#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-09-23

[01:40:29] <MacGalempsy> anyone around?
[02:20:46] <Deejay> moin
[02:22:13] <ganzuul> o/
[03:56:58] <ganzuul> Bleh.
[03:57:23] <ganzuul> the 200W bench grinder I bought is probably a miswired 150W.
[05:04:34] <ganzuul> http://imgur.com/wRkA0xT
[05:04:43] <ganzuul> So.. whaddaya think?
[05:11:01] <XXCoder> ganzuul: lathe tool eh
[05:14:04] <ganzuul> yeah
[05:14:20] <XXCoder> looks cool but I dont know enough to spot problems, if any.
[05:14:27] <ganzuul> I have this white buffing compound bar
[05:14:43] <ganzuul> Tried getting some on a bit of wood, but I dunno...
[05:15:09] <ganzuul> Some soft metal, maybe?
[05:15:36] <XXCoder> is it magentic?
[05:15:47] <XXCoder> its nice way to halve possibilities
[05:19:54] <ganzuul> Alimuna powder with just a little binder, I think. I meant what to use as a surface for the buffing compound.
[05:20:12] <XXCoder> ahh
[05:20:16] <ganzuul> Tried a bit of paper tape on the wood. Works kinda OK.
[05:24:24] <ganzuul> I hear tin is the best.
[05:26:45] <XXCoder> its fairly soft and cheap metal
[05:26:50] <XXCoder> you can easily melt it
[05:26:54] <ganzuul> mmh
[05:27:01] <XXCoder> just be careful of tin fever lol
[05:27:04] <ganzuul> Should be some in hobby stores
[05:27:05] <XXCoder> or was that zinc
[05:27:18] <XXCoder> or just grab cans, theyre usually tin if I recall.
[05:28:07] <XXCoder> I dont support vanalism but this is interesting read. http://fascinately.com/funny/2015/09/graffiti-artist-tests-the-patience-of-local-authorities-with-this-hilarious-experiment/
[05:30:54] <XXCoder> ganzuul: I mean food tins not soda cans those are alum, in case I wasnt clear lol
[05:31:37] <ganzuul> mmh...
[05:34:56] <XXCoder> tin can be melted inside alum foil bucket apparently
[05:36:15] <XXCoder> it may be tin/lead mix though
[05:38:36] <ganzuul> I have this little cast iron pan which is actually for entrecote steak...
[05:39:23] <ganzuul> Maybe I have to buy some expensive beef and try my hand at it.
[05:39:32] <XXCoder> Melting Point 231.93 C
[05:39:43] <XXCoder> thats for tin lol
[05:39:51] <ganzuul> Although I'm starting to suspect my stomach disagrees with red meat.
[05:42:57] <XXCoder> red meat is overrated
[05:43:09] <XXCoder> I evenually want to just stop eating food and go pure soylent
[05:46:44] <XXCoder> heh LOTS updates since I last read this http://www.elementsales.com/ecoins.htm
[05:47:02] <XXCoder> still no tungein coin, its very very hard metal.,
[05:57:44] <malcom2073> Motors today!
[05:58:15] <malcom2073> So I will take them out, measure them, stick them back in the box for another two weeks while I make my adapter plates heh
[05:58:39] <XXCoder> lol
[05:58:55] <XXCoder> still waiting for my shiny new parallel port card bleh
[06:07:16] <XXCoder> wow interesting www.iflscience.com/chemistry/recipe-metallic-glass-alloys-stronger-steel-malleable-putty-created
[06:07:25] <XXCoder> wonder if it means we would evenually mill em lol
[06:22:47] <ganzuul> :D
[06:22:59] * ganzuul has turned something alright!
[06:23:35] <ganzuul> Will definitely need a good 4 jaw though...
[06:24:15] <XXCoder> any pics?
[06:24:23] <ganzuul> okay...
[06:28:47] <ganzuul> http://imgur.com/v9UkEDQ
[06:28:52] <ganzuul> Threads aren't mine.
[06:28:58] <ganzuul> Just the facing and OD.
[06:29:49] <XXCoder> nice finish
[06:30:01] <XXCoder> funny how you display brass rod on even larger one. lol
[06:33:41] <ganzuul> :p
[06:34:26] <ganzuul> I can get the big brass rod into the chuck, but just a little more open and one jaw falls out.
[06:34:43] <ganzuul> So I decided I'll need a bigger chuck for that.
[06:34:57] <XXCoder> thats cool :)
[06:35:15] <XXCoder> I have bunch of largish plastic discs not too sure what to do with em
[06:35:22] <XXCoder> company trash is useful sometimes.
[06:36:41] <XXCoder> just typed out and gave second worse review for book I ever wrote
[06:37:19] <XXCoder> first one was one star, because they decided to paste pictures all over and copyrights in each page. I couldn't read it on kindle lol
[06:38:14] <XXCoder> ganzuul: you a reader?
[06:38:33] <ganzuul> hm?
[06:38:41] <XXCoder> reads books
[06:38:50] <ganzuul> Of course.
[06:39:09] <XXCoder> cool. what genre? typically science fiction and somewhat fantasy here
[06:39:34] <ganzuul> Mostly non-fiction these days. Otherwise, same.
[06:40:26] <XXCoder> if youre curious https://www.librarything.com/catalog/xxcoder
[06:41:39] <XXCoder> oh yeah amari LOL that book was so bad
[06:41:45] <ganzuul> 1 – 50 of 442
[06:41:49] <ganzuul> o.O
[06:42:18] <XXCoder> yeah thats only mostly physical books. I has another 400+, mostly free ebooks
[06:44:12] <ganzuul> Any sci-fi or fantasy books with very detailed environments you could recommend?
[06:44:29] <XXCoder> well I know a few but its very hard scifi
[06:44:32] <ganzuul> Preferably excessive, over the top detail.
[06:44:38] <XXCoder> its like mainlining heroin lol
[06:45:09] <XXCoder> light of other days is my abosute favorite
[06:45:10] <ganzuul> I've read a few which were like little babby food.
[06:45:21] <XXCoder> (scifi version not other one love book one)
[06:45:45] <ganzuul> ooh, nice
[06:46:02] <ganzuul> I've read a bunch of ACC.
[06:46:09] <XXCoder> the manfold series (like manfold: time) is very hard scifi
[06:46:42] <SpeedEvil> stephen baxter.
[06:46:44] <XXCoder> vacuum diagrams is nice indeed, its part of Xeelee universe
[06:46:51] <SpeedEvil> Iain M Banks also
[06:46:59] <XXCoder> xeelee usually very detailed
[06:47:10] <ganzuul> Are those detailed environments, or favorites?
[06:47:14] <ganzuul> ah
[06:47:16] <SpeedEvil> both
[06:47:47] <XXCoder> ganzuul: Xeelee books cover basically everything
[06:47:55] <XXCoder> from beginning of universe to end
[06:48:00] <XXCoder> mainly human focused
[06:48:32] <ganzuul> cool
[06:48:50] <ganzuul> Gonna read me some Baxter then. :)
[06:49:09] <XXCoder> vacuum diagrams is stories book, ranging hugely in scope and when
[06:50:12] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reality_Dysfunction also
[06:50:26] <XXCoder> yeah I have all 6 books
[06:50:30] <XXCoder> tough read!
[06:53:18] <XXCoder> In the balance (and rest of books related it) is very hard for me to follow. EXTREME details. ganzuul you'll love it.
[06:53:27] <XXCoder> harry turtledove
[06:54:06] <XXCoder> basically aliens decide to attack earth, which happens to be in world war 2.
[06:54:14] <XXCoder> guess this reality they turned around and left.
[06:54:51] <ganzuul> OR DID THEY
[06:55:10] <XXCoder> probably not. you'd know if you read it lol
[06:55:21] <XXCoder> 6 books total, a trilogy, duology and single book
[06:55:52] <ganzuul> Maybe I'll have time to read more sci-fi now that I'm changing carreers. In IT all I read was engineering and science stuff.
[06:56:08] <XXCoder> oh im wrong
[06:56:10] <XXCoder> 8 books
[06:56:26] <XXCoder> quadlogy, trilogy and finally a single book
[06:56:51] <XXCoder> I love covers on those books.
[06:59:59] <XXCoder> ganzuul: well you got plenty of suggestions now :D
[07:03:21] <ganzuul> yeah :)
[07:06:06] <XXCoder> part of my review for secets of alchemist - "Seems each time adult speaks I almost cringe. Like they were all have been hit by idiot stick in least once. By 2/3 of book, it seemed like every adult has been seriously beaten and hospitalized by idiot stick."
[07:07:53] <XXCoder> all adults was pretty badly written in that book
[07:08:06] <XXCoder> and haha like i said, the last 2/3 of book...
[07:15:58] <XXCoder> anyway
[07:16:00] <XXCoder> night
[07:16:05] <XXCoder> good reading, ganzuul lol
[07:45:32] * ganzuul made the shiny thing shinier!
[07:45:42] <ganzuul> Night XXCoder!
[07:46:44] <ganzuul> Can say I'm actually happy with this finish.
[07:47:06] <ganzuul> Just took some buffing of the tool bit.
[07:49:21] <archivist> ganzuul, you can go up the grades with wet and dry paper or better the 3M micron grades http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2006/2006_09_07_pendulum/P9072701.JPG
[07:49:46] <fenn> try making a vertical shear cutter
[08:01:03] <ganzuul> shiny <3
[08:02:30] <ganzuul> fenn: One of those is definitely on my to-do list
[10:14:51] <anomynous> can others view hidden videos on youtube if i link them?
[10:15:03] <anomynous> or private
[10:17:58] <skunkworks> there is unlisted and private. private you have to allow youtube users access to the videos
[10:32:41] <Simonious> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yfcdq32wej7pgde/3%20of%207%20%28holes%29.ngc?dl=0 Behold N20 and N55 I'm not seeing a way to change this initial rapid so that it doesn't drag the toolhead across the surface of the work (w/o hand editing every output file).
[10:35:58] <Simonious> Hmm.. I see I didn't specifiy this was generated in Fusion 360
[10:37:03] <_methods> change your clearance and retract plane
[10:37:28] <_methods> looks like you might have retract set to Z0.6?
[10:37:50] <Simonious> lets see.. Clearance is set to 0.4
[10:37:55] <Simonious> retract 0.2
[10:38:10] <Simonious> it's just that initial move that isn't right, the rest obey the settings
[10:38:21] <_methods> yeah your initial height is set wrong
[10:38:30] <_methods> i think 360 has 3 height settings
[10:38:50] <Simonious> it has clearance heigh, retract height, feed height, top height and bottom height
[10:38:51] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_zAcUYEEzg can you open this?
[10:39:15] <_methods> what is feed height set to?
[10:39:29] <Sync> yes anomynous
[10:39:41] <Simonious> _methods: 0.2
[10:40:00] <Simonious> top and bottom are both set to 0.0
[10:40:01] <_methods> hmmm
[10:41:17] <JT-Shop> wow no height at all
[10:41:53] <Simonious> (changing top height doesn't fix the problem)
[10:42:19] <_methods> is there a preamble setting area
[10:42:30] <_methods> wonder if it's hardcoded to go to z0. somewhere
[10:42:43] <_methods> it's been awhile since i used 360
[10:42:55] <_methods> but i seem to remember having an issue with this
[10:43:39] <_methods> let me see if i still have my vm setup with 360 on it
[10:43:51] <Simonious> _methods: I appreciate you taking a look
[10:43:54] <_methods> np
[10:44:03] <_methods> might take me a while since i haven't fired it up in so long
[10:44:07] <_methods> i'm sure i'll have to update lol
[10:44:50] <Simonious> when outputting the gcode (post process) there is an open config option, but.. I haven't seen a thing in there that solves my problem. I've poked at it a little, but only succeeded in making things worse so far.
[10:45:53] <_methods> i gotta update
[10:45:57] <_methods> hehe might be a min
[10:47:27] <_methods> 80%
[10:47:27] <Simonious> I tried adding retractHeight: 0.4 in the user defined properties section.. it changed the extention AND deletes the file immediately if it even generates one..
[10:49:28] <_methods> ok i'm using there 2d cam sample part
[10:49:35] <_methods> give me a sec to review
[10:49:39] <Simonious> :)
[10:50:19] <_methods> ok did you set up stock?
[10:50:38] <Simonious> I don't know how to answer that.. I imported a file..
[10:50:52] <Simonious> I created a stock point
[10:50:59] <_methods> ok on the setup button there is a stock tab
[10:51:15] <Simonious> oh that.. I let it autobound the imported
[10:51:16] <_methods> just give it something to work with
[10:51:18] <_methods> kk
[10:51:41] <Simonious> it creates a nice box with faces that 'cube' the outermost dimensions of the imported work
[10:51:53] <Simonious> 'bounding box'
[10:51:58] <_methods> yeah good i just wanted to make suree you had a stock box
[10:52:04] <_methods> sometimes taht will screw up some cam packages
[10:52:09] <_methods> not giving it a stock
[10:54:32] <_methods> ok in clearance height what do you have selected in from
[10:54:53] <Simonious> uhm.
[10:55:09] <Simonious> retract height
[10:55:10] <Simonious> default
[10:55:16] <_methods> ok select stock top
[10:55:58] <_methods> then try reposting
[10:57:18] <Simonious> I'm still seeing z0. looking to see if it was corrected elsewhere now
[10:57:25] <_methods> k
[10:58:22] <Simonious> no.. it still has the z0. fail, but now the retract is 0.4 instead of 0.6 (line N60)
[10:58:51] <_methods> yeah it has a unique clearance retract height setting
[10:59:00] <Simonious> seen again in line N130
[10:59:08] <_methods> it can be confusing using other heights to set heights
[10:59:30] <Simonious> alright, I'm going to hammer their forum again. The good thing is they are doing constant updates.
[10:59:59] <Simonious> anything else you think I should try first?
[11:01:12] <Simonious> alright thanks for the ideas, afk
[11:01:26] <Jymmm> Tequlia always comes first =)
[11:06:59] <_methods> ok
[11:07:15] <_methods> Simonious: it's hardcoded to do that as a safety move
[11:07:39] <_methods> so g53 z0 is machine coordinates z0 which is usually all the way up on a mill
[11:07:49] <_methods> what post processor are you using
[11:08:24] <_methods> you can see on line 60 it's moving to z0.6 after it applies teh tool length offset
[11:08:40] <_methods> but line n10-n20 are all setup lines
[11:09:41] <_methods> you'll actually have to edit the post processor to alter those lines
[11:17:27] <archivist> description and price error http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPERB-KAFER-JKA-FEINTASTER-WATCHMAKER-PRECISION-BENCH-MICROMETER-MIC-GERMAN-/161834998728
[11:29:57] <Simonious> _methods: linuxcnc
[11:34:34] <Simonious> _methods: Hmm, I'm game got any tips on how to edit the post processor?
[11:34:48] * Simonious googles.
[11:34:59] <_methods> i'm tryin to find
[11:36:56] <Simonious> ~\AppData\Local\Autodesk\webdeploy\production\3d370b3840f21577b83404e691635b0a40f84ed6\Applications\CAM360\Data\Posts seems like a good place to start..
[11:37:33] <Simonious> oh.. that.. that's the same file the config button opens... I haven't had any luck in here so far.
[11:38:40] <Simonious> here's an interesting line: useG28: false // turn on to use G28 instead of G53 for machine retracts
[11:40:32] <_methods> yeah
[11:42:44] <_methods> function forceXYZ() { xOutput.reset(); yOutput.reset(); zOutput.reset();
[11:42:45] <_methods> }
[11:43:02] <_methods> that line i think you might want to comment out the zoutput.reset
[11:43:25] <Simonious> the useG28 line.. set to true *might* do it and seems like a better starting point.
[11:43:44] <_methods> g28 will do basically the same thing as g53
[11:43:53] * Simonious shrugs
[11:43:58] <Simonious> worth a try
[11:44:42] <Simonious> I've made a note of your suggestion as well :)
[11:46:29] <_methods> where'd you get this linuxcnc post?
[11:47:12] <Simonious> from the folder I indicated above ^
[11:47:19] <Simonious> it came w/ fusion360
[11:47:53] <_methods> interesting mine doesn't have it
[11:48:34] <ssi> morn
[11:49:31] <Simonious> _methods: then.. how are you telling me to edit that line?
[11:49:50] <_methods> oh i was just lookin at a fanuc post
[11:49:56] <Simonious> ahh
[11:49:58] <_methods> i'm assuming the linuxcnc post was copied from that
[11:50:14] <Simonious> perhaps since it is a web linked app it doesn't pull that post until you actually post using it?
[11:50:17] <_methods> fanuc and linuxcnc posts are pretty similar
[11:53:19] <flyback> MUHAHAHAHAHA
[11:53:23] <flyback> I predicted this was coming
[11:53:29] <flyback> https://www.buylazerbond.com/?uid=8EB52CE794513B4E078F56916E3506CD&gclid=CMjw9fPJjcgCFVFhNwod2TUCew&gclsrc=ds
[11:53:37] <flyback> owns your "canuck"
[11:53:41] * flyback dropkicks GargantuaSauce
[11:53:55] <flyback> https://www.buylazerbond.com
[11:54:24] * ssi prefers lazerunbond
[11:54:35] <flyback> well the point being this is cool
[11:55:53] <flyback> I dunno how good that product is or even if you should get it
[11:56:16] <flyback> I just knew eventually they would start selling adhesives and a disposable uv led to set them
[11:56:55] <flyback> might be insteresting with a 3d printer
[11:58:09] <flyback> wonder how long this was milspec ;)
[11:58:40] <blib> I need a piece that connects a motor to a wheel - What material should I use? Alum? Steel? It has to take torque and be stable and sturdy
[11:58:44] <ssi> what's the date on the milspec? :P
[11:59:14] <flyback> blib, remember alum doesn't have infinite fatique life like steel
[11:59:19] <flyback> if it's going to be flexed constantely
[11:59:45] <flyback> I guess in this case probably not but just something to consider
[12:00:45] <blib> flyback: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hex-Hub-Adapters-12mm-To-17mm-W-6mm-Offset-Hot-Racing-WH17HS01-/261920190610
[12:00:52] <CaptHindsight> flyback: I'll be happy to sell you a bucket of photopolymer and laser pointer :)
[12:00:53] <flyback> apprentely carbon fiber is even worse so they are having to scrap planes instead of reskinning them
[12:00:58] <blib> these guys are using solid billet aluminum
[12:01:04] <blib> not sure what that means
[12:01:20] <flyback> yeah I don't think in a hub config it matters my bad
[12:01:27] <flyback> that was just my 2 cents when choose al vs steel
[12:01:34] <flyback> in general
[12:01:46] <ssi> the issue with carbon fiber is that there's no non-destructive inspection for fatigue or overstresslike there is with aluminum
[12:01:56] <ssi> it just works til it doesn't
[12:02:03] <blib> flyback: so alum is fine?
