#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-09-20

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[00:08:50] <zeeshan> stil lthere?
[00:09:00] <Wolf_Mill> yeah lol
[00:09:02] <zeeshan> sorry was making some creme brulee
[00:09:06] <zeeshan> dude if you got linuxcnc open
[00:09:08] <zeeshan> can you do me a fav?
[00:09:12] <zeeshan> i forgot to do it
[00:09:20] <zeeshan> note down your X value for g54 in the dro
[00:09:23] <zeeshan> and then in mdi type
[00:09:34] <zeeshan> g10 l2 p1 [#5221+2]
[00:09:37] <zeeshan> tell me value
[00:09:48] <zeeshan> and then type g10 l2 p1 [#5221+2]
[00:09:50] <zeeshan> and tell me val
[00:09:55] * zeeshan is trying to fix post processor
[00:10:45] <Wolf_Mill> was at 1, now at 3
[00:11:34] <zeeshan> how about after the second type you type it?
[00:11:46] <Wolf_Mill> 5
[00:11:49] <zeeshan> damn it
[00:11:53] <zeeshan> so it does update the g54
[00:11:54] <Wolf_Mill> this is in g20
[00:11:57] <zeeshan> and it forgets the old value
[00:12:16] <Wolf_Mill> seems so
[00:13:31] <Wolf_Mill> doesnt seem to work right in metric...
[00:13:49] <zeeshan> it might still be confused
[00:13:55] <zeeshan> like those values might be in inches
[00:14:57] <Wolf_Mill> must be
[00:16:31] <Wolf_Mill> re touch off at 1"/25.4mm do the +2, sets it to g54 3.0, another +2, 2.118 lol
[00:16:47] <Wolf_Mill> thats with G21 actice
[00:16:49] <Wolf_Mill> active
[00:17:12] <zeeshan> hoenstly i never mix metric w/ imperial
[00:17:20] <zeeshan> ill convert all metric to imperial in the code
[00:18:13] <zeeshan> fuck i need linuxcnc for windows
[00:18:15] <zeeshan> so i can test the code
[00:18:26] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, most of the stuff for the machines and RC shit I code in metic, everything else is inch
[00:35:51] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/user/yetipc1/videos
[00:35:56] <XXCoder> love that guy videos
[00:36:09] <XXCoder> look a one "what if saturn flew past the earth"
[00:36:32] <XXCoder> it ignores couple stuff, like saturn gravity would have moved earth an one other factor
[00:36:37] <XXCoder> but awesome nevertheless
[00:48:50] <Jymmm> Think they'll honor it? http://imgur.com/qtcPipR
[00:49:42] <XXCoder> no expire date
[00:51:02] <Jymmm> Valid address too
[00:51:22] <Jymmm> https://goo.gl/maps/3CAEEKw8Sfp
[00:53:46] <XXCoder> but is it still snapon
[00:54:11] <renesis> it has a p/n so they prob dont have too
[00:54:34] <renesis> unless they still stock V-807K
[00:55:13] <renesis> yeah that catalog page is the only thing that pops upwhen you google for it \
[00:55:35] <XXCoder> quite old then
[00:56:15] <renesis> 50s popular mechanics ad
[00:56:27] <Jymmm> http://vintagesnapon.com/catalogs/catalogs-large/1955_Catalog_V/1955-Catalog-V-p051.jpg
[00:57:27] <XXCoder> Wolf_Mill: that you? http://www.optipess.com/comics/2013-03-22-438_Moon-Revenge.png
[00:59:25] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snap-on-3-8-4-Way-Angle-Offset-Open-End-Wrench-V5212-G4-/252055239627
[01:04:01] * zeeshan is compiling linuxcnc on rpi 2
[01:04:08] <zeeshan> hopefully i can simulate on it :P
[01:17:57] <sadara> If you could have any feature in a CNC controller, what would it be?
[01:18:58] <Jymmm> beer delivery
[01:19:07] <XXCoder> lead to gold conversion
[01:20:26] <sadara> not unlimited wishes?
[01:21:10] <XXCoder> easy way round 3 wish limit rule - wish for more genies
[01:21:29] <sadara> lol
[01:21:36] <sadara> Never though of that
[01:21:40] <Wolf_Mill> haha
[01:22:33] <XXCoder> seriously my first wish would be this
[01:22:37] <Jymmm> Rock Solid, intuitive, inexpensive, beer dispensing, tool changing,
[01:22:49] <Jymmm> cheao
[01:22:55] <Jymmm> cheap*
[01:23:03] <XXCoder> "I wish I can build an working machine for any idea I have, period"
[01:23:13] <XXCoder> second and thirs wish would be useless
[01:23:27] <sadara> I've just been asked to design a new CNC controller for the upper end of the hobbiest market
[01:23:48] <XXCoder> since I can build machine for anything I want. though maybe second wish is "I can get fund to do anything I want."
[01:23:51] * Jymmm hands XXCoder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC1ZKLgqOY0
[01:24:01] <sadara> I have a couple of ideas, but I want some feedback from the community
[01:24:05] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Your very own factory =)
[01:24:14] <XXCoder> Jymmm: very true
[01:24:26] <XXCoder> first two wishes cover everything though
[01:24:49] <XXCoder> ah that video lol
[01:25:02] <sadara> The first questing, stepper or servo?
[01:25:10] <XXCoder> sadara: both has merits
[01:25:14] <Jymmm> Yeah, sorry bout that, 1st google search
[01:25:55] <Jymmm> they only have merits if YOU are paying for things =)
[01:25:58] <XXCoder> nah dont be sorry for good joke lol
[01:26:16] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Oh the joke is fine, just a really bad video
[01:26:25] <sadara> What if they were close to the same price?
[01:26:45] <XXCoder> sadara: maybe make sure it spports up to 5 axles
[01:26:54] <sadara> only 5?
[01:27:07] <XXCoder> upper end after all. well make it extendable
[01:27:29] <XXCoder> 5 built in but can add more
[01:27:40] <sadara> I was thinking 6 +spindle, and a couple of extra step dirs for a toolchanger
[01:28:00] <XXCoder> easy to access pins for whatever use
[01:28:30] <sadara> I could possible make a servo system for about the same cost as a stepper system
[01:28:46] <XXCoder> then offer both
[01:29:11] <sadara> I'm thinking of having the Servo drives as small plug-ing blades
[01:29:46] <sadara> would 750W servo drives be enough for hobbiests?
[01:30:06] <sadara> and what about the spindle? 2.2kw seems common?
[01:30:09] <XXCoder> good question
[01:30:36] <Wolf_Mill> diy options?
[01:30:37] <sadara> I'm trying to make this low cost as possible
[01:30:44] <sadara> Wolf_Mill, ?
[01:31:41] <sadara> I'm not sure that I would feel comfortable with hobbyiests making servo drive cards....
[01:32:02] <Wolf_Mill> why not, make it smd and just board + bom
[01:32:15] <Wolf_Mill> if they cant assemble it, they shouldnt be using it lol
[01:32:39] <sadara> I though you meant hobbyists designing them
[01:33:08] <Wolf_Mill> naa, that too much diy for me lol
[01:33:13] <sadara> I don't see why supplying the bare boards and a bag of components (with no warranty) would be a problem
[01:34:06] <sadara> or several options, bare boards, soldered boards with out headers, or fully assembled in a case would be an option
[01:34:17] <sadara> what about the User interface?
[01:34:17] <Wolf_Mill> depend on the board costs of course
[01:35:27] <XXCoder> sadara: how would device be connected to computer?
[01:35:32] <XXCoder> serial is usual
[01:35:38] <sadara> serial = balls
[01:36:29] <sadara> What would be a reasonable price for a 5 axis controller, including 5x 750W Servo drives, 2.2kw spindle drive, 50 field inputs, 30 field outputs, 3 STEP DIR Outputs
[01:36:56] <sadara> XXCoder, I personally like ethernet
[01:37:07] <sadara> but usb would be another option
[01:37:23] <XXCoder> not bad, its quite fast and designed to go the distance without data loss
[01:37:29] <XXCoder> usb well it has latency
[01:37:41] <sadara> remember, I'm talking about a CNC Controller, not a interface
[01:37:50] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:37:56] <XXCoder> on price no idea either
[01:38:06] <sadara> ALL the work is done on the board, no computernecessary
[01:38:12] <XXCoder> ahh
[01:38:16] <XXCoder> in that case
[01:38:27] <XXCoder> support for displays of various types
[01:38:27] <sadara> you can plug a USB stick in with the GCODE
[01:38:44] <sadara> only HDMI/DVI I'm afraid
[01:38:49] <sadara> VGA adds to much cost
[01:39:02] <XXCoder> displayport, hdmi
[01:39:18] <Wolf_Mill> oh hell yeah, displayport <
[01:39:21] <XXCoder> usb display support too that ones easy
[01:39:34] <sadara> XXCoder, harder than you think
[01:39:39] <XXCoder> ok
[01:39:56] <Wolf_Mill> then you can get a abusemark board + ipad $40 lcd
[01:40:08] <sadara> What about a couple of 7 segment outputs for large LED displays
[01:40:24] <sadara> For DRO like functionality
[01:40:33] <XXCoder> I'd be impressed if you somehow figured a way to make it extensionable using additional axis daughterboard
[01:41:11] <sadara> XXCoder, It would probably be cheaper to just make it 9 axis + 3 spindle to begin with
[01:41:21] <XXCoder> possibily
[01:41:37] <sadara> then only add drives for the axis you need
[01:41:48] <Wolf_Mill> yeah scaleable is good
[01:42:21] <sadara> and also make 3 axis and 5 axis only boards that are the same as the 9 axis board, just missing the extra sockets
[01:42:36] <sadara> would anyone ever need more than 9 axis?
[01:42:44] <XXCoder> rare but possible
[01:42:50] <sadara> like a double hexapob?
[01:42:51] <XXCoder> I know of 13 axis machine
[01:43:01] <XXCoder> its a wire bender
[01:43:17] <Wolf_Mill> make them so you can chain them if needed
[01:43:18] <sadara> this is a commercial product, so I can't cater for everything
[01:43:23] <XXCoder> thats why extensionable is better
[01:43:49] <sadara> what about up to 9 servos, 3 spindles, and extensible stepper options?
[01:43:50] <XXCoder> make it so it has large socket on side or something and figure communcation protocol
[01:44:05] <XXCoder> past 5 axis is pretty uncommon
[01:44:20] <XXCoder> XYZAC usually is enough for nearly everything
[01:45:01] <sadara> I'm trying to do the servo drive in the primary FPGA, so adding servo drives would be expencive
[01:45:36] <sadara> Don't hold me to this, but I'mm looking at around $40 pre 750W servo card
[01:45:46] <sadara> *pre = per
[01:45:48] <XXCoder> thats not bad
[01:46:03] <Wolf_Mill> BLDC? or just DC
[01:46:10] <sadara> scoff
[01:46:24] <sadara> Wolf_Mill, did you really just ask that?
[01:46:50] <XXCoder> wouldnt know difference between bldc and dc
[01:46:50] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, but I'm still a noob to this stuff
[01:47:02] <sadara> sorry
[01:47:27] <Wolf_Mill> but I have 3, 3 phase BLDC servos sitting in a box
[01:47:34] <Wolf_Mill> with no drivers
[01:47:37] <sadara> BLDC = WTF. brushed = very, very, very, very bad.
[01:47:50] <sadara> Wolf_Mill, drives are usually very expencive
[01:48:26] <sadara> BLDC and PMSM AC servos are cheaper anyway
[01:48:30] <XXCoder> sadara: led display support would be awesome. mainly machine coordites, part coordites and distance to go
[01:48:52] * sadara agrees with XXCoder
[01:49:06] <XXCoder> pendant
[01:49:12] <sadara> It surprises me that it is not more common
[01:49:17] <sadara> XXCoder, wireless?
[01:49:35] <XXCoder> either actually sometimes wireless is better if its big machine
[01:49:43] <XXCoder> while my tiny router its kinda pointless
[01:49:47] <sadara> wireless is cheaper
[01:50:05] <XXCoder> weird since pendants I see out there wireless is bit more pricy
[01:50:24] <Wolf_Mill> cause people will pay $$ for the wireless
[01:50:25] <sadara> yeah, that not because of the build costs, trust me
[01:50:45] <XXCoder> wireless it is I guess.
[01:50:54] <Wolf_Mill> somethign like hoperf modules?
[01:51:12] <sadara> maybe not that extreme
[01:51:26] <XXCoder> as minium, 1x, 10x, 100x, and display for current axis and buttons to change that, and clicky wheel
[01:51:30] <Wolf_Mill> they are like $6
[01:51:53] <sadara> that is pretty expencive
[01:52:07] <Wolf_Mill> true, there is way cheaper things
[01:52:32] <sadara> I would be looking at a slower, more durable signal device
[01:52:48] <XXCoder> knob would be best for axis and multipler selection but not sure how it'd work with 9 axis or extensionable stuff
[01:53:38] <sadara> A MPG with a LED display for the selected axis would be easy
[01:54:00] <sadara> Would you want to be able to edit the GCODE on the machine?
[01:54:11] <sadara> ie, keyboard
[01:54:16] <XXCoder> sometimes yeah as code could be problemic
[01:54:29] <XXCoder> usb keyboard support is quite standard
[01:54:42] <XXCoder> and some navigation buttons
[01:56:12] <sadara> would you want pathing on screen? Like with linux emc "Axis" interface
[01:58:36] <Wolf_Mill> live or just the code pathing?
[01:59:31] <sadara> what would you want?
[02:01:08] <Wolf_Mill> well, from noob point of view, the code pathing is very useful (like if you cam stuff with the cords fucked up) I dont get too much from live pathing but I guess its nice
[02:02:45] <sadara> is 2d ok? with top, left and right ok? or do you need full 3d?
[02:03:04] <Wolf_Mill> 2d works
[02:03:55] <XXCoder> 3 plano views as well as that down one of corner view for better 3d visualizion
[02:04:06] <Wolf_Mill> I cammed something with the y flipped somehow, didnt notice till I loaded the code and all the stuff was on the wrong side of the origin
[02:04:43] <sadara> agreed, I use it a lot for making sure I'm not going to hit my clamps
[02:07:18] <sadara> Would extensible thermister/analog inputs be worth while (for 3d printers)?
[02:08:05] <XXCoder> like I said plenty of pins would be nice.
[02:08:10] <XXCoder> various input or outputs
[02:08:43] <sadara> analog io is different to digital IOs
[02:09:21] <XXCoder> ah dunno about that then :)
[02:13:34] <Wolf_Mill> couple/few analog might be handy
[02:15:59] <Deejay> moin
[02:16:32] <sadara> current topic of convo is what you would want in a CNC controller board
[02:20:20] <renesis> laser turrents
[02:20:50] <Wolf_Mill> torch height control or some way to interface one?
[02:22:37] <MacGalempsy> setp?
[02:25:00] <sadara> Wolf_Mill, would support for something like this suffice? http://www.mesanet.com/aiodaughter.html THCAD High isolation A-D accessory
[02:25:18] <sadara> renesis, what is needed to support a laser turret?
[02:25:37] <sadara> Wolf_Mill, Scroll to bottom of page
[02:26:34] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, probably
[02:26:45] <sadara> renesis, auto targeting?
[02:26:47] <sadara> :P
[02:29:32] <renesis> i guess
[02:29:48] <renesis> i would prefer little housings with doors that have big X's on them
[02:30:15] <renesis> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/d5/81/d0/d581d07adee49e04f0ed9245cb8fcd2a.jpg
[02:30:19] <renesis> like those
[02:30:50] <renesis> http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110214075644/redfaction/images/7/78/MissileTank.jpg
[02:30:54] <sadara> but those are for rockets, not lasers
[02:30:54] <renesis> those are cool
[02:31:23] <renesis> yeah but those are regular mecha and tanks not cnc machines
[02:37:25] <sadara> I'm talking about just the control side :)
[02:38:00] <renesis> right i think the controller should have laser turrets that go into housings with doors that have cool stamped designs in them
[02:38:22] <renesis> maybe put them next to the e-stop flasher
[02:38:43] <renesis> you can do an upgrade that has gatling lasers
[02:39:34] <renesis> does you thing have ultra bright LED estop flasher and an alarm that goes like EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIII?
