#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-09-24

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[00:01:47] <flyback> ve7it, BMCC
[00:04:01] <ve7it> hey Jymmm (and you as well flyback )
[00:07:37] <flyback> hi :)
[00:59:40] <Contract_Pilot> Path Pilot recovery disk 10.00USD to help band with then you guys can torrent it?
[01:02:35] <Contract_Pilot> I already have the torrent seeding! the 10.00 is if you want direct DL
[01:03:06] <Contract_Pilot> it is slow right now!
[01:03:20] <Contract_Pilot> but direct DL is ok.
[01:07:16] <Wolf_Mill> what site for the torrent?
[01:08:05] <Wolf_Mill> nm i'll check the ones i use
[01:15:25] <Connor> Contract_Pilot: You have a Tormach ?
[01:15:45] <Contract_Pilot> Nope.
[01:15:57] <MacGalempsy> man this mesa card is driving me nuts. I can run the spindle from a 9v battery, but I cant get the damn spindle to go
[01:15:59] <Connor> How did you get a copy of Path Pilot ?
[01:16:13] <MacGalempsy> its like the card wont put out the damn voltage
[01:16:31] <Connor> MacGalempsy: What card ?
[01:16:47] <MacGalempsy> 7i77
[01:16:48] <Contract_Pilot> bought it!
[01:17:07] <Connor> What are you using as a Motor driver ?
[01:17:09] <MacGalempsy> when they are talking about spindle machine units it is rps right?
[01:17:15] <Contract_Pilot> it is linux should be open source!
[01:17:16] <MacGalempsy> the vfd
[01:17:19] <Connor> Contract_Pilot: They sold it to you without a machine ?
[01:17:30] <Contract_Pilot> Yes!
[01:17:54] <Connor> Didn't think they where doing that.. only giving the source to people who own the machine.
[01:17:56] <MacGalempsy> so I take the max rpm which is 5000rpm and divide it by 60 to get an output scale of 83.33
[01:18:09] <MacGalempsy> 95% of that is 79.16
[01:18:32] <Connor> How are you controlling the VFD ?
[01:18:45] <Connor> using the 0-10v
[01:18:57] <MacGalempsy> with the -10/+10 pwm on the 7i77
[01:19:08] <Contract_Pilot> I was a lucky one
[01:19:21] <Contract_Pilot> the torrent is seeded
[01:20:23] <Connor> MacGalempsy: You doing the config by hand or using Pncconf ?
[01:20:50] <MacGalempsy> well. with PNCCONF I could get it to spin with an open-loop
[01:21:07] <MacGalempsy> put now I am trying to PID tune using the examples
[01:21:16] <Connor> Oh. That's a PITA
[01:21:20] <Contract_Pilot> Wolf Mill DCC
[01:21:47] <MacGalempsy> well. the lame part is I am trying to do it according to a few helps and it aint going
[01:21:50] <Wolf_> I’m not on that computer right now lol
[01:22:13] <Contract_Pilot> connor dcc
[01:22:21] <Connor> I got it.
[01:22:31] <Contract_Pilot> my initial seed is slow!
[01:22:33] <MacGalempsy> if anyone is using the 7i77 what are people using for an output scale in thier ini for the spindle?
[01:22:50] <MacGalempsy> well for that any spindle. what are you running for output scale?
[01:23:21] <Contract_Pilot> mac want path pilot?
[01:24:00] <Contract_Pilot> Not sure is DCC is working worked for 1 3 others no.
[01:24:30] <Contract_Pilot> Timed out to wolf_mill
[01:25:06] <Contract_Pilot> Connor timed out
[01:25:27] <Wolf_> send it to this name :P
[01:26:03] <Wolf_> not sure how to get DCC working on rssi in lunix, plus I’m in the house not in the shop
[01:28:05] <MacGalempsy> nah, I am pretty good with this, just want to get through the learning curve for future projects
[01:28:31] <MacGalempsy> the only spindle-output I can get to go is 0.0485
[01:31:50] <archivist> MacGalempsy, it it an open collector pwm output?
[01:32:13] <MacGalempsy> archivist: not sure what that means, I dont know
[01:32:35] <MacGalempsy> output is from the PNCCONF
[01:32:49] <MacGalempsy> setup on the HAL/IIN
[01:33:02] <archivist> it means a pin does not source current/volts, you need a pull up
[01:33:25] <MacGalempsy> no because the other axis work the same way
[01:33:45] <MacGalempsy> the 7i77 has + - command
[01:35:30] <archivist> I can see you may have made wrong assumptions
[01:36:23] <MacGalempsy> so when the documentation says it can source -10/+10v that is not correct?
[01:37:25] <Jymmm> archivist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P73REgj-3UE
[01:37:29] <archivist> is the fpga configured on the main card configured correctly
[01:38:05] <MacGalempsy> you mean on the 5i25?
[01:38:13] <archivist> yes
[01:41:07] <MacGalempsy> do you mean in the HAL file when the component is loaded?
[01:41:13] <MacGalempsy> or on the physical card?
[01:41:50] <MacGalempsy> I can run the other drives from the same card, although the settings seem funky
[01:51:46] <MacGalempsy> archivist: are you talking about the W4 pin that deals with the week pull-ups?
[01:53:46] <archivist> I dont know the full details of all the boards, but am aware that some thing need checking like that, and is the fpga set up for that number of analogue out
[01:55:27] <Connor> If he bought the 5i25 and 7i77 together, then the firmware should be loaded on it already.
[01:55:51] <MacGalempsy> 5i25 7i77 7i84
[01:59:47] <MacGalempsy> internal pull-ups are on
[02:00:52] <Connor> Huh?
[02:01:13] <Connor> you should be able to get a 0-10V signal from the output.. nothign to do with pull-ups..
[02:02:01] <CaptHindsight> seems to be confusing analog +/- 10V with PWM
[02:02:42] <Mac_VMC> that is how the HAL file is set uphttp://pastebin.com/DP2YEeAa
[02:02:43] <Connor> Yea.. it's PWM from the 5i25, but the 7i77 converts the PWM to Analog +/- 10V
[02:02:52] <Contract_Pilot> I have 6 connected to the torrent
[02:02:53] <Mac_VMC> that is how the HAL file is set up http://pastebin.com/DP2YEeAa
[02:03:21] <Mac_VMC> i just cannot manage to get the full +10v
[02:03:25] <Mac_VMC> or -10v
[02:03:35] <Contract_Pilot> I cannot do this on my own pleese seed!
[02:04:32] <Contract_Pilot> Tormach should not charge 30.00 + 7+ shipping for open source!
[02:04:58] <Contract_Pilot> Upen souce should be that OPEN!
[02:05:10] <Deejay> moin
[02:05:38] <Contract_Pilot> the way i read the GNU they can charge for handling an dandwith and shipping!!
[02:07:09] <Contract_Pilot> Anyopne want the torrent link to pathpilot DCC me an e-mail i will gladly send want a direct download min min 10.00 costs me 12
[02:07:42] <Contract_Pilot> 10.00 per gig and it is 1.2gig
[02:08:19] <Contract_Pilot> if you agree to seed i will absorb the bandwith for a direct DL
[02:09:43] <Sync> what, who still pays for bandwidth in 2015 :D
[02:09:56] <Contract_Pilot> I have been running an airplane manuals site for years.
[02:10:06] <CaptHindsight> label it XXX Pathpilot XXX and watch it get seeded :)
[02:10:20] <Contract_Pilot> hahaha
[02:10:51] <Sync> sure, but even then $10/G is insane
[02:10:52] <Contract_Pilot> ok, capt dcc e-mail and i send torrent and seed
[02:11:06] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, bit PITA to switch
[02:11:55] <CaptHindsight> Sync: but those packets get sent Priority Express
[02:12:02] <Contract_Pilot> hahaha
[02:12:44] <Wolf_> torrent said like 9hrs, direct with a good connection is >5mins
[02:13:05] <Wolf_> err <5mins
[02:18:10] <Contract_Pilot> ya, going to bitch at comcast in the morning
[02:18:44] <Contract_Pilot> I you are pulling initial seed only 1 has completed
[02:19:18] <Contract_Pilot> need seeds!
[02:19:22] <MacGalempsy> does path pilot work with mesa cards?
[02:19:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Howdy!
[02:20:01] <Wolf_> I’m not going to complain about comcast, I’m getting way more dl speed then i pay for lol
[02:20:17] <Connor> MacGalempsy: PP is linuxcnc with a Custom GUI. and yes, they reconfigured it work with Mesa exclusivly.
[02:21:11] <MacGalempsy> hmm. this linuxcnc is so frustrating to use. its been like 3 years now, and my machine is still coming along.
[02:21:15] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: Hail and farewell!
[02:21:25] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Aloha!
[02:21:34] <MacGalempsy> its like I can get signals to the software the HAL and INI programming is a bitch
[02:21:42] <Contract_Pilot> Change the config_file.txt
[02:21:43] <Contract_Pilot> For the Lathe: ~/tmc/configs/tormach_lathe/tormach_lathe_sim.ini
[02:21:43] <Contract_Pilot> For the Mill: ~/tmc/configs/tormach_mill/tormach_mill_sim.ini
[02:22:20] <Contract_Pilot> No mesa card required to load modify as you wish
[02:22:45] <Contract_Pilot> Yep
[02:24:45] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/?p=1184
[02:26:47] <MacGalempsy> at this point, now that everything is connected to the board, I am curious if anyone would be willing to go through the files and clean it up. I would paypal some $$$
[02:27:05] <MacGalempsy> i mean, I have it tuned on 4 axis, I just cannot get the damn spindle to go
[02:29:28] <Connor> MacGalempsy: Wait till tomorrow and talk with PCW / pcw_home
[02:29:36] <Connor> he can help you.. He's the guy who makes Mesa
[02:30:23] <Contract_Pilot> Wait for PathPilolt the gurus and experts will have it any day.
[02:31:14] <Connor> Bed time, later folks.
[02:31:50] <Contract_Pilot> pathpilot restore disk is on me tonight till 9am PT
[02:32:03] <Contract_Pilot> just dcc me!
[02:32:54] <Contract_Pilot> I go to bed will respond when i awake
[02:37:17] <MacGalempsy> yeah, I got to crash out too...
[02:56:23] <Contract_Pilot> bed here!
[02:56:32] <Contract_Pilot> Seed seed seed
[03:19:08] <Contract_Pilot> Wonder how long tormach changes form LCNC!
[03:19:54] <Contract_Pilot> LCNC better then mach 3/4 for sure
[03:20:56] <Contract_Pilot> Now some one needs to write a simple config for PathPilot
[03:21:13] <Contract_Pilot> but lots of help here no worries
[03:21:27] <Contract_Pilot> Night off to bed
[03:22:35] <Contract_Pilot> http://airplanemanuals.com/tpp/Tormach%20Restore%20Disk%20V1.9.2b.iso
[03:22:35] <Contract_Pilot> UN: TPP_Backup
[03:22:36] <Contract_Pilot> PW: G_yE.i*_k]c3
[03:22:36] <Contract_Pilot> If you would like to donate something for bandwidt DCC me h
[03:23:05] <Contract_Pilot> This will cost me a lot!
[03:23:10] <Contract_Pilot> hahaha
[03:25:34] <Contract_Pilot> Hope it helps the LCNC comunity
[03:59:48] <fenn> Contract_Pilot: just distributing the .iso doesn't get the source to anyone (unless the source is also on the .iso) you would have to request the source from tormach because they distributed the .iso to you
[04:00:55] <fenn> hum i guess it could be 100% python code
[04:01:36] <Wolf_> he posted a link saying something about changing something to “For the Mill: ~/tmc/configs/tormach_mill/tormach_mill_sim.ini” sounds like it might be just a front end mod
[04:03:08] <fenn> of course it's just a front end mod
[04:03:40] <fenn> we don't know that for sure without seeing the source code though
[04:03:51] <Wolf_> I haven’t looked at it yet, plus I don’t code lol
[04:05:50] <fenn> there may be some trademark issues with calling derivatives "path pilot" as well
[04:08:17] <fenn> maybe we can call it "contract pilot" instead :P
[04:08:26] <Wolf_> lol
[04:33:40] <Wolf_Mill> grr, why cant things be simple, need a gib for this x axis, and of course its a hair under 1/8
[04:33:55] <Wolf_Mill> ck1/8" thik
[04:34:20] <Wolf_Mill> 1/8" thick *fu keyboard
[04:43:17] <Wolf_Mill> 3mm gib opening, 3.22mm stock, go figure lol
[04:45:45] <fenn> blame ronald reagan
[04:48:13] <fenn> "According to Frank Mankiewicz, he prompted Lyn Nofziger's efforts to halt the 1970s U.S. metrication effort, who convinced President Ronald Reagan to shut down the United States Metric Board."
[04:48:32] <Wolf_Mill> dammit, dont have the right sized parallels either
[04:49:12] <Wolf_Mill> no I totally blame crap china machining on this x table/saddle
[04:49:25] <Wolf_Mill> cause the y gib is almost a 4mm gap
[04:50:42] <Wolf_Mill> best kicker is the the way bearing surfaces are all milled but the bottom that doesnt touch anything is ground
[04:51:26] <fenn> is it an incorrectly built dovetail? touches in the center but not on the sides?
[04:52:42] <Wolf_Mill> i dunno, looks like just the center is touching
[04:53:55] <Wolf_Mill> this is the bottom of the saddle, Y axis ball screw, you can see how the things are milled http://i.imgur.com/3dZmaDH.jpg
[04:54:40] <fenn> yeah that's bad
[04:54:51] <fenn> not an easy fix
[04:55:19] <MattyMatt> jib the gib. cut some grooves for non-recirculating balls
[04:56:42] <MattyMatt> that's a real thing I plan to do. drawer slides on steroids
[04:56:51] <fenn> i wonder why tapered gibs aren't used on cheap chinese tools
[04:57:15] <XXCoder> hey ll
[04:57:17] <XXCoder> *all
[04:57:52] <fenn> they could save two whole grub screws and tapping operations by switching to tapered gibs
[04:58:17] <Wolf_Mill> would be nice
[04:59:05] <MattyMatt> those cheap 7x10 chinese had the smell of military stockpile about them. simple lathe in heavy goo
[04:59:12] <Wolf_Mill> yay for the big ass box of hss tool steel that came with my lathe
[04:59:35] <Wolf_Mill> ghetto parallel spacers
[04:59:56] <XXCoder> ran a lathe today. pretty rare, and first time that specific lathe. fun.
