#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-09-21

[00:00:01] <furrywolf> I'm trying "Fabric Fusion Permanent Fabric Adhesive" for attaching the divider to the toolbag... my sewing machine is buried in storage, probably doesn't work, and I'd need to sew around metal supports and crap, and I'm lazy...
[00:01:08] <XXCoder> anyway this is direct link for zee's pic I think https://i.imgur.com/SHQALuN.jpg
[00:01:11] <Wolf_Mill> rivits
[00:01:36] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/ib2TgZd.jpg tool boxs...
[00:01:49] <Wolf_Mill> old tool boxs
[00:02:25] <furrywolf> rivets not a bad idea, actually... I'll consider that after the super-strong permanent waterproof washable glue promptly fails. (that being my experience with glue, regardless of any claims on the packaging)
[00:05:01] <furrywolf> zeeshan-mill: if I ever get around to trying wood creations, I'm thinking of treating after machining. less waste, and should count as the first coat...
[00:05:36] <furrywolf> also, re colors "Multiple colors are done by stabilizing multiple times, curing the resin between each step, and bringing it to a higher vacuum level each time than the last, so the resins penetrate more."
[00:05:45] <XXCoder> gee
[00:05:51] <XXCoder> didnt know sears sold spindles too
[00:06:10] <furrywolf> sears or sears marketplace?
[00:06:23] <XXCoder> good question
[00:06:26] <furrywolf> sears marketplace just being like amazon or any other place random sellers can sell mis-labeled, overpriced crap.
[00:06:29] <XXCoder> url is sears.,com
[00:08:13] <XXCoder> http://www.sears.com/unique-bargains-3.2kg-cm-300rpm-speed-control-gear-box/p-SPM1983761114?sid=IDx20140425xECNMPTL25
[00:08:28] <XXCoder> 330 rpom, 37mm diameter. interesting. probably too weak
[00:09:23] <XXCoder> actually
[00:09:24] <XXCoder> Gear Box Dia 41.8mm
[00:09:34] <furrywolf> " Sold by: Unique Bargains "
[00:10:05] <XXCoder> it is unique, actually. first spindle I ever saw that could fit my machine 43mm mouint
[00:10:29] <furrywolf> 300rpm is pretty slow
[00:10:31] <furrywolf> also, that's small, intermittant duty.
[00:10:36] <XXCoder> actually probably not spindle
[00:10:41] <XXCoder> tool motor
[00:11:12] <XXCoder> honestly my current wll do till I can make 53mm mount for it
[00:11:16] <XXCoder> then upgrade
[00:11:48] <furrywolf> watch craigslist for something where the spindle is measured in horsepower. :)
[00:13:41] <Wolf_Mill> 1/5th hp count?
[00:13:43] <Wolf_Mill> :P
[00:14:16] <furrywolf> http://brkgallery.com/2012/albums/album144/Stabilized_wood_2.sized.jpg shiny
[00:14:38] <furrywolf> only if it's a sherline. :P
[00:16:36] <furrywolf> http://i.imgur.com/vDT7Koe.jpg yowzers
[00:17:19] <Wolf_Mill> looks cool
[00:17:22] <zeeshan-mill> furry part of the reason you stablized wood
[00:17:29] <zeeshan-mill> is because it machines significantly better than regular wood
[00:17:38] <XXCoder> nicde
[00:17:40] <furrywolf> eh, plain wood machines fine.
[00:17:42] <XXCoder> and looks cool too
[00:17:44] <zeeshan-mill> trust me
[00:17:46] <zeeshan-mill> ive machined both
[00:17:53] <zeeshan-mill> plain wood doesnt not machine fine
[00:17:55] <furrywolf> consider that probably 99.9% of wood things are machined or turned from normal wood... :P
[00:18:00] <zeeshan-mill> when youre doing accurate features
[00:18:04] <zeeshan-mill> it chips out
[00:18:11] <zeeshan-mill> maybe hardwood would be ok
[00:18:18] <zeeshan-mill> but plywood or the regular burrow wood
[00:18:25] <zeeshan-mill> chips out a lot
[00:18:26] <furrywolf> I'd be making smooth rounded shapes. :P
[00:18:42] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[00:19:05] <furrywolf> also, as I said, virtually all wood products are made from untreated wood.
[00:19:15] <XXCoder> including treated wood.'
[00:19:17] <XXCoder> boom.
[00:19:18] <furrywolf> think about the people who turn bowls with fancy patterns.
[00:21:43] <XXCoder> saw some awesome bowls
[00:21:59] <XXCoder> like that guy who used peices of wood glued em together and made nice bowl
[00:22:30] <XXCoder> he made pattern, made it into crude thick plate with patterns on sides
[00:22:32] <XXCoder> then turned it
[00:22:48] <furrywolf> yes, as I said, bowls with fancy patterns. :P
[00:23:02] <furrywolf> they can turn them without any chipping, and they're far more likely to chip than a single piece of wood.
[00:23:44] <XXCoder> http://woodworkinginthedark.com/First%20segmented%20bowl.html
[00:23:48] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[00:24:41] <XXCoder> that site is interesting
[00:24:45] <XXCoder> guy is blind
[00:25:52] <furrywolf> what's the point of multi-colored wood, then? lol
[00:26:54] <renesis> looks cool
[00:27:22] <renesis> http://www.wpgbc.com/v/vspfiles/photos/RELM-COBG-2.jpg
[00:27:49] <XXCoder> sometimes the cool is the point
[00:28:03] <furrywolf> bbl
[00:31:36] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G56Ir9KQNfM
[00:43:55] <Praesmeodymium> if cool werenmt its own goal there wouldnt be (shudder) Hipsters
[00:45:10] <XXCoder> hipster goal is turning obsecure stuff into cool
[00:45:13] <XXCoder> cool is cool
[00:45:22] <XXCoder> and no im not hipster
[00:45:34] <XXCoder> most of em I met is so narrisic
[00:45:40] <Praesmeodymium> wow he's running a lathe blind? thats a brave brave man
[00:45:59] <XXCoder> you notice hes very careful
[00:46:05] <XXCoder> but yeah brave
[01:09:06] <Jymmm> That aunt shit, I've seen blend DRIVE a car!
[01:09:11] <Jymmm> ain't*
[01:09:38] <Jymmm> and did pretty well too.
[01:11:15] <XXCoder> can car be blended? lets can it be blended? show. ;)
[01:23:08] <Contract_Pilot> Very long day... Poking around at path pilot last few housrs.
[01:23:30] <Contract_Pilot> Keeping Notes.
[01:23:41] <Contract_Pilot> Learning linux.
[01:23:50] <Contract_Pilot> run times.
[01:24:28] <XXCoder> fun
[01:35:26] <fenn> blind CNC seems difficult with current interfaces
[01:36:07] <fenn> like how do you verify a part before cutting
[01:36:24] <XXCoder> he dont do cnc
[01:36:30] <fenn> and cad is not really set up for it either
[01:36:59] <fenn> there's no real reason it would be impossible though, most APT programming (how people did CNC for the first 50 years) is done in your head anyway
[01:37:25] <Wolf_> have a dog do the setup
[01:37:31] <fenn> a wolf
[01:37:36] <sadara> ro a monkey :)
[01:40:50] <XXCoder> seeing eye monkey
[01:41:05] <Praesmeodymium> they call us home healthcare workers tyvm
[02:03:13] <MacGalempsy> hello
[02:03:14] <MacGalempsy> again
[02:04:09] <XXCoder> and again
[02:04:11] <XXCoder> heh hey
[02:11:39] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: what are you working on tonight??
[02:12:01] <XXCoder> browsing, probably will go setup linuxcnc pc soon
[02:12:06] <XXCoder> and try configure it
[02:12:21] <ganzuul> My lathe gets delivered today! \o/
[02:12:35] <MacGalempsy> nice, is it a standard setup, or something requiring advanced knowledge?
[02:12:57] <XXCoder> its not complex but definitely needs work
[02:13:10] <XXCoder> for one, I had configured it to run on older cnc router plans
[02:13:22] <XXCoder> it dont match now, as well as some other issues.
[02:15:24] <MacGalempsy> sounds fun. im working on my configuration now, just about have everything finally connected to the card, but the z-max endstop doesnt touch when the mast is up, and there is one more hall effect sensor that I am trying to figure out what it does.
[02:15:38] <Deejay> moin
[02:15:49] <XXCoder> hey
[02:15:51] <MacGalempsy> I think it is to work as an open/closed for the power drawbar actuator
[02:15:58] <MacGalempsy> hi Deejay
[02:16:01] <XXCoder> yeah I gonna figure ball screws on my device
[02:16:45] <MacGalempsy> have you had them before?
[02:16:57] <XXCoder> nope its my first machine lol
[02:17:07] <XXCoder> techinically. I has parts of previous project
[02:17:42] <MacGalempsy> haha
[02:17:43] <MacGalempsy> ok
[02:18:56] <MacGalempsy> well, once the renishaw amp gets in, I will be able to hook up my probe and then put panel cover back on this mess
[02:20:27] <archivist> thinking of renishaw I want http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191688306541 but at a sensible price
[02:21:24] <MacGalempsy> I just ordered the PI4 used for about $50 plus some extra cables
[02:22:17] <MacGalempsy> archivist: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13230
[02:22:35] <archivist> loads of sellers like putting gold plated prices on old renishaw
[02:22:40] <MacGalempsy> This would probably work if you have the probe already
[02:23:44] <archivist> I have a contact type probe with optical and need the optical machine interface for it
[02:23:51] <MacGalempsy> ah
[02:24:16] <MacGalempsy> ok. the lot I got a few years ago had a TP1s and a TP2, and they use the strain gauge
[02:24:25] <archivist> I do have a LVDT type probe too and am contemplating what to do with it
[02:25:05] <archivist> I was going to make a strain type from scratch and got the cheap boards from china
[02:26:38] <archivist> I got http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221854999870
[02:27:04] <MacGalempsy> that looks like a steal
[02:27:40] <archivist> may take the adapter plate off the optical part and use the probe as a standard contact one
[02:28:26] <MacGalempsy> https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/16587541542/in/dateposted-public/
[02:28:52] <MacGalempsy> that is the one I got, but it wasnt as cheap as yours. this was like $320US
[02:28:58] <archivist> flikr is useless
[02:29:46] <archivist> just gives me a browser upgrade page to view an image!!!!!
[02:30:01] <archivist> pathetic
[02:30:48] <archivist> without any text to say why too
[02:31:52] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/grabs/Screenshot-30.png
[02:33:37] <archivist> downgrade to working html stupid websites
[02:37:31] <Wolf_> archivist: https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7310/16587541542_c66d03681e_b.jpg
[02:38:15] <archivist> that works Wolf_
[02:38:18] <XXCoder> bah
[02:38:26] <XXCoder> my old poc has no serial port
[02:38:53] <XXCoder> im buying a serial pci card but what do I need to keep eye out for?
[02:47:11] <XXCoder> from what I read wiki epp mode is needed
[02:47:38] <MacGalempsy> well, just got another signal working
[02:47:48] <MacGalempsy> only one more to figure out
[02:55:51] <XXCoder> wow
[02:55:59] <XXCoder> some parallel port is pricy
[02:56:02] <XXCoder> 50 bucks
[02:56:34] <XXCoder> spoke too soon, found $80 one
[02:57:47] <XXCoder> "Fast Data Rates up to 1.5 MBytes/sec." is that fast enoigh for linuxcnc?
[03:05:00] <archivist> parallel or serial?
[03:05:10] <XXCoder> parallel port
[03:05:51] <archivist> speed is more related to the software on a parallel port
[03:06:17] <XXCoder> what should I look for in terms of parallel port card?
[03:06:31] <archivist> some chips cannot do all modes
[03:06:49] <XXCoder> epp is required right?
[03:07:33] <archivist> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/18-computer/18917-faq-pci-parallel-port-cards
[03:10:19] <fenn> EPP is only required for mesa cards that connect over the parport, or jon elson's pico systems cards
[03:10:57] <XXCoder> i use chinese controller
[03:11:17] <XXCoder> TB6560
[03:11:25] <fenn> bleck
[03:11:32] <Wolf_> ^ he has the driver w/ build in bob
[03:11:43] <fenn> did they fix the noisy optocoupler issue in those yet?
[03:11:50] <XXCoder> no idea
[03:12:09] <fenn> well you may have to do some soldering
[03:12:22] <Wolf_> I thought all the TB6560 drivers from china are designed wrong as well
[03:12:31] <archivist> add/fix pull ups
[03:12:50] <XXCoder> mine seem to work ok on laptop
[03:12:58] <XXCoder> but my pc dont have parallel port :(
[03:13:39] <archivist> pull ups or open collector on the parallel port, some skimp on parts
[03:17:05] <XXCoder> http://www.jcopro.net/2012/07/10/use-a-pci-parallel-port-with-a-tb6560-cnc-control-board/
[03:19:10] <archivist> why are you reading mach crap :)
[03:19:20] <XXCoder> im dealing with hardware
[03:19:26] <XXCoder> so controller info shouldnt matter
[03:19:55] <archivist> it can include junk info
[03:19:55] <fenn> yeah it's not like the controller interacts with the hardware~
[03:20:25] <XXCoder> fenn: as long as it works with drivers and it works with linuxcnc it should work. now researching compitability
[03:20:42] <fenn> "drivers"
[03:20:48] <XXCoder> I needed to answer "does it work with my crap hardware" first
[03:21:20] <fenn> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TB6560
[03:21:37] <XXCoder> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/18-computer/15431-i-found-cheap-parallel-port-card-that-works
[03:21:43] <XXCoder> confirmed and confirmed
[03:23:06] <XXCoder> that specific card has issues if I plan to run mesa in future
[03:24:59] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/Syba-Port-Parallel-Controller-SY-PCI10002/dp/B003D7TCZ6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1442822496&sr=8-1&keywords=SY-PCI10002
[03:25:07] <XXCoder> this one does not have any issue
[03:25:42] <XXCoder> so what ya think fenn
[03:27:15] <fenn> i think it's absolutely incredible they can sell and ship a new parallel port card from china to my door for $4
[03:28:13] <XXCoder> lol found this log that menions SY-PCI10002
[03:28:21] <XXCoder> 2013. bit before my first entry here
[03:28:32] <XXCoder> which was early 2014 I think
[03:29:39] <XXCoder> "
[03:29:40] <XXCoder> [01:54:09] <pcw_home> should work fine (once you figure out its base address) "
[03:31:04] <fenn> well i could have told you that, but it doesn't mean much until you have verified it in your computer
[03:31:19] <fenn> also 7i43 are more picky about cards
[03:32:57] <fenn> reading some of your links it seems the main problem people run into is setting the card to input mode
[03:33:13] <fenn> which you are not doing
[03:33:39] <XXCoder> yeah but same tim i want to kinda future proof it
[03:33:50] <XXCoder> the card is only slightly more pricy at $20
[03:34:00] <XXCoder> hardly a crimp on my budget
[03:36:24] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWTTP0RomA0 virtually same router as mine
[03:36:35] <XXCoder> but it has what looks like 53 mm spindle
[03:36:37] <XXCoder> hm
[03:36:46] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: hey?
