#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-09-26

[00:00:36] <PetefromTn_> well that is good
[00:09:34] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[01:57:05] <Contract_Pilot1> Darn router.
[01:58:21] <Contract_Pilot1> Router locked up.
[01:58:51] <Wolf_> I hate that shit
[01:59:07] <Contract_Pilot1> Yep in a private convo also
[01:59:19] <Contract_Pilot1> Wait for the other nick to time out
[01:59:43] <Wolf_> I fought with my linux box for a hour trying to get the networking on it, turns out the new switch wasn’t talking to the router lol
[02:01:49] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, most routers here seem to fail in about a year
[02:02:00] <Contract_Pilot> Well the wireless part.
[02:04:44] <Wolf_> I run most of my computers wired
[02:08:24] <Contract_Pilot> Most of mine are laptops and wireless.
[02:08:42] <Contract_Pilot> LCNC box is wired
[02:09:23] <Contract_Pilot> I have given up trying to find a US mesa reseller with 7I76 Stock
[02:09:53] <Wolf_> LCNC, cad box, crapbook I use for web surfing, and my shop computer are all on wired
[02:10:37] <Contract_Pilot> My mail box is wired!
[02:10:47] <Contract_Pilot> Postman looked at me funny
[02:11:06] <Contract_Pilot> Actually there is a router and 110V there.
[02:11:13] <Wolf_> hah
[02:12:35] <Wolf_> I just have cctv cams everywhere, some of the people across the street in the apartments (old motel, I use the term apartments loosely) think I’m a drug dealer or something lol
[02:12:38] <Contract_Pilot> 8' 4" pipe welded to a 2" pipe that is burried about 4' bolted to curb pipe is filled with concrete so is the hole.
[02:13:29] <Contract_Pilot> I think any auto that hits it will be damaged.
[02:13:37] <Wolf_> lol
[02:14:35] <Wolf_> I dunno how but someone hit the electric pole next to my driveway on the yard side and missed my front porch and mailbox by about foot each
[02:21:30] <Wolf_> timing on that sucked, cause the day before we had a dump truck parked there with a forsale sign on it
[02:24:38] <Contract_Pilot> Cannot get my DCC file send to work prob a router setting
[02:27:22] <Deejay> moin
[02:27:37] <Wolf_> morning
[02:29:06] <Contract_Pilot> I used to go By NorthWest long ago on IRC
[02:33:43] <Contract_Pilot> Back
[02:33:56] <Contract_Pilot> Changed a setting wonder if DCC file send will work
[02:45:18] <Contract_Pilot> Path Pilot Torrent. magnet:?xt=urn:btih:BAF492B830E92636EF253242BA5B272B674EB9CD&dn=Tormach%20PathPilot%20Restore%20Disk%20V1.9.2b.iso&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80%2fannounce
[02:46:00] <Wolf_> man 4 tool changes for this one part on one side, that R8 upgrade is looking like a good idea quick...
[02:46:50] <Contract_Pilot> What R8 upgrade? '
[02:47:14] <Wolf_> dumping my MT2 setup and moving up to a R8 spindle
[02:47:19] <Contract_Pilot> I think there are 5 seeds.
[02:47:30] <Contract_Pilot> Ohh i am R8 on my mill
[02:48:49] <Wolf_> yeah, I’m thinking I want R8 so I can get tormach tool holder clones from eBay :D
[02:49:30] <Contract_Pilot> They have Clones?
[02:49:41] <Contract_Pilot> Linky Linky
[02:51:26] <Wolf_> looking now lol
[02:54:24] <Contract_Pilot> Would love to make an auto drawbar on my G0704
[02:57:58] <trentster> howdy all - so I have my proximity switches in and working - I have added leds to the GUI panel and can see them fire when I hold a piece of metal in front of each one.
[02:58:16] <trentster> They have been set up in stepconf as home + limit x,y,z
[02:58:29] <trentster> now how the heck do I get the machine to auto home for them?
[02:58:56] <Wolf_> its in the manual
[02:59:14] <Wolf_> you need to set the homing speed and sequence
[02:59:36] <trentster> Wolf_: Thanks - so is this something that can/is not done via stepconf?
[02:59:53] <trentster> looking for it in the manual now
[03:00:04] <Wolf_> its under homing :P
[03:00:08] <Wolf_> I think
[03:00:43] <trentster> heh - I am one of those painful people who dig into config files first then read manuals second :P
[03:00:59] <trentster> guess RTFM is very valid for me here.
[03:01:48] <Wolf_> I think got it to set up with stepconf also
[03:02:08] <Wolf_> but I forget, I’ve manually tweaked most of my settings now
[03:03:17] <trentster> I am almost there - only painful thing I need to fix is for some reason if I switch off computer while control box with breakoutboard is still on the spindle fires up
[03:03:34] <trentster> which is a tad dangerous :P
[03:06:23] <Wolf_> yeah, I notice my relays do the same
[03:06:53] <Wolf_> I haven’t hooked them up yet for that reason lol don’t need the spindle turning on + misting running
[03:06:59] <trentster> I am not using a router or relays just a spindle and spindle controller with its own psu
[03:07:26] <trentster> I havent thrown relays into the mix yet
[03:07:39] <Wolf_> works the same way, its pulling the pin low w/out the software running
[03:08:48] <Contract_Pilot> torrent hash wonderful always learning
[03:09:24] <trentster> Wolf_: yup exactly - any ideas how to fix?
[03:09:49] <Wolf_> Contract_Pilot: no idea on the holders, I know I saw someone reviewing one on youtube
[03:09:56] <Wolf_> trentster: no idea
[03:11:01] <Wolf_> hmm, I might just add a “arming” button to my panel for first turn on
[03:11:09] <trentster> Wolf would you mind posting a sample config file where homing has been setup - will probably be a zillion times easier to understand what to do - the manual does not even say which files need to be edited, I assume its mymillname.hal
[03:11:43] <trentster> or is it ini?
[03:11:55] <Wolf_> I think its ini...
[03:12:01] <Wolf_> brb let me go look
[03:12:08] <trentster> thanks man!
[03:12:39] <Wolf_Mill> hmm
[03:14:34] <Wolf_Mill> http://pastebin.com/0EgshLkn 0 is my X axis and has switch setup, rest are commented out right now
[03:15:06] <trentster> ok thanks - looking
[03:15:27] <Wolf_Mill> its in the ini file
[03:16:48] <trentster> Thanks - after reading your file its instantly apparent how it works and what to do. The docs would be a lot more intuitive if they had some sample code in them.
[03:17:15] <Wolf_Mill> yeah thats for sure
[03:22:24] <Wolf_> ok, back to cam works
[03:41:44] <trentster> Wolf_: is there any particular reason your Search velocity settings are so slow?
[03:42:04] <Wolf_> haven’t really tuned it yet
[03:42:12] <Wolf_> and my machine is sloooow
[03:42:44] <Wolf_> have some binding issues so I can’t move too quick
[03:42:45] <trentster> aaah ok - I work in metric and converted your inch speeds and noticed its really slow
[03:43:36] <renesis> slow like 10 ipm, slow like 0.1 ipm, i am curious what is slow
[03:43:49] <trentster> you are searching at like 1.27mm a minute
[03:44:05] <renesis> thats pretty slow
[03:44:11] <trentster> renesis his file is here http://pastebin.com/0EgshLkn
[03:44:21] <trentster> 1. HOME_SEARCH_VEL = -0.050000
[03:44:21] <trentster> 2. HOME_LATCH_VEL = 0.015625
[03:44:37] <trentster> I mean 1.27mm a second
[03:44:50] <trentster> which is still very very slow
[03:45:27] <Wolf_> I only have one limit switch hooked up, plus I park the table at home :P
[03:45:36] <renesis> yeah but thats not end of the world slow for some stuff
[03:45:52] <trentster> Wolf_: no worries - I was just wondering if I was misinterpreting the speeds somehow
[03:45:56] <renesis> like, you would notice it moving at least
[03:46:02] <Wolf_> lol
[03:46:04] <renesis> kinda
[03:46:29] <trentster> renesis what speeds are you using for homing?
[03:46:56] <renesis> i dont home automatically
[03:47:21] <trentster> ok off to the garage to try it out (break something)
[03:47:22] <renesis> i jog at 45 ipm, itll go up to 60 ipm and be reliable 95% of the time
[03:47:51] <renesis> is not fast
[03:48:09] <trentster> I jog at around 75 ipm
[03:48:33] <renesis> and is like, 15x faster than your thing
[03:52:20] <archivist> I just move the slider to whatever to jog mine, no homing on mine either
[04:09:37] <trentster> Wolf_: very odd I have added values to all 3 axis and the UI now shows a home all button - yet when I click it nothing moves - any ideas?
[04:10:45] <Wolf_> you added sequence numbers right? 0,1,2
[04:11:40] <trentster> I added 1,2,3
[04:11:45] <trentster> maybe thats the issue
[04:11:53] <trentster> let me start with zero
[04:18:02] <Wolf_> oh right, I didn’t copy Z, you want Z = 0, then home x/y (1,2)
[04:25:52] <trentster> Wolf_: ok all working great now :)
[04:25:59] <Wolf_> :)
[04:26:06] <trentster> these proximity switches are nice and accurate
[04:26:32] <Wolf_> sweet, I need to finish my x/y upgrade and get the switches installed
[04:27:22] <trentster> yeah - its gonna be really nice to be able to get back to exact same co-ordinates on a work piece without having to edge find or manually home.
[04:29:27] <trentster> I also need to figure out what the best setup for a single switch on each axis should be - I guess use each one as limits and homing plus rely on soft limits as well
[04:29:53] <trentster> Is the norm to home towards negative direction?
[04:30:10] <Wolf_> dunno
[04:30:55] <Wolf_> I do know you want the Z up out of the way when homing
[04:33:59] <trentster> yup makes sense
[04:35:01] <Contract_Pilot> I am off to bed.
[04:41:10] <XXCoder> heys
[04:44:49] <Wolf_> its almost fun setting up all these cam operations
[04:45:04] <Wolf_> swapping tools around is going to suck ass tho
[04:45:23] <XXCoder> almost fun! GAMING CONSOLE STAT!!
[04:45:32] <Wolf_> lol
[04:45:45] <Wolf_> 11 operations for this one part...
[04:45:55] <XXCoder> lots. 11 tools
[04:45:55] <Wolf_> 3 diffrent sides
[04:45:56] <XXCoder> ?
[04:46:09] <Wolf_> only 4 tools
[04:46:58] <XXCoder> trentster: at end machine home dont really matter as long as you keep it repeatable.
[04:48:01] <trentster> XXCoder: yup
[04:48:25] <trentster> I can't believe I am at the stage where machine is basically finished :-)
[04:48:54] * Wolf_ has no idea what he is doing
[04:48:57] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/IKemF8k.png?1
[04:48:58] <XXCoder> yeah! same here. just need parallel card and configuring
[04:49:00] <XXCoder> and done
[04:49:44] <XXCoder> 2 smaller holes is touching big one. intended?
[04:49:54] <Wolf_> yeah
[04:50:15] <Wolf_> just counterbores for shcs
[04:50:24] <XXCoder> ok
[04:50:46] <Wolf_> big circle is for the stepper nose
[04:52:18] <XXCoder> man I HATE sites that is priceless
[04:52:23] <XXCoder> no prices anywhere
[04:56:21] <Wolf_> well, thats one part all laid out… now to do the other half of it lol
[04:56:48] <Wolf_> then I still need to design the Y axis mount
[04:57:05] <XXCoder> :)
[04:57:15] <XXCoder> theres quite a number of ways to do that
[04:57:24] <XXCoder> interior/exterior for one
[04:57:35] <Wolf_> probable make 2 of the stepper mount I linked
[04:59:56] <fenn> Wolf_: looks like you are taking a tiny step down and large step over, i think it's better to do the other way around so you don't put all the wear on the very tip of the endmill
[05:00:25] <Wolf_> helical ramping
[05:00:39] <fenn> well whatever the equivalent is called in helix notation
[05:00:51] <Wolf_> this is getting milled on the x1, I can’t do large anything
[05:04:53] <Wolf_> part also is bigger on the computer :D
[05:07:12] <ReadError> Wolf_ using HSM?
[05:07:19] <XXCoder> collabcad seems interesting
[05:07:23] <Wolf_> nope
[05:19:45] <XXCoder> sagcad sucks lol
[05:24:07] <fenn> "sucks" is giving it too much acknowledgement
[05:24:44] <fenn> reminds me of MacDraw
[05:27:03] <XXCoder> open scam is now camotics
[05:27:12] <XXCoder> aw as I always loved that funny name
[05:27:19] <XXCoder> openscam
[05:28:11] <ganzuul> Blender 3D is a far more capable CAD than most FOSS CAD...
[05:28:35] <XXCoder> blender is way too hard for me. I have tried bunch of times. no luck
[05:28:46] <fenn> blender used to not be very good for cad stuff, that may have changed in the years since though
[05:29:28] <Praesmeodymium> I am willing to suggest autodesk fusion as a free cad software free to students and makers, I am on year 2 of my free use, its a wee bit cloud based but works offline
[05:29:52] <fenn> if you're going to bang your head against a weird interface, brl-cad is worth learning especially now that it has nurbs support and can import/export STEP files
[05:30:19] <fenn> Praesmeodymium: is that like being a wee bit pregnant?
[05:30:58] <Praesmeodymium> naw its just stores and does file imports through the vcloud I totally worked offline with it for weeks
[05:31:10] <fenn> are you talking about "inventor fusion"?
[05:31:16] <XXCoder> openscad isnt bad
[05:31:17] <Praesmeodymium> fusion 360
[05:31:23] <XXCoder> programming based though
[05:31:57] <Praesmeodymium> opanscad is tough, it for coders who can describe the world through geometry
[05:32:33] <Praesmeodymium> the parametricness of it makes it super useful when done well
[05:32:33] <XXCoder> solvespace is awesome but WAAAY not enough developers.