[05:00:06] <XXCoder> I dont like running lathes lol too dan scary
[05:00:42] <MattyMatt> like the legendary airfield hoard of Triumph Bonneville parts, just in case we needed em. they were dug up in the 80s and sold when they were no longer strategically important
[05:01:29] <MattyMatt> so you chinese lathe is KISS. intended solely for churning out AK-47 rounds if it all kicked off with the russians
[05:02:07] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: like the concerete lathes usa come up in order to make so many stuff for ww2
[05:02:18] <XXCoder> usa had only few lathes. they suddenly needed thousands.
[05:02:21] <Wolf_Mill> doubt it, ak will run loose specs but not that loose
[05:02:39] <XXCoder> Wolf_Mill: it may be missing side shims or something?
[05:03:15] <Wolf_Mill> what? my saddle?
[05:03:34] <XXCoder> not sure terms on this case lol
[05:04:36] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/Df3BhTF.jpg nadda missing, just cheap design
[05:05:12] <XXCoder> guess so
[05:05:18] <XXCoder> so, whats your plan on fixing it
[05:05:47] <MattyMatt> does anyone know what kind of point gib screws should have? I'm thinking of making little angle plugs to spread the load on teflon gibs, but even bronze must get squashed by the wrong tip shape
[05:06:34] <fenn> you're supposed to put matching dimples in the gib
[05:06:57] <Wolf_Mill> "dog point" set screws
[05:07:26] <MattyMatt> on my little lathe, the gibs are ~1/16" thick. not much meat for a concave dimple
[05:07:40] <Wolf_Mill> I was going to try acetal gibs on this mill but I really dont feel like tryign to figure out how to hold the damn things down
[05:08:43] <fenn> i would do 118 degrees because that's easy with a drill bit
[05:09:02] <fenn> or just stick it in without modification (cup point)
[05:09:44] <fenn> also MattyMatt that sounds terrible, a 1/16" teflon gib wouldn't spread the pressure out very far at all
[05:10:04] <fenn> teflon creeps pretty badly
[05:10:05] <MattyMatt> no, my bronze one is 1/16"
[05:10:51] <miek123> anyone know whats going on with Mesa? i was about to place an order but then realized the 7i76 was out of stock, and the forms are full of people complaning their orders from weeks ago haven't shipped and mesa isn't returning emails/answering the phone....
[05:10:55] <MattyMatt> although 2mm is my plan for large wooden dovetail slides
[05:11:18] <MattyMatt> no gib screws on that idea tho
[05:11:28] <XXCoder> miek123: dunno but yeah I wouldnt order as long as problems keep on.
[05:12:18] <fenn> it's all my fault guys, i should be making circuit boards for mesa
[05:12:20] <XXCoder> I'm bit worried as one of my hobby orders was shipped just 2 days before store closed. I don't know if records are stright or not.
[05:12:43] <miek123> :/
[05:13:11] <fenn> MattyMatt: wooden dovetail slides?
[05:13:12] <miek123> i was hoping to upgrade the hardware on my machine before upgrading to 2.7
[05:13:17] <fenn> MattyMatt: you know wood warps right?
[05:13:29] <XXCoder> 2 nw negatve feedbacks. how wonderful.
[05:13:32] <XXCoder> *new
[05:13:41] <MattyMatt> yes, that's why violins are useless after 300 years
[05:13:57] <fenn> a violin is not a machine tool
[05:14:00] <XXCoder> unless it warps into awesome shape
[05:15:00] <fenn> i mean it's hard enough to make a dovetail out of brass without it getting bent out of shape
[05:16:35] <MattyMatt> plywood stays flat enough indoors, for long enough to do some metalwork with it. I've failed to prove this point so far I admit, my first plywood mill is too floppy to make its own alu replacement
[05:16:36] <miek123> are you guys from europe or just up really late?
[05:16:50] <fenn> i'm from mars
[05:17:05] <MattyMatt> I'm an EU citizen
[05:17:29] <XXCoder> I'm from mainline earth, using cross-reality networking to connect to this earth's irc server. way better than dictorship irc we have here.
[05:17:33] <MattyMatt> EU called me a citizen, when UK was still calling me a subject
[05:18:07] <fenn> ah xxcoder that explains some of the spelling differences
[05:18:26] <miek123> i'm moving to spain in a few months...any idea where I might find an rf45 clone in .eu?
[05:18:26] <Wolf_Mill> not sure wtf i'm still doing up...
[05:18:28] <XXCoder> keep it secret though your earth havent discovered the method.
[05:18:43] <miek123> i'm going to need a new project
[05:18:51] <fenn> "arc euro trade"?
[05:19:19] <MattyMatt> arc euro trade = good parts, but not fabulous prices
[05:19:48] <MattyMatt> like marchantdice, the other luxury UK shop
[05:19:57] <fenn> sounds dicey
[05:20:44] <MattyMatt> and zappo completes the triumvirate
[05:20:54] <MattyMatt> they're best for motors
[05:21:39] <miek123> hmm yes that's very expensive
[05:23:30] <Wolf_Mill> hmm, derp, put a item i needed in my amazon cart this afternoon and forgot to finish order...
[05:23:36] <MattyMatt> there was a bridgeport on ebay less than 1m from me, but I haven't got room :(
[05:24:59] <MattyMatt> american machines are rare here, and expensive, for obvious shipping reasons
[05:25:24] <MattyMatt> and spain won't have any from WW2. wrong team
[05:26:02] <XXCoder> go go allied
[05:26:04] <XXCoder> heh
[05:26:54] <MattyMatt> what they will have probably is some nice old nazi ones. iirc spain made messerschmitt clones
[05:27:33] <XXCoder> godwin's law
[05:27:36] <XXCoder> kidding lol
[05:29:06] <MattyMatt> in some ways, WW1 and WW2 were the machinists' war
[05:29:29] <XXCoder> plane each day
[05:29:30] <MattyMatt> who can make tanks & ammo quicker
[05:29:51] <MattyMatt> so bad for humanity, but great for the trade
[05:29:54] <fenn> and the computer engineers put everyone out of business
[05:29:56] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: bet there was heaps of metal scavaging at end
[05:29:59] <XXCoder> so much iron
[05:30:08] <XXCoder> I bet usa didnt get most of it back
[05:30:18] <fenn> unexploded bombs, yay
[05:30:57] <fenn> there are still entire towns in france from ww1 that are off limits due to chemical contamination
[05:31:15] <MattyMatt> yeah someone on YT was showing off his axe head with "made in germany" in english stamped on it. I posited that was made from tank scrap as it was from the occupation
[05:32:28] <MattyMatt> that made it back to US
[05:32:36] <XXCoder> wow
[05:32:42] <XXCoder> imange the trip it took
[05:33:34] <MattyMatt> aren't most of US tanks still in Germany? they were 20 years ago
[05:34:02] <MattyMatt> same for UK tanks
[05:34:17] <MattyMatt> I guess that was cold war thing
[05:39:31] <MattyMatt> new subject: seeing oxtoolco bottle out of cutting a metric thread on an inch lathe has confirmed the wisdom of my decision not to have gears on my lathe. pure cnc power feed FTW
[05:40:05] <MattyMatt> them gears and tumblers and whatnots look time consuming
[05:40:09] <XXCoder> seeing oxtollco bottle out?
[05:40:23] <MattyMatt> him or keith fenner. I go confirm
[05:41:29] <fenn> you can convert inch/metric with a 127 tooth gear
[05:42:26] <fenn> cnc is awesome of course
[05:42:33] <MattyMatt> my apologies. he didn't bottle it, but he didn't have a 127 tooth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXt4TWa382Q
[05:42:55] <MattyMatt> but that looks like a chore
[05:43:10] <fenn> is "bottling" when you have no groove at the end of the thread?
[05:43:32] <MattyMatt> nope it's when you refuse to do something because you're scared
[05:44:08] <MattyMatt> liverpool word, works anywhere in UK
[05:44:09] <fenn> does oxtoolco not believe in CNC or something?
[05:44:26] <MattyMatt> he's managaed long enough without it, I guess
[05:45:07] <gonzo_> Or it could be the act of pushing a broken bottle end in someones face
[05:45:36] <MattyMatt> we call that glassing here, even when it's half a bottle, just to keep it clear
[05:47:07] <MattyMatt> officer "did you glass him?" perp "no I bottled it"
[05:47:23] <gonzo_> even in a bar brawl, it's important to have clear conventions and terms
[05:51:42] <XXCoder> bottled bottled water :P
[05:52:35] <MattyMatt> that becomes a joke about people scared to drink tap water
[05:52:55] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2551
[06:00:27] <MattyMatt> http://smbc.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage/products/science-shirt gotta get this for someone
[06:00:42] <MattyMatt> I'll email him the link. it's the thought that counts
[06:00:44] <XXCoder> ohh I want it
[06:01:05] <XXCoder> ya know
[06:01:13] <XXCoder> dont think I ever browsed his store lol
[06:04:46] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2223#comic
[06:27:42] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/studiocheha/bulbing-2d-3d-led-lamps-optimize-your-lighting-exp?ref=popular
[06:27:45] <XXCoder> looks cool
[06:27:48] <XXCoder> but ya know what
[06:27:54] <XXCoder> laser cnc can do it I bet
[06:28:04] <XXCoder> or even cnc ruter
[06:32:16] <MattyMatt> reprap that shit
[06:32:41] <MattyMatt> you can get mostly clear filament now
[06:32:44] <XXCoder> nah cant get nice transparent sheet with repap
[06:32:51] <XXCoder> so far I know on state of art
[06:33:11] <MattyMatt> disney got a patent on 3d printed light pipes
[06:33:37] <Wolf_Mill> dlp resin printer...
[06:33:38] <MattyMatt> a specific kind that emerge as symbols at the surface
[06:34:01] <Wolf_Mill> if its on kickstarter I sorta expect 3d printurd
[06:34:30] <MattyMatt> laser seems likeliest for an acrylic merchant
[06:36:15] <Wolf_Mill> just looked, yeah router or laser
[06:36:27] <Wolf_Mill> or rotary engraver
[06:36:29] <XXCoder> laser'd be better
[06:36:36] <XXCoder> but router can do it.
[06:36:40] <MattyMatt> the geartrain in this shredder looks pretty good and intact. the frame has split at the distal end. I'm thinking tapping head
[06:37:21] <MattyMatt> motor looks about 100W
[06:38:03] <MattyMatt> or feed rollers for a thickness sander
[06:38:24] <MattyMatt> I could use the shredders for that with their teeth
[06:39:26] <Wolf_Mill> hmm thx, I was trying to figure where to find a somewhat slow motor setup to do a powerfeed on my lathe :)
[06:39:36] <MattyMatt> hmm toothmarks at the sanding stage. not useful
[06:40:05] <XXCoder> heh
[06:40:17] <XXCoder> was thinking actual human toothmarks for a min :P
[06:41:22] <Wolf_Mill> great, now all i have left are total pain in the ass parts
[06:42:08] <XXCoder> total ass in the parts pain
[06:42:09] <Wolf_Mill> need to grind a flange off a ball nut...
[06:43:08] <MattyMatt> are you doing that on the lathe with a toolpost grinder?
[06:43:25] <XXCoder> need to grind a nut off a flange ball
[06:43:45] <Wolf_Mill> 5" angle grinder
[06:43:59] <MattyMatt> + duct tape = toolpost grinder
[06:44:20] <MattyMatt> cover all your ways and you'll have much more control on the lathe
[06:44:30] <Wolf_Mill> I need to take the top of one down some, still need the rest of it for mounting
[06:44:34] <MattyMatt> unless you want square nubs
[06:44:42] <malcom2073> Heh square nubs.
[06:44:43] <MattyMatt> gotcha
[06:45:18] <Wolf_Mill> g0704 x axis type install
[06:45:47] <Wolf_Mill> where the ball nut is bigger then the bed clearance
[06:45:52] <MattyMatt> the ones I saw had a pocket ground under the bed with a carbide burr
[06:46:48] <Wolf_Mill> well, I have a workign mill so I dont need to use a burr for the saddle half lol
[06:46:54] <MattyMatt> seemed scary, grinding on the bit that can't be replaced
[06:47:45] <MattyMatt> g0704 = grizzly mill?
[06:47:52] <Wolf_Mill> yeah
[06:48:13] <Wolf_Mill> but i'm workin on a X2P sieg base
[06:49:18] <MattyMatt> nice
[06:49:49] <jthornton> now I have to figure out what to do with the entities
[06:50:19] <MattyMatt> n-titties?
[06:50:29] <malcom2073> That's an indeterminant number of titties
[06:50:46] <MattyMatt> sort them into pairs, of course
[06:50:52] <jthornton> sorry just one t
[06:51:34] <Wolf_Mill> MattyMatt: http://i.imgur.com/kYDtEtW.jpg
[06:52:17] <MattyMatt> nice vice
[06:52:51] <Wolf_Mill> not a vice lol http://i.imgur.com/GVsm7lB.jpg
[06:53:23] <MattyMatt> lob a fixed jaw on that pillar base, and it could be :)
[06:53:34] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[06:54:43] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/Df3BhTF.jpg next is milling the saddle X side
[06:56:34] <malcom2073> Looking pretty good
[06:57:42] <Wolf_Mill> bearing block is gonna be fun, all I have is 1.5" alum stock laying around
[06:58:40] <MattyMatt> what's the OD? 22mm? :)
[06:59:07] <Wolf_Mill> ball nut is 22od on the cylinder part
[06:59:23] <Wolf_Mill> bearings are 30 i think
[06:59:46] <jthornton> rebuilding it?
