#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-10-03

[00:04:14] <codepython777> zeeshan|2: hi
[00:19:07] <Contract_Pilot> Thanks to the shooting i made back my mesa money hahaha!
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[00:43:07] <trentster> zeeshan|2: looks amazing - very interesting toolpath
[00:55:54] <Contract_Pilot> DHL is so slow.
[01:01:10] <renesis> think it depends on the drivers and your spot on the route more than carrier
[01:14:15] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[01:14:22] <zeeshan|2> thanks
[01:14:58] <zeeshan|2> its still machining away
[01:15:03] <zeeshan|2> i m hearing the noise remotely
[01:15:10] <zeeshan|2> and got hal over a shell open
[01:15:13] <zeeshan|2> i doubt ill need to stop the process
[01:15:58] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/cVvMnd6DAG2
[01:16:00] <zeeshan|2> watch! :P
[02:06:13] <Deejay> moin
[02:23:14] <Contract_Pilot> Weight was worrying me on the walmart deal e-mail them in 45min had a responce and 3 additinal tracling numbers
[02:23:24] <Contract_Pilot> ahh tracking numbers
[02:25:10] <Wolf_> heh, nice
[02:25:21] <Wolf_> I ordered one of them 48v10A psu
[02:29:16] <Wolf_> that lm78L15 has me semi baffled on that driver I blew up
[02:30:07] <Wolf_> I pulled it and a few other things off the board, when its powered up I read ~19v dc on both the input and output pads...
[02:33:11] <Praesmeodymium> my orders all finally switched to shipped finally
[02:33:47] <Praesmeodymium> so who got todays 331? motors lol
[02:36:24] <aventtini> hello guys
[02:36:45] <aventtini> some one on the channel
[02:36:48] <aventtini> ?
[02:38:17] <KimK_laptop> I'm here, for a moment at least
[02:38:46] <aventtini> <aventtini> loadrt timedelay count=1
[02:38:46] <aventtini> <aventtini> loadrt not count=1
[02:38:46] <aventtini> <aventtini> addf timedelay.0 servo-thread
[02:38:46] <aventtini> <aventtini> addf not.0 servo-thread
[02:38:46] <aventtini> <aventtini> setp timedelay.0 on-delay 3540
[02:38:46] <aventtini> <aventtini> setp timedelay.0 off-delay 60
[02:38:47] <aventtini> <aventtini> net lube-not timedelay.0.out not.0.in
[02:38:47] <aventtini> <aventtini> net lube not.0.out => timedelay.0.in parport.0.pin-X-out
[02:39:10] <aventtini> not.0.in this is a input
[02:39:20] <aventtini> pin
[02:40:00] <aventtini> i have no erros on the lube
[02:40:09] <ganzuul> Is there a name for spirally corrugated pipe like this; http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/401/965/822/822965401_491.jpg where the grooves are used as threads for fittings?
[02:40:18] <aventtini> but i cant get any volts on the out pin
[02:40:51] <ganzuul> So you could take a thin wall aluminium pipe and screw it into a nut arrangement, and not lose strength?
[02:46:34] <KimK_laptop> ganzuul: Other than "spirally corrugated pipe", I don't know of any special name. But the pipe in your photo has a pretty steep thread, I'm not sure it would stay "tightened" anyway, even if it was solid, nevermind denting the thin wall tubing. Many problems in that direction, I'd think.
[02:50:18] <ganzuul> KimK_laptop: Agreed! The page it comes from say they're for heat exchangers. Feels like it would be very easy and useful to roll form pipe without thinning the tube walls, but I can't find an example of it.
[02:58:41] <MacGalempsy> maybe it will show up, maybe I will get a refund http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/NEW-ARRIVING-MINGDA-Glitar-6C-3D-Printer-Industrial-Large-3D-Printer-ABS-PLA-Metal-Frame-300/1936246_32485548096.html
[03:02:04] <ganzuul> Very impressive.
[03:02:47] <Wolf_> sounds legit..
[03:04:15] <MacGalempsy> we'll see the same one on amazon goes for 2k
[03:08:18] <Wolf_> if its real, I might get one :P
[03:10:06] <MacGalempsy> by the time we find out if its real, the 5 day sale is over
[03:10:22] <Wolf_> :/ true
[03:15:33] <KimK_laptop> aventtini: Try setting your time delays to just a few seconds each and see if you can diagnose it that way.
[03:17:50] <KimK_laptop> aventtini: Also, can you see the net "lube" changing? Maybe it's working and your issue is with the parallel port only?
[03:23:49] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UraDd-uJrs
[03:43:27] <aventtini> no im using a mesa
[03:43:27] <aventtini> my out pin is a mesa pin
[03:43:27] <aventtini> i can se 24v on pin 6
[03:43:27] <aventtini> but i can see it stop
[03:58:06] <aventtini3> still lube problem
[03:58:21] <aventtini3> i cant get a pin to work
[03:58:38] <aventtini3> has anyone done a lube on one pin based on a timer ?
[03:59:55] <aventtini3> <aventtini> <aventtini> loadrt timedelay count=1
[03:59:56] <aventtini3> <aventtini> <aventtini> loadrt not count=1
[03:59:56] <aventtini3> <aventtini> <aventtini> addf timedelay.0 servo-thread
[03:59:56] <aventtini3> <aventtini> <aventtini> addf not.0 servo-thread
[03:59:56] <aventtini3> <aventtini> <aventtini> setp timedelay.0. on-delay 3540
[03:59:56] <aventtini3> <aventtini> <aventtini> setp timedelay.0. off-delay 60
[03:59:56] <aventtini3> <aventtini> <aventtini> net lube-not timedelay.0.out not.0.in
[03:59:57] <aventtini3> <aventtini> <aventtini> net lube not.0.out => mesa out pin 6
[04:00:11] <aventtini3> it just stays on no timer
[04:03:20] <archivist> that looks like it will only be on for a short time, latch the delayed signal before you send it to the pin (and dont forget to reset it on machine stop)
[04:07:13] <archivist> 3540 is a rather long time to wait !
[04:07:47] <archivist> dont need a latch, fix your numbers
[04:08:38] <avenntini2> 60 sec
[04:08:54] <avenntini2> i have changed 3540 to 30 sec
[04:08:57] <avenntini2> no movement
[04:09:20] <ganzuul> Found some Germans who make speciality spun formed screw threads: http://www.aupperle-gmbh.de/services.html
[04:10:11] <avenntini2> it gives a 24v continus
[04:10:26] <avenntini2> its posible i need a external imput
[04:10:26] <avenntini2> input
[04:10:26] <avenntini2> ?
[04:10:26] <ganzuul> ...Doh! Edison thread!
[04:11:24] <archivist> avenntini2, use http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/halmeter.1.html to diagnose where your signals are working
[04:12:28] <avenntini2> yes im using
[04:12:43] <avenntini2> and it says out false and in false
[04:12:47] <avenntini2> timers are true
[04:13:09] <archivist> so you have not set the input
[04:13:29] <archivist> or connected it to the right place
[04:13:41] <avenntini2> i dont want a input
[04:13:50] <avenntini2> just when i start the machine
[04:13:51] <archivist> you do to the timer
[04:13:54] <avenntini2> every 30 min
[04:14:00] <avenntini2> 1 min of oil
[04:15:14] <avenntini2> i want to use machine enable
[04:15:18] <avenntini2> as a input
[04:15:23] <avenntini2> then timer
[04:15:37] <avenntini2> and out pin 6 of mesa
[04:15:49] <archivist> timer will only give you one pulse, not every 30 mins
[04:16:15] <avenntini2> so i cant use it as a periodic timer
[04:16:29] <avenntini2> only when i start the machine right?
[04:16:39] <archivist> you could use two to make an astable or use http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/siggen.9.html
[04:16:45] <avenntini2> so not good
[04:17:38] <avenntini2> i got this from a guys hal
[04:17:38] <avenntini2> loadrt oneshot count=2
[04:17:38] <avenntini2> addf oneshot.0 servo-thread
[04:17:38] <avenntini2> #set oneshot impulse length = 2 sec
[04:17:38] <avenntini2> setp oneshot.1.width 2
[04:18:34] <archivist> dont pm me
[04:18:41] <aventtini3> ok
[04:18:52] <Wolf_> use paste bin or something
[04:19:57] <aventtini3> i cant find some usuful stuff on lube
[04:23:02] <aventtini3> i have made the machine 99 %
[04:23:06] <aventtini3> and now lube si a major problem
[04:23:08] <aventtini3> :)))
[04:23:16] <archivist> you want a sigggen set for 30 mins and trigger the time delay off that to run the lube for 30 secs
[04:23:50] <archivist> I am one of the drivers so have to go out http://www.middleton-leawood.org.uk/leawood/whatson2015.html
[04:55:03] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=107&v=4HiSkSVbsXM
[04:55:25] <XXCoder> heys
[04:58:45] <XXCoder> anomynous: interesting
[04:59:07] <anomynous> XXCoder, sarcasm?
[04:59:18] <XXCoder> huh?
[04:59:31] <anomynous> like, "off topic, go elsewhere" ;D I guess not
[04:59:44] <anomynous> i thought it was funny
[04:59:46] <XXCoder> lol
[04:59:55] <XXCoder> I wonder how far it can be scaled up.
[05:00:18] <anomynous> personal tube post system. From your work room messages to your wife ;D
[05:01:15] <XXCoder> lol finally internet is series of tubes analog can finlly be more accurate lol
[05:01:56] <XXCoder> it was dumb statement by some poticitcan
[05:03:03] <Wolf_> https://youtu.be/Y1MDOerruDU?t=49s
[05:08:58] <XXCoder> interesting
[05:16:32] <aventtini3> i cant fix this 300000 informations about linuxcnc
[05:16:45] <XXCoder> huh?
[05:16:46] <aventtini3> but not one on lube
[05:16:51] <aventtini3> not even one that works
[05:17:38] <aventtini3> i have a problem whit a lube pump to work
[05:20:44] <LatheBuilderShop> aventtini3, perhaps manually trigger lube pump while you sort it out. Gets you making parts. I do that as part of my startup and periodically during run
[05:21:12] <XXCoder> thats good idea
[05:22:04] <Wolf_> sometimes you can’t beat simple also, like a electro-mech timer
[05:22:23] <XXCoder> verners work too
[05:22:33] <XXCoder> maybe not for more dense oils?
[05:24:40] <aventtini3> yes brow but it must work
[05:25:08] <aventtini3> my coding is slow
[05:25:21] <aventtini3> and i cant understand some things from the manual
[05:25:31] <aventtini3> but im trying
[05:25:49] <aventtini3> its such a simple stuff
[05:25:54] <aventtini3> one out
[05:26:05] <aventtini3> every 30 min
[05:26:13] <aventtini3> when i start the machine
[05:26:53] <aventtini3> im searching is some hals on the forum and i see no one has use such a lube
[05:28:21] <aventtini3> i cant belive that no one has dont this on lathe on vmc
[05:28:24] <aventtini3> imposible
[05:29:00] <XXCoder> well like wolf says you can set it to manual and turn it on and off yourself as needed.
[05:29:18] <aventtini3> sure
[05:29:23] <aventtini3> but where is the siance
[05:29:35] <aventtini3> :))
[05:29:38] <Wolf_> most running VMC are using mesa probably
[05:29:56] <aventtini3> i have mesa 7i77
[05:30:10] <aventtini3> with 5i25
[05:30:17] <aventtini3> on this setup
[05:31:26] <aventtini3> i can use iocontrol but it dont have timers
[05:31:32] <Wolf_> hmm, maybe in a few hours try to catch PCW
[05:31:40] <MacGalempsy> oops! just called the COO of the company instead of the helper!
[05:32:17] <aventtini3> i never ask before i test for 1 week
[05:32:40] <aventtini3> then i found the simple way to do it
[05:33:01] <malcom2073> Morning
[05:33:06] <MacGalempsy> hey malcom2073
[05:33:09] <aventtini3> Morning
[05:33:27] <MacGalempsy> you missed all the excitement of super low 3d printers in the hangout
[05:33:35] <malcom2073> Super low?
[05:33:56] <aventtini3> i have got all the hals on the net and i cant see some one
[05:34:06] <Wolf_> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/NEW-ARRIVING-MINGDA-Glitar-6C-3D-Printer-Industrial-Large-3D-Printer-ABS-PLA-Metal-Frame-300/1936246_32485548096.html
[05:34:12] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[05:34:13] <aventtini3> maybe no one is using
[05:34:18] <malcom2073> Lol wow, prints soccar balls!
[05:34:22] <XXCoder> malcom2073: like slammed car but for 3d printer. ;)
[05:34:23] <MacGalempsy> we'll see if it actually shows up!
[05:34:31] <malcom2073> XXCoder: :-D
[05:34:34] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: You bought one?
[05:34:38] <XXCoder> $161??
[05:34:46] <MacGalempsy> yeah, we'll see
[05:34:53] <malcom2073> Nice!
[05:35:03] <MacGalempsy> at least with Aliexpress they hold the money until you say the item showed up
[05:35:06] <malcom2073> Replace the extruder with a jhead + wades, and it should be ok
[05:35:08] <MacGalempsy> its worth the gamble
[05:35:25] <MacGalempsy> Dennis bought 4 printers
[05:35:28] <Wolf_> don’t need wades
[05:35:34] <Wolf_> 1.75mm
[05:35:37] <MacGalempsy> dual ball screws
[05:35:45] <malcom2073> The bed has a screw on both sides?
[05:35:48] <malcom2073> Damn, I'm tempted
[05:35:50] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[05:35:53] <malcom2073> 4 days left on the sale
[05:35:58] <MacGalempsy> and a silicon heater
[05:36:10] <malcom2073> Wow
[05:36:13] <malcom2073> Wonder why it's so cheap
[05:36:17] <KimK> aventtini3: Maybe try this? (scroll down to just above section 4): http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Sample_HAL_And_ClassicLadder There is also this: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CentralizedLubricator Hope these help. I'll be back later.
[05:36:19] <MacGalempsy> yeah, Bill ordered one too
[05:36:27] <Wolf_> i’ve been looking at that thing for the last 2 hours, almost hit the buy button a few times
[05:36:37] <MacGalempsy> if they show up, we'll be happy. if not, it was worth a try
[05:36:44] <malcom2073> Wolf_: For that price, even if it's crap, the motors and screws are worth that lol
[05:36:55] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: bahahahahaha thats what we did for the last 4 + hours
[05:37:31] <MacGalempsy> I wonder if someone is going to show up to work on monday and get fired
[05:37:42] <SpeedEvil> that seems an unlikely price
[05:37:43] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: 3 day delivery too
[05:37:56] <MacGalempsy> kind of confusing on that
[05:37:58] <malcom2073> Or money back
[05:38:09] <MacGalempsy> because it is 7 day wait
[05:38:15] <malcom2073> yeah
[05:38:22] <SpeedEvil> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/1936246
[05:38:22] <XXCoder> okay ordered one
[05:38:27] <XXCoder> lets see what happens.
[05:38:27] <Wolf_> lol
[05:38:33] <SpeedEvil> Quite a lot of different printers
[05:38:34] <MacGalempsy> yeah.
[05:38:43] <XXCoder> I mean, 10%!
[05:38:43] <malcom2073> Might be clearing out inventory
[05:38:44] <SpeedEvil> down to $79
[05:39:03] <SpeedEvil> Sorry, $72
[05:39:05] <MacGalempsy> we need Contract_Pilot to come in and try to lowball them further
[05:39:13] <malcom2073> Lol
[05:39:23] <malcom2073> Damn, I might buy more than one
[05:39:46] <malcom2073> Get myself a cheap delta too
[05:39:49] <MacGalempsy> I am curious if there is a way for them to try and cancel the order, then jack up the price
[05:39:49] <XXCoder> its 600mm (2 ft tall)
[05:39:59] <MacGalempsy> every other seller is like $1500
[05:40:09] <XXCoder> know whats awesome? ABS printer!
[05:40:13] <XXCoder> hella yes
[05:40:52] <MacGalempsy> I been printing ABS for about 3 years. but this one looks awesome
[05:41:07] <XXCoder> I didnt plan to have any till much later
[05:41:15] <Wolf_> yeah, it being enclosed is whats tempting me
[05:41:17] <XXCoder> but like I said... awesome one for 160
[05:41:30] <Wolf_> ABS hates drafts
[05:41:33] <MacGalempsy> keep your fingers crossed
[05:41:39] <XXCoder> yep
[05:42:38] <Wolf_> why couldn’t the damn thing be 300x300...
[05:43:27] <SpeedEvil> The refund only works as I read teh terms if you're willing to ship it back
[05:43:41] <XXCoder> sheet metal structure
[05:43:49] <malcom2073> SpeedEvil: Refund if you never get it too though
[05:43:57] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[05:43:57] <XXCoder> I bet 161 dont even cover their making cost
[05:44:12] <malcom2073> That sellers whole store is big discounted
[05:44:15] <malcom2073> maybe selling out
[05:44:29] <SpeedEvil> But if they ship you a 161 broken thing that is the right shape and sort of works, you may have to pay >161 to return it
[05:44:46] <XXCoder> geez
[05:44:52] <XXCoder> all their stuff is in DEEP discount
[05:44:55] <SpeedEvil> I'm just being the voice of paranoia here.
[05:44:59] <malcom2073> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Promotion-Price-MINGDA-NEW-Glitar-6C-300-200-600mm-Big-3D-Printer-Machine-Large-3D-Printing/1936246_32483477815.html
[05:45:00] <malcom2073> even cheaper
[05:45:29] <MacGalempsy> thats the rist SpeedEvil
[05:45:33] <malcom2073> SpeedEvil: True, it's a gamble
[05:45:33] <Wolf_> lol
[05:45:40] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: it is a gamble yes
[05:45:45] <XXCoder> but one I can afford
[05:47:36] <malcom2073> erm, Look at the shipping package size
[05:47:43] <malcom2073> 30cmx30cmx30cm
[05:47:57] <malcom2073> and 139lbs
[05:48:05] <malcom2073> MAybe it's a box of compacted printer parts
[05:48:38] <XXCoder> time lord tech
[05:49:03] <XXCoder> know whats odd? I wish i selected faster shipping option
[05:49:11] <malcom2073> Lol
[05:49:15] <XXCoder> because ALL options are free. even insane expensive ones.
