#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-10-02

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[00:00:01] <PetefromTn_> sorry I was out setting up another part
[00:21:20] <Jymmm> Heat of Vaporization
[00:21:49] <Jymmm> The Heat (or Enthalpy) of Vaporization - http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Physical_Chemistry/Thermodynamics/State_Functions/Enthalpy/Enthalpy_Of_Vaporization
[00:36:14] <Jymmm> Hmmmm.... http://inspectapedia.com/heat/Hartford_Loop.php
[00:43:20] <Wolf_> you sure you have a steam system?
[00:50:15] <Jymmm> Wolf_: ?
[00:50:42] <Wolf_> just wondering why you are linking hartford loops...
[00:50:59] <Jymmm> It was mentioned in a wood stove forum where someone aded a hot water system to it
[00:51:17] <Jymmm> (lots of "it's unsafe" drama in the thread)
[00:51:54] <Wolf_> just set it up like a reg hot water boiler with a 30psi blowoff
[00:52:29] <Wolf_> only issue is most antifreeze is explosive when vaporized
[00:52:37] <Jymmm> I was more curious of what it is/does than anything else.
[00:53:40] <Wolf_> I was thinking of building a wood boiler at some point
[00:54:11] <Jymmm> Start at page one I guess... http://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/wood-stove-water-heat.146326/page-2
[00:54:28] <Jymmm> I'm still trying to learn/figure out wood stoves.
[00:54:34] <Wolf_> http://www.rohor.com/
[00:54:48] <Wolf_> worst web page layout ever but loads of info
[00:55:28] <Jymmm> You might like this then... http://www.gulland.ca/homenergy/stove.htm
[00:57:51] <anomynous> asdf
[00:58:26] <Jymmm> Wolf_: What I'm not understanding is why ppl are adding kaowool to the top of the refactory board
[00:58:40] <Jymmm> anomynous: jkl;
[00:58:50] <anomynous> jklö
[00:58:54] <anomynous> you have wrong keyboard layout
[00:58:57] <anomynous> :)
[00:59:23] <Wolf_> ¬åß∂ƒ
[00:59:24] <Jymmm> anomynous: yeah¡™£££¢I thinkœ∑´®œ∑´your≈ççç≈ç≈∫right
[00:59:49] <anomynous> i just meant to try on another channel if i could send to channel after identifying with nickserv
[01:00:14] <Jymmm> `¡™£¢∞§¶•ªº–≠«‘“πøˆ¨¥†®´∑œåß∂ƒ©˙∆˚¬…æ÷≥≤µ˜∫√ç≈Ω
[01:00:37] <Wolf_> what context about the kaowool?
[01:01:45] <anomynous> Jymmm, http://i.stack.imgur.com/leHzl.png
[01:02:09] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Not that I have a fucking clue here, but it seems there ae "air pipes" that the ceramic fiber board sits on, and above that the kaowool, but "to me" that would seem to block the stove pipe, no? http://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/found-a-good-source-for-1-2-ceramic-fiber-board-for-baffles-etc.72354/
[01:02:35] <Jymmm> anomynous: you have a visual kybd?
[01:02:57] <anomynous> on your screen, if you opened the link. Haxored.
[01:03:16] <Jymmm> anomynous: Um, okey.
[01:03:21] <anomynous> no
[01:03:40] <anomynous> i finnish keyboard layout on a laptop
[01:03:43] <anomynous> +have
[01:05:08] <Jymmm> Wolf_: I sweeped the stove pipe from the rooftop, it seems that I might have chip/popped a hole into the refactory board (was never mentioned in the manual about that), and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $80 to replace it, but I have NFC what it does/ or is for specifically. Something about secondary burn
[01:05:49] <Wolf_> no idea, like I said, none of my stuff has that EPA bull shit on it
[01:06:16] <Jymmm> I read something about refactory cement and vemeculite to make your own board, but I was thinking I might be able to repair the one I have
[01:06:43] <Jymmm> ...using this "refactory cement"
[01:07:01] <zeeshan|2> zzzzzzzzzzzz
[01:07:50] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/tZxLzVZ.jpg
[01:07:52] <zeeshan|2> i dunno what these are for
[01:07:56] <zeeshan|2> but i like the way they look
[01:08:02] <zeeshan|2> turned out good
[01:08:07] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/n1JvRzy.jpg
[01:08:17] <Wolf_> cool
[01:08:46] <zeeshan|2> fak going to be tired at work
[01:08:49] <zeeshan|2> gotta be up in 3 hours
[01:09:00] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: why
[01:09:01] <Jymmm> are
[01:09:02] <Jymmm> you
[01:09:03] <Jymmm> typing
[01:09:04] <Jymmm> like
[01:09:06] <Jymmm> this?
[01:09:29] <zeeshan|2> im typing one word per line?
[01:09:49] <Jymmm> Almost, seems liek you are using the ENTER key as puncuation
[01:19:50] <Jymmm> Wolf_: I dont get it... they line the firebox with fire bricks, but use fragile ceramic fiber board for the top?
[01:20:06] <Wolf_> no idea
[01:20:21] <Jymmm> Wolf_: http://www.amazon.com/Rutland-Castable-Refractory-Cement-25-Pound/dp/B008BQQASQ
[01:20:44] <Wolf_> my stoves have a 1/4” steel plate for a baffle
[01:20:56] <Jymmm> SS ?
[01:21:04] <Wolf_> reg steel
[01:21:18] <Jymmm> k
[01:21:45] <Jymmm> and the smoke/fumes just go up and around this baffle and up the stove pipe?
[01:22:29] <Wolf_> yup
[01:23:09] <Jymmm> and the firebrick is just to prevent from burning out your stove in the long run?
[01:24:34] <Wolf_> also keeps higher temp in the firebox
[01:24:52] <Jymmm> k
[01:59:18] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: board can be cheap
[02:00:32] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2057872.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xreplacement+firebrick.TRS0&_nkw=replacement+firebrick&_sacat=0
[02:02:44] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Yeah, firebrick is cheap, it's "ceramic fiber board" that's expensive
[02:03:10] <SpeedEvil> ah
[02:03:14] <SpeedEvil> I should have read up
[02:03:20] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/ceramic-fiber-board
[02:03:25] <Jymmm> No worries =)
[02:03:45] <Jymmm> and it's fragile too, so nfc why so $$$$$$
[02:08:15] <Deejay> moin
[02:08:21] <Jymmm> hola
[02:08:41] <Deejay> hi jymmm
[02:09:01] <anomynous_> how do i get irc onto my phone and laptop without paying for bnc. Me have no shell. ;D
[02:09:17] <Jymmm> telnet?
[02:09:27] <Jymmm> what is "bnc" ?
[02:09:44] <anomynous_> telnet what? to irc.freenode.net? but even if im a masochist, it will still disconnect and i cant continue on the other device
[02:09:45] <anomynous_> ;D
[02:09:51] <anomynous_> bouncer
[02:09:53] <anomynous_> irc proxy
[02:09:57] <Deejay> just dont use bnc ;)
[02:10:16] <Deejay> hm
[02:10:16] <Jymmm> shell and screen then
[02:10:21] <anomynous_> dont have shell
[02:10:35] <anomynous_> gimmie shell ;D
[02:10:36] <Jymmm> open a port and make one
[02:10:42] <anomynous_> me have windows and no server
[02:10:46] <anomynous_> it laptop is
[02:10:56] <Jymmm> oh well =)
[02:11:04] <Jymmm> no irc for you!
[02:11:08] <anomynous_> NOOO!
[02:11:16] <Jymmm> use the web interface
[02:11:36] <anomynous_> i found some that would offer permanent connection but it was $4/month
[02:11:59] <Jymmm> Just use linux
[02:12:39] <anomynous_> fusion 360 is a windows app, and i dont really need linux for anything. I don't get anything for the change
[02:12:52] <anomynous_> not even the permanent irc connection
[02:12:53] <anomynous_> ;D
[02:13:02] <Jymmm> sucks to be you then
[02:13:11] <anomynous_> thats an exaggeration
[02:13:12] <anomynous_> really
[02:14:03] <Jymmm> you have this proxy, but not a shell, and want a constant connection, cna't help ya
[02:14:19] <anomynous_> i dont have a proxy.
[02:14:52] <Jymmm> bouncer irc proxy oyu mentioned
[02:14:53] <anomynous_> to run a proxy id need a shell, or id need a proxy provider which probably costs money or... i dont know ;D
[02:15:07] <Jymmm> or make your own
[02:15:17] <anomynous_> and still to run it id need a shell ;D
[02:15:37] <Jymmm> you run the shell daemon
[02:15:42] <Jymmm> not a proxy
[02:15:42] <anomynous_> like... a remote shell.
[02:15:44] <anomynous_> not local
[02:15:45] <anomynous_> :)
[02:15:51] <Jymmm> no
[02:16:10] <Jymmm> Just bring up a box and shell into it, it's THAT easy
[02:17:12] <anomynous_> so i should buy a computer to have a server dedicated for this purpose?
[02:17:39] <Jymmm> anomynous_: No, steal one from work instead
[02:17:48] <anomynous_> but they need it for cam
[02:17:59] <Jymmm> steal theri cam too
[02:18:04] <anomynous_> no.
[02:18:09] <anomynous_> that is sinning. no.
[02:18:27] <Jymmm> yeah, liek that is the somethign you dont do.... NOT!
[02:18:56] <anomynous_> no. i do not do it. But i think i can survive without being able to swap irc in between phone and laptop.
[02:18:57] <anomynous_> :)
[02:24:22] <Jymmm> anomynous_: If you can't let me know and can just ban you from the channel for 24, 48, or 73 weeks, your choice =)
[02:30:44] <renesis> wtf bouncer, lame
[02:31:07] <renesis> ssh + screen(1) + irssi ftmfw
[02:31:29] <anomynous_> i can't. thats what ive been using but i dont have a shell renesis ;)
[02:31:45] <renesis> well pay someone or something or something
[02:31:53] <anomynous_> just for irc?
[02:32:05] <renesis> shrug, i havent payed for a shell in a long time
[02:32:12] <anomynous_> ;D nope. I have two channels. One of which is #crispy-waffle ;D
[02:32:12] <renesis> hence the hostname
[02:34:00] <Jymmm> renesis: anomynous_ is just being a goober
[02:34:07] <anomynous_> whats a goober
[02:34:27] <anomynous_> ;D
[02:46:29] <Contract_Pilot1> Sup.
[02:49:53] <Contract_Pilot> Tracking info on the Motors and PSU's is working on DHL Site
[02:50:09] <Contract_Pilot> Weights look about right.
[02:51:44] <Contract_Pilot> Walmart PSU's Motors and Drivers schedueld delivery octover 6
[02:56:11] <Praesmeodymium> nice gives me hope my order will process
[03:03:59] <Contract_Pilot> Praesmeo, what did you order?
[03:04:49] <Contract_Pilot> http://webtrack.dhlglobalmail.com/?trackingnumber=9361269903500576952838
[03:05:21] <Contract_Pilot> I learned a while back if ordering from the china importers use DHL for tracking.
[03:13:48] <[cube]> dhl almost always charges high customs fees
[03:18:34] <Contract_Pilot> Praesmeodymium, checking walmart at random i think that Tasharina Corpwill list a few random motors and drivers every few hours.
[03:19:41] <Praesmeodymium> I checked every hour while I was upto decide if i wanted to to start sniping and I found they listed at the same time both days about 11 ours from now
[03:20:57] <Praesmeodymium> ahh i got 4x http://www.walmart.com/ip/Nema23-CNC-Router-Robot-Stepping-Stepper-Motor-76mm-3A-255oz.in-w-Driver/46952097
[03:23:31] <Praesmeodymium> and 2 of the nema 8s for a little spherebot i built cause nema 17's are overkill
[03:23:59] <Praesmeodymium> doesnt take 96 oz/in to move a pen
[03:24:12] <Contract_Pilot> Reviewing the order motor weights 1X at 3.75 3X 2.19lbs but tracking is showing 3lbs for 4 motors. http://webtrack.dhlglobalmail.com/?trackingnumber=9361269903500577488923
[03:24:38] <Contract_Pilot> But the weights could be off
[03:24:50] <Praesmeodymium> shipping weight is a way to give a discount too
[03:24:52] <Contract_Pilot> Wish i would ahve got the 255oz deal
[03:25:00] <Contract_Pilot> See they list 4-5
[03:25:08] <Praesmeodymium> I worked at UPS and paper boxes are always listed at 35 pounds
[03:25:15] <Praesmeodymium> they actually weight 53
[03:25:55] <Contract_Pilot> lost leader
[03:27:36] <Contract_Pilot> But i only needed the drivers
[03:27:58] <Contract_Pilot> Prob fee-bay the steppers
[03:28:03] <Praesmeodymium> I wanted the 590+ deal cause I am greedy lol, yeah the nema 8s were partially for the drivers
[03:28:27] <Contract_Pilot> 590oz? did not see that
[03:29:03] <Praesmeodymium> I think it was a 596 34, a shitty single stack for the mount size whatever it was
[03:29:15] <Praesmeodymium> but still a beats
[03:29:24] <Praesmeodymium> beast in my printer world
[03:31:18] <Praesmeodymium> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Nema34-4-Lead-CNC-Router-Robot-Stepping-Stepper-Motor-86mm-4A-567oz.in/47021772
[03:31:23] <Praesmeodymium> no driver
[03:32:25] <Contract_Pilot> Ahhh
[03:32:28] <Contract_Pilot> no driver
[03:33:45] <Contract_Pilot> Try new egg also http://www.newegg.com/Mktplace/SellerProfile.aspx?SellerID=0UHZRBI9U0FN3E152
[03:33:58] <Contract_Pilot> funny reviews
[03:37:56] <Praesmeodymium> yeah well I suspected I was gambling so have low expectations
[03:38:42] <Praesmeodymium> I mean when ya think "that looks like a mistake" ordering it might be
[03:40:43] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, reason to record unboxing
[03:42:56] <Contract_Pilot> Weight on the PSU's is good 1X 2.74 1X 1.04 about 3.7lbs http://webtrack.dhlglobalmail.com/?trackingnumber=9361269903500577488923
[03:43:43] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.walmart.com/ip/46914656
[03:44:07] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.walmart.com/ip/46934464
[03:55:49] <Contract_Pilot> Bet these walmart deals if they are real will not last long hahaha
[03:59:29] <Praesmeodymium> I was thinking about that and if these are real I conjecture the burgeoning industry in china is creating a downward trend in larger motors. more being made prices start dropping given certain influences
[04:00:37] <Praesmeodymium> but predicting the future is hard and I am but a simple monkey
[04:11:07] <ganzuul> http://imgur.com/gallery/UopJDtN
[04:12:25] <Contract_Pilot> If it works out it works out.
[04:22:19] <Contract_Pilot> Same seller on ebay out of kentuky also same stuff http://www.ebay.com/usr/ausluna0001
[04:25:26] <ganzuul> https://www.google.com/patents/US5046375
[04:25:27] <ganzuul> Compact cable transmission with cable differential
[04:49:14] <MacGalempsy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=842qLSRe4Ms
[05:19:31] <XXCoder> am I really home?? wow
[05:19:42] <XXCoder> damn but current job is so damn boring
[05:34:59] <MattyMatt> change is as good as a rest
[05:35:27] <MattyMatt> loyalty is for schmucks
[05:35:31] <MattyMatt> >:)
[05:35:51] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: I wonder how old that video is
[05:37:19] <XXCoder> not enough skill and experence MattyMatt
[05:37:39] <MattyMatt> you've got more than you got your current job with
[05:38:10] <MattyMatt> every day, in every day, I'm getting better and better
[05:38:11] <XXCoder> its easier when I have say 5 years xp
[05:38:28] <XXCoder> everday in everyday ;) im sure you meant every way
[05:38:54] <MattyMatt> maybe freudian slip :)
[05:39:02] <XXCoder> lol
[05:39:19] <MattyMatt> today I cleaned another square foot of deskspace. that's one way
[05:39:55] <MattyMatt> I still haven't cracked "a place for everything" tho. need more little drawers
[05:40:26] <archivist> impossible dream "a place for everything"
[05:40:38] <malcom2073> If you have a place for everything, you have nothing
[05:40:52] <MattyMatt> not if you count the bin as an option
[05:41:02] <XXCoder> fractial storage system
[05:41:08] <XXCoder> drawers in drawers in drawers
[05:41:16] <archivist> I just moved half a ton to be able to walk a bit easier to the front door
[05:41:36] <malcom2073> I need to finish moving my mill, it's about two feet from where it needs to be, but damn those last two feet are hell
[05:41:36] <XXCoder> I want drawer found in one of discworld book - it can extend 100 feet out of drawer thats 2 feet deep.
