#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-09-13

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[00:00:25] <Praesmeodymium> thats the spot laser for seeing where its gonna start burning
[00:00:47] <Praesmeodymium> or thats what they use red lasers in co2 machines for
[00:01:16] <Praesmeodymium> oh missed the first link nvm
[00:01:38] <rootB> im gonna think about ita
[00:01:40] <rootB> and consult people
[00:01:48] <rootB> but thanks linuxcnc i wont burn down my house buying a blue box
[00:02:25] <XXCoder> lol http://www.aliexpress.com/item/250-mw-high-power-laser-laser-engraving-cigarette-point-matches-special-offer-to-send-special-red/32327836890.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.219.mHZ6gK&ws_ab_test=201407_5,201444_6,201409_5
[00:02:33] <XXCoder> gonna love chinenglish
[00:03:24] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: 250mw enough to do anything? I dont think so I guess lol
[00:04:04] <Praesmeodymium> cut foam
[00:04:16] <Praesmeodymium> also very much depends on material and frequency
[00:04:16] <XXCoder> 500?
[00:05:13] <XXCoder> rootB: yeah need research before doing anything
[00:05:45] <XXCoder> found 1000mw
[00:06:43] <Praesmeodymium> XXCoder: like what are you thinking for cutting? I mean 500 should cut paper and other super thin wood products, at nearly any frequency, but like near uv might be able to etch metal red never would at that power, partial because of spot size, and partially reflectivity of frequencies
[00:07:10] <XXCoder> not really planning anything just mainly curious
[00:07:21] <XXCoder> just found strange oibe
[00:07:23] <XXCoder> *one
[00:07:29] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/110V-220V-20W-1064nm-Fiber-Small-Size-for-Metal-Cutting-Engraving-Marking-Machine/32362721514.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.237.L9RlB9&ws_ab_test=201407_5,201444_6,201409_5
[00:07:39] <Praesmeodymium> and the focusing lenses eat a bit of power
[00:08:04] <Praesmeodymium> ah yeah fiber markers get use for a lot of stuff
[00:08:19] <XXCoder> how do it do it?>
[00:08:31] <XXCoder> I dont see muchn axles besides z
[00:09:36] <Praesmeodymium> ftheta lens in the head means its gonno have a galvo system or something right in front
[00:12:51] <Praesmeodymium> that lense is probably a significant protion of the cost thinking about it a visible spectrum f-theta is like 600$ one for that frequency that isnt going to break down under use has to be a cost
[00:13:14] <XXCoder> LOL http://www.synthfool.com/laser/expect_me_to_talk.mp4
[00:13:38] <Praesmeodymium> no mr bond I expect you ti die
[00:13:45] <XXCoder> indeed
[00:14:29] <XXCoder> oh that site author? he died in 2014. too bad
[01:19:58] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/tb995kwvxi1arwl/AAA2m5uXROUtSgk9VZ8ulfFca
[01:20:04] <t12> def think feedrod is bent :(
[01:25:22] <XXCoder> ow
[01:25:31] <XXCoder> so it moves in and out as it cuts?
[01:30:05] <t12> yeah
[01:30:15] <t12> i think it lifts the carriage slightly (or something)
[01:30:30] <t12> i guess i can just pull the feedrod off and measure/straighten/replace
[01:30:44] <t12> the dips are maybe .0005"
[01:32:30] <XXCoder> not too bad but still huge compared to normal lathe specs.
[01:32:44] <XXCoder> I notice lathe tend to be more precise on milling
[01:32:48] <XXCoder> *than
[01:33:24] <t12> ya
[01:33:30] <t12> i think this is rougly what i epxected from cheapo lathe
[01:33:33] <t12> but want to see how good i can get it
[01:33:40] <t12> masochism
[01:33:53] <t12> builds character! or something
[01:35:45] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:35:57] <XXCoder> get to atomic precision or you suck!!!
[01:35:59] <XXCoder> lol
[01:37:21] <t12> cut to 40 page practicalmachinst thread
[01:37:25] <t12> of metrology dick waving
[01:37:35] <t12> they're pretty good threads tho
[01:38:36] <XXCoder> cool
[01:41:00] <t12> even though its a bit rough my nights mission of some fit parts as worry beads is complete
[01:41:23] <XXCoder> cool
[01:41:32] <XXCoder> I need to get my machine working bleh
[01:44:05] <t12> leaded steel sure is pleasant to machine
[01:44:25] <XXCoder> leaded steel?
[01:46:37] <archivist> free machining
[01:48:41] <XXCoder> interesting
[01:50:09] <archivist> much easier to use than normal cheap mild steel
[01:52:11] <XXCoder> doubt I will ever mill steel of any kind
[02:23:54] <Deejay> moin
[02:34:23] <XXCoder> lol
[02:34:27] <XXCoder> found 4000 farad cao
[02:34:29] <XXCoder> cap
[02:34:39] <XXCoder> wonder how long it could run flashlight
[02:35:33] <Deejay> hi XXCoder
[02:35:45] <XXCoder> hey
[02:36:00] <Deejay> must be a bigger cap
[02:36:42] <XXCoder> 150 farad is around 35 minutes
[02:36:50] <XXCoder> I dont know if it scales up linearly
[02:37:07] <Deejay> it should
[02:37:18] <XXCoder> 15.6 hours approx
[02:37:23] <Deejay> hrhr
[02:37:29] <XXCoder> that is long time.
[02:37:52] <Deejay> whats the weight of this cap?
[02:38:35] <XXCoder> http://www.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Capacitors/_/N-5g7r?P=1yuenk0Z1yuep2bZ1yuep2yZ1yuendyZ1yuep2xZ1yuep2nZ1yueravZ1yueofyZ1yuep2vZ1yueiftZ1yuep2iZ1yxcbkm&Ns=Capacitance|1
[02:38:38] <XXCoder> not sure yet
[02:39:05] <Deejay> hmm, only 2.5 volts
[02:39:22] <XXCoder> yeah 2.5v led. not very bright
[02:39:40] <Deejay> in the datasheet, there is also 6000 farads
[02:39:51] <Deejay> 4000: 800g
[02:39:55] <Deejay> 6000: 1300g
[02:40:04] <XXCoder> largest in terms of vdc is 25v
[02:40:11] <Praesmeodymium> amazing I woulda thought that was near car battery sizes
[02:40:21] <XXCoder> it says 1.05 pF though lol
[02:40:41] <Deejay> yeah, need to put some of them in series to reach higher voltages
[02:40:52] <XXCoder> 2.7v is most common apparently
[02:41:31] <XXCoder> 80-S301RV308R2R7W is interesting
[02:41:35] <XXCoder> tolence is -0%
[02:41:42] <XXCoder> meaning it has 3000F as minium
[02:41:52] <XXCoder> $85 lol
[02:42:01] <Deejay> Praesmeodymium, i think car batteries are bigger because they are built to deliver high currents
[02:42:17] <Praesmeodymium> totally differnt storage system
[02:42:18] <XXCoder> Deejay: someone made capactor battery for car
[02:42:19] <XXCoder> works fine
[02:42:26] <Deejay> hehe yeah
[02:42:36] <XXCoder> it was much smaller and lighter
[02:42:41] <Deejay> nice idea for starting help
[02:42:45] <Deejay> if your car battery is low
[02:42:54] <Deejay> quick charge at mains, carry to car, start...
[02:43:40] <XXCoder> that 3000f cap is 60.7mm diameter length of 144
[02:43:42] <XXCoder> mm
[02:43:59] <Deejay> perhaps the self discharge is too high for car battery?
[02:44:02] <XXCoder> thats 5.7 inches roughly
[02:44:15] <XXCoder> Deejay: guy who did it says it goes flat in month
[02:44:20] <Deejay> if you can't start after the car was not used for some days, its not nice
[02:44:25] <XXCoder> which is quite short for car battery but if everyday its fine
[02:44:32] <Deejay> oh, a month is okay
[02:44:44] <XXCoder> cold its quite a lot shorter if I recall. a week?
[02:44:53] <Deejay> hm okay
[02:45:11] <Deejay> a week would be to less for me
[02:45:14] <XXCoder> 2.36 inch diameter lol
[02:45:48] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3x_kYq3mHM
[02:46:23] <Deejay> oh, 350 farads each
[02:46:41] <XXCoder> yeah and we have monster farad now
[02:46:44] <Deejay> :D
[02:47:11] <XXCoder> it would be expensive
[02:47:19] <XXCoder> 6x 3000 farads
[02:47:23] <XXCoder> but ya know
[02:47:27] <XXCoder> battery wear out
[02:47:47] <Deejay> yeah, battery is done after a few years
[02:47:52] <XXCoder> and this cap battery you could will it to your childreb
[02:47:54] <Deejay> caps shouldn't be
[02:47:59] <XXCoder> and your children down
[02:48:05] <Deejay> :)
[02:50:23] <XXCoder> honestly I would build waterproof case of it
[02:50:29] <XXCoder> call them caps going off.. lol
[02:54:56] <XXCoder> the small version lasted few days of chanking and starting
[02:55:01] <XXCoder> and no alt feeding it at all
[02:59:21] <XXCoder> yeah it does seem to charge off solar
[02:59:47] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUXM1XuLUIs
[03:01:50] <XXCoder> ebay has bunch of cap batteries Deejay
[03:15:37] <XXCoder> "As I've just learned, capacitors don't behave the same way as batteries when placed in series. 6x 3000F capacitors in series has only 500F capacity at ~14V."
[03:15:39] <XXCoder> interesting
[03:15:59] <XXCoder> too bad theres no specifically 14v capactor
[03:48:08] <archivist> 16v is the standard
[03:48:26] <XXCoder> whats largest cap for 16v
[03:48:46] <archivist> too lazy too google
[03:49:04] <XXCoder> use yahoo then ;) if google is too.. google. lol
[03:49:06] <XXCoder> jk
[03:51:32] <XXCoder> 50F so far
[03:51:47] <XXCoder> 58f
[03:53:48] <Loetmichel> ic*meh* i think i need a new HDD for this machine... "uiiiit.click.uiiiit.click.uiiiit.click.uiiiit.click.uiiiit.click." *BSOD 00007a* and thats not the first time. but SMART says the disk is fine? 0 realloated sectors, no read errors, no pending, nothing... ?!?
[03:54:37] <XXCoder> weird
[03:55:53] <XXCoder> my pc hard drive is failing already
[03:55:56] <XXCoder> seek error
[03:57:13] * Loetmichel thinks its the HDDs power connector. had one break a few years ago... some are very thin metal. a few times plugged in an they break.
[03:58:38] <XXCoder> sucks
[03:59:17] <Loetmichel> because reaching intothe PC and juggling the HDDs power connector usually "cures" that clicking for a while
[03:59:48] <XXCoder> try this
[04:00:00] <XXCoder> filmly tap the spindle center of hard drive
[04:01:08] <XXCoder> then feel it
[04:01:14] <XXCoder> do it feel like rocks is in it?
[04:01:42] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: modern (2tb) HDDs dont have ball bearings
[04:02:05] <XXCoder> whats it use?
[04:02:05] <Loetmichel> besides: you cant get to the spindle shaft without destroying the HDD these days
[04:02:21] <Loetmichel> fluid bearings
[04:02:36] <Loetmichel> "hydrodynamic bearings"
[04:02:43] <XXCoder> interesting
[04:03:02] <XXCoder> made me think though. hard driver basically has motors with encoder
[04:03:10] <XXCoder> wonder if it can be used for light duty cnc lol
[04:03:14] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[04:03:19] <Loetmichel> it has no encoder
[04:03:30] <Loetmichel> just the hall sensors needed for commutating
[04:03:34] <XXCoder> it should as it need to know position
[04:03:46] <enleth> XXCoder: nope. Those are BLDCs engineered for specific speed ranges
[04:03:53] <XXCoder> interesting
[04:03:58] <Loetmichel> it reads the data on the disk foir positon
[04:04:06] <Loetmichel> ("embedded servo track"
[04:04:21] <enleth> XXCoder: the motor controller itself doesn't know shit about position
[04:04:44] <enleth> XXCoder: it just keeps the RPMs constant
[04:04:51] <XXCoder> ok
[04:05:02] <Loetmichel> the motor controller just gives a signal to the rest of the electtronics "reached stable rpm"
[04:05:15] <Loetmichel> then the heads dive in
[04:05:53] <enleth> The only thing they could be good for is maybe light engraving at 5400, 7200, 10000 or 15000 rpm
[04:06:30] <XXCoder> yeah pretty much useless
[04:06:51] <XXCoder> theres people who made nice clock with hd though
[04:07:01] <enleth> Much more useful is the arm bearing
[04:07:12] <Loetmichel> the HDD drive motrs are nice compact brushless motors tho
[04:07:24] <enleth> A friend used a bunch of those to make a gyro
[04:07:25] <Loetmichel> make for "not bad at all" PC plane drives ;)
[04:07:38] <XXCoder> nice
[04:07:41] <Loetmichel> RC
[04:08:23] <enleth> Loetmichel: isn't the torque rather limited?
[04:10:28] <XXCoder> enleth: apparently capactors farads add in parallel wire setup. so I guess can create 6 parallel setup in series in order to make large capactity 12v
[04:10:56] <XXCoder> 6x of 3000F 12v is 500F overall at 12v
[04:11:30] <XXCoder> if it has enough in parallel to get oit to 3000f in 12v it probbly would work
[04:11:54] <XXCoder> thats if I recall basic electics wiring correctly lol
[04:12:23] <Loetmichel> enleth: surprisingly not
[04:12:38] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: effecient motor on power usage?
