#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-09-16

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[00:44:16] * Jymmm hands bobo a plastic bag - You be ugly no mo, problem solved! ;)
[00:49:33] <bobo> Hi Jymmm Thank's for the plastic bag . I have been passing out the ones with lettering on inside to local kids for their reading practice. keeps them quiet for days
[00:50:21] <Jymmm> only days? WTH, you just handing out the defective ones ?
[00:51:47] <bobo> Jymmm how's the garage rewiring doing ?
[00:52:53] <Jymmm> bobo: Has yet to begun. still trying to figure out the logistics and what the hell I'm doing =)
[00:54:12] <renesis> just hang a bunch of romex from the cieling, use scissors and wirenuts to connect stuff to power
[00:54:35] <renesis> you can use a label maker so you know which is 120 and 240!
[00:54:44] <Jymmm> renesis: Not that, it's running the 220V 70ft
[00:55:03] <Jymmm> outdoors
[00:55:44] <Jymmm> why does one use metal vs pvc conduit?
[00:56:01] <bobo> logistics = no-rain for two days , empty garage and just flat over wire that sucker
[00:58:06] <bobo> outside pvc doesn't rust . but metal will take a blow and not break
[00:58:32] <Jymmm> And it's raining, the casters one the 800lb racks broke during the move still need to be repaired, and there is a 4x4 header the luckily extends on four walls at the top =)
[00:58:41] <renesis> my guess is its an earth/safety issue
[01:00:43] <Jymmm> I'm going to run conduit along the skirt for about 50ft, pvc seems perfect there, then CaptHindsight said that metal can be burried at 6" instead of 18" for a short 5ft section/walkway, but I dont a bender or a clue how to bend properly
[01:01:06] <bobo> dont count on metal conduit for being a ground conductor
[01:01:23] <archivist> use armoured cable, no conduit needed
[01:01:31] <Jymmm> I also need to use flex from the service pole to the skirt for 4 cable feet
[01:03:47] <Jymmm> archivist: armored is water tight?
[01:03:57] <archivist> yes
[01:04:26] <archivist> designed for buried work (at the right depth)
[01:04:36] <bobo> Jymmm you are the one doing the job . me - I would use Sch 40 plastic outdoor and in the ground
[01:05:03] <Wolf_Mill> US BX cable (metal armored) isnt water tight
[01:06:03] <Jymmm> Says "indoor use" http://www.homedepot.com/p/AFC-Cable-Systems-50-ft-12-2-Solid-MC-Lite-Cable-2104S24-AFC/205015282
[01:07:12] <archivist> that is not the stuff I mean
[01:08:00] <Wolf_Mill> wont find liquid tight armored cable at home depot
[01:08:32] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: wallyworld? lol
[01:08:39] <archivist> http://www.diy.com/departments/electrical-security/home-wiring/home-wiring-cables/armoured-cables/DIY579383.cat
[01:09:17] <Wolf_Mill> nope Jymmm, need to drive to teh UK
[01:09:21] <archivist> https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Cable_Index/Armoured_SWA/index.html?source=adwords&kw=armoured%20cable&gclid=COz45Pbs-scCFQ46GwodnGIKbQ
[01:09:46] <Wolf_Mill> archivist: nothing like that here meets code
[01:09:50] <archivist> your local electrical distributor will have it
[01:10:15] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: Ok, will get the carboat ready fo rthe drive. I sure hope I get good good petro pricing when I full up along the way
[01:11:53] <Wolf_Mill> I did use direct bury for my garage, but I used #2 Alum
[01:12:33] <Jymmm> I'm not going to dig a 70ft trench thru 100ft tall tree roots
[01:13:52] <Jymmm> I do need to run flex from the pole to the wall, then metal underground for the last 5ft
[01:14:27] <Wolf_Mill> 200 feet of wire, and the ground here is 50% rocks
[01:17:30] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: yuck
[01:18:04] <Wolf_Mill> took 30mins
[01:18:32] <Jymmm> you have trencher?
[01:18:35] <Wolf_Mill> well, more like a hour
[01:18:41] <Wolf_Mill> mini excavator
[01:18:56] <Wolf_Mill> have a trencher here too now
[01:19:07] <Jymmm> ah, I only have the neighbot kid
[01:19:39] <Jymmm> but he busts his ass
[01:20:36] <Wolf_Mill> F diggin by hand http://i.imgur.com/yERX7l3.jpg
[01:21:12] <Jymmm> NOW you know why I'm mounting the conduit on the skirt =)
[01:21:48] <Jymmm> is that a tilt bed?
[01:22:14] <Jymmm> slide and tilt?
[01:22:34] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/n05yPB7.jpg
[01:23:03] <Jymmm> whoa, wth?
[01:23:40] <Jymmm> the whole bed is a dumpster thing?
[01:24:06] <Jymmm> thats kinda cool
[01:24:13] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/UM3Rf8L.jpg Can be anything I want, mounted on a skid
[01:24:42] <Jymmm> nice, is that your truck?
[01:24:48] <Wolf_Mill> yeah
[01:25:07] <Jymmm> all custom I suspect?
[01:25:27] <Jymmm> you have extra skids too?
[01:26:16] <Jymmm> thats fucking cool! I like it
[01:26:18] <Wolf_Mill> ampliroll AL-90 hooklift
[01:26:51] <Wolf_Mill> make the A-frame skids in house, and dumpsters, and install the hook systems
[01:27:24] <Wolf_Mill> there is a lighter roll off type system called switch-n-go that we are a dealer for as well
[01:27:57] <Jymmm> nice
[01:28:23] <Wolf_Mill> they make a really small one that fits in pickup truck beds
[01:28:36] <Jymmm> lol
[01:28:58] <Wolf_Mill> lots of cycle shops use it
[01:29:22] <Jymmm> I like how it just retrofits a pickup truck
[01:29:36] <Wolf_Mill> sortof
[01:29:47] <Wolf_Mill> mine is a f550, 19,500gvw
[01:29:59] <Wolf_Mill> the hook will lift 13,000lbs
[01:30:12] <Jymmm> you had to weld to the frame?
[01:30:37] <Wolf_Mill> nope, all bolted on
[01:31:26] <Jymmm> and you could turn your truck back to factory with the original bed if you were to sell it?
[01:32:24] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_Mill: is that you messing with the trailer?
[01:32:42] <Wolf_Mill> no, my buddy tying it down
[01:33:50] <MacGalempsy> well, CNC school had the first offical lecture on G00 tonight.
[01:33:58] <MacGalempsy> lol, we are just about up and running
[01:35:11] <Wolf_Mill> Jymmm: from the factory http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n541/wolfmetalfab/f550%20Stuff/00CC4033-30C0-4F16-A6C2-547029E2F5A6-3320-00000235DF0409DF.jpg
[01:41:07] <bobo> bbl
[02:06:39] <Deejay> moin
[02:42:12] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: You have a frickin cockpit for a truck cab =)
[02:42:39] <Jymmm> hi Deejay
[02:42:52] <Wolf_Mill> lol, must be looking at the pic with the laptop and all out
[02:43:01] <Jymmm> yep =)
[02:43:27] <Wolf_Mill> thats called being prepared for sitting and waiting to move for 3 hours
[02:43:47] <Jymmm> skid, plow, cockpit, anything else?
[02:44:06] <Jymmm> galley?
[02:44:22] <Jymmm> waiting for the snow?
[02:44:46] <Wolf_Mill> yup, or waiting for the trigger amount
[02:45:05] <Jymmm> How many gallons per mile?
[02:45:19] <Wolf_Mill> in the winter, 7-9mpg
[02:45:47] <Jymmm> and a 6gallong tank ;)
[02:46:03] <Wolf_Mill> 40gal
[02:46:23] <Wolf_Mill> fillups are painful
[02:46:24] <fenn> where is the fuel tank anyway?
[02:46:54] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: oh I bet, I have a 24gal tank
[02:47:14] <Jymmm> fenn: there isn't ine, it accepts CC directly
[02:47:24] <Jymmm> one*
[02:49:30] <fenn> looks like there are multiple possible locations http://www.wallworktrucks.com/media/dealer_615/storage/images/Ford/Chassis_Cab_F-450_XLT/ccc15_models_detailflip_dieseltank.jpg
[02:49:49] <Wolf_Mill> mid or rear
[02:49:51] <Wolf_Mill> or both
[02:50:54] <fenn> so can you fit a milling machine on the back?
[02:51:11] <fenn> only reason i'd want a truck i think
[02:51:12] <Wolf_Mill> can haul up to umm
[02:51:30] <Wolf_Mill> 5-6000lbs
[02:51:36] <Wolf_Mill> in the bed
[02:54:32] <fenn> man if only we had like, trains that went cross country to carry cargo ~
[02:54:57] <Wolf_Mill> ... there is, I hear them 4-5 times a day
[02:55:22] <fenn> yeah but i have no idea how to actually ship something by train
[02:55:42] <Wolf_Mill> my truck got here by train :D
[05:02:32] <Praesmeodymium> http://www.freightcenter.com/quickquote.aspx
[05:02:42] <Praesmeodymium> shipping by train
[05:03:00] <Praesmeodymium> wow 2 hours ago I should really double check timestamps lol
[05:03:07] <XXCoder> hey
[05:03:28] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: Wolf_Mill usually are here at this time
[05:03:31] <XXCoder> so should be fine
[05:42:25] <XXCoder> or maybe not this time lol
[07:29:30] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: https://www.mikeholt.com/instructor2/img/product/pdf/1259687476sample.pdf figure 300-8
[07:30:42] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I'm amazed by some of the bat shit crazy advice some people gave you for conduit and wiring
[07:33:13] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: also Figure 300-7 for other types and situations
[07:33:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Well, I don't expect to be up to code EXACTLY. But I try to be close as possible =)
[07:33:52] <Tom_shop> you better be!
[07:36:06] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Come inspect me baby!
[07:36:24] * Tom_itx grabs some rubber gloves
[07:37:27] <Tom_itx> did you wire in a disconnect for your gen too?
[07:37:45] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: pvc flex from pole to skirt; pvc along skort for 50ft, then RMC 6" underground for 5ft
[07:38:11] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: to backfeed?
[07:38:23] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[07:39:06] <CaptHindsight> I hear that wearing rubber boots is just as effective, no need for gloves :)
[07:40:27] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I was thinking I could use the 4 prong dryer cord I have - as I'll need to "feed" each pole from my 110V generator
[07:40:51] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I plan on having a padlock as part of the lockout process
[07:41:34] <Tom_itx> i used a built up welding / stove plug
[07:42:55] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Well, I don't plan on buying that new propane generator right now, and will just use my EU2000i, but it's only 110V, so I need to feed both halves of the panel
[07:43:19] <Tom_itx> oh
[07:43:31] <Tom_itx> are the phases right to do that?
[07:43:49] <Jymmm> I'm not sure
[07:44:09] <Tom_itx> if you have 220 circuits wired, they may interfere with your 2 110 feed split
[07:44:16] <Jymmm> I would kill all 220V breakers of course.
[07:44:26] <Tom_itx> you would have to
[07:45:34] <Jymmm> Not sure if there is anything I need to do there, just trying to simplify wiring and use of extension cords
[09:35:41] <Wolf_> back feed is pointless IMO unless you have enough generator to run over half the house
[09:38:39] <Sync> 125kVA genset on hot standby
[09:42:29] <Wolf_> 3phase?
[09:42:33] <Wolf_> :D
[09:50:26] <Sync> sure, no reason why not Wolf_
[09:57:08] <malcom2073> Man, we're going to soon be scrapping some ford escape hybrids. I'm trying reall hard to grab up one of the motor/generator sets. 30kw DC output :-D
[09:57:42] <malcom2073> Actually, come to think of it, I'll bet it's a brushless motor, so the DC from the battery probably just feeds a giant motor controller, 3 phase 300VAC
[09:58:28] <Wolf_> ooo
[09:59:55] <anomynous> in python how do i make all floats become decimals? I tried float = Decimal ;D
[10:00:13] <Wolf_> much NiMH batteries too
[10:00:14] <anomynous> in a module
[10:00:31] <malcom2073> Yeah, but those are probably toast
[10:00:36] <malcom2073> been sitting for 3-4 years, probably ran them flat
[10:00:47] <Wolf_> foo
[10:06:54] <FinboySlick> anomynous: You just want to change the way they're displayed?
[10:07:11] <FinboySlick> (as in you want them to retain their precision)
[10:07:30] <Sync> yeah the only interesting thing are the motors
[10:08:24] <malcom2073> The gasoline motors attached to them are low mileage too, so could probably used as the generator motors, except there is no starter, it uses the 300VDC to start it
[10:10:01] <anomynous> FinboySlick, yes
[10:10:31] <anomynous> nm yes... sure. .format? :D
[10:10:34] <FinboySlick> anomynous: I don't know of a global way. You'll have to use format on your print.