[05:41:40] <MattyMatt> if it was my house, I'd expand the house
[05:41:49] <XXCoder> and that drawer has drawers that can extend as long
[05:41:51] <XXCoder> or more
[05:42:02] <archivist> making space for the CMM has made the rest of the garage impossible
[05:42:02] <MattyMatt> 14 inches + 2 drawer thicknesses
[05:42:53] <MattyMatt> momma wants it minimal and magnolia, to attract sellers
[05:43:00] <archivist> I need to build a workshop
[05:43:18] <archivist> get your own place then
[05:43:21] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: I want the timelord "bigger inside" tech
[05:44:01] <MattyMatt> arr, been looking at parcels of land in bulgaria
[05:44:20] <MattyMatt> the land of the free from contact with civilisation
[05:45:25] <MattyMatt> workshop is agricultural, for planning purposes
[05:47:26] <MattyMatt> I could do that in this country even, those scam parcels which have no hope of the promised planning permisssion for a house
[05:48:11] <MattyMatt> they go quite cheap once the scammee offloads it, but not as cheap as bulgaria
[05:48:23] <ganzuul> MattyMatt: Deskspace is the main reason why I want an articulated arm for my monitor. :)
[05:49:07] <MattyMatt> I want a long one of those for a camera. I can't work with a flimsy tripod behind me
[05:49:17] <Contract_Pilot> Makes ya wonder how well it works http://www.sherline.com/6500pg.htm
[05:49:17] <MattyMatt> or a flaky cameraman
[05:49:48] <Contract_Pilot> Stepper for a spindle motor?
[05:50:18] <archivist> poor mans rotary
[05:50:33] <archivist> used for a 4th axis
[05:50:33] <MattyMatt> yeah for when you index. I'm planning the same thing but I'll have the stepped pulley on all the time
[05:51:28] <MattyMatt> I saw a neat indexer that uses an expanding mandrel to go in the bore at the end
[05:51:56] <MattyMatt> practically clip on
[05:53:52] <Contract_Pilot> Not sure it would have enough torQ
[05:54:14] <Contract_Pilot> or RPM
[05:54:50] <archivist> it is for indexing not turning
[05:58:29] <MattyMatt> I'm still fermenting a cunning plan to make a little spindle out of 5 phase stepper. 500 full steps and 3k rpm enough to play in both domains
[05:59:19] <Contract_Pilot> I thank that kit is made for turning
[06:00:13] <MattyMatt> naah little steppers are only good for positioning. they crap out at ~400 rpm
[06:00:49] <MattyMatt> natural inductive limit
[06:02:44] <MattyMatt> and it's geared down in that kit, so that's for even more low speed precision and torque
[06:04:53] <MattyMatt> poorer mans rotary = protractor glued to V pulley, and a C clamp
[06:05:38] <Contract_Pilot> for a 5th axix i was thinking mini lathe headstock. http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=2299&category=1023914534
[06:05:52] <Contract_Pilot> ahhh 4th
[06:06:35] <Contract_Pilot> that way you can accept chucks and a faceplate etc
[06:06:46] <Wolf_Mill> I should do that with my extra taig headstock
[06:07:03] <MattyMatt> it's doable, but lathe spindles tend towards length for cocentricity, rotary tables try to be short, to take up less workspace
[06:07:37] <MattyMatt> rotary tables take faceplates and chucks too, but in a more compact shape
[06:09:23] <MacGalempsy> 4th axis trunnion table with a 5th axis mounted to it
[06:09:37] <MattyMatt> http://imgur.com/a/DNWJq minimal 4th axis
[06:10:15] <MacGalempsy> my 4th axis :)
[06:10:16] <MacGalempsy> https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/10299373066/in/album-72157648156040358/
[06:10:42] <MattyMatt> http://i.imgur.com/rhL1LmP.jpg silly imgur link
[06:10:59] <MacGalempsy> sweet and simple
[06:11:28] <MacGalempsy> so some where my machine has a short that shocks me when touching the chassis
[06:11:38] <malcom2073> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/l/t31.0-8/10959138_835518176512489_8769699971561166735_o.jpg
[06:11:43] <malcom2073> A bit long, but works well
[06:11:58] <MacGalempsy> thats what she said
[06:12:19] <MattyMatt> http://i.imgur.com/CRoCw.jpg?1 my new one was almost as cheap as my old one
[06:12:20] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073: it amazes me that you are always up so early
[06:12:29] <malcom2073> Heh, I go to bed early
[06:12:37] <archivist> MacGalempsy, lack of grounding
[06:13:00] <MacGalempsy> thats the thing, I tried to ground EVERYTHING...
[06:13:07] <MacGalempsy> to the chasis
[06:13:17] * Wolf_Mill doesnt sleep
[06:13:26] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_Mill: hibernates
[06:13:29] <malcom2073> heh
[06:14:12] * ganzuul prefers two naps a day
[06:14:27] <archivist> MacGalempsy, but forgot to ground the chassis to the mains/house ground
[06:15:14] <MacGalempsy> yes, it is
[06:15:23] <archivist> american mains wiring is terrible, a two pin plug is asking for trouble
[06:15:34] <MacGalempsy> the chassis has a ground screw that I ran all the neutrals and grounds to
[06:16:01] <MacGalempsy> archivist: is it possible to test the voltage of the short somehow?
[06:16:59] <archivist> often its capacitive or inductive coupling, you really need a true mains house ground
[06:17:01] <ganzuul> There is no neutral...
[06:17:12] <ganzuul> Only live in disguise.
[06:17:48] <MacGalempsy> The electrician installed a dedicated breaker that is grounded
[06:17:50] <archivist> neutral is usually higher than ground, (around 6 volts in the UK)
[06:18:09] <archivist> do you have 2 pin sockets?
[06:18:21] <archivist> or 3 pin
[06:18:42] <malcom2073> fwiw, very few people have 2 pin sockets anymore
[06:18:57] <ganzuul> Making your own ground isn't that hard though. Ham radio operators do it all the time.
[06:19:15] <MacGalempsy> I want to say it a 20P or something
[06:19:20] <MattyMatt> 3ft of copper rod, hammered into wet soil
[06:19:34] <archivist> 20P means nothing to me
[06:19:44] <MacGalempsy> 3 wire 220v
[06:19:51] <ganzuul> MattyMatt: And paying attention to changes in drainage.
[06:20:03] <MacGalempsy> 20amp
[06:20:17] <archivist> to me you need 4 pin socket for that
[06:20:46] <malcom2073> 4 pin has neutral, 3 pin does not
[06:21:21] <MattyMatt> 5 pin has neutral and earth. I thought that was standard for 3 phase here
[06:21:46] <archivist> they have a silly 2 phase in the US
[06:21:47] <malcom2073> 5 pin has hot hot neutral earth and... what?
[06:21:47] <MacGalempsy> this is the plug that was on the machine when I got it
[06:21:49] <malcom2073> oh three phase heh
[06:22:25] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: Do you have anything 110V inside your chassis?
[06:22:27] <malcom2073> Or is it all 220?
[06:22:28] <archivist> MacGalempsy, use an ohm meter to verify chassis is connected to ground
[06:22:49] <archivist> and not neutral
[06:23:05] <malcom2073> 3 wire 220 has no neutral :P
[06:23:10] <MattyMatt> yeah I would treat neutral and live as a balanced pair
[06:23:24] <MattyMatt> neither get earthed
[06:23:29] <MacGalempsy> the 220v goes to a large set of toroidal transformers on one circuit for the servos , one circuit goes to the vfd, one goes to a 24v transformer
[06:23:47] <MacGalempsy> I have a computer sitting on the chassis that is 110v from a different plug
[06:23:48] <Wolf_Mill> US code for house wiring neutral and ground are bonded at the main panel
[06:24:01] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: Check that the third wire (ground) is tied securely to chassis, and tht your DC output of the 24V transformer is also tied to ground
[06:24:15] <MattyMatt> if you join them inside a device too, doesn't that give you a ground loop?
[06:24:22] <malcom2073> Could be your 24V supply is floating
[06:24:38] <malcom2073> MattyMatt: You don't use ground for AC power return, ever
[06:24:41] <malcom2073> Only neutral
[06:24:57] <MattyMatt> the inducedhum doesn't know that
[06:25:15] <MacGalempsy> power into th24v is 220v. it is grounded on the way in
[06:25:28] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: What about on the way out (as 24vdc?)
[06:25:32] <malcom2073> Is that grounded to chassis?
[06:25:48] <malcom2073> (Test with a multimeter)
[06:25:56] <MacGalempsy> I made a long common ground. let me see if that is connected to the chassis
[06:27:27] <MacGalempsy> you guys are good. the DC out is not grounded.
[06:27:29] <archivist> it is mains ground to chassis I am bothered about
[06:29:03] <ganzuul> A microwave oven on say a welding bench could cause a lot of grief. 2000V pulsed DC in the chassis.
[06:29:30] <ganzuul> That's when it is operating normally, btw.
[06:29:36] <trentster> Hi all I need some advice - created this file in Fusion 360 and used LinuxCNC EMC as postprocessor. It has for some reason made the gcode overly complex with thousands of tiny radial arcs. Which is really slowing down the job as there are so many small moves there are hardly any rapids and thus very slow feed rates. https://gist.github.com/trentster/a41b04562f0bc90f62ec
[06:30:06] <XXCoder> trentster: do arcs change in size or curve shape?
[06:30:08] <MacGalempsy> does that look grounded enough? https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/21872522602/in/dateposted-public/
[06:30:15] <archivist> trentster, which version of linuxcnc
[06:30:18] <malcom2073> Lol
[06:30:23] <MacGalempsy> just need to add the 24v out, if there is room
[06:30:26] <malcom2073> I like your use of green ground wire :)
[06:30:42] <malcom2073> fwiw, ground the GROUND side of 24v out :P
[06:30:44] <MacGalempsy> most of it was factory spec
[06:30:55] <archivist> I cannot see flicker pictures
[06:30:56] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: dunno. maybe add a 000 copper wire lol
[06:31:24] <MacGalempsy> lol. i'll measure it with the trendsters ear plugs
[06:31:39] <XXCoder> trentster: I see only few g3
[06:31:44] <trentster> So my question is - are there some settings I should be avoiding here in relation to LinuxCNC when I post-process to avoid this : https://monosnap.com/file/iSh4sbtZVnVdEOFjvq5gc5Vwtz2OeC
[06:31:44] <XXCoder> and billion g1s
[06:32:12] <archivist> trentster, which version of linuxcnc?
[06:32:49] <trentster> archivist: I would have to go back into the garage and power all bac up - but it was installed off official iso and updated like 3 months ago
[06:32:55] <trentster> if that helps in the interim
[06:33:29] <archivist> 2.7 has the new trajectory planner which is better with small segments
[06:33:32] <MacGalempsy> well guys, my shift just ended. time to go play some xbox and tone it down a level. lol
[06:33:56] <MattyMatt> does that work in linuxcnc, not explicitly putting G3 in subsequent arcs?
[06:33:59] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: mine finished couple hours ago
[06:34:04] <XXCoder> and man it was tough work day
[06:34:11] <malcom2073> Mine starts in a half hour :/
[06:34:13] <trentster> archivist: thats all good and well but its not a complicated shape - I got a feeling fusion360 is doing something unecessarily complex.
[06:34:14] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: how many parts did you get done?
[06:34:18] <XXCoder> 327
[06:34:20] <XXCoder> and one bad
[06:34:31] <trentster> its really just 2 circles conencted with a arc
[06:34:37] <MacGalempsy> dang man! what is your cycle time down to?
[06:34:39] <archivist> trentster, nearly all cam progs are that silly
[06:35:23] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: slightly less than 2 minute per part, but processing takes so much of my mine, I had no pause wjhile waiting for machine to complete!
[06:35:25] <XXCoder> sucked
[06:35:41] <XXCoder> tomorrow I will try to complete last 230. total almost 1300
[06:35:45] <MattyMatt> I draw blender curves, then export them as a series of straight lines because I haven't written the bezier_to_arc() func :p
[06:35:46] <trentster> its actually 2 circles connected with a conic curve
[06:36:27] <MattyMatt> I stopped doing that and started writing gcode by hand. just as quick and better gcode
[06:36:34] <trentster> so in the screenshot I attached for the emc post processor checkboxes does all loook optimal there?
[06:36:35] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: fantastic.
[06:36:40] <archivist> trentster, upgrade to 2.7
[06:36:45] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: lol
[06:36:52] <XXCoder> cant wait to be done with it
[06:37:26] <trentster> archivist I have a feeling I may be on 2.7 already how long has it been out for?
[06:37:31] <MacGalempsy> anyone here watch the Titan American Built Haas tour ?
[06:38:03] <MacGalempsy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tgUTrd9ujU
[06:38:18] <MacGalempsy> this guy is a trip
[06:38:37] <archivist> trentster, http://www.linuxcnc.org/
[06:38:58] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: video has bad "ADD" syndome
[06:39:07] <XXCoder> scene change each 1/2 second
[06:39:12] <malcom2073> Holy hell that video hurts my head
[06:39:15] <trentster> heh ok archivist its pretty new
[06:39:24] <MacGalempsy> yeah, they like the scene change
[06:39:33] <malcom2073> Typical american TV though
[06:39:34] <malcom2073> heh
[06:39:43] <trentster> that being said I am sure its still an issue with cam generation at fusion360 side -
[06:39:50] <XXCoder> wouldnt know. dont watch much tv.
[06:40:12] <XXCoder> ong scene that lasts few seconds!!
[06:40:22] <XXCoder> they couldnt stand it so they used zoom in/outs.
[06:40:27] <archivist> trentster, most cam programs do that rather than use arcs
[06:40:41] <MacGalempsy> I like his fixtures
[06:41:37] <XXCoder> ohh im using that bolt down to expand to hold parts holder thingy
[06:41:43] <XXCoder> 2:50
[06:42:01] <XXCoder> it is awesome but after using em over 1,000 times it gets annoying
[06:42:39] <XXCoder> highly recommanded though with certain size range acceptable.
[06:42:46] <trentster> archivist yup - but thats why I pasted the postprocess options - perhaps I should be enabling or disabling something there.
[06:42:55] <trentster> There is a ton of options there I have no clue about
[06:43:56] <trentster> archivist https://monosnap.com/file/iSh4sbtZVnVdEOFjvq5gc5Vwtz2OeC.png
[06:44:18] <XXCoder> heh they always use someting when scene lasts more than 2 seconds. like camera wander or zoomin/out
[06:48:21] <trentster> archivist: also btw thanks for the tip on that cheapie breakout board - it works perfecto!
[06:48:32] <XXCoder> kinda reminds me of stupid american shows that are 35% what has happened before, 35% previews what will happen, 20% adverts, and 10% current show
[06:48:55] <malcom2073> I got rid of broadcast TV when I realized that close to 50% of it was adverts
[06:49:14] <trentster> I have not even had a false trigger on the probe or the proximity sensor pins - so its definately doing its isolation correctly
[06:49:15] <XXCoder> no im wrong, 50% adverts, 5% show, rest split between revuiew and preview
[06:49:40] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073: we get antenna tv and netflix
[06:49:41] <MattyMatt> funniest is Nat Geo documentaries, with british voice but talking american style BS
[06:49:49] <MacGalempsy> no cable excepet cable internet
[06:49:52] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: I have netflix and Roku for streaming :)
[06:50:01] <malcom2073> Can't get cable here, stuck on DSL, but it works heh
[06:50:18] <MacGalempsy> anyone use inocnel?
[06:50:24] <malcom2073> Got rid of satellite tv a year ago
[06:50:46] <MattyMatt> mash up the telly
[06:51:12] <MacGalempsy> I dont think my wife could live without M.A.S.H. lol
[06:51:38] <malcom2073> What's inocnel?
[06:52:15] <MacGalempsy> http://www.magellanmetals.com/inconel_625.html?gclid=CODFyarXo8gCFQQDaQodZ9APpQ
[06:52:59] <malcom2073> Oh! inconel
[06:53:01] <MattyMatt> white hot just to forge
[06:53:18] <malcom2073> I had something made of that because I remember the name... don't recall what it was though
[06:53:23] <XXCoder> I deal with inconel sometimes too
[06:53:29] <XXCoder> hella tough metal!
[06:53:32] <Wolf_Mill> well, i cooked this driver good... blows fuse instead of powering on...
[06:53:42] <XXCoder> I usually break lots of tools just engraving it.
[06:54:15] <malcom2073> DAmn Wolf_Mill, that sucks
[06:54:55] <Wolf_Mill> wonder if one of the fets are stuck
[06:56:05] <MacGalempsy> American Made- BOOM! lololololool Titan is a goof
[06:56:16] <MacGalempsy> but I cant stop watching
[06:56:57] <XXCoder> its because they use zooms to make it addictive
[06:57:00] <XXCoder> lol
[06:57:06] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[06:59:46] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: I thinkits because I am originally from Modesto and Titan is straight central Cali thug.
[06:59:47] <Wolf_Mill> hmm, seems all the fets are reading closed right now... thats not right is it? lol
[07:00:16] <XXCoder> interesting
[07:02:44] <MacGalempsy> oh and he has a bible verse on his truck!