[06:59:53] <MattyMatt> I've got forstner bits in both those sizes. that's an upgrade round here
[07:00:14] <MattyMatt> spade bit in oak is a bit teary
[07:01:06] <Wolf_Mill> hmm I do have a 30mm forstner down at the other shop
[07:01:20] <Wolf_Mill> but I'm not sticking that in alum lol
[07:01:30] <MattyMatt> heh yeah, I use wood tools on alu quite a bit
[07:02:12] <Wolf_Mill> jthornton: upgrade for my x1's tiny table/y axis travel
[07:02:21] <jthornton> nice
[07:03:26] <Wolf_Mill> next phase is building a x2 mill column and head/spindle from replacement parts to upgrade to R8 setup
[07:04:19] <_methods> Wolf_Mill: that's teh way to do it
[07:04:25] <_methods> wish i'd known that when i did mine
[07:04:53] <MattyMatt> jthornton this kind of entity? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PyVCP
[07:04:54] <_methods> i have a pile of left over x2 parts from replacing everything with better parts
[07:05:38] <jthornton> opening a reading in the entities from a dxf file
[07:06:06] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, glad I figured it out, I was thinking of getting a x2 or something, but the other night everyone was linking x2 mill ballscrew pics and I noticed a x2 with the same base as this X1 extended kit I got
[07:06:15] <MattyMatt> ah, dunno that either. I implicitly trust importers to screw up by themselves
[07:06:27] <_methods> the lms extended bed is nice
[07:06:55] <_methods> i ended up replacing basically everything except the actual mill head
[07:07:00] <Wolf_Mill> http://www.siegind.com/products_detail/&productId=43.html
[07:07:09] <Wolf_Mill> looks familliar?
[07:07:33] <_methods> nope
[07:07:48] <_methods> that looks like and x1 with an x2 head
[07:08:15] <Wolf_Mill> yup, thats where the extended x1 base and table come from
[07:09:12] <MattyMatt> summer's nearly over here. I never got to do any casting
[07:09:24] <MattyMatt> again this year
[07:10:40] <MattyMatt> I can only do summer as it's a stealth operation at momma's house
[07:10:58] <MattyMatt> so, plywood machine tools again :p
[07:11:40] <_methods> https://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=3677&category=-269978449
[07:11:47] <_methods> taht's the one i upgraded my mill with
[07:11:56] <MattyMatt> plan B. plywood houseboat machine shop. cast metal on river bank
[07:13:31] <MattyMatt> I've noticed that tables with 2 axis of CNC already installed fetch good prices on ebay
[07:13:56] <Wolf_Mill> cool, I'm thinking the hitorque solid column + the spindle parts for the x2 R8 setup, add some timing pullys from fleabay + a vfd/motor and I should have a beast of a mini mill
[07:14:23] <_methods> yeah the solid column and large table
[07:14:29] <_methods> then put whatever head you want on it
[07:15:38] <MattyMatt> bridgeport head, and just use the quill as the Z
[07:16:00] <MattyMatt> column would be wider than high, for that :)
[07:16:22] <Wolf_Mill> if I get a mill for my shop, I'm getting something bigger then a bridgeport
[07:16:43] <Wolf_Mill> then I can just chuck the x1 up in it
[07:17:39] <Wolf_Mill> creative framing of vid and show it doing rigid tapping
[07:25:58] <_methods> yeah i've been searching for a nice little #1 horizontal for awhile now
[07:26:03] <_methods> one day i'll find it
[07:30:47] <Tom_itx> they sent a forstner bit to drill the aluminum hole cutouts for an entry door. it barely made it thru all 4 holes and it's crap now
[07:31:09] <Tom_itx> i guess it served their purpose.
[07:31:59] <Tom_itx> i certainly wouldn't measure the holes for consistency
[07:32:46] <Wolf_Mill> heh yeah, my best bet is rough mill the holes then bore them
[07:35:27] <Tom_itx> fall is on the way. 69�F
[07:35:46] <malcom2073> indeed, it's 50F here
[07:35:52] <jthornton> 55f here
[07:36:02] <malcom2073> Supposed to still get hot during the day though
[07:38:26] <Wolf_Mill> gotta love this area, snow one day, t-shirt weather the next
[07:40:36] <malcom2073> Yep
[07:42:30] <_methods> yeah it's freezing here it's like 74
[07:42:34] <_methods> hahaha
[07:46:13] <MattyMatt> has anyone seen one of these with CNC? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100mm-4-Cross-Slide-Engineering-Working-Vice-Cast-Iron-Body-Tool-Vise-/201431286839
[07:52:04] <MattyMatt> yes YT has https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVHh_3sXzhk
[07:53:39] <malcom2073> Ghetto, I like it
[07:55:37] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/video/MVC-344W.MPG
[07:55:40] <MattyMatt> something like that could be taken on site for stuff like hex heads on allthread or keyways
[07:55:47] <skunkworks> first conversion
[07:58:26] <MattyMatt> nice
[07:58:58] <MattyMatt> use of a cheap drill+press is mandatory :)
[07:59:39] <MattyMatt> especially for the onsite idea
[08:00:55] <MattyMatt> I coulda got a mag drill with my mill base, it was what he was using. I'm kicking myself now
[08:10:06] <skunkworks> That was probably turbocnc
[08:10:25] <skunkworks> quickly moved to emc1
[08:11:10] <Jymmm> There's nothing wrong with TurboCNC
[08:29:54] <ganzuul> Got the bench grinder swapped to a bigger one, paying the difference. Turns out the run capacitor on the small one was out of spec, so the motor ran hot.
[08:33:48] <ganzuul> Jeesus, thing thing has power.
[08:50:07] <Jymmm> ganzuul: LICK IT
[08:51:44] <fenn> MattyMatt: use concrete for your machine frame
[08:51:52] <ganzuul> ಠ_ಠ
[08:51:54] <ganzuul> no
[08:52:16] <Jymmm> ganzuul: LICK IT GOOD
[08:52:36] <ganzuul> *disapproval intensifies*
[08:52:44] <fenn> MattyMatt: i think you can cast concrete directly on thin plates of delrin placed on cold rolled steel box ways
[08:53:39] <Jymmm> ganzuul: LICK IT LIKE THE LOLLIPOP YOU KNOW YOU WANT!
[08:54:34] <Wolf_Mill> such power. much grind, wow
[08:57:13] <_methods> someone put Jymmm back in his cage
[08:57:28] <_methods> :)
[08:57:34] <Jymmm> _methods: Only after you get back under your rock!
[08:57:37] <_methods> hahah
[08:57:41] <Jymmm> or bridge
[08:57:45] <Jymmm> or both!
[08:57:58] <Wolf_Mill> hmm, I think I can mount this x axis ball screw easy
[08:59:57] <Wolf_Mill> damn maybe not
[09:02:56] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/ppfW76B.jpg lower holes are right at the edge of the surface :/
[09:06:06] <_methods> rock bridge
[09:07:14] <ganzuul> Thou shalt not lick grinding machines which lick back harder.
[09:07:41] <Jymmm> wuss
[09:07:53] <MattyMatt> fenn already on it. I'm gonna try cutting up paving slabs first with diamond blade in a grinder, as an experiment
[09:08:08] <ganzuul> 370 Watts of hatred and destruction.
[09:08:27] <MattyMatt> I'm upstairs. mistakes in poured concrete are hard to dispose of
[09:08:32] <Jymmm> That's just 'tough love'
[09:08:35] <malcom2073> MattyMatt: Got a window?
[09:09:02] <MattyMatt> inclined plane, 1200kg winch. easy :)
[09:09:30] <malcom2073> I mean for disposing of mistakes :-D
[09:09:39] <MattyMatt> arr me too
[09:09:58] <Wolf_Mill> wuss fo shure, thats not even 1/2 hp grinder
[09:10:39] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Thats what _methods is for. He eats goats... err mistakes for lunch!
[09:10:45] <fenn> i'm thinking just make standard sized blocks with standard sized bolt patterns and re-use them for something else if the machine is no longer useful
[09:10:46] <MattyMatt> imagine 2 paving slabs, with althread for rebar in an epoxy sandwich. cheap stiff and easy to index off the allthread sticking out
[09:11:07] <malcom2073> If the cheese vs goat cheese is any indicator of beef vs goat meat, I'm all for it
[09:11:25] <fenn> embed coupling nuts because it's less annoying to not have poky allthread sticking out
[09:11:48] <_methods> mistakes like Jymmm hehe
[09:12:08] <MattyMatt> good point
[09:12:23] <fenn> the nuts thread onto the ends of your allthread
[09:12:24] <MattyMatt> but allthread between the nuts as rebar
[09:12:27] <malcom2073> Hmm, how would you clean acetone out of a 55 gallon plastic drum? Think it's possible to get it clean enough for non potable water?
[09:12:41] <Wolf_Mill> light it off
[09:12:46] <Wolf_Mill> :)
[09:12:51] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Open the lid and let it evaporate?
[09:12:55] <malcom2073> Heh, *plastic* drum :P
[09:13:01] <malcom2073> Jymmm: The drum is empty
[09:13:07] <malcom2073> But you can still smell it
[09:13:12] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Open the lid and let it evaporate?
[09:13:20] <MattyMatt> fill with water, soak, rinse , repeat
[09:14:00] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Is it 100% dry inside?
[09:14:01] <MattyMatt> fill with abs beads and tumble it for 3 weeks
[09:14:12] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Seems so, at least as far as I can get my fingers in to investigate through a 3" hole
[09:14:15] <MattyMatt> abs loves the acetone :)
[09:14:25] <ganzuul> Boil it.
[09:14:41] <fenn> make reprap stew
[09:14:49] <Jymmm> malcom2073: did you open all of the bung holes?
[09:14:52] <malcom2073> Haha, I have a can of reprap stew
[09:14:54] <MattyMatt> just use it. if it's non-potable why care?
[09:14:56] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Yes
[09:14:59] <malcom2073> MattyMatt: The smell
[09:15:09] <malcom2073> And I'm using it in places that there might be ABS
[09:15:09] <MattyMatt> smell will go when it's full of water
[09:15:20] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Shove it in full sun for a couple of days
[09:15:45] <malcom2073> My buddy has a couple of these, I'm thinking of picking one or two up off of him
[09:16:01] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Wait, you want this for potable water?
[09:16:05] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Nooo
[09:16:06] <malcom2073> non potable
[09:16:32] <Jymmm> malcom2073: then what do you care if it smells?
[09:16:38] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Because it's going in toilets
[09:16:46] <malcom2073> They smell bad enough on their own
[09:16:46] <Jymmm> so?
[09:16:51] <MattyMatt> acetone smells nicer than toilets
[09:17:03] <Jymmm> yep
[09:17:07] <malcom2073> Maybe your toilets
[09:17:09] <malcom2073> :P
[09:17:22] <MattyMatt> especially when I'm flushing
[09:17:32] <malcom2073> Hmm, I wonder if it's possible to get it clean enough to be potable
[09:17:39] <malcom2073> would simplify the plumbing if I could just pipe the water through my normal lines
[09:17:46] <malcom2073> Rather than running secondaries
[09:17:46] <MattyMatt> acetone isn't poisonous
[09:17:55] <MattyMatt> just niffy
[09:17:59] <malcom2073> True, if acetone bites you, you won't die
[09:18:00] <MattyMatt> and corrosive
[09:18:13] <Jymmm> malcom2073: You will spend far more time and water trying to remove something that will never get 100% removed. Just toss it in the sun for a couple of days then use it.
[09:19:01] <Jymmm> malcom2073: NEVER USE NON FOOD-GRADE CONTAINERS FOR POTABLE WATER
[09:19:02] <Jymmm> malcom2073: NEVER USE NON FOOD-GRADE CONTAINERS FOR POTABLE WATER
[09:19:03] <Jymmm> malcom2073: NEVER USE NON FOOD-GRADE CONTAINERS FOR POTABLE WATER
[09:20:33] <MattyMatt> lake michigan
[09:20:38] <Jymmm> I DO reuse food grade container for potable water, but I can never ever get the residue out. It's molceluarly bonded to the HDPE
[09:21:07] <Jymmm> There's somehting about (fruit) sugars that does this.
[09:22:16] <furrywolf> drop a charcoal filter cartridge down in the barrel before adding the water.
[09:22:21] <Jymmm> Even alcohol based syrups bond to HDPE =(
[09:22:27] <malcom2073> Hmm
[09:22:35] <Jymmm> furrywolf: NON potable
[09:22:35] <furrywolf> it'll nicely suck all the acetone out of the water for you
[09:22:38] <malcom2073> So I have one brand new barrel in my garage, I'll have to see if that's food-grade or not
[09:22:43] * MattyMatt solders a nice copper tank
[09:22:58] <malcom2073> I'll assume the acetone ones aren't food grade, even though they look identical heh
[09:23:01] <_methods> makin stills now lol
[09:23:28] <Jymmm> malcom2073: The continaer more than likely is, but if it's riginal contents was never "food-grade", never re-use it for food-grade stuffs.
[09:23:46] <malcom2073> Jymmm: This isn't water I'm planning on drinking, but it may touch the same pipes, which is where my concern lies
[09:24:20] <Jymmm> malcom2073: You are mixing potable plumbing with grey water plumbing ???
[09:24:30] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Erm, no.
[09:24:35] <furrywolf> ... huh?
[09:24:36] <furrywolf> lol
[09:24:47] <malcom2073> Why woudl you mix waste with supply?
[09:24:53] <Jymmm> malcom2073: "...but it may touch the same pipes,"
[09:25:10] <furrywolf> I'm imagining he means he may re-plumb with potable water in the future
[09:25:11] <malcom2073> Right, I'm trying to figure out if I can use these barrels for backup water supply for the toilets
[09:26:04] <Jymmm> malcom2073: So then what is the concern of you have POTABKE and NON-POTABKE plumbing?
[09:26:22] <malcom2073> Jymmm: The acetone barrel is non potable it seems
[09:26:23] <malcom2073> A decent alternative: disconnect the toilet from the normal water supply, pipe normal water into the acetone barrel, and then pipe from the barrel up to the toilet.