[03:37:00] <XXCoder> you alive?
[03:38:24] <fenn> why does every cam software in the world do that silly retract to safe height thing between every pass
[03:39:54] <archivist> because unaware of surrounds and clamping
[03:40:09] <XXCoder> can always edit and remove
[03:40:28] <XXCoder> also unaware of loose parts
[03:40:37] <XXCoder> say plate it cut off for examplke
[03:41:11] <XXCoder> wish Loetmichel is here, has question to ask
[03:41:18] <fenn> ask question
[03:41:25] <XXCoder> ok
[03:41:32] <XXCoder> gonna get some info
[03:42:10] <XXCoder> this is my machine
[03:42:11] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wood-Lathe-3040-Cnc-Router-Milling-Machine-with-43mm-bracket-Mechanical-Kit-Aluminium-Alloy-Frame/32279070195.html
[03:42:20] <XXCoder> which looks same as loet's
[03:42:27] <fenn> iirc he has a 6040 not a 3040
[03:42:28] <XXCoder> but his has 53 mm spindle
[03:45:09] <fenn> heh "With the fan connected to the 12v Vreg the heatsink temperature was 155 F, disconnecting the fan and waiting 5 minutes, the 12V Vreg heatsink temp dropped to 125 F.
[03:45:31] <XXCoder> weird
[03:46:10] <fenn> stupid
[03:46:31] <XXCoder> maybe power drain of using fan caused reporting errors lol
[03:47:35] <XXCoder> what the hell
[03:47:50] <XXCoder> theres diary of minecraft zombie for $7
[03:47:54] <XXCoder> and theres 5 volumes
[03:48:09] <XXCoder> looked into it in preview, it sucjks
[03:48:16] <XXCoder> just like my typing!
[03:53:46] <XXCoder> anyway
[03:54:03] <XXCoder> I wonder if theres such thing as "live" pressure air pump
[03:54:07] <XXCoder> meaning no tank
[03:56:32] <XXCoder> heh in most cases im pretty sure it would be useless
[03:57:04] <XXCoder> it would require much more energy, but postive is quite literal infinite amount of pressured air
[03:58:12] <fenn> the tank does smooth the pressure output of the compressor a little bit
[03:58:25] <fenn> but if your CFM is sufficient to meet your needs then you don't need a tank
[03:58:29] <XXCoder> yeah thats what you get if you seperate input and output
[03:58:40] <XXCoder> like electricity and battery
[03:58:57] <XXCoder> input may be noisy as heck but battery eats it and outputs nice clean powert
[04:00:29] <archivist> your pump has to run continuously with no tank
[04:01:03] <fenn> i figured it would start and stop a lot
[04:01:15] <fenn> like a paint sprayer
[04:01:34] <fenn> an airless sprayer
[04:01:41] <archivist> you can get a pressure regulator to smooth flow
[04:02:16] <fenn> does that work for high frequency pressure variations?
[04:02:19] <archivist> so the only backup is the pipe for a small reserve
[04:03:16] <archivist> fenn, yes but may depend on the regulator itself
[04:03:48] <fenn> argh something keeps stealing keyboard focus from my terminal and i can't figure out what
[04:04:01] <archivist> some web crap?
[04:04:01] <XXCoder> HACKER!!!
[04:04:03] <XXCoder> heh
[04:04:13] <XXCoder> archivist: nah web cant take focus
[04:04:30] <fenn> new versions of google chrome do it when you click in a text input box or url field
[04:04:34] <fenn> really annoying
[04:04:47] <fenn> like i'll go to copy a url, then paste in terminal and nothing happens
[04:04:49] <XXCoder> chromes all has one REALLY bad bug
[04:05:00] <XXCoder> it will crash if you even mouseover one url
[04:05:24] <MacGalempsy> I use to prefer IE, but now chrome seems to work better most the time
[04:05:40] <archivist> I think flash and JS need banning from the web
[04:05:44] <XXCoder> fenn: http://biome3d.com/%%30%30
[04:05:54] <XXCoder> try it
[04:07:07] <fenn> For request 'GET /%%30%30' [Malformed escape pair at index 1: /%%30%30]
[04:07:33] <XXCoder> interesting. probably fixed
[04:07:47] <fenn> i just went to biome3d.com instead and the game loads
[04:08:31] <fenn> i lied the game doesn't work
[04:08:40] <fenn> is this an agar.io clone?
[04:08:51] <XXCoder> no idea
[04:08:56] <XXCoder> it works here
[04:09:22] <fenn> oh it probably needs webgl which doesn't work on this computer
[04:09:33] <fenn> did i mention i hate everyone
[04:09:39] <MacGalempsy> does anyone know if halui.machine-on is cancelled by halui.machine-off?
[04:09:49] <MacGalempsy> (2 toggle buttons
[04:10:54] <fenn> machine-on is the button you press to turn the machine on
[04:11:23] <fenn> machine.is-on is the indicator that says the machine is on
[04:12:13] <fenn> there are other things that can turn the machine on and off besides those buttons
[04:15:08] <fenn> the wording in the man page could be improved
[04:20:26] <MacGalempsy> fenn: I know what the pin is, I am trying to figure out how to go about setting up the logic since both buttons are toggles
[04:22:30] <fenn> for things that need to be on when the machine is on, use machine.is-on, and for things that need to happen at startup/shutdown use machine.on and machine.off
[04:23:32] <fenn> actually no, don't do that
[04:23:52] <fenn> you should have an edge detector on machine.is-on for startup/shutdown :P
[04:24:58] <fenn> otherwise you could turn the machine on/off with some other mechanism like the button in AXIS and have an incorrect startup/shutdown procedure
[04:34:40] <XXCoder> played biome3d for a while. interesting
[04:35:11] <fenn> now try xbl (3d tetris)
[04:35:44] <XXCoder> dont see it
[04:36:37] <fenn> sudo apt-get install xbl
[04:36:44] <XXCoder> oh
[04:36:49] <XXCoder> thought it was some web game lol
[04:36:51] <XXCoder> ok
[04:37:12] <XXCoder> unable to locate
[04:37:20] <fenn> hm oh well
[04:41:35] <XXCoder> np, most games make me dizzy anyway
[04:53:21] <fenn> https://archive.org/details/msdos_Blockout_1989
[04:53:53] <XXCoder> lol I remember that
[04:55:06] <XXCoder> yep still cant play
[05:00:26] <XXCoder> lol found it in amazon
[05:00:31] <XXCoder> qbasic by example
[05:00:43] <XXCoder> 1993 published lol
[05:34:06] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Fuck you, I LIKE QBASIC =)
[05:34:16] <XXCoder> me too
[05:34:20] <XXCoder> I had fun with it
[05:34:36] <XXCoder> wish I stil have orginial files
[05:34:46] <Jymmm> I still have qbasic =)
[05:34:55] <Jymmm> including gorilla.bas
[05:35:03] <XXCoder> nice
[05:35:08] <XXCoder> that one was fun
[05:35:16] <XXCoder> it was my earliest modding fun
[05:35:22] <XXCoder> just hacking around and have fun
[05:35:29] <XXCoder> made snake hell of a lot harder
[05:35:34] <Jymmm> If you REALLY want it, I guess I can look for the files.
[05:35:40] <XXCoder> sure
[05:35:53] <XXCoder> maybe can find download a sec
[05:36:02] <Jymmm> Alright, if I come across it on my archives, I'll save it for you.
[05:36:40] <Jymmm> http://www.petesqbsite.com/sections/introduction/intro.shtml
[05:36:48] <Jymmm> download from there
[05:38:14] <malcom2073> You ever try Dark Basic? It's basically BASIC + 3d
[05:38:28] <chris_99> heh i remember using that
[05:38:45] <Jymmm> malcom2073: never heard of it
[05:39:07] <XXCoder> 40 bucks
[05:39:31] <Jymmm> ?
[05:39:39] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bylp9Hy0YKU
[05:39:48] <chris_99> does anyone remember RapidQ basic
[05:39:53] <Jymmm> http://www.petesqbsite.com/sections/introduction/qbasic11.zip
[05:39:58] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://www.petesqbsite.com/sections/introduction/qbasic11.zip
[05:40:08] <XXCoder> thanks
[05:40:38] <XXCoder> whoo cant even watch darkbasic game
[05:40:47] <XXCoder> very high dizzyness factpr
[05:41:20] <malcom2073> Heh, like anything easy to use, you get a lot of junk
[05:42:06] <XXCoder> Jymmm: one of fun I did at college is write turtle script interpeter
[05:42:37] <XXCoder> its actual compiler, though it does not make program file, just run it
[05:42:52] <XXCoder> still has source code somewhere
[05:44:55] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I administered the lan in college. When the lab dweebs would annoy me I would remap all the high speed printers and send this: 10 LPRINT CHR$(12) 20 GOTO 10
[05:45:10] <XXCoder> wild guess - 12 is beep?
[05:45:22] <Jymmm> Nuh uh.... form feed
[05:45:29] <XXCoder> lol
[05:45:41] <XXCoder> could do two liner, feed beep
[05:45:50] <gonzo_> that's almost old style basic!
[05:46:04] <Jymmm> It would empty a case of fan fold paper in 40 seconds
[05:46:27] <XXCoder> well Jymmm youre definitely BSFH lol
[05:46:47] <XXCoder> fast
[05:46:47] <Jymmm> That's Mr BOFH to you =)
[05:47:07] <XXCoder> oh yeah. misrememeber second word as sysop
[05:47:15] <Jymmm> =)
[05:47:35] <XXCoder> so whats your excuse of day
[05:47:49] <Jymmm> It's Monday is my excuse
[05:48:00] <XXCoder> lol good one yes
[05:50:13] <XXCoder> lol well night
[06:14:37] <Sync> hmm
[06:14:46] <Sync> those damn precise spindles are 2 phase motors
[06:14:46] <Sync> eh
[07:21:30] <MacGalempsy> anyone using fusion 360?
[08:14:56] <enleth> Jymmm: I administered the dormitory network and dweebs would be routed through a very nice parametrized simulation of a satelite link used on a very high latitude, during a storm. I found an example pf config tuned for that and the main router was FreeBSD.
[08:16:01] <enleth> It was so accurate that completely different loss probability calculations were performed for outgoing and incoming packets.
[08:16:11] <ganzuul> I think it's here...!
[08:16:19] * ganzuul is giddy
[08:17:06] <enleth> Of course, it was always their hardware, see, it works fine for everyone else.
[08:17:51] <enleth> Oh, and they liked to play MMOs.
[08:19:26] <ganzuul> no...
[08:20:29] <ganzuul> yes!
[08:25:11] <ganzuul> w00t!
[08:46:12] <kengu> ganzuul: toys?
[08:46:28] <kengu> arrived already?
[08:47:29] <enleth> ganzuul: damn you. I just got an email saying that the welder I ordered is not going to be shipped this week.
[08:47:50] <enleth> you and your happiness, yoy
[08:47:53] <enleth> *you
[08:50:25] <MacGalempsy> well, im off to bed. see bbl
[09:14:42] <ganzuul> :3
[09:14:52] <ganzuul> Got mah lathe.
[09:14:55] <archivist> made chips yet?
[09:15:16] <ganzuul> No, gotta degrease, install, switch out the UK power plug.
[09:16:56] <ganzuul> My brass brazing rods also arrived today. Oddly.
[09:17:12] <ganzuul> Slow flight.
[09:17:40] <ganzuul> Or maybe it's one of those misleading Chinese company names.
[09:36:49] <wolfwolfeye> morn
[09:38:31] <ssi> lawd
[09:44:11] <zeeshan> :P
[09:46:31] <ssi> zeeshan: I blame you
[09:54:35] <Sync> mmm
[09:54:39] <Sync> spindle runs :)
[09:59:28] <skunkworks> so does mine..
[09:59:42] <skunkworks> all 16 gears worth...
[09:59:45] <skunkworks> ;)
[10:00:01] <Sync> well, I had to modify some code for it to run
[10:00:05] <Sync> as it is a dumb 2 phase motor
[10:00:19] <skunkworks> what is it?
[10:00:21] <ssi> skunkworks: got all that hooked up to gearchange components now?
[10:00:38] <Sync> precise sc52
[10:00:43] <Sync> 60krpm 1,1kW
[10:00:45] <skunkworks> ssi, no. that was before gearchange.. I wrote my own..
[10:00:49] <ssi> ahhh
[10:02:26] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22dWg3GbywE
[10:03:03] <skunkworks> you can see the opto-22 output modules counting up binary
[10:03:28] <ssi> yeah
[10:05:12] <skunkworks> wapping 3000 rpm tops
[10:05:36] <ssi> what's the power on that spindle?
[10:15:57] <skunkworks> currently 5hp
[10:16:08] <skunkworks> it originally was 20hp hydraulic iirc
[10:16:23] <ssi> ah
[10:16:47] <skunkworks> The machine was even louder than it is now..
[10:17:53] <ssi> I beht
[10:19:32] <ssi> I am really looking forward to seeing how my cinci hogs metal with that damn 15hp 10krpm spindle
[10:21:39] <archivist> have a strong viewing panel, I was at a show and they seemed to deliberately be throwing chips at the "glass"
[10:21:49] <ssi> haha
[10:22:05] <ssi> I have doors but I probably need to replace the glass :P
[10:24:08] <skunkworks> I don't think we have used the full 5hp for anything.
[10:24:43] <ssi> yeah I don't think I can get the full 15 on mine because of power constraints
[10:27:57] <FinboySlick> skunkworks: I imagine that when making use of 20hp, fastening your part well was no joke.
[10:28:56] <skunkworks> the t-slots can take 3/4 bolts..
[10:29:31] <FinboySlick> skunkworks: What was the typical use case for that kind of power (not that you need it now)?
[10:29:41] <FinboySlick> 12" face mills?
[10:29:48] <skunkworks> sure - slabbing metal
[10:30:02] <skunkworks> we regurlary use a 6 inch face mill
[10:30:14] <skunkworks> shell mill
[10:30:40] <skunkworks> we just used a 10" for flattening a table.