[05:49:29] <malcom2073> EMS is 3 day
[05:49:31] <malcom2073> I'ma do that
[05:49:44] <malcom2073> Should I get the $140 with the LCD on the bottom, or the $160 with the LCD on the top? :P
[05:50:10] <XXCoder> depends on where you put it lol
[05:50:16] <malcom2073> Indeed
[05:51:19] <XXCoder> according to page it is industual quality printer
[05:51:26] <XXCoder> better than yhour average glue gun
[05:51:43] <malcom2073> They have a flashforge too: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/CES-exhibition-Flashforge-3D-Printer-Dreamer-WIFI-touchscreen-CE-FCC-dual-nozzle-Fully-Enclosed-Chamber-with/1936246_32485516287.html
[05:52:04] <XXCoder> ohhh
[05:52:07] <XXCoder> look at picture!
[05:52:13] <XXCoder> big error allright
[05:52:19] <XXCoder> should be 898 bucks
[05:52:39] <MacGalempsy> hehehe
[05:52:52] <malcom2073> I'm so tempted to buy two printers haha
[05:53:02] <XXCoder> lets see if guy sells laser stuff too
[05:53:09] <malcom2073> If I had money, I'd buy a bunch and resell
[05:53:11] <malcom2073> he doesn't, I checked
[05:53:12] <malcom2073> :P
[05:53:12] <MacGalempsy> it should be a 40% discound, not 85%
[05:53:48] <Wolf_> lol I was just looking at the flash forge
[05:54:49] <MacGalempsy> yep, someone is getting fired on Monday when they are like, we got a thousand orders
[05:55:03] <MacGalempsy> and lose $500 on each order
[05:55:07] <malcom2073> I'm still banking on it's a warehouse going out of business or something
[05:55:11] <XXCoder> they will be all YAYYYYYYY wha? NOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo </vader>
[05:55:15] <MacGalempsy> that is what I was saying too
[05:55:35] <malcom2073> I'ma do it, I'm gonna get the flashforge and the Glitar
[05:55:44] <Wolf_> selling off shit that survived the port explosion and got paid for by insurance
[05:55:44] <MacGalempsy> with the chinese stockmarket upside down, it is possible
[05:56:05] <malcom2073> Lol total: $258 for two printers
[05:56:06] <MacGalempsy> the whole package weighs 57kg!
[05:57:12] <XXCoder> noo no laser shit in that store
[05:57:40] <MacGalempsy> If the product you receive is not as described or low quality, the seller promises that you may return it before order completion (when you click ‘Confirm Order Received’ or exceed confirmation timeframe) and receive a full refund. The return shipping fee will be paid by you. Or, you can choose to keep the product and agree the refund amount directly with the seller.
[05:58:34] <XXCoder> lot of that seller nonprinter stuff isnt in as big a sale in most part
[05:58:38] <XXCoder> 50% maybe
[05:59:03] <malcom2073> So why does that big printer list as a "Set" instead of "piece"?
[05:59:05] <malcom2073> Think it's a it?
[05:59:06] <malcom2073> kit*
[05:59:34] <SpeedEvil> I note that it's also a new store.
[05:59:39] <Wolf_> I wanna know how you get 60cm ballscrews in a 30cm box
[05:59:46] <malcom2073> Lol cut it in half of course!
[05:59:59] <XXCoder> already said time lord tech man! lol
[06:00:12] <Wolf_> fold it?
[06:00:16] <XXCoder> no
[06:00:19] <XXCoder> inside is bigger
[06:00:26] <Wolf_> nope
[06:00:32] <Wolf_> smaller on the outside
[06:00:34] <MacGalempsy> its a multidimensional printer
[06:00:47] <MacGalempsy> only 30mm in this universe, and 30 in the other
[06:01:03] <malcom2073> Done, purchased two
[06:01:04] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: that'd be awesome. 4d mill would be awesome. it'd do impossible stuff
[06:01:10] <XXCoder> like mill a hollow
[06:01:25] <XXCoder> and remove swarf so it is nice and empty
[06:01:52] <Wolf_> nanobot mill IMO
[06:02:15] <Wolf_> just need a solid with the same mass as the part you want
[06:02:17] <XXCoder> that would be additive and subtractive cnc
[06:02:50] <XXCoder> heh guy has reprap mendel for 40 bucks less than I paid for that bigass printer.
[06:03:08] <SpeedEvil> Wolf_: angle grinder
[06:03:08] <SpeedEvil> Wolf_: or bend them 90 degrees to get two axes
[06:03:34] <XXCoder> HMM
[06:03:41] <XXCoder> SLR camera for less than 100 bucks
[06:04:02] <XXCoder> "
[06:04:02] <XXCoder> Special Feature: Cheap Camera " lol
[06:04:38] <malcom2073> Hmm
[06:04:43] <malcom2073> my bank is declining the transaction
[06:04:48] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-types-D3000-HD-Digital-SLR-Camera-Photos-3-0-LTPS-Screen-16-Times-Telephoto-Lens/1936246_32483602202.html
[06:04:49] <malcom2073> It won't let me pay
[06:06:26] <malcom2073> There we go, weird.
[06:07:11] <XXCoder> interesting. my porevious order was to Shenzhen H&Z Electronics Co., Ltd.
[06:07:21] <XXCoder> new one Shenzhen Co.,Ltd
[06:14:11] <XXCoder> lets hope its big fire sale
[06:14:21] <XXCoder> I look forward to playing with printer lol
[06:14:31] <malcom2073> printer*
[06:14:38] <malcom2073> * may or may not be entirely a printer
[06:14:50] <XXCoder> ** likely not***
[06:14:53] <XXCoder> ***not at all
[06:14:59] <malcom2073> Meh, what's $300 among friends
[06:15:12] <malcom2073> Hell, if they show up damaaged, I'll tell them to take half the money back and leave me the other half with the parts
[06:15:23] <XXCoder> indeed
[06:15:40] <XXCoder> I would be sad if it actually fit in 20x20x20 cm box lol
[06:15:43] <malcom2073> Lol
[06:15:49] <fenn> not "fire sale" it's an "explosion sale"
[06:15:50] <malcom2073> I'd be amused. Lots of pictures for sure either way
[06:16:09] <XXCoder> unless they sent me actual time lord tech and revealed true chinese tech level by mistake.
[06:16:35] <malcom2073> Weirder things *have* happened
[06:16:44] <XXCoder> yeah but not that weird
[06:19:15] <XXCoder> if I do get one, I would reverse engineer it
[06:19:21] <XXCoder> so my room can have rooms in it
[06:19:32] <XXCoder> and shop and big 100'by100' warehouse room
[06:19:37] <SpeedEvil> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/6-Material-size-210-210-210mm-High-Quality-Precision-Reprap-Prusa-i3-DIY-3d-Printer-kit/1936246_32485524251.html
[06:19:40] <malcom2073> There's an xibit meme for that
[06:19:48] <SpeedEvil> Shipping 18kg from china in a week, for $72?
[06:20:00] <SpeedEvil> Even if it was a rock, that seems a good shipping price
[06:20:26] <XXCoder> im pretty sure it comes in parts ready to build.
[06:20:39] <XXCoder> one I bought com,es with LOTS tools. I guess to build it.
[06:20:53] <XXCoder> dunno how they would fit 2 feet long sheet in 20 cm box though
[06:21:03] <malcom2073> Maybe it's in panels, just not in the picture
[06:21:09] <malcom2073> Still though, the screws!
[06:21:15] <aventtini3> guys
[06:21:24] <aventtini3> how do you instal a comp
[06:21:39] <aventtini3> like sudo --instal
[06:21:48] <XXCoder> that 78 one? motors alone would cover the cost
[06:21:54] <aventtini3> sudo --instal lube.py
[06:21:55] <XXCoder> then theres lot other stuff.
[06:22:18] <aventtini3> i cand seem to write the corect directory
[06:22:34] <aventtini3> where the py is
[06:22:36] <XXCoder> odd it lists one of materials as wood
[06:23:00] <Wolf_> wood fiber pla
[06:23:02] <aventtini3> sudo --instal mikron\linuxcnc\lube.py
[06:23:05] <XXCoder> ahh
[06:23:58] <XXCoder> OHHH guy sells le projector too
[06:24:00] <XXCoder> lcd
[06:24:12] <XXCoder> not as massive sale but..
[06:25:53] <Wolf_> a118 dash cam isn’t priced too bad $39
[06:26:00] <XXCoder> yeah theres MASSIVE number of orders on most of that store stuff
[06:26:13] <XXCoder> either fire sale or someones so fired.
[06:27:44] <SpeedEvil> Someone else in another channel claimed the typical scam is get lots of orders, and hope one or more people fat-finger the 'order arrived' button whena pproving other aliexpress stuff
[06:27:51] <SpeedEvil> no stuff is actually posted at all.
[06:28:07] <malcom2073> That makes sense
[06:28:10] <SpeedEvil> The seller walks away with the one or two confirmed order money
[06:28:25] <SpeedEvil> $300 for a couple of hourse copy+paste
[06:28:32] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:28:44] <malcom2073> Meh, probably is. Damn you SpeedEvil :(
[06:28:51] <XXCoder> I sure will be as careful as heck on not confirming till I confirm it is fine
[06:29:15] <fenn> this would be more tempting if i actually wanted a 3d printer
[06:29:26] <XXCoder> fenn: look at other stuff
[06:29:31] <XXCoder> guy has some interesting stuff
[06:29:40] <fenn> typical chinese online seller crap
[06:30:10] <XXCoder> not really
[06:30:19] <XXCoder> like one $800 projector for just over 100 bucks
[06:30:49] <fenn> "1280x800 Full HD 1080P" ok
[06:31:16] <XXCoder> well its big upgrade from my eyeclops one LOL
[06:31:30] <XXCoder> I logged over 1000 hours on that
[06:31:54] <XXCoder> entire babylon 5 as well as the last airbender and so onb
[06:34:41] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoShF6d_96k
[06:34:43] <XXCoder> nice!
[06:35:26] <XXCoder> have to add coax to hdmi so my weird lashup to get captions working would be projectable
[06:36:40] <XXCoder> dvd player (rca) -> VCR (coax) -> caption machine (coax) -> vcr (rca) -> rca to hdmi (hdmi) -> projector.
[06:36:59] <XXCoder> there is NO modern caption machines now
[06:38:29] <fenn> why would you even use a dvd player
[06:38:39] <malcom2073> Why would you need a caption machine? Most things have captions nowadays
[06:38:41] <XXCoder> dvd collection
[06:38:59] <XXCoder> malcom2073: not when it is dvd to projector. projector has nothing to decode captions.
[06:38:59] <Wolf_> rip them to network drive
[06:39:10] <malcom2073> XXCoder: The DVD player would
[06:39:12] <XXCoder> hdmi itself cannot carry closed caption info :(
[06:39:24] <XXCoder> malcom2073: most dont. I am not aware of any that does
[06:39:48] <XXCoder> Wolf_: would it include captions?
[06:39:51] <malcom2073> Really? My $5 DVD player does, you go into the LAnguage/sound menu and select your caption language
[06:40:05] <XXCoder> malcom2073: uh
[06:40:10] <XXCoder> closed and open caption is different
[06:40:16] <Wolf_> oh wait, sub-titles arent caption
[06:40:21] <malcom2073> Oh I misunderstood
[06:40:41] <XXCoder> np its confusing to people who dont know cc
[06:40:51] <XXCoder> oc is what most people think what I meant
[06:41:06] <malcom2073> Well, it's called CC on everything :P
[06:41:09] <malcom2073> So understandable confusion heh
[06:41:15] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:41:36] <XXCoder> I wonder if there is cc to oc convertor
[06:41:59] <malcom2073> So what's the difference? The wiki page isn't clear about it
[06:42:10] <XXCoder> malcom2073: cc is usually for deaf
[06:42:13] <XXCoder> so it has sound effects
[06:42:25] <XXCoder> so I know whats going on. like phone ring, CRASH! so on
[06:42:30] <malcom2073> Yeah
[06:42:45] <XXCoder> open caption is just what is spoken. typical anyway
[06:42:54] <malcom2073> Huh, most dvd's have the sounds and stuff on them
[06:43:01] <malcom2073> I guess they don't have *all* the sounds maybe?
[06:43:05] <XXCoder> maybe
[06:43:34] <malcom2073> Dunno I run captions all the time, always have heh cause my parents did
[06:43:38] <XXCoder> http://ccextractor.sourceforge.net/using-ccextractor/dvd-cc-extraction.html
[06:43:39] <malcom2073> makes it so you don't have to have the ound turned way out ot hear
[06:43:59] <XXCoder> 80% of captions (either kind) users are not deaf
[06:44:31] <XXCoder> for youtube theres added bonus of ability to translate language (not exact quality but WAY better than autocapions)
[06:45:26] <XXCoder> hm I may have to buy a dvd drive if i wanna rip lolo
[06:46:10] <XXCoder> anyway
[06:46:23] <XXCoder> eleclops has 320x240 resololution and 20 lumens
[06:46:34] <XXCoder> color is uneven, bit blurry
[06:46:55] <XXCoder> but hey i bought it forn $50 in era when ANY projector was over $1000
[06:47:01] <malcom2073> heh
[06:47:03] <XXCoder> its been years
[06:47:10] <XXCoder> so it paid for itself many times over
[06:48:44] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2015-ATCO-5500Lumens-Quad-core-Android-4-4-WiFi-Smart-1080P-3D-Full-HD-LCD-Home/1936246_32485480596.html
[06:48:48] <XXCoder> just bit more money
[06:49:04] <XXCoder> and its android so i can play big screen and it is hella lot brighter.
[06:49:39] <XXCoder> hella lot more input options
[06:49:49] <malcom2073> One of these days I should buy a projector
[06:50:22] <malcom2073> I have a cheap one, but it's huge and crappy heh
[06:52:59] <XXCoder> other projector not as good but $86 AND comes with projector screen.
[06:53:36] <Jymmm> malcom2073: an old headlamp and cardboard tube with a piece of polished glass duct taped to it?
[06:54:09] <malcom2073> Thereabouts
[06:54:16] <aventtini3> guysss
[06:54:30] <aventtini3> any help here
[06:54:30] <aventtini3> ?
[06:54:38] <fenn> aventtini3: are you trying to use halcompile?
[06:55:02] <aventtini3> yesssssss
[06:55:23] <XXCoder> Just thought up a silly idea
[06:55:36] <XXCoder> my computer uses two dvis
[06:55:38] <aventtini3> sudo comp --install mikron/linuxcnc/lube.py
[06:55:43] <XXCoder> but it has hdmi free
[06:55:48] <XXCoder> projector as third screen lol
[06:56:11] <aventtini3> no luck
[06:56:18] <XXCoder> my desk is viewing nice blank white wall
[06:56:25] <XXCoder> at 8 feet away
[06:57:42] <fenn> try sudo halcompile --install --userspace mikron/linuxcnc/lube.py
[06:58:31] <aventtini3> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CentralizedLubricator
[07:00:11] <aventtini3> comand not found
[07:00:14] <aventtini3> it says
[07:00:20] <fenn> do comp instead of halcompile then
[07:00:50] <aventtini3> on sec
[07:01:58] <aventtini3> this USERSPACE is the computer user name
[07:01:58] <aventtini3> ?
[07:02:20] <fenn> no, it's just a setting for halcompile
[07:03:57] <aventtini3> command not found
[07:03:57] <aventtini3> ok
[07:04:03] <aventtini3> let me tell lu exacly
[07:04:17] <XXCoder> malcom2073: decided to go for one with free 100' screen
[07:04:19] <XXCoder> why not
[07:04:23] <aventtini3> i have taken the file on deskstop
[07:04:29] <XXCoder> not buying anything more though lol
[07:04:32] <aventtini3> my user is MIKRON
[07:04:37] <malcom2073> Heh
[07:04:51] <aventtini3> i put the lube file inside
[07:05:42] <XXCoder> though unsure what "57 stepper motor" means
[07:06:01] <XXCoder> either there is 57 motors or there is unknown to me nema57
[07:06:18] <malcom2073> Lawl
[07:06:19] <aventtini3> so it must be sudo comp --instal --userspace
[07:06:20] <aventtini3> so it must be sudo comp --instal --userspace lube.py
[07:06:22] <aventtini3> ?
[07:07:01] <Jymmm> XXCoder: It's 57 motors, for sure =)
[07:07:05] <fenn> i think you are just getting the path to the file wrong
[07:07:08] <XXCoder> This new version 3D printer takes the leading in globle area using 57 stepper motor, providing higher speed and stable performance compared with printers using 42
[07:07:09] <XXCoder> stepper motor. With high precision 32 subdivision mainboard, this printer machine makes less noise and works with much higher accuracy.
[07:07:27] <fenn> aventtini3: capital letters are different than lower case letters
[07:08:01] <fenn> aventtini3: you probably wanted something like: sudo comp --install /home/MIKRON/linuxcnc/lube.py
[07:09:08] <Wolf_> what XXCoder really ordered http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-shipping-2015-Women-s-Fashion-Raccoon-dog-Fur-Coat-Winter-with-Fox-Fur-Collar-Outerwear/1936246_32483522976.html :P
[07:09:34] <XXCoder> it goes up to 6xl
[07:09:40] <XXCoder> still too small
[07:09:41] <fenn> is it a racoon or a dog? who knows
[07:09:42] <XXCoder> lol
[07:09:51] <Jymmm> fenn: it's BOTH
[07:10:01] <XXCoder> its all dogs called raccoon before being killed
[07:10:32] <Jymmm> it's whatever they found behind the chinese restraunt dumpster
[07:10:58] <aventtini3> it did not give a error
[07:11:16] <aventtini3> it just made another tab
[07:11:26] <aventtini3> it must show someting when instal
[07:11:28] <aventtini3> instal
[07:15:23] <aventtini3> linux is shittttttttttt
[07:15:31] <aventtini3> a pice of shittttttt
[07:15:45] <aventtini3> 4 h to install a comp
[07:15:46] <XXCoder> bye then
[07:15:49] <aventtini3> and its not working
[07:15:55] <XXCoder> it took me literally 30 minutes
[07:16:02] <XXCoder> thats all.