[05:33:01] <XXCoder> its forum SUCKS hard
[05:33:02] <fenn> openscad is really hard to use even if you are a coder
[05:33:08] <ganzuul> XXCoder: If you immediately try to learn Blender as a CAD program, you're likely to encounter big problems. I learned it as a graphical design tool, so I'm familiar with most of the important features.
[05:33:09] <fenn> been meaning to try out solvespace
[05:33:24] <XXCoder> fenn: its constrant based
[05:33:29] <XXCoder> fun
[05:33:45] <XXCoder> tutorial mostly work, though the joints one dont seem to work at all.
[05:34:17] <fenn> i wonder what happens when i input a stewart platform
[05:34:28] <XXCoder> whats it
[05:34:40] <fenn> 6DOF parallel kinematic manipulator
[05:34:48] <fenn> really complex math to solve it
[05:34:53] <ganzuul> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_platform
[05:35:14] <XXCoder> reading
[05:35:18] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl-IrlEcXGw
[05:35:49] <fenn> i managed to build one in lego digital designer and it worked
[05:36:11] <XXCoder> which one?
[05:36:11] <fenn> not with screws just telescoping pieces
[05:36:28] <XXCoder> mlcad, some other ldraw packages? I think theres other one
[05:36:47] <XXCoder> heh I made ldrdat2dxf and obj
[05:36:53] <XXCoder> been years.
[05:37:38] <fenn> terrible video
[05:37:48] <XXCoder> yeah had to stop after couple seconds
[05:37:56] <XXCoder> way too "handcam"
[05:37:57] <fenn> skip to 2min
[05:38:01] <XXCoder> get a tripod man
[05:38:53] <ganzuul> AvE usually has good production values.
[05:41:31] <fenn> lego digital designer was the official lego cad program and had a pretty good constraint solver
[05:41:38] <XXCoder> ahh
[05:41:44] <XXCoder> yea never worked with ldd
[05:42:10] <XXCoder> always preferred mlcad even with not having any physical stuff
[05:42:19] <XXCoder> (you can put part inside another for one)
[05:44:15] <fenn> in ldd you could do technic gear trains and linkages and then "animate" them by rotating one of the gears, and all the other gears and stuff would move along with it
[05:44:23] <XXCoder> fenn: if you used mlcad you could then use my old program ldrdat2dxf to make it into dxf model
[05:44:27] <XXCoder> then its cnc time babyu
[05:45:48] <fenn> still no anti-aliasing huh
[05:46:17] <XXCoder> model smooth? nah
[05:46:33] <XXCoder> would need to use cad software to smooth modek
[05:46:43] <XXCoder> below 45 degrees should do it
[05:46:51] <fenn> well just the interface looks terrible
[05:47:00] <XXCoder> mlcad
[05:47:01] <XXCoder> ?
[05:47:03] <fenn> yeah
[05:47:10] <XXCoder> its quite old too
[05:47:29] <XXCoder> ldraw has been halfway between dead and alive for decades since inventor died
[05:48:00] <XXCoder> last update 02-2014. much recent since I last read it
[05:48:13] <fenn> free software never dies
[05:48:27] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:48:33] <XXCoder> more like free standards
[05:48:45] <XXCoder> james was a genius
[05:49:02] <XXCoder> he found a way to REALLY compress format which works for lego since it repeats a lot
[05:49:05] <XXCoder> like studs
[05:49:14] <XXCoder> 2x4 brick has 8 of em.
[05:49:23] <XXCoder> why has data over and over?
[05:49:50] <fenn> this has decent antialiasing http://ldglite.sourceforge.net/
[05:49:51] <XXCoder> model converted by my program usually is MUCH bigger.
[05:50:37] <XXCoder> heh once converted one of larger models. good grief model was 1000 times bigger than entire ldraw download.
[05:51:29] <XXCoder> http://www.pearse.co.uk/lego/links/ldrdat2dxf/ guy is helping me by hosting it
[05:53:28] <XXCoder> https://github.com/rredford/LdrawToObj source code for OBJ version
[05:53:42] <XXCoder> if you want more updated version lol
[05:54:02] <fenn> http://www.blendswap.com/blends/view/72124 looks like a photo
[05:54:29] <XXCoder> nice indeed.
[05:57:37] <XXCoder> just googled ldrdat2dxf
[05:57:43] <XXCoder> heez so ,amy sites has it now
[05:57:50] <XXCoder> *geez *many
[06:26:28] <XXCoder> wow
[06:26:29] <XXCoder> http://www.eliomotors.com/the-first-pictures-of-the-elio-engine-in-the-p5/
[06:26:32] <XXCoder> amazing
[06:26:54] <XXCoder> 5th and probably final prototype
[06:27:15] <fenn> i'm still waiting for aptera
[06:27:31] <fenn> may have to make my own...
[06:27:31] <XXCoder> check out 3rd pic
[06:27:35] <XXCoder> brand new motor
[06:29:02] <fenn> i like the color scheme :)
[06:29:17] <XXCoder> still not sure what color I would choose.
[06:29:21] <XXCoder> probably blue or gray
[06:29:33] <XXCoder> I will never own a white car
[06:29:55] <fenn> coat it with superhydrophobic nanotech so you never have to wash it
[06:30:06] <fenn> is that a thing yet?
[06:30:15] <fenn> you can buy it at lowes
[06:30:24] <XXCoder> it exists but dunno if would work on cars
[06:30:30] <XXCoder> riciously expensive
[06:30:32] <fenn> sure it would work on cars
[06:30:36] <fenn> $20 per can, come on
[06:30:52] <XXCoder> wonder if it dries clear LOL
[06:31:07] <fenn> no it's a light grey/white translucent color
[06:31:18] <XXCoder> too bad
[06:31:22] <XXCoder> would be great
[06:32:13] <XXCoder> nice https://github.com/whitequark/solvespace
[06:32:25] <XXCoder> fork from solvespace
[06:33:16] <fenn> ...
[06:33:20] <fenn> that's just how you use github
[06:33:38] <XXCoder> its unoffical fork so people can add better linux support
[06:55:31] <malcom2073> fenn: It's called waxz
[06:55:32] <malcom2073> wax
[06:55:33] <malcom2073> :P
[06:56:43] <XXCoder> no, waxz sounds cool
[06:57:02] <malcom2073> Should be an automatic waxing product
[07:02:27] <fenn> malcom2073 surely you've seen those videos where they bounce a stream of ketchup or chocolate syrup off some freshly painted shoes
[07:03:17] <malcom2073> lol yeah
[07:03:28] <XXCoder> I want hyrophobic surfaces so hyrophobic that rain wouldnt even touch me if I put it on shoes.
[07:03:41] <XXCoder> probably hard to drink anything though. lol
[07:04:33] <malcom2073> Bwahah
[07:04:34] <malcom2073> yeah
[07:09:04] <fenn> here is the NeverWet product demo if you haven't seen it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrjXSsfxMQ
[07:09:54] <fenn> not content with simple ketchup, our engineers broadened their perspectives to testing with mustard, soda, red wine vinegar, chocolate syrup, gravy, toilet bowl cleaner...
[07:11:20] <XXCoder> think thats water?
[07:11:46] <XXCoder> its actually waterlike oil thats not conductive.
[07:11:48] <fenn> you know you're doing TV science when they break out the colored water
[07:11:49] <XXCoder> jk heh
[07:12:40] <fenn> there's another video where they coat tools and boots in it and dunk them in concrete
[07:13:21] <XXCoder> fenn: euro is using it on walls
[07:13:35] <XXCoder> it bounces piss back on people
[07:15:24] <XXCoder> http://mentalfloss.com/uk/technology/27669/pee-on-this-wall-it-pees-back-at-you
[07:15:27] <fenn> in soviet francisco wall pisses on you!
[07:41:07] <trentster> I think I am in love http://www.teknic.com/products/clearpath-brushless-dc-servo-motors/
[07:41:59] <XXCoder> just remember its not designed for internal usage ;)
[07:42:10] <trentster> haha
[07:42:18] <ganzuul> aw yiss!
[07:42:26] <XXCoder> stepper killer
[07:42:34] <ganzuul> Got some second hand grinding wheels for 6 euro a piece.
[07:42:39] <ganzuul> White, pink and green.
[07:42:51] <ganzuul> Passed ring test, 200mm.
[07:43:01] <ganzuul> But what do I use these colors for?
[07:43:06] <XXCoder> trentster: looks nice but not too sure what size it is
[07:43:17] <XXCoder> nema23? 35? some other huge size I dont know about?
[07:43:35] <fenn> what kind of nema23 stepper motors supposedly cost $270
[07:43:44] <DaViruz> "but we reduced cost and space (and got rid of potential noise problems) by not running the encoder signals to the outside world. "
[07:43:49] <DaViruz> :(
[07:44:55] <fenn> ganzuul: "White Aluminum Oxide - Used on tool steels and mold steels
[07:45:05] <fenn> Pink or Blue Aluminum Oxide - Used on alloyed tool steels
[07:45:12] <fenn> Green Silicon Carbide - Used on non-ferrous materials such as aluminum and carbide tooling.
[07:45:21] <trentster> XXCoder: they have a range nema 23-34 sizes http://www.teknic.com/products/clearpath-brushless-dc-servo-motors/#clearpath_sd_info
[07:45:34] <XXCoder> interesting
[07:45:55] <fenn> i think pink just means extra hard binder
[07:46:09] <XXCoder> my entire cnc electrics cost less than that single motor
[07:46:18] <XXCoder> but then its MUCH more fancy than mine
[07:46:21] <trentster> Did you watch the video with the acrylic rod passing in between a slit of a spinning disk - amazing!
[07:47:14] <fenn> ganzuul: if the wheels have letters and numbers you can probably decode them
[07:47:45] <fenn> but that won't really tell you much more than i have already
[07:48:25] <ganzuul> hmm
[07:48:28] <ganzuul> okay! \o.
[07:48:57] <ganzuul> BTW are servos used in electric wheelchairs? Because I found an abandoned one.
[07:49:14] <XXCoder> that is... weird
[07:49:15] <ganzuul> Has two big motots
[07:49:40] <zeeshan> that is extremely weird
[07:49:59] <ganzuul> ...The wheelchair?
[07:50:03] <Wolf_> not servos, just dc gear motors on wheelchair, with 24v brakes
[07:50:18] <ganzuul> It's next to a hospital dumpster.
[07:50:28] <XXCoder> interesting
[07:50:30] <ganzuul> Hospitals throw out expensive stuff.
[07:50:34] <XXCoder> somethings probably broken
[07:50:41] <XXCoder> or has something on it
[07:50:41] <ganzuul> No battery in it.
[07:50:48] <fenn> i would get the motors at least
[07:51:02] <ganzuul> What can they be used for?
[07:51:09] <fenn> umm, battlebots
[07:51:13] <XXCoder> spindle?
[07:51:20] <ganzuul> hm..
[07:51:22] <fenn> cnc servos i guess
[07:51:24] <XXCoder> not fancy indexable onbe?
[07:51:39] <XXCoder> actually yeah. just need encoders added
[07:51:43] <XXCoder> then it would work
[07:51:50] <XXCoder> controller of some kind
[07:52:09] <fenn> they exhibit torque cogging and have high(er) inertia, but that may not be a problem
[07:52:12] <ganzuul> Eeew! Brushed motors.
[07:52:39] <XXCoder> ganzuul: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc1jSjNgquc ?
[07:52:48] <XXCoder> oh wait engine swap NM
[07:53:27] <zeeshan> i pulled a furry wolf on wednesday
[07:53:28] <zeeshan> almost
[07:53:31] <fenn> i don't see the relevance of that video to anything
[07:53:41] <zeeshan> sat on my chair at work
[07:53:47] <zeeshan> suddenly turned around
[07:53:47] <XXCoder> fenn: yeah I guessed wrong. I did say NM lol
[07:53:56] <zeeshan> pulled a tendon
[07:54:03] <zeeshan> but im still working through it
[07:54:04] <fenn> worker's comp!
[07:54:13] <zeeshan> boy i didnt know muscle pain can be that bad
[07:54:31] <fenn> oh didn't you say it was a desk job and you'd never get hurt
[07:54:36] <zeeshan> haha yea!
[07:54:41] <zeeshan> i can still work
[07:54:48] <zeeshan> but it hurts :(
[07:54:54] <XXCoder> ganzuul: maybe can convert brushed to brushless if its even possible.
[07:54:58] <fenn> my condolences
[07:55:15] <XXCoder> zeeshan: just be glad its not arthitis
[07:55:17] <fenn> take a bath in epsom salts
[07:55:26] <fenn> the magnesium is a muscle relaxer
[07:55:26] <XXCoder> had it for 13 years now
[07:55:41] <zeeshan> its crazy how painful it can be :P
[07:55:50] <zeeshan> fenn will try
[07:55:57] <zeeshan> i got all sorts of ointments on my back
[07:56:01] <zeeshan> and ibuprofen seems to help
[07:56:36] <zeeshan> i need to somehow work on these stablized wood handles!!
[07:56:43] <zeeshan> ill take it easy, but ill work on it
[07:56:56] <zeeshan> my lathe is scheduled for delivery on oct 5
[07:57:06] <zeeshan> want to get em all done before then
[07:57:07] <ganzuul> XXCoder: I don't believe it's worth the effort...
[07:57:11] <Tom_itx> XXCoder white cars have the highest resale value
[07:57:18] <Tom_itx> morning zeeshan
[07:57:18] <XXCoder> doubtfl yeah gan
[07:57:22] <zeeshan> molrning
[07:57:29] <Tom_itx> morladkf back
[07:57:36] <zeeshan> :]
[07:57:38] <ganzuul> The brake and gear might be interesting though...