[02:42:00] <XXCoder> lol
[02:45:05] <archivist> sadara, why reinvent the wheel, I want what linuxcnc has (and more)
[02:46:32] <sadara> archivist, for a couple of reasons
[02:46:41] <sadara> one, I'm been payed to do it... :)
[02:47:44] <sadara> two, linux CNC doesn't make servos an affordable option
[02:49:39] <sadara> archivist, what about the "(and more)" ???
[02:49:45] <archivist> sure it does, you can use a servo off a parallel port
[02:50:17] <sadara> My parallel port doesn't have that kind of current
[02:51:32] <MacGalempsy> ok. got the hall effect detectors tested and operational, hooked to the mesa card. now time for a little test
[02:53:36] <archivist> sadara, you drive an h bridge
[02:54:42] <sadara> directly from you PPort?
[02:56:05] <archivist> I am trying to find the old link that shows an example
[02:59:22] <archivist> this is the pcb for it I think http://emergent.unpythonic.net/projects/01148303608
[03:01:41] <sadara> you still an ac to dc convertor
[03:02:21] <sadara> and that is for small brushed servos
[03:03:10] <BuildSmart> you could essential swap out the l298 for 4 fets and remove the low voltage/current limitations and get better results.
[03:04:01] <sadara> but you would still need isolation, and the PPort would be acurate enough to set dead times for any reasonable speed
[03:04:24] <sadara> It is a good solution for small brushed servo though
[03:04:45] <sadara> it doesn't provide feed back though
[03:04:48] <archivist> the hard part is reading encoders and resolvers
[03:04:55] <sadara> yeah
[03:05:16] <sadara> and keeping your servo positions locked to the encoders
[03:05:21] <archivist> add fpga (mesa card)
[03:05:33] <sadara> lol, that is what I said
[03:05:50] <archivist> linuxcnc can deal with bldc too
[03:05:57] <sadara> What I'm describing is kinda like the linuxemc / mesa solution
[03:06:32] <sadara> except putting the computer on the same board as the FPGA, and adding in the Servo drives as sell
[03:06:34] <BuildSmart> look at the characteristics of the NDP6060L, these have a very low restances and generate almost no heat, I use them to run a 5A 48V DC servo and no heatsink
[03:08:50] <archivist> sadara, remember lots of machines are retrofits and are a mixture of drives and technology
[03:09:13] <archivist> one size does not fit all
[03:10:40] <sadara> yeah, that is the problem
[03:11:53] <archivist> geared axes are important to some of us
[03:13:13] <archivist> I have a hobbing machine running linuxcnc
[03:13:21] <sadara> The solution I am proposing would have 3, 5 or 9 card slots to take stepper or servo drives
[03:14:15] <archivist> most use the right stepper driver or servo driver to suit their motors, not a generic one
[03:15:27] <sadara> the card options would be something like 1, 5, or 10 amp stepper drive cards, 100w, 400w, 750w, or 2.2 kw Brushless AC (PMSM ) servo drive cards
[03:15:50] <sadara> archivist, what do you mean "suit their motors" ?
[03:15:57] <archivist> plenty use brushed servos
[03:16:45] <sadara> I could add brushed servo drive cards in the future, but we are exploring the option of providing low cost servos
[03:17:03] <sadara> IMHO that would be a better solution for most
[03:17:20] <archivist> "low cost" is the one already on a machine
[03:17:34] <sadara> you could always add a Brushed servo drive, or external stepper drive
[03:17:44] <sadara> just not internally
[03:18:25] <archivist> so my hobbing machine uses a vfd to drive it original fixed speed induction motor
[03:19:03] <sadara> A Brushless AC drive is also known as a invertor VFD
[03:19:50] <sadara> the idea is that if you are converting a machine, you could interface to the existion drives
[03:20:38] <archivist> I did mine without a mesa card, it is all on the parallel port
[03:21:06] <sadara> but if it is a new machine, you can purchase new/second hand servos and use cheaper "drive cards" rather than external drives
[03:21:20] <anomynous> how much would it cost to convert a 5 meters long manual lathe into cnc lathe? ;D
[03:21:25] <sadara> archivist, what sort of results do you get? speed wise i mean
[03:21:45] <archivist> sadara, I have to stay inside the ports speed limits
[03:22:09] <archivist> anomynous, as much as you want to spend :)
[03:22:42] <anomynous> archivist, so it'd be usable. As much as you can spend = mazak integrex custom made super long version
[03:22:51] <sadara> anomynous, length doesn't effect price if your not replacing the screws
[03:22:58] <archivist> my cnc lathe was retrofitted with an old PC, that was the total cost
[03:23:30] <sadara> anomynous, could I interist you in a cheap sero solution? ;)
[03:23:37] <archivist> it already had stepper drives and ball screws
[03:23:53] <sadara> anomynous, do you know what a stepper motor is?
[03:23:53] <anomynous> sure, but im in no position to buy anything ;)
[03:24:29] <sadara> 5 meters long manual lathe
[03:24:51] <archivist> you can use original screw and write unidirectional gcode to avoid backlash problems
[03:25:10] <sadara> or just live with the backlash comp
[03:25:24] <archivist> linuxcnc can also map the screw error to improve it
[03:25:46] <sadara> anomynous, at the _absolute_ minimum, I would guess $300
[03:25:53] <anomynous> lol
[03:26:00] <anomynous> work and everything included ;)
[03:27:02] <sadara> sure, if you work for free
[03:27:12] <fenn> sadara what you are building sounds really useful
[03:27:27] <archivist> and costly of your time
[03:27:53] <fenn> would the controller box have something like a beaglebone in it to do motion control?
[03:28:13] <fenn> or is it an accessory to a computer that just runs the servo motors
[03:29:03] <sadara> kinda
[03:29:09] <sadara> not a beagle bone
[03:29:11] <fenn> if it has the computer built in, i'd rather it ran linuxCNC or is capable of doing so
[03:29:29] <sadara> linux cnc is not really a good fit
[03:29:32] <fenn> why not?
[03:29:39] <archivist> its the best fit
[03:30:15] <sadara> not in this case, parts of it are, like the path planner and gcode loader
[03:30:32] <sadara> It would be possible
[03:30:40] <archivist> how could you come in here saying linuxcnc is not a good fit
[03:30:44] <fenn> hah
[03:30:50] <sadara> I could use an OMAP like the BBone or RPI
[03:31:07] <fenn> right
[03:31:21] <sadara> but that would push the price up a lot
[03:31:47] <sadara> I was asking in here because everyone here is part of the CNC community
[03:31:50] <anomynous> sadara, i can't do it nor i have time to start learning ;) I'm curious about how much would it cost when someone was hired to do it. Have computer or whatever for control, mount the things and all electronics and servo motors to drive screws.
[03:31:53] <archivist> since when has a second hand pc cost a lot
[03:32:48] <fenn> i'd like to see a simple board that connects over ethernet to a PC or laptop running linuxcnc, and can interpret high speed encoder signals from servos, and output +-10V analog servo drive control signals
[03:32:57] <sadara> archivist, how many boards are there out there that interface mach3 or emc to servo drives?
[03:33:11] <BuildSmart> why would you need linux if you have a standalone IEEE-RS274 compliant controller?
[03:33:21] <sadara> fenn, look at the MESA 7i77e
[03:33:31] <fenn> sadara: you might not be aware that these exist, http://pico-systems.com/motion.html
[03:33:34] <archivist> sadara, many can, just use step dir server drives
[03:34:13] <sadara> that is my point, making another of those would just be reinventing the wheel
[03:34:56] <fenn> yuck
[03:35:11] <fenn> step servo, what the hell is that
[03:35:31] <sadara> another option would be to make my soltion without the onboard CNC controller, and then interface it over Ethernet to LinuxCNC
[03:35:32] <BuildSmart> those are brainless devices still requiring Mach3, ECM2 or some other software.
[03:35:35] <archivist> what most mack users use
[03:35:56] <sadara> step/dir servo is pointless
[03:36:15] <archivist> I know, plenty use them though
[03:36:28] <sadara> you need feedback to the pather to take advantages of servos
[03:36:44] <BuildSmart> archivist, you mean you would sacrifice a real RS274 system to use Mach3 or ECM2???
[03:37:07] <fenn> it's EMC2 (or was)
[03:37:23] <BuildSmart> dislexic fingers
[03:37:40] <BuildSmart> LinuxCNC
[03:38:13] <fenn> anyway, rs274-D or rs274-X is designed for exposing circuit board masks, not machining
[03:38:48] <sadara> RS274 = gcode
[03:38:55] <fenn> not so simple, unfortunately
[03:39:09] <sadara> ok RS274NGC then
[03:39:26] <sadara> or FANUC RS274
[03:39:47] <fenn> NIST was tasked with straightening out all the mishmash of g-code dialects in the wild, and they came up with RS274-NGC, and made a reference implementation which now 20 years later is called LinuxCNC
[03:40:01] <sadara> correct
[03:40:47] <BuildSmart> EMC2/LinuxCNC is not the full implementation
[03:41:22] <fenn> linuxcnc has added to the language over the years, either extending the standard or creating a new dialect, depending on your perspective
[03:41:37] <sadara> Technically, the very first version of EMC2 by definition IS the specification for RS274
[03:41:56] <fenn> no, the specification is in the manual(?)
[03:42:19] <fenn> or maybe there is some other document i am not aware of
[03:42:32] <MacGalempsy> its too bad most linuxcnc videos on youtube are people using it, not setting it up
[03:42:58] <fenn> anyway it's academic because nobody uses rs274-ngc except linuxcnc and related software
[03:43:08] <sadara> NIST Stated that the EMC code was the over-riding factor in a discrepancy between the ref implementation and the written spec
[03:43:27] <archivist> sadara, step dir servos tak the encoder direct
[03:43:29] <fenn> huh ok
[03:44:56] <sadara> archivist, that is bad
[03:45:23] <sadara> archivist, not a good thing
[03:45:50] <archivist> so do other types, so you should rethink your biases
[03:45:53] <sadara> It means the pather can't recalculate to compensate for an out of position axis
[03:46:09] <sadara> archivist, I'm not been biased
[03:46:29] <archivist> with some the encoder goes to the servo and linuxcnc
[03:46:50] <fenn> anyway, as for "why would you want linuxcnc instead of some other rs274 controller" there are a lot of features that may or may not be relevant, such as weird kinematics, adaptive feed rate, path preview, constant surface speed, threading, probing, easy access to files on the web or LAN, and many other features
[03:47:06] <archivist> you said linuxcnc is not a good fit, I see bias
[03:47:24] <sadara> sorry, you mis-understood
[03:48:09] <archivist> it an unfortunate statement to make in a linuxcnc channel
[03:48:11] <sadara> I'm saying that if I make an embedded board, with say a STM32 microcontroller and an FPGA, EMC would not be a good fit
[03:48:53] <fenn> i would agree with that
[03:49:00] <archivist> you have to rewrite so much that it is too costly, that has to be amortised in the board cost
[03:49:10] <sadara> but a lot of the EMC code would be a good fit
[03:49:10] <fenn> i'm hoping you'll spend the extra $10 on an ARM chip that can run linuxcnc
[03:49:29] <sadara> fenn, I wouldn't do it like that
[03:50:08] <sadara> I would just give ppl the option of buying the board without the controller, so they could add a BBone or RPI themselves
[03:50:36] <fenn> so it's a beaglebone shield now?
[03:50:47] <sadara> no
[03:51:01] <sadara> it woulh have to communicat over ethernet
[03:51:02] <archivist> yes
[03:51:14] <sadara> you could use whaterver device you wanted
[03:51:41] <fenn> ok
[03:51:46] <Wolf_> right now this is a concept so it can do anything it wants :P
[03:51:52] <archivist> you know linuxcnc can control over ethernet now?
[03:52:18] <sadara> archivist, yes
[03:52:41] <fenn> there are a few limitations however: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/hm2_eth.9.html
[03:52:43] <sadara> archivist, I even have a mesa 7i77e right here
[03:53:13] <fenn> having a dedicated link means you need some other way to access the internet etc
[03:53:25] <kengu> i will get a 9 year old laser cutter with presumambly fried control electronics.
[03:53:43] <kengu> should be a nice platform for one more linuxcnc build
[03:53:49] <XXCoder> kengu: yeah
[03:54:58] <sadara> fenn, I prefer to tink of the ethernet link as an alternitive to RS232
[03:55:20] <sadara> then adding a secnd network adapter doesn't sound like a bad thing
[03:55:36] <fenn> using 192.168.1/24 for a weirdo machine control system is kinda dumb i think, since 90% of the LAN in the US use the same address space
[03:55:59] <kengu> might need to get a new co2 tube though as the owner said it is original tube and perhaps lost power.. but we will see
[03:56:00] <sadara> I though it was ethernet
[03:56:58] <fenn> oh i was just complaining about default address values
[03:57:41] <fenn> you don't want to plug it into a switch with other traffic going through because you can get packet collisions
[03:57:43] <sadara> I gues it stops ppl from pluging it into there lan
[03:58:03] <fenn> or.. something
[03:58:04] <archivist> you are confusing the unroutable block with the internet
[03:58:15] * fenn thought switches were supposed to prevent packet collisions...
[03:59:15] <archivist> you get queues in interfaces too such that a separate card is a good idea
[03:59:31] <fenn> archivist if your machine has 2 network interfaces, one for the CNC controller and one for the internet, and they have the same address, something bad happens
[03:59:54] <archivist> no idiot would do that
[04:00:09] <fenn> what would forrest gump do
[04:00:19] <sadara> fenn, you don't need an IP configured on the computers network card
[04:00:42] <sadara> it is ETHERNET, not IP over ETHERNET
[04:00:54] <sadara> I have no idea why the device have an IP
[04:01:07] <sadara> It might be for debug or flash upgrades
[04:01:22] <renesis> wot
[04:01:47] <renesis> you like, rewrote ethernet firmware and drivers from scratch or something?
[04:02:07] <sadara> renesis, acutally, they did
[04:02:18] <sadara> that is why only 5 devices are supported
[04:02:22] <sadara> AFAIK the device uses ethernet frames, not IP
[04:03:09] <fenn> do you know why that was necessary? is IP not deterministic?
[04:03:27] <fenn> it's not that much overhead
[04:03:45] <sadara> but id does add a lot of code and processing
[04:05:50] <sadara> I'm only 90% sure on the btw
[04:07:21] <fenn> what does 7i77e do exactly? is it a daughtercard like the 7i77 or does it have an FPGA on it too?
[04:07:36] <sadara_afk> it has an ethernet interface and an FPGA
[04:07:45] <sadara_afk> look at the 7i76e
[04:08:16] <sadara_afk> that is a 5axis stepper board with a FPGA on it
[05:51:55] <fenn> sadara you might want to consider how to approach a machine with both a rotary encoder on the motor and linear scale encoder on the ways
[06:01:51] <sadara> fenn, why so?
[06:02:28] <sadara> short of a laser interferometer, I'm not sure what the advantage of that would be
[06:03:43] <fenn> a lot of machines have this, it's because ballscrews heat up in use and expand, but you want to measure the actual part position
[06:03:51] <archivist> because linear scales are often used
[06:04:08] <fenn> it would use up a lot of encoder inputs
[06:04:31] <sadara> You wouldn't need the rotary encoders then
[06:04:34] <fenn> i think linear scales are slower than rotary ones so maybe you can cheat and use gpio
[06:04:47] <sadara> linear scales are the same speed
[06:04:52] <fenn> you need some kind of velocity feedback from the motors or they will spazz out
[06:04:56] <sadara> interferometers are up 100Mhz
[06:05:05] <archivist> use the encoder for velocity and the linear for position
[06:05:29] <fenn> a common arrangement is linear scales and analog tachometers on the motors
[06:05:31] <sadara> with an FPGA, you can use a linear for velocity and position
[06:06:13] <archivist> the point we are making is all are out there and used
[06:06:17] <sadara> fenn, why not just use feedback from the drive for motor position
[06:06:38] <sadara> the drive always knows the approx position of the motor
[06:06:46] <sadara> to say 5 degrees
[06:06:59] <fenn> there is a slight amount of stretch or backlash between the motor and the moving part (table or knee etc) which causes the motor to "wind up" and store energy as rotational inertia
[06:07:19] <sadara> yes
[06:07:44] <sadara> but that would usually be compensated for in your motor tuning
[06:07:45] <fenn> if the servo drive doesn't know the position of the motor within this small band, it bounces back and forth violently between the ends of the band
[06:07:59] <fenn> you can't tune it out because the drive doesn't have any information about it
[06:08:18] <fenn> well, unless it does
[06:08:28] <fenn> if you put a tachometer or encoder on the motor, then it knows the position of the motor
[06:09:14] <sadara> a tach usually only is accurate to 5-45 deg
[06:09:30] <fenn> um, velocity
[06:09:55] <sadara> the drive knows the velosity
[06:09:56] <archivist> a tach is velocity feedback not position
[06:10:05] <fenn> how does the drive know the velocity?