[10:11:26] <FinboySlick> I think there is shorthand syntax for format if you don't want to have .format() all over your code.
[10:11:54] <anomynous> format is fine ;D I didn't even think about it. I was thinking.... "x.123545 is not... blabla"
[10:12:59] <FinboySlick> a = "i am a %s" % sub1
[10:13:05] <FinboySlick> (is the shorthand way)
[10:13:18] <anomynous> hey... i know. write a function that substitutes HI! in string to whatever and then exec it? That would print all i need
[10:13:26] <anomynous> does that syntax work in 3?
[10:14:21] <anomynous> works
[10:19:13] <anomynous> haas wants 2k€ for high speed option that has cache for 80 lines.
[10:19:21] <anomynous> i wonder if they use raperry pi2
[10:20:39] <anomynous> thats how that feels like, anyway
[10:41:03] <malcom2073> Alright I'm getting steppers.
[10:41:25] <Wolf_> quitter :P
[10:42:05] <malcom2073> Yeah :(
[10:42:14] <malcom2073> I'm saving the servo motors, selling the drivers
[10:42:16] <Wolf_> gave up on the drivers?
[10:42:20] <malcom2073> yeah
[10:42:37] <Wolf_> cause of the blown one?
[10:42:58] <malcom2073> That, and really it's gonna cost me $200+ per axis no matter what I do
[10:43:10] <malcom2073> Whereas steppers cost me $70 per axis
[10:43:58] <Wolf_> how so low
[10:44:22] <malcom2073> Nema 34 1600ozinch are only $70 each on ebay if you buy 4 at a time
[10:44:40] <malcom2073> 1600 is adequate for home milling, not powerful enough to do anything high speed of course
[10:44:41] <Wolf_> need driver for them too right?
[10:44:45] <malcom2073> I got one already
[10:44:55] <malcom2073> That's the kicker, I have parts heh
[10:45:11] <malcom2073> I have a 3 axis 10amp stepper driver + power supply box I picked up at auction a year ago
[10:46:23] <malcom2073> So sell off the remaining good drivers, and save the motors to power my big router someday, and I'll have the mill running in no time
[10:46:54] <Wolf_> take pics of the broke and good driver
[10:47:13] <Wolf_> like detailed of the poofed area, might be fixable
[10:47:16] <malcom2073> Oh I know what broke, a tant capacitor blew on it, probably could fix it. May even try to fix it and sell
[10:47:40] <malcom2073> I even know *why* it died, I was an idiot and didn't hook up ground until after it had 100V of floating DC in it
[10:47:52] <Wolf_> lol
[10:47:57] <Wolf_> oops
[10:48:02] <malcom2073> Yep, live and learn
[10:48:34] <Wolf_> wonder if these two guys are getting scammed in the FB used machine group
[10:48:40] <malcom2073> So on ebay, when they say "ship 3 day from USA warehouse", but the item location says china... I probably should not believe them eh?
[10:48:53] <Wolf_> longs motor?
[10:48:58] <malcom2073> one of them
[10:49:02] <malcom2073> there are like, 50 longmotor accounts
[10:49:09] <Wolf_> which one
[10:49:17] <malcom2073> longs_motor
[10:49:28] <Wolf_> its its 99 they do ship from cal
[10:49:32] <_methods> if it has a date when it will arrive it will show up then
[10:49:35] <Wolf_> calf*
[10:49:37] <_methods> they're usually pretty good about that
[10:49:44] <malcom2073> Yeah, 99's cost more and say item location: usa
[10:49:44] <malcom2073> heh
[10:50:02] <_methods> the estimated delivery date is correct most of the time
[10:50:13] <_methods> i've rarely had them not show up by est date
[10:50:15] <Wolf_> lol, for the package I got, I didn’t have any other choice
[10:50:17] <malcom2073> _methods: I mean when they say otherwise in their description and/or title
[10:50:49] <_methods> i don't know i go by the date usually in the upper description by price
[10:51:11] <_methods> thats been fairly accurate in my past experience
[10:51:31] <malcom2073> Yeah, I think I'm going to avoid the sellers who say ship from usa, but the location says china heh
[10:51:41] <malcom2073> http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Free-Wantai-4PCS-Nema34-Stepper-Motor-Dual-Shaft-3-5A-1600oz-in-CNC-/321531561598?hash=item4adcc6467e <<- example
[10:51:51] <malcom2073> "The motors will be shippd from USA warehouse"
[10:52:17] <_methods> yeah sep 23- oct9
[10:52:32] <malcom2073> Right, but it lies in their post
[10:52:36] <malcom2073> That's gotta be against some rule
[10:52:41] <malcom2073> or is this one of those "ebay doens'tcare" thigns
[10:52:50] <malcom2073> "ebay doesn't care" things *
[10:52:52] <_methods> well i think most of these sellershave multiple options
[10:53:08] <_methods> some probably ship from china and some really are probably in us warehouse
[10:53:27] <malcom2073> Worrysome that you don't get to pick the option heh
[10:54:51] <_methods> but it is ebay so you never know
[10:54:55] <malcom2073> yeah
[10:55:09] <_methods> always a crap shoot
[10:55:20] <malcom2073> I think it's worth the extra $50 to buy from an actual USA shipping seller
[11:01:27] <Wolf_> yay 196A1Z showed up :)
[11:01:51] <lair82> Good morning guys, I have installed the new Asrock H97m board with the intel G3258 CPU, and see some pretty good results latency wise, less than 11,000 on the 1ms thread4, with 2 Glxgears running, and a youtube video that has been running for over an hour. Nice,,,
[11:02:12] <malcom2073> Wolf_: which two guys on the FB group?
[11:03:16] <Wolf_> Mitutoyo Mics and Calipers $150 post
[11:03:42] <_methods> wtf is fb??
[11:03:51] <malcom2073> _methods: Something the kids use nowadays, don't worry about it :P
[11:04:00] <malcom2073> Wolf_: I guess he's splitting it up between the two of them?
[11:04:25] <_methods> is that facebook?
[11:04:31] <malcom2073> Yes
[11:04:33] <_methods> lol
[11:04:36] <Wolf_> joined 13hrs ago, and the pics are from someone elses listing
[11:04:41] <malcom2073> Ooohhh
[11:04:42] <malcom2073> heh
[11:05:10] <malcom2073> indeed you are right
[11:05:47] <_methods> this decades myspace
[11:05:54] <Wolf_> I noticed it quick cause I was thinking of jumping on set from Josh
[11:06:07] <lair82> I have a question regarding using the 2.7.0 released package, I am putting my config back together, and wondered about remapping, I have a few remapped codes, and wondered about the python bit that is in the INI. Do I need to still perform the following, http://pastebin.com/p7KGPd7c ?
[11:06:09] <malcom2073> I'd mention it heh
[11:11:30] <cradek> lair82: I don't know
[11:12:16] <cradek> lair82: I kind of doubt you still need to make ~/python but I don't know
[11:12:17] <lair82> I guess it won't hurt to just go ahead with it?
[11:12:30] <cradek> lair82: I don't know where you found this - is it from the manual matching your version?
[11:13:41] <lair82> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/remap/remap.html#_upgrading_an_existing_configuration_for_remapping
[11:14:20] <cradek> well I'll be
[11:15:30] <Wolf_> such shiny http://i.imgur.com/Tl8PO4F.jpg
[11:15:46] <cradek> configs/sim/axis/remap/getting-started has the python directory inside the config directory
[11:15:58] <cradek> I'd strongly prefer that, personally
[11:16:04] <FinboySlick> Wolf_: I have one of those.
[11:16:53] <FinboySlick> It doesn't look that new though :P
[11:17:48] <Wolf_> thats a $105 ebay purchase, looks like I did ok-ish
[11:17:55] <lair82> That's how the rest of my machines are setup though?
[11:18:18] <lair82> with the python directory in the linuxcnc directory
[11:18:42] <malcom2073> Nice, I have a couple crappy dial indicators, sometime Ineed to buy a nice one
[11:19:05] <Wolf_> this is my first non-junk DI
[11:19:13] <lair82> if i move it all i need to do is modify the " [PYTHON] TOPLEVEL=/home/user/xxx/python/toplevel.py PATH_APPEND=/home/user/xxx/python ' lines to reflect it correct?
[11:20:19] <Wolf_> yesterday I was learning to read a mic using a near 100yr old brown and sharps no21 lol
[11:22:28] <pcw_home> lair82: yeah the H97 Pro4 is a really good Preemt-RT target (as are the earlier H81 Intel boards)
[11:23:23] <lair82> that thing is flying pcw_home, I know what we will be using from now on!!!!!!! ;)
[11:23:47] <pcw_home> Its also fast for general use
[11:24:38] <lair82> That is what I was wondering, I want to build a pc for my personal use and can't figure out which MB to use
[11:26:38] <pcw_home> I have at least a few months 24/7 of hm2_eth uptime on the MB at 4 KHz thread rate
[11:26:39] <pcw_home> and a couple weeks with 4 Ethernet cards at once (7I80HD, 7I80DB, 7I80DB,7I76E )at 2 KHz
[11:31:17] <pcw_home> The G3258 is sort of in the current I3 region performance wise (but cheaper)
[11:42:44] <ssi> dang
[11:43:07] <ssi> pcw_home: does that imply that it'd do two cards at 4khz?
[11:47:29] <pcw_home> probably not but 2 at 3 KHz is possible
[11:48:53] <pcw_home> ( 4 work at 3 KHz but I/O points are limited )
[11:50:27] <ssi> gotcha
[11:59:39] <pcw_home> pretty rare to need more than one FPGA card for CNC apps
[11:59:40] <pcw_home> (though might be good for wiring simplification)
[12:20:48] <malcom2073> Wolf_: The bigger badder brother of my mill is up for sale in Ligonier, IN :)
[12:21:34] <Wolf_> yeah that thing looks like a beast
[12:21:52] <malcom2073> It is. iirc it has box ways too
[12:22:31] <malcom2073> Wonder what he wants for it
[12:24:54] <Wolf_> blah, I really need to go to the Motor Vehicle Administration to get some tag/title work done, really don’t wanna
[12:25:05] <malcom2073> Bwahaha, Maryland sucks :P
[12:26:20] <Wolf_> I could just go to a tag/title shop and eat the fees
[12:26:50] <malcom2073> That's what I used to do when I lived there
[12:27:03] <malcom2073> Think about how much money you could make in the 2 hours you sit and wait at the MVA
[12:27:17] <malcom2073> Not how much you *actually* would make for the time saved, but *could* make ;)
[12:28:19] <SpeedEvil> malcom2073: That is not quite valid. Some people might consider waiting at the MVA a scenic journey.
[12:28:28] <SpeedEvil> It's its own reward!
[12:28:32] <malcom2073> The people watching you can do there is rivaled only by walmart
[12:28:59] <Wolf_> the one in frederick is kinda boring
[12:29:05] <malcom2073> Wolf_: Yard sale next weekend
[12:29:19] <Wolf_> nice, I’m totally broke lol
[12:29:23] <malcom2073> lol
[12:31:15] <malcom2073> Being as I live in amish country, I find this relevant : http://imgur.com/gallery/3ua3o
[12:31:35] <ssi> :D
[12:32:09] <Wolf_> lol
[12:32:26] <malcom2073> Totally believe it too, those guys are witty, and oftentimes quite smart.
[12:32:29] <lair82_> pcw_home, having problems with the static ip I asked you about yesterday, if I run a "/sbin/ifconfig -a" command, there is no eth0, eth1,,,,, port listed, any thoughts?
[12:34:30] <Wolf_> is neat that they added current wait times to the web site http://www.mva.maryland.gov/locations/location.htm?id=frederick
[12:37:19] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: They have time to think.
[12:37:28] <malcom2073> Heh
[12:37:52] <FinboySlick> I think that's one of the tragedies of our time. People don't take time to consider and ponder anymore.
[12:38:00] <Wolf_> probably less cluttered by useless info as well
[12:38:04] <FinboySlick> There's always a facebook post to keep you from it.
[12:39:27] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: What's the bigger, badder brother of your mill, btw?
[12:39:45] <malcom2073> FinboySlick: I have a Clausing Kondia FV-1, the bigger badder brother is a FV-300
[12:39:57] <malcom2073> it's about 800lbs heavier, and has box ways instead of dovetail
[12:42:35] <Wolf_> I could try to get ahold of this thing http://i.imgur.com/BawBeW5.jpg lol
[12:42:46] <pcw_home> lair82_ are you saying the Ethernet was not found?
[12:43:17] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: It's like a very beefy bridgeport?