[09:26:29] <MattyMatt> grey water is full of soap and chip fat, not the same as flushing water, which is the same class as surface water
[09:26:51] <Jymmm> malcom2073: and a checkvalve
[09:26:55] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Of course heh
[09:27:04] <malcom2073> I'd have the water pouring above level anyway
[09:27:09] <malcom2073> As an extra safety
[09:27:23] <furrywolf> why not just go spend the $30 and pick up a new food-grade barrel? :P
[09:27:35] <malcom2073> Erm, where can you get one delivered for $30?
[09:27:41] <Jymmm> malcom2073: do you collect rain water?
[09:27:42] <furrywolf> delivered? probably nowhere.
[09:27:53] <malcom2073> Jymmm: They'd be good for that, but then again I don't have a garden so.....
[09:28:13] <furrywolf> who the hell gets a barrel delivered? lol
[09:28:15] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Nobody around here sells barrels for less than $100+
[09:28:32] <Jymmm> malcom2073: but you need a backup for toilet(s)?
[09:28:36] <MattyMatt> garden supply have water butts
[09:28:45] <MattyMatt> take all the rain off your roof
[09:28:50] <malcom2073> Jymmm: True, but I can fill the backup with normal water just as easily as rain collection
[09:29:17] <malcom2073> And more reliabily. typically when the power goes out, we haven't had rainfail in a while cause it's all been snow :P
[09:29:32] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Huh? I was asking you WHY you need backup water for the toilets?
[09:29:48] <MattyMatt> frozen pipes in an excuse
[09:29:48] <furrywolf> what is your water source?
[09:30:07] <malcom2073> Oh, because the three reasons why we have to live with my parents for a week each winter: No heat (generator solves that), no water for toilets, and no drinking water cause we use it all for toilets
[09:30:10] <MattyMatt> or you could build a big snowmelter behind the bathroom
[09:30:11] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Well water
[09:30:24] <furrywolf> plug well into generator.
[09:30:30] <Wolf_Mill> ^
[09:30:31] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Can't, generator isn't big enough
[09:30:39] <furrywolf> plug well into new, larger generator.
[09:30:40] <Wolf_Mill> I have my well pump on a plug
[09:30:48] <malcom2073> Heh indeed, I should buy a new larger generator
[09:30:53] * MattyMatt flushes with superheated water
[09:30:55] <malcom2073> :P
[09:31:10] <MattyMatt> hot bidet
[09:31:14] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Get a 1500 gallon tank, toss on roof,
[09:31:19] <furrywolf> the amount of time it's going to take you to rig up a separate water supply for your toilet, you could buy a generator and have water for the whole house. :P
[09:31:20] <Wolf_Mill> odd my well pump is less then 20amps
[09:31:36] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Isn't that like, 5 tons?
[09:31:38] <malcom2073> :P
[09:31:47] <furrywolf> Wolf_: 20 amps running, probably 200 starting... a lot of generators won't start well pumps without a lot of reserve capacity.
[09:31:47] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Not really
[09:31:59] <MattyMatt> tank in the roofspace is the obvious way to get gravity feed
[09:32:27] <Jymmm> malcom2073: where you at on the planet?
[09:32:39] <malcom2073> Jymmm: South central pennsylvania USA
[09:33:07] <furrywolf> a backup supply for the well really is a much better solution than trying to convert your toilets to gravity-feed.
[09:33:25] <malcom2073> They wouldn't be gravity feed.....
[09:34:00] <furrywolf> ... how else do you think the water is getting from the barrel to the toilet? you planning on a pump? or pressurizing the barrel? both of those add even more complexity!
[09:34:02] <Wolf_Mill> imo, if you dont want to spend bucks on a bigger generator, find a used gas powered welder :D
[09:34:34] <malcom2073> I have a pump/bladder setup I picked up a while back for cheap, along with a pressure switch
[09:34:40] <malcom2073> So a pump after the barrel
[09:35:06] <furrywolf> what kind of pump?
[09:35:33] <malcom2073> It's an RV water pump for the running water in an RV
[09:35:35] <furrywolf> and do you have a deep or a shallow well?
[09:35:38] <furrywolf> shurflo 2088?
[09:35:40] <malcom2073> furrywolf: 100ft
[09:35:47] <Jymmm> malcom2073: http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/search/sss?sort=rel&query=rain+barrel
[09:36:19] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Yes, there are used ones available, and if I drive 2 hours I can pick up a used food safe one for like $20
[09:36:34] <malcom2073> Or closer if I don't care if it's food safe
[09:36:56] <furrywolf> rather than trying to plumb just the toilets, put it somewhere else, use a proper food-grade tank, and pressurize the whole house. or, you know, just get a better generator and a plug.
[09:37:00] <Jymmm> malcom2073: pick up a few of them, sell to eneighbors
[09:37:28] <malcom2073> Anyway my origonal question was answered: Don't use the acetone barrels heh
[09:37:45] <malcom2073> Heh
[09:38:15] <Wolf_Mill> http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/hvo/5233400222.html better then barrels imo :P
[09:38:25] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Just get a tote and toss on the roof
[09:38:43] <malcom2073> Haha, if Ihad $3k to spend, I'd pick up one of those old military generators that show up on the surplus sites occasionally :)
[09:38:44] <furrywolf> how long does it need to run for? pick up another well pressure tank and tee it in. you can get 50+ gallon bladder tanks. just make sure not to waste it with people attempting to shower or such.
[09:39:08] <Wolf_Mill> did you read the descript
[09:39:16] <Wolf_Mill> 20kw 3 phase
[09:39:21] <malcom2073> Yeah heh
[09:40:04] <Jymmm> Just toss the mill/lathe trailer to the hitch and you're good to go... literally
[09:40:22] <furrywolf> what generator do you have currently?
[09:40:24] <malcom2073> Indeed
[09:40:34] <malcom2073> furrywolf: An 1970's Onan 4kw, doesn't have 240 output
[09:40:56] <furrywolf> and how many hp well pump?
[09:41:02] <malcom2073> 2
[09:41:13] <furrywolf> yeah, that's not likely to work.
[09:41:19] <malcom2073> Yeah heh
[09:41:29] <malcom2073> I have a 1kva 110-240 transformer... :-P
[09:41:30] <malcom2073> But yeah no
[09:41:34] <Jymmm> malcom2073: http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/fod/5205232990.html
[09:41:39] <furrywolf> buy a bigger generator. :)
[09:41:45] <malcom2073> indeed it's on my list
[09:42:14] <Jymmm> malcom2073: delivered too
[09:42:21] <Wolf_Mill> 8kw enough?
[09:42:22] <malcom2073> That thing will last like two years
[09:42:22] <malcom2073> if that
[09:42:40] <malcom2073> buddy of mine has a 8kw diesel generator for $300, runs a bit rough, I may try for that one sometime
[09:42:55] <furrywolf> "Unique “anode and cathode AUTO-ID” technology for battery random connection;" that's not a feature a flashlight should need.
[09:43:35] <Wolf_Mill> one of my ideas was instead of a gen set was to get a miller bobcat welder/generator 8kw
[09:45:27] <Jymmm> malcom2073: IBC Tote https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/grd/5235856940.html
[09:45:46] <Jymmm> malcom2073: 275 gallons
[09:45:48] <malcom2073> I'd heard of those
[09:48:01] <Jymmm> malcom2073: and only one ton on the roof =)
[09:48:10] <malcom2073> i don't need it on the roof, I have a pump :-P
[09:49:01] <Jymmm> then you're all set
[09:58:30] <furrywolf> bbl, time for work
[10:33:48] <Jymmm> furrywolf: http://www.tank-depot.com/
[10:43:26] <ssi> morn
[10:51:04] <_methods> ssi: you see this
[10:51:06] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=CZydrXAq2pY
[10:51:07] <_methods> heheh
[10:51:44] <ssi> aww it's a cherokee :D
[10:52:07] <_methods> airplane pilots are such shitty drivers
[10:52:12] <_methods> lol
[10:52:22] <_methods> blockin up the roads
[10:52:26] <ssi> yep
[10:52:31] <ssi> last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5glC4r38UPM
[10:52:48] <_methods> fun fun
[10:54:24] <_methods> is that a river or a lake you're over?
[10:54:32] <ssi> it's a reservoir
[10:54:36] <_methods> ahh
[10:54:51] <ssi> https://www.google.com/maps/@33.3629939,-84.2849982,13.66z
[11:02:29] <JT-Shop> to check if a string is in some kind of list how would you do that in C++?
[11:03:32] <_methods> what kind of list?
[11:03:46] <ssi> some kind of list
[11:03:47] <JT-Shop> I'm open
[11:04:08] <JT-Shop> I have strings like " 10", " 20" etc
[11:04:23] <JT-Shop> and I want to do if (x is in list)
[11:05:08] <_methods> you need to know how they're separated then iterate through the list to find your string ?
[11:05:18] <_methods> or strings
[11:05:57] <ssi> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24139428/c-check-if-element-is-in-the-list-contains
[11:05:58] <_methods> is the list in a db, txt file, user input?
[11:06:17] <_methods> array, struct
[11:06:20] <JT-Shop> they are constants
[11:06:32] <JT-Shop> they can be in anything really
[11:07:58] <JT-Shop> what I'm trying to do is loop through dxf entities and when I get to " 10" the next thing is the X start point of a line
[11:08:59] <_methods> so you're iterating through a .dxf to find your string
[11:09:42] <JT-Shop> yea, when I get to a line for example I want to collect the start and end position then convert it to G code
[11:09:47] <ssi> JT-Shop: whatcha working on?
[11:09:50] <_methods> kk
[11:10:17] <JT-Shop> a really simple G code generator in C++
[11:10:29] <JT-Shop> read a dxf file and spit out some G code
[11:10:36] <JT-Shop> mostly to learn C++
[11:10:40] <ssi> gotcha
[11:10:50] <ssi> personally I wouldn't want to do anything modern in c++ :P
[11:11:13] <JT-Shop> what would you use?
[11:11:35] <ssi> well go is my pet language of choice these days, but I would use something with better text processing for one thing
[11:12:10] <JT-Shop> go?
[11:12:14] <ssi> yea go is awesome
[11:12:21] <ssi> https://golang.org
[11:12:50] <ssi> ken thompson and a bunch of google dweebs sat down and imagined what would happen if C were created nowadays, and what they ended up with is go
[11:13:30] <ssi> send me the test dxf you're working with and an example of the sort of thing you're trying to do, and I'll whack together an example program for ya
[11:13:40] <JT-Shop> ok
[11:14:02] <cradek> there are already libraries, in probably every language, to read DXFs; I recommend using one instead of writing a new one
[11:14:11] <cradek> then you can jump right to the interesting part of what to do with the data
[11:20:58] <JT-Shop> I looked at some of them but they were all above my pay grade so I needed to learn more
[11:24:07] <Jymmm> furrywolf: WTF... it's ILLEGAL to collect rainwater?! http://www.naturalnews.com/029286_rainwater_collection_water.html#
[11:24:49] <malcom2073> Ahh california
[11:25:05] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Ahhh UTAH biotch!
[11:25:15] <malcom2073> Psh, cali would do something like that too
[11:25:51] <pcw_home> Utah is about the most corrupt state in the Union
[11:26:28] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Nope, the water cmpany has PDF's of how to construct a rainbarrel system you goober!
[11:26:28] <pcw_home> but water laws are byzantine almost everywhere
[11:27:12] <Jymmm> If it's 'THEIR" water, then should I charge a storage fee for it being on my land? lol
[11:27:16] <malcom2073> Maryland had a rain tax a while back, but they got rid of it
[11:29:24] <Jymmm> Interesting... "California's Graywater Standards are now part of the State Plumbing Code, making it LEGAL to use graywater everywhere in California. "
[11:29:49] <ssi> Jymmm: the city where the house I don't live in anymore is keeps sending me bills every month for "stormwater collection"
[11:30:02] <ssi> it's $5/mo, and I was paying it for awhile, but they never applied my payments to the bill
[11:30:12] <Jymmm> ssi: lovely
[11:30:13] <ssi> so I quit paying it, and they sent more bills saying my service would be interrupted
[11:30:20] <ssi> I was hoping they'd interrupt my service but no such luck
[11:30:34] <Jymmm> ssi: Those bastards! lmao
[11:30:40] <Jymmm> ssi: where was this?
[11:30:47] <ssi> suburb of atlanta
[11:30:54] <Jymmm> ah ga
[11:31:25] <Jymmm> I like the idea of collecting rainwater, not sure about greywater though
[11:33:15] <skunkworks> Jymmm, turbocnc was a great learning experience. (but it is exact stop only)
[11:33:34] <Jymmm> skunkworks: "exact stop" ?
[11:33:57] <skunkworks> it stops at every segment endpoint
[11:34:09] <skunkworks> No read-ahead
[11:34:22] <Jymmm> skunkworks: ah
[11:35:19] <Jymmm> Dumb question... Could greywater be used to flush toilets without treatment?
[11:35:41] <ssi> sure
[11:35:52] <Jymmm> would it stink up the house?
[11:35:59] <anomynous_> what is greywater?
[11:36:02] <ssi> depends on the greywater
[11:36:14] <skunkworks> like what is comes out of a washing machine
[11:36:15] <ssi> if it's shower drains that don't get pissed in, I think it'd be fine
[11:36:16] <Jymmm> anomynous_: shower, washingmachine, drainoff
[11:36:39] <Jymmm> anomynous_: non poop water
[11:36:57] <anomynous_> a ha
[11:37:16] <Jymmm> anomynous_: black water is poop and other non-useable water
[11:37:44] <anomynous_> all water goes down the drain here. From washing machine to shower to sink to... Why does it have separate name? Is it collected and reused?
[11:37:54] <skunkworks> isn't california looking at using treated sewer as drinking water?
[11:38:38] <Jymmm> anomynous_: Yes, but you see it mostly in RV ad trailers...they have grey and black water holding tanks depending on what/where/how/ it's to be dumped
[11:39:15] <ssi> and boats
[11:39:26] <Jymmm> skunkworks: I did see a treatment facility in Orange County that can process raw sewage into potable water in 45 minutes.
[11:39:35] <skunkworks> cool
[11:39:44] <skunkworks> astranauts do it...