[06:10:34] <sadara> the drive rotates the mag field around the rotor
[06:10:39] <archivist> the drive is clueless about velocity without feedback
[06:11:12] <sadara> the drive can use feedback without a tacho
[06:11:41] <sadara> or an encoder
[06:11:45] <sadara> google sensorless feedback servo
[06:11:56] <fenn> you're talking about sensing back-EMF right?
[06:12:11] <sadara> yes, that is a primative type
[06:12:25] <sadara> I'm talking more about Flux vector control
[06:12:50] <sadara> Or FOC
[06:13:06] <sadara> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_control_(motor)
[09:08:47] <Contract_Pilot> Morning, playing with path pilot for a bit this morning. left alt + shit at tormach screen gives desktop. Not to edit it to disable mesa card will be intresting.
[09:10:52] <Contract_Pilot> But backup iso is made.
[09:11:19] <os1r1s> Contract_Pilot: What's the main advantage of it vs axis?
[09:11:37] <Contract_Pilot> the GUI
[09:12:33] <Contract_Pilot> Until mesa has the combo's in stock i will be using LPT to my PMDX 126
[09:13:07] <Contract_Pilot> But have to chat later as i have to go to the gun show i am a vendor.
[09:48:41] <malcom2073> os1r1s: And I believe it has conversational modes
[09:49:37] <pcw_home> the "features" add-on does much of the same things
[09:56:05] <pcw_home> maybe even more (take a look at the arc engraving)
[09:56:06] <pcw_home> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/40-subroutines-and-ngcgui/26578-linuxcnc-features-a-kind-of-ngcgui?start=240#62632
[09:57:38] <Contract_Pilot> Just not as use friendly.
[09:58:29] <malcom2073> User-friendly is a multi-billion doller market :P
[09:58:41] <malcom2073> Doller really, dollar* wow
[10:04:11] <Tom_itx> pick A B or C
[10:04:12] <Tom_itx> :)
[10:05:07] <skunkworks> pcw_home: you have some sort of stand alone pwm->analog converter iirc?
[11:31:29] <zeeshan> ;morning all
[11:31:31] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: halp!!!!!!!!!
[11:31:45] <zeeshan> so i got my rpi 2 working with linuxcnc
[11:31:47] <zeeshan> for simulation purposes
[11:32:05] <t12> lol
[11:32:06] <t12> rea
[11:32:15] <t12> get a real computer!
[11:32:15] <Jymmm> I have SO many receipts from doin a rear brake job + replacing the axle seal + borrowing tools, I can't tell how much it actually cost me! lol
[11:32:18] <zeeshan> no
[11:32:22] <zeeshan> its only for simulation
[11:32:25] <zeeshan> i leave my rpi 2 on all the time
[11:32:27] <zeeshan> and remote into it
[11:32:32] <zeeshan> its my programming environment
[11:32:33] <Jymmm> no you don't =)
[11:32:37] <t12> reeeeeal computer
[11:32:52] <zeeshan> whats wrong with rpi2
[11:33:23] <t12> linuxcnc simulation, it seems!
[11:33:30] <zeeshan> ??
[11:33:32] <zeeshan> it works fine
[11:33:35] <zeeshan> i dont need halp with
[11:33:38] * Jymmm snickers
[11:33:39] <t12> ooh
[11:33:43] <zeeshan> i need help with this subroutine shit
[11:33:47] <zeeshan> its not working right
[11:33:51] <t12> hah i misread sry
[11:34:03] <t12> statement stands re real computer tho!
[11:34:14] <zeeshan> i have a real computer
[11:34:21] <t12> im just arm prejudiced i think
[11:34:23] <zeeshan> i'd never run linux on it though
[11:34:34] <zeeshan> cause my daily software is not supported in linux
[11:34:35] <Jymmm> t12++
[11:34:38] <zeeshan> otherwise i'd run linux all the time!
[11:34:45] <Jymmm> virtual machine
[11:34:56] <Jymmm> runs GREAT under linux
[11:35:07] <zeeshan> you dont run resource hogging software then
[11:35:08] <zeeshan> :P
[11:35:15] <zeeshan> you'd see how shitty is runs!!
[11:35:32] <Jymmm> Not if you had a REAL computer =)
[11:35:49] <zeeshan> Jymmm: we can argue all day long
[11:35:59] <Jymmm> and you would lose
[11:36:00] <zeeshan> but we've known each other to know that theres no winning against zeeshan
[11:36:01] <zeeshan> :)
[11:37:26] <MrSunshine> everything you say is mute .. i win .. i always win!
[11:37:52] <zeeshan> :]
[11:37:59] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: Care to put cash on that?
[11:38:09] <Jymmm> via payapl
[11:38:12] <pcw_home> Contract_Pilot: I would say Path-pilot is a lot less user friendly in terms getting help and adapting to different machines
[11:38:15] <MrSunshine> haha no ...
[11:38:20] <MrSunshine> but fact still stands
[11:38:32] <Jymmm> s/fact/fiction/
[11:39:24] <MrSunshine> hmm, that wont replace anything will it ?
[11:40:37] <MrSunshine> doesnt it have to be a g on the end there? :P
[11:41:34] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, now what!!
[11:45:06] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: got simulkator open?
[11:45:35] <Tom_itx> nope
[11:47:20] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/ngcgui.html#_single_file_gcode_ngc_subroutine_requirements
[11:48:12] <Tom_itx> post your main code.. not your sub
[11:48:23] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: it's definitely not to do w/ offsetting
[11:48:27] <zeeshan> its something with g90 and g91
[11:48:36] <zeeshan> like when i post the code without subroutines it works fine.
[11:48:47] <zeeshan> but when i ask cam to use subroutines it goes wacky
[11:48:51] <zeeshan> sec
[11:49:02] <Tom_itx> don't use your friggin cam for the sub
[11:51:08] <zeeshan> i want to man
[11:51:18] <zeeshan> i have a couple of repetitive jobs coming in the future
[11:51:24] <zeeshan> which require fixtures and stuff
[11:51:28] <Tom_itx> you're all done just put a wrapper around it
[11:51:28] <zeeshan> i wanna fix it now
[11:51:29] <zeeshan> learn it properly
[11:51:35] <Tom_itx> and keep the wrapper for the future
[11:51:39] <Tom_itx> easy peazy
[11:51:41] <zeeshan> rather than post the whole thing as a nasty massive code
[11:52:10] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/may0a1fm3ms9b09/op4_rev3.ngc?dl=0
[11:52:13] <zeeshan> try loading this up
[11:52:23] <zeeshan> when you go to the (main) body of the g-code
[11:52:36] <zeeshan> removing or adding [#5221- doesnt do anythning)
[11:52:39] <zeeshan> to the axis output
[11:53:17] <zeeshan> like it's definitely not shifting right
[11:53:26] <zeeshan> but also it's shifting at a 45 degree angle from X and Y
[11:53:28] <zeeshan> not along X
[11:53:28] <zeeshan> hehe
[11:54:23] <Tom_itx> why are you using G91?
[11:55:18] <zeeshan> thats a good q
[11:55:31] <zeeshan> it should say g90
[11:55:32] <zeeshan> hmm
[11:55:36] <zeeshan> lemme change and try
[11:55:37] <Tom_itx> 99% of the time i use G90
[11:55:55] <Tom_itx> your post as output G91 code
[11:56:00] <Tom_itx> it's incremental
[11:57:17] <zeeshan> klemme output the post
[11:57:21] <zeeshan> w/ absolute coordinates only
[12:01:10] <zeeshan> w/ absolute output
[12:01:15] <zeeshan> it makes wayyy more subroutines
[12:01:21] <zeeshan> this thing is wacked out
[12:01:31] <zeeshan> it's not thinking it's shifting coordinates
[12:01:49] <Tom_L> post the original code, wrap it in a subroutine in a separate 01000 file and call it from a main gcode file
[12:02:05] <Tom_L> put your setup code in the main file
[12:02:26] <Tom_L> put all your tool etc in the sub
[12:03:15] <Tom_L> put the increment in a loop 3? times or 4 if you need 4
[12:03:26] <zeeshan> ok
[12:03:29] <zeeshan> lemme do it manually like that
[12:03:31] <zeeshan> and see what axis shows
[12:03:35] <Tom_L> increment after the endsub
[12:03:53] <Tom_L> and preset your first G54 offset values
[12:04:35] <Tom_L> i think all you need is: G10 L2 P1 X[#5221-2.625]
[12:04:42] <Tom_L> and loop that
[12:04:54] <Tom_L> after the endsub
[12:05:16] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/o-code.html#_looping
[12:06:10] <Tom_L> err repeat rather
[12:06:20] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/o-code.html#_repeat
[12:06:55] <zeeshan> im just gonna write a simple code
[12:06:55] <zeeshan> by hand
[12:06:56] <zeeshan> a circle
[12:06:59] <Tom_L> if you use repeat you may have to put the increment inside the sub at the end
[12:07:01] <zeeshan> put it in a subourtine
[12:07:06] <Tom_L> good idea
[12:07:09] <zeeshan> and try offsetting, and see if it even shows in axis..
[12:07:15] <zeeshan> cause i don't think it does
[12:07:16] <Tom_L> get the wrapper working then add your code
[12:07:50] <Tom_L> i'd put the code in a separate 01000.ngc file and call it
[12:08:19] <Tom_L> o1000 rather
[12:09:36] <Tom_L> o<myfile> sub
[12:09:36] <Tom_L> (code here)
[12:09:36] <Tom_L> o<myfile> endsub
[12:09:36] <Tom_L> M2
[12:09:42] <Tom_L> the code file wrapper
[12:10:31] <Tom_L> names are lower case
[12:39:55] <Jymmm> Yeah, my lawn mower has a 4" duct... Oh wait, I dont have a lawn mower as I dont have a lawn... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFHlbhQ1IoA
[12:42:21] <furrywolf> I have a very small lawn, and a small lawnmower.
[12:44:36] <zeeshan> fuck
[12:44:53] <zeeshan> just as i am experimenitng with linuxcnc
[12:44:57] <zeeshan> i get pulled into another thing
[12:45:11] <zeeshan> furrywolf: you have something else very small
[12:45:16] <furrywolf> ?
[12:45:26] <zeeshan> A shop task!
[12:45:27] <zeeshan> :P
[12:45:37] * zeeshan is trolling the hater
[12:45:55] <furrywolf> the sherline is much smaller. :P
[12:47:24] <zeeshan> =D
[12:47:31] <zeeshan> you got a sherline mill or lathe?
[12:47:51] <furrywolf> both
[12:47:54] <furrywolf> mill is cnc, lathe is not.
[12:48:09] <zeeshan> ah
[12:49:40] <Tom_L> zeeshan, did you get it?
[12:50:49] <Tom_L> i don't know if this syntax is right but you can have a look: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/zeeshan/
[12:50:59] <Tom_itx> i didn't load it
[12:51:01] <Tom_itx> need to leave
[12:51:46] <zeeshan> tom
[12:51:49] <zeeshan> ok
[12:52:31] <zeeshan> i got it to work with a small circle snippet i wrote
[12:52:34] <zeeshan> but.............
[12:52:42] * furrywolf pokes around tom's kitchen for breakfast, now that he's not there to guard it
[12:52:53] <zeeshan> its acting a bit funny :P
[12:54:06] <Tom_itx> post your code somewhere
[12:54:14] <Tom_itx> i'll look when i get back
[12:54:24] <zeeshan> i got it to work
[12:54:25] <zeeshan> nm!!
[12:54:32] <zeeshan> now to implement it to actual code
[12:54:41] <Tom_itx> i'd still like to set it
[12:54:51] <Tom_itx> i don't do subs :D
[12:55:00] <jdh> N numbers offend me.
[12:55:12] <Tom_itx> oh poo
[12:56:00] * furrywolf tries to figure out what zee is trying to do
[12:56:34] <Tom_itx> loop 3 or 4 times incrementing the G54 X offset each time
[12:57:28] <furrywolf> but... this is zee we're talking about. he'd just import the model 5 times in his cad program and cam it that way. :P
[12:57:41] <zeeshan> haha
[12:57:48] <zeeshan> i love visually looking
[12:57:49] <Tom_itx> so would i because it's quicker with cad cam
[12:57:59] <zeeshan> don't need to think as much
[12:58:10] <Tom_itx> and if it didn't fit in the control i'd DNC it
[12:58:36] <Tom_itx> and on to the next task
[13:06:01] <zeeshan> ty for the help
[13:08:05] <enleth> My issues with the TNC and the spindle interlock problems are getting funny. Everyhing works yet it claims there is a problem. It may end in me dumping the EPROMs to look into the firmware.
[13:12:08] <enleth> It's an 8085, nothing exotic, but there's a shitload of generic 74s all over the place to mux/demux the I/O boards. Tracing all of that could take some time.
[13:13:37] <MacGalempsy> morning
[13:20:41] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: lol
[13:20:43] <zeeshan> i think i got it to work.
[13:20:45] <zeeshan> it was a cam setting.
[13:20:48] <zeeshan> that i wasn't selecting
[13:22:04] <furrywolf> http://grail.cs.washington.edu/projects/timelapse/ that's cool.
[13:29:24] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: you getting back into geology?
[13:32:11] <archivist> methinks mass production
[13:35:28] <furrywolf> meh, I must be the only one here who likes image processing shinyness.
[13:56:36] <malcom2073> So this person posts on freecycle a bunch of random stuff, I send them an email and say "Hey, sounds like you got a lot of stuff, mind if I come pick through it?" She replies back that there is a barn full of "treasures" I'm welcome to. Ought to be interesting
[13:59:23] <furrywolf> some people consider dead rats and moldy clothes to be treasures... :P
[14:05:10] <malcom2073> Heh
[14:05:11] <malcom2073> Prolly
[14:05:15] <malcom2073> Especially around here
[14:05:29] <malcom2073> They did list a craftsman lawn mower which I could use, and an electric chainsaw
[14:09:18] <archivist> make sure you vehicle is empty except for rope to tie things on and planks to wheel stuff into the rear
[14:10:25] <archivist> I do love going out on a raid like that
[14:12:33] <SpeedEvil> And sturdy bags.
[14:12:34] <furrywolf> I went on a drive a while ago to pick up a free drywall hoist... came back with a drywall hoist, a self-propelled lawnmower, a snap-on floor jack (a big one!), some worklights, two 10gal gas tanks with hoses and nozzles, a set of truck ramps,... :P
[14:12:38] <SpeedEvil> Always useful
[14:12:44] <malcom2073> I'm taking a flatbed car trailer heh
[14:12:49] <malcom2073> And lots of straps
[14:14:15] <furrywolf> lol
[14:16:18] <archivist> sometimes museums get an offer like take anything you like just before a demolition, you need a gang for that :)
[14:18:40] <furrywolf> my favorite is someone I know went to a craigslist-posted "cleaning up hoarders place" free stuff sale... they had 5 or 6 (don't remember) mobile homes on the property, packed solid. each time they filled one up to where they couldn't live in it, rather than cleaning it, they're get a new mobile home, park next to it, and move. then finish packing the last one solid. repeat.
[14:18:46] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: havent had time mate
[14:18:51] <zeeshan> till december im stupid busy
[14:18:59] <zeeshan> but this upcoming spring, will have time
[14:19:10] <zeeshan> i have like 6 jobs lined up right now
[14:19:13] <zeeshan> on top of full time work
[14:19:18] <zeeshan> no room to breathe :(
[14:19:28] <archivist> retire at 35?