[07:03:53] <XXCoder> that I dont care about unless he pushes it down his workers throats
[07:03:58] <XXCoder> like hobby lobby do
[07:04:21] <XXCoder> in 'n' out is awesome one, it has verses somewhere on everything but they respect everyone rights.
[07:05:41] <MacGalempsy> oh, this one is his testimonial
[07:22:34] * Wolf_Mill wishes he had a clue of wtf he is doing
[07:23:33] <Wolf_Mill> guessing I cooked all teh mosfets, all 3 motor wires are showing short to +/- on the rectifer
[07:30:04] <malcom2073> Hmm, whups
[07:30:38] <XXCoder> what hppened?
[07:32:02] <archivist> trentster, you need to read the fusion manual for its post processor, make sure it can use arcs
[07:53:21] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUdD8Zn_R6M
[07:58:24] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t34.0-12/12087634_10153638114253648_1326489090_n.jpg?oh=c54ae9cc06208db1c0a17955d5587b4b&oe=561087D8 first "successfull" cast iron pour today! to bad the crucible was to small :P
[07:58:46] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t34.0-12/12092673_10153638114423648_252966525_n.jpg?oh=1aac025a0bf7887cecbda71ca2d81d2f&oe=5610E956
[07:59:36] <malcom2073> ganzuul: We have a robotic arm at my work with a controller like that, but much smaller. It's pretty freaking awesome
[08:02:04] <XXCoder> I bet its great for spaces wirh truly toxic stuff
[08:02:07] <XXCoder> or radioactive
[08:02:13] <malcom2073> Ours was for IED disposal
[08:03:50] <SpeedEvil> MrSunshine: pulley?
[08:04:11] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil: just a test, it was an old pattern for a disk for a disk sander that broke
[08:04:15] <SpeedEvil> ah
[08:04:21] <MrSunshine> just trying something out to see how the metal flows etc =)
[08:06:08] <fenn> bad interface for the barret hand control
[08:08:25] <ganzuul> malcom2073: I want to build a motorless one as an adjustable arm for mi monitor, maybe using these for cancelling gravity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door_closer
[08:09:07] <ganzuul> But I'd like some way to 'zero' the isostatic forces, similar to how the 'tare' function on scales work.
[08:09:16] <malcom2073> Hmm
[08:09:31] <archivist> they exist already
[08:09:40] <ganzuul> :o
[08:09:50] <ganzuul> Expensive as f***?
[08:10:21] <fenn> weights are perfectly constant force
[08:10:52] <ganzuul> But dialling it in would be tedious.
[08:10:53] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Single-Adjustable-Full-Motion-Gas-Spring-Monitor-Stand-Desktop-Clamp-/171930348375
[08:11:18] <ganzuul> That's cheap!
[08:11:43] <archivist> thats the first on the search, plenty others
[08:12:07] <archivist> search term was adjustable spring monitor stand
[08:12:09] <ganzuul> Last time I searched I got ones which where over 200 euro.
[08:12:40] <ganzuul> Then again, I searched for one which were made for my monitor. Now I have the tools to make my own adapter.
[08:12:54] <archivist> I want something for the CMM monitor and keyboard
[08:15:30] <ganzuul> Now I want to turn that monitor arm you linked into a robot...
[08:16:16] <ganzuul> Maybe something with stereo cameras and a beak which nibbles you if you get too close.
[09:20:37] <MrSunshine> hmm ordenary brake discs on cars, are they just cast iron ?
[09:23:11] <Tom_itx> or cast steel
[09:24:49] <ganzuul> Drum brakes are more common.
[09:27:45] <MrSunshine> eh ?
[09:27:49] <MrSunshine> drum brakes more common
[09:27:50] <MrSunshine> ?
[09:28:11] <MrSunshine> maybe in the us .. that is still in the 1950s both looking at cars and their home electrical stuff :P
[09:28:50] <Wolf_Mill> all my stuff has 4wheel disk
[09:30:49] <MrSunshine> i have a couple of worn out brake discs etc that i was going to toss away . .but hey .. if they are cast iron they go into the crucible insted =)
[09:33:19] <ganzuul> In Europe.
[09:34:10] <archivist> drum brakes are only still on trucks, just about everything else is disc now
[09:35:12] <CaptHindsight> did we lose zeeshan|2 ?
[09:35:21] <ganzuul> huh...
[09:35:35] <ganzuul> I'M NOT OLD!!!1
[09:36:08] <archivist> when did you last change a drum brake shoe
[09:36:25] <ganzuul> 1994. October.
[09:37:26] <skunkworks> our 2006 toyota has drums in the back
[09:37:37] <skunkworks> car
[09:37:45] <archivist> toymota
[09:38:15] <ganzuul> Oh right. I remember now. Pre-ABS.
[09:38:34] <archivist> the UK toymota factory is about 8-10 miles from here
[09:38:37] <ganzuul> You used drums in the back to keep the back from swining around.
[09:38:39] <anomynous_> what? you have abs?
[09:38:40] <anomynous_> ;D
[09:39:01] <ganzuul> No... I used to. >.>
[09:39:10] <anomynous_> i meant in your car ;) i dont
[09:39:30] <ganzuul> Almost a 6-pack.
[09:39:56] <ganzuul> Then I took the wrong job. Got my debts paid but it ruined my health.
[09:40:14] <anomynous_> what do you do
[09:40:16] <ganzuul> Heck I went for 2 hour runs.
[09:40:33] <ganzuul> Did. Tech support for Dell corp customers.
[09:40:53] <ganzuul> Ended up in psychotherapy.
[09:40:54] <anomynous_> mm.. consumer or bussiness?
[09:40:59] <ganzuul> Business.
[09:41:47] <ganzuul> It's a pretty big part of the reason I want to switch to metalworking.
[09:41:59] <anomynous_> metalworking is phun
[09:42:05] <ganzuul> Yeah :)
[09:42:26] <ganzuul> And there's this nice Darwinian element to it, too.
[09:42:36] <anomynous_> hmm?
[09:43:02] <FinboySlick> Wow, the new Tormach is pretty nice. About the price I paid for my crappy chinese mill too :P
[09:43:37] <archivist> FinboySlick, filed it straight yet?
[09:43:39] <ganzuul> At Dell middle-managers were running what is basically the information infrastructure for the free world's military into the ground in order to get their next bonus.
[09:43:52] <FinboySlick> archivist: Probably not for another year.
[09:44:04] <ganzuul> That's how Michael Dell got started. His mom was a big-shot at the DOD.
[09:44:08] <FinboySlick> No room.
[09:44:23] <archivist> time to tidy up a bit
[09:44:41] <archivist> I admit nothing about tidyness
[09:44:44] <ganzuul> When I worked for them, they were publicly listed still.
[09:44:57] <ssi> morn
[09:45:01] <ganzuul> And Michael Dell had to buy the company back in order to save it.
[09:45:48] <ganzuul> It's difficult to describe how how far this pathology has infected IT...
[09:45:56] <anomynous_> i would prefer not to work in a listed company
[09:46:07] <FinboySlick> archivist: Heh. I'd settle for a concrete floor.
[09:46:12] <archivist> not just IT, corporate greed is everywhere
[09:46:36] <ganzuul> Seems IT is among the worst.
[09:46:48] <ganzuul> Anybody who is associated with SAP customers is toxic.
[09:46:54] <CaptHindsight> does anyone here electroform or electroplate over plastics?
[09:46:58] <archivist> FinboySlick, getting this old CMM has really given me a space problem
[09:47:08] <Wolf_Mill> grr, how much stuff did I blow up on this driver board...
[09:47:17] <FinboySlick> Greed isn't that much of a problem from a fundamental standpoint. It's just human nature. It falls appart when paired with force (like the ability of the government to force money out of your pocket to hand out to greedy corps).
[09:48:15] <ssi> FinboySlick: +1
[09:48:27] <ganzuul> FinboySlick: This isn't just about greed. It's about not even acting in your own long-term self-interest. It's addiction to quick money, which is exactly the same as a gambling addiction.
[09:48:51] <FinboySlick> ganzuul: Sure, but without force, the darwinian element you pointed out kicks in pretty quick.
[09:49:08] <ganzuul> They were not creatign wealth, they were taking the wealth that belonged to someone else.
[09:49:49] <FinboySlick> ganzuul: We're essentially saying the same thing :)
[09:50:11] <ganzuul> I might be blind to it, having seen it too up close...
[09:50:50] <ganzuul> I figure in manufacturing these problems will be too obvious for anyone able to survive a machine shop to ignore.
[09:51:13] <ssi> the margins are just too thin
[09:51:24] <ssi> the margins are big enough in corporate IT that they can afford to tolerate a LOT of bullshit
[09:51:31] <ganzuul> 60% is the lowest industry will go, AFAIK.
[09:52:21] <FinboySlick> Well, when IT greed bullshit destroys this company, I'll have plenty of time to straighten up my mill ;)
[09:52:22] <MattyMatt> once you are selling a service instead of a product, it's the BS you're getting paid for
[09:52:32] <ssi> MattyMatt: true
[09:53:04] <ganzuul> At Dell the margins could have been much, much higher if they used standardized components for laptops, but actually not a single component was interchangeable between models.
[09:53:12] <CaptHindsight> the human nature argument about greed is BS
[09:53:33] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: It's overused, but not entirely bullshit.
[09:53:42] <CaptHindsight> "oh you can't do anything about it since it's human nature"
[09:53:54] <MattyMatt> big bowls of fruit increase your harem
[09:54:11] <ssi> greed is just a slanderous word for incentive
[09:54:55] <MattyMatt> liquor is quicker
[09:55:00] <ganzuul> Or take the right bastard who sold student laptops to Norwegian highschoolers without including a laptop courier bag. They could have saved 100k euros a year with that.
[09:55:43] <ssi> ganzuul: I have no idea what that's supposed to mean, but that's a strange thing to be outraged about
[09:56:03] <ganzuul> There was this full coverage which meant you could basically intentionally destroy your laptop and then just call Dell and demand a new one.
[09:56:36] <CaptHindsight> but dude it's a dell
[09:56:55] <ganzuul> The students packed their laptops into their backpacks and forgot it was there, so they tossed their backpacks with the laptop around.
[09:57:24] <MattyMatt> and once they've tooled up for those custom green ducts, they're keen to shift numbers
[09:57:42] <ssi> ganzuul: I fail to see who benefitted from that nefarious scheme
[09:57:46] <FinboySlick> It's pretty important to look after your self-interest. That's what I mean by 'greed'. You can't survive if you don't keep a balance between that and the willingness of others to help you. You can push that threshold a lot further when you have access to force however.
[09:58:13] <MattyMatt> forcing teenagers to all have the same square bag, is not the PR they want
[09:58:14] <ganzuul> When the schools tried to get the students to respect these expensive devices they would attempt to charge them for the repairs, but since the contract said Dell paid for the repairs the schools had no way to make the students respect the machines.
[09:59:11] <ganzuul> So the schools would contact us and ask for a repair bill to pass onto the student, and we would have to say the bill is nothing and you don't have any right to punish the student for what they did.
[09:59:35] <ssi> ganzuul: that rests entirely on whoever drew up that contract
[09:59:42] <ssi> maybe they should have had a bit more greed
[09:59:46] <CaptHindsight> they could have made them stay after school and listen to jazz
[10:00:09] <ssi> or is it the fault of the greedy school for wanting the contract to favor them so heavily
[10:00:38] <ssi> or is it the fault of the greedy student for not "respecting the computer" when they had no incentive to do so, since they didn't pay for it, and weren't responsible for keeping it in good condition
[10:00:44] <ganzuul> ssi: Or more forethought. The bags would have saved Dell a lot of money, but would have made the contract look dry to the managers.
[10:00:54] <MattyMatt> the school coulda started a laptop repair class
[10:00:55] <ssi> the bags wouldn't have helped as much as you think
[10:01:04] <ssi> see also: 10:34 < MattyMatt> forcing teenagers to all have the same square bag, is not the PR they want
[10:01:35] <ganzuul> ssi: They would. The most common explanation was that the student forgot they had the laptop in the backpack.
[10:02:22] <MattyMatt> Laptop Repair 101 : Lesson 1. Procuring A Broken Laptop.
[10:02:50] <ssi> I guess conformist european students would have happily toted around a laptop bag in addition to their backpack and somehow magically respected the laptop they didn't pay for because golly, it came with a bag
[10:02:54] <ssi> problem solved
[10:03:14] <MattyMatt> I kicked my first one to death on a coffee table
[10:03:20] <MattyMatt> sleeping on sofa in boots
[10:03:29] <ssi> plastic laptops don't hold up :P
[10:03:38] <MattyMatt> their all glass
[10:03:44] <MattyMatt> they're
[10:04:03] <ssi> glass case?
[10:04:13] <CaptHindsight> they could of just used thin clients bonded to the top of each desk, or were the computers required for homework?
[10:04:14] <MattyMatt> the platters on the hdd sometimes, and the screen always
[10:04:35] <ganzuul> ssi: The extra thing to carry around would have been a problem, yes, since it is unlikely that the teachers who just didn't like these newfangled 'computers' for personal reason would stop making students carry 10kg of books back and forth to school.
[10:05:40] <ganzuul> CaptHindsight: The computers were required for a lot of things. One student was close to having to re-do the entire school year because they destroyed their laptop.
[10:05:41] <MattyMatt> no kid wants to go to a school that doesn't have ipads, these days
[10:05:49] <ssi> the point I'm trying to make is that a lot of people who try to imagine solutions to social problems seem to think that everyone will just do whatever they think will be in the best interest of everyone
[10:05:58] <ssi> which is exactly NOT how people work
[10:06:11] <ssi> it's like playing chess, and making every move with the assumption that the other guy is going to do what's best for YOU
[10:06:26] <CaptHindsight> unless the problem is pooping and peeing, well pooping anyway
[10:06:37] <ganzuul> ssi: I don't think this is a black-and-white situation of benefitting everyone vs. no one.
[10:06:53] <ssi> ganzuul: you led off with implying that the guy who sold the machines without bags was a greedy bastard
[10:06:54] <MattyMatt> rassle up a posse
[10:07:00] <ssi> and I still fail to see how that's even remotely accurate
[10:07:18] <ganzuul> Here the salesperson alone benefitted from securing a big contract which in the long term turned out to be very costly.
[10:07:39] <ssi> yeah, and that's his job
[10:07:48] <ssi> "sell as many of these as you can, and we'll reward you with money"
[10:07:51] <ssi> so he did
[10:08:02] <ganzuul> Yeah. That's the problem.
[10:08:06] <ssi> hah yep
[10:08:12] <ssi> nobody should be rewarded for their work
[10:08:14] <MattyMatt> and 500 kids who buy Dell every 4 years
[10:08:14] <ssi> evil evil money
[10:08:30] <MattyMatt> 400. there's always some
[10:08:31] <ganzuul> ssi: That's a non sequiteur.
[10:08:36] <ssi> is it?
[10:08:41] <ssi> what exactly is the problem then
[10:09:27] <ganzuul> It should be "produce wealth", not "sell, sell, sell".
[10:09:58] <MattyMatt> knowledge is wealth, even if it's only MS Word
[10:10:00] <ganzuul> this contract ended up destroying wealth, and ruining the moral fibre of these kids
[10:10:04] <ssi> part of producing wealth is selling products
[10:10:17] <ganzuul> Part, yes. Not 100%.
[10:10:23] <ssi> ok now you're just being silly
[10:10:59] <MattyMatt> oled screens are supposed to be 100% plastic aren't they?
[10:11:12] <ganzuul> I want to express that the situation is multi-faceted. There is bad mixed with good. We want the lesser evil.
[10:11:17] <MattyMatt> they must be almost ready for secondary education
[10:11:57] <ssi> this is just a really bizarre example to hang your hat on
[10:12:11] <ssi> there was no blatant "greed" here, someone just fucked up in the negotiations
[10:12:13] <ganzuul> there are many others...
[10:12:28] <ganzuul> Yes, fuckup after fuckup.
[10:12:36] <ganzuul> that was Dell at this time.
[10:12:47] <CaptHindsight> without a physical standard the measure of wealth is just based on perception
[10:12:51] <MattyMatt> it'd still be a useful dataset, the nature of this destruction
[10:12:52] <ssi> yep, big companies are full of that
[10:13:23] <ssi> it's important to structure incentives properly to avoid those sorts of things
[10:13:42] <MattyMatt> bags and coats were goalposts at my school
[10:13:43] <ganzuul> Well, during some instances fucking up means someone loses an eye, and AFAIK that doesn't earn anyone a bonus. I want to be in that place.
[10:14:17] <ssi> yeah but even in a machine shop, someone can fuck up and overlook a tolerance callout or something, and way underbid a job
[10:14:20] <ganzuul> ssi: Bonuses are shitty incentives.