[04:12:39] <Loetmichel> but you have to machine the rotor to get some air into the theing
[04:12:50] <Loetmichel> because it will overheat if tortured in a model plane
[04:12:57] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: yes
[04:13:40] <Loetmichel> thats the problem with a 20W motor that is made to put out nearly 800W ;)
[04:13:57] <XXCoder> lol
[04:14:00] <renesis> wait what are you doing with caps?
[04:14:27] <XXCoder> renesis: just conceptal discussion since we saw that supercaps as car battery
[04:14:44] <XXCoder> 6x 350F 2.7v seem to last few days no charge but few startups
[04:14:51] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: you mean in series, not parallel
[04:14:56] <XXCoder> 6x3000F 2.7v lasts bit longer
[04:15:05] <Loetmichel> the supercaps are 2,5V iirc
[04:15:09] <renesis> it should last like 10x longer
[04:15:18] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: I had idea of usine parallel to pump of farad size, then series to push v to 12
[04:15:27] <Loetmichel> ah
[04:15:30] <Loetmichel> i see
[04:15:34] <XXCoder> it would massive take a hit on F but thats why parallel
[04:15:39] <renesis> you have to make sure they split the voltage evenly
[04:15:41] <Loetmichel> that will be a space problem then
[04:15:56] <XXCoder> yeah yet lighter than lead battery
[04:15:57] <renesis> sometimes parallel resistors are used
[04:16:01] <Loetmichel> renesis: the supercaps have relatively high leak currents
[04:16:06] <XXCoder> and basically immortal.
[04:16:09] <Loetmichel> so they tend to balance themselves
[04:16:22] <renesis> this assumes similar esr no?
[04:16:35] <renesis> esr is prob diff through leakage path, shrug
[04:17:15] <Loetmichel> esr IS high compared to the capacity
[04:17:29] <Loetmichel> but absolute values are very low
[04:17:45] <Loetmichel> because of the insane capacity ;)
[04:18:06] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: though I wonder about voltage booster
[04:18:16] <XXCoder> so just massively parallel caps with it?
[04:18:20] <Loetmichel> i used a 4s 2300mAh A123 pack with good results to jumpstart my car a lot of times
[04:18:22] <XXCoder> not too sure how booster works.
[04:18:38] <renesis> if this is for driving a motor, it makes most sense to just wond the motor coil for 2.7V
[04:18:44] <renesis> conversion is lossy
[04:18:53] <renesis> *wind
[04:19:11] <XXCoder> renesis: nah as swap in car battery so have to be 12v (assuming reular car)
[04:19:18] <Loetmichel> (if you fly model helicoppters a lot and tend to be the last one on the model airfield you run into "battery empty" situations a lot ;)
[04:20:05] <XXCoder> heh I like planes more than helicopers
[04:20:09] <Loetmichel> i was surprised that the small packs can actually start a 2.5 liters 6cylinder turbocharged diesel with ease ;)
[04:20:11] <XXCoder> but planes need more space.
[04:20:45] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11184 <- these packs
[04:20:50] <XXCoder> renesis: you know much about volt booster? lol
[04:21:25] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: i wouldnt bother with supercaps for car
[04:21:34] <renesis> what do you mean volt booster
[04:21:40] <renesis> like a switching dc converter?
[04:21:45] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: yeah for now. capactor tech still slowly improving
[04:21:51] <Loetmichel> if i wanted to have a longlife battery i would get one of the 20Ah lifepo4 car batterys
[04:21:52] <XXCoder> renesis: any way to get 2.7v to 12v
[04:21:57] <XXCoder> without series
[04:22:08] <Loetmichel> they are direct replacement for the lead ones and live nearly forever
[04:22:13] <Loetmichel> they are expensive tho
[04:22:32] <renesis> you have to chop it up and either put it through a coil and diode, or transformer
[04:22:52] <renesis> then you filter, or rectify and filter
[04:23:32] <XXCoder> more volt in ecchange for less amp?
[04:23:37] <renesis> so their loss in the FET, loss in the coils and diodes, theres like a dozen ways for it to go wrong easy
[04:23:48] <renesis> yeah basically
[04:24:07] <XXCoder> interesting. so best way is simply have capactor at or above v rating for car engine
[04:24:11] <XXCoder> 12v or 16v
[04:24:35] <XXCoder> but so far I dont see massive F on those, 16v highest farad is 58F.
[04:24:36] <renesis> with low Rds_on fets and schottky diodes and expensive coils, and low speed switch (which makes the magnetics big and expensive), you can get over 90% efficient
[04:24:43] <XXCoder> parallel em would cost so much lol
[04:24:58] <renesis> realistically, its usually like 80% on high power stuff with cost effective magnetics
[04:25:22] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: interesting
[04:25:27] <renesis> well you dont get extra capacity, paralell vs series, so it should cost the same
[04:25:29] <XXCoder> seem to cost around twice regular?
[04:25:47] <XXCoder> what Ah do car need?
[04:26:57] <XXCoder> anyway
[04:26:59] <renesis> they prob have 12v cap packs for car stuff now with all the hybrids
[04:27:09] <XXCoder> possibly
[04:27:47] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWOxk0a8M6M
[04:27:56] <XXCoder> guy is nuts
[04:28:56] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoWMF3VkI6U afrotechmods fun
[04:29:04] <renesis> uhohz
[04:29:22] <Loetmichel> renesis: a SMPS that can start an engine at several 100A would be grossly oversized
[04:29:42] <renesis> ya
[04:29:51] <Loetmichel> so i would think that you would need to rewind the starter to 2.7V
[04:30:08] <renesis> or just build the cap for 12V and change
[04:30:10] <Loetmichel> problem with that is that the cables are already as thick as one can manage
[04:30:16] <renesis> yeah
[04:30:17] <Loetmichel> and at 2.7V they would be gross
[04:30:26] <XXCoder> just do solid plates
[04:30:32] <renesis> they prob wouldnt be cables anymore
[04:30:34] <renesis> bus bars
[04:30:36] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:30:37] <Loetmichel> i had a tatra semi with a 17.5liters V12 diesel once
[04:30:48] <renesis> cap would probably be part of a starter assembly
[04:30:52] <Loetmichel> it had 2(!) starters rated 24V 1000A...
[04:30:59] <renesis> nice
[04:31:10] <XXCoder> renesis: yeah 2.7v 4000F (largest I see so far)
[04:31:15] <XXCoder> thats just massive F
[04:31:28] <XXCoder> and no series to sap capactity fast
[04:31:32] <Loetmichel> and 1" thick cables running from the batteries to the starter motors ;)
[04:31:49] <XXCoder> I wouldnt do cables that way, just solid rods
[04:32:03] <XXCoder> maybe very short cable from rod to cap
[04:32:18] <Loetmichel> imagine cables rated for 10kA there... (1/10 the voltage, 10 times the current for same power)
[04:32:50] <XXCoder> how easy is it to rewind starter? lol
[04:32:59] <Loetmichel> not easy at all
[04:33:10] <XXCoder> alternator'd have to be done too
[04:33:23] <XXCoder> then rest of electrics hm
[04:41:36] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xONZcBJh5A&feature=iv&src_vid=EoWMF3VkI6U
[04:41:38] <XXCoder> fun video
[04:42:32] <XXCoder> one thing about afrotechmods videos
[04:42:37] <XXCoder> good percent is captioned.
[04:56:15] <Loetmichel> hihi
[04:56:33] <Loetmichel> "someone who is not very bright" and a pic of bush junior ;)
[04:56:39] <XXCoder> indeed
[04:58:41] <Praesmeodymium> i had always wondered what my capacitance was
[04:58:57] <Loetmichel> a few (double digit) pico farads
[04:59:00] <XXCoder> well now you know
[04:59:07] <XXCoder> next! ;)
[04:59:28] <Loetmichel> on the other hand the video is sinmplified
[04:59:52] <Loetmichel> one CAN touch the HV of a CRT... usually they are current limited to 8mA
[05:00:02] <Loetmichel> which means: panful bit not at all deadly
[05:00:23] <Praesmeodymium> I have in fact been knocked on my ass by the capacitor that is an uplugged crt
[05:00:37] <Loetmichel> yeah, it hurts
[05:00:53] <Loetmichel> but i did it on pourpose more than one time
[05:01:00] <Loetmichel> and still live to tell the tale ;)
[05:01:01] <Praesmeodymium> ahh HS electronics and a teacher who didnt tell me what I should know when opening a tv lol
[05:01:24] <Loetmichel> you can draw nice sparks from a running CRT that way
[05:01:47] <Loetmichel> scares away ANY customer that is tooo close for comfort when repairing old CRT tvs ;)
[05:02:12] <Loetmichel> when they see a half foot spark impact your finger ;)
[05:02:35] <Loetmichel> "kids dont try that at home" ;)
[05:04:41] <XXCoder> heh remember this stupid trick with static electricity
[05:04:55] <XXCoder> metal stores charge well, so just hold dumbells while shuffing
[05:04:57] <XXCoder> boom
[05:05:03] <XXCoder> well not literally
[05:08:50] <MattyMatt> I put my finger in a 240V edison screw disco light, to feel what modulated 240V felt like
[05:10:00] <MattyMatt> Across the shop, into the 276-xxxx pegboards, if you're wondering how far I flew
[05:10:21] <XXCoder> crazy
[05:10:58] <XXCoder> one time while rewiring friend of my got stuck holding wires
[05:11:05] <MattyMatt> crazy would be twice
[05:11:20] <XXCoder> I made double fist to hit his hands off but he managed to let go right before i him him
[05:11:31] <MattyMatt> once was merely stupid
[05:11:32] <XXCoder> it was pretty closem he was off for months after
[05:12:11] <MattyMatt> I thought AC didn't make you grab the wire
[05:12:18] <XXCoder> funny because he let go right before I hit, so I ended up almost falling forward into wires
[05:12:47] <MattyMatt> I'm probably just spouting propoganda from the westinghouse-edison war
[05:12:51] <Praesmeodymium> 50hz doesnt 60hz does
[05:13:05] <XXCoder> wonder why
[05:13:36] <Praesmeodymium> 60hz cause the muscle to fire 50hz disrupts the firing or something from the back of my head
[05:14:31] <MattyMatt> I thought the nervous system ran at 7hz
[05:15:50] <MattyMatt> meh, it runs on mush
[05:16:15] <XXCoder> it would be funny if there was upgrade to transfer info faster than nerves
[05:16:29] <XXCoder> fiber optics for one, which is vastly faster
[05:16:33] <MattyMatt> kill all fleshies
[05:16:40] <XXCoder> no
[05:16:40] <MattyMatt> oops wrong channel >:)
[05:16:46] <XXCoder> upgrade! upgrade!
[05:16:54] <XXCoder> cybermen lol
[05:17:48] <MattyMatt> mine was CallMeKenneth from the robot war in 2000AD
[05:18:01] <XXCoder> lol ok
[05:18:17] <MattyMatt> carpentry robot. hmm. and now I'm making carpentry machines. big hmmmm
[05:18:49] <MattyMatt> he had a saw for a right hand
[05:18:49] <Praesmeodymium> a little quick research makes me wonder if that isnt just old wives tale nationlism crap,,, it seems there is a let go current for ac
[05:19:24] <MattyMatt> 1000A and you let go explosively? :)
[05:20:31] <Praesmeodymium> like with 60 hz you percieve it at 1ma you can let go of it between 6-9ma and after 25 you are locked on
[05:20:46] <Praesmeodymium> https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/scenario/labman4/safety.htm
[05:21:07] <MattyMatt> hang on. carpentry robot in the mega city?? where were the trees coming from? outside the city was a nuclear wasteland
[05:21:30] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: probably retired carpentry robot
[05:21:53] <XXCoder> or maybe tree farms. I had tree farms when I was playing minecraft lol
[05:21:55] <XXCoder> smart move
[05:21:57] <MattyMatt> probably plastiwood. that's how they dealt with awkward questions like that
[05:22:05] <malcom2073> [05:36:31] <Loetmichel> one CAN touch the HV of a CRT... usually they are current limited to 8mA
[05:22:07] <malcom2073> I've done that
[05:22:08] <malcom2073> it sucks. bad
[05:27:19] <Loetmichel> aaand a bsod again. it seems its not the HDD. its the PSU... if i load the 12V (spinup of the DVD) the HDD will start clicking... strange...
[05:27:42] <XXCoder> insuffecent power can cause strange stuff
[05:27:50] <XXCoder> try disconnect currently useless stuff
[05:27:56] <XXCoder> like say your cd drive
[05:28:07] <XXCoder> if two video cards remove one
[05:28:29] <Loetmichel> i'll just get a new atx PSU from the pile and try again ;)
[05:28:37] <XXCoder> if you have say 8 gb, and 2 sticks remove one
[05:28:41] <MattyMatt> invest €14.99 in a new high quality psu
[05:29:00] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: lol ok
[05:29:06] * MattyMatt only cares about the quality "is it working today"
[05:29:10] <XXCoder> if you had to wait order for example those helps
[05:34:46] <jthornton> morning
[05:34:52] <XXCoder> hey
[06:08:44] <ganzuul> harro
[06:17:32] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsCFze4zkzk
[06:18:08] <XXCoder> giant metal lathe?
[06:18:33] <XXCoder> that dont look like cutting. weird
[06:20:51] <ganzuul> It'd plastically deformed.
[06:20:54] <ganzuul> ~s
[06:21:00] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:21:09] <XXCoder> not too sure why they arent using press or something
[06:22:26] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK_7tXGki1M
[06:23:13] <archivist> tooling for spinning can be a lot cheaper than for pressing
[06:23:22] <XXCoder> I guess so
[06:23:31] <XXCoder> that hot end bending is interesting
[06:26:36] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJGlgSZe4k4
[06:50:56] <ganzuul> Way cool. Hot metal centrifuge.