[14:19:34] <zeeshan> like i said about a couple weeks ago, i want to pay off my house in a year
[14:19:37] <zeeshan> thats why im working hard
[14:19:46] <zeeshan> archivist: haha i wish
[14:19:53] <PetefromTn_> take me with you LOL
[14:19:58] <furrywolf> I want a house. :(
[14:20:13] <archivist> I want a bigger house/shed
[14:21:12] <SpeedEvil> archivist: just get a lot of 80x40
[14:21:17] <CaptHindsight> i want a 30 hour day
[14:21:40] <zeeshan> man
[14:21:49] <zeeshan> im making a piece for this turn table
[14:21:49] <zeeshan> http://www.musicdirect.com/p-7681-vpi-hrx-with-jmw-127-arm.aspx
[14:21:56] <zeeshan> guy wants me to modify and recreate one piece
[14:22:01] <zeeshan> i didnt know turn tables got this expensive
[14:22:02] <zeeshan> wtf
[14:22:05] <zeeshan> its just a thing that spins
[14:22:21] <CaptHindsight> I can make you an even more expensive one
[14:22:26] * furrywolf sells zee's customer a set of $50,000 speaker cables
[14:22:31] <CaptHindsight> more accurate as well
[14:22:38] <archivist> audiophools are out there to be fleeced
[14:22:44] <zeeshan> haha
[14:22:45] <zeeshan> dude
[14:22:48] <zeeshan> this guy's basement
[14:22:53] <zeeshan> has those > cones
[14:22:55] <zeeshan> all over it
[14:23:00] <zeeshan> hardcore audiophile
[14:23:06] <archivist> phool
[14:23:10] <zeeshan> haha i like that archivist
[14:23:13] <zeeshan> audiophool
[14:23:16] <CaptHindsight> maybe those are Canadian $
[14:23:29] <PetefromTn_> that is good work I think
[14:23:43] <zeeshan> i know this much
[14:23:45] <zeeshan> if i had 15k to blow
[14:23:51] <zeeshan> i'd be buying a crazy machine
[14:23:57] <zeeshan> not some dinky little turn table
[14:24:02] <CaptHindsight> "The HR-X drive system consists of two ultra-low powered motors on either side of a seven-pound, center-mounted flywheel that spins at 500RPM." pfftt
[14:24:08] <archivist> never mind the science it has "Golden Ear Award"
[14:24:12] <PetefromTn_> there are actually turn tables that are quite a bit more expensive
[14:24:24] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: its silly to me lol
[14:24:33] <archivist> it is just silly
[14:24:34] <PetefromTn_> ya know I used to feel the same way
[14:24:38] <zeeshan> but i guess its peoples taste
[14:24:41] <CaptHindsight> I can custom make anyone a turntable starting at $1M
[14:24:42] <zeeshan> at the end of the day..
[14:24:48] <PetefromTn_> people said I was crazy to want a 3k pellet rifle
[14:24:49] <CaptHindsight> pass the word
[14:25:01] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i'd spend that much on a rifle :P
[14:25:02] <PetefromTn_> but once I got one I was like HOLY CRAP
[14:25:12] <archivist> people who have excess money only feel right buying expensive stuff
[14:25:13] <PetefromTn_> now I want to build some
[14:25:19] <zeeshan> archivist: it's not about the money
[14:25:21] <zeeshan> this is this guys hobby
[14:25:23] <PetefromTn_> I always tell myself
[14:25:29] <zeeshan> _at least_ he has a hobby
[14:25:30] <CaptHindsight> oh and the turntable come with a DJ 24/7 for one full year
[14:25:30] <PetefromTn_> if there were not guys like that
[14:25:32] <zeeshan> and he's not selling drugs
[14:25:39] <zeeshan> or wasting his life doing nothing
[14:25:43] <PetefromTn_> guys like me would not have anything cool to make
[14:25:48] <zeeshan> i have full respect for people with some sort of thing going for them
[14:25:50] <furrywolf> ... you can get a real gun for that much cash. a good one. or several. or like 60 mosins. :P
[14:26:11] <zeeshan> ofcourse there are people out there with more money than brains
[14:26:23] <zeeshan> like the ones that buy a tormach
[14:26:25] * zeeshan hides
[14:26:43] <PetefromTn_> I never feel that way anymore and the crazier the price tag on people's toys to me the more I realize there is some lucky bastard somewhere making them and making a good living
[14:26:44] <CaptHindsight> more money than free time
[14:26:48] <archivist> zeeshan, I used to work with audio, this expensive stuff is not better enough to justify the price
[14:26:55] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: nice way to think about it!
[14:27:26] <archivist> it is shiny though
[14:27:29] <PetefromTn_> the guys who want these badass RX7 cars for instance...they spend stupid money on building these cars
[14:27:37] <zeeshan> aesthetics are very important to some people
[14:27:38] <furrywolf> archivist: the worst part is... vinyl sounds like crap. :P
[14:27:44] <zeeshan> if that wasn't the case
[14:27:45] <archivist> people do polish turds
[14:27:45] <PetefromTn_> and if it were not for them the shop I am working in would not exist
[14:27:48] <zeeshan> some art pieces wouldn't cost 213903109318809328 $
[14:27:50] <furrywolf> don't mention that to audiophools though!
[14:28:05] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: yep
[14:28:08] <PetefromTn_> honestly I like vinyl too
[14:28:19] <CaptHindsight> I'll be happy to make most machine discussed here starting at $1M and I'll also include a skilled machinist for one year 24/7
[14:28:31] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: ill give you 1 peso
[14:28:31] <PetefromTn_> and have heard some really nice systems locally at the audiophile club meetings
[14:28:47] <archivist> it is not even parallel tracking like the machine that made the original pressing
[14:28:55] <furrywolf> let's say you buy a million dollar turntable... it'll (hopefully) do an excellent job reproducing the worn out, dusty grooves from some sun-hardened plastic stamped from a worn-out master 40 years ago that was made from a tape.
[14:28:56] <PetefromTn_> it is just another thing to play with and spend time with
[14:29:32] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: this isn't for cheapskates like you, it's for people that have more money than time or knowledge
[14:30:11] <PetefromTn_> there are LOTS of high end audio shops that cater to these people and make a good living. Is it wrong? I don't think so. they provide a service that is in demand whether other people think it is stupid or not
[14:30:14] <furrywolf> vinyl is cheap mass-produced media... you can't create quality that wasn't there to start with.
[14:30:37] <PetefromTn_> kinda like people who make stupid expensive Venus Demilo shaped vape pipes for people ;)
[14:30:56] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: unless the are blackmailed or forced at gunpoint to purchase them I don't see a problem
[14:31:01] <CaptHindsight> the/they
[14:31:11] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight that is exactly my point
[14:31:25] <archivist> willingly fleeced
[14:31:26] <PetefromTn_> the guys I make my rails for buy Scopes that cost in excess of $3k
[14:31:43] <PetefromTn_> I have seen/held/looked thru them and shot guns with them mounted
[14:31:47] <furrywolf> imho, by far the best place to spend your money for quality audio is on your speakers. nothing else, unless defective, chinese, or radio-shack, makes nearly as much difference.
[14:31:57] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: but there is a sunset of open hardware/software people that think that profit margins should have a limit
[14:32:00] <PetefromTn_> are they awesome.....yes....are they worth that much.....not to me
[14:32:32] <PetefromTn_> but that does not make me want to stop them from buying it or bitch about the guys selling them
[14:32:36] <CaptHindsight> I generally see ~25%, anything ore than that somehow becomes unethical
[14:32:47] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: lol
[14:33:00] <furrywolf> hrmm, rifles reminds me, I need to bring a 7.62x54 russian round to work tomorrow... someone was asking about them.
[14:33:06] <PetefromTn_> I think I have made my point
[14:33:11] <CaptHindsight> sunset/subset
[14:33:41] <archivist> we had an excess profits tax in the UK once upon a time
[14:33:48] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I want to get into making stuff for these kinds of people....might actually make some money around here then ;)
[14:34:22] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: you probably won't find them in here
[14:34:29] <furrywolf> I want to make new-age energy healing devices. :P
[14:34:31] <PetefromTn_> heh prolly not
[14:34:40] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[14:34:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah man I gotsta make da pyramids!
[14:35:08] <archivist> pet rocks
[14:36:08] <CaptHindsight> yeah, we need to find a way to popularize the pet hunk of iron
[14:36:51] <PetefromTn_> no man my round lugs of aluminum that come out the bottom after I machine one of my wheels....THOSE are beaties and I hear have magical healing properties
[14:37:29] <t12> i'm gonna try and make a sweet pet hunk of iron
[14:37:31] <furrywolf> see, to sell a $5000 turntable, it has to at least be capable of playing a record for people to buy it... but a $5000 healing device works no matter what it's made of.... :P
[14:37:33] <t12> of scraping in a 6" cast iron cube
[14:37:47] <PetefromTn_> rumor has it that if you put pocketfulls of aluminum chips in your pockets you will feel great all day long and inherit millions
[14:38:11] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: no, you have to pour acrylic around the aluminum chips, molding it into a pyramid shape.
[14:38:15] <CaptHindsight> are you certain, I heard it was copper :)
[14:38:23] <furrywolf> and, no, I'm not joking. that's an actual product. you can buy.
[14:38:32] <PetefromTn_> Hey man I got this hot glue gun
[14:38:37] <CaptHindsight> with crystals?
[14:38:52] <t12> i got the tiniest hammer at the fleamarket: https://www.dropbox.com/s/n358408pyxd51un/2015-09-20%2012.13.14.jpg?dl=0
[14:39:00] <t12> the tiny hammer collection grows
[14:39:03] <PetefromTn_> OK enough bullshitting gotta get some parts made here
[14:39:31] <furrywolf> http://mushroom.vezoora.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/O1.jpg
[14:39:40] <furrywolf> aluminum chips + rocks + used romex + acrylic = profit
[14:39:42] <t12> lol
[14:39:48] <t12> is that an ORGONE GENERATOR
[14:39:55] <archivist> t12, that is huge
[14:39:56] <furrywolf> yes. yes it is. :P
[14:40:00] <t12> lollin
[14:40:08] <t12> the whole orgone world is great entertainment
[14:40:11] <CaptHindsight> t12: I hear that the earliest tiny hammers were pebbles
[14:40:20] <t12> maybe i should just make a tinier hammer
[14:40:26] <zeeshan> furrywolf: whats that?
[14:40:29] <zeeshan> that looks cool
[14:40:31] <t12> how many microns can i get the face down to
[14:40:35] <furrywolf> zeeshan: an orgone generator.
[14:40:44] <t12> zeeshan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone
[14:40:57] <zeeshan> oh whatever that is
[14:41:00] <zeeshan> i like it as a sculpture
[14:41:10] <archivist> t12, in the toolbox :) http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2010/2010_07_27_tinware/IMG_0798.JPG
[14:41:28] <furrywolf> it's a way of turning your waste into money. :P
[14:41:34] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I sell Orgone energy in bottle and drums now
[14:41:50] <zeeshan> archivist: you made those?
[14:41:53] <t12> i've developed a way to send orgone energy
[14:41:55] <t12> to anyone on earth
[14:41:57] <t12> with no objects
[14:42:03] <t12> heres a picture of the crazy device that does it
[14:42:05] <t12> paypal here now
[14:42:07] <t12> for great health
[14:42:21] <t12> archivist: is that a collection of tiny things
[14:42:26] <CaptHindsight> t12: I hear that is doesn't stay fresh when beamed to the end user
[14:42:27] <t12> lol
[14:42:38] <archivist> t12, I made them
[14:42:43] <t12> nice!
[14:42:52] <zeeshan> t12 while you are here dissing them, the guys making them are getting rich
[14:42:53] <zeeshan> :-)
[14:43:05] <t12> money leaches your orgone energy away
[14:43:09] <t12> send all money here now
[14:43:13] <t12> i have a special containment unit
[14:43:14] <CaptHindsight> I'm setting up my production line today
[14:43:26] <zeeshan> archivist: send me one? :)
[14:43:36] <zeeshan> i really like the top right one
[14:43:38] <furrywolf> t12: if you paypal me $10, I'll tell you a surefire way to get people to send you $10 for doing absolutely nothing.
[14:43:38] <zeeshan> green and brass
[14:43:54] <CaptHindsight> I should found the Chruch of Orgone
[14:44:02] <CaptHindsight> if it hasn't been doe yet
[14:44:31] <archivist> zeeshan, the brass colour is actually the lacquer on the original tin plate
[14:44:39] <CaptHindsight> "he U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) obtained a federal injunction barring the interstate distribution of orgone-related materials, " the damn FDA again
[14:44:55] <furrywolf> lol
[14:44:56] <t12> hah yes
[14:45:05] <t12> and remember the FBI wants to suppress all orgone research
[14:45:18] <t12> they're just the lapdogs of the illuminati overlords though
[14:45:32] <t12> your only hope is to appeal to archangel michael through 8000x repetition of chants
[14:45:40] <furrywolf> the fbi doesn't want you countering the effects of the chemtrails.
[14:46:03] <CaptHindsight> hmmm, maybe if I reverse the plus and minus and call it Enogro energy
[14:46:07] <malcom2073> orgone, o is 6 characters in the alphabet away from i, 666, illuminati, confirmed!
[14:46:15] <t12> heres some example chants: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDBgbUmMt3o&t=3m2s
[14:47:00] <Jymmm> JUST LICK IT !!!
[14:47:01] <t12> chanting cult recordings are pretty awesome actually
[14:47:08] <CaptHindsight> t12: Enogro require no chanting, just seed money
[14:47:17] <Jymmm> t12: OZZY OZZY OZZY
[14:47:18] <t12> Enogro energy requires DEBT
[14:48:16] <CaptHindsight> and lots of reaping and sowing
[14:49:10] <furrywolf> ENOGRO... is that what happens when you try to grow a buffer with realloc and it fails? :)
[14:51:08] <t12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oax6wD4IJFk who knew husqvarna made motorcycles
[14:51:42] <CaptHindsight> also chainsaws and sewing machines
[14:51:51] <t12> and some firearms
[14:51:58] * furrywolf sighs and decides no one finds errno humor funny
[14:53:12] <t12> oh they only used to make guns
[14:56:49] <CaptHindsight> t12: any idea how Illumina arrives at the $1k per genome? The numbers don't add up?
[14:57:17] <CaptHindsight> 1 Genome = 3,000,000,000 (base pairs) x $0.02ea = $60,000,000
[14:57:39] <CaptHindsight> 50,000 (base pairs) x $0.02ea = $1,000
[14:58:31] <CaptHindsight> http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/18/beyond-the-1k-genome-dna-writing-comes-next-2/
[15:00:44] <CaptHindsight> the article jumps from decoding to synthesizing
[15:07:57] <ganzuul> http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/2000x2000/348/3485_2000x2000.jpg
[15:08:02] * ganzuul wants!
[15:08:47] <Jymmm> ganzuul: You'll clamp your eye out kid!
[15:09:36] <ganzuul> It's so... dreamy. :o
[15:09:52] <Jymmm> ganzuul: It's ONLY $180 http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200334217_200334217
[15:10:09] <furrywolf> I had one of those. It wasn't that great...
[15:10:12] <t12> illumina subsidizes it
[15:10:22] <furrywolf> I like my wilton much more. :)
[15:10:23] <t12> theu sell the 10x sequencer
[15:10:28] * pcw_home wonders if there is a Chinese "Milton" vice
[15:10:29] <t12> which is just 10 hiseqs
[15:10:44] <t12> and an agreement to only run human genome stuff on it
[15:10:50] <furrywolf> pcw_home: yep
[15:10:53] <t12> and an agreement for cheaper reagents
[15:11:00] <furrywolf> wilton has joined the trend of sticking their name on chinese garbage
[15:11:29] <furrywolf> they still sell us-made vises, but most are harbor freight grade chinese crap now.
[15:11:38] <t12> counting sequqncing in terms of human genomes is complex too
[15:12:05] <t12> it depends on accuracy, oversampling, acceptable losses, etc
[15:12:09] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, did you mean wilton?
[15:12:12] <Tom_itx> http://www.wiltontools.com/us/en/c/bench-vises/W110
[15:12:55] <pcw_home> No I meant Milton but maybe its all the same if Wilton vices are all chinese now
[15:13:11] <ganzuul> http://www.amazon.com/Grizzly-G7062-Multi-Purpose-5-Inch-Bench/dp/B0000DD5ZY
[15:13:13] <ganzuul> Cheaper
[15:14:19] <t12> lol at techcrunch just straight publishing an article written by twists ceo
[15:14:54] * furrywolf starts to wonder what the hell t12 is talking about
[15:14:56] <furrywolf> and who to
[15:15:19] <furrywolf> I have an older wilton vise on my workbench, it's nice... the newer ones seem very chinese.
[15:15:24] <t12> capthindsight
[15:15:27] <furrywolf> as in, might as well save the money and buy a harbor freight one
[15:15:47] <ganzuul> hm...
