ran it for first time and properly today
[01:06:20] <XXCoder> drew linuxcnc on paper
[01:06:22] <[cube]> right on
[01:06:23] <Praesmeodymium> bigger box for the laser cutter is another goal, turn the k40 china laser into something real
[01:06:36] <[cube]> neat
[01:06:40] <XXCoder> I really want laser printer but doubt I will do that.
[01:06:57] <[cube]> sometimes think about just ordering a tube
[01:06:58] <Praesmeodymium> I wish i had gone with a router insted of a laser tbh
[01:06:59] <[cube]> 60w maybe
[01:07:00] <archivist> doing it wrong at first is a good learning experience
[01:07:19] <Praesmeodymium> lasers have a rather limited use set
[01:07:27] <[cube]> gotta say tho, the glowforge looks amazing
[01:07:27] <XXCoder> archivist: indeed
[01:07:39] <XXCoder> I'm thinking about getting laser head for my router
[01:07:40] <Praesmeodymium> its a 40w laser
[01:07:50] <XXCoder> enclosure is a MUST when I do that
[01:07:54] <Praesmeodymium> the software and the lenses make it pretty damn useful
[01:07:57] <XXCoder> not in any hurrt though
[01:07:59] <Praesmeodymium> err cameras
[01:08:04] <[cube]> yeah
[01:08:12] <[cube]> the 'ease of use ' factor is impressive for sure
[01:08:28] <XXCoder> I plan to install shitty camera at my cnc router so I can look at it when at my room
[01:08:30] <Praesmeodymium> like the hardware is totally nothing special the software on the otherhand is a great take
[01:08:52] <Praesmeodymium> like laser origami is one of the uses they mention
[01:09:18] <[cube]> yeah
[01:09:23] <[cube]> they have a filter system too
[01:09:27] <[cube]> wonder how it works
[01:09:32] <Praesmeodymium> I dont think they had a program for it yet but they got 5million to develop it now
[01:09:33] <[cube]> $500 addon
[01:09:36] <[cube]> no need to vent
[01:10:13] <[cube]> this is how I came to know about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R3mMUsHFvU
[01:10:16] <Praesmeodymium> I dont know how much I buy that
[01:10:32] <Praesmeodymium> its a small carbon filter in a serious fume generrating system
[01:10:42] <[cube]> that's what I was thinking
[01:10:46] <Praesmeodymium> also no air assist so fire danger ;)
[01:10:56] <[cube]> my impression from these guys is they're not messing around
[01:11:40] <XXCoder> I'm pretty sure you guys can add air assist
[01:11:46] <XXCoder> all it does is push air out right?
[01:11:52] <XXCoder> and bring in fresh filtered air
[01:12:13] <[cube]> the glowforge has venting required by default
[01:12:29] <Praesmeodymium> its a concetrated air stream preferably 20psi ish to remove heat and non ablative materials from the cut
[01:12:35] <[cube]> but you can upgrade $500 and apparently have it sit in the middle of the room and no venting required
[01:12:42] <[cube]> I'm skeptical how the filter works
[01:12:49] <[cube]> and how soon y ou need to replace it
[01:12:50] <Praesmeodymium> it also protects the lens
[01:13:23] <XXCoder> laser and cnc rourter is interesting counterpoints to each other
[01:13:44] <XXCoder> many parts can be made in either but theres some aspects either one cant and other can
[01:15:03] <Praesmeodymium> the dust and smoke picks up kinectic and thermal energy from the beam and can end up being hot sparks impacting the lenses and mirrors i think the mitigate this with a smaller covered beam path but the oout put lens will stick get smoke on it and it absorbs 20% or more of the power going through it
[01:15:41] <Praesmeodymium> lenses are generally consider s consumable like the laser tube
[01:15:57] <[cube]> this unit encloses the laser head i believe
[01:16:14] <XXCoder> is that tube or diode?
[01:16:17] <Praesmeodymium> thats what I was saying, but it still has a lens out
[01:16:21] <XXCoder> looks like tube
[01:16:23] <Praesmeodymium> its a tube on the gantry
[01:16:28] <[cube]> ah
[01:16:37] <[cube]> the filter probably 'sucks' the fumes
[01:16:41] <[cube]> and runs them through it
[01:17:03] <[cube]> there was another product for printers like that called the 'scurbber' i think
[01:17:07] <[cube]> *scrubber
[01:17:17] <[cube]> but still i question how effective they are
[01:17:30] <[cube]> i'm drilling holes in my wall tomorrow to vent my printer fumes for the winter
[01:18:02] <XXCoder> can printer fumes be scubbed by house filuter type or is it too tiny paracules?
[01:18:49] <[cube]> i have no idea to be honest
[01:18:58] <[cube]> but the fumes do affect me
[01:19:09] <[cube]> giv eme headache, scrtchy throat (even PLA)
[01:19:17] <Praesmeodymium> way to small
[01:19:19] <XXCoder> thanks for warning
[01:19:27] <[cube]> so when you're printing for 12 hrs in a 10x10 room...
[01:19:43] <[cube]> its manageable in the summer with window open and fan
[01:19:44] <Praesmeodymium> 116nm ~
[01:19:46] <Praesmeodymium> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1352231013005086
[01:19:48] <[cube]> but winter i dont think so
[01:20:05] <XXCoder> [cube]: use air heat exchanger to preserve heat in your space
[01:20:09] <XXCoder> easy to build too
[01:20:10] <[cube]> yeah
[01:20:14] <[cube]> i built one yesterday
[01:20:17] <Praesmeodymium> its abs thats bad pla doesnt look heavy
[01:20:20] <[cube]> well...started
[01:20:29] <XXCoder> nice nice
[01:21:08] <[cube]> http://i.imgur.com/4Gwry4R.jpg
[01:21:17] <XXCoder> just thought one of exampkles where laser rock and cnc router cant. sharp inside corners.
[01:21:38] <[cube]> for the cold air intake im going to pull it from one of those silly 'popcan' solar heaters lol
[01:21:41] <[cube]> figure it can't hurt
[01:21:52] <Praesmeodymium> I can laser fep and leather
[01:22:12] <Praesmeodymium> although fep fumes will kill you
[01:22:12] <XXCoder> so you pass inside and outside air though channels seperately? I'm imanaging such hard work so many small channels to connect?
[01:22:26] <[cube]> yeah
[01:22:32] <[cube]> the channels are alternating
[01:22:40] <[cube]> so i need to build the box next
[01:22:48] <[cube]> that quarantines off the channels
[01:22:48] <XXCoder> so its in, foam, out, foam, in, so on?
[01:22:54] <XXCoder> bit easier
[01:23:06] <[cube]> nono
[01:23:07] <[cube]> no foam
[01:23:14] <[cube]> its all coroplast
[01:23:14] <XXCoder> wouldnt metal one exchange heat easier?
[01:23:17] <XXCoder> oh
[01:23:25] <[cube]> http://i.imgur.com/rsXxply.jpg
[01:23:41] <XXCoder> ahh I see it now
[01:23:48] <[cube]> with this design you can expect approx 30% recovery
[01:23:49] <XXCoder> so one side is cold and other is inside
[01:23:56] <[cube]> yeah
[01:23:58] <[cube]> except...
[01:23:59] <XXCoder> isnt 50% perfect effecacy
[01:24:02] <[cube]> it'll be HOT printer air
[01:24:18] <XXCoder> not bd
[01:24:21] <[cube]> also the popcan 'preheater will help
[01:24:32] <[cube]> i'll be putting in thermometers in akll the spots for fun
[01:24:41] <XXCoder> all?
[01:24:44] <[cube]> ye
[01:24:53] <XXCoder> each holes?
[01:24:56] <XXCoder> or row?
[01:24:58] <[cube]> gonna run all the pc fans of an 85w solar panel
[01:25:09] <[cube]> no in eat spot to compare temps
[01:25:20] <[cube]> like... inside, outside, recovered
[01:25:24] <[cube]> *each spot
[01:25:28] <XXCoder> mkes sense
[01:26:11] <[cube]> also connecting in a soldering exhaust while im doing it
[01:26:22] <[cube]> but i'll have a blast gate closed when not in use
[01:26:24] <XXCoder> fume hood
[01:26:31] <[cube]> yeah, that hehe
[01:26:35] <XXCoder> not be confused with fume 'hood ;)
[01:26:50] <[cube]> fume 'extractor'
[01:26:57] <[cube]> hood is being generous
[01:27:10] <XXCoder> why not build one? it isnt too hard
[01:27:25] <[cube]> i am
[01:27:27] <XXCoder> ll you need is sides back and nice oven top
[01:27:38] <[cube]> i mean, it's going to be small
[01:27:41] <[cube]> like 20cm
[01:27:51] <[cube]> right above work area
[01:27:55] <XXCoder> you know those oven top vent thingy, just modify it a little and its now fume hood top
[01:28:04] <[cube]> yeah
[01:28:08] <[cube]> my space isn't big enough for that
[01:28:11] <XXCoder> go to habit for humaity for junky one for cheap
[01:28:12] <[cube]> thought about finidng a used one
[01:28:19] <XXCoder> space is always a problem lol
[01:28:22] <Praesmeodymium> 2x4's and visquene
[01:28:25] <XXCoder> trying to figure where to put my machine.
[01:28:27] <[cube]> but the small one i'm making will be more directed at the fumes
[01:28:32] <XXCoder> its in downstairs living room now./
[01:28:33] <[cube]> i'll soldering right under it
[01:28:40] <XXCoder> that works in least
[01:28:40] <[cube]> for your reference:
http://i.imgur.com/apMQHa0.jpg
[01:28:49] <XXCoder> its not like youre using heavy chemicals.
[01:29:02] <[cube]> i'll be making mine bit different than that link
[01:29:06] <XXCoder> cheap build
[01:29:07] <[cube]> but gives u the idea
[01:29:12] <[cube]> ya
[01:29:35] <Praesmeodymium> I consider my resin printer rather toxic
[01:29:39] <XXCoder> it can be made to exchange naturally no fans I bet
[01:29:47] <XXCoder> due to pressure difference
[01:29:52] <[cube]> heh yea resin can get yucky
[01:30:05] <[cube]> probably but i wannt pump that bad air out
[01:30:14] <XXCoder> can wood strands be used on printer I bought?
[01:30:28] <[cube]> laywood?
[01:30:30] <XXCoder> dunno proper name
[01:30:32] <Praesmeodymium> lawoo3d and a bamboo now
[01:30:45] <Praesmeodymium> also a hemp one I just heard about
[01:30:51] <XXCoder> hemp nice!
[01:31:02] <XXCoder> hemp really should replace most of wood needs
[01:31:22] <XXCoder> you can get more from arce, AND its annual harvest not per few years
[01:31:26] <Praesmeodymium> larger diameter nozzles .5mm+ are recommended for filaments like that smaller like to clog
[01:31:40] <XXCoder> and no, you CANT smoke hemp and get high. well you can but insanely hjard work.
[01:31:58] <Praesmeodymium> hypoxia just doesnt last as long
[01:32:11] <XXCoder> ok
[01:32:19] <XXCoder> funny, didnt plan to get one for a while
[01:32:23] <XXCoder> and.. whoa. :P
[01:33:21] <Praesmeodymium> well if that mingda is yer first 3d printer your natural instinct as a cnc guy to make everything stiffer and stronger is definetly correct for that machine ;)
[01:34:35] <Praesmeodymium> thingiverse has some upgrades according to that thread
[01:34:56] <XXCoder> nice!
[01:35:05] <XXCoder> love an item that can make upgrades for itself
[01:35:16] <XXCoder> I plan to cut some stuff to upgrade my cnc router too
[01:35:21] <XXCoder> like proper spindle holder
[01:35:36] <XXCoder> as well as vacuum hose holder and surrounds
[01:36:37] <XXCoder> I need much more stable base for it as table wobbles when cnc router runs and suddenly stops lol
[01:40:11] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: yet another hulk print lol
[01:40:25] <XXCoder> hulk must be everywhere near 3d printer lol
[01:40:39] <Praesmeodymium> I've never printed a hulk or a yoda
[01:40:43] <XXCoder> I need to get a unprinter when I get a printer so I can recycled.
[01:41:00] <XXCoder> I dont want hulk or yoda. my lego yoda will do for me forever.,
[01:41:09] <XXCoder> hes always been on shelf for long years now.
[01:41:18] <[cube]> lol
[01:41:40] <XXCoder> I bought it for $20. its valued MUCH more now.
[01:41:59] <[cube]> almost snagged a mindstorms set for $100
[01:42:11] <XXCoder> heh that one will never be valuable basically
[01:42:31] <XXCoder> but I loved my 2,0 but havent used it for long while now.
[01:42:36] <Praesmeodymium> recycled filament is crappy the plastic chains shorten everytime they get hot, it takes about 400w/h to melt a kg of plastic with an efficient plastic extrusion line
[01:42:46] <XXCoder> oh my mistake. its not hulk but satan
[01:42:56] <[cube]> lol
[01:42:58] <Praesmeodymium> I alos have a friend who makes filament for a living so take me with a grain of salt ;)
[01:43:09] <[cube]> yoda and satan's hybrid genetic offspring
[01:43:16] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: yea but I just refuse to throw it away
[01:43:22] <[cube]> melting filament not a good idea?
[01:43:31] <[cube]> over all?
[01:43:40] <[cube]> haven tmuch looked into it
[01:44:01] <XXCoder> http://www.wired.com/2013/01/filabot-plastic-recycler/
[01:44:01] <Praesmeodymium> the polymer chains get shorter every time its been melted
[01:44:06] <[cube]> 1kg of plastic is about $30 for me (CAD)
[01:44:22] <[cube]> 400w for 1 hr seems like it'll be much less than that
[01:44:36] <[cube]> hmmm
[01:44:42] <XXCoder> it can use other plastics
[01:44:45] <[cube]> interesting
[01:44:48] <XXCoder> I want to use milk jug ones
[01:44:49] <Praesmeodymium> many abs jams are because the hotend was left hot for awhile cooking the abs into carbon and thats happensing at 220 degrees
[01:44:52] <XXCoder> but dunno if workable.
[01:45:07] <[cube]> is there a lot research supporting that?
[01:45:13] <[cube]> (in the context of 3d printing)
[01:45:28] <[cube]> also an argument can be made for melting pellet plastic to save $
[01:45:39] <Praesmeodymium> research in 3d printing lol not really anything being researched is being patented
[01:45:55] <Praesmeodymium> but supporting what?
[01:46:01] <XXCoder> “So far the plastics that work are HDPE, LDPE, ABS, NYLON. More to come on the different types that work.”
[01:46:05] <XXCoder> nice
[01:46:11] <[cube]> i thought aobut melting my bad pla prints in a toaster over into sheets
[01:46:13] <XXCoder> I have big amount of nylon from work
[01:46:15] <[cube]> then shredding them
[01:46:23] <XXCoder> slugs from parts that was made
[01:46:24] <[cube]> *oven
[01:46:34] <Praesmeodymium> yeah richrap designed a cheap pellet extruder you can get bulk pellets for cheap like 10$ a kg
[01:46:42] <XXCoder> [cube]: did you read my link
[01:46:53] <Praesmeodymium> http://richrap.blogspot.com/2014/12/no-more-filament-quest-for-universal.html
[01:47:02] <[cube]> which link?
[01:47:06] <Praesmeodymium> I am familiar with the filastruder
[01:47:18] <[cube]> i say shred your old prints and mix in with pellets
[01:47:27] <[cube]> nice
[01:47:27] <XXCoder> dang
[01:47:38] <XXCoder> it'd be more expensive than my would-be 3d printer.
[01:47:45] <XXCoder> by factor of 10
[01:48:03] <[cube]> i dont print enough to justifiy all that
[01:48:06] <[cube]> not yet anyway
[01:48:17] <XXCoder> theres project to do yourself
[01:48:21] <XXCoder> lemme find it
[01:48:23] <Praesmeodymium> I think the shape of the screw is wrong and that makes a neat proof of concept but simplifies plastic injection a little too much
[01:48:48] <XXCoder> found it
[01:48:49] <[cube]> XXCoder: you mean the lyman?
[01:48:50] <XXCoder> http://deltaprinter.co.za/filamentextruder/index.html
[01:49:15] <[cube]> i think the cost doesnt justify it for me
[01:49:26] <[cube]> DIY version is going to cost you $300 likely
[01:49:35] <[cube]> filastruder 4x that
[01:49:41] <[cube]> thats a lot of rolls
[01:49:44] <XXCoder> yeah just under 2x my printer lol
[01:50:01] <XXCoder> wonder if theres adoptor to just directly use pellets
[01:50:05] <XXCoder> pr ground plastics
[01:50:09] <[cube]> thats what he just pasted
[01:50:12] <[cube]> i think
[01:50:23] <[cube]> pellet extruder design
[01:50:29] <[cube]> seems heavy
[01:50:38] <XXCoder> nono direct from pellet to print
[01:50:41] <XXCoder> no strand
[01:50:42] <[cube]> you'd need to have the extruder stationary
[01:50:47] <Praesmeodymium> http://richrap.blogspot.com/2014/12/no-more-filament-quest-for-universal.html
[01:50:47] <[cube]> and move the z axis down
[01:51:06] <Praesmeodymium> thats a pellet to print
[01:51:34] <[cube]> i feel like it would be slow
[01:52:23] <Praesmeodymium> at this point I would consider it a crime to maim a jhead like that
[01:52:34] <XXCoder> interesting
[01:53:00] <Praesmeodymium> the mfg of that hotend quit last week cant compete with repraps love for 7$hotends
[01:53:17] <XXCoder> I guess hotheads wear down
[01:53:32] <Praesmeodymium> depends on what ya run through em
[01:53:44] <Praesmeodymium> and what they are made of
[01:53:53] <XXCoder> pla and abs?
[01:53:58] <Praesmeodymium> carbon fiber filaments will eat a hotend
[01:54:17] <[cube]> the merlin i've got uses airbrush nozzles for the nozzle
[01:54:20] <[cube]> its pretty neat
[01:54:34] <Praesmeodymium> glow in the dark is abrasive too
[01:54:41] <[cube]> i ahve one for 0.2mm that i havent tried yet
[01:55:03] <XXCoder> t-glase Filament is.. interesting
[01:55:35] <[cube]> is...expensive... :P
[01:55:51] <XXCoder> 34 for one rell
[01:55:53] <XXCoder> reel
[01:56:20] <XXCoder> bit more $10 more than other plastics
[01:56:35] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: weird that glow in ark is abusive
[01:56:42] <XXCoder> some abustive paracles inside?
[01:56:52] <Praesmeodymium> strontium aluminate
[01:57:29] <XXCoder> interesting
[01:57:41] <XXCoder> glow in dark lightbulb :D
[02:00:35] <XXCoder> laybrick is interesting
[02:00:37] <XXCoder> stone stuff
[02:00:42] <XXCoder> wonder how tough it is
[02:01:48] <XXCoder> graphete abs
[02:02:02] <XXCoder> http://www.filabot.com/collections/filament
[02:02:41] <XXCoder> it says pla is sealed to keep wetness away
[02:02:52] <XXCoder> if I print do i need to seal it somehow?
[02:02:56] <XXCoder> or is it now "cooked"
[02:03:05] <Praesmeodymium> abs has much more of a problem, with moisture than pla
[02:03:37] <Praesmeodymium> generally pla doesnt need storage unless you live somwhere hot and humid
[02:03:39] <XXCoder> but lego dont fall apart with water? I know I played with em in water when OI was young.
[02:04:00] <[cube]> abs is water resistant, no?
[02:04:06] <Praesmeodymium> no they dont but they can absorb like 3% water which turns to steam when trying to print
[02:04:15] <XXCoder> hell I even washed abs lego in water in rare cases it need it
[02:04:18] <XXCoder> ahh
[02:04:28] <[cube]> pla will hold liquid right
[02:04:37] <Praesmeodymium> it will
[02:04:50] <[cube]> i tried to make an oiling valve with pla...
[02:04:53] <[cube]> thick heavy oil
[02:04:58] <[cube]> it seeped righ tout :P
[02:05:02] <Praesmeodymium> 3d printed is a poor solution to watertight for a lot of reasons
[02:05:12] <[cube]> at least with abs you can acetone seal
[02:05:39] <XXCoder> wood you buy this
http://www.filabot.com/collections/filament/products/laywoo-d3
[02:05:54] <Praesmeodymium> I can print a single wll vase thats watertight, it depends on a lot of things including printer tuning
[02:07:07] <XXCoder> wonder if dual head worth it
[02:07:08] <[cube]> that would be neat
[02:07:16] <Praesmeodymium> I couldnt bring myself to pay 152$ a kilo for filament
[02:07:35] <[cube]> yikes
[02:07:42] <Praesmeodymium> dual head is like 4times harder, get one going well first
[02:07:42] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: ever tried dual head?