[07:16:11] <aventtini3> your smart
[07:16:12] <XXCoder> its not problem with os
[07:16:29] <Wolf_> put in IOS, follow crap on the screen
[07:16:36] <Wolf_> iso*
[07:17:24] <aventtini3> im tryng to install a comp
[07:17:55] <aventtini3> its says sudo comp --install --userspace .Py file
[07:18:26] <Wolf_> no idea, I use the package installer to do everything
[07:24:35] <aventtini3> Here is a user component for a Willey Vogel centralized lubricator. These are used in a lot of european machines. They were bought out by SKF and are used in many modern CNC machines as well.
[07:24:35] <aventtini3> The lubricator typically has a pressure switch which needs to close after running the pump for at least 10 seconds. If it doesn't close, there is likely a leak in the system or the pump never ran (ie fuse blown). It also has a fluid level switch which will open if the fluid level is too low.
[07:24:35] <aventtini3> To use the component, typically this is added to custom.hal:
[07:24:35] <aventtini3> #central lubrication
[07:24:35] <aventtini3> loadusr -W lube.py
[07:24:36] <fenn> comp is for making custom hal stuff
[07:24:36] <aventtini3> net lube-run lube.run => hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-02
[07:24:36] <aventtini3> net machine-is-enabled lube.machine_status <= motion.motion-enabled
[07:24:37] <aventtini3> net spindle-on lube.spindle_status <= motion.spindle-on
[07:24:37] <aventtini3> net lube-ps-float-sw lube.pressuresw_floatsw <= hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-14
[07:24:38] <aventtini3> The component can be downloaded here: upload:lube.py
[07:25:44] <fenn> aventtini3: where did you download lube.py to?
[07:26:25] <aventtini3> on my desktop is a folder called mikron
[07:26:39] <aventtini3> i got it from my usb drive
[07:26:42] <fenn> ok you need to figure out the path to that file
[07:26:57] <aventtini3> :)))
[07:26:57] <aventtini3> sure thats the problem
[07:27:01] <aventtini3> i use dir
[07:27:06] <aventtini3> and i see the file
[07:27:17] <fenn> in a terminal, type ls -l /home/MIKRON/Desktop/mikron/lube.py
[07:27:21] <fenn> what does it say
[07:29:45] <aventtini3> command not found
[07:29:53] <fenn> ls is not found?
[07:29:58] <aventtini3> yes
[07:30:02] <fenn> uh..
[07:30:07] <malcom2073> Wow heh
[07:30:15] <fenn> this is linux?
[07:30:21] <aventtini3> debian
[07:31:13] <fenn> sorry man i have no idea what you are doing
[07:32:10] <fenn> you typed ls with an L not an I?
[07:34:45] <fenn> maybe you are confused and are actually using a windows command prompt
[07:34:54] * fenn takes a shower, bbl
[07:47:49] <XXCoder> http://hi.gher.space/classic/introduction.htm
[07:47:58] <XXCoder> I still want 4d cnc lol
[07:48:21] <XXCoder> the page is pretty old but fun read anyway, expecially the "adventures" later pages
[07:55:36] <fenn> a .space page is old?
[07:55:54] <fenn> they must have figured out time travel then
[07:56:44] <fenn> i bet aventtini3 saw "file not found" and read it as "command not found"
[08:24:17] <MacGalempsy> bed time. laters everyone
[08:32:47] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/5nGct7g
[08:32:53] <SpeedEvil> Does this exist as CNC?
[08:33:12] <SpeedEvil> - shaping glass vessels at elevated temperatures.
[08:33:22] <malcom2073> Erm
[08:33:46] <malcom2073> If not, it hsould
[08:33:49] <malcom2073> should*
[08:33:52] <SpeedEvil> I guess it would be heavily reliant on vision
[08:37:04] <Wolf_> https://youtu.be/TO-dL-dIu7g
[08:37:53] <aventtini3> fenn are you still on
[08:37:54] <aventtini3> ?
[08:38:03] <aventtini3> im instaling teamv on it now
[08:38:07] <aventtini3> maybe you can see
[08:56:43] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIzxWm7BBU8 Glass lathe but not CNC
[08:57:11] <Wolf_> I just watched that one, pretty cool stuff
[08:58:38] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4e1mdW8gwQ Scientific Glassblowing-50 Liter
[08:59:46] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOOfagBXE-I 400mm Reactor Lid (Repair)
[09:03:05] <chris_99> wow, that's really neat
[09:03:08] <SpeedEvil> indeed
[09:04:12] <chris_99> we're those conical flasks he was making
[09:07:15] <CaptHindsight> oh no https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX6ITjZR-3I CNC GLASS LATHE
[09:07:50] <CaptHindsight> @ 0.33 there is a screen shot of his software
[09:08:08] <Wolf_> high end
[09:08:33] <CaptHindsight> custom T-slot cnc lathe
[09:08:56] <CaptHindsight> no cutting and you don't need the precision
[09:09:00] <Wolf_> yeah, so many short parts lol
[09:09:29] <Wolf_> lol 123 block as a mount
[09:09:31] <CaptHindsight> closenoff and goodenoff
[09:10:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.littonengr.com/Lathes.cfm
[09:10:32] <CaptHindsight> wow look at the prices!
[09:11:28] <Wolf_> wow
[09:11:43] <Wolf_> need to start building glass lathes :D
[09:11:59] <CaptHindsight> more f-ing patents of the obvious! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2NEs8gon0k
[09:12:19] <CaptHindsight> this could be why
[09:14:09] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK75juKLX-I
[09:19:54] <magnifikus> hey might be heretic, but i got an idea for a nice controller solution
[09:20:14] <Wolf_> arduino?
[09:20:15] * aventtini3 slaps PCW around a bit with a large trout
[09:20:24] <magnifikus> nono
[09:20:36] <magnifikus> using a cheap spartan3 as motion controller (all axis step generator, programmed via spi or usb?!?)
[09:20:39] <aventtini3> PCW are you on?
[09:21:06] <magnifikus> combined with the trinamic 5130 drivers (disabled step generator) with spi interfaces to each for monitoring and step/dir interface?
[09:21:41] <magnifikus> so if an axis is getting near stall, you can slow all down :D
[09:22:27] <magnifikus> but would only work with boards like rpi/odroid/beaglebone with native spi imho
[09:22:52] <magnifikus> cause im too picky for an artix with pciexpress and a full pc
[09:23:25] <magnifikus> but with spi and motion control offload, you can also use an arduino
[09:24:06] <magnifikus> plus you get cheap spartan3 modules for 30€
[09:24:20] <CaptHindsight> why not an analog computer with a voltage to pulse converter for step generation?
[09:25:07] <magnifikus> you say 5.1 soundcard? :D
[09:26:00] <awallin> I read something about running the g-code program backwards - that might be useful for wire-EDM ? - is that in 2.7.0 already?
[09:26:02] <CaptHindsight> with vacuum tubes so it looks cool mounted on some driftwood (stabilized)
[09:26:11] <CaptHindsight> sounds like a poopstarter
[09:31:38] <robinsz> sigh ... spindles :(
[09:49:44] <skunkworks> awallin: it is currently on robs github
[09:50:48] <skunkworks> https://github.com/robEllenberg/linuxcnc-mirror/tree/feature/reverse-run-2.7-rebase
[09:50:54] <aventtini2> guys the .py files must be install or just place in bin?
[10:03:49] <robinsz> I'm lost as what could be wrong with the drawbar on my spindle
[10:04:24] <Tom_itx> spring actuated?
[10:04:28] <robinsz> yes
[10:04:29] <Tom_itx> broken spring?
[10:04:36] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 had that problem
[10:04:36] <robinsz> well no
[10:04:43] <robinsz> it grips fine
[10:04:45] <Tom_itx> concave washers
[10:04:48] <Wolf_> ^ springs wear, lack lube,
[10:04:55] <Wolf_> whats the issue then?
[10:05:03] <Tom_itx> doesn't release?
[10:05:09] <robinsz> doesnt release
[10:05:24] <Tom_itx> broken parts inside the tube
[10:05:28] <Tom_itx> catching
[10:05:31] <Tom_itx> possibly
[10:05:44] <Tom_itx> lack of lube... gaulding
[10:05:52] <robinsz> and there is a 2mm gap between the top of the thing that gets pressed down to release and the end of the pneumatic piston
[10:06:01] <Wolf_> low air pressure
[10:06:06] <robinsz> normally there is a .5mm gap
[10:06:07] <Wolf_> cylinder sticker
[10:06:09] <Wolf_> sticking
[10:06:17] <robinsz> no, cylinder is moving full stroke
[10:06:23] <Tom_itx> must be one of the above mentioned things
[10:06:35] <robinsz> its just this gap means the stroke is no longer enough to operate the release
[10:06:46] <robinsz> if I put a 2mm shim in, it works fine
[10:06:48] <Tom_itx> measure the stroke and see if it is a bit less or more than it should be
[10:06:52] <Wolf_> adjust the cylinder location
[10:07:16] <robinsz> stroke is fine, its as if the actuator rod has shrunk by 2mm
[10:07:37] <robinsz> I could just leave the shim in ... all is fine then
[10:07:48] <Wolf_> does the end adjust?
[10:07:58] <robinsz> not that I can see
[10:08:02] <robinsz> its worrying ...
[10:08:15] <Wolf_> pics of setup?
[10:08:34] <CaptHindsight> is the machine 200 degrees cooler than it was when the bar was 2mm longer?
[10:08:36] <robinsz> next time I am in the shop
[10:08:59] <Wolf_> what machine?
[10:09:03] <CaptHindsight> probably not, nevermind
[10:09:39] <robinsz> http://cncpd.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/hsd_shaft_kit.jpg
[10:09:45] <robinsz> thats the spindle cartridge
[10:10:23] <Wolf_> has the air drive shoved the bearings apart? LF
[10:10:25] <Wolf_> :D
[10:10:39] <robinsz> nah, the bearing never see the force
[10:10:47] <robinsz> the cylinder is clever ...
[10:11:07] <robinsz> the cylinder pushes agaisnt the cup thing right at top
[10:11:08] <Wolf_> pulls via the top spindle nut?
[10:11:54] <robinsz> and it has two plates that sit just under the end of that shiny tube at the top
[10:12:01] <Wolf_> Mine is just going to ram the top of the cylinder http://i.imgur.com/IyFTeVm.jpg
[10:12:23] <robinsz> with no air applied, cylinder does not touch at all
[10:12:47] <Wolf_> whats size cylinder?
[10:13:04] <robinsz> when air appied it presses on top, then whole clyinfer lifts 1mm or so unto forks grab underside of that tube, then it compresses the spring
[10:13:07] <Wolf_> I would look for something bent, mine puts out almost 900lbs
[10:13:11] <robinsz> or 5" or so
[10:13:23] <Wolf_> outside ?
[10:13:26] <robinsz> inside
[10:13:37] <Wolf_> 5” piston
[10:13:40] <Wolf_> what pis?
[10:13:41] <robinsz> yes, about
[10:13:43] <Wolf_> psi
[10:13:46] <robinsz> 7 bar
[10:13:55] <robinsz> 110 psa
[10:13:57] <robinsz> psi
[10:14:05] <robinsz> its going full stroke
[10:14:25] <Wolf_> only 2159lbs of force
[10:14:34] <robinsz> yeah
[10:14:58] <robinsz> its a 9hp spindle, ISO30
[10:15:20] <Wolf_> ahh I know r8 only needs about 600lbs of pull to hold
[10:15:34] <robinsz> with a shim, it releases fine
[10:16:01] <Wolf_> I would look for a adjuster, something bent or loose
[10:16:06] <robinsz> there must be a thread someplace and a locknut that has screwed itself in deeper
[10:21:01] <Wolf_> mine is only a desktop mill ;)
[10:21:28] <Wolf_> still waiting on parts to show up
[10:21:31] <robinsz> this is just an 8x4 router
[10:22:32] <robinsz> needs some "improvement" to the axes really
[10:23:10] <robinsz> the Y axis is just on round rails
[10:23:15] <robinsz> not very rigis
[10:26:38] <Wolf_> mine is slowly coming together http://i.imgur.com/fD7Z76M.jpg
[10:29:44] <malcom2073> Wolf_: You make that block on the mill?
[10:30:02] <Wolf_> yeah
[10:30:24] <malcom2073> Nice
[10:30:28] <Wolf_> can’t tell that by the off set line in it :p
[10:31:02] <Wolf_> I need to work on edge finding
[10:31:16] <fenn> robinsz: if the "plate" that the cylinder pulls on has unthreaded itself from the spindle body, it would make the actuator appear shorter
[10:31:22] <fenn> unscrewed*
[10:31:47] <fenn> looks more like a locknut than a plate from that blurry pic
[10:32:00] <robinsz> fenn, yes, I suspect something has moved
[10:32:17] <fenn> can you turn the black piece just above the bearings?
[10:32:24] <robinsz> the black thing just on top of the bearings
[10:32:31] <robinsz> thats the lower part
[10:32:52] <fenn> is that what it pulls on?
[10:32:53] <Wolf_> was about to say, which end is the collet end in that pic...
[10:33:17] <robinsz> wolf, bottom inside that red prtotective cover
[10:33:57] <Wolf_> ahh ok
[11:21:52] <Wolf_Mill> wtf
[11:21:58] <fenn> you broke it
[11:22:20] <Wolf_Mill> what causes gcode to add some weird offset when starting up
[11:22:39] <fenn> RS274_NGC_STARTUP_CODE maybe
[11:23:33] <Wolf_Mill> http://pastebin.com/NTXrpTCW
[11:24:32] <Wolf_Mill> did my touch offs, tell it to run, shifted my x0 over inthe the pos about 6mm
[11:26:38] <Wolf_Mill> oh I tool the tool number out the 2nd time i reloaded that code..
[11:29:38] <aventtini> fenn got a min?
[11:30:08] * fenn grumbles
[11:30:14] <Wolf_Mill> I really need to know wtf I'm doing wrong cause I'm fucking up parts when I need to rezero off the part every other op
[11:30:51] <fenn> did you have a tool change after Z25?
[11:32:05] <PetefromTn_> I don't see a tool callout heh
[11:32:11] <Wolf_Mill> http://pastebin.com/QZXtadD2
[11:33:11] <PetefromTn_> you know all that stuff I like to call the preamble can be on one line..
[11:33:32] <Wolf_Mill> dont see why tool comp would fuck up zero on a drilling op
[11:34:39] <PetefromTn_> I don't see anything in that code that would cause a move other than if your G54 location is different than what you expected it to be>
[11:35:08] <fenn> aventtini: did it actually say "ls: command not found"
[11:35:46] <fenn> or did it say "ls: cannot access /home/MIKRON/Desktop/mikron/lube.py: No such file or directory"
[11:36:06] <Wolf_Mill> no idea, granted that I have no clue what i'm doing really liol
[11:36:26] <PetefromTn_> are you changing tools during the program at all?
[11:36:38] <aventtini> fen
[11:36:40] <Wolf_Mill> maybe do a extra touch off on the x/y in 59 for a backup
[11:36:42] <aventtini> i have teamv
[11:36:45] <aventtini> on the machine
[11:37:11] <fenn> whatever that is sounds terrible
[11:37:11] <Wolf_Mill> when I first loaded it, it popped up insert tool number
[11:37:13] <aventtini> can i use private
[11:37:15] <aventtini> ?
[11:37:17] <PetefromTn_> make sure your tool table does not have any X and Y offset data for that tool
[11:37:55] <aventtini> we can connect to machine direcly
[11:37:58] <PetefromTn_> I have accidentally before touched off a tool when the little dot was not in Z and that added the location offset data to the X or Y in the table
[11:38:08] <PetefromTn_> which would cause some confusing shit to happen ;)
[11:38:11] <Wolf_Mill> ... -5.97602Z for tool 1
[11:38:23] <PetefromTn_> is there anything in the X and Y locations?
[11:38:29] <Wolf_Mill> blank
[11:38:30] <PetefromTn_> or any other locations for that matter
[11:38:31] <aventtini> maybe step on z is hight
[11:38:32] <PetefromTn_> ok
[11:38:47] <PetefromTn_> I would now reaquire your G54 offset
[11:39:05] <PetefromTn_> set X and Y at your zero location and touch off with that tool in Z all over again and try it.
[11:39:34] <PetefromTn_> I am assuming here this is a milling machine
[11:39:42] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, I just cleared all the tools in the table as well
[11:39:45] <PetefromTn_> or router table
[11:39:50] <Wolf_Mill> well the offsets anyways
[11:39:55] <PetefromTn_> ok well that is not really necessary
[11:39:57] <Wolf_Mill> and yes, this is in a mill
[11:40:13] <PetefromTn_> do you have homing?
[11:40:35] <Wolf_Mill> shouldnt be any offsets inthe table anyways, I'm not using tool comp in the milling ops
[11:41:06] <Wolf_Mill> right now only have homing on X axis
[11:41:17] <PetefromTn_> ok
[11:41:43] <PetefromTn_> just throwing out things that have bitten me in the past. not sure what you are doing exactly just what you have told me.
[11:42:41] <Wolf_Mill> just load code, doing edge finder touch off and go
[11:42:58] <PetefromTn_> yup that is what I do ;)
[11:43:05] <PetefromTn_> how do you touch off your Z
[11:43:14] <fenn> aventtini: i am not going to run teamviewer
[11:43:37] <Wolf_Mill> which every so often I'll lose the X 0/touch off and crash
[11:43:54] <Wolf_Mill> broke a 7/16 endmill in half the other night
[11:44:03] <PetefromTn_> why?