[11:40:23] <Jymmm> skunkworks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG5zdAgteEI
[11:40:32] <skunkworks> http://imgur.com/a/hm4PA
[11:40:50] <skunkworks> finally cut the penquin that I had run virtually 1000s of times
[11:43:14] <Jymmm> skunkworks: lol
[12:04:00] <ganzuul> India really should have a significant manufacturing advantage over China, because of the filthy British.
[12:04:21] <ganzuul> ...while on the subject of **** all...
[12:04:34] <_methods> i hear facebook has imploded
[12:04:38] <ssi> ?
[12:05:11] <_methods> facebook no workie i guess
[12:05:20] <ssi> works here
[12:05:29] <_methods> interesting
[12:05:33] <_methods> must be regional
[12:06:20] <_methods> i go to facebook and it just throws an error
[12:07:00] <_methods> looks like the fixed it
[12:11:43] <Jymmm> too bad
[12:12:18] <ssi> lol
[12:12:56] <Contract_Pilot> Sup
[12:14:34] <Jymmm> Greywater creation = apx 25gallons per person, per day.
[12:15:29] <Jymmm> (excluding washing machine, dishwasher, etc)
[12:20:26] <enleth> Eh, the bport motor turned out to be in a serious need of shaft replacement. It may or may not be easier to fit a new motor.
[12:21:53] <enleth> Or I could send the rotor to John Stevenson for repair.
[12:32:49] <CaptHindsight> ganzuul: it's their culture that holds them back
[12:33:58] <CaptHindsight> Japan had the tech advantage long before China but squandered it
[12:44:29] <JT-Shop> hmm go is real slow compared to c++
[12:44:48] <ssi> not necessarily true
[12:44:50] <Jymmm> go turtle go turtle
[12:45:01] <JT-Shop> maybe because I used go run?
[12:45:13] <ssi> I think that builds on run
[12:46:47] <JT-Shop> yea, I used go build then ran the executable and fast as c++ afaik
[12:57:39] <anomynous> sliced potatoes, carrots, meat and onion into the pot goes with some salt and pepper and some other things. Hot on, and stew come out. For tomorrow and for the weekend ;D
[13:00:43] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdTiccjBGE8 spot on 25mm hole ;D
[13:03:36] <archivist> enleth, a long way to send it, no one nearer?
[13:07:19] <enleth> archivist: I found a few local shops that do generic machine shaft repairs the same way John does it (weld, then turn), but I'd trust him much more with that
[13:07:47] <enleth> archivist: I mean, if he still does those repairs
[13:08:50] <archivist> I think so although semi retired now
[13:09:46] <enleth> Well, I just have to ask. He was happy to answer a few questions a week ago, so I'll just follow up on that.
[13:10:23] <enleth> I guess it would be best to find a local shop to press the core off the shaft, ship the shaft to John and then press the core back on.
[13:12:10] <archivist> he is the sort who cannot sit down and vegitate I think so will be in his workshop forever
[13:13:36] <enleth> And that's good for him
[13:14:20] <archivist> he bought himself a retirement present....a large milling machine
[13:14:21] <enleth> People who insist on actually retiring literally die of boredom not long thereafter.
[13:16:15] <malcom2073> My dad retired, he's busier now than he was when he worked
[13:16:32] <enleth> My high school physics teacher was over 70 when took his classes and he always said that his biggest fear is forced retirement, he was sure he'd die quickly having no one to teach.
[13:17:06] <enleth> malcom2073: that means he just traded one job, paid with cash, for another, paid with fun
[13:17:17] <enleth> *when I took
[13:17:25] <malcom2073> Yep
[13:18:02] <enleth> archivist: how large?
[13:26:10] <archivist> enleth, style of a bridgeport but a bit bigger
[13:27:39] <archivist> had an indexer on it when I was there for making an adapter plate
[13:41:27] <furrywolf> grrr. UPS is at it again. 6 days since something shipped and it has only moved once.
[13:41:45] <furrywolf> how can any company so consistently fail to meet their delivery times?
[13:41:58] <CaptHindsight> my story with Fedex
[13:42:25] <ssi> the landscape sucks
[13:42:39] <CaptHindsight> USPS has actually been the best the past year
[13:42:40] <ssi> USPS can deliver any moderate sized package way faster than either UPS or fedex, and way cheaper too
[13:42:47] <ssi> however when they lose it, you're fucked
[13:43:07] <ssi> if we could have UPS/fedex level accountability with USPS-level price and speed, we'd have something
[13:43:08] <Simonious> anyone used a Markforged printer and can tell me something about it?
[13:43:19] <furrywolf> I use USPS whenever I can.
[13:43:21] <CaptHindsight> I've had good success then with USPS, they have found every lost package
[13:43:25] <ssi> not me
[13:43:30] <furrywolf> UPS loses far more packages.
[13:43:35] <ssi> I've had I think four unrecoverable packages in the last couple years
[13:43:39] <furrywolf> and denies every single damage claim as a mattery of policy.
[13:44:39] <ssi> i don't understand why ups needs $15 and a week to get two pounds of package coast to coast when usps can do it in two days for $6
[13:45:25] <malcom2073> There's a reason USPS is out of money heh
[13:45:37] <CaptHindsight> congress
[13:45:55] <CaptHindsight> but actually doing well in spite of them
[13:51:24] <Tom_itx> do they pay congress' wages?
[13:51:39] <ssi> who is 'they'
[13:51:48] <Tom_itx> usps
[13:52:02] <ssi> sure they do
[13:52:20] <Tom_itx> gee i thought i did
[13:52:22] <ssi> as much as 'they' as employees of usps pay taxes and therefore pay congress' wages like the rest of us
[13:52:48] <ssi> you thought you did? how can that be, cause I thought I did
[13:52:58] <Tom_itx> heh
[13:53:13] <ssi> any other silly semantic arguments? :)
[13:54:26] <furrywolf> what is the meaning of "is"?
[13:55:05] <ssi> ugh I got embroiled in a heated discussion the other day with some folks who got wrapped around the axle about the word "entitlement"
[13:55:17] <Tom_itx> 3rd person singular present indicative of be.
[13:55:30] <ssi> specifically about social security
[13:55:32] <Tom_itx> verb
[13:55:40] <ssi> paying into social security does not "entitle" you to receive money back
[13:55:47] <ssi> regardless of what you think that word means
[13:56:11] <furrywolf> if I'm not entitled to get it back, I should stop giving them any.
[13:56:21] <malcom2073> Your grand children paying into social security entitles you to receive money back, in so much that if it's still around when they're paying in, you're likely to be collecting it
[13:56:23] <ssi> furrywolf: you and me both
[13:56:31] <malcom2073> :P
[13:56:53] <ssi> malcom2073: no, meeting the qualifications for the entitlement entitles you to receive money. Not money "back", because there's no actual requirement to have paid anything in to receive the entitlement
[13:56:56] <furrywolf> that's 15something% of my income I want back.
[13:57:11] <Tom_itx> furrywolf, you're entitled to give it to someone else
[13:57:21] <ssi> no, you're COMPELLED to give it to someone else
[13:57:23] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Pick me, pick me to give it to!
[13:57:23] <ssi> words mean things!
[13:58:00] <Tom_itx> oh.. they're entitled to receive it
[13:58:23] <ssi> yes
[13:58:44] <ssi> I had a hard time trying to explain why entitled doesn't mean what they thought it did, til it finally occured to me
[13:58:48] <ssi> you hold a title to your house and your car
[13:59:02] <ssi> you don't OWN either... you are granted title to them based on meeting a bunch of criteria
[13:59:06] <ssi> you are entitled to them
[13:59:11] <furrywolf> and despite having that title, the government still feels the need to tell you what you can and can't do with it.
[13:59:17] <ssi> well that's the point
[13:59:33] <ssi> being entitled means that you meet the government's criteria to possess and occupy or operate
[13:59:40] <Tom_itx> ssi, all those papers mean is they know who to come after if something happens
[13:59:41] <ssi> if you stop meeting the criteria, you lose entitlement status
[13:59:49] <ssi> and they can take it from you
[14:00:03] <malcom2073> I've had cars without titles
[14:00:05] <malcom2073> what about them?
[14:00:25] <ssi> there's still a title even if you don't hold the physical paper
[14:00:28] * furrywolf thinks private property rights need to be greatly strengthened... HOAs shouldn't exist, and neighbors should mind their own damn business.
[14:00:36] <malcom2073> Or better yet, you can purchase a non-origonal title for a vehicle
[14:00:52] <malcom2073> ssi: What about a homebuilt trailer? There's no title, but you can still get one
[14:01:06] <ssi> malcom2073: you have to have title to it in order to operate it on public roads
[14:01:16] <ssi> the title comes into being when you register it as a homebuilt trailer and they assign a vin
[14:01:18] <malcom2073> Ah, so the title entitles you to operate it as a motor vehicle, it doesn't entitle you to own it
[14:01:29] <ssi> yes
[14:01:36] <ssi> but in the case of land it entitles you to own it
[14:01:39] <malcom2073> True
[14:01:52] <furrywolf> or, around here, you just drive vehicles with no title. :P
[14:01:53] <malcom2073> As much as you can actually "own" land
[14:01:57] <malcom2073> :/
[14:02:00] <ssi> and I dunno about cars, but I know with airplanes if you neglect to maintain registration (ie validity of title), they can take it
[14:02:13] <furrywolf> I'd say a full 20% of the vehicles owned by people I know have no titles or any paperwork in the driver's name.
[14:02:16] <ssi> malcom2073: well that's what I mean... you don't own land, you simply hold title to it
[14:02:39] <malcom2073> Right, cars aren't the same way, you're holding title to operating it on other peoples land (roads)
[14:02:57] <furrywolf> at least one of them has a "U.S. out of humboldt" bumper sticker. :)
[14:02:58] <ssi> actually in texas it's possible to have sovereign ownership of land, but as I understand it, it's a hassle to do and doesn't transfer on death
[14:03:03] <malcom2073> heh
[14:03:20] <ssi> malcom2073: but operating it on public roads means it's subject to seizure
[14:03:41] <malcom2073> You still own it, however it can be leaned like any asset
[14:03:45] <malcom2073> liened*
[14:03:55] <Tom_itx> ssi sounds like a pesky lawyer
[14:04:02] <ssi> I wish
[14:04:09] <ssi> I want lawyer friends desperately
[14:04:15] <Tom_itx> you do?
[14:04:16] <ssi> but I've determined it's not possible to be friends with lawyers
[14:04:18] <Tom_itx> wtf for?
[14:04:19] <malcom2073> Haha
[14:04:20] <furrywolf> he's practicing for when the faa catches up with him.
[14:04:29] <ssi> furrywolf: I know that aspect of law fairly well :P
[14:04:31] <malcom2073> Laywers are like trolls... professional trolls
[14:04:50] <ssi> Tom_itx: they're useful to have around. I need to threaten to sue a bank here really soon
[14:04:54] <_methods> they'll be your friend as long as you funnel money into their wallet
[14:05:06] <ssi> most of what you need a lawyer for is writing threatening letters
[14:05:08] <Tom_itx> i know several lawyers
[14:05:46] <_methods> me too they keep sending me letters
[14:05:51] <ssi> :D
[14:05:54] <_methods> hahah
[14:06:09] <malcom2073> Hmm, I need a boring bar
[14:06:37] <ssi> malcom2073: the place near my house qualifies
[14:06:43] <malcom2073> Haha
[14:06:43] <ssi> they only have three kinds of beer and there's never more than two customers
[14:06:53] <malcom2073> There's a place near me with over a hundred beers on tap
[14:06:58] <malcom2073> I wonder how theyk eep them all fresh, or just tiny kegs?
[14:07:00] <ssi> that sounds more like an exciting bar
[14:07:12] <malcom2073> http://www.harborfreight.com/9-piece-boring-bar-set-1722.html
[14:07:17] <ssi> oh I'm sure they run 1/6 kegs on everything that's not popular in places like that
[14:16:34] * furrywolf thinks all bars are both boring and annoying
[14:16:47] <ganzuul> Can turning galvanized steel cause health problems?
[14:16:53] <ganzuul> ~machining
[14:17:17] <furrywolf> no
[14:17:26] <furrywolf> well, don't eat too much of it.
[14:17:32] <ganzuul> :3
[14:18:11] <ganzuul> I'm truing to make the washers for my new grinder run true.
[14:18:18] <ganzuul> They're stamped steel.
[14:19:08] <ganzuul> Not really sure if I'm doing something intelligent with them.
[14:19:16] <Sync> make your own
[14:20:07] <ganzuul> need moar tools >.>
[14:20:16] <ganzuul> Got a bit of a catch 22 going on.
[14:21:42] <ganzuul> But I can apparently turn steel ok!
[14:23:06] <archivist> ganzuul, I just rub stuff like that on some wet and dry paper to clean them up
[14:23:20] <ganzuul> oh
[14:23:23] <ganzuul> okay
[14:24:16] <archivist> but who cares if you have that little bit of card/paper to level it out
[14:24:58] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: if you turn it _way_ too fast, and burn the zinc, then yes, ti can cause problems
[14:29:01] <ssi> it takes a fair amount of zinc vapor to make you sick, and I doubt you'll get there turning
[14:29:42] <Sync> apparently you can get enough chrome airborne when welding a lot of stainless to get sick
[14:31:34] <ganzuul> I managed to turn fast ahnd hard enough to make my cuttin'ol fume!
[14:31:55] <ssi> yeah you'll smoke your oil, that's common
[14:32:00] <ganzuul> With the tool bit I ground myself at that
[14:32:06] <ssi> how's the grinder working out
[14:32:23] <ganzuul> I swapped the 200W one for a 370W one.
[14:32:31] <ssi> gotcha
[14:32:32] <ganzuul> Trying to true up the washers now.
[14:32:39] <ssi> with the lathe?
[14:32:46] <ganzuul> When this one slows down it make the entire room vibrate.
[14:32:54] <ssi> haha yeah mine's that way too
[14:33:35] <ganzuul> 200mm disks.
[14:33:47] <ganzuul> But at least it's unlikely to overheat.