[02:07:43] <[cube]> better off carving the damn thing out of wood lol
[02:07:54] <XXCoder> [cube]: or... cnc router lol
[02:08:01] <XXCoder> sure it cant do some tasks but yeah
[02:08:17] <[cube]> can your router do light metal?
[02:08:26] <XXCoder> not sure
[02:08:50] <XXCoder> probably not with its current spindle 27000 rpm cant change
[02:09:10] <Praesmeodymium> what ya mean this dremel cant router steel
[02:09:20] <XXCoder> its not dermel
[02:09:38] <Praesmeodymium> I'm sure yours isnt but thats what I could afford lol
[02:09:39] <XXCoder> its a grinder tool
[02:10:03] <XXCoder> not too great but good for now. I can make 53mm mounts so I can use real spindle
[02:10:13] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC5KOa-koTg
[02:10:15] <XXCoder> interesting
[02:10:32] <[cube]> hah
[02:10:34] <XXCoder> yeeesh it also has woman torso. so many nerds I suppose
[02:10:35] <[cube]> i made that wrench
[02:10:41] <XXCoder> [cube]: look at next one
[02:10:46] <XXCoder> one before woman torso
[02:11:22] <Praesmeodymium> that is a well tuned printer
[02:11:29] <[cube]> nice bewbs
[02:11:44] <XXCoder> sure but why do everyone print it
[02:11:55] <XXCoder> dont they have girlfriends
[02:12:08] <[cube]> mine dumped me becaus ei spent too much time on printer
[02:12:09] <Praesmeodymium> it makes your printer look good even though a shit printer can do it
[02:12:16] <[cube]> and not enough time playing scrabbble or some dumb shit
[02:12:38] <XXCoder> no more dilios for your girlfriend then
[02:12:49] <[cube]> haha
[02:12:59] <[cube]> that gimble prit is insane
[02:13:06] <XXCoder> exactly
[02:13:07] <Praesmeodymium> you can get a inaccurate xy it has no retracts so its as simple as it gets for the extruder
[02:13:25] <[cube]> this is my wrench
[02:13:27] <[cube]> http://i.imgur.com/H0HaASd.jpg
[02:13:28] <Praesmeodymium> I have one of those
[02:13:30] <[cube]> and my printer is shitty imo
[02:13:32] <Praesmeodymium> the gimbles
[02:13:38] <[cube]> nice
[02:13:44] <XXCoder> that works
[02:13:50] <XXCoder> how strong is it?
[02:13:53] <Praesmeodymium> did them before I got the heated bed
[02:13:55] <[cube]> the wrench?
[02:13:57] <XXCoder> can it do regular rusted in bolts lol
[02:14:07] <[cube]> heh maybe
[02:14:14] <[cube]> havent really tried
[02:14:24] <[cube]> the screw mechanism would break for sure
[02:14:49] <Praesmeodymium> http://imgur.com/UUaCtRS
[02:15:04] <[cube]> 0.1mm layers....ya how long did that take lol
[02:15:06] <XXCoder> how smooth was it
[02:15:06] <Praesmeodymium> not quite as clean as his prints
[02:15:36] <[cube]> not bad, P
[02:15:43] <Praesmeodymium> hmm 2 hours iirc
[02:16:06] <Praesmeodymium> but those are 100% ifill as well it was a test
[02:16:12] <[cube]> ah
[02:16:48] <XXCoder> yet another satan on that thread. or maybe same one
[02:17:32] <XXCoder> wondering though
[02:17:35] <XXCoder> is it paintable
[02:17:44] <Praesmeodymium> abs is
[02:18:11] <Praesmeodymium> pla is amazingly resiliant to chemicals and will take paint with some primer
[02:18:20] <XXCoder> cool
[02:18:33] <XXCoder> im sure you heard of acetone vapor smoothing
[02:18:36] <[cube]> i painted an abs rooster once
[02:18:40] <Praesmeodymium> yup
[02:18:49] <XXCoder> man it was SHINY
[02:19:24] <Praesmeodymium> over in #reprap has found a chemical to smooth pla the same way, its ethyl acetate
[02:19:30] <Praesmeodymium> not quite as shiny
[02:19:38] <[cube]> hm neat
[02:19:41] <[cube]> easier to get?
[02:19:58] <Praesmeodymium> mek replacement its not that easy to find
[02:20:07] <XXCoder> I planned to paint abs by disolving it into acetone then painting it
[02:20:17] <Praesmeodymium> but much much much nicer than the other stuff for pla
[02:20:19] <XXCoder> but not sure what right mix so it colors part and not deform
[02:20:52] <Praesmeodymium> acrylic based paints I'm pretty sure paint right on
[02:21:05] <Praesmeodymium> get the d&d paints out
[02:21:07] <[cube]> https://thingiverse-production-new.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/0e/a4/a7/91/57/Rooster_2014.05.14_Painted_preview_featured.jpg
[02:21:19] <[cube]> thats my coq
[02:21:26] <Praesmeodymium> nice
[02:21:27] <XXCoder> interesting
[02:21:30] <[cube]> acrylic ya
[02:21:35] <[cube]> cheap, dollars tore stuff
[02:21:37] <[cube]> goes on great
[02:21:41] <[cube]> not even primed
[02:21:50] <XXCoder> acrylic paint is made from abd and acetone?
[02:21:52] <XXCoder> abs
[02:21:56] <[cube]> no...
[02:21:59] <[cube]> latex i believe
[02:22:00] <XXCoder> darn
[02:22:11] <XXCoder> been trying to figure how to paint using abs plastics
[02:22:23] <[cube]> why?
[02:22:44] <XXCoder> just idea of mine
[02:22:52] <XXCoder> abs on abs paint
[02:22:53] <[cube]> you could melt down the abs waste form prints into acetone
[02:22:55] <[cube]> make a paste
[02:22:58] <[cube]> then add pigment
[02:23:06] <[cube]> white abs would be ideal for that
[02:23:08] <XXCoder> I dont plan any pigment
[02:23:12] <Praesmeodymium> natural
[02:23:20] <XXCoder> using already colored abs
[02:23:21] <Praesmeodymium> white abs is gonna have TiO2
[02:23:21] <[cube]> yeah or natural
[02:23:36] <[cube]> ah
[02:23:56] <Praesmeodymium> and possibly some uv brighteners and a few others white and black are dirty colors
[02:24:05] <[cube]> lot of laquers will disolve in acetone too
[02:24:28] <[cube]> so you find a spray paint that dissolves well in acetone and add it to your abs goo
[02:25:18] <XXCoder> glad to know just strightforward dissolve abs in acetone and paint it would work
[02:25:24] <[cube]> ya
[02:25:25] <XXCoder> wonder whats ratio though
[02:25:31] <[cube]> people paint that on their print beds
[02:25:34] <[cube]> to help with stiking
[02:25:39] <[cube]> *sticking
[02:25:54] <[cube]> there's a saturation point
[02:26:04] <[cube]> i'd suggest just mix until you have a consistency you like
[02:26:49] <[cube]> ur probably better off buying liek an ABS plumbing pipe from lowes
[02:26:55] <[cube]> and a 4 gallon of acetone
[02:27:27] <XXCoder> sure but my idea I need to use existing so color matches exactly
[02:27:37] <[cube]> ah
[02:27:47] <[cube]> what the heck is this idea lol
[02:28:05] <XXCoder> private at this time
[02:28:09] <[cube]> k
[02:28:15] <XXCoder> what to do isnt though, very simple
[02:28:33] <XXCoder> dissable existing abs, paint some other plastic part with it and get matching color
[02:28:52] <[cube]> you'be be surprised how fast acetone will melt a part
[02:28:57] <[cube]> its eats at it like butter
[02:29:00] <[cube]> very quickly
[02:29:19] <[cube]> makes really nice chemical 'welds' though
[02:29:33] <XXCoder> cool :)
[02:31:02] <[cube]> oh i should mention
[02:31:05] <[cube]> it messes with the color
[02:31:10] <[cube]> not sure about all colors
[02:31:19] <[cube]> but i've tried it with black abs
[02:31:28] <[cube]> and the black gets all foamy and 'cloudy'
[02:31:36] <[cube]> and grey
[02:31:49] <[cube]> but its not like 'paint'
[02:32:03] <XXCoder> yeah? darn it wouldnt work then
[02:32:11] <[cube]> only tested it on black
[02:32:17] <[cube]> so dont know about other formulations
[02:32:21] <[cube]> could just be my stuff
[02:32:23] <XXCoder> black tend to have scraps mixed in
[02:32:28] <XXCoder> because black owns all
[02:32:41] <[cube]> probably yea
[02:37:40] <XXCoder> man nervious about getting 3dprinter lol
[02:39:15] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: what about hard wax? lol
[02:39:33] <XXCoder> it'd be great for casting and candles
[02:40:31] <[cube]> some dudes cast with pla
[02:40:39] <[cube]> burn it out in the same way
[02:41:02] <XXCoder> pla is completely renewable correct?
[02:41:11] <[cube]> duno about that
[02:41:17] <[cube]> made of corn etc, so they say
[02:42:08] <[cube]> pretty sure there is a wax-like filament too
[02:42:14] <[cube]> but all those specialty filaments are $$$
[02:42:46] <[cube]> not worth it when you could just make a negative from a 3d part
[02:42:50] <[cube]> then reproduce in cheap wax
[02:42:54] <XXCoder> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioplastic#Polylactic_acid_.28PLA.29
[02:43:14] <XXCoder> yeah 3d print a object
[02:43:18] <XXCoder> *mold
[02:43:22] <XXCoder> cast wax in it
[02:43:26] <XXCoder> boom there it is
[02:43:28] <[cube]> dextrose eh
[02:43:35] <[cube]> that means its basically pure sugar lol
[02:43:38] <[cube]> try some :P
[02:43:49] <XXCoder> lol
[02:44:11] <[cube]> pla does smell nice when melting
[02:44:14] <[cube]> liek cookies baking
[02:44:23] <[cube]> damn it still fucks me up
[02:44:30] <[cube]> maybe im over sensitive to fumes i duno
[02:48:04] <XXCoder> dunno
[02:54:03] <DaViruz> dunnno
[02:54:11] <XXCoder> unnnnnnno
[02:54:30] <DaViruz> undo
[02:54:59] <XXCoder> nudo
[02:55:21] <[cube]> go to sleep lol
[02:55:27] <DaViruz> donu(t)
[02:55:35] <XXCoder> donuts
[02:55:43] <DaViruz> i just woke up
[02:56:13] <XXCoder> LOL
https://www.ez-robot.com/uploads/IMAG0294-635709563130192266.jpg
[02:56:15] <XXCoder> poopy
[02:57:25] <DaViruz> damn spiders
[02:57:31] <[cube]> that mindga pinched a loaf
[02:59:36] <XXCoder> chinese quality
https://www.ez-robot.com/uploads/IMAG0142-635716872125452265.jpg
[03:00:24] <[cube]> hah
[03:00:43] <XXCoder> when i get mine I'm definitely checking all over so hard.
[03:00:52] <[cube]> prob be fine
[03:00:57] <[cube]> how much did you pay?
[03:01:10] <XXCoder> actually so far I read all has problems, most minor and few major
[03:01:12] <XXCoder> $161
[03:01:18] <XXCoder> 90$ off sale
[03:01:27] <XXCoder> er 90%
[03:01:28] <[cube]> ah you went for that scam listing :x
[03:01:39] <XXCoder> probably scam yeah but lets see
[03:01:41] <Praesmeodymium> http://www.machinablewax.com/product.php?product=52
[03:01:58] <[cube]> geez
[03:02:03] <[cube]> ridiculous
[03:02:16] <XXCoder> expensive.
[03:02:36] <XXCoder> I would rather make ABS mold then cast wax in it
[03:02:43] <XXCoder> vastloy cheaper. and many uses.
[03:03:34] <ganzuul_> http://www.instructables.com/id/Machinable-Wax/
[03:04:16] <[cube]> i knew a guy who made a couple blocks of that
[03:04:22] <[cube]> using plastic bags
[03:04:30] <[cube]> almost burned down his porch :P
[03:04:39] <[cube]> need to know the flash point of wax
[03:04:41] <XXCoder> 300 degree that would melt wax
[03:04:45] <XXCoder> er abs
[03:05:19] <Praesmeodymium> i only know C for printer stuff
[03:05:31] <XXCoder> actually abs are 220C not f
[03:05:34] <Praesmeodymium> abs will melt as low as 180
[03:05:43] <XXCoder> 148C for wax
[03:05:53] <[cube]> pretty low
[03:05:55] <Praesmeodymium> but extrusion temp is much higher
[03:06:22] <XXCoder> is instructable still bad with ads? I use noscript so cant tell lol
[03:06:31] <[cube]> its not bad
[03:07:42] <Praesmeodymium> I ownder if pla would work
[03:08:21] <XXCoder> not sure whats good termal seperation needed to keep mold intact while holding hot stuff inside
[03:08:39] <ganzuul_> well, calling it Paraffin instead of wax will help with finding out the flash point...
[03:08:39] <XXCoder> I know nobody can cast tungein because of its amazing strength
[03:08:42] <ganzuul_> :p
[03:08:53] <XXCoder> he adds plastic bags into it
[03:09:06] <XXCoder> so its more solid and machinable
[03:09:47] <[cube]> P: PLA is castable
[03:09:52] <[cube]> you need to burn it out good first tho
[03:09:56] <[cube]> before pouring
[03:10:19] <[cube]> need to use investment plaster
[03:10:25] <[cube]> i assume sand wouldnt work
[03:10:56] <Praesmeodymium> yeah hackaday had a pla in the microwave
[03:11:11] <[cube]> might work if you vacuum cast it
[03:11:14] <Praesmeodymium> her trick was a silicon carbide slip
[03:11:21] <[cube]> link?
[03:11:47] <Praesmeodymium> http://hackaday.com/2014/08/20/lost-pla-casting-with-a-little-help-from-your-microwave/
[03:12:19] <[cube]> neat
[03:12:31] <Praesmeodymium> https://hackaday.io/project/2434-microwave-aluminium-printing
[03:12:44] <Praesmeodymium> the one you could actually use
[03:12:54] <XXCoder> microwave cast is weird.
[03:17:03] <XXCoder> interesting
[03:17:38] <XXCoder> anyway saw in video where guy heated a small spot on metal to red glow
[03:17:49] <XXCoder> then microwave pumped energy into that and melted metal
[03:17:55] <XXCoder> same works for glass
[03:20:52] <XXCoder> [cube]:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZMBrzHVP4Q
[03:21:49] <[cube]> neat
[03:21:55] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:21:56] <[cube]> ok
[03:21:59] <[cube]> will peep that tmrw
[03:22:16] <XXCoder> she uses annoying effects btw but mostly fine
[03:22:24] <[cube]> lol
[03:22:27] <[cube]> im off to bed, night kids
[03:22:32] <XXCoder> night adult
[03:22:44] <[cube]> thx for links XX and P
[03:23:14] <[cube]> woah i can win a wasit slimmer belt!
[03:23:16] <[cube]> wooh00
[03:23:25] <[cube]> *waist
[03:23:26] <XXCoder> whatsit
[03:23:33] <XXCoder> ah waist
[03:23:36] <[cube]> in that video
[03:23:40] <XXCoder> lol
[03:23:56] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k72jEzy-HfU more glss melt styff
[03:24:07] <XXCoder> notice how guy preheats
[03:42:32] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: LOL guy bought his printer back after selling it for $1200. for $200.
[04:28:03] <Contract_Pilot1> some work dont on the G0704 today
http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Saddle.jpg
[04:29:13] <XXCoder> hey
[04:29:20] <XXCoder> I worked on my macine a lot today
[04:29:26] <XXCoder> got a paper sheet to show for it lol
[04:29:42] <XXCoder> nice LinuxCNC drawing and few other stuff
[04:31:49] <Wolf_> cool stuff
[04:32:09] <XXCoder> Contract_Pilot1: im nearly 10 months older than you lol
[04:33:32] <Wolf_> 8days here...
[04:33:51] <Contract_Pilot1> 10 Months older?
[04:34:36] <aventtini> hy guys
[04:34:53] <XXCoder> yep you say youre 1 day old at sept 17 1976
[04:34:59] <XXCoder> my bday is jan 20 1976
[04:35:34] <XXCoder> hey av
[04:35:37] <XXCoder> hm ok
[04:37:00] <Wolf_> wonder if its possible to get custom firmware on one of these sewing control boards from china...
[04:37:33] <XXCoder> dunno?
[04:37:34] <Contract_Pilot1> the ebay 48V PSU arrived 48V 10 should be plenty.
http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/PSU-48V.jpg
[04:37:38] <XXCoder> depends on how hackable it is
[04:38:03] <Contract_Pilot1> Cool
[04:38:20] <Contract_Pilot1> ?nick Contract_Pilot
[04:38:33] <XXCoder> heh I always use custom command
[04:38:43] <XXCoder> I even has command to append text to my nick
[04:38:59] <Contract_Pilot> hahaha i only remember a few commands from old IRC days
[04:39:09] <XXCoder> its not stock command, I added it
[04:39:40] <Wolf_> well, I know its hackable, TMS320F28033pagt MCU running it
[04:40:03] <Contract_Pilot> Killed a cat today.
[04:40:06] <Wolf_> but its probably not readable
[04:40:13] <XXCoder> contract heres my custom command nick %n_%2
[04:40:16] <Contract_Pilot> Well cat commited suicide
[04:40:21] <XXCoder> its set to /s
[04:40:26] <Contract_Pilot> ran under the rear tire of the hummer
[04:40:41] <XXCoder> sucks :( but its not like you turned to hit it
[04:40:59] <Wolf_> least it probably went quickly...
[04:41:07] <Contract_Pilot> I turned back to make sure it was dead! did not have to wate a .45 round.
[04:41:11] <Contract_Pilot> waste
[04:41:29] <Contract_Pilot> Likley was instant death.
[04:41:30] <XXCoder> someone once bragged to me that he turned bit off road to tag a squarrel. guys not my friend now.
[04:41:50] <Contract_Pilot> Feel bad i like cats
[04:41:51] <aventtini> hy
[04:41:54] <aventtini> guy
[04:41:56] <aventtini> s
[04:42:15] <aventtini> im tryng to configure a xhc04
[04:42:29] <aventtini> with no success
[04:42:33] <XXCoder> I dont hurt anything I like or not like, unless I have very real reason to. I even try to avoid driving over snakes. managed to kill one even when trying to avoid. :(
[04:43:00] <Wolf_> XXCoder: I was thinking more of asking one of the sellers of them things if they can do custom inputs for the speed/direction control on the “sewing machine†motor control boards
[04:43:18] <XXCoder> Wolf_: ask em to add external controls
[04:43:26] <XXCoder> then wire it to cnc controller
[04:43:30] <Contract_Pilot> my cat to this day falls asleep licking his ball sack has no balls!
http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Norman-Sleeping.jpg
[04:44:13] <Wolf_> well, pretty much the idea, instead of hall or optical speed control just input for direction and pwm or something
[04:44:48] <Contract_Pilot> Cannot belive i have 5 tracking numbers from that walmart seller weights are right!
[04:46:13] <Contract_Pilot> need a van norman 900 series boaring bar manual
[04:46:25] <Contract_Pilot> for the 777 but not the 900
[04:47:03] <Contract_Pilot> Cannot wait to light these small machines up.
[04:47:28] <Contract_Pilot> Friend is building me a rooling cart with a coolant tank.