[11:44:46] <Wolf_Mill> wish I knew
[11:47:10] <aventtini> ok fenn
[11:48:00] <aventtini> Debug file information:
[11:48:00] <aventtini> .
[11:48:00] <aventtini> custom.hal:5: execv(lube.py): No such file or directory
[11:48:00] <aventtini> custom.hal:5: lube.py exited without becoming ready
[11:48:00] <aventtini> 5663
[11:48:01] <aventtini> PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
[11:48:01] <aventtini> Stopping realtime threads
[11:48:15] <aventtini> im confused a today
[11:48:21] <fenn> it can't find the file
[11:48:36] <aventtini> this lube.py must be some ware
[11:49:04] <aventtini> in i dont know if i need to instal or just put it some ware
[11:49:39] <aventtini> in wiki it dont say
[11:49:39] <aventtini> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CentralizedLubricator
[11:49:41] <malcom2073> Heh Wolf_: Buddy of mine had a thought, what if this thing is a box of cinder blocks?
[11:49:49] <malcom2073> You can't ship it back, and it's not useful
[11:51:12] <Wolf_Mill> what thing?
[11:51:21] <fenn> aventtini: what happens when you do "find /home/MIKRON -name lube.py"
[11:51:22] <malcom2073> The 3d printers, did you get one too?
[11:51:39] <Wolf_Mill> no i didnt
[11:51:43] <malcom2073> HEh
[11:51:45] <aventtini> 1 sec
[11:52:26] <Wolf_Mill> put like a grand of milling shit on the credit card already
[11:52:43] <aventtini> mikron@debian:~$ find /home/mikron -name lube.py
[11:52:43] <aventtini> mikron@debian:~$
[11:52:49] <Wolf_Mill> another printer is pushingit lol
[11:52:52] <malcom2073> lol
[11:53:26] <fenn> aventtini: that means you don't have the file in your home directory anywhere
[11:53:34] <aventtini> home/mikron/linuxcnc/lube.py
[11:53:34] <aventtini> home/mikron/linuxcnc/configs/mikron/lube.py
[11:53:34] <aventtini> home/mikron/lube.py
[11:53:34] <aventtini> home/mikron/.local/share/Trash/files/lube.py
[11:53:50] <fenn> oh
[11:54:25] <aventtini> so it there
[11:54:44] <Jymmm> and its perms?
[11:55:24] <aventtini> it must be sudo comp --install home/mikron/linuxcnc/lube.py
[11:56:12] <aventtini> i think we dont need to install just move some place
[11:56:21] <fenn> you need a leading "/" like /home/mikron/linuxcnc/lube.py
[11:57:04] <aventtini> let me test
[11:57:57] <Jymmm> When I search for "Silicon Dioxide" amazon returns "Diatomaceous Earth", is that right?
[11:57:57] <aventtini> Usage:
[11:57:58] <aventtini> comp [--compile|--preprocess|--document|--view-doc] compfile...
[11:57:58] <aventtini> [sudo] comp [--install|--install-doc] compfile...
[11:57:58] <aventtini> comp --compile --userspace cfile...
[11:57:58] <aventtini> [sudo] comp --install --userspace cfile...
[11:57:58] <aventtini> [sudo] comp --install --userspace pyfile...
[11:57:58] <aventtini> comp --print-modinc
[11:58:45] <fenn> i think it wants you to add --userspace
[11:59:33] <aventtini> mikron@debian:~$ sudo comp --install --userspace /home/mikron/linuxcnc/lube.py
[11:59:44] <aventtini> nothing happends
[11:59:58] <fenn> does it work now?
[12:00:14] <aventtini> nothing change in the terminal
[12:00:34] <fenn> that's normal
[12:01:59] <aventtini> so that means is installed?
[12:02:23] <aventtini> how we can see if it is
[12:03:37] <aventtini> fenn this py files must be instaled ?
[12:03:54] <aventtini> maybe they are not to be instaled
[12:04:06] <aventtini> just place in place
[12:04:20] <fenn> i don't know what it does with the file when it is installed
[12:05:23] <aventtini> #!/usr/bin/python
[12:05:33] <aventtini> this is in the top of the file
[12:05:50] <aventtini> but this place dont exist
[12:06:28] <pcw_home> what is the actual error message? does it state the path?
[12:07:00] <aventtini> custom.hal:5: execv(lube.py): No such file or directory
[12:07:00] <aventtini> custom.hal:5: lube.py exited without becoming ready
[12:07:00] <aventtini> 5663
[12:07:00] <aventtini> PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
[12:07:00] <aventtini> Stopping realtime threads
[12:07:01] <aventtini> Unloading hal components
[12:11:32] <fenn> looking at the halcompile source it looks like the file is installed one level up from wherever halcompile is, in bin/
[12:13:33] <aventtini> i have seen
[12:13:55] <fenn> it's probably easier to just put the full path to lube.py in your custom.hal
[12:14:11] <aventtini> #central lubrication
[12:14:11] <aventtini> loadusr -W lube.py
[12:14:11] <aventtini> net lube-run lube.run => hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-02
[12:14:11] <aventtini> net machine-is-enabled lube.machine_status <= motion.motion-enabled
[12:14:11] <aventtini> net spindle-on lube.spindle_status <= motion.spindle-on
[12:14:12] <aventtini> net lube-ps-float-sw lube.pressuresw_floatsw <= hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-14
[12:15:02] <fenn> change that to: loadusr -W /home/mikron/linuxcnc/lube.py
[12:15:04] <aventtini> loadusr -W /home/mikron/linuxcnc/lube.py
[12:15:38] <aventtini> one sec
[12:20:40] <aventtini> Debug file information:
[12:20:40] <aventtini> custom.hal:5: execv(/home/mikron/linuxcnc/lube.py): Permission denied
[12:20:40] <aventtini> custom.hal:5: /home/mikron/linuxcnc/lube.py exited without becoming ready
[12:20:40] <aventtini> 6199
[12:20:40] <aventtini> PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
[12:20:40] <aventtini> Stopping realtime threads
[12:20:41] <aventtini> Unloading hal components
[12:20:51] <fenn> doh
[12:21:17] <fenn> chmod a+x /home/mikron/linuxcnc/lube.py
[12:21:40] <aventtini> in termial ?
[12:22:03] <fenn> yes, you can probably see it in a file manager also under "properties" or something like that
[12:25:27] <aventtini> no such file
[12:25:31] <aventtini> :))))
[12:25:35] <aventtini> now
[12:26:51] <Jymmm> Chec the perms of the directory(s)
[12:26:54] <ganzuul> Are you using the LiveCD?
[12:27:01] <aventtini> no
[12:27:04] <aventtini> instal
[12:27:08] <aventtini> install
[12:28:08] <aventtini> nope
[12:28:09] <aventtini> same
[12:28:46] <aventtini> maybe for 2.6.10
[12:28:51] <aventtini> is a problem
[12:29:04] <aventtini> we have tried all the ways possible
[12:30:40] <aventtini> i have 9 h of solveing lube pump
[12:31:30] <fenn> get a chinese 3d printer as a consolation prize
[12:31:39] <aventtini> :)))))))))))))))))))
[12:31:42] <aventtini> no god
[12:31:47] <aventtini> :))
[12:32:02] <aventtini> i have solve the sin to ttl board and i cant solve a lube
[12:32:04] <aventtini> :)))))
[12:32:13] <aventtini> thats a downfall
[12:36:22] <Jymmm> When I search for "Silicon Dioxide" amazon returns "Diatomaceous Earth", is that right?
[12:36:37] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: probably not
[12:36:42] <fenn> it is made out of mostly silicon dioxide...
[12:36:43] <SpeedEvil> What are you actually looking for
[12:36:58] <SpeedEvil> It's as correct as returning butter when you ask it for carbon.
[12:37:40] <aventtini> :)))
[12:38:01] <Jymmm> Recipe for (Rutland 600) "Castable Refactory Cement"
[12:38:16] <Jymmm> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Rutland-Inc-600-Refractory-Cement-12.5-Lb/21583580
[12:38:17] <fenn> it's probably sand
[12:38:41] <Jymmm> MSDS says portland cement and silicon dioxide
[12:38:56] <fenn> they're just being cute
[12:39:05] <Jymmm> of course
[12:39:21] <fenn> it could also be fumed silica
[12:39:33] <Jymmm> They give CAS numbers
[12:42:04] <aventtini> i need to find some one that use this lube
[12:42:04] <SpeedEvil> Some sorts of sand is pretty pure SiO2
[12:42:30] <fenn> aventtini: zeeshan is usually in here but he's been busy lately
[12:43:02] <archivist> aventtini, how far did you get with a siggen
[12:44:01] <aventtini> i did not use it friend
[12:44:23] <aventtini> im in a mental block now whit this
[12:44:25] <archivist> if you dont try it you wont get far
[12:44:25] <aventtini> :))
[12:44:51] <aventtini> this one that i want to test is exacly like my setup
[12:45:11] <archivist> you are not making sense
[12:45:16] <aventtini> vogel oil pump
[12:45:26] <archivist> useless info
[12:45:35] <aventtini> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CentralizedLubricator
[12:45:40] <aventtini> this one arc
[12:46:02] <archivist> that is not relevant to how you program your hal file
[12:46:42] <aventtini> custom.hal
[12:46:58] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Interesting... http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/search?term=91053-39-3&interface=CAS%20No.&N=0+&mode=partialmax&lang=en&region=US&focus=product
[12:47:02] <archivist> the bit that matters is a pulse every 30 minutes of 30 secs duration
[12:47:07] <aventtini> you want me to use a sigg
[12:47:35] <archivist> you can set a sigggen to 30 minutes
[12:47:51] <aventtini> yes but this vogel pump knows when someting happends with the pipe and give a error
[12:48:10] <aventtini> like it has a presostat to 2 bar
[12:48:16] <aventtini> and then it stops
[12:48:51] <aventtini> the signal after the 2 bar
[12:49:22] <aventtini> im wrong ?
[12:49:38] <aventtini> its in the pump manual schematics
[12:49:43] <archivist> you can use it to drive a http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/oneshot.9.html
[12:50:09] <archivist> use classic ladder for logic
[12:50:26] <aventtini> still learning on that one
[12:50:28] <aventtini> :D
[12:50:40] <archivist> you can use an error signal to stop the machine
[12:51:22] <fenn> i would just turn on a light or raise a warning dialog
[12:52:23] <aventtini> its to advance for me this is 3 machine
[12:52:29] <aventtini> and still learning
[12:52:59] <aventtini> every machine has his own setup
[12:53:25] <aventtini> i will get a external time relay and make it manual
[12:53:51] <aventtini> no much head ake
[12:53:53] <archivist> siggen is easy to connect up
[12:54:15] <archivist> a lot easier than connecting hardware
[12:55:14] <aventtini> sure but the code is killing me
[12:55:41] <aventtini> i want to learn but this is to much for this week
[12:59:11] <archivist> rest, come back to it later
[13:00:50] <bobo> thought the vogel oil pump used the pressure switch to signal that pressure is now at the correct pressure for lub system
[13:01:19] <aventtini> yes
[13:01:49] <aventtini> machine is 98% ready
[13:01:50] <archivist> not an error message then
[13:02:20] <aventtini> if i know the autor of that i will ask
[13:02:45] <archivist> author of what
[13:02:48] <aventtini> i have seen all the hals on the forum and i did not see a example for that
[13:02:54] <aventtini> that comp on wiki
[13:03:02] <archivist> you dont need an example
[13:03:14] <aventtini> if i instal that i need to setup 1 in and one out
[13:03:17] <aventtini> so it simple
[13:03:19] <archivist> it produces a regular signal
[13:04:00] <aventtini> you never deal with this .py files ?
[13:04:10] <archivist> hell no
[13:04:11] <fenn> using a .py file is unusual
[13:04:28] <fenn> for hal stuff at least
[13:06:12] <fenn> i hate ladder but it seems like this is the sort of thing ladder logic was meant for
[13:06:22] <aventtini> yes
[13:07:00] <aventtini> this is unusual but some time this is the way
[13:07:14] <aventtini> PCW can know about this
[13:07:33] <aventtini> i can use iocontrol but it stay on not as timer
[13:07:35] <zeeshan|2> bobo i got vogel pump
[13:07:37] <zeeshan|2> they are nice!
[13:07:41] <zeeshan|2> seamlessly work
[13:07:51] <bobo> so it needs a start up time to pump up to correct pressure before an time out error happens
[13:07:57] <aventtini> zeeshan iluminate us on this
[13:08:21] <aventtini> yep
[13:08:35] <fenn> zeeshan|2: aventtini is trying to install your lube.py hal component
[13:08:43] <awallin> skunkworks: ok thanks for the info re backward-running-G-code - a friend was building a wire-EDM and was asking..
[13:09:06] <zeeshan|2> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/lube.py
[13:09:08] <zeeshan|2> this one?
[13:09:12] <aventtini> yess
[13:09:36] <zeeshan|2> let me read up
[13:10:07] <aventtini> ok
[13:11:48] <zeeshan|2> i dont see the problem
[13:11:49] <zeeshan|2> whats going on?
[13:11:58] <bobo> zeeshan 2: see if you can help aventtini . seems he may have a Mikron mill also , but he is not showing any photos of it
[13:12:11] <aventtini> photos
[13:12:12] <zeeshan|2> bobo
[13:12:15] <zeeshan|2> they're used in a lot of machines
[13:12:19] <aventtini> i have the prepared
[13:12:20] <aventtini> :)))
[13:12:22] <aventtini> and diy
[13:12:22] <zeeshan|2> other than deckel/maho/mikron
[13:12:24] <aventtini> made
[13:12:26] <zeeshan|2> emag for example uses them
[13:12:41] <zeeshan|2> and since they got taken over by skf
[13:12:46] <zeeshan|2> they're in american machines too
[13:12:56] <zeeshan|2> but everyone seems to have slightly different options
[13:12:59] <aventtini> i have mikrom maho and huron that will go to linuxcnc this week
[13:13:07] <zeeshan|2> nice!
[13:13:13] <zeeshan|2> send me a Z way cover for the mikron :D
[13:13:27] <aventtini> i did not see any example on users hals on lube
[13:13:36] <aventtini> this one is a wf51
[13:13:47] <zeeshan|2> okay very similar
[13:13:48] <zeeshan|2> just more travel
[13:14:00] <zeeshan|2> you just need to connect the pins:
[13:14:12] <zeeshan|2> lub.run to turn on a relay thjat turns on the pump
[13:14:35] <zeeshan|2> and input from the float + pressure switch
[13:14:55] <zeeshan|2> and itll take care of it in the background
[13:15:18] <zeeshan|2> basically the way i have it working on my machine is like this:
[13:15:43] <aventtini> ok so where do you put lube.py
[13:15:58] <aventtini> i have tryed to instal it
[13:16:02] <zeeshan|2> "if the machine is on AND the spindle is running AND there is no fault @ the pump (like pressure switch is not tripped after 10 seconds, or level float is tripped)"
[13:16:17] <zeeshan|2> then the lube runs for 10 seconds
[13:16:50] <zeeshan|2> man i forgot
[13:16:57] <zeeshan|2> i think ive made changes to lube.py
[13:16:59] <zeeshan|2> that one looks old
[13:17:06] <aventtini> :))
[13:17:06] <zeeshan|2> the pump only needs to run for 10 seconds
[13:17:10] <zeeshan|2> then idle for 8 min
[13:17:23] <aventtini> yes
[13:17:26] <zeeshan|2> because the way those drip lubricants work
[13:17:30] <aventtini> but that the end part
[13:17:31] <zeeshan|2> is you need to build pressure.
[13:17:34] <zeeshan|2> but asap the pump turns off
[13:17:42] <aventtini> where do you install that file
[13:17:46] <zeeshan|2> is actually when the drip things shoot a strream of fluid
[13:17:50] <zeeshan|2> . /usr/local/bin
[13:17:58] <zeeshan|2> i think
[13:18:00] <zeeshan|2> i can check in a few min
[13:19:38] <aventtini> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCUOEbf1TrA
[13:19:48] <bobo> aventtini what model Maho ? do they have tool changer ?
[13:19:53] <aventtini> 500c
[13:20:11] <aventtini> and just today i have found the original schematics of the philips scales
[13:20:12] <aventtini> :)
[13:20:16] <aventtini> get ready
[13:20:26] <aventtini> no tool changer
[13:21:03] <aventtini> bobo
[13:21:39] <aventtini> what do you need
[13:21:40] <aventtini> ?
[13:21:41] <bobo> "original schematics of the philips scales" you are ono luckey person
[13:21:50] <aventtini> i will post them dot worry
[13:21:53] <aventtini> dont
[13:21:55] <zeeshan-mill> yes it needs to be placed in /usr/local/bin
[13:23:22] <aventtini> and the edit the custom hal?
[13:23:27] <aventtini> and pin and it works
[13:23:33] <zeeshan-mill> okay the pump runs for 30 seconds
[13:23:40] <zeeshan-mill> and idles for 10 min
[13:23:55] <zeeshan-mill> ive only changed time.sleep(50) to time.sleep(20)
[13:24:21] <aventtini> ok then i will test in the morning and see
[13:24:33] <aventtini> i was trying to instal lube.py
[13:24:49] <aventtini> :)))))
[13:25:02] <zeeshan-mill> yea it should work
[13:25:11] <zeeshan-mill> as long as you have one output from your vogel pump
[13:25:15] <zeeshan-mill> which indicates fault
[13:25:31] <aventtini> from presostat right
[13:25:42] <zeeshan-mill> there should be two switches in series
[13:25:49] <aventtini> presure not reach
[13:25:58] <zeeshan-mill> pressure switch which goes ON when pressure is reached
[13:26:11] <zeeshan-mill> and float switch which goes ON if level is too low
[13:27:06] <zeeshan-mill> i might have that backwards..
[13:27:08] <aventtini> this lube.py you can instal via terminal ?