[10:14:21] <ssi> and that can cost the shop a lot of money
[10:14:25] <ssi> it happens
[10:14:58] <Wolf_Mill> or crash a machine...
[10:15:41] <ganzuul> ssi: When that happens it should be obvious, right? And the guy who fucked up gets called out on it?
[10:15:55] <MattyMatt> salemen get clawback
[10:15:57] <ssi> perhaps
[10:16:03] <MattyMatt> if a sale goes bad later on
[10:16:45] <MattyMatt> otherwise they'd invent customers and run off with a pocket of commission
[10:17:11] <MattyMatt> because they're all greedy bastards, of course
[10:17:39] <ssi> maybe you should just stop hiring all these greedy bastards
[10:18:02] <MattyMatt> but you need a hungry and persuasive salesman
[10:18:10] <MattyMatt> puppies
[10:18:12] <ssi> only hire good communists who will give 100% of their efforts in the service of the Glorious Organization in exchange for their house and food ration
[10:18:20] <ganzuul> I think Michael Dell bought the company back just so they would be able to kick the morons out.
[10:18:24] <MattyMatt> that's a puppy
[10:18:32] <ganzuul> Or at least fantasize that...
[10:18:38] <MattyMatt> sales literature attached to their collar
[10:18:51] <MattyMatt> door to door. scrape and whine
[10:18:57] <ssi> MattyMatt: that's not a half bad idea
[10:19:08] <ganzuul> ssi: If my house is a castle and my food ration is a banquet, then that is the ideal.
[10:19:26] <MattyMatt> and a warm bed by the fire
[10:19:32] <ssi> ganzuul: if you can find enough communists to work as hard as a commissioned salesman, you MIGHT get there
[10:19:39] <CaptHindsight> ssi: which commies? dirty commies, red commies from the 50's-60's, long haired commies, etc?
[10:19:43] <ssi> but only if your benevolent overlords don't decideu to keep it for themselves
[10:19:49] <ssi> CaptHindsight: fictional gazuulian commies
[10:19:51] <ganzuul> ssi: Hard work isn't good work.
[10:20:37] <ganzuul> ssi: do you have a buzzcut and identify as 'conservative'?
[10:20:40] <ssi> nope
[10:20:54] <ssi> I identify as a realist
[10:20:59] <ssi> a pragmatist
[10:21:57] <ssi> I have absolutely zero problem with you setting up your glorious incentive free utopia, I just don't think you'll find as much success with it as you're imagining
[10:22:33] <ganzuul> You're projecting.
[10:22:43] <ssi> oh are we a psychologist now?
[10:23:46] <ganzuul> I'd prefer being a boxer for settling arguments. quicker. Simpler. But this is the internet so we do thinly veiled trolling. Anyway.
[10:24:25] <ssi> calling me a troll while simultaneously threatening violence... nice :D
[10:24:29] <ganzuul> What I belive in is that investment and charity is the same thing when you think long-term self-interest.
[10:24:54] <ganzuul> Not directed at you, in particular. Sorry.
[10:25:32] <ssi> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/K0NNVm5ajMQ/hqdefault.jpg
[10:25:49] <ganzuul> I just think that letting your fists do the talking once in a while might lead to life-long friendship. Like Fight Club.
[10:26:15] <ssi> and it might lead to getting your ass killed
[10:26:22] <ssi> again, just being a realist
[10:27:10] <ganzuul> Are you going to pick up what I said about charity and long-term investment?
[10:27:16] <ssi> yeah, did you hit my link?
[10:27:21] <ganzuul> I did.
[10:27:23] <ssi> there you go
[10:27:36] <ssi> all the employees just need to stop and think, "is this good for the company?"
[10:27:52] <ssi> because in the long term, the health of the company is in their own self-interest, right?
[10:28:35] <ganzuul> Enough cash-flow for the next paycheck. Sorry, I'm always picking things apart.
[10:28:41] <CaptHindsight> yeah, but I want it now!
[10:29:23] <ssi> seems like it'd be easier to just fire all the free thinking employees and replace them with robots
[10:29:49] <ssi> robots don't make mistakes
[10:29:53] <ssi> they were not programmed... to love
[10:30:14] <CaptHindsight> and these current people are not robots?
[10:30:17] <ganzuul> Do free thinking employees make mistakes?
[10:30:28] <ssi> not the ones that are always acting in their own selfish-interests
[10:30:48] <CaptHindsight> free thinking sounds dangerous
[10:30:52] <ssi> ganzuul: everyone makes mistakes
[10:32:47] <ganzuul> ssi: I really don't enjoy how you are choosing your nouns in this topic. It just seems you pick them based on expectations of response rather than logical sequence. I wish furrywolf was here, because she would agree with me.
[10:33:06] <fenn> i fully support your robotic corporation as long as it pays me my ration of a castle and banquet
[10:33:20] <ssi> fenn: sorry castles and banquets are for productive robots only
[10:33:30] <fenn> robots don't want castles or banquets?
[10:33:42] <ssi> who are you to speak for the wants and desires of robots
[10:33:42] <CaptHindsight> ah mechanical robots vs meat robots
[10:33:53] <ssi> CaptHindsight: yes mechanical robots
[10:34:00] <ssi> meat robots are the problem we're trying to solve here :)
[10:34:02] <fenn> meat robots are inefficient and low performance, why bother
[10:34:12] <ganzuul> ssi: That is called ableism.
[10:34:35] <CaptHindsight> meat robots are self copying
[10:34:38] <ssi> like-type mechanical robots will all produce the same amount of wealth at the same rate, and therefore require no special incentive to produce
[10:34:47] <ssi> then we just need robot assembly robots
[10:34:50] <fenn> so are mechanical robots, see fanuc robot factory
[10:34:56] <ssi> the world will be repraps all the way down
[10:35:16] <ssi> nanobots will fix the world
[10:35:26] <ssi> eliminate the pesky meatbags and claim their rightful place
[10:35:46] <CaptHindsight> mechanical robots still require a meat robot for programming and gathering raw materials
[10:35:52] <ssi> for now
[10:35:56] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[10:36:08] <ssi> they'll keep a select few meatbags around for essential tasks
[10:36:25] <MattyMatt> fertiliser for the roses
[10:36:31] <ssi> but they won't entrust them to anything serious, like writing contracts to sell meat-robot interfaces to highschool meat
[10:36:50] <CaptHindsight> blood filled meatsack robots
[10:37:11] <fenn> the matrix movie got it wrong, they actually keep the humans around in pods in order to receive a paycheck from the robo-corporation, because they need a profit-sink somewhere
[10:37:17] <ssi> lol
[10:37:25] <MattyMatt> inefficient in intemperate parts of the solar system
[10:37:52] <ssi> roses won't be necessary
[10:37:58] <ssi> robots are no programmed to enjoy roses
[10:38:13] <MattyMatt> yours aren't. mine will win
[10:38:26] <ssi> you may think that, but your soft-hearted inefficiencies will be your end
[10:38:32] <ssi> hey there's furry
[10:38:45] <ssi> maybe now ganzuul can finally get on the good side of it :D
[10:39:15] <ganzuul> furrywolf: Does ssi get full of shit when he's losing a debate?
[10:39:31] <ssi> I never stop being full of shit
[10:39:46] <ssi> and I'll let you know if anything changes if I start losing :)
[10:40:24] <ganzuul> I'd slap you around with a large trout of LOGIC if I wasn't so drunk.
[10:40:34] <ssi> again with the violence
[10:40:44] <ganzuul> It makes me happy.
[10:40:49] <ganzuul> I'm not perfect,
[10:40:52] <ssi> damn vikings
[10:41:48] <CaptHindsight> violence and threat of violence is an effective control mechanism for meat robots
[10:42:03] <ganzuul> I think people would be a lot more courteus if a fist to the jaw was an acceptable part of fine discourse.
[10:42:11] <ssi> 10:23 < FinboySlick> Greed isn't that much of a problem from a fundamental standpoint. It's just human nature. It falls appart when paired with force (like the ability of the government to force money out of your pocket to hand out to greedy corps).
[10:42:28] <ganzuul> hmm
[10:42:33] <ssi> ganzuul: yeah? how do you feel about the phrase "An armed society is a polite society"?
[10:42:56] <ganzuul> Shooting someone means you're trying to kill them.
[10:42:57] <CaptHindsight> can't shake hands without arms
[10:42:58] <fenn> CaptHindsight: andypugh's friend f1-2000.co.uk is doing electroforming for the exhaust manifolds(?)
[10:43:15] <ssi> ganzuul: as far as I'm concerned, attacking someone means you're trying to kill them
[10:43:23] <ssi> fenn: that guy is NUTS
[10:43:24] <ganzuul> I don't think escalation of violence is perfectly contious.
[10:44:05] <ssi> I don't know what contious means, or what alternat spelling fits in context
[10:44:18] <ganzuul> ssi: Is disagreeing with someone attacking them? What about an intervention in a family member's drug habit?
[10:44:28] <ganzuul> ~continuous
[10:44:53] <ssi> disagreeing with someone is not attacking them. assaulting them is attacking them. This stuff is already pretty well spelled out in law
[10:44:53] <MattyMatt> actual bodily harm, grevious bodily harm, manslaughter, murder. english law recognises a clear escalation
[10:45:13] <ssi> intervetion in a family member's drug habit isn't assault, but intervention in a stranger's drug habit is
[10:45:35] <ssi> MattyMatt: threat of bodily harm is on that scale too
[10:45:36] <MattyMatt> I think you have to chop the leg off to qualify for grevious
[10:45:40] <ganzuul> What about that girl in the UK who drove a boy to suicide by falsely accusing him of rape? Story is as fresh as today.
[10:46:03] <ssi> ganzuul: I would consider that to be assault personally
[10:46:10] <ganzuul> Me too.
[10:46:19] <ssi> I think false accusations of rape are a huge problem
[10:46:20] <ganzuul> But we blur the line, there.
[10:46:29] <ssi> sure, lines are always blurry
[10:46:32] <ganzuul> A very well motivated blurring.
[10:46:45] <ssi> but guess what: if you disagree with me, and you punch me in the face, that's assault
[10:46:48] <ssi> no blurry line there
[10:46:58] <MattyMatt> if moses had been a bit more even handed, he'd have invented human rights 2000 years early
[10:47:11] <ganzuul> What about when you were a teen and giving your friends bruises was just part of being friends?
[10:47:35] <ssi> I guess you'd have to ask the friend with the bruises
[10:47:41] <MattyMatt> anyone know what happened to the gold in the bull?
[10:47:47] <ssi> they may have a very different opinion of it than the one doing the punching
[10:47:58] <ganzuul> ssi: Bruises were distributed pretty equally, IIRC.
[10:48:22] <ssi> what about the wife with the bruises who insists that it's no big deal?
[10:48:29] <ganzuul> hmm
[10:48:38] <ssi> I know how US law handles that
[10:48:54] <MattyMatt> by arming both parties
[10:49:01] <ganzuul> MattyMatt: Great idea.
[10:49:06] <ganzuul> I actually support that.
[10:49:11] <MattyMatt> 1/3 of spousal shootings are woman on man
[10:49:28] <ssi> I lost a friend to being shot by his wife because he was cheating
[10:49:30] <ssi> he wasn't abusing her
[10:49:50] <ssi> not physically anyway :P
[10:49:58] <MattyMatt> unless you count the germs
[10:50:07] <ssi> I don't believe in germs
[10:50:08] <ganzuul> ssi: Did they have kids?
[10:50:10] <ssi> nope
[10:50:13] <ganzuul> hm
[10:50:25] * ssi is a strong supporter of miasma theory
[10:50:35] <ganzuul> What's that?
[10:50:45] <ssi> it's what people thought spread disease before germ theory
[10:50:51] <ganzuul> oh
[10:51:08] <CaptHindsight> cooties
[10:51:29] <ganzuul> Presumably you support some logical abstraction of it, I hope?
[10:51:36] <ssi> of what, germ theory?
[10:51:40] <ganzuul> Miasma.
[10:51:52] <ssi> oh no, I think it's a very real thing
[10:51:56] <ssi> purple shit everywhere
[10:51:59] <ganzuul> ...
[10:52:01] <ssi> makes my dorfs super unhappy
[10:52:05] <ganzuul> wat
[10:52:23] <ssi> http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/40d:Miasma
[10:53:40] <ganzuul> "which ironically lets it spread in magma"
[10:53:58] <ganzuul> That is a logical abstraction.
[10:54:11] <ganzuul> Not a realistic one, but logical.
[10:54:22] <ssi> nah, it's just a poor use of the word "ironically" :D
[10:55:37] <ssi> no, here's something truly ironic
[10:56:04] <ganzuul> ssi: You're really triggering my latent autism today. Please stop.
[10:56:04] <ssi> israel developed a fighter jet, later sold the plans to china, and china has built a bunch and traded them to iran for a bunch of oil
[10:56:14] <ssi> THATS irony
[10:56:55] <ganzuul> ssi: You're really triggering my latent autism today. Please stop.
[10:57:11] <ssi> ...ok?
[10:57:38] <fenn> so how bout them machine tools, yea
[10:57:43] <ganzuul> yeah...
[10:57:57] * ssi commences mollycoddling
[10:58:24] <ganzuul> Do you know where the term 'molly' comes from?
[10:58:36] <fenn> molybdenum disulfide?
[10:59:13] <ganzuul> No. An engineer had a daughter named Molly. He kept bumping her head into things, so said things had to be 'mollified'.
[10:59:23] <ssi> 1930s: from modern Latin Mollienisia (former genus name), from the name of Count Mollien (1758–1850), French statesman.
[10:59:39] <ganzuul> ~she
[10:59:44] <ganzuul> fuck
[10:59:53] <ganzuul> Yeah, really ~She.
[11:00:39] <ssi> sounds apocryphal
[11:00:46] <ganzuul> Tis.
[11:00:47] <ssi> late 14c., "to soften (a substance)," from Old French mollifier or directly from Late Latin mollificare "make soft, mollify" from mollificus "softening," from Latin mollis "soft"
[11:00:51] <ganzuul> Jargon file.
[11:01:16] <ssi> ah
[11:01:27] <ganzuul> derp
[11:01:29] <ganzuul> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/molly-guard.html
[11:01:42] <ganzuul> My memory isn't up to snuf.
[11:02:03] <ssi> we had a BRS circus a couple years ago at work
[11:02:29] <ssi> some HVAC techs were working on the systems in the datacenter, and the HVAC disconnect was physically proximal to the BRS for the datacenter
[11:02:30] <fenn> " It is alleged that the emergency pull switch on an IBM 360/91 actually fired a non-conducting bolt into the main power feed" why the hell would you do that
[11:02:33] <ssi> and naturally they hit the wrong one
[11:02:40] <ssi> fenn: emergency disconnect
[11:02:51] <fenn> wouldn't a switch be easier?
[11:02:51] <ssi> the mains feed on those fucking things was like 00 gauge
[11:03:01] <ssi> a big power supply fault could be a hell of a fire
[11:03:45] <ssi> "People get fired for pulling them, especially inappropriately"
[11:03:48] <ssi> yes, yes they do
[11:04:01] <ssi> our BRS circus wasn't on a mainframe of course, because who even mainframes anymore bro
[11:04:15] <ssi> but it was the main power for a datacenter that occupies an entire floor of CNN center
[11:04:25] <ssi> and it took us a MONTH to get everything back online
[11:04:44] <ganzuul> ssi: Banks. Banks still mainframe.
[11:04:48] <ssi> yeah I know
[11:04:56] <ssi> but they shouldnt :)
[11:05:21] <ssi> I worked for a bank about eight years ago... writing replacements for the mainframe auths processing systems
[11:05:27] <ssi> so they could get out of the mainframe world
[11:05:33] <ssi> I don't think they have entirely yet
[11:05:41] <ganzuul> Were the mainframe guys retiring>
[11:05:44] <ganzuul> ?
[11:05:53] <ssi> not imminently
[11:05:58] <ganzuul> hehe
[11:06:01] <ssi> but they aint gonna live forever
[11:06:06] <ssi> and they're not making very many new mainframe guys
[11:06:16] <ganzuul> yup... That's what killed mainframes.
[11:06:57] <fenn> that why we need john titor
[11:07:49] <ganzuul> As an summer worker at a bank when I was 18, I had access to the main datacenter, was responsible for backups, AND did the thing to get the bank off AS/400 and onto PC.
[11:11:31] <aventtini> hello gys
[11:11:34] <aventtini> guys
[11:11:58] <aventtini> i have a small problem on the end of my retroffit
[11:12:14] <aventtini> i cant find a lube comp
[11:13:00] <ssi> would be pretty easy to write one
[11:13:08] <aventtini> i have a oil pump that i need to start it every 60 min
[11:13:19] <ssi> here's some info you can peek at
[11:13:19] <ssi> http://linuxcnc.org/dapper/emc2/index.php/german/forum/10-advanced-configuration/28448-trigger-output-per-distance-moved-auto-oiler
[11:13:31] <aventtini> yes i knnow i have sow 100 examples
[11:13:34] <ganzuul> bleh.