[10:31:09] <skunkworks> *not a kitchen table.. A table for a piece of equipemnt...
[10:31:52] <ssi> I have a 4" I use on the bridgeport; I want to get a 6" for the cinci
[10:31:57] <ssi> I love face mills
[10:32:47] <CaptHindsight> it gets exciting when you plunge a mill that size to quickly into something, it also tests the current protection circuitry
[10:33:51] <skunkworks> it is an older toshiba vfd. No issues - knock on wood...
[10:34:03] <ssi> I got a big monster hitachi
[10:34:13] <ssi> it's a 25hp vfd cause I'm feeding it with single phase
[10:49:30] <CaptHindsight> archivist: Philips N1500 VCR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU268jsuw9c were these popular there in the days before beta/vhs?
[10:51:20] <SpeedEvil> no
[10:51:34] <Jymmm> enleth: Wouldn't IPoAvian been faster?
[10:52:08] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Grilled cheese in the VCR =)
[10:52:17] <Jymmm> Mmmmm TOASTY!!!
[10:54:21] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: nothing really got popular for users before betamax
[10:54:52] <Jymmm> Servicing that thing... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQKmjfNy20w
[10:54:59] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: it was the same here
[10:56:50] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: You forgot Laserdisc =)
[11:07:09] <SpeedEvil> 'before'
[11:08:43] <CaptHindsight> http://hoaxes.org/weblog/comments/dvd_rewinder heh
[11:17:08] <ganzuul> Hmmm... The brushless DC 7x lathe has an extremely low minimum RPM on its spindle, and it appears to have no intention of stalling..
[11:17:56] <ganzuul> Way below the 100 RPM advertised.
[11:20:41] <Jymmm> lol http://www.uncoolcentral.com/DVDrewind.htm
[11:23:25] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: :)
[11:23:30] <SpeedEvil> Be careful of overhat
[11:25:59] <ganzuul> SpeedEvil: I'll open it up one day and deduce if it does thermal sensing.
[11:26:23] <SpeedEvil> Hopefully not the day after it stops working.
[11:28:47] <jdh> lms has a 16" bed for 7x. almost tempting.
[11:29:16] <ganzuul> That's the one I got.
[11:29:28] <ganzuul> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathes/Model-C3-Mini-Lathe/Model-Super-C3-Mini-Lathe
[11:30:06] <CaptHindsight> "Do NOT be fooled by cheap imitations like, "99 cent / 30 second DVD rewind," their service is unreliable and known to damage DVDs."
[11:31:14] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: what are your overall impressions of it so far. I am considering
[11:32:03] <Contract_Pilot> Morning
[11:32:09] <SpeedEvil> Contract_Pilot: orning
[11:33:15] <ganzuul> SpeedEvil: So far, very good. I think I'll go over some of its pointy bits with a file.
[11:33:34] <ganzuul> All the precision parts appears to be precise.
[11:33:59] <ganzuul> I can detect a little play in the toolpost, but that's the factory adjustement.
[11:35:11] <ganzuul> Also, apparently I will be taking the tailstock dead center out when not in use.
[11:35:27] <ganzuul> That thing is very pointy, and my hands are soft babby hands.
[11:35:37] <ssi> how is babby hands formed?
[11:36:03] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: have you actually done test turnings of various bits - runout, ...
[11:36:13] <ssi> two collars test for bed twist
[11:36:43] <ganzuul> No, it arrived today, 3 hours ago.
[11:36:48] <ssi> commence to cuttin
[11:36:59] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: would be very interested
[11:37:09] <ganzuul> I have just gotten enough grease off it to dare give it a good fondling.
[11:37:51] <ganzuul> I don't have any material... I think.
[11:37:59] <ganzuul> Maybe some old bolts.
[11:38:35] <Tom_itx> anyone know how to mod the toolbars in SW?
[11:42:08] <ganzuul> Oh poop. Have to grind the tool bits down. People said they needed shimming up. Weird.
[11:42:42] <ssi> can you put an axa toolpost on that little guy?
[11:43:11] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, right click customize
[11:45:19] <ganzuul> ssi: My plastic guessometer says the biggest tool bit it will take is 16mm.
[11:45:34] <CaptHindsight> ganzuul: does it come shipped coated in 1cm of bacon fat?
[11:46:13] <ssi> ganzuul: http://littlemachineshop.com/2461
[11:46:16] <ganzuul> CaptHindsight: Yes. I was wondering what that was. Bacon fat fits the bill perfectly.
[11:46:28] <ssi> ganzuul: that'll let you adjust the height of your tools individually
[11:46:41] <ssi> and if you intend to do a cnc conversion on it you're gonna want a quick change post
[11:47:31] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, right click where? i think i tried that..
[11:47:33] <ganzuul> Yeah... One thing at a time though.
[11:47:37] <Tom_itx> booting..
[11:47:42] <ssi> ganzuul: shimming tools sucks :)
[11:47:55] <ganzuul> Might actually get this right with the milling attachement I bought though.
[11:48:03] <ganzuul> One moment. Reassembling!
[11:48:06] <ssi> learn to grind tools accurately, it'll help your turning a lot
[11:48:40] <Tom_itx> ahh there it is
[11:48:43] <Tom_itx> thanks
[11:48:50] <JT-Shop> on an empty spot of the tool bar
[11:49:07] <Tom_itx> i want to add an icon but still don't see where to do it
[11:49:15] <Tom_itx> right click brought up customize..
[11:49:26] <JT-Shop> click on customize
[11:49:30] <ganzuul> ssi: I'll try that trick with cutting a HSS tool bit with a carbide end mill.
[11:49:31] <Tom_itx> i want to add something to the sketch tool bar
[11:49:42] <ssi> yikes that sounds awful
[11:49:44] <Tom_itx> this is an old SW btw
[11:50:00] <ganzuul> If the 7x can accomplish that feat, then it has to be great product.
[11:50:10] <ssi> hard machining isn't something you want to get into with 5th story apartment class machines!
[11:50:30] <ssi> just get a bench grinder and some decent wheels, and learn to grind tools
[11:50:50] <ssi> it's not hard once you have a good understanding of the different angles
[11:52:02] <archivist> I often leave the top flat
[11:52:18] <ssi> 0 rake
[11:52:22] <archivist> gets more life out of a bit and is best for brass
[11:52:59] <ssi> I put a little back and side rake in usually
[11:53:01] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN6Pi4VWgAE-why.jpg:large
[11:54:04] <archivist> I like to use my hss till the tool holder cannot grip it :)
[11:54:55] <ganzuul> Yeah, I'll probably need a grinder.
[11:55:02] <ssi> you definitely need a grinder
[11:55:20] <ganzuul> With the milling attachement I should be able to make some chips though.
[11:55:45] <ganzuul> found this little brass hex spacer which I'll dig into at 0 rake.
[11:56:44] <archivist> needs to be effin sharp for brass
[11:59:40] <ganzuul> goddamnit
[11:59:56] <ganzuul> what material should I start with then?
[12:00:04] <ssi> 6061 aluminum probably
[12:00:13] <ssi> or some mild steel, or leaded steel like 12L14
[12:00:29] <archivist> a free cutting material
[12:00:30] <ganzuul> ah
[12:01:47] <ganzuul> ...I probably have more invar than aluminium.
[12:01:53] <ssi> invar?
[12:01:58] <archivist> invar is nasty
[12:02:08] <archivist> it work hardens
[12:02:35] <ganzuul> Used in e.g. flourescent tube end caps. And light bulb screws.
[12:03:00] <ssi> oh it's a nickel alloy
[12:03:08] <ssi> yea stay away from the nickel stuff :P
[12:03:12] <ganzuul> :D
[12:03:55] <archivist> used for clock pendulums for its low expansion rate
[12:07:20] <CaptHindsight> ganzuul: what do you typically use the Invar for?
[12:14:31] <ganzuul> I don't... But I'd use it for glass-metal seals.
[12:14:46] <ganzuul> Same way vacuum tubes were made.
[12:18:20] <ganzuul> Well that was undramatic.
[12:18:40] <ganzuul> Must be sponge-grade brass.
[12:19:06] <ganzuul> Then again it was probably machined to begin with.
[12:19:37] <ganzuul> Since it's hex stock, got an inner thread on one side and outer thread on the other.
[12:19:45] <ganzuul> Maybe 6~7mm dia
[12:20:41] <zeeshan> send me some invar!
[12:20:54] <archivist> all mine!
[12:21:01] <ganzuul> zeeshan: I can send you a few broken flourescent tubes.
[12:21:25] <ganzuul> Well it's not invar on those. Not the brand. Same nickel composition though.
[12:33:11] * ganzuul has discovered "digging in"!
[12:33:53] <ssi> lol
[12:34:02] <Wolf_> yay, stuff I bought off Facebook wasn’t a scam lol
[12:35:43] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/Sbd6BWE.jpg Lunch then time to get busy on the cnc
[12:35:59] <ganzuul> Definitely need a proper toolpost for machining brass. The milling attachement has too much overhang and the cross slide is too narrow.
[12:37:20] <ganzuul> ...means the tool was rocking forward, digging in, and then rocking back, over and over.
[12:37:24] <Wolf_> quick change tool posts are nice, just don’t get the cheap ass piston style like the one I have
[12:37:44] <t12> capthindsight: oh also should note that illumina did most of twists series c
[12:37:47] <t12> re that article
[12:37:53] <t12> i think it was c
[12:37:56] <Wolf_> was the tool post rocking or is the cross slide lifting
[12:38:25] <Wolf_> my C2 cuts brass like butter...
[12:39:21] <ganzuul> Wolf_: I used a milling attachement to set the height since I bought 12mm toolbits, and they are too high.
[12:40:04] <Wolf_> oh, lol yeah that square tool post?
[12:41:26] <ganzuul> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathes/Model-C3-Mini-Lathe/C3-Super-C3-Accessories#C3-Milling-Attachment
[12:41:36] <ganzuul> They sent me the bigger version of this instead.
[12:41:45] <ganzuul> ...I think.
[12:41:51] <ganzuul> Black instead of red.
[12:42:49] <Wolf_> wait, you are trying to use that as a tool post?
[12:42:56] <ganzuul> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathes/Model-Super-C6-Lathe/Super-C6-and-C6-Lathe-Accessories#C6-Super-C6-Milling-Attachment-090-030-00400
[12:43:09] <ganzuul> "The Super C6 Milling Attachment also doubles as a variable height tool holder which can be locked in position for rigidity."
[12:44:34] <Wolf_> take a pic of the setup on the lathe, work piece and tool
[12:44:53] <ganzuul> >.>
[12:44:58] <Wolf_> also grab the top of the milling attachment and see if the cross slide will rock
[12:45:12] <ganzuul> I haven't ground the tool yet. Just used a pointy part of it.
[12:45:23] <Wolf_> that don’t matter
[12:46:53] <ssi> an unground tool isn't going to have anywhere close to the right geometry
[12:47:16] <Wolf_> ^
[12:47:30] <Wolf_> I just want to see the overhangs of the milling thinger
[12:50:31] <ganzuul> Wolf_: http://i.imgur.com/tja30Nq.jpg
[12:51:09] <ssi> looks flexy!
[12:51:39] <Wolf_> yeah, thats like total ebolaids setup :P
[12:52:35] <Wolf_> and the milling attachment is the C3 one, c6 has a 2nd mounting plate on the bottom
[12:55:55] <ganzuul> mh...
[12:56:48] <Wolf_> QCTP http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=3113&category=1206492058 that style IMO
[12:58:04] <ganzuul> It could be usable if one could turn the overhang 90 degrees.
[12:58:13] <SpeedEvil> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathes/Model-Super-C6-Lathe/Super-C6-and-C6-Lathe-Accessories#C6-Super-C6-Milling-Attachment-090-030-00400
[12:58:29] <zeeshan> you don't realize how much you miss solidworks
[12:58:33] <SpeedEvil> the quick change toolpost
[12:58:36] <zeeshan> when you start getting deep into projects
[12:58:51] <zeeshan> stupid inventor can't mirror components and keep the relationship of mirroringing
[12:58:58] <zeeshan> you gotta go reconstraint everything
[12:59:02] <zeeshan> garbage
[12:59:11] <zeeshan> i also miss smarter fasteners
[12:59:26] <zeeshan> :(
[13:07:50] <ganzuul> Computer Aided Douchbaggery
[13:08:30] * SpeedEvil wishes sketchup hadn't been made free
[13:08:53] <SpeedEvil> Removed a sizeable fraction of the impetus for someone to have done OS cad
[13:08:56] <SpeedEvil> CAD
[13:22:30] <_methods> didn't sketchup start its' life free?
[13:31:42] <A_Nub> So I know this is probably a stupid question, but what is the best way to calibrate a machine?
[13:31:53] <A_Nub> I dont know what settings I should be changing in stepconf
[13:32:01] * Wolf_ suggests math
[13:32:12] <A_Nub> For which variables though?
[13:32:30] <A_Nub> I've tried changing a bunch of things and all my 3.2mm holes come out the same exact size
[13:32:33] <A_Nub> I'm sorta confused
[13:32:44] <Wolf_> calibrating for distance per step?
[13:33:23] <A_Nub> Well I have one of those el-cheapo china machines, not even sure I got the settings right
[13:33:40] <A_Nub> but I believe its a 4mm pitch lead and I know its 1.8deg steps
[13:34:02] <A_Nub> I found someone online suggesting it was 8 for micro steps
[13:34:15] <A_Nub> I just dont know what to adjust to get the sizing right
[13:34:21] <archivist> but how are your drivers set in miccrosteps
[13:34:30] <A_Nub> a 3.2mm hole is coming out around 2.66mm
[13:34:31] <Wolf_> stick a rule down on the bed, put something to use as a pointer in the tool holder, then tell it to go a several inchs
[13:34:56] <A_Nub> ok
[13:35:15] <archivist> adjust scale, rinse repeat
[13:35:22] <Wolf_> ^
[13:36:00] <archivist> sometimes there is an oops moment when something is in inches
[13:36:34] * ganzuul has at the HSS tool bit with a needle file
[13:36:35] * Jymmm smacks archivist with a yard stick! Sometimes it's yards, not inches too =)
[13:36:43] <A_Nub> which is scale?
[13:36:56] <A_Nub> is it in the stepconf?
[13:37:17] <ganzuul> archivist: Sometimes that moment is when you're traveling to Mars.
[13:37:20] <A_Nub> I mean what variable should I be tuning, there is a lot of choices there
[13:37:26] <Wolf_> thread pitch, you adjust that to get the scale working correct
[13:37:28] <archivist> that has something like steps per rev, 200 * 8
[13:37:51] <A_Nub> oh so microsteps is just a multiplier?