[04:47:37] * Contract_Pilot has no welder
[04:49:44] <XXCoder> http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1savBHpXXXXcvXpXXq6xXFXXXI/223038856/HTB1savBHpXXXXcvXpXXq6xXFXXXI.jpg
[04:50:00] <XXCoder> any of you think it can take that abuse lol
[04:50:02] <XXCoder> $40 phone
[04:50:19] <Wolf_> sure
[04:50:55] <Wolf_> seeing there are no listings for any of the test parameters
[04:51:00] <XXCoder> true
[04:51:07] <XXCoder> .001mm ball drop
[04:51:08] <XXCoder> pass
[04:51:13] <Wolf_> ball drop 2cm, drop testing 4cm
[04:51:45] <Wolf_> twist 0.1°
[04:52:22] <XXCoder> hmm
[04:52:31] <XXCoder> I do need table hold clamps
[04:52:43] <XXCoder> whats best for my aluminium extruded surface with t slots
[04:52:52] <XXCoder> im not sure its actually tslots
[04:53:06] <Contract_Pilot> Need to make a heat sink plate
[04:53:24] <XXCoder> I need those in order to finally test cut. I'm not about to hold part by hand as its cutting rather than drawing.
[04:53:26] <Contract_Pilot> Unless i can find 12" X 6" Extrude Cheap.
[04:54:09] <Wolf_> XXCoder: something like
http://amzn.com/B000W07PEM maybe
[04:54:15] <Wolf_> just.. cheaper
[04:54:51] <Contract_Pilot> That looks handy wolf
[04:55:07] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/Grizzly-G1076-Clamping-T-Slots-58-Piece/dp/B0000DD0D3 looks waay too big for my machine?
[04:55:22] <Wolf_> I have a bunch from my woodworking bench
[04:55:28] <XXCoder> that do look sure but probably too big for my machine. limit is less than 3 inches clearance.
[04:55:39] <Contract_Pilot> got a set well every T nut dont fit.
[04:56:02] <Wolf_> watch the t nut size...
[04:56:22] <XXCoder> thats problem, tslot size is unknown to me
[04:56:29] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, grizzly sent it to me for my machine total POS
[04:57:36] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wood-Lathe-3040-Cnc-Router-Milling-Machine-with-43mm-bracket-Mechanical-Kit-Aluminium-Alloy-Frame/32279070195.html
[04:57:38] <XXCoder> my machine
[04:57:38] <Contract_Pilot> Need to be able to use my machine so had to buy a saddle.
[04:58:07] <Wolf_> needed a saddle to machine the saddle ?
[04:58:21] <Contract_Pilot> aliexpress shipping is excessive
[04:58:38] <XXCoder> not really
[04:58:40] <XXCoder> its heavy
[04:58:58] <XXCoder> it come in 2 boxes, the gantry and table
[04:59:06] <XXCoder> both was quite hard to lift
[04:59:41] <Wolf_> need to work out more :P
[04:59:52] <Praesmeodymium> totally depends its just part of how they change prices, most things are around the same price, and shipping out of china for many things is subsidized by the government
[05:00:19] <XXCoder> theres something wrong with my musicles Wolf_ it cramps wout exercise, but exercise makes it MUCH worse.
[05:00:22] <XXCoder> so yeah
[05:00:41] <XXCoder> my toes ALWAYS crimp. whatever. lol
[05:01:11] <Wolf_> ups guy has to love me, box from LMS today 62,albs
[05:01:19] <Wolf_> 62.2 LBS
[05:01:33] <XXCoder> ups gonna love me soon. 48 meals of soylent delivered. BIG box.
[05:02:23] <Wolf_> slots on your table look sorta like 8020 slots but not really
[05:02:30] <Contract_Pilot> Contact them direct and contact shipfrc.com and set up an account have them shp exw
[05:03:52] <Wolf_> Contract_Pilot should help me get these motor controller boards made :P
[05:03:58] <Contract_Pilot> I am a pilot and a trusted shipper under 50lbs i can check it for 20-30.00
[05:04:23] <Contract_Pilot> Counter to counter is good.
[05:04:53] <Contract_Pilot> most the ali express guys are brokers not the mfg if you find the mfg they will coroperate.
[05:05:29] <Wolf_> yeah, half of them say they make the shit, but usually someone else name on the stuff lol
[05:05:32] <Contract_Pilot> And if you visit the price goes to nothing@
[05:06:00] <Contract_Pilot> Yep OEM Vs ODM
[05:06:13] <Contract_Pilot> I deal with china on aircraft.
[05:06:59] <Contract_Pilot> Pay a rep in the provance 8.00 to make a factory visit on your behalf.
[05:07:19] <Contract_Pilot> Cheap insurance if doing large purchace.
[05:07:44] <Contract_Pilot> then you have a presance there and price drops.
[05:08:23] <Contract_Pilot> But the freight is where they nail you!
[05:09:01] <XXCoder> Wolf_: yeah thats what made me wondering.
[05:09:11] <Wolf_> maybe I should just hire you to broker the brokers :P
[05:09:16] <Contract_Pilot> Have a us us freight forrwarder make sure they do not nail you on customs bond
[05:09:19] <XXCoder> sorry had little emergacy lol so I had to run for min
[05:09:45] <Contract_Pilot> I do not deal with brokers i deal mfg dirtect when dealing with china
[05:09:56] <XXCoder> "Rack material:6061 and 6063 hard aluminium alloy"
[05:10:03] <XXCoder> wonder if that is the table
[05:10:17] <Contract_Pilot> Request in in 7075
[05:10:30] <Wolf_> XXCoder: one thing I have done was grind carriage bolt heads to fit in to those slots
[05:10:42] <Contract_Pilot> if it is a mfg they will custom 1 off during next run a sample in 7075
[05:11:07] <Contract_Pilot> Say you want ODM spec but OEM material
[05:11:42] <Contract_Pilot> the metal we ship them is uber cheap.
[05:13:02] <Contract_Pilot> http://webtrack.dhlglobalmail.com/?trackingnumber=9361269903500578445994%0D%0A9361269903500579362566%0D%0A9361269903500578457799%0D%0A9361269903500577488923%0D%0A9361269903500576952838
[05:13:20] <Contract_Pilot> odd shipping scheduel for 2 orders from walmart
[05:13:40] <Wolf_> lol
[05:13:55] <Wolf_> I’m still waiting for shipping notice for the psu
[05:14:22] <Contract_Pilot> e-bay or walmart?
[05:14:26] <Deejay> moin
[05:14:28] <Wolf_> walmart
[05:14:35] <Contract_Pilot> day orderd?
[05:14:52] <Contract_Pilot> Friday?
[05:15:06] <Wolf_> 3rd
[05:15:26] <Contract_Pilot> took 2 full days to get a shipping notice
[05:15:31] <Contract_Pilot> on mine
[05:15:54] <Contract_Pilot> had me worried for a while
[05:16:14] <XXCoder> ah
[05:16:19] <XXCoder> 5/16 slot width apparently
[05:16:24] <Contract_Pilot> Should have checked if the cat had a collar>
[05:16:46] <Wolf_> that the slot opening?
[05:16:50] <Sync> heh, did walmart really sell that crap for that cheap?
[05:16:51] <Wolf_> at teh top?
[05:17:02] <XXCoder> Sync: walcra
[05:17:06] <XXCoder> *walcrap
[05:17:06] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, unless they sending bricks
[05:17:41] <Contract_Pilot> from my searching the drivers are IRF530's for mosfets
[05:17:43] <Praesmeodymium> yeah I have shipping notices too but not weights yet, I ordered 2 days after you
[05:17:44] <Sync> haha nice
[05:18:04] <Wolf_> which drivers?
[05:18:06] <Contract_Pilot> take the tracking no and got to DHL
[05:18:46] <Contract_Pilot> http://webtrack.dhlglobalmail.com/?trackingnumber=
[05:18:54] <Contract_Pilot> enter tracking number
[05:19:31] <Contract_Pilot> i e-maild they gave me 1 number for items but sent 5 shipments
[05:20:03] <Contract_Pilot> 92 and 93 tracking numbers from usps are DHL
[05:20:27] <Contract_Pilot> 94 is web/counter 95 is fedex
[05:21:17] <Praesmeodymium> the psu I ordered has a weight the motors havent yet, but I order 2 types, I got some nema8s ofr a project too I think that delayed shipping
[05:22:10] <Contract_Pilot> I got 1 order also off new egg
[05:22:15] <Contract_Pilot> same company
[05:22:40] <Contract_Pilot> Want a couple extra drivers just incase.
[05:24:20] <aventtini> guys i have connected the xhc and i see in hallmeter but i cat get any mmovment
[05:24:24] <Contract_Pilot> The VR in them can be swapped to a TL783C add a bias and you can run up to 80V
[05:24:44] <Contract_Pilot> May have to change the TIP also
[05:25:50] <Contract_Pilot> MB450A 4.2A driver is what i was after.
[05:26:06] <Contract_Pilot> 50V max
[05:26:17] <Contract_Pilot> 48 will be pushing it.
[05:26:18] <XXCoder> odd
[05:26:29] <XXCoder> slot surface is 7.5 wide
[05:26:37] <XXCoder> wide bottom is 13.5 mm wide
[05:26:46] <Contract_Pilot> The only part i could not find a number on was the SCR
[05:26:50] <XXCoder> dont look like standard t slot
[05:27:13] <Contract_Pilot> Will find out when it arrives
[05:27:38] <Wolf_> XXCoder: maybe grind some 1/4-20 carriage bolts to fit the slot
[05:27:48] <XXCoder> or just use screws
[05:28:04] <XXCoder> bah I hate nonstandard stuff
[05:28:14] <XXCoder> like my 43mm clamp and now grooves jeez
[05:28:27] <Contract_Pilot> buy a T slot cutter re cut standard
[05:28:51] <Wolf_> extrude, can’t do that
[05:29:11] <Contract_Pilot> So the t nuts you orderd not right?
[05:29:18] <XXCoder> I didnt order any yet
[05:29:44] <Contract_Pilot> Well have a mill make some
[05:29:53] <Wolf_> my t-nuts haven’t shipped yet
[05:29:55] <Contract_Pilot> aliminum will work
[05:29:58] <XXCoder> no tnuts
[05:30:13] <XXCoder> no mill either as I own only cnc router
[05:30:33] <Contract_Pilot> Make wood ones with thread serts
[05:31:22] <Contract_Pilot> clamp come aluminum and mill with the router
[05:31:27] <Contract_Pilot> some
[05:31:51] <Contract_Pilot> Simple T
[05:31:54] <Wolf_> or just get some econo-t nuts from 8020
[05:31:58] <XXCoder> there is very cheap t nuts
[05:32:05] <XXCoder> 100 for 3 bucks and so on
[05:32:33] <XXCoder> but none of em has specs so I cant figure if it fits or not
[05:32:51] <Contract_Pilot> I think i am going to take a walk and see if that cat has a collar
[05:33:21] <Contract_Pilot> at least a tag so owner will not be wondering.
[05:34:16] <malcom2073> Contract_Pilot: You get one of those cheap chinese printers?
[05:34:48] <Contract_Pilot> Malcom, nope
[05:37:46] <malcom2073> Heh alright
[05:39:48] <Contract_Pilot> China LPT bob yes
[05:40:11] <XXCoder> hey malcom2073
[05:40:15] <Contract_Pilot> 2.5 more weeks till mesa has stock
[05:40:26] <malcom2073> Hey XXCoder, still awaiting shipment :P
[05:40:32] <XXCoder> same
[05:41:00] <XXCoder> also trying to figure what would work as clamp set for my machine
[05:41:09] <XXCoder> its fgrooves seems to be... unique.
[05:41:40] <malcom2073> Heh, metric for some reason maybe?
[05:41:59] <XXCoder> 7.5mm groove and inside bigger slot is 13.5 mm
[05:42:17] <malcom2073> Hmm
[05:42:47] <malcom2073> That's clearance for a 1/2" nut
[05:43:04] <malcom2073> But not a 5/16 nut
[05:43:05] <malcom2073> erm
[05:43:06] <malcom2073> 5/16 bolt
[05:47:17] <XXCoder> so slot would fit 1/2 nut but not fit 5/16 bolt it would need?
[05:48:56] <Contract_Pilot> make them from wood use a threaded flanged insert cut form aluminum
[05:50:42] <Contract_Pilot> you prob can make better your self then buy and wait 2 weeks
[05:50:43] <Wolf_> XXCoder: try
http://download.8020.net/2012_Product_Catalog/Fractional_Section_3_8020_Catalog_18.pdf or
http://download.8020.net/2012_Product_Catalog/Metric_Section_3_8020_Catalog_18.pdf
[05:51:02] <XXCoder> reading now
[05:51:12] <XXCoder> trying to find stats
[05:51:47] <Wolf_> least the 80/20 shit has measurement for everything
[05:51:52] <XXCoder> indeed
[05:52:00] <Contract_Pilot> or use a dremel and a file on a bolt
[05:52:02] <XXCoder> I plan to buy cheaper versions for framing
[05:52:31] <Contract_Pilot> what ever gets you up and running
[05:54:49] <XXCoder> Wolf_: not too sure which would be best
[05:55:08] <Wolf_> the ones that will sorta fit
[05:55:39] <XXCoder> .505 probably
[05:55:54] <XXCoder> length dont matter
[05:55:56] <XXCoder> diameter does.
[05:56:19] <XXCoder> m6 probably would work as thats less than 7.5mm
[05:56:53] <Contract_Pilot> ok, it been a long day i am out
[05:59:22] <XXCoder> found best match so far.
http://www.amazon.com/80-20-Slide--Economy-T-Nut/dp/B00R563R0M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1444041334&sr=8-1&keywords=Economy+T-Nuts+3836
[05:59:24] <XXCoder> Wolf_: thanks
[06:04:29] <Wolf_> NP :)
[06:07:17] <Tom_itx> http://www.8020.net/
[06:07:20] <Tom_itx> who knew.
[06:07:40] <XXCoder> my cnc dont use standard 8020
[06:07:45] <XXCoder> or any standard really
[06:13:00] <Wolf_> lol AliExpress vendors are so helpful, “can I purchase a replacement control board†answer “yes†… >.<
[06:13:25] <Tom_itx> it's all in how you ask
[06:14:20] <Wolf_> guess I need to use engrish
[06:14:36] <XXCoder> try using how
[06:14:48] <XXCoder> "how can I buy replacement control board
[06:15:08] <Tom_itx> or 'how much'
[06:15:33] <Wolf_> lol
[06:16:23] <Tom_itx> or, since it's china... how many can i get for $1
[06:18:01] <Wolf_> yeah.. lol
[06:20:03] <Wolf_> hmm not bad, $40 shipped
[06:25:41] <XXCoder> lol
[06:26:01] <XXCoder> had another emergacy fun :P in least I had kindle with me this time
[06:41:00] <XXCoder> check this out
http://www.eliomotors.com/more-p5/
[06:41:11] <XXCoder> the final prototypoe p5
[06:41:15] <XXCoder> elio
[06:41:25] <XXCoder> that is, elio p5, the prototype lol
[06:45:08] <Wolf_> now if I get this replacement board ordered I can really start trying to hack that controller board seeing that I’ll have the blow out one to mess with
[06:52:47] <user___> Hello. Just noticed the module probe_parport.ko is not present in the debian linuxcnc distribution, meaning, it is in the locate db but not present on disk... any ideas where I can find it?
[07:09:08] <Tom_itx> Wolf_, or blow it as well :)
[07:09:30] <Tom_itx> i know the feeling... i went thru 2 sets of mesa boards
[07:09:44] <Wolf_> lol, naa, I’ll use the one thats already smoked
[07:09:51] <XXCoder> no
[07:09:56] <XXCoder> theres no stuffing magic smoke back in
[07:10:03] <XXCoder> like putting genie back in bottle
[07:10:05] <Wolf_> just need to power the low voltage side and hook it up to the scope
[07:10:21] <Tom_itx> yeah you can do quite a bit with that i suppose
[07:10:36] <Wolf_> maybe feed it 36v and hook one of my other servos to it
[07:10:51] <Wolf_> just to give it something to spin
[07:11:48] <Wolf_> there is a 10 pin header on the board that I’m wondering what it does
[07:13:16] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/3TpwilICE6s interesting
[07:19:24] <Tom_itx> Wolf_, it holds the key to more smoke
[07:21:36] <Wolf_> probably
[07:22:29] <Wolf_> but I also have the MCU data sheet, the half h bridge driver sheet and slightly more of a clue this time lol
[07:28:12] <aventtini> guy XHC_HB04_CONFIG]
[07:28:12] <aventtini> # specify layout = n for xhc-hb04-layout{n}.cfg files
[07:28:12] <aventtini> layout = 2
[07:28:12] <aventtini> # coords: specify 4 letters
[07:28:12] <aventtini> # coords: switch labels are xyza but any unique 4 letters
[07:28:12] <aventtini> # from the set {xyxabcuvw) can be used (if the coord exists)
[07:28:14] <aventtini> coords = x y z
[07:28:16] <aventtini> # lowpass settings:
[07:28:18] <aventtini> # coef: slows rate of change of output, range: 0 < coef < 1
[07:28:21] <aventtini> coefs = 1 1 1 1
[07:28:22] <aventtini> # scale plus or minus, rotaries may require larger scale factor:
[07:28:24] <aventtini> scales = 1 -1 1 1
[07:28:26] <aventtini> # jogmode normal(default) or vnormal or plus-minus
[07:28:30] <aventtini> jogmode = normal
[07:28:32] <aventtini> # sequence 1: 0.001,0.010,0.100(mm-based machine)
[07:28:34] <aventtini> # sequence 2: 0.001,0.005,0.010,0.020 (inch-based machine)
[07:28:34] <XXCoder> aventtini: if its more than 3 mines
[07:28:36] <aventtini> sequence = 1
[07:28:38] <aventtini> # require_pendant = no: create xhc-hb04 hal pins when pendant not connected
[07:28:40] <aventtini> # at startup
[07:28:41] <XXCoder> paste in pastebin not here!
[07:28:42] <aventtini> require_pendant = yes
[07:28:44] <aventtini> [XHC_HB04_BUTTONS]
[07:28:46] <aventtini> # use button names according to layout file xhc-hb04-layout{n}.cfg
[07:28:48] <aventtini> # note: "start-pause" is connected for standard behavior
[07:28:50] <aventtini> # controlling halui.pause/halui.resume/halui.run
[07:28:52] <aventtini> # these are examples, edit as required:
[07:28:54] <aventtini> goto-zero = halui.mdi-command-00
[07:28:56] <aventtini> # syntheized per-axis buttons for goto-zero button:
[07:29:00] <aventtini> goto-zero-x = ""
[07:29:02] <aventtini> goto-zero-y = ""
[07:29:04] <aventtini> goto-zero-z = ""
[07:29:06] <aventtini> goto-zero-a = ""
[07:29:07] * XXCoder sighs
[07:29:08] <aventtini> start-pause = std_start_pause
[07:29:10] <aventtini> rewind = halui.program.step
[07:29:12] <aventtini> # probe-input for simulating a probe:
[07:29:14] <aventtini> probe-z = motion.probe-input
[07:29:16] <aventtini> macro-3 = halui.mdi-command-03
[07:29:18] <aventtini> half = halui.spindle.stop
[07:29:20] <aventtini> # synthesized per-axis buttons for half button:
[07:29:22] <aventtini> half-x = ""
[07:29:24] <aventtini> half-y = ""
[07:29:26] <aventtini> half-z = ""
[07:29:28] <Wolf_> ...
[07:29:30] <aventtini> half-a = ""
[07:29:32] <aventtini> zero = ""
[07:29:34] <aventtini> # synthesized per-axis buttons for zero button:
[07:29:36] <aventtini> zero-x = halui.mdi-command-12
[07:29:37] <XXCoder> aventtini: close your client and start again
[07:29:38] <aventtini> zero-y = halui.mdi-command-13
[07:29:40] <aventtini> zero-z = halui.mdi-command-14
[07:29:42] <aventtini> zero-a = halui.mdi-command-15
[07:29:42] <XXCoder> so spam will stop, aventtini
[07:29:44] <aventtini> safe-z = halui.mdi-command-10
[07:29:46] <aventtini> # in this sim, home-all only works first time, hold down till finished:
[07:29:48] <aventtini> home = halui.home-all
[07:29:50] <aventtini> macro-1 = halui.mdi-command-01
[07:29:52] <aventtini> macro-2 = halui.mdi-command-02
[07:29:54] <aventtini> spindle = halui.spindle.start
[07:29:56] <aventtini> step = xhc-hb04.stepsize-up
[07:30:00] <aventtini> mode = ""
[07:30:02] <aventtini> macro-6 = halui.mdi-command-06
[07:30:04] <aventtini> macro-7 = halui.mdi-command-
[07:30:06] <aventtini> sorry
[07:30:08] <aventtini> wrong
[07:30:10] <aventtini> window
[07:30:22] <XXCoder> aventtini: next time close client
[07:30:26] <XXCoder> so spam stops right away
[07:30:49] <XXCoder> irc client that is
[07:30:58] <aventtini> xchat
[07:31:20] <XXCoder> it buffers up and sends a line per second
[07:31:22] <aventtini> im not seeing any
[07:31:32] <aventtini> on sec let me restart
[07:32:02] <XXCoder> so we are being constantly spammed for quite a while. nah it was too late, it finished.