[15:16:36] <furrywolf> replacing good US products with shit chinese products is, sadly, a trend lately.
[15:17:28] <ganzuul> The Chinese and the Russians dumped steel in the US to drive the US steelworks out of business.
[15:18:23] <t12> hasnt us steel always been subsidized
[15:18:24] <Jymmm> Yeah, buy AMERICAN MADE TV/LCD's!!!
[15:19:00] <Jymmm> (Curtis Mathis circa 1990... The LAST american made tv... RIP)
[15:19:12] <ganzuul> Oxtools is making a vice. On youtube.
[15:19:20] <renesis> a vise?
[15:19:27] <Jymmm> a video vise
[15:19:34] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Elvsgswttc
[15:20:42] <CaptHindsight> t12: was wondering if that article even had an editor
[15:21:31] <MattyMatt> early 14c., "a winch, crane," from Anglo-French vice, Old French vis, viz "screw," from Latin vitis "vine, tendril of a vine," literally "that which winds," from root of viere "to bind, twist" (see withy).
[15:21:43] <t12> lol
[15:21:50] <t12> its techcrunch
[15:21:59] <t12> its just a fancier prnewswire
[15:22:17] <t12> why edit it exists to distribute press releases
[15:25:09] * furrywolf contemplates starting a vise/vice debate, but decides to go work on projects instead
[15:30:52] <ganzuul> Does there exist a tool which is some sort of eldrict crossing between a vice and a chuck?
[15:33:21] <MrSunshine> http://www.hemingwaykits.com/acatalog/HK1650Hall.jpg
[15:33:23] <MrSunshine> ?
[15:34:30] <MrSunshine> http://uanews.ua.edu/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/vice_b_4335.jpg ?
[15:34:32] <MrSunshine> Chuck Vice
[15:34:43] <renesis> anyway 4 jaw really
[15:37:15] <ganzuul> hmmm
[15:37:23] * ganzuul approves of the 2-jaw chuck
[15:37:54] <ganzuul> I
[15:37:54] <MrSunshine> was as close to a crossing between a vice and a chuck i could find :P
[15:38:34] <ganzuul> shall want a gear-actuated rotating table 2-jaw chuck
[15:38:50] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: If you get shitfaced daily, you can have both... a vise and chuck!
[15:39:12] <ganzuul> Or maybe a crankable table whith chuck fittings...
[15:39:28] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: Though I think that call that alcohol poisoning or some such thing
[15:40:03] <ganzuul> ~vise
[15:40:26] <ganzuul> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#vice_vise
[15:46:57] <Deejay> vice president
[15:47:16] <Deejay> yay
[16:19:52] <Sync> wtf
[16:20:00] <Sync> the precise spindle collets are strange
[16:20:36] <Sync> they use a collet in a taper holder
[16:27:09] <MattyMatt> ganzuul, can't you take 2 jaws off a 4 jaw?
[16:27:44] <MattyMatt> maybe make 2 wide jaws, if it's something flat you want to hold on edge
[16:31:03] <MattyMatt> my brace and bit has a 2 jaw for square shank bits. handy for tapping
[16:34:34] <furrywolf> mmm, it's amazing what spray wax does to old generators. :)
[16:45:40] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/pBTYUD6 - the most important CNC you will see today.
[16:45:44] <SpeedEvil> (not really)
[16:48:03] <furrywolf> ... they're probably manufactured individually. if you need specific colors, it's probably much more efficient to call up the factory and ask for a bucket of the color you need.
[16:49:21] <SpeedEvil> Well, yes.
[16:54:36] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/eu3000is0101.jpg anyone want to buy a generator? :)
[16:57:11] <JT-Shop> latency test after 5 days 13300
[17:01:51] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Nice, what mobo/cpu?
[17:03:52] <Jymmm> Battery included furrywolf? lol
[17:04:06] <furrywolf> Jymmm: brand new battery
[17:04:24] <furrywolf> AGM
[17:04:39] <Jymmm> furrywolf: *sigh, I know I shouldn't ask* how much and you guarnteeing it at all?
[17:05:04] <Jymmm> oh, it's not propane is it =(
[17:05:12] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/18-computer/29147-intel-cpu-on-board-motherboard-suggestion?start=20#62692
[17:05:15] <furrywolf> no, it's not propane.
[17:05:55] <furrywolf> I'm hoping for $1000. it's the one that has a new head, cylinder honed, new rings, etc.
[17:06:07] <JT-Shop> jitter runs around 500 most of the time
[17:06:47] <furrywolf> I took the picture to try trading it and a welder for a lathe... the guy said no trades, but I figured I'd see if shiny pictures impress him.
[17:07:40] <Jymmm> you need the bikini models around it =)
[17:08:06] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Carved-HOBO-NICKEL-Cyclops-Skull-Zombie-Folk-Art-Coin-OHNS-RM-1304-/151757578882 ... you know, hobo nickels are supposed to look at least something like a nickel. lol
[17:08:20] <furrywolf> as soon as I find some bikini models, I'll do that. :P
[17:08:52] <Jymmm> zeeshan: furrywolf is looking for you
[17:09:30] <Jymmm> furrywolf: "hobo nickle" ???
[17:09:30] <furrywolf> ?
[17:09:58] <furrywolf> Jymmm: coins hand-carved with different figures on them. a once-popular passtime of hobos.
[17:10:14] <furrywolf> now hobos just beg and do meth instead.
[17:10:20] <Jymmm> furrywolf: ah
[17:10:39] <Jymmm> furrywolf: did they sell them or just to pass the time?
[17:11:13] <furrywolf> dunno. I wasn't a hobo in the '30s. :P
[17:11:22] <furrywolf> probably sell them
[17:12:31] <Jymmm> K, cause I can engrave all those in wooden dollar easily
[17:13:55] <Jymmm> I already have the fixture made and everything =)
[17:15:20] <Jymmm> Bow saw blades... whats the difference between seasoned and green blades?
[17:19:33] <furrywolf> dunno
[17:19:51] <furrywolf> my guess would be one is meant for use on seasoned wood, the other on green wood... :P
[17:22:10] <Deejay> gn8
[17:29:44] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I've just heard there's both, but cudln't tell which ones I have
[17:30:36] <Jymmm> furrywolf: You still looking for DC clamp meter?
[17:30:59] <furrywolf> I was not the one looking for a dc clamp meter.
[17:31:04] <Jymmm> k
[17:33:37] <Jymmm> Ah.... "Raker tooth design for cutting green wood"
[17:34:27] <Jymmm> "Peg tooth design For cutting dry, seasoned wood"
[17:35:08] <Jymmm> Peg Tooth (dry/seasoned wood) == http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTAwWDUwMA==/z/IuoAAOSwqu9VBybL/$_12.JPG
[17:35:25] <PetefromTn_> man I am STILL making rails today LOL
[17:35:47] <PetefromTn_> got a bunch of them done now and gonna crank up the anodizing line because several get black anodize
[17:35:53] <Jymmm> Raker tooth (green) == http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDAwWDYwMA==/z/Ag8AAOSwrklU~OGi/$_12.JPG
[17:36:14] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: zebra annodize them
[17:36:31] * JT-Shop can't wait to see the anodizing line
[17:36:31] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: BEtter yet, oanda =)
[17:36:37] <Jymmm> panda
[17:36:54] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Just dont confuse it with the beer line
[17:37:04] <Jymmm> both are ice chests
[17:37:29] <JT-Shop> have you seen my brewery?
[17:38:02] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I meant PetefromTn_'s "annodiing line" == ice chests (iirc)
[17:38:06] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop it is just a bunch of coolers LOL
[17:38:23] <furrywolf> ever get a working power supply or at least a working current meter?
[17:38:29] <JT-Shop> that's what my line is too, but I've never fired it up
[17:38:32] <PetefromTn_> and I have yet to build the stand/enclosure for the stuff
[17:38:52] <PetefromTn_> I am NOT an expert here so I am just happy I can freaking do it at all now
[17:40:47] <JT-Shop> understand
[17:41:27] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Neither was Einstein
[17:42:12] <PetefromTn_> well actually Einstein WAS an expert?
[17:42:21] <Jymmm> Hmmm, weird. bowsaw blades actually seem kinda hard to find in the hardware stores (HD/lowes)
[17:42:43] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Nope, as he said, he just kew how to hide his sources well =)
[17:42:50] <Jymmm> knew*
[17:42:56] <furrywolf> that's because most people just replace the bowsaw.
[17:43:06] <Jymmm> furrywolf: sad, but true.
[17:43:27] <Jymmm> $7 for a HF bowsaw with two blades
[17:43:49] <furrywolf> I've never worn out a blade. if it's going to take that much cutting, I get some form of power saw.
[17:44:00] <enleth> PetefromTn_: what kind of rails are you making?
[17:44:35] <furrywolf> picatinny, probably. he likes making those.
[17:44:45] <Jymmm> furrywolf: The folding saw I have is 60yo and the original blade =)
[17:45:18] <PetefromTn_> enleth http://i.imgur.com/H7dRjUG.jpg
[17:45:43] <enleth> PetefromTn_: nice work.
[17:45:52] <PetefromTn_> thanks man...
[17:46:06] <PCW> JT-Shop: the H81/H97 with G32XX CPUs are very nice. low latency witn RTAI _and_ Preempt-RT and work especially well with Ethernet motion cards
[17:46:19] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/XmA6JNt.jpg
[17:46:20] <enleth> PetefromTn_: if someone told me it's factory made, I wouln't try to doubt them.
[17:46:32] <PetefromTn_> it IS factory made;)
[17:46:33] <jdh> it is, just a small factory
[17:46:55] <enleth> PetefromTn_: well, factory made as in the kind of factory that made the gun.
[17:47:07] <PCW> plus the 32XX is about as fast as the best I7 core for core and clock for clock
[17:47:10] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I think you should fire the employee ;)
[17:47:24] <PetefromTn_> I have a 25x25 square foot state of the Art CNC factory ;)
[17:47:49] <PetefromTn_> hell I even have a bandsaw!!!!
[17:47:50] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I think you should fire the employee for slacking off on irc
[17:47:56] <PetefromTn_> probably
[17:49:19] * JT-Shop guesses enleth has never seen tiawan factories
[17:50:00] <enleth> PetefromTn_: have you ever tried to make a cutaway model out of an broken gun? Like those engine cutaways that show the innards and permit some kind of movement to demonstrate the working principle. A friend of mine is a handgun enthusiast and when he saw my Bridgeport almost finished, he asked if it's possible to do such a cutaway on it.
[17:50:31] <enleth> Id's say sure, the b'port should be capable of that, but I have to assume there are lots of gotchas in there.
[17:52:15] <[cube]> try finding a cad and use a cross section view
[17:52:32] <[cube]> see what you're up against
[17:53:22] <enleth> [cube]: yeah, getting a useful, good-looking cutaway may be nontrivial
[17:53:28] <PetefromTn_> enleth no idea my friend never tried. I suppose it would depend on which gun you are talking about and how complex it is. Either way a decent bridgeport should be able to whittle thru it without too much drama.
[17:59:33] <enleth> PetefromTn_: he volunteered a late model TT-30 for a test. This is probably the cheapest and shittiest handgun one can get in post-soviet countries, his reasoning being that a successful cutaway is going to be worth a lot more than a working specimen, and a failed cutaway is a few bucks down the drain and lots of fun trying. I guess I should accept his offer when I get the hang of cutting reasonably compl
[17:59:39] <enleth> ex steel parts.
[18:01:16] <CaptHindsight> one of those phasers from Star Trek should do the trick, they even cut through solid rock in seconds
[18:02:01] <PetefromTn_> shit yeah man I want one too
[18:02:29] <PetefromTn_> enleth if it is a cheap gun what do you have to loose....just take your time and of course make sure it is not loaded LOL ;)
[18:02:41] <fenn> phaser = photon maser
[18:03:22] <CaptHindsight> think of all the uses, stun, heat rock, cut through stuff (obviously), trade it for a blaster etc
[18:03:36] <fenn> enleth wouldn't you want to grind it instead of trying to mill thin hardened steel parts?
[18:05:38] <enleth> fenn: what about a liberal application of a blowtorch to soften it up?
[18:05:55] <fenn> sure, bake it in an oven at 1600C for an hour
[18:07:17] <fenn> you'd have to take all the springs out beforehand and replace them after milling
[18:11:00] <enleth> fenn: oven/blowtorch and then dump it in dry sand, I guess
[18:11:37] <fenn> oops i meant 1600F
[18:11:47] <enleth> I figured.
[18:13:55] <CaptHindsight> be sure to take any bullets out of it first before baking
[18:14:06] <enleth> Besides, I wouldn't expect a standard issue Soviet piston to be made out of particularly high quality steel.
[18:14:10] <enleth> *pistol
[18:14:22] <enleth> But that should apply to pistons as well, duh.
[18:14:44] <SpeedEvil> Or you could just take an abrasive chop-saw to it
[18:14:48] <fenn> half of all pistols are below average
[18:14:57] <fenn> well something like that
[18:15:02] <enleth> In fact, I wouldn't expect a standard issue Soviet anything to be made out of high quality steel.
[18:16:17] <fenn> the only soviet thing i own (a zenit sniperscope) is of high quality
[18:16:26] <fenn> photosniper i mean
[18:16:49] <enleth> fenn: optics, sure, Arsat and Zenit made high quality lenses.
[18:17:54] <enleth> SpeedEvil: a chop saw won't cut a nice rectangular slot in the side
[18:19:52] <enleth> fenn: besides, a sniper scope might not be a standard issue item
[18:20:16] <fenn> yeah it's probably some spy tool
[18:20:51] <fenn> found at washington DC garage sale
[18:22:35] <SpeedEvil> enleth: Ah - I was assuming you meant to simply cut down the centreline
[18:22:49] <enleth> fenn: those guys figured out how to launch things into space and have them return in one, non-crispy piece, I have no doubt they were able to make high-quality machinery
[18:23:18] <enleth> But I would never trust something that Soviets made in the millions, for the common soldier.
[18:23:19] <SpeedEvil> enleth: 'standard issue'
[18:23:25] <SpeedEvil> err
[18:23:33] <SpeedEvil> nvm - I should actually read backscroll, sorry
[18:26:34] <fenn> does anyone know where i can find information about the "features" add-on
[18:27:41] <enleth> SpeedEvil: I think it would look best with slots cut into the sides in some interesting spots. I saw such a cutout of an aviation engine once, it was made so that the pistons could still move
[18:29:59] <fenn> ah i found it: https://github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features
[18:32:06] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or6mIaSWZ8g - is relevant.
[18:32:08] <SpeedEvil> (sort-of)
[18:40:12] <fenn> now i'm an expert in the J79 turbojet engine
[18:42:54] <XXCoder> nice video on monty hall problem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EbanrRUuy0
[18:43:22] <trentster> fenn: what exactly does that github linuxcnc-features do?
[18:43:26] <XXCoder> its weird statistic stuff.. suppose if youre in contest
[18:43:29] <XXCoder> theres 3 doors
[18:43:44] <XXCoder> you are to choose one door, one of those door has prize and other 2 has none
[18:44:00] <XXCoder> host opens one of other door that does not contain prize
[18:44:11] <XXCoder> host then asks if you want to change mind and switch door
[18:44:26] <XXCoder> whats chances on winning on orginial door and remaining unopened door?
[18:45:29] <furrywolf> the first door you picked has a 1/3 chance of being right. the other doors, combined, have a 2/3 chance of being right. but since he always opens one that's wrong, that 2/3 chance is entirely on the remaining door. duh?
[18:45:56] <XXCoder> furrywolf: indeed
[18:45:58] <malcom2073> That's like saying that if you fllip a coin 10 times, and 9 times are tails, what is your chance the remaining one will be heads?
[18:46:14] <malcom2073> Ah wait, I misread
[18:46:15] <XXCoder> I figured it pretty quickly but it is definitely counterinterive
[18:46:16] <furrywolf> no, it's not. :P
[18:46:19] <malcom2073> You're right
[18:46:24] * furrywolf didn't even watch the video
[18:47:18] <furrywolf> you're gaining additional information by his opening a wrong door.
[18:47:38] <malcom2073> That barn "treasure trove" yielded a craftsman riding mower with a bad steering gear, a john deer push mower, and some decent wicker furnature
[18:47:57] <malcom2073> Nothing great, but I didn't get tortured to the tune of banjos, so all in all a success
[18:48:13] <furrywolf> lol
[18:49:20] <jdh> for some, that might be the good part.