[07:57:48] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: yeah? I hated how I had to wash my white car pretty often. I dont care much about car washing.
[07:57:59] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: im still impressed by your spindle
[07:58:02] <zeeshan> stalling and tapping
[07:58:03] <Tom_itx> so drive a tan car until you sell it
[07:58:05] <zeeshan> and not snapping a tap
[07:58:06] <zeeshan> :D
[07:58:09] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: http://dilbert.com/strip/1991-05-29
[07:58:20] <Tom_itx> zeeshan and you doubted the developers?
[07:58:24] <zeeshan> :P
[07:58:25] <Tom_itx> i didn't...
[07:58:58] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, it was actually worse than that
[07:59:19] <Tom_itx> i re ran the holes 3 times to get that video so it wasn't crap
[07:59:43] <Tom_itx> on another note... i'm impressed i can re enter the holes as well and still get a very good thread
[08:00:58] <Tom_itx> XXCoder, just run it thru the swamp once in a while
[08:01:04] <XXCoder> lol
[08:01:44] <zeeshan> :P
[08:02:20] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, the spindle stalls long enough for the PID to acumulate enough error to kick it in gear
[08:02:32] <zeeshan> lol
[08:03:25] <Tom_itx> i suppose if i had the regular pulley ratio it would be better but it's set for the 'high' speed mode
[08:03:47] <zeeshan> its a dc motor?
[08:03:52] <Tom_itx> yes
[08:04:01] <zeeshan> yea im, not sure about lower end torque :P
[08:04:02] <zeeshan> brb
[08:05:57] <Wolf_> speaking of motors and torque, I need some suggestions for motor/vfd to drive a x2 mill spindle… I don’t have too much of a idea of what I’m looking for
[08:06:18] <archivist> nor do I
[08:06:49] <archivist> slap something big enough on
[08:07:07] <Wolf_> 3/4hp
[08:07:45] <archivist> I think mine has 1/2 hp
[08:11:49] <ganzuul> :D
[08:12:22] <ganzuul> Just notices someone has scribbled "pikateräs" (high speed steel) on the pink stone.
[08:12:27] <ganzuul> ~ noticed
[08:29:07] <zeeshan> cute little motors you guys have
[08:29:08] <zeeshan> :-)
[08:29:33] * zeeshan still hasnt lost the trolling skills in severe back pain
[08:29:33] <zeeshan> :D
[08:34:12] <archivist> at least I have a cnc ruler :)
[08:34:17] <zeeshan> ?!
[08:34:25] <archivist> CMM
[08:34:31] * ganzuul pokes zeeshan in the ribs to make him twitch
[08:34:39] <zeeshan> ribs dont hurt my friend :P
[08:34:45] <zeeshan> haha archivist nice way to refer to it
[08:34:49] <zeeshan> ill do that to annoy people
[08:34:55] <zeeshan> by belittling it :P
[08:35:03] <ganzuul> But twitching makes your whole body... nm
[08:36:48] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDgwMA==/z/XF4AAOSwVL1WAZlQ/$_27.JPG
[08:36:55] <zeeshan> kinda weird ?
[08:37:03] <zeeshan> its rated at 190V?
[08:37:48] <jthornton> I think my Analiam servos are 190v
[08:37:52] <jthornton> on the BP
[08:38:30] <ganzuul> Maybe some sort of flyback arc-over thing?
[08:38:43] <zeeshan> jthornton: oh its a servo?
[08:38:47] <zeeshan> not an induction motor?
[08:39:03] <Sync> zeeshan: 3phase 110V
[08:39:11] <Sync> = 190V line-line
[08:39:22] <zeeshan> thats an odd motor :P
[08:39:26] <zeeshan> i havent seen 3 phase 110v
[08:40:03] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/YASKAWA-3-PHASE-INDUCTION-MOTOR-EEA-1KM-FROM-MORI-SEIKI-LATHE-SL-3A-/111411182637
[08:40:05] <zeeshan> found another one like it
[08:40:11] <zeeshan> same model number
[08:40:12] <ganzuul> Bleh. I need aluminium bar stock...
[08:40:14] <zeeshan> says 3 phase induction motor
[08:40:17] <zeeshan> so its not a servo
[08:40:26] <Sync> it is yaskawa, they make weird shit
[08:40:38] <zeeshan> so if you gave it 240v 3 ph
[08:40:47] <zeeshan> i wonder if the insulation will break down
[08:40:50] <zeeshan> i doubt it
[08:40:51] <Sync> no
[09:16:14] <ganzuul> DREHFUTTER
[09:16:29] <ganzuul> 4-BACKEN
[09:21:33] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/G4blsqY - Oh - that's where I put it.
[09:22:44] <ganzuul> Is the wrench alright!?
[09:54:46] <archivist> the wrench feels exhausted
[09:55:35] <malcom2073> haha oops
[09:58:00] <archivist> what a turbine spanner actually looks like http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=Adjustable+spanner+Terry%27s+turbine+spanner+feeler
[10:36:06] <tjtr33> archivist, are those like feeler gauge leafs on the turbine spanner?
[10:36:18] <archivist> yes
[10:36:45] <archivist> but all 1/32 or similar
[10:37:09] <archivist> there is a german version too
[10:37:36] <tjtr33> leafs with lots of gears ? ;)
[10:37:42] <archivist> no gears
[10:37:51] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=huber
[10:38:15] <tjtr33> ^^ joke about the overengineering of some older german mechanicals
[10:38:25] <archivist> a fundamental design flaw
[10:39:33] <archivist> one thing I have learned is how many poor designs there were (and still new crop up now and again)
[10:40:45] <archivist> rarely do the designers think about the average shop floor gorilla
[10:44:41] <archivist> another fundamentally flawed german spanner http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchv4page=1&searchstr=mauser
[10:45:36] <archivist> the tightening force pushes the adjusting nut out of mesh
[10:53:00] <fenn> only in the UK does searchstr=mauser return images of spanners
[11:16:16] <enleth> Have you tried making water-cut hook wrenches?
[11:17:34] <enleth> I need several for the bridgeport and it seems to be the cheapest and easiest way to get them
[11:21:28] <Sync> I just bought a full set from my tool dealer here
[11:21:37] <Sync> way cheaper than making my own
[11:22:57] <enleth> Sync: good for you to have a competent tool dealer around
[11:23:29] <enleth> But waterjet cutting is so cheap I can't imagine getting non-chinese hook wrenches cheaper
[11:23:58] <enleth> Getting wrenches that fit a particular machine, made from good steel, and cheap sounds like a win-win
[11:24:58] <Sync> mine were like 4-6€ each
[11:25:08] <Sync> and they are gedore
[11:25:48] <enleth> That's about as much as it would cost to cut them out of good 6mm steel in my area
[11:27:23] <Sync> + your time drawing them
[11:27:39] <Sync> and then finishing them because they have sharp edges
[11:28:25] <enleth> But I can get customs that way.
[11:29:02] <enleth> One of the retaining rings in the b'port is in such a shitty place that a regular hook wrench wouldn't be able to grab it
[11:30:40] <enleth> I can design a much longer, curved handle and then have it bent in two spots on a press
[11:32:41] <enleth> And I can get some wrenches that fit onto a woodruff keyed shaft
[12:38:20] <archivist> I need some C spanners for Renishaw probes, they have a round pin pressed/glued in
[12:40:25] <zeeshan> make
[12:41:44] <archivist> I have a real pair of one size so can scale to the other sizes I need
[12:42:29] <archivist> the CMM was supposed to lack a probe, but one appeared when I went to collect it :)
[12:42:42] <renesis> shhh
[12:42:59] <archivist> I never said a word :)
[12:43:14] <archivist> I didnt fit it
[12:44:13] <archivist> need some M2 styli now
[12:50:19] <enleth> archivist: those are like hook wrenches but with a pin instead of a tab, right?
[13:14:01] <ganzuul> "In order to reach some of the finishes required to meet ASME B 16.5, the flange should be machined using a single point cutting tool. The single point tool enables on-site machinists to achieve the grooves required to created surface finishes suitable of creating a strong leak-proof seal for gasket flanges, such as the serrated surface (see image). As such, single point cutting tools will be used with a
[13:14:07] <ganzuul> flange facing machine."
[13:14:09] <ganzuul> hmm
[13:14:54] <archivist> enleth, in the UK we call either shape of hook a C spanner
[13:16:23] <archivist> the toolkit is pricey http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-1042-7030
[13:18:24] <DaViruz> being renishaw i kind of expected several hundred at least
[13:18:36] <DaViruz> for just the allen key
[13:20:57] <archivist> they do like to charge :)
[13:21:38] <archivist> they get away with it like Apple and other luxury goods
[13:22:47] <pcw_home> Top of the line or pretty darned close
[13:25:21] <archivist> going to be fun making linuxcnc calibrate a probe properly
[13:37:54] <ganzuul> " Other Flange Facings. Either a serrated con-
[13:37:55] <ganzuul> centricorserratedspiralfinishhavingaresultantsurface
[13:37:55] <ganzuul> finish from 3.2 to 6.3 ?m (125 to 250 ?in.) average
[13:37:55] <ganzuul> roughnessshallbefurnished. Thecuttingtoolemployed
[13:37:55] <ganzuul> should have an approximate 1.5 mm (0.06 in.) or larger
[13:37:57] <ganzuul> radius, and there should be from 1.8 grooves/mm
[13:37:59] <ganzuul> through 2.2 grooves/mm (45 grooves/in. through 55
[13:38:02] <ganzuul> grooves/in.)."
[13:38:04] <ganzuul> That's not single point...
[14:18:18] <zeeshan> fucking hell
[14:18:24] <zeeshan> goddamn carbide and goddamn hands
[14:18:54] <zeeshan> i was taking the tool out and knocked it against a piece of steel
[14:18:56] <zeeshan> and it snapped off
[14:19:00] <zeeshan> it wasnt even that hard of a knock
[14:19:08] <zeeshan> more like a brush
[14:19:20] <zeeshan> one of the tips is gone now :[
[14:19:26] <zeeshan> pardon my language :P
[14:23:11] <renesis> ha, i think i only broke one <0.020" drill going through FR4
[14:24:15] <renesis> the rest were like, caught it with my pinkie, or dropped it 2"
[14:25:19] <renesis> .012" drill goes through 1/16" fiberglass hundreds of time, defeated by a carpet fiber when i picked it up off the floor
[14:26:27] <ganzuul> Fast brush?
[14:59:33] <Sync> aww zeeshan
[15:29:02] <ganzuul> What is this unaccountable, irrecoverable idiocy of preferring scraping over grinding for producing a master surface plate on the assumption that you ALREADY HAVE a master surface plate??
[15:32:44] <Sync> have you compared a ground plate and a scraped plate?
[15:33:52] <ganzuul> I might have seen a scraped plate once.
[15:35:26] <ganzuul> ...Suppose, what I need is a practice by which my master surface is progressively refined by the way it is used for production.
[15:35:42] <ganzuul> So that it becomes more accurate with time rather than less.
[15:50:36] <ganzuul> I suppose the 3 plate method is also a reversal method... But operating in surface rather than lines.
[15:50:57] <ganzuul> ~plane
[15:55:01] <ganzuul> And reversal methods are used in self-calibrating machinery...
[15:57:03] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, that'll cost ya
[16:15:35] <Deejay> gn8
[16:27:35] <enleth> bridgeport almost ready for the first cut
[16:29:42] <enleth> but I opened a beer to celebrate successful spindle bearing replacement so I have to wait for it to wear off
[16:29:57] <XXCoder> thats good idea
[16:30:03] <XXCoder> beer and big machines dont mix
[16:30:23] <XXCoder> because if you do, it will soon include another liquid - blood.
[16:30:44] <enleth> all that's left is to hook up the VFD to internal power rails
[16:33:21] <enleth> I figured out how to reassemble the erickson locknut without a manual
[16:33:47] <enleth> and I've got a funny workaround for one relay that's acting up
[16:34:10] <enleth> it works if there's a voltmeter connected to the unused output.
[16:34:19] <enleth> fuck if I know why
[16:34:29] <andypugh> I can’t quite bring myself to click the button on the HSM Pro 30-day trial.
[16:35:31] <andypugh> (because I just know that I will have a complicated job on day 31…)
[16:36:24] <Sync> snapshot VM
[16:36:42] <andypugh> I did, but I don’t know if that will work :-)
[16:37:11] <andypugh> It seems that a fallback might be pay-as-you go Fusion-360
[16:37:47] <andypugh> Certainly $25 for a month of 360 is more tempting than $10,000 for a year of HSM Pro
[16:40:26] <XXCoder> whats limits on trail
[16:41:21] <XXCoder> oh express is free
[16:41:26] <andypugh> the 30 day trial is the full thing, no limits. And the free HSM-Express is OK for many jobs, but this pattern has lots of draft angles.
[16:42:04] <andypugh> Express gives you face, pocket and trace. No fully-3D paths.
[16:42:35] <andypugh> I could probably improvise with Trace and hand-work for this pattern
[16:42:50] <andypugh> But not for the core box, I don’t think.
[16:44:28] <XXCoder> no angled em?
[16:44:56] <andypugh> ?
[16:44:58] <[cube]> and that its covered
[16:45:05] <XXCoder> can always do very time-expensive ball end em cut
[16:45:18] <[cube]> wrong chan, sry
[16:45:20] <andypugh> “em”?
[16:45:23] <malcom2073> Got the ram on my mill!
[16:45:23] <XXCoder> ah proper word is tapered andypugh
[16:52:37] <andypugh> I could probably set up the draft angle in kinematics....
[16:52:49] <Topy44> does anyone have any SHF8 mounting brackets for 8mm shafts lying around? i can't find any proper technical drawings of it and need some measurements...
[16:52:53] <Topy44> they look like this: http://dump.t44.org/2015-09-26_23-28-42.png
[16:56:49] <andypugh> If the central hole is 8mm you can scale from a drawing and make an educated guess.