[07:32:50] <aventtini> done
[07:33:01] <aventtini> book on enter
[07:33:05] <aventtini> ))))
[07:33:06] <user___> How do I prevent axis from stopping the spindle relaz when I pull the spindle override to 0? Where 0 is set to 30% rpm in .hal ??
[07:33:32] <aventtini> can anyone help me with hb04
[07:33:55] <aventtini> you can on mim speed
[07:39:04] <aventtini> yes
[07:39:10] <aventtini> min limit
[07:39:25] <aventtini> my is limit to 300rpm
[07:42:55] <aventtini> i need to make a ini whit all the haui commands>
[07:42:58] <aventtini> ?
[07:56:24] <aventtini> it says pin dot exist
[07:56:37] <aventtini> i made like in the wiki
[07:56:47] <aventtini> no success
[07:56:55] <aventtini> same errors
[07:57:03] <aventtini> pin dont exist
[07:58:55] <aventtini> net home halui.home-all xbc04
[08:06:34] <user___> Can anyone explain WHY Axis shuts off the spindle-forward relay when the feed override slider is pulled to left extreme, regardless of the min value set?
[08:07:39] <aventtini> because its a over voltage invertor is not set right
[08:07:55] <user___> what?
[08:08:46] <user___> a) axis ignores the MIN_SPEED_OVERRIDE param b) it should NEVER shut off the spindle control relay
[08:34:13] <user___> so has the mystery of the missing parport_probe.ko in the live debian linuxcnc been elucidated? Am still looking for the file.
[08:47:28] <user___> okay so after basic package upgrade on debian linuxcnc the important package probe_parport.ko is gone and important files used by stepconf are gone. Is NOBODY using the debian version here?
[08:47:50] <user___> Specifically file axisu.glade is missing]
[08:48:41] <user___> GUYS ARE YOU ALL VERY BUSY OR IS THIS THE NORMAL DISCUSSION LEVEL HERE
[08:50:38] <norias> WE ARE ALL VERY BUSY / SLEEPING
[08:51:00] <norias> ALSO, I DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION
[08:54:00] <user___> Pleasant snoring
[08:57:14] <aventtini> i dot know also im onservo more then step
[08:58:05] <aventtini> i thyng to cofigure a xhc04 for 6 h and no one is answering yet
[09:00:07] <user___> Can someone please find out what package supplies probe_parport.ko ?
[09:04:34] <norias> you're pretty demanding
[09:05:18] <CaptHindsight> user___: you're trying pretty hard to be ignored. Have you tried the mail list? Growing up, practice delaying gratification, etc etc
[09:05:41] <SpeedEvil> Silly question.
[09:05:48] <SpeedEvil> Has anyone made a vacuum furnace?
[09:06:08] <user___> With 100% hindsight, I did google and scour the web and packages.
[09:06:17] <user___> Before coming here.
[09:06:22] <aventtini> i have one but is large
[09:07:06] <aventtini> vacuum plasma coating
[09:09:41] <SpeedEvil> aventtini: Neat.
[09:10:23] <SpeedEvil> Wondering about fairly basic thing that can go in a vacuum chamber.
[09:12:08] <aventtini> metal coatings
[09:12:13] <aventtini> and glass
[09:15:56] <SpeedEvil> yeah - CVD is cool.
[09:18:20] <aventtini> this xhc it dam hard to make it work
[09:18:30] <aventtini> >))))
[09:19:10] <Roguish> aventtini: is the 'xhc' you're speaking of a pendant? which model number?
[09:21:28] <aventtini> yes 04
[09:21:38] <aventtini> cat get it to work
[09:21:48] <aventtini> on 1 mchine is ok
[09:21:57] <aventtini> second is dead
[09:21:58] <Roguish> picture?
[09:22:03] <aventtini> team
[09:22:07] <aventtini> ?
[09:22:40] <Roguish> dead? bad quality?
[09:22:45] <aventtini> no
[09:23:00] <aventtini> im trying to instal
[09:23:05] <aventtini> but no success
[09:23:26] <aventtini> on my 1 machine it works ok
[09:23:38] <aventtini> made same on second no
[09:23:39] <Roguish> wired or wireless?
[09:23:52] <Roguish> i am looking for a pendant for my mill.
[09:24:40] <aventtini> wireless
[09:25:07] <Roguish> this one:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant
[09:25:20] <Roguish> ???
[09:25:45] <aventtini> yep
[09:27:03] <Roguish> ok. so, 1 of your's works good? and the other does not work? maybe communication errror?
[09:27:22] <aventtini> no its same
[09:27:44] <aventtini> i got out te worki g one to test the new machine
[09:27:55] <aventtini> no its setup
[09:28:04] <Roguish> which linuxcnc version? 2.6 or 2.7 or master?
[09:29:09] <aventtini> 2.6.10
[09:30:01] <Roguish> ok, thanks for the info. hope you get them working.
[09:30:28] <aventtini> it will
[09:30:49] <aventtini> in gerneral is a good pg for 70$
[09:35:38] <ssi> morn
[09:36:16] <aventtini> morn
[09:52:30] <Simonious> Gecko320 finally gave up last week
[09:52:46] <Simonious> wish I had the time to tear every wire off of that thing and redo it clean.
[09:54:43] <aventtini> some times is hard but give up never
[09:57:22] <os1r1s> Does anyone have an encoder like the amt-102 connected directly to linuxcnc (no mesa card)?
[09:58:09] <aventtini> what do you need
[09:58:11] <aventtini> ?
[09:59:00] <aventtini> onnections
[09:59:04] <aventtini> connections
[09:59:08] <aventtini> ?
[10:00:45] <os1r1s> I'm trying to see if there is a sample to connect it directly to the HAL and bypass my mesa card
[10:01:07] <aventtini> nope
[10:03:31] <skunkworks> os1r1s, what are you trying to do?
[10:03:38] <aventtini> archivist : are you on?
[10:05:33] <os1r1s> skunkworks: I've got a G540 hooked up to a 5i25 now. I don't have enough inputs to add a encoder, but I have an extra lpt port. I was going to try and hook the amt-102 up directly to it
[10:06:18] <skunkworks> os1r1s, the 5i25 actually has 2 ports - are you using both?
[10:06:22] <ssi> os1r1s: you'd be better off getting a breakout for the second port on the 5i25 and using that
[10:06:35] <os1r1s> skunkworks: Yeah. I am using the other port for a diff machine
[10:06:45] <skunkworks> oh
[10:07:16] <skunkworks> what is the encoder used for?
[10:07:35] <os1r1s> spindle speed/movement. This is a lathe, so I want to use index + A
[10:09:28] <aventtini> any of you with mmpg pandant
[10:10:16] <aventtini> if it has a index wire out you can use it
[10:10:33] <os1r1s> aventtini: I have the XHC-HB04
[10:10:58] <aventtini> do you know you to configure it
[10:11:03] <pcw_home> AMT102s have settable resolution so should work fine for software reading via LPT (at low res)
[10:11:14] <aventtini> i have tested all day
[10:11:23] <skunkworks> os1r1s, you really would want that to be hardware counted... Could you move some other i/o (that doesn't have to be fast) to the printer port? or buy a mesa daughter board and get a ton more i/o
[10:11:28] <aventtini> nos success on this verion for me
[10:11:32] <os1r1s> pcw_home: Thing 500 ppr is too high?
[10:12:03] <pcw_home> at some RPM is is :-)
[10:12:23] <os1r1s> I won't go above 2800
[10:12:34] <pcw_home> no way with PP
[10:12:38] <os1r1s> Ok
[10:12:49] <aventtini> to much
[10:12:56] <os1r1s> I can move the limit switches off the G540 and directly to the PP
[10:13:01] <os1r1s> Would that work?
[10:13:07] <pcw_home> either lower resolution or limit max speed
[10:13:12] <ssi> yea limits on pp is fine
[10:13:15] <pcw_home> sure
[10:14:00] <os1r1s> pcw_home: Do you know if the G540 buffers in any way that would create a problem?
[10:14:04] <pcw_home> on the other hand you may not need the encoder to work at 2800 RPM if its for ridgid tapping/ threading
[10:14:28] <pcw_home> they may be slow, dont know
[10:15:20] <os1r1s> pcw_home: This is for threading
[10:16:11] <aventtini> pcw ca you help me with the xhc04, i got one machine working whit same pandant secont dot want
[10:18:08] <pcw_home> I dont know anything about USB connected devices (I stay away from them as much as possible)
[10:18:17] <skunkworks> aventtini, the forum would probably be a better place to ask.
[10:18:37] <aventtini> yes i kno it take log time
[10:18:50] <aventtini> im trying
[10:19:01] <aventtini> learning
[10:19:40] <aventtini> problem is im still getting pins error
[10:19:59] <aventtini> its same setup
[10:20:07] <aventtini> same pins
[10:20:22] <aventtini> 6 time i started over
[10:20:36] <_abc_> Any ideas on how to get hold of the nice people who made the debian linuxcnc release? It appears I installed it correctly and then it was hosed by the 1st aptitude update. Probably packages not pinned and such.
[10:21:01] <aventtini> o success i see in hallmetr but no move
[10:21:18] <cradek> _abc_: describe hosed please?
[10:23:12] <_abc_> cradek: probe_parport.ko vanished, although I do not remember updating the kernel, and a component needed by stepconf, called axisu.glade vanished. Both were in locate db after the update so I know they were there. Result: probe input not usable in linuxcnc and stepconf error on startup and aborts with missing file.
[10:24:00] <_abc_> The live dvd I used for install has rtai kernels 3.2 on it, the system ended up with 3.4 kernels. It worked fine for a few days then when I upgraded it...
[10:24:02] <cradek> you are using the linuxcnc packages? did you change major versions by changing sources?
[10:24:13] <_abc_> No souces.list editing at all
[10:24:51] <cradek> probe_parport was removed between major versions. maybe you have an old config you have not updated?
[10:24:58] <_abc_> It was the way the install left it. Wait wait. synaptic asked me to use a better mirror at some point. Could that be it? The change date on sources.list is of today when the problem occurred
[10:25:12] <_abc_> cradek: the config is new generated by stepconf after install.
[10:25:19] <_abc_> After a simple table of pins to wire,
[10:25:22] <_abc_> on paper
[10:26:19] <cradek> possibly you are seeing stepconf bugs
[10:26:24] <cradek> what version are you running now?
[10:26:39] <_abc_> Hm? I am not at the machine now. It said axis 2.8 I think iirc
[10:27:06] <cradek> the latest releases are 2.6.10 and 2.7.0
[10:27:08] <_abc_> I will reinstall from scratch, it is a new install, no bog deal, I was working on other hw aspects in between
[10:27:29] <_abc_> Hmm. So maybe I do not remember well? 2.6.8 ? Could be?
[10:27:36] <cradek> it's really not clear to me what all you have done and what error you are seeing
[10:27:48] <_abc_> I do not fully understand where the install dvd keeps the list of things to install
[10:28:02] <cradek> well let me summarize
[10:28:10] <_abc_> cradek: I will be able to backtrack after a fresh install followed by step by step upgrade.
[10:28:15] <cradek> ok
[10:28:22] <_abc_> Also I will report numbers etc tomorrow about this time or later
[10:28:43] <_abc_> I just did not pay much attention to things, leaving them on autopilot.
[10:28:44] <cradek> after the install from our image, upgrade and dist-upgrade via apt should not ever break anything
[10:29:08] <cradek> you can change between major versions by editing sources
[10:29:12] <_abc_> synaptic changed the sources.list for sure, the modify date coincides with when I used it, then I went to aptitude.
[10:29:27] <cradek> changing between major versions of linuxcnc may require you to make changes to your old configs
[10:29:42] <cradek> see the docs for these instructions
[10:29:44] <_abc_> I realize that, I have some old old configs and I only use them to glean pin numbers and such.
[10:29:58] <_abc_> I usually generate a new one using stepconf then edit it manually
[10:30:23] <_abc_> Is the probe_parport.ko gone gone? Please point me at a replacement module/strategy/howto?
[10:31:24] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/updating-linuxcnc.html#_parallel_port
[10:32:15] <_abc_> Ah! Thanks, usual searches failed to bring that up at all this morning.
[10:32:52] <_abc_> So simply removing load parport_probe is enough to make it work?
[10:33:04] <cradek> please read all the words there :-)
[10:33:37] <_abc_> Rephrased: who handles the probe keywords now? The paragraph is terse...
[10:33:54] <_abc_> Example of probe config new style please? Hal file or doc?
[10:34:26] <_abc_> So my understanding would be, stepconf was not upgraded or partially upgraded too?
[10:35:03] <cradek> if stepconf makes broken configs that's a stepconf bug
[10:35:22] <_abc_> Also one very bad thing: is there a way to make Axis NOT shut off the spindle relay when the spindle rpm slider goes to 0? It should not go to 0 anyway, should stop at MIN_SPINDLE_?
[10:35:28] <_abc_> cradek: okay
[10:36:19] <cradek> I don't know about the spindle thing without trying it, sorry
[10:36:28] <_abc_> I set MIN_SPINDLE_OVERRIDE = 0.5 to MIN_SPINDLE_OVERRIDE = 1.0 and so on, no change, the spindle override slider goes to 0 when left, and shuts off the spindle relay.
[10:36:48] <_abc_> Iow Axis does not interpret the MIN_SPINDLE_OVERRIDE at all.
[10:38:09] <_abc_> I tried to tinker with the hal settings (nets) but was unable to make it stop doing that. Don't know if it's 2 separate bugs or one. In any case, taking the speed override to 0 must NOT shut off the spindle relay (the spindle on button remains on as set and moving the slider right again closes the relay again)
[11:12:09] <aventtini3> guys i have made the pandant but scale and mpg is not working
[11:12:52] <aventtini3> all of the buttons are working . I got the axis out and scale from hal
[11:13:01] <aventtini3> and now i know where is the problem
[11:13:31] <aventtini3> i have used halmeter and i see all the pins connected and working
[11:13:57] <aventtini3> but i did not see a example of how to connect them in the ini file
[11:14:42] <aventtini3> for example i have the axis.o.jog-enable
[11:15:03] <aventtini3> i must get the pin converted in the ini file
[11:15:13] <aventtini3> halui to actual pin
[11:16:49] <aventtini3> ?
[11:17:09] <MrSunshine> hmm anyone know of a program that i can import gcode files into and tile them up for a sheet ?
[11:17:35] <MrSunshine> fusion 360 doesnt realy make it easy to do alot of parts at the same tim e:/
[11:18:02] <ssi> MrSunshine: maybe something like sheetcam, but I dunno if it can start with already processed gcode
[11:18:37] <ssi> a method that I've used in the past is to add a jog and a touchoff to the end of my program
[11:18:40] <MrSunshine> i use vectric for 2d stuff, works nice ..but got alot of 3d contours and stuff on these parts and aspire doesnt do that realy well with the angles that are on it :/
[11:18:50] <ssi> so after cutting a part, the tool is positioned to start running the program again on a new section of sheet
[11:19:05] <archivist> all parts the same? use linuxcnc and place one in a subroutine
[11:19:08] <MrSunshine> yeah, but then i need to plan it up on the sheet and stuff
[11:19:12] <MrSunshine> archivist: nop
[11:19:15] <MrSunshine> 5 different parts
[11:19:34] <MrSunshine> and i need to rotate them etc to make the most use of the sheet
[11:20:44] <archivist> put the 5 parts on one cad file before you ever put it in the cam file
[11:21:49] <MrSunshine> thing is that its a 3d model .. i guess i could align the parts etc to the planes and stuff, alot of fiddling to do to get it right .. but i guess its doable =)
[11:21:59] <os1r1s> pcw_home: Do I need to change the .bit file to make the mesa card read the encoder?
[11:24:25] <pcw_home> I dont think so, I think the default G540 config has an encoder on 3 inputs
[11:25:47] <pcw_home> take a look at g540x2.pin
[11:29:23] <os1r1s> pcw_home: So I would use the A/B/Index Quad input for the encoder
[11:40:23] <ganzuul_> https://youtu.be/hy8U0Fx34Pg?t=40s
[11:40:36] <ssi> does anyone know anything about making up high pressure hoses for nitrogen?
[11:40:42] <ganzuul_> Structural Steel Bolted Welded Connection Review
[11:47:29] <os1r1s> pcw_home: Do you sell a jumper/extension cable which would connect the normal DB25 connection on the 7i76 to the outside of a case?
[11:49:02] <ssi> os1r1s: do you mean for the internal pin header port?
[11:49:25] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-16-Inch-Parallel-Female-PLATE25F16/dp/B00213KJSC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1444062328&sr=8-1&keywords=DB25+header+cable
[11:49:26] <os1r1s> ssi: The 7i76 only has an external connector, not the smaller IDC cable
[11:49:49] <os1r1s> ssi: I would need a male DB25 connector on the other side
[11:49:52] <os1r1s> If that makes sense
[11:49:54] <ssi> sry I thought you were talking about for hooking up a second daughterboard to the 5i25
[11:50:09] <ssi> you just need a male to female extension db25?
[11:50:19] <os1r1s> A small one ... 6-12"
[11:50:26] <os1r1s> I've not seen one though
[11:58:02] <ganzuul_> Do bolts easily work their way out of brass?
[11:58:42] <archivist> yes/no/depends
[11:58:54] <ganzuul_> ...
[11:59:00] * ganzuul_ takes notes
[11:59:09] <ssi> safety wire!
[11:59:38] <archivist> vibration frays the safety wire
[11:59:42] * ganzuul_ knows about airplane bolts!
[11:59:52] <ssi> archivist: eh?
[12:00:02] <ssi> how exactly does stainless single-strand wire 'fray'?
[12:00:15] <ganzuul_> It's solid wire.
[12:00:28] <ganzuul_> They use a special wire twisting tool.
[12:00:45] <ganzuul_> And also pay a lot of attention to the geometry.
[12:00:53] <ssi> yeah and I want the fancy new milbar "wave jaw" ones
[12:01:14] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snap-on-Milbar-7-tigerwave-safety-wire-pliers-/131463061742?nma=true&si=x0E0E8eyqE7fREX3gN5DbDmptQ4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
[12:01:19] <ssi> want want want want want want
[12:01:55] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/Aircraft-Tool-Supply-7W-TIGERWAVE/dp/B00TXT7M00
[12:02:11] <ssi> the lock on it is awesome
[12:02:16] <ssi> squeeze to lock, squeeze to unlock
[12:02:48] <ganzuul_> Fancy
[12:03:05] <ganzuul_> Make one! \o/
[12:03:10] <ssi> naaaaah
[12:03:17] <ssi> I have enough stupid tool projects to work on :)
[12:03:25] <ganzuul_> lol
[12:03:32] <ganzuul_> Example?
[12:03:41] <ssi> heh you ready for this?
[12:03:46] <ssi> I bought a set of iron castings to make a die filer
[12:03:47] <ganzuul_> I want to start making some tools.
[12:03:52] <ganzuul_> oooh
[12:03:57] <ganzuul_> From that site, eh
[12:03:58] <ssi> before I start on the die filer, I want to make a boring head
[12:04:01] <ssi> from castings, by the same guy
[12:04:09] <ssi> cause his directions have you use the boring head for some ops
[12:04:16] <ssi> in order to make the boring head, I have to cut a thread in it to fit my lathe
[12:04:38] <ssi> in order to cut the thread, I need a gage to check it. I can't check it against the lathe while I'm cutting it on the lathe
[12:04:41] <ssi> so I had to make a thread gage
[12:04:46] <archivist> thread mill it
[12:04:51] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN5-vI4WoAAxHA9.jpg:large
[12:04:57] <ssi> archivist: I'm not equipped to do so right now
[12:05:04] <ganzuul_> :D
[12:05:10] <archivist> yet
[12:05:13] <ssi> yet
[12:05:22] <ssi> so the other route would be finish converting my vmc so I can thread mill it :)
[12:05:27] <ssi> either way, I have a lot of work to do
[12:05:29] <ganzuul_> That's the best kind of project IMO. In the end you got a lot of stuff done.