[12:02:13] <flyback> afik but ask these guys for sure
[12:02:19] <flyback> oh also
[12:02:38] <flyback> be careful about mixing metals someimes weird alloys will attempt to beat the shit out of each other
[12:02:45] <flyback> you guys explain this better than me
[12:03:05] <ssi> dunno if you're talking about galvanic corrosion or galling
[12:03:13] <flyback> electric chemical reaction
[12:03:19] <ssi> that'd be galvanic corrosion
[12:03:20] <flyback> either actually
[12:03:27] <ssi> galling is only an issue if there's sliding friction
[12:03:34] <flyback> ok :)
[12:03:38] <Loetmichel> drop some gallium on an aluminium part and stand iun wawe a few hours later
[12:03:49] <Loetmichel> awe
[12:03:52] <ssi> Loetmichel: keep your dirty hippy gallium away from my aluminum kthx :D
[12:03:52] <Loetmichel> in
[12:03:55] <flyback> I know there's been engineering failures
[12:04:06] <flyback> where they used 2 top of the line super expensive materials
[12:04:11] <flyback> I mean stuff you could blow torch etc
[12:04:14] <blib> flyback: can a cnc create a hole for M3 screw? or 6-32 screw for instance?
[12:04:15] <flyback> and it failed in weeks
[12:04:19] <Loetmichel> ssi: works especially well with "aircraft" 7075 ;)
[12:04:21] <flyback> because the 2 materials hated each other
[12:04:23] <blib> or do you just make a hole, and thread it with the screw?
[12:04:29] <Loetmichel> bib: sure
[12:04:29] <ssi> Loetmichel: we don't actually use much 7075
[12:04:32] <ssi> mostly 6061 and 2024
[12:04:36] <ssi> but gallium works on those too
[12:04:38] <ssi> especially 2024
[12:04:40] <Loetmichel> with the right mill bit
[12:05:02] <Loetmichel> ssi: i like 7075
[12:05:02] <flyback> yeah they used to smear gallium and mercury on nazi planes so they would fall apart in the sky
[12:05:12] <Loetmichel> for parts taht have to be strong
[12:05:32] <flyback> blib don't misunderstand
[12:05:37] <Loetmichel> for sheet metal work i use AlMg3 (no idea whtas the mat# of that)
[12:05:41] <flyback> I am not trying to scare you or say you are doing abnything wrong
[12:05:49] <flyback> im just saying follow the rule of mixing metals
[12:05:55] <flyback> ask these guys I am no expert
[12:05:55] <ssi> beech used to use magnesium skins, but they cause a lot of problems
[12:06:05] <ssi> they're lighter for a given strength but there's huge corrosion issues
[12:06:14] <flyback> ssi, yep
[12:06:33] <Loetmichel> blib: both is possible
[12:06:40] <Loetmichel> there are thread milling bots out there
[12:06:56] <Loetmichel> and a CNC mill can do the neccessary "helix" path
[12:07:19] <_methods> Simonious: i'm at lunch now but i'll try and take a closer look at the post when i get back
[12:07:30] <Loetmichel> but you have to change the tool to a drill or an end mill first, make the center hole and then use the thread mill bit to make the thread
[12:07:35] <ssi> blib: typically you'd drill the hole undersized and tap it
[12:07:41] <ssi> thread milling is a bit of an advanced topic
[12:07:43] <Simonious> _methods: cool, ty, I'll be at lunch shortly. My useG29 true didn't work, going to try your suggestion next.
[12:07:49] <ssi> it can be done but it's a bit impractical for holes that small
[12:07:50] <flyback> this is also why nucore is still in business as one of the only americal steel companies still arounde
[12:07:58] <flyback> because they saw the future way ahead
[12:08:02] <Loetmichel> ssi: i tried it once
[12:08:04] <Loetmichel> works well
[12:08:04] <flyback> and invested in process tech
[12:08:08] <ssi> oh I'm sure it does
[12:08:27] <ssi> I'm really curious about those punch taps
[12:08:30] <flyback> cause a steel that is hard as diamond (ok not really) that's good for nuclear blast doors, stamp and dies etc
[12:08:33] <ssi> Loetmichel: were you in here when we were talking about that?
[12:08:34] <Loetmichel> but as my CNC has no tool changer its easier to use a battery drill and a machine tap
[12:08:41] <flyback> is fucking worthless for bridges cause it has 0 tension strength
[12:08:48] <flyback> so they offer all kinds of blends
[12:09:00] <flyback> or like you said ssi
[12:09:18] <flyback> strongest steel might have horrible corrosion tendencies
[12:09:22] <ssi> Loetmichel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfEVtA7JMg
[12:09:27] <ssi> that's some coooool stuff there :D
[12:09:38] <flyback> so slightely less stronger steel more corrosion resistant and just designing in more support structure might be better
[12:09:56] <blib> I'll try tap first
[12:10:19] <ssi> blib: if you've never run a tap before, you might want to read up about it
[12:10:36] <ssi> it's not hard, but breaking taps is very very easy if you're not careful
[12:10:39] <ssi> especially small taps like that
[12:10:45] <Simonious> _methods: ^
[12:10:46] <Simonious> oops
[12:10:50] <Simonious> yes, small taps
[12:10:52] <Simonious> break easy
[12:11:08] <flyback> so you break taps and then play taps
[12:11:10] * flyback ducks
[12:11:16] <ssi> they need to be dead straight in line with the hole, and you should turn them by hand, and when it starts to get tight, back it off to break and clear chips
[12:11:53] <flyback> ssi, you ever seen foamed aluminum
[12:11:53] <ssi> if you're drilling on the mill, it's helpful to use a tap handle with a centerpunch on the back and use a center in the spindle to align the tap
[12:12:02] <Loetmichel> nice
[12:12:10] <ssi> flyback: nope
[12:12:10] <CaptHindsight> ssi: any idea of the prices for the Punch Taps?
[12:12:14] <ssi> CaptHindsight: no clue
[12:12:16] <blib> ssi: in my case, I could make the hole a little bit bigger than the screw - since I have threads on both sides - but it would be nice to have a thread in there
[12:12:17] <ssi> I'm sure they're $$
[12:12:20] <Loetmichel> i only ever used a single tooth mill bit for tapping
[12:12:30] <flyback> ssi, dude had his hand on it while they torched it
[12:12:40] <ssi> flyback: sounds like aerogel
[12:12:49] <flyback> yeah not as cool but way cheaper etc
[12:12:52] <flyback> but yeah same idea
[12:13:18] <Loetmichel> as i mentoinded above: i use much 7075 for rigid parts
[12:13:39] <Loetmichel> but for sheet metal work its simply unuseable. you cant bend it
[12:13:57] <Loetmichel> (not ductile at all)
[12:14:09] <Loetmichel> alMg3 is much nicer for that
[12:14:33] <flyback> http://www.ergaerospace.com/Aluminum-properties.htm
[12:14:48] <flyback> https://www.google.com/search?q=foamed+aluminum&biw=1280&bih=879&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIqNy-1M6NyAIVA_M-Ch1zjAEy&dpr=1
[12:14:56] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15714&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- you can fold it by hand easily ;)
[12:14:59] <Simonious> _methods: tried your idea.. no change
[12:15:26] <_methods> yeah i figured it wouldn't work i have to find the actual startup area
[12:15:49] <ssi> Loetmichel: the vast majority of the light aircraft stuff is 2024-T3 alclad skin over 2024-T3 formed bulkheads and ribs with some 6061-T6 structural angle for things like longerons and sparcaps
[12:16:09] <ssi> aluminum airplanes anyway, there's a few other construction methods :)
[12:17:04] <Loetmichel> ssi: i know
[12:17:32] <ssi> it's super rare to find any 7075, and probably mostly because of the lack of ductility
[12:17:37] <Loetmichel> 7075 has also corrosion issues and cant be coloured well by andodizing
[12:17:39] <ssi> it's a high vibration and flex environment
[12:18:01] <Loetmichel> still its dubbed "aircraft aluminium" in germany
[12:18:15] <flyback> ssi looks like
[12:18:26] <flyback> I wonder if it would work well in combustion
[12:18:27] <Loetmichel> (and by chinese flashlight sellers ;-)
[12:18:31] <flyback> foamed metals
[12:18:37] <ssi> Loetmichel: yeah, silly marketing crap :P
[12:18:43] <flyback> like for gas burning etc
[12:19:27] <flyback> you guys have an amazing power
[12:19:34] <flyback> don't even let anyone say otherwise
[12:19:35] <Loetmichel> ssi: but its very nice to mill
[12:19:38] <ssi> yep
[12:19:41] <Loetmichel> alsmost as easy as steel
[12:19:45] <ssi> not as gummy as 6061
[12:19:50] <flyback> even the worst cnc machine at crayola crayon resolution is awesome
[12:20:06] <Loetmichel> i had my problems wen boss wanted to save some and brought a few sheets of al99.9
[12:20:09] <Loetmichel> THATS gummy
[12:20:27] <ssi> I believe that's 1099
[12:20:46] <Loetmichel> if literally flowed around the mill bits
[12:21:13] <Loetmichel> even with generous amounts of IPA on the milling path
[12:21:23] <MacGalempsy> hello\
[12:21:30] <ssi> beer is a social lubricant, not a milling lubricant ;)
[12:21:35] <CaptHindsight> The Trick to Tapping on a Bridgeport without a Tapping Head https://youtu.be/LkbZPP8ErvU?t=5m58s
[12:22:01] <CaptHindsight> let the tap slip in the chuck, heh
[12:22:07] <flyback> ssi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmcvh7TrdUk
[12:22:10] <ssi> sounds like a terrible idea :P
[12:22:12] <flyback> oh that's a good idea
[12:22:28] <flyback> the foamed aluminum is good for inpact energy
[12:22:32] <flyback> bullets etc
[12:22:48] <flyback> one shot, but hell if it stops enough firepowder to get away once, paid in full
[12:23:16] <MacGalempsy> its too bad the CNC videos are full of hot chicks
[12:23:27] <flyback> hahahahahaa
[12:23:29] <flyback> topic!
[12:23:32] <flyback> topic now!
[12:23:35] <Loetmichel> flyback: loose steel/ceramic balls are even better for stopping bullets
[12:23:50] <CaptHindsight> CNC Babes?
[12:23:52] <MacGalempsy> old dudes and dudes with hairy a$$ knuckles
[12:23:53] <flyback> yeah Loetmichel or ceramics that are fragile
[12:24:02] <Loetmichel> ceramic balls
[12:24:06] <Loetmichel> or steel balls
[12:24:14] <Loetmichel> that sit loose inside a double wall
[12:24:15] <flyback> idea being as it breaks up it vents off the energy in random directions
[12:24:24] <Loetmichel> ... nearly impenetrable by small arms
[12:24:32] <flyback> so is phone books
[12:24:36] <flyback> up to medium rounds
[12:24:40] <flyback> mythbusters was shocked
[12:25:00] <Loetmichel> "divide and conquer"
[12:25:12] <Loetmichel> one sheet of paper has not much stopping capability
[12:25:40] <Loetmichel> but a phonebook is like "death of a thousand cuts" to the bullets velocity
[12:25:48] <flyback> yhep
[12:26:02] <DaViruz> letting the tap slip in a drill chuck doesn't seem very repeatable
[12:26:03] <flyback> work bbl
[12:27:42] <Loetmichel> flyback: btw: 6mm of hand-molded glass fibre mat reinforced epoxy stops bullets up to nato 7.62*51 :-)
[12:27:47] <Loetmichel> been there, tested that ;)
[12:28:06] <Loetmichel> funny stuff ;)
[12:28:15] <DaViruz> i wouldn't have guessed that
[12:28:19] <ssi> I wouldn't either
[12:28:25] <ssi> in fact I might have to independently verify
[12:28:27] <DaViruz> with some kevlar mat possibly
[12:28:39] <ssi> I can get kevlar cloth easily
[12:28:51] <ssi> but I think the epoxy will actually hurt
[12:29:02] <ssi> raw kevlar mat probably will work better, especially as a sandwiched layer
[12:29:07] <ssi> the cured glass would just shatter
[12:29:08] <Loetmichel> i wasnt inside the Sci-fi-armor when we tested that
[12:29:29] <Loetmichel> but i think the inner layers had some "chipoff" that could have hurt ;)
[12:29:44] <DaViruz> what'd the bullet look like?
[12:29:51] <Loetmichel> flat
[12:30:01] <DaViruz> full metal jacket?
[12:30:16] <Loetmichel> german standard mil G3 rounds
[12:30:21] <Loetmichel> full metal jacket
[12:30:22] <ssi> well nato 7x51 sorta implies ball .308
[12:30:28] <DaViruz> true
[12:30:48] <ssi> since geneva forbids anything else :P
[12:31:49] <DaViruz> i'm looking to make some tungsten core bullets to play around with, but i never get around to it
[12:32:17] <Loetmichel> DaViruz: or did you mean prior to firing?
[12:32:20] <ssi> 1/8" tig electrodes, sharpen them on a grinder, snap to length, place in a bullet mold with a penetrator core feature
[12:32:29] <DaViruz> Loetmichel: no after hitting
[12:32:44] <Loetmichel> flat, like a champignon
[12:32:53] <DaViruz> i want to compare tungsten and tungsten carbide
[12:33:15] <Loetmichel> DaViruz: funny thing is that the epoxy chiopped off
[12:33:58] <Loetmichel> leaving about a 1" circle of pure glass cloth layers without matrix
[12:34:08] <DaViruz> strange
[12:34:10] <Loetmichel> but only the outer 4 or 5 layers penetrated
[12:34:19] <ssi> 6mm is a thick laminate
[12:34:23] <ssi> probably 20 layers?
[12:34:30] <ssi> depends on the cloth weight
[12:34:31] <Loetmichel> more like 12
[12:35:05] <ssi> i wonder how it'd do with, say, 3 layers of 8oz glass front and back with a 6mm closed cell foam core
[12:35:14] <Loetmichel> 280gr/m^2
[12:35:29] <DaViruz> i wonder what an equal thickness of fuzzy cloth with polyester would hold up to
[12:35:33] <ssi> I have no idea what that is in normal people numbers :D
[12:36:27] <Loetmichel> https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&q=280gr%2Fm2+to+oz%2Fsqft
[12:36:30] <Loetmichel> does that help?
[12:36:52] <ssi> https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&q=280gr%2Fm2+to+oz%2F(square+yard)
[12:36:53] <ssi> that does
[12:36:58] <ssi> that's the 8.3oz cloth we use
[12:37:35] <DaViruz> that clears up something, i too always assumed it was oz/sqft
[12:37:40] <ssi> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/7781.php?clickkey=4748
[12:37:42] <ssi> something like that
[12:37:43] <CaptHindsight> ssi: ~10oz/yard^2 :)
[12:37:43] <ssi> harness weuave
[12:37:56] <ssi> good shit, lays in compound curves really nice
[12:38:03] <Loetmichel> yes it does
[12:38:16] <ssi> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/bikevlar.php
[12:38:19] <ssi> there's your kevlar ;)
[12:38:26] <Loetmichel> but as i tend to omit any personal protectig gear: it itches after prolonged use
[12:38:39] <ssi> I don't have itch problems with the good stuff
[12:38:40] <Loetmichel> carbon is much better... you can see the broken off ends in the skin ;)
[12:39:25] <Loetmichel> <- made a Cylon armor in his younger days
[12:39:39] <ssi> carbon is harder to work with because you can't see through it when wetting it out to see when you've saturated the weave, and whether or not you've worked out the bubbles between layers
[12:39:48] <ssi> much more repeatable to use compression molds or vacuum bags
[12:39:55] <DaViruz> i'm pretty sloppy with the fibers, but i'm pretty careful to not get any epoxy on the skin
[12:40:05] <Loetmichel> 40kg of electronics, a/c small lpg converted glow engine and a flame trhower ;)
[12:40:47] <Loetmichel> DaViruz: i seem to be immune to most of the fumes/contact itches from any 2k "resin"
[12:40:59] <ssi> I don't have any problems with the epoxys I use
[12:41:02] <Loetmichel> may it be polyester, epoxy or even urethane
[12:41:04] <DaViruz> i am to, and i intend to stay that way :)
[12:41:09] <ganzuul> Pssh. Nothing wrong with good ol' asbestos.
[12:41:09] <DaViruz> too
[12:41:12] <Loetmichel> never had any problems with the stuff
[12:41:26] <ssi> I use mostly west systems for composite work
[12:41:27] <Loetmichel> but the fibre mats tend to stick INSIDE my hands afterwards
[12:41:27] <DaViruz> the only thing i have had problems with is cyano acrylate fumes
[12:41:29] <ssi> sometimes aeropoxy
[12:41:39] <ssi> and I use T88 structural epoxy for wood structures
[12:41:51] <DaViruz> it can give really intens flu like symptoms for a couple of days
[12:42:02] * SpeedEvil wishes you could weld wood.
[12:42:21] <SpeedEvil> (I know glue is as strong)
[12:42:28] <ssi> stronger
[12:42:28] <DaViruz> but i know of way too many people who have developed pretty nasty epoxy allergies, so i'm super careful with it now
[12:42:33] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: like that? -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=2812
[12:42:35] <ganzuul> SpeedEvil: Polyurethane does a pretty good job.
[12:43:07] <ganzuul> It's a little flexible, while epoxy peels easily.
[12:44:11] <CaptHindsight> acrylates, epoxies, polyesters, urethanes may be formulated over a wide range of characteristics
[12:45:01] <ganzuul> Might not be cheap and readily availible.
[12:45:11] <CaptHindsight> their characteristics also overlap
[12:45:16] <SpeedEvil> Joint design is hard too.