[16:57:46] <andypugh> But if you prefer to be sure, there is a drawing here: http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/mechanical-products/precision-round-rails-end-supports/shf-type-precision-round-rail-end-support.html
[16:58:44] <Topy44> except that its not. SHF8 looks different
[16:58:59] <Topy44> its weird, all the drawings and tables show the design of the larger ones
[16:59:06] <andypugh> It says “SHF8” on the drawing…
[16:59:07] <Topy44> but the 8mm one looks like the image above
[16:59:55] <Topy44> also the thing i want to know is not in that table
[17:00:03] <Topy44> it appears to have a counterbore
[17:00:06] <andypugh> You can be faiirly sure about the important dimensions like hole centres though.
[17:00:28] <Topy44> and i want to know its size - as in the image it looks like its too small for a standard M5 socket hea
[17:00:28] <Topy44> d
[17:01:09] <andypugh> The upper one looks to have a counterbore, the bottom one doesn’t
[17:01:32] <andypugh> (It’s the other way round, but still)
[17:02:05] <Topy44> yeah pretty sure thats just the back side
[17:02:55] <Topy44> its actually important for the thing i'm designing, as if it doesn't have a counterbore i don't have enough room for the head
[17:03:07] <Topy44> (or if that counterbore is some odd format)
[17:03:11] <malcom2073> Wolf_: https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/12002591_1141203675894012_2216019232244906070_o.jpg
[17:03:18] <XXCoder> Topy44: you has a physical copy?
[17:03:33] <Topy44> XXCoder: well no, otherwise i wouldn't be asking :)
[17:03:37] <XXCoder> lol ok
[17:15:58] <Nick001> Topy44> If you have about 15 min- I can go to the shop and dig some out and measure them
[17:16:31] <Topy44> Nick001: oh that would be awesome! if its not too much trouble
[17:17:04] <Nick001> just a drive through the woods back in a few
[17:17:04] <Topy44> i ordered some but it will be 4-6 weeks until they are here - and i want to have the design ready by then
[17:17:51] <Topy44> i actually asked several chinese sellers of those things if they had more measurements or technical drawings, but the answers were generally incoherent and useless :
[17:17:52] <Topy44> :)
[17:18:37] <Topy44> some sent an attached picture that was already in the item description, some linked the same dimensions table, and some just answered with random gibberish
[17:20:39] <XXCoder> yeah
[17:20:54] <XXCoder> same happened to me. i managed to find one though
[17:22:13] <XXCoder> tips is dont use overly techinical words
[17:22:18] <XXCoder> and be clear
[17:22:38] <XXCoder> its clear must uses autotranslation
[17:22:43] <XXCoder> most
[17:27:04] <Topy44> yeah
[17:27:25] <Topy44> also i noticed it helps to learn which formulations they use and use the same, even if they don't seem to make sense
[17:27:37] <Topy44> because they translate them back to chinese and they make sense again :)
[17:28:15] <Nick001-shop> Topy44> you there?
[17:28:47] <Topy44> yeah
[17:29:01] <Nick001-shop> what measurements do you need?
[17:29:21] <Topy44> most importantly the diameter and depth of the counterbore on the mounting holes
[17:29:50] <Nick001-shop> it seems to be for a 4mm cap screw
[17:29:51] <renesis> mcmaster doesnt carry them?
[17:30:35] <Topy44> Nick001: ah! interesting, as the table claims the mounting hole to be for an M5 screw
[17:30:40] <Topy44> also, a quick check that the other dimensions are correct would be good - distance between mounting holes especially
[17:31:02] <Topy44> as well as total outer height and width
[17:31:04] <Nick001-shop> dia 0.218 thru cd 0.288x0.185dp
[17:31:19] <Topy44> umh...
[17:31:36] <Topy44> oh, right, imperial... lets see...
[17:32:08] <Topy44> wait... that doesn't make sense
[17:32:09] <Nick001-shop> sorry about the imperial measurements but I'm an american
[17:32:13] <Topy44> yeah
[17:32:25] <Topy44> i'm trying to make sense of those numbers
[17:32:27] <XXCoder> or citzen of 2 other countries lol
[17:33:11] <Nick001-shop> that 4mm screw has a mile of clearance
[17:33:14] <Topy44> whats "cd" and "dp"?
[17:33:45] <Nick001-shop> counter bore and depth
[17:34:02] <Topy44> ah, right
[17:34:03] <Nick001-shop> cb -)
[17:34:06] <Topy44> and diameter of the hole
[17:34:12] <Topy44> now the numbers make sense :)
[17:34:30] <Nick001-shop> 0.218 for the screw hole
[17:34:37] <Topy44> yeah, got it
[17:34:54] <Topy44> thats about right for what it says in the drawing
[17:35:03] <Topy44> thanks!
[17:35:10] <andypugh> http://www.roymech.co.uk/Useful_Tables/Screws/cap_screws.htm
[17:35:37] <andypugh> Means that the hole is too big for M4, and the counterbore is too small for M5
[17:35:44] <Topy44> yeah thats what i thought
[17:35:47] <Topy44> odd
[17:35:51] <andypugh> Personally I would re-counterbore.
[17:35:56] <Nick001-shop> 1.246 center distance for the 2 screw holes
[17:36:20] <andypugh> That nearly matches the quoted 32mm
[17:36:52] <Topy44> yeah thats probably within measurement error or manufacturing tolerance
[17:37:00] <Nick001-shop> what is the head diameter for a 5mm cap screw
[17:37:17] <Topy44> 8.14-8.5 according to that table above
[17:37:43] <Topy44> i think there are "slim" head types, i'll check some catalogues
[17:38:11] <Nick001-shop> they're leaving plenty of adjusting room
[17:39:15] <Nick001-shop> thats thinning that out pretty good
[17:39:16] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lr4pc42ao1wv95l/20150926-20150926-_9260137-1600-90.jpg?dl=0
[17:39:20] <t12> those are some small solder cups
[17:40:41] <Nick001-shop> BTW the used a drill point for the counter bore - not a flat bottom for a screw head to rest on
[17:40:57] <Nick001-shop> the/they
[17:41:20] <Topy44> right
[17:41:31] <Topy44> so probably best not to use it as a counter bore
[17:41:42] <Topy44> maybe i'll just use them backwards
[17:42:09] <Topy44> anyway, thanks a lot!
[17:42:46] <Nick001-shop> put a heavy flat washer under the head and it should work OK
[17:43:16] <Topy44> nah i'll just mount them them backwards
[17:43:24] <Topy44> there is a proper edge on the other side
[17:43:28] <Topy44> for an M5 screw
[17:44:45] <Nick001-shop> I would check the squareness of the 8mm hole to the faces
[17:44:59] <Topy44> oh, is it a problem on yours?
[17:45:09] <andypugh> t12: The four-pole Lemo 00 size are a nightmare
[17:45:42] <Topy44> damn cheap chinese manufacturing. its always a 50:50 chance if you get something perfectly decent or something that is just a visual approximation of the actual item :)
[17:46:30] <Topy44> i got some horrific ball bearings a few days ago, i have thrown out bearings as "worn out" that were better than those are new :)
[17:46:43] <andypugh> t12: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jaymis/7941618520 but at least there are none in the middle.
[17:47:13] <andypugh> Topy44: Did you buy C4 by mistake?
[17:50:11] <Nick001-shop> I haven't checked - the one face has machining marks on it,so it may have been machined with the bore. Measuring the the faces has about 0.005" difference. You may have to use them the way they were machined-just use a heavy washer to cover up the counter bore.
[17:50:41] <Topy44> Nick001: oh, right, now i understand what you mean. yeah, good point.
[17:51:36] <Topy44> andypugh: no i think i just bought rubbish :)
[17:51:45] <andypugh> Or machine the counter-bore correctly. 8.5mm drill first, then an 8.5mm drill ground to a flat end will work.
[17:52:08] <andypugh> Using a cordless hand drill, even.
[17:52:13] <Topy44> yeah i have flat end drills
[17:52:59] <andypugh> Start with a normal one to aid concentricity. (and tomorrow I will tell you how ti suck eggs)
[17:53:03] <Nick001-shop> Wait till you get bearing blocks with the bearings - 0.005" play on a hard shaft. I was lucky to get my money back on them.
[17:53:18] <Topy44> wow
[17:53:25] <Topy44> yeah i ordered some of those
[17:53:30] <Topy44> however, i ordered adjustable ones
[17:54:12] <Topy44> (assuming you are talking about linear bearings)
[17:54:38] <Topy44> and for another project i ordered the regular ones with the crappy chinese bearings, however i don't plan on using the bearings, i'll put misumi bearings in the blocks
[17:54:57] <Nick001-shop> I got some of them too - The bearing isn't quite parallel to the mounting surface, Good luck-)
[17:55:06] <Topy44> as the chinese bearing blocks including bearings and shipping are still much much cheaper than a misumi bearing block, but a misumi bearing isn't expensive :)
[17:55:13] <Topy44> ugh.
[17:55:15] <Topy44> heh
[17:55:17] <Topy44> ah well
[17:55:24] <Topy44> if they turn out to be rubbish... its not much money lost
[17:56:17] <Nick001-shop> Just time and effort - maybe you'll get a good supplier.
[17:56:39] <Topy44> the adjustable ones were slightly more expensive - but at around 4$ per block including bearing its still not exactly a fortune :)
[17:58:38] <ganzuul> -_-
[17:58:53] <Nick001-shop> Just when you stack up tolerances in a multiple part assembly. you don't you the expected results.
[17:58:58] <ganzuul> I have soap bars harder than this allen wrench...
[18:00:12] <Nick001-shop> another Chinese masterpiece?
[18:00:22] <ganzuul> ye
[18:01:00] <XXCoder> Nick001-shop: shop I work at usually has "normal tolence" and tolence they want for final assembly
[18:01:13] <XXCoder> latter is much smaller. like 0.01 to .002 +-
[18:02:45] <tiwake> why cant I have a modern car that is not designed in a dumb way?
[18:03:23] <XXCoder> 3d print your own
[18:03:35] <tiwake> admittedly, I havent looked that hard... but still.. it seems like nobody is interested in designing a car that can be worked on
[18:03:39] <Mac_VMC> good afternoon
[18:03:49] <XXCoder> tiwake: elio
[18:04:02] <Wolf_> they aren’t meant to be worked on
[18:04:22] <tiwake> right, and thats dumb
[18:04:51] <Wolf_> could be worse tho
[18:05:03] <XXCoder> it could have welded on hoods
[18:05:03] <Nick001-shop> when you assemble a linear bearing block with a mounting surface out about 0.003", when you get 10" away from it - that gets to be 0.030" of error
[18:05:06] <Wolf_> to do major work on my truck you need to take the cab off
[18:05:19] <tiwake> dumb
[18:05:28] <tiwake> I might end up building my own car
[18:05:46] <Wolf_> buy something made in the mid ‘70s
[18:06:01] <tiwake> I do want some modern stuff in it though
[18:06:17] <tiwake> and stuff made in the 70's or 80's wont last forever
[18:06:31] <XXCoder> get large cnc mill
[18:06:47] <tiwake> (well, nothing does, but thats beside the point)
[18:06:51] <Mac_VMC> serendipity? today I come out, turn on the touchprobe, and it works!
[18:07:01] <Wolf_> really, newer cars have loads of room to work on the motors once you gut all the epa crap
[18:07:04] <Mac_VMC> last night it wouldnt, excited!
[18:07:07] <XXCoder> I hardly see any old vw beetle now
[18:07:51] <tiwake> Wolf_: but you are paying for all the EPA junk, and have to wire in a new computer yourself so it wont go into lockdown mode from cutting it out
[18:08:07] <Wolf_> nope
[18:08:26] <Wolf_> I have a VW, comes from the factory ignoring all the junk ;P
[18:08:38] <XXCoder> lol
[18:08:46] <XXCoder> yeah that was bad :(
[18:08:50] <tiwake> heh
[18:08:53] <XXCoder> glad they got caught.
[18:09:33] <Wolf_> really tho, there are a few ECM tunes to do a DPF/adblue delete
[18:10:57] <tiwake> buy a band new car, first thing is to rip out the computer and replace with something fixable and cheap
[18:11:01] <Wolf_> some of the EPA regs make no sense
[18:11:40] <tiwake> I was looking at this http://rusefi.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[18:11:50] <tiwake> or maybe linuxCNC... heh
[18:11:59] <Wolf_> like my work truck, ford F550, motor is capped at 350hp iirc, the pickup with almost the same motor, almost 400hp
[18:13:21] <tiwake> building my own car almost sounds like fun
[18:13:41] <Wolf_> I sorta did that already, soon to do it again
[18:14:10] <tiwake> how would registration work? lol
[18:14:43] <tiwake> I suspect it would be like airplanes... 'experimental' or some such
[18:15:37] <Wolf_> took a 1993 two door ford explorer and gutted the whole drive line, swapped in a ’94 mustang v8, ’93 ECM from a manual car, aftermarket transmission controller, ’99 ford interceptor trans (4r70w)...
[18:16:24] <tiwake> sounds like a big project... lol
[18:16:27] <tiwake> how did that go?
[18:17:21] <Wolf_> all good till I did a solid front axle swap, had to put too much lift on the truck and some stuff wouldnt clear due to my axle choice
[18:17:56] <XXCoder> tiwake: yeah there was first 3d printed car recently
[18:18:20] <MacGalempsy> remember yesterday when we were talking about the renishaw sls?