[13:37:58] <Wolf_> yup
[13:37:59] <A_Nub> so this UI is more confusing than the files?
[13:38:02] <A_Nub> great
[13:38:10] <A_Nub> I was looking in the ini trying to find micro steps
[13:38:15] <A_Nub> going crazy
[13:38:36] <A_Nub> ok so microsteps =1 and tune steps per revolution?
[13:38:46] <archivist> in the ini it is a number
[13:39:31] <archivist> this is not tuning, this is machine scale, tuning is acceleration and top speed
[13:39:36] <A_Nub> I wish I knew what these drivers where
[13:39:39] <A_Nub> :(
[13:39:45] <A_Nub> archivist: ok
[13:39:54] <Wolf_> imo, I would mark one of the screws/motor shafts, make sure that if you tell it 4mm travel it does one full turn
[13:40:14] <ganzuul> Is HSS harder than files? =(
[13:40:19] <Wolf_> then you have the motor set, then mess with the pitch settings if table doesn’t travel 4mm
[13:40:30] <archivist> ganzuul, about the same probably
[13:40:33] <A_Nub> Wolf_: good idea
[13:40:49] <ganzuul> bleh
[13:41:06] <archivist> dti on the table to show it moves 4mm too
[13:41:16] <ganzuul> Goan buy a grinder tomorrow.
[13:41:50] <Wolf_> quick change tool post, inserts holders :)
[13:41:53] <archivist> a bench grinder is an essential tool :)
[13:42:40] <ganzuul> I found Russian brazed carbide tool bits.
[13:42:47] <ganzuul> Cheap as dirt.
[13:42:53] <Wolf_> those work too
[13:43:04] <ganzuul> But they are too big for this tool holder.
[13:43:14] <archivist> I have a couple set up, wire brush, green grit, coarse and fine alumina
[13:44:14] <Wolf_> SHARS AXA quick change tool post wedge style IMO
[13:44:20] <CaptHindsight> A_Nub: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/quickstart/stepper_quickstart.html this might help explain
[13:44:48] <Wolf_> you will find out fast that switching tooling happens often on the lathe
[13:45:55] <archivist> only takes me a few secs to change from normal turning to hand turning
[13:46:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shars.com/quick-change-tool-post-set-piston-type-100-axa
[13:46:39] <Wolf_> the non-piston IMO
[13:47:19] <archivist> quick change is essential on cnc
[13:47:29] <archivist> and boring
[13:47:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shars.com/quick-change-tool-post-set-wedge-type-111-axa
[13:48:11] <Wolf_> yeah that, I’m thinking of ordering one soon
[13:48:48] <Wolf_> I have a phase II piston qctp and I really don’t like the way it holds
[13:50:19] <Wolf_> these are cool http://www.shars.com/products/toolholding-workholding/quick-change-tool-post-holders/6-13-40-position-quick-change-tool-post
[13:51:11] <archivist> I used a 40 position when at the clockmakers
[13:51:35] <archivist> I would not think it suitable for cnc
[13:51:50] <Wolf_> yeah,no need on a cnc
[13:52:11] <ganzuul> Is any of these types good? http://www.biltema.fi/fi/Tyokalut/Sahkotyokalut/Penkkihiomakoneet/
[13:52:30] <ganzuul> The belt sander might be useful...
[13:52:43] <archivist> we had it on the Schaublin 70 lathes, always fighting for the holders
[13:53:16] <A_Nub> CaptHindsight: thx but I still dont know what this driver does
[13:53:17] <A_Nub> :(
[13:53:27] <archivist> normal double ended for basic tool grinding
[13:54:04] <archivist> A_Nub, after a 30 second experiment you should be able to work it out
[13:54:23] <A_Nub> archivist: for micro stepping?
[13:54:30] <archivist> yes
[13:55:05] <archivist> does your axis move 1/8th of what you expected :) or something else
[13:55:43] <Wolf_> its pretty simple, you have pitch set at 4mm right, so stepper should do 1 full rev to move 4mm
[13:55:44] <archivist> so does it move .5mm or 4mm or what
[13:55:57] <A_Nub> archivist: so my motors are labeled 1.8deg
[13:56:04] <A_Nub> so 200 for steps per rev
[13:56:14] <A_Nub> and 8 for micro gets me half the distance I expect
[13:56:15] <A_Nub> so 16?
[13:56:33] <archivist> yes, so 8 microsteps if needed is 8*200
[13:57:16] <A_Nub> i wish stepconf test didnt go back and forth
[13:57:18] <A_Nub> :(
[13:57:24] <Wolf_> sharpie/tape on teh motor shaft, visual feedback works faster, if the microstep count is off it will show fast
[13:57:26] <archivist> yes you can just change to 16 try it...
[13:57:47] <A_Nub> Wolf_: ok I have it doing it with a ruler now
[13:57:52] <A_Nub> and + 20mm
[13:57:56] <A_Nub> it seems about right
[13:57:57] <Wolf_> ignore the ruler
[13:57:59] <archivist> methinks stepconf leaves a lot to be desired
[13:58:02] <A_Nub> ok
[13:58:13] <Wolf_> you need to get the step/rev set, then mess with the pitch
[13:58:34] <Wolf_> you don’t want to adjust travel by messing with the steps
[13:58:54] <archivist> or both at the same time to reduce the rinse repeat cycles :)
[13:59:21] <Wolf_> yeah, you can check both, doesn’t add much
[14:00:03] <Wolf_> also if you mess with the settings on the drivers… don’t forget to power cycle them...
[14:00:09] <Wolf_> don’t ask how I know
[14:00:28] <A_Nub> ok 200 and 16
[14:00:32] <A_Nub> does 1 revolution
[14:00:35] <A_Nub> when I move 4mm
[14:00:56] <A_Nub> so now we tune pitch for true sizing?
[14:00:57] <Wolf_> huh 200 what and 16 where?
[14:01:09] <A_Nub> 200 steps per rev and 16 micro steps
[14:01:48] <archivist> do a long distance, should now be as accurate as the screw
[14:02:09] <archivist> unless 4mm is the incorrect pitch
[14:02:34] <skunkworks> archivist, http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/68146-Division-Master-Helical-Cuts-on-a-Plain-Manual-Mill?p=1004328#post1004328
[14:03:58] <A_Nub> archivist: just did 50mm against the ruler came out correct
[14:04:08] <A_Nub> whats the right way oto fine tune scale from here?
[14:04:22] <archivist> skunksleep, yup I set that up for him :)
[14:04:40] <skunkworks> I figured
[14:05:04] <archivist> A_Nub, that is it, next axis
[14:05:35] <archivist> only thing you can do better is to map the screw errors
[14:07:17] <archivist> skunkworks, at least I now know he is still using it, not heard from him for a while
[14:09:04] <Loetmichel> *OUCH* the chinsese dont build them like they used to... the back rest my desk chair just broke free and has fallen back... me included. now i have a "recliner"... and that after less than half a year... :-(
[14:10:13] <enleth> Is thre anyone experienced in machine greases here?
[14:10:45] <CaptHindsight> A_Nub: the number of steps per rev in stepper motors are pretty standard e.g., 200/rev, 400/rev and so are screw pitches
[14:10:59] <enleth> I've scooped the grease out of the back gear compartment in the bridgeport and I'm trying to identify that goo.
[14:11:17] <CaptHindsight> A_Nub: so unless you've got some non-standard or custom hardware it's easy
[14:11:40] <enleth> It's yellowish-brown, slightly translucent, more yellow than brown when smeared thin and has a distinctive smell of natural resin.
[14:11:40] <CaptHindsight> it gets more complicated if you have gearing involved or pulleys
[14:14:45] <Wolf_Mill> this might make some laugh, total noob question, whats the useage of the zero/abs on the digial mic
[14:16:57] <SpeedEvil> Does anyone happen to know of any project or collection of measurements on 'proper' lathes/mills? That is 'I loaded the toolpost by 100kg in X/Y/Z and it moved x/y/z for example
[14:17:01] <JT-Shop> zero zeros the mic and abs changes between absolute and incremental
[14:18:29] <Wolf_Mill> first time playing with this fancy mitutoyo, origin is setting the true zero then?
[14:18:30] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: measurements of deflection based on tool loads or similar?
[14:18:36] <SpeedEvil> yes
[14:18:58] <archivist> SpeedEvil, that is the sort of thing a done in research and machine qualification
[14:19:05] <SpeedEvil> archivist: yes, I know.
[14:19:58] <archivist> I have some conference proceedings and books but you should find some on the web in real machine specs
[14:20:12] <SpeedEvil> I'm basically wondering what 'real' machines stack up at.
[14:20:21] <SpeedEvil> that is - your average 'consumer' lathe.
[14:20:33] <SpeedEvil> Well - going into industry.
[14:20:47] <SpeedEvil> Not one costing eleven billion dollars and going to picometers.
[14:20:53] <archivist> its the accuracy v max weight spec
[14:21:29] <archivist> so it will be better than that as long as not overloaded
[14:22:05] <SpeedEvil> No results found for "accuracy vs max weight".
[14:22:09] <SpeedEvil> (google)
[14:22:15] <SpeedEvil> Sorry - not trying to be annoying
[14:22:24] <Sync> enleth: the backgear lube?
[14:22:33] <Wolf_Mill> well, I can tell you on the C1-whatever 7" things you can probably measure the flex with a metal rule
[14:22:35] <archivist> which reminds me of http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=statfold+milling
[14:23:14] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: any concern for measurements of vibration or chatter as well?
[14:23:42] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: In principle, yes.
[14:24:06] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: But static loading is an obvious first step and other would be really, really hard to measure
[14:24:15] <SpeedEvil> At least in a simple manner
[14:24:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mfg.mtu.edu/cyberman/machining/trad/turning/turn.html
[14:24:22] <enleth> Sync: yes. I guess the proper word for the color of the more un-contaminated parts is "amber".
[14:24:36] <CaptHindsight> have to find the non-broken link to their results
[14:24:50] <archivist> people are dynamically measuring the deflection of machine tools
[14:25:09] <enleth> Sync: I have no idea what Textron put in there and I wouldn't like to mix uncompatible thickeners
[14:25:16] <enleth> *incompatible
[14:25:38] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: that reminds me of not buying a large box of terfenol-d on ebay
[14:25:44] <enleth> I've got a crapload of white lithium grease but this may be calcium stearate.
[14:25:48] <CaptHindsight> enleth: do you think the lube is from the factory?
[14:25:54] <[cube]> enleth: sent you a pm
[14:26:28] <archivist> get a copy of the conference proceedings of Laser metrology and machine performance
[14:26:32] <Sync> just wash it out and fill white lithium in there
[14:27:09] <enleth> CaptHindsight: almost sure. The shielding that separates the backgear compartment from the varispeed compartment looks like it was never removed before.
[14:27:28] * SpeedEvil wishes he still ahd access to a uni library
[14:28:25] <archivist> some publish on the web later, never searched for this particular issue
[14:28:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ijsrp.org/research-paper-0713/ijsrp-p1964.pdf
[14:29:07] <chris_99> SpeedEvil, i thought the public could use uni libraries normally?
[14:29:15] <CaptHindsight> All the 27 experiments were carried out on the precision centre lathe, NAGMATI-175
[14:29:24] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: transport is a major problem
[14:29:30] <chris_99> ah bugger
[14:29:47] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: looks interesting, thanks
[14:30:16] <enleth> Sync: I'd have to remove the splined tube thing that goes around the spindle, it's permanently attached to the backgear, and lots of the lube is under that
[14:31:09] <Sync> yeah dunno
[14:31:13] <Sync> or just leave it
[14:31:20] <enleth> I guess I will
[14:31:37] <enleth> Or just clean the gears, smear them with lithium lube and ignore the rest
[14:31:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261306904001943 Finite element analysis of bending occurring while cutting with high speed steel lathe cutting tools
[14:33:32] <archivist> articles like, Identification and solution of machine tool chatter problems
[14:34:16] <Roguish> CaptHindsight: interesting article, but old, 2004. there are much better FEAs now for that type of work.
[14:34:28] <archivist> SpeedEvil, the index http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bk3033
[14:35:01] <SpeedEvil> archivist: reading CaptHindsight's paper ATM - will bookmark, thanks.
[14:35:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.waset.org/publications/558 The Effect of the Tool Geometry and Cutting Conditions on the Tool Deflection and Cutting Forces
[14:35:21] <Wolf_Mill> so, how bad is it to run a ball screw to stepper with timing belt drive? much added backlash?
[14:35:30] <CaptHindsight> Roguish: then post links :)
[14:35:51] <CaptHindsight> it's not a contest
[14:36:10] <Loetmichel> Wolf_Mill: if done with correct belt tension: no backlash added at all
[14:37:00] <archivist> but you will be adding errors from both timing gears and the belt
[14:37:23] <Loetmichel> archivist minor ones
[14:37:23] <archivist> you will see that as a cyclic error
[14:37:38] <archivist> depends on quality
[14:37:38] <Wolf_Mill> so suck it up and deal with the machine having a fat ass
[14:38:41] <SpeedEvil> Roguish: yes - I am almost not caring about the CFD part of that paper.
[14:38:42] <Loetmichel> archivist: i made the "t20" timing gears for my belts my self because the commercial aviable ones had half a tooth "play"
[14:39:07] <archivist> cyclic errors are a real pain when you get them
[14:39:43] <Roguish> CaptainHindsight: codes like DYNA. Explicit codes that don't have to form a full stiffness matrix. Even Ansys (referred to in that article) has an explicit version. also ABAQUS (now Simulia). Plus Moore's law has helped immeasurably.
[14:40:39] <Roguish> It's just been a few years. and FEA has evolved and developed pretty fast. But like I said, interesting article.
[14:40:53] <Roguish> no harm no foul.
[14:41:16] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=7074&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- the aluminium ones are bought, the brown (FR2) ones are selfmade
[14:42:09] <Roguish> check out this: https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=ansys+explicit&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-002
[14:42:40] <Roguish> what used to be done on a Cray, now is done on a desktop. pretty cool stuff.
[14:54:49] <SpeedEvil> Moores law + massive parallelism
[14:54:53] <SpeedEvil> cheaply
[14:55:17] <SpeedEvil> IIRC you can now on a single 'normal' PC get to the met office standard in 1998
[14:57:34] <CaptHindsight> PC benchmark tests from the 80's run much faster now
[14:58:20] <CaptHindsight> I like the ones that had dials that would spin for some tests, now they look like fans
[15:00:04] * ganzuul can drill!