[12:43:27] <malcom2073> Yeah
[12:43:59] <FinboySlick> Wolf_: That mill looks soo sad. It's turned into a hobo with a hoodie.
[12:44:05] <FinboySlick> Wolf_: Give it a home.
[12:44:45] <Wolf_> my buddy has been trying to get ahold of the guy who owns it
[12:45:20] <Wolf_> this is sitting next to it in a 30yrd dumpster http://i.imgur.com/UfN8dNh.jpg
[12:45:48] <FinboySlick> That's so sad.
[12:46:12] <FinboySlick> Look at that beautiful vise.
[12:46:35] <Wolf_> I even know part of the back story on those machines
[12:48:28] <lair82_> pcw_home, if I run lspci, I see this, 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation Device 8cba 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Device 15a1 00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Device 8cad
[12:48:44] <lair82_> But I don't see anything regarding the eth port.
[12:49:52] <lair82_> I don't remember disabling/turning off anything regarding networking in the bios
[12:49:57] <FinboySlick> For hand-scraping flat material, you use a surface plate. Is there an equivalent cylindrical method?
[12:50:04] <pcw_home> does it show up in dmesg?
[12:50:39] <FinboySlick> lair82_: Um... ethernet controller?
[12:50:42] <malcom2073> FinboySlick: There are a near infinite cylinder diameters, but I'm sure you can get calibrated cylinders somewhere...
[12:50:49] <pcw_home> I ddn't have any issue with the Ethernet on wheezy
[12:50:56] <pcw_home> didn't
[12:52:11] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: OK, but you'd need a calibrated cylinder. I was thinking along the lines of sliding a marker on a rotating part.
[12:52:32] <pcw_home> what does uname -a print? (if this is still using the 3.2.60 kernel than might be an issue since thats a newer Intel MAC )
[12:52:51] <malcom2073> FinboySlick: What are you trying to do? Make a curve perfect?
[12:53:18] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: Just pondering the method (I might be part-amish?).
[12:53:24] <Wolf_> calibrated cylinder squares
[12:54:15] <malcom2073> You could tape a marker to a rod, and mount that rod rigidly, and rotate it allowing th emarket to swipe down. If the rod is infinitly stiff, and the marker is infinitly accurate, it would mark in a perfect circle
[12:54:22] <malcom2073> That sorta thing?
[12:54:46] <Praesmeodymium> isnt that a lathe?
[12:54:48] <malcom2073> Ohh, you mean spinning the part, and moving a marker along a surface plate down the side?
[12:55:47] <lair82_> greenmill@greenmill:~$ uname -a Linux greenmill 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.4.55-4linuxcnc i686 GNU/Linux
[12:55:54] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: Well. For planar scraping, you put dye on the plate and you look for your high spots that way. With a cylinder, I was wondering if there was some sort of equivalent.
[12:56:39] <malcom2073> Why would you want to?
[12:57:26] <FinboySlick> You could roll the cylinder on the plate and find axial irregularities, but you wouldn't know if the cross-section is still a circle.
[12:57:29] <malcom2073> It's a lot harder to get a perfectly flat surface (for linear guides for instance), than it is to get a perfectly round rod (surface grinder + rotation attachment)
[12:58:02] <malcom2073> I don't know if there is a method, butI'm curious what the end use of such an object would be?
[12:58:04] <pcw_home> lair82_ umm rtai?
[12:58:16] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: Air-bearing, etc.
[12:59:08] <malcom2073> I thought surface grinders were plenty accurate enough for that
[12:59:15] <malcom2073> Or a grinding attachment on a lathe
[13:00:13] <Wolf_> http://www.subtool.com/st/cs_steel_cylinder_squares.html has to be a way to make them lol
[13:01:08] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: I imagine they are too. I was just curious if such a method exists.
[13:01:11] <lair82_> I modified the repositories section in synaptic, then ran "sudo apt-get install linuxcnc-uspace", how do I change to uspace?
[13:01:24] <malcom2073> Interesting thought experiment
[13:01:55] <CaptHindsight> a circlemometer?
[13:02:08] <CaptHindsight> for measuring circles
[13:02:24] <malcom2073> for measuring cyliners
[13:02:26] <malcom2073> cylinders*
[13:04:03] <archivist> and a conimeter for cones.... real I have one
[13:04:27] <archivist> patent 587175
[13:07:45] <lair82_> cradek, how do I remove the linux-image-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae package ?
[13:10:38] <pcw_home> I think its more a matter of installing the uspace package
[13:11:21] <cradek> removing the rtai kernel, if you want rid of it, is a separate step afterward
[13:11:32] <cradek> you just remove it like you remove any package
[13:13:10] <pcw_home> you will have to reboot to use the new kernel (after installing uspace)
[13:13:12] <pcw_home> (assuming the package install does the right grubbation )
[13:13:19] <cradek> yes and yes
[13:13:33] <cradek> don't remove the kernel you've booted, of course
[13:17:07] <lair82> greenmill@greenmill:~$ uname -a Linux greenmill 3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 3.2.68-1+deb7u3 i686 GNU/Linux
[13:17:33] <lair82> Removed my head from my arse, and removed the rtai kernel
[13:18:07] <lair82> And now I see eth1,,
[13:18:08] <cradek> yay
[13:18:32] <cradek> now that you've figured it out, please write a wiki article about how to remove your head from your arse
[13:20:20] <lair82> You got me,,,
[13:21:23] <Jymmm> cradek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rfUJcmXE-A
[13:25:06] <lair82> pcw_home, I shouldn't need to touch my 7i80 should I, I set the ip as 10.10.10.1, and cannot see my 7i80
[13:25:51] <lair82> That is what I have on the interfaces file
[13:27:23] <lair82> Could this be because of the iptables file not being modified, that I cannot find any way
[13:32:14] <pcw_home> can you ping 10.10.10.10?
[13:32:16] <pcw_home> I aways try that first
[13:32:41] <lair82> I just did, after I just re-booted, and it says destination host unreachable
[13:33:04] <pcw_home> ok so thats a host network setup issue
[13:33:50] <lair82> how do you stop it from pinging, close the window?
[13:34:01] <pcw_home> control C
[13:34:17] <lair82> Thank you
[13:39:33] <lair82> I installed iptables-persistant, and modified accordingly, but that didn't help
[13:53:39] <lair82_> pcw_home, would that be a problem with one of three files that would normally be modified to setup the coms to the 7i80?
[14:05:02] <PCW> AFAIK the iptables stuff is all set up automatically now
[14:05:51] <PCW> if you cannot ping the card you have a host network setup issue of some kind
[14:06:46] <PCW> what does ifconfig -a show?
[14:08:32] <lair82_> greenmill@greenmill:~$ ifconfig -a bash: ifconfig: command not found
[14:11:26] <lair82_> PCW, so I don't need to set the IP or anything?
[14:11:58] <PCW> you do, you need to set a static IP address for the host
[14:12:26] <PCW> on debian ifconfig is in /libexec
[14:12:41] <lair82_> in the /etc/network/interfaces file correct?
[14:13:25] <lair82_> If I run /sbin/ifconfig -a it says this, eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr d0:50:99:60:fb:db inet6 addr: fe80::d250:99ff:fe60:fbdb/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:24 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:6796 (6.6
[14:14:15] <PCW> not setup right
[14:14:33] <PCW> no static ipV4 address
[14:16:40] <lair82_> Its working now, I cleared out the mods to the rules.v4 and sysctl.conf files, that needed to be done previously, and double checked the static ip in the interfaces file, and now it works
[14:17:01] <lair82_> after I retstarted networking
[14:17:58] <PCW> yeah some changes need networking restarted
[14:18:42] <lair82_> I had the sysctl.conf file modified the whole time, just because it needed to be before.
[14:18:59] <lair82_> Modify my notes, again
[14:19:18] <lair82_> My cnc config starts up, Hooray!!!
[14:22:01] <lair82_> Definitely getting easier to put these together, just a rough go of it finding out what it doesn't need anymore to make it happen.
[14:24:39] <PCW> if the 7I80 is not on when the computer is powered up you may need a "ifup eth0" in the linuxcnc startup script
[14:26:21] <lair82_> it has 5v power all the time, regardless of PC state
[14:26:31] <PCW> OK
[14:26:40] <lair82_> I like seeing the 4 green leds on the 7i80
[14:27:02] <PCW> I should fix them so they are blinky
[14:27:21] <lair82_> alternating
[14:27:35] <PCW> cyclon eye
[14:28:56] <PCW> they are helpful to count packets when debugging but above about 100 packets per second the should get blinky
[14:29:26] <PCW> not that I have a lot of time for such sillyness
[14:36:00] <lair82_> Time to hit it, Thanks guys,
[14:42:02] <Tom_itx> learned a bit about CATIA last night
[14:42:07] <Tom_itx> quite a bit like SW
[14:42:19] <Tom_itx> the constraints are more visible
[14:42:25] <PetefromTn_> anyone got a good design for a nice shop built tubing notcher?
[14:42:44] <Tom_itx> roundbar?
[14:42:57] <PetefromTn_> tube
[14:43:08] <Tom_itx> roundtube squaretube?
[14:43:16] <Tom_itx> roundtube use a holesaw in a jig
[14:43:19] <PetefromTn_> round generally
[14:43:44] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am wanting to see if there is a nice simple jig design somewhere that works
[14:43:45] <Tom_itx> the local race shop used a bridgeport and cut them
[14:44:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah they don't have one down there LOL
[14:44:08] <Tom_itx> if you stamp it, it would crush the tube
[14:44:14] <PetefromTn_> there are several manufacturers that make them
[14:44:21] <Tom_itx> unless you used an insert
[14:44:26] <PetefromTn_> but they are pretty expensive for a decent one
[14:44:31] <Tom_itx> but you'd have to know where the insert was
[14:44:55] <Tom_itx> most of that stuff is gonna be 4130 isn't it?
[14:45:03] <PetefromTn_> http://www.trick-tools.com/common/images/products/large/101300.jpg
[14:45:10] <PetefromTn_> that is one of the better ones apparently
[14:45:40] <Tom_itx> looks easy to change the angles
[14:45:48] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[14:45:57] <PetefromTn_> I am considering machining something like it
[14:46:05] <Tom_itx> just tilt the table on a drillpress
[14:46:15] <Tom_itx> and make a tubing clamp for it
[14:46:18] <PetefromTn_> that one is like $500
[14:46:39] <PetefromTn_> in my experience drill presses make less than stellar tube notchers
[14:46:59] <PetefromTn_> and the drill press they have there is kind of an old tabletop rockwell that is a bit worn
[14:47:41] <PetefromTn_> http://www.trick-tools.com/JD2_Beast_Hole_Saw_Tube_Notcher_101300_3867#.VfnBhBFViko
[14:48:16] <malcom2073> I think I'm going to go downstairs, and see if I can drop a 800lb ram on myself
[14:48:33] <_methods> just buy one of these PetefromTn_
[14:48:35] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeGVbtrrHjE
[14:48:38] <SpeedEvil> malcom2073: break a leg.
[14:48:44] <Wolf_> try to do it softly malcom2073
[14:48:53] <Wolf_> don’t want to mess up the ram
[14:48:58] <malcom2073> Heh
[14:49:02] <malcom2073> I'm soft
[14:49:30] <ssi> _methods: I want that :(
[14:49:35] <_methods> haha me too
[14:50:10] <PetefromTn_> damn that is kickass
[14:50:25] <_methods> keep tryin to talk the boss into getting the attachment for our laser
[14:50:30] <PetefromTn_> makes a jig with a holesaw look positively cave man
[14:50:31] <Wolf_> I have http://www.trick-tools.com/Pro_Tools_Industrial_Hole_Saw_Tube_Notcher_HSN_501i_4667#.VfnCdbRr-UQ
[14:51:05] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah
[14:51:09] <PetefromTn_> how do you like it?
[14:51:22] <Wolf_> it works
[14:51:46] <ssi> _methods: I have been thinking about a machine for a long time
[14:51:48] <PetefromTn_> one of the big problems is I need a notcher that will be able to cut the stainless 1.5 inch schedule 40 tubing and elbows
[14:52:06] <ssi> _methods: that can profile both ends of a tube in one operation, with the right length and orientation of the joint profiles
[14:52:18] <_methods> well that will do it lol
[14:52:27] <ssi> yeah I can't afford that one :P
[14:52:32] <_methods> and label it lol
[14:52:43] <ssi> yep that would be the "nice to have"
[14:53:02] <PetefromTn_> you could make some money with a machine like that
[14:53:08] <ssi> no shit :P
[14:54:22] <_methods> bybye bandsaw hello laser lol
[14:54:47] <PetefromTn_> yup
[14:54:48] <Wolf_> other option PetefromTn_ is make a jig that will sit on a lathe cross slide
[14:55:13] <PetefromTn_> Wolf_ That would be AWESOME if my lathe were operational :(
[14:55:27] <_methods> you still latheless?