[18:18:49] <MacGalempsy> well today, I read an article about the new fastest car attempt, and they were making the parts for it with the Renishaw sls
[18:18:54] <XXCoder> tiwake: https://localmotors.com/blog/post/local-motors-announces-winners-of-first-ever-3d-printed-car-design-challenge/1416/
[18:21:29] <tiwake> hmm
[18:21:38] <tiwake> I'm not seeing what they want for a custom built car
[18:21:54] <tiwake> necessary to get a license plate for
[18:22:11] <tiwake> http://www.dmv.org/or-oregon/other-types-of-vehicles.php#Custom-Built-Vehicles
[18:22:31] <tiwake> it wouldent be a reconstruction or replica
[18:23:02] <tiwake> emissions testing better not be required
[18:23:15] <tiwake> just says "if required"
[18:23:16] <XXCoder> Assembled, Reconstructed or Replica Vehicle Certification
[18:23:20] <XXCoder> first is assembled
[18:23:27] <XXCoder> meaning one you built yourself
[18:23:57] <XXCoder> there is some odd laws
[18:24:12] <tiwake> XXCoder: but if you look at the forum, it does not meet the requirements
[18:24:13] <XXCoder> like requiring windowwipers but not requiring any windscreen
[18:24:17] <Wolf_> most people find something to use as a “donor” for vin and whatnot
[18:25:33] <tiwake> one of these days some state is going to ragequit on the federal government
[18:26:10] <XXCoder> texas almost did lol
[18:26:25] <tiwake> yeah, texas would be the best off of all states
[18:26:44] <tiwake> when they more seriously consider it, or actually do it, I'm moving
[18:26:44] <XXCoder> big state or tiny country
[18:27:12] <tiwake> immigrate to the country of texas... lol
[18:27:25] <XXCoder> yeah better be grandfathered in than immigrate
[18:27:33] <XXCoder> bet you would be called usa names
[18:27:42] <tiwake> lol
[18:27:44] <XXCoder> hurry hurry move there
[18:27:52] <tiwake> XXCoder: you live in texas?
[18:27:56] <XXCoder> no lol
[18:28:04] <tiwake> hmm
[18:28:05] <XXCoder> I live at COW state
[18:28:15] <tiwake> I know a few people who live over there
[18:28:23] <tiwake> (texas)
[18:29:19] <tiwake> XXCoder: http://www.odot.state.or.us/forms/dmv/6511.pdf
[18:29:36] <tiwake> at the top of the page, the list of requirements
[18:29:52] <tiwake> a custom built car does not meet any of those requirements
[18:30:30] <XXCoder> theres people at east oregon and washington that want to split into new state or join idaho
[18:30:49] <tiwake> I could see that
[18:31:29] <andypugh> In the UK (incidentally a country rather smaller than Texas) you can get “Single Vehicle Approval” which requires an approved engineer to say that the vehicle is safe on the road and meets applicable laws.
[18:31:50] <Wolf_> tanks are included in that
[18:32:19] <tiwake> oh, on the second page it defines what assembled means
[18:32:30] <tiwake> so that is the "right" forum
[18:32:35] <XXCoder> reading
[18:33:13] <XXCoder> 3d printed would fall under assembled
[18:33:19] <tiwake> yeah
[18:33:59] <XXCoder> dont seem to be too complex
[18:34:08] <tiwake> oh and it defines the major parts at the very bottom
[18:34:34] <XXCoder> I was thinking making nice camp trailer
[18:34:50] <tiwake> I might drop a custom engine in it too... donno.. it would be different anyway
[18:36:54] <tiwake> http://freedom-motors.com/
[18:37:59] <renesis> murka motors
[18:38:15] <XXCoder> heh if it says freedom its trying to sell you something. but reading
[18:38:36] <XXCoder> interesting
[18:38:46] <tiwake> there is another internal combustion engine that looked interesting, its a rotary, but not the same action
[18:38:50] <XXCoder> small enough that you can make car that has one of those for each wheel
[18:39:11] <XXCoder> that would make for riciously powerful car
[18:39:17] <tiwake> oh hey, interesting idea
[18:39:33] <Wolf_> don’t those motors make for a bad day if the air/fuel mix is off?
[18:39:34] <tiwake> would need a transmission/clutch of some sort on each wheel though
[18:39:54] <tiwake> Wolf_: isnt that the case for all internal combustion engines?
[18:40:01] <tiwake> (including rocket...)
[18:40:11] <XXCoder> yeah probably some sort that uses planetary gearing system to make it MUCH more compact.
[18:40:21] <Wolf_> well, not running right vs melting down
[18:40:24] <XXCoder> Wolf_: yeah applies to everything
[18:40:29] <XXCoder> motor anyway lol
[18:40:49] <XXCoder> smart engine adjusts air input
[18:40:57] <XXCoder> so mix is correct under most cases
[18:41:17] <tiwake> I would think an electric motor would be better suited for driving each wheel, rather than mechanical motion from combustion
[18:41:33] <XXCoder> tiwake: yeah and theres one concept car that does exactly that,
[18:41:42] <XXCoder> pretty darn effective
[18:41:44] <renesis> http://freedom-motors.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=55&Itemid=73
[18:41:49] <renesis> wtf @ this website
[18:41:51] <XXCoder> no buffer between bumper and driver thoygh
[18:42:07] <Wolf_> one of the odd side jobs I did was adapting a air/fuel monitor box to have a remote face for some guys rx7 that had a 3 rotor motor in it
[18:42:07] <XXCoder> rating 2 out of 6
[18:42:10] <tiwake> XXCoder: put the trunk in the front
[18:42:21] <XXCoder> tiwake: and back. plenty of room.
[18:42:28] <andypugh> XXCoder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megola
[18:42:29] <tiwake> heh
[18:42:40] <XXCoder> expecially if lathium ion batteries not acid ones, tiwake
[18:43:15] <tiwake> lemme see if I can find that other engine design that looked interesting
[18:43:44] <XXCoder> wow
[18:43:48] <XXCoder> that is weird andy
[18:44:01] <tiwake> ooo... why not make it hydraulic driven?
[18:44:11] <tiwake> or is that too high speed for hydraulics?
[18:45:03] <andypugh> one drawback of the Megola seems to be that you can’t stop
[18:45:15] <tiwake> here is the engine... http://quasiturbine.promci.qc.ca/EQTDiscoverAward00.htm
[18:45:18] <Wolf_> full hyro drive systems are odd
[18:45:35] <Wolf_> they don’t coast worth a damn for starters
[18:45:51] <SolarNRG> hi
[18:46:17] <XXCoder> hey
[18:46:28] <tiwake> Wolf_: could if there is a clutch at each wheel...
[18:46:48] <tiwake> could the hydraulics also be used as a brake?
[18:46:58] <XXCoder> andypugh: makes sense I guess. no way to have any input to engine
[18:47:14] <Wolf_> yeah, but that adds more moving parts
[18:47:44] <tiwake> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasiturbine
[18:47:52] <XXCoder> jeez I hate center set text
[18:47:55] <XXCoder> very hard to read
[18:47:57] * Wolf_ wants a http://www.armyjeeps.net/CVRTStriker0717/index.htm but not quite that nice…
[18:48:31] <tiwake> Wolf_: with the optional 120mm smoothbore cannon addon?
[18:48:43] <tiwake> lol
[18:48:54] <Wolf_> naa, I want the recon/command variant
[18:49:41] <Wolf_> 120 mm is way big for them little tanks
[18:49:53] <tiwake> hydraulic would give a serious amount of torque from a standstill
[18:50:24] <Wolf_> http://www.armyjeeps.net/FV101-0714/index.htm
[18:51:15] <SolarNRG> hydraulics are also slow
[18:51:41] <XXCoder> umm
[18:51:43] <tiwake> SolarNRG: slow for what?
[18:51:48] <XXCoder> is that plastic pipe in second one
[18:51:55] <Wolf_> yeah
[18:52:10] <Wolf_> can’t really import it with a real cannon lol
[18:52:11] <malcom2073> We had a hydraulic driven robot that was capable of 40mph
[18:52:20] <XXCoder> makes sense
[18:52:23] <malcom2073> And that was in the 90's
[18:52:26] <malcom2073> bet you can go faster now
[18:52:40] <SolarNRG> depends what ur trying to do, if you're operating a minidigger and want to excavate a site, hydraulics are the way to go, but cnc often uses either steppers or servo
[18:52:44] <XXCoder> Wolf_: slow invasion plan - immgrants buy a tank one a time and rebuild it
[18:52:53] <XXCoder> then they finally invade country theyre in lol
[18:53:19] <tiwake> SolarNRG: context is building a custom car that does not suck... considering various different propulsion systems
[18:53:27] <malcom2073> tiwake: You seen wikispeed?
[18:53:38] <Wolf_> lol, these british tanks are small, you can haul them behind a pickup truck on a gooseneck trailer
[18:54:07] <tiwake> malcom2073: no?
[18:54:08] <XXCoder> perfect, just set a tank "Event" that turns rapidly into invasion lol
[18:54:56] <malcom2073> tiwake: A custom car that gets 100mph, and (not at the same time) is damn fast, and 5 star crash test rated
[18:55:09] <Wolf_> they are also aluminum so they wouldnt stand up to any of the US antitank stuff
[18:55:18] <tiwake> malcom2073: link?
[18:55:22] <malcom2073> 100mpg rather
[18:55:31] <XXCoder> lol ok Wolf_
[18:55:35] <malcom2073> http://wikispeed.org/
[18:56:07] <Wolf_> did you notice the first one I linked has UK road tags? :D
[18:56:14] <SolarNRG> tiwake, well some car makers have been doing this shit for over a hundred years, I played an old retro game called "detroit" not long ago on dosbox might give you some inspiration you start in 1907
[18:56:28] <SolarNRG> Sounds to me like you're trying to reinvent the wheel
[18:56:40] <XXCoder> Wolf_: I didnt but I already knwo it was in UK due to details lol
[18:56:43] <SolarNRG> I doubt you could make an engine better than some of the sports car manufacturers
[18:57:12] <SolarNRG> And if you want a fast car, do what the thrust 2 ssc team did, fire all the automotive engineers, hire aerospace engineers
[18:57:30] <SolarNRG> I mean what do you want in a car?
[18:57:53] <SolarNRG> Is it for city use, country road, motorway, mountain, offroad, warfare?
[18:58:12] <tiwake> SolarNRG: no... I just want a car that isnt dumb, as far as I know you cant buy such a thing new anymore... by dumb I mean the computer system, engines not designed to be fixed, difficult to get to oil filters, transmission that is underbuilt... etc. etc.
[18:58:33] <malcom2073> tiwake: Buy any car over $100k and you get all that fwiw
[18:58:42] <tiwake> thats not new though XD
[18:58:49] <tiwake> but yeah
[18:59:04] <malcom2073> Not new?
[18:59:16] <tiwake> oh, dollars, not miles
[18:59:19] <malcom2073> yeah
[18:59:19] <tiwake> misread
[18:59:23] <SolarNRG> tiwake, I see so basically you want a car that doesn't have planned obselecense, isn't hackable and is easily maintainable, might I suggest you buy yourself a vintage British Triumph 1960s era motor?
[18:59:32] <Wolf_> tesla, no oil filters
[18:59:55] <DaViruz> SolarNRG: that'd work since he didn't specify "doesn't leak oil"!
[19:00:36] <SolarNRG> DaViruz, no reason you can't empty out the fluids, weld up/braze the cracks in the metal, attach new automotive vaccum hoses and clamps onto
[19:00:40] <SolarNRG> then refill
[19:00:50] <tiwake> malcom2073: and yeah, I havent looked at such options either... its still a good thought experiment to keep the brain working, regardless if I do it or not
[19:01:10] <XXCoder> tiwake: just go batman and have jet in back lol
[19:01:35] <tiwake> XXCoder: thats one kind of engine I've made before... rocket engine..
[19:01:41] <DaViruz> designing a car is not a very trivial task. you run in to a lot of problems of things being in the way of other things, things wearing more then you expected etc
[19:01:52] <SolarNRG> A jet in the back isn't a brilliant suggestion for inner city use, I expect it would end up with a lot of shouting, arm waving, insurance payouts, police flashy lights etc.
[19:01:55] <DaViruz> i doubt many people could improve on a decent production car
[19:02:43] <SolarNRG> DaViruz, I expect if you're happy enough making a car that's not as good as what you can buy, open source 3d modelling could allow you to make your own car, in fact there's no reason for you to not use existing parts, 3d scan them and incorporate them into your model
[19:03:14] <SolarNRG> however teams of technicians have ingeniously found ways to compact so much stuff under that hood in ways you probably wouldn't have dreamed of in decades
[19:03:30] <tiwake> thats the problem though
[19:03:41] <SolarNRG> I mean even engineering a 1907 car from scratch would be a work of genius in your own garage
[19:03:42] <tiwake> compacting everything in so you cant really work on it
[19:03:42] <malcom2073> Personally I just purchased an older (80's) car, rebuilt the engine to my spec, and built my own fuel injection system
[19:03:46] <SolarNRG> no brakes
[19:03:48] <SolarNRG> 1 gear
[19:03:51] <SolarNRG> no seatbelt
[19:03:54] <SolarNRG> no airbags
[19:03:55] <SolarNRG> no radio
[19:03:57] <SolarNRG> no a/c
[19:04:16] <SolarNRG> crank to start
[19:04:30] <SolarNRG> 20mph top speed
[19:04:59] <tiwake> heh, I'm not planning on building my own engine :P
[19:05:05] <SolarNRG> tiwake, yeah, so you might want to think about designing your car with a longer bonet, but then you'd have issues with a shift in the center of gravity
[19:06:03] <SolarNRG> these car companies have spent billions and billions over the last hundred years designing cars
[19:06:12] <Wolf_> tube chassis and twist lock all the body panels on
[19:06:17] <malcom2073> Building or designing?
[19:06:29] <SolarNRG> both
[19:06:33] <malcom2073> Wolf_: I've driven a vehicle like that, rattled like hell :P
[19:06:40] <SolarNRG> but think about how many prototypes went in the bin from 1907 until now
[19:06:47] <malcom2073> Sorry, my question was for tiwake
[19:06:56] <tiwake> heh
[19:06:58] <SolarNRG> how many thousands of crash dumies paid the ultimate price?