[15:00:16] <SpeedEvil> It is unfortunate that single-threaded general purpose cores has hit a wall.
[15:02:11] <ganzuul> It has been possible to surpass those speeds for decades, but silicon wafers are cheap compared to GaAs or diamond.
[15:03:11] <ganzuul> 10GbE is just waiting for the laws of physics to change so that it can use silicon and copper.
[15:03:21] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: Not really.
[15:03:32] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: yes, you can go up severalfold - but that is once.
[15:03:47] <ganzuul> ?
[15:04:03] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: since ~1980, single-core compute performance has improved ~a million fold - based more or less solely on geometry.
[15:04:42] <SpeedEvil> You can't get another hundred times by paying any amount of money per chip
[15:04:54] <ganzuul> Mh... I was referring to single transistors switching speeds.
[15:05:23] <ganzuul> Those vacuum transistors are going to surpass GaAs thoguh.
[15:05:33] <ganzuul> speaking of which...
[15:05:33] <SpeedEvil> you can't quite go from single transistor speed to chip speed though.
[15:05:46] <SpeedEvil> Interconnect and power limits things severely as well as crosstalk
[15:07:22] <ganzuul> Damnit. Some stupid thermometer is preventing me from finding out of someone has already made optical fibers out of gaas.
[15:08:30] <ganzuul> See if we can have deep IR optic fibers, then we can have the kind of interconnect that should make vacuum transistors thrive.
[15:08:35] <Sync> yeah single transistor speed is insane currently
[15:09:37] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: that only helps if you can get them very dense.
[15:09:43] <SpeedEvil> And low power
[15:09:54] <ganzuul> The tranistors or the fibers?
[15:09:57] <SpeedEvil> both.
[15:10:16] <SpeedEvil> A billion devices on a postage stamp - great.
[15:10:25] <SpeedEvil> A billion devices on a football court - not so useful.
[15:11:30] <ganzuul> I have this idea about radiative cooling.
[15:11:47] <ganzuul> Where the heat you take out is actually the information.
[15:11:51] <ganzuul> Or work.
[15:12:45] <ganzuul> If the same would work for a laser, where waste heat is simply radiated through laser action, then the device would be nearly 100% efficient.
[15:13:26] <SpeedEvil> 'no'
[15:14:00] <ganzuul> Gas lasers use convection for the essential cooling cycle.
[15:14:13] <ganzuul> But the temperatures are several electron volts.
[15:14:42] <ganzuul> In concentration that melts anything.
[15:15:43] <ganzuul> But since the gas is so thin, conductive cooling suffices.
[15:16:52] <ganzuul> Just missing that terahertz gap which vacuum transistors fit into.
[15:17:31] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landauer%27s_principle
[15:18:10] <ganzuul> "any logically irreversible..."
[15:18:13] <ganzuul> stop right there
[15:18:23] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limits_to_computation
[15:18:31] <ganzuul> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_computing
[15:18:49] <SpeedEvil> fully reversible computing has problems
[15:19:22] <ganzuul> Example?
[15:19:37] <SpeedEvil> ##physics
[15:19:42] <SpeedEvil> sorry - I'm not awake enough
[15:22:13] * ganzuul spikes SpeedEvil's coffee with some entropy
[15:24:47] <XXCoder> mmm tasty entropy
[15:29:20] <ganzuul> Morse taper is realy interesting...
[15:29:30] <ganzuul> Can drill without a drawbar.
[15:31:51] <SpeedEvil> Less and less people understand morse taper these days
[15:35:09] <ganzuul> I do.
[15:35:14] <ganzuul> It's black magic.
[15:44:18] <R2E4> Hi all
[15:45:01] <R2E4> On a deep pocket, the bit is moving laterally before it is all the way out of the pocket. G64?
[15:45:32] <cradek> yep
[15:45:40] <cradek> adjust as needed
[15:48:29] <R2E4> add G64 P0.001 , does it matter where?
[15:48:46] <R2E4> before G53 line?
[15:50:48] <R2E4> I have a line N10 G90 G94 G17 G91.1, then a N15 G20 then a G53 line before the tool change, can I put it on N15 re: N15 G20 G64 P0.001 ?
[15:50:59] <_methods> ssi: you see this
[15:51:01] <_methods> http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/How-a-Texas-collector-ended-up-with-millions-6508767.php#photo-8640463
[16:08:38] <R2E4> anyone using inventor with linuxcnc?
[16:27:28] <Wolf_Mill> current machine puzzle, how to attach ball screw to the carrage http://i.imgur.com/3dZmaDH.jpg
[16:31:05] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_Mill: have a pic of the underside of the carriage? the near isometric view above is nice
[16:31:29] <Wolf_Mill> that is the bottom of the carrage
[16:32:44] <CaptHindsight> you'll need to make something, how much clearance is there for the ball nut?
[16:33:06] <Wolf_Mill> not much lol
[16:33:34] <Wolf_Mill> i have 9mm on the front edge
[16:34:18] <malcom2073> You need a u shaped block to slide around the nut, flat on top to bolt to your table, and flat in front to bolt the nut to?
[16:35:05] <Wolf_Mill> well, I could just add a plate to the front face
[16:35:10] <malcom2073> Heh or that
[16:35:43] <Wolf_Mill> 1/4" alum plate stiff enough?
[16:37:20] <CaptHindsight> 1/4" steel
[16:38:35] <Wolf_Mill> I have some of that too :)
[16:39:42] <cradek> that looks like a lot of ballscrew for that tiny table
[16:39:52] <Wolf_Mill> 1204
[16:40:02] <Wolf_Mill> smaller isnt easy to find
[16:40:18] <cradek> can you attach the nut to the saddle and fit bearings instead?
[16:40:57] <Wolf_Mill> that is the saddle
[16:41:14] <Wolf_Mill> thats the Y axis
[16:41:16] <cradek> oh! it is
[16:41:51] <cradek> I thought that was the (tiny) table but now I see the other edge
[16:42:50] <Wolf_Mill> stock setup on this has the Y screw/motor traveling with the saddle, I'm putting the nut on the saddle and mounting the motor at the rear of the base
[16:48:10] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/osOM4DE.jpg over all pic makes it clearer
[16:51:04] <Contract_Pilot> Anyone have a 7I76-5I25 PLUG-N-GO KIT laying arround?
[16:51:34] <Contract_Pilot> Mesa is out for the next 4-5 weeks.
[16:51:50] <PetefromTn_> what machine is that?
[16:52:34] <Wolf_Mill> extended Y base for a X1 seig (aka super X1 base)
[16:53:00] <cradek> interesting asymmetrical saddle
[16:54:11] <PetefromTn_> so it is facing backwards then?
[16:54:17] <Wolf_Mill> its asymmetrical because the hand wheel/lead bearing block bolts to outside (right side in the pic) end
[16:55:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mycncuk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5957&d=1336416032
[16:55:53] <Wolf_Mill> thats it
[16:56:28] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlhn5rgRr38
[16:56:32] <Wolf_Mill> heh, its a x2 base as well it seems
[16:56:40] <CaptHindsight> here's one someone did ^^
[16:57:02] <Wolf_Mill> wow thats ugly lol
[16:57:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mycncuk.com/threads/4524-Sieg-SX2-Plus-build
[16:57:43] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mycncuk.com/attachment.php?s=036b803f1c878a5f0822cae7b263c001&attachmentid=6170&d=1340137064
[16:57:51] <CaptHindsight> Y ^^
[16:58:03] <CaptHindsight> X nut http://www.mycncuk.com/attachment.php?s=036b803f1c878a5f0822cae7b263c001&attachmentid=6171&d=1340137147
[16:58:36] <CaptHindsight> is an X2 so not exactly the same
[16:59:17] <PetefromTn_> why is there such a gap between where the ballscrew ends and the mount on the table?
[17:00:03] <Wolf_Mill> the right side of my pic PetefromTn_ ?
[17:00:14] <PetefromTn_> no
[17:00:19] <PetefromTn_> the linked pics
[17:00:33] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: this one? http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vlhn5rgRr38/maxresdefault.jpg
[17:00:50] <CaptHindsight> looks like motor clearance
[17:00:59] <PetefromTn_> so basically you are taking an X1 column and head and attaching an extended Y axis saddle to an X2 base
[17:01:14] <Wolf_Mill> yup
[17:01:41] <PetefromTn_> that is the only thing I can see is motor clearance but I think I would just turn it away from the table instead of having that long overhang
[17:01:51] <CaptHindsight> heh, well
[17:02:03] <CaptHindsight> maybe he needed the bench space :)
[17:02:11] <Wolf_Mill> which is neat to know that I can get a x2 head and column to upgrade
[17:02:14] <PetefromTn_> he lost it either way ;)
[17:02:50] <PetefromTn_> so what is the before and after travels after all this work?
[17:03:40] <Wolf_Mill> 4.1"/105mm extended to 145mm
[17:04:46] <PetefromTn_> ok
[17:04:48] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: I don't think he cared. He's probably just glad it works
[17:05:31] <PetefromTn_> well I know there is a lot of monsterifying of smaller mills in an effort to attain more travles....I ALMOST did something similar to my RF45
[17:06:35] <Wolf_Mill> I mostly wanted the extended Y so I could mod it for the ball screw + rear stepper mount
[17:06:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cncfusion.com/images/X2mounts/kit%20buy%20pics/kit4.jpg X2 kit
[17:08:16] <zeeshan> wtf
[17:08:17] <zeeshan> its still monday
[17:08:36] <CaptHindsight> all day
[17:08:51] <PetefromTn_> jeez that kit is dead simple
[17:09:13] <Wolf_Mill> cncfusion wants stupid $$ for their kits
[17:09:50] <PetefromTn_> I mean I am sure they spent time engineering it but its all just tapped blocks LOL
[17:10:55] <Wolf_Mill> I have a working cnc so making my own isnt hard :)
[17:11:40] <PetefromTn_> how much is that kit?
[17:12:21] <Wolf_Mill> $619
[17:12:39] <PetefromTn_> does that include the ballscrews/nuts?
[17:12:43] <Wolf_Mill> yeah
[17:12:43] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cncfusion.com/minimill1.html
[17:13:17] <PetefromTn_> OK well that is actually not terrible I think... even tho it is simple.
[17:13:34] <Wolf_Mill> http://www.cncfusion.com/images/X1mounts/Kit3a.JPG
[17:13:46] <Wolf_Mill> that one is over priced
[17:13:48] <zeeshan> cute bearings
[17:13:56] <Wolf_Mill> $299
[17:14:46] <Deejay> gn8
[17:25:49] <Wolf_Mill> ok, I like where this info ended up, now I know that I can possibly swap in a solid column from a HiTorque mini mill and then just add a head+spindle and have a r8 spindled machine with a better head stock :)
[17:27:28] <PetefromTn_> is it MT3 now?
[17:27:34] <Wolf_Mill> mt2
[17:28:29] <PetefromTn_> oh okay
[17:29:00] <PetefromTn_> because I was going to suggest that you CAN use the Tormach Tooling system with MT3 arbor and it actually would not require the R8 setup
[17:30:00] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/dcXwHOD.jpg shows the adapter plate for the X1 column, outer holes that are the base should line up with the bigger X2/hitorque column
[17:42:12] <Sync> strange looking counterbore
[17:42:35] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, very ugly counter bore
[17:47:32] <Wolf_Mill> I was planning on talking to someone I know that has a basement machine shop and knows wtf they are doing to make a new adapter plate about 1.25" thick but now I might just run what I have for a few months and plan out upgrading the top half of this thing
[17:48:20] <Wolf_Mill> get some cheap smaller steppers and put the x1 back to its current self and sell the POS as a cnc starter kit lol
[17:51:50] <Wolf_Mill> be back in a few, need hardware store run, need some bolts for this mess :)
[18:04:23] <andypugh> Does anyone know if the Chinese MPGs have any coolant resistance? (This style: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361139745591)
[18:06:28] <JT-Shop> I "know" my Mitutoyo digimatic calipers have no coolant resistance
[18:07:00] <JT-Shop> hmm they don't show the back side
[18:08:29] <JT-Shop> I'd assume they are not coolant resistant for 12.82 L's
[18:09:38] <Sync> the silver ones are ip rated
[18:12:45] <JT-Shop> ip67?
[18:13:44] <JT-Shop> you would think they would brag about ip67 if it was indeed the case
[18:15:26] <Sync> yeah they are ip67
[18:15:33] <Sync> and they survive coolant
[18:21:35] <skunkworks> andypugh: We bought a few of them but have not taken them apart
[18:22:08] <andypugh> Yes, I can’t even see how to take them apart
[18:24:05] <Sync> explosives
[18:25:27] <andypugh> I see HEDSS ones that are IP54
[18:25:52] <andypugh> Pity I bought the black one.
[18:26:04] <andypugh> There is a gasket on the back.
[18:28:01] <skunkworks> we bought the silver ones
[18:28:37] <ganzuul> http://littlemachineshop.com/2461
[18:28:43] <ganzuul> This one is built wrong.
[18:29:00] <ganzuul> It's not how dovetails are supposed to work, according to mrpete222.
[18:32:37] <jdh> you can buy piston or wedge ones.
[18:34:49] <ganzuul> Mrpete says dovetails are supposed to pull down, not push up...
[18:37:10] <jdh> don't buy a piston qctp
[18:37:20] <jdh> wtf is mrpete?
[18:39:12] <malcom2073> Fancy name for PetefromTn_?
[18:39:48] <malcom2073> And it's not built "wrong", it's built exactly as intended, it's just poor design
[18:40:18] <jdh> cheaper than wedge.
[18:40:25] <malcom2073> Indeed, better than nothing, worse than best
[18:41:31] <jdh> anyone have one of those cheap chinese nano-scopes?
[18:42:24] <Wolf_Mill> ds203 nano quad?
[18:42:50] <jdh> mine is single channel. wondering htf you get rid of the reference waveform
[18:43:15] <Wolf_Mill> dunno...
[18:43:40] <Wolf_Mill> I bought a real scope, that nano thing pisses me off
[18:43:50] <jdh> it is conveniently sized.
[18:44:08] <Wolf_Mill> thats the only plus
[18:45:02] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/131397076767
[18:45:08] <Tom_itx> andypugh, i suspect the insides are quite similar. mine came with a gasket so it's probably 'resistant'
[18:45:13] <jdh> I want that purple waveform to go away
[18:45:27] <Tom_itx> it was ~$17 iirc
[18:45:30] <Wolf_Mill> my calipers say ip67
[18:45:39] <Wolf_Mill> mic is ip65
[18:45:51] <ganzuul> jdh: This guy: https://www.youtube.com/user/mrpete222/
[18:46:15] <Tom_itx> andypugh, the plastic cover comes off the back on mine
[18:46:36] <jdh> oh. he's got some good videos. dont' really care for him though.