[14:55:51] <PetefromTn_> define latheless?
[14:55:52] <_methods> why don't you just do it on your mill?
[14:55:59] <_methods> without functional lathe lol
[14:56:08] <PetefromTn_> okay then YES I am
[14:56:11] <_methods> hahah
[14:56:27] <_methods> i'm not laughing at you
[14:56:37] <_methods> just at your response lol
[14:56:43] <PetefromTn_> I would not mind doing it on my mill but the mill is not at the shop where I am trying to make these turbo manifolds
[14:56:54] <_methods> ohhhh
[14:56:56] <PetefromTn_> good because that was the response I was looking for
[14:57:18] <Wolf_> looking at them its really not that hard to make one
[14:57:25] <Wolf_> notching jig that is
[14:57:35] <Sync> hmm neat
[14:57:55] <Sync> Ates brake master cylinders found in e46 bmws are DLC coated
[14:57:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah that BEAST one is interesting
[14:58:06] <Wolf_> yeah, that is pretty slick
[14:58:14] <PetefromTn_> the hole patters is for bolting down odd shaped tube
[14:58:35] <_methods> you have a mag drill?
[14:58:44] <PetefromTn_> only problem I see with it is that cutting elbows which is mostly what I will be cutting at anything other than flat is impossible
[14:58:53] <_methods> i think they make mag drill notching attachments
[14:58:54] <PetefromTn_> _methods no
[14:58:59] <_methods> damn
[14:59:04] <PetefromTn_> wish I did those are cool
[14:59:35] <PetefromTn_> even tho I have been acquiring tools and machines for decades you guys always seem to make me feel like I just got started ;)
[15:00:12] <Sync> gotta aquire them faster
[15:00:26] <PetefromTn_> I'm trying man but the shit is SPENSIVE
[15:00:43] <Wolf_> I want the new milwaukee tools 2787 drill
[15:01:08] <PetefromTn_> I want that damn laser tube notcher :D
[15:01:28] <fenn> can probably do just as well with plasma, for welding prep
[15:01:34] <Wolf_> not very portable
[15:01:39] <Sync> the fuck
[15:01:44] <Wolf_> the laser that is
[15:01:48] <PetefromTn_> I don't need portable
[15:01:52] <Sync> battery powered mag drill
[15:02:36] <Sync> also I'm not sure if I want a TTI tool
[15:04:35] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_dPgYjMdmE
[15:04:36] <Wolf_> their new brushless stuff isn’t bad
[15:05:15] <_methods> i thought you had to do this on site?
[15:07:56] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc-xrAUQpiw
[15:08:02] <_methods> that is a cooler one
[15:08:18] <_methods> used a little robot arm hehe
[15:08:23] <Sync> still is tti Wolf_ :/
[15:12:15] <Wolf_> I’ll still take them over the yellow tools
[15:12:55] <Sync> I've been happy with my makita stuff
[15:15:01] <Wolf_> so what if TTI owns Milwaukee tools…
[15:18:07] <renesis> dewalts are mostly okay
[15:19:06] <renesis> there was one model of drill/bit driver at job i had like 5 years ago where the trigger and speed control assembly would fuckup because of a bad solder joint on the FET
[15:19:31] <renesis> multiple units, same death, could be fixed but was drama because the pcb traces would break
[15:19:42] <Wolf_> just yellow black and decker junk imo ;P
[15:19:55] <renesis> the new ones dont seem to be a problem, never had issues with makita or milwaukee bit drivers
[15:20:15] <renesis> i got a makita one, the little white one with the smaller battery
[15:20:39] <renesis> black and decker is decent for the money but in general kind of shitty =\
[15:20:58] <Wolf_> we murdered one of the 1/2” m12 milwaukee drills in my shop
[15:21:03] <renesis> sometimes too big on quantity of features vs overall quality
[15:21:11] <renesis> or just so bare bones its almost useless
[15:21:31] <renesis> they 1/2" ones are the ones with the handle?
[15:21:53] <fenn> can i get a cordless plasma cutter yet
[15:21:59] <renesis> if yes, honestly those seemed too cheap for what they were, and i dont remember their being a big increase in specs
[15:22:09] <renesis> like, you were mostly paying for the handle
[15:22:57] <Wolf_> oh sorry, 3/8”
[15:23:00] <Jymmm> fenn: Yes, yes you can. It's cordless, just not wireless ;)
[15:23:35] <renesis> oh M12 is like, smaller battery packs?
[15:23:43] <Wolf_> https://www.milwaukeetool.com/power-tools/cordless/2407-22 this thing, killed it by drilling 1/2” holes in truck frames for 3 days straight
[15:24:03] <renesis> yeah that looks consumer
[15:24:10] <renesis> like, not for constant duty
[15:24:46] <renesis> the reason i got the consumer milwaukee is they seem to be the same but only compatible with the smaller battery packs, which use the same charger as the big battery pack
[15:25:02] <renesis> also because cheap and small
[15:25:59] <renesis> but the chuck, switches, mechanicals, body casting, all seemed comparable to the pro stuff
[15:26:12] <Wolf_> yeah, since ’08 they standardized their packs, m12 = “12v” , m18 18v and 28v
[15:26:59] <Wolf_> and now they have different MAH rated packs
[15:27:37] <renesis> yeah little white makita same voltage as big blue makita, just lower capacity
[15:28:03] <renesis> like, the exposed part of the batter about half the height
[15:28:33] <Wolf_> but the brushless stuff is impressive, I have the 5” 18v grinder and 12v hammer drill
[15:28:34] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9au7P7_Ni3I this looks impressive
[15:28:46] <renesis> they come with a belt clip and not bit holder, and the bit holder accessory does not seem to exist retail, only thing i dont like about it
[15:29:25] <Sync> fenn: doesn't seem like it
[15:29:27] <_methods> yeah baileigh makes good jig stuff
[15:29:42] <_methods> you could make that yourself though
[15:29:54] <PetefromTn_> that looks like it would be perfect for what I need to do over there.
[15:29:59] <PetefromTn_> you think so?
[15:30:07] <_methods> yeah
[15:30:09] <PetefromTn_> that eccentric looks complex
[15:30:11] <_methods> a bearing block and a clamp
[15:30:12] <Wolf_> watching...
[15:30:12] <_methods> lol
[15:30:52] <_methods> the made a spiffy self centering clamp
[15:31:03] <PetefromTn_> that is the best part of the thing
[15:31:09] <PetefromTn_> the hole saw bit is simple as shit
[15:31:39] <Wolf_> clamping and alignment looks well thought out
[15:32:33] <_methods> all you need is a plasma, a printer and some tape lol
[15:32:34] <PetefromTn_> that one costs like $600
[15:32:47] <Wolf_> make one
[15:33:01] <PetefromTn_> well that is exactly what I am thinking of doing
[15:33:13] <PetefromTn_> but I want to find one that I can build without too much drama
[15:33:28] <Sync> yeah it is simple enough but the clamp is fairly annoying to make
[15:33:30] <_methods> seems like i saw some plans before
[15:33:34] <Wolf_> … you haz cnc, what drama?
[15:33:37] <Wolf_> :P
[15:33:47] <_methods> the chopper handbook one
[15:33:54] <_methods> http://www.chopperhandbook.com/notcher.htm
[15:34:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but even WITH CNC some things get pretty complicated even stuff that appears simple LOL
[15:34:54] <Wolf_> not that complex, really its a few plates with some holes and some tapping
[15:35:27] <PetefromTn_> yeah but I would need to figure out that eccentric clamp setup
[15:36:23] <PetefromTn_> honestly I would machine that thing tho it is cool as shit
[15:36:36] <Wolf_> 3 concentric slots, 3 angled slots
[15:37:21] <PetefromTn_> http://www.baileigh.com/tube-notcher-tn-250
[15:38:21] <Wolf_> the arm for the drill shaft is overkill
[15:38:30] <Wolf_> thickness wise
[15:38:54] <PetefromTn_> honestly I think it is just right that is where all the stress happens LOL
[15:39:18] <PetefromTn_> that thing also has quite a bit of travel
[15:39:19] <Wolf_> not really, maybe if you have a noob running the drill
[15:39:30] <PetefromTn_> I am quite the noob
[15:39:41] <PetefromTn_> and something of a hamfist
[15:39:51] <PetefromTn_> or so I have been told by myself ;)
[15:40:12] <Wolf_> my protools notcher is only 1/2 alum plate I think
[15:40:36] <renesis> my brain translated that into radiofist before i realised you mean clumsy
[15:40:52] <Wolf_> using good hole saw bits takes almost no force to cut
[15:41:16] <Wolf_> now if you spin it at max speed, and lean on it…
[15:41:37] <PetefromTn_> LOL I tried to use my Cheap 6" chinese vise and their drill press today with a hole saw arbor to notch some tube
[15:41:47] <PetefromTn_> IT_DID_NOT_GO_WELL
[15:42:11] <Wolf_> what type of hole saw arbor?
[15:42:32] <Wolf_> thin pos hole saw?
[15:43:57] <_methods> heheh best possible conditions
[15:44:00] <PetefromTn_> meh it is what they had no idea of brand
[15:44:11] <PetefromTn_> its a white one :D
[15:44:23] <PetefromTn_> the arbor was indeed a POS
[15:44:27] <Wolf_> really, if you need to do the same size tube often, get a plumbers chain vice, cheap x/y table and a annular cutter w/ a 3/4 weldon shank, chuck it up in the drill press
[15:44:32] <PetefromTn_> it did not even have the lugs on it
[15:44:53] <Wolf_> top of the hole saw go concave while trying to cut?
[15:45:20] <PetefromTn_> there was nothing really that wrong with the hollesaw or arbor
[15:45:44] <DaViruz> Thank you for considering McMaster-Carr for your purchase, but we have cancelled your order for the chrome-plated steel shaft.
[15:45:47] <DaViruz> Due to the cost of complying with extensive US export regulations, McMaster-Carr accepts international purchases only from our established overseas customers.
[15:45:58] <ssi> hooray ITAR
[15:46:02] <DaViruz> i'm sure the export regulations are very heavy on a frikken steel shaft
[15:46:12] <ssi> you'd be surprised :P
[15:46:20] <PetefromTn_> it is just the drill press is a 50 year old rockwell that is pretty worn out and I C clamped my chinko vise to the table and when I tried to cut with it the head swiveled and damn near broke the hole saw
[15:46:31] <DaViruz> ssi: and i was
[15:46:35] <Wolf_> lol
[15:46:43] <DaViruz> what a load of crap
[15:46:58] <PetefromTn_> maybe they did not want to send the shaft to someone who refers to themselves as DAVIRUZ LOL
[15:47:01] <_methods> mcmaster don't need your business
[15:47:02] <_methods> lol
[15:47:03] <DaViruz> the darndest thing is i cant find a 5/8" ground shaft in sweden
[15:47:07] <_methods> they too busy rapin people here
[15:47:19] <_methods> they don't have time for euro rape
[15:47:48] <DaViruz> i'll just order it using freight forwarding, so they'll get the chance to rape me
[15:47:50] <PetefromTn_> ANyone want one of these notchers? I might make two or three to offset my costs LOL
[15:48:09] <Wolf_> that tn 250?
[15:48:21] <PetefromTn_> hell I dunno whatever one...
[15:48:22] <DaViruz> PetefromTn_: possibly :)
[15:48:24] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: I have a ~50yo Rockwell drill press as well. Does yours have a few pulleys to change speeds?
[15:48:24] <PetefromTn_> I need one
[15:48:26] <DaViruz> re: my name
[15:48:41] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah
[15:49:03] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight thiers is pretty beat man
[15:49:06] <PetefromTn_> theirs
[15:49:20] <Wolf_> slow speeds for bimetal hole saw
[15:49:26] <PetefromTn_> and it is sitting on a metal stand with a wood top that is not even bolted down right
[15:49:27] <CaptHindsight> mine still has the red lamp holder and scissor arm
[15:49:42] <Wolf_> but pretty sure pete knows that…
[15:49:45] <PetefromTn_> I am not saying Rockwell is not a good one quite the contrary
[15:50:02] <PetefromTn_> I would like to have a full size one
[15:50:11] <PetefromTn_> but this one has had a rough life it seems ;)
[15:50:35] <PetefromTn_> any ideas on that eccentric layout?