[12:05:39] <ssi> ganzuul_: my entire life is a bootstrapping nightmare
[12:05:51] <ganzuul_> haha
[12:05:59] <ssi> I got the next pour done on my furnace last night
[12:06:00] <ssi> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12088026_10100790323872132_4003497409748099921_n.jpg?oh=0610b12ac3f5e76cac33d4d3e3f87634&oe=56D11701
[12:06:08] <aventtini3> guys whay it the scale and mpg not working on a xhc04 what i did not setup right?
[12:06:11] <archivist> I need space to be able to use machines I have
[12:06:28] <ssi> archivist: I have space these days... I have four hangars, and I'm about to pick up another big one
[12:06:37] <ssi> I'm going to be splitting a 60x60' hangar with a friend of mine
[12:06:43] <ssi> and probably drop one or two of the t-hangars
[12:06:46] <ganzuul_> ' The novelist in the tale speculates that he has spent his whole life learning how to write, so a second life would make sense, "to apply the lesson." Second lives aren't usually available, so the novelist says of himself and his fellow artists: "We work in the dark--we do what we can--we give what we have. Our doubt is our passion and our passion is our task. The rest is the madness of art." ' - https
[12:06:52] <ganzuul_> ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Middle_Years_%28story%29
[12:07:08] <archivist> aventtini, diagnosis we cannot do that remotely
[12:07:24] <aventtini3> i tryed my brains out
[12:07:32] <aventtini3> i can see in halmeter
[12:07:35] <aventtini3> is corect
[12:07:39] <aventtini3> buttons work
[12:08:17] <ssi> ganzuul_: I've already lived a dozen lifetimes... I've learned 60% of many different trades :)
[12:08:29] <ganzuul> :D
[12:08:33] <_abc_> ssi: but not 100% of any one, right?
[12:08:41] <ssi> _abc_: nobody can learn 100% of anything
[12:08:45] <ssi> but I've gotten pretty close on a couple
[12:08:54] <_abc_> true. So we can proudly stop at 60%.
[12:09:07] <ssi> that's not what I meant to imply
[12:09:08] <archivist> jack of all trades
[12:09:16] <ssi> I'm a notorious jack of all trades
[12:09:16] <archivist> I am trying too
[12:09:17] <_abc_> jacking off in all trades
[12:09:27] <aventtini3> i comment out the problem . I did test with the sample files but linuxcnc wont start
[12:09:30] <ganzuul> :p
[12:09:30] <_abc_> ssi: what do you do with the furnace normally? When not playing?
[12:09:36] <ssi> but I have attained what I consider to be mastery of some things
[12:09:40] <aventtini3> no error or someting
[12:09:45] <ssi> _abc_: the furnace? nothing yet
[12:09:50] <ssi> I'm trying to get set up to do some aluminum casting
[12:10:10] <_abc_> ssi: so you make mold positives with linuxcnc then sand & investment?
[12:10:10] * ganzuul is pretty good with linux stuff by now
[12:10:11] <archivist> aventtini, you dont give use anything to go on to help
[12:10:38] <ssi> _abc_: there's a few ways to go about it... I'll probably do some patternmaking by hand in wood
[12:10:48] <_abc_> uhh. How do you remove the wood?
[12:11:00] <ganzuul> FIRE
[12:11:05] <_abc_> I read there is a new silicone or clay based mold material which can take the heat of Al.
[12:11:07] <aventtini3> i can give you access to my machine
[12:11:08] <ssi> traditional casting, you use a split flask and a split pattern
[12:11:15] <_abc_> Can take 700C briefly.
[12:11:18] <ssi> open up the flask and remove the pattern
[12:11:31] <ssi> I also intend to play with lost-PLA casting, and 3d print the plugs
[12:11:34] <aventtini3> i conected like in the wiki
[12:11:45] <_abc_> ssi: You you reuse the flask? Or is it sand + water glass 'green' mold.
[12:11:47] <aventtini3> it starts whit a error on jogs and scales
[12:11:56] <archivist> aventtini, you need to learn diagnosis, follow signals, to where they stop, decide where to connect etc
[12:11:57] <ssi> it's all reusable
[12:12:04] <aventtini3> i coment out them test some configurations no luck
[12:12:05] <ssi> cores get made out of sand+waterglass
[12:12:16] <_abc_> Cores?!
[12:12:19] <ssi> but the flask is the reusable box, and the mold is made in the flask out of greensand, which is reusable
[12:12:25] <aventtini3> i usinv v06 for it and tested whit v3
[12:12:30] <ssi> yeah you need a core to make a hollow part
[12:12:30] <_abc_> Ah okay so the flask is the holder.
[12:12:38] <ssi> there's a billion videos on casting on youtube
[12:12:42] <ssi> want me to point you to one?
[12:12:47] <_abc_> Yeah terminology problems. I am not a native English speaker.
[12:12:53] <aventtini3> i did not understand the conection of the halui
[12:13:12] <_abc_> No, I am very familiar with lost wax and similar techniques. Nearly got asthma from that.
[12:13:21] <aventtini3> i need to connect my halui specific pins for jog in ini
[12:14:00] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPgD9hFIhSA
[12:14:06] <ssi> there's a good one of doing a split pattern casting with a core
[12:14:12] * ganzuul has a few kg of lye...
[12:15:13] <aventtini3> it says pin not connected in the errors
[12:15:47] <archivist> so connect pins as needed
[12:15:47] <aventtini3> i know the pins that work because i see them in meter
[12:16:04] <aventtini3> in the ini file ?
[12:16:20] <archivist> hal file
[12:16:32] <_abc_> Say, does one not use a special sand binder for Al casting molds? Since water glass is corrosive to Al?
[12:16:40] <archivist> or postgui hal
[12:16:45] <aventtini3> of the machine or the pandent ?
[12:16:51] <archivist> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Jogging_With_Buttons_On_A_Pendant
[12:16:52] <aventtini3> i have 2 files
[12:18:08] <aventtini3> ok so i need to get the actual pin in the main hal file and convert it to halui
[12:18:19] <_abc_> cradek: does the live system install properly in a vm? I assume the rtai and a vm will not get along easily, but I need to try this.
[12:18:39] <ssi> _abc_: there's two types of sand most people use, greensand is sand with bentonite clay and water, and oil-bonded sand like petrobond is sand with bentone and oil
[12:18:48] <ssi> the waterglass is mostly only used for cores
[12:18:52] <_abc_> I see
[12:19:00] <ssi> and I haven't heard anyone talk about corrosion issues
[12:19:11] <_abc_> They never say water glass they say sodium silicate in the ingredient list.
[12:19:17] <_abc_> And they sometimes say 'not ok for Al'
[12:19:25] <cradek> _abc_: yeah it works fine, but of course does not give realtime performance as you say
[12:19:56] <_abc_> cradek: This is not a realtime problem it is a setup/config problem. I plan to troubleshoot the update process step by step in a vm and hope to nail it.
[12:19:58] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mx1-o1_MWo
[12:20:15] <_abc_> Pretty sure synaptic messed up sources.list before I used aptitude with the messed up list
[12:20:15] <cradek> _abc_: super
[12:20:21] <ganzuul> Homemade sodium silicate (water glass)
[12:20:24] <_abc_> But I need to know. Drives me nuts.
[12:20:46] <_abc_> cradek: So again: the probing stuff should work, pin defs etc, excepting for the module load (not needed?)
[12:21:03] <cradek> probing?
[12:21:13] <_abc_> probe pin probe script G38.n
[12:21:28] <cradek> wait
[12:22:08] <cradek> you are confusing probe_parport (massage PnP parallel ports somehow, now unneeded) with probing (poke a workpiece with a switch under cnc control using G38.x gcodes)
[12:22:14] <cradek> those are totally unrelated
[12:23:50] <_abc_> cradek: how unrelated? The probe is connected to a parport pin
[12:24:07] <cradek> a probe may be connected to any kind of realtime input
[12:24:11] <_abc_> Oh wait. The coin dropped
[12:24:31] <cradek> bbl, lunch
[12:24:31] <_abc_> probe_parport is just a module to probe ports, as in 0x378 etc, right?
[12:29:33] <pcw_home> its to tickle weirdo LPT ports into working (not needed anymore)
[12:30:15] <_abc_> yes I get it. I got excited over nothing
[12:30:45] <_abc_> Can someone please say what package provides the stepconf file axisu.glade? I have axisx.glade, y z but not u v w
[12:30:57] <_abc_> They vanished during an update which went wrong
[12:56:45] <cmorley> master has axisu.glade not 2.7
[13:08:54] <Wolf_Mill> man coming from this crap little X1 the x2 parts look huge lol
[13:09:21] <ssi> lol
[13:09:24] <archivist> beef it up to carry the big bits
[13:09:28] <ssi> x2s look tiny next to x3/bf20s
[13:09:34] <ssi> and x3s look tiny next to RF45s
[13:09:38] <ssi> the circle of life :)
[13:10:48] <Wolf_Mill> well, I still have all the fun stuff to do, like pressing in the spindle bearings and many mounts to make
[13:13:19] <Tom_itx> just beat em in with a big hammer
[13:14:11] <Tom_itx> what'd china want for your spare board?
[13:15:03] <Wolf_Mill> they told me $40 shipped, then when they finally linked me the listing it was $53 and pic doesnt match what I have lol
[13:15:28] <Wolf_Mill> need to check to see if they messaged me back
[13:18:29] <ssi> hey fw
[13:23:05] <enleth> Faced with a bent pridgeport spindle, what would you do, buy a used or "new" one off ebay or make a drawing and order a new one made locally?
[13:23:20] <enleth> *bridgeport
[13:23:22] <ssi> enleth: do you have an idea what it would cost to have one made?
[13:24:30] <_abc_> Let's ask how the spindle was bent...
[13:24:46] <_abc_> Speaking of, what diy stall detectors do people make ?
[13:24:50] <enleth> ssi: where I live - possibly less than $700 it usually takes to buy a used but well preserved spindle in the US and ship it to Europe
[13:25:15] <ssi> enleth: yeah that makes a big difference
[13:25:18] <_abc_> Hmm? Machine stall detectors?
[13:25:35] <enleth> ssi: I have the rigid ram model that takes longer spindles, relatively rare
[13:25:37] <ssi> _abc_: stepper or servo?
[13:25:57] <ssi> enleth: is there any chance of getting an original factory print of the part?
[13:26:03] <_abc_> ssi: Both? Either? What does one do to detect mechanical stall
[13:26:04] <ssi> I'd just be worried about not blueprinting it accurately
[13:26:17] <enleth> ssi: I guess not.
[13:26:24] <_abc_> Strain gauges on spindle carrier arm?
[13:26:25] <enleth> yeah.
[13:26:37] <ssi> _abc_: when steppers stall, you lose position. some form of positional feedback can give you an indication of stall
[13:26:58] <ssi> when servos stall, current goes up dramatically, and if they stall enough to violate follow limits, you'll get a machine fault
[13:27:09] <enleth> it would suck to pay big buck for a shiny new spindle that doesn't work.
[13:27:09] <ssi> but you can have current monitoring for axis load meters
[13:27:13] <_abc_> ssi: I mean, things like vfd spindle stalled, mill ate itself into part and stalled and the like.
[13:27:49] <ssi> _abc_: for spindle, if you've got spindle feedback, you can close the loop on the spindle and set it up to fault if it can't maintain rpm
[13:27:58] <ssi> or again, current monitoring for spindle load indications
[13:28:08] <ssi> a lot of vfds have that option
[13:28:14] <_abc_> Current does not change much when stalling an induction motor.
[13:28:41] <_abc_> So you are saying, besides detecting slipped servos or steppers and unlocked spindle vfd there is little one does?
[13:28:52] <ssi> yea
[13:30:17] <pcw_home> most VFDs that have a modbus option allow you to monitor current
[13:31:35] <pcw_home> and some have analog load current outputs
[13:46:10] <_abc_> cradek:
http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=infrastructure.git;a=blob_plain;f=repositories/release-wheezy.conf;hb=HEAD is this the latest release which is the iso on linuxcnc.org?
[13:59:34] <ganzuul> Aluminium flakes is glitter for men.
[14:00:08] <ganzuul> And boy did I create a lot of fabulous just now...
[14:01:21] <Deejay> yeah
[14:02:25] <_abc_> Okay I pulled the latest git version of linuxcnc cradek ; I did not realize you were one of the culprits earlyer ;)
[14:02:48] <ganzuul> Maybe making capstans and shafts for cable drives out of old aluminium belt pullies isn't as convenient as I hoped. Those teeth make these little hot flakes that just spray on my arm.
[14:03:19] <ganzuul> And turning up the spindle speed just makes thinner and sharper flakes.
[14:03:37] <_abc_> Suicide by milling
[14:03:45] <_abc_> 'Aluharakiri'
[14:03:56] <_abc_> Get some long sleeved jacket and gloves
[14:04:31] <_abc_> In my country it's mostly illegal to work with machines with short sleeved shirts or pants on, or sandals.
[14:04:53] <ganzuul> So naked is OK?
[14:04:54] <JT-Shop> you have to work nakid?
[14:04:57] <JT-Shop> lol
[14:05:13] <_abc_> You need to get laid. Cotton jacket and pants.
[14:05:14] <cradek> sleeves and gloves will pull you into the machine. that is much worse.
[14:05:29] <_abc_> cradek: being pulled by your own skin or body hair is better?
[14:05:34] <cradek> yes yes yes
[14:05:41] <cradek> because it tears
[14:06:18] <_abc_> That being said, I used a steel brush set in wood handle to help some chips off a mill. The mill promptly grabbed the free bristles and ripped them out making a knot on the the mill bit. No good deed shall be left unpunished.
[14:06:53] <cradek> wise you weren't using a glove instead of a brush at that time
[14:07:07] <_abc_> Oh I never touch moving parts when possible obviously.
[14:07:33] <_abc_> Touching moving parts brings bad luck.
[14:07:39] <ganzuul> Maybe I can grow thicker hair on my arms...
[14:07:57] * ganzuul flexes
[14:07:59] * _abc_ 's hair is thick enough to make him prefer the cotton sleeve
[14:08:00] <ganzuul> hnnnn!
[14:08:47] <_abc_> cradek: Do you have a hunch where to look inside axis concerning the spindle override slider? The problem where pulled to left goes to zero, and shuts off spindle relay?
[14:09:04] <_abc_> cradek: would that be an axis problem or a motion problem?
[14:10:59] <cradek> I am surprised that spindle on but at 0% override turns off motion.spindle-on and motion.spindle-forward but I see that it does
[14:11:01] <_abc_> (and I found the missin axisu.glade etc files in the git but why did they vanish from my system?!)
[14:11:08] <_abc_> will elucidate this tomorrow.
[14:11:16] <_abc_> Thanks for now, will be back.
[14:11:18] <enleth> ssi: to be honest, when I think about making an accurate spindle drawing, I come to a conclusion that it can't be *that* difficult with a proper set of accurate micrometers. But every time I start to think that something I've never done before (in this case, blueprinting precision machine spindles) is easy, I take it as a warning that there must be some kind of difficulty that I'm not even aware of. Does
[14:11:24] <enleth> that ring any bells?
[14:12:10] <enleth> I mean, I can't come up with any gotchas other than "measure things correctly, duh"
[14:12:19] <cradek> stepconf only handles at most XYZA so I don't know what you mean by axisu.glade
[14:12:20] <enleth> But there must be some.
[14:12:23] <_abc_> enleth: I don't know why you are not speccing the part number. Spindle axles are rather specially alloyed and tempered afaik. Or were 25 years ago when I last had to do with one.
[14:12:37] <cradek> I'd be interested in a real bug report (do you get an error, what is it, when you do what)
[14:12:55] <enleth> _abc_: was that a polite "you're fucking insane if you want to make one"?
[14:12:58] <_abc_> cradek: stepconf wants to load axisu.glade and axisu.glade is present in stepconf from recent git pull.
[14:12:59] <cradek> (the sourceforge tracker is the place to put nontrivial bug reports)
[14:13:04] <cradek> when you do what?
[14:13:09] <_abc_> enleth: no, but expect going uphill both ways
[14:13:22] <_abc_> cradek: When I start stepconf
[14:13:23] <cradek> stepconf runs for me in 2.7.0
[14:13:38] <cradek> recent git pull of what?
[14:13:46] <_abc_> It ran for me fine in the deb wheezy install until this morning when I did the stupid update
[14:13:59] <cradek> I don't know what update you are doing
[14:14:07] <_abc_> git clone git://git.linuxcnc.org/git/emc2.git emc2-dev
[14:14:25] <cradek> ok so you are building master branch
[14:14:29] <_abc_> the update I explained earlyer. synaptic fubard sources.list then aptitude used that
[14:14:29] <enleth> _abc_: what if I leave the actual manufacturing to a company that does machine spindles every day, just never did this particular type? I assume they'd handle all the metallurgy stuff ~correctly.
[14:14:30] <cradek> earlier you said you were using packages
[14:14:58] <_abc_> cradek: I am not building it, I pulled it to look at source and to see which files I am missing because I can't find the missing files in a manifest
[14:15:18] <_abc_> I might build it later. Right now I am not on that machine, I got the git source to look at it
[14:15:29] <cradek> brb
[14:15:39] <_abc_> enleth: sure, plus they will likely make suggestions.
[14:16:08] <_abc_> enleth: such as are you sure you have 3.171 inch i.d. bearings and more. I don't remember the bad parts from way back then
[14:16:46] <enleth> The UK built b'ports have metric bearings, I think. That makes it a tad bit easier.
[14:17:13] <enleth> Have to take them off mine to measure the ID, didn't bother yet.
[14:19:36] <enleth> For now I just decided to screw it and make some chips, I measured the wobble, mounted a shit end mill and configured tool dia as actual diameter plus wobble
[14:19:40] <enleth> It's horrible but it works.
[14:25:39] <_abc_> Please don't take them off they have numbers stamped into the rims...
[14:25:59] <_abc_> The bearings
[14:26:34] <_abc_> All I remember is, lathe spindle bearings have CRAZY and I mean CRAZY numbers on them
[14:26:46] <_abc_> Very likely custom made. Hope mills are easyer.
[14:27:16] <enleth> AFAIK it isn't a matter of not taking them off but rather, of putting them back on in the same orientation relative to the spindle and to each other
[14:27:26] <furrywolf> somehow the pressure switch on my air compressor no longer has hysterisis. it's very annoying. probably not good for the relay, either...
[14:28:18] <_abc_> enleth: also you are assuming they did not take damage when you bent it.
[14:28:49] <_abc_> furrywolf: there is a spring loaded thing which provides hysterezis. It snapped out of place or snapped in place.
[14:28:55] <enleth> _abc_: I got the machine with the spindle wobbly already
[14:29:12] <_abc_> enleth: was it very cheap? How much runout?
[14:29:18] <enleth> _abc_: and, yeah, I assume those bearings are shot too
[14:29:49] <cradek> _abc_: figured out that you were talking about stepconf being broken in master, and verified the breakage, and fixed it
[14:30:00] <enleth> _abc_: less than 3x scrap value, much less than combined value of just the motors, drive and some misc parts combined, so still a good deal
[14:30:03] <_abc_> cradek: really? now?
[14:30:41] <_abc_> enleth: in that case, profit.
[14:30:55] <enleth> _abc_: about $2000, ways in decent shape, axes work smooth, wiring in very good condition, and so on.
[14:32:24] <enleth> _abc_: and that's also the reason I'm considering having the spindle made locally - getting a good used one in the US plus shipping is going to be ~$700, making one here - less than $500 I guess.
[14:32:43] <enleth> Labor is relatively cheap over here.
[14:37:32] <_abc_> okay
[14:37:41] <_abc_> I am in Euriope too
[14:37:46] <_abc_> -i
[14:38:21] <enleth> I'm in Poland, so that puts labor prices in a completely different range
[14:40:31] <enleth> Also, most shops are staffed by old machinists who don't really grasp the whole capitalism thing
[14:40:57] <Sync> well, I'd buy one, I doubt getting one made with proper heat treat and all will be over $500
[14:44:59] <enleth> Sync: OK, I went to ebay to check and - lo and behold - someone is selling two CNC spindles for less than $400
[14:45:03] <enleth> That's unusual.