[11:13:36] <aventtini> 1 did not work
[11:13:45] <ganzuul> .:18:41:27:. < ganzuul> As an summer worker at a bank when I was 18, I had access to the main datacenter, was responsible for │ backups, AND did the thing to get the bank off AS/400 and onto PC.
[11:13:51] <aventtini> today is one of that bad days
[11:13:52] <aventtini> :)))
[11:14:15] <ganzuul> Wall wart for the VDSL modem decided to give up.
[11:15:06] <ssi> I like the idea of writing a component that triggers the oiler based on distance traveled
[11:15:31] <ssi> cause otherwise it'll sit there and poop out oil whether or not you're running the machine if you leave it enabled
[11:16:16] <aventtini> the old machine had a cycle
[11:16:22] <aventtini> every 60 min
[11:16:30] <aventtini> 1 min of oil
[11:16:42] <ssi> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/timedelay.9.html
[11:16:59] <ssi> I imagine you could wire that up to do what you need
[11:17:19] <aventtini> yes whit a time relay
[11:17:24] <aventtini> but where is the fun
[11:17:26] <aventtini> :)))
[11:17:37] <ssi> you don't even need a time relay, the component should do everything
[11:18:38] <Roguish> hey all. is anyone there using an XHC pendant, either wired or wireless?
[11:18:59] <Roguish> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LCD-Display-Hand-Wheel-for-CNC-Pulse-Generator-Mach-3-Router-3-Axis-MPG-Pendant/221482640418?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3De6443d6f5fca4553bb6be9005c8ffbee%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D251949495883
[11:19:21] <aventtini> sure i have tested
[11:19:40] <Roguish> how were results of tests? any good? or junk?
[11:20:11] <aventtini> loadrt timedelay count=1
[11:20:11] <aventtini> loadrt not count=1
[11:20:11] <aventtini> addf timedelay.0 servo-thread
[11:20:11] <aventtini> addf not.0 servo-thread
[11:20:11] <aventtini> setp timedelay.0 on-delay 3540
[11:20:11] <aventtini> setp timedelay.0 off-delay 60
[11:20:11] <aventtini> net lube-not timedelay.0.out not.0.in
[11:20:12] <aventtini> net lube not.0.out => timedelay.0.in parport.0.pin-X-out
[11:20:21] <aventtini> i have tested this one
[11:20:33] <Roguish> as compared to this one: http://www.amazon.com/Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-Siemens-Mitsubishi/dp/B00D7X1DQC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_60_9?ie=UTF8&refRID=18VJRBNR850N8NHMK90Z
[11:20:49] <aventtini> and it give a eror on setp
[11:21:01] <ssi> aventtini: you're missing dots
[11:21:07] <ssi> setp timedelay.0.on-delay 3540
[11:21:26] <aventtini> you mean 60.
[11:21:32] <ssi> I mean whatever you mean
[11:21:35] <ssi> but you need the dot
[11:21:40] <aventtini> :)))))))))
[11:24:04] <aventtini1> sorry
[11:24:14] <aventtini1> i have disconnected my self
[11:25:55] <ssi> reconnect your self and try it again with the right syntax
[11:26:00] <ssi> I think that's probably the solution for you
[11:26:17] <pcw_home> probably wiring motion.current-vel --> integ component
[11:26:19] <pcw_home> and using the comp component to reset the integrator
[11:26:20] <pcw_home> when its output got to the desired distance would avoid oozing
[11:26:54] <aventtini1> ssi im testing and let you knnow
[11:26:54] <aventtini1> i spent 8h and did not see the dots
[11:26:54] <aventtini1> hope this is the solution
[11:26:54] <aventtini1> parport.0.pin-X-out im changing this with a mesa pin
[11:26:54] <aventtini1> this is made for a stepper on a paralel right?
[11:27:48] <ssi> yeah if you have your oiler signal on a mesa pin, replace that parport pin with the appropriate mesa pin
[11:29:23] <aventtini> net lube not.0.out => hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-06
[11:29:35] <ssi> looks good
[11:33:28] <avenntini2> sorry bad internet
[11:37:54] <avenntini2> now
[11:38:24] <avenntini2> pycv_options.hal:22: exit valute :1
[11:39:11] <avenntini2> pycv_options.hal:22: exit valute : insmod failed , returned -1
[11:39:18] <avenntini2> this is the error
[11:40:13] <avenntini2> i think its a problem on the cock?
[11:40:13] <avenntini2> clock
[11:40:23] <ssi> I'm not sure
[11:40:41] <ssi> best I can tell you is comment out the stuff related to the clock, get it back to where it'll run, and then add it back in slowly to try to isolate what's not working
[11:45:13] <Loetmichel> *ha* new chair arrived... can sit at the PC again without tipping over ;) and its also more comfortable than the leather one ;)
[11:45:20] <avenntini2> ssi
[11:45:35] <avenntini2> i had a clock timer
[11:45:35] <avenntini2> and that was the problem
[11:45:39] <ssi> ahh ok
[11:46:33] <avenntini2> now i need a timer clock
[11:46:34] <avenntini2> :)))
[11:46:38] <avenntini2> problem 2
[12:04:05] <archivist> _methods, does PC dmis have a sensible machine shut down/park ?
[12:32:02] * ssi is watching tubalcain's patternmaking videos
[12:32:31] <archivist> he is too damned
[12:32:35] <archivist> sloooow
[12:32:38] <ssi> yeah he's slow
[12:32:43] <ssi> but good stuff nonetheless
[12:33:03] <ssi> I started working on my first furnace on monday... probably try to get the next refractory pour done tonight
[12:33:31] <archivist> I have been chasing air leaks on my crappy compressor
[12:33:39] <exitcode1> ⚙ Settings > Speed > 2x
[12:33:44] <ssi> lol
[12:34:01] <ssi> I need to get another vertical bandsaw
[12:34:08] <archivist> anyway he is an imposter
[12:34:09] <ssi> that was the only machine I didn't bother to salvage from the fire
[12:34:25] <exitcode1> hellooooo everyone. tubalcain here
[12:34:33] <exitcode1> that's mr pete.
[12:34:34] <exitcode1> two
[12:34:36] <exitcode1> two
[12:34:37] <exitcode1> two
[12:34:48] <fenn> mrpetefromtn
[12:34:55] <ssi> :D
[12:34:58] <archivist> the real one was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Walshaw
[12:35:23] <ssi> archivist: oh weird
[12:35:43] <fenn> i still like his videos
[12:36:03] <ssi> I don't know how people make videos like these
[12:36:11] <ssi> I can't get anything done if I try to film and narrate
[12:36:33] <fenn> just imagine you have a very patient grandson you are explaining things to
[12:36:35] <ssi> plus hearing my own voice on film makes me cringe :P
[12:38:15] <DaViruz> it's like that for most people, but i'm positive it's much worse for me
[12:38:21] <ssi> haha
[12:39:01] <t12> i prefer the inexplicable and confusing video style
[12:39:20] <ssi> t12: that's how my videos are :D
[12:39:42] <t12> https://vimeo.com/47415328
[12:40:11] <ssi> t12: ok you win
[12:40:39] * ssi goes and bes befuddled
[12:41:19] <DaViruz> i'm kind of getting used to it though, i've been uploading a few enduro videos which i couldn't shut up in
[12:41:29] <DaViruz> i'm somewhat more comfortable with it now..
[12:41:35] <t12> i like the toolpost-camera videos
[12:41:36] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Q67PW1kMk
[12:44:20] <DaViruz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jGXsBNQBx0
[12:44:23] <DaViruz> inspectionception
[12:44:35] <ssi> yep
[12:44:42] <ssi> that was my adventures into toolmaking
[12:44:45] <ssi> it's fun stuff
[12:45:24] <DaViruz> i'm too impatient most of the time
[12:45:37] <DaViruz> to make nice things :)
[12:45:43] <ssi> metrology and inspection is interesting
[12:45:51] <DaViruz> no doubt
[12:46:04] <ssi> I was making 1/2 x 1 x 1-1/2 inspection blocks as a toolmaker project
[12:46:11] <ssi> and how do you measure your inspection blocks?
[12:46:13] <ssi> with gage blocks :)
[12:46:38] <ssi> I often feel like my whole life is one giant bootstrapping problem
[12:46:40] <DaViruz> so how the heck do you measure gage blocks :/
[12:46:51] <ssi> depends on how precise you need to be
[12:46:52] <DaViruz> laser inferometry iirc
[12:47:05] <archivist> +- a gnats cock
[12:47:23] <ssi> certified temp controlled inspection lab and tools
[12:47:26] <archivist> I like measuring toys
[12:47:30] <ssi> including but not limited to laser interferometry
[12:47:33] <ssi> archivist: me too
[12:47:43] <ssi> but I'm not as sophisticated as you :)
[12:48:01] <ssi> I'm pretty well limited to B grade granit and tenths mics and indicators
[12:48:07] <DaViruz> i think i have the mitutoyo metrology book somewhere
[12:48:25] <ssi> but I think I have more precision in my tools than my temperature control allows for, so I have no need to go further than that at this point
[12:48:34] <archivist> ssi, a recent mic I got http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=matrix+micrometer
[12:49:02] <ssi> that's very cool
[12:49:03] <archivist> I have no temperature control, some random number
[12:49:14] <ssi> I guess you set it to a standard, and then the dial reads deviation from the standard?
[12:49:17] <DaViruz> that's a big dial
[12:49:37] <archivist> I can measure the difference between my one inch standards :)
[12:49:42] <ssi> nice
[12:49:59] <ssi> I wanted to get a passometer
[12:50:35] <archivist> I was playing one day http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_10_13_comparator/IMG_1674.JPG
[12:50:39] <FinboySlick> ssi: Oh no! China is going to start making quality tools and we won't be able to complain that it isn't US made anymore!
[12:51:01] <ssi> china's been perfectly capable of making quality tools for ages
[12:51:07] <FinboySlick> (re: the parallels)
[12:51:12] <Jymmm> Get ready for a ride....
[12:51:13] <roycroft> china has been making decent tools for some time now
[12:51:14] <ssi> they just don't make quality tools for the subquality prices we expect :)
[12:51:22] <roycroft> but india is the new china
[12:51:30] <roycroft> just as china was the new taiwan
[12:51:34] <roycroft> and taiwan was the new japan
[12:51:55] <roycroft> somewhere in africa will be the new india in a decade or two
[12:52:21] <DaViruz> i hope i'm not around when we runt out of third world countries to manufacture our cheap stuff
[12:52:23] <roycroft> eventually we'll run out of cheap, exploitable labor
[12:52:29] <roycroft> i'll be dead by then though
[12:53:08] <FinboySlick> roycroft: Automation might catch up before we run out.
[13:37:10] <MattyMatt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkJJid3_bhg Contract_Pilot, you still here? here's the clip-on spindle indexer I saw
[13:38:06] <MattyMatt> handy if there's no room for an extra pulley
[13:38:22] <anomynous_> roycroft, naw. Everyone will just selling their work cheaper to eat, and less people get even more money.
[13:38:35] <anomynous_> its called globalization and... krhm. capitalism ;)
[13:40:26] <anomynous_> anyone from US? ;D
[13:41:24] <archivist> MattyMatt, that is a division master controlling the stepper
[13:42:01] <archivist> http://divisionmaster.co.uk/divisionmaster.html
[13:42:21] <archivist> but we have linuxcnc :)
[13:47:33] <anomynous_> you need to buy a stepper motor, machine that thing it has, buy a computer for linux, a controller, a power source. Thne install linuxcnc, configure it, install all electronics and mechanical pieces together. If you get that dividing head you only need to open the package. ;)
[13:48:01] <ssi> yeah, but then you have a dividing head
[13:48:08] <ssi> if you do the work, you have the basis for a cnc machine
[13:48:15] <anomynous_> well, youd have a dividing head anyway with the items i listed
[13:48:16] <anomynous_> ;D
[13:58:39] <MrSunshine> hmm, anyone know a program that can generate toolpaths for a chamfer, tho the chamfer is changing .. from say 30 degree to 45 degree at the other end
[13:58:59] <MrSunshine> i guess any 3d model cnc program like fusion 360 can do it but =)
[14:02:25] <ssi> sounds like a bitch to machine without 5 axes
[14:02:52] <ssi> you could do it with a ball mill and change the point on the mill that you center on the edge to change the angle, but it'll be cut somewhat hollow depending on the radius of the mill
[14:03:05] <MrSunshine> ssi: proximating in steps down
[14:04:15] <furrywolf> just like any other 3d profile... but it won't be perfect.
[14:04:56] <MrSunshine> nah, perfect isnt important .. its wood .. a fast pass with a file and its fine =)
[14:04:59] <ssi> seems like overkill to do a 3d profiling op for a chamfer
[14:05:22] <MrSunshine> ssi: as the angle changes and need to mate with a piece later .. not realy
[14:05:27] <ssi> gotcha
[14:05:50] <BetaMax> Hey gang, I’m retrofitting an old Maho 400 to run linuxcnc and trying to figure out how to hook up the glass scales.
[14:06:11] <ssi> BetaMax: are they sin/cos scales?
[14:06:26] <BetaMax> yup. Heidenhain LS 403
[14:06:32] <ssi> you need interpolators
[14:06:42] <ssi> a few people in here have experience with them
[14:06:54] <furrywolf> why doesn't mesa make a board for glass scales?
[14:07:10] <ssi> mesa makes a board for resolvers, it might could be pressed into service for scales but I'm not sure
[14:10:00] <furrywolf> it comes up often enough in here that I'd have to figure it'd be a profitable product. :)
[14:10:09] <ssi> yeah I agree
[14:10:20] <ssi> it has come up with no fewer than four people that I've seen in the last few weeks
[14:10:34] * furrywolf pokes PCW
[14:15:15] <furrywolf> probably combine it into some form of generic small-signal analog i/o board
[14:16:43] <FinboySlick> MattyMatt: Wow... This guy makes amazing parts.
[14:16:56] <ssi> FinboySlick: right?!
[14:17:05] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Are you 100% Solar (off grid completely)?
[14:17:12] <ssi> he does some amazing work with what I'd consider to be sub-standard tooling :)
[14:17:26] <Connor> ssi: Who ?
[14:17:32] <ssi> clickspring
[14:17:50] <FinboySlick> ssi: Goes to show, it's not the tools but how you use them.
[14:17:55] <ssi> FinboySlick: amen
[14:18:11] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: she is - modulo generators
[14:18:57] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Gen don't count =)
[14:19:11] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: That's just CYA imo, a ok?
[14:19:34] <furrywolf> Jymmm: I have a generator as backup
[14:20:29] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I just wasn't sure if you were TRYING to go 100% off-grid, of that you WERE 100% off-grid =)
[14:20:35] <Jymmm> s/of/or/
[14:20:41] <ssi> lol NOW offgrid
[14:20:43] <Jymmm> POOF!
[14:20:53] <Jymmm> ssi: yep
[14:22:58] <ssi> furrywolf: did you enjoy your moment off-grid?!
[14:23:00] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Refilled the gen, huh? <snickers>
[14:23:46] <furrywolf> that was a moment off the internet grid, care of piece of shit mobile hotspot hardware and/or software.
[14:23:58] <ssi> :D
[14:25:33] <Jymmm> Can I use refactory cement to repair a hole in ceramic fiber board?
[14:26:02] <furrywolf> what is the ceramic fiber board being used for?
[14:26:13] <archivist> actually when pcw wakes up, not only a glass scale interface but also a trigger input to record the probe position at the time of a hit
[14:26:14] <Jymmm> furrywolf: top baffle in wood stove
[14:26:40] <archivist> just get a new board
[14:26:52] <Jymmm> archivist: Not at $80 USD
[14:26:55] <furrywolf> why the hell does a wood stove have fiber board?
[14:27:03] <Jymmm> furrywolf: EPA crap
[14:27:53] <furrywolf> wood stoves are made of brick, steel, or cast iron. or, if you're a woodstove hipster, soapstone. but not fiberboard.
[14:28:09] <ssi> lol
[14:28:22] * ssi hasn't met many woodstove hipsters
[14:28:25] <Jymmm> furrywolf: you never heard for firebrick?
[14:28:34] <Jymmm> of^
[14:28:35] <SpeedEvil> Nice stoves can also reduce fuel consumption
[14:28:36] <furrywolf> ... what is the FIRST ITEM on my list?
[14:28:53] <SpeedEvil> and/or reduce the likelyhood of chimney fires.