[15:50:47] <PetefromTn_> all I need is a drawing :D
[15:50:53] <CaptHindsight> I found this one for a few $$. I just changed it to a keyless chuck and fixed the wiring
[15:50:54] <Wolf_> 3 concentric slots, 3 angled slots
[15:51:08] <PetefromTn_> I know you keep saying that
[15:51:58] <Wolf_> if I have time later I can try drawing it up in SW but i’m half clueless about assemblies
[15:52:31] <PetefromTn_> kinda reminds me of a door on a spaceship LOL
[15:52:42] <PetefromTn_> you don't have to draw it man
[15:52:57] <PetefromTn_> I was just hoping for something similar online I can work from
[15:53:03] <PetefromTn_> Not sure what I will make yet tho
[15:53:12] <Wolf_> simple apature type device
[15:53:19] <CaptHindsight> DaViruz: is that because you use Metric vs Imperial?
[15:53:19] <PetefromTn_> I like that beast one too but it would require quite a chunk of material to make it like that
[15:53:32] <malcom2073> oh man my buddy pulled this out of the garbage for me for my mill: http://www.amazon.com/MEDIGENIC-COMPLIANCE-INFECTION-WASHABLE-KEYBOARD/dp/B005RCUWI6
[15:53:56] <Wolf_> nice
[15:54:01] <DaViruz> CaptHindsight: yeah, stuff with imperial sizes is rarely seen here
[15:54:19] <DaViruz> you can be pretty hard pressed on finding a simple UNC/F screw
[15:54:21] <malcom2073> It's thus far a little bit obnoxiouis to type on, as I am someone who types by feel of the keys, not of home row heh
[15:54:29] <malcom2073> But for CNC who cares
[15:54:45] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: are you sure it wasn't in a toxic waste bag marked "Ebola Test Station #3"
[15:55:16] <malcom2073> :P Nah it got thrown out cause the cable got slammed in a door, looks mangled, but the wires inside are fine... just the shielding got hit
[15:55:28] <Wolf_> hah, I understand that, my cnc box has some odd sized wireless keyboard, I’m always hitting enter and end when I don’t mean to
[15:58:13] <malcom2073> I decided to clean the garage instead of trying to pick up the ram. I apparently left all my straps at my dads house
[15:58:22] <Wolf_> lol
[15:58:39] <Wolf_> most of mine are in my truck, I think
[15:58:58] <malcom2073> I normally keep them in my trailer box, but I helped him life/move a lathe the other weekend
[15:59:40] <malcom2073> Oh, I know what I can do! I'll get practice on my lathe, and try to turn down aluminum bushings for my pulleys
[15:59:59] <Wolf_> there ya go...
[16:00:19] <Wolf_> I still need to anneal that ball screw end and thread it
[16:01:08] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: Maybe that keyboard was used during the ebola scare.
[16:01:48] <Wolf_> PetefromTn_: if you REALLY need a notcher I have http://www.pro-tools.com/products/hsn-501i-aspx sitting around right now, might be able to work something out :D
[16:01:51] <FinboySlick> Hehe, I should have read further down, CaptHindsight beat me to it.
[16:01:58] <malcom2073> FinboySlick: The timing is about right, but the hospital my buddy works at is more than careful about biowaste. He says they've had to throw away multi-thousand dollar machines after they've been contaminated with blood
[16:02:06] <malcom2073> Haha yeah
[16:02:15] <malcom2073> I'll lick it just to be sure, and sneeze on ya'll
[16:02:26] <SpeedEvil> 'kills 99.9% of germs' doesn't cut it sometimes.
[16:02:47] <SpeedEvil> It is essentially impossible to sterilise machines that are not explicitly designed for it to clinical levels
[16:03:10] <CaptHindsight> kills 0.1% of virus
[16:03:17] <malcom2073> SpeedEvil: This keyboard *is* designed for it, they put them in... what are they called, autoclaves?
[16:03:21] <PetefromTn_> Wolf_ I honestly DO need one right now. The only issue is that I need to be able to hold onto this 1.5 inch sch40 elbows while notching at about any angle
[16:03:52] <CaptHindsight> maybe not an autoclave
[16:04:22] <MacGalempsy> good afternoon
[16:04:23] <PetefromTn_> Wolf_ PM me with your best shipped price.... I may be interested
[16:04:29] <PetefromTn_> Hey Mac
[16:05:19] <MacGalempsy> Hows it going PetefromTn_?
[16:05:35] <PetefromTn_> Okay man hows you?
[16:05:36] <SpeedEvil> malcom2073: yes 'not designed for'
[16:06:38] <MacGalempsy> well, just got up about 20 minutes ago, was a long night
[16:07:00] <MacGalempsy> didnt get to bed until 10am, thats about 4hr past bedtime
[16:07:46] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Are you being poor again?
[16:07:53] <MacGalempsy> anyone have any experience with Renishaw strain probes?
[16:08:00] <PetefromTn_> shit man I live there....
[16:10:37] <MacGalempsy> I bought a box with 2 in there, but is looks like I will need a probe interface to make give an output
[16:10:52] <MacGalempsy> wondering if anyone has used the PI 4-2
[16:11:57] <malcom2073> Eh :P
[16:21:34] <XXCoder> man whats up with that site. it implemented its own smooth scrolling
[16:21:41] <XXCoder> and it sucks. it took a whole minute
[16:54:54] <malcom2073> Whups, missed my mark. Hit 0.623 instread of 0.625
[17:01:04] <DaViruz> bring out the bondo
[17:01:21] <malcom2073> https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12003891_1135313036483076_8126222718388923645_n.jpg?oh=1c775ceebd88217601ff349fb12d9e78&oe=56997E48
[17:03:20] <PetefromTn_> GASP Aluminum shaft?
[17:04:11] <malcom2073> Eh, I'll probably do it out of steel, but I'm playing around atm.
[17:04:22] <malcom2073> This is my first *intentional* lathe project where I'm trying to make something instead of just dicking around
[17:04:26] <PetefromTn_> Just kiddin around man
[17:04:45] <malcom2073> Oddly enough, I have significantly more aluminum than steel :P
[17:04:49] <malcom2073> And my tooling is shit anyway
[17:06:28] <PetefromTn_> Shit tooling is better than NO tooling.....I think
[17:06:33] <malcom2073> Probably yeah heh
[17:07:39] <Wolf_> could be worse, could have a shit lathe too
[17:07:56] <malcom2073> Look closely, there's a ratrod southbend in the background :P
[17:08:03] <PetefromTn_> or one that does not work :D
[17:08:26] <malcom2073> Or one you don't have space for *cough* zeeshan *cough*
[17:08:43] <Wolf_> trade a notcher for a non-working lathe? :P
[17:08:47] <DaViruz> i have a vmc i no longer have space for :/
[17:08:57] <DaViruz> don't really want to get rid of it, but i have to now
[17:09:01] <PetefromTn_> that notcher is sweet huh
[17:09:12] <malcom2073> I should probably get a notcher sometime
[17:09:18] <malcom2073> along with a brake. My dad is selling his, but I have no room for it
[17:09:25] <malcom2073> I want to do sheetmetal enclosures
[17:09:30] <Wolf_> what sorta brake?
[17:09:46] <SpeedEvil> malcom2073: make a large sheetmetal shed.
[17:09:55] <malcom2073> heh
[17:10:20] <malcom2073> Wolf_: http://carpenterswoodworking.com/?page_id=547
[17:29:14] <Deejay> gn8
[18:02:27] <Wolf_> PetefromTn_: you start that belt sander from hell project yet?
[18:03:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah I did actually
[18:03:30] <Wolf_> https://www.machineryhouse.com.au/L099#
[18:03:37] <PetefromTn_> got most of the base welded up and got the vertical spar fitted
[18:04:19] <PetefromTn_> damn that is spensive
[18:04:45] <PetefromTn_> that notcher is pretty interesting. I am seriously thinking of making it
[18:04:46] <Wolf_> I had to look at the pics 3 times to figure out what the machine can do
[18:05:14] <Wolf_> I hope you make that notcher, cause I can’t :P need moar mill
[18:06:27] <PetefromTn_> honestly I have made several machines before where I made one extra in exchange for materials and a bit of labor ;
[18:06:55] <PetefromTn_> I once made a very rigid carving duplicator machine that way
[18:07:16] <PetefromTn_> the guy I made the other one still uses his but I wound up selling mine when i got the CNC working
[18:12:30] <Wolf_> yeah, why make 1 when you can make 2, makes better use of setups
[18:14:57] <andypugh> If you meake 2, you can choose the good one.
[18:16:10] * JT-Shop figured out how to make the bootable USB stick... the manual is a tiny bit terse in that section
[18:25:00] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what OS?
[18:26:10] <JT-Shop> the Debian Wheezy iso
[18:27:07] <Tom_itx> not with unetbootin?
[18:28:36] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_write_the_image_to_a_bootable_devicehttp://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_write_the_image_to_a_bootable_device
[18:32:36] <PetefromTn_> andypugh There is that ;)
[18:37:42] <JT-Shop> dang jitter is < 2500
[19:00:40] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/wan/5225268017.html I just offered him a honda generator for one of them. will see what he says. :)
[19:01:13] <malcom2073> Nice
[19:03:03] <furrywolf> I don't want to spend that kind of cash on a lathe right now, but I'd definitely trade my freshly rebuilt eu3000is for one.
[19:03:37] <PetefromTn_> damn that is nice....good luck man
[19:04:11] <furrywolf> I'm not too familiar with clausing lathes... I've heard of them, but not much else. Good units I take it?
[19:05:14] <PetefromTn_> I ran a larger manual at one of the shops I worked in. Seemed very nice and accurate to me..
[19:05:21] <furrywolf> I know one would look very nice next to my B&S mill. :)
[19:05:50] <Wolf_> I would say ooo shiny but those arent :D
[19:06:52] <malcom2073> Patina
[19:06:57] <malcom2073> that's what you call it when they're rusty, but you like it
[19:07:25] <furrywolf> lol
[19:07:33] <Wolf_> lmao, I was thinking that cleaning my mic last night
[19:07:36] <furrywolf> they don't look that rusty to me.
[19:07:51] <Wolf_> then again, for almost 100yrs old, its not in bad shape lol
[19:10:00] <Wolf_> wonder if I should attempt to tram the x1 mill head
[19:10:09] <Wolf_> or column...
[19:11:13] <furrywolf> wondering if it's worth trying to make a cheap chinese machine precise? heh
[19:11:51] <Wolf_> yeah… I’m somewhat afraid the endeavor will end with the mill in the driveway in pieces
[19:12:31] <malcom2073> I've seen people who buy things like chinese cross slides, then scrape the ways
[19:13:31] <Wolf_> thats crossed my mind, but I don’t know how to scrape, plus I’m lacking a few things to do that
[19:17:19] <malcom2073> C'mon, you know you need another hobby
[19:18:01] <Wolf_> yeah, love when things start growing sub hobbies
[19:19:24] <malcom2073> Heh, need a towel to wipe up that sarcasm?
[19:20:46] <Wolf_> oh malcom2073, that listing that I thought was a scam, guy said it was his fiancée resisting the stuff to attempt to get more hits on it
[19:21:14] <Wolf_> guess I’ll find out if its legit in a while
[19:22:04] <malcom2073> Nice heh
[19:22:09] <malcom2073> relisting it, at significantly lower prices
[19:22:11] <malcom2073> heh
[19:22:22] <Wolf_> was same price
[19:22:42] <malcom2073> was it? I misread then
[19:23:18] <Wolf_> $300 for all, $150 for caliper + mic, $150 for the Interapid 312B-3
[19:23:38] <malcom2073> Ah gotcha
[19:25:47] <Wolf_> kinda surprised that no one went after that interapid @ $150
[19:27:20] * furrywolf keeps checking email hoping for quick response from lathe person
[19:28:10] <Wolf_> having nice measurement gear, I’m pretty sure I’m gonna get annoyed at my mill and lathe quickly lol
[19:29:24] <furrywolf> that's the best way to keep your mill and lathe accurate... don't buy any expensive test equipment. :P
[19:29:50] <Wolf_> stick with the china marked di
[19:34:03] <furrywolf> email needs a "hurry up and answer!" button.
[19:34:08] * enleth just discovered some idiot's "repairs" in the bport's spindle transmission
[19:34:28] <enleth> looks like I'll have to ditch VariSpeed and just install a VFD and a toothed belt with new pulleys
[19:34:55] <enleth> It's repairable, but probably not worth it.
[19:35:14] <zeeshan> hi all
[19:35:28] <MacGalempsy> hi zeeshan
[19:35:37] <furrywolf> enleth: I found my knee elevator didn't work because someone fixed it... by goobering the wrong things with non-adhered welds, in the process fucking up a shaft and burning through two oil lines.
[19:35:49] <furrywolf> very often the biggest problem with things is someone fixed them.
[19:36:14] <zeeshan> vfd ftw!