[19:07:37] <SolarNRG> I accept the car manufacturers don't want you to have a car that would last forever
[19:07:48] <tiwake> malcom2073: both really... design as I go... but its just a thought experiment at the moment
[19:08:05] <malcom2073> I thought you weren'tbuilding your own engine?
[19:08:05] <SolarNRG> I accept that because of design over-complication it has given jobs to trained mechanics and people who train the mechanics
[19:08:18] <Wolf_> ha
[19:08:23] <tiwake> correct, I dont want to build or design my own engine :P
[19:08:34] <SolarNRG> I also accept that because of concerns over competitive automotive companies they are somewhat secretive in some of their design detail
[19:08:42] <SolarNRG> tiwake, what engine would you like to use?
[19:08:48] <Wolf_> most car dealer “mechanics” don’t know shit, just parts swappers now
[19:08:54] <SolarNRG> going electric, forklift motor is cheap and easy
[19:09:12] <SolarNRG> want performance, IDK a toyota supra mk4 j2x will set u back about 5 grand
[19:09:14] <tiwake> SolarNRG: donno... maybe.. or maybe something like this http://freedom-motors.com/
[19:09:19] <tiwake> or who knows
[19:09:57] <SolarNRG> 17hp for a car, you got to be kidding me
[19:10:05] <SolarNRG> a scooter maybe
[19:10:39] <DaViruz> they have up to 130hp it seems
[19:10:46] <tiwake> and they stack nicely
[19:10:47] <SolarNRG> also 150hp
[19:10:51] <SolarNRG> but still.. come on
[19:37:42] <SolarNRG> If Ted Cruz gets it, he'd let all the cubans in
[19:37:45] <MacGalempsy> looks like the last time the VP threw the deciding vote was Walter Mondale, during the Jimmy Carter admin
[19:38:09] <XXCoder> truther?
[19:38:24] <MacGalempsy> truther? as in Obama is not a citizen?
[19:38:29] <jdh> carson is a nutcase
[19:38:35] <SolarNRG> Yeah Jeff Boss said if he became president he'd do a criminal investigation into 9/11 free from politics
[19:38:54] <malcom2073> Free from politics he doesn't agree with
[19:38:54] <malcom2073> *
[19:39:00] <XXCoder> honestly? I think we need to move on
[19:39:00] <MacGalempsy> SolarNRG: they have the criminal investigation, but they wont let it out
[19:39:05] <SolarNRG> Carson's bent on untying the military dogs on the world, mandated vaccines for all, scrapping nuremberg laws, prosecuting whistleblowers
[19:39:07] <MacGalempsy> those fucking saudi bastards
[19:39:30] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073: you got a point there
[19:39:58] <SolarNRG> BBC never got prosecuted for having advanced knowledge of wtc7 coming down, it's been used as a successful court defence under section 13 of the terrorism act against tv licensing in Britain, funding terrorist organisations
[19:40:26] <SolarNRG> Anyway, Jeff Boss has less chance of becoming president than Rand Paul does
[19:40:44] <XXCoder> bernie seem to gaining follewers very fast
[19:40:48] <SolarNRG> And they'll never let Paul become president because of his dad's anti-israeli views and his demands to audit the fed
[19:40:55] <XXCoder> usually people whos sick of poticitical bullshit
[19:41:32] <MacGalempsy> not just that, but the last time a president got involved with taking down the fed, he was assassinated (JKF)
[19:41:37] <SolarNRG> Bernie sanders has voted towards a lot of contraversial bills in the house towards wars in iraq, intervention in kosovo, war with afghanistan, voted to pass the patriot act
[19:41:58] <MacGalempsy> the problem with bernie is he wants the budget to be like 17trillion dollars
[19:41:59] <SolarNRG> MacGalempsy, also Andrew Jackson tried the same with the 2nd bank of America
[19:42:17] <MacGalempsy> but the FED was not established until FDR
[19:42:26] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: yeah nobody is perfect, I just want best possible. still uncertain on that aspect
[19:42:36] <XXCoder> clinton is certainly getting so much corp input
[19:42:40] <MacGalempsy> another communist
[19:42:43] <XXCoder> koch brother gets fingers everywhere
[19:42:45] <SolarNRG> clinton's on bilderberg's payroll
[19:42:54] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: socialism !=communist
[19:43:05] <XXCoder> those is two quite different things
[19:43:05] <SolarNRG> I'm anti statist
[19:43:11] <SolarNRG> Why can't we vote for "none of the above"
[19:43:13] <MacGalempsy> that is what the democratic party is today, communist
[19:43:14] <SolarNRG> let's have anarchy
[19:43:24] <SolarNRG> Your 2nd ammendment is your best defence
[19:43:27] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: I want one who dont already bent over and waiting for Koch penis
[19:43:48] <MacGalempsy> communism is just extreme socialism
[19:43:54] <SolarNRG> its extreme statism
[19:44:10] <SolarNRG> its consolidation of power to a small group of individuals answerable to nobody
[19:44:30] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism
[19:44:35] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: correct yet wrong. you dont define word by certain tiny type by end of type.
[19:44:45] <XXCoder> for example not all muslims are terrorists
[19:45:00] <XXCoder> in fact, MOST muslims are not terrorists.
[19:45:01] <MacGalempsy> they arent?
[19:45:07] <MacGalempsy> who says?
[19:45:08] <XXCoder> 99% are not.
[19:45:11] <SolarNRG> hang on the bankers TRIED to assassinate Jackson, but failed in 1835 my bad
[19:45:34] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: there is extremeists in everything
[19:45:36] <SolarNRG> not all christians are terrorists either
[19:45:42] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: indeed
[19:45:48] <XXCoder> yet there is christian terrorists
[19:45:55] <SolarNRG> tarring everyone with the same brush is a very bad thing to do
[19:45:56] <MacGalempsy> i didnt know christians were dubbed as terrorists
[19:46:10] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: you seem to follow all or none viewpoint.
[19:46:16] <SolarNRG> and there are jewish terrorists, but just because netanyahu is a war criminal doesn't make all jews his accomplices
[19:47:14] <SolarNRG> MacGalempsy, no in the case of Holmes, evidently not they get labelled "mental health patient"
[19:47:38] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: its always the case christian terrorist "is not really a true christian"
[19:47:59] <jdh> like most of the republican congress?
[19:48:10] <XXCoder> I have seen that that no true scotman logical fallacy thrown to my face so many times.
[19:49:06] <SolarNRG> As much as I disagree with Ben Carson on his stance on mandatory vaccination and his ties with big pharma, I do agree with him on one thing, what makes us human isn't skin deep
[19:49:18] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: nice article!
[19:49:33] <XXCoder> "big phrama" lol
[19:49:37] <jdh> do you disagree with his stance on evolution?
[19:49:50] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: its far far far more profitable to ban vaccines.
[19:49:59] <SolarNRG> how so?
[19:50:16] <XXCoder> it takes many thousands dollars to cure diease. vaccines cost little.
[19:50:23] <XXCoder> certainly not even one thousand.
[19:50:55] <MacGalempsy> holmes did not state he was killing in the name of Jesus, did he?
[19:51:02] <XXCoder> in many casesm, not even $100
[19:51:15] <SpeedEvil> http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f2032
[19:51:35] <SpeedEvil> Genital warts in young Australians five years into national human papillomavirus vaccination programme: national surveillance data
[19:51:53] <SolarNRG> Hi Speedevil, how are your paychecks?
[19:52:01] <cradek> XXCoder: huh, I always assumed anti-vaccine people were that way because they are irrationally fearful and ignorant of science, but you may be right - they might be evil.
[19:52:01] <SolarNRG> how's the wife and kids they ok?
[19:52:20] <SolarNRG> A picture says a thousand words don;t take it too seriously: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eXJKXomEfbM/VWfMnYh2soI/AAAAAAAAGus/-9dbsG6k030/s1600/Infographic-The-Vaccine-Racket-1280.jpg
[19:52:21] <XXCoder> cradek: few probably are, most youre correct on your assumation
[19:52:23] <SpeedEvil> I do not have a wife or children as far as I know.
[19:52:41] <XXCoder> natural news lol
[19:52:45] <SolarNRG> SpeedEvil, shame, the human race needs more intelligent people
[19:53:17] <XXCoder> the whole antivaccine thing started by one really evil guys attempt to shift vaccines to his "safer" vaccines
[19:53:20] <SpeedEvil> 'don't take it too seriously' = shoot in the head anyone that does
[19:53:34] <XXCoder> may him suffer thousand dieases babies die from thanks to him.
[19:53:50] <SpeedEvil> Actual research involving hundreds of thousands of children has found no effect.
[19:54:11] <DaViruz> whats upp with conspiracy theorists and graphs like that
[19:54:22] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: yeah if you ever ate a peach you ate far more "toxic" chemicals than you ever got from all vaccines total.
[19:54:38] <SolarNRG> Well as a boy I got vaccinated, I got autism, I didn't vaccinate my child she didn't get autism, the amish have never vaccinated they don't get autism say what you want but I'm convinced beyond reasonable doubt from a lifetime of hell and I wouldn't wish what I have got on anybody else
[19:54:38] <XXCoder> its always dose that dermine toxicity, not chemical
[19:54:57] <malcom2073> The amish get autism, they just shun and push those people out
[19:55:02] <malcom2073> so they're not amish anymore, statistic preserved!
[19:55:07] <SolarNRG> seriously?
[19:55:12] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: you has it because you has it. nothing to do with vacccines
[19:55:12] <SolarNRG> how biggoted
[19:55:31] <SolarNRG> XXCoder, so if it's not vaccine generated and it's genetic how come my daughter doesn't have it?
[19:55:42] <SolarNRG> Are you calling me a liar?
[19:55:42] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19302947
[19:55:50] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: I didn't get full range of vaccine, and I has very high functioning austic
[19:55:55] <malcom2073> Correlation is not causation
[19:55:58] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: no. just mistaken
[19:56:00] <SpeedEvil> SolarNRG: we don't have to call you a liar to belive you're an idiot
[19:56:02] <SpeedEvil> Gene associated with seizures, autism, and hepatomegaly in an Amish girl.
[19:56:13] <DaViruz> well i ate an apple yesterday, and today i broke my ankle. say what you want..
[19:56:27] <DaViruz> a single case is entirely useless for statistics
[19:56:29] <malcom2073> I ate a sammich this morning, I had a good day. My friend didn't and had a bad day, sandwiches make all days good
[19:56:37] <XXCoder> and like malcom2073 said, correlation is not causation
[19:57:06] <SolarNRG> I prefer the term "special needs" over idiot
[19:57:21] <XXCoder> heh I'm an idiot sometimes
[19:57:23] <SpeedEvil> SolarNRG: Idiot is not a reflection on your medical condition.
[19:57:28] <XXCoder> everyone gets hit with idiot stick sometimes.
[19:57:39] <malcom2073> Idiot means you disagree with others
[19:57:44] <SpeedEvil> SolarNRG: It is intentionally ignoring evidence.
[19:58:08] <SpeedEvil> Why does your personal experience with n=3 beat a study with n=300000
[19:58:17] <XXCoder> Honestly I rather belive peer-reviewed research than someone says so stuff.
[19:58:23] <SolarNRG> Actually it is, because I have a diagnosed disability which makes it more difficult to process verbal instructions and the social interaction with others, disregarding peopel who suffer from ASD as idiots is highly offensive and discriminatory against persons with disabilities
[19:58:33] <XXCoder> coupel peer-reviewed research beats billion say sos.
[19:59:00] <SpeedEvil> SolarNRG: I am not disregarding people with ASD as a group, just you.
[19:59:24] <SolarNRG> there are 9 peer reviewed journals indicating the harmful effects of vaccines all have been fiercly attacked not by science but by a media smear campaign
[19:59:48] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: all by discredited scientist, may he die
[20:00:12] <SpeedEvil> SolarNRG: And how many peer reviewd journals the other way?
[20:00:21] <SpeedEvil> ^articles
[20:00:27] <SolarNRG> Wrong, only 1 of those was by andrew wakefield and even then in 2004 a CDC whistleblower admitted they knowingly destroyed evidence showing a strong correlation between vaccines and autism
[20:00:32] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: you said big prama? he WAS one of them. he wanted people to stop vaccines so he makes billions on HIS vaccines
[20:00:56] <XXCoder> but like all things hate based, it went out of his control
[20:01:28] <XXCoder> thanks to him, people are dying of dieases that was almost exinact
[20:01:28] <SolarNRG> Now tell me about the list of vaccine ingredients, aluminium hydroxide, formaldehyde, thimerasol aka ethyl-mercury, the MSDS is credible and lists all of those substances as TOXIC, not harmful but TOXIC
[20:01:39] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: again, dosage!
[20:01:44] <XXCoder> I already told you about that
[20:02:16] <XXCoder> http://www.mothering.com/photopost/data/475592/c/cb/cb106a20_734524_482647835138564_1710798130_n-1.jpeg
[20:02:34] <XXCoder> I bet you ate in least one pear.
[20:02:42] <XXCoder> I know I did eat a few.
[20:02:48] <SolarNRG> The nuremberg trials clearly set an international standard "performing medical procedures without the informed consent of the individual" was a crime against humanity and those who authorized that decision in Nazi Germany were all sentenced to death by hanging
[20:03:00] <XXCoder> well we ate 100s of vaccines worth of formaldhyde, SolarNRG.
[20:03:15] <SolarNRG> Actually I'm not fond of pears funnily enough
[20:03:18] <os1r1s> SolarNRG: Article about the Amish ... http://jezebel.com/dammit-stop-using-the-amish-as-an-excuse-not-to-vaccin-1677743588
[20:03:27] <jdh> me either, too much formaldhyde
[20:03:29] * SpeedEvil wonders about vacuum furnaces.