[14:33:59] <ssi> the tool will overheat no matter what
[14:34:10] <ssi> grind slow, dip in water frequently, don't let the tool change color if you can help it
[14:34:40] <SpeedEvil> 'glowing bright yellow' is generally bad
[14:34:44] <ssi> yep
[14:34:56] <ssi> any area that's blue will no longer hold an edge
[14:35:10] <ganzuul> I got the inner surface of the washers trued, maybe, but the outer one I'm not sure how to do. I'd have to mount them on an axle, but the holes aren't even centered.
[14:35:44] <ganzuul> I got a slight straw color on one part of the HSS tool bit I ground.
[14:36:03] <ssi> yeah... go slower
[14:36:05] <ganzuul> I hear white alumina disks run much cooler.
[14:36:07] <ssi> you won't get it perfect but do your best
[14:36:59] <ganzuul> And coarser grains remove metal as it heats up, sort of like stuff is supposed to when machining.
[14:37:40] <ssi> also dress the wheel frequently
[14:37:56] <ssi> dressing it removes the dull grains, exposing sharp grains, and sharp grains cut faster with less heating
[14:38:00] <ganzuul> I figure, best to have a little droplet of water one the work piece and when it evaporates, dunk it again.
[14:38:07] <SpeedEvil> leetle gardening water sprayer works
[14:38:32] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-HAND-HELD-PRESSURE-SPRAY-BOTTLE-1-LITRE-SPRAYER-WATER-WATERING-SPRAYING-PUMP-/321416966181?hash=item4ad5f1b025
[14:38:33] <ganzuul> ~on the
[14:38:49] <SpeedEvil> just set to make a teeny jet which hits the part+wheel
[14:39:04] <ganzuul> hmm
[14:47:32] <furrywolf> "On 24 September 2015, a stampede resulted in the deaths of at least 1,300 pilgrims" I hate people.
[14:48:59] <membiblio> A machined ring with electronics inside - http://www.kokes.net/projectlonghaul/projectlonghaul.htm :)
[14:49:33] <membiblio> Did someone else post this here a while (months) ago? Or similar?
[14:55:24] * furrywolf has about given up on ever having a ring
[14:57:10] <ganzuul> pretty
[14:58:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.coveryourhair.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/pilgrim-clothes.jpg why would they stampede?
[15:04:02] <_methods> all those belt buckles
[15:04:13] <_methods> belt buckle on hat buckles on shoes
[15:04:43] <_methods> no wonder england kicked those yahoos out
[15:06:32] <CaptHindsight> bucklers would of been a better fitting name
[15:10:24] <CaptHindsight> nah, too much like pirates then
[15:15:14] <ganzuul> Didn't they steal stuff from the natives or something?
[15:16:35] <_methods> wampum
[15:17:02] <ganzuul> Gesundheit.
[15:17:09] <_methods> they had to do something living in this buckleless land
[15:17:26] <_methods> what better way to deal with a buckle shortage then to slaughter the indigenous
[15:19:37] <_methods> https://www.shortsbrewing.com/beers/ermagerdness/
[15:21:12] <MacGalempsy> hello
[15:23:09] <ganzuul> hi
[15:38:06] <Loetmichel> meh... and there goes the HDD again... *rrrrrt CLICK rrrrrt CLICK rrrrrt CLICK rrrrrt CLICK TIIIIuuuuuuuuupt*... *BSOD* ... I should REALLY fix that broken Sata power plug...
[15:44:46] * ganzuul has flashbacks of HDD failures
[15:46:59] * Deejay hands over a hanky to ganzuul for the sweat on his forehead ;)
[15:51:28] <ganzuul> Bad times.
[15:54:35] <Loetmichel> ganzuul: the hdd itself is fine
[15:54:44] <Loetmichel> the power plug has a broken pin
[15:55:12] <Loetmichel> have to cannibalize a 80g disk that lays around and will transplant its State plug soon(TM)
[15:58:50] <XXCoder> lol
[16:01:06] <Loetmichel> i tell myself i will do that soon since 6 months now ;)
[16:05:01] <XXCoder> do it now
[16:07:17] <enleth> archivist: well, I asked John if he still does those motor shaft repairs. In case he doesn't, I'm already searching for factory shaft dimensions, should I require a completely new shaft made.
[16:07:44] <enleth> And I hope the core can be pressed off the shaft in the 2hp motor.
[16:09:27] <enleth> One thing that certainly contributes to motor shaft wear in bridgeports is the lack of any support at the end of the shaft
[16:10:34] <enleth> It's pretty long, even longer on the CNC models, the belt is at the far end and the shaft is acting as a cantilever pulled by the belt, with the pulleys trying to bend it and digging into it.
[16:10:39] <Mac_VMC> Hello
[16:11:01] <enleth> I can't imagine why wouldn't they add another bearing cap to support the end
[16:11:08] <Sync> cost
[16:11:28] <enleth> Sync: but it's peanuts compared to everything else around
[16:13:52] <enleth> Even the turcite inserts in the movable pulley havles must have cost a lot more than a stupid bearing cap
[16:15:07] <Sync> yes, but changing the production process is not
[16:15:21] <Sync> as you probably have to get new molds made, new fixtures blabla
[16:15:29] <enleth> meh, they did anyway for the CNC model, the castings are different
[16:15:42] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I wonder if they ever discovered belt loops for their pants? Or did they and just wear two sets of belts?
[16:15:58] <enleth> They look almost the same, but the motor is upside down, attachment points differ, those were new molds for sure
[16:16:29] <enleth> Anyway, one way to fix the thing I came up with is to machine a new pulley shaft that looks like the external part of the original motor shaft but ends with a stub at the motor end, support it with two new bearing plates and attach the motor with a high torque coupling
[16:16:41] <MacGalempsy> strange, when I run the vfd through the Ultra Master software, it shows a 2000 count encoder, but when I set the VFD to 100rpm, LCNC gives me an RPS of 400. the only way to get the RPS to show right is if I increase the encoder count to 8000, then the correct rps shows up.
[16:16:42] <enleth> Thus, the motor would not support any axial load.
[16:16:48] <enleth> bleh
[16:16:54] <enleth> radial, not axial
[16:17:02] <MacGalempsy> RPS equivalent of 400
[16:17:08] <Deejay> gn8
[16:17:17] <enleth> Wait, come to think of it, it would not support any axial load as well
[16:17:20] <Sync> MacGalempsy: rps != count
[16:17:38] <Sync> if you have quadrature you get 4x the count
[16:19:44] <MacGalempsy> ok
[16:19:58] <MacGalempsy> thanks Sync
[16:20:20] <MacGalempsy> so using the 8000 is ok
[16:20:29] <MacGalempsy> well, required
[16:22:48] <Sync> it always depends how the drive interprets it
[16:23:03] <Sync> if it wants the number of lines or the actual pulses per rev
[16:24:17] <MacGalempsy> the drive only gets a +10/-10 from the 7i77
[16:24:45] <MacGalempsy> which I can run from a 9v battery, but not from the 7i77...
[16:25:34] <Sync> measured the actual output of the 7i77?
[16:26:31] <MacGalempsy> it puts out nothing
[16:26:54] <MacGalempsy> with a volt meter. is there a hm2_... that shows output voltage?
[16:27:47] <Sync> there should be in the hal thing
[16:29:58] <MacGalempsy> spindle-output goes to 0.02425 when the spindle turns on, but does not increase when I click the + button
[16:30:39] <tiwake> woo, just got a walk-in job
[16:33:00] <enleth> holy crap, I just saw a video of a reversing tapping head
[16:33:12] <enleth> I can imagine how it works, it doesn't even seem too complicated
[16:33:17] <enleth> but it still looks like magic.
[16:33:26] <tiwake> tapping head?
[16:33:47] <tiwake> not OD forming?
[16:34:26] <enleth> Enco, Tapmatic 30X and so on
[16:36:14] <enleth> The ones that disengage after reaching the bottom of the hole and reverse while the spindle they are mounted on is constantly rotating in one direction
[16:38:16] <malcom2073> Yeah the tapping heads are amazing
[16:39:32] <Sync> are you sure it is routed right MacGalempsy?
[16:40:30] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t31.0-8/12032850_1140143212666725_7761638403145224880_o.jpg
[16:40:32] <malcom2073> Big suckers
[16:45:49] <MacGalempsy> Sync: I am pretty sure. the cmd+ and cmd- are in the appropriate7i77 pins and I am enabling the drive with a pyvcp button
[16:46:10] <Wolf_> Nice malcom2073
[16:46:16] <Sync> try to manually set the voltage
[16:46:58] <MacGalempsy> output_scale = 83.33 max_output=79.5 min_limit=-83.33 max_limit=+83.3
[16:47:09] <MacGalempsy> that should give me 9.5 volts
[16:48:33] <MacGalempsy> Sync: i dont know how to do that other than with an external source
[16:50:13] <MacGalempsy> i tried sets spindle-output 5 and it gives me an error that says it already has writers
[16:51:29] <Sync> in the halcmd you should be able to set it
[17:04:29] <Sync> MacGalempsy: did you find it?
[17:10:56] <MacGalempsy> no
[17:13:07] <Sync> you are in the hal configuration dialog?
[17:28:45] <MacGalempsy> Sync: I got to go to class
[17:29:02] <MacGalempsy> thanks for your help.
[18:10:23] <PetefromTn_> evening folks
[18:16:55] <Contract_Pilot> Evening
[18:18:36] <zeeshan> hi
[18:18:52] <Wolf_> morning
[18:19:03] <PetefromTn_> heh
[18:19:10] <PetefromTn_> whatsgoinon?
[18:19:18] <PetefromTn_> anything interesting?
[18:19:31] <zeeshan> i got a quote to get the lathe moved
[18:19:36] <zeeshan> i think its pretty fair..
[18:19:39] <zeeshan> 600 bux
[18:19:41] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan they had a really sweet little car in the shop today you would probably appreciate
[18:19:44] <zeeshan> the guy comes with a 12000lb forklift
[18:19:51] <PetefromTn_> thats not bad really
[18:19:59] <zeeshan> and flatbed delivery for about 80miles
[18:20:59] <PetefromTn_> I would say that is quite reasonable
[18:21:01] <zeeshan> what was cool about it
[18:22:58] <PetefromTn_> are you asking me about the car?
[18:23:09] <zeeshan> yes
[18:23:54] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/SspWcgE It was a SWEET Immaculately clean MazdaSpeed Miata with an LS3 535 in it..
[18:24:06] <zeeshan> nice
[18:24:08] <zeeshan> beastly
[18:24:48] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/2fpow9j
[18:25:11] <PetefromTn_> the guy built it himself in his garage
[18:25:27] <PetefromTn_> and he just put about 1500 miles on it since he finished it
[18:25:36] <zeeshan> clean swap
[18:25:38] <PetefromTn_> he wanted to get it dyno tuned
[18:25:40] <Wolf_> sounds fun, for plowing right through turns
[18:25:55] <PetefromTn_> I gotta tell you it was unbelievably clean install
[18:26:12] <PetefromTn_> anyways they put it on the dyno this morning
[18:26:22] <PetefromTn_> and tried a baseline run before hooking up the computer
[18:26:31] <Wolf_> does look sweet
[18:26:35] <PetefromTn_> it made 430 to the wheels
[18:26:49] <PetefromTn_> then they tried to start tuning it
[18:27:07] <Wolf_> can’t see all that weight handling worth a shit, but cool install
[18:27:08] <PetefromTn_> and there was a problem with the port or something they could not get it to connect to the PC
[18:27:32] <PetefromTn_> actually it is supposedly just a little heavier than the original motor believe it or not
[18:27:42] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: you got no idea
[18:27:43] <PetefromTn_> and the custom install put the V8 farther back in the chassis
[18:27:44] <zeeshan> what youre talking about
[18:27:49] <zeeshan> dont talk shit plz
[18:28:18] <PetefromTn_> so apparently the weight distribution is at least what it was before if not better
[18:28:24] <zeeshan> its a bit worse
[18:28:33] <zeeshan> not many people are going to notice it
[18:28:39] <zeeshan> its like 52 48
[18:28:39] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say tho it is MUCH better in person than in the pictures
[18:28:50] <zeeshan> those miata v8s
[18:28:52] <PetefromTn_> it sounded very very nice too
[18:28:55] <zeeshan> smoke almost any supercar i've seen
[18:29:02] <zeeshan> they;re almost as quick as the caterhams
[18:29:10] <zeeshan> or the ariel atoms
[18:29:15] <PetefromTn_> the funny thing is after he left
[18:29:23] <PetefromTn_> we were going over the dyno data
[18:29:28] <Wolf_> I guess I need to stop playing with motors that weight 2000lbs
[18:29:40] <zeeshan> wofl pushrod v8
[18:29:44] <zeeshan> win !
[18:29:44] <PetefromTn_> and it appears that the tires were spinning on the dyno a bit because it was showing slip
[18:29:50] <zeeshan> lol
[18:30:15] <PetefromTn_> that car really will probably make around 500 or more once he gets it tuned right.
[18:30:24] <PetefromTn_> not sure why it would not pair with the computer tho...
[18:30:38] <zeeshan> whats a 535?
[18:30:38] <Wolf_> almost all diesel shit here at my shop right now
[18:30:43] <zeeshan> 535 cubic inch?
[18:30:45] <PetefromTn_> It was a VERY VERY nice car and the guy was really cool
[18:30:58] <Wolf_> have 7.3l and 6.0l stacked all over
[18:31:26] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I am not into the chevy v8's really but he had a little factory looking emblem on the fender that said LS3 535 on it...
[18:31:31] <PetefromTn_> it was a crate motor apparently
[18:31:45] <PetefromTn_> all brand new motor, tranny, and rear end etc..
[18:32:00] <zeeshan> oh i didnt read ls3
[18:32:01] <zeeshan> nice
[18:32:02] <Wolf_> I haven’t touched a gas motor v8 in like 10 years...
[18:32:02] <PetefromTn_> he said that there is a HUGE amount of videos about the build on youtube
[18:32:03] <zeeshan> expensive
[18:32:31] <PetefromTn_> he was sponsored at least partially by jegs or something
[18:33:16] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMANVXpcbIM yup here it is...