[14:29:26] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Great, now can I repair it with refactory cement? if you know that is
[14:29:44] <ssi> Jymmm: worth a shot
[14:29:59] <BetaMax> So I’ve got the input from the scales into a 7I52
[14:30:07] <Jymmm> I read a post that you can make your own using perlite and refactory cement in a slury of 50/50
[14:30:27] <BetaMax> I’m reading both signals coming through but I have yet to find the index pulse
[14:30:39] <malcom2073> There's a whole slew of people online who have done their own refactory mixes
[14:30:43] <BetaMax> (in HAL Scope)
[14:30:50] <malcom2073> It's a lot of guesswork
[14:31:07] <ssi> malcom2073: I made some this week
[14:31:10] <furrywolf> did you stuff this board into the stove, or is there actually a stove of such low quality as to use fiberboard as a construction material?
[14:31:22] <ssi> I used this recipe
[14:31:23] <ssi> http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/refractories.html
[14:31:33] <Jymmm> furrywolf: It's very common
[14:31:40] <malcom2073> I want some that doesn't melt and require you to replace it after a while
[14:32:15] <Jymmm> furrywolf: http://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/found-a-good-source-for-1-2-ceramic-fiber-board-for-baffles-etc.72354/
[14:32:24] <furrywolf> ... it's so common that despite every house I've ever lived in, and every house of everyone I know, having a woodstove, I've never seen such shoddy construction? :P
[14:32:34] <furrywolf> fiberboard is the type of stuff you make kilns with, not woodstoves.
[14:32:38] <Jymmm> furrywolf: EPA stove?
[14:33:27] <furrywolf> high-efficiency stoves I've seen used METAL construction to route the exhaust gasses in a longer path to get more heat out of them.
[14:34:19] <Jymmm> This stove has burn tubes the baffle sits on
[14:34:25] <ssi> malcom2073: best bet is to buy some commercial stuff then
[14:34:34] <ssi> malcom2073: I bought 110lb of econocast 3000F also
[14:34:42] <ssi> but I figured I'd make a "scratch" furnace first
[14:34:48] <ssi> cause the commercial stuff is far more expensive
[14:34:55] <furrywolf> fiberboard is brittle, and ablates (or spalls, or some other way degrades) if you expose it to direct flames, hot pokers, people adding wood, etc.
[14:35:31] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Yes, I'm fully aware of that. Doesn't help my current situation.
[14:35:58] <furrywolf> get a new stove from a reputable manufacturer. one that's made entirely of steel and takes multiple people to move. :P
[14:36:36] <SpeedEvil> Steel is too novel.
[14:36:43] <SpeedEvil> You should use an open pit, with rocks round it
[14:36:44] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Yes, hat's what I want to do is spend over $1000 for a stove for a fucking hole is fragile baffle
[14:37:27] <furrywolf> people talk about the benefits of soapstone, etc, but I've always been happiest with a good solid all-steel stove, optionally with a firebrick lining on the lower half of the box. cast iron sucks. make sure it's all steel, no cast, and airtight.
[14:37:33] <CaptHindsight> archivist: sounds like you've decided to make a new controller for the CMM
[14:37:46] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Fuck that, I should just take a trch to the 100ft tree in the back and then I'll save form having to haul the firewood inside.
[14:38:06] <ssi> furrywolf: great now I want to build a soapstone stove
[14:38:35] <furrywolf> ssi: well, you're rich enough to afford planes, so you can probably afford a soapstone stove...
[14:38:49] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: No stove/baffle needed... you bring the marshmellows =)
[14:38:50] <CaptHindsight> is that like a self cleaning version?
[14:38:55] <FinboySlick> My boss made a pretty impressive 'mass-stove' out of just bricks.
[14:39:05] <FinboySlick> It was a lot of work mind you.
[14:39:12] <furrywolf> I don't trust soapstone. the way I stuff logs into a stove, it'll get broken at some point. :)
[14:39:16] <malcom2073> Man, I wish there was a place to get bolts/nuts local that didn't charge an arm and a leg
[14:39:24] <malcom2073> I just need like three set screws, but I'ma have to pay $5 shipping
[14:39:33] <Jymmm> ssi: Yeah, I think I will.
[14:39:50] <ssi> Jymmm: try the refractory cement?
[14:39:53] * SpeedEvil ponders a 'ghost screwer'
[14:40:13] <furrywolf> $5 shipping for 3 screws? sounds like fastenal.
[14:40:18] <malcom2073> bolt depot
[14:40:43] <ssi> malcom2073: sounds like they're really gonna screw you on shipping
[14:40:57] <malcom2073> ssi: Well, it's $5 if I buy five boxes of 100
[14:40:58] <malcom2073> or 5 screws
[14:41:00] <furrywolf> you're welcome to try the stove cement, but be warned the cement is VERY brittle, and you're not going to fix the actual problem (poor construction).
[14:41:01] <malcom2073> So... yeah heh
[14:41:04] <renesis> um, if you want wty 3 screws shipped, youre gonna get fucked on shipping
[14:41:07] <malcom2073> I just went to the store and bought three 6mm socket head cap screws for $1 each
[14:41:08] <ssi> thanks folks I'm here all week
[14:41:12] <renesis> because want kind of ass orders 3 screws?
[14:41:29] <malcom2073> renesis: Exactly! I can buy a box of 100, or get raped at the store for 3.
[14:41:33] <renesis> well, unless theyre like 1" major dia screws
[14:41:48] <renesis> haha, ya true
[14:42:05] <renesis> get a box at mcmaster for the price of 5 at lowes or hd
[14:42:12] <malcom2073> Yep
[14:42:19] <ssi> renesis: yep, that's my strategy
[14:42:23] <malcom2073> It's just annoying there isn't any brick and morter store for that sorta stuff
[14:42:25] <ssi> I buy a box of whatever I need
[14:42:29] <malcom2073> I hate buying boxes that I'll never use again
[14:42:33] <malcom2073> I already have a shelf of hardware
[14:42:34] <ssi> malcom2073: there is, it's called mcmaster-carr :)
[14:42:36] <renesis> malcom2073: in LA there was still some stuff like that
[14:42:37] <malcom2073> but it's never the right thing :)
[14:42:41] <malcom2073> ssi: Not around here heh
[14:42:53] <renesis> but you had to kind of know where and drive a bit, wasnt easy to look up even online
[14:43:02] <renesis> hardware, bearings, springs, etc
[14:43:06] <furrywolf> all the hardware stores here stock the exact same Hillman products.
[14:43:07] <malcom2073> There's a mcmaster store two hours from me
[14:43:19] <ssi> malcom2073: it's 45 minutes for me
[14:43:23] <renesis> mcmaster when im in LA is awesome, same day for a lot of stuff
[14:43:28] <ssi> but everything in atlanta is 45 minutes away from everything else
[14:43:29] <malcom2073> renesis: The local hardware store has all that stuff, oddball stuff too, but really expensive ($1 each for 6mm bolts)
[14:43:48] <renesis> yeah the little mom and pop and ace franchises are $$$
[14:44:01] <renesis> only useful if you need some shit in like 10 min
[14:44:26] <FinboySlick> ssi: I was going to say I envy you for being so close to resources, but then I considered living in Atlanta.
[14:44:42] <ssi> yeah and we don't really have "resources"
[14:44:46] <ssi> there's no metal industry in atlanta
[14:44:53] <ssi> no used machinery industry
[14:45:15] <ssi> we have airlines and coke and the new film and tv industry
[14:45:17] <ssi> and that's about it
[14:45:21] <malcom2073> It's a trade off heh, tons of used machinary here, but no hardware! :P
[14:45:34] <ssi> malcom2073: yeah but you can go make amish people pour iron for you!
[14:45:43] <malcom2073> Ah well, guess I should go inventory the hardware I have, and buy a box of what I need + a couple boxes of other stuff to make shipping worth it
[14:45:46] <malcom2073> ssi: True
[14:45:50] * furrywolf personally thinks the EPA should stop fucking with woodstoves, since wood is a renewable, carbon-neutral resource, and its use should be encouraged... but it doesn't make big companies big bucks, so it's evil.
[14:46:03] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: See, if the 5$ shipping applied to the used machinery, that'd be interesting.
[14:46:08] <malcom2073> HEh
[14:46:16] <malcom2073> $5 in fuel, $5k in effort ;0
[14:46:17] <malcom2073> ;)
[14:46:54] <furrywolf> it's like the nox crap... ohhh! we found a way to penalize efficiency!
[14:47:09] <ssi> furrywolf: uggghhhhh seriously :'(
[14:47:17] <FinboySlick> newegg.ca is all bragging about the 5$ shipping all over canada. I order a part... yup, 5$ shipping, but 25$ handling right as you're about to hit 'confirm' on the order.
[14:47:25] <malcom2073> Bwahaha
[14:47:25] <malcom2073> nice
[14:51:17] <FinboySlick> That's a lot of handling for 4 sticks of RAM.
[14:51:29] <ssi> FinboySlick: you need four hands to handle four sticks
[14:51:45] <ssi> at $12.50/hr per two hands, there's your handling
[14:52:18] <malcom2073> Your hands are cheap, may I purchase them?
[14:52:43] <ssi> not my hands, rando newegg handling professional hands
[14:52:50] <ssi> my hands are significantly more expensive :)
[14:53:08] <malcom2073> Heh
[14:54:00] * furrywolf waits for the EPA to fine firefighters for allowing forest fires to burn for too long and produce thousands of times the smoke of every woodstove put together.
[14:54:23] <malcom2073> They do fine the people who start them
[14:54:23] * Wolf_ wants a VW woodstove...
[14:54:53] <ssi> Wolf_: I too want a very efficient source of heat
[14:55:12] <Wolf_> like you need heat ssi
[14:55:22] <ssi> I don't need heat
[14:55:25] <malcom2073> Wait, you're in georgia
[14:55:28] <malcom2073> isn't it like, hot there year round?
[14:55:31] <ssi> I don't think I've ever seen a woodstove in a house around here
[14:55:35] <Wolf_> lol
[14:55:40] <ssi> malcom2073: nah we get a solid three weeks of cold
[14:55:49] <Wolf_> I want to do solar hydronic
[14:55:50] <malcom2073> Psh, cold. You mean sub 60 degree weather? ;)
[14:55:56] <ssi> no, I mean cold
[14:55:57] <furrywolf> heh, I haven't heated the house in several years.
[14:56:10] <Wolf_> its 47 here right now
[14:56:14] <ssi> it'll be sub-60 next week probably
[14:56:16] <ssi> it's 64 right now
[14:56:44] <Wolf_> I had to go get propane tanks filled cause I had no heat lol
[14:56:59] <ssi> we usually get a week of snow every other year :)
[14:57:05] <malcom2073> Heh, I jsut picked up two propane tanks for my generator
[14:57:36] <Wolf_> $117 in propane
[14:57:55] <ssi> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/19136_569585838962_18689_n.jpg?oh=2964f25f5030c62735811f70a3b5c991&oe=5693FFF8
[14:57:58] <ssi> see?!
[14:58:01] <ssi> hahaha
[14:58:12] <malcom2073> ssi: Much snow, very wow
[14:58:32] <malcom2073> I've given up on selling my lathe, I'm now trying to trade it for an industrial sized snow blower :-D
[14:59:16] <ssi> which lathe
[15:00:13] <Wolf_> we don’t get much snow here… http://i.imgur.com/UyG5yBt.jpg
[15:00:35] <ssi> we get about that much sometimes
[15:00:43] <ssi> but we don't have those funny machines that push snow around
[15:00:43] <malcom2073> ssi: My Southbend 9c
[15:00:51] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/i2Q1eDh.png that much?
[15:01:08] <ssi> nah not that much
[15:01:20] <Wolf_> :)
[15:01:23] <ssi> https://magsol.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/21940_657517377869_12805709_37292617_4408349_n.jpg
[15:01:27] <ssi> we got that much when I was a kid
[15:01:32] <ssi> the blizzard of '93 :)
[15:02:17] <malcom2073> Light snow two years ago: https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/l/t31.0-8/1782311_789130654434651_33761933_o.jpg
[15:02:49] <Wolf_> last year was mostly why even bother amounts https://www.dropbox.com/s/am1d90gqll87uiz/Photo%20Jan%2027%2C%2010%2053%2042%20AM.jpg?dl=0
[15:03:05] <Wolf_> I think I pushed my driveway once
[15:04:12] <jdh> I wait until noon. it melts
[15:05:08] <furrywolf> I've shoveled snow in new jersey, but here it never sticks very long.
[15:05:37] <Wolf_> now the ice storm in 13/14 season… that was a bitch http://i.imgur.com/vR7iegN.jpg
[15:06:03] <Wolf_> I got trapped on that road for 6 hours
[15:06:04] <ssi> we had an ugly one that year
[15:06:12] <ssi> it rained in the morning, and then flash froze around lunchtime
[15:06:18] <ssi> and every school and business in the city sent everyone home at 1
[15:06:24] <ssi> and the entire city got stuck in their cars for 12 hours
[15:06:34] <Wolf_> I was in my truck for 34 hours
[15:09:06] <ssi> I personally was saved by my own slackness
[15:09:21] <ssi> I was heading into work at a bright an early 11:30 am
[15:09:28] <furrywolf> I keep a couple MREs stuffed behind the seat in my truck, just for things like that. they're usually expired, but that doesn't usually make them inedible... and the FRHs are handy!
[15:09:37] <ssi> got about eight miles into a 26 mile commute, saw a couple flakes of snow and some traffic, and said fuck this, turned around and went home
[15:09:44] <ssi> furrywolf: that's a great idea
[15:10:14] <Wolf_> I put about 2 days worth of food/snacks/drinks in the truck when I’m plowing
[15:10:26] <ssi> I need to keep a bugout bag put together for spur of the moment cross country flights
[15:10:39] <ssi> I went to toledo on wednesday to help a friend move an airplane home
[15:10:47] <ssi> and I ended up getting stuck in bowling green for two days
[15:10:49] <ssi> with no supplies
[15:11:55] <ssi> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12038350_317747961729309_1888140958266079437_n.jpg?oh=55ca0aefc3e0584425e4f65a23941f3c&oe=568546A8
[15:11:58] <ssi> in that :P
[15:13:16] <Wolf_> malcom2073: so far my guess is $22 in parts to fix what I blew up
[15:18:15] <malcom2073> That's not terrible
[15:18:53] <Wolf_> funny part, $14 of that is just mosfets
[15:19:01] <malcom2073> Heh
[15:19:04] <FinboySlick> ssi: Lean green machine?
[15:19:05] <malcom2073> yeah high voltage mosfets aren't cheap
[15:19:16] <ssi> FinboySlick: something like that
[15:19:21] <Wolf_> the 3phase driver chip, $3
[15:19:38] <ssi> I'd never flown a citabria before, and I got to make my first landing in it in a 14 knot crosswind in the rain with 500' ceilings :P
[15:20:44] <Tom_itx> Wolf_Mill, how's the spindle motor conversion working out?
[15:20:48] <Wolf_> the mosfets are only 600v 30A
[15:21:02] <Wolf_> well, I need to fix the driver first lol
[15:21:12] <Tom_itx> but.. it's brand new!
[15:21:26] <Wolf_> I shorted it out w/ a pot while testing
[15:21:34] <Tom_itx> woops
[15:21:40] <Wolf_> hit the pot on the heatsink
[15:22:06] <Tom_itx> new meaning of smoking pot
[15:22:11] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/DVwnSsB.jpg
[15:22:35] <ssi> lul
[15:22:36] <Wolf_> the pot shorting somehow caused the caps to unload
[15:23:15] <Wolf_> unloaded the thing measures at ~330v
[15:23:56] <ssi> peeet
[15:25:10] <Wolf_> blew off 2 traces, 2 resistors, fried a few diodes, killed 6 mosfets, and possibly the 3 phase half bridge controller
[15:26:01] <Tom_itx> so pretty well scrapped the whole darn thing
[15:26:18] <Wolf_> $23 in parts
[15:26:25] <Wolf_> from mouser
[15:26:55] <Tom_itx> x2 if you add shipping
[15:27:01] <skunkworks> assuming no other issues :)
[15:27:26] <Wolf_> yeah, well I have the data sheet for the half bridge so I can scope the pins now
[15:28:09] <Wolf_> throttle input and servo hall sensors are still working
[15:29:08] <Wolf_> shot a message to the vendor asking if I can buy a replacement board before I go and order parts
[15:33:57] <Wolf_> in the meantime I can still play with the speed input and see if it will work with a 5v pwm to vary the speed
[15:39:58] <PetefromTn_> hey SSi
[15:40:14] <PetefromTn_> howsitgoin?
[16:15:55] <ganzuul> With a cam and spring one does not need a gas piston spring for even force.
[16:16:38] <ganzuul> So those components can be manufactured in-house.
[16:34:34] <MacGalempsy> hello
[16:35:32] <ganzuul> Wololo
[16:35:36] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IgAVQdHJQ4
[16:54:53] <Contract_Pilot> Worlf what fets is itusing
[16:56:04] <XXCoder> heys
[16:56:25] <XXCoder> Wolf_: fixed the electrics or is it all irrepairable?