[13:27:23] <zeeshan-mill> yea
[13:27:30] <zeeshan-mill> just copy it into /usr/local/bin
[13:27:31] <aventtini> what command
[13:27:32] <aventtini> ?
[13:27:38] <aventtini> just currios
[13:27:42] <zeeshan-mill> and put those commands in the webpage
[13:27:44] <aventtini> i dont want comand
[13:27:44] <zeeshan-mill> into custom.hal
[13:27:52] <zeeshan-mill> oh you cant install it directly
[13:27:58] <zeeshan-mill> manually need to install
[13:28:03] <aventtini> aaaaaaaaaaaaa
[13:28:17] <aventtini> ok so no sudo comp -install lube.py
[13:28:21] <zeeshan-mill> yep
[13:28:40] <aventtini> =))) fuk that was a mess of a day
[13:28:42] <aventtini> :))
[13:28:45] <zeeshan-mill> hah
[13:28:53] <fenn> sudo cp /home/mikron/linuxcnc/lube.py /usr/local/bin
[13:29:00] <Jymmm> wth is "comp" anyway ?
[13:29:23] <aventtini> i have fond a example in the docs of linux
[13:29:30] <fenn> comp used to be a C preprocessor to simplify all the boilerplate code, but now it does a bunch of stuff
[13:29:32] <aventtini> by they
[13:29:42] <Jymmm> fenn: ah
[13:29:58] <fenn> basically it simplifies writing kernel modules that talk to hal
[13:30:36] <aventtini> zee
[13:30:37] <Jymmm> fenn: Is it s linux or linuxcnc thing?
[13:30:44] <fenn> linuxcnc
[13:30:44] <aventtini> #!/usr/bin/python
[13:31:13] <aventtini> python folder right
[13:31:13] <aventtini> ?
[13:31:30] <jdh> http://tinyurl.com/okjatu5 I have no need for one, but the price is right.
[13:31:43] <zeeshan-mill> http://ustre.am/1rDVc
[13:31:49] <zeeshan-mill> goinng live
[13:31:56] <zeeshan-mill> no
[13:32:06] <zeeshan-mill> mine is in usr/local/bin
[13:33:33] <fenn> a row of shiny colorful turds!
[13:33:55] <aventtini> i mean the title of the lube.pv says #!/usr/bin/python
[13:33:55] <fenn> actually it looks like soap bars
[13:34:04] <aventtini> niceee machine
[13:34:34] <Jymmm> fenn: Wait a sec, if comp is a c/c++ preprocessor, why would one be using a .py file on/with it?
[13:34:37] <aventtini> zee did you use the TNC board?
[13:34:52] <zeeshan-mill> no
[13:34:55] <aventtini> why
[13:34:56] <aventtini> ?
[13:35:00] <zeeshan-mill> too old
[13:35:04] <zeeshan-mill> and too expensive to make it work
[13:35:10] <zeeshan-mill> cheaper to use 7i77 and more modern
[13:35:40] <fenn> Jymmm: because comp is the standard way to make hal modules and you can also make non-realtime hal modules in python
[13:35:45] <aventtini> i have a 7i77 with the actual tnc board for TTL
[13:36:20] <Jymmm> fenn: Ok, but there is no mention of python (that I saw)... http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/comp.html
[13:37:01] <Jymmm> fenn: I see something about .comp files, not .py files.
[13:37:13] <aventtini> zee thats a good hex tool
[13:37:15] <fenn> zeeshan-mill: use a cordless drill with magnetic bit
[13:37:31] <aventtini> i have a sent of 8 for approx 10 years
[13:38:29] <aventtini> what did you do with the electrical gear changer?
[13:40:00] <fenn> where's the fast-forward button!!!
[13:40:09] <jdh> z: get an intern
[13:40:20] <Jymmm> fenn: << || >>
[13:40:46] <aventtini> he put a innvertor and stuck gearchange in hight gear
[13:40:59] <aventtini> no Hp in low rpm
[13:41:54] <zeeshan-mill> fen hahhaha
[13:42:08] <zeeshan-mill> i really need to get an extra long 5mm allen key
[13:42:17] <zeeshan-mill> and hook it up to a air ratchet
[13:42:33] <aventtini> :))
[13:43:22] <Jymmm> hammer-drill =)
[13:43:32] <aventtini> zee its same machine like my
[13:43:35] <aventtini> same table
[13:43:40] <aventtini> 1000x500
[13:44:09] <zeeshan-mill> yes but you have mor travel
[13:44:14] <zeeshan-mill> no im sure the 51 table is bigger
[13:44:19] <aventtini> no
[13:44:23] <aventtini> 500mm
[13:44:43] <aventtini> you did not use gear change ?
[13:44:49] <zeeshan-mill> no
[13:44:50] <zeeshan-mill> vfd
[13:45:18] <aventtini> and on low speeds?
[13:46:25] <aventtini> it can go faster then that
[13:46:34] <aventtini> 5000mm
[13:46:37] <aventtini> its set up
[13:46:45] <aventtini> on boach tr15 drive
[13:46:47] <aventtini> right?
[13:46:51] <zeeshan|2> no
[13:46:53] <zeeshan|2> amc servo drives
[13:47:01] <zeeshan|2> i converted it all for single phase
[13:47:10] <aventtini> aaa
[13:47:12] <aventtini> ok
[13:47:19] <aventtini> you are running at home
[13:47:23] <zeeshan|2> yes
[13:47:37] <jdh> what is the shape based on?
[13:47:46] <zeeshan|2> some clay model
[13:47:50] <zeeshan|2> the customer gave lol
[13:47:52] <aventtini> i will test it tomorrow lube and let you know
[13:47:59] <zeeshan|2> sounds good aventini it should work
[13:48:03] <aventtini> :)))
[13:48:05] <zeeshan|2> after u get it working, just tune the delay
[13:48:08] <zeeshan|2> for your needs
[13:48:12] <aventtini> yes sure
[13:48:43] <aventtini> whats the precision on it now on the retrofit
[13:48:44] <aventtini> ?
[13:48:53] <zeeshan|2> it can hold 0.0005 no problem
[13:49:10] <zeeshan|2> like i use circular interpolation
[13:49:14] <zeeshan|2> to do bearing pockets
[13:49:20] <zeeshan|2> and they work great
[13:49:29] <zeeshan|2> the precision comes from the heidenhain scales
[13:49:32] <aventtini> i got 0.001 micron
[13:49:36] <aventtini> on x
[13:49:45] <zeeshan|2> oh youre talking about dro precision
[13:49:45] <aventtini> and y 0.003 on y
[13:49:48] <zeeshan|2> 0.0001"
[13:49:58] <aventtini> with original HH
[13:50:02] <zeeshan|2> 0.003 on all axis
[13:50:10] <zeeshan|2> nice
[13:50:11] <aventtini> not bad
[13:50:24] <zeeshan|2> aventtini: can you get parts locally for mikron?
[13:50:25] <aventtini> i really like this machine its well made
[13:50:30] <aventtini> yes
[13:50:36] <zeeshan|2> im looking for the overboard support
[13:50:39] <aventtini> you need a sloting head ?
[13:50:41] <zeeshan|2> overarm they call it
[13:50:41] <aventtini> right>
[13:50:42] <aventtini> ?
[13:50:49] <zeeshan|2> for when youre doing horiziontal milling
[13:50:53] <zeeshan|2> and i also need z axis way cover
[13:51:02] <zeeshan|2> i think i might have found the z axis way cover though
[13:51:04] <zeeshan|2> its on a german site
[13:51:08] <aventtini> z cover is 700 euro
[13:51:14] <aventtini> new
[13:51:22] <zeeshan|2> i found it for 280 euro for my machine
[13:51:27] <zeeshan|2> but its a completely german site
[13:51:28] <aventtini> get ittttt
[13:51:31] <zeeshan|2> i dont know how to navigate!
[13:51:46] <aventtini> give me link i can order it if you want
[13:51:57] <aventtini> i have my sister in stuttgart
[13:52:39] <zeeshan|2> i will need to find the website again
[13:52:43] <zeeshan|2> not in my bookmark :{
[13:52:49] <aventtini> :))))
[13:52:56] <zeeshan|2> how do you way way cover in german again
[13:53:01] <zeeshan|2> f something
[13:53:12] <aventtini> one sec
[13:53:57] <bobo> are you also going to talk about precision level also ? for the want list
[13:56:03] <aventtini> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Z-Balg-fur-Deckel-FP-4A-NC-Frasmaschine-/380324297394?hash=item588d183ab2
[13:57:09] <fenn> ouch
[13:57:23] <fenn> could buy a small milling machine for that price
[13:57:32] <zeeshan|2> Loetmichel2: where are you
[13:57:36] <zeeshan|2> how do you say way cover in german!!
[13:57:44] <zeeshan|2> balg means bellow
[13:57:51] <zeeshan|2> i remember finding this site when searching for way cover in german
[13:58:55] <aventtini> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Z-Balg-fur-MIKRON-WF41C-51C-51D-61C-5DCM-Frasmaschine-/381423326020?hash=item58ce9a1344
[13:59:05] <zeeshan|2> too expensive :P
[13:59:27] <aventtini> http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_odkw=deckel+Balg&_osacat=12576&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmikron+Balg.TRS0&_nkw=mikron+Balg&_sacat=12576
[13:59:32] <aventtini> they are chepper
[13:59:37] <zeeshan|2> it wasnt on ebay :(
[14:00:04] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Z-Balg-fur-MIKRON-WF21C-D-WF31C-CH-D-DE-SA-WF32D-CH-Frasmaschine-/121561123097?hash=item1c4d9b8919
[14:00:08] <zeeshan|2> this is the one for my machine
[14:00:33] <zeeshan|2> fenn where do you buy extra long hex drivers
[14:00:33] <bobo> aventtini what would you think the going price is for a sloting head is ?
[14:00:34] <aventtini> and no VAT
[14:00:35] <zeeshan|2> on a saturday
[14:00:37] <aventtini> is 265
[14:00:53] <Jymmm> Inexpensive Castable Refractory Cement (2600 to 3000F) 5 to 55 lbs - http://www.hightemptools.com/castablerefractory.html
[14:00:58] <zeeshan|2> oh really?
[14:01:00] <aventtini> bobo i have pay 600 for the machine
[14:01:03] <zeeshan|2> so id be paying 260?
[14:01:11] <zeeshan|2> cause im in canada
[14:01:13] <aventtini> it 50 euro max
[14:01:43] <aventtini> come on 200 to be real
[14:01:54] <aventtini> but how use a sloting head
[14:02:01] <aventtini> when you can put a 4 axis
[14:02:07] <fenn> zeeshan|2: uh i'd just cut a ball end hex key with a grinder and put it in a cordless drill
[14:02:09] <aventtini> mikron has 4 axis
[14:02:16] <zeeshan|2> haha fenn
[14:02:18] <fenn> you still want to manually tighten to final torque
[14:02:19] <zeeshan|2> it wont reach
[14:02:45] <Wolf_Mill> tape it in to a socket wrench
[14:02:49] <zeeshan|2> i was thinking of a extra long hex driver
[14:02:55] <zeeshan|2> so i dont have to back and torque it
[14:03:02] <zeeshan|2> i still got 5 more sets to do
[14:03:04] <aventtini> just get a hex steel
[14:03:07] <aventtini> on 6mm
[14:03:10] <zeeshan|2> and gotta undo those bolts 5*4 times more
[14:03:12] <archivist> local car spares shop should have long series hex
[14:03:14] <aventtini> and make it log as you want
[14:03:14] <zeeshan|2> so its worth it
[14:03:21] <zeeshan|2> 5*5*2
[14:03:22] <fenn> you could put a 1/4 hex shank into a 1/4 socket on an extension bar
[14:03:41] <zeeshan|2> they are 5 mm
[14:03:56] <fenn> hex screwdriver bit
[14:03:57] <jdh> wow, people still use metric?
[14:04:03] <zeeshan|2> http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/25/25517af0-a120-4356-9715-681d8975fcba_400.jpg
[14:04:08] <Jymmm> jdh: weird, huh
[14:04:09] <zeeshan|2> i need something like this
[14:04:13] <zeeshan|2> but ithink those are too short
[14:04:20] <jdh> use and extender
[14:04:26] <bobo> 600 for machine . and 50 euro for sloting head?
[14:04:36] <fenn> socket extension is better because it has higher torsional stiffness
[14:04:41] <Wolf_Mill> zeeshan|2: lowes
[14:04:43] <jdh> do non.us hex key sets come with 7mm?
[14:04:47] <aventtini> yep
[14:04:49] <aventtini> :)
[14:05:09] <zeeshan|2> jdh i have 7mm in one of my sets
[14:05:19] <aventtini> i getting from scap yard before distoring take place on price per KG
[14:05:24] <jdh> I have one in a socket set.... only one I have
[14:05:57] <zeeshan|2> actually now that i think about it
[14:06:03] <zeeshan|2> i think i have a longer t-handle
[14:06:06] <zeeshan|2> than the one i was uising
[14:06:07] <Wolf_Mill> zeeshan|2: http://i.imgur.com/Zmamd4K.jpg set like that, but has hex driver bits
[14:06:13] <bobo> zeeshan harbor freight has extra long allen socket sets
[14:06:30] <Wolf_Mill> just add extension driver to it and yer good to go
[14:06:32] <zeeshan|2> bobo not near me...
[14:06:42] <bobo> crap
[14:06:50] <jdh> he has to use it 5x4 times more. will a HF one last that long?
[14:07:00] <fenn> canadian harbor freight is called princess auto
[14:07:27] <Jymmm> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-3-8-in-Drive-Metric-Long-Ball-Hex-Bit-Socket-Set-7-Piece-H3DMMLBBS7PC/202934858
[14:07:39] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[14:07:58] <aventtini> guys where did you get the HB04 i need 4 of them
[14:08:03] <aventtini> in eu or cn
[14:08:07] <aventtini> better in eu
[14:09:18] <aventtini> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mach3-senior-handwheel-MPG/687390044.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.134.x5oUdd&ws_ab_test=201556_10,201527_1_71_72_73_74_75,0_0
[14:09:22] <aventtini> man this is nice
[14:09:24] <aventtini> :)
[14:09:28] <aventtini> but no linux
[14:09:46] <aventtini> :(
[14:10:56] <aventtini> my problem with the HB04 is the lag when changing resolution
[14:11:25] <aventtini> you can easly put on 0,001 and it moves to 1 mm and it fuk up the touch probe
[14:11:31] <aventtini> 3 time happend
[14:11:39] <aventtini> 3 x 30 euo
[14:11:40] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[14:11:43] <zeeshan|2> thats not good
[14:11:43] <aventtini> euro
[14:12:18] <aventtini> it look profesional
[14:13:06] <zeeshan|2> bobo what are you upto :D
[14:13:18] <bobo> those homedepot hex sockets are the Ball end type which are nice but not as strong as the stright type
[14:14:29] <bobo> just watching , cat - rain -your mikron mach. milling away
[14:14:36] <zeeshan|2> haha
[14:14:42] <zeeshan|2> man i need to start cleaning garage
[14:14:47] <zeeshan|2> the lathe comes monday
[14:14:51] <zeeshan|2> i really hope i can get it to fit
[14:14:59] <zeeshan|2> im worried about the garage door
[14:15:28] <zeeshan|2> my garage door is 83"
[14:15:49] <zeeshan|2> i dont remember the actual dimensins
[14:16:03] <zeeshan|2> but the machine was shorter by .75" than the entrance of my door
[14:16:15] <fenn> just jack up the roof if it doesn't fit
[14:16:16] <zeeshan|2> itll JUST fit through the door
[14:16:24] <zeeshan|2> ?!?
[14:16:28] <fenn> joke
[14:16:30] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[14:16:31] <fenn> maybe
[14:16:35] <zeeshan|2> i might be able to remove this cover:
[14:16:39] <bobo> start loosening up garage door hardware now for the just in case moment
[14:17:12] <fenn> driveway is probably sloped so that will angle the machine as it's being forklifted in
[14:17:33] <fenn> could easily increase the height over, what 3 meters?
[14:17:42] <fenn> length of lathe enclosure
[14:18:29] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/6flBTOv.jpg
[14:18:30] <zeeshan|2> this cover
[14:18:37] <zeeshan|2> bobo it's not the actual door
[14:18:40] <zeeshan|2> its the opening for the door
[14:18:53] <Wolf_Mill> good thing is most forklifts have tilt
[14:18:53] <zeeshan|2> fen yes 5 degree slope
[14:19:12] <zeeshan|2> to me
[14:19:14] <zeeshan|2> it looks just like a cover
[14:19:15] <zeeshan|2> for some wires
[14:19:31] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/pFwfxFi.jpg
[14:19:33] <zeeshan|2> he will lift it from there
[14:19:41] <fenn> zeeshan|2: here's a super cheesy factory tour of nakamura tome: http://youtu.be/842qLSRe4Ms
[14:19:42] <zeeshan|2> so i dont have to worry about the fork thickness
[14:20:00] <zeeshan|2> fenn i saw that hahah
[14:20:04] <zeeshan|2> when i was purchasing
[14:20:07] <zeeshan|2> it helped secure the deal
[14:20:14] <zeeshan|2> when the guy gives his moto
[14:20:31] <fenn> your secondhand machine is environmentally friendly
[14:20:32] <aventtini> guys no info on the handwheel
[14:20:33] <aventtini> ?
[14:20:40] <aventtini> aliexpress
[14:20:40] <zeeshan|2> ROFL
[14:20:41] <aventtini> ?
[14:22:02] <zeeshan|2> no sorry :P
[14:23:50] <bobo> zeeshan think about using sheet metal skids to slide the machine into your garage
[14:24:12] <zeeshan|2> bobo the forklift should just make it inside
[14:24:17] <zeeshan|2> enough to nudge it into place
[14:24:25] <zeeshan|2> i will put it on skates after
[14:24:52] <zeeshan|2> i am going to spread soapy water
[14:25:20] <fenn> the finish pass takes off a lot of material
[14:25:32] <zeeshan|2> fenn haha
[14:25:44] <zeeshan|2> there is no finish pass :P
[14:25:50] <zeeshan|2> they are all roughing passes
[14:25:57] <zeeshan|2> he does the finishing by hand
[14:26:01] <bobo> forget the water just use liquid soap
[14:26:12] <aventtini> guys Membrane Keyboard for linuxcnc will have a good sale impact on custom pannels
[14:26:13] <aventtini> ?