[14:45:06] <_abc_> enleth: .ro here
[14:45:22] <furrywolf> _abc_: unfortunately it's a sealed crimped switch, so replacement is the repair option.
[14:45:28] <enleth> _abc_: ah, so you're in about the same boat
[14:45:37] <_abc_> enleth: it's cheaper here I think ;)
[14:45:47] <enleth> _abc_: cheap labor, expensive shipping from anywhere relevant
[14:46:00] <_abc_> furrywolf: well, then... but I don't think you are right. Most can be popped, the lids that is
[14:46:19] <enleth> huh, one of those spindles is hollow.
[14:46:25] <_abc_> furrywolf: when popping the lid expect a spring to jump out. Do not lose it.
[14:46:39] <enleth> And the guy says $50 for an Erickson locknut
[14:46:51] <enleth> Kennametal wants $350 for a new one
[14:47:40] <furrywolf> _abc_: it's a shiny stainless+aluminum industrial switch.
[14:48:03] <_abc_> furrywolf: yes, and Dremels make them less shiny and more jagged
[14:48:10] <enleth> holy shit I want to buy that right now.
[14:48:10] <furrywolf> lol
[14:48:34] <enleth> where's the catch?
[14:48:44] <_abc_> enleth: you'll find out when you get it
[14:49:20] <enleth> well, it's ebay, buyers have a lot more protection than sellers there
[14:49:45] <malcom2073> XXCoder:
[14:49:52] <malcom2073> You get a notice that it shipped, and a notification from the vendor that it may ship slowly, with a $15 refund? :P
[14:50:30] <ganzuul> Is brass/bronze brazed stainless food-safe?
[14:50:36] <enleth> malcom2073: that's aliexpress
[14:51:21] <_abc_> ganzuul: probably not. Silver brazed or tin brazed is.
[14:52:07] <_abc_> Here they require Silver braze or solder for all water piping (copper) which is somehow going to go to people or animal (?) consumption.
[14:52:33] <ganzuul> _abc_: Tin brazing... you say. Hmm.
[14:52:36] <malcom2073> enleth: Yeah, it's looking like these printers were a scam, doesn't seem real
[14:52:43] <_abc_> Tin soldering more likely
[14:52:56] <ganzuul> Silver solder is too expensive.
[14:53:08] <_abc_> No it is not. For the job it does.
[14:53:19] <Jymmm> ganzuul: "7.3.2 Brass and bronze may be used in a food zone where exposure to food is clearly and specifically limited to tea, coffee, or water. When used, the lead content of brass and bronze components shall not exceed 8.0 percent."
[14:53:20] <ganzuul> hmm
[14:53:37] <ganzuul> \o/
[14:53:40] <ganzuul> Mwaha
[14:53:56] <Sync> if you buy silver solder in quantity it is pretty okay
[14:53:56] <Jymmm> ganzuul: Not for food
[14:54:00] <ganzuul> Then I can build a shoxlet extractor for tea.
[14:54:09] <Sync> doit enleth
[14:54:16] <Jymmm> ganzuul: AND you need to know the lead content
[14:54:20] <ganzuul> hmm
[14:54:26] <Sync> just get a glass one?
[14:54:33] <fenn> preferably 0% lead
[14:54:57] <ganzuul> ...I don't wanna buy stuff. I wanna make stuff.
[14:55:12] <fenn> use your lathe to make threads
[14:56:04] <JT-Shop> crap, I ran this file last week and now it refuses to run past tool two with a linear move error
[14:56:07] <ganzuul> Oh right, that was what I was supposed to practice today.
[14:56:16] <Jymmm> ganzuul: Food Equipment Materials, ANSI/NSF 51 - 1997
http://standards.nsf.org/apps/group_public/download.php/3941/nsf51-97.pdf
[14:56:26] <ganzuul> Jymmm: thanks!
[14:57:17] <Jymmm> ganzuul: There is also a difference between storage and direct food contact as well.
[14:58:02] <Jymmm> ganzuul: a spon = direct food contact. A carrying tray a pate of food might sit on.
[14:58:07] <Jymmm> plate*
[14:58:30] <Jymmm> in-direct contact.
[14:59:14] <ganzuul> Sync: A more concrete excuse would perhaps be that I want to move away from lab-grade equipment and onto industrial-grade equipment.
[15:00:32] <_abc_> cradek:
https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/ did you see the LinuxCon speech by Jim Zemlin?
[15:03:03] <_abc_> http://2.f.ix.de/imgs/18/1/6/0/0/2/2/5/Tiobe_Oktober_15-42f83157dd502efc.png hmm C leads ...
[15:12:10] <enleth> Ah crap. Of course, $90 more of taxes and stuff.
[15:12:33] <enleth> why does it have to be so difficult to buy shit internationally?
[15:14:05] <anomynous> dont you have any farms nearby? :€
[15:15:41] <XXCoder> malcom2073: yeah?
[15:16:10] <ganzuul> enleth:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/shipping-globally.html
[15:16:13] <malcom2073> XXCoder: I got that, then another notice that it would take 30-45 days to arrive (conveniently outside the 38 day protection window)
[15:16:26] <malcom2073> I'm willing to bet if you dispute and get the $15 refund, you forfiet some kind of protection
[15:16:45] <XXCoder> the 3d printer?
[15:16:52] <XXCoder> shipping method says 3-7 days
[15:16:52] <ganzuul> "The Global Shipping Program (United States) and the Global Shipping Programme (United Kingdom) (collectively referred to herein as “GSPâ€) make certain items (“GSP Item(s)â€) located in the United States and United Kingdom available to buyers around the world."
[15:17:00] <malcom2073> Right, it does.
[15:17:14] <malcom2073> I got a notice saying "The shipping method you chose is unavailable, so we will be shipping china air post" or something
[15:17:41] <malcom2073> "hi. We choose China Post Air Parcel for you to send the parcel parcel may be delayed 30-45 days to arrive. We give you $15 in compensation, please submit the dispute in a timely manner. We now give you a refund compensation. Thank you"
[15:18:01] <XXCoder> yeah I would not accept $15
[15:18:08] <malcom2073> Not gonna
[15:18:27] <malcom2073> They also generated a tracking number, which doesn't seem to be in china post air's database
[15:19:23] <XXCoder> heh I specifically selected 3 day for one order. lets see what method they used for that one
[15:19:29] <malcom2073> Yep, as did I heh
[15:26:16] <XXCoder> Well I am disputing now. Just not amount seller is expecting me to.
[15:26:36] <malcom2073> Haha, did he send you the same message?
[15:26:41] <XXCoder> yep
[15:26:55] <malcom2073> The optimist in me wants to wait a week or two
[15:27:24] <XXCoder> webite specifically goes to inmail
[15:27:39] <malcom2073> inmail?
[15:27:41] <XXCoder> so yeah its not legit mail track
[15:29:49] <XXCoder> check url
http://intmail.11185.cn/
[15:30:25] <malcom2073> Yeah I saw that, figured it was something I didn't understand heh
[15:30:30] <malcom2073> but my shipment doesn't show up on that anyway
[15:33:11] <enleth> ganzuul: yeah, the seller allows global shipping, and that's exactly why they (as in the global shipping operator) will make sure that I pay VAT and import taxes
[15:34:27] <enleth> Every time I pay the import taxes, I hope one of those bureaucratic fuckwads will use my money to buy himself a snack and then choke to death on it.
[15:34:40] <Sync> I don't mind them
[15:36:27] <enleth> If the point of import taxes is to protect the local industry, then pray tell which local business sells the exact part I need - this is a question I'd like to ask anyone supporting that bullshit.
[15:36:54] <enleth> Of course, the answer is "none, I wouldn't be buying internationally if it were available locally"
[15:37:08] <enleth> But then, what's the point of the tax?
[15:37:23] <furrywolf> the point of the tax is so someone has more money.
[15:37:52] <enleth> And that's exactly why I'd like them to use that money to buy a snack and choke on it.
[15:42:24] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Let me know how the dispute process goes, I'll be going through that at some point :P
[15:42:51] <rootB> HAPPY TPP DAY!
[15:43:01] <furrywolf> a shunt regulator is probably exactly the wrong way to run a LED at a constant brightness given varrying voltage input... but it's the lowest forward voltage drop I can think of, AND the laziest to build. :)
[15:43:18] * furrywolf needs to go buy a 100R 10W resistor.
[15:44:34] <Wolf_Mill> this should be fun
http://i.imgur.com/jBjaRyg.jpg
[15:44:52] <XXCoder> malcom2073: decided to wait a day or 2
[15:44:59] <malcom2073> Heh
[15:45:14] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: What is that air powered thing?
[15:45:30] <malcom2073> Heh XXCoder, see? Optimism got the best of you!
[15:45:34] <Wolf_Mill> 3" air cylinder
[15:45:46] <XXCoder> not really just feel sick
[15:45:49] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: What for?
[15:45:56] <XXCoder> its been bad month or 2 so far
[15:46:04] <Wolf_Mill> lazy drawbar
[15:46:12] <malcom2073> Ah, that's unfortunate, I hope you feel better
[15:46:23] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: ooo nice
[15:46:36] <XXCoder> thanks. yeserday I was just fine though which just makes it worse
[15:46:56] <furrywolf> got a good bearing for it? and sure it'll have enough pull?
[15:47:31] <furrywolf> I usually think of power drawbars like zeeshan's with big hydraulic cylinders and lots of bellevilles. :)
[15:47:33] <Wolf_Mill> push to open the collet, use bellville spring washers
[15:47:52] <fenn> don't need a bearing for drawbar
[15:48:03] <Wolf_Mill> 120psi shop air, I should be at ~800lbs of force
[15:48:14] <malcom2073> I need to do a power drawbar
[15:48:17] <furrywolf> fenn: just make sure the spindle has stopped rotating? lol
[15:48:28] <fenn> yes, why lol?
[15:48:43] <fenn> do you often release the drawbar when the spindle is rotating?
[15:48:53] <Sync> hmm 800lbs is not a lot for a proper drawbar
[15:48:59] <furrywolf> no, I just like redundant ways of making sure things don't break.
[15:49:09] <Wolf_Mill> only r8 collet...
[15:49:12] <furrywolf> belt AND braces, damnit!
[15:50:23] <fenn> spend your spare redundancy on not throwing tools out of the spindle
[15:51:16] <furrywolf> lol
[15:52:00] * furrywolf bets with a spindle encoder and a tool with a known off-balance, you could aim them at people you don't like
[15:52:14] <malcom2073> heh
[15:52:25] <zeeshan|2> okay
[15:52:28] <zeeshan|2> i screwed myself big
[15:52:30] <zeeshan|2> ..
[15:52:30] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/YGGydhv.jpg
[15:52:41] <zeeshan|2> for some reason
[15:52:45] <zeeshan|2> these guys are weighing 3000lb?
[15:52:46] <zeeshan|2> er
[15:52:48] <zeeshan|2> 13000lb?
[15:52:53] <zeeshan|2> when it's supposed to be 10500..
[15:52:57] <rob_h> what is it
[15:53:00] <zeeshan|2> lathe
[15:53:02] <malcom2073> Lol nice
[15:53:08] <zeeshan|2> so the guy is saying
[15:53:11] <zeeshan|2> his forklift likely cant handle it
[15:53:16] <malcom2073> What's a thousand between friends?
[15:53:36] <furrywolf> so move parts of it.
[15:53:38] <rob_h> dont u love new toys
[15:53:45] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: like what ?
[15:53:46] <malcom2073> Take it apart, that's a rollback, you can set it down so the trucker can leave
[15:53:48] <zeeshan|2> the spindle motor?
[15:54:06] <malcom2073> Yes
[15:54:08] <malcom2073> anything that unbolts
[15:54:09] <malcom2073> unbolt it
[15:54:13] <furrywolf> you're planning on linuxcncing it, so the control can go...
[15:54:15] <malcom2073> The power supply, electronics
[15:54:17] <rob_h> cany you drop it onto wood/blocks and then deal with it
[15:54:24] <zeeshan|2> rob_h: thats the prob
[15:54:27] <zeeshan|2> he's saying he cant lift
[15:54:36] <furrywolf> how did he get it on there?
[15:54:37] <zeeshan|2> he's about to physically try it in 10 min
[15:54:42] <zeeshan|2> the place loaded it
[15:54:46] <zeeshan|2> w/ a 25000lb fork lift
[15:54:51] <Wolf_Mill> is that 13000 counting the chip convyor and whatnot
[15:54:52] <furrywolf> and he has a 10000?
[15:54:55] <zeeshan|2> Wolf_Mill: no
[15:54:59] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: no 12500
[15:55:04] <furrywolf> bah, it'll be fine.
[15:55:07] <zeeshan|2> i know
[15:55:07] <rob_h> what make is it
[15:55:09] <zeeshan|2> whats what im sayin!
[15:55:12] <zeeshan|2> nakamura tome tmc3
[15:55:16] <Wolf_Mill> how the hell did it gain weight then lol
[15:55:27] <fenn> lots of crud jammed in it :P
[15:55:31] <malcom2073> Water weight
[15:55:31] <zeeshan|2> lol
[15:55:33] <malcom2073> did it rain on it? :P
[15:55:38] <furrywolf> if not, look for things that unbolt easily. electronics, hydraulic pumps, big motors, tooling, tailstock, chuck, etc...
[15:55:38] <XXCoder> air weight
[15:55:59] <rob_h> most of weight be in the bed being natamura
[15:56:07] <Sync> is it a hydraulic bed?
[15:56:12] <Sync> just have him tilt it
[15:57:43] <rob_h> id just try and lift it.. it will lift it or just say no way .. if it did lift it just be prepared u might not get much lift from it
[15:57:50] <furrywolf> and if the forklift can lift it, but tilts, pile heavy crap on the back end. :P
[15:58:02] <rob_h> lo
[15:58:10] <Sync> or the overload trips
[15:59:12] <rob_h> looks like 1 door is missing so thats alittle less
[15:59:51] <furrywolf> yes, doors are another thing that can make it lighter.
[16:00:28] <furrywolf> bbl, errands.
[16:00:39] <rob_h> or find two forklifts ;)
[16:00:46] * ganzuul takes LinuxCNC and a quad-copter, tries banging them together like rocks
[16:01:34] <zeeshan|2> he tried lifting it
[16:01:37] <zeeshan|2> says his forklift tries to tip.
[16:01:43] <zeeshan|2> he wants me to rent a 15000lb fork lift
[16:01:47] <zeeshan|2> and he'll discount his rate
[16:01:50] <Deejay> ganzuul, flying by using gcode-files? :D
[16:02:01] <XXCoder> why does guy bring forklift weaker than one that loaded the truck
[16:02:09] <zeeshan|2> rob_h: what do you think?
[16:02:16] <Sync> zeeshan|2: go for it
[16:02:19] <fenn> zeeshan|2: you're lifting it from the wrong side so it's not surprising that it wants to tip
[16:02:20] <Sync> or remove shits
[16:02:44] <rob_h> prob be even if he did lift it, controling it off the truck would be tricky
[16:02:52] <Sync> yep
[16:02:55] <Sync> better be safe
[16:03:11] <zeeshan|2> ths is going to be interesting
[16:03:14] <zeeshan|2> fitting in a 2 car garage.
[16:03:14] <zeeshan|2> :P
[16:03:20] <rob_h> must be a old machine
[16:03:24] <rob_h> when they built them well lol
[16:03:27] <Sync> better spend a few dollars instead of having everything go to shit
[16:03:28] <zeeshan|2> yea 1984
[16:03:35] <rob_h> now days well not much casting at all
[16:03:48] <zeeshan|2> im not sure
[16:03:51] <zeeshan|2> what this hydraulic power pack
[16:03:53] <zeeshan|2> on the very right is
[16:03:56] <zeeshan|2> i thought it was built into the machine
[16:04:03] <zeeshan|2> the thing below the enclosure w/ the fans
[16:04:18] <zeeshan|2> the conveyor i knew about
[16:04:28] <ganzuul> Deejay: Apparently RC motors and drives are very powerful, for their weight. Just not very controllable.
[16:04:33] <rob_h> hydrolics on machine under cabnets by the looks
[16:04:37] <zeeshan|2> yes
[16:04:38] <rob_h> its not coolant system is it
[16:04:43] <zeeshan|2> oh youre right
[16:04:45] <rob_h> on end of trailer u talk abotu
[16:04:45] <zeeshan|2> it could be coolant
[16:04:47] <zeeshan|2> under the cabinet.
[16:04:49] <rob_h> filters and stuff
[16:04:49] <zeeshan|2> oh
[16:04:55] <zeeshan|2> that would make sense too
[16:04:59] <zeeshan|2> cause the reservoir is bigger
[16:05:03] <zeeshan|2> okay i should just scrap that
[16:05:06] <zeeshan|2> rather than trying to keep it here
[16:05:23] <rob_h> depends how that machine stores it coolant
[16:05:29] <rob_h> whats in the bed of the machine etc
[16:05:31] <Sync> yeah, I'd keep it
[16:05:36] <furrywolf> ... why the heck would you scrap the coolant system?
[16:05:42] <zeeshan|2> :P
[16:05:45] <zeeshan|2> get a more compact one
[16:05:48] <rob_h> some use it to have a bigger store out side machine, filter all chips out for turret feed
[16:06:09] <rob_h> etc etc.. like our matsura it has micron filters for coolant to keep chips out of the machine lines
[16:06:49] <rob_h> the convayer is a pain in ass we find in machines.. as everything gets stuck in them and under them all chips etc
[16:07:28] <rob_h> looks like you just need to find a barfeed for the machine then looks like a nice project any pics of the bussness end
[16:07:48] <furrywolf> bbl, errands
[16:08:05] <Sync> bar feed ftw
[16:08:15] <furrywolf> and, as I said, if his forklift is tipping, pile heavy stuff on the back of it. :P
[16:08:48] <Sync> that is not osha compliant
[16:09:05] <furrywolf> i.e. use your engine hoist to lift a ton or two of scrap metal onto it...
[16:09:07] <furrywolf> bbl
[16:09:13] <rob_h> next time get a lorrie with a crain on it then ;)
[16:09:32] <rob_h> crane
[16:11:18] <Deejay> gn8
[16:35:06] <zeeshan|2> rob_h:
[16:36:13] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/w4VTf
[16:37:23] <ganzuul> http://ryara.net/putty-url/
[16:37:25] <ganzuul> :DD
[16:38:58] <rob_h> nice, fanuc 6 is it
[16:40:49] <rob_h> aah that coolant bit is not ment to be some kinda oil skimmer is it?
[16:45:31] <malcom2073> Back, guy offered me $750 for my lathe
[16:46:24] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Nice! Congrats on getting it in
[16:46:34] <fenn> not yet
[16:46:44] <fenn> still on the truck
[16:46:54] <malcom2073> Oh
[16:46:58] <malcom2073> the pictures are pre-pictures haha
[17:08:45] <bobo> zeeshan|2: I vote for temporary keeping as much of the lathe as possible. allowing you to at least look for parts on assemblys that could be used
[17:09:43] <bobo> such as valves limit switches etc
[17:13:12] <bobo> zeeshan|2 anyway thanks for letting me know I am not the only one in this world having a black cloud over me
[17:22:00] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 dude.... you're screwed!
[17:22:20] <Tom_itx> just let it tip.. it'll reach the ground sooner
[17:22:56] <C-P_Away> Got some of my walmart clerance items today
http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Sumtor-elec-microstep-driver-MB450A-AKA-M542.jpg
[17:23:25] <Tom_itx> which one was that?
[17:23:31] <Tom_itx> the smaller stepper controller?
[17:23:49] <bobo> zeeshan|2 could the rigger have a place to temp put the lathe an allow you to sort out the parts net needed ? tell him he can have all the stuff you do not need for scrap
[17:24:13] <Contract_Pilot> The 50v driver MB450A on the inside it says M542 V2.0 possible Leadshine?
[17:25:01] <Contract_Pilot> Looks well Constructed.
[17:29:00] <Contract_Pilot> I only Orderd the 4.2A drivers.
[17:30:09] <malcom2073> Contract_Pilot: Could be a chinese clone of leadshine
[17:30:29] <malcom2073> Not a DM though, but unless you're going high speed it shouldn't matter
[17:34:16] <Contract_Pilot> Yep, need to find a photo of a real one
[17:59:18] <os1r1s> pcw_home: Still around?
[18:08:06] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: just work out a way to cast cast iron, and use the old lathe to make new machines.