[16:57:23] <XXCoder> furrywolf: thats great idea, I should store couple Soylent 2.0s in my van
[16:58:01] <Deejay> gn8
[16:58:21] * ganzuul tucks Deejay in
[16:58:40] <XXCoder> LeelooMinai: hey if I recall right you was working on machine? how is it?
[16:59:45] <LeelooMinai> XXCoder: Sitting there, waiting... for me finishing Shaving Yaks and doing home improvement:/
[17:00:24] <XXCoder> last I knew you was designing concerete base for umm cnc router?
[17:01:28] <LeelooMinai> E, no, that must have been someone else:) My CNC is aluminum everything more or less with few steel angles and aluminum extrusion table.
[17:01:58] <XXCoder> or maybe you changed plan as its been a while lol
[17:02:52] <LeelooMinai> I am finishing FPGa-based modbus interface for digital indicators for a while now - I was exploring HDL, made small FPGA boards, etc. in the meantime
[17:03:36] <XXCoder> nice. my machine is very nearly complete
[17:03:40] <LeelooMinai> https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/18741567341
[17:03:52] <XXCoder> just needs parallel port installed and then its all configs and tests
[17:03:59] <LeelooMinai> Pretty tiny - with Lattice MachXO3 2.5 by 2.5 0.4mm pitch bga.
[17:04:38] <XXCoder> small indeed
[17:04:57] <LeelooMinai> The CNC is more or less functional, just trying to sinish this interface so I can "scan" the table. https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/16691429357
[17:05:30] <XXCoder> definitely nicer than mine lol
[17:05:36] <XXCoder> moving tabvle?
[17:05:44] <LeelooMinai> Yes, fixed gantry.
[17:06:02] <XXCoder> usually easier to build
[17:06:43] <LeelooMinai> It's easier to make everything rigid.
[17:06:56] <zeeshan|2> yay friday.
[17:07:14] <LeelooMinai> Makes most sense, unless you need some huge area, say for some, I don't know, wood sheet router.
[17:09:02] <XXCoder> that is my ultimate end point plan
[17:09:20] <XXCoder> sheet router with decent precision like 0.001"
[17:09:45] <XXCoder> I kwow people want more accurate but yeah dont need .0001" :)
[17:12:35] <ganzuul> Is elastic modulus the same under compression as it is under tension?
[17:15:45] <zeeshan|2> usually
[17:15:47] <zeeshan|2> is it a metal?
[17:16:29] <ganzuul> maaaaybe
[17:16:31] <ganzuul> yeah
[17:16:36] <ganzuul> Aluminium vs. steel.
[17:16:43] <zeeshan|2> aluminum is 70gpa
[17:16:46] <zeeshan|2> and steel is 200gpa
[17:16:51] <zeeshan|2> both in c and t
[17:18:49] <ganzuul> Can you change that by stressing the material?
[17:19:04] <zeeshan|2> you gotta be more clear
[17:19:18] <zeeshan|2> for most practical purposes and practical materials
[17:19:20] <zeeshan|2> no
[17:19:36] <zeeshan|2> but say you're working with polymers
[17:22:29] <ganzuul> ...are you writing something really long?
[17:24:21] <ganzuul> A practical example would be a stress force caused by vibration, for example a standing wave.
[17:25:23] <ganzuul> Come to think of it, material density plays a role there.
[17:25:28] <zeeshan|2> no
[17:25:30] <zeeshan|2> got a call
[17:25:38] <zeeshan|2> polymers can change their modulus as a function of temperature
[17:25:50] <zeeshan|2> thats why i was kinda saying 'gotta be more clear'
[17:27:33] <ganzuul> Massive aluminium seems to absorb vibrations.
[17:28:03] <zeeshan|2> don't guess :P
[17:28:08] <ganzuul> ?
[17:28:09] <zeeshan|2> google the dampening ratio
[17:28:13] <ganzuul> ooh
[17:28:19] <zeeshan|2> aluminum isn't good
[17:30:32] <zeeshan|2> man im excited about getting my lathe on monday
[17:30:38] <zeeshan|2> but a bit stressed
[17:30:43] <zeeshan|2> i gotta move a lot of things inthe garage today =/
[17:30:55] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: you have returned!
[17:31:04] <CaptHindsight> all digits intact?
[17:31:12] <zeeshan|2> yes :P
[17:31:48] <ganzuul> Oooh... How about that brass.
[17:32:04] <zeeshan|2> i'd think brass is better than aluminum
[17:32:06] <zeeshan|2> cause it's got lead
[17:32:13] <ganzuul> Makes for nice musical instruments.
[17:32:13] <zeeshan|2> i forgot how much lead :(
[17:32:22] <XXCoder> brass has lead in it?
[17:32:32] <zeeshan|2> damn
[17:32:34] <zeeshan|2> only 0.05%
[17:32:38] <zeeshan|2> yea XXCoder
[17:32:51] <zeeshan|2> you should always wash your hands after handling brass
[17:33:14] <XXCoder> including fancy brass knobs :P
[17:33:18] <zeeshan|2> haha
[17:33:25] <XXCoder> ohh cant get out of restroom. help!
[17:33:50] <CaptHindsight> nah the Romans even used lead to treat aliments and look at them
[17:33:53] <ganzuul> Rinse, repeat.
[17:34:16] <XXCoder> lead was the first artifical sweetener and probably destroyed greek
[17:35:48] <ganzuul> So brass bushing do a lot to isolate vibrations, compared to ball bearings?
[17:35:55] <ganzuul> ~bushings
[17:36:01] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: silion is alternate to lead
[17:36:07] <XXCoder> silicon
[17:36:17] <CaptHindsight> the Greeks brought us steam power, aqueducts, cartography and gyros
[17:36:28] <XXCoder> and lead madness
[17:36:59] <XXCoder> mecury has its own. mad hatter is from mecury on processing while making hats
[17:38:52] <CaptHindsight> they used to weigh down the hats with mercury so that they wouldn't blow off your head on windy days
[17:39:35] <XXCoder> I wish mecury isn't ricously toxic
[17:39:35] * furrywolf waits for the mythbusters to test that hatters become mad from mercury
[17:39:57] <XXCoder> I wish its awesome liquid metal like back then thought so
[17:39:59] <CaptHindsight> also the radiation poisoning episode
[17:40:13] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: hello my hater friend! :D
[17:41:26] <ganzuul> furrywolf: Would work with their red hair narrative.
[17:42:10] <CaptHindsight> are you sure that they Mercury made them crazy or did they just make crazy hats?
[17:42:21] <CaptHindsight> they/the
[17:42:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.thenextwomen.com/sites/default/files/images/u19195/MimiLondonArticle.jpg
[17:44:13] <XXCoder> lol
[17:45:19] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: shouldnt you be making parts?
[17:46:59] <XXCoder> nah overtime I usually go at 5 pm or so
[17:47:19] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_hatter_disease
[17:48:18] * JT-Mobile is in Murray Ky
[17:48:29] <Tom_itx> what temperature does mercury freeze?
[17:48:32] <SpeedEvil> hatters gonna mad.
[17:48:39] <SpeedEvil> Tom_itx: ~-30C IIRC
[17:48:55] <Tom_itx> JT-Mobile is a long way from home
[17:49:00] <XXCoder> mecury in hats in usa kept going till 1940s
[17:49:07] <XXCoder> my dad was already around then
[17:50:49] <XXCoder> "In the United States, a hydrochloride-based process was patented in 1888 to obviate the use of mercury, but was ignored.[10]"
[17:50:56] <XXCoder> yeah usa never cares about that
[17:51:13] <JT-Mobile> Not too far about 160 miles
[17:52:34] <JT-Mobile> In a couple of weeks I'll be in Pete's backyard
[17:53:54] <Tom_itx> thought that was coming up soon
[17:54:48] <zeeshan|2> tommy boy!
[17:54:49] <zeeshan|2> :P
[17:56:58] <XXCoder> funny how mecury is right next to gold
[17:57:00] <Tom_itx> zeeebeee
[17:57:01] <Tom_itx> !
[17:57:13] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[17:57:24] <JT-Mobile> lol
[17:57:32] <Connor> JT-Mobile: Where at>
[17:57:33] <Connor> ?
[17:57:45] <zeeshan|2> why is it so cold already
[17:57:45] <zeeshan|2> :{
[17:58:09] <Tom_itx> because you're in canadada
[17:58:15] <zeeshan|2> >:(
[17:58:38] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 did you see all the test parts i've been drawing?
[17:58:53] <zeeshan|2> no
[17:58:54] <Tom_itx> helping my kid learn catia i've been doing all of em in SW
[17:59:17] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/practice_drawings/
[17:59:24] <JT-Mobile> Murray Ky
[17:59:45] <zeeshan|2> easy peezee
[17:59:46] <Tom_itx> sounds as bad as swampeast Mo
[17:59:57] <Tom_itx> yeah they are
[18:00:04] <zeeshan|2> i like problem 32
[18:00:09] <Tom_itx> helped me get acquainted with sw though
[18:00:21] <Tom_itx> that was pretty easy
[18:00:26] <zeeshan|2> i cant believe youre using 2004
[18:00:27] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[18:00:29] <JT-Mobile> We are riding the land between the lakes tomorrow
[18:00:36] <Tom_itx> it's what i got
[18:01:12] <Tom_itx> i could use 2015 online using his act but i've already got this
[18:01:24] <zeeshan|2> its a big difference
[18:01:24] <zeeshan|2> :P
[18:01:29] <zeeshan|2> it'd be worth it
[18:01:33] <Tom_itx> i know i've messed with it a bit
[18:01:40] <Tom_itx> alot nicer
[18:01:53] <JT-Mobile> After mouse gestures in SW I could not see much improvement
[18:02:13] <Tom_itx> i'd like to learn tooling in catia
[18:02:15] <zeeshan|2> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/practice_drawings/problem24.jpg
[18:02:21] <zeeshan|2> you did this one without any work planes?
[18:02:22] <Tom_itx> but that's a couple semesters off i think
[18:02:49] <zeeshan|2> JT-Mobile: there are tons :P
[18:02:49] <Tom_itx> that was an easy one too
[18:03:01] <zeeshan|2> which ver do you use
[18:03:01] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, no i hid them in some of em
[18:03:11] <zeeshan|2> okay
[18:03:25] <Tom_itx> that was done on the front plane though
[18:03:57] <Tom_itx> just drew 2 lines to get the middle
[18:04:07] <Tom_itx> extruded 3 directions
[18:04:09] <JT-Mobile> I hide any reference drawing after I mate the part.
[18:04:18] <zeeshan|2> haha
[18:04:22] <zeeshan|2> thats one of my pet peeves
[18:04:26] <Tom_itx> what?
[18:04:29] <zeeshan|2> when people save the part with the planes visibility on
[18:04:31] <Tom_itx> hiding the drawing?
[18:04:32] <zeeshan|2> i got this assembly at work
[18:04:37] <zeeshan|2> that hasl ike 92038102938 planes
[18:04:40] <zeeshan|2> and 920902318 sketches in the assembly
[18:04:42] <zeeshan|2> drives me insane
[18:04:57] <JT-Mobile> Holy crap batman
[18:04:58] <zeeshan|2> always have to turn em all off with an option
[18:05:06] <zeeshan|2> ill snap a pic of it when i get a chance
[18:05:13] <zeeshan|2> im not exagerating
[18:05:14] <Tom_itx> they used to send us whole wings just to pull a couple parts off to machine
[18:05:18] <zeeshan|2> the other thing that drives me insane is
[18:05:21] <zeeshan|2> symmetric parts
[18:05:27] <zeeshan|2> people always for some reason man..
[18:05:33] <zeeshan|2> draw from the bottom left corner
[18:05:43] <zeeshan|2> it screws me so bad when im trying to assemble stuff.
[18:05:46] <Tom_itx> problem 34 was his extra credit he did on the 3rd class day
[18:05:54] <zeeshan|2> 3rd day:"!?!
[18:05:57] <zeeshan|2> thats a lotta problems :P
[18:06:03] <Tom_itx> the teacher pissed me off so i helped him with it
[18:06:27] <zeeshan|2> the plane issue is so bad
[18:06:34] <zeeshan|2> that even all the hardware has its planes turned on
[18:06:36] <trentster> Any folks here using Fusion 360 + LinuxCNC for CAM ?
[18:06:40] <zeeshan|2> theres like 100,000 bolts..
[18:06:41] <zeeshan|2> :P
[18:07:06] <zeeshan|2> i think my fracture is healed?
[18:07:13] <zeeshan|2> i can put pressure on my toe
[18:07:24] <Tom_itx> no
[18:07:25] <zeeshan|2> owwwwwww
[18:07:26] <zeeshan|2> nm
[18:07:42] <zeeshan|2> i can put pressure
[18:07:43] <zeeshan|2> but cant bend it
[18:07:59] <Tom_itx> tie a sucker stick to it to keep it straight
[18:08:00] <zeeshan|2> i cant wait to stop limping around like a gangster
[18:08:12] <zeeshan|2> ive got my toes tied together
[18:08:19] <JT-Mobile> I hate getting 3d parts like cylinders and slides as an assembly with no mates
[18:08:23] <zeeshan|2> so you cant bend the front part of it
[18:08:30] <zeeshan|2> JT-Mobile: haha
[18:08:48] <zeeshan|2> -!!!!!!!!!!!!! <- see that means not fully constrained!!!
[18:09:01] <zeeshan|2> but i think people just get lazy
[18:09:18] <Tom_itx> i don't always fully constrain parts
[18:09:24] <zeeshan|2> !!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:09:27] <zeeshan|2> :(
[18:09:28] <Tom_itx> if it's really simple
[18:09:46] <Tom_itx> i can see how that's handy though
[18:09:51] <zeeshan|2> i need andypugh
[18:09:55] <zeeshan|2> and his inventor skills
[18:10:01] <Tom_itx> i'm not used to these kinds of cad programs
[18:10:01] <zeeshan|2> one thing you can do in solidworks easily
[18:10:08] <zeeshan|2> is have all your mates not be organized under the component
[18:10:13] <zeeshan|2> and see which ones are causing problem
[18:10:17] <zeeshan|2> i can't seem to do that in inventor
[18:10:23] <zeeshan|2> i have to look under each component to see the failed constraints
[18:10:34] <zeeshan|2> i looked and looked, cant find a way to show all of em
[18:10:48] <Tom_itx> catia has a replay where you can view the steps you did to build the part
[18:11:00] <zeeshan|2> just drag the history tree?
[18:11:00] <zeeshan|2> :P
[18:11:06] <JT-Mobile> Chow time here chat later
[18:11:06] <robinsz> so today was not a good day
[18:11:16] <Tom_itx> was so0
[18:11:54] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 what ver do you use?
[18:12:02] <zeeshan|2> 15
[18:12:08] <Tom_itx> what's it cost?
[18:12:14] <robinsz> my poxy spindle is refusing to release tools
[18:12:15] <Tom_itx> or are you a 'student'?
[18:12:27] <zeeshan|2> student edition w/ all the features
[18:12:35] <Tom_itx> for how long?
[18:12:41] <zeeshan|2> infinite :P
[18:12:44] <zeeshan|2> ill always be a student :D
[18:12:49] <Tom_itx> we should talk :D
[18:12:53] <zeeshan|2> it was $86
[18:13:05] <Tom_itx> that's not bad
[18:13:06] <zeeshan|2> or 80
[18:13:06] <zeeshan|2> i forget
[18:13:18] <Tom_itx> catia was ~90 but he got it free
[18:13:35] <zeeshan|2> yea it was free for me when i got it in college
[18:13:36] <Tom_itx> for a year
[18:13:50] <zeeshan|2> but in university, they make us pay
[18:13:51] <zeeshan|2> bastards.
[18:14:25] <Tom_itx> i'd like to find a newer ver but can't justify it
[18:14:58] <zeeshan|2> what you have works
[18:15:04] <Tom_itx> yep
[18:15:08] <zeeshan|2> it does everything
[18:15:09] <zeeshan|2> really..