[18:46:39] <Tom_itx> exposing an encoder wheel and other electronic goop
[18:47:18] <andypugh> Does the cover go back on again>
[18:47:36] <Tom_itx> yes but you need to be careful of the detectors
[18:47:46] <malcom2073> Heh, well don't take the cover off in the presence of coolant? :P
[18:47:49] <Tom_itx> i've got a dead one here i took apart
[18:47:58] <malcom2073> Ah, you mean the raw encoder wheel?
[18:47:59] <malcom2073> That's ew
[18:48:46] <Wolf_Mill> malcom2073: http://i.imgur.com/Sbd6BWE.jpg =D
[18:48:57] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Rotary-Manual-Pulse-Generator-Handwheel-100PPR-5VDC-/301581285751?hash=item4637a53977
[18:49:00] <Tom_itx> similar to that one
[18:49:08] <andypugh> ganzuul: These are nicer. But then they cost more: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lathe-40-Position-Professional-Multifix-A1-type-Quick-Change-Tool-Post-Kit-/361153320610?hash=item54166a56a2
[18:49:11] <skunkworks> andypugh: I hooked one up to a mesa encoder counter. spun it as fast as I physically could - worked
[18:49:26] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-MPG-machine-hand-manual-pulse-generator-encoder-RGT600-001-100B-5L-5v-60mm-/161823278146?hash=item25ad6b4442
[18:49:31] <Tom_itx> that's likely the one i got
[18:49:43] <andypugh> You would have to be superhuman to run a 100 pulse MPG at 2Mhz
[18:49:59] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: I'll let you know in a half hour when that image finishes loading what I think :p
[18:50:00] <Tom_itx> wired to a hampster wheel
[18:50:07] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[18:50:34] <malcom2073> andypugh: That's the kind my dad has, it's really nice
[18:50:44] <Wolf_Mill> malcom2073: stop stealing internet from the amish
[18:50:53] <malcom2073> Not like they need it
[18:50:59] <malcom2073> Also: nice collection
[18:51:24] <Sync> I need to get me a full set of quantumikes
[18:54:45] <ganzuul> andypugh: Those look really nice...
[18:55:10] <ganzuul> There's a different design of it out there too.
[18:55:50] <andypugh> Multifix is generally considered to be the most repeatable of the QCTP types.
[18:55:56] <Sync> andypugh: the only problem with the multifix imho is that it is hard to make your own holders for speciality stuff
[18:56:26] <andypugh> Yes, I have looked at that, and I can’t even decide what shape the splines are
[18:56:45] <Sync> you know the cheap trick?
[18:56:55] <andypugh> The other one you mentioned has two bars and a keyway, I think?
[18:57:27] <ganzuul> Can't quite remember. But it's a German design.
[18:58:35] <Sync> you mean the tripans?
[18:58:56] <Sync> andypugh: you can use two pins as a cheap method to go into the multifixes
[18:59:12] <Sync> but you should be able to use a projector and a camera to find out the profile
[18:59:25] <andypugh> No, different from Tripan.
[19:00:51] <andypugh> Drehblitz http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/unusual-looking-qctp-219422/#post1512863
[19:01:23] <ganzuul> andypugh: That's the one!
[19:02:25] <ganzuul> Drehnblitz. It blitzes Drehnenmachinen.
[19:05:55] <andypugh> The apron casting (just holds a ballnut and the X motor) is coming out at 25kg. More work needed, I think. And probably an actual core.
[19:06:26] <Sync> what is a drehnenmaschine ganzuul?
[19:08:21] <ganzuul> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drehmaschine
[19:09:25] <Sync> yes
[19:09:33] <Sync> but not drehenmaschine
[19:10:33] <andypugh> He actually said “Drehnenmachinen” which is different again.
[19:11:29] <Sync> tru
[19:11:48] <ganzuul> ?
[19:11:53] <ganzuul> What's that then?
[19:11:57] <andypugh> Which Google does find…
[19:13:08] <ganzuul> lol
[19:13:15] <ganzuul> joint rolling
[19:14:49] * ganzuul only learns the important German things
[19:16:25] <SpeedEvil> 'don't start two-front land wars in europe?
[19:16:35] <malcom2073> heh
[19:16:39] <furrywolf> grrr. I'm now printing out a sign saying "THIS IS NOT THE ADDRESS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR" and taping it to the abandonned house down the road.
[19:17:06] <Wolf_Mill> lol again furrywolf
[19:17:53] <malcom2073> Haha
[19:17:57] <Wolf_Mill> stuff get left down the street?
[19:18:00] <furrywolf> why the hell does most package clipart have packages wrapped in twine? do you know how many twine-wrapped packages I get?
[19:18:01] <furrywolf> Wolf_: yep
[19:18:29] <malcom2073> furrywolf: The clipart must've been created in the 1940's when they actually still used twine wrapped packages
[19:18:45] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: see also diks
[19:18:49] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: discs
[19:19:00] <Wolf_Mill> now they just use 50 feet of packing tape...
[19:19:15] <SpeedEvil> Wolf_Mill: Not always.
[19:19:26] <SpeedEvil> Wolf_Mill: I once got 3*54mm*1.8m glass tubes delivered.
[19:19:38] <fenn> an envelope in an envelope in a padded envelope in a tyvek envelope in a box in a box
[19:19:42] <SpeedEvil> Wolf_Mill: With the entire packaging being three layers of bubble-wrap
[19:20:05] <SpeedEvil> Wolf_Mill: I had to returrn them for a refund - when I did they fit inside a 30cm square box
[19:20:18] <Wolf_Mill> lol doh
[19:22:01] <Wolf_Mill> the mic/di/calipers I got had about 9 feet of bubble wrap around them
[19:23:33] <furrywolf> fuck it. I'm going to have to edit an actual photo.
[19:55:23] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/nopackagessymbol.png yeah, the quality is crap, but when printed on my low-res black and white laser printer, it'll be fine. :P
[19:56:41] <Contract_Pilot> Lots of cleaning but the sherline mill is starting to look like a nice machine USPS deliverd 3 new 166oz steppers today. http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Spectralight-LightMachines-Sherline-New-Steppers-225x300.jpg
[19:57:47] <Wolf_Mill> 166, so big...
[19:58:11] <Wolf_Mill> :)
[19:58:14] <os1r1s> Contract_Pilot: I have a small mill and lathe. So I'm pretty familiar with that machine. FWIW
[19:58:54] <Contract_Pilot> I got the pair a lathe and a mill last week for next to nothing. whay not play with them.
[19:59:21] <andypugh> Craziest over-packing I have had so far: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/YSCEvygVuR9H-tVQnXsjrtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[19:59:27] <Contract_Pilot> I think the factory round ones were 80 or 100oz
[20:00:03] <Wolf_Mill> I put 425ozin on my x1...
[20:00:12] <andypugh> (The things that came in the box are on top of the box)
[20:00:42] <Wolf_Mill> haha really? are those set screws?
[20:00:53] <renesis> took me awhile to find them
[20:00:58] <os1r1s> Contract_Pilot: I have the exact same 166 oz/in from auto direct on mine
[20:01:08] <os1r1s> They are well matched to the sherline and taig size machines
[20:01:14] <andypugh> surface-mount ICs
[20:01:31] <Wolf_Mill> ah lol
[20:01:38] <Contract_Pilot> Cool.
[20:02:08] <furrywolf> I put 900ozin on my shoptask... :P
[20:02:27] <os1r1s> Contract_Pilot: What stepper drivers are you using?
[20:02:31] <Wolf_Mill> mine so far was this http://i.imgur.com/hZxwxlP.jpg thread gauge from amazon.. in a box, with air pack
[20:03:18] <jdh> I got 2 o-rings from amazon packed like that
[20:03:46] <Contract_Pilot> Not sure on that machine.
[20:04:47] <Contract_Pilot> os1r1s, the 2 machines were just a right place cheap enough 150.00 had to take them buy!
[20:05:16] <os1r1s> Hard to beat for that price
[20:06:28] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, will make it a dedicated 1911 and AR15 machine!
[20:07:15] <Contract_Pilot> Some guy at the gun show tried to sell me his ghoast gunner hahaha wanted 1,300
[20:07:35] <os1r1s> I have a spare STDR-4C for sale if you need something to drive it.
[20:08:33] <os1r1s> This one ... http://www.soigeneris.com/stdr_4c-details.aspx
[20:09:53] <Contract_Pilot> Not sure what i am going to use to drive it.
[20:10:21] <Contract_Pilot> Do not want to spend a lot on it as i still am working on my 12X36 Lathe and G0704 Mill.
[20:10:52] <Contract_Pilot> But would be nice to have somthing going.
[20:11:22] <os1r1s> Contract_Pilot: It has a G540 in in it, so would work with all those machines.
[20:12:08] <PetefromTn_> http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/tls/5190312561.html Ooh purty
[20:12:51] <Contract_Pilot> I have 7 DM8010 Drivers on the shelf and 2 already on the lathe. http://www.microkinetics.com/pdfmanuals/DM8010.pdf not sure i want to use them on the small machines.
[20:13:14] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/nopackageshere.pdf if anyone else needs a sign.
[20:14:09] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: That is pretty
[20:14:25] <Contract_Pilot> Here is my Dream Barter hahaha i know wishfull thinking. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bar/5217472426.html
[20:15:25] <os1r1s> Contract_Pilot: Those are tiny planes
[20:16:07] <Contract_Pilot> But capable i did ferry a 150 texas to Brazil couple yeas back.
[20:18:55] <Contract_Pilot> Thinking of using a servo on the sherline for a spindle motor.
[20:18:56] <PetefromTn_> better not let SSI see that LOL
[20:19:30] <os1r1s> Contract_Pilot: The sherline motor works very well with VFD control
[20:20:04] <Contract_Pilot> who is SSI
[20:20:35] <PetefromTn_> Oh just our resident airplane junkie
[20:20:41] <Contract_Pilot> hahaha
[20:21:12] <jdh> and laser afficianado
[20:22:09] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/?p=537
[20:22:22] <Contract_Pilot> What i do for my main living
[20:23:37] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/?p=550
[20:23:58] <PetefromTn_> jeez man that is a LOOONG way in a small plane
[20:24:27] <Contract_Pilot> Yea,
[20:24:55] <Contract_Pilot> My never again trip Cessna 172SP Kansas to Hawaii...
[20:25:23] <Contract_Pilot> CA to Hawaii was about 25hours non stop.
[20:25:29] <os1r1s> Contract_Pilot: I'd love a Sirrus SR20. I was close to getting a Cessna 172 a few years ago
[20:25:42] <PetefromTn_> its quite a ways to Hawaii we flew it quite a few times in USCGC C130's
[20:26:27] <Contract_Pilot> In the 172 was 50% over gross on take off took hour to get to FL080
[20:26:34] <Contract_Pilot> hours.
[20:27:07] <Contract_Pilot> The Cirrus we are 30% over gross and can get the FL120 in about 20min
[20:27:14] * furrywolf always thought you weren't supposed to take off above the maximum takeoff weight... :P
[20:27:37] <PetefromTn_> sounds like you are rolling the dice pretty hard heh
[20:27:55] <Contract_Pilot> Special Flight Permit.
[20:28:31] <furrywolf> you should come fly the cargo planes we use. you get 13 bucks an hour, an unreliable beater ford focus to drive, a dirty hotel, and a split shift where you sleep 4 hours at night and 4 hours in the middle of the day. :P
[20:28:31] <SpeedEvil> does max takeoff imply ability to takeoff at high airports in undense air?
[20:29:31] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I got a job here I need a lathe for.....but I am STILL LATHELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:29:37] <furrywolf> is that nylon braided hose rated for fuel?
[20:29:44] <PetefromTn_> AAAAAAHHHHHHHhhhhhh
[20:31:08] <Contract_Pilot> That is vent line.
[20:31:30] <SpeedEvil> Can anyone think of keywords I should be using to find a formulae for defletection of a small circular patch loaded with a constant pressure on the edge of an infinite block?
[20:31:45] <furrywolf> is it rated for fuel vapor? :)
[20:31:47] <PetefromTn_> http://louisville.craigslist.org/tls/5232589912.html this looks like a decent deal
[20:32:10] <Contract_Pilot> On the cirrus that install was not my tank install it was done by another company.
[20:32:22] <PetefromTn_> SpeedEvil xanadu?
[20:32:40] * furrywolf has seen people attempt to use that clear braided hose for fuel, and it works for a week or two... :P
[20:32:58] <PetefromTn_> hasenpfeffer?
[20:33:29] <PetefromTn_> I know.....fizgig!!
[20:33:37] <Contract_Pilot> I stopped using that tanking company because of leaks and poor material.
[20:33:45] <furrywolf> lol
[20:33:49] <Contract_Pilot> they tanked this plane! http://www.flyingmag.com/technique/accidents/cirrus-sr22-pilot-releases-selfie-video-ditching
[20:33:59] <furrywolf> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/100_2141.jpg that stuff
[20:34:04] <Contract_Pilot> Glad i stopped using them when i did.
[20:34:58] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, that is not rated for fuel hahaha...
[20:35:07] <t12> uhoh using the lathe to make replacement parts for itself
[20:35:09] <t12> the rabbit hole
[20:35:35] <furrywolf> t12: I used my oscilloscope to troubleshoot itself.
[20:36:08] <PetefromTn_> isn't that one of the best parts of having a lathe?
[20:36:25] <t12> bent coupler from gearbox to lead screw
[20:36:35] <t12> from factory i think
[20:37:50] <furrywolf> either this glue is evaporating a lot more solvents than it smells like, or it's curing endothermically... both are odd.
[20:40:33] <Contract_Pilot> our plumbing.. http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Tanks-Back.jpg
[20:42:29] <furrywolf> I'll load that as soon as the flyingmag link loads... it has a video, so it might be another 15 minutes. heh.
[20:42:46] <Contract_Pilot> Special Flight Permit. http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/IMG_1905-1024x768.jpg
[20:43:11] <renesis> why is that okay!
[20:43:19] <furrywolf> first time I've seen a video of a cirrus parachute deploying
[20:43:22] <renesis> dont they mean it when they spec max weight on those things?
[20:44:41] <furrywolf> those planes sure flip quickly if you ditch. ouch.
[20:44:46] <furrywolf> or did the chute pull it over?