[19:36:18] <furrywolf> zeeshan: get your new lathe? :P
[19:36:23] <zeeshan> furrywolf:
[19:36:24] <zeeshan> guess what!!!!!!!!1
[19:36:28] <zeeshan> the deal went through
[19:36:28] <zeeshan> :D
[19:36:32] <zeeshan> so i am getting it
[19:36:36] <Wolf_> nice
[19:36:42] <enleth> My olny qualm about ditching VariSpeed is that it does give a mechanical advantage at low speeds
[19:36:47] <furrywolf> how much did you spend, how much is wrong with it, and how many mesa products will it take before it has a working control? :P
[19:36:56] <furrywolf> enleth: how badly damaged is it?
[19:37:04] <Wolf_> all the mesa
[19:37:05] <enleth> So having a working CVT *and* a VFD is the best of both worlds.
[19:37:41] <zeeshan> furrywolf: apparently x axis ball nut has balls that jumped
[19:37:47] <zeeshan> i don't really believe that though
[19:37:50] <furrywolf> my mill has a mechanical transmission, 50-1800rpm... and it's quite scary at both of those. at 50, you KNOW it'll snap SOMETHING before it stalls. and at 1800, it does the jet engine spinup thing while all the lights dim and room buzzes for 5+ seconds...
[19:37:52] <zeeshan> we'll see
[19:37:56] <zeeshan> it was 4000
[19:38:00] <zeeshan> but it's everything i was looking for
[19:38:05] <zeeshan> except live tooling and sub spindle
[19:38:09] <furrywolf> not a bad price. re-controling it I assume?
[19:38:13] <zeeshan> yea
[19:38:19] <zeeshan> prolly will sell al lthe old control components
[19:38:26] <zeeshan> but ill study them first since i get the manuals with it
[19:38:35] <zeeshan> first job is to strip it down
[19:38:40] <zeeshan> and make the machine more compact
[19:38:42] <enleth> furrywolf: well, you *can* just set it in the middle of the range and use the VFD if you *don't* want the added torque
[19:39:03] <furrywolf> I just sent someone on craigslist an email about lathes they have for sale, offering a honda generator or a miller welder as a trade.
[19:39:12] <zeeshan> yea i saw
[19:39:14] <zeeshan> whats wrong with the shoptask?
[19:39:15] <zeeshan> :P
[19:39:21] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/wan/5225268017.html not nearly as shiny as yours, but hopefully much cheaper.
[19:39:29] <furrywolf> it's small and chinese.
[19:39:44] <furrywolf> and CNC. I'll keep that lathe manual if I get it.
[19:39:50] <enleth> First of all, there is some corrosion, as the idiot did not reinstall some of the gaskets and covers, and somehow the mill was subjected to some water falling on the head. Probably not rain, as nothing else on the whole mill shows any signs of water entering anywhere.
[19:40:19] <furrywolf> some corrosion is usually not a major issue.
[19:40:44] <enleth> Most importantly, the pulleys have some sufrace rust on the bearing surfaces and the motor shaft has enough of it that the lower, moving half of the pulley is stuck
[19:41:03] <furrywolf> also not a major issue.
[19:41:12] <enleth> The upper is stuck as well, I tried removing it but it's no go, will have to heat it up or something
[19:41:28] <zeeshan> how much did you pay for this machine?
[19:41:38] <furrywolf> I've spent a couple hours with a file trying to clean up a goobered shaft through a little access window, and it still won't come out. :P
[19:41:44] <Wolf_> penetrating oil and try again after a few hours imo
[19:41:49] <enleth> The adjustment plate is chipped in places, and the part it pushes on - I forgot the name - has threads stripped.
[19:41:53] <Wolf_> for enleth
[19:42:15] <enleth> And both pneumatic actuators were throughoutly filled with water and rust
[19:42:25] <enleth> They are dead, no doubts
[19:42:29] <furrywolf> (all those hours with the pure wand pays off in the form of strong wrists...)
[19:42:55] <enleth> Wolf_: I left it soaked in WD-40, had nothing better handy
[19:43:16] <Wolf_> ick, but yeah better then nothing
[19:43:22] <enleth> Oh, and all the alignment pins between housing sections are either missing or sheared off
[19:43:42] <enleth> So the idiot couldn't even disassemble it properly even though he had the service manual
[19:43:57] <enleth> Which clearly states where to tap with a wooden hamer to loosen it all up
[19:44:21] <furrywolf> I'm becoming increasingly impressed with Tri-Flow penetrating lube. I sprayed some on the mechanism of a chain comealong I got at a yard sale. It has a 6ft chain in it, sticking about 3ft out either side. ever since I sprayed the mechanism, it's been slowly creeping along the chain! the chain is wet for close to 2ft now...
[19:44:23] <zeeshan> Wolf_: what notcher do you use
[19:44:27] <enleth> zeeshan: an equivalent of $1800
[19:44:37] <Wolf_> I have a pro-tools one
[19:44:39] <zeeshan> enleth doh =/
[19:44:55] <zeeshan> looks pretty standard
[19:45:00] <zeeshan> almost like jd2 one
[19:45:07] <furrywolf> enleth: the reason the shaft is goobered on mine is because the person who "fixed" it didn't bother removing it to access the part he was trying to weld, and instead tried welding around it. Removing the shaft is ONE SCREW, and clearly documented in the manual.
[19:45:09] <enleth> zeeshan: but the seller was not the actual previous owner and he didn't know what he had
[19:45:18] <Wolf_> mine does have the thing for offset notch
[19:45:23] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: wanna see my old tube notcher? :P
[19:45:24] <enleth> zeeshan: it's a Series 1 MDI
[19:45:39] <zeeshan> enleth: oh its cnc
[19:45:40] <enleth> zeeshan: with fully working control, one of those rare CNC-manual hybrids
[19:45:42] <zeeshan> thats a pretty decent deal for it
[19:45:56] <enleth> zeeshan: this is an understatement
[19:46:00] <furrywolf> enleth: obviously the whole mill is trash... I'll give you a few bucks for shipping and take it off your hands free of charge. :P
[19:46:12] <zeeshan> whatcha mean
[19:46:38] <enleth> zeeshan: it's got ballscrews, brakes on every axis and handwheels that engage on demand
[19:46:54] <zeeshan> Wolf_:
[19:46:56] <enleth> So the Y axis handwheel is not a ball buster
[19:46:59] <Wolf_> lol, furrywolf, you don’t want to know what the shipping is going to be to get that from enleth
[19:46:59] <zeeshan> http://i48.tinypic.com/16kzvnq.png
[19:47:07] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/pipe_in_jig_zpscd6242dc.jpg
[19:47:18] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/notched2_zps5d407859.jpg
[19:47:19] <zeeshan> :D
[19:47:21] <furrywolf> Wolf_: a few bucks. I already said that. he's responsible for the rest. :P
[19:47:33] <Wolf_> haha
[19:47:42] <enleth> zeeshan: https://gallery.hackerspace.pl/Bridgeport - delivery and initial disassembly, if you're interested
[19:47:52] <zeeshan> i would never buy a bridgeport
[19:47:54] <zeeshan> they arent rigid enough
[19:47:58] <enleth> zeeshan: I had to disassemble it to get it inside, and it needed a lot of cleaning anyway
[19:48:11] <furrywolf> zeeshan: you'd like my B&S. it's stupidly rigid.
[19:48:16] <Wolf_> lol zeeshan, thats what I was telling pete to do with the lathe
[19:48:21] <enleth> zeeshan: this one has quite a bit more iron than a typical bport
[19:48:39] <zeeshan> enleth: ive worked with series 1 before
[19:48:47] <enleth> zeeshan: the knee ways are wider, saddle is bulkier, and it's a rigid ram
[19:49:10] <zeeshan> enleth: my idea of rigid is a machine like pete has
[19:49:13] <zeeshan> or the mikron or the deckels
[19:49:20] <furrywolf> and I've grown quite fond of the mechanical 50-1800 rpm spindle gearbox.
[19:49:38] <furrywolf> someone I know was testing it by seeing what it could break at 50rpm. lol
[19:49:50] <enleth> zeeshan: well, it's still more rigid than a typical manual Bridgeport and certainly rigid enough for my needs
[19:50:02] <zeeshan> then dont sell it :P
[19:50:26] <enleth> Until I saw the offer on a local auction site, I was actually considering one of the Sieg's manuual benchtop mills
[19:50:36] <enleth> It would have been more expensive
[19:51:08] <enleth> It would have fit through the door too, but oh well
[19:51:12] <andypugh> that’s me, testing something
[19:51:23] <webchar> and me again
[19:51:48] <enleth> But the next time I have to move the workshop, I'm not dismantling it.
[19:52:08] <enleth> It's easier to take down a wall to let a forklift in and then rebuild it
[19:52:22] <zeeshan> enleth: that is a nice machine, just saw the pics
[19:52:35] <zeeshan> but when i was talking about rigidty, i wasnt talking about the mass of the machine
[19:52:40] <enleth> zeeshan: yeah. It was just unspeakably dirty.
[19:52:41] <furrywolf> taking down walls with a forklift is EASY. it often happens by accident, in fact. it's putting them back together that takes longer. :P
[19:52:41] <zeeshan> the r8 spindle taper is the prob
[19:52:48] <enleth> zeeshan: what R8?
[19:52:55] <enleth> zeeshan: it's QC 30
[19:53:00] <zeeshan> oh!
[19:53:05] <furrywolf> zeeshan: you'd like my b&s. 40. :P
[19:53:08] <zeeshan> i thought series 1 was r8
[19:53:14] <zeeshan> series 2 came with #40
[19:53:25] <zeeshan> maybe it was an option
[19:53:26] <enleth> zeeshan: the manual head models, yeah
[19:53:41] <enleth> zeeshan: but the CNC/MDI heads were QC 30
[19:53:42] <furrywolf> mine had an option for a 50 taper, but I do not have that option.
[19:53:50] <zeeshan> ah
[19:53:57] <zeeshan> the one i worked on was a r8
[19:54:00] <zeeshan> it was series 1
[19:54:09] <enleth> zeeshan: but what kind of head?
[19:54:17] <zeeshan> no idea
[19:54:21] <zeeshan> definitely not a J type though
[19:54:31] <zeeshan> it was that big ass rectangular looking head
[19:54:44] <enleth> zeeshan: you mean, it looked similar to mine?
[19:54:53] <zeeshan> yes
[19:55:03] <enleth> zeeshan: maybe it had the spindle swapped for R8 or was custom ordered with one
[19:55:26] <enleth> zeeshan: like, by a shop that had loads of R8 tooling already and didn't want to buy it all again
[19:55:37] <zeeshan> yea
[19:56:06] <zeeshan> it is rigid enough :)
[19:56:10] <zeeshan> i retract my last statement
[19:56:55] <zeeshan> furrywolf: you need to take some pics of the bs in action
[19:57:15] <furrywolf> it's currently out of action until I fix the knee.
[19:57:59] <enleth> zeeshan: the only problem is that cheap chinesel ISO30 tooling doesn't fit the QC30 spindle OOTB
[19:59:25] <enleth> zeeshan: today I ground the flange on the ER16 holder on a bench grinder, freehand, because my lathe is dead, I'm waiting for spares to arrive and I couldn't wait to actually mount some tools
[19:59:46] <enleth> But it takes forever and looks ugly
[20:00:37] <enleth> And you have to tape it all up and clean it afterwards to avoid getting any grinding dust on the taper, which takes another forever
[20:03:12] <Wolf_> wonder if I can find a 120v 0.5hp VFD
[20:03:23] <furrywolf> yes
[20:03:25] <enleth> Wolf_: why so small?
[20:03:33] <furrywolf> because I have seen them for sale. :P
[20:03:36] <Wolf_> really small mill
[20:04:09] <furrywolf> keep in mind you can NOT vfd most single-phase motors.
[20:04:11] <enleth> Wolf_: around here it doesn't even make sense to buy a VFD below 2.5kW because the price difference between that and 700W is not even 1.5x
[20:04:46] <enleth> Wolf_: so it's better to buy a bigger one and just underutilize it. In case you ever need a bigger one, you already have it.
[20:04:46] <Wolf_> yeah, mostly i’m looking for something thats not 380/460v lol
[20:04:46] <furrywolf> but if you really have a 0.5hp 3ph motor, then they're available.
[20:05:16] <Wolf_> found a 1/4hp...
[20:06:04] <Wolf_> 220v...
[20:07:04] <furrywolf> random power-related question: why are lamps always ungrounded? I built a light fixture two days ago, with a grounded cord, then realized I can't plug it into anything you'd normally plug a lamp into.
[20:08:29] <enleth> furrywolf: are you in the US?