[12:45:24] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rjQtYEV1Ts
[12:45:25] <SpeedEvil> I find it amusing that in some ways balsa is better than steel
[12:45:49] <DaViruz> it's a better fuel
[12:45:57] <SpeedEvil> specific stiffness
[12:46:02] <ganzuul> Cellulose is a very strong material...
[12:46:05] <Loetmichel> especially when clad with a single sheet of 1oz glasscloth on both sides
[12:46:28] <CaptHindsight> and since they may also be blended together you really have to look at what you want to bond vs just thinking epoxy or urethane for example
[12:47:06] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4897&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 < 65 gram for a 450mm diameter quadcopter chassis
[12:47:16] <Loetmichel> ... and all made of a single sheet of balsa:
[12:47:30] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4921&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[12:48:00] <Loetmichel> had to reinforce the motor mounts tho
[12:48:07] <Loetmichel> the screws pulled thru
[12:48:23] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4973
[12:48:56] <ganzuul> 56g... :o
[12:49:23] <DaViruz> finger joined wood sheets is pretty fun to design with
[12:49:27] <SpeedEvil> People all too often think 'oooh - carbon fibre = stiff'
[12:49:51] <SpeedEvil> When yes, it may be 20 times as stiff as wood, but if you increase the wood thickness by 3 times, you've beaten the carbon
[12:50:05] <ganzuul> Loetmichel: What is it cut with?
[12:50:13] <Loetmichel> cnc mill
[12:50:32] <ganzuul> hm
[12:50:59] <Loetmichel> diamond dust coated 2 flute Tungsten carbide bit 2mm
[12:51:44] <ganzuul> How many bits like that do you break per quadcopter? :)
[12:51:52] <Loetmichel> none
[12:52:02] <Loetmichel> those bist last forever in anything but carbon
[12:52:05] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: diamond coated - why?
[12:52:15] <ssi> cause carbon will knock the edges off almost anything :P
[12:52:18] <Loetmichel> in carbon they last about 100m toolpath
[12:52:56] <Loetmichel> where the normal tungsten carbide ones last 10 meters
[12:52:58] <Loetmichel> :-)
[12:53:25] <ganzuul> hm
[12:54:00] <Loetmichel> and as i did loads of carbon these days i bought the coated ones by the dozen
[12:54:10] <Loetmichel> so i used them for every abrasive cut
[12:54:18] <Loetmichel> including wood and glass fibre
[12:54:53] <ganzuul> How do they fare in glass fibre?
[12:54:59] <Loetmichel> last forever
[12:55:07] <ganzuul> cool :)
[12:55:36] <Loetmichel> sit down before conparing prices for standard tc and tc diamond coated tho ;-)
[12:56:54] <Loetmichel> IIRC i paid about 4 eur for a 2mm standard 2 flute TC bit and 18 eur for the diamond coated one ;)
[12:57:04] <ganzuul> There's this amorphous diamond / Diamond-Like Carbon coating too.
[12:57:13] <Loetmichel> yeah
[12:57:34] <Loetmichel> the coating is black as [expletive deleted] ;-)
[12:57:38] <Loetmichel> not shiny
[12:57:58] <ganzuul> DLC has perlescence.
[12:58:08] <ganzuul> And is also dark.
[12:58:34] <ssi> DLC is cool stuff
[12:58:42] <ssi> really improves surface wear quite a bit
[12:59:24] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=364&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- second from the right is coated
[13:00:10] <ganzuul> On that note, doest free-machining steel have better lubrication properties than non-free?
[13:00:48] <ssi> not necessarily
[13:01:04] <ssi> some free machining steels have lubricity qualities, like leaded steels (12L14)
[13:01:22] <ganzuul> ooh
[13:01:35] <ganzuul> thought they are all leaded
[13:02:08] <archivist> hardenable steels not leaded usually
[13:02:24] <Loetmichel> archivist: i believe they cant be?
[13:02:51] <DaViruz> my workshop handbook lists one leaded steel that is heat treatable
[13:02:52] <Loetmichel> because i heard it would iterfer with the carbon needed for hardening
[13:03:23] <archivist> depends on kind or hardening I suppose
[13:03:27] <archivist> of
[13:03:34] <Loetmichel> possibly
[13:03:58] <Loetmichel> isnt hardening always austeniot/martensit conversion?
[13:04:17] <Loetmichel> <- is not that good in metalurugy
[13:04:55] <ganzuul> There is also precipitation hardening.
[13:05:22] <ssi> isn't that called hail? :D
[13:05:36] <DaViruz> :D
[13:05:38] <archivist> case hardening, nitriding and the classic heat is rapid cool
[13:07:16] <ganzuul> ssi: work hardens cars, rooftops..
[13:07:24] <ssi> yuuup
[13:10:13] <ganzuul> Would 12L14 make good bushings?
[13:10:16] <archivist> should one call it a black art when one takes steel to cherry red :)
[13:11:01] <ganzuul> black... smith. nunno...
[13:11:36] <ssi> ganzuul: probably not as good as bearing bronze
[13:15:33] <ganzuul> Maybe better for some very specific application...?
[13:15:41] <ssi> I dunno!
[13:19:40] <archivist> with bushes one also needs to take into account the shaft material, one often soft and the other hard, or a large area and good lubrication
[13:20:08] <CaptHindsight> is hail like shot peening?
[13:25:27] <Simonious> _methods: did you happen to have any more ideas for me?
[13:26:57] <ganzuul> archivist: so ball bearings require less forethought?
[13:29:08] <furrywolf> I am getting seriously fucking sick of my back.
[13:29:34] <ganzuul> aww
[13:29:48] <ganzuul> Get some muscle relaxants?
[13:29:57] <_methods> yeah i got it
[13:30:03] <furrywolf> my lawyer is talking terms like "permanent partial disability".
[13:30:03] <_methods> but make sure you test well
[13:30:17] <_methods> can you send me your post processor
[13:30:23] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: :/
[13:30:24] <_methods> just pastebin it
[13:30:36] <_methods> i'll edit it for you
[13:30:37] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: 3d print a new spine.
[13:30:45] <SpeedEvil> They need to be able to do that.
[13:30:52] <SpeedEvil> With nice replacable bearings.
[13:30:52] <furrywolf> heh
[13:31:05] <furrywolf> it's not the spine, it's the soft things around the spine.
[13:31:31] <furrywolf> the nerve pinching was worse today than it's been since the accident... whole left side numb earlier today... mostly better again now, just pain.
[13:31:38] <SpeedEvil> Damn.
[13:33:11] <ganzuul> Could be lucky enough that it's only an inflammation... If so, a change of diet and ibuprofen might help.
[13:33:23] <_methods> Simonious: you there?
[13:33:44] <furrywolf> I have an appointment with the chiropractor tomorrow, will see what he says.
[13:34:28] <Simonious> I'm here
[13:34:32] <_methods> kk
[13:34:35] <ganzuul> AFAIK chiropractors in the US aren't considered medical professionals... So his advice might not hold up in court.
[13:34:41] <Simonious> _methods: standby
[13:34:45] <_methods> sure
[13:35:18] <_methods> ah mine is called emc.cps
[13:35:20] <_methods> not linuxcnc
[13:35:28] <Simonious> as is mine
[13:35:45] <furrywolf> I gave up on getting a doctor. if you don't have insurance, they don't want to talk to you. and even if you wave cash around, there's a multi-month waiting list everywhere, care of all the people who just got insurance wanting to see doctors without a million more doctors magically appearing.
[13:35:46] <_methods> ahh ok well i'll edit mine then paste it for you
[13:35:53] <Simonious> https://www.dropbox.com/s/llchz95w74agrcz/emc.cps?dl=0
[13:35:55] <Simonious> sounds good
[13:37:00] * ganzuul blames Obama
[13:37:12] * furrywolf does too
[13:37:33] <furrywolf> he promised a proper health care system, and instead we're worse off than we started.
[13:37:42] <ssi> by design
[13:38:01] <_methods> alright Simonious so the key here
[13:38:04] <_methods> is this
[13:38:06] <_methods> isFirstSection()
[13:38:19] <_methods> that's where all the stuff is that gets printed on startup
[13:39:02] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5cffjgwhxq2wchm/emc.cps?dl=0
[13:39:09] <_methods> so there's the modified post
[13:39:18] <Simonious> will check it out
[13:39:22] <Simonious> thanks1
[13:39:25] <_methods> use at your own peril lol
[13:39:32] <_methods> i've never modified a fusion 360 post before
[13:39:42] <Simonious> :) I'll study the output
[13:39:47] <_methods> good idea
[13:39:48] <_methods> heheh
[13:40:49] * furrywolf is still waiting for the version that you own instead of rent, runs on linux, and doesn't require an internet connection.
[13:41:07] * furrywolf isn't waiting very hard
[13:41:20] <Simonious> hint: it's not coming from Fusion 360
[13:41:22] * ssi would be happy with a version that runs at a usable speed over a slow network
[13:41:49] <furrywolf> I see no reason why cad should be a network application.
[13:41:57] <Simonious> it shouldn't
[13:42:31] <ganzuul> They're probably observing how everything-in-the-cloud is doomed to fail.
[13:48:07] <Simonious> _methods: hmm there is ONE change with your version of the post, this line: G53 G0 Z0. Gets removed
[13:48:10] * Simonious ponders
[13:48:15] <_methods> yeah
[13:48:19] <_methods> i thought that's what you wanted?
[13:48:31] * Simonious ponders some more
[13:48:48] <Simonious> G53 G0 Z0.XX <- I wanted this, where XX is the offset
[13:49:00] <Simonious> or rather 'safe height'
[13:49:45] <Simonious> You obviously found the right thing!
[13:50:06] <_methods> yeah i'd just remove that line personally
[13:50:46] <_methods> the safe height gets called in your program later on
[13:50:59] <Simonious> true, but.. it does one move before that
[13:51:28] <_methods> post your new code
[13:52:27] <Simonious> http://pastebin.com/aKjTisRW
[13:53:04] <_methods> i'll have to rewrite that line that i commented out to pull your z
[13:53:12] <Simonious> I'm looking at that right now
[13:55:49] <Connor> For those of you who hate to tap... https://youtu.be/7sWLEpNCb7s Guy talks allot but, watch it in action.
[13:55:53] <_methods> just need to replace "Z" + xyzFormat.format(0))
[13:56:00] <_methods> replace the 0 with the var for clear height
[13:56:34] <Simonious> _methods: agreed.. not sure what that var is yet
[13:56:40] <_methods> me either lol
[13:56:43] <_methods> tryin to find it
[13:56:48] <Simonious> likewise
[14:07:24] <Simonious> writeBlock(gFormat.format(53 + workOffset)); // G54->G59
[14:07:49] <_methods> that's just to change your work coordinate
[14:07:52] <_methods> don't mess with that
[14:08:07] <ganzuul> moly grease is magic <3
[14:08:40] <ganzuul> Just squirt some in the general direction and problems go away
[14:36:09] <furrywolf> grrrr. yesterday I glued something with glue that claims to take 2-4 hours to dry. it is now today. it's still completely liquid.
[14:36:44] <Simonious> _methods: wow.. where is that variable?!
[14:36:52] <_methods> no idea
[14:36:56] <_methods> i can't find it for sure
[14:37:49] <Simonious> I also find it suspicious that the output has G0 in it, but that post doesn't..
[14:38:10] <Simonious> I suppose it's calling functions from elsewhere
[14:38:18] <_methods> from 360
[14:39:51] <ssi> furrywolf: was it two part?
[14:42:23] <Simonious> well that's fantastic
[14:42:29] <Simonious> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJCsomGwdk0
[14:43:31] <Simonious> _methods: I really suspect those var names aren't going to be found in the post file at this point
[14:46:55] <_methods> well the best way to do it is to just leave the line in there as it was intended and set your z home all the way up
[14:47:51] <Simonious> _methods: is that the best way? I feel strongly that one should zero the tool to the stock.
[14:48:02] <_methods> no way
[14:48:03] <furrywolf> ssi: no
[14:48:10] <ssi> hm odd
[14:48:12] <ssi> what kind of glue
[14:48:13] <_methods> you home the machine and set a work coordinate on yoru stock
[14:48:24] <furrywolf> "Fabric Fusion". as to kind, no idea. it remarkably lacks specs.
[14:48:51] <furrywolf> the fabric shop suggested it as the best way to bond canvas without sewing
[14:55:46] <ssi> I see
[14:56:16] <_methods> said the blind man to the deaf dog
[14:57:12] <Simonious> _methods: huh, well I give up, I'm hardcoding in a z offset of +0.4 so I can zero to the top of the stock, which I still feel is the right way to do it.
[14:57:39] <_methods> Simonious: sorry it's not how people do it
[14:57:47] <_methods> but you can do whatever you want hehe
[14:57:50] <_methods> it's your machine
[14:58:00] <furrywolf> I'm adding a couple dividers to a tool bag, and don't want to deal with finding my sewing machine, making it work, having to sew around the metal reinforcements in the bag, etc.
[14:58:02] <Simonious> _methods: well of course. :) I'm puzzled that people do it differently though
[14:58:17] <_methods> yeah normally a machine is homed to it;s limits
[14:58:21] <furrywolf> actually, with the metal reinforcements, I'm not even sure I could fit it in my sewing machine.
[14:58:35] <_methods> then you "touch off" on your workpiece/setup to get your work offsets
[14:58:42] <Simonious> _methods: why wouldn't you zero to the top of the work? It's simpler, you can see at a glance if your depths are right..
[14:58:45] * Simonious nods
[14:58:45] <_methods> what happens when you have another op on your table
[14:58:57] <Simonious> _methods: we all generate our own gcode..
[14:59:19] <_methods> if you have another workpiece on your table and it's higher than the other one what do you do
[14:59:31] * Simonious ponders
[14:59:40] <Simonious> rezero Z?
[14:59:43] <_methods> heheh
[14:59:55] <Simonious> is that bad?
[14:59:59] <_methods> well if you home your machine at it's max z then you can work over your full envelope
[15:00:09] <_methods> now you have to rezero because you set it too low
[15:00:11] <ssi> well there's machine home, and then there's the touchoff zero
[15:00:20] <_methods> ^^
[15:00:44] <ssi> understanding the multiple coordinate systems is critical
[15:00:47] <Simonious> Hmm, I think my inexperience is showing a bit - I set home and touchoff to the same spot
[15:00:56] <_methods> and you can do that
[15:01:04] <_methods> but it's not the optimal way
[15:01:15] <ssi> machine home is almost irrelevant once you start doing actual work
[15:01:23] <ssi> machine home should be set up so that it's convenient for the MACHINE
[15:01:28] <Simonious> unless you approach a software limit?
[15:01:29] <ssi> ie Z0 is top of travel
[15:01:55] <furrywolf> I'm still debating how to home my shoptask. I'm tempted to build some kind of home-to-middle mechanism.
[15:02:12] <furrywolf> especially on X
[15:02:23] <ssi> home to middle is easy
[15:02:37] <ssi> jog end to end, use the DRO to measure the full travel of the axis
[15:02:45] <ssi> put a home switch at one end and set your home offset to half of the full travel
[15:02:48] <ssi> done
[15:02:53] <furrywolf> see, that's exactly what I can't do. :P
[15:03:16] <furrywolf> the table hits the tailstock, among other annoyances.
[15:03:19] <ssi> on some machines, machine home is more important to be a specific thing
[15:03:46] <ssi> on my hardinge HNC, for instance, I set the machine up so that at machine X=0, the turret centerline is exactly on spindle centerline
[15:04:05] <ssi> and at machine Z=0, the turret face closest to the spindle nose is exactly 10.000" from the shoulder of the spindle nose
[15:04:11] <_methods> most machines will have index marks to help if they have unusual machine home requirements
[15:04:15] <ssi> 10" comes from the way the machine is set up, and where the home switches are
[15:04:16] <furrywolf> and whether the tailstock is present and where it's positioned are variable, so a switch that trips on hitting it wouldn't give you a repeatable position.
[15:04:28] <ssi> and in hindsight, at that position I might actually call it machine Z=10
[15:04:44] <ssi> but it's all arbitrary, and you can set it up however works for you
[15:04:53] <furrywolf> and in the other direction, it hits the lathe chuck... again, depending on whether something is in it, whether it's even attached, etc. so I can't do a travel to a limit switch on either end.
[15:04:56] <ssi> the important coordinate system is the work offset system, which is created by a touchoff
[15:05:08] <_methods> that's what i was saying i didn't want to be an offset nazi lol
[15:05:15] <Simonious> okay.. so this isn't my machine it's a machine I've walked into using.. and they aren't using the limit switches, only the overlimit switches (which kill the machine). So.. 'home' doesn't mean a lot on this machine.
[15:05:19] <_methods> on a hobby machine it may never affect you
[15:05:21] <furrywolf> so I'm thinking of putting one switch exactly in the middle. :P
[15:05:22] <ssi> furrywolf: set up a prox switch in the center of the travel
[15:05:31] <ssi> and use offset to set it to some arbitrary machine Z
[15:05:50] <ssi> Simonious: are there no home switches?
[15:05:50] <Simonious> there is some temptation to fix the limit switches so home means something *shrugs*
[15:05:52] <furrywolf> but, a proximity switch doesn't remember which side of it you're on, so you don't know which direction you need to travel to home.
[15:05:56] <ssi> use the limit switches as home switches
[15:05:58] <Simonious> ssi: there are, but they aren't setup
[15:06:03] <furrywolf> I'm thinking a clicky switch and a mechanism that toggles it to whichever side you're on
[15:06:16] <Simonious> ssi: the switches currently in use trigger estop
[15:06:24] <Simonious> the other set must not be setup properly
[15:06:28] <ssi> Simonious: they can be set up so that they work as homes
[15:06:44] <Simonious> ssi: probably, but there is a second set before the overlimit set, again just not setup
[15:06:44] <ssi> meaning that they'll allow tripping during the home sequence, but once yo'ure homed they act as actual limits
[15:06:49] <ssi> ah ok
[15:07:02] <Simonious> so.. that'll be a future exploration for me..
[15:07:07] <Simonious> for today what I'm doing is working
[15:07:15] <ssi> furrywolf: homing direction is always the same, you'd just need to make sure yo'ure on the correct side of the switch before homing
[15:07:47] <ssi> what I did on my g0602 was have an optical home switch at the far end of the Z travel, and I just make sure the tailstock is slid back enough before homing
[15:07:52] <Simonious> but I've learned in my exploration today that I have more to learn. Specifically that I need to gain an understanding of home vs touch off coordinate systems.