[18:31:56] <robinsz> the question is of course ... who made the first lathe? and how?
[18:43:55] <malcom2073> You can make more accurate machines with less accurate machines
[18:47:04] <Tom_itx> http://www.dmsdesignco.com/web_images/antique_metal_spinning_lathe.jpg
[19:04:24] <Contract_Pilot> the 8.00 12V 10A PSU dont look bad either
[19:04:32] <zeeshan|2> bobo
[19:04:33] <zeeshan|2> i love you
[19:04:40] <zeeshan|2> that my friend is an excellent idea.
[19:04:56] <ganzuul> potter's wheel
[19:05:10] <Contract_Pilot> Cheap chengx caps that are guarenteed to fail but will replace them with good caps first thing.
[19:05:40] <PetefromTn_> what is?
[19:05:51] <zeeshan|2> pete i got fucked today
[19:05:59] <zeeshan|2> the guys forklift couldnt handle the weight
[19:06:02] <PetefromTn_> again?
[19:06:14] <zeeshan|2> bobo suggested this:
[19:06:14] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[19:06:14] <zeeshan|2> zeeshan|2 could the rigger have a place to temp put the lathe an allow you to sort out the parts net needed ? tell him he can have all the stuff you do not need for scrap
[19:06:53] <PetefromTn_> parts net?
[19:07:58] <PetefromTn_> did it not fit in your door?
[19:08:01] <zeeshan|2> no man
[19:08:05] <zeeshan|2> they couldnt get it off the truck
[19:08:07] <zeeshan|2> its on the truck still
[19:08:11] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[19:08:17] <zeeshan|2> and also i dont think its gonna clear my garage door
[19:08:20] <PetefromTn_> can you tarp it or something?
[19:08:22] <zeeshan|2> i need to diassemble some things to make it fit
[19:08:25] <zeeshan|2> yea they tarped it
[19:08:30] <PetefromTn_> ok
[19:08:34] <PetefromTn_> no biggie
[19:08:39] <zeeshan|2> lemme show you the prob man
[19:08:46] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/HcdEYma.jpg
[19:08:49] <zeeshan|2> you see that over arm?
[19:08:53] <PetefromTn_> the problem is you overestimated your garage door LOL
[19:09:01] <zeeshan|2> it adds 6"
[19:09:05] <zeeshan|2> for no damn good reason
[19:09:11] <jdh> that's a pretty massive machine
[19:09:14] <Sync> get the zip wheel out
[19:09:17] <zeeshan|2> completely useless pos that could be replaced by a hand held
[19:09:20] <PetefromTn_> rip that bitch out of there ;)
[19:09:24] <zeeshan|2> im thinking of ripping out out
[19:09:27] <zeeshan|2> and also this:
[19:09:29] <malcom2073> Sold my southbend, woot!
[19:09:38] <Wolf_Mill> yay malcom2073
[19:09:44] <PetefromTn_> jdh I agree that is indeed a pretty massive machine LOL
[19:09:44] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/HcdEYma.jpg
[19:09:47] <zeeshan|2> look at my shoe size
[19:09:49] <zeeshan|2> relative to that motor
[19:09:52] <zeeshan|2> im not running a 20 hp motor
[19:09:58] <malcom2073> $850, and I gotta deliver it, 4 miles from my house :-D
[19:10:04] <PetefromTn_> same picture
[19:10:10] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/NnRMiAd.jpg
[19:10:11] <zeeshan|2> sorry
[19:10:23] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: You get it unloaded?
[19:10:24] <zeeshan|2> then i was thinking of taking off all the electronic cabinets
[19:10:25] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/cbTjU5A.jpg I like it already... neeed moar parts
[19:10:27] <PetefromTn_> that's a huge bitch!
[19:10:41] <Sync> can't get 250kg off it so the forklift will manage it?
[19:11:23] <PetefromTn_> you definitely have your work cutout for you.
[19:11:34] <PetefromTn_> I am anxious to see how you get along with that monster
[19:11:49] <zeeshan|2> i just need it to fit the garage man
[19:11:51] <jdh> I want to see your house lights when you spin it up
[19:11:59] <PetefromTn_> if you can figure out a way to make it run on single phase like my cinci it will give me hope for a future turning center for me LOL
[19:12:02] <zeeshan|2> please help
[19:12:08] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/zTy3sox.jpg
[19:12:09] <zeeshan|2> that over arm
[19:12:10] <PetefromTn_> how?
[19:12:11] <zeeshan|2> needs to go
[19:12:15] <zeeshan|2> i REALLY want your opinions
[19:12:18] <zeeshan|2> what the hell that top cover is for
[19:12:23] <zeeshan|2> to me it looks like its just a retarded cover
[19:12:24] <zeeshan|2> for this over arm
[19:12:27] <zeeshan|2> and has wires running under it
[19:12:29] <Sync> probably
[19:12:43] <PetefromTn_> I am sure it is just a wire chase
[19:12:55] <zeeshan|2> okay thank you
[19:12:57] <zeeshan|2> that makes me feel better
[19:13:04] <zeeshan|2> and can someone tell me
[19:13:04] <PetefromTn_> I would just carefully remove the wiring and then remove the housing.
[19:13:07] <zeeshan|2> WTF this thing is?
[19:13:10] <Sync> zeeshan|2: just build a carport in your driveway?
[19:13:10] <zeeshan|2> i didnt even know it was part of the machine
[19:13:12] <jdh> what's the red cylinder thing?
[19:13:14] <PetefromTn_> If you climb up there take some pics..
[19:13:15] <zeeshan|2> people are saying its a coolant pump
[19:13:21] <Sync> and have it stand outside :P
[19:13:23] <zeeshan|2> bottom left
[19:13:25] <zeeshan|2> red cylinder thing
[19:13:28] <zeeshan|2> WTF is that?
[19:13:38] <zeeshan|2> some hardcore coolant pump?
[19:13:41] <zeeshan|2> the red thing has a filter?
[19:13:44] <PetefromTn_> pic?
[19:13:45] <zeeshan|2> (ive seen that in machines before)
[19:13:50] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/zTy3sox.jpg
[19:13:51] <zeeshan|2> bottom left
[19:13:56] <jdh> yeah, looks filter like
[19:14:24] <Sync> oh btw zeeshan|2 got muh deutsch autosport connectors
[19:14:27] <Sync> they are lovely
[19:14:37] <jdh> you need to rent some space with 3-phase
[19:14:41] <PetefromTn_> no clue but it does look like some sort of filter housing
[19:14:56] <zeeshan|2> Sync: fancy
[19:14:59] <PetefromTn_> does it go alongside the machine or does it stay where it is in the picture>
[19:15:09] <zeeshan|2> it just sits around the machine
[19:15:12] <zeeshan|2> pete here you can see:
[19:15:21] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/YGGydhv.jpg
[19:15:35] <jdh> geez
[19:15:44] <zeeshan|2> all that shit on the right
[19:15:45] <zeeshan|2> i dont need
[19:15:50] <zeeshan|2> i can put a smaller coolant pump
[19:15:54] <zeeshan|2> i dont need this high pressure stuff
[19:15:59] <zeeshan|2> it'd be nice
[19:16:01] <zeeshan|2> but i dont have the space
[19:16:09] <Sync> put it outside
[19:16:13] <PetefromTn_> does it have thru tool coolant?
[19:16:18] <zeeshan|2> yea pete
[19:16:26] <PetefromTn_> you might want that then...
[19:16:34] <zeeshan|2> ill have to live without it man
[19:16:37] <zeeshan|2> i dont got the room
[19:16:38] <PetefromTn_> I am sure you can find some way to minimize it all
[19:16:44] <zeeshan|2> maybe i can buy a more compact unit later ?
[19:16:54] <PetefromTn_> I would not throw away shit until I figure out what you have there
[19:17:11] <zeeshan|2> maybe these guys can store it for me
[19:17:12] <PetefromTn_> then decide what you do and do not need
[19:17:26] <zeeshan|2> he just msged me saying i can disassemble the machine there
[19:17:30] <PetefromTn_> roll that Mazda outside and put a nice cover on it temporarily..
[19:17:33] <zeeshan|2> and they'd like to deliver by friday
[19:18:06] <PetefromTn_> was it a tag along forklift?
[19:18:14] <zeeshan|2> it was a 12,500 lb fork lift
[19:18:18] <zeeshan|2> it was getting tipsy
[19:18:20] <zeeshan|2> they got scared and stopped
[19:18:26] <PetefromTn_> you're kidding me
[19:18:38] <PetefromTn_> how much does that bitch weigh?
[19:19:30] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: the manual says 10500lb
[19:19:32] <PetefromTn_> gotta be honest man that chuck looks huge in the pictures.. gonna take some serious horsepower to spin that thing up.
[19:19:33] <zeeshan|2> but thats w/ everything
[19:19:53] <PetefromTn_> that is not to bad why did the fork tip then?
[19:19:55] <zeeshan|2> the school laths have a bigger chuck
[19:20:01] <zeeshan|2> and they are 7.5hp
[19:20:08] <zeeshan|2> thats why i think i can get away with 7.5 to 10hp
[19:20:09] <zeeshan|2> no prob
[19:20:13] <PetefromTn_> what size chuck is it?
[19:20:21] <bobo> zeeshan red thing might be a very small partical filter to keep the thru tooling coolant system from pluging up
[19:21:03] <zeeshan|2> i'd say 12"?
[19:21:07] <PetefromTn_> I hope you can get it powered with the 10hp and it works good for you because that is about all I could run here...would be awesome.
[19:21:16] <zeeshan|2> i hope so too pete
[19:21:18] <zeeshan|2> i think itll work
[19:21:22] <zeeshan|2> i can spin that chuck by hand btw
[19:21:22] <PetefromTn_> might have to regear the pullies
[19:21:28] <zeeshan|2> it was very easy to spin
[19:21:34] <zeeshan|2> when i went to see it
[19:21:38] <PetefromTn_> thats good
[19:21:56] <zeeshan|2> do youi think my plan is okay?
[19:22:00] <zeeshan|2> leave the coolant crap there
[19:22:05] <zeeshan|2> conveyor there (Definitely throwing this away)
[19:22:14] <PetefromTn_> worst case you sacrifice some speed for torque and regear the pullies to make it work
[19:22:15] <zeeshan|2> then remove that stupid over arm
[19:22:23] <zeeshan|2> ill keep the handle
[19:22:25] <zeeshan|2> but get rid of the arm
[19:22:31] <zeeshan|2> handle = controls i mean
[19:22:39] <zeeshan|2> remove the motor, chuck it
[19:22:39] <PetefromTn_> doubt you will need it.
[19:22:51] <PetefromTn_> I would try to sell a lot of that shit
[19:23:12] <PetefromTn_> you would be surprised at how much you can get for some of that used parts.
[19:23:31] <zeeshan|2> yea man, but i got no space :(
[19:23:33] <PetefromTn_> the chip conveyor can usually be used on other machines so it is worth a little bit of cash if it works
[19:23:44] <zeeshan|2> like say i bring the motor here
[19:23:46] <PetefromTn_> rent a little storage building temporarily
[19:23:50] <zeeshan|2> it weighs around 400lb
[19:23:59] <zeeshan|2> i can move it with the engine hoist
[19:24:02] <zeeshan|2> but who will come and by that?
[19:24:12] <bobo> over arm might be removed to get lathe in garage and then put back on
[19:24:14] <zeeshan|2> buy
[19:24:18] <PetefromTn_> slap it on ebay
[19:24:22] <zeeshan|2> bobo i dont want to keep that overarm
[19:24:25] <zeeshan|2> i hate that style overarm
[19:24:26] <zeeshan|2> its pointless
[19:24:35] <zeeshan|2> it was pointful when they dont have a pendant
[19:24:39] <zeeshan|2> i removed it from the mikron too
[19:24:47] <PetefromTn_> your pendant will be more than enough and you can add one of those nicer chinese pendants off of it.
[19:24:55] <zeeshan|2> yea man
[19:25:01] <BitEvil> zeeshan|2: how much?
[19:25:01] <zeeshan|2> it's like 1/15 the weight
[19:25:10] <zeeshan|2> and so much more compact
[19:25:14] <zeeshan|2> BitEvil: for what?
[19:25:16] <zeeshan|2> the lathe?
[19:25:20] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[19:25:21] <zeeshan|2> or you wanna buy the motor? :D
[19:25:26] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[19:25:27] <zeeshan|2> hjaha
[19:25:31] <SpeedEvil> No, I wasn't meaning to buy anything
[19:25:34] <zeeshan|2> it was 4000
[19:25:38] <SpeedEvil> jesus.
[19:25:41] <SpeedEvil> That's insane.
[19:25:45] <Jymmm> Something actually useful (unlike glorified hot glue guns)... Water Transfer Printing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdLObCu2JP0
[19:25:59] <Sync> huh?
[19:26:01] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: It's actually got a useful selection of core bits?
[19:26:05] <Sync> 4000 is pretty good
[19:26:08] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: 3/4 jaw chuck?
[19:26:13] <SpeedEvil> Sync: insane as in good
[19:26:21] <Sync> ah
[19:26:26] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: 3 and 4 jaw chuck are aftermarket addons
[19:26:31] <zeeshan|2> these type come w/ a hydraulic chuck
[19:26:45] <SpeedEvil> I don't know what that is.
[19:26:46] <Sync> zeeshan|2: you can store the motor and stuff in your mitsu
[19:26:51] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: you press a foot pedal
[19:26:53] <zeeshan|2> and the jaws open
[19:26:59] <zeeshan|2> Sync: hahahahahahah
[19:27:02] <zeeshan|2> poor mitsu is gone
[19:27:05] <zeeshan|2> i got $180 for it in scrap
[19:27:21] <zeeshan|2> i miss it, my first car
[19:27:22] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: how do you handle centring?
[19:27:34] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: you machine soft jaws everytime you wanna machine something
[19:27:42] <SpeedEvil> ah
[19:27:52] <zeeshan|2> (kind of annoying)
[19:28:01] <Jymmm> softjaws.com
[19:28:03] <SpeedEvil> It's designed for what - bar stock?
[19:28:13] <Wolf_Mill> or run parts in one shot
[19:28:22] <zeeshan|2> less questions
[19:28:24] <zeeshan|2> more action plz
[19:28:27] <zeeshan|2> what to remove from machine?
[19:28:29] <zeeshan|2> control cabinets?
[19:28:35] <zeeshan|2> those im not scrapping though
[19:28:41] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Everything you can
[19:28:58] * Jymmm slaps the shit out of zeeshan|2 (per his request for more action)
[19:29:00] <bobo> zeeshan what type of spindle motor does your lathe now have , servo type or D.C. or A.C. type ?
[19:29:03] <zeeshan|2> the control cabinets prolly weigh around 500lb?
[19:29:10] <zeeshan|2> boboss_: ac induction
[19:29:20] <Sync> rip the motor off
[19:29:23] <Sync> the housing
[19:29:26] <Sync> chuck
[19:29:28] <Sync> turret
[19:29:36] <zeeshan|2> the turret will be too hard
[19:29:39] <zeeshan|2> but that prolly weighs 1000lb
[19:29:40] <Sync> wat
[19:29:47] <SpeedEvil> sand off all the paint.
[19:29:50] <zeeshan|2> lol
[19:29:55] <Sync> drill speed holes
[19:29:58] <SpeedEvil> Drain the coolant.
[19:30:14] <Jymmm> more hole == more speed
[19:30:15] <zeeshan|2> chuck prolly weighs 80lb
[19:30:16] <zeeshan|2> not worth it
[19:31:00] <Sync> every gram counts
[19:31:27] <malcom2073> Sync: Only if the cops catch you
[19:31:59] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: Did you actually need a lathe this big, or did you suffer an event?
[19:32:13] <Sync> it was cheap
[19:32:19] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:32:21] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: i need it
[19:32:30] <zeeshan|2> a get a lot of lathe jobs that i cant do
[19:32:40] <zeeshan|2> but will be able to do with this machine
[19:32:41] <SpeedEvil> Great then.
[19:32:43] <zeeshan|2> ill give you an example
[19:32:45] <PetefromTn_> I hear that
[19:32:50] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Go rent a fork lift
[19:32:52] <zeeshan|2> there were these fittings that a guy wanted 600 for
[19:32:54] <PetefromTn_> I have a BUNCH of lathe work I can do here
[19:32:55] <malcom2073> they're like... $500 a day
[19:33:08] <zeeshan|2> he was willing to pay $11.50 per piece
[19:33:08] <SpeedEvil> Do you have a power source that can run teh motor?
[19:33:13] <Sync> malcom2073: he did
[19:33:19] <zeeshan|2> it made no sense to do that on my old lathe
[19:33:23] <malcom2073> Haha, I meant a proper sized one
[19:33:25] <zeeshan|2> but with this machine i can put a bar puller on the tool holder
[19:33:28] <zeeshan|2> and put a long bar
[19:33:34] <zeeshan|2> and walk away from the machine .
[19:33:43] <SpeedEvil> Bar feeders are cool
[19:33:46] <bobo> it is the perfect size lathe for a start up operation
[19:33:48] <zeeshan|2> its not a bar feether
[19:33:51] <zeeshan|2> feeder
[19:33:53] <zeeshan|2> its a bar puller
[19:34:03] <zeeshan|2> bar feeders are really a waste of floor space
[19:34:03] * SpeedEvil doesn't understand the difference.
[19:34:07] <zeeshan|2> one feeds
[19:34:09] <zeeshan|2> the other pulls
[19:34:21] <zeeshan|2> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRz5NOxlj9LoMcRWzHBAjejQWU1VCLb8gigD6bTHYE9Rzlxxc9K
[19:34:22] <zeeshan|2> bar feeder..
[19:34:31] <malcom2073> I've seen people using a cutoff tool to pull stock
[19:34:33] <SpeedEvil> Oh - the bar feeder is more than simply a steady-rest
[19:34:33] <malcom2073> that was kinda cool
[19:34:36] <zeeshan|2> http://www.thame-eng.com/graphics/workholding-accessories/powerpull-bar-puller.jpg
[19:34:37] <zeeshan|2> bar puller
[19:34:45] <zeeshan|2> http://www.royalproducts.com/img/category/upload/bar_pullers1.jpg
[19:35:48] <PetefromTn_> those are SWEET
[19:35:54] <PetefromTn_> can't wait to be able to use one LOL
[19:35:55] <SpeedEvil> you need a steady-rest or something behind it or do you just mean for short bar?
[19:35:58] <Sync> zeeshan|2: not if you have thin stock that will have the death wobble
[19:36:12] <bobo> but a bar feeder can store many bars for thost 3 day part runs
[19:36:32] <PetefromTn_> gotta go to the store BB in a bit...
[19:36:33] <Sync> yeah and if you have a magazine loader you can run it for along time
[19:36:42] <SpeedEvil> How do you get rid of the chips?
[19:36:53] <SpeedEvil> Are there large chip compactors or something?
[19:37:10] <zeeshan|2> yea pete!
[19:38:31] <Sync> huh SpeedEvil
[19:38:36] <Sync> there is a chip conveyor
[19:39:04] <jdh> chip conveyor to the furnace
[19:39:26] <bobo> soon to be was a chip conveyor
[19:42:15] * SpeedEvil imagines a teeny chip compressor and bar extruder.
[19:43:32] <zeeshan|2> =-]
[19:44:03] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: So why aren't you outside stripping parts?
[19:44:06] <malcom2073> Getting dark isn't it?
[19:54:49] <bobo> zeeshan-mill when you get a different house , hope you don't go for the typical housing development type
[19:54:51] <PetefromTn_> okay back with candy LOL
[19:57:41] <bobo> Pete I have the pop corn all ready for the lathe house raising live TV feed. bumer
[19:58:16] <PetefromTn_> yup
[19:59:29] <PetefromTn_> i forsee a lot of live streaming cussing and spitting ahead in our young zeeshan's future LOL
[20:01:00] <bobo> hope there are steel tiped shoes also
[20:01:16] <malcom2073> Ohhh is he streaming the unloading? :-D
[20:01:37] <zeeshan-mill> lol bobo
[20:01:40] <zeeshan-mill> itll be rural
[20:01:46] <zeeshan-mill> and bobo hahaha
[20:01:51] <zeeshan-mill> i got steel toes on :)
[20:01:55] <zeeshan-mill> i learned my lesson
[20:02:29] <Sync> don't drop the block
[20:02:54] <zeeshan-mill> hush you safety nazis
[20:02:55] <zeeshan-mill> !