[20:09:13] <Wolf_> ouch, see what you mean enleth, 0.5hp 120v single phase $89/$130 buyitnow
[20:09:22] <furrywolf> yes
[20:09:34] <enleth> furrywolf: well, that seems to be a US thing
[20:09:45] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Get more modern outlets :P
[20:09:55] <Wolf_> oh wait, its single phase in/out cool
[20:11:09] <enleth> furrywolf: I mean, here it's common for idiot electricians to use a L/N/PE cable for a two-section ceiling fixture, with the PE wire used to carry current
[20:11:22] <enleth> furrywolf: but it's totally agains the electrical code
[20:11:27] <furrywolf> malcom2073: it's not just outlets... anything meant for lamps is ungrounded. dimmers, extensions, switches, remote controls, etc, etc.
[20:13:31] <furrywolf> I'm taking apart my nice properly grounded wiring to put on an ungrounded cord.
[20:17:38] <furrywolf> I'm sick of dark dreary days, so I built two open 4-bulb fixtures, and put four 1600lm bulbs in each one. it may be dark and dreary outside, but my living room ain't. :)
[20:17:44] <furrywolf> 12800lm...
[20:27:08] <jdh> what temp?
[20:29:59] <Jymmm> furrywolf: what bulbs?
[20:30:34] <furrywolf> costco LED bulbs
[20:30:51] <Jymmm> oh, life CFL, but LED ?
[20:30:55] <Jymmm> like*
[20:31:15] <furrywolf> ... no, like LED.
[20:31:15] <furrywolf> lol
[20:31:34] <renesis> i think he means the packaging
[20:31:38] <Jymmm> led's are 5mm, dont think that would remove dark and dreary
[20:31:46] <jdh> http://wilmington.craigslist.org/for/5223169300.html
[20:31:49] <renesis> normal edison socket with plastic electronic base
[20:32:01] <furrywolf> ... perhaps you haven't noticed, but LEDs have advanced a bit since 1990.
[20:32:09] <renesis> LEDs come in damn near any size now
[20:32:21] <Jymmm> http://leddrivertesting.com/wp-content/uploads/image/TestingExamples/4WLEDBulb/5_5w-LED-Bulb.jpg
[20:32:22] <renesis> naw they had 3mm and 10mm LEDs in the 70s =)
[20:32:28] <furrywolf> first of all, 5mm LEDs are close to dead.
[20:32:32] <Wolf_> hell they have advanced a bit in the last 5 years
[20:32:38] <renesis> nice sink
[20:32:56] <jdh> what do we think of a Tree 350
[20:32:59] <renesis> they advanced a fuckton between 15 and 5 years ago
[20:33:00] <Jymmm> The elements are STILL 5-10mm, no matter the packing
[20:33:29] <Wolf_> you sure about that
[20:33:29] <renesis> well in that case its more like 1 to 2 mm
[20:33:39] <renesis> if that
[20:34:08] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Sometime smaller and longer elements http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v1/60023257151/Amber_E27_dimmable_COB_Led_Filament_lighting.jpg
[20:34:53] <Wolf_> thats more of a novelty bulb imo
[20:35:03] <furrywolf> Jymmm: if you're clueless, don't talk. :)
[20:35:13] <Wolf_> XP-G R5 or something of the sort IMO
[20:36:13] <Jymmm> I need some amber fog lamps, still ahvne't seen any LED ones that do 180 degrees though
[20:36:26] <furrywolf> Jymmm: making bulbs out of lots of 5mm LEDs is dead, and now only used for the cheapest chinese garbage they're dumping because they don't want to purchase new equipment.
[20:37:06] <furrywolf> modern LED products either use surface mount LEDs, of a wide variety of sizes, or high-power emitters, up to 10W or more from a single die.
[20:37:45] <Jymmm> furrywolf: and your point is?
[20:37:55] <Wolf_> fuck them 5mm leds… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIDcW-BVbeM
[20:38:00] <furrywolf> there's also COB leds, filament LEDs, and other things that are not 5mm.
[20:38:34] <furrywolf> my point is "<Jymmm> The elements are STILL 5-10mm, no matter the packing" is utterly fucking wrong?
[20:38:35] <Wolf_> bad choice of vids lol
[20:38:59] <Jymmm> furrywolf: and your point is?
[20:39:49] <furrywolf> https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/antique-led-filament-bulbs/ those are cool. I have a few. yes, they're LED.
[20:41:39] <Contract_Pilot> Evening
[20:43:49] <Jymmm> Well, crap they dont make WIDE angle amber led fog lamps, guess I'll have to do the old fashion halogen
[20:44:20] <Jymmm> http://www.hardworkingtrucks.com/2013-fog-light-buyers-guide/
[20:44:31] * furrywolf finds them cool, at least
[20:45:08] <furrywolf> because fog lamps aren't supposed to be wide angle, because wide angle just causes glare both to you and to other drivers?
[20:45:56] <Contract_Pilot> andy pugh referd me here!
[20:45:56] <Jymmm> I've had way too many deer cross my path lately becasue I can't see off to the sides as they jump out into the road
[20:46:13] <Contract_Pilot> New to LCNC
[20:46:23] <Jymmm> Contract_Pilot: He's usually here earlier in the weekdays
[20:46:32] * Contract_Pilot new to LCNC
[20:46:46] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, said he was getting sleep.
[20:47:15] <Wolf_> Jymmm: http://www.rigidindustries.com/led-lighting/20212
[20:47:49] <Jymmm> Wolf_: I need closer to 180 degree, not 20
[20:48:22] <Contract_Pilot> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/16-stepconf-wizard/3501-light-machines-company-mill?start=30#62669
[20:48:35] <Jymmm> Wolf_: kinda like this (amber) http://blogsdir.cms.rrcdn.com/37/files/2013/07/Vehicle-Beam-Patterns-duPre-400x314.jpg
[20:49:14] <Contract_Pilot> Wire the p-port to sink current rather than source???
[20:49:39] <Contract_Pilot> Not sure how to wire it to sink?
[20:49:43] <PCW> usually works better that way
[20:49:57] <Jymmm> PCW: he doens't understand sink/source
[20:50:57] <furrywolf> I'm always amused when I see purpose-built deer spotlighting rigs
[20:51:01] <PCW> sink in this context means pull towards ground
[20:51:32] <Contract_Pilot> Any example of wiring?
[20:51:57] <Wolf_> Jymmm: they make more then one light http://www.rigidindustries.com/led-lighting/50112
[20:52:17] <PCW> this mainly applies to step drives with optocoupled inputs
[20:52:44] <PCW> if thats not your situation, don't worry about it
[20:53:45] <Wolf_> Jymmm: but only legal ones are http://www.rigidindustries.com/led-lighting/50481
[20:54:01] <Contract_Pilot> Ok, what wiring changes do i need to do?
[20:54:18] <Contract_Pilot> Do i need to just add diodes or??
[20:57:20] <Contract_Pilot> been years since i was on IRC hahahah
[20:57:37] <Contract_Pilot> somthing like alt.tvfix
[20:59:21] <Jymmm> Contract_Pilot: That would be newsgroups, not irc =)
[20:59:45] <Jymmm> Contract_Pilot: same era though =)
[21:00:55] <Contract_Pilot> for sure I used MIRc
[21:11:29] <Contract_Pilot> Ok, Added a LED not a thing.
[21:19:48] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot did you get your answer for sink vs source?
[21:20:26] <Contract_Pilot> Nope
[21:20:46] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot are you working with a PC Parallel Port?
[21:20:58] <Contract_Pilot> Yes,
[21:21:44] <membiblio> Ok so the long and short of sink versus source is as follows - and remember that the PC Parallel port should be restricted to just +5v, +3.3v and ground - absolutely nothing else.
[21:22:39] <membiblio> If you want to sink current then the parallel port output pin is set to GROUND or 0 and your 'device', maybe a LED, has one lead and a resistor to either +5.0v or +3.0v
[21:23:18] <membiblio> So the led has +5v to it and a appropriate current limiting resistor and then the parallel port pin will SINK current to ground
[21:23:34] <membiblio> and the led will light when you write a 0 to that port and be dark when you write a 1
[21:23:54] <Contract_Pilot> Totally lost
[21:23:56] <membiblio> parallel ports, all output ports, either sink better or source better
[21:24:00] <Contract_Pilot> a diagram would help
[21:24:21] <membiblio> Think of SINK as sinking to ground
[21:24:44] <membiblio> and SOURCE as sourcing current from a positive supply
[21:24:49] <membiblio> So follow -
[21:24:58] <membiblio> you have a led right ?
[21:25:01] <membiblio> follow so far
[21:25:08] <Contract_Pilot> Yep.
[21:25:14] <membiblio> and you want the parallel port to SINK
[21:25:23] <Contract_Pilot> Yes,
[21:25:39] <membiblio> so since the parallel port sinks to ground then you need to attach the other side of the led to a positive supply which will source
[21:26:37] <membiblio> When you write, in software, a 1 to the parallel port the led will be off because the led turns on when the port SINKS or gives ground to the circuit and you are putting a 1 on it or +5v and the other side of the led is also at +5 volts
[21:26:49] <furrywolf> the source is your kitchen faucet. the sink is the sink under your kitchen faucet. you want water to flow from one to the other. you can either turn your source on and off, or turn your sink's drain on and off. if you have a sink with no source, no water flows. if you have a source with no sink, same thing. you need a source and a sink. the parallel port makes a good sink, so you have to have a source. :P
[21:27:05] * furrywolf decides that analogy failed somewhere
[21:27:25] <membiblio> It was fine but in the middle of another explanation.
[21:27:32] <Contract_Pilot> loosing me. have a schem of how to wire
[21:27:45] <membiblio> Let me find one for you. What are you wiring up?
[21:28:08] <Contract_Pilot> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/16-stepconf-wizard/3501-light-machines-company-mill?start=30#62669
[21:28:39] <Contract_Pilot> Trying to use a spectralight controller from a paralell port.
[21:29:04] <Contract_Pilot> the site that had the wiring is long gone and no archives.
[21:29:04] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot I see a picture - what electronic thing are you wiring to the parallel port?
[21:29:41] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - are you wiring a switch, led or stepper motor driver input?
[21:30:00] <Contract_Pilot> Stepper
[21:30:25] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - which stepper motor driver board are you working with?
[21:30:36] <Contract_Pilot> They enable but i get no movement
[21:30:45] <Contract_Pilot> spectralight
[21:31:07] <furrywolf> ... then why'd you say you had an LED?
[21:31:09] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot please do more typing when you respond - you KNOW I'm going to ask which model next right?
[21:31:36] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - which model stepper motor driver from spectralight are you working with right now?
[21:31:37] <Contract_Pilot> From the post on the forum.
[21:31:44] <Wolf_Mill> complete info = better help
[21:31:56] <Contract_Pilot> the only one there is!
[21:32:03] * furrywolf gives up and wanders off
[21:32:17] <furrywolf> you're not actually a pilot, are you?
[21:32:21] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - but you KNOW we don't know that - right?
[21:32:52] <Contract_Pilot> Right thats why i posted the thread.
[21:33:07] <membiblio> I will search google for spectralight jeepers
[21:33:28] <Contract_Pilot> : build.spaceopera.org
[21:33:40] <membiblio> Ok let me look there
[21:33:49] <Contract_Pilot> buit the site is gone and the archives ate not complete
[21:34:14] <membiblio> And it matters because commercial machines have optically isolated inputs and amateur/hobby mostly have ttl inputs
[21:34:39] <membiblio> That website is not coming up for me build.space....
[21:34:55] <Contract_Pilot> https://web.archive.org/web/20110608204454/http://build.spaceopera.org/
[21:35:56] <Contract_Pilot> Some people have got it going but they do not share the info.
[21:36:06] <furrywolf> ok, so you have a sherline with some proprietary control box. so you're interfacing a parallel port in place of the original isa card, using the original stepper drives?
[21:36:16] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot I don't see anything that will help me identify what type of inputs they are, can you take high res picture of the board, especially around the db-25 connector, and post it somewhere that we can see it?
[21:36:30] <Wolf_Mill> has to be a driver of some sort hooked to this mess
[21:36:46] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - I am going to give a good educated guess that they are ttl inputs
[21:36:47] <Contract_Pilot> Yes, I can
[21:37:12] <membiblio> Next Question - are they just step inputs or step and direction and is there a enable pin?
[21:37:19] <Contract_Pilot> brb with photo
[21:37:28] <membiblio> Ok I think that will help a lot
[21:37:45] <membiblio> And to be clear - not the box - the pcb
[21:37:57] * Wolf_Mill guesses step/dir/enable
[21:38:02] <furrywolf> bah, they don't seem to have archived the wiring diagram that site had.
[21:38:27] <membiblio> I believe you are correct if I were to guess.