[06:51:17] <XXCoder> indeed
[07:55:53] * jthornton is having fun with c++ and make :)
[07:57:49] <ganzuul> whacha doin?
[07:59:34] <jthornton> reading dxf files
[08:00:19] <ganzuul> cool
[08:00:51] <ganzuul> yanno the RAW format doesn't actually represent pixels.
[08:01:18] <ganzuul> Rather single points of light in a grid with lots of separation
[08:03:40] <jthornton> damn gtk has really screwed up gedit
[08:03:56] <jthornton> need to find a new text editor
[08:04:31] * ganzuul bit the bullet and learned Vim.
[08:04:58] <archivist> I still assume vi :)
[08:05:33] * MattyMatt prefers wordstar, with the stickers on the keys
[08:05:41] <jthornton> does vim use gtk?
[08:06:06] <ganzuul> You can use Vim in the terminal.
[08:06:59] <MattyMatt> gnome 3 is dreadful, so something must have happened to gtk underneath
[08:07:32] <jthornton> yea the gtk programmers at stupid
[08:07:57] <jthornton> the file chooser is the most horrible pos I've ever seen
[08:08:05] <ganzuul> There is a special font, plugins (airline), and terminal settings which gives you pretty colors and a lot of GUI-like features.
[08:08:34] <ganzuul> Qt is much better technology...
[08:08:56] <MattyMatt> I'm still running debian 6, because I haven't found a newer one with a decent gui
[08:10:27] <ganzuul> Honesly, I would not want to touch a C++ project which isn't in Qt...
[08:11:04] <ganzuul> So many stupid ways to reinvent the basic tools, like concurrency.
[08:11:17] <MattyMatt> I avoided Qt just because it was C++. I believed C++ caused every program to bloat
[08:11:40] <ganzuul> Qt is what makes C++ tractable.
[08:11:44] <MattyMatt> I had OOP down pat in plain C. typedef struct ftw
[08:11:46] <archivist> any language with objects means bloat
[08:13:28] <ganzuul> This new thing, Rust, is making waves.
[08:13:44] <MattyMatt> I like to be close to the actual data the cpu crunches. I'd still be doing asm if it didn't age so quickly
[08:14:16] <MattyMatt> C is as real as you can get and still be portable
[08:15:11] <ganzuul> I love C on the Parallax Propeller. You got 8 cores, so concurrency isn't time-sharing.
[08:17:06] <ganzuul> Haven't done much with it yet. Will do more when I start CNC stuff.
[08:17:58] <MattyMatt> I need to get further with cuda/vhdl/verilog and now openCL too
[08:18:13] <jthornton> hmm jedit looks promising
[08:18:34] <MattyMatt> I guess that's 2 seperate families, and I gotta choose one for fpga, and another for gpu
[08:18:57] <ganzuul> Seems like 2 different to me too
[08:19:17] <ganzuul> There's this Vulkan API coming up for GPUs.
[08:19:36] <MattyMatt> waah, not another one
[08:19:54] <ganzuul> Well it's supposed to get rid of a lot of bloat in the drivers.
[08:20:11] <ganzuul> Let you have closer access to the metal.
[08:20:16] <MattyMatt> oh yeah GLSL, I haven't quite got my head around whether OpenCL totally obsoletes that or not
[08:20:40] <ganzuul> There is OpenCL/OpenGL interop.
[08:21:08] <ganzuul> Just re-cast a vector as an image.
[08:21:29] <MattyMatt> yep, so afaics, GLSL has no more use
[08:21:53] <MattyMatt> I should buy the orange book anyway
[08:22:20] <MattyMatt> and a new copy of the red book. I think my 3rd edition is a bit lame now
[08:22:27] <archivist> assember hardly ages!
[08:22:35] * ganzuul doesn't know those
[08:23:40] <archivist> I only derust with a scraper or angle grinder
[08:23:45] <ganzuul> archivist: I'd say hand-written assembler doesn't age. The drivel optimizing compilers spit out is another thing.
[08:24:02] <archivist> true
[08:24:03] <MattyMatt> hand optimised MMX code ages :)
[08:24:20] <MattyMatt> at least, the optimisations do
[08:24:57] <ganzuul> Really amazing what sort of paranoid nonsense GCC can get up to.
[08:26:01] <MattyMatt> to prove a point, I got a 586 making better 8 bit data code than gcc 2.95 could, but it could match me when the data was 32 bit
[08:26:06] <ganzuul> Fortunately, LLVM is an option for us open source folks.
[08:26:52] <MattyMatt> the point was that pipeline stalls would make 8 bit asm slower than 32 bit
[08:27:04] <MattyMatt> disproven
[08:27:14] <MattyMatt> dunno about newer chips tho
[08:27:36] <ganzuul> There's multiprecision in the works for GPUs.
[08:28:02] <jthornton> too bad the text rendering in jedit is terrible
[08:28:14] <ganzuul> ?
[08:28:25] <ganzuul> Try a font like Inconsolata.
[08:28:29] <jthornton> the letters are not sharp and clear
[08:29:00] <jthornton> that doesn't seem to be a choice
[08:29:12] <ganzuul> ...enable Clear Type?
[08:30:55] <jthornton> ahh enable fractional font metrics makes it better
[08:32:33] <jthornton> DejaVu Sans Mono 14 Plain looks good
[08:33:27] <archivist> aliased fonts look terrible often
[10:40:35] <zeeshan> morning everyone
[10:41:15] <Sync> good afternoon
[10:46:47] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/EiC9FGU.png
[10:47:12] <zeeshan> MORN
[10:47:28] <archivist> mourn
[10:47:31] <PetefromTn_> :D
[10:47:58] <Wolf_> meh
[10:53:46] <ganzuul> o/
[10:54:41] <Tom_itx> http://ericakieferbooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/048039-grumpy-toddler.jpg
[10:57:11] <renesis> ^ nightmare
[10:57:38] <renesis> if it looks like that in the morning might as well kill yourself
[11:00:59] <renesis> guys when they spec bike lock cable thickness, do you think its the cable OD, or the plastic cover OD?
[11:01:33] <Tom_itx> i don't think it matters really because they're gonna use bolt cutters anyway
[11:01:39] <renesis> http://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-78DPF-Looped-6-Foot/dp/B00004Y8CX/
[11:01:52] <Tom_itx> it's only a slight deterent
[11:02:13] <PetefromTn_> dunno but I lost a nice Cannondale hard tail to one of those rubber coated bar locks years ago
[11:02:14] <renesis> i have a u lock with 1/2" thick shank
[11:02:23] <renesis> i need something for like, trees and light poles
[11:02:36] <renesis> and itd be nice to have it to sling the lock over my shoulder
[11:02:41] <renesis> no place for it on the bike
[11:02:55] <renesis> in backpack is just gonna break shitr
[11:03:16] <Wolf_> really big lock, still takes 10sec or less to drill the tumblers out
[11:03:27] <renesis> so i should just lean it against the wall
[11:03:32] <renesis> what is your advice exactly
[11:03:35] <Tom_itx> unless it's too thick for bolt cutters then it's not gonna protect much
[11:03:47] <renesis> okay so what should i do
[11:03:52] <Tom_itx> get a short piece of log chain
[11:03:58] <Tom_itx> and one of those circular locks
[11:04:04] <renesis> they can cut the lock
[11:04:16] <Tom_itx> those thick heavy duty ones?
[11:04:16] <Wolf_> I use those type cables, mostly for odd stuff thats sitting in my work truck
[11:04:17] <renesis> i dont think you can do big chain and circular locks
[11:04:21] <renesis> i think it doesnt fit
[11:04:26] <Tom_itx> probably not
[11:04:41] <renesis> so anyway
[11:04:54] <renesis> do you think its specing cable OD or covering OD? i think its covering
[11:04:55] <Tom_itx> i weave the chain thru both wheels too or you may end up with a unicycle
[11:05:06] <PetefromTn_> honestly the reality is that if they want to steal it....they will find a freakin way unfortunately
[11:05:23] <renesis> right thats why i didnt ask for advice on if i should get a lock
[11:05:26] <Tom_itx> bike theft around here is getting out of hand
[11:05:32] <renesis> because obviously it can get stolen
[11:05:39] <renesis> has bike stolen from this school already
[11:05:47] <renesis> i should give up and not use bike ever?
[11:05:48] <PetefromTn_> and honestly I WISH I had a good anwer for you
[11:05:54] <JT-Shop> put a side car on the bike and take your favorite mean dog with you
[11:05:59] <renesis> obviously im going to lock the bike up
[11:06:07] <PetefromTn_> hire a hit man?
[11:06:14] <renesis> thing is its a light bike anbd huge locks kind of defeat the purpose
[11:06:23] <PetefromTn_> I know right
[11:06:28] <Tom_itx> around here the cops place bikes in random places waiting for someone to come along and take em
[11:06:41] <PetefromTn_> super lightweight awesome bike with BIGASS heavy U lock mounted to the frame LOL
[11:06:43] <renesis> why i just had cable lock for last bike, that gor stole when i was at a lab until midnight
[11:06:53] <renesis> there sno place to mount on the frame
[11:06:55] <Tom_itx> or just ride a shit bike nobody would want
[11:06:57] <JT-Shop> get a folding bike
[11:07:00] <t12> get a reasonable u-lock
[11:07:02] <renesis> 24" bmx with low profile frame
[11:07:04] <Wolf_> camouflage it, make it look not so nice, light lock should work then
[11:07:05] <t12> dont leave your bike in high theft areas
[11:07:10] <PetefromTn_> I just went to a matinee movie and bolted the bike to a steel light pole.
[11:07:10] <renesis> ha folding bike might as well walk
[11:07:11] <t12> get some pitlocks for the wheels
[11:07:21] <renesis> whats pitlocks
[11:07:22] <PetefromTn_> came back and the lock was sitting there broken on the floor and the bike was gone
[11:07:27] <t12> https://www.pitlock.de/en
[11:07:39] <renesis> petefromtn_: i came back there were two bikes on the rack, neither mine
[11:07:50] <renesis> there were like 40 bikes on the rack when i locked it up
[11:08:01] <renesis> prob came by with a truck and bolt cutters
[11:08:13] <t12> vs pro bike theives
[11:08:16] <t12> just dont have a bike they want to steel
[11:08:17] <t12> steal
[11:08:38] <renesis> yeah thats kind of the real solution, expendable bikes
[11:08:46] <Sync> yeah I have a 100€ shitbox for them to steal
[11:08:50] <renesis> but on commodity beach cruiser i feel like a sitting duck
[11:08:59] <PetefromTn_> the good news for me is I switched to a home built tig welded Short wheelbase recumbent bike....nobody will steal that because I doubt they could even ride it LOL
[11:09:10] <renesis> no crank length, low gearing, heavy, high COG
[11:09:14] <Wolf_> move to toyko, bike lock there is a flimsy little bar that blocks the spokes from turning
[11:09:17] <renesis> bearing creaking
[11:09:26] <renesis> brakes are shit
[11:09:46] <t12> best thing is dont leave bike in public really
[11:09:54] <t12> i bring indoors at workplaces
[11:09:58] <renesis> yeah but cant bring bike into every class
[11:10:01] <t12> if locked up on street i'm usually right there
[11:10:07] <t12> bike room on campus?
[11:10:09] <PetefromTn_> get a scooter?
[11:10:11] <renesis> school is okay until night
[11:10:14] <t12> friendly lab/basement/somewhere
[11:10:23] <renesis> actually a grom would be cool
[11:10:32] <renesis> but im like 6 blocks from school
[11:10:35] <renesis> not worth it
[11:10:57] <renesis> downtown is maybe 10x10 blocks, im on the edge, bike is perfect
[11:10:58] <Tom_itx> http://www.citizenbike.com/default.asp?gclid=CJ3B-OOt9McCFQIcaQodgPQLTw
[11:11:07] <JT-Shop> talk to the school about secure bike parking
[11:11:12] <renesis> they have it
[11:11:15] <PetefromTn_> get a ruckus
[11:11:16] <renesis> and i have to reg my bike
[11:11:24] <renesis> ruckus is lame since the grom
[11:11:30] <PetefromTn_> NO
[11:11:33] <renesis> yes!
[11:11:35] <PetefromTn_> NOOOOO
[11:11:38] <renesis> big ruckus is even lamer!
[11:11:40] <PetefromTn_> I love the ruckus
[11:11:44] <PetefromTn_> agreed
[11:11:48] <renesis> the little ones are pretty cool actually
[11:11:50] <PetefromTn_> I don't like the big ruckus
[11:11:51] <t12> fleamarket time
[11:11:54] <renesis> but grom is straight sex
[11:11:54] <t12> may i find sweet tooling
[11:11:59] <renesis> baby super moto, so want
[11:12:00] <PetefromTn_> they make a chinese clone too
[11:12:49] <PetefromTn_> https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--2ZSzBDj5--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_north,h_358,q_80,w_636/w7a0979jkduabxs0grhg.jpg This is a funny picture
[11:12:54] <renesis> so anyway, thanks for advice i know itll get stolen thats why i bought for $450 instead of built for $900, but yeah really i just wanted to know about thick cables to use with u-lock
[11:13:15] <renesis> petefromtn_: is that a clone?
[11:13:23] <PetefromTn_> dunno
[11:13:33] <PetefromTn_> just found it in a google search for grom
[11:13:36] <renesis> oh, prob not that looks nice, has honda badge
[11:13:39] <Wolf_> Ick, u-lock bad
[11:13:54] <renesis> why u lock bad
[11:14:05] <PetefromTn_> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/mcy/5209977972.html here ya go..