[15:07:55] <ssi> it's not ideal but it works
[15:08:12] <ssi> Simonious: just jog to the ends of each axis and home them there
[15:08:25] <furrywolf> if you use a toggle switch for the home switch, it won't always be the same direction.
[15:08:30] <ssi> Simonious: THEN touch off on your work, which'll ref your work coordinate system
[15:08:43] <furrywolf> if you're on the "on" side of it, it'll back off instead of move towards it.
[15:08:58] <ssi> Simonious: beware that if you unhome and rehome the machine, your work offsets won't repeat where they were
[15:09:10] <Simonious> ssi: I'll go give that a try and see what kind of behavior I get
[15:09:17] <ssi> Simonious: :) let us know
[15:09:32] <Simonious> ssi: if it's good behavior maybe I can justify setting up software limits..
[15:09:35] <renesis> i dont have limit switches, when im done with the machine i do G53 G0 x0 y0 z0
[15:09:48] <renesis> and when i wake it up i home without moving, very repeatable
[15:10:05] <furrywolf> that works great until the first time you crash, estop, fiddle with it while the power is off, etc. :P
[15:10:24] <ssi> or if your Z sags without power
[15:10:28] <furrywolf> that's how I'm currently using my shoptask, but I often move it with the power off.
[15:11:07] <_methods> ewww saggy z's
[15:11:07] <renesis> also personal pref, i home up, left and towards so G53 machine space is always negative
[15:11:38] <renesis> and i try and keep work coordinates positive, so i know G53 or G54 by looking at the sign
[15:12:32] <ssi> that's a neat idea
[15:13:05] <Simonious> no saggy Z here.. we've got a cylinder on it.. sadly it's on the air compressor rather than being a gas cylinder
[15:14:25] <HighOctane> If I want to run linuxcnc using the parallel port using RTAI, what is involved? Just getting the right computer with the right MOBO and chipset and installing from the LiveCD?
[15:14:48] <_methods> you can get a parport card cheap
[15:14:52] <_methods> and put in any computer
[15:15:06] * Simonious ponders
[15:15:15] <renesis> youll prob need a motor driver
[15:15:17] <Simonious> I suspect I was supposed to _HOME_ to the TOP of the Z-axis, yes?
[15:15:25] <_methods> yep
[15:15:37] <renesis> simonious: doesnt matter if you dont have soft limits setup
[15:15:48] <ssi> yeah it's really arbitrary where you home it
[15:15:56] <_methods> some machines i've worked on though use z all the way on table for machine home though
[15:15:59] <HighOctane> Cause I have linuxcnc installed on a system right now but I get an error "RTAPI Error unexpected realtime delay on task 1"
[15:16:00] <furrywolf> HighOctane: timing issues are pretty common with parallel port setups. buying a mesa board avoids them, gives you much faster pulse rates, and gives you more i/o and other features....
[15:16:01] <_methods> so you have to be careful of that
[15:16:04] <ssi> _methods: that sounds like a horrible idea
[15:16:14] <_methods> yeah
[15:16:31] <_methods> i'm always very careful the first time i use g53 on a new machine
[15:16:40] <Simonious> so.. I homed to x0y0z0 where z0 was the bed height.. then I touched off to the work left top corner of the work and _methods I think you can tell me what happened when I hit run..
[15:16:41] <HighOctane> furrywolf: is that error the kind you are talking about?
[15:16:51] <renesis> with soft limits it used to be sa big deal where you homed
[15:16:58] <furrywolf> HighOctane: yes
[15:17:14] <renesis> you couldnt unhome, so you could lock yourself out of the actual home position on the machine
[15:17:16] <Simonious> _methods: but I'll fill you in - it went righ to the bed surface and then started that initial move RIGHT through the stock to the starting point
[15:17:21] <furrywolf> you need to increase your base thread period to avoid that error, which will lower your max step rate
[15:17:24] <_methods> yeah
[15:17:27] <renesis> but now they have unhoming
[15:17:34] <_methods> you need to move max z height
[15:17:38] <_methods> and home
[15:17:43] <Contract_Pilot1> think i may trade this harley for another manual mill Grizzly G0722 find out friday.
[15:17:45] <_methods> then you can touch off on your work
[15:17:45] <renesis> id like to think unhoming is a direct result of my trolling in here over it, heh
[15:18:05] <HighOctane> furrywolf: What MESA card would do well for a basic, 3 axis cnc router?
[15:18:12] <ssi> HighOctane: stepper or servo?
[15:18:22] <HighOctane> ssi: stepper
[15:18:24] <furrywolf> ssi: he's using parport, so I'd wager stepper. :)
[15:18:28] <Contract_Pilot1> 7i76 seems poppular
[15:18:30] <_methods> 7i76-5125
[15:18:32] <ssi> HighOctane: is your computer pci or pcie
[15:18:42] <Simonious> _methods: so then the first thing it will do is climb to max Z, then move ove the first cutting position on the stock and continue correctly from there.
[15:18:45] <Contract_Pilot1> Mesa is out of stock.
[15:18:50] <_methods> yep
[15:18:53] <_methods> Simonious: yes
[15:18:56] <furrywolf> HighOctane: unfortunately, I'm not an expert on mesa boards. PCW is the expert and can help select what you need.
[15:19:04] <furrywolf> I'm waiting for a 7i76e so I can control my machine over ethernet. :)
[15:19:23] <HighOctane> ssi: I think it has both pci and pcie
[15:19:32] <Contract_Pilot1> Yea, they are both due in around the same time.
[15:19:36] <Simonious> _methods: this is acceptable, however I am probably going to set zHOME at .5" over the stock... rather than the machine limit.
[15:19:36] <ssi> HighOctane: I recommend one of the 7i76 plug and go kits
[15:19:49] <HighOctane> ssi: thanks
[15:19:50] <_methods> Simonious: that's fine
[15:19:52] <ssi> HighOctane: 5i25 is pci, 6i25 is pcie, your choice. 7i76 is the daughtercard
[15:19:55] <Wolf_Mill> damn 4mm to 3/8" DI stem adapter is $15...
[15:19:58] <_methods> as long as you knwo where machine home is
[15:20:01] <ssi> HighOctane: the kit comes with both and the cable. Easiest way to get started
[15:20:08] <HighOctane> furrywolf: ethernet sounds good!
[15:20:14] <XXCoder> heys
[15:20:24] <Contract_Pilot1> If this trade goes thru i am gonna off the G0704
[15:20:24] <ssi> HighOctane: I wouldn't start with the ethernet stuff
[15:20:34] <ssi> Contract_Pilot1: "off" it?
[15:20:49] <Contract_Pilot1> Yea, list it on craigs list.
[15:20:50] <HighOctane> ssi: No, probably not. But sounds interesting.
[15:21:34] <ssi> HighOctane: it's fairly new, and it'll be a higher learning curve. For instance, it requires a dedicated ethernet link; you can't just throw it on your network. Basically all that buys you is the ability to use a longer, cheaper cable between your control pc and your machine
[15:21:58] <ssi> HighOctane: the pci/pcie solutions are mature and well-understood, and it'll be quicker to get you up and running
[15:22:54] <Contract_Pilot1> Ugg spent my mesa money today hahaha! now watch they have them instock tomarrow hahaha
[15:23:06] <HighOctane> ssi: Well "quicker to get up and running" is what I'm after. Thanks a lot everyone for your input.
[15:23:16] <ssi> HighOctane: the out of stock issue is discouraging :D
[15:23:32] <ssi> for what it's worth, a 7i76+5i25 kit is the same price as a 7i76e
[15:23:41] <HighOctane> I have used linuxcnc before. But only a little. So the timing issues are new to me.
[15:23:59] <ssi> HighOctane: once you get set up, mesa will open up a whole new world for your machine
[15:24:05] <ssi> parport is a very limiting machine interface
[15:24:50] <HighOctane> cool.
[15:25:28] <ganzuul> 2 micron runout on the spindle/chuck backplate on the 7x lathe...
[15:25:41] <ssi> 2 micron?
[15:25:45] <ganzuul> but the chuck is really tossing it in the wind
[15:25:51] <Connor> ssi: https://youtu.be/7sWLEpNCb7s take a look.. this guy rambles on a while.. but.. really cool tapping arm.
[15:25:51] <ganzuul> yup!
[15:26:02] <ganzuul> 2 micrometer
[15:26:18] <ssi> what are you using to measure that
[15:27:03] <ganzuul> ssi: http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Measurement/Dial-Gauges#Micron-Dial-Gauges
[15:27:23] <Contract_Pilot1> need to trade then chevelle tubular control arms off.
[15:27:57] <ssi> gotcha
[15:28:01] <ganzuul> The 1 micron accuracy one.
[15:28:07] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: nice
[15:28:22] <Wolf_Mill> I'm sure a gauge that cheap is highly accurate
[15:28:25] <ganzuul> Gotta be a pretty good machine if you're doubting the measuring tools!
[15:28:31] <ssi> no, just curious
[15:28:41] <ssi> it's funny to buy a 7x lathe and a .001mm dial indicator :)
[15:29:02] <Connor> Backplate was probably machined on the spindle after installed.. problem is the chuck.. .003" run out is typical.
[15:29:02] <Wolf_Mill> btw, lathe run out needs to be measured from the item held in the chuck
[15:29:08] <ssi> Connor: +1
[15:29:19] <ganzuul> Well I'd have no use for a dial indicator with 30mm of travel...
[15:29:29] <Connor> ssi: The video? or my comment on the backplate? :)
[15:29:45] <ssi> your comment on the backplate
[15:30:41] <ganzuul> Connor: The backplate has a really distinctive tool mark pattern, so you are most likely right.
[15:30:45] <Connor> The KEY when doing stuff with a lathe.. is not to rechuck it if you can avoid it.. use a 4 jaw when possible and indicate it..
[15:31:05] <Wolf_Mill> or a low runout collet chucker
[15:31:05] <ssi> the key to using a lathe is understanding what you can and can't get away with in terms of concentricity, and when it matters
[15:31:12] <ganzuul> Yeah, I have to get a good 4 jaw... This 3 jaw one is sorta dodgy.
[15:31:18] <ssi> you can use the shittiest runout 3 jaw in the world if you can do everything in one operation
[15:31:26] <Connor> or use a collet if possible, per Wolf_Mill comment
[15:31:31] <ssi> get a 4 jaw and learn how to dial it
[15:31:39] <ssi> collets are great, but they're not accurate enough for some work
[15:31:47] <furrywolf> ssi: and aren't using the tailstock. :)
[15:31:50] <ssi> it all depends what your requirements are
[15:32:15] <ssi> furrywolf: yeah true, turning between centers is a good way to maintain concentricity if you need to remove the part or flip it around
[15:32:17] <furrywolf> using a shitty chuck and using the tailstock is an excellent way to make tapered parts. :P
[15:32:26] <ganzuul> ssi: The shittiest 3-jaw in the world: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-Mini-Three-Jaw-Chuck-1-8-56mm-12-65mm-3-jaw-chuck-Mini-Chuck/32384663542.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.2.EXDHSL&ws_ab_test=201526_2,201527_3_71_72_73_74_75,201409_5
[15:32:36] <ganzuul> Fortunately not what came with the lathe.
[15:32:42] <Connor> Oh my.
[15:32:43] <ssi> ganzuul: yeah no thanks :)
[15:32:47] <Connor> that is crappy.
[15:32:54] <Connor> that looks more like one for use with WOOD.
[15:33:14] <Wolf_Mill> any chuck that self centers is going to have some runout unless you get lucky
[15:33:29] <ssi> well there's the glory that is set-tru chucks
[15:33:42] <ssi> all the benefits of a self centering chuck, with the ability to dial out the runout like a 4 jaw
[15:33:54] <Connor> You can always get a 3 jaw with soft jaws.. and turn them....
[15:34:07] <ssi> that's tricky too
[15:34:13] <ssi> it needs to be preloaded adequately
[15:34:16] <Wolf_Mill> only will work for the size you grind it at
[15:34:18] <Connor> true
[15:34:20] <ssi> and that
[15:34:57] <Wolf_Mill> scroll threading is what causes the issues
[15:35:00] <ganzuul> I heard it's possible to switch the jaws around on these 7x lathe default chucks to find their sweetspot. So far, no luck.
[15:35:23] <ssi> scroll chucks need the jaws in a particular place
[15:35:29] <ssi> if they're not already marked, you should take a minute to mark them
[15:35:38] <ssi> if you switch them around, they won't close on center
[15:35:52] <Wolf_Mill> long as you have the order correct
[15:35:52] <Sync> or just use the 4 jaw all the time
[15:35:57] <furrywolf> the sweet spot for the jaws on a chinese chuck is often the garbage bin.
[15:36:09] <ganzuul> They need to be in a prticular order. But they can go in 3 different ways while maintinaing their order.
[15:36:46] <ssi> hm can they?
[15:37:02] <ganzuul> furrywolf: Cosmetically it's a nice bit of metal.
[15:37:05] <furrywolf> yes. but it doesn't help. :P
[15:37:29] <Wolf_Mill> still not sure I would count on a £30.53 DI to really kick out 0.001mm
[15:38:03] <furrywolf> I wouldn't trust the specs on any chinese product.
[15:38:12] <MacGalempsy> hey guys, miss me?
[15:38:29] <ganzuul> Wolf_Mill: I don't really, nor count, it. It's just what I thought was the best value for the money.
[15:38:35] <furrywolf> you left?
[15:38:41] <MacGalempsy> heh
[15:38:45] <XXCoder> you come in?
[15:38:52] <ssi> Wolf_Mill: for the kind of measurement he's doing, the accuracy of the indicator isn't really all that important
[15:39:00] <ssi> he's looking for needle movement moreso than absolute measurement
[15:39:07] <MacGalempsy> well, I left, but not the chat room
[15:39:22] <Wolf_Mill> I have a DI right in front of my face right now thats 0.0001" that I would trust but its not china made, and way more then $50
[15:39:43] <Sync> I currently have a wedge ber chuck, but it is super annoying to always change the jaws
[15:39:51] <ssi> I have a couple mitu .0001" DIs and a half dozen mitu and B&S .0001" DTIs
[15:39:55] <MacGalempsy> went to eat with the wife, pickup some stuff. stopped by the pawn shop and picked up a mitutoyo digital caliper
[15:39:58] <XXCoder> thats 0.00254mm
[15:39:59] <ganzuul> ssi: This is true. It's part of the reason why I opted for an analog device instead of a digital one. - You get anti-aliasing for free.
[15:40:07] <ssi> ganzuul: yep
[15:40:14] <ssi> I don't like digital indicators for the most part
[15:40:18] <Sync> I usually only use the digtal ones
[15:40:21] <ssi> a digital caliper is handy
[15:40:26] <ssi> mostly because of the offsetting
[15:41:02] <Wolf_Mill> I need a stem adapter for my B&S DTI..
[15:41:14] <ssi> I don't think I have any half tentths indicators
[15:41:26] <ssi> I might though... I went on an ebay spree last winter
[15:41:41] <Sync> I got a few extramess, they resolve to 200nm
[15:42:10] <ganzuul> Gonna tear this 3 jaw appart and squeeze it full of moly lube. Worked with the last problem I had.
[15:42:18] <ssi> I wouldn't
[15:42:25] <ssi> it'll collect chips
[15:42:29] <Connor> This is the DTI I have http://www.shars.com/products/measuring/dial-test-indicators/030-dial-test-indicator-0005-1
[15:42:36] <SpeedEvil> graphite on the other hand, ...
[15:42:39] <Wolf_Mill> good way to lap the inside of the chuck
[15:43:03] <Wolf_Mill> wet lube that is
[15:43:09] <malcom2073> Woohoo got my motors, and damn they're huge
[15:43:17] <ssi> malcom2073: what'd you get?!
[15:43:21] <malcom2073> ssi: Nema 34's
[15:43:27] <ssi> steppers?
[15:43:31] <malcom2073> yeah
[15:43:33] <ssi> keling?
[15:43:36] <malcom2073> Shelvign the servos for the time being
[15:43:38] <malcom2073> Wantai
[15:43:38] <XXCoder> big ones.
[15:43:40] <ssi> aha
[15:44:00] <malcom2073> They're 151mm by 86mm heh
[15:44:26] <ssi> malcom2073: you should see the servos in my vmc
[15:44:33] <malcom2073> My servos are bigger sure heh
[15:45:27] <malcom2073> Time to go sanity check my measurements, then get stated on the adapter plates
[15:45:27] <ssi> malcom2073: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzT-LfTIcAAwrGy.jpg:large
[15:45:38] <malcom2073> Nice
[15:45:51] <malcom2073> My servos are a bit smaller than that heh
[15:45:53] <ganzuul> ssi, Wolf_Mill: Moly lube will collect chips & lap?
[15:46:11] <ssi> ganzuul: yes, chips and dust will get trapped in there and work into the scroll threads, and loosen up the chuck
[15:46:40] <ganzuul> Won't that happen anyway?
[15:47:06] <ssi> the grease turns into lapping paste
[15:47:28] <Wolf_Mill> if its dry you can blow the chips out
[15:47:33] <MacGalempsy> ssi: I know how those ebay spress go! lol
[15:47:34] <ganzuul> There is already a lot of grease in it. I fugure I'll just give it some better grease.
[15:47:40] <ssi> MacGalempsy: I had a mini one yesterday
[15:47:43] <ssi> bought four sets of toolmaker's clamps
[15:47:50] <MacGalempsy> what kind of damage?
[15:47:56] <ssi> $120 or so
[15:48:18] <ganzuul> :o
[15:48:18] <MacGalempsy> not too bad
[15:48:23] <MacGalempsy> what did you order?
[15:48:34] <Wolf_Mill> hmm, I got my noga base in, already see one issue...