[20:03:41] <DaViruz> SolarNRG: what about the informed consent?
[20:03:45] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: sure but ya know, you ate it in something in least.
[20:03:51] <XXCoder> so.
[20:03:54] <XXCoder> yeah dosage man.
[20:04:01] <XXCoder> you can die from oxygen.
[20:04:09] <XXCoder> you can die by water. not by drowning.
[20:04:12] <XXCoder> dosage!
[20:04:28] <SolarNRG> I haven't the energy to continue this discussion, nothing you can say will make me inject those poisons into my child EVER.
[20:04:46] <malcom2073> Heh
[20:04:48] <XXCoder> too bad. his child is in risk.
[20:04:49] <jdh> evil?
[20:04:50] <malcom2073> Fortunatly, he doesn't live anywhere near me
[20:04:59] <XXCoder> worse? his child is danger to others.
[20:05:21] <XXCoder> he dont seem to understand what dosage means.
[20:05:31] <malcom2073> Most anti vaxxers don't
[20:05:42] <SpeedEvil> DaViruz: I will ensure everyone I put in my vacuum furnace consents.
[20:06:18] <XXCoder> malcom2073: one of most toxic stuff is that specific snake (forgot name). it contains poison enough to kill 20 strong men with just drop
[20:06:34] <XXCoder> yet if you dulute it enough you can surive it.
[20:06:42] <DaViruz> SpeedEvil: i'm not even sure what he was getting at
[20:06:44] <XXCoder> dosage again wow/
[20:07:17] <Wolf_> too much DHMO can kill…
[20:07:17] <DaViruz> could he really be meaning that i disagreed with ANY madical procedures on childs not old enough to consent?
[20:07:25] <XXCoder> Wolf_: its found in all cancers too
[20:07:26] <DaViruz> s/i/he/
[20:07:32] <DaViruz> ..medical
[20:07:34] <DaViruz> too late
[20:07:37] <XXCoder> all rivers, all rain
[20:07:50] <XXCoder> all water has DHMO. cant be seperated.
[20:08:20] * Wolf_ will totally blame vaxxes for his brain function…
[20:08:47] <Topy44> anyone around with a misumi account?
[20:09:00] <Topy44> need to know the price of an item...
[20:09:07] <malcom2073> You can find a price without an account
[20:09:14] <malcom2073> Click "get price", it'll give you a prices without login
[20:09:28] * XXCoder wonders if solarNRG tries to live chemical free. Which is perfectly impossble.
[20:12:15] <Topy44> malcom2073: huh... can't find a "get price" link anywhere
[20:12:24] <malcom2073> Topy44: Link to the page you're looking at?
[20:12:58] <Topy44> oh, nvm, just found it
[20:16:11] <MacGalempsy> well, I was hoping to avoid replacing this endstop, but no choice....
[20:16:39] <Topy44> oh, nvm, just found it
[20:19:05] <SpeedEvil> http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/broken-booms-why-is-it-so-hard-to-develop-procure-a-1698725648 - CNC vs manual
[20:23:21] <MacGalempsy> anyone know the techincal term for a double dial indicator stand to make sure the spindle nose is aligned right?
[20:28:00] <CaptHindsight> like dis http://www.ajaxtoolsupply.com/spipanu91dri.html ?
[20:30:34] <Wolf_> tramming fixture ?
[20:30:45] <CaptHindsight> http://spindlesquare.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/spindlesquare3.jpg
[20:31:18] <renesis> haha
[20:31:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/Starrett/649_Spindle_Square/143592/0
[20:31:42] <MacGalempsy> thats the one
[20:31:57] <renesis> beats figuring out which test indicator adapter to use
[20:32:06] <CaptHindsight> or do you mean a double barrel dial indicator? :)
[20:32:09] <jdh> http://www.edgetechnologyproducts.com/pro-tram-system/
[20:32:46] <renesis> you know they aint fuckin around when they use red anodized aluminum
[20:32:54] <renesis> er, or maybe thats just rack mounted audio
[20:33:06] <jdh> looks good. that's at least hafl
[20:33:39] <renesis> theyre only .001?
[20:34:02] <Wolf_> I just use a bent rod and a DTI...
[20:34:03] <jdh> they have a half one
[20:34:10] <MacGalempsy> renesis: that is what I was just going to say
[20:34:20] <CaptHindsight> starrett doesn't even anodize theirs
[20:34:36] <renesis> starret knows theyre not in the rack mounted audio trash business
[20:34:57] <MacGalempsy> even the startett is .001
[20:35:09] <jdh> why do you need more than a thou?
[20:35:33] <MacGalempsy> well, if the machine accuracy is 0.0001 then you would be off
[20:35:33] <jdh> a half or even a 10th wouldn't be any more accurate
[20:35:34] <Wolf_> why do you need 2 dials?
[20:35:51] <renesis> i usually use cheap test dials, on an arm with wider radius, and theyre theyre like .00025 i think
[20:35:55] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: to assure the spindle is square
[20:35:57] <CaptHindsight> yeah, it's impossible to mill any flatter than that with a spindle mill
[20:36:09] <renesis> wolf_: when you use an indicator to tram, you swing around to the other side and make sure theyre equal
[20:36:13] <Wolf_> one dial on a arm can do that…
[20:36:16] <jdh> doesn't matter. you zero them to a mark.
[20:36:24] <renesis> wolf_: right, this is faster
[20:36:27] <MacGalempsy> I have a last word, I guess that would work
[20:36:33] <renesis> wolf_: and why my first reaction was 'haha'
[20:36:35] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: but then you can't see both points at the same time
[20:37:00] <CaptHindsight> you have to remember the reading or write it down
[20:37:03] <Wolf_> I use my 196 on a arm
[20:37:17] <Wolf_> 0 the bezel on one side, swing
[20:37:30] <renesis> capthindsight: ive never used an indicator that didnt have a rotating face to zero it
[20:37:47] <CaptHindsight> sounds like a lot of work :)
[20:37:52] <renesis> !?
[20:38:19] <renesis> swing to one side, rotate bezel, swing to other side, check reading is a lot of work?
[20:38:21] <CaptHindsight> rotating, looking at the 0, rotating etc etc
[20:38:24] <Wolf_> plus with the arm setup you can check tilt and nod both
[20:38:35] <MacGalempsy> renesis: you never used a digital indicator?
[20:38:45] <jdh> sounds like another vaccine argument, give it up.
[20:38:47] <renesis> you cant zero those?
[20:38:53] <renesis> or youre just being crazy literal
[20:38:59] <renesis> about rotating things
[20:39:35] <renesis> and linear indicator, yes, test indicator, no, and yeah i dont rotate those so sorry, i lied
[20:39:44] * Wolf_ will skip the big ass bar with two $20 Di in it
[20:39:54] <renesis> ikr
[20:40:02] <renesis> oh shit its only $99\
[20:40:21] <CaptHindsight> rotating, spinning. All are causes for dizziness
[20:40:46] <renesis> have you ever seen vid of people doing gas planes on cables for speed?
[20:41:18] <renesis> control line model planes
[20:41:23] <renesis> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vAw1CC4A3g
[20:41:30] <renesis> max dizzy ^
[20:45:12] <CaptHindsight> I always thought those spindle squares were for measuring at 2 points at once to save time
[20:46:48] <MacGalempsy> I think that is the idea
[20:47:14] <MacGalempsy> but one of the images showed them matching an angle when tilting the head on a bridgeport
[20:53:38] <XXCoder> renesis: wow
[20:54:14] <renesis> xxcoder: i didnt even know wtf was going on first time i saw the vid, was all very confusing
[20:56:51] <furrywolf> just took a look at a vehicle someone asked me to fix... first observation: air cleaner rusted out, contains rat net. remove rat nest... second observation: carb barrels are filled with water level with the top of the carb.
[20:57:06] <furrywolf> told him it's not getting fixed today.
[20:57:07] <XXCoder> whoa
[20:57:11] <XXCoder> thats crazy furrywolf
[20:58:28] <furrywolf> question is whether the intake is filled with water, or the butterflies sealed well enough (care of all the dirt they're packed with) to keep the water on top of them.
[20:58:53] <furrywolf> "ran when parked"... in 2000.
[20:59:12] <XXCoder> whats 15 years between friends.
[20:59:28] <Wolf_> remove sparkplugs to drain
[20:59:40] <XXCoder> if it is removable at all
[21:00:03] <furrywolf> Wolf_: yep. and crank over carefully.
[21:00:10] <furrywolf> with a biiiig breaker bar.
[21:01:01] <Wolf_> I need a pic of the connecting rod out of my explorer… from when I found out that the intake was below the headlight behind the bumper...
[21:01:41] <furrywolf> heh
[21:02:51] <furrywolf> get a snorkel for your next vehicle. :)
[21:06:22] <furrywolf> I was offroading with someone in their pathfinder when his snorkel sure earned its keep... we were heading back and took a slightly different path through some puddles... and found out this part was a good bit deeper, given as we drove through it with water washing around the bottom of the windshield.
[21:07:15] <XXCoder> lol
[21:12:08] <XXCoder> my van just dont like weather here
[21:12:10] <XXCoder> rough idle
[21:12:20] <XXCoder> definite speed boost after idling too
[21:12:26] <XXCoder> sometimes misfires now
[21:12:28] <XXCoder> fun
[21:13:39] <LatheBuilder2> carbureted?
[21:14:02] <XXCoder> fuel injected 1996 nissan quest
[21:14:20] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> time to sell it and buy a subaru.
[21:14:46] <XXCoder> thats to who
[21:15:00] <furrywolf> <XXCoder> my van just dont like weather here
[21:15:13] <XXCoder> was that last you saw I say something>?
[21:15:40] <furrywolf> yes
[21:16:21] <LatheBuilder2> i saw the rest of your comments XXCoder.
[21:16:38] <XXCoder> LatheBuilder2: I know. I was asking fur :)
[21:17:05] <XXCoder> fur, idle is getting worse with sometimes misfires. it actually had knock code for first time, and now 3 times total since
[21:17:16] <XXCoder> and now definite speed boost after idling for a bit
[21:17:25] <XXCoder> not as bad as it used to be before few fixes.
[21:18:56] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> <furrywolf> time to sell it and buy a subaru.
[21:18:57] <furrywolf> :P
[21:21:14] <XXCoder> lol
[21:21:54] <furrywolf> zeeshan: get a real internet connection! I bet you can't even watch youtube on that thing.
[21:24:44] <rootB_i> hey linuxCNC
[21:24:52] <rootB_i> if i give you the dimension of a part
[21:24:56] <rootB_i> can you make it hard coated and all of that?
[21:25:09] <XXCoder> hard-coated dimension
[21:25:22] <XXCoder> dunno its hard to hardcoat an abstract idea ;)
[21:26:14] <furrywolf> ... huh?
[21:26:20] <rootB_i> http://openbuildspartstore.com/openrail-linear-rail/
[21:26:20] <rootB_i> http://openbuildspartstore.com/openrail-linear-rail/
[21:26:27] <rootB_i> The Type III Hard Coat version of OpenRail has been discontinued.
[21:26:29] <rootB_i> that's the one i need
[21:26:30] <enleth> IT'S ALIVE: https://hackerspace.pl/~enleth/20150927_034400.mp4
[21:26:48] <enleth> the frankenstein reference is relevant in more than one way.
[21:27:28] <XXCoder> enleth: get a tripod
[21:27:36] <Wolf_> I think you need a bigger vice :P
[21:28:20] <enleth> eh, it's fine for small work
[21:28:23] <rootB_i> so could anyone makem ethat part?
[21:28:27] <rootB_i> i'll obviously pay
[21:28:49] <furrywolf> grrrr, why the fuck is that https? mplayer doesn't do https, so I'd need to actually download it first.
[21:28:59] <furrywolf> does it contain security-sensitive information?
[21:29:23] <furrywolf> and it doesn't work if you remove the s, it redirects you back to the https url!
[21:29:23] <enleth> furrywolf: delete s from URL
[21:29:25] <XXCoder> whew had to take size WAAY down to postage stamp in order to be able to watch it
[21:29:33] <jdh> out of curiostiy, why do you need only the hard-coated one?
[21:29:40] <Wolf_> rootB_i: why do you need hard coated?
[21:29:40] <enleth> it doesn't? huh.
[21:29:51] <rootB_i> Wolf_, to add metal v-wheels to my desktop CNC
[21:29:54] <furrywolf> Unsupported http 301 redirect to https protocol
[21:29:55] <furrywolf> :P
[21:29:58] <rootB_i> instead of delrin ones that wear out
[21:30:19] <furrywolf> 103MB?! fuck that.
[21:30:46] <jdh> why not the standard black anodized one?
[21:31:15] <rootB_i> it will wear out with the metal v-wheels
[21:31:46] <enleth> furrywolf: sorry, uploaded straigh from the phone during the taxi ride back home, a few minutes after recording the cut
[21:32:07] <enleth> it's 4 in the morning here
[21:32:50] <enleth> I'll upload it to YT or something when I get some sleep
[21:32:53] <XXCoder> furrywolf: I wonder if you can get unlimited data pohone and teather it for faster internet access
[21:33:09] <XXCoder> or in least for more demending stuff. there is pretty cheap ones.
[21:34:07] <furrywolf> there is no such thing as unlimited data.
[21:34:36] <furrywolf> there's only unlimited* data.
[21:34:42] <XXCoder> http://www.whistleout.com/CellPhones/Carriers/GIV-mobile/Personal/GIV-Mobile-the25?phoneprice=Contract&contract=0
[21:35:21] <XXCoder> limited to 2g but your isp seems worse than that.