[11:14:41] <renesis> petefromtn_: that with street tires and stiffer suspension, do want
[11:14:49] <PetefromTn_> yup
[11:14:54] <PetefromTn_> would be a sweet local ride
[11:14:58] <PetefromTn_> bigass thumper
[11:15:03] <Sync> I got a drz for that
[11:15:14] <PetefromTn_> drz is nice too
[11:15:29] <PetefromTn_> I used to like those TW200's
[11:15:31] <renesis> i would just want to do canyon roads i already <3, dont want to do dirt id prob just kill myself
[11:15:47] <PetefromTn_> OH man dirt is the best part!!
[11:15:49] <renesis> yeah drz would be neat but those things hold value, fuuuuuu $$$$
[11:16:17] <renesis> well, something under 400 lbs with mad grip and decent power to weight is best part
[11:17:38] <renesis> is crazy how much street bikes have changed and dirt bikes have not changed
[11:18:38] <PetefromTn_> http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/52113108+w+h+q80+re0+cr1/2003-honda-ruckus-tucked-front-frame ;)
[11:19:33] <PetefromTn_> ya know I have had about a dozen different sportbikes over the years and I must admit that some of the most fun I ever had on two wheels was riding scooters with friends in high scool
[11:20:05] <PetefromTn_> damn near 100 MPG and mine was big enough for the freeway
[11:20:20] <renesis> ha thats prob like $8k in ruckus =\
[11:20:28] <PetefromTn_> yup
[11:20:42] <PetefromTn_> but hey you are a CNC guy you can make all that shit yourself!!
[11:20:55] <renesis> i have tiny parts cnc
[11:21:08] <PetefromTn_> its a tiny bike!
[11:21:17] <renesis> biggest lesson with a taig: envelope is really important because multiple setups are annoying
[11:21:21] <renesis> haha true
[11:21:31] <PetefromTn_> http://www.airsociety.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/honda-ruckus-bagriders-airsociety-stance-bagged-air-ride-suspension-006.jpg
[11:21:50] <renesis> haha wtf stanced scooter
[11:21:58] <PetefromTn_> yup I agree which is why I always try to steer people clear of the real small mills
[11:21:58] <renesis> that looks cool tho
[11:22:19] <PetefromTn_> yeah I agree there are some really cool looking ones out there. some real creativity
[11:22:26] <renesis> well i did a shitload of PCB on it which was great for me
[11:22:40] <renesis> and it dont have a garage and move a lot to little places
[11:22:52] <renesis> and sometimes take it to work to live in car trunk
[11:23:10] <PetefromTn_> http://www.airsociety.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/honda-ruckus-bagged-air-ride-stance-scooter-011.jpg air ride!
[11:23:23] <renesis> but sometimes i think like a 2x4 router would be more useful for everything else
[11:23:45] <renesis> i dont like that one as much
[11:24:13] <renesis> that ones rideable tho, the other one would drag its exhaust pipe
[11:27:03] <PetefromTn_> it has air ride
[11:27:28] <renesis> well thats good
[11:27:42] <renesis> well, other than adding more weight =(
[11:28:21] <renesis> they have tiny compressors or they fill a bottle before?
[11:29:20] <PetefromTn_> I have seen it both ways
[11:30:02] <Wolf_> not like they need much air, probably can get away with a really small compressor
[11:34:35] <tjtr33> PetefromTn_, that last ruckus needs to be flat black, and the exhaust made to look like shotgun wrapped in burnt asbestos
[11:37:49] <PetefromTn_> Naah
[11:38:02] <PetefromTn_> I am not into the flat black except on rat rods etc.
[11:38:31] <tjtr33> ++rat bikes
[11:39:32] <PetefromTn_> I have been REALLY trying to find a good deal on an older bike to turn into a nice cafe racer
[11:39:40] <PetefromTn_> but I can't decide WHICH one to get LOL
[11:39:53] <PetefromTn_> there are so many good bikes that people turn into cafe racers
[11:42:29] <Sync> xbr500 PetefromTn_
[11:43:14] <PetefromTn_> nice but did they even import those to USA?
[11:43:20] <Sync> yes
[11:44:06] <tjtr33> ? i looked at those for retiring in thailand, didnt see here, big there
[11:44:11] <PetefromTn_> I would LOVE a Ducati Sport 1000 but since I can't really afford one I will have to build something like it...
[11:44:25] <PetefromTn_> speaking of can't get in USA
[11:44:31] <PetefromTn_> ya know what I would REALLY LOVE
[11:44:36] <PetefromTn_> that you can't get here...
[11:44:49] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately thanks to our stupid regulations
[11:45:02] <t12> ive been cluelessly working on someones rebel 250
[11:45:12] <t12> not too bad to work on really
[11:45:18] <t12> automotive electrical sucks
[11:45:31] <PetefromTn_> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachments/suzuki/280554d1167932146-long-wheel-base-samurai-project-left-front-640-480.jpg a Long wheelbase Suzuki Samurai!!
[11:46:10] <CaptHindsight> t12: sucks would be an improvement :p
[11:46:37] <PetefromTn_> http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt269/jtbentzen/LWBathome7-21-04008_2.jpg
[11:47:32] <t12> too much jamming wire harness ends into boxes
[11:48:00] <t12> insane wiring diagrams
[11:48:04] <t12> weirdo connectors
[11:50:24] <Sync> it's not worse than industrial wiring
[11:50:36] <CaptHindsight> uh huh it is
[11:51:08] <Sync> with industrial wiring you get cabinets jammed full of shit, no diagram whatsoever
[11:51:16] <Sync> wrong cable colors used for everything
[11:51:25] <PetefromTn_> I have actually considered buying two samurai carcasses and cutting and splicing them together hrmm
[11:51:25] <Sync> bare copper because lazyness
[11:51:32] <Wolf_> VW wiring is fun
[11:51:45] <Wolf_> 30 wires running to the back of the car, all white
[11:52:21] <Sync> it is the same with aircraft wiring
[11:52:51] <Wolf_> least I managed to find the connector type for the vw stuff
[11:52:54] <PetefromTn_> http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a296/codestah/DSCN0325.jpg :D
[11:53:41] <Wolf_> that long wheel base zuki, how much other then the tin is stock lol
[11:54:02] <PetefromTn_> they are completely stock they came that way
[11:54:35] <PetefromTn_> they are very popular in other countries but you can't get them here
[11:54:44] <PetefromTn_> apparently they imported some to Canada
[11:54:54] <Sync> get 18 of them and do the crashtesting
[11:55:04] <Wolf_> if they are old enough you can import them
[11:55:16] <PetefromTn_> there are many in eastern countries
[11:55:19] <PetefromTn_> in fact
[11:55:27] <PetefromTn_> there is now a company in India
[11:55:40] <PetefromTn_> I think it is called Mahindra or something like that
[11:57:07] <Tom_itx> Mahindra makes tractors
[11:57:16] <Tom_itx> and atvs
[11:57:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah apparently
[11:58:03] <Tom_itx> they sell em around here
[11:58:28] <PetefromTn_> Maruti Gypsy is the name sorry
[11:59:03] <PetefromTn_> just a bit of trivia
[11:59:19] <Tom_itx> suzuki
[11:59:31] <Tom_itx> http://www.marutisuzuki.com/gypsy.aspx
[11:59:48] <PetefromTn_> Can you guess what the record is for the highest altitude ever acheived by a four wheel drive vehicle short of the lunar rover?
[12:00:07] <Tom_itx> must be higher than pikes peak
[12:00:14] <PetefromTn_> OH yeah
[12:00:59] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIxM2d5yB24
[12:01:07] <Tom_itx> 6646 meters
[12:01:37] <PetefromTn_> Gonzalo BRavo took a modified Suzuki Samurai on a shoestring budget to the highest altitude ever acheived
[12:01:49] <Tom_itx> http://www.autoblog.com/2007/04/27/chileans-top-jeep-altitude-record-with-modded-suzuki-samurai/
[12:02:43] <PetefromTn_> yup that is it...
[12:04:10] <PetefromTn_> I swear I have owned and four wheeled/beat the crap out of six of these little trucks and they are so cool. that long wheelbase Maruti would be so fun to have.
[12:12:24] <CaptHindsight> I wish truckers here would deck out their trucks like they do in India or at least Japan
[12:12:45] <CaptHindsight> the US is getting too boring
[12:13:11] <PetefromTn_> agreed
[12:20:33] <archivist> normal truckers need a better load to truck weight ratio
[12:23:59] <Wolf_Mill> this damn ball screw...
[12:24:30] <Wolf_Mill> took it from 14mm down to 10mm and it seems that its still hardened
[12:28:31] <archivist> good stuff will be through hardened
[12:28:40] <Wolf_Mill> thk..
[12:28:58] <archivist> thk is a better make :)
[12:29:05] <Wolf_Mill> guess I need to get a torch out then
[12:29:15] <archivist> nooo
[12:29:34] <archivist> get the right insert
[12:29:49] <archivist> or grind
[12:30:04] <Wolf_Mill> trying to thread it
[12:31:03] <Jymmm> really thin grinder =)
[12:31:29] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: This thin --> |
[12:31:43] <Jymmm> or would that be This thin --> /
[12:35:48] <Wolf_Mill> I thought about the roto tool but would need to make a holder for it
[12:36:01] <furrywolf> decisions, decisions... should I figure out what's up with my new subaru's fuel pressure, a useful project, or work on the electronics box for my mill, a hobby-only project?
[12:38:17] <Wolf_Mill> still temped to just anneal the damn thing
[12:39:02] <Jymmm> furrywolf: what year?
[12:39:17] <furrywolf> the subaru? '84
[12:39:37] <Jymmm> Oh, pre ODB2 (thught you could see any injectors pressure)
[12:40:44] <furrywolf> it starves for fuel going up hills. either bad fuel pump, clogged filters, clogged pickup, or bad lines. filters look reasonably new. need to get out the pressure gauge and see where it has and doesn't have pressure.
[12:41:19] <Jymmm> crap in the the bottom of the tank?
[12:41:59] <furrywolf> that would fall under "clogged pickup".
[12:42:25] <Jymmm> I thought it fall more under... dropping the damn tank =)
[12:42:55] <furrywolf> bad fuel pump is the most likely answer.
[12:43:02] <furrywolf> since the filters look newish
[12:43:12] <furrywolf> however, someone could have added some bad gas and clogged the newish filters.
[12:43:25] <furrywolf> it's not complex to diagnose, it's just an annoying project.
[12:43:32] <Jymmm> carb?
[12:43:39] <furrywolf> stick fuel pressure gauge at various points, see what it reads.
[12:43:39] <furrywolf> yes.
[12:43:47] <Jymmm> sticky float?
[12:43:57] <furrywolf> no
[12:44:00] <Jymmm> k
[12:44:54] <furrywolf> it's way too constant to be a sticky float. plus, I rebuilt the carb a couple weeks ago, and it didn't change. :)
[12:45:08] <Jymmm> If it's only up hill, would make me think it's something that moves
[12:45:22] <Jymmm> ...being the cause.
[12:45:46] <furrywolf> or you use more gas going up hills, and the fuel pump has to work against more head. :P
[12:45:59] <Jymmm> Nah
[12:46:13] <Jymmm> mech or electric pump?
[12:46:30] <furrywolf> you can't really run full throttle on level ground for very long without reaching dangerous speeds, but it's quite easy on a steep hill.
[12:46:35] <furrywolf> electric
[12:47:36] <furrywolf> I'd go work on it now except my neighbor has decided to idle his loud-as-fuck growmobile in the driveway and it's unpleasant to be around.
[12:47:39] <Jymmm> can you add a "T" into the fuel line and easure the pressure whiel driving uphill?
[12:47:55] <Jymmm> measure*
[12:48:24] <PetefromTn_> when I had a weber carb on my Suzuki samurai it would die on steep hills. the fix was to turn it around backwards and put a fuel pressure regulator inline with the carb. Problem solved
[12:48:24] <furrywolf> yes. I hope it won't come to that, however. driving around with a pressure gauge stuck under your windshield wiper always draws looks. :P
[12:48:29] <Wolf_Mill> bad fuel gauge?
[12:48:37] <Jymmm> lol
[12:49:25] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: this is a simple fuel starvation issue. it'll crawl up hills ok, but beyond about half throttle it runs out of fuel and dies. you can make it do it on level ground too, you just need a long straight stretch and to shift quickly...
[12:49:37] <Jymmm> furrywolf: vapor lock?
[12:50:01] <furrywolf> you know, my question was which project I should work on, not asking for suggestions. :P
[12:50:09] <PetefromTn_> I KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS!!
[12:50:17] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Clip a wooden clothes pin on the fuel line =)
[12:50:17] <furrywolf> you don't get vapor lock with electric fuel pumps at the tank
[12:50:27] <furrywolf> Wolf_Mill: no, it's not out of gas. lol
[12:50:30] <PetefromTn_> your car is tired of hearing you bitch and whine about everything so it has started a silent protest!!
[12:51:24] <PetefromTn_> so I swapped out the wifeys brakes and rotors yesterday....
[12:51:27] <Jymmm> furrywolf: then go work on the millbox
[12:51:33] <PetefromTn_> now I have the old rotors sitting here
[12:51:40] <PetefromTn_> trying to decide what I can do with them ;)
[12:51:51] <furrywolf> unfortunately, said neighbor is now idling his truck blocking the driveway, so I can't go get the box.
[12:52:17] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: use them of electoetching anodes
[12:52:21] <Jymmm> for*
[12:52:30] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: anodes for electrolytic rust removal.
[12:52:37] <PetefromTn_> huh
[12:52:45] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: practice negative DC wleding using two car batteries
[12:52:45] <PetefromTn_> never done that before...is it cool?