[15:48:45] <ssi> just toolmaker's clamps
[15:49:01] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/181854146426?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[15:49:06] <MacGalempsy> cool. I keep an eye on "Machinist lot"
[15:49:13] <ssi> three different auctions
[15:49:19] <MacGalempsy> thats a good price
[15:49:30] <ssi> I guess I got three sets... I thought one auction was for two pair but I guess not
[15:49:37] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121746332385?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[15:49:49] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121752752514?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[15:50:10] <MacGalempsy> http://www.ebay.com/itm/231693553569?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[15:50:20] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12027729_1074055379272905_6198080292471330294_n.jpg?oh=b5065c7fbae32f3347e7d911b37747f5&oe=5665ECEA
[15:50:35] <ssi> I've got a backpost set sorta like that
[15:50:58] <MacGalempsy> now all I need is a depth micropmeter, and i'll be set on those. looking for a reasonable calibrated granite
[15:51:16] <ssi> I had a depth mic but it was screwed up from day one and I'm pretty sure I lost it in the fire
[15:51:20] <MacGalempsy> MrSunshine: bahahaha
[15:51:30] <ssi> I need to get another one actually
[15:51:32] <ssi> TO THE EBAY!
[15:52:00] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[15:52:44] <MacGalempsy> ssi: you better back up off my acutions! lol
[15:52:53] <ssi> that must be you bidding on that nice starret set
[15:52:58] * ssi readys his ebay sniper rifle
[15:53:35] <MacGalempsy> there is a mitutoyo one with a digital 1-2" mic that I got my eye on
[15:53:50] <MacGalempsy> http://www.ebay.com/itm/161809550664?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[15:53:59] <MacGalempsy> that was the real treat this week
[15:54:11] <MacGalempsy> once it gets here, I can use it for probe in
[15:55:11] <MacGalempsy> that probe trigger looks like a suicide bomber special lol
[15:55:44] <MacGalempsy> if anyone wants that keyboard, you can have it for free
[16:01:55] <kengu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFR_jTwfRSY - this type of machine will land at workspace next week presumably - said not to be fully working
[16:02:20] <Wolf_Mill> fun, guess I need to turn a adpater to use the 196 DTI on the noga base
[16:05:12] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: carerful or you'll lose your eye ;)
[16:07:50] <MacGalempsy> thanks for the warning XXCoder
[16:08:05] <XXCoder> heh
[16:08:07] <MacGalempsy> anyone ever use the toggle2nist component?
[16:08:38] <XXCoder> anyway, Surfaces shouldnt be too pricy, my coworker said he bought his for only over 100 bucks and it looks like foot and half wide an foot long.
[16:09:36] <XXCoder> of course it depends on size lol
[16:09:43] <XXCoder> and what you need
[16:14:36] <MacGalempsy> I am worried that the surfaces are heavy enough that a crappy shipping job will result in damage
[16:15:40] <XXCoder> probably avid chinese stores
[16:15:47] <XXCoder> avoid
[16:21:56] <PetefromTn_> Hey folks
[16:22:24] <Contract_Pilot1> Son and wife are banned form the tool box my 0-1 & 1-2" inside mic's are missing.
[16:22:38] <PetefromTn_> you mean your clamps?
[16:22:48] <PetefromTn_> :)
[16:22:58] <XXCoder> saw pic of one being used as one.
[16:23:56] <Contract_Pilot1> hahaha so heck listed the 2-3 and 3-4 on feebay. never used the fowlers anyway. My starret are much nicer.
[16:24:14] <Contract_Pilot1> That box has a lock on it!
[16:24:53] <PetefromTn_> man I am finally getting close to having the cash to buy all my lathe stuff again. I am gonna have to make some decisions here on the new motors and drives for the machine...
[16:25:06] <Contract_Pilot1> last time the fowlers were calibrated was umm 2007 hahaha
[16:25:50] <Contract_Pilot> SSI we call it Feebay.
[16:27:57] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Fowler-3-4-inch-1024x576.jpg
[16:28:24] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Fowler-2-3-Inch-1024x576.jpg
[16:28:38] <PetefromTn_> Oh those are inside mics
[16:29:05] <Contract_Pilot> Yep. thats what i said inside mics.
[16:29:21] <Wolf_Mill> so, mini spreader clamps
[16:29:27] <PetefromTn_> yes you did but I missed it
[16:29:56] <malcom2073> Heh kengu: Chinese blue box special? They come from the factory not fully working :P
[16:30:01] <Contract_Pilot> I do not like non full sets in my box
[16:30:09] <malcom2073> Fortunatly they're an electronics retrofit away from being nice
[16:30:58] <Contract_Pilot> I know i will off these and my 0-1 and 1-2 will appear 6 months later!
[16:31:19] <Wolf_Mill> so, anyone here using a noga flex + starrett 196?
[16:31:47] <Contract_Pilot> I still use erector sets.
[16:31:49] <PetefromTn_> no but I like those
[16:32:14] <MacGalempsy> I would off any Fowler tools too
[16:32:32] <MacGalempsy> Fowler reminds me of Folger-tch
[16:32:52] <PetefromTn_> I have a Fowler analog depth mic and it is pretty decent really
[16:33:28] <PetefromTn_> I also have an older Starrett/Craftsman and it is about the same as far as quality and feel
[16:40:59] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073: what are you up to today?
[16:41:15] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: Finishing up the 3d model of the adapter plates I need for my fresh steppers
[16:41:34] <MacGalempsy> sweet
[16:42:08] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately the TECO servos and drives I used on my Cincinatti Arrow 500 conversion do not go down to the Nema 34 size my CNC lathe uses so I am having to look at other options. Any reasonably priced recommendations in a 750 watt AC servo??
[16:52:31] <Tom_itx> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/ac-servo-motors
[16:53:28] <Tom_itx> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/ac-servo-motors/servo-driversimdrive-servo-motor-750w-set
[16:53:48] <PetefromTn_> OOH!
[16:55:35] <PetefromTn_> never seen those before trying to determine if they are 0-10v input
[16:55:51] <Tom_itx> call and ask em
[16:56:12] <PetefromTn_> never heard of simdrive have you?
[16:56:31] <Tom_itx> nope but i've had pretty good luck with the company
[16:56:36] <Tom_itx> automatio....
[16:56:41] <PetefromTn_> that is keling inc right
[16:56:45] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[16:56:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah the last time I spoke with that guy he was kind of hard to understand
[16:57:34] <PetefromTn_> but honestly that seems a reasonable price for that system including cables etc.
[16:57:38] <PetefromTn_> 5meter
[16:58:20] <PetefromTn_> I like the looks of the motor connectors too
[17:02:04] <PetefromTn_> http://www.cs-lab.eu/en/upload/pdf/simDrive/simDrive%20and%20CSM%20connection%20guide.pdf this document says it has encoder A,B,C, and Z and Hall A,B,C this is kinda different from my Teco's
[17:06:26] <flyback> hey Tom_itx https://www.buylazerbond.com/
[17:06:47] <flyback> I don't endorse, promote or sell that product it might be horseshit for all I know
[17:07:04] <flyback> the reason I mention it is I predicted this would happen along with others in industry eventually
[17:07:22] <flyback> selling paints, polymers, glues with a included disposable uv led to set them off
[17:07:25] <flyback> very cool
[17:07:41] <_methods> a tube of superglue with a flashlight?
[17:07:51] <flyback> yes but the glue is activated by the uv led
[17:07:57] <_methods> yeah right
[17:08:01] <flyback> no I am serious
[17:08:10] <flyback> they used shit like this 20 yrs ago on my teeth
[17:08:37] <flyback> there's a bunch of high tech adhesives etc that can be triggered by uv to curde
[17:08:39] <flyback> cure
[17:08:45] <_methods> lies
[17:08:48] <flyback> no
[17:08:51] <DaViruz> hardly
[17:08:58] <DaViruz> it's nothing new
[17:08:59] <flyback> it's very sound tech
[17:09:04] <_methods> impossible
[17:09:11] <DaViruz> it's been used for glass adhesives for a long time
[17:09:11] * flyback bites _methods for excessive "canuck tendencies"
[17:09:48] <_methods> as seen on tv uv cure adhesive
[17:10:17] <Contract_Pilot> What to do with the rest of my day? Still have not unpacked from the gun show.
[17:10:30] <PetefromTn_> those servos and drives require a power module but it SEEMS that one module will run both amps
[17:10:44] <Contract_Pilot> have about 2,000 ak-47 magazines to check and sort!
[17:10:51] <Contract_Pilot> just no motovation.
[17:12:03] <flyback> I remmebered reading about improvements in leds espically uv ones and how they could see a product selling with a cheap uv emitter to activate it
[17:12:16] <flyback> just keep the emitter away from kids
[17:12:24] <flyback> end up with cataracts or skin cancer
[17:12:48] <flyback> long term people not using the product properly
[17:13:07] <flyback> _methods, again I am not endorsing the product
[17:13:30] <flyback> I am endorsing the fact we finally reached the point where it's economical to see something uv activated and include the emitter
[17:13:36] <flyback> see/sell
[17:16:45] <_methods> wouldn't you have to have an msds for a product like that
[17:17:19] <Tom_itx> flapjack is back!
[17:17:28] <flyback> na just visiting
[17:17:34] <flyback> and BMC Tom_itx
[17:17:38] <Tom_itx> phew!
[17:17:40] * flyback hurls ve7it at Tom_itx
[17:17:42] <Tom_itx> :)
[17:18:46] <flyback> http://www.brightreviews.com/lazer-bond-reviews
[17:18:59] <flyback> see like I said same tech from dentist and electronics bonding
[17:19:07] <flyback> bbl autism community night
[17:21:06] <_methods> can you sell a chemical product like that without having a msds available
[17:21:12] <_methods> i can't find one for it at all
[17:21:21] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx just got off the phone with that guy at keling
[17:21:27] <Deejay> gn8
[17:21:47] <Tom_itx> and?
[17:21:48] <PetefromTn_> he said the motors and drives are actually european CS Labs manufacture but I kinda doubt that
[17:22:11] <Tom_itx> why?
[17:22:19] <PetefromTn_> apparently they run 325v and you have to buy a power module to run them on single phase input like I want
[17:22:27] <PetefromTn_> well the price mostly
[17:22:40] <Tom_itx> maybe they buy alot of them
[17:22:43] <Tom_itx> and get a good price
[17:22:46] <PetefromTn_> cannot imagine a euro product being as cheap as chinese stuff
[17:22:53] <PetefromTn_> that is possible I suppose
[17:23:00] <Tom_itx> dinner..
[17:23:01] <PetefromTn_> they certainly LOOK nice
[17:23:17] <Tom_itx> dl the specs and look
[17:23:24] <PetefromTn_> I am
[17:24:08] <PetefromTn_> if they are indeed decent quality it would be nice to have a US supplier and I could equip this lathe for around $1400 or so
[17:24:13] <PetefromTn_> not bad really
[17:24:16] <_methods> just don't buy any german stuff
[17:24:26] <PetefromTn_> I know they lie LOL
[17:24:27] <_methods> its all hacked with cheat code to make it look good
[17:24:28] <_methods> lol
[17:25:08] <_methods> german scam artists
[17:25:32] <PetefromTn_> If those will work I can get the whole lathe done with all brand new motors and drives/cables on both axes and the Hitachi Sindle drive for $2300 thereabouts
[17:25:43] <PetefromTn_> Spindle
[17:26:03] <PetefromTn_> I can live with that for closed loop servo control..
[17:30:14] <MacGalempsy> This topic came up last night in class. Why do we still have to use a H word and D work for tool compensation when we are telling the program that we are using T01?
[17:30:46] <MacGalempsy> it seems like the gcode would have evolved to eleminate error possibility
[17:30:48] <PetefromTn_> because sometimes you only program for height not diameter
[17:30:59] <PetefromTn_> I do that all the time
[17:31:08] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: but if we are pulling from the tool table, who cares?
[17:32:21] <PetefromTn_> I do because as I just said sometimes I do not program for diameter but you gotta use height really if you are changing tools. So my CAM calls out what it is programmed to based on my toolpath selections
[17:32:46] <PetefromTn_> or maybe I am misunderstanding the question
[17:33:40] <_methods> or multiple diameter offsets
[17:33:42] <MacGalempsy> I guess the question is, if we are defining T01 in the tool table, why are we still having to use the H and D words when the values of H and D are stored in the tool table?
[17:33:58] <MacGalempsy> so you have T01 H01 D01, all referring to the same entry in the tool table
[17:34:14] <MacGalempsy> eliminate H01 and D01, and let T01 do all the work
[17:34:31] <_methods> you may want to use diff h or d
[17:34:35] <_methods> depending on the op
[17:34:38] <MacGalempsy> when?
[17:34:44] <_methods> i've had to do it before
[17:34:50] <MacGalempsy> please give an example when you would do that?
[17:34:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah I did not even think of that but you could
[17:35:13] <_methods> i had a part that had a very tight tolerance on another op
[17:35:19] <_methods> and used a diff dia comp
[17:35:44] <_methods> ive had to do it a couple times for weird setups or ops
[17:35:51] <MacGalempsy> ah, so for particular parts you want to trial machine, you will use a different D word for the same tool
[17:35:57] <PetefromTn_> The code calls out what parameters to use for the machining operation to the control the H01 and D01 just read those parameters... you do not need to use either in particular..
[17:36:47] <PetefromTn_> another for instance I have a particular endmill as tool 3 and 4
[17:37:01] <PetefromTn_> both are the same diameter but different length offsets
[17:37:21] <PetefromTn_> I use one on a different Diameter for creeping up on things while leaving the other actual
[17:37:23] <MacGalempsy> when you mic both bits they are EXACTLY the same?
[17:37:40] <MacGalempsy> ok, I get it
[17:37:51] <PetefromTn_> pretty much same manuf etc.
[17:38:41] <_methods> its not very common to have to do that but you have the option at least if you have to
[17:39:26] <_methods> i've had to use it mostly when running more than one part in teh same machine
[17:39:37] <_methods> especially on a dense tombstone
[17:42:23] <_methods> i program wear also so i need multiple D words for the same tool
[17:42:48] <_methods> like say i programmed the part for a 1/4" end mill t1
[17:42:57] <_methods> but i put in a 3/8" end mill in t1
[17:43:15] <_methods> but i use that same tool on another part and it's supposed to be 3/8"
[17:43:24] <_methods> then i an just use a diff D
[17:43:34] <_methods> 1 for the offset wear and one for the actual wear
[17:45:24] <Computer_barf> what do you guys think of tormachs pathpilot?
[17:45:51] <Computer_barf> i means it seems to be just a reskinning of linuxcnc with some added conversational
[17:45:54] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah man LinuxCNC is GREAT!!
[17:46:41] <Computer_barf> i like that they redid the interface
[17:47:03] <Computer_barf> i mean it seems like a really simple thing that could be done to improve appeal
[17:47:32] <_methods> what's wrong with axis?
[17:47:41] <Computer_barf> it's ugly
[17:48:03] <ssi> don't call axis ugly! you'll hurt it's feelings :'(
[17:48:15] <_methods> fit, form, function
[17:48:29] <PetefromTn_> I must agree ;)
[17:48:42] <Computer_barf> i mean it shouldn't take a rocket surgeon to see that improving an interface to look professional improves public appeal
[17:49:11] <ssi> I take it you're volunteering
[17:49:18] <_methods> public appeal lol
[17:49:27] <Computer_barf> yeah, its fit , form , function, not fit, function.
[17:50:01] <PetefromTn_> We shouldn't need a volunteer it is alread done!
[17:50:25] <ssi> sure, if you can get tormach to volunteer to contribute and open source their changes
[17:50:59] <PetefromTn_> shouldn't need to get to :D
[17:51:15] <ssi> cool, let me know when it's merged
[17:51:17] <Computer_barf> ok so if the interface is made in gtk, I would presume gtk is capable of showing an image rather than a button
[17:55:11] <Computer_barf> wait is it correct that its gtk?
[18:00:04] <enleth> Gentlemen, the bridgeport head works after reassembly.
[18:00:36] <enleth> The adjustment range is quite formidable when combined with a VFD.
[18:00:56] <Computer_barf> "AXIS is a graphical front-end for LinuxCNC which features a live preview and backplot. It is written in Python and uses Tk and OpenGL to display its user interface."
[18:01:15] <Computer_barf> is the tk in that quite a mistake or is tk something diffrent than gtk
[18:01:21] <enleth> Although I have to use a portable drill to crank the adjustment screw, the pneumatic motor being dead.
[18:02:50] <ssi> tk != gtk
[18:02:55] <enleth> Computer_barf: "Tk" alone often refers to this: http://www.tcl.tk/software/tcltk/
[18:03:09] <PetefromTn_> enleth congrats man
[18:03:10] <enleth> Computer_barf: the toolkit part, to be exact
[18:03:57] <enleth> PetefromTn_: there is bad news too: I think I may have damaged the motor bearings by banging the stuck pulleys with a huge mallet
[18:04:10] <enleth> There is a *huge*, easily noticeable wobble/runout
[18:04:29] <enleth> And I don't think it was there when I started
[18:04:33] <enleth> Can't be sure now, though
[18:05:06] <enleth> And I'm not sure how dangerous what I did was to the bearings
[18:05:28] <enleth> Maybe they were worn in the first place and my percussive maintenance practices just accelerated their death
[18:05:35] <PetefromTn_> generally speaking...as a rule.....larger hammers and precision bearings do not mix ;)
[18:06:13] <enleth> Well, rusted shafts and pulley havles don't mix with variable geometry pulleys either
[18:06:56] <enleth> And even if I damaged those bearings, it shouldn't be too hard or expensive to replace them
[18:07:13] <enleth> The biggest PITA is taking the motor off
[18:08:04] <enleth> On most bridgeports the motor is mounted pointing upwards and it's the easiest part to remove on the whole damn mill.
[18:08:13] <enleth> On mine, it points down, into a recess in the ram
[18:09:47] <enleth> And it's FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE to wiggle it out of there without lifting the upper portion of the head (or the whole head in one piece) by about 8cm
[18:10:33] <enleth> The only major part that is more difficult to remove is the knee.
[18:12:29] <PetefromTn_> I did not mean to bust your chops I was just kidding. I am sure it was a pain in the butt I have had to take apart MANY machines and there is always some problem or issue LOL
[18:13:40] <enleth> There's also one spindle bearing that makes a funny noise
[18:13:57] <enleth> One of the upper pair I think, so it's not an urgent problem
[18:14:27] <enleth> I guess I should just replace all the spindle bearings to be sure
[18:16:55] <enleth> Funnily enough, I've got a bearing factory across the street.
[18:17:28] <enleth> I have to drop by and say hello to the guys at the factory store.
[18:53:52] <zeeshan> is it illegal for a company to install spy ware on an employees computer?