[18:33:22] <zeeshan> brb
[18:33:45] <PetefromTn_> he was pretty disappointed he could not get it tuned but he is supposed to be bringing it back once he sorts out the computer issue
[18:43:24] <zeeshan> nice vid
[18:55:53] <Tom_itx> who'z havin aluminum chips for supper?
[18:56:08] <PetefromTn_> Ooh me me!!
[18:58:39] <enleth> Yay, John is still doing bridgeport motor repairs.
[18:59:46] <enleth> But he confirmed my fears: the core does not come off the shaft easily, it at all. It would cost a small fortune to ship the thing whole both ways.
[18:59:53] <enleth> *if at all
[19:02:05] <enleth> So all I have is his advice and local shops, all of which have surely never seen a bridgeport, let alone repair a varidrive shaft.
[19:02:53] <enleth> That sucks.
[19:09:08] <PetefromTn_> anyone got a good supplier for 1095 carbon tool steel?
[19:22:18] <CaptHindsight> http://paceperformance.com/i-7739382-19301360-chevrolet-performance-ls3-525hp-crate-engine.html
[19:23:18] <CaptHindsight> old school engine with modern accessories
[19:28:15] <CaptHindsight> http://paceperformance.com/i-8521477-gmp-467504l85e-edelbrock-gm-ls-416cid-702hp-with-4l85e-auto-trans-package.html $26398.88
[19:41:43] <PetefromTn_> crazy right
[19:42:38] <CaptHindsight> comes turn-key and with a 2 year warranty
[19:43:19] <CaptHindsight> so I guess if you have the $ but not the skill you can just drop it in whatever project car
[19:54:49] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/CGIWdk9
[20:02:08] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: YOU GOT ME A NEW CAR?! TYVM
[20:02:46] <PetefromTn_> hell I am the one that needs a new car LOL
[20:35:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.turnkeyenginesupply.com/turn-key-engine-lsx454kbbst-lsx-454ci-880-hp-turn-key-supercharged-engine-assembly-street/
[20:41:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.steveschmidtracing.com/drag-racing-engines/new/705-the-hulk/dyno-chart MAX. TORQUE-1119.9 MAX. HORSEPOWER-1359.1
[20:43:05] <CaptHindsight> 935 Billet Block Horsepower: 1900+ http://www.steveschmidtracing.com/drag-racing-engines/intimidator-series/935-intimidator
[20:47:43] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: http://www.steveschmidtracing.com/machine-shop check out their machine shop pricing
[20:48:39] <PetefromTn_> pretty reasonable I think no?
[20:48:46] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[20:49:10] <CaptHindsight> they have all the jigs
[20:49:25] <PetefromTn_> and machinery
[20:49:49] <CaptHindsight> so their setup time is minimal
[20:50:14] <zeeshan> automotive machine shops
[20:50:18] <zeeshan> are the scum of machine shops
[20:50:30] <PetefromTn_> the guys at the race shop came to me today and told me they want me to do that studding on two different 3 rotor cars
[20:50:31] <zeeshan> they didnt make it in the real world so they start their own shop and rip off ppl
[20:50:40] <zeeshan> this steve place looks good though (not talking about them)
[20:50:45] <zeeshan> (talking about local ones)
[20:50:58] <CaptHindsight> yeah, you need to find a good shop
[20:51:23] <zeeshan> honestly i learned from my first engine build
[20:51:33] <CaptHindsight> I take my heads to a guy I've known for 30 years
[20:51:36] <zeeshan> don't ever trust a machine shop
[20:51:42] <zeeshan> always do your measurements after you get things back
[20:52:30] <PetefromTn_> watching all the cool cars and hot rods coming in and out of the shop lately has made me want to get another car to play with
[20:52:44] <zeeshan> money pit
[20:52:44] <zeeshan> :D
[20:52:54] <CaptHindsight> just going to say that
[20:52:56] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but....
[20:53:05] <PetefromTn_> I enjoyed it when I had one
[20:53:15] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: arent you hidding midlife
[20:53:18] <zeeshan> :D
[20:53:21] <zeeshan> hitting
[20:53:27] <PetefromTn_> eh who knows
[20:53:30] <zeeshan> hahaha
[20:53:31] <PetefromTn_> probably LOL
[20:53:33] <zeeshan> im just kidding man
[20:53:35] <PetefromTn_> I'm 45
[20:53:40] <PetefromTn_> not getting any younger
[20:53:41] <zeeshan> oh youre well past it
[20:53:50] <PetefromTn_> oh thanks azz LOL
[20:53:54] <zeeshan> hahah
[20:53:56] <zeeshan> iu didnt mean it like that!
[20:54:03] <zeeshan> i love cars
[20:54:05] <zeeshan> when theyre working right
[20:54:20] <PetefromTn_> ya know I have been thinking about what car I want lately to play with
[20:54:22] <malcom2073> Late life crisis?
[20:54:24] <malcom2073> ;)
[20:54:31] <PetefromTn_> and while the RX7s and miatas are nice
[20:54:44] <PetefromTn_> I really kinda miss my 1986 Fiero GT I had
[20:54:50] <jdh> I want a newer yukon xl
[20:54:54] <CaptHindsight> work on cars over 20 years old and it's not so fun
[20:55:01] <malcom2073> Stick a 5.7L v8 in the fiero :-D
[20:55:06] <CaptHindsight> nothing comes off easy
[20:55:18] <PetefromTn_> actually I want to put a 3800 turbo buick in it
[20:55:24] <malcom2073> Meh, not as fun, but still good
[20:55:34] <PetefromTn_> no actually its WAY MORE FUN
[20:55:41] <Wolf_Mill> all come out easy if you use a hot wrench :P
[20:56:02] <CaptHindsight> 1986? did they still make cars after 1973?
[20:56:08] <PetefromTn_> the big problem with the Fiero is finding a good one. most are junk or beat on nowadays
[20:56:15] <CaptHindsight> I lost track :)
[20:56:32] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah man they even made an 84
[20:56:51] <PetefromTn_> sorry but I just love that little car
[20:56:57] <PetefromTn_> had three of them now
[20:57:25] <CaptHindsight> I remember when they came out. The composite body was new
[20:57:39] <PetefromTn_> what sucks tho is that now that they are getting older/harder to find a decent one the guys who have them think they own a ferrari or something when it comes time to sell LOL
[20:58:51] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ4UXcfrARQ this is my speed ;)
[20:58:52] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_ , zeeshan , what was your first car?
[20:59:01] <zeeshan> mitsu eclipse
[20:59:02] <zeeshan> yours?
[20:59:35] <PetefromTn_> my first car was a brand new Pontiac Grand Am GT but I WANTED the Fiero GT but my mother would not let me LOL
[20:59:43] <Wolf_Mill> I so fucked up getting rid of my first car, sold it like 10-11 years ago, had it for 20...
[20:59:48] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: You should get that one fiero that came with the ferarri body kit
[21:00:20] <PetefromTn_> you mean a Mera?
[21:00:29] <CaptHindsight> http://tenwheel.com/imgs/a/b/l/l/y/1968_oldsmobile_cutlass_convertible_1_lgw.jpg, for $25 in not as good condition
[21:01:05] <malcom2073> Yeah
[21:01:08] <PetefromTn_> I crashed the shit out of my Grand am and then I got a 4 cylinder 1985 mustang LOL
[21:01:10] <Wolf_Mill> my first car was a '71 chevelle non SS but with the SS interier trim pack
[21:01:16] <CaptHindsight> took 6 quarts of trans fluid to get it to move :)
[21:01:20] <malcom2073> A buddy of mine has an actual 308 he's restoring heh
[21:02:01] <PetefromTn_> I think the 308 was actually a really beautiful car....at the time they were considered the poor mans ferrari but I always thought it was very nice
[21:02:54] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXWzYNHFrBw DROOL!!
[21:03:46] <CaptHindsight> I used to buy everyones old cars for <$50
[21:04:11] <PetefromTn_> I never paid more than $1200 for my fiero's
[21:04:22] <CaptHindsight> and few donations
[21:04:29] <CaptHindsight> +a
[21:05:50] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/A5BvOJw This was my last 1986 GT it was needing a paint job but the car was really nice inside and ran beautiful
[21:06:03] <CaptHindsight> ~20 years ago Mustangs (73 and earlier) were easy to find for cheap in parts, since people would get in over their heads with a restoration project
[21:06:23] <CaptHindsight> I did a few but i was never a Ford fan
[21:07:54] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: I used to restore Pontiacs
[21:08:12] <CaptHindsight> 1960-73
[21:08:23] <PetefromTn_> No more LOL
[21:08:40] <PetefromTn_> sucks they killed off Pontiac I think.
[21:08:52] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[21:08:54] <PetefromTn_> should have axed buick or oldsmobile LOL
[21:09:05] <CaptHindsight> should have been Buick
[21:09:16] <PetefromTn_> at least pontiac tried to make an interesting car once in awhile
[21:12:04] <Contract_Pilot> Somewhat cleaned up my little shop
[21:12:35] <PetefromTn_> I really should be out in the shop tonight but I am tired today.
[21:13:04] <CaptHindsight> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/1966_black_Buick_Riviera_GS_front.JPG Buick had a few fun ones
[21:13:16] <Contract_Pilot> Was tempted to start the g0704 conversion but my fricken lathe is not done yet!
[21:13:29] <PetefromTn_> sure
[21:13:39] <PetefromTn_> and the GNX of course :D
[21:13:42] <zeeshan> gnx win
[21:14:42] <Contract_Pilot> 6 downloads last night of the ISO befor i woke up and change the pass. I do not see anyone sharing. Leaches
[21:15:27] <CaptHindsight> GNX sounds like a smog motor powered car from the 80's :)
[21:16:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah just a ground pounding V6 Turbo smog car LOL
[21:16:36] <CaptHindsight> http://images.classiccars.com/classifieds/461027_16053712_1970_Buick_GNX.jpg this is real car
[21:16:47] <Contract_Pilot> Road Kill
[21:16:54] <PetefromTn_> yup REAL HEAVY LOL
[21:17:09] <PetefromTn_> just kidding
[21:17:14] <PetefromTn_> I like old muscle cars too
[21:17:15] <CaptHindsight> nah just under 3800lbs :)
[21:17:21] <PetefromTn_> oh is that all?
[21:17:44] <PetefromTn_> I think that 500HP miata today was probably under 2300 lbs maybe
[21:18:44] <CaptHindsight> the 1970 with the 455 was ~4k lbs
[21:19:41] <CaptHindsight> the real boats were the Cuda's, Challengers, Chargers
[21:20:33] <PetefromTn_> that is like what my Bronco weighed almost LOL
[21:21:51] <CaptHindsight> http://cdn.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/16087/16087_Side_Profile_Web.jpg your Fiero could fit in the trunk
[21:22:34] <PetefromTn_> my brother had a Coronet
[21:22:41] <PetefromTn_> he was fixing it up
[21:22:52] <PetefromTn_> but had to sell it when he started having kids
[21:22:58] <PetefromTn_> that is a BIG CAR
[21:24:35] <CaptHindsight> my biggest was a 73 olds 98 4 door
[21:24:48] <CaptHindsight> we turned it into a sleeper
[21:25:30] <CaptHindsight> used to do 1/4 mile burnouts until the tires were flat
[21:26:11] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[21:26:18] <PetefromTn_> when I lived down in Florida
[21:26:24] <PetefromTn_> we had a couple of redneck neighbors
[21:26:30] <PetefromTn_> two brothers
[21:26:41] <PetefromTn_> all they did when they were not working is work on their hotrods
[21:26:56] <PetefromTn_> one of them had a really quite nice Formula Firebird
[21:27:08] <CaptHindsight> http://momentcar.com/images/oldsmobile-ninetyeight-regency-1.jpg I'm not sure how it made corners
[21:27:11] <PetefromTn_> and it had a 468 big block that was pretty built
[21:27:29] <CaptHindsight> recall the year?
[21:27:34] <PetefromTn_> one day he come by the house
[21:27:44] <PetefromTn_> and was idling in the street in front of my house
[21:27:50] <CaptHindsight> 67-69 or 70+
[21:27:53] <PetefromTn_> it was so loud we came outside to see what the hell it was
[21:28:16] <PetefromTn_> and he smiled at us and left black marks all the way down the street that was probably about a quarter mile long LOL
[21:28:30] <PetefromTn_> no it was later than that
[21:28:44] <PetefromTn_> more like the bandit but slightly earlier
[21:29:14] * furrywolf flops over exhausted
[21:30:17] <PetefromTn_> http://images.carklub.com/a/63/i190429607963.jpg kinda like this one...only more pro streeted
[21:31:57] <CaptHindsight> 72-74
[21:32:11] <CaptHindsight> not 74
[21:32:18] <CaptHindsight> 71-73
[21:33:07] * furrywolf generally finds overly shiny and lowered cars extremely unattractive.
[21:33:20] <furrywolf> and ugly rims too!
[21:34:20] <PetefromTn_> http://clarksville.craigslist.org/cto/5211347311.html This is not too bad but I don't have 3k right now :(
[21:34:43] <furrywolf> heh, I need to repaint some rims... I got a set of rusty rims to put on my new subaru, but decided the rust is going to be way too much work to take off with a flap wheel... going to try calling around to see what I can get them sandblasted for. (real sandblasting, not expensive beadblasting crap)
[21:35:26] <furrywolf> only thing I know about fieros is apparantly they live up to their name and randomly catch fire. :)
[21:35:30] * SpeedEvil ponders posting the laser-derusting thing again.
[21:35:36] <SpeedEvil> LASER
[21:35:53] <furrywolf> "bam bam"? guns?
[21:36:13] <PetefromTn_> yup they did when they first came out
[21:36:28] <PetefromTn_> like a lot of other mid and rear engine cars have
[21:36:47] * furrywolf can't think what else "bam bam" would be, but also can't think why they wouldn't just say guns like everyone else.