[12:53:03] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: create garden art
[12:53:14] <PetefromTn_> I had one idea
[12:53:30] <furrywolf> how big are they? if the wifey drives a big truck, you can use them as bases for grinder stands and the like. :P
[12:53:39] <PetefromTn_> I thought about making some stout stands that will hold up my stock off the floor in my horizontal bandsaw
[12:53:55] <PetefromTn_> like little heavy jackstands
[12:54:00] <Jymmm> floor lamp base
[12:54:18] <furrywolf> weld a piece of pipe in the middle and take up weight lifting.
[12:54:22] <Jymmm> use them for hats that won't blow away
[12:54:33] <PetefromTn_> :D
[12:54:42] <Jymmm> bolt them together and have an industrial wire/cable spool
[12:54:44] <furrywolf> practice discus throwing
[12:54:56] <PetefromTn_> I could make the worlds heaviest yoyo
[12:55:05] <Jymmm> musical symbals
[12:55:38] <Jymmm> railroad wheel
[12:55:39] <PetefromTn_> I could make my own version of the ODD JOB Hat
[12:56:11] <Jymmm> gocart brakes
[12:56:27] <furrywolf> I don't know if cast iron holds a keen enough edge for that.
[12:56:44] <PetefromTn_> Oh come on now that is just ridiculous....why the hell would you need brakes on a go kart?
[12:57:40] <furrywolf> I once had 4 jeep cherokee disc brakes on a pedal-powered machine... :P
[12:58:19] <PetefromTn_> they would work great for a big weighted eccentric wheel setup
[12:58:21] <PetefromTn_> flywheel
[13:04:41] <furrywolf> we're going to rebuild that machine to use two subaru brakes instead. a lot lighter.
[13:08:05] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I guess you've never seen a gocart with a 350 on it =)
[13:08:44] <PetefromTn_> I would rather have a Go Kart with a shifter Kart 250 or 500CC dirtbike motor on it ;)
[13:08:55] <PetefromTn_> never really thought too much of the damn 350 LOL
[13:09:00] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: That's INCHES, not CC
[13:09:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah big heavy slow chevy inches ;)
[13:09:43] <furrywolf> zee would probably build a 13b kart. :P
[13:09:55] <Wolf_Mill> if you listen hard you can hear the chevy rusting
[13:10:06] <PetefromTn_> and leaking
[13:10:25] <furrywolf> karts might be one application where a rotary isn't obviously a bad idea.
[13:11:14] <PetefromTn_> I was watching youtube videos yesterday of Mazda MIata's with built single turbo rotaries.... same difference ;)
[13:11:25] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Did you see the CalFire drone link?
[13:11:50] <furrywolf> I saw something possibly the same a while ago, so didn't bother clicking it.
[13:11:58] <Jymmm> furrywolf: k
[13:12:12] <furrywolf> it made the news here a lot. heh.
[13:12:39] <Wolf_Mill> wasnt one of the drones a gov one?
[13:12:48] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Ah, I had never heard that before. Another reason to bitchslap those drone bastards
[13:13:21] <furrywolf> the suggestion here is to equip firefighters with shotguns and have them practice skeet shooting. :P
[13:13:39] <Jymmm> I say fishing net guns
[13:14:00] <Wolf_Mill> lot of the drone noise in the news is just total bullshit
[13:14:19] <Jymmm> I think net guns are legal per FAA to fire from aircraft
[13:14:39] <furrywolf> fucking harbor freight. I bought a new fuel pressure/vacuum gauge because mine seemed to have wandered off. the photos show brass fittings. it has plastic fittings.
[13:14:47] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: CalFire will ground all aircraft if drones are being flown in the fire zone.
[13:15:55] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, the first event they were reporting about needing to ground the fire fighting efforts was a mil or gov drone, not some hobby drone
[13:16:15] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: http://www.fire.ca.gov/communications/communications_ifyouflywecant.php
[13:16:20] <furrywolf> I thought they decided it was a news drone?
[13:16:50] <Wolf_Mill> no idea
[13:17:11] <PetefromTn_> better get used to it...RC drones are becoming more and more capable every day
[13:17:29] <furrywolf> grrrrrrrr. fucking harbor freight! and the gauge reads 9inhg vacuum with nothing connected to it.
[13:17:31] <furrywolf> I hate china.
[13:17:33] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: So are RF Jammers =)
[13:18:21] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Ace hardward has liquid filled pressure gauges for $5.99
[13:18:39] <Wolf_Mill> I know nothing about drones... http://i.imgur.com/jDR3LwU.jpg
[13:18:40] <Jymmm> or at least mine does.
[13:18:41] <furrywolf> do they have 10PSI gauges?
[13:18:54] <Jymmm> furrywolf: 16 was the lowest iirc
[13:19:16] <Jymmm> or at least my Ace has them.
[13:19:40] <furrywolf> I haven't seen anything other than 100psi and 160psi gauges at ace here.
[13:20:00] <Jymmm> They had 16 to 200psi
[13:20:09] <furrywolf> I should just stop ever buying chinese products. Why does it seem at least half of them are defective, and the other half fail the first time you use them?
[13:20:12] <Jymmm> Even had a 60PSI with 1psi increments
[13:20:27] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Well, that's HF mostly
[13:20:34] <furrywolf> I'm going to go return this to harbor freight, then buy a US-made gauge elsewhere.
[13:20:48] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Good luck FINDING a USA made one.
[13:20:49] <furrywolf> no, it's all chinese products from any source. I don't shop at HF that often.
[13:21:18] <archivist> open gauge remove pointer(pull) move pointer to 0, push back on
[13:22:06] <furrywolf> archivist: it's not my job to repair defective products. it should have been assembled correctly at the factory. if it moved, it's likely there's something damaged/defective internally.
[13:22:40] <archivist> quicker to fix that get a new one :)
[13:23:14] <furrywolf> I'm so fucking sick of chinese products.
[13:23:17] <Wolf_Mill> thought thats expected when buying HF tools, fix before using
[13:24:08] <furrywolf> hrmm. NAPA does indeed have a US-made fuel pressure+vacuum gauge. it's $300.
[13:24:21] <furrywolf> http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx/Fuel-Pressure-Gauge/_/R-OTC6754_0476948922
[13:24:36] <Wolf_Mill> probably need to order it also...
[13:25:54] <furrywolf> that's just offensive. you want US-made, so we're going to charge a 1000% markup.
[13:26:32] <archivist> it actually gets a calibration!
[13:28:31] <Jymmm> furrywolf: http://www.homedepot.com/p/DANCO-0-15-psi-1-10-Increment-Gas-Test-Gauge-94352/100180536
[13:30:30] <furrywolf> and I should care what homedepot has why? lol
[13:31:07] <furrywolf> this gauge doesn't seem easily disassemblable. also, looking at it, I'm wondering if it isn't defective by design, and if I ask them for a replacement, I'll open it up to find the same problem.
[13:32:45] <furrywolf> on the face, zero is at around the 10:00 position. but the needle zeroes around the 7:00 position, where a normal gauge has zero. what do you figure the odds are that someone stuck the wrong faces on the wrong gauges, and simply didn't give a fuck and shipped them out anyway?
[13:37:12] <furrywolf> "I returned two of those before deciding to just get my money back
[13:37:13] <furrywolf> there is no adjustment to set the needle to zero, they were both off by about 7psi at 0
[13:37:13] <furrywolf> too frustrating to deal with"
[13:38:51] <furrywolf> I guess I'll have to go yell at my neighbor, because he's STILL parked blocking my driveway.
[13:39:23] <t12> dang pretty good at the fleamarket today
[13:42:05] <furrywolf> neighbor doesn't seem to be around. I might just have to back up pickup into the side of his growmobile.
[13:42:29] <furrywolf> let's leave a vehicle blocking someone's driveway and wander off!
[13:42:52] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/ujvefwu82lw1vvw/AACy9TaoacCJeQ_nn3JVQkqHa
[13:43:03] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Just strip it and leave it on the rims =)
[13:43:43] <redlegion> furrywolf: doooo eeeeeet
[13:43:52] <redlegion> do all of the above
[13:53:45] <Jymmm> I'm thinking of getting one of these http://www.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP4400EH-Portable-Generator-4400-Watt/dp/B009RBKGZC
[13:56:19] <furrywolf> chinese garbage.
[13:57:25] <Jymmm> Company that's selling it is out of SoCal, and I read they have great customer service.
[13:57:34] <furrywolf> buy a honda or a yamaha.
[13:57:49] <Jymmm> propane ?
[13:57:58] <furrywolf> they're selling a generator that's illegal to sell in california from california? :P
[13:58:12] <Wolf_> yeah, why spend $550 when you can get better for $1500
[13:58:24] <Jymmm> Yep, so you buy it off ebay instead =)
[13:58:38] <furrywolf> Wolf_: because those chinese units last about as long as one oil change does on a honda.
[13:58:42] <Jymmm> (same price)
[13:59:06] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I have yet to see a factory honda with propane
[13:59:16] <furrywolf> (disclaimer: I own 19 honda generators)
[13:59:20] <Wolf_> funny thing, have a 5kw yamaha, won’t start, have a 6kw china propane thing, runs fine
[13:59:37] <Jymmm> Wolf_: which one?
[14:00:07] <furrywolf> generator repair is one of the many hats I wear... and I'd never buy anything but a honda now. :P
[14:00:25] <Wolf_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004BKI0ZM
[14:00:30] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Only cause you bought a coule pallets of broken ones.
[14:00:42] <furrywolf> Jymmm: no, I owned three honda generators before that. :P
[14:01:10] <furrywolf> I gave away all my non-hondas as not worth owning.
[14:01:11] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I have my EU2000i, but its gas only and the tru-fuel kit of $200
[14:01:22] <Jymmm> tri-fuel*
[14:01:37] <Jymmm> and only 120
[14:02:25] <Jymmm> Wolf_: how loud?
[14:02:53] <Wolf_> loud as a 13hp motor
[14:03:05] <furrywolf> my EU6500ises (both of them) are almost silent.
[14:03:32] <furrywolf> I'll sell one of them if you have $2000 spare. :)
[14:03:32] <Jymmm> furrywolf: are they propane?
[14:03:40] <furrywolf> propane kit is around $300
[14:04:31] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Show me it running on propane and I'll give you $1500
[14:04:57] <furrywolf> nope. it's worth a lot more than that.
[14:04:58] <renesis> for the generator? or for showing it to you?
[14:04:59] <furrywolf> 2k is a good price.
[14:06:48] <furrywolf> lol
[14:07:20] <furrywolf> I'll convert one of my EU3000ises to propane and sell it to you for $1500. :P
[14:07:37] <Jymmm> I still have to figure out out to connect it up. I havne't even had a chance to go thru the panel yet and makr out all the circuits
[14:08:07] <Jymmm> All these twist lock connectors confuse me
[14:08:45] <Tom_itx> you push in and twist
[14:09:34] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Ah, thanks! So if the four prong doens't fit in a 3 prog, get a igger hammer?
[14:09:42] <Jymmm> bigger*
[14:09:46] <Tom_itx> exactly
[14:10:03] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I tried that, still didn't work
[14:10:05] <Tom_itx> that probably has to do with amperage or such on the plug
[14:10:15] <Wolf_> just snip the extra prong off
[14:10:15] <Tom_itx> mine has twistlock connectors
[14:10:47] <Tom_itx> i made a plug so i just plug it in an outlet and back feed after i disconnect the mains
[14:11:02] <Tom_itx> nice heavy welder outlet
[14:12:15] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: like this one http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/7182N7LKF6L._SL1500_.jpg
[14:12:24] <Tom_itx> longest outtage i've had here was around 10-14 days
[14:12:45] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: how big is your generator?
[14:12:53] <Tom_itx> umm
[14:12:57] <Tom_itx> 5600?
[14:13:00] <Tom_itx> 8k surge
[14:13:03] <Tom_itx> i think
[14:13:19] <Tom_itx> i don't try to run everything
[14:13:30] <brianmorel99> Anyone have a recommendation for a 3D probe? Don't mind paying for quality, but not up in the Renishaw range.
[14:13:31] <Tom_itx> freezers etc and a few lights
[14:13:32] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Are you running anythign 220V off it during an outage?
[14:13:38] <Tom_itx> no
[14:13:47] <Jymmm> range electric or gas?
[14:13:48] <Tom_itx> no reason to
[14:13:51] <Tom_itx> i could
[14:14:01] <Tom_itx> but those are 110 on the burners
[14:14:09] <Jymmm> REALLY?!
[14:14:12] <furrywolf> backfeeding an outlet is bad. use a proper inlet and transfer switch.
[14:14:13] <Tom_itx> measure it
[14:14:21] <Jymmm> I've never seen 110V burners
[14:14:21] <Tom_itx> they split them across the buss
[14:14:23] <Tom_itx> i think
[14:14:36] <Tom_itx> maybe not..
[14:14:51] <Tom_itx> i never really touched the leads to find out
[14:14:56] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I would , if the cost was reasonable
[14:15:20] <Tom_itx> furrywolf, for the few times i need it, it's fine
[14:15:37] <Tom_itx> i'm not gonna spend the cash for a transfer switch
[14:15:52] <furrywolf> until you electrocute some poor lineman.
[14:16:02] <Tom_itx> you didn't read what i posted
[14:16:04] <archivist> brianmorel99, if you try hard and watch ebay a lot you can get sensible price renishaw
[14:16:04] <furrywolf> whoops, forgot to switch the breaker off.
[14:16:06] <Jymmm> I'd happily add in a lockout plate if I could find one for these service pole(S)
[14:16:06] <Tom_itx> i disconnect the mains
[14:16:18] <Tom_itx> never gonna happen
[14:16:22] <Wolf_> squareD makes a transfer switch lockout plate for back feeding
[14:16:22] <furrywolf> yes. hence why I said forgot.