[14:26:15] <fenn> first it's a rough contour and then a finer contour
[14:26:27] <zeeshan|2> fenn: yes
[14:26:32] <zeeshan|2> in some spots it takes a lot of material
[14:26:35] <zeeshan|2> but to be honest man
[14:26:40] <zeeshan|2> its a lot of code to dig through and customize
[14:26:45] <zeeshan|2> its working so ive left it alone
[14:26:58] <zeeshan|2> if i make any changes onto the code now, ill have to be there to monitor
[14:28:14] <fenn> outsource it to #linuxcnc :P
[14:28:30] <fenn> "someone watch my program kthxbye"
[14:28:39] <zeeshan|2> haha
[14:28:57] <zeeshan|2> im kinda sick of this job to be honest
[14:29:06] <zeeshan|2> ive machined 35 so far
[14:29:16] <zeeshan|2> i got another 35 to go
[14:29:25] <zeeshan|2> i just want it done, and i wont be making more for another 3 months
[14:29:28] <zeeshan|2> cause i want time to work on my car
[14:29:31] <zeeshan|2> and lathe
[14:30:09] <zeeshan|2> or was it 25 more. forget :P
[14:35:04] <bobo> zeeshan but you will have a good reasion to laugh all the way to the bank when they are done
[14:36:10] <PetefromTn_> heh
[14:36:11] <zeeshan|2> bobo im bitter because he made a lot of changes in the way
[14:36:22] <zeeshan|2> which caused me to go back and have to spend a lot of time on the model and cam code
[14:36:30] <zeeshan|2> theres around 50 hours i spent
[14:36:36] <zeeshan|2> that i basically _had_ to do
[14:36:44] <zeeshan|2> its my own fault
[14:36:54] <zeeshan|2> i should be very clear in the future that changes will cost additional money.
[14:37:01] <zeeshan|2> he recently wanted more changes to the surface
[14:37:09] <zeeshan|2> i told him straight up, can't do it unless he wants to pay more
[14:37:43] <zeeshan|2> hi pete
[14:37:47] <zeeshan|2> im broadcasting live! :P
[14:37:55] <zeeshan|2> its kind of a boring stream :P
[14:38:17] <PetefromTn_> hey zeeshan
[14:38:26] <PetefromTn_> where?
[14:38:35] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/cVvMnd6DAG2
[14:38:47] <zeeshan|2> coming up to a tool change
[14:38:54] <zeeshan|2> most interesting part inthe last hour :P
[14:39:24] <PetefromTn_> Ooh the Venus Demilo1
[14:39:51] <zeeshan|2> haha
[14:39:54] <PetefromTn_> I have a bunch of plate I have to machine this week
[14:40:00] <PetefromTn_> gotta make 13 parts
[14:40:04] <zeeshan|2> what kind of plates
[14:40:12] <PetefromTn_> so I need to buy a nice facemill finally
[14:40:20] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[14:40:21] <PetefromTn_> exhaust flanges we designed
[14:40:38] <zeeshan|2> you really sound happy
[14:40:42] <zeeshan|2> about this new shop work
[14:40:43] <PetefromTn_> already got paid in full for the job
[14:40:43] <zeeshan|2> im glad to see that
[14:40:56] <aventtini> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/LinuxCNC-EMC2-ethernet-4-Axis-max-3MHz-pulse-motion-control-card-20-input-IO-8-output/32468176459.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.2.hatTPl&ws_ab_test=201556_10,201527_1_71_72_73_74_75,0_0
[14:41:00] <zeeshan|2> what face mill are you thinking about getting?
[14:41:03] <PetefromTn_> well I am struggling to learn it but I must say it is kinda fun
[14:41:18] <zeeshan|2> tool change time:D
[14:41:19] <PetefromTn_> well I want a 45 degree one
[14:42:01] <fenn> wow aliexpress is advertising to linuxcnc now?
[14:43:48] <Jymmm> Not sure if I want to buy from someone named "Dick Su" though
[14:44:16] <zeeshan-mill> why 45 deg
[14:44:59] <zeeshan-mill> haha jymm
[14:45:05] <PetefromTn_> well either a 45 degree or an octomill type. I think they enter and exit smoother mostly
[14:45:27] <zeeshan-mill> are you hogging a lot of material?
[14:45:27] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: What can I say *shrug*
[14:46:07] <PetefromTn_> mmh could be ;)
[14:47:02] <Jymmm> Max four cards, 4 axis per card = 16 Axis???
[14:47:09] <PetefromTn_> was looking at those glacern facemills. the FH45 or whatever
[14:47:29] <zeeshan-mill> made in usa?
[14:47:38] <PetefromTn_> no clue
[14:48:21] <PetefromTn_> the facemill itself is only like $129.00 but their arbors and inserts are stupid expensive
[14:48:34] <zeeshan-mill> have you considered ebay
[14:48:50] <PetefromTn_> sure
[14:48:59] <zeeshan-mill> i really like the mitsubishi ajx series
[14:49:04] <zeeshan-mill> i bet you could get it cheap
[14:49:05] <zeeshan-mill> w/ arbor
[14:49:16] <zeeshan-mill> theres a lot good used seco ones too
[14:49:23] <PetefromTn_> kind of afriad to buy a used one because people crash the shit out of them and they never work right after that..
[14:49:24] <zeeshan-mill> lots of demo vides
[14:52:23] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NICE-3-VALENITE-45-INDEXABLE-FACE-MILL-W-CAT-40-ADAPTER-STOCK-A50-/171945489549?hash=item2808bff48d This looks pretty nice
[14:54:38] <zeeshan-mill> sexy!
[14:54:47] <zeeshan-mill> walter valenite makes good stuff
[14:55:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am tempted to buy that one
[15:00:27] <aventtini> yap
[15:00:30] <aventtini> fenn
[15:00:44] <aventtini> it look to good to be true
[15:01:08] <fenn> is your pump pumping?
[15:01:23] <aventtini> not yet in the morning
[15:01:29] <aventtini> in 11 pm
[15:01:48] <aventtini> its
[15:01:55] <aventtini> :)
[15:01:56] <fenn> oh are you talking about the MotCAT card?
[15:02:00] <aventtini> i cant wait
[15:02:02] <aventtini> yes
[15:02:46] <aventtini> i got a 10v to puls dir connvertor
[15:02:49] <aventtini> this week
[15:07:37] <zeeshan-mill> yes
[15:07:40] <zeeshan-mill> found a longer t handle
[15:07:41] <zeeshan-mill> yay
[15:08:40] <fenn> sounds like they heated up a bit
[15:09:51] <aventtini> guy what PC are you useing
[15:09:59] <aventtini> i mean like in size
[15:10:08] <aventtini> i nead someting small and compact
[15:12:45] <aventtini> http://www.diytrade.com/china/pd/11413427/Embedded_Car_PC_with_Atom_N270_CPU_with_PCI_Embedded_Industrial_PC.html
[15:12:54] <aventtini> what do you think on this
[15:12:57] <aventtini> small cpu?
[15:13:39] <fenn> aventtini: H81 or H97 motherboard was recommended
[15:13:59] <aventtini> what do you men h81
[15:13:59] <aventtini> ?
[15:14:24] <fenn> that's its name
[15:15:28] <fenn> maybe pcw_home can provide more specific model numbers
[15:16:04] <aventtini> its small
[15:16:05] <pcw_home> N270 is really old and slow
[15:16:40] <aventtini> right now im using some duo2core from dell
[15:16:44] <aventtini> they work perfect
[15:17:12] <aventtini> but need some rack mount or someting to look profesional
[15:17:16] <pcw_home> for a modern fanless system I would chose a J1800,J1900,J2900 Celeron, Pentium
[15:18:03] <pcw_home> Core duos are fine typically (I have a E8500 as my desktop/linuxcnc test host)
[15:18:53] <aventtini> works good on 3mhz
[15:20:05] <aventtini> i wood be temted to test some xenons
[15:23:03] <pcw_home> I wouls chose one of the rack mount J1800,1900 etc no D270s,330,D525s,d2800,d2550 they are just too slow
[15:27:03] <aventtini> thats a small board
[15:27:06] <aventtini> nice
[15:27:12] <aventtini> and the fan system
[15:27:12] <aventtini> ?
[15:27:38] <aventtini> J1800 is onli for 6i77
[15:27:42] <aventtini> 6i25
[15:29:02] <pcw_home> some have PCI:
[15:29:03] <pcw_home> http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5355#ov
[15:30:05] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128698
[15:30:48] <aventtini> not bad good stuff
[15:31:37] <pcw_home> a little bigger
[15:31:39] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565&cm_re=j1900-_-13-157-565-_-Product
[15:31:58] <aventtini> this china stuff a external supply i see
[15:32:47] <aventtini> i will get one and test
[15:32:55] <pcw_home> a little bigger and needs a fan but very good performance:
[15:32:57] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157512
[15:32:59] <aventtini> i fad up on space an wires
[15:33:44] <aventtini> this home desktops are large and unprofesional look when you open the cabine
[15:33:47] <aventtini> cabinet
[15:37:27] <PetefromTn_> what no parts running in cyberspace???!!!! Zeeshan you had better get movin if you want to finish the venus demilo's LOL
[15:43:52] <PetefromTn_> is it me or does nobody ever post any great machine deals on my local craigslist? Its always three states away or something SIGH
[15:44:34] <aventtini> pcw whats the influance on a servo system on large files like 10 mb of gecode
[15:45:10] <aventtini> like 0.01mm and 800 feed
[15:45:28] <aventtini> pc moves fast based on cpu
[15:45:39] <fenn> PetefromTn_: the south never had much of an industrial base, and machinery doesn't like to take road trips
[15:46:10] <bobo> pete I hear some noise in zeeshans shop , might be the cat looking for canopener
[15:46:30] <fenn> he's fighting with stuck mandrels i bet
[15:47:23] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[15:47:36] <PetefromTn_> Venus is kickin' the poor guys ass methinks ;)
[15:47:57] <pcw_home> aventtini: I dont think the CPU speed has much to do with gcode processing speed (normally there is enough horsepower for this)
[15:47:58] <pcw_home> (though the backplot may take a long time on slow CPUs/big gcode files)
[15:49:05] <pcw_home> faster CPUs _will_ allow faster servo update rates especially if you have a complicated hal setup (with Classic ladder etc)
[15:49:57] <aventtini> ok so not good on small cpu
[15:50:26] <fenn> CPU improvements get swamped by bad realtime performance though
[15:50:46] <fenn> the important parameter is the rate (frequency) of the realtime servo thread
[15:51:20] <fenn> it doesn't matter if your cpu is twice as fast if you get 100x random lag
[15:51:26] <pcw_home> So if you need 2 or 4 KHz update rates because you want very high performance or want to control torque mode drives even a J1800 is a bit slow
[15:51:27] <pcw_home> (but for normal systems 1 KHz is fine)
[15:53:55] <pcw_home> fenn: that has not been my experience, some things like classic ladder are real CPU hogs and need a faster CPU
[15:53:56] <pcw_home> if you try to run a complex HAL file on a older Atom like a D525 (that shows excellent latency test results)
[15:53:58] <pcw_home> you will find that you are limited to about a 1.5 KHz maximum servo thread period
[15:54:58] <fenn> maybe classicladder should run in its own thread then
[15:55:05] <pcw_home> 8Khz is easy on a G32XX pentium (with latency figures that match the Atom)
[15:55:12] <aventtini> normal hals
[15:55:17] <aventtini> no special stuff
[15:55:34] <pcw_home> of course the G32xx is about 5x as fast as a D525
[15:55:44] <aventtini> i stresd out with room and space
[15:55:55] <aventtini> and i have seen some atoms 1.6
[15:56:03] <fenn> what's the highest servo frequency you've seen actually being used in a linuxcnc machine?
[15:56:04] <aventtini> that are compact and not expenive
[15:56:38] <aventtini> the standard one
[15:56:39] <pcw_home> about 10 KHz
[15:56:51] <fenn> was it a laser?
[15:57:07] <pcw_home> Just a test setup
[15:59:09] <pcw_home> 1 KHz should be fine for a velocity mode drive (this includes step/dir)
[15:59:10] <pcw_home> unless you have a combination of unusually high accel and high accuracy
[16:00:25] <pcw_home> for laser modulation the solution is not a higher servo thread rate but a hardware bitspitter
[16:02:41] <fenn> but lasers also accelerate quickly and have high precision
[16:03:46] <aventtini> i have set up usually speed on 80-120 and acel on 90-250
[16:04:56] <Jymmm> http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014060402_Intel_announces_new_unlocked_desktop_CPUs.html
[16:05:00] <Deejay> gn8
[16:09:54] <pcw_home> You can calculate the chord errors based on a fixed velocity update rate and its pretty small even for 1G accel (less than 100 uinch IICRC)
[16:10:44] <pcw_home> pretty hard to have mechanics so good that deflections at 1 G are smaller
[16:12:11] <pcw_home> (at 1 KHz)
[16:13:30] <pcw_home> The error is inversely proportional to the square of the servo thread rate so 2 KHz gets you to 25 uinch so even 4 KHz is silly
[16:13:34] <Loetmichel> hmm, my wallet has a 58 weeks backlog... seems i didnt do much with BTC lately ;)
[16:14:35] <fenn> so less than 1kHz is really really bad?
[16:14:46] <XXCoder> anyone else bought 3d printer for really cheap? lol
[16:14:57] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Buddy of mine had a scary thought
[16:15:03] <malcom2073> What if they send us boxes of cinderblocks?
[16:15:05] <pcw_home> well 500 Hz is ok for moderate performance step/dir systems
[16:15:14] <malcom2073> Can't return it, costs too much, and you have to return it to get a refund if it's not "as described"
[16:15:27] <XXCoder> that is possible
[16:15:35] <malcom2073> Yep. I bought two :-D I might get two boxes of cinderblocks
[16:15:48] <XXCoder> hey you can build a shelf with it. :D
[16:15:56] <malcom2073> Indeedy
[16:16:02] <XXCoder> mine isnt so useful.
[16:16:39] <malcom2073> I'm still hoping it either is real, or is the whole "accidently click received" scam
[16:16:56] <XXCoder> actually I also bought projector, hey I can build a shelf too! lol
[16:17:16] <malcom2073> Nice heh
[16:17:44] <pcw_home> most stepmotor cnc systems will not do 1G, closer to 1/10 to 1/4 G though I guess very light system like laser plotters and 3D printer can have high accels
[16:22:10] <aventtini> un the itx power supply must be 400w
[16:25:40] <pcw_home> unless you have a game machine with a fancy video card 400W is a bit crazy
[16:26:12] <Loetmichel> PCW: my big wooden CNC did about 0,1g
[16:26:19] <pcw_home> My H97/G3258 system draws less than 70W
[16:26:49] <Loetmichel> about 1000mm/s^2
[16:27:12] <pcw_home> Yeah thats in the normal CNC range, I think some fast laser cutters do a couple Gs
[16:28:05] <Loetmichel> funnily it could do ACCELERATING with 10000mm/s^2
[16:28:31] <Loetmichel> but braking wasnt in it, it would lose steps there unless you go down to at least 0,2g
[16:28:39] <Loetmichel> so i settled for 0,1g ;)
[16:29:24] <aventtini> liniar encoders us 280mA per unit x3
[16:29:57] <pcw_home> step motor systems can often accel and decell fast at slow speeds but not at higher speeds due to torque loss
[16:31:32] <aventtini> so 200w is not ok for the 5 v supply
[16:31:40] <pcw_home> linuxcnc coudl probabl have a bit better performance on low end systems if G0 maxaccel was able to be different than G1,G2 etc maxaccel
[16:32:57] <pcw_home> aventtini: I have J1900 system with DC power and its less than 30W
[16:33:07] <fenn> 4.2W?
[16:33:11] <aventtini> i will get a ITX and test
[16:33:13] <aventtini> yes
[16:33:29] <aventtini> i got the 5v from pc supply
[16:33:32] <aventtini> supply
[16:33:44] <fenn> 4.2 is less than 200
[16:34:12] <fenn> you could run them off USB even
[16:34:41] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/hajo/Hpstepfail.avi <- sorry for shaky had camera. that was 70mm/s with 1000mm/s^2 accel and 100mm/s with the same
[16:34:43] <aventtini> i had some bad experiance with runways
[16:34:53] <Loetmichel> on 100mm/s the drivers failed
[16:35:01] <Loetmichel> not a problem of the machine tho
[16:35:15] <Loetmichel> was remedied with new software in the HPstep drivers
[16:35:16] <aventtini> and i want to be safe
[16:36:17] <Contract_Pilot> Got the PSU for the G0704 today... Wow it is a Tank not bad for 40.00 Shipped! www.ebay.com/itm/271968689926
[16:37:45] <aventtini> this is what i want to make for my machine http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mach3-4-EMC2-CNC-Touch-Screen-Control-Panel-15WLP-by-MACH-MATE-/171925691155?hash=item280791db13
[16:38:12] <aventtini> looks good
[16:38:14] <aventtini> right
[16:39:23] <aventtini> slim
[16:39:52] <aventtini> 7$ keyboard
[16:40:01] <Loetmichel> Contract_Pilot: thats my stepper driver setup for the big machine: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=7177&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[16:40:03] <aventtini> 3$ buttons
[16:40:12] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=7174
[16:40:21] <Loetmichel> ... not very pretty but worked well ;)
[16:40:47] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=7180
[16:40:51] <fenn> aventtini: wonder what the mouse is for
[16:40:52] <aventtini> its not bad
[16:41:40] <fenn> the keyboard angle should be adjustable
[16:41:48] <aventtini> yes
[16:42:07] <aventtini> im not a fan off mach3
[16:42:40] <aventtini> with pc inside is perfect
[16:47:37] <Loetmichel> aventtini: i crammed a pc and the drivers inside the bed of a small machine...