[18:53:57] <zeeshan> so they can see their desktop
[18:55:33] <cradek> who owns the computer?
[18:55:37] <zeeshan> company
[18:55:48] <cradek> truly doubt it
[18:55:54] <Jymmm> They can do ANYTHING they want with THEIR computer
[18:56:07] <cradek> (employee handbook at my work explicitly says they can - maybe check yours)
[18:56:17] <furrywolf> they probably have to let you know
[18:56:20] <zeeshan> im not an employee
[18:56:28] <zeeshan> im indepdendent contractor
[18:56:30] <Jymmm> Then dont use their computer
[18:56:30] <cradek> furrywolf: doubt that
[18:56:59] <cradek> in my area, I understand recording *audio* of employees without their knowing is illegal
[18:57:03] <furrywolf> cradek: there's lots of laws about when you're allowed to monitor and what... for example, our cameras at work aren't allowed to record audio, for some law or the other.
[18:57:04] <cradek> so it might be complicated
[18:57:23] <cradek> yeah and it also probably varies from place to place
[18:58:00] <cradek> zeeshan: bet the only way you'll get a real answer is from an employment lawyer in your area
[18:58:09] <Jymmm> Some laws are weird... you can VIDEO tape someone, but NOT record the audio =)
[18:58:46] <zeeshan> cradek i was just curious :P
[19:00:10] <furrywolf> also, according to the US, it's perfectly legal for the US to install spyware on your computer too, anywhere in the world. :P
[19:00:47] <cradek> and take a copy of all your data off of it without a warrant, if you cross a border
[19:00:56] <zeeshan> how do you guys irc from work? :P
[19:01:02] <malcom2073> I open up IRC
[19:01:03] * furrywolf doesn't
[19:01:04] <malcom2073> and connect
[19:01:25] <cradek> yeah I don't understand the question :-)
[19:01:48] <zeeshan> well if your employee has the right to monitor your comp
[19:01:54] <zeeshan> im sure they wont apprecite you being on irc
[19:02:07] <furrywolf> my suggestion would be not to work at any place that distrusts you so much as to want spyware on your computer.
[19:02:18] <t12> very few orgs have the warewithall or time to care
[19:02:24] <zeeshan> ill tell you what happened
[19:02:27] <zeeshan> i know a guy
[19:02:32] <zeeshan> he randomly came up to me today and goes
[19:02:41] <zeeshan> "hey man i heard you know how to remotely access a computer from here"
[19:02:47] <zeeshan> "can you tell me how, i want to try"
[19:02:54] <zeeshan> i've known him from my coop job
[19:02:57] <zeeshan> we've gone out for lunches and stuff
[19:03:13] <zeeshan> why i got really weirded out was, ive only had the software installed for 2 days.
[19:03:19] <zeeshan> er since thursday
[19:03:22] <t12> lol
[19:03:27] <t12> did you say
[19:03:39] <Wolf_Mill> IT is clueless and wants to plug the hole
[19:03:43] <t12> google teamviewer and follow instructions
[19:03:44] <zeeshan> i asked him how he knew
[19:03:50] <zeeshan> he's like i got my sources
[19:03:54] <zeeshan> so completely weird.
[19:04:05] <zeeshan> honestly i remote in to access my massive reference files
[19:04:09] <zeeshan> in total they prolly are around 100gigs
[19:04:16] <zeeshan> how the heck am i supposed to take that to work?
[19:04:24] <zeeshan> i open the file i need to access
[19:04:27] <furrywolf> 128GB thumbdrive. :P
[19:04:37] <zeeshan> they make em that big?
[19:04:43] <t12> ya
[19:04:43] <zeeshan> last time i checked they only went upto 64gib
[19:04:46] <zeeshan> and the bigger models are slow
[19:04:52] <t12> or usb hd whatever
[19:05:02] <zeeshan> too much to carry
[19:05:04] <Wolf_Mill> they make 128gb micro sdxc
[19:05:06] <SpeedEvil> they make microSDs that big
[19:05:07] <zeeshan> i dont wanna share them with anyone
[19:05:08] <SpeedEvil> you can get terabyte keychain SSDs
[19:05:21] <zeeshan> the other thing is
[19:05:22] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/HyperX-DataTraveler-Predator-Flash-Drive/dp/B00E65QM8O
[19:05:28] <zeeshan> i dint wanna open my personal references on the company comp
[19:05:35] <zeeshan> cause i don't know what the laws are for that
[19:05:39] <zeeshan> cause i've gought these ebooks and stuff
[19:05:44] <zeeshan> bought
[19:06:22] <zeeshan> im honestly really weirded out
[19:06:24] <zeeshan> its bothering me
[19:06:28] <zeeshan> how he knew
[19:07:03] <t12> lol
[19:07:09] <t12> paranoia
[19:07:21] <zeeshan> i don't appreciate being spied on
[19:07:25] <Wolf_Mill> IT dept probably saw the port running via the firewall
[19:07:32] <zeeshan> im not doing anything illegal or anything
[19:07:39] <zeeshan> i just don't like being snooped on
[19:07:46] <zeeshan> im sure no one does
[19:07:53] <zeeshan> its like having someone watch over your shoulder all day long
[19:08:24] <t12> just watch offe sive porn until they stop!
[19:10:48] <Wolf_Mill> stream mrpete222 vids all day, when they look in to it the IT guys will get so bored they wont check anymore
[19:13:06] <t12> https://m.youtube.com/user/TheGnomeWhisperer
[19:13:11] <t12> whatch those all day
[19:13:40] <zeeshan> lol Wolf_Mill
[19:15:42] <furrywolf> or just browse fchan or such until they need eyebleach and stop watching you.
[19:16:41] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Why not bring in your own laptop?
[19:16:55] <zeeshan> i could
[19:16:58] <zeeshan> but might be a bit od?
[19:16:59] <zeeshan> odd?
[19:17:22] <malcom2073> Erm, if they think that's weird, they'll likely think you doing personal things on company property weird
[19:18:38] <SpeedEvil> use your own tablet.
[19:18:39] <furrywolf> or if fchan doesn't do it, there's also beastforum or something like that... I've never been on it, but I've heard normal people would require much mindwash.
[19:20:20] <flyback> <enleth> PetefromTn_: there is bad news too: I think I may have damaged the motor bearings by banging the stuck pulleys with a huge mallet
[19:20:35] <flyback> oh he's polish
[19:20:41] <flyback> that explains the stupidity
[19:20:43] * flyback runs
[19:20:46] <flyback> joking :)
[19:20:54] <flyback> actually I seen some smart guys from your country
[19:21:34] <flyback> enleth, suggestion
[19:21:48] <flyback> if it's as bad as you make it sound to be to pull the parts to replace them
[19:22:05] <flyback> this would defintely be one of those times when the $30 bearings are better to get than the $20 bearings
[19:22:06] <flyback> :P
[19:22:29] <flyback> that reminds me thx
[19:22:37] <flyback> I need to order a bearing puller eventually
[19:22:51] <flyback> hey furrywolf how goes the battery bank?
[19:24:49] <flyback> defintely one of the coolest tools we ever invented
[19:24:52] <flyback> bearing pullers
[19:25:09] <enleth> flyback: yeah, I do intend to buy the best bearings out there
[19:25:34] <flyback> at least for the stuff that takes 8 hrs to remove
[19:25:39] <flyback> mabye not everything
[19:25:55] <flyback> but defintely for the stuff you are going to end up swearing and smashing a thumb trying to replacde
[19:25:56] <flyback> :P
[19:26:25] <flyback> I got some nice blower units from discarded portable a/c units we wore out from work I need to change bearings on
[19:26:39] <enleth> flyback: I did not have one at hand, so I made one with some scrap wood and a pair of carpenter's clamps
[19:26:39] <flyback> blowers are almost all mint they just have tired bearings from running overheated
[19:26:45] <malcom2073> That reminds me, I need to replace the bearings on my heater blower before this winter heh
[19:27:07] <enleth> But it didn't do shit without few hours of penetrating oil and mallet usage
[19:27:11] <malcom2073> It has no bearings atm, just a steel shaft spinning on steel brackets atm, the belt tightness keeps it tight and stops it from rattling haha
[19:27:12] <enleth> *a few
[19:27:20] * Wolf_Mill needs to install heat in the house before the winter...
[19:27:26] <malcom2073> Yeah that's kinda important
[19:27:31] <enleth> malcom2073: funny, me too.
[19:27:39] <flyback> I just fixed my generator recentely but I might get a carb rebuilt kit even though it's only 1-2 yrs old
[19:27:50] <flyback> cause I left gas in it too long and the float fused to the bowel
[19:27:52] <flyback> btw
[19:27:53] <enleth> malcom2073: the blower is absurdly loud now
[19:27:55] <flyback> here's a tip
[19:28:02] <flyback> I found those plastic scouring pads
[19:28:10] <malcom2073> flyback: Convert to LPG :-D
[19:28:17] <flyback> are really good for rubbing corrosion burrs off metal
[19:28:22] <flyback> without sanding off a ton
[19:28:27] <malcom2073> flyback: The green ones?
[19:28:29] <flyback> I could it's 4 stroke
[19:28:31] <enleth> oooh, http://www.icai-online.com/ sells spare parts even for CNC 2J2 heads.
[19:28:32] <flyback> white ones
[19:28:54] <flyback> I got a 1400w gen on sale for $150
[19:29:08] <flyback> enough power to operate the gas furnace in winter was all I was trying to achieve
[19:29:17] <enleth> malcom2073: I saw an ad for a Honda RX-8 converted to LPG today. I
[19:29:30] <enleth> I'm not a car guy, but it still made me cringe.
[19:29:36] <flyback> why
[19:29:38] <malcom2073> That's all I needed, a generator to run my furnace pump, I have a 70's Onan 4kw, LPG parts were about $80 for the conversion, just had to mill an adapter for my intake and bolt everything together
[19:29:43] <flyback> propane runs consistant and clean
[19:29:51] <malcom2073> LPG doesn't make much sense on automobiles
[19:29:57] <malcom2073> Just because of the logistics of storage and transportation
[19:30:09] <flyback> little less power but they don't run generator engines full throttle anyways
[19:30:11] <malcom2073> And you know... danger :)
[19:30:21] <flyback> i'd do either dual gas propane/ng
[19:30:26] <flyback> or propane/ng/gasoline
[19:30:44] <malcom2073> Yeah get a tri-fuel kit so you can swap back and forth, mine bolts on the intake above the carb so I can still do gasoline if I wanted
[19:31:07] <furrywolf> note that here lpg costs more than gasoline
[19:31:16] <furrywolf> and thus you see exactly zero lpg vehicles.
[19:31:17] <flyback> I really like champion brand generators, american company they bought the china plant so they own and control it 100%
[19:31:27] <flyback> better quality than your standard chinease generator with a name bolted on
[19:31:39] <furrywolf> champion is garbage
[19:31:40] <Wolf_Mill> guess I need to finish this thing http://i.imgur.com/bZkSI6q.jpg
[19:31:55] <furrywolf> and generac is garbage too these days.
[19:32:07] <malcom2073> Oh man Wolf_Mill, at my work we have a 1.6L TDI turbo diesel that is gonna go up for auction
[19:32:15] <malcom2073> I'm gonna try to get it and make a generator off it
[19:32:19] <furrywolf> heh, the local costco sells generac-branded eu2000i clones... the in-warranty failure rate is staggering.
[19:32:23] <flyback> furrywolf, I dunno guy on youtube was renting them to people $40/day
[19:32:30] <flyback> he was getting 4000 hrs out of champion ones
[19:32:37] <flyback> generac died after 500
[19:32:48] <flyback> and the champion still ran fine it was just good business idea to replace them
[19:33:01] <furrywolf> http://www.amazon.com/Generac-5793-Generator-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B002NKMG66 do not buy.
[19:33:14] <furrywolf> I think they've shipped out four pallets of them, 8 per pallet, this week alone...
[19:33:31] <Contract_Pilot> Wish someone would trade me a mesa 7I76 5I25 combo for a bunch of AK-47 magazines
[19:33:51] <furrywolf> I don't have the mesa boards, and the mags get you tossed in jail here.
[19:33:56] <flyback> ah inverter type those are the best for most stable power and less gas usage but $$$$
[19:33:57] <malcom2073> Heh
[19:34:10] <Contract_Pilot> hahaha CA?
[19:34:22] <furrywolf> Contract_Pilot: of course. :P
[19:34:32] <Contract_Pilot> You can own them just not use them
[19:34:50] <furrywolf> the pile of those eu2000i clones in the back of costco is just plain scary.
[19:35:09] <furrywolf> they ship more of them back than just about every other product they sell, combined.
[19:35:22] <flyback> yeah some of the random gen brands ar epretty scary
[19:35:30] <flyback> although that 900w for $59 on sale
[19:35:35] <flyback> i'd gamble on one for that price
[19:35:45] <flyback> 2 stroke though
[19:36:03] <furrywolf> buy honda or yamaha. :P
[19:36:12] <flyback> something that cheap you get one good outage or job run and it shits itself, paid in full
[19:36:20] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: Did I tell you I picked up a john deer push mower, the kind with swivel front wheels for free.....
[19:36:23] <flyback> but for everyday defintely like furrywolf said
[19:36:43] <Wolf_Mill> malcom2073: nope lol
[19:37:16] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: And a craftsman riding mower with a broken steering gear ($36 fix, probably fix that and trade for a snowblowder come spring). But the john deer is prime candidate for RC control!
[19:37:43] <Wolf_Mill> is it a walk behind or full push mower?
[19:38:00] <furrywolf> a used honda costs the same as a new china, and will still far outlast it.
[19:38:13] <flyback> http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/champion-power-equipment-1400w-1800w-portable-generator-carb-compliant
[19:38:14] <malcom2073> It's self propelled if that's what you're asking?
[19:38:42] <flyback> that's what she said?
[19:38:47] <malcom2073> heyohh
[19:38:57] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, what type tho, belt drive tank steer or homeowner type shove to steer
[19:39:08] <malcom2073> Hmmm, good question
[19:39:33] <furrywolf> heh, amazon reviews of the generac eu2000i clone are 45% 1-star.
[19:39:35] <malcom2073> I've not dug into it yet, it runs a little rough, he thinks he bent the crank, but I think he just sheared the crank key
[19:39:46] <furrywolf> and I think the other 55% reviewed it after only using it once.
[19:39:47] <Wolf_Mill> not that it matters if you go with electric motors to drive it
[19:40:12] <malcom2073> I figured I'd have to go electric, I didn't think about it being possible to use the self propelled thing to do it
[19:40:20] <Wolf_Mill> btw I have a spare set of 90deg wheelchair motors
[19:40:24] <malcom2073> Do ya now? :)
[19:40:58] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, seeing I have 2 full power chairs and a stripped down hoverround
[19:41:05] <malcom2073> Heh
[19:41:55] <Wolf_Mill> your dad is in carroll co?
[19:42:04] <flyback> champion used a licenced clone of a mitbushi engine
[19:42:08] <malcom2073> Yeah, Westminster
[19:42:27] <flyback> I did months of research after a big 16 hr outage in winter
[19:42:32] <Wolf_Mill> oh cool, like 20-30mins up the road from here
[19:42:37] <malcom2073> Nice not far
[19:42:44] <malcom2073> I thought you were further south
[19:42:59] <Wolf_Mill> nope like 14miles south
[19:43:17] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/5235979014.html what should I spend for one of those?
[19:43:24] <malcom2073> Heh. We may have to work something out, I'll figure out if this mower is even usable
[19:43:48] <flyback> nice
[19:43:49] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Someone else here was looking at those
[19:43:55] <malcom2073> Or maybe it was you
[19:44:05] <flyback> furrywolf, did I ever show you french river hydro's score
[19:44:10] <Wolf_Mill> I have enough shit in the shop that we could build a rc w/ electric motors from scratch
[19:44:19] <flyback> compant that refurbs abandoned hydroelectric plants
[19:44:33] <flyback> and sells the power or they sell the plant or if the plant needs to be removed they salvage generators, turbines etc
[19:44:34] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: I have a couple spare ardupilots if you want to turn your mower into a rover :P
[19:44:43] <flyback> they got this lathe or mill can't remember now
[19:44:44] <furrywolf> malcom2073: it was me. :P
[19:44:50] <flyback> it's like the size of a building
[19:45:11] <flyback> like smoothing the teeth on one of the gears is a 3 man 3 month job etc
[19:45:14] <flyback> but I guess it was worth it
[19:45:17] <Wolf_Mill> malcom2073: I am going to do 2.4ghz fpv w/ 433uhf control on the mower
[19:45:42] <malcom2073> Ah nice
[19:46:08] <flyback> http://www.frenchriverland.com/
[19:46:12] <malcom2073> I figured I'd buy a cheap FPV setup, and use the 2.4ghz ardupilot link. I have a30ft tower on my house
[19:46:15] <flyback> terrorified of those abandoned hydro pics
[19:46:23] <flyback> with like dark green water and machinery
[19:46:27] <flyback> I have nightmares :P
[19:46:33] <furrywolf> I still haven't gotten a good idea on what one of those lathes is worth.
[19:47:03] <renesis> one million dollars
[19:47:12] * renesis pinkie to chin
[19:47:40] <furrywolf> ?
[19:47:54] <renesis> omfg youve never seen austin powers?
[19:48:14] <Wolf_Mill> furry lives under a rock or something
[19:48:18] <flyback> furrywolf, http://picasaweb.google.com/105306284585352493396/NilesBoringMillRebuild?authkey=Gv1sRgCJzpsZ_soJGCIw&gsessionid=JZXsNHt8fGjpjQ_bYYPQFA
[19:48:18] <renesis> srsly
[19:48:48] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Doesn't have enough bandwidth to watch netflix
[19:49:01] <renesis> austin powers happened before the internet
[19:49:05] <flyback> I guess that old dinosaur is worth the $$
[19:49:06] <furrywolf> I've seen bits of it at people's houses. looked utterly idiotic.
[19:49:07] <renesis> slightly
[19:49:07] <flyback> rebuilding it
[19:49:32] <renesis> flyback: clausing is supposed to be good shit, ive seen them in two academic labs which basically means theyre tanks
[19:49:47] <flyback> clusing?
[19:49:58] <flyback> clausing
[19:50:13] <renesis> http://www.clausing-industrial.com/
[19:50:20] <flyback> oh they make that boring machine?