[19:16:08] <XXCoder> lol http://gaspull.geeksaresexytech.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/notice.jpg
[19:37:45] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYk9f99pIy0 I don't usually like random youtube videos, but someone linked to that, and it's pretty good. lol
[19:43:46] <XXCoder> i bet I see signs of funny. too bad not captioned
[19:44:42] * furrywolf has no idea how to even check if something is captioned
[19:44:49] <XXCoder> no CC icon
[19:46:31] <furrywolf> I thought it did that automagically?
[19:46:47] <XXCoder> google dont always autocaption videos
[19:46:50] <Tom_itx> zeeshan!!!
[19:46:56] <XXCoder> autocaption usually suck
[19:46:58] <Tom_itx> did you get it working?
[19:47:09] <XXCoder> people have to upload regular captions for specific language
[19:48:53] <furrywolf> yeah, after how badly it autocaptioned that car repair video you pasted... but why doesn't it do it on every video?
[19:49:11] <XXCoder> ask google. possibly user didnt like captions and deleted it
[19:50:58] <MacGalempsy> does anyone know if linuxcnc can handle index count on 2048 counts per rotation?
[19:51:24] <furrywolf> yes
[19:52:09] <furrywolf> that's not a particularly scary number. :)
[19:52:33] <MacGalempsy> when I try to just look at the pin, I cant see when it goes to true. how do I go about finding the index position?
[19:52:52] <MacGalempsy> halscope?
[19:53:27] <furrywolf> I haven't built my encoders yet, but I'd start there, yes.
[19:56:16] <MacGalempsy> cool I see the one count in there
[19:56:30] <MacGalempsy> thanks
[19:57:13] <furrywolf> Jymmm: I bet you'll like that youtube video.
[19:57:40] <MacGalempsy> The good thing is that index is where the tool changer lines up at zero
[19:57:48] <MacGalempsy> well, tool 1
[20:00:55] * furrywolf is attemping to pretend to know how to do anything with cloth and make a divider for a toolbag.
[20:01:55] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: my cam wont output it right
[20:01:58] <zeeshan> in the format we were discussing
[20:02:05] <zeeshan> but i got it to output it using g90 and g91
[20:02:10] <zeeshan> makes it harder to diagnose the loop
[20:02:19] <zeeshan> but whatever, at least i can still call subroutines in order..
[20:02:37] <zeeshan> man today was a really productive day
[20:02:51] <zeeshan> !
[20:03:48] <furrywolf> I need a table. somehow I don't have any flat space in the house.
[20:04:08] <XXCoder> tip a table
[20:04:10] <XXCoder> its now empty
[20:04:20] <furrywolf> that won't make one start existing.
[20:04:29] * furrywolf heads outside and fetches a sheet of plywood
[20:05:09] <zeeshan> furrywolf: spend some time
[20:05:11] <zeeshan> anmd build a damn table! :P
[20:06:45] <furrywolf> no room
[20:07:06] <XXCoder> shed
[20:19:09] <PetefromTn_> hey folks good evening..
[20:19:36] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Do you know if I can send serial commands from linuxcnc easily?
[20:19:48] <Tom_itx> i think you can but i don't know how
[20:20:31] <os1r1s> k
[20:22:36] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: For a toolchanger, do you think it would be better to have a different circuit (needing a stepper) interfaced to the linuxcnc box or do you think it would be better to try to control it as another axis?
[20:22:51] <malcom2073> You can tie a M command to python, and have that python send serial commands
[20:23:51] <os1r1s> malcom2073: Hmm, ok. That could work
[20:23:57] <XXCoder> wow
[20:24:01] <XXCoder> VW is in deep trouble
[20:24:10] <XXCoder> they probably will be fined $16 billion bucks
[20:24:14] <XXCoder> 37k per car
[20:24:15] <malcom2073> For what?
[20:24:37] <XXCoder> malcom2073: making malicious code in emissions that adjust emissions to passing quality only when tested
[20:24:44] <malcom2073> Bwahaha
[20:24:46] <malcom2073> That's awesome
[20:24:50] <XXCoder> so cars was generating smog badly
[20:25:15] <MacGalempsy> good thing I dont have any VWs!
[20:25:16] <Praesmeodymium> http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/vw-chief-epa-firm-skirted-clean-air-law-33897949
[20:25:26] <XXCoder> http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/09/20/volkswagen-ceo-martin-winterkorn-apologizes-epa-clean-air-act-emissions-violations/72519678/
[20:25:51] <XXCoder> 18 billion not 16
[20:26:03] <MacGalempsy> chump change
[20:26:24] <XXCoder> 18 billion? not really its quite a ouch for any company not in top 10
[20:27:08] <MacGalempsy> hopefully they dont have to close the porsche dept
[20:27:18] <malcom2073> "potentially exposing people to harmful pollutants at levels of 40 times the acceptable standard and respiratory conditions such as asthma."
[20:27:21] <malcom2073> Oh jesus fucking christ
[20:27:24] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: they now can't sell any 4 cyl diesel cars
[20:27:25] <malcom2073> sensationalist much?
[20:27:38] <malcom2073> It's not like they were piping exhaust into the car
[20:27:41] <XXCoder> malcom2073: 40 times is very serious
[20:27:42] <MacGalempsy> boo hoo
[20:27:56] <MacGalempsy> its probably an EPA set agenda
[20:28:03] <malcom2073> XXCoder: 40 times a very small number is still better emissions than most diesels on the road
[20:28:07] <XXCoder> malcom2073: single car its not much but total of all cars..
[20:28:22] <Contract_Pilot> I get a week off to play with lonuxcnc
[20:28:30] <Contract_Pilot> linuxCNC
[20:28:54] <XXCoder> loxcnc heh
[20:28:58] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Assuming that's 40 at all times, and not just 40x at times like during hard acceleration
[20:29:05] <MacGalempsy> Contract_Pilot: good luck, what are you making?
[20:29:12] <malcom2073> I still call that line sensationalist.
[20:29:51] <MacGalempsy> 40x 2015 levels is probably less that 1000x less 1950 values
[20:29:52] <Contract_Pilot> First I am trying to get my 12X36 lathe up and going.
[20:30:22] <Contract_Pilot> Right now i am playing with the Tormach Version Path Pilot/.
[20:30:23] <MacGalempsy> Contract_Pilot: sounds like a fun project. how far along are you on the automation?
[20:30:29] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: Or even 2015 standards for trucks, which aren't even held to emissions standards :P
[20:30:31] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: actually it was not 1000x bad, but yeah. leaded part was MUCH worse
[20:30:45] <furrywolf> it's "up to" 40 times, usually much less. and 40 times almost nothing is still almost nothing. and the "fix" makes it get worse economy, while the emissions are measured as percentage of tailpipe gasses, so lowering the percentage but increasing the total volume of tailpipe gasses results in MORE total pollution.
[20:30:48] <furrywolf> it's entirely bullshit, as usual.
[20:31:27] <MacGalempsy> the local airport quit selling 101 low level to normal ppl because the gov said they could see elevated lead levels along trails
[20:31:30] <SpeedEvil> More pollution of some classes, and lower NOX
[20:31:53] <Contract_Pilot> 100LL will not be banned!
[20:32:02] <MacGalempsy> its probably something more simple. Like Obama wanted a campaign contribution and VW said no.
[20:32:02] <Contract_Pilot> No replacement
[20:32:19] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: for what? hes already 2 termer
[20:32:21] <SpeedEvil> Exhaust pollution kills a substantial number of people a year
[20:32:30] <SpeedEvil> If you actually work the numbers.
[20:32:37] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: more money for the communist agenda
[20:32:45] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: yeah air quality kills lot of people a year
[20:32:45] <Contract_Pilot> yea, in Xi'an China it was bad!
[20:33:01] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: socialism != communist
[20:33:03] <MacGalempsy> I was in Japan in 2001 and the air in Yokohama was shit
[20:33:04] <jdh> did you get the dvd?
[20:33:26] <Contract_Pilot> Yep.
[20:33:30] <SpeedEvil> More in china.
[20:33:38] <SpeedEvil> But the number is very, very far from zero in the USA
[20:33:39] <Tom_itx> yeah i've heard that as well
[20:33:51] <Tom_itx> not near as bad as china though
[20:33:52] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Path-Pilot-Install-Mesa-Card-Required.jpg
[20:33:52] <SpeedEvil> Imposing a significant cost.
[20:33:55] <jdh> torrent?
[20:34:11] <MacGalempsy> well, all I can say is hopefully the $18 billion goes towards bringing down the national debt, but I bet that money is already being accounted for
[20:34:24] <Contract_Pilot> Left Alt + Shift will let you in to Linux.
[20:34:32] <XXCoder> one of things I look forward to is finally replacing airplane fuel to that new algae based fuel. no more leaded fuel
[20:34:47] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Path-Pilot-Install-Left-Alt-Shift.jpg
[20:35:00] <Contract_Pilot> XX you fly?
[20:35:10] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: know whats strange? mower is one of worse - running one for a hour is like driving 20 cars for a hour pollution wise
[20:35:25] <XXCoder> Contract_Pilot: no, I care about envorment
[20:35:29] <Contract_Pilot> jdh no torrent but did make a backup ISO
[20:35:40] <XXCoder> Contract_Pilot: and ironically I make lot airplane parts. sigh.
[20:35:43] <jdh> do you need offsite storage?
[20:35:57] <Tom_itx> hah
[20:36:10] <Contract_Pilot> I have it on one of my domains not sure i want to let it out right now.
[20:36:18] <furrywolf> again, the end result is MORE POLLUTION. the epa measures pollution as percentage of tailpipe gasses. the fix results in worse economy, resulting in more tailpipe gasses. although the percentage of the specific pollutant is lower, due to increase in total gasses, the result is MORE total emission of the same pollutant.
[20:36:28] <furrywolf> plus more emissions of CO2 and everything else.
[20:36:55] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: yeah, but most mowers only get about 3 hrs per wk
[20:37:05] <XXCoder> thankfully yes MacGalempsy
[20:37:08] <furrywolf> measuring pollution in grams/mile would make far more sense. but the epa doesn't like that.
[20:37:30] <XXCoder> furrywolf: probably due to corpration bri- donation
[20:38:02] <XXCoder> furrywolf: also nothing is perfect, that is why I drive 20 mpg van even though there is better ones
[20:38:48] <XXCoder> all I want is slowly moving on from renewable to renewable, with less pollution. we dont have earth backup after all.
[20:38:52] <furrywolf> also, that abcnews.go.com url is horribly broken. it's trying to load an infinitely long page of articles strung together.
[20:39:06] <XXCoder> its like that for me too
[20:39:14] <XXCoder> its new fad apparently as its annoying
[20:39:28] <XXCoder> so far I know of 3 websites like that
[20:39:59] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: More total emissions of CO2 does _NOT_ mean proportionally more NOX.
[20:40:14] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: It can easily be 5% more CO2 means 100* less NOX
[20:40:16] <furrywolf> I've seen ones that try to load a new article when you get to the bottom... that's just stupid and fucking annoying. this one is attempting to load the articles as fast as it can fetch them from the server and stick them into ram, which goes beyond annoying and into broken.
[20:40:31] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: deeply
[20:40:40] <XXCoder> agreed fur
[20:40:48] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: yeah NOX is far more dangerous than co2
[20:40:50] <SpeedEvil> I hate the 'jam massive unrelated ad in the middle of the text for another article
[20:41:00] <furrywolf> the real issue is certain interests with whole whole lots of money don't want to see fuel-efficient vehicles.
[20:41:03] <SpeedEvil> CO2 has 'no' prompt health costs
[20:41:08] <XXCoder> co2 ulmately will be big problem. or rather is now
[20:41:14] <SpeedEvil> NOX has massive ones.
[20:41:44] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: It is a bit wierd.
[20:41:51] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: this year has solid record hottest ever :( 2014 was nearly solid record hot
[20:41:52] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: Barring stuff like tesla
[20:42:22] <furrywolf> the article I read yesterday said the "up to 40 times" was misleading, and most of the time it was only a few percent or not at all, but they didn't mention that because that didn't sound nearly as scary. so if you get 10% worse economy for an average of 5% nox reduction... guess what, you're actually getting 5% more total.
[20:42:31] <XXCoder> furrywolf: its so hard to get fuel effiecent cars in usa. many companies has em... in other countries not usa
[20:42:35] <Contract_Pilot> have 3 166 oz-in steppers for the little spectralight mill on the way.
[20:42:56] <furrywolf> also, are you going to take your vehicle in for a recall that knocks 10% off the economy? I strongly doubt it. then they'll try claiming you're not allowed to drive your vehicle unless you get the recall...
[20:42:58] <Contract_Pilot> factory were 80-90 oz-inch
[20:43:00] <XXCoder> though I am really looking forward to elio
[20:43:14] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: It's not quite as simple as that - you may not care about emissions changing at highway speeds much
[20:43:21] <SpeedEvil> But in city driving speeds.
[20:43:39] <furrywolf> I want a subaru diesel, but subaru says it's not practical to comply with the epa's bullshit requirements. so we get 25mpg cars instead of 65mpg cars.
[20:43:44] <SpeedEvil> If that city driving has 10* the emissions, ...
[20:43:51] <SpeedEvil> Size is a _major_ issue
[20:44:14] <furrywolf> subaru gets 65mpg in an AWD crossover SUV.
[20:44:45] <roycroft> except european emissions controls are stricter than ours, and there are heaps of diesel cars in europe
[20:45:17] * furrywolf tries to find an actual primary source instead of news articles repeating each other, but doesn't find one
[20:45:28] <furrywolf> roycroft: no, they're much saner.
[20:45:38] <malcom2073> Hah, good luck, I'm of the firm belief that for the majority of news, there *is* no primary source.
[20:45:40] <XXCoder> motorcycles well it uses less fuel but more pollution. too bad
[20:45:56] <roycroft> carb notwithstanding, that's not the case
[20:46:09] <XXCoder> furrywolf: yeah sometimes news form feedback loops of bullshit
[20:46:17] <XXCoder> wish news cite more :(
[20:46:20] <furrywolf> http://www3.epa.gov/otaq/cert/documents/vw-nov-caa-09-18-15.pdf maybe (still downloading)
[20:46:27] <roycroft> carb is perhaps the most corrupt government regulatory board in the nation
[20:46:58] <roycroft> it's completely controlled by oil and auto manufacturing lobbyists
[20:47:18] <roycroft> and its focus is on consuming more oil and selling more cars, not on fuel efficiency and low pollution
[20:47:44] <XXCoder> probably walks around in sweat jeans with 2 small canes because its bent over and ready for all them lobbyists :(
[20:48:13] <roycroft> but some of us are smart enough not to live in california :)
[20:48:25] <Praesmeodymium> furrywolf: that news first came across ap wire by the looks of it
[20:49:16] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: I got a john deer push mower with swivel wheels, robotic mower!
[20:49:26] <furrywolf> it looks like the EPA doesn't actually have any numbers of their own, and is relying on 3rd-party tests.
[20:49:40] <furrywolf> and then VW admitting part of their software could be in violation.
[20:49:51] <Contract_Pilot> Ok, off i go to the other room to play a little.
[20:49:56] <roycroft> a roomba and a pair of scissors would work, wouldn't it?
[20:50:03] <Contract_Pilot> Still learning linux hahaha
[20:50:05] <furrywolf> and, of course, the epa page doesn't give any actual citations.
[20:50:06] <XXCoder> keep it private Contract_Pilot man! lol
[20:50:36] <malcom2073> roycroft: Thinkin too small
[20:50:50] <roycroft> a gaggle of roombas
[20:51:01] <malcom2073> Thinkin too big
[20:51:11] <SpeedEvil> Inverted quadcopter
[20:51:11] <roycroft> a coven of roombas?
[20:51:23] <malcom2073> SpeedEvil's got it
[20:51:28] <roycroft> i think a coven is generally smaller than a gaggle
[20:51:46] <XXCoder> coven of witches is 3
[20:52:20] <roycroft> thirteen
[20:52:23] <furrywolf> http://www.theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/WVU_LDDV_in-use_ICCT_Report_Final_may2014.pdf might have data (big download, still downloading)
[20:52:59] <renesis> this is about VW trolling the smog machines?
[20:53:09] <renesis> some project manager just got fired
[20:53:15] <furrywolf> yes
[20:54:01] <zeeshan-mill> this wood is getting raped!