[16:47:53] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13131
[16:47:58] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13143
[16:48:12] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13107
[16:48:29] <Loetmichel> ... not so pretty fromthe underside: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13149
[16:48:33] <Loetmichel> but i got it all in ;)
[16:49:21] <Loetmichel> upper compartment left: stepper driver, right PSU for 12V spindle and stepper drivers
[16:50:03] <Loetmichel> lower compartment is the industrial P4 board, the backplane and beind the wood on the left is the 240W PSU ;)
[16:50:27] <aventtini> i have large milling machine that im converting
[16:50:34] <aventtini> for mold use
[16:50:43] <aventtini> it must work and look perfect
[16:50:47] <Loetmichel> ok
[16:50:57] <Loetmichel> thats a whole other ballpark then ;()
[16:50:59] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[16:52:29] <aventtini> yes i have started with a similar setup like yours
[16:53:04] <Loetmichel> its not mine
[16:53:21] <Loetmichel> i made it from "parts laying around" for a co-worker
[16:53:29] <Loetmichel> still not entierely finished tho
[16:53:42] <Loetmichel> have to fit the z axis and the spindle and wire the whole thing
[16:55:22] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12846 <- thats the spindle btw. 12V 21A, 30krpm, shaft of a Proxxon FBS230 (german dremel-loke tool)
[16:55:42] <Loetmichel> including the surprisuingly precise 1/8" collets
[16:56:58] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12821&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- very simple and cheap thing but works really well on the mill of another friend
[16:57:07] <Loetmichel> ... if you have vast amounts of power at 12V ;)
[16:57:35] <Loetmichel> the brushed motor even has an internal fan and dosent overheat
[16:59:41] <Contract_Pilot> loet, yea thats large
[17:00:04] <Loetmichel> large?
[17:01:20] <Contract_Pilot> the troid
[17:01:52] <Loetmichel> troid?
[17:02:14] <Loetmichel> toroid?
[17:02:28] <Loetmichel> thats only a 800W 30V toroid
[17:02:41] <Loetmichel> in the HPStep compartment
[17:02:47] <Loetmichel> if you mean that one
[17:03:57] <Loetmichel> thats the whole machine... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4935&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[17:05:24] <Contract_Pilot> Only using 2 of the 3 on my lathe http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/driverack-inside.jpg
[17:06:02] <Contract_Pilot> 5A 80V ea
[17:09:46] <Loetmichel> Contract_Pilot: i made an 80V 20A AC servo drive for a friend once...
[17:10:12] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4766&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[17:10:26] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4763&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[17:10:46] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4760&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[17:10:47] <Loetmichel> :-)
[17:11:07] <Contract_Pilot> Cool
[17:13:44] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, that one i got off ebay No Load volts is about 56V
[17:21:14] <Contract_Pilot> bleeder resistor... need to remember the formula!
[17:26:05] <fenn> remember not to hold the resistor when you connect the power
[17:28:56] <pcw_home> especially if you get the value too low
[17:30:32] <Jymmm> Anybody have security cameras?
[17:30:46] <Wolf_Mill> i does
[17:30:59] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: Any recommendations?
[17:31:27] <Wolf_Mill> application dependent
[17:31:48] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: I found muddy footsteps on the back porch
[17:32:35] <Wolf_Mill> I have a cheap 8 cam zmodo dvr + cams, good enough to spot ups packages on the front porch or car in the drive, but cant make out faces very well on them
[17:34:23] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: better / worse than any of these? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JKB70WG?psc=1
[17:35:03] <Wolf_Mill> what is it? not gonna open a amazon link while i'm milling lol
[17:35:44] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: Um.... "[Crazy Deals] Annke 8CH 960H DVR + 4 900TVL Superior Night Vision IR Cut Leds Outdoor Video Surveillance CCTV Camera System (960H/D1, HDMI/VGA/BNC Output, Weatherproof Housing, P2P Technology/E-Cloud Service, Smartphone QR Code Scan Quick Access, PC Easy Remote Access, No HDD)"
[17:38:51] <Wolf_Mill> might work ok, my dvr does D1 but the cams are cheap, but I have had the thing 4-5 years now too...
[17:40:06] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: Ah, I'm kinda clueless on what's out there. I know wide/narrow angles can be an issue, especially when sellers don't give camera details.
[17:40:16] <Jymmm> usually assume the worse =)
[17:40:38] <Jymmm> * Built in 3.6mm Lens for wide view angle
[17:40:39] <Wolf_Mill> well, overall most cmos cams suck
[17:41:00] <Jymmm> compared to?
[17:58:07] <SpeedEvil> Wolf_Mill: CMOS cameras today are amongst the best imagers.
[17:58:28] <SpeedEvil> that may have been true many years ago, but the better ones have gotten a lot better
[17:58:58] <SpeedEvil> sony effio-p are one of the best chipsets around at the moment
[17:59:05] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, which isnt whats in the $300 dvr bundles lol
[18:00:06] <SpeedEvil> quite
[18:01:07] <SpeedEvil> effio-e is pretty good though
[18:01:10] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=%22effio-p%22+sony&LH_PrefLoc=2&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X%22effio-e%22+sony.TRS0&_nkw=%22effio-e%22+sony&_sacat=0
[18:01:28] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/700TVL-SONY-CCD-Effio-E-OSD-Menu-Control-free-3-6mm-lens-CCTV-COLOR-Camera639-/151777480123?hash=item2356a48dbb
[18:07:38] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: OSD? But the controls are on the camera?!
[18:22:34] <furrywolf> I bought a lathe at a yard sale today.
[18:24:13] <furrywolf> http://www.harborfreight.com/7-inch-x-12-inch-precision-mini-lathe-93799.html
[18:24:13] <zeeshan|2> which one
[18:24:14] <zeeshan|2> pics
[18:24:36] <furrywolf> it was $60, essentially brand new, with accessories. looks like it's been used once.
[18:25:03] <furrywolf> obviously not the lathe I'm really looking for, but for that price figured why not. :P
[18:25:22] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: ?
[18:25:34] <furrywolf> also picked up a pair of pioneer hpm-40 speakers, and a box of assorted hand tools, with some nice snapon etc in it.
[18:26:07] <Jymmm> spline: the 2nd link is a camera module with OSD (on screen display), but the controls are on the pcb
[18:26:18] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: the 2nd link is a camera module with OSD (on screen display), but the controls are on the pcb
[18:26:50] <zeeshan|2> nice furry
[18:26:54] <zeeshan|2> thats a handy small lahe to have
[18:26:56] <Jymmm> furrywolf: nice find (hopefully)
[18:26:59] <zeeshan|2> esp[ecially for $60
[18:27:06] <SpeedEvil> the camera chipset integrates the OSD
[18:27:18] <SpeedEvil> No, the controls are on a little pendant that the composite also goes to
[18:27:24] <furrywolf> unfortunately I stupidly put my finger through the foam on one of the speakers... bleh. means the foam was old and would soon need replacing anyway, but it didn't have any holes until I went "whoops".
[18:27:32] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: ah
[18:27:36] <SpeedEvil> The white connectors don't show at all on the pictures
[18:27:45] <furrywolf> I set it on the table on my milling machine. it covers less than 1/3rd of the mill's table. :P
[18:28:18] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: oh,, inline control pad?
[18:28:51] <furrywolf> the entire machine is substantially smaller than the machining area of my mill.
[18:29:10] <Jymmm> furrywolf: yard sale or flea market?
[18:29:10] <fenn> then it will be easy to fix
[18:29:33] <furrywolf> yard sale.
[18:29:39] <Jymmm> cool
[18:29:45] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> I bought a lathe at a yard sale today.
[18:32:14] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: how much?
[18:33:10] <XXCoder> whats lathe workspace? diameter and such
[18:33:15] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> it was $60, essentially brand new, with accessories. looks like it's been used once.
[18:35:24] <furrywolf> XXCoder: <furrywolf> http://www.harborfreight.com/7-inch-x-12-inch-precision-mini-lathe-93799.html
[18:35:56] <XXCoder> cheap but hey $60!
[18:35:59] <SpeedEvil> In 99.999% of circumstances, that's a bargain.
[18:36:01] <PetefromTn_> I'm thinking I am gonna get this glacern FM45 facemill. Just gotta decide which to get the 3" or the 4" diameter model?
[18:37:19] <furrywolf> less than ten cents on the dollar, and it really looks like it's only been used once.
[18:37:50] <furrywolf> it has some chips on it, but they're all the same, looks like one cut... and the whole thing is still slimed in that annoying yellow chinese don't-rust-on-the-boat-to-the-US grease.
[18:38:15] <furrywolf> came with the unused center, drill chuck, and set of thread gears in a box.
[18:38:40] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: nice, you deserve a break.
[18:39:24] <furrywolf> what I really want is a nice big lathe...
[18:40:33] <SpeedEvil> Turn one!
[18:40:40] <SpeedEvil> (yes, I know)
[18:46:05] <furrywolf> I hate that yellow chinese rust prevention grease. heh.
[18:53:38] <PetefromTn_> https://www.maritool.com/Indexable-Tooling-45%C2%B0-Square-Insert-Shell-Mill/c50_110/p665/Shell-Mill-45deg-X-3.15-dia/product_info.html
[18:57:05] <Loetmichel> furrywolf: on my machines it was b right red
[18:58:14] <pcw_home> don't b wrong b right?
[18:58:40] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Nice find
[19:00:17] <pcw_home> I have one of those lathes (a bit rubbery but it works)
[19:02:49] <furrywolf> PCW: yesterday there was a product suggestion... you need to make a board with small-signal analog inputs for interfacing glass scales and similar devices to without extra hardware.
[19:04:04] <pcw_home> we tried using the ICHAUS chip it works but is a PITA to use
[19:05:44] <pcw_home> you could use a STM32F302 or something with a fast A-D for a single channel its not really a project I'm interested in now
[19:05:49] <furrywolf> does it need a special chip, or just instrument amps and a/d converters?
[19:06:15] <pcw_home> fast A-D (probably 10 MS/sec or better)
[19:07:09] <pcw_home> and then processing, probably best to use a flash A-D and a FPGA for a 4 channel solution
[19:07:34] <furrywolf> hrmm, didn't realize it was that fast.
[19:07:52] <furrywolf> I think it was ssi who pointed out four people have asked about such a product in the last few weeks. :)
[19:08:24] <pcw_home> also 2 channels simultaneous sampling per scale
[19:18:08] <zeeshan-mill> lalalala
[19:18:24] <pcw_home> 54 nails, that was a trial
[19:18:40] <furrywolf> ?
[19:19:06] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[19:19:12] <pcw_home> 3 buns 18 nails each
[19:19:29] <zeeshan-mill> furrywolf, whats wrong with the idp101
[19:19:29] <pcw_home> not liking it either
[19:19:30] <zeeshan-mill> cards
[19:21:06] * furrywolf has no clue what pcw is talking about
[19:21:39] <furrywolf> zeeshan|2: dunno, when you send me a machine with glass scales, I'll let you know. :P
[19:24:29] <pcw_home> bunniez
[19:25:12] <furrywolf> ah
[19:25:58] <pcw_home> nail trimming day is not liked by man nor beast
[19:26:19] <furrywolf> hrmm, are you sure you need to sample that quickly? the idp101 only goes up to 200khz it looks like, and since you'd be able to read the analog signals directly rather than counting interpolated pulses, as long as you don't miss more than half a grating you should be fine...
[19:26:51] <furrywolf> actually, idp101 is only 50hz
[19:27:46] <pcw_home> Depends on the scale and how accurate you intend to be at speed, the ICHAUS chips are 70 MSPS IICRC
[19:28:16] <furrywolf> can linuxcnc's motion even deal with inputs that fast? lol
[19:29:13] <pcw_home> faster/high res encoders use serial interfaces (SSI,BISS etc)
[19:31:23] <pcw_home> imagine a fairly fast scale (say 1 MHZ sin/cos signals) how often do you need to sample those to get 32X interpolation at speed?
[19:32:47] <pcw_home> (without sub-cycle aliasing because of beats between the sample rate and the data rate)
[19:33:28] <furrywolf> you don't need interpolation... you're not trying to emulate a quadrature encoder, as the mesa board gives a count directly to the motion stuff... so I'd say 2MSPS minimum.
[19:33:58] <pcw_home> you _do_ need interpolation
[19:34:10] <magnifikus> http://snag.gy/7FXUP.jpg maybe i try the fpga/trinamic driver combination
[19:34:17] <furrywolf> hrmm. then I'm mis-understanding something here. entirely possible. :)
[19:34:39] <furrywolf> why can't you just look at its current analog level, and as long as you haven't missed an entire cycle, know the current position from that?
[19:34:40] <pcw_home> if you didn't you might as well use 2 comparators
[19:35:23] <furrywolf> you don't need to keep track of the minute signal changes between the last position and the current position, as the current level tells you exactly where it is, as long as you didn't miss an entire grating.
[19:35:45] <SpeedEvil> pcw_home: you need 2MHz
[19:35:51] <pcw_home> well than you dont have an interpolator
[19:35:55] <SpeedEvil> pcw_home: unless your accelleration is high
[19:36:11] <SpeedEvil> pcw_home: how fast can it change speed in 1us
[19:36:18] <furrywolf> the goal isn't an interpolator... the goal is getting your current position into linuxcnc's motion control. :)
[19:36:23] <SpeedEvil> unless you're actually dealing with impacting high explosives, ...
[19:37:10] <furrywolf> interpolating analog into emulated quadrature then counting that is an extra step...
[19:37:17] <pcw_home> has nothing to do with acceleration
[19:38:52] <pcw_home> has to do with interpolation beats because you are not accurately interpolating at speed
[19:39:50] <SpeedEvil> pcw_home: you can perfectly interpolate between pulses - apart from accelleration
[19:39:51] <furrywolf> say you have a quadrature encoder... how often does the motion control actually look at the current count? what's the upper limit on how quickly it's useful to update it?
[19:40:40] <pcw_home> 1KHz to 20 KHz sample rates are common
[19:41:41] <furrywolf> right. so it doesn't matter how fast you sample, as long as you don't lose any entire cycles, and compute the current position based on the current analog levels...
[19:42:03] <SpeedEvil> you can in some circumstances subsample
[19:42:26] <furrywolf> so 2*maximum frequency or so. :)
[19:42:32] <pcw_home> current could be of a whole cycle if A-D is 1 MHz and data is 1 MHz
[19:42:39] <magnifikus> plz
[19:42:44] <magnifikus> >2*freq
[19:43:01] <pcw_home> so you get sub cycle noise in your sample (lost interpolation)
[19:43:22] <pcw_home> nope Nyquist will not work
[19:43:29] <SpeedEvil> You can go below nyquist.
[19:43:36] <SpeedEvil> If your accelleration per cycle is not high.
[19:44:39] <furrywolf> with scales that fast, the position error is tiny...
[19:45:25] <furrywolf> if you're actually getting 1mhz out of your scales, even if you're off by a whole cycle, that's a millionth of how far you moved in the last second. :)
[19:46:57] <pcw_home> high resolution is largely for velocity feedback
[19:48:16] <furrywolf> oh well. I'll stop distracting you so you can go back to making 7i76es. :)
[19:50:34] <furrywolf> you need some way for motion to pull the value from the mesa board on demand, so it always gets the exact current position, without sampling faster than needed...
[19:55:49] <pcw_home> for high res encoders this is done serially with SSI or BISS ( since quadrature gets to fast to be practical at high resolutions )
[19:57:06] <furrywolf> then I really don't see the problem with only sampling 2*frequency... you're going to be sending it out even slower than that.
[19:58:47] <pcw_home> I guess you could do a DPLL on the sine and calculate the delta between the actual sample time and requested same time
[19:58:57] <pcw_home> sample
[20:01:51] <pcw_home> you send it out slowly (well BISS is 10 mbits/sec so not that slow) but for example Resolute encoders have less than 40 ns of sample jitter
[20:02:27] <pcw_home> so you know very accurately _when_ and _where_
[20:03:27] <SpeedEvil> Exactly - DPLL means you don't need to sample fast. Only sample fast enough to ekep up with the accelleration
[20:03:40] <furrywolf> as long as you're sending it out at a divisor of the sampling frequency, you won't add jitter.
[20:07:18] <pcw_home> the jitter is from the asynchronous sampling of the SIN/COS input relative to the host sample
[20:10:10] <furrywolf> a high resolution encoder communicating over serial would have the same issue
[20:10:48] <pcw_home> nope they sample at the start of xmission
[20:11:20] <furrywolf> but linuxcnc still looks at it every servo period, regardless of when the transmission was sent
[20:12:33] <pcw_home> In a FPGA I guess you could phase lock DPLL to the samples and then the host samples the DPLL phase
[20:13:42] <pcw_home> sure just saying you want to know when the actual sample took place (high res encoders do the sample on the host request)
[20:15:36] <pcw_home> SSI and BISS typically do this on the first few clock cycles
[20:16:10] <magnifikus> is the goal to get current speed from qd. encoder?
[20:16:39] <pcw_home> no thats a (mostly) olved problem
[20:17:09] <pcw_home> talking about interpolater for sine/cos scales on older machines
[20:17:25] <XXCoder> arrrrrrrggrghhhhufwiehgf79745*&%&^%&^
[20:17:41] <XXCoder> I put away vga to dvi adoptor because I thought it wasnt needed
[20:17:54] <XXCoder> guess what? and now I cant find it.