[19:50:29] <furrywolf> I think renesis meant to address me.
[19:50:32] <flyback> ah
[19:50:36] <renesis> theyre ancient they probably make everything
[19:50:39] * flyback smacks renesis
[19:50:46] <malcom2073> My mill is a Clausing/Kondia
[19:50:50] <renesis> flyback: mfkr
[19:50:52] <renesis> also, hi
[19:50:57] <flyback> furrywolf, what do you think of that beast?
[19:51:04] <flyback> 120 niles boring machine
[19:57:54] <Tom_itx> learned about contour tool just now :)
[19:57:58] <Tom_itx> in SW
[19:58:26] <tiwake> would linuxCNC make a good controller for a car for its normal functions?
[19:58:48] <tiwake> things like the throttle, dash gauges, sensors... etc.
[19:58:53] <Tom_itx> i doubt it
[19:59:02] <malcom2073> Lol
[19:59:06] <zeeshan> hehe
[19:59:13] <malcom2073> Make a good? No, could it? Sure
[19:59:14] * Tom_itx smacks zeeshan
[19:59:17] <zeeshan> hi
[19:59:21] <Tom_itx> how many parts are done?
[19:59:28] <tiwake> why would it not be good for that?
[19:59:29] <zeeshan> not touching em till friday
[19:59:30] <zeeshan> :P
[19:59:38] <Tom_itx> i've done about 12-14 parts in SW / catia now
[19:59:43] <zeeshan> nice
[19:59:47] <Tom_itx> learning
[19:59:50] <zeeshan> hows it working out
[19:59:51] <Tom_itx> and learning the differences
[19:59:53] <Tom_itx> good
[20:00:24] <Tom_itx> trying to pick up on the 'tricks' that speed things up
[20:00:58] <zeeshan> heres one
[20:01:05] <zeeshan> when applying assembly constraints in solidworks
[20:01:11] <zeeshan> place the first constraint
[20:01:11] <Tom_itx> and how to draw them so you can get all the features you want from one flat sketch if possible
[20:01:12] <zeeshan> place the second
[20:01:15] <zeeshan> right after the second
[20:01:19] <zeeshan> within 1second
[20:01:24] <Tom_itx> i'm not doing assemblies yet
[20:01:27] <zeeshan> you gotta press the right click button
[20:01:33] <Tom_itx> i've done a couple but not right now
[20:01:33] <zeeshan> it'll hit "apply"
[20:01:37] <zeeshan> rather than having to go find the apply key
[20:01:53] <zeeshan> yea hole tool
[20:01:55] <zeeshan> is one important one
[20:01:58] <zeeshan> dont just draw a hole :P
[20:02:07] <zeeshan> drives me insane at work
[20:02:12] <zeeshan> so many people still draw holes manually?
[20:03:06] * furrywolf still drills holes manually, having yet to find a cad/cam solution
[20:03:10] <Tom_itx> what menu is that on?
[20:03:12] <furrywolf> get your lumps all done?
[20:03:25] <zeeshan> the assembly thing ?
[20:03:30] <Tom_itx> hole
[20:03:43] <zeeshan> right next to extruded cut
[20:03:46] <Tom_itx> i may not have all the 'new' features... i'm using an ancient ver
[20:03:49] <zeeshan> in features command menu
[20:03:50] <zeeshan> oh
[20:03:53] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Is your machine running?
[20:03:56] <zeeshan> not sure :(
[20:03:58] <malcom2073> I thought it was still um... palletized?
[20:04:00] <zeeshan> furrywolf: hush :P
[20:04:18] <Tom_itx> there _is_ a hole wizzard
[20:04:40] <zeeshan> thats what i mean
[20:04:55] <furrywolf> zeeshan: did you at least get the five you pasted the other day done? :P
[20:05:02] <Tom_itx> that looks more involved than just drawing it
[20:05:03] <zeeshan> long done
[20:05:07] <zeeshan> im done 10
[20:05:08] <zeeshan> since that
[20:05:18] <furrywolf> malcom2073: it's fully functional, but I haven't built the electronics enclosure yet, and all the drives, etc are sitting loose next to the machine, waiting for chips to land on them.
[20:05:25] <zeeshan> im not posting anything
[20:05:28] <zeeshan> cause its just production work
[20:05:36] <furrywolf> well, not fully, as I still don't have spindle encoders yet.
[20:05:37] <zeeshan> pics of the same thing over and over isn't attention grabbing :P
[20:05:45] <Tom_itx> zeeshan what ver SW are you using?
[20:05:48] <furrywolf> how long is each batch of 5 taking?
[20:05:52] <zeeshan> 2015
[20:05:53] <malcom2073> Ah gotcha heh
[20:05:55] <malcom2073> Sounds safe
[20:06:03] <Tom_itx> i've got access to it but not using that
[20:06:13] <zeeshan> furrywolf: about 3hrs
[20:06:19] <zeeshan> ive optimized the time down
[20:06:27] <zeeshan> might be able to put it down to 2h 15m
[20:06:33] <zeeshan> its a good profit
[20:06:39] <zeeshan> but im still recovering from all the development time i spent
[20:06:44] <zeeshan> and cam programming etc
[20:06:45] <furrywolf> that's not bad for 5 at a time.
[20:06:54] <zeeshan> after the first 20
[20:06:56] <zeeshan> ill be happy
[20:07:03] <furrywolf> don't forget to deduct contractor consultation payments from your profit. :P
[20:07:21] <zeeshan> i already sent you $1.50 zimbawan dollars
[20:08:32] <furrywolf> meh. I should draw the line at helping people who are going to make money off what I help them with.
[20:08:32] <furrywolf> I like helping people, but if they're going to get rich off it...
[20:08:41] <Tom_itx> i tried the wizzard just now...
[20:08:50] <Tom_itx> if i can remember it's there i might use it
[20:08:57] <zeeshan> furrywolf: don't help then :P
[20:09:02] <zeeshan> and i don't meant to put your help down
[20:09:05] <zeeshan> but i can figure it out on my own
[20:09:13] <zeeshan> with or without you i woulda gotten it done
[20:09:30] <zeeshan> i like to ask other people's opinions to see if my method takes long
[20:09:34] <zeeshan> i do this for almost anything i do
[20:09:39] <zeeshan> cause im not a stubborn bastard
[20:09:46] <Tom_itx> i don't mine.. i may need help making profit some day too
[20:09:49] <furrywolf> lol
[20:09:50] <Tom_itx> mind*
[20:10:07] <furrywolf> I've given up on ever making a profit doing anything remotely interesting.
[20:10:17] <zeeshan> furrywolf: talk less
[20:10:19] <zeeshan> do more
[20:10:23] <zeeshan> youre smart enough
[20:10:51] <furrywolf> right now I can hardly do ANYTHING. that's why I'm on IRC. heh.
[20:10:55] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: exactly
[20:10:57] <zeeshan> it goes both ways
[20:11:10] <Tom_itx> just so you don't make more than me :)
[20:11:16] <zeeshan> ive honestly put my pride away
[20:11:24] <zeeshan> if people think me asking for help is me being clueless
[20:11:28] <zeeshan> boy are they screwing themself
[20:11:28] <zeeshan> haha
[20:11:42] <Tom_itx> i don't mind sharing my life experience if it can help somebody
[20:11:44] <zeeshan> when im clueless, i let you know :)
[20:11:56] <furrywolf> if I share my life experiences, people tell me to stop talking. :P
[20:12:07] <zeeshan> not your in bed experiences mate
[20:12:08] <zeeshan> !
[20:12:12] <Tom_itx> well i try to keep mine within the limits of the current topic
[20:12:14] <Tom_itx> usually
[20:12:27] <zeeshan> sometimes you just need someone to talk to
[20:12:35] <zeeshan> and share ideas with
[20:12:37] <furrywolf> actually, I'm pretty sure I've never shared any in-bed experiences.
[20:14:07] <Tom_itx> nor have we asked
[20:14:59] <zeeshan> hehe
[20:16:49] <furrywolf> oh well, I'll probably keep helping. /me is too nice.
[20:19:39] * malcom2073 goes off to find a funny out of context quote from furrywolf to use in this instance
[20:21:47] <renesis> zeeshan was probably referring to the dildo and sex equipment comments
[20:22:02] <renesis> tho zee has posted dildo projects before, so shrug
[20:22:42] <furrywolf> right now he's making long curvy objects people stick in their mouths... :P
[20:24:10] <renesis> hes just making the battery part
[20:24:21] <renesis> you have to buy the attachment to put in your mouth
[20:34:23] <flyback> man they really did a sloppy job in ironman 3
[20:34:48] <flyback> im fine with the whole mutant people being able to melt metal with body heat
[20:34:52] <flyback> but
[20:34:59] <flyback> THEY WOULD BE NAKED by then
[20:35:20] <Wolf_Mill> what if its inductived heat
[20:35:35] <flyback> I can't stand movies that don't obey their own laws of physics
[20:35:39] <flyback> it's so sloppy
[20:36:26] <Wolf_Mill> I just try to be entertained and not pay attention to the small details
[20:36:47] <Wolf_Mill> else all movies start sucking
[20:38:28] <furrywolf> I just sent the guy with the lathes an email asking how badly he wants one of them gone. will see what he says...
[20:38:39] <malcom2073> flyback: You must not enjoy many movies
[20:38:49] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Terrible poker face
[20:39:34] <flyback> i dunno the better ones usually follow their own rules
[20:39:49] <flyback> star trek reboot, avengers, etc
[20:40:37] <malcom2073> "More People Have Died in Picture-Taking Attempts Than Shark Attacks in 2015, Report Says" bwahahaha
[20:40:56] <malcom2073> There was a disappointing lack of reversing the polarity in the new star treks
[20:42:23] <flyback> yeah some chick did a selfie off a steep cliff edge
[20:42:25] <furrywolf> someone dragged me to the first new star trek. I haven't seen any of the others.
[20:42:32] <flyback> lost her balance
[20:42:57] <malcom2073> furrywolf: You don't seem like the kind of guy who can suspend disbelief
[20:43:09] <malcom2073> Adequatly enough to enjoy such a movie
[20:43:53] * flyback snickers
[20:44:35] <furrywolf> I don't like movies in general.
[20:44:49] <furrywolf> I'd much rather actually do something, or learn something.
[20:46:46] <malcom2073> I dispise learning
[20:47:36] <PetefromTn_> Okay folks crankin up the anodizing line here and getting to use my NEW black color pot and hotplate WOOHOO YEEHAW HOTCHACHACHACHA
[20:48:02] <malcom2073> I thought you gave up on that and decided to send parts out?
[20:48:28] <PetefromTn_> no man
[20:48:30] * Wolf_Mill needs a anodizing setup...
[20:48:35] <PetefromTn_> only if there is a lot of em.
[20:48:55] <malcom2073> Ah ok
[20:49:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have actually done several rails recently and other than one screw up they all came out pretty good!
[20:49:48] <PetefromTn_> wanna see a pic? ;)
[20:49:51] <furrywolf> good :)
[20:49:53] <malcom2073> Yep
[20:49:57] <malcom2073> I saw the pic of three earlier
[20:50:01] <furrywolf> did you ever get a working current meter instead of my half-assed shunt?
[20:50:20] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/H7dRjUG.jpg
[20:50:27] <malcom2073> Nice
[20:50:29] <malcom2073> Lookin good
[20:50:37] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf no actually I like the half asses shunt
[20:50:59] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/XmA6JNt.jpg
[20:51:19] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/uo7H2Ew.jpg
[20:52:41] <furrywolf> you trust it more than I do. :)
[20:52:59] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[20:53:05] <PetefromTn_> you want a real laugh
[20:53:21] <PetefromTn_> I honestly am just setting the knobs for what worked last time.
[20:53:38] <PetefromTn_> I can't even remember what the reading on the meter is supposed to be anymore
[20:53:44] <malcom2073> lol
[20:53:47] <PetefromTn_> because I did not write it down like an azzhole
[20:53:48] <furrywolf> a tried-and-true method of getting reproducable results... until you change some part of the equipment or process. :)
[20:53:52] <PetefromTn_> but hey I live there
[20:54:16] <furrywolf> looks nice and black. tried and UV-fade tests or anything?
[20:54:19] <furrywolf> s/and/any
[20:54:29] <PetefromTn_> nope
[20:54:40] <PetefromTn_> if it fades hell I will do it again for em ;)
[20:55:59] <malcom2073> Now that's service! :P
[20:56:07] <PetefromTn_> yessir
[20:58:12] <PetefromTn_> I am to please :D
[21:01:27] * furrywolf shares an in-bed experience
[21:01:55] <malcom2073> Well that was inappropriate
[21:02:07] <furrywolf> I got a timer that turns on a light in my bedroom, to see if it works any better than my beep-beep alarm clock... but the timer can't bring the inverter out of sleep mode. I need to invent a timer for the inverter now.
[21:02:34] <furrywolf> I'm thinking some kind of dc-powered timer turning on a relay that turns on a load on the inverter to get it out of sleep mode.
[21:05:40] <SpeedEvil> you don't have a house DC bus?
[21:07:10] <furrywolf> I do.
[21:07:21] <furrywolf> but wiring things to it is more work.
[21:12:27] <PetefromTn_> Anyone use these DMM servos on a machine?
[21:12:44] <PetefromTn_> http://www.dmm-tech.com/Dyn4_main.html
[21:15:13] <PetefromTn_> they look pretty good and have the specs I am after
[21:16:48] <Tom_itx> you didn't like the one from automation..?
[21:17:00] <PetefromTn_> well honestly
[21:17:13] <PetefromTn_> my pal Art who is the electronics guru has been looking at it with mme
[21:17:39] <PetefromTn_> and he said that the setup is kinda screwy with that additional high voltage module
[21:17:49] <Tom_itx> oh
[21:18:08] <PetefromTn_> and the drives do not appear to show anything other than step and direction control but honestly it is hard to weed thru here
[21:19:44] <Tom_itx> do they have a motor matched to it?
[21:19:51] <PetefromTn_> honestly I have not ruled it out yet but I am looking at all options
[21:19:56] <PetefromTn_> who?
[21:20:09] <Tom_itx> the dyn link
[21:20:19] <Tom_itx> dmm
[21:20:23] <PetefromTn_> they sell motors drives etc.
[21:20:33] <PetefromTn_> and yeah they pair appropriate models together
[21:20:46] <Tom_itx> what's the combo cost?
[21:20:52] <PetefromTn_> the one I am looking at is the 86M DHT model
[21:21:00] <PetefromTn_> not entirely sure yet
[21:21:32] <PetefromTn_> but IF the motor needs the high voltage class drive that would be the DYN4 model and it is 314 dollars
[21:21:38] <PetefromTn_> the motor I need is 278
[21:21:51] <PetefromTn_> plus cabling and whatever else is necessary to run them
[21:22:03] <PetefromTn_> plus shipping from CANUK land
[21:22:36] <Tom_itx> what part of the lathe is this for?
[21:23:07] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[21:23:17] <Tom_itx> or is it for your lathe?
[21:23:25] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is for the Standard Modern
[21:23:32] <PetefromTn_> both axis drives and motors
[21:23:39] <PetefromTn_> so double what it costs
[21:24:03] <Tom_itx> does it have a good spindle motor?
[21:24:12] <PetefromTn_> it does now LOL
[21:24:20] <PetefromTn_> I bought that motor awhile back
[21:25:01] <PetefromTn_> still sitting in the box
[21:25:06] <PetefromTn_> 7.5hp
[21:25:13] <Tom_itx> what drives it?
[21:25:31] <PetefromTn_> gonna use the same Hitachi Sensorless Vector I used on the Cincinatti
[21:28:40] <PetefromTn_> Looking like its gonna cost me somewhere between 2.5 and 3k to get it all done...
[21:28:44] <PetefromTn_> that is gonna hurt
[21:29:05] <Tom_itx> better start pumping out the scope mounts
[21:29:06] <PetefromTn_> but I NEED a CNC lathe over here and I think I can make at least some of that back pretty quickly once it is alive
[21:29:20] <PetefromTn_> Machine is running as we speak :D
[21:29:36] <PetefromTn_> I don't ONLY make scope mounts ya know
[21:29:42] <Tom_itx> what's spindle time on one?
[21:29:49] <PetefromTn_> a scope mount?
[21:29:53] <Tom_itx> uh huih
[21:29:58] <PetefromTn_> depends
[21:30:06] <PetefromTn_> I make like six different flavors
[21:30:11] <PetefromTn_> for two different guns
[21:30:24] <PetefromTn_> but generally it is about an hour to an hour and a half or so
[21:30:30] <PetefromTn_> actual spindle time
[21:30:44] <PetefromTn_> then a bit of hand deburring and brush finishing etc.
[21:30:49] <PetefromTn_> then anodizing
[21:31:10] <PetefromTn_> it would be nice if I had LOTS of orders for them but mostly it comes and goes.
[21:31:11] <Tom_itx> so ~4hrs per part complete
[21:31:15] <PetefromTn_> last week was CRAZY
[21:31:25] <PetefromTn_> oh hell no
[21:31:36] <PetefromTn_> well unless you include anodizing time
[21:31:45] <Tom_itx> that's part of complete :)
[21:31:47] <PetefromTn_> which is me just sitting on the couch watching TV
[21:32:18] <PetefromTn_> I agree it is but I only really count time that I am actually having to do something
[21:32:40] <PetefromTn_> it is basically about two to two and a half hours of my time to make one complete
[21:32:55] <Tom_itx> you should add a cycle timer to your axis screen
[21:32:58] <PetefromTn_> I could probably speed that up if I really wanted to
[21:33:17] <PetefromTn_> but I don't sell enough of them to go crazy with it yet.
[21:33:33] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/screenshot.png
[21:33:36] <PetefromTn_> I have already made a LOT of improvements to the program and cut out a bunch of air cuts
[21:33:43] <Tom_itx> that shows overall time and individual cycle times
[21:33:45] <Tom_itx> per tool
[21:33:56] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know
[21:33:58] <PetefromTn_> looks good
[21:34:23] <PetefromTn_> I have the cycle time figured out pretty good for each program and I have actually put it in the header
[21:34:27] <Tom_itx> might help you decide if you're charging enough machine time
[21:34:44] <PetefromTn_> because often I have to decide if I have enough time to run something before I gotta go pickup my kids or something.
[21:34:49] <Tom_itx> is the cam pretty accurate judging the time?