[14:16:24] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: define "disconnect" ?
[14:16:38] <Jymmm> flip the main breaker, or ???
[14:16:46] <Tom_itx> that's what i do
[14:16:51] <archivist> brianmorel99, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221854999870 :)
[14:17:28] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: There is a lockout plate and it's legal to use, but has to be provided by the panel mfg
[14:17:29] <furrywolf> forgetting happens, relatives/wives/husbands/kids/etc happens, etc. then your generator makes 12kv.
[14:17:31] <Jymmm> mrf
[14:17:32] <archivist> brianmorel99, and this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271934477389
[14:18:25] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Yes, I honestly do realize that. But it's cost prohibative for it's temp usage
[14:18:37] <furrywolf> lol, on the last generator someone pasted...
[14:18:38] <furrywolf> Q:
[14:18:38] <furrywolf> Why can't this unit be sold in California?
[14:18:38] <furrywolf> A:
[14:18:38] <furrywolf> Nutty fruitcake Californians and their emission control crap
[14:18:42] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I'm happy to add a lockout plate if I coould find one though.
[14:18:54] <brianmorel99> archivist: It's just going to be used on my X2 mini mill. Wouldn't mind it though. Seems I need to search harder, or move to the UK :)
[14:18:54] <Jymmm> furrywolf: CARB bullshit
[14:19:03] <archivist> not the "calibrated" was a lie it was last done in 2003
[14:19:37] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, that's just a silly plate that slides over the breakers
[14:19:40] <archivist> brianmorel99, just takes time, been watching for ages
[14:20:08] <brianmorel99> archivist, ya, I see probes alone that are more than those you posted.
[14:20:20] <furrywolf> the box for my outback inverters came with a silly plate... it seems to do its job. not having mains, I don't need it, but it's there. heh.
[14:20:20] <archivist> brianmorel99, might as well make your own for a machine like that
[14:20:46] <archivist> those two I won :)
[14:21:27] <brianmorel99> archivist, Ya, I could make my one, but if a decent one can be had for $150 or less, I'd probably just buy one.
[14:21:40] <archivist> brianmorel99, pretty sure the second (earlier) is not actually a renishaw
[14:22:18] <brianmorel99> archivist, Focused on getting the power supply and servo drive for the servo I just got of eBay last week. To replace the spindle motor.
[14:30:01] <dgmurdockiii> what do i need on a cnc nechine to be able to cut aluminum
[14:30:50] <archivist> sufficiently rigid frame
[14:31:08] <archivist> sharp tools
[14:32:11] <dgmurdockiii> k
[14:32:12] <archivist> some lubricant helps especially with a pure aluminium (it sticks to the endmill)
[14:32:38] <Tom_itx> that's the simplified version
[14:32:47] <archivist> :)
[14:32:58] <dgmurdockiii> what cnc router bits?
[14:33:21] <archivist> 0 backlash in your screws if you want to climb mill (best finish)
[14:33:42] <dgmurdockiii> 'O' Flute
[14:34:08] <archivist> use endmills not wood router bits
[14:37:29] * ganzuul wants an endless supply of precision ground blanks.
[14:41:33] <Wolf_> inserts… gonna wish, do it bigger
[14:43:25] <ganzuul> https://youtu.be/5OcQddOEMnM?t=9m6s
[14:43:59] * furrywolf wants an endless supply of money too
[14:44:11] <ganzuul> Does this mean the dovetail gib only wedges the surfaces together, and should not actually counter any lateral force?
[14:44:32] * Wolf_ has a endless supply of bills....
[14:44:50] <ganzuul> So you'd essentially best lock it with a cam to increase the pressure between the sliding surfaces?
[14:45:32] <archivist> not the real tubalcain he dead
[14:45:44] <ganzuul> =O
[14:45:57] <ganzuul> archivist is old. Older tan dirt.
[14:46:04] <ganzuul> All they had were rocks.
[14:46:30] <archivist> was a UK writer in Model Engineer
[14:48:19] <ganzuul> Wikipedia says he's character from the Hebrew bible.
[14:48:35] <ganzuul> ~a
[14:49:27] <archivist> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Walshaw
[14:55:23] <ganzuul> Found a torrent for that magazine... Dunno how you guys feel about piracy/digital archiving.
[14:57:07] <ganzuul> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:24BA420310466E73CD425B1008DE280C31DC6C12&dn=JWE+Model+Engineer+Scans&tr=http%3A%2F%2Finferno.demonoid.me%3A3416%2Fannounce
[14:59:12] <ganzuul> Not that expensive for a subscription.
[15:08:19] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byu_X4Gcmcc
[15:08:28] <ganzuul> Like the bog iron of the sea
[15:11:02] <ganzuul> This idea has been around for decades though.
[15:14:15] <t12> lol nice job with the pin
[15:14:15] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/jmquipj6rjai1s1/AAA0HoCzF7tTalE7x13mKD4La
[15:16:04] <ganzuul> Hammer time, every time.
[15:33:39] <t12> to be fair i think the mated hole was drilled in place with it
[15:33:42] <t12> cause it fits
[15:33:59] <t12> maybe the end support for feedrod + leadscrew is just too high/low/whatever
[15:51:51] <gromits> I want to have an indication of some type (LED or other) in my Glade panel that tells me whether I am in G8 or G7 (radius or diameter mode). Is there a Hal widget show the active status of a G code?
[15:53:06] <rootB> So LinuxCNC
[15:53:14] <rootB> i've read upon the complicated scammy word of laser cutters
[15:53:15] <rootB> and boy
[15:53:44] <rootB> everything outside of epilog is either bad customer service or well made cons
[15:54:52] <ganzuul> Explain?
[15:55:52] <rootB> bad references for FSL, K40 blue chinese box being laser killing machines
[15:57:04] <rootB> Epilog machines replacement tubes being 4500 dollars
[15:57:12] <enleth> Mission accomplished: the control cabinet is back on the Bridgeport.
[15:57:27] <XXCoder> enleth: way to gio
[15:57:35] <enleth> That was the last thing to do.
[15:58:16] <enleth> Now I just have to reconnect everything, but I already did that once with the cabinet still on the pallet.
[16:02:13] <enleth> The only heavy lifting left would be taking the table off once again to reinstall lube lines in the saddle.
[16:02:38] <enleth> But that's easy.
[16:03:34] <ganzuul> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coherent-40W-808nm-Laser-Diode-Bar-19-Emitter-DPSS-Pump-High-Power-Warranty/391246999921?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D33203%26meid%3D6509f6d748e74757a742b0681d33f589%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D171887826106
[16:04:15] <ganzuul> No good for aluminium though.
[16:04:48] <SpeedEvil> yeah - well...
[16:04:55] <SpeedEvil> that's not as useful as you might think.
[16:05:14] <SpeedEvil> That is 19 emitters ~10*200um spaced at 500um or so.
[16:05:22] <ganzuul> ooh
[16:05:32] <SpeedEvil> you need a fibre bundle coupler and microlenses to properly couple it to a fibre bundle
[16:06:20] <enleth> Then I have to figure out what the hell is Spindle Interlock as understood by TNC 131.
[16:06:38] <Praesmeodymium> rootB: if your paying 45000 for a tube it better belarger than 110w the construction (see reci tubes) of the larger wattages extends the life significantly, under 80w they tend to have lifesapns in the 2000 hour and under range, over 110 they tend to have 10k+ hour ratings
[16:09:27] <enleth> When I tested the machine at the seller's place, I was able to switch the operating mode to automatic and get it to execute commands. Now any attempt to use a mode different than manual (with the TNC as a DRO) ends up in a critical fault, "spindle interlock defective". But this machine doesn't have anything I'd call a spindle interlock.
[16:09:37] <t12> its not that hard to couple them
[16:09:46] <t12> just dont mess up!
[16:10:00] <rootB> Praesmeodymium, im going ot check it out when the time comes
[16:10:28] <rootB> I read the reddit and various sites about lasercutting, they seem to recommend an specific chinese brand or a seller who refurbishes them into useful machines
[16:10:38] <rootB> or cutters form a company called BOSS
[16:10:40] <enleth> I suspect that it may be configuration-dependent, I messed a lot with machine parameters to get it running.
[16:13:19] <rootB> enleth, is there any site to find used machinery?
[16:13:37] <rootB> I mean, for me it's a 2 step logistic operation, buy it and bring it to Mexico safe and sound.
[16:14:45] <enleth> rootB: well, I'm in Central Europe, so any experience I have may not be of any particular use to you
[16:15:07] <rootB> oh crap
[16:15:08] <Praesmeodymium> craigslist seems to be popular in here
[16:15:24] <rootB> Praesmeodymium, the closest area for me is san diego
[16:15:33] <Praesmeodymium> but these guys know what they are looking at and what its worth waaay better than I do
[16:16:11] <enleth> Which incidentally means that I was extremely lucky to buy a used CNC Bridgeport over here.
[16:16:28] <enleth> A UK nade one, sure, but still.
[16:16:33] <rootB> oh well
[16:17:22] <enleth> All I usually got when lookong for a mill was some old soviet shit.
[16:18:08] <enleth> Any Bridgeport older than 1990s must have been imported already second-hand in the 90s or later.
[16:18:27] <rootB> my school had these weird ass chinese mills
[16:18:36] <rootB> and craftman mindustrial drill presses
[16:19:33] <rootB> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/tls/5215192939.html
[16:19:34] <rootB> actually
[16:19:35] <rootB> they had this
[16:24:38] <gromits> Another config question... Can one display the current feed rate in the DRO section of Axis?
[16:29:42] <JT-Shop> no, but you can in PyVCP
[16:31:14] <JT-Shop> motion.requested-vel
[16:31:47] <gromits> Ok, thanks JT
[16:32:21] <rootB> I always thought you were a really closed community, linuxCNC
[16:32:27] <rootB> I never had a nice experience here.
[16:33:09] <JT-Shop> ???
[16:34:05] <gromits> JT-Shop: do you know if there is a way to display Active Gcodes in pyvcp (actually Glade but...)? I want to display which is active on my lathe: G7 or G8?
[16:34:46] <JT-Shop> hmm, the only way I know of is to use the python interface
[16:35:00] <JT-Shop> if your using GladeVCP then that should be easy
[16:35:12] <XXCoder> rootB: hardly!
[16:35:15] <gromits> Yes, using GladeVCP
[16:35:19] <XXCoder> just that channel gets quiet at times
[16:35:46] <gromits> Hmm, will look at python interface info. thanks.
[16:35:53] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/python-interface.html#_linuxcnc_stat_attributes
[16:36:17] <JT-Shop> gcodes
[16:36:17] <JT-Shop> (returns tuple of 16 integers) - currently active G-codes.
[16:37:23] <XXCoder> check this out https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/nasa_graphics_manual_nhb_1430-2_jan_1976.pdf
[16:37:33] <XXCoder> NASA logo standards. suprising interesting
[16:37:42] <gromits> Thx
[16:37:42] <XXCoder> 60s or 70s not too sure
[16:37:58] <XXCoder> ah 1976
[16:38:12] <XXCoder> jan 2nd 1976. its published 18 days before I was born lol
[16:38:44] <Praesmeodymium> its a room full of techinical experts and they are always closed seeming to non experts, we ask questions that make no sense and are hard to answer which is both irritating and frustrating, same goes for #reprap
[16:39:21] <Wolf_> heh, least I know that someone in here is older then I am :P
[16:41:51] <XXCoder> Wolf_: its VERY hard to be THE oldest
[16:41:57] <XXCoder> same for youngest
[16:42:05] <Wolf_> :D
[16:42:21] <XXCoder> everyone has been youngest for milliseconds
[16:42:32] <XXCoder> but oldest yeah 99.99% never reach there
[16:42:49] <XXCoder> (made up numbers but pretty true)
[16:42:59] <renesis> moar nines
[16:43:06] <Wolf_> well ya have me beat by 8 months
[16:48:37] <XXCoder> Wolf_: https://2f5553c27b4a1eaa4c181720e143fb92b5c72544.googledrive.com/host/0B2GQktu-wcTiZlAyTTFEaFVuOUk/
[16:52:44] <XXCoder> rootB: check this out http://hackaday.com/2015/09/13/building-a-3d-printed-laser-tube/
[16:53:29] <rootB> nice
[16:53:48] <enleth> rootB: how would you define a nice experience?
[16:54:05] <malcom2073> zeeshan: ping
[16:54:14] <Praesmeodymium> heh I know that guy and that wont work btw at least not in that incarbnation
[16:54:31] <Praesmeodymium> it will arc for a second then poison itself
[16:55:27] <Praesmeodymium> thenn need to replace the gas so he need to add some kind of vacuum pocess to both rarify and exchange the atmosphere in the tube
[16:55:32] <enleth> rootB: I'm completely new here and I think it's far from closed or unwelcoming.
[16:56:00] <XXCoder> rootB: in least here dont assume person is a troll unlike some channels
[16:56:04] <XXCoder> like ##java
[16:56:11] <rootB> oh well
[16:56:16] <XXCoder> to those mods new == troll
[16:56:47] * Wolf_ doesn’t troll… much
[16:56:51] <enleth> rootB: although my view could be influenced by the fact that I'm an active member of a hackerspace, and hackerspaces are known for a rather "abrasive" atmosphere. I'm used to that.
[16:57:01] <malcom2073> Also a lot of it is your attitude. I had a terrible experience here until I changed my attitude around, people are much nicer now heh
[16:57:20] <Praesmeodymium> oh heh he totlly took my suggestions lol
[16:57:39] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: the pulse laser guy?