[20:18:36] <magnifikus> im just thinking about my delta and realizing its a nightmare in linearity :D
[20:19:06] <XXCoder> one postive though
[20:19:08] <furrywolf> deltas are not trivkins, no. :P
[20:19:25] <XXCoder> I found my quest repair book. i was planning to buy one lol
[20:19:29] <pcw_home> XXCoder: thats why you put things away, so you can buy a new one :-)
[20:19:33] <magnifikus> nah the smoothieboard is driving from a to b with with steady velocity oO
[20:19:42] <magnifikus> on an axis
[20:19:56] <XXCoder> pcw_home: lol
[20:20:32] <pcw_home> and then find it years after its of any use
[20:26:37] <MacGalempsy> Good evening
[20:27:04] <malcom2073> Evening
[20:35:28] <pcw_home> The DPLL scheme is how our resolver interface works (as do most commercial resolver --> digital converters)
[20:37:04] <pcw_home> linuxcnc reads the phase locked counter not the actual signals. you also get velocity out for this
[20:39:24] <pcw_home> It may be that the IC-HAUS interpolators over sample so much to improve the signal/noise
[20:39:25] <pcw_home> which is going to be a big issue with any arctan lookup system
[20:41:37] <furrywolf> yay, miller-to-camlock adapter cables built.
[20:42:53] <furrywolf> to interpolate you might want to sample as fast as the output pulses... but if you're outputting a number straight to the computer, you don't need to deal with the high-frequency pulses...
[20:44:12] <pcw_home> well I can see sampling the signal at 10X the frequency for noise reasons (Our resolver interface does this )
[20:44:40] <pcw_home> especially for higher interpolation factors
[20:46:45] <furrywolf> you have to be doing some pretty precise machining for the noise on a 1mhz scale to be significant. :)
[20:48:47] <pcw_home> higher resolutions are mostly valuable for better velocity feedback (for slow smooth motions)
[20:49:20] <furrywolf> hrmm, makes sense. but still, noise would represent a very small amount of movement.
[20:50:22] * furrywolf wants equipment where this would matter!
[20:50:47] <pcw_home> Fanuc went from 8000/10000 counts per turn in the 80s, to 64k/1M counts per turn in the 90s to 16M counts/turn around 2000 and I think they are currently at 32M counts/turn
[20:50:58] <furrywolf> I don't think I'm picking up anything with glass scales for $60 at a yard sale. :)
[20:51:41] <pcw_home> the problem is that your velocity signal goes all to hell at low speeds unless you have high res
[20:52:14] <furrywolf> unless you're willing to interpolate for a long time...
[20:52:32] <pcw_home> especially if you up the sample rate which high accuracy machines do
[20:53:40] <pcw_home> thats the problem, you need a high bandwidth and high resolution velocity signal for high accuracy
[20:55:31] <XXCoder> too bad infinite sample isnt possible
[20:59:45] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: it pretty much is
[20:59:52] <magnifikus> i dont get why are you not just running a counter with input as clock
[21:00:06] <magnifikus> or is it analog stuff
[21:00:11] <SpeedEvil> at low speeds, you can interpolate arbitrarily using a camera
[21:02:59] <furrywolf> magnifikus: this discussion started out about glass scales, which output sin/cos analog signals, with the analog value giving information.
[21:03:19] <magnifikus> ahhh okay
[21:05:04] <magnifikus> now it makes sense :)
[21:12:35] <pcw_home> 10000 counts per turn sounds like high resolution except when you have high precision which means a
[21:12:37] <pcw_home> high gain servo system and you find that at that high gain, full scale drive is only 100 or so counts of
[21:12:38] <pcw_home> error so you get crunchy feedback
[21:20:33] <PetefromTn_> I'm ao excited I just pulled the trigger on a beatiful brand new Maritool 3" 45 degree facemill!!! I have been using my shop built flycutter for so long but I REALLY need a nice quality facemill.
[21:20:45] <PetefromTn_> Now I gotta order some inserts for this steel job
[21:21:40] <PetefromTn_> SEHW1204AFTN it uses these inserts
[21:26:14] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: I got a lathe today. can't say I'm so excited though. it's more of a "was cheap" than "was exactly what I needed" item. :)
[21:26:18] <XXCoderMill> hey
[21:26:33] <XXCoderMill> I just installed parallel card
[21:26:48] <XXCoderMill> but im not certain how to find which port it uses
[21:27:11] <XXCoderMill> I tried to change HAL to use one port a time but none works anyway so im guessing its something else.
[21:27:36] <furrywolf> dunno. parport Just Worked for me....
[21:27:52] <XXCoderMill> maybe its best to just try re-run hal config.
[21:27:55] <furrywolf> what interface is the parport card? pci?
[21:28:05] <XXCoderMill> pci yeah
[21:28:22] <XXCoderMill> dinner lol be back
[21:28:39] <furrywolf> shows up in lspci? dmesg say anything?
[21:28:53] <PetefromTn_> what kind of lathe?
[21:29:20] <PetefromTn_> I want to get a new lathe too ;)
[21:29:45] <furrywolf> http://www.harborfreight.com/7-inch-x-12-inch-precision-mini-lathe-93799.html :P
[21:30:05] <furrywolf> I set it on the table of my mill, and it covers less than 1/3rd the table. :)
[21:30:05] <PetefromTn_> oh okay mini lathe
[21:30:29] <PetefromTn_> I think it would be fun to have one to keep in the house to play with LOL
[21:30:54] <furrywolf> it's like-brand-new (used once, doesn't show it), $60. came with a box of bits, a drill chuck, etc. couldn't say no.
[21:31:04] <PetefromTn_> Woah that is a deal
[21:31:16] <PetefromTn_> you could sell it and make several times that much I think
[21:31:45] <furrywolf> or keep it... it's a nice intermediate size between my sherline and whatever I get for a real lathe.
[21:31:48] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SEHT43-AFFN-SEHT1204-AFFN-POLISHED-FOR-ALUMINIUM-10-CARBIDE-INSERTS-/141789233306?hash=item21034c009a What do you guys think of these inserts for ally?
[21:32:08] <PetefromTn_> yeah I did not mean sell it IMMEDIATELY LOL
[21:32:19] <PetefromTn_> just saying you got a good deal
[21:32:27] <furrywolf> it fits entirely within the machining area on my mill, which means it's too small. :)
[21:32:38] <PetefromTn_> funny you say that
[21:32:48] <PetefromTn_> tormach did exactly that with one to make it a cnc lathe LOL
[21:33:03] <PetefromTn_> mounted toolpost on millhead
[21:33:16] <PetefromTn_> screwed lathe to mill table
[21:33:38] <furrywolf> heh, it's plenty small enough to do that on my b&s's table... but the b&s is going to stay manual, so it wouldn't be too useful.
[21:33:40] <PetefromTn_> rumor has it that it worked but was less than perfect
[21:34:07] <PetefromTn_> lots of folks have taken the head off those and made a fourth axis from them too
[21:34:07] <furrywolf> it fits entirely on the table... that is, the table is visible on all four sides of it... the others 2/3rds of the table... lol
[21:37:37] <XXCoder> back
[21:38:19] <PetefromTn_> sweet glad you got a good deal man
[21:38:24] <XXCoder> furrywolf: yeah it shows twice in list (2 ports) and listed 4 addresses
[21:38:27] <XXCoder> none worked
[21:38:35] <PetefromTn_> right now I have NO lathe so I am jealous LOL
[21:38:36] <XXCoder> maybe need to config it or something first
[21:39:24] <XXCoder> you can have a lathe made from drill press. (I never said GOOD one lol)
[21:40:13] <PetefromTn_> no thanks LOL
[21:45:14] <Tom_itx> _methods around?
[21:47:56] <malcom2073> Heh, I don't think that would be very safe, considering how drill press chucks are held in
[21:48:09] <XXCoder> indeed
[21:48:38] <XXCoder> yummy dinner. noit very fancy but..
[21:48:44] <PetefromTn_> honestly I would like to figure out a way to put a small 3" chuck on one of my cat40 arbors and do some vertical CNC turning stuff...
[21:53:54] <jdh> I have an r8 3 jaw chuck
[21:54:09] <Tom_itx> http://boltontool.com/3%20Jaw
[21:54:21] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: I heard of using mill as lathe before
[21:54:26] <XXCoder> using table to hold tools
[21:55:11] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx I can get the chuck anywhere the problem is mounting it LOL'
[21:55:28] <Tom_itx> it's got a stud in the back it says
[21:55:33] <Tom_itx> collet to stud
[21:55:35] <Tom_itx> done
[21:56:23] <PetefromTn_> I think they are referring to direct mount cam lock studs
[21:56:51] <PetefromTn_> which are not in the center rather in a radial pattern like the D1-4 I had on my 12x36 lathe
[21:56:55] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CAT-40-Adapter-to-EDM-5-Faceplate-Tool-Holder-SNT-3R-Used-WARRANTY-/171574457080
[21:57:47] <XXCoder> rust on taper thats not good
[21:58:34] <jdh> cat40->mt4 adapter + mt4 3-jaw
[21:58:59] <PetefromTn_> heh I actually have a spare 3/4 inch cat40 shell mill holder I could maybe do something like that with
[22:00:28] <PetefromTn_> heh I am trying to order some inserts from shars and their damn shopping cart has a banner that says if you subscribe to their email newsletter you can get 10 percent off but it does exactly nothing when you click on it....
[22:00:58] <PetefromTn_> anyone got a shars coupon code?
[22:07:21] <Wolf_> what about the box at the bottom right that says SIGN UP FOR EMAIL SALES
[22:07:57] <PetefromTn_> ya think thats it LOL
[22:09:25] <Wolf_> *Coupon code EMAIL10 only valids for 1 time use per customer and has no expiration date. Enter code in the coupon code box in the Shopping Cart when ordering online. Coupon code only valid for future online orders..
[22:10:56] <Wolf_> check their eBay store as well
[22:11:31] <PetefromTn_> Discounts may not apply to shipping charge and certain products such as American Made Cutting Tools or Carbide Insert
[22:12:11] <Wolf_> http://stores.ebay.com/Discount-Machine-Shop?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
[22:13:38] <furrywolf> I just fixed the head on an Allen brand ratchet... it's different. never seen the design before. uses a semicircular slug with teeth on it and flat ends, that's slid side to side against a flat part on the drive, with a spring that pulls it towards one side or the other. it gets wedged between the outer teeth and the flat part when you put force on it.
[22:13:40] <PetefromTn_> assholes don't give the discount on the current order nor do they do it for carbide inserts
[22:15:03] * furrywolf looks for a picture
[22:15:08] <Tom_itx> nice
[22:17:08] <furrywolf> http://c.shld.net/rpx/i/s/pi/mp/10151437/prod_6434425030?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tarafortuna.com%2Fimages%2Fz%2FI%2F613ZB1Xsl7L._SL1500_.jpg&d=7ca45924de14b9de45683e6dbbb34fd6be3c1bdb&hei=1000&wid=1000&op_sharpen=1 crappy picture
[22:17:47] <XXCoder> holy fuck what a idiot http://www.11alive.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/09/21/police-woman-jumps-car-after-seeing-spider-causes-crash/72565328/
[22:18:08] <furrywolf> the little flat thing in the middle of the diagram slides along the flat side of the part at the bottom of the diagram, wedging itself into the corners.
[22:19:14] <furrywolf> lol
[22:20:09] <PetefromTn_> nevermind screw shars I found a brand new package of 10 carbide steel cutting inserts for that facemill on ebay for half their price.
[22:20:33] <furrywolf> hopefully not from the shars ebay store. :P
[22:20:38] <PetefromTn_> with the difference I ordered ANOTHER package of 10 aluminum specific polished dished inserts as well...
[22:20:41] <PetefromTn_> nope
[22:21:42] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/141789233306 got some of these..
[22:21:58] <furrywolf> my favorite ratchet head design is still the Easco, with two mechanisms offset by half a tooth to double the fineness.
[22:22:30] <PetefromTn_> the other seller is industryrecycles
[22:24:49] <Tom_itx> i wish i knew how the sheetmetal tools worked in sw
[22:25:07] <Tom_itx> ie how the bend allowance works
[22:25:28] <Wolf_> no idea, I tried to learn it and gave up after two nights of fighting with it
[22:25:52] <Tom_itx> i get the basic shape but it's out of tolerance
[22:25:53] <XXCoder> furrywolf: nice! wonder if its possible to do 1/3
[22:26:22] <furrywolf> of course it is. :P
[22:26:39] <XXCoder> wonder how far it can go into 1/inf before it gets silly
[22:28:22] <furrywolf> I need to pick up more Craftsman ratchets... running low on them.
[22:29:30] <furrywolf> when people ask to borrow tools, I give them craftsman ratchets. it's not insulting like giving them a harbor freight ratchet, but I don't care when they invariably fail to come back. :P
[22:31:09] <XXCoder> lol
[22:31:22] <furrywolf> with pawls the size of the easco ones, I think you could fit three in. any more and you'd need to shrink the pawls, weakening them.
[22:31:53] <XXCoder> interesting
[22:32:27] <furrywolf> maybe only two. can't find a photo online, and I'm not taking mine apart for the hell of it.
[22:34:18] <PetefromTn_> speaking of tools
[22:34:29] <PetefromTn_> at the shop I am working in they all have snap on tools
[22:34:36] <furrywolf> http://s243.photobucket.com/user/ormd/media/Easco/IMG_2186.jpg.html yeah, only two, at least in that one.
[22:34:42] <PetefromTn_> and they gave me some pneumatic tools to use
[22:34:53] <PetefromTn_> die grinders and pencil grinders etc.
[22:34:53] <furrywolf> they're not quite 180 degrees apart. :)
[22:35:21] <PetefromTn_> I must say that the large diameter slower speed die grinder I have been using is VERY nice
[22:35:45] <furrywolf> big air motors are bigger. :P
[22:35:54] <PetefromTn_> probably costs three or four times what it should
[22:36:02] <PetefromTn_> but it has a LOT of torque
[22:36:19] <PetefromTn_> has directional exhaust
[22:36:28] <PetefromTn_> nice black housing with comfortable grip
[22:36:35] <PetefromTn_> just a high quality tool overall
[22:36:54] <furrywolf> snap-on?
[22:37:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[22:37:19] <Wolf_> just need to figure out who really makes it
[22:37:22] <PetefromTn_> they also have an angle die grinder that is the same style/build
[22:37:22] <furrywolf> last I heard, snap-on doesn't make any of their air tools... it's probably made by ingersoll-rand or such.
[22:37:44] <PetefromTn_> I'm sure it is not made by snap on but just saying it is really nice
[22:38:26] <furrywolf> don't buy anything from snap-on with a power cord.
[22:38:33] <furrywolf> they manage to rebrand some of the worst utter shit.
[22:39:09] <PetefromTn_> the welding helmet I got from them over there is also snap on and it is really nice too
[22:39:52] <PetefromTn_> again no idea who actually makes it
[22:40:09] <furrywolf> I've been really happy with my ingersoll-rand air tools... I have IR impacts from 1/4" to 1". :)
[22:40:42] <furrywolf> my favorite air ratchet is an old Mac one, from back before they were b&d. it'll crush your fingers if you're not ready for it...
[22:41:28] <furrywolf> I also have IR's "knucklesaver" impact air ratchet, but it really doesn't develop the torque the idea should.
[22:43:28] <furrywolf> http://www.ingersollrandproducts.com/ap-en/products/tools/ratchets/1-2-drive/1111-knuckle-saver it's a combination of an impact wrench and and an air ratchet... it works, but it should be a lot more impressive than it is.
[22:43:46] <furrywolf> Features
[22:43:47] <furrywolf> Up to 50 ft-lb of torque
[22:43:59] <furrywolf> that's just pathetic for anything with an impact mechanism!
[22:44:41] <Wolf_> lol, 50ft-lbs? why bother
[22:45:10] <PetefromTn_> I honestly have MOSTLY Campbell Hausfeld mechanic type pneumatic tools and honestly other than the small 1/2 inch I bought over a decade ago I have been more than happy with them.
[22:45:25] <PetefromTn_> I have a few IR tools too
[22:45:36] <PetefromTn_> and the pencil grinders are sioux
[22:45:49] <PetefromTn_> as is one of my 3/8 butterfly impacts
[22:46:01] <PetefromTn_> those are really good tools too
[22:46:02] <furrywolf> I've gotten rid of much of my chinese air tools... sick of them. have US-made ones for most things now.
[22:46:25] <furrywolf> I have a snap-on 3/8 butterfly... needs a new hog ring, have to chase down the truck one of these days.
[22:46:28] <PetefromTn_> like I said never had ANY problems from them
[22:46:40] <furrywolf> I've had nothing but problems with them. lol
[22:46:49] <PetefromTn_> even the small 1/2 inch does its job but it is not as powerful as the IR
[22:47:04] <PetefromTn_> most of mine are many many years old of hard use
[22:47:08] <furrywolf> in fact, I have a broken 1/2" impact sitting a few feet from here... I got it out to let a friend use it, but it got returned (normally they don't) because it didn't work.
[22:47:23] <PetefromTn_> Oh wait I take that back
[22:47:48] <PetefromTn_> I did buy one 90 degree die grinder and the clamping collar on the rotating head stripped out
[22:48:05] <PetefromTn_> I tried to fix it but it is such an inexpensive tool I just bought a new one
[22:48:14] <furrywolf> I got a HF air drill with a bad gearbox, a nibbler with a bad motor, an auto parts store branded air impact that didn't make enough torque to be useful, a pencil grinder that failed after five minutes, etc, etc, etc...
[22:49:17] <furrywolf> I got an IR nibbler, and it works great. I still keep a HF one around for cutting stainless, because it trashes dies, and I might as well trash cheap dies...
[22:56:12] * furrywolf curls up and yawns
[23:13:32] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:17:20] <XXCoderMill> sigh
[23:17:30] <XXCoderMill> not sure what to do now lol
[23:17:41] <XXCoderMill> tried muill config but it defaults to port 1
[23:18:07] * furrywolf suggests sleeping on it
[23:18:10] <XXCoderMill> how do I change to port 2
[23:38:24] <XXCoderMill> huh?
[23:38:36] <XXCoderMill> guide website says I can set parallel port
[23:38:53] <XXCoderMill> but there is nothing on stepconf fopr changing parallel port #
[23:39:17] <XXCoderMill> "You may specify the address as a hexidecimal (often 0x378) or as linux’s default port number (probably 0)"