[20:03:09] <malcom2073> don't block the box
[20:03:10] <zeeshan-mill> PetefromTn_, what kind of candy did you get me
[20:06:26] <Sync> mystery jelly beans
[20:06:39] <PetefromTn_> I got some skittles, some starburst, and some milk duds at the local dollar store for the kids. Also got some strawberry shortcake ice cream bars...
[20:06:52] <PetefromTn_> which do you wanna try first I will throw you some LOL
[20:09:22] <bobo> no blue M&M's ?
[20:09:53] <PetefromTn_> I like peanut M&M's
[20:10:05] <Valen> zeeshan-mill: your foot ok?
[20:14:56] <zeeshan-mill> yes
[20:15:01] <zeeshan-mill> i can walk on it
[20:15:01] <zeeshan-mill> :D
[20:15:09] <furrywolf> get your lathe in?
[20:40:50] <PetefromTn_> so what I run out for a minute and get some candy and the conversation dies??!! ;)
[20:47:30] <malcom2073> Yep
[20:47:31] <malcom2073> way to go Pete
[20:47:45] <PetefromTn_> heh It's all my fault..
[20:58:21] <furrywolf> so, in front of me I have a 1A fuse and holder, a 5A fuse and holder, a 100 ohm 10 watt resistor, a 51 ohm 1/4 watt resistor, two LEDs, 8 1n4004s, two 1683 lamps with holders, and a square of perfboard. any guesses what I'm building? :P
[20:59:15] <zeeshan|2> something dirty
[20:59:24] <furrywolf> no :P
[20:59:47] <Praesmeodymium> 2 dirty bridge rectifiers for some dc lights?
[20:59:55] <furrywolf> nope
[21:00:10] <zeeshan|2> im suprised youre not building something dirty
[21:00:14] <zeeshan|2> i thought it was some XXX light
[21:01:04] <furrywolf> the world's laziest/worst supercap bank charger. it charges through the light bulbs, with the LEDs indicating when there's a >Vf voltage difference, and the diodes to make a half-assed 2.8V double zener to clamp the voltage to the led current resistor. :)
[21:03:57] <furrywolf> I decided one Vf is the limit to how far the voltage can differ and still be OK to turn on the big switch. :P
[21:04:09] <furrywolf> I was originally planning a fancy comparator circuit... but I'm lazy.
[21:07:16] <furrywolf> also, the electronics store was out of red and yellow LEDs... but they did have pink and turquois! :P
[21:12:16] <furrywolf> sadly, even though I bought those two colors, I then went to radioshack to get the low-Vf red and yellow that I wanted.
[21:16:52] <Tom_itx> zeeshan-mill, what size chuck is it?
[21:17:13] <furrywolf> zeeshan|2: get your lathe installed?
[21:17:34] <PetefromTn_> damn these milk duds are good...;)
[21:17:45] <Tom_itx> one of my favorites
[21:18:01] <furrywolf> aren't you supposed to wait until AFTER halloween to eat all the kid's candy? :P
[21:18:17] <PetefromTn_> oh this isn't Halloween candy
[21:18:25] <PetefromTn_> this is just plain old candy candy
[21:18:55] <PetefromTn_> candy just for the sake of rottin your teeth out kinda candy :D
[21:19:13] <furrywolf> lol
[21:19:15] <Tom_itx> what's all that crap in front of the control on his lathe?
[21:19:30] <Tom_itx> the red thing is a chip trap i bet
[21:19:30] <furrywolf> I like pie, cheesecake, and some cookies... not a big candy fan.
[21:20:04] <Tom_itx> he better keep part of that conveyor
[21:21:41] <PetefromTn_> well there is no cheesecake so
[21:26:38] <zeeshan-mill> tom 12
[21:26:39] <zeeshan-mill> i think
[21:26:42] <zeeshan-mill> furry no
[21:26:46] <zeeshan-mill> pete gimme some candy!
[21:26:58] <Tom_itx> zeeshan-mill, you better keep that chip conveyor
[21:27:03] <zeeshan-mill> why
[21:27:05] <PetefromTn_> here's some candy for ya
[21:27:06] <zeeshan-mill> its useless for me
[21:27:08] <Tom_itx> you'll be sorry if you don't
[21:27:20] <Tom_itx> one thing, it leaves a hole in the bottom
[21:27:21] <zeeshan-mill> itll collect in a bucket
[21:27:27] <zeeshan-mill> thats ok
[21:27:29] <PetefromTn_> telll me how you guys would machine this part on a 3 axis VMC....
[21:27:30] <zeeshan-mill> let em fall on the floor
[21:27:31] <zeeshan-mill> :P
[21:27:39] <Tom_itx> another, chips collect quicker than you think
[21:27:45] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/sKwTpGa
[21:27:59] <Tom_itx> zeeshan-mill, along with all the coolant too
[21:28:01] <zeeshan-mill> tom no room
[21:28:12] <Tom_itx> who was the planner in this project?
[21:28:29] <zeeshan-mill> i never wanted to keep the chip conveyor
[21:28:30] <zeeshan-mill> from day 1
[21:28:32] <Tom_itx> make teh room bigger
[21:28:55] <zeeshan-mill> Tom_itx, in 2 years u will see!
[21:29:01] <zeeshan-mill> give me a chance till then :-)
[21:29:04] <Tom_itx> better not be that long
[21:29:30] <Tom_itx> i've run 8 spindle lathes.. they pump out the chips by the ton
[21:29:39] <zeeshan-mill> pete
[21:29:45] <zeeshan-mill> easy peezee!!
[21:29:52] <zeeshan-mill> lots of slotting!!
[21:29:53] <zeeshan-mill> :P
[21:29:54] <PetefromTn_> okay lets hear it
[21:30:04] <zeeshan-mill> rememer when i did the ls1 flange
[21:30:12] <PetefromTn_> I mean I have a plan here but I want to hear how you guys would do it
[21:30:13] <zeeshan-mill> i machined a negative of it out of aluminum
[21:30:33] <PetefromTn_> keep in mind I gotta face off BOTH sides and machine from BOTH sides
[21:30:39] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, drill the holes then profile it after bolting it down
[21:30:49] <Tom_itx> done deal
[21:31:09] <Tom_itx> that's exactly how i'd do it
[21:31:22] <PetefromTn_> how do you plan to surface both sides that way?
[21:31:38] <Tom_itx> surface as a pre op
[21:31:46] <Tom_itx> like we usually did
[21:32:02] <zeeshan-mill> symmetric flange
[21:32:02] <PetefromTn_> how?
[21:32:06] <zeeshan-mill> you can bolt it both ways
[21:32:11] <Tom_itx> hold it in some step jaws
[21:32:25] <PetefromTn_> this is my plan
[21:32:44] <PetefromTn_> I am going to cut off the parts from bar stock to just over length
[21:33:30] <PetefromTn_> put the part in soft step jaws and face off top
[21:33:40] <PetefromTn_> drill and bore all the holes pockets
[21:33:51] <PetefromTn_> flip it over and face off the other side
[21:34:07] <PetefromTn_> then bolt it to a substrate plate to cut out the perimeter
[21:34:25] <PetefromTn_> but its too many steps
[21:34:40] <PetefromTn_> that is why I was going to ask you guys if you had a better way
[21:34:41] <Tom_itx> pre face it to thickness
[21:35:18] <Tom_itx> 1) drill the holes holding with strap clamps 2)bolt the holes and pocket & profile
[21:35:20] <Tom_itx> done
[21:35:23] <PetefromTn_> keep in mind that picture is just someone else's version ours is quite a bit different but the same procedures
[21:35:40] <PetefromTn_> not done that only does ONE side
[21:36:10] <Tom_itx> so flip it midstream and mill it some more
[21:36:13] <PetefromTn_> still gotta machine and surface the other side
[21:36:24] <Tom_itx> you got 4 ops no matter what
[21:36:36] <Tom_itx> waterjet
[21:36:40] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[21:36:43] <Tom_itx> then face 2 sides
[21:36:49] <Tom_itx> there's 3
[21:36:52] <Tom_itx> beat that
[21:37:09] <PetefromTn_> mine is 3 steps
[21:37:39] <PetefromTn_> first op first side in step jaws, face off, drill and pocket/engrave etc....
[21:37:42] <Tom_itx> you may want shoulder bolts
[21:38:15] <PetefromTn_> second op flip over and surface other side and machine pockets
[21:38:28] <PetefromTn_> third op bolt plate down to substrate and profile machine
[21:38:35] <Tom_itx> my way it's tied down during the whole profile pocket ops
[21:38:39] <Tom_itx> no movement
[21:38:51] <Tom_itx> you may want shoulder bolts
[21:38:53] <PetefromTn_> mine too
[21:39:01] <Tom_itx> no
[21:39:06] <Tom_itx> you profile separately
[21:39:10] <Tom_itx> from the pockets
[21:39:36] <PetefromTn_> the outside edge precision is not super critical
[21:39:52] <Tom_itx> mill away then
[21:39:54] <PetefromTn_> but the location of the holes and pockets sort of is... not really
[21:40:14] <PetefromTn_> but even if it was this procedure does not compromise that
[21:40:40] <PetefromTn_> but I am open to better suggestions
[21:40:45] <Tom_itx> we usually tried to use dowel pins whenever we could
[21:40:59] <Tom_itx> but if not, shoulder bolts
[21:41:14] <Tom_itx> unless the part was drawn from mylar prints
[21:41:24] <Tom_itx> which allow +-.030 right off the bat
[21:41:40] <PetefromTn_> the only other way I can see it working in two steps is...
[21:41:51] <Tom_itx> i did quite a few mylar with a digitizer
[21:41:54] <PetefromTn_> take your substrate plate
[21:42:08] <PetefromTn_> clamp the material down at the four corners
[21:42:24] <PetefromTn_> face off the part AROUND those clamps
[21:42:30] <PetefromTn_> or rather inside of them
[21:42:40] <PetefromTn_> drill, pocket, engrave
[21:42:42] <Tom_itx> face one side before you do that
[21:42:51] <Tom_itx> then you're done
[21:42:54] <PetefromTn_> bolt part down
[21:43:00] <PetefromTn_> then remove clamps
[21:43:03] <PetefromTn_> profile
[21:43:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah surface other side first
[21:43:16] <PetefromTn_> two steps!!
[21:43:16] <Tom_itx> that's basically what i said
[21:43:25] <Tom_itx> except i cleaned both sides
[21:43:39] <PetefromTn_> deck both sides in stepped jaws...
[21:43:42] <Tom_itx> clean one side then do what i said... 2 ops with an OP stop inbetween
[21:43:57] <Tom_itx> to move clamps
[21:44:22] <PetefromTn_> yup
[21:44:23] <Tom_itx> blow the threads out and bolt it down
[21:44:25] <PetefromTn_> should work
[21:44:33] <Tom_itx> we did that all the time
[21:44:42] <Tom_itx> but we tried to use dowel pins if possible
[21:44:46] <PetefromTn_> there are no threads except in the substrate plate
[21:44:49] <Tom_itx> even if they got cut off
[21:44:57] <Tom_itx> it locates the part better
[21:45:07] <PetefromTn_> dowel pins are not necessary if the part never moves
[21:45:12] <Tom_itx> add a dowelpin hole on the corner cutoff
[21:45:19] <Tom_itx> true
[21:45:55] <PetefromTn_> another thing I could do is leave tabs in the part off profile chunks to keep it together until the end of the program
[21:46:35] <PetefromTn_> gonna suck cutting all that steel around the profile tho
[21:46:42] <PetefromTn_> probably gonna wear out some cutters
[21:46:52] <PetefromTn_> gotta make a bakers dozen
[21:47:55] <Tom_itx> don't cut it all away..
[21:48:12] <Tom_itx> use a .375 cutter to profile
[21:48:13] <PetefromTn_> leave a thin film
[21:48:20] <PetefromTn_> was planning on that
[21:48:26] <PetefromTn_> .375
[21:48:51] <PetefromTn_> do you think a trochoidal toolpath full depth would be better or too slow
[21:48:53] <Tom_itx> you worried about the hole slugs, leave .003 and pop them out
[21:49:34] <PetefromTn_> can't gotta machine away the slugs probably due to a 3d profile I gotta cut there...
[21:49:36] <Tom_itx> how thick is it?
[21:49:40] <PetefromTn_> .5
[21:49:53] <Tom_itx> probably 2 passes
[21:50:02] <Tom_itx> depends on the machine
[21:50:16] <Wolf_> ghetto rig pressure washer + sand blaster to attempt to make water jet attachment for the mill IMO :P
[21:50:21] <Tom_itx> try not to go deeper than the cutter width
[21:50:29] <Tom_itx> on a pass
[21:51:28] <Tom_itx> 3d profile in an exhaust flange??
[21:51:40] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately
[21:51:50] <PetefromTn_> there is a longish taper on the holes in the center
[21:52:04] <PetefromTn_> unless I can find a suitable champfer mill that will cut it
[21:52:15] <Tom_itx> what angle?
[21:52:23] <Tom_itx> i have a 7deg cutter
[21:52:33] <PetefromTn_> dunno yet gotta cad it out LOL
[21:52:42] <PetefromTn_> its more than 45 tho
[21:52:43] <Tom_itx> wtf for?
[21:52:48] <Tom_itx> on the holes?
[21:53:06] <PetefromTn_> hey man I didn't design it LOL
[21:53:10] <PetefromTn_> just machining it
[21:53:27] <Tom_itx> cut em out then chamfer
[21:53:28] <PetefromTn_> supposed to smooth the gasses thru there or something
[21:53:39] <PetefromTn_> thats a big ass champfer
[21:53:49] <Tom_itx> sounds like some damn audio phool type
[21:53:51] <PetefromTn_> hang on lemme look at the drawing
[21:53:57] <PetefromTn_> hehe probably
[21:54:27] <Tom_itx> if he's that worried he should have them properly ported
[21:55:01] <PetefromTn_> he IS having them properly ported ;)
[21:56:49] <PetefromTn_> it's probably about 70 degrees or so.. I am missing some information I just realized LOL
[21:56:57] <PetefromTn_> gotta measure one at work tomorrow
[21:57:52] <Tom_itx> it's not shown in the one in the pic
[21:58:02] <Tom_itx> those look pretty straight
[21:58:18] <PetefromTn_> yup those are someone else's parts
[21:58:36] <PetefromTn_> ours is quite a bit different but the pic served to show what I am up against anyways
[21:59:13] <furrywolf> d'oh! I just realized each side of this needs a fuse holder, not just one.
[21:59:16] <Tom_itx> we made some from some really hard SS once... forget the alloy
[21:59:40] <Tom_itx> what a pita
[21:59:55] <furrywolf> during normal use, both sides are at 24V, with ~10kA available...
[22:00:03] <PetefromTn_> honestly if it were not for the tapered holes and the engraving and pockets on both sides these parts would not be viable for me to make...
[22:01:07] <Tom_itx> gonna weld em when you're done too?
[22:01:41] <PetefromTn_> hells yeah!
[22:01:50] <PetefromTn_> thats why I am making them we ran out LOL
[22:02:10] <PetefromTn_> plus we want to have our OWN version with our name on it etc.
[22:05:50] <Tom_itx> other than that it's a waste machining the top side
[22:06:08] <PetefromTn_> why?
[22:06:23] <Tom_itx> doesn't mate to anything
[22:06:28] <Tom_itx> nothing critical there
[22:06:34] <Tom_itx> just looks
[22:07:17] <PetefromTn_> yeah but that's the most important part!
[22:07:25] <fenn> sad but true
[22:07:26] <Tom_itx> pfft
[22:07:46] <Tom_itx> for marketing i suppose
[22:08:01] <Tom_itx> doesn't help performance one bit
[22:08:04] <fenn> nobody pays thousands of dollars for an ugly piece of metal
[22:08:17] <Tom_itx> if they get beat by it they might
[22:08:33] <PetefromTn_> well if it has a nice smooth shiny surface the air flowing across the motor from the radiator will create .000065 HP
[22:09:08] <fenn> it'll radiate less heat...
[22:10:06] <PetefromTn_> it will make the guy looking at the picture on the internet drool and reach for his wallet/credit card ;)
[22:10:58] <fenn> make big chamfers then so they know it's CNC machined :P
[22:11:20] <PetefromTn_> ALWAYS!!
[22:16:05] <fenn> i'd surface both sides of stock in a vise, then clamp a stack up and drill the four small holes, then bolt/pin the thing to a waste surface and do the profile/chamfer one at a time
[22:16:26] <Jymmm> JT-Shop:
http://www.food.com/recipe/hot-and-sour-soup-32858
[22:16:47] <fenn> probably worth it to cut the profile on a plasma cutter just so you don't have to cut off all that metal in a trough
[22:17:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is not an option really
[22:18:03] <PetefromTn_> I don't think its all that bad they are only like 6x9" or s
[22:18:05] <PetefromTn_> so
[22:18:17] <fenn> is it stainless?
[22:18:35] <PetefromTn_> nope mild steel
[22:20:08] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: are you putting text on it?
[22:20:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[22:20:43] <zeeshan|2> niuce man
[22:20:46] <zeeshan|2> im glad its not stainless
[22:20:48] <zeeshan|2> shits a bitch to machine
[22:20:55] <zeeshan|2> i failed miserable with 304 stainless flange machining
[22:21:34] <PetefromTn_> still working on the design a bi
[22:21:36] <PetefromTn_> bit
[22:21:45] <PetefromTn_> gotta get these things machined soon tho
[22:21:50] <PetefromTn_> already got paid for em hehe
[22:22:11] <PetefromTn_> can't wait to try out my new maritool face mill when it gets here
[22:22:19] <zeeshan|2> you got one?!?
[22:22:20] <zeeshan|2> nice man
[22:22:20] <zeeshan|2> :D
[22:22:26] <PetefromTn_> and my new inserts both for steel and aluminum
[22:22:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[22:22:34] <zeeshan|2> which one
[22:23:02] <PetefromTn_> https://www.maritool.com/Indexable-Tooling-45%C2%B0-Square-Insert-Shell-Mill/c50_110/p665/Shell-Mill-45deg-X-3.15-dia/product_info.html
[22:23:27] <PetefromTn_> ordered a parlec 1" facemill arbor cat40
[22:24:06] <PetefromTn_> hopefully the tooling and the steel will be here by wednesday
[22:26:34] <PetefromTn_> hopefully that maritool facemill will be as nice as the rest of the tooling I have received from them...
[22:28:36] <Jymmm> JT-Shop:
http://www.food.com/recipe/restaurant-teriyaki-sauce-133751
[22:31:25] <furrywolf> so far so good... the LEDs are the same brightness off 9v or 18v. :)
[22:33:58] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, they make pretty good tooling
[22:34:45] <fenn> PetefromTn_: instead of plasma you could rough cut the profile on a vertical bandsaw
[22:36:32] <PetefromTn_> fenn ya know for the number I am making that is a possibility at least to cut out some of the heavy machining
[22:43:07] * furrywolf wonders what the nec says about ultracapacitors
[22:51:39] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: BBQ'ed Sweet Potatoes
http://www.food.com/recipe/ww-crispy-barbecued-sweet-potatoes-238240
[22:57:58] <zeeshan|2> yum
[22:58:31] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/S4Y4A
[22:58:34] <zeeshan|2> hehe the company i work at
[22:58:37] <zeeshan|2> asked me to make htis part
[22:58:40] <zeeshan|2> it was a bit challenging
[22:58:48] <zeeshan|2> deep slot
[22:58:53] <zeeshan|2> lots of precise tolerances
[23:00:01] * zeeshan|2 loves mikron
[23:00:27] <PetefromTn_> cool
[23:01:26] <bobo> wate till you get a Mikron having a tool changer
[23:05:25] <zeeshan|2> :D
[23:05:36] <zeeshan|2> honestly, itll always be a tool room machine
[23:05:45] <zeeshan|2> if i ever need to get tool changer, its time for a vmc
[23:05:54] <zeeshan|2> but thats not happening anytime soon
[23:06:08] <zeeshan|2> pete thats a nice face mill
[23:07:47] <PetefromTn_> I hope so man LOL
[23:13:03] <PetefromTn_> GN8
[23:25:17] <bobo> zeeshan around here riggers always are a good source of macine parts and tooling they also know where machines are for sale
[23:27:21] <bobo> hope the temporary set back turns into your good luck
[23:28:05] <bobo> later