[20:48:59] <SpeedEvil> Small planes are really quite survivable.
[20:49:05] <SpeedEvil> Large ones - not so much.
[20:49:09] <SpeedEvil> (on ditching)
[20:49:32] <Contract_Pilot> 172 with loaded 124 Gallons of fuel 30% over weight and at the CG Limits http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/100_0195-1024x768.jpg
[20:50:01] <PetefromTn_> really? seems like every time you hear a small plane went down everyone died....
[20:50:11] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: >90% survive
[20:50:21] <SpeedEvil> The others don't get widely reported
[20:50:26] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, most survive.
[20:50:36] <PetefromTn_> where did you get that number?
[20:50:41] <Contract_Pilot> Just think if they reported every auto accident.
[20:51:38] <os1r1s> Contract_Pilot: What's the best low cost plane (used) for a family of 4 these days?
[20:51:39] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/100_0037-768x1024.jpg
[20:51:57] <Contract_Pilot> Cessna 172
[20:51:58] <furrywolf> best is a very subjective term
[20:52:08] <os1r1s> Contract_Pilot: What age range woudl you look at?
[20:52:24] <Contract_Pilot> Nothing over 10years old.
[20:52:47] <os1r1s> Any particular rationale for that?
[20:53:01] <SpeedEvil> ah
[20:53:07] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: http://www.equipped.org/ditchingmyths.htm
[20:53:18] <furrywolf> obviously the best is a harrier jumpjet.
[20:53:22] <Contract_Pilot> Shy away for them good deal cirrus unless you feel like getting the CAPS repacked and rocket replaced!
[20:53:50] <Contract_Pilot> Or Diamond DA-42
[20:53:58] <Contract_Pilot> if you have your multi engine.
[20:54:00] <os1r1s> Contract_Pilot: My friend had a Grumman Cheetah that was fun
[20:54:09] <Contract_Pilot> AA5's are nice.
[20:54:32] <Contract_Pilot> Just expensive
[20:54:59] * furrywolf can't afford to fly
[20:55:14] <Contract_Pilot> DA42 will sip 3.4 gallons per hour per engine and cruise at 160kts
[20:55:31] <Contract_Pilot> DA42 Diesel
[20:56:02] <Contract_Pilot> My 150 burns 5gph at 100kts
[20:56:02] <os1r1s> <10 yrs gets pricey
[20:56:12] <Contract_Pilot> Maintiance costs.
[20:56:17] <Contract_Pilot> Avionics
[20:56:33] <furrywolf> even a piece of crap is well outside my budget, both to buy and maintain.
[20:56:59] <Contract_Pilot> I have spent thousands on my 150 and never fly it.
[20:57:47] <Contract_Pilot> Fiberglass Fairings and wingtips, Digital Tach, have Fuel tanks overhauld, skylights installed, etc.
[20:58:18] <furrywolf> plant money trees all around your hangar...
[20:58:34] <Contract_Pilot> She is tied down outside.
[20:58:51] <PetefromTn_> I've come to the realization that while I fancy myself getting a pilot's license and flying around here and there and everywhere....it is just NOT gonna happen and with the luck I have with simple cars I have NO business buying and maintaining my own plane hehe
[20:59:07] <Contract_Pilot> hangers here are the price of a small apartment a month and a tie down space is 50.00 a month
[20:59:46] <jdh> it isn't really a cost effective hobby
[21:00:08] <PetefromTn_> and realistically that is what it is unless you are a commercial pilot
[21:00:14] <Contract_Pilot> there are only 43 things you are allowed to do to your plane all other stuff has to be done my a certified mechanic. unless it is experimental home built.
[21:00:47] * SpeedEvil ponders what #34 is.
[21:00:54] <Contract_Pilot> I hold Commercial Pilot Certificate, Single And Multi Engine Airplanes with an Instrument Rating.
[21:00:55] <jdh> wax it
[21:00:57] <PetefromTn_> and that's 43 MORE than I should be doing on a plane that mere mortals will be flying in ;)
[21:01:04] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: joining the mile high club, on video.
[21:01:30] <furrywolf> planes are way, way, way too expensive for me to ever expect I'll fly one.
[21:02:05] <Sync> I only fly gliders, fun enough and cheap
[21:02:09] <PetefromTn_> we as humans just really need to cut the crap and get down to the business of inventing the transporter so we don't have to worry about all this plane stuff anymore
[21:02:45] <furrywolf> I think I own a transporter.
[21:02:49] <furrywolf> I put stuff places, then no matter how much I look for it, it's somewhere else!
[21:02:51] <os1r1s> Contract_Pilot: I started with lessons and never finished. I decided a Porsche was more practical
[21:02:52] <renesis> no
[21:03:03] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, got hit my lightning one year corrupted the OZ on the G1000 http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-admin/upload.php?item=1210
[21:03:04] <renesis> thats just because youre a pothead
[21:03:08] <os1r1s> Contract_Pilot: But I'd still like to get back to it
[21:03:29] <Contract_Pilot> Your hours are still valid
[21:03:38] <Contract_Pilot> that is if you have your logbook
[21:03:53] <renesis> they dont expire?
[21:04:05] <Contract_Pilot> Nope.
[21:04:19] <os1r1s> I do, but I had few hours
[21:04:38] <Contract_Pilot> you could have logged time as a student 20years ago and them hours count tward your time to get the certificate
[21:05:15] <Contract_Pilot> FAA requires 40 hours most do it in 60-70
[21:05:32] <Contract_Pilot> for the Private Certificate.
[21:05:55] <Sync> yeah it is suprisingly simple
[21:06:04] <Contract_Pilot> I got my private in 58 hours
[21:06:35] <furrywolf> I figure owning a plane and getting a license is several years' income, and the maintenance and costs of actually flying it about a year's income per year... in other words, not a chance in hell of being able to afford it.
[21:08:12] <PetefromTn_> LOL I just got off the phone with Paul walker...
[21:08:33] <PetefromTn_> he ordered one of my rails ;)
[21:08:53] <jdh> how do people find out about them?
[21:09:00] <furrywolf> paul walker?
[21:09:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah man PAUL WALKER!!
[21:09:17] * furrywolf doesn't recognize the name
[21:09:18] <Contract_Pilot> They ordering form beyond?
[21:09:18] <PetefromTn_> jdh I have NO IDEA
[21:09:54] <PetefromTn_> actually I sell them on ebay and I get a lot of interest on my facebook page due to my airgun competition affiliations
[21:10:01] <furrywolf> only paul walker googling finds is a dead actor
[21:10:05] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf you really do live under a rock man
[21:10:47] <Wolf_Mill> tuna, no crust
[21:11:04] <PetefromTn_> heh
[21:11:15] <PetefromTn_> pop the hood
[21:11:41] * furrywolf waits for pete to say who paul walker is
[21:11:42] <PetefromTn_> no actually it was an older fellow whos name is Paul Walker I just thought it was funy
[21:11:54] <os1r1s> Contract_Pilot: How many flight hours do you have?
[21:12:24] <furrywolf> I can't find ANY other paul walkers. even paul walker cnc still finds the same dead actor. apparantly none of the other paul walkers are noteworthy enough to appear in the first few pages of google results...
[21:12:25] <Contract_Pilot> About 3,000ish lost count
[21:12:40] <Sync> Contract_Pilot: I started my heli license, I'd have to get back on it to actually get enough hours
[21:12:43] <Sync> :/
[21:15:05] <PetefromTn_> I need to run down to wally world and get another hot plate for my color bath
[21:15:32] * furrywolf decides paul walker must be someone known for something only pete cares about
[21:18:33] <furrywolf> bah. got an email back from the guy with the lathes. absolutely will not trade.
[21:19:15] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/wan/5225268017.html what would you figure one of those is worth?
[21:21:29] <PetefromTn_> I think Paul Walker would want one!
[21:23:44] <SpeedEvil> I guess that depends what 'worn' means.
[21:25:58] <furrywolf> ARGH! I HATE CHINA! I ordered an LED headlamp off ebay. it has three cree XM-L emitters, which put out a lot of heat. they're just rattling around loose dangling on wires.
[21:26:29] <renesis> furrywolf: shock absorption!
[21:26:35] <Contract_Pilot> Need to stop playing with linux and finish the wiring on my lathe.
[21:26:56] <Contract_Pilot> unpack form the gun show,
[21:27:10] <Contract_Pilot> ahhhh i am just overwhelmed.
[21:28:10] <Contract_Pilot> Or take one of these 80V 5a supplies and 3 Drivers and start on the small machines
[21:28:15] <voglster> just built my first cnc (mostly printed cnc off thingiverse...) it moved for the first time today... anyone have suggestions on software? specifically taking something from inkscape and turning it into gcode
[21:28:21] <voglster> hopefully something no too involved
[21:28:41] <furrywolf> GRRRRR. and of the 3, only 1 lights.
[21:32:11] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: you have the worst luck. I don't think I've actually gotten anything much faulty
[21:32:35] <trentster> Nice - the new release of Fusion 360 can now do load and force simulations :-)
[21:33:52] <furrywolf> is this the same new version that you own, not rent, runs on linux, and doesn't require an internet connection?
[21:34:55] <Contract_Pilot> Wish these AFCO Tubular Control Arms would sell..
[21:42:22] <furrywolf> grrrr. I HATE CHINA. the " Internal wiring applies the high efficient booster circuit, working voltage is wide and can utilize the batteries in the largest extent" consists of four resistors.
[21:43:51] <renesis> i think you should stop buying chinastuff its not good for you
[21:44:06] <furrywolf> how the hell can any group of people be such utter fucking scumbags as to blatantly misadvertise every single product?
[21:44:24] <renesis> they prob got kids
[21:47:00] <furrywolf> ... so?
[21:47:22] <furrywolf> so they can teach their kids to lie, cheat, and steal?
[21:51:01] <roycroft> we taught the chinese how to do that
[21:51:35] <roycroft> the only difference is that it's easier for them to get away with it because you can't just drive to china and punch them in the nose
[21:52:42] * roycroft thinks furrywolf would have had a difficult time living in 19th century america
[21:53:35] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/chineseheadlampwiring01.jpg check out the "high efficiency booster circuit". yes, that's all of it. it's a single-sided pcb.
[21:53:36] * PetefromTn_ just thinks furrywolf likes to complain, bitch and moan about whatever ;)
[21:55:01] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: depending on stuff, that could be a high efficiency booster circuit
[21:55:05] <furrywolf> how's your chinese power supply working pete? :P
[21:55:12] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: it's not.
[21:55:21] <furrywolf> it's a simple resistor current limited.
[21:55:25] <SpeedEvil> you've got a micro, and a couple of power FETs - possibly
[21:55:29] <PetefromTn_> what chinese power supply?
[21:55:31] <SpeedEvil> Or that alas
[21:55:52] * roycroft hands petefromtn_ today's "master of the obvious" award
[21:55:57] <furrywolf> the one that doesn't have working meters and overheats at half power. that one. :P
[21:56:03] <PetefromTn_> yeah I got an award
[21:56:19] <PetefromTn_> I win the internet today!!
[21:56:36] <PetefromTn_> actually it is still working and anodizing my parts for me
[21:56:42] <PetefromTn_> why do you ask?
[21:57:47] <furrywolf> lol
[21:58:19] <furrywolf> you're complaining at me complaining about crap quality products, while you yourself have received them too.
[21:58:41] <PetefromTn_> where did I complain?
[21:59:03] <furrywolf> � PetefromTn_/#linuxcnc just thinks furrywolf likes to complain, bitch and moan about whatever ;)
[21:59:18] <PetefromTn_> that is not a complaint...it is a statement of FACT!!
[22:00:22] <furrywolf> grrrrrrrr. I soldered the broken wire... and now instead of 1 of the 3 LEDs lighting, 2 of the 3 LEDs work.
[22:07:35] <furrywolf> ... and this one is undeniably defective. it has never worked. the broken wire could theoretically have occoured during shipping, rather than when they put it together... but this one never worked. ever.
[22:07:49] <trentster> Hi all - if I have a relay on a breakout board that has a relay that says 30V DC - it would be useless for me to use it to control a spindle PSU that is 48V - correct? (obviousy). What could I use as an alternative to ensure that I can still control spindle etc - add in additional external relays?
[22:08:30] <SpeedEvil> trentster: In principle, yes.
[22:08:34] <SpeedEvil> Or swap out teh relay
[22:08:50] <SpeedEvil> And it may last for a few or even many cycles.
[22:09:08] <SpeedEvil> But lots less than rated.
[22:09:30] <Contract_Pilot> I have 3 of these Power Supplies. http://www.microkinetics.com/index.php?page=power_supplies/pwr7205
[22:09:38] <trentster> I have a couple of these but not exactly sure how they should be wired up with the breakout board? http://www.homanndesigns.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=27&products_id=88
[22:10:33] <PetefromTn_> just switch the switch
[22:11:48] <Contract_Pilot> Anyone use one of these with LCNC? http://www.sainsmart.com/sainsmart-2-in-1-3d-printer-controller-board-for-reprap-arduino-betterthan-ramps.html
[22:12:05] <Contract_Pilot> thinking on the cheap for the small machines.
[22:13:00] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-45-degree-indexable-face-shell-mill-w-CAT40-Arbor-face-milling-cutter-new-/181157115983?hash=item2a2dce384f does anyone have a facemill like this?
[22:24:26] <furrywolf> the unheatsunk LEDs got so hot that one of them started smoking.
[22:24:39] <furrywolf> this light is worthless. it has no usable or reusable properties.
[22:26:12] <trentster> SpeedEvil: PetefromTn_ thanks
[22:26:30] <trentster> PetefromTn_: what you mean just "switch the switch" ?
[22:27:48] <furrywolf> even if I replaced the defective emitter, it would still be a useless light.
[22:31:48] <furrywolf> suggestions for a MADE IN USA led headlamp? 18650 powered, at least a cree XM-L, wide beam, not spot.
[22:32:24] <Wolf_Mill> something from battryjunction
[22:32:51] <furrywolf> I'm sick of every single chinese-made item I purchase being worthless garbage.
[22:33:30] <furrywolf> I don't need ultra-rugged, tactical, diving, or anything else expensive. just something for light while crawling in a stupidly tight crawlspace.
[22:33:42] <Wolf_Mill> http://www.batteryjunction.com/flashlight-head.html
[22:34:11] <trentster> furrywolf: its a hit and miss affair 50% of the time you will get crap - the incentive is low price or else you would buy in the US - no?
[22:34:28] <furrywolf> trentster: it's a lot worse than 50%.
[22:34:30] <furrywolf> a whole lot worse.