[20:54:17] <renesis> if youre machining it i hope so
[20:54:35] <renesis> not worried about the dust gumming up your ways?
[20:54:46] <zeeshan-mill> theyre covered
[20:54:51] <renesis> cool
[20:55:21] <zeeshan-mill> and im not really getting dust
[20:55:25] <zeeshan-mill> im taking aggressive cuts
[20:55:27] <zeeshan-mill> its all chips
[20:55:31] <zeeshan-mill> just like metal
[20:55:56] <Tom_itx> subs working?
[20:55:59] <renesis> prob also because composite
[20:56:00] <zeeshan-mill> yea
[20:56:09] <zeeshan-mill> not the way we wanted to tom
[20:56:13] <zeeshan-mill> but i worked around
[20:56:21] <zeeshan-mill> renesis, wood machines the same
[20:56:25] <Tom_itx> how?
[20:56:31] <zeeshan-mill> mixture of g90 g91
[20:56:36] <zeeshan-mill> and setting the coordinates right
[20:56:40] <zeeshan-mill> thats how my cam is handling it
[20:56:56] <Tom_itx> repeated code/
[20:56:57] <Tom_itx> ?
[20:58:14] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Do you have any idea what type of encoder this is? http://www.cadcamcadcam.com/ProductImages/threadkit2.jpg
[20:58:52] <Tom_itx> nope
[20:59:15] <Tom_itx> US Digital makes some
[20:59:35] <jdh> looks like a us digital case, but everything taht size looks about the same
[20:59:36] <Tom_itx> there's that little one i linked for you
[20:59:45] <XXCoder> hm new cardboard 2v http://www.roadtovr.com/google-releases-open-source-plans-for-cardboard-v2-viewer/
[21:01:53] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Yeah, thinking about that. I just got back in town and I'm back to figuring that out :)
[21:04:39] <zeeshan-mill> no its still using subroutines
[21:05:12] <Tom_itx> can you post the main that calls them?
[21:05:26] <Tom_itx> just curious to see how it works
[21:05:41] <Tom_itx> compared to what i did
[21:05:44] <zeeshan-mill> dont wanna surf the web while the code is running
[21:05:48] <zeeshan-mill> will do it in a bi
[21:05:50] <zeeshan-mill> bit
[21:05:51] <Tom_itx> oh poo
[21:06:00] <zeeshan-mill> but basically its still doing
[21:06:01] <zeeshan-mill> o0001
[21:06:02] <zeeshan-mill> etc
[21:06:06] <zeeshan-mill> and call o0001
[21:06:11] <Tom_itx> ok
[21:06:16] <zeeshan-mill> its just that its settin the coordinates right before it calls em
[21:06:30] <zeeshan-mill> by using a combination of absolute and incremental mode
[21:06:36] <Tom_itx> if i ever need a sub i'll figure it out
[21:06:41] <Tom_itx> right now it's just a curiosity
[21:06:45] <zeeshan-mill> its basically changing the starting point of each tool path
[21:06:56] <zeeshan-mill> and using incremental mode for each tool path
[21:07:08] <Tom_itx> hmm
[21:07:30] <Tom_itx> i guess.. whatever works
[21:07:34] <zeeshan-mill> :P
[21:07:40] <zeeshan-mill> if im writing code by hand
[21:07:44] <zeeshan-mill> im using the technique we discussed earlier
[21:08:00] <zeeshan-mill> cause incremental mode sucks balls :P
[21:08:22] <Tom_itx> harder to return to where you were for sure
[21:08:31] <zeeshan-mill> exactly!
[21:08:37] <zeeshan-mill> cause all the positions are linked
[21:08:39] <zeeshan-mill> you mess up one
[21:08:41] <zeeshan-mill> and its game over :P
[21:08:51] <Tom_itx> i never use it
[21:09:06] <zeeshan-mill> its nice for hole patterns
[21:09:12] <zeeshan-mill> only time ill use it
[21:09:14] <Tom_itx> i searched my files to see if i'd ever used it and came up empty
[21:09:18] <renesis> yeah but the end of the path you just switch back to absolute and go to where you started if you need to be there
[21:09:22] <zeeshan-mill> haha
[21:09:48] <renesis> any repetitive pattern, g91 can be useful
[21:10:11] <Tom_itx> ot but anybody here have direct tv?
[21:10:17] <Tom_itx> looking at their packages
[21:10:41] <Tom_itx> still undecide who to go with
[21:11:26] <zeeshan-mill> dont watch tv!!
[21:11:29] <zeeshan-mill> itll suck you in!!
[21:11:40] <Tom_itx> i don't very much at all but i'm not the only one here
[21:12:00] <Tom_itx> i may use it for background noise while programming etc
[21:12:04] <zeeshan-mill> a comparison between al and wood
[21:12:14] <zeeshan-mill> when im machining al i can feel vibrations on the table
[21:12:22] <zeeshan-mill> with this wood crap i dont feel anything
[21:12:26] <zeeshan-mill> and im taking much more aggressive cuts
[21:12:30] <Tom_itx> it's softer
[21:12:33] <zeeshan-mill> wayyyy softer
[21:12:36] <zeeshan-mill> i estimate 10 times softer
[21:12:45] <Tom_itx> doesn't transfer vibration as much
[21:12:57] <Praesmeodymium> I'm on directtv
[21:12:58] <zeeshan-mill> listen to music not background music
[21:13:03] <zeeshan-mill> er background tv
[21:13:06] <Praesmeodymium> cheapest packeage they got
[21:13:16] <furrywolf> Tom_itx: I suggest going with the "kill your TV" package.
[21:13:36] <furrywolf> I used to install directv... it doesn't matter if you have 2000 channels, there's still nothing on. :P
[21:13:41] <Tom_itx> i figured i'd get such response in here
[21:13:51] <Praesmeodymium> I'm totally ignoring a rugby match as we speal
[21:14:14] <zeeshan-mill> furry yay
[21:14:18] <zeeshan-mill> finally we agree on something
[21:14:21] <furrywolf> people would ask me that very question, then look at me like I'm nuts when I told them I didn't have a TV. :P
[21:14:23] <zeeshan-mill> and your hatred is appreciated!!
[21:14:23] <zeeshan-mill> :P
[21:14:34] <Praesmeodymium> Tom_itx: I do find it less irritating than the local cable was but not by much
[21:14:49] <Tom_itx> what about bad weather?
[21:14:53] <furrywolf> they seemed to think directv installers must like tv, rather than, say, liking money.
[21:15:04] <Praesmeodymium> yeah it can cut out during a heavy shower
[21:15:19] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: I had no issues in the weather with dtv
[21:15:20] <Tom_itx> do you get the broadcast local channels?
[21:15:25] <Praesmeodymium> but for the most part its ok, the longest interruption I had was maybe 20 min
[21:15:26] <furrywolf> you might lose signal during extremely strong weather events. they're VERY rare. IFF your dish is properly secured and aimed.
[21:15:31] <Praesmeodymium> I do
[21:15:41] <furrywolf> if the dish is floppy, you'll lose signal in the wind. if the dish is misaimed, you'll lose signal in the rain.
[21:15:51] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Wind caused more pain than rain
[21:15:59] <furrywolf> if your installer is competent, you'll be unlikely to ever lose signal.
[21:16:00] <XXCoder> pain rain
[21:16:10] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: But it would take 30 mph winds for me to lose anything
[21:16:18] <os1r1s> So very rare
[21:16:19] <zeeshan-mill> is there a builtin way
[21:16:23] <Tom_itx> if some kid shows up i may just tell him to take a hike
[21:16:23] <zeeshan-mill> to show running time
[21:16:25] <zeeshan-mill> of a program ?
[21:16:28] <Praesmeodymium> must be a little misaimed, I do lose signal but only when the sky is opening up and god is telling us its too late and we shoulda built the boat
[21:16:46] <Tom_itx> os1r1s, we get 70mph straight line winds sometimes
[21:16:47] <furrywolf> Tom_itx: the kids are often ok. it's the crooks you need to watch out for. they're harder to identify.
[21:17:12] <furrywolf> Praesmeodymium: that might count as an extremely strong weather event. :)
[21:17:20] <Tom_itx> ok back to linuxcnc...
[21:17:22] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: I would think you would be fine. I consider the concern about bad weather cable company FUD
[21:17:29] <Tom_itx> sorry for the commercial break
[21:18:03] <furrywolf> if you get a free installation deal, keep in mind that free installation does not include going under your house, going in your attic, running a wire down a wall, mounting on a post, or anything other than screwing the dish to the side of your house, running the wire down the wall, then through the wall.
[21:18:26] <furrywolf> expect additional charges for any of that
[21:18:38] <Tom_itx> furrywolf, my cable all terminates in an easily accessable room in the basement
[21:19:00] <furrywolf> however, the crooks will invent bullshit charges. I had to clean up the mess caused by a crook that sold all the customers non-existant "boosters" for $300 a pop, then skipped town...
[21:19:11] <Tom_itx> can they use exhisting splitters to the tv boxes?
[21:19:30] <furrywolf> no. there are no splitters in a directv system.
[21:19:47] <Tom_itx> how do they wire up a 4 room system then?
[21:20:05] <Praesmeodymium> its a powered little box in my basement attached to the lines
[21:20:25] <furrywolf> for a variety of reasons... the receiver boxes send power to the dish, which can not go through a splitter. the receiver boxes send control signals to the dish, which can't go through a splitter, and the dish would be very confused if it could. and, the frequencies are over what splitters can handle.
[21:20:37] <Tom_itx> so they wire the exhisting cable lines to a box?
[21:20:40] <furrywolf> they use a switch. it's like a splitter, but has active electronics in it.
[21:20:53] <Tom_itx> then out to the channel selector boxes?
[21:20:59] <Praesmeodymium> I have a dummy splitter I am sure after my switch
[21:20:59] <furrywolf> 4 and 8 port ones are standard. 4 port ones usually run off the receiver power, 8 port ones usually have a wallwart.
[21:21:15] <XXCoder> switch does regenerate signal
[21:21:25] <XXCoder> so outputs would have equal power as input
[21:21:37] <furrywolf> switches do NOT daisy-chain well. I've tried. so all your lines have to terminate at one point so they can put in one switch with the appropriate number of ports.
[21:21:54] <Tom_itx> that's not a problem here
[21:21:59] <Tom_itx> they all do currently
[21:22:31] <furrywolf> installing simple exterior lines, or lines in a basement and up a hole in the floor, will be covered by the free installation. crawlspaces and wall fishes usually won't be. especially crawlspaces. everyone hates crawlspaces. :P
[21:22:34] <Tom_itx> i'm not gonna wire all the rooms anyway
[21:22:46] <Praesmeodymium> nvm lol upon a closer inspection while it looks like a dummy splitter one of the lines says "dc power in"
[21:22:57] <CaptHindsight> do the Direct TV antennas have a block downcoverter?
[21:23:08] <furrywolf> yes
[21:23:42] <furrywolf> or several depending on how many sats they pick up. I think they have a 5-sat dish now. :)
[21:23:52] <furrywolf> they didn't have those back when I was installing. heh.
[21:24:41] <CaptHindsight> Dish has up to 4, but I think only 3 are used per coast
[21:25:12] <furrywolf> dtv has a lot of international programming, which is what most of the 4th and 5th birds are, I think.
[21:25:13] <CaptHindsight> I used get both east and west feeds using 4
[21:25:50] <furrywolf> you can get indian, chinese, arab, etc packages
[21:26:32] <CaptHindsight> yeah same for Dish but those were all something ~$20ea/month for only a single or few channels
[21:26:41] <furrywolf> http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/Winegard/DirecTV-KA-Dish.gif there's an ancient one with labels added for the orbital slots. the current ones aren't nearly as kludgey, and are all one unit.
[21:27:25] <CaptHindsight> where i got some equipment, Dish was all curious how and where I got my setup
[21:27:30] <furrywolf> http://www.thesatelliteshop.net/images/HD%20SlimLine%20Dish%20Antenna%20w%20SL5%20LNB%20.jpg current ones look like that
[21:28:02] <CaptHindsight> like it's rocket science to install a multi-sat antenna and receiver system
[21:28:28] <furrywolf> from how bad some of the installs I've seen have been, including those by supposedly professional installers, it apparantly is.
[21:28:31] <CaptHindsight> yeah Dish is similar
[21:29:14] <furrywolf> for one, you can't staple cables. you have to use flexclips. and yet some installers use staples, many of which are THROUGH THE FUCKING WIRE. because they're rushing too much to bother aiming the stapler.
[21:29:30] <furrywolf> and then it stops working and the only fix is to rip out the entire cable run and start over.
[21:30:10] <furrywolf> the only acceptable staples are the ones that have built-in plastic clips. plain wire staples are never to be used.
[21:31:12] <furrywolf> http://static.rapidonline.com/catalogueimages/Module/M079423P01WL.jpg if you see your installer using those, throw him or her off your property.
[21:32:04] <furrywolf> satellite uses much higher frequencies than cable, at the very upper limit of what the wire can handle. if you mush the dielectric at all, you get unacceptable losses. no staples, and proper bend radiuses must be used.
[21:32:14] <roycroft> i've been using those staples for phone/network/tv cabling for 40 years and have never pierced a cable with a staple nor had a staple-caused failure
[21:32:28] <roycroft> bare wire staples are not inherently bad
[21:32:32] <roycroft> but they must be installed properly
[21:32:43] <renesis> so growing up in apartments, its pretty amazing how random coax performance is, related to install
[21:32:46] <roycroft> including using the correct length of staple for the cable and substrate
[21:32:48] <furrywolf> roycroft: on satellite tv rg6, they're inherently bad.
[21:32:57] <renesis> like, step on a cable run, knock out the tv signal
[21:33:11] <furrywolf> they pinch the dielectric when installed, and cause loss.
[21:33:14] <renesis> but someplace else it unscrew and disconnected a mm, signal gets through fine
[21:33:28] <renesis> like, 100 unterminated outlets
[21:33:44] <renesis> tons of dead cable, but that shit mostly worked
[21:34:07] <furrywolf> dtv does not like unterminated outlets. the switches come with terminators to install on unused outputs. you usually won't notice a problem without them, but I have seen problems.
[21:35:22] <zeeshan-mill> http://imgur.com/SAt5H0Y
[21:35:49] <renesis> machines like wax
[21:36:11] <furrywolf> http://www.mdtool.com/image/cache/data/S4BLK-700x700.jpg your installer should use those. last I heard they were the only approved way of running new cable.
[21:36:54] <furrywolf> I did mostly internet installs rather than tv installs, and our requirements were even tougher - for example, solid copper cable. no cheapo copper clad steel. :)
[21:37:10] <CaptHindsight> renesis: so you never had any problems with 50% aluminum braid shielded RG-59 run 875ft to your set in youe 200 unit apartment building? :)
[21:37:57] <renesis> if we did they would just be like FUCKIT and run a 450ft line and it would work
[21:37:57] <furrywolf> that had better be a roughing pass.
[21:38:03] <renesis> leave the old dead cable behind
[21:38:11] <furrywolf> also, those look like dildos made from super bouncy balls.
[21:38:44] <renesis> wtf do you melt super bouncy balls and then mold them into doldo blanks which you cnc finish?
[21:38:52] <furrywolf> that may be the most colorfull milling project I've seen. :P
[21:39:08] <renesis> okay this is something you thought up its not a thing
[21:39:42] <furrywolf> as far as I know, it's not a thing. lol
[21:43:05] <renesis> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polybutadiene
[21:43:19] <renesis> super bouncy balls invented by russians
[21:43:47] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1SgmFa0r04 interesting
[21:43:59] <XXCoder> renesis: according to Pavel everything was invented in russia lol
[21:44:11] <Tom_itx> zeeshan those look like smurf butts
[21:44:22] <XXCoder> renesis: specifically, Pavel Chekov
[21:44:44] <renesis> thats means theyre guy butts because there were no real girl smurfs
[21:45:23] <XXCoder> orginial lady smurf was.. not nice. author was quite mygonstic
[21:45:23] <furrywolf> star trek was a russian inwention!
[21:45:28] <PetefromTn_> uH hello smurfette!!!!
[21:45:38] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: she was made by that druid
[21:45:40] <renesis> smurfette wasnt really a smurf
[21:45:46] <XXCoder> so no natural female smurf
[21:45:46] <renesis> gargamel made her
[21:45:53] <PetefromTn_> she was to me....