[21:35:02] <PetefromTn_> I don't rely on it really
[21:35:10] <Tom_itx> i've never bothered to set mine up for that
[21:35:11] <PetefromTn_> I time it myself when it is running
[21:35:13] <Tom_itx> it will do it..
[21:35:23] <PetefromTn_> I am sure mine will too
[21:35:34] <PetefromTn_> but I don't really care to bother with it.
[21:35:51] <Tom_itx> done about 15 parts in SW and CATIA now..
[21:35:55] <Tom_itx> learning quite a bit
[21:35:58] <PetefromTn_> Like I said my programs are pretty well optimized now especially with the floating stop idea you gave me ;)
[21:36:07] <PetefromTn_> Solidworks is amazing really
[21:36:13] <PetefromTn_> Wish I could afford it
[21:36:15] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[21:36:17] <Tom_itx> catia is alot like it
[21:36:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah its even more ludicrously expensive
[21:36:31] <Tom_itx> same company owns both
[21:36:52] <PetefromTn_> hang on a sec I gotta go warm up my die and sealer baths here.
[21:36:55] <Tom_itx> i never priced the windows ver but i know what my bud gave for a seat on unix
[21:41:54] <PetefromTn_> Steyr Picatinny rail seems to be percolating nicely ;)
[21:43:24] <PetefromTn_> Love watching Star Trek while my CNC is making me money can't wait to get my CNC lathe working so I can do it with that baby too hehe
[22:03:13] <PetefromTn_> Anyone know if Delta Brand Drill presses are Chinese?
[22:03:26] <Tom_itx> they didn't used to be
[22:03:41] <Tom_itx> they probably are now like everything else
[22:03:41] <PetefromTn_> I am talking about the newer ones
[22:03:59] <PetefromTn_> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/5236318340.html
[22:07:01] <renesis> i bet they are, but the wood shop stuff i had at exjob didnt feel chinese
[22:07:21] <renesis> we had bigass table saw and band saw
[22:08:27] <renesis> wait no, the table saw was jet
[22:08:46] <renesis> just the band saw was delta and it wasnt as awesome really
[22:10:31] <PetefromTn_> I was just under the impression that the newer ones were chinese. They certainly LOOK chinese to me
[22:11:21] <renesis> i think they are, but the QC is definitely above average compared to like, department store china crap
[22:12:21] <renesis> like, some clamp for the gate assembly got wonky and we had to shim it, but i think because someone over tightened
[22:12:55] <PetefromTn_> OK
[22:13:00] <renesis> but the machine itself, like the blade guides and controls felt nice
[22:18:37] <furrywolf> all Delta is chinese now.
[22:18:50] <furrywolf> and it's the cheapest chinese crap you can find.
[22:19:53] <furrywolf> as in, you might as well just go with harbor freight or grizzly.
[22:20:22] <PetefromTn_> It's funny you mention that
[22:20:49] <PetefromTn_> when I worked in the Pro woodshop the last one I was in they had bought a Grizzly Drill press.
[22:21:06] <PetefromTn_> It was quite large and had a very large base and large flat table
[22:21:18] <furrywolf> my new delta bench grinder lasted less than an hour. someone I knew had a new delta planer, a new delta band saw, a new delta jointer, and a new delta scroll saw... average life about an hour each.
[22:21:25] <PetefromTn_> I have no idea what it cost but that was actually one of the nicest drill presses I have used
[22:22:02] <Wolf_Mill> grizzly stuff is good bang for the buck
[22:22:05] <PetefromTn_> the only Delta tool I have ever owned was an open ended wide drum sander
[22:22:17] <PetefromTn_> and it was honestly pretty decent for what it was
[22:22:30] <furrywolf> the switch caught fire in his band saw, a gear stripped in the jointer, a linkage/bearing thing self-destructed in the scroll saw (and obviously due to design, not abuse or defect), and I don't remember what broke on the planer.
[22:22:31] <PetefromTn_> I made a BUNCH of cabinet doors in my home shop on that machine
[22:22:44] <PetefromTn_> once you figured out how to work with it I found it quite consistent
[22:22:54] <furrywolf> old delta was high-quality US-made tools. new delta is low-quality china-made tools.
[22:23:32] <furrywolf> they got bought by black&decker.
[22:23:40] <PetefromTn_> http://www.woodworkersguildofga.org/blahdocs/uploads/dscn2077_7958.jpg this is what it looked like.
[22:24:31] <furrywolf> and "reposisitioned" as low-cost crap.
[22:24:32] <furrywolf> repositioned
[22:24:32] * furrywolf is doing two things at once, negatively affecting typing
[22:25:22] <furrywolf> b&d owns a scaringly large percentage of brands these days.
[22:26:50] <Wolf_Mill> one step closer :) http://i.imgur.com/Df3BhTF.jpg
[22:27:04] <furrywolf> dewalt, delta, porter-cable, mac, matco, stanley, husky, bostitch, proto, blackhawk, oldham, kwikset, devilbiss, price-pfister, ummm..... I'm sure there's tons more, and I might have added one or two to that list, but it's scary.
[22:29:18] <furrywolf> I was talking to one of the managers at a local hardware store a bit ago, and he said he could no longer source ANY US-made table saws. he wanted to, but couldn't. with b&d buying everyone, there was not a single table saw made in the US he could get.
[22:31:33] <furrywolf> they have a policy of trying to only stock quality tools...
[22:31:49] <furrywolf> oh, and you can't get german-made either. Bosch is chinese now too.
[22:34:01] <Wolf_Mill> all the millwaulkee tools are made in china now as well, they use to be made in taiwan at least, good side is the battery cells are made in korea
[22:35:44] <furrywolf> apparantly in 2014 Unisaw moved to taiwan, and that was the last US-made table saw.
[22:36:21] <furrywolf> I've also learned it's impossible to buy US-made locking pliers.
[22:37:12] <Connor> Wolf_Mill: What's with the black part on the base? You raising the column up ?
[22:37:42] <Wolf_Mill> adapter for the current column
[22:37:52] <Connor> Current Column?
[22:37:53] <Wolf_Mill> right now I have a sieg x1
[22:38:27] <Connor> You piece milling a machine together?
[22:38:35] <Wolf_Mill> we figured out while BSing around in here that the base is for a x2
[22:39:56] <Wolf_Mill> I might swap out the floppy x1 column and headstock (MT2) for a hitorque solid column and a X2 R8 headstock
[22:40:35] <Connor> I'm not sure that's a X2
[22:41:04] <Wolf_Mill> http://www.siegind.com/products_detail/&productId=43.html
[22:41:09] <fenn> i'll sell you some US-made locking pliers :P
[22:41:52] <fenn> http://www.littleshavers.com/Plierspage.html
[22:42:04] <Connor> Looked a bit bigger in the photo..
[22:42:44] <Wolf_Mill> 1204 ball screw on it to give a ref point
[22:42:52] <Connor> ok
[22:44:31] <furrywolf> fenn: vise-grip style. :P
[22:45:47] <fenn> vise grips really don't seem that hard to make, so i can only guess that there is not any demand
[22:47:05] <furrywolf> I'm planning on spending $40 for a spanish-made pair. the chinese ones are GARBAGE. even the ones with the vise-grip name on them. they're better than many of the other chinese brands, but barely usable.
[22:48:43] <fenn> there are a bunch of "made in usa" irwin vise-grips on ebay, not sure if they still make those or it's a premium product or old stock or what
[22:49:38] <furrywolf> there's a lot of old stock floating around
[22:50:36] <Wolf_Mill> sadly to get good tools you need to go old stock, yard sales or fleamarket
[22:50:56] <furrywolf> I haven't found any vise grips at yard sales all summer!
[22:51:16] <Wolf_Mill> probably banned in calif
[22:53:33] <furrywolf> I can't believe it's impossible to make tools in the US... so I can only believe it's all about stuffing more money in executives' pockets. since somehow moving production to china never lowers the price of the tool.
[22:53:56] <Wolf_Mill> yay... new mill table has to come out to setup the X ball screw... and the table is covered in red china snot
[22:57:33] <Contract_Pilot> Looks like my DM8010 Drivers use Simmilar Circuitry as the Leadshine M542 IRF540 / 9540 osfets but a 10A 4010LS2 SCR and 80V
[23:05:08] <fenn> i thought about making a bunch of kant-twist style clamps out of steel plate and bar stock, it doesn't look that hard
[23:07:36] <fenn> especially if you have a plasma cutter to cut the plate
[23:08:27] <Wolf_Mill> could... least the kant-twists are usa made :D so I'll just buy them
[23:08:40] <Wolf_Mill> unless I want some monster sized ones
[23:10:22] <fenn> it would also be fun to make a 3-point lever like vise grips, but using the construction style of a kant-twist clamp
[23:11:01] <fenn> i'm not really a fan of the t-handle, too poky
[23:11:47] <furrywolf> kant-twists aren't nearly as quick or universal as vise-grips
[23:11:56] <furrywolf> vise-grips... the cause of, and solution to, stripped bolt heads. :)
[23:12:14] <fenn> o look a how-to video: http://youtu.be/rlvLUS2Lixc
[23:12:57] <fenn> i'm not saying it's a replacement for vise grips as a hand tool, only as a better more ergonomic and more efficient clamping mechanism than turning a screw thread under load
[23:13:23] <furrywolf> ... kant-twists also turn a screw thread under load.
[23:13:24] <furrywolf> lol
[23:13:28] <fenn> that's what i'm saying
[23:13:46] <fenn> use the vise grip locking mechanism instead of kant twist's simple nut and thread
[23:13:52] <furrywolf> ah
[23:14:02] <fenn> but build it out of thick plates with holes drilled in them
[23:14:49] <furrywolf> I've occasionally tossed around building a non-vise-grip-like locking mechanism using cams and roller bearings... haven't perfected it yet.
[23:15:34] <furrywolf> (or, more likely, needle bearings)
[23:16:47] <Wolf_Mill> giant kant twist with vicegrip type lock would kick ass for welding
[23:20:25] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maxwell-boostcap-18-x-BCAP-2600-144-Farad-48V-Ultracapacitor-BoostCap-battery-/221894672329 anyone else need shiny ultracap modules? I guess he wasn't happy with the $160 I got mine for, and now is listing them buy-it-now instead of auction. :P
[23:25:44] <flyback> $100 ship
[23:25:45] <flyback> hah
[23:26:01] <flyback> yeah do those things even have a definitive wear out cycle?
[23:26:19] <flyback> furrywolf, they are selling those to truckers in shitty winter usa states and probably other countries
[23:26:32] <furrywolf> that's shipping priority from alaska... it's not completely unreasonable.
[23:26:33] <flyback> they siphon juice off the battery slowly when the battery is too cold to start
[23:26:42] <flyback> then the whole thing dumps it's load into the starter at once
[23:26:47] <flyback> that bitch goes WTFBBQ
[23:26:52] <flyback> starts every time
[23:27:33] <flyback> I told some of you guys in other channels
[23:27:42] <flyback> for a test I don't remmeber who or when
[23:27:50] <flyback> but they added a supercap circuit to a electric car
[23:28:11] <flyback> just from being able to capture more braking energy than a battery can charge and all the surge loading taken off the battery
[23:28:14] <flyback> got another 30 miles
[23:28:38] <flyback> I mean than a battery can capture at once
[23:29:04] <furrywolf> "do not use hammer to install terminal bolt".
[23:29:15] <furrywolf> yay product manuals.
[23:29:33] <Jymmm> brick?
[23:30:25] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Are they spot welded together?
[23:32:01] <furrywolf> dunno
[23:32:39] <flyback> BOY THEY FUCKED THAT UP
[23:32:48] <flyback> cost several 100 people their lives
[23:33:01] <flyback> when engine tore off and fucked the res of the plane
[23:33:40] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Going to use in your solar system?
[23:33:55] <furrywolf> yep
[23:34:04] <flyback> there's a reason they tell you not to do shit sometimes
[23:34:11] <flyback> and not just cause it's fucking stupid to do so
[23:34:36] <flyback> you create microfractures etc in ways that don't show up right way but still get you
[23:34:38] <Jymmm> furrywolf: PLEASE let me know how your testing of them turns out. I'd REALLY be interested in the resutls, good bad or otherwise
[23:34:52] <furrywolf> unless the caps are bad, they should do an excellent job stiffening the battery voltage during motor starts.
[23:35:03] <flyback> hell yes
[23:35:18] <flyback> Jymmm, I just said earlier truckers love the cap kit they been selling them
[23:35:56] <furrywolf> I can pull around a thousand amps when I finish wiring everything up... and my batteries can't do that.
[23:36:09] <furrywolf> the cap module, however, is rated to put out 1900A all day. :)
[23:36:11] <flyback> furrywolf, it's not good for them even if they could
[23:36:45] <flyback> any time you can shave a little stress off a chemical cell, it's going to reward you
[23:36:47] <furrywolf> (well, alternately take in and put out... obviously at 1900A discharge it won't stay charged very long)
[23:37:18] <Jymmm> furrywolf: So the csupercap would be wired in like all the other batteries, and then just take the hot on motor starts?
[23:37:28] <Jymmm> take the hit*
[23:37:32] <flyback> yep
[23:37:49] <flyback> Jymmm, a warning if this is youdoing it
[23:37:51] <furrywolf> got an answer from the lathe guy...
[23:37:52] <furrywolf> "They are all in working condition, I replaced some of the gears and shafts in the threading box. I have some old style toolpost and will let you choose a right, left and straight. You will need to buy your own centers and Jacobs chuck.$1300 and I will load it with a fork lift. the cheapest used lathe on ebay is $2500 and you have to pay shipping. call me and you will get the pick of the litter. "
[23:38:02] <furrywolf> I don't think I want to spend that much.
[23:38:22] <flyback> Jymmm, you might want a high resistance discharge circuit when off or make sure the caps are totally enclosed
[23:38:52] <flyback> I seen people weld with supercaps
[23:39:58] <furrywolf> my plan is a big switch (battery disconnect), a light bulb, and a little circuit with a comparator and an LED. switch is open, caps charge through light bulb. if voltage is over, say, 1V, LED lights warning you not to close switch. or maybe I'll make the LED light when the difference is less than 1V, for fail-safe.
[23:40:23] <flyback> cool :)
[23:40:48] <furrywolf> plus a 175A circuit breaker. (because I have a couple extra)
[23:40:58] <flyback> yeah that's critical
[23:41:06] <flyback> cause caps are kinda unlimited current
[23:41:14] <flyback> well they will blow eventually or discharge
[23:41:21] <flyback> but that's bad in terms of fire safety etc
[23:41:23] <furrywolf> yeah, it lists the short-circuit current somewhere in the neighborhood of 8kA.
[23:41:39] <flyback> so you defintely want to make sure the caps are before any fuses etc or have their own
[23:42:10] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Just hooke it to one of those dumpster size boxes that say "PG&E" on it ;)
[23:42:26] <furrywolf> I might actually use some low-quality 250A breakers I have instead... because I think my 175s are magnetic fast-trip while the 250s are just thermal.
[23:43:05] <furrywolf> I might even be really lazy and let the breaker double as the switch.
[23:43:29] <flyback> long as you have something that says "NO!"
[23:43:41] <Jymmm> furrywolf: What, 18ga wire not a big enough fuse for ya =)
[23:43:42] <flyback> WHEN you get a short or transistor turned into a heatsink
[23:43:57] <Jymmm> or .22lr
[23:43:59] <flyback> Jymmm, on a supercap it migth vaporize and burn you bad etc
[23:44:21] <furrywolf> Jymmm: I melted some #18 wire with my solar panels once. I tried using a piece as a shunt. it became an open circuit very quickly. :)
[23:44:38] <Jymmm> furrywolf: lol
[23:44:55] <Jymmm> furrywolf: solar soldering 101 ???
[23:44:57] <flyback> current fuses and thermal fuses are you friend
[23:44:59] <flyback> USE THEM
[23:45:14] <flyback> im glad to see almost all induction motors now
[23:45:19] <furrywolf> I saw someone accidentally short a new AGM battery with a cheapo jumper wire (the type with alligator clips) once. there was a jumper wire... and then there wasn't. there were just two clips with nothing between them, and some smoke slowly drifting upwards.
[23:45:20] <flyback> they embed a thermal fuse in the coil
[23:45:33] <flyback> or a thermal breaker
[23:45:56] <Jymmm> furrywolf: ah, a temoorary fuseable link =)
[23:46:07] <Jymmm> disposable fuseable link? lol
[23:46:16] <furrywolf> it didn't just burn through... it vaporized the wire! gone! I couldn't believe it.
[23:46:18] <flyback> Jymmm, don't fuck around with supercaps dude
[23:46:43] <Jymmm> furrywolf: plastic and all?
[23:46:48] <furrywolf> yep
[23:47:11] <Jymmm> furrywolf: how big was this agm ?
[23:47:25] <furrywolf> I'm not even sure how it did it. it must have arced very heavily as the wire began to disintegrate.
[23:47:35] <furrywolf> car battery sized
[23:47:51] <Jymmm> oh, so arund 50AH+ ish
[23:48:15] <flyback> I seen people using supercaps for high voltage physics
[23:48:15] <Jymmm> motorcycle battery sized agm are 34AH
[23:48:27] <flyback> and coi n shrinking coils and washer launchers
[23:48:54] <furrywolf> no, that's a wheelchair battery sized. this was car battery sized. probably 120Ah.
[23:49:07] <furrywolf> a real car battery, not a honda civic.
[23:49:16] <Jymmm> lol
[23:50:33] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:50:43] <Jymmm> furrywolf: You into private tool making?
[23:50:52] <Jymmm> furrywolf: like using a rock axe?
[23:52:29] <furrywolf> ... huh?
[23:52:40] <furrywolf> no, I'm not into pretending to be from the stone age.
[23:52:46] <Jymmm> k
[23:53:05] <furrywolf> my axe is metal, and sharp.
[23:53:37] <Jymmm> This guys is making/firing hsi own tiles for a hut roof
[23:54:07] <Jymmm> IT's pretty impressive, but long video
[23:54:20] <Jymmm> 14m
[23:54:47] <MacGalempsy> does anyone know if spindle_9 can be tuned like other axis from inside Axis?
[23:54:54] <Jymmm> even made a kiln out of mud
[23:55:57] <Jymmm> ve7it: Hi lawerence