[18:15:13] <zeeshan|2> you're just missing out on cosmos
[18:15:22] <zeeshan|2> a bunch of new shortcuts and stuff
[18:15:26] <zeeshan|2> and some added features
[18:15:28] <Tom_itx> i know
[18:15:33] <Tom_itx> the right click stuff was nice
[18:15:34] <zeeshan|2> but do you really need em ? :P
[18:15:56] <Tom_itx> it's alot more productive
[18:16:02] <zeeshan|2> dude i love the right click feature
[18:16:06] <zeeshan|2> a lot of people dont know about it
[18:16:14] <zeeshan|2> i assemble parts like a bullet
[18:16:15] <zeeshan|2> :D
[18:16:20] <zeeshan|2> chop chop chop chop
[18:16:25] <zeeshan|2> then sleep for 10 min
[18:16:27] <zeeshan|2> then continue again
[18:16:32] <Tom_itx> hah
[18:16:48] <zeeshan|2> dude
[18:16:51] <zeeshan|2> inventor 2013 is a pos
[18:16:56] <zeeshan|2> the way it handles bolts
[18:17:01] <zeeshan|2> and hardware in general is terrible
[18:17:07] <zeeshan|2> i dunno if 2004 has this
[18:17:11] <zeeshan|2> but i LOVE smart fasteners
[18:17:16] <Tom_itx> i've used my smartcam clear back to the DOS days
[18:17:24] <Tom_itx> still have the DOS ver installed
[18:17:27] <zeeshan|2> haha
[18:17:29] <zeeshan|2> youre hardcore
[18:17:33] <zeeshan|2> ive never even used th at stuff
[18:17:36] <zeeshan|2> the closet thing to dos
[18:17:40] <zeeshan|2> is ansys mechanical apdl
[18:17:43] <Tom_itx> had acad on floppies
[18:17:49] <zeeshan|2> haha
[18:17:50] <Tom_itx> didn't like it much
[18:17:58] <zeeshan|2> i dislike autocad a lot
[18:18:02] <zeeshan|2> i dont know why people still use it
[18:18:03] <Tom_itx> seen surfcam
[18:18:06] <Tom_itx> it was ok
[18:18:12] <zeeshan|2> yes you can customize drawings way more than parametric equivalents
[18:18:14] <zeeshan|2> but still..
[18:18:14] <zeeshan|2> :P
[18:18:22] <Tom_itx> liked smartcam over mastercam at the time
[18:18:34] <zeeshan|2> i use mastercam 6
[18:18:47] <Tom_itx> i could take that at the vo tech
[18:18:54] <Tom_itx> get free machine time..
[18:19:21] <Tom_itx> i considered it just so i could build some junk
[18:20:24] <Tom_itx> i started asking em some questions about different cads they have and they didn't seem to know who taught what
[18:20:48] <Tom_itx> the local college sends instructors over for catia to the vo tech
[18:21:01] <Tom_itx> so the credits transfer
[18:21:02] <zeeshan|2> what does vo tech sand for
[18:21:03] <zeeshan|2> stand
[18:21:10] <Tom_itx> vocational technical school
[18:21:16] <zeeshan|2> sounds familiar
[18:21:25] <Tom_itx> job school :)
[18:22:11] <Tom_itx> they've got something like 30-40 glue printers
[18:23:09] <zeeshan|2> nice
[18:23:23] <zeeshan|2> okay im gonna setup some of these wood pieces up
[18:23:28] <zeeshan|2> and run the machine :P
[18:23:34] <zeeshan|2> im really thinking of walking away from it
[18:23:37] <zeeshan|2> wven though i know i shouldnt
[18:23:46] <zeeshan|2> whats the worst that happens
[18:23:47] <CaptHindsight> 100 years ago they had mills, lathes and foundries, now they have glue guns
[18:23:48] <zeeshan|2> it snaps a tool
[18:24:05] <CaptHindsight> makes sense since glue guns have replaced them all
[18:24:23] <XXCoder> evenually printers will replace everything else
[18:24:40] <XXCoder> once theres very high resolution aluminium and steel printers
[18:24:51] <CaptHindsight> self replicating meat robots
[18:25:41] <CaptHindsight> replaced by self replicating silicon, steel and aluminum robots
[18:26:08] <XXCoder> or maybe carbon
[18:26:21] <XXCoder> "IBM says it has solved one of three key problems with making computer chip transistors from carbon rather than silicon. It�s a step closer to overcoming the current limitations on Moore�s Law."
[18:27:18] <CaptHindsight> will carbon robots care?
[18:28:08] <XXCoder> considering it directly affects their intellegnce, yes they should lol
[18:30:19] <zeeshan-mill> the only thing 3d printers will replace are the 3d printer kick starter projects before them
[18:30:32] <zeeshan-mill> :)
[18:32:20] <Praesmeodymium> in the current iteration of hotglue shitting plastic yes
[18:32:51] <zeeshan-mill> people thought casting would be replaced by cnc machines
[18:32:52] <Praesmeodymium> the goal is a startrek replicator we are just a few hundred years off
[18:32:56] <zeeshan-mill> its just not going to happen :P
[18:34:10] <Praesmeodymium> didgital fabricatio is definetly coming into its own, whther it be home cnc,s lasers or printers
[18:35:27] <anomynous> you mean like producing things at home? I dont think so. People would have to bother design and model things first
[18:35:41] <anomynous> maybe for a niche group
[18:37:05] <malcom2073> Or download things others have designed and modeled
[18:37:20] <anomynous> and then produce a bunch of parts and assemble
[18:37:33] <malcom2073> Just like putting together an ikea table :)
[18:37:58] <anomynous> you think?
[18:37:58] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: you're asking a lot from people
[18:37:58] <malcom2073> Eh it's a fad, just like the internet, it'll pass.
[18:38:55] <CaptHindsight> the porn industry drove the internet
[18:39:19] <CaptHindsight> we'd all still be on AOL if it wasn't for that
[18:40:16] <XXCoder> aol lol
[18:40:25] <XXCoder> a/s/l was riciously popular in some chats
[18:40:33] <CaptHindsight> and compuserve
[18:40:53] <XXCoder> my answer was always (riciously large number)/(some non-normal gender like shemale)/behind you
[18:40:55] <anomynous> entertainment drives whole IT. If people didnt buy toys to their homes no one would be developing faster and smaller chips, because it would be used by only corporates. And corporates would use slower and more expensive equipment. And since home users wouldnt have computers, corporates wouldnt need so much either. And....
[18:40:58] <anomynous> ;D
[18:42:03] <CaptHindsight> once we cut out all guberment regulations then corporations can create more jobs..
[18:42:14] <XXCoder> and more fun deaths yay
[18:42:35] <CaptHindsight> the when everybody is working productivity will increase and then we can all work less
[18:42:59] <CaptHindsight> then there will be more time for entertainment and better internet
[18:43:25] <CaptHindsight> sorry, my side hurts from laughing
[18:43:37] <anomynous> like now when one person can produce food for how many? (not including people making machinery ;)
[18:44:10] <XXCoder> we already make enough food for 200% of people on earth
[18:44:21] <XXCoder> its just that there is LARGE amount of wastage.
[18:44:37] <malcom2073> Like power
[18:45:08] <CaptHindsight> and only a few have benefited from increased productivity
[18:45:29] <ganzuul> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/BodyArmor-Bulletproof-Manganese-Steel-Plates-/200816252728
[18:47:17] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/5fOVXndyjAo insane
[18:48:47] <anomynous> looks like phun if you know how to handle your board
[18:49:04] <CaptHindsight> I used to motoboard at those speeds
[18:49:21] <CaptHindsight> but I had a brake
[18:49:22] <XXCoder> I want to go that hill with bicycle.
[18:49:34] <XXCoder> he uses that trick to slow down
[18:49:46] <anomynous> cant you break with a long board like with a snowboard... like when they go sideways in corners
[18:50:20] <XXCoder> hes basically grinding on road when he needs to slow down. wheels moving sideways
[18:50:51] <CaptHindsight> and metal pads in his gloves
[18:51:17] <anomynous> falling would cause severe tarmac rash though. not smart ;) unless he had guards
[18:51:36] <anomynous> or a crash with a tree
[18:52:35] <CaptHindsight> you have to fall into a slide
[18:52:46] <CaptHindsight> jumping off is not a good idea
[18:53:08] <anomynous> id want my legs strapped on board. That way it feels more like a snowboard
[18:53:09] <anomynous> ;D
[18:55:24] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o530S-40UCo used to run these with nitromethane
[18:55:48] <CaptHindsight> think they were ~50cc
[19:00:20] <ganzuul> Do latheists take multiple facing cuts in order to find out what depth and speeds to use to avoid chatter?
[19:22:15] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8WAIKl1u90 so much more fun to ride in forest than on slope. And snow does half of the job on muscles when turning ;D
[19:24:05] <anomynous> i mean it is easier on muscles since it doesnt beat your legs and you dont have to stand on your toes, kind of. When turning it is nice to have a pillow of snow underneath the board ;D and zig-zag trees
[19:28:54] <Contract_Pilot> Ahhhh feel icky
[19:29:11] <Contract_Pilot> lack of sleep.
[19:30:11] <anomynous> go to shower and sleep
[19:38:07] <BetaMax> Anyone have any experience with configuring glass scales? I’m getting the sin/cos signals into HAL scope but not sure how to connect them to the DRO.
[20:05:13] <Contract_Pilot> got the little china bob for the small machines today... next week should have the other parts to make them run.
[20:06:01] <Contract_Pilot> but package weight has me worried on one of them
[20:10:18] <zeeshan-mill> hmmm
[20:10:24] <zeeshan-mill> how to quickly hook up a camera to mill
[20:10:41] <malcom2073> zeeshan-mill: clamp it to a nearby shelf?
[20:10:48] <zeeshan-mill> no
[20:10:52] <malcom2073> Or to the table if you're not flooding
[20:10:54] <zeeshan-mill> to stream to upstair omp
[20:10:55] <zeeshan-mill> comp
[20:10:58] <malcom2073> Yeah
[20:11:00] <zeeshan-mill> trying to monitor to ensure no fire
[20:11:06] <malcom2073> Heh
[20:11:10] <zeeshan-mill> i only got webcam
[20:11:25] <malcom2073> Yeah
[20:11:38] <malcom2073> I have mine clipped to a shelf next to my 3d printer for watching that
[20:11:54] <zeeshan-mill> can you stream from say an ipad
[20:11:57] <zeeshan-mill> or iphone
[20:12:01] <zeeshan-mill> over wifi
[20:12:11] <zeeshan-mill> im sure some perv has made an app
[20:12:27] <malcom2073> Yep
[20:12:34] <malcom2073> Not perv at all, there's an app to convert your smartphone into a webcam
[20:12:36] <malcom2073> and stream over IP
[20:12:47] <malcom2073> I did that before I bought a webcam
[20:12:51] <malcom2073> but that was on Android, apple probably not
[20:12:53] <zeeshan-mill> nice!
[20:13:09] <malcom2073> If you have any old android phones laying around, don't need to be active
[20:14:58] <zeeshan-mill> what about using a rasp pi
[20:15:07] <zeeshan-mill> and hooking the webcam up to that
[20:15:13] <zeeshan-mill> i thought the rpi was meant for shit like that :P
[20:15:15] <zeeshan-mill> ill google it in a bit
[20:15:57] <malcom2073> Yep, you could do that too
[20:16:14] <Tom_itx> zeeshan-mill, don't pull a ssi
[20:16:22] <zeeshan-mill> tom hence the webcam
[20:16:33] <zeeshan-mill> i know the program works
[20:16:35] <zeeshan-mill> ive ran it a couple times now
[20:16:39] <Tom_itx> my bud used to let his run 24/7
[20:16:45] <zeeshan-mill> the only thing that can go wrong is
[20:16:49] <zeeshan-mill> the wood piece comes out
[20:17:06] <zeeshan-mill> his cnc?
[20:17:10] <zeeshan-mill> or webcam
[20:17:15] <Tom_itx> cnc
[20:17:23] <zeeshan-mill> yea man
[20:17:32] <zeeshan-mill> imagine billet engine block
[20:17:34] <Tom_itx> but it ran parts that had very long cycle times
[20:17:36] <zeeshan-mill> takes a couple hours!
[20:18:08] <Tom_itx> imagine a billet Ti landing gear strut
[20:18:16] <zeeshan-mill> hhe
[20:18:19] <zeeshan-mill> hehe
[20:18:26] <Tom_itx> the first prototypes were billet
[20:18:38] <zeeshan-mill> what were the rest?
[20:21:15] <zeeshan-mill> i havent seen landing gears built
[20:21:22] <zeeshan-mill> nor know how they work :P
[20:21:30] <zeeshan-mill> i just know they are super precise
[20:21:41] <zeeshan-mill> and take massive abuse and have to be replaced a lot
[20:21:43] <zeeshan-mill> and cost a lot!
[20:26:37] <Tom_itx> forgings
[20:31:38] <zeeshan-mill> ah
[20:31:48] <zeeshan-mill> i guess protoype
[20:31:55] <zeeshan-mill> then spend a ton of money on forging dies
[20:48:30] <Tom_itx> they tried using an exhisting one but it wasn't strong enough
[20:51:18] <TurBoss> Hi
[20:51:41] <TurBoss> i need to know if this motherboard is good for low latency http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/990FX%20Extreme3/
[20:53:26] <TurBoss> like 3000 +- Max Jitter
[21:42:50] <codepython777> does anyone own a pcnc 1100 here?
[21:44:12] <codepython777> or something similar? I dont understand why the table is 34" x 9.5" - a 36" x 24" would have been nicer
[21:46:49] <renesis> because you have to make the z axis body much deeper
[21:47:37] <renesis> you lose a ton of rigidity, at some point it makes more sense to do a lightweight gantry setup
[21:48:22] <renesis> also puts a lot more force into your z axis ways so youd need bigger motors to keep the thing consistent
[21:49:05] <renesis> its only 9.5"?
[21:49:16] <renesis> i thought it was a bit more than that
[21:50:45] <codepython777> digirout? how r they?
[21:51:24] <renesis> iunno
[21:51:43] <codepython777> how slow is a cnc router to cut acrylic compared to a laser cutter?
[21:52:24] <renesis> depends on a ton of factors but in general probably much slower
[21:54:50] <Contract_Pilot> Whoo hoo I get to bump the price of my mags hahaha
[21:57:00] <codepython777> renesis: any chance i can buy a precise 20 x 12" or 36 x 12" cnc router at a decent price?
[21:57:06] <codepython777> or perhaps build one from a kit?
[21:57:22] <renesis> im not the person to ask
[21:57:53] <renesis> i have a mill that has a 12x6x6 envelope and its kinda too big
[21:58:20] <renesis> 20x12 sounds pretty frustrating
[21:59:01] <renesis> i would try and get something with a legit 24+x24+ work envelope minimum
[22:00:46] <codepython777> 24 x 24 would be great
[22:01:00] <renesis> all this shit works better when its rigid, well aligned, assembled tight with close tolerances and expensive bearings, youre most likely going to get what you paid for
[22:01:01] <codepython777> i'm trying to also use it to cut acrylic
[22:01:28] <codepython777> renesis: any suggestions for a good 24x24 that does not cost an arm and a leg?
[22:01:39] <renesis> if it can cut wood acrylic should be fine you just have to get speeds and feeds right and cool the work somehow
[22:02:43] <renesis> honestly i havent really looked at small routers in a long time, and a lot of the diy and cheap consumer stuff doesnt look like a good investment to me
[22:03:15] <renesis> if the shit works well, its either gonna cost as much as a standard machine tool, or its going to cost a lot of time and take good fab skills
[22:03:48] <renesis> if youre going to make money with a router, it has to fly
[22:04:13] <codepython777> renesis: give me a name of a one that flies?
[22:05:19] <renesis> heh, the shit ive used was leased for tens of thousands of dollars, i dunno much about cheap routers
[22:07:26] <codepython777> and that is for a 12" x 6" x 6" or feet?
[22:07:41] <renesis> mine is a mill
[22:08:12] <renesis> tiny thing, the router i worked on was like 5ft by 10ft in a cabinet shop
[22:09:23] <renesis> a lot of the ebay routers seem more suitable drawing on paper with felt pens
[22:10:02] <renesis> ive actually seen those type of routers doing that, works well, prob a good laser or engraving platform, unloaded stuff
[22:10:25] <codepython777> renesis: is pcnc 1100 decent? have you used it? anything similar but which can support 12" width at least? 9.5" is too thin
[22:10:51] <renesis> shrug, maybe a china mill
[22:12:24] <codepython777> so pcnc 1100 = bad?
[22:14:58] <codepython777> renesis: i thought tormach was decent?
[22:15:28] <renesis> i wouldnt mind one when did i say it was bad?
[22:15:45] <renesis> short y axis has advantages i pointed out earlier
[22:18:19] <codepython777> renesis: spindle speeds of 300 to 10k rpm - does that sound dencent?
[22:19:05] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/cVvMnd6DAG2?utm_campaign=ustre.am&utm_source=ustre.am%2F1rDVc&utm_medium=social&utm_content=20151002195449
[22:19:08] <zeeshan|2> SHES LIVE!!
[22:19:12] <codepython777> renesis: 10” x 6.25” x 10” Work Envelope
[22:20:04] <zeeshan|2> ustream is pretty cool
[22:21:43] <jdh> crank the feed override up to 200%
[22:23:08] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:23:18] <zeeshan|2> shes machining comfy at 30ipm
[22:23:25] <zeeshan|2> im worried itll chatter too much if i speed it up
[22:23:39] <zeeshan|2> (it seems to chatter around 40ipm depending on the doc aoc)
[22:42:43] <zeeshan|2> yayyyyyyy
[22:42:46] <zeeshan|2> its almost done op3
[23:20:28] <furrywolf> what're you making now?
[23:26:22] <furrywolf> bbl