[21:39:01] <furrywolf> I'm going to guess optoisolated, since that page says they're all active low.
[21:39:38] <Wolf_Mill> which means there needs to be high input as well right
[21:40:13] * Wolf_Mill still a noob at this stuff
[21:40:23] <furrywolf> https://web.archive.org/web/20120908165016/http://build.spaceopera.org/site/adapterboard/index.html
[21:40:24] <membiblio> Wait that means they require source
[21:40:37] <membiblio> And he said it requires sink.
[21:41:17] <furrywolf> active low means you sink to turn them on...
[21:41:28] <furrywolf> https://web.archive.org/web/20120908164942/http://build.spaceopera.org/site/spectralight0200parallelportadapter/index.html
[21:41:33] <membiblio> Yes that is correct the input is source to the devices sink.
[21:42:03] <membiblio> I am thinking you said they are opto.
[21:42:12] <Wolf_Mill> I'm goign off what I know, which isnt much, my drivers needed either active high and ground source or active low and high source (did I say that right?)
[21:42:14] <furrywolf> there's a complete pinout and wiring instructions
[21:42:59] <membiblio> All the pages I navigate to say missing.
[21:43:40] <furrywolf> membiblio: yes. I did a bit of digging to find the one I just pasted. it's not missing, and it identifies the pins. :)
[21:44:44] <Contract_Pilot> airplanemanuals.com/spectralight
[21:44:48] <membiblio> Sorry I don't see a explanation of the pins.
[21:45:31] <furrywolf> https://web.archive.org/web/20120908165054/http://build.spaceopera.org/site/emc2configuration/index.html
[21:45:41] <membiblio> Ok I don't see any opto's on the board so they must be ttl inputs
[21:45:53] <furrywolf> and there's what the pins do, care of screenshots
[21:46:27] <furrywolf> bah, except the big image isn't archived.
[21:46:31] <membiblio> I can not read those .jpg's and ... right
[21:47:10] <membiblio> So anyway it looks like XYZ are all inverted
[21:47:22] <membiblio> So... Contract_Pilot do you have a scope?
[21:47:38] <furrywolf> the pins are sequential, and you can make out what they're set to, and that the inverted boxes are checked.
[21:48:05] <Contract_Pilot> Nope, no scope.
[21:48:12] <membiblio> There is clearly a charge pump pin but to what?
[21:48:31] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot are you using step_config to configure this?
[21:48:43] <Contract_Pilot> Yes,
[21:49:03] <membiblio> Ok can you take a screen shot of your parallel port config page and post that too?
[21:49:33] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot also are you testing ONE axis at a time inside of step_config?
[21:49:54] <furrywolf> I don't think there's actually a charge pump.
[21:50:05] <furrywolf> not shown on his pinout, and one of the pages talked about making a board to implement that functionality himself.
[21:50:20] <Contract_Pilot> Yes, i can here the steppers power but nothing when jogging
[21:50:25] <membiblio> Ok but that is what the top pin says - ok.
[21:51:01] <membiblio> Ok then concentrate on ONE axis and invert just that axis step and direction pins.
[21:51:22] <membiblio> Try all 4 combinations possible. One will work. Or should.
[21:51:23] <furrywolf> and make sure you have them wired to the right places. :)
[21:51:35] <newradio> http://www.camaster.com/product/ - are these any good?
[21:52:18] <Contract_Pilot> Already done that.
[21:52:38] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot can you also take a picture of your setup and the parallel port and post that also showing the wires.
[21:52:46] <Contract_Pilot> tripple checked the wiring.,
[21:52:48] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - where is that picture?
[21:53:48] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - very important to your sanity - just work on ONE axis at a time - aok?
[21:54:00] <Contract_Pilot> Yep.
[21:54:15] <membiblio> So where is the picture of your setup and the parallel port ?
[21:54:50] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot you have inverted the pins of the axis you are working with and tried to test inside of step_conf?
[21:55:07] <Contract_Pilot> you want me to take a photo of the back of the box and my cable?
[21:55:14] <Contract_Pilot> Yes, i ahve tried that
[21:55:19] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - yes please.
[21:55:27] <Contract_Pilot> brb
[21:55:28] <furrywolf> somehow those images break firefox's jpeg viewer. how the hell can you screw up a JPEG? lol
[21:55:53] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - you have tried 0,0 0,1 1,0 and 1,1 as far as normal and inverted?
[21:56:22] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - try step normal, direction normal
[21:56:31] <furrywolf> direction inverted won't make it not move, just make it move the wrong way.
[21:56:41] <furrywolf> having step and direction swapped will, however.
[21:56:42] <membiblio> Furry you are right.
[21:56:57] <membiblio> Furry yes excellent.
[21:57:20] <membiblio> I guess he needs a scope next unless you can think of something.
[21:57:50] <furrywolf> I don't see a lot of brains in that box.
[21:58:38] <membiblio> It looks like a older discreet stepper driver.
[21:58:42] <renesis> nom, brains
[21:59:00] <furrywolf> there's some big chips
[21:59:30] <furrywolf> https://web.archive.org/web/20121028185532/http://build.spaceopera.org/site/controlboxinternals/index.html has more photos
[22:00:42] <membiblio> It is a analog supply using a 7805 regulator so it is 70/80's tech.
[22:00:44] <furrywolf> I'll need to do that for my sherline at some point... except I have a flashcut box instead of a spectralight box.
[22:00:49] <Contract_Pilot> Uploaded
[22:01:18] <Wolf_Mill> where are you located Contract_Pilot ?
[22:01:33] <Contract_Pilot> Vancouver, WA US
[22:02:36] <furrywolf> so did you build your cable based on the wiring information on that site, or from somewhere else?
[22:02:36] <Wolf_Mill> not very close, pay travel and I'll bring a scope out :D
[22:02:42] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot are you SURE you are looking at the connector correctly - can you easily and reliably identify pin 1 and 25? Inside the shell or on the back you should see pin numbering marks - can you check again?
[22:03:22] <Contract_Pilot> Yes, I verified the pins
[22:03:48] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot also not all the pins on the db25 ground range 18-25 may be connected to ground on the device so be sure of that also.
[22:04:23] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - can you borrow a oscilloscope?
[22:04:31] <furrywolf> Where did you get the wiring information from?
[22:04:53] <Contract_Pilot> Cobbled from a few sources
[22:04:58] <Contract_Pilot> no no scope avaiable.
[22:05:10] <Contract_Pilot> Have all working but the steppers.
[22:05:42] <Wolf_Mill> this is the way it works... I have a scope, didnt need it at all on my build
[22:05:50] <furrywolf> when you run the axis test, you say you hear it enable... when it changes direction, do you hear a tick each time?
[22:05:52] <membiblio> You really need to find yourself a scope to borrow. Or a logic probe. Or use a meter in 0-10v mode but that is hard.
[22:06:25] <membiblio> Furry - but you started with a working stepper right?
[22:06:36] <membiblio> Furry - How does he know his stepper is working?
[22:06:45] <furrywolf> he says he hears it tick
[22:07:00] <Wolf_Mill> I might make a clunk on power up
[22:07:07] <Wolf_Mill> when it starts holding
[22:07:53] <furrywolf> I'm checking to see if step and dir are backwards... if so, it'll step once every time it changes direction.
[22:08:30] <membiblio> Well what I would do is remove all the wires, use individual wires to start and just wire one axis and concentrate on that. That would be me. To give him confidence. As a scope would do because he can see the signals.
[22:08:41] <Contract_Pilot> I have swapped step dir
[22:09:29] <Contract_Pilot> I ahve a fluke 187 i can check 0-10V
[22:09:38] <furrywolf> what did you use for setup/hold times?
[22:09:42] <membiblio> ANd be sure ground is ground by using a meter from the pc chassis to the stepper chassis. It might be floating though but I would check that.
[22:10:29] <Contract_Pilot> I will check the groud.
[22:10:36] <Contract_Pilot> Did not check that.
[22:11:05] <Contract_Pilot> Just the defaults as i did not know what the settings should eb 20,000
[22:11:09] <furrywolf> if your timings are way off, you could have it wired right, but it ignores you.
[22:13:12] <furrywolf> my first guess would be your cable isn't wired the way you think it is, it's wired the way you think it is but that way is wrong, you don't have enough grounds/enables/other pins held high/etc, it has a built-in e-stop that's tripped, your timings don't work (although that usually causes randomness not uselessness), umm...
[22:14:06] <Contract_Pilot> I toned every pin out when wiring.
[22:14:08] <furrywolf> did you make both ends of the parallel cable, or just chop one end off a factory one?
[22:14:38] <furrywolf> so you chopped one end off a factory cable, then? :P
[22:14:47] <Contract_Pilot> Chopped one off and then chaced the wire to a new connector.
[22:15:24] <furrywolf> which axis are you trying to make work at the moment?
[22:16:43] <Contract_Pilot> X
[22:17:16] <Contract_Pilot> brb
[22:18:00] <furrywolf> this would be the pink wire on your plug, right? which pin on the other end does it go to? double-check with ohmmeter and by reading pin numbers in the plug.
[22:18:06] <furrywolf> (for x step)
[22:28:49] <newradio> Just uploaded my small part on protolabs - $1500 for 50 pieces - I think its time to buy a cnc router :)
[22:29:47] <jdh> I just cut some hdpe on my chinese router to mount a flow sensor. It was quite satisfying.
[22:31:47] * furrywolf keeps waiting for Contract_Pilot
[22:37:53] <newradio> jdh: show me the router please :)
[22:38:21] <Contract_Pilot> Pink wire pin goes to pin 3
[22:38:59] <furrywolf> and stepconf has pin 3 as x step?
[22:40:25] <Contract_Pilot> Was verifying my ground and other connections for a 4th time
[22:40:35] <Contract_Pilot> yes pin 3 is X step
[22:41:10] <furrywolf> this type of thing is a lot easier to troubleshoot when you have it in front of you.
[22:41:22] <Contract_Pilot> All grounded I even solderd the shield to chassis.
[22:43:31] <furrywolf> and you have the enable pin wired and set up? do the steppers become hard/impossible to turn by hand?
[22:44:49] <furrywolf> (compare power off, power on but not enabled, and enabled)
[22:45:40] <Contract_Pilot_L> ok on the lcnc box
[22:45:44] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> and you have the enable pin wired and set up? do the steppers become hard/impossible to turn by hand?
[22:45:45] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> (compare power off, power on but not enabled, and enabled)
[22:46:30] <Contract_Pilot_L> when i hit yest axis they enable cannot turn them
[22:46:35] <Contract_Pilot_L> ahhh test
[22:46:49] <furrywolf> ok, that sounds right...
[22:47:06] * furrywolf is out of ideas (being tired results in idea reduction)
[22:47:38] <Contract_Pilot_L> yea some searches said need a buffer board. \
[22:47:56] <furrywolf> a 'scope would answer that nice and quickly.
[22:48:40] <furrywolf> do you have a 1k resistor?
[22:48:59] <furrywolf> (or a few)
[22:49:17] <Contract_Pilot_L> yep.
[22:49:38] <Contract_Pilot_L> my ham shack is where i am at http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Ham-And-PCB-Rework-Bench.jpg
[22:49:48] <Contract_Pilot_L> rather equipped.
[22:49:56] <Contract_Pilot_L> but no scope.
[22:50:31] <furrywolf> unplug your parallel cable from the computer. jumper the enable pin to 5v off the board through a resistor, make sure the steppers enable. then through a second resistor alternately connect the x step pin to 5v and ground, and see if the stepper steps. 1k might be too large, maybe a 220 or something. just to give you some current limiting if something doesn't work the way you think. :)
[22:51:57] <Contract_Pilot_L> ok
[22:52:26] <furrywolf> note that if it works, it will probably suck badly - sometimes work, sometimes not, sometimes running opposite the way it did, etc. you just want to see if you get any life out of it.
[22:52:56] <Contract_Pilot_L> will coble it togather
[22:53:12] <furrywolf> are you using a PC or a laptop?
[22:54:46] <Contract_Pilot_L> pc
[22:54:50] <furrywolf> k
[23:04:39] * furrywolf checks up on the camera outside anomynous's flat in finland
[23:05:08] <anomynous> hello ;)
[23:08:00] <furrywolf> Contract_Pilot: I need sleep.
[23:09:35] <Contract_Pilot_L> k
[23:12:15] <furrywolf> any luck?
[23:20:39] <jdh> newradio: plain chinese 6040
[23:21:00] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:24:24] <newradio> jdh: thanks
[23:24:35] <newradio> looks nice
[23:47:27] <Wolf_Mill> well, as expected, my mill head is way out of tram vs the bed
[23:55:06] <Jymmm> 1500 ft tower just to change a lightbulb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1BgzIZRfT8