[16:57:46] <Praesmeodymium> yeaj kreature
[16:58:07] <Praesmeodymium> we were talking about it in repap and I told him to hook up an actual pump etc
[16:59:33] <Praesmeodymium> I hadnt seen the update he's doing all kinds of neat shit though, like a tiny tiny little 3dprinter hotend, and a mixing hotend, and some rostock system he designed getting kitted up by a company
[17:06:16] <XXCoder> interesting
[17:07:26] <Deejay> gn8
[17:20:27] <XXCoder> sigh I have feeling drones will be banned evenually
[17:20:34] <XXCoder> due to all retards not being careful with em
[17:20:47] <XXCoder> one guy crashed one into football stdium
[17:35:06] <JT-Shop> troll?
[17:36:16] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: are you meaning the tennis one, or something else?
[17:36:17] <JT-Shop> malcom2073, yea starting out with negative vibes doesn't make them want to help
[17:44:58] <malcom2073> JT-Shop: It's not just that, starting out with a confident vibe doesn't help either. You have to start out saying you're an idiot, and stroke the community ego to get anywhere :P
[17:46:28] <JT-Shop> well if you mean a know it all attitude yea who wants to help a know it all... he knows it already :)
[17:47:14] <malcom2073> Nope, not what I meant at all
[17:47:36] <JT-Shop> oh, then I misread
[17:48:00] <malcom2073> The difference between confidence, and know-it-all, is being correct :P
[17:48:27] <JT-Shop> lol yep
[17:49:04] * JT-Shop goes to fire up the barbie
[17:49:19] <malcom2073> Wow, I've been doing machine stuff too long. I totally read that as lathe
[17:50:28] <JT-Shop> too many chips in your hair
[17:50:42] <malcom2073> I wish! I haven't actually been making chips for a couple weeks
[17:51:01] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[17:52:33] <Tom_itx> but but..
[18:17:49] <Loetmichel> back at home. maaan, 200km++ (125 miles) in POURING rain at night is no fun. You dont see shit and the car begins to waterski if you go faster than 140kmh (85mph)
[18:18:17] <Tom_itx> been there
[18:32:40] <PetefromTn_> Woohoo my wife made us a big batch of Snickerdoodles! Gonna have a few while the machine makes some more Steyr Rails ;)
[18:34:21] <Tom_itx> i'm partial to rice crispie treats
[18:35:00] <PetefromTn_> Ooh I like those too. She makes those occasionally but its kind of a sticky mess with the kids LOL
[18:35:17] <Praesmeodymium> I like oatmeal raisin best recipe is the one uder the lid of the quaker oats box
[18:35:27] <Tom_itx> yeah those are good
[18:35:45] <Tom_itx> finally think i got the mill back in one piece
[18:36:00] <Tom_itx> ran a couple test programs with no problems so far
[18:36:10] <PetefromTn_> did not know you took it apart
[18:36:11] <Tom_itx> pendant is doing what it's supposed to
[18:36:18] <Tom_itx> i rebuilt the whole control
[18:36:33] <Tom_itx> added rev to the spindle & encoder etc
[18:36:39] <Tom_itx> updated some pendant code
[18:38:06] <PetefromTn_> you got it wired now huh
[18:38:09] <Tom_itx> got sync motion working / rigid tapping
[18:38:32] <Tom_itx> i need to find some better buttons for the pendant
[18:38:37] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/KoHmHx7 move over segway
[18:40:47] <Praesmeodymium> thos walker legs omg
[18:42:35] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSKyHmjyrkA
[19:06:49] <malcom2073> Tom_itx: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9336
[19:06:53] <malcom2073> :P
[19:07:07] * furrywolf is a kinetic sculptor of a different variety. ( http://kineticgrandchampionship.com/ )
[19:09:40] <Tom_itx> gonna try to find something smaller
[19:11:53] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anti-Vandal-Momentary-Stainless-Steel-Metal-Push-Button-Car-Switch-Flat-Top-16mm-/381133647700?hash=item58bd55ef54
[19:13:08] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://search.ebay.com/anti+vandal+button
[19:13:27] <furrywolf> "ul verified" uh-huh.
[19:13:32] <PetefromTn_> OOh I like that stainless one
[19:13:50] <PetefromTn_> the red lighted one I mean.
[19:13:57] <Tom_itx> looks flush though
[19:14:05] <Tom_itx> and still a bit bigger than i'd like
[19:15:29] <PetefromTn_> I was talking about for ME LOL
[19:17:04] <furrywolf> I don't know if any of those leg designs could be made with strength/weight/cost ratios suitable for the kinetic sculptures here.
[19:17:13] <furrywolf> anything fragile WILL break. so will many non-fragile things.
[19:17:51] <furrywolf> I've seen 1.5" shaft twisted off, motorcycle gearboxes stripped, 80 chain broken, etc. :)
[19:18:04] <malcom2073> furrywolf: I blew up one ofmy servo drives today
[19:18:14] <furrywolf> did you figure out how yet?
[19:18:26] <furrywolf> don't do that again. :)
[19:18:35] <malcom2073> Nope. Checked voltages and connections before I plugged it in, everything was well within spec
[19:18:54] <malcom2073> None of the components look burned, but there was a huge spark, smoke, and something flew off the board
[19:19:39] <furrywolf> heh
[19:56:55] <pcw_home> A bit late but on older equipment its good practice to reform capacitors and do a slow (and current limited)
[19:56:56] <pcw_home> first time bring up especially if the equipment has been idle for years
[19:57:12] <malcom2073> It's been idle for a year or so
[19:57:25] <Wolf_> I have a cap tester btw
[19:58:46] <malcom2073> I spent a good half hour with a magnifying glass looking at components, couldn't figure out which one was blown out. Might've been on the underside of the board (there are one or two there), but that's not possible toget to without desoldering transistors
[19:58:57] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: no football
[19:59:03] <Wolf_> oh fun
[19:59:17] <malcom2073> 110VDC was fine, it's when I gavei t the +15/-15 reference voltages it needs that it blew
[19:59:31] <malcom2073> 100VDC rather
[20:03:44] <t12> adjusted feed rod now much better
[20:03:46] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/8ow16ozmvbbsi13/AAA-Bza4dnjLtb0X5duVtXXLa
[20:04:39] <t12> is it reasonable to expect it to be 0 measurable wave like that
[20:06:36] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: ah - diddn't see another tard
[20:07:01] <XXCoder> yeah
[20:07:14] <XXCoder> I do want to fly drone but now not so sure.
[20:07:20] <SpeedEvil> You can quite safely do that over crowds.
[20:07:27] <SpeedEvil> - if you use a lighter than air drone.
[20:10:00] <Wolf_> get something big and scary like http://i.imgur.com/X53NwdV.jpg
[20:10:37] <XXCoder> thats not big and/or scary
[20:10:43] <XXCoder> get a gun one :P
[20:10:48] <XXCoder> (yes, someone made one)
[20:10:53] <Wolf_> mid sized http://i.imgur.com/F8ToJCR.jpg
[20:12:02] <malcom2073> I have one that has 4 10" propellers, that stuff is scary
[20:12:08] <Wolf_> or how about http://i.imgur.com/QO0HrkT.jpg swinging eight 12” carbon fiber props
[20:13:10] <XXCoder> interesting
[20:13:30] <SpeedEvil> You should not fly over, or near people, a drone you're not willing to have flown at full speed into your face.
[20:13:35] <malcom2073> SpeedEvil: +1
[20:13:41] <malcom2073> Wolf_: You running ardupilot?
[20:13:57] <Wolf_> on the big ass octo yeah
[20:14:05] <Wolf_> have a pix hawk on it
[20:14:09] <malcom2073> Nice, you use APMPlanner 2?
[20:14:55] <Wolf_> really, I haven’t maiden the thing yet
[20:15:06] <malcom2073> Heh take the damn camera off it then! :P
[20:15:32] <Wolf_> the whole landing gear/gimbal isn’t attached in that pic lol
[20:15:50] <malcom2073> Good haha :)
[20:15:53] <Wolf_> have more fun with these smaller quads http://i.imgur.com/qamI1V7.jpg
[20:16:06] <malcom2073> That one of the 250 racers?
[20:16:17] <malcom2073> Nah it's bigger
[20:16:22] <Wolf_> 330 motor to motor, 9” props, acro quad
[20:18:20] <Wolf_> 250 racer https://www.dropbox.com/s/f7zvossa1ino5it/Photo%20Mar%2009%2C%2010%2034%2009%20AM.jpg?dl=0
[20:18:48] <malcom2073> Yeah they look like fun
[20:18:53] <malcom2073> I'm getting out of the RC hobby, otherwise I'd get one
[20:19:48] <Wolf_> I took a partial break from the stuff this year
[20:20:07] <Wolf_> been out flying twice the whole year
[20:20:24] <malcom2073> I've not been out since last year :/
[20:21:39] <malcom2073> Thinking of selling off what I got, and just giving it up for awhile. I only have one plane and one quad, but they take up space
[20:23:09] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/ClssEZp.jpg get more creative with storage :P https://www.dropbox.com/s/itklbgitb6axh4b/Photo%20Feb%2012%2C%2010%2045%2037%20PM.jpg?dl=0
[20:23:17] <malcom2073> HAHA
[20:23:19] <malcom2073> haha*
[20:23:30] <Wolf_> I have 5 planes up on the ceiling in here
[20:23:44] <malcom2073> I have too much junk, trying to narrow down my hobby count and concentrate
[20:27:29] <XXCoder> lol
[20:28:39] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/S92p7ht.gifv
[20:28:54] <malcom2073> Bwahahah
[20:29:09] <malcom2073> Ignoring the fact that he quite likely was blinded for the rest of his life or whatnot
[20:29:13] <malcom2073> Still freaking halarious
[20:30:17] <Wolf_> my best vid https://youtu.be/p9GwPiDue8k?t=2m37s
[20:31:16] <malcom2073> Haha right in the kisser
[20:31:48] <XXCoder> revenge of drone
[20:32:05] <XXCoder> I once had one of those zip rope helicoper fly to my face
[20:32:08] <XXCoder> barely missed
[20:32:24] <XXCoder> and second time, someone flew a flying fairy towards my face
[20:32:37] <XXCoder> it hit but hard foam wings thankfully. still bit ow
[20:32:38] <malcom2073> Wolf_: https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/10425873_961289523885429_6760692730590115212_n.jpg?oh=30de16ccd2c12016a0a039f2541b7796&oe=56A2AE10 I have way too much junk
[20:33:14] <Wolf_> heh, I know the feeling
[20:34:23] <XXCoder> "on sale: drone. cheap. barely used, has minor blood splatters"
[20:38:08] <malcom2073> Wolf_: I'm gonna try out a couple strapping methods with my mill ram this week and the engine crane, see if Ican get a good spot to lift it from that is close enough so the height won't be an issue.
[20:38:58] <Wolf_> that or throw a tripod together from 4x4s or something
[20:39:13] <malcom2073> I thought about building a frame and doing it incrementally
[20:44:08] <malcom2073> Heh, try to avoid this kind of lift: http://www.mikeamick.com/misc/cin_head_truck.jpg
[20:44:33] <malcom2073> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachments/shop-tools/255669d1153714648-bridgeport-mill-weight-imgp1836.jpg THAT'S the kind of truck I need
[20:45:14] <Wolf_> yeah, I want to build a bed like that for mine
[21:06:51] <malcom2073> Well, time to go start cleaning these motors up so they look nice for the ebay photos heh
[21:09:46] <Wolf_> lol
[21:24:45] <furrywolf> subaru fixed. rear fuel filter completely plugged.
[21:25:35] <XXCoder> way to go
[21:25:40] <furrywolf> looked like rust... either the tank is a bit rusty, or someone added some bad gas.
[21:25:42] <malcom2073> Nice, ethanol "cleaning" out your tank?
[21:26:20] <furrywolf> the auto parts store gave me the wrong fuel filter, of course. I even told the guy that it looked way too large, but he insisted it was the right one for this car. since I hadn't actually pulled the old one out yet, I said whatever, brought it home... and of course I'm right.
[21:26:39] <malcom2073> Heh
[21:27:27] <furrywolf> I decided to put the wrong one in anyway. It's probably twice the size of the stock one in every direction. Had to rearrange one of the brackets just to get it in there, and install it with zip ties. I figured that if there's rust coming out of the tank, enough to clog filters, having a filter that takes 4+ times as long to clog is probably not a bad thing. :)
[21:27:38] <malcom2073> lol nice
[21:28:02] <XXCoder> thats good idea yeah
[21:28:45] <furrywolf> I was reading -1psi at the pump inlet just at idle flow, and only 1psi at the engine. popped the hose, barely a trickle. new filter 3psi at engine, and it sprays a nice continuous flow. fuel pump is nice and healthy.
[21:33:30] <furrywolf> One of the examples of subaruisms I always give is that, to make maintenance easier, the fuel pump and filter are mounted on a fold-down panel so you can work on them from the side of the car instead of under it... figured I'd grab a picture while I was under there. http://fw.bushytails.net/subarufuelstuff01.jpg looks like that. :)
[21:33:32] <PetefromTn_> glad to hear you got it sorted
[21:34:09] <PetefromTn_> hey that is pretty cool
[21:34:09] <XXCoder> not bad
[21:34:17] <atom1> got the mill back up in the shop now! yay
[21:34:23] <XXCoder> very repairable
[21:34:56] <PetefromTn_> I managed to machine a small run of four of my Steyr Picatinny rails this afternoon. Gotta do side two and the rail itself tomorrow after work
[21:36:14] <malcom2073> Nice
[21:40:04] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy shower time
[21:45:54] <Wolf_> oh wtf I almost ordered one of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/80T-80Tooth-ABS-Change-Gear-7x10-7x12-Mini-Lathe-Harbor-Freight-Grizzly-/161575893400?hash=item259eac7998
[21:46:17] <Wolf_> just noticed in the pic of the item that its a damn 3d print
[21:46:58] <malcom2073> bwahaha
[21:47:01] <atom1> plastic pos
[21:47:29] <XXCoder> atom1: it says harder plastic than orginial
[21:47:41] <atom1> probably hollow too
[21:47:46] <XXCoder> Wolf_: I could see print pattern in orginial picture
[21:47:48] <malcom2073> 5% infill ftw
[21:48:01] <Wolf_> lol
[21:48:09] <XXCoder> 0.0000121%
[21:49:06] <Wolf_> the metal set on AliExpress.. Does this fit a C2 lathe, and what gears are included? > “Hello friend It is 17pcs, suitable for miniature lathe C2 I did not know it, I want it to be compatible”
[21:49:53] <Wolf_> how the hell do these people sell anything...