[21:36:17] <furrywolf> ... 2G? lol
[21:36:27] <XXCoder> https://www.givmobile.com/plans/?gclid=COau1fCHrcICFcZbfgodiV4AMg
[21:36:32] <XXCoder> theres 4g for not much more
[21:36:35] <enleth> anyway, the bport made the first cut after it got delivered to me, which was on 26th of June
[21:36:44] <furrywolf> also, I don't do contracts. any attempt to get someone to sign a contract for a cellphone is a crooked business practice.
[21:36:48] <XXCoder> its actually cheaper than my no limit deaf plan!
[21:37:03] <furrywolf> changing phones won't magically make towers appear for them to talk to.
[21:37:17] <XXCoder> thankfully PLENTY towers here
[21:37:38] <enleth> XXCoder: I do have a tripod, I just couldn't be arsed to set it up
[21:37:57] <XXCoder> enleth: yeah can tell. you was... very animated lol
[21:38:17] <XXCoder> I had to strunk video to tiny one AND lean back to make it watchable
[21:38:45] <enleth> besides, it would be hard to get everything in the frame and get the details without several takes and some splicing
[21:38:45] <zeeshan-mill> hm
[21:38:48] <enleth> I can do that later
[21:38:50] <zeeshan-mill> wtf is my upstairs comp disconnecting for
[21:39:04] <furrywolf> zeeshan: get a real internet connection! I bet you can't even watch youtube on that thing.
[21:39:05] <zeeshan-mill> i think i need to reset my router
[21:39:06] <XXCoder> its tired of you zeeshan-mill ;)
[21:39:16] <enleth> as I said, that was recorded 2 minutes before going back home and uploaded it in the taxi
[21:39:18] <zeeshan-mill> man i got this one wood piece
[21:39:20] <jdh> and your trailing prepositions
[21:39:21] <zeeshan-mill> its dusty as hell
[21:39:24] <zeeshan-mill> the others werent like this
[21:39:25] <zeeshan-mill> odd.
[21:39:33] <XXCoder> bad composition?
[21:39:39] <enleth> jdh: what's wrong with those?
[21:39:40] <furrywolf> inadequately penetrated by the resin.
[21:39:49] <zeeshan-mill> nahh
[21:39:57] <zeeshan-mill> i think they didnt use arylic for t
[21:40:00] <zeeshan-mill> for it
[21:40:02] <zeeshan-mill> theres no plastic in it
[21:40:18] <furrywolf> that would be very inadaquate, wouldn't it? :P
[21:41:35] <XXCoder> its probabloy counted as scrap
[21:42:30] <furrywolf> meh. I'm completely exhausted and it's only a little after 7.
[21:44:40] <zeeshan-mill> the only thing im looking forward to
[21:44:43] <zeeshan-mill> is the double pay cheque
[21:44:49] <zeeshan-mill> so sick of this wood crap
[21:45:13] <zeeshan-mill> i need to stop doing production jobs
[21:45:59] <XXCoder> what do you want to work on>
[21:46:22] <furrywolf> yes, what a good idea, don't do the jobs that bring in lots of money. :P
[21:46:24] <zeeshan-mill> my own stuff
[21:46:34] <zeeshan-mill> production jobs do not bring in a lot of money
[21:46:40] <zeeshan-mill> well they do
[21:46:46] <zeeshan-mill> but its too stressful
[21:46:54] <zeeshan-mill> i rather take a cut and do prototypes
[21:47:19] <enleth> I think I could see some wobble on the end mill -I wonder, is it more likely that the ISO30 taper in my spindle is so fucked, or the chinese ER16 chuck/collet is such a piece of crap.
[21:47:29] <zeeshan-mill> i like designing
[21:47:35] <zeeshan-mill> machining is ok for one offs
[21:47:37] <zeeshan-mill> hate it for production.
[21:47:42] * furrywolf likes money
[21:48:32] <furrywolf> I'd love a job like your lumps, if I had the machine and software to do it.
[21:48:50] <furrywolf> I'd make more per lump than two days of my day job...
[21:48:58] <enleth> zeeshan-mill: does it make difference if you're machining production stuff that you designed for the customer, as opposed to machining stuff designed by the customer?
[21:49:43] <zeeshan-mill> ofcourse
[21:49:50] <zeeshan-mill> i get paid engineering rates
[21:49:53] <zeeshan-mill> when designing
[21:50:05] <zeeshan-mill> machining rates are less
[21:50:17] <zeeshan-mill> (mine are at least)
[21:50:30] <furrywolf> I'd quit my job instantly if I could make lumps all day at that pay!
[21:51:14] <MacGalempsy> hey zeeshan-mill
[21:51:33] <MacGalempsy> have you got any updates on the mill series?
[21:51:38] <XXCoder> I need an engineer but I dont have enough money lol
[21:52:46] <furrywolf> $150/each is such stupidly good pay that I'd quite my job for that even if I only made one a day!
[21:53:06] <XXCoder> wow that is good indeed
[21:53:12] <MacGalempsy> I think my best day working holiday and mad overtime is like 5k
[21:53:29] <XXCoder> zeeshan-mill: let me know if you need someone making em lol
[21:53:48] <XXCoder> minium one a day lol like fur says
[21:54:08] <zeeshan-mill> MacGalempsy, mill series?
[21:54:13] <XXCoder> doubt demend will keep up forever lol
[21:54:24] <zeeshan-mill> oh
[21:54:28] <furrywolf> 5k is more than a quarter of my anual income.
[21:54:31] <zeeshan-mill> i will in a day or two Mac
[21:54:38] <zeeshan-mill> furrywolf, thats your fault
[21:54:39] <zeeshan-mill> :P
[21:54:43] <zeeshan-mill> dont complain!
[21:55:45] <MacGalempsy> furrywolf: then you would shit bricks on a $40k month huh?
[21:55:53] <furrywolf> if I could do that lump job, I'd take it instantly and not bitch about it. lol
[21:56:13] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan-mill: I really liked the first one you did because we were talking about fixture offsets in class that day
[21:56:18] <XXCoder> I would be happy to do so too lol
[21:56:34] <XXCoder> I do like wood more than hard metal.
[21:56:37] <XXCoder> alum is great too.
[21:56:41] <zeeshan-mill> furrywolf, you gotta understand
[21:56:43] <zeeshan-mill> im working a full time job
[21:56:46] <zeeshan-mill> and doing this
[21:56:52] <MacGalempsy> so the real question is...how to make $50k in one day
[21:56:52] <zeeshan-mill> the guy im dealing with is really picky
[21:56:53] <zeeshan-mill> its annoying.
[21:57:00] <zeeshan-mill> but lately hes been better
[21:57:02] <zeeshan-mill> and understanding
[21:57:02] <MacGalempsy> all I could think of was selling stuff
[21:57:23] <enleth> One weird thing I have in mind that also gets $150 a piece is a pattern stamping roller for leatherworking. It's a steel cylinder with some celtic/viking/germanic/whatever carvings milled. Wet leather is rolled between that and a smooth cylinder to emboss it with the pattern. Saves hours of manual work when making styled belts or something.
[21:57:47] * MacGalempsy sells furrywolf's body, but only gets $1
[21:57:58] <MacGalempsy> not going to get rich that way
[21:58:59] <zeeshan-mill> i think im mostly whining and complaining
[21:59:03] <zeeshan-mill> because i dont have an atc for my mill
[21:59:08] <zeeshan-mill> after the lathe retrofit
[21:59:13] <zeeshan-mill> i will definitely make something
[21:59:42] <furrywolf> I'd sit there and change tools all day for that pay.
[22:00:03] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan-mill: I noticed that in the vid, you should go ahead and make one
[22:00:24] <MacGalempsy> the beauty of the ATC is no paying anyone!
[22:02:15] <furrywolf> zee is complaining about pay that's so good it'd cover just about any unpleasant task.
[22:08:23] * zeeshan-mill stops complaining
[22:08:27] <zeeshan-mill> im just sick of working on it
[22:08:30] <zeeshan-mill> that is all
[22:08:36] <zeeshan-mill> its been a lot of headaches w/ this project
[22:08:45] <XXCoder> zeeshan-mill: heh I was working on trimming bar of steel for over a week
[22:08:50] <XXCoder> finally completed 2 days ago
[22:08:56] <XXCoder> 1,300 parts
[22:09:12] <XXCoder> your puny job cant touch that.
[22:09:14] <zeeshan-mill> damn
[22:09:24] <zeeshan-mill> dunno how you do it.
[22:09:42] <XXCoder> 2 days to complete splitting 300 rings
[22:09:50] <zeeshan-mill> i just know im happier doing one or two offs
[22:09:50] <XXCoder> made 600 half rings
[22:09:56] <zeeshan-mill> ill avoid production.
[22:10:26] <zeeshan-mill> its a personal perference
[22:10:44] <XXCoder> I can do boring, if I can read a ebook meanwhile
[22:10:56] <XXCoder> bar was bit rough because it barely gives me time to do so.
[22:11:02] <zeeshan-mill> what was the cycle time
[22:11:20] <XXCoder> 8 minutes but it stops in middle for me to deburr bars, then turn it around for other side
[22:11:31] <XXCoder> as well as carefully check all sizes at end
[22:11:38] <XXCoder> so yeah busy 80% of time
[22:12:29] <XXCoder> worse job I ever had was part that needs initial milling for lathes. cycle time 3 minutes, setup each part 5 minutes
[22:12:56] <XXCoder> fastest was 3 seconds runtime, 3 minutes setup per part lol
[22:13:04] <XXCoder> that one was nuts.
[22:14:40] * XXCoder is glad that 3 sec runtime was just 15 parts or would go nuts going full 10 hours on it!
[22:16:50] <XXCoder> be back
[22:17:57] <zeeshan-mill> 8 min isnt enough to read a book!
[22:18:54] <MacGalempsy> depends on the book
[22:19:14] <zeeshan-mill> hehe
[22:20:14] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan-mill: so do you think that new lathe will need to be retrofitted to lcnc?
[22:20:44] <zeeshan-mill> yes
[22:20:46] <zeeshan-mill> its oldd\
[22:21:03] <MacGalempsy> it has an ATC right?
[22:21:08] <zeeshan-mill> yes
[22:21:12] <zeeshan-mill> hell yes!!!
[22:21:14] <zeeshan-mill> :DDD
[22:21:18] <MacGalempsy> SWEET
[22:23:11] <MacGalempsy> https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/21754291171/in/dateposted-public/
[22:23:49] <MacGalempsy> this is the tool holder setup for my atc, having to modify some mill holders to get it to work
[22:25:57] <Wolf_> working on a rough idea for a airpowered drawbar for the x2 spindle with pretty much no moving parts other then the cylinder...
[22:27:31] <zeeshan-mill> cant se ethe link from this comp
[22:30:27] <MacGalempsy> oh, it is the lifting device and the tool holder
[22:36:20] <MacGalempsy> wb
[22:37:14] <PetefromTn_> Hey folks
[22:38:07] <MacGalempsy> hey PetefromTn_
[22:38:36] <PetefromTn_> Hey mac
[22:38:46] <PetefromTn_> howzitgoin
[22:43:00] <PetefromTn_> I made a trip to home depot today
[22:43:17] <PetefromTn_> finally getting around to building some aerators for the anodizing line.
[22:43:34] <PetefromTn_> got some 1/2 inch PVC pipe and a buttload of fittings and a regulator
[22:44:02] <PetefromTn_> gonna try to put together something tomorrow morning
[22:50:22] <zeeshan-mill> nice pete
[22:50:27] <zeeshan-mill> hope it gives you better results
[23:18:49] <renesis> 02:15 < zeeshan-mill> its dusty as hell
[23:19:16] <renesis> i thought wood machines just the same without the composite matrix?!
[23:19:31] <renesis> well, no i didnt think that actually
[23:23:17] <renesis> 02:46 < XXCoder> I can do boring, if I can read a ebook meanwhile
[23:23:19] <zeeshan-mill> regular wood machines almost the same
[23:23:26] <zeeshan-mill> this shit is like mdf or something retarded
[23:23:33] <zeeshan-mill> that one piece that is
[23:23:41] <renesis> xxcoder: ha, yeah thats how i feel about emergency QC on the production stuff i do at work
[23:24:15] <renesis> its fairly low stress, it kills time, and you learn a lot about inspection and test process, which feeds back into the QC procedure designs
[23:24:36] <renesis> its neat, being lazy is a great skill for QC and assembly procedure design
[23:24:50] <renesis> laziness = $$$
[23:35:47] * Tom_itx doesn't think zeeshan-mill knows what a cnc is for
[23:37:58] <zeeshan-mill> Tom_itx, curves
[23:37:59] <zeeshan-mill> duhh
[23:38:13] <zeeshan-mill> its a tool room mill
[23:38:20] <zeeshan-mill> not meant really for production
[23:40:40] <Wolf_> hmm, wonder if that would work...
[23:42:31] <zeeshan-mill> what would work
[23:43:17] <Wolf_> on the x2 head, just use the spring washers and a 3” bore 1/8” travel air cylinder
[23:43:27] <Wolf_> for the draw bar
[23:43:36] <zeeshan-mill> what type of taper?
[23:43:44] <Wolf_> r8
[23:44:07] <zeeshan-mill> you prolly wanna put around 500lb of pull on it
[23:44:21] <Wolf_> pretty much the hoss setup without the giant box
[23:46:31] <Wolf_> 3” bore cylinder will be 840lbs of force
[23:48:11] <zeeshan-mill> how are you getting 840
[23:48:18] <zeeshan-mill> are you using 120psi shop air?
[23:48:24] <Wolf_> 120psi
[23:48:27] <zeeshan-mill> ah okay
[23:48:28] <Wolf_> yeah
[23:48:51] <zeeshan-mill> should be plenty i think
[23:50:10] <Wolf_> http://www.hossmachine.info/projects_7.html#power%20drawbar but no levers or box, just the spring washers and a big ass pancake cylinder
[23:53:12] <Wolf_> lol, out of order build now, cylinder ordered off ebay and I haven’t even started the BOM for the x2 head