[21:45:57] <renesis> she just looked like a smurf
[21:45:59] <XXCoder> ohhhh
[21:46:20] <XXCoder> furrywolf: yep lol
[21:46:22] <furrywolf> ... who the hell knows the background, names, or stories of smurfs? lol
[21:46:24] <Tom_itx> way too much smurf trivia here....
[21:46:39] <furrywolf> all I know is they're blue people from some kids cartoon.
[21:46:44] <XXCoder> furrywolf: smurfs was one of rare captioned cartoons
[21:46:47] <XXCoder> soo....
[21:47:00] <Contract_Pilot> Cannot mount my USB
[21:47:01] <renesis> there was only one girl and the one girl was actually a plot by the guy who was trying to eat them
[21:47:06] <XXCoder> I also watched that captain planet show for much of same reason
[21:47:49] <renesis> thats show was pretty bad
[21:47:51] <Contract_Pilot> do not think it ever worked in linux
[21:47:55] <renesis> you didnt have ninja turtles?
[21:47:56] * furrywolf knows very little about cartoons
[21:48:12] <XXCoder> renesis: yep but was half on half off for captions
[21:48:17] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy shower time
[21:48:24] <renesis> xxcoder: ha weird
[21:48:39] <XXCoder> never watched that very pariotic tv show vs snakes one (forgot title) because no captions
[21:48:44] <renesis> xxcoder: wait like, some of it was captioned, or some eps were captions and some werent
[21:48:54] <renesis> cowabunga and radical maybe dont translate
[21:48:59] <XXCoder> more basic stuff with lots visual funny i loved em, like tom and jerry
[21:49:06] <renesis> gi joe
[21:49:06] <XXCoder> renesis: budget
[21:49:10] <renesis> oh
[21:49:34] <renesis> yeah gi joe was like 80s cold war end game shit
[21:49:34] <XXCoder> renesis: though sometimes I play ad-lib game with noncaptioned show
[21:49:39] <renesis> like rambo
[21:50:06] <renesis> xxcoder: haha thats prob more fun than we had just sitting there
[21:50:07] <os1r1s> renesis: I think GI joe was 50s
[21:50:22] <XXCoder> closer to 70s
[21:50:23] <renesis> the action figures, originally
[21:50:23] <furrywolf> when I was a kid, I went outside and did things. you're all weird. kids these days. :P
[21:50:28] <XXCoder> extending into 80s
[21:50:57] <renesis> pretty sure it wasnt one continuous cartoon
[21:50:59] <XXCoder> furrywolf: also played outside a lot. not much else when youre so poor
[21:51:05] <SpeedEvil> https://imgur.com/gallery/dflXHSu - holy shit that was close.
[21:51:09] <CaptHindsight> the original GI Joes were ~12" tall
[21:51:14] <os1r1s> 1964
[21:51:22] <renesis> right the 80s ones were like 3" tall
[21:51:31] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: damn
[21:51:34] <CaptHindsight> only had the 12" ones
[21:51:50] <renesis> all mine were 80s with the hook and rubber band torso
[21:52:05] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: https://i.imgur.com/Y2HUFSE.png
[21:52:11] <XXCoder> thats how close
[21:52:22] <XXCoder> he got lucky it slid around
[21:52:33] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[21:52:45] <SpeedEvil> Another inch, and he's possibly lost an arm
[21:53:31] <zeeshan-mill> gi jane
[21:53:33] <zeeshan-mill> SEcksi
[21:54:39] <furrywolf> so that's why the mythbusters tested that.
[21:58:11] <os1r1s> Thoughts on HEDS encoders vs AMT102?
[21:58:26] <Tom_itx> heds are ok
[21:58:29] <Tom_itx> i've got a few
[22:00:06] <furrywolf> bbl
[22:00:35] <PetefromTn_> I have used both
[22:02:36] <os1r1s> Any gotchas with linuxcnc/mesa?
[22:02:48] <os1r1s> This is for a spindle, so up to 10k rpm
[22:03:16] <zeeshan-mill> http://imgur.com/SHQALuN
[22:03:19] <PetefromTn_> I am using a nice one for my spindle
[22:03:19] <zeeshan-mill> yea!!
[22:03:39] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan nice
[22:03:41] <zeeshan-mill> PetefromTn_, you have it hooked up on a pulley?
[22:03:45] <zeeshan-mill> the spindle encoder?
[22:03:48] <PetefromTn_> no
[22:03:51] <zeeshan-mill> i remember you talking about it a while back
[22:03:58] <PetefromTn_> it is mounted directly to the motors shaft
[22:04:05] <zeeshan-mill> nice
[22:04:08] <PetefromTn_> shaft spins UP TO 12k
[22:04:19] <zeeshan-mill> theres a 2:1 ratio
[22:04:22] <zeeshan-mill> between your spindle and motor right?
[22:04:23] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: Which one?
[22:04:25] <zeeshan-mill> i remember something like that
[22:04:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah 2-1
[22:04:37] <PetefromTn_> hang on I am trying to find a link
[22:04:39] <zeeshan-mill> so your spindle can do 24k?!?
[22:04:41] <zeeshan-mill> jeez!
[22:04:44] <PetefromTn_> I wish LOL
[22:04:50] <zeeshan-mill> 6000
[22:04:51] <zeeshan-mill> ah
[22:04:56] <zeeshan-mill> still wayyy faster than mine
[22:04:59] <zeeshan-mill> im at half that
[22:05:18] <PetefromTn_> whats the big electronics supplier again?
[22:05:22] <zeeshan-mill> digikey?
[22:05:24] <zeeshan-mill> mouser?
[22:05:25] <PetefromTn_> thats it
[22:05:27] <PetefromTn_> hang on
[22:05:40] <CT_Pilot_LCNC> on the linux box
[22:06:18] <XXCoder> 27k here but then its not powerful (500w)
[22:06:45] <PetefromTn_> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/0/516-2750-ND
[22:07:13] <PetefromTn_> avago technologies HEDS encoder
[22:07:18] <PetefromTn_> very nice unit
[22:07:27] <PetefromTn_> has worked great for my VMC for awhile now
[22:07:28] <XXCoder> looks like 8 bit encoder
[22:08:06] <XXCoder> oh miscounted. 10 wires. may be still 8 bit dunno
[22:08:08] <PetefromTn_> it is differential as I recall
[22:08:44] <CT_Pilot_LCNC> linux does it need drivers or somthing to mount the USB drive
[22:09:03] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: Thas exactly what I was looking at
[22:09:18] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: How did you mount it?
[22:09:34] <CT_Pilot_LCNC> trying to figure that out new to linux \
[22:11:40] <PetefromTn_> I machined a little custom mount for it
[22:11:50] <PetefromTn_> used thier cad drawing to locate the holes
[22:13:14] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan ya there?
[22:16:50] <PetefromTn_> os1r1s what are you planning to use it on?
[22:17:08] <os1r1s> sherline motors
[22:17:21] <os1r1s> on a mill and a lathe
[22:17:34] <PetefromTn_> what size are the motors?
[22:18:04] <os1r1s> The spindle is a DC motor
[22:18:14] <os1r1s> Not sure how to describe the size
[22:18:20] <CT_Pilot_LCNC> diffrent usb stick works
[22:18:32] <PetefromTn_> oh okay spindle motors should work okay
[22:18:48] <PetefromTn_> this one has worked for me for almost a year now without issue
[22:19:25] <os1r1s> Awesome
[22:19:29] <PetefromTn_> I had the AMT encoders on the shafts of my Servo motors on the RF45 I built and they are not bad either. I would recommend the Avago tho for a spindle over the other one
[22:19:44] <os1r1s> Do you know the diff between the HEDL vs HEDM?
[22:20:11] <os1r1s> encoder line driver vs transmissive encoder
[22:20:18] <os1r1s> But I'm not sure what that means in practicality
[22:20:27] <CaptHindsight> check for used Avago encoders on ebay
[22:20:54] <PetefromTn_> I think it was only like $50
[22:21:59] <CT_Pilot_LCNC> i got 3 new 166 oz motors Automation Direct surestep on fee-bay for 40.00 the other day for my sherline/spectralight machine
[22:22:56] <CT_Pilot_LCNC> i think the originals were 80-90 oz
[22:23:28] <os1r1s> CT_Pilot_LCNC: I have those on my taig mill and cnc lathe
[22:23:33] <os1r1s> They work nicely
[22:25:02] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-75kw-750W-AC-servo-motor-drive-set-1PH-220V-2-4NM-modbus-2500ppr-CNC-new-/201344944375?hash=item2ee11808f7 Wonder if these are dogshit or not....
[22:25:45] <Tom_itx> i think os1r1s is looking for one with a shaft
[22:26:19] <Tom_itx> since he will need access to the end of the spindle
[22:26:31] <Tom_itx> or are you gonna drive the encoder from the motor directly?
[22:26:40] <Tom_itx> i ran mine off the spindle
[22:26:52] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Servo-Motor-750-Watt-2000-RPM-220V-With-Servo-Driver/151791787971?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D392e62558c0c4f4da19be0474a145b73%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D201344944375
[22:26:57] <PetefromTn_> or dat one
[22:27:09] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: I'm not sure. I'm debating on that. The spindle side is a pain to get to, but I could likely put one on the motor ahead of the pulley
[22:27:20] <os1r1s> That would be easiest
[22:27:31] <Tom_itx> spindle wasn't bad on mine
[22:27:46] <Tom_itx> i trimmed the pulleys down a bit
[22:28:10] <os1r1s> What belt/pulley setup did you use?
[22:28:24] <os1r1s> For the encoder
[22:28:46] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/spindle_enc6.jpg
[22:28:51] <Tom_itx> there's the belt pn
[22:28:55] <Tom_itx> sdp-si
[22:29:07] <Tom_itx> 1:1 drive
[22:29:31] <os1r1s> Did you bore out that pulley for the spindle?
[22:29:41] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/new_pulley_mounted1.jpg
[22:29:43] <Tom_itx> drive belt
[22:29:47] <Tom_itx> yes i bored them out
[22:30:10] <Tom_itx> iirc they were all .250
[22:30:23] <Tom_itx> i had to bush the one for my encoder
[22:32:56] <CT_Pilot_LCNC> Yea post office delivering them tomarrow.
[22:33:33] <zeeshan-mill> hi pete
[22:34:05] <CT_Pilot_LCNC> Ok, i am going to install clean weezy and see if i c an get path pilot to load there.
[22:34:24] <PetefromTn_> hey man
[22:34:49] <CT_Pilot_LCNC> hope all i need to do is copy over the dir \
[22:35:10] <CT_Pilot_LCNC> may just boot the live CD
[22:35:20] <CT_Pilot_LCNC> BBL \
[23:21:11] <zeeshan-mill> found a bug in linuxcnc
[23:21:18] <zeeshan-mill> not a big one really..
[23:21:24] <zeeshan-mill> the red trace lines of where the tool has been
[23:21:26] <zeeshan-mill> automatically erase
[23:21:35] <zeeshan-mill> when youre running a massive program
[23:22:35] <XXCoder> it may be case that it has limited length
[23:34:10] <Wolf_Mill> i noticed the fadeing toolpath trace too
[23:34:22] <Wolf_Mill> figured it was a feature
[23:43:10] <zeeshan-mill> hehe
[23:44:26] <furrywolf> what is it with glue drying times having no relation to reality? I got some glue that claims to dry in 2-4 hours. it's been 3 hours. it's as liquid as it came out of the bottle.
[23:44:44] <XXCoder> furrywolf: depends a lot on envorment
[23:45:15] <furrywolf> I decided sewing was way too much work, so I'm gluing the toolbag divider. :)
[23:45:24] <Wolf_Mill> zeeshan-mill: thats some odd looking wood
[23:45:55] <XXCoder> heh I remember one time I used wood glue to repair my holser for sidekick 2
[23:46:00] <XXCoder> the fix lasted years
[23:46:01] <zeeshan-mill> yea man
[23:46:08] <zeeshan-mill> i like how it looks
[23:46:13] <zeeshan-mill> been working on it too long :P
[23:46:31] <Wolf_Mill> is that acrylic?
[23:46:32] <furrywolf> with those colors, are you SURE it's for tobacco? :P
[23:46:52] <furrywolf> got a newer picture than the last one I saw? (very rough pass)
[23:47:05] <furrywolf> Wolf_: it's stabilized wood... wood infused with plastic resin.
[23:47:06] <XXCoder> yeah pics or didnt happen lol
[23:47:53] <Wolf_Mill> I dont know shit about fancy wood
[23:48:01] <zeeshan-mill> i posted one
[23:48:12] <zeeshan-mill> http://imgur.com/SHQALuN
[23:48:44] <Wolf_Mill> thats the one i saw, didnt scroll back far
[23:49:05] <furrywolf> so no newer pic then
[23:49:06] <Wolf_Mill> got home from moms about a hour ago
[23:49:32] <furrywolf> or is that a newer one? imgur has broken their website so it now takes forever to load.
[23:49:36] <XXCoder> zeeshan-mill: so its progressing well
[23:49:43] <furrywolf> ah, yep, that is a newer one.
[23:49:50] <XXCoder> theres irc script to strip imur to get direct link
[23:49:50] <zeeshan-mill> http://imgur.com/Oif2ETM
[23:50:34] <furrywolf> that wood doesn't even look like wood. I don't know why he doesn't just make them out of plastic. lol
[23:50:48] <zeeshan-mill> its got the wood grain in it
[23:50:50] <XXCoder> prestage sells
[23:51:20] <zeeshan-mill> it makes each one unique
[23:51:22] <furrywolf> how do they get different colors in different parts of the wood? put it through the stabilizing process several times with different parts submerged?
[23:51:30] <Wolf_Mill> did drag more rusty shit back to my house...
[23:51:40] <zeeshan-mill> no idea :P
[23:51:54] <Wolf_Mill> 18" lutz rule
[23:51:58] <zeeshan-mill> it looks like they vacuum bag different regions of it
[23:52:23] <furrywolf> did the 4th one crack?
[23:52:44] <zeeshan-mill> its got a major defect in the wood
[23:52:49] <zeeshan-mill> it didnt crack
[23:52:51] <furrywolf> the yellowish one
[23:52:56] <furrywolf> ah
[23:53:11] <zeeshan-mill> he can fill that no prob
[23:53:14] <furrywolf> not visible before you started?
[23:53:15] <zeeshan-mill> ive been saving some shavings
[23:53:18] <zeeshan-mill> yep
[23:53:19] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[23:53:22] <zeeshan-mill> was a suprised
[23:53:46] <XXCoder> man I lov the colors.
[23:53:47] <furrywolf> speaking of shavings, what did you end up doing for wire routing? get a boring bar holder?
[23:54:22] <zeeshan-mill> i just plunge a ball nose
[23:54:26] <zeeshan-mill> straight down beisde the battery tube
[23:54:30] <furrywolf> and make him fill it?
[23:54:45] <zeeshan-mill> nah it looks cool
[23:54:47] <zeeshan-mill> haha
[23:54:51] <zeeshan-mill> no need to fill
[23:55:01] <zeeshan-mill> its very subtle
[23:55:01] <furrywolf> good. :P
[23:55:06] <zeeshan-mill> like 45 thou
[23:55:09] <zeeshan-mill> tiny
[23:55:20] <zeeshan-mill> ill take pics as i progress
[23:55:25] <zeeshan-mill> ive been shooting video on the process
[23:55:31] <furrywolf> the holes in your fixture are tapped through, not blind, right?
[23:55:32] <zeeshan-mill> might help others deal with complex geometry
[23:55:52] <zeeshan-mill> yes
[23:55:57] <zeeshan-mill> a bolt and nut would drive me insane
[23:56:05] <furrywolf> good, because they're full of chips. :)
[23:56:37] <furrywolf> I suspect the multi-color might be why he's paying so much for the wood... the prices I saw were all for single-color pieces.
[23:57:00] <Wolf_Mill> so, anyone goo at id of old machinest boxes?
[23:57:01] <XXCoder> https://github.com/jackalstomper/kmath/blob/master/imgur.rb
[23:57:03] <furrywolf> if they're having to treat the same piece of wood 3+ times, and have a bunch of batches with different colors, I can see a substantially higher cost.
[23:57:08] <XXCoder> this is script to return direct links
[23:57:29] <XXCoder> kmath is pretty cool bot in other channel
[23:57:40] <furrywolf> Wolf_Mill: sure, iding them is easy... you get your inside micrometer... :P
[23:57:49] <Wolf_Mill> ... :P