[22:35:12] <trentster> furrywolf: heh - its 50% if you are careful like buy from semi decent sites and read reviews of other people who have bought same item from the same site
[22:37:22] <Wolf_Mill> http://www.batteryjunction.com/jetbeam-hr25-xml2.html looks like it for lower cost quality brand
[22:37:38] <furrywolf> should I even bother trying to get my money back on this headlamp, or just throw it out and leave negative feedback?
[22:38:09] <renesis> how much did it cost
[22:38:48] <trentster> furrywolf: did you buy it from ebay or from a Chinese site like bangood
[22:39:24] <furrywolf> ebay
[22:39:25] <furrywolf> $16
[22:39:41] <furrywolf> because I need is RIGHT FUCKING NOW, not a 1-4 months later.
[22:39:48] <furrywolf> specifically, I need it wednesday.
[22:40:15] <trentster> well then you are SOL even if they send you another one its too late
[22:40:28] <trentster> but you may as well tell them its broken and get them to send another.
[22:40:41] <trentster> at leats then you will have a working unit in 3 weeks or so
[22:40:46] <furrywolf> I haven't successfully gotten a refund in a long time.
[22:41:12] <furrywolf> the current trend is claiming I need to send the item back to them at my expense.
[22:41:13] <renesis> you have paypal now?
[22:41:16] <furrywolf> no
[22:41:38] <renesis> you can dispute through ebay?
[22:41:53] <furrywolf> no
[22:42:13] <renesis> how do you ebay?
[22:42:21] <renesis> for $16 just throw in parts bin and move on?
[22:43:22] <furrywolf> I don't know if it has any useful parts.
[22:44:31] <furrywolf> every single part in it is poorly designed, counterfeit, or otherwise useless.
[22:45:47] <furrywolf> I think even the emitters are fake. they look like crees, but.... not quite.
[22:45:52] <furrywolf> and one is defective.
[22:46:31] <furrywolf> the other cree xm-ls I have have larger clear domes, while these are smaller opaque yellow domes.
[22:46:33] <Wolf_Mill> I use my flashlights so often that I dont go cheap on them, usually stick with nightcore, fenix for my own, jetbeam isnt bad
[22:47:17] <furrywolf> only big name brand light I own is a surefire, and it's no better than chinese lights.
[22:47:29] <Wolf_Mill> $urefire
[22:47:35] <renesis> isnt surefire chinese?
[22:47:48] <renesis> maybe that is trustfire
[22:47:59] <Wolf_Mill> trustfire = china junk
[22:48:09] <renesis> i got some single emitter cree from costco forever ago, still works
[22:48:20] <furrywolf> surefire is the original. ultrafire, trustfire, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc (seriously!) are all chinese.
[22:48:21] <Wolf_Mill> surefire usa tactatical lights
[22:48:27] <renesis> trust fire name is like a scarier version of mean well
[22:48:45] <furrywolf> trustfire is actually the best of the chinese *fire lights. most of their products actually work.
[22:49:06] <renesis> my 18650 charger has worked over a year
[22:49:15] <renesis> damn almost two years ago
[22:51:32] <furrywolf> also, if you ever need to know, panasonic proudly claims their laptops are made in japan with japanese components, not chinese crap. :)
[22:52:52] <trentster> thats why they cost 2-3x more than everything else ;-)
[22:53:38] <furrywolf> the look on the mailman's face when he saw me washing a laptop with a garden hose was worth it. :P
[22:53:49] <Wolf_Mill> haha
[22:54:22] <furrywolf> I was de-griming one of my toughbooks with a scrub brush and the garden hose, and he walked up to deliver a package... he kinda stopped, stared for a few seconds... "umm, are you sure that's a good idea?"
[22:54:32] <furrywolf> I turned it on and showed him it running, while soaking wet.
[22:56:29] <trentster> haha
[22:56:59] <trentster> Wonder if he went home and tried the same thing on his laptop
[22:57:03] <trentster> :P
[22:57:57] <Contract_Pilot> Q of the drivers?
[22:57:58] <furrywolf> I doubt it. :P
[22:58:20] <Contract_Pilot> My drivers manual say unregulated power supply.
[22:58:50] <furrywolf> ok
[23:00:12] * furrywolf waits for a question
[23:00:12] <Contract_Pilot> A 24 ~ 80 Vdc linear power supply should be connected to the +VDC and
[23:00:12] <Contract_Pilot> screw terminals
[23:00:12] <Contract_Pilot> of J1. The supply should be a dc linear type (consisting of a transformer, bridge, and a large
[23:00:12] <Contract_Pilot> filter cap). Regulated and switching power supplies should be avoided. When selecting an
[23:00:12] <Contract_Pilot> unregulated power supply, make sure the output voltage under no load does not exceed
[23:00:12] <Contract_Pilot> 80VDC
[23:00:39] <Contract_Pilot> Wonder why regulatged should be avoided?
[23:01:05] <furrywolf> they sometimes don't like the surge the motors dump back into the power supply when braking.
[23:01:13] <furrywolf> and they don't supply peak loads as well
[23:01:22] <furrywolf> and they're prone to noise or weird interactions, sometimes.
[23:01:34] <Contract_Pilot> These 72V 5A supplies i have are tanks!
[23:02:02] <furrywolf> only 5A? :P
[23:02:08] <furrywolf> I'm running 15A on my shoptask...
[23:02:25] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, only 5 A but i have 3 of them
[23:02:43] <furrywolf> I currently have a 54V supply, going to rebuild it with a 70V one for a bit faster rapids.
[23:03:23] <Contract_Pilot> I think 72V will be overkill on these little sherline machines
[23:03:30] <furrywolf> yes. :)
[23:03:55] <Contract_Pilot> 36V or 48V
[23:04:49] <furrywolf> http://www.brightguy.com/ZebraLight/ZebraLight+H600Fw+Mk+II+Flood+Headlamp
[23:05:07] <furrywolf> hrmm, wtf, that says china.
[23:05:13] <furrywolf> but the cool white version says made in usa
[23:05:17] <furrywolf> probably both china.
[23:06:05] <Contract_Pilot> Assembled In USA
[23:06:09] <Contract_Pilot> hahaha
[23:06:53] <furrywolf> maybe I should go into the flashlight business.
[23:07:25] <trentster> Contract_Pilot: yeah they tighten a screw in the USA and then technically get to say " assembled in the USA"
[23:07:25] <Contract_Pilot> linear power supplys are expensive.
[23:07:44] <furrywolf> linear is the wrong word. linear is a type of regulated.
[23:07:47] <furrywolf> you want unregulated.
[23:07:52] <furrywolf> I'd suggest building your own.
[23:08:23] <furrywolf> it's just a transformer, a bridge, and a capacitor. add a fuse if you want to be fancy.
[23:08:24] <trentster> furrywolf: is building your own cost effective and easyish?
[23:08:29] <furrywolf> yes
[23:08:52] <furrywolf> buy a toroidal transformer for $40, a bridge for $3, and a capacitor for $10.
[23:09:03] <trentster> How do you work out how many copper windings to use?
[23:09:27] <trentster> oh you buy the toroidal - I was thinking you meant make your own
[23:09:33] <furrywolf> you buy a transformer, not a core. :P
[23:09:58] <PetefromTn_> when I built my RF45 it used a toroidal power supply. I just bought a nice antek and was done with it. cheap enough
[23:10:26] <PetefromTn_> it also came wired for 12v and 5v outputs
[23:10:49] <PetefromTn_> I think it was like $75.00 or something like that
[23:11:36] <furrywolf> hrmm, my internet connection has suddenly gone to shit.
[23:11:42] <trentster> yeah I guess when you need 80V it becomes expensive
[23:11:51] <PetefromTn_> mine was 80v
[23:12:45] <PetefromTn_> or was it 70?
[23:13:03] <furrywolf> how many amps do you need?
[23:13:05] <PetefromTn_> It ran my Gecko's G320's for open loop servos
[23:13:26] <furrywolf> I used 75V caps and zeners, so I'm going to use 70V, even though my drives are rated for 80V... and a few volts margin of error probably isn't a bad idea.
[23:14:27] <Contract_Pilot> these are the 3 supplies i have. http://www.microkinetics.com/index.php?page=power_supplies/pwr7205
[23:14:47] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tortran-inc-300va-toroidal-transformer-td300-124-28-volts-60hz-dn12120-/201396943016 300VA, 28V AC, so about 38V DC. how's that sound?
[23:15:10] <PetefromTn_> man I think the folks at netflix must have special NInja's that are masters at finding every possible shit D grade movie ever made and putting in their list hehe
[23:15:57] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/driverack-inside.jpg
[23:16:24] <Jymmmm> PetefromTn_: That's actually a movie "Trending Now" on Netflix
[23:16:33] <furrywolf> Contract_Pilot: look at the block diagram that power supply shows. that's exactly how much work it is to build one. :P
[23:16:47] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah I love the trending now category....what a joke
[23:17:16] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, just trying to not put a lot of money in these machines.
[23:17:16] <Jymmmm> PetefromTn_: What kind of movie you wanting to watch? You ok with subtitles?
[23:17:21] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/KBPC5010-1000-Volt-Bridge-Rectifier-50-Amp-50A-Metal-Case-1000V-Diode-Bridge-MA-/252098896027 then you need one of those...
[23:17:48] <PetefromTn_> hell I dunno just something decent and recent I guess
[23:18:30] <Jymmmm> PetefromTn_: Well, you fucked up on both coutns there =)
[23:19:03] <PetefromTn_> I have watched every single last Star trek episode through several times over now so I have to switch to something else so I can START to forget what happens in them so I can watch them again at some point LOL
[23:19:12] <Jymmmm> PetefromTn_: "Narcos" is good
[23:19:14] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sprague-32DX6835-58000uF-10-75-60VDC-Compulytic-capacitor-/150120687611 and one of those. (shop around, you can find one cheaper)
[23:19:37] <PetefromTn_> Narco's huh never heard of it
[23:19:57] <Jymmmm> PetefromTn_: http://www.netflix.com/title/80025172
[23:20:40] <Contract_Pilot> I think ill use this 72V i have here right now hahaha
[23:20:41] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: "Orange is the new black"
[23:21:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah I don't like any sort of prison movie or show
[23:21:10] <Contract_Pilot> 3 of them drivers in the photo and 1 PS and a 7I measa.
[23:21:30] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: http://www.netflix.com/title/80016407
[23:21:35] <PetefromTn_> Its depressing
[23:21:48] <furrywolf> I got a big transformer for the new version of my supply... don't have it handy, but I think it's 850VA.
[23:22:02] <PetefromTn_> are these all netflix movies?
[23:22:04] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Watch one episode
[23:22:08] <furrywolf> it's a big heavy lump. :)
[23:22:51] <PetefromTn_> so nobody here has one of those facemills I posted? I wanted to know if they are worth a damn or not ;)
[23:23:43] <PetefromTn_> I have never used one of those that has the flat non screw hole type inserts
[23:23:52] <PetefromTn_> it seems to have shims and lock down screws
[23:24:50] <furrywolf> I've never used a mill with inserts. they always seem to cost a lot, and come in sizes larger than my cnc machines can use.
[23:25:05] <PetefromTn_> the one thing I do like about it is the fact that it has larger screws locking down the inserts.
[23:25:42] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: http://www.netflix.com/title/80017264
[23:25:42] <PetefromTn_> I have always been used to the screw hole type of inserts that you have those tiny maddening torx screws in
[23:26:29] <PetefromTn_> he isn't that the guy from the scorpion king movies?
[23:26:57] <PetefromTn_> I have busted/stripped several of those tiny screws and it is a BITCH to get them out.
[23:27:06] <PetefromTn_> let alone find a replacement
[23:27:41] <PetefromTn_> but the good part is those inserts are usually well designed and have chip breaker face profiles etc.
[23:27:45] <PetefromTn_> unlike this one
[23:27:59] <Contract_Pilot> Caps on these supplies are 10000 microfarad 100 volts
[23:28:28] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-45-degree-indexable-face-shell-mill-w-CAT40-Arbor-face-milling-cutter-new-/181157115983?hash=item2a2dce384f
[23:28:37] <Contract_Pilot> United Chemi-Con 36DA
[23:28:58] <PetefromTn_> hard to beat it when it comes with a Cat40 arbor for that price tho.
[23:29:04] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Good show http://www.netflix.com/title/80017537
[23:29:20] <Contract_Pilot> Not sure what the transformers are there are no markings
[23:29:23] <PetefromTn_> if it winds up sucking at least I will have another arbor available and the other ones I have here are only 3/4
[23:29:51] <PetefromTn_> Holy crap Jane Fonda LOL
[23:30:52] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:31:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah me too...
[23:31:05] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: GREAT movie http://www.netflix.com/title/7880857
[23:31:07] <PetefromTn_> goodnight folks
[23:31:24] <PetefromTn_> actually that one IS a great movie
[23:31:30] <PetefromTn_> I like that guy
[23:32:11] <PetefromTn_> they also have the crow and the crow 2 city of angels...I liked the first one. Pretty violent tho hehe
[23:32:49] <PetefromTn_> I have watched several series on netflix too
[23:33:10] <PetefromTn_> Daredevil is pretty good, as is Arrow and Blue Bloods
[23:34:01] <PetefromTn_> Well Gn8
[23:34:03] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: HEllboy
[23:34:13] <PetefromTn_> yup another good one...
[23:34:36] <trentster> Jymmm: have you seen true detective season 2?
[23:34:53] <Jymmm> trentster: Nope, nor S1
[23:35:11] <trentster> it comes highly recommended - worth checking out.
[23:35:53] <Jymmm> trentster: Ah, it's DVD ONLY atm
[23:36:37] <Jymmm> trentster: Shut off DVD before moving
[23:37:39] <trentster> Jymmm: oh well
[23:38:01] <trentster> the only thing I do with dvd's these days is take the drives apart
[23:38:06] <Jymmm> trentster: No worries, not like I don't have enough arund hee to do anyway =)
[23:39:01] <trentster> Jymmm: if you like the professional you will probably like my all time favourite movie "HEAT" altho you must have seen it already :-)
[23:39:47] <Jymmm> trentster: not coming up on NF
[23:41:01] <trentster> Jymmm: thats odd its a classic and pretty old movie
[23:41:23] <trentster> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113277/
[23:41:25] <Jymmm> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113277/ 1995
[23:41:31] <trentster> heh yup
[23:44:46] <Jymmm> Right now I'm trying to figure out how to transition from OVC conduit to pvc flex conduit
[23:59:09] <Wolf_Mill> china calipers... maybe exiled to the welding shop to get killed...