[21:50:32] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[21:50:50] <PetefromTn_> love asking questions of them and getting answers like that..
[21:52:03] <XXCoder> WANT it to be compitable lol
[21:53:05] <Wolf_> yeah...
[21:53:35] <Wolf_> fuck it, I’ll print my own out, just found the stl for most of them on thingiverse
[21:58:12] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/NjNOR
[21:59:04] <zeeshan> bye bye!
[21:59:36] <XXCoder> ah you live at house chains
[22:00:00] <PetefromTn_> aw did you cry?
[22:00:03] <zeeshan> a bit
[22:00:05] <zeeshan> :(
[22:00:08] <PetefromTn_> I know man
[22:00:11] <zeeshan> long time together
[22:00:13] <zeeshan> long conversion
[22:00:15] <zeeshan> oh well
[22:00:21] <PetefromTn_> I always feel bad when I sell a machine for some reason
[22:00:28] <zeeshan> you get attached to it cause youve worked on it
[22:00:29] <XXCoder> change is the only constant
[22:00:30] <PetefromTn_> I really should have NOT sold my 12x36
[22:00:40] <PetefromTn_> and kept it for manual work
[22:00:43] <PetefromTn_> but oh well
[22:00:48] <zeeshan> meh
[22:00:51] <zeeshan> when you get your lathe running
[22:00:54] <zeeshan> you wont even need a manual :P
[22:00:58] <zeeshan> mdi and keyboard!
[22:00:59] <zeeshan> :P
[22:01:02] <PetefromTn_> I am hoping so
[22:01:16] <PetefromTn_> machined four parts today on the Cinci!
[22:01:21] <zeeshan> the rails?
[22:01:23] <zeeshan> scope rails
[22:01:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have two of them sold and another awaiting funds
[22:01:49] <zeeshan> moneyyyyyyyyy
[22:01:51] <PetefromTn_> I have been spending some time refining my programs
[22:01:54] <PetefromTn_> yeah baby
[22:02:09] <zeeshan> the new owner is a cool guy, about 30 min away
[22:02:17] <PetefromTn_> I hope that this week between work and my sales I can maybe order an axis or something for the lathe
[22:02:19] <XXCoder> HMM
[22:02:21] <zeeshan> does hot rod work
[22:02:26] <XXCoder> may be my first lathe http://www.leevalley.com/en/images/item/gardening/ev120s5.jpg
[22:02:36] <zeeshan> nice PetefromTn_
[22:02:41] <zeeshan> i'd love to see that standard modern running
[22:02:45] <zeeshan> beefy lathe
[22:02:49] <zeeshan> what do you think the weight is?
[22:03:04] <PetefromTn_> I think it is like 3500 lbs or something like that
[22:03:32] <PetefromTn_> Did I tell you about seeing that HAAS TL1 in person?
[22:03:36] <zeeshan> no
[22:03:48] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say that for what it is that is a pretty nice machine
[22:04:06] <PetefromTn_> It has a VERY wide apron and ways
[22:04:15] <Tom_itx> zeeshan... so sad
[22:04:16] <PetefromTn_> and the whole thing is pretty stout really
[22:04:17] <zeeshan> looks very beefy
[22:04:20] <zeeshan> yea tom
[22:04:33] <zeeshan> i had to reject a small job today
[22:04:35] <zeeshan> not big paying
[22:04:35] <PetefromTn_> they were making a bunch of stainless parts and they were really nice
[22:04:44] <zeeshan> guy wanted to run 18" 1.5" rubber rollers back true
[22:04:47] <zeeshan> no way to do that on the mill
[22:04:57] <zeeshan> 18" long, 1.5 diameter
[22:05:05] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: how much?
[22:05:15] <PetefromTn_> how much what?
[22:05:19] <zeeshan> oh it wasnt for sale?
[22:05:23] <PetefromTn_> no
[22:05:23] <zeeshan> the tl1
[22:05:33] <PetefromTn_> it was in the shop
[22:05:36] <PetefromTn_> never seen one before
[22:05:36] <zeeshan> ah
[22:05:52] <PetefromTn_> It would be a sweet small shop or toolroom lathe I think
[22:06:02] <Tom_itx> zeeshan you need a lathe now!
[22:06:10] <PetefromTn_> not all that dissimilar to my Standard Modern really...
[22:06:27] <Tom_itx> if you're gonna turn down work, turn it down on a lathe!
[22:06:31] <PetefromTn_> it does not have the enclosure mine does tho
[22:07:04] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: yea
[22:07:06] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/city-of-toronto/mori-seiki-sl-2-cnc-chucker/495717144?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[22:07:12] <zeeshan> how much do you think this lathe will cost
[22:07:16] <zeeshan> i hate it when they dont put prices
[22:07:17] <zeeshan> i emailed
[22:07:22] <zeeshan> they got a sl4 also
[22:07:50] <PetefromTn_> that should be pretty cheap that is a pretty old machine
[22:07:54] <PetefromTn_> but a good one I hear
[22:08:03] <Tom_itx> how old is it?
[22:08:12] <zeeshan> the sl2 is 1989
[22:08:15] <Tom_itx> those are pretty rugged machines
[22:08:16] <zeeshan> the sl4 is 1980
[22:08:23] <zeeshan> just not sure how much they cost
[22:08:27] <zeeshan> hopefully around 4k
[22:08:28] <zeeshan> at most
[22:08:31] <Tom_itx> check for crashes
[22:08:47] <zeeshan> i always take a dial indicator
[22:08:50] <zeeshan> and measure spindle runout
[22:08:53] <Tom_itx> take a dial with you and spin the spindle
[22:08:54] <Tom_itx> :D
[22:08:59] <zeeshan> yes
[22:09:02] <zeeshan> if thats f'ed
[22:09:04] <zeeshan> no point in getting machine
[22:10:30] <PetefromTn_> http://520machinery.com/DSCF3793.JPG that is what they have over there. Like I said decent machine really. I CANNOT WAIT to get my CNC lathe operational
[22:10:38] <zeeshan> pretty
[22:10:57] <zeeshan> one wish i have in a lathe is
[22:11:00] <zeeshan> its slantbed
[22:11:03] <zeeshan> and the ways are covered
[22:11:09] <zeeshan> because the chips really annoy the shit out of me
[22:11:11] <zeeshan> when they collect
[22:11:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[22:11:22] <zeeshan> even its not slant
[22:11:24] <zeeshan> it needs some cover on the way
[22:11:27] <PetefromTn_> I would LOVE a big toolchanger equipped slant bed
[22:11:40] <zeeshan> gang tool works :P
[22:11:42] <PetefromTn_> but for what I am doing the open bed and longer Z length is more useful
[22:11:51] <zeeshan> yea
[22:11:55] <zeeshan> that haas tl2
[22:12:00] <zeeshan> has a huge center to center turning distance
[22:12:06] <PetefromTn_> a simple toolchanger will make it ALMOST as good
[22:12:11] <zeeshan> and the size of that tail stock mount
[22:12:12] <XXCoder> jeeez spacing! http://cdn.earthporm.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/bad-letter-spacing-4__6051.jpg
[22:12:12] <zeeshan> holy cow
[22:12:13] <zeeshan> beefy.
[22:12:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is kinda what I was saying. IT is a beefy little machine
[22:12:33] <zeeshan> i really need a tool changer for the mill
[22:12:34] <zeeshan> :(
[22:12:36] <PetefromTn_> I was kinda surprised at just how beefy
[22:12:39] <XXCoder> strong lathe
[22:12:58] <PetefromTn_> the width of the apron is quite wide
[22:13:04] <zeeshan> i wonder why ?
[22:13:07] <zeeshan> to let the chips fall down?
[22:13:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah and for rigidity
[22:13:19] <XXCoder> http://www.earthporm.com/bad-letter-spacing/?utm_rcreplace_392=4650
[22:13:32] <zeeshan> makes sense if youre turning something large
[22:13:35] <zeeshan> the force is further out
[22:13:40] <PetefromTn_> yup
[22:14:04] <zeeshan> i like that simple cover
[22:14:08] <zeeshan> very functional
[22:14:12] <zeeshan> but does not also get too much in the way
[22:14:16] <PetefromTn_> I wish I could afford one but the SM will be great for me. IF I outgrow that one I will get a turning center
[22:14:17] <zeeshan> unlike a fully enclosed lathe
[22:14:54] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: still better than tormach
[22:14:55] <zeeshan> :)
[22:14:55] <PetefromTn_> there are several options for toolchangers too
[22:15:00] <PetefromTn_> shit
[22:15:07] <PetefromTn_> WAY better than a tormach LOL
[22:15:10] <zeeshan> yea!!
[22:15:21] <PetefromTn_> altho I do think the Tormach lathe is halfway decent really
[22:15:53] <zeeshan> im just talkin smach
[22:15:53] <zeeshan> ahha
[22:16:02] <zeeshan> its wayyy better than their mill
[22:16:05] <PetefromTn_> If I wanted a small swing gang tooled lathe like that I think there are several better options out there.
[22:16:21] <zeeshan> its such a small lathe
[22:16:25] <zeeshan> bvut weights around 1600lb
[22:16:30] <zeeshan> so its rigid
[22:16:53] <zeeshan> honestly if you think about a lathe
[22:16:56] <zeeshan> just a simple one
[22:16:56] <PetefromTn_> best part.....LINUXCNC
[22:17:01] <zeeshan> you could literally take a big piece of cast iron
[22:17:05] <zeeshan> and bolt on a motor
[22:17:08] <zeeshan> and you got a lathe :P
[22:17:14] <zeeshan> and a carriage
[22:17:38] <PetefromTn_> There are SO MANY used CNC lathes out there nowadays
[22:17:48] <PetefromTn_> you can literally take your pick
[22:17:59] <SpeedEvil> especially with broken controls so they;'re cheap
[22:18:01] <PetefromTn_> a couple grand would get you a pretty decent one
[22:19:17] <XXCoder> mills seem harder to get lol
[22:21:14] <PetefromTn_> well I gotta shut down the shop and hit the sack. GN8 guys..
[22:21:36] <SpeedEvil> night
[22:21:50] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: dont let sack hit you
[22:24:57] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[22:32:54] <Tom_itx> what advantage is there with a slantbed lathe?
[22:33:09] <Tom_itx> gets the bed outta the chip path?
[22:34:39] <Tom_itx> gawd.. i dunno which one reminds me more... windows update or FF
[22:34:44] <Tom_itx> how annoying
[22:34:54] <XXCoder> fuckering lights lol http://cdn.earthporm.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Space-bar-you-had-one-job-__605.jpg
[22:35:34] <Wolf_> heh
[22:41:23] <renesis> heheh
[23:36:56] <furrywolf> looks like flickering to me, just with a bad choice of fonts/kerning.
[23:37:08] <XXCoder> it is
[23:41:52] <furrywolf> http://www.toymakerproject.com/hammer/ ohh, shiny fuckering lights. :P
[23:43:05] * furrywolf has the regular non-illuminated version of that toy...
[23:44:17] <XXCoder> lol
[23:45:01] <furrywolf> she must have custom molded it, using a mold made from the commercial product.
[23:45:24] <XXCoder> or some guy
[23:46:17] <furrywolf> no, it's an exact clone of the toy I have.
[23:46:33] <furrywolf> (tantus feeldoe... probably the most popular strapless strapon)
[23:47:21] <furrywolf> and the electronics are obviously molded into it.
[23:47:36] <renesis> it wouldnt be harder
[23:48:04] <renesis> easier than making a mold of an actual penis, you have to keep it hard with a real one
[23:49:46] <furrywolf> ... there's kinky maker meetings? I so totally want to go to one.
[23:49:46] <furrywolf> lol
[23:50:23] <renesis> where are you seeing this?
[23:51:00] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> http://www.toymakerproject.com/hammer/ ohh, shiny fuckering lights. :P
[23:51:00] <XXCoder> renesis: yeah makes sense
[23:51:10] <furrywolf> various links off that page
[23:51:26] <renesis> yeah im asking for the link to the kinky maker meeting
[23:51:38] <furrywolf> top left somewhere
[23:51:54] <renesis> ha
[23:52:00] * furrywolf is no longer on that page, and not going to go back just to save renesis having to read. :P
[23:52:13] <renesis> http://www.monochrom.at/arse-elektronika/
[23:52:18] <renesis> shoot your workload!
[23:52:38] <renesis> How much sex does it take to power a light bulb? Can fucking charge a battery? Could we power electronics with our sex lives?
[23:52:59] <furrywolf> lol
[23:55:21] <furrywolf> http://teasecraft.com/ was the one I was referring to
[23:56:51] <renesis> theyre on the other side of the country
[23:58:34] <furrywolf> http://www.toymakerproject.com/dildo-generator/ include that with the linuxcnc install :)
[23:59:29] <furrywolf> although I think most cad software can do that trivially.