[21:37:08] <PetefromTn_> but once they changed the engine venting and switched to the v6 it basically stopped unless there was neglect involved
[21:39:03] <furrywolf> unless it's sex. lol
[21:39:40] <CaptHindsight> http://momentcar.com/images/pontiac-tempest-1966-13.jpg I thought about making one of these with some modern parts for a summer daily driver
[21:41:47] <jdh> things with 'gun' get deleted on cl
[21:42:46] <furrywolf> ... not that I've noticed.
[21:43:22] <CaptHindsight> spray gun, potato gun
[21:44:52] <furrywolf> must be a non-liberal area. heh.
[21:44:55] <CaptHindsight> and nail seem fine
[21:48:16] <furrywolf> hrmm, don't see a lot of gun-related things on the local craigslist at the moment. a couple people with brass for reloading, and a 22 automag with clips and a pile of ammo....
[21:48:28] <Praesmeodymium> odd concept I mean I live in a state where I can get a handgun in 15 minutes
[21:49:01] <CaptHindsight> Praesmeodymium: do you even have to get out of your car?
[21:49:18] <furrywolf> there's guns and related on craigslist fairly often here
[21:49:26] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQnWxN9_qw Hehe not bad
[21:49:27] <Praesmeodymium> yeah to show em your ldrivers license for the "background check"
[21:49:32] <furrywolf> but, this is redneck area.
[21:50:11] <furrywolf> background check? that's why you buy off craigslist. :P
[21:51:00] <Praesmeodymium> just saying I couldnt see the craigslist for portland being censored with oregons gun laws being so liberal
[21:51:15] <furrywolf> the laws here (california) are fairly ridiculous, so everyone just buys/sells under the table. yay government.
[21:52:05] <furrywolf> when I think of portland, I think of hipsters wearing t-shirts with "ironic" slogans while listening to altrock and bragging on how no one else recognizes the name of the band.
[21:52:08] <furrywolf> not gun owners.
[21:52:16] <Praesmeodymium> I know right
[21:53:18] <furrywolf> kinda like austin... not actually part of the parent state. :P
[21:53:34] <Praesmeodymium> I totally fit the hipster bill except... i'm a towny and dont casre if you like or have heard of the music I listen too, which I admit is crap
[21:53:49] <PetefromTn_> heh
[21:53:52] <Praesmeodymium> yeah a blue spot in an otherwise red state
[21:53:55] <roycroft> firearm sales are not permitted on cl at all, anywhere
[21:54:02] <roycroft> and you cannot call it censorship
[21:54:12] <roycroft> because it has nothing to do with censorship
[21:54:14] <furrywolf> roycroft: did you know that's what permitted and what happens are not the same thing?
[21:54:16] <roycroft> it's craigslist poilcy
[21:54:21] <roycroft> policy
[21:54:34] <roycroft> censorship would be government imposed restrictions
[21:54:42] <furrywolf> there is no one at craigslist who enforces policies. instead, posts are removed through community flagging. if the local community doesn't find anything wrong with the posts....
[21:54:44] <roycroft> you should know by now that i'm not a moron, furrywolf
[21:55:00] <furrywolf> no, I don't know that, because you're arguing semantics again. :P
[21:55:19] * furrywolf didn't see anyone even mention censorship
[21:55:28] <Praesmeodymium> heh I was about to apologize for slightly wrong word use then thought fuck it
[21:55:31] <Praesmeodymium> I did
[21:55:42] <furrywolf> ah, yep, you didn't.
[21:55:48] <furrywolf> did
[21:55:48] <furrywolf> lol
[21:55:52] * furrywolf is exhausted
[21:55:55] <roycroft> demagoguery is built on a foundation of semantics
[21:56:09] <roycroft> so if you're going to be dogmatic expect semantic arguments
[21:56:22] <Praesmeodymium> not gonna even play the game of lexiconal vs living linguistics
[21:56:32] <furrywolf> in any case, it's decided by the local community. apparantly the community there flags posts that even mention guns. here there's someone selling a 22 automag with clips and ammo.
[21:56:36] <PetefromTn_> I got a nice brand new Remington tactical on layaway at the local gunshop.. Gotta go make another payment LOL
[21:56:49] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: see if he'll take payment in rails.
[21:56:58] <PetefromTn_> doubt it
[21:57:02] <roycroft> someone mentioned cl and censorship
[21:57:04] <PetefromTn_> unless he is an airgun junkie
[21:57:05] <furrywolf> dunno, gun shop might like them.
[21:57:08] <roycroft> which prompted my response
[21:57:49] <furrywolf> I thought you also made rails for real guns?
[21:58:52] * roycroft just got back from the home improvement center, where he had to deal with a true moron who tried to refuse to sell him some wire
[21:59:06] <furrywolf> heh, reading the local news, rear-end collision earlier today... http://lostcoastoutpost.com/media/cache/d1/f7/d1f7c7defa7e4d443582bbe7f0f07517.jpg http://lostcoastoutpost.com/media/cache/1c/5c/1c5cfcdd502b10bbca6fd37e7b6dbbc4.jpg now there's an argument for driving a truck.
[21:59:07] <roycroft> i asked for some 16ga thhn and he asked me what i was using it for
[21:59:17] <roycroft> i told him for a control panel
[21:59:26] <roycroft> he asked how many amps the panel would draw
[21:59:29] <roycroft> and i told him 15
[21:59:39] <roycroft> and he told me he could not sell me that wire, and that i had to use 14ga
[21:59:49] <roycroft> i told him to consult the nec
[22:00:06] <furrywolf> there's quite a disparity in those images.
[22:00:12] <roycroft> where he would find that wire gauge is derated one size as soon as you put it in conduit
[22:00:19] <roycroft> and that i would be using 14ga if it were in a conduit
[22:00:50] <roycroft> he was rather insistent though, and i had to threaten to get a manager to sell me what i wanted
[22:00:56] <furrywolf> lol
[22:01:08] <CaptHindsight> roycroft: he's wrong and bit controlling
[22:01:20] <roycroft> i can see where he's coming from
[22:01:26] <furrywolf> I tried getting the manager at the local hardware store to advise me on wire and breaker sizes for my mill, but he didn't help.
[22:01:28] <roycroft> a lot of idiots try to do things they should not do
[22:01:41] <roycroft> and part of his job is to "guide" people to getting the correct products
[22:01:45] <CaptHindsight> unless he was told to upsell at the sales meeting :)
[22:01:54] <PetefromTn_> hey I'm one of those idiots!
[22:01:59] <furrywolf> I wanted to know how many amps 4hp at 240v 3ph will make a 5hp rotary converter pull. he didn't know! :P
[22:01:59] <roycroft> but the instant i told him to consult the nec about wire sizes in panels he should have shut up
[22:02:15] <roycroft> it would have been a no sale, not an upsale
[22:02:38] <roycroft> i don't use wire larger than is needed in these types of applications, because it's harder to work with
[22:02:53] <roycroft> i need some pieces that are only about 5cm long
[22:03:15] <roycroft> there's a big difference between 14ga and 16ga when you're cutting the wire that short and bending it
[22:04:43] <roycroft> when a customer says "i need some wire to hook this thing up, and i want the cheapest wire i can get" it's time to ask questions and get them what they need
[22:05:09] <roycroft> when a customer says "i need 15 feet of red and white stranded thhn" you say "ok", and cut the wire
[22:05:15] <furrywolf> the local hardware store generally has knowledgable staff.
[22:05:43] <furrywolf> did you go to a proper hardware store, or a big box chain?
[22:05:51] <roycroft> i avoid the big box chains
[22:06:03] <roycroft> it's a locally owned store, and the folks who work there are generally clueful
[22:06:08] <roycroft> this guy was semi-clueful
[22:06:35] <roycroft> he knows 10ga/30a 12ga/20a 14ga/15a, i'm sure
[22:06:40] <roycroft> which is why he argued
[22:07:15] <roycroft> but he does not know that there are different specifications for wire inside an enclosure with a lot of air space vs. in a conduit
[22:07:45] <roycroft> it's the semi-clueful that are the scary ones
[22:08:08] <furrywolf> hrmm, on that fiero, one of the things he'll said he'll take as trade is "zero"... the only definition I can find googling for zero is opium. lol
[22:08:09] <roycroft> the complete idiots either just do what you want or they act so stupid you just laugh at them
[22:10:33] <furrywolf> opium is one thing I've never seen sold nor requested on the local craigslist... opium poppies, but not opium. it's not very popular around here.
[22:10:42] <furrywolf> weed in all its forms and meth are popular here.
[22:11:53] <furrywolf> and heroin
[22:12:01] <furrywolf> and you occasionally see people selling oxys...
[22:13:58] <furrywolf> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/25/us_court_rules_phone_passcodes_are_protected_by_the_fifth_amendment/ there is NO WAY that's not getting overturned.
[22:14:14] <furrywolf> that's way, way too sensible.
[22:17:19] <PetefromTn_> I need to find a source for some 1095 tool steel flat bar or some 440 stainless bar that is reasonable
[22:17:44] <PetefromTn_> this guy wants me to machine some survival type knife blanks for him
[22:17:50] <Connor> https://www.speedymetals.com/
[22:18:49] <furrywolf> read up on proper survival knives... most of them are stupid ugly showy things that aren't nearly as useful as they could be in an actual survival situation.
[22:19:13] <PetefromTn_> I could not care less LOL
[22:19:29] <PetefromTn_> I just need to get a material quote going and give him a price.
[22:19:34] <Connor> Well.. crud... they don't have 1095 or 440...
[22:19:40] <PetefromTn_> Connor they do not appear to have any of that
[22:20:33] * furrywolf cares about making good products
[22:21:27] <PetefromTn_> is that to imply that I do not?
[22:21:57] <furrywolf> <PetefromTn_> I could not care less LOL
[22:22:29] <PetefromTn_> and?
[22:22:49] <furrywolf> I don't need to imply things explicitly stated. :P
[22:23:19] <PetefromTn_> just because I don't care about what makes a proper survival knife does not mean I do not care about quality
[22:23:33] <PetefromTn_> the customer came to me with a knife design he wants recreated
[22:23:45] <PetefromTn_> It is not my job to determine if it is a GOOD design or not
[22:24:02] <PetefromTn_> all I have to do is recreate it out of quality materials
[22:24:15] <PetefromTn_> and try to make a good deal on the job
[22:25:11] <PetefromTn_> at this point I am not even sure if I WANT to do it or not... cutting tool steel blanks is not gonna be exactly a quick thing
[22:25:36] <PetefromTn_> apparently the original knife design is worth quite a bit of money and they want to start producing recreations
[22:26:19] <PetefromTn_> it was supposedly featured on some survival show and garnered a lot of attention from it
[22:26:48] <furrywolf> lol
[22:27:58] <furrywolf> does he want you to do the primary bevel too?
[22:28:10] <PetefromTn_> no no beveling at all
[22:28:21] <PetefromTn_> just cutting out the blanks and handles
[22:28:23] <furrywolf> so he just wants a flat strip of steel? that's not too bad.
[22:28:30] <PetefromTn_> no its not
[22:29:02] <PetefromTn_> but I doubt there is a lot of money in that due to the time involved compared to the overall cost
[22:29:12] <furrywolf> time to buy that waterjet you've always not wanted? :P
[22:29:20] <PetefromTn_> heh
[22:29:24] <PetefromTn_> no thanks
[22:29:35] <PetefromTn_> besides I could not fit in my shop
[22:30:44] <PetefromTn_> best price I found online for a blank of that 440c is like $45
[22:31:26] <PetefromTn_> I can get a 2" x36" for like $80
[22:31:39] <furrywolf> I have a piece of steel in my greenhouse that would make a few nice knives. I have no idea what it is. it's about 3ft by 3in by .250. I got it at the scrapyard with some other metal strip that I was cutting up to make gussets.
[22:32:19] <PetefromTn_> if you are not sure of the material it is not gonna be worth too much
[22:32:24] <furrywolf> I went to cut it with the sawzall... nothing happened. I figured I just had a dull blade, got a new one... nothing happened. instantly stripped the teeth off the blade. I then tried making a ding it with the corner of a file... nothing happened. except it took the teeth off the file!!
[22:32:50] <PetefromTn_> huh
[22:33:02] <PetefromTn_> well I gotta get to bed. have a good night folks
[22:33:28] <furrywolf> whatever it is, it's HARD.
[22:33:29] <furrywolf> cyas
[22:33:37] <Tom_itx> brittle?
[22:33:43] <Tom_itx> or just tough
[22:34:05] <furrywolf> it doesn't seem brittle, since it's a bit springy... but it's harder than a file.
[22:34:52] <furrywolf> it's much tougher than mild steel, in that you can apply bending forces that would easily deform a same-size piece of mild steel, and it doesn't deform.
[22:35:19] <furrywolf> it took the teeth off a brand new bimetal sawzall blade without even nicking the edge.
[22:36:09] <furrywolf> I tucked it away in the greenhouse so it wouldn't get rustier in my outside junk metal pile... one of these days it'll be a knife or some parallels or something.
[22:38:04] <Contract_Pilot> Aggg cali customers hate disassembling Magazines.
[22:38:21] <furrywolf> I was playing around in my head the other day with a design for a multifolding machette... decided it was doable but would take a lot of work.
[22:40:02] <Wolf_> “repair kits” Contract_Pilot? :D
[22:40:05] <furrywolf> a machette designed to be carried in a pack backpacking or kept in a survival kit, with a full-length blade. making a strong seamless hinge mechanism isn't as easy as it might sound.
[22:41:01] <Contract_Pilot> I guess
[22:41:27] <Contract_Pilot> Send the body Spring and Follower in 1 package Floor Plates In Another.
[22:42:15] <Contract_Pilot> Just do not send it all in one box
[22:42:59] <furrywolf> lol
[22:46:23] <furrywolf> interstate trafficing in high-capacity mags? :P
[22:46:58] <Wolf_> if its not in one box assembled its a parts kit
[22:48:18] <Wolf_> have to do the same bullshit in maryland, except they are legal to own here, just can’t buy/sell/transfer/assemble them inside the state
[22:48:38] <furrywolf> pack a sheet of paper with real estate listings in new hampshire with every mag, as a suggestion for your customers to improve their lives.
[23:04:19] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime