#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-09-12

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[01:21:29] <superbrainsphex> Good morning someone online ?
[01:23:07] <XXCoder> yes
[01:23:12] <XXCoder> too bad you left
[01:54:13] <Jymmm> We're online, but only for (let me see...) 79 seconds
[01:54:57] <XXCoder> too late you missed Jymmm
[01:54:59] <XXCoder> heh
[02:09:13] <Deejay> moin
[02:09:35] <XXCoder> hey
[02:18:16] <Deejay> hi XXCoder
[02:18:25] <XXCoder> hows thngs
[02:26:08] <Deejay> fine, but have to do some housework now :/
[02:26:44] <Deejay> hope u are fine, too
[02:27:09] <XXCoder> bit sick but besides that fine
[02:36:08] <Deejay> oh. hope you get well soon
[02:36:29] <XXCoder> thanjks'
[02:36:33] <XXCoder> *thanks
[06:01:35] <jthornton> morning
[06:02:46] * jthornton finally reached 14.5 stone... only a half a stone to go
[06:31:46] <ganzuul> Switching to sugar free cola helped a lot with my general health... I was getting not-slim.
[06:32:11] <ganzuul> Less white sugar also makes me a lot less bitchy.
[06:55:13] <Jymmm> jthornton: Ya gotta stop smokin that home grown crap if you want to REALLY wanna get stoned ;)
[06:55:35] <Jymmm> ganzuul: "less bitchy"... not really =)
[06:56:02] <jthornton> who woke Jymmm up?
[06:56:40] <Jymmm> jthornton: I think it was a bear, cause the miniture donkeys have been behaving lately.
[06:57:19] <Jymmm> jthornton: how gors it?
[06:57:25] <Jymmm> goes*
[06:59:41] <ganzuul> Impatiently waiting for my lathe.
[06:59:57] <ganzuul> And wondering how to steal a church bell for the brass.
[07:00:35] <Jymmm> Wouldn't that be like and instant ticket to hell?
[07:02:03] <ganzuul> Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.
[07:03:50] <ganzuul> I can make a gyroscope for them in return. Have them wonder about the strange laws of nature that their god purportedly created.
[07:03:53] <jthornton> I'm doing good Jymmm
[07:04:25] * jthornton has a few hundred pounds of brass
[07:04:28] <Jymmm> jthornton: Cool, I'm gong to try that Satay recipe you linked to.
[07:04:33] <ganzuul> :o
[07:04:43] <jthornton> yea I want to try that sunday
[07:04:44] <ganzuul> Do you have a quantum portaling device?
[07:04:53] <jthornton> it's down at the moment
[07:04:58] <ganzuul> drats
[07:05:11] <jthornton> flux capacitor leaking
[07:05:25] <Jymmm> jthornton: Got duct tape?
[07:05:28] <ganzuul> Might be an unplugged ethernet cable.
[07:07:53] <ganzuul> (leaking ether on the floor)
[07:08:19] <jthornton> I have a fan on it now trying to dry it up
[07:09:14] <Jymmm> This guy is talking about drilling a water well using PVC pipe; I'm 16m in cayse I wanna see the results/process he's talking about =) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ANS4awOxrI
[07:09:54] <malcom2073> That'd be useful for geothermal well drilling
[07:10:08] <Jymmm> malcom2073: He's done 3 of those
[07:10:13] <malcom2073> Oh nice!
[07:10:28] <malcom2073> I wonder if the township would yell at me for that
[07:11:35] <Jymmm> malcom2073: I suspec the water runoff would be noticed
[07:11:47] <malcom2073> Eh, it'd ust run into the stream next to my house haha
[07:11:55] <Jymmm> ah
[07:12:02] <malcom2073> PA is pretty mean about their streams though
[07:12:21] <Jymmm> His " drill head" is four 1/2" drillbits
[07:12:28] <malcom2073> I'm watching nowheh
[07:13:20] <malcom2073> Ugh the resizing for orientation
[07:17:13] <Jymmm> What I dont get is why is the discharge pulsing instead of being consitant flow
[07:18:16] <malcom2073> I think because of the air
[07:18:24] <Jymmm> maybe
[07:18:25] <malcom2073> Or because his pump sucks?
[07:18:33] <malcom2073> He said he was pumping from a lake
[07:19:42] <malcom2073> Oh you mean while it's in the ground?
[07:19:44] <malcom2073> I just got to that part
[07:19:47] <malcom2073> I'd guess the air rising
[07:20:31] <Jymmm> I'm watching another now... It's funny that neither show the start of the drilling process
[07:20:52] <malcom2073> My guess is you'd need that auger he's talking about to start it
[07:21:13] <Jymmm> no clue, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGq0ETzZP0E
[07:21:22] <malcom2073> Watching that makesm e want to make a motorized one that automatically hammers up and down heh
[07:22:16] <Jymmm> There ya go, then you can comes drill me some geothermal goodness
[07:23:21] <malcom2073> Yeah that looks like it sucks, hard
[07:23:52] <Jymmm> lol
[07:24:06] <malcom2073> I'll just rent a backhoe and trench my geothermal heh
[07:24:17] <Jymmm> trench?!
[07:24:29] <Jymmm> oh horizontal
[07:24:44] <malcom2073> Yeah
[07:27:25] <Jymmm> These guys go thru hours of manual drilling, If you are going to save from paying someone do it for you, why the hell not invest in making a rig and getting a motor or two as well
[07:28:52] <ReadError> maybe thats how he exercises
[07:29:22] <malcom2073> He does have big arms
[08:10:34] <zeeshan> morning
[08:22:23] <malcom2073> Morning
[08:23:58] <zeeshan> what have you been upto malcom2073
[08:24:01] <zeeshan> how goes the conversion
[08:26:27] <malcom2073> zeeshan: I'm flip flopping! :/
[08:26:39] <zeeshan> are you a transistor
[08:26:44] <malcom2073> Nah I'm a logic circuit
[08:27:45] <malcom2073> Steppers are easier to configure/use, but they require machining pulley adapters, maybe new pulleys, and adapter plates. Servos are harder, but only require one addition piece of hardware, but carry with them the possibility of failure of my current drives
[08:28:24] <zeeshan> either way is money
[08:28:25] <zeeshan> and work
[08:28:25] <zeeshan> :P
[08:28:57] <zeeshan> i agree with you servos are harder
[08:28:57] <malcom2073> Yep. Steppers are garunteed work and garunteed lack of failures. Servos are no work, and chance of failure :P
[08:29:01] <zeeshan> and they're also picky even in service
[08:29:05] <zeeshan> like my issue yesterday with the Y axis
[08:29:08] <zeeshan> randomly ferroring out
[08:29:57] <zeeshan> ended up being a loose cable or something up with my Y axis wire shielding
[08:30:02] <malcom2073> yeah
[08:30:10] <malcom2073> You have quadrature encoders?
[08:30:11] <malcom2073> Or resolvers?
[08:30:22] <zeeshan> ive had issue with only this axis throughout the time ive owned the machine
[08:30:32] <zeeshan> i have glass quadrature scales
[08:30:37] <zeeshan> and tachometers
[08:30:40] <malcom2073> Alright same as me then
[08:30:45] <zeeshan> tachometers complete the velocity loop in the servo drive
[08:30:58] <zeeshan> and linuxcnc completes the positional loop
[08:31:03] <zeeshan> using the glass scales
[08:31:08] <malcom2073> Yeah, I think that's how mine would work too
[08:33:15] <malcom2073> Well mid-next week there will be more 7i77's in stock
[08:33:25] <malcom2073> so I should test my servo drives this weekend, run +5 to them and see if the motors spin
[08:35:59] <zeeshan> and hey if it doesnt work out
[08:36:03] <zeeshan> you can always sell me the 7i77
[08:36:11] <zeeshan> ill eventually need one for the lathe
[08:36:34] <malcom2073> Actually, that makes it better
[08:36:46] <malcom2073> Do you need a 5i25 too?
[08:37:01] <malcom2073> I'm sure if it doesn't work out, I'll eventually find someone that needs a setup
[08:38:23] <zeeshan> yea
[08:38:26] <zeeshan> or a 6i25
[08:38:35] <zeeshan> depending on whether it is a pci or pci-e port
[08:39:57] <malcom2073> Hmm, I think the pci-e would sell better if I need to later, but it's more expensive
[08:40:22] <zeeshan> shrug
[08:40:31] <zeeshan> ive seen pci in modern boards too
[08:40:35] <zeeshan> that are going to be used for motion control
[08:40:48] <zeeshan> the combo is like 180?
[08:40:49] <zeeshan> right?
[08:41:08] <zeeshan> that price is not even like
[08:41:29] <zeeshan> 1/50 of a fanuc controller
[08:41:30] <zeeshan> :P
[08:41:47] <malcom2073> Erm, $230
[08:42:07] <malcom2073> more, $160 for the 7i77, and $110 for the 6i25
[08:45:47] <zeeshan> cheap for what youre getting
[08:46:01] <zeeshan> even though there is no comparison between these two systems
[08:46:08] <zeeshan> but if you were to get cnc4pc components
[08:46:20] <zeeshan> and try to get the same options, you'd prolly be much more than that
[08:46:36] <malcom2073> Well yeah, there's no arguing that mesa is the cheapest option out ther
[08:46:37] <malcom2073> there
[08:46:43] <zeeshan> if you dont have money
[08:46:46] <zeeshan> find a job :P
[08:46:53] <zeeshan> you cant cheap on these things
[08:47:02] <zeeshan> cause when you get actual jobs -- if you intend to make money from your machines
[08:47:04] <zeeshan> you need them to perform
[08:47:19] <malcom2073> I don't know if I'll ever consider myself good enough to actually take on real jobs
[08:47:22] <malcom2073> I'm a software guy yanno :P
[08:47:53] <zeeshan> you'll be suprised how many people come to you when you have it running and can demonstrate you can make parts with it
[08:48:05] <zeeshan> because you can be first of all cheaper
[08:48:09] <zeeshan> you'll accept small jobs
[08:48:15] <zeeshan> and you'll do a better job
[08:48:25] <zeeshan> than a lot of machine shops
[08:48:31] <zeeshan> a lot of machine shops won't do one offs
[08:48:35] <malcom2073> True, there is a bit of an emerging market for home cnc jobs
[08:48:42] <zeeshan> and if they do, they'll want a crazy amount of money
[08:48:58] <zeeshan> and it helps if you have some qualifications as well
[08:49:19] <zeeshan> i should have my eng. license in 2 years
[08:49:31] <zeeshan> i can sense that will take me to another level
[08:50:01] <malcom2073> Right, for you it makes sense
[08:50:12] <zeeshan> even look @ john nycnc
[08:50:15] <zeeshan> hes always doing jobs
[08:50:26] <zeeshan> (personally i wouldn't make it my full time career like him)
[08:50:43] <zeeshan> even for you
[08:50:54] <zeeshan> cause you can prolly make more money sitting on your ass and using your brain
[08:52:24] <malcom2073> That's the idea :-D
[09:19:35] <ganzuul> \o/
[09:19:39] * ganzuul found treasure
[09:19:51] <ganzuul> cast iron scraps
[09:20:00] <ganzuul> Someone's broken bath tub.
[09:20:20] <ganzuul> Can probably turn some disks out of it.
[09:20:35] <ganzuul> Not sure what I need them for but o well
[09:20:54] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/EiC9FGU.png
[09:21:39] <Wolf_Mill> o.0
[09:21:58] <jdh> converting from servo to steppers should be a medium large sin
[09:22:25] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, where's the fun in sitting on your arse...
[09:22:43] <PetefromTn_> I quite enjoy it ;)
[09:25:27] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: Melt it down and pour it into molds and then carefully scrape them into a specific shape. Way more fun.
[09:26:11] <Wolf_Mill> apartment foundry sounds fun
[09:28:21] <Wolf_Mill> hey zeeshan, I'm gonna add a mini-cool to my mill, how much of a mess should I expect?
[09:32:56] <zeeshan> none at all
[09:33:07] <zeeshan> it evaporates pretty rapidly
[09:33:42] <zeeshan> just do the pressure vessel mod
[09:33:48] <zeeshan> so you don't inhal coolant mist
[09:34:34] <SpeedEvil> But inhaling coolant mist is the best part!
[09:34:47] <malcom2073> Mmmm rancid coolant
[09:34:49] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, you make your drill fixture yet?
[09:34:54] <zeeshan> no tom
[09:34:57] <zeeshan> we did an alternative
[09:35:05] <zeeshan> i just half moon the battery tube bore
[09:35:14] <zeeshan> so the wire runs beside the battery tube
[09:35:26] <zeeshan> i told him i'm doing it like this and he has to fill it if he has issues
[09:35:34] <zeeshan> unless he wants to pay me more money to make a drill fixture
[09:35:43] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, I got a small water filter housing for $16 to convert, its 1/4" npt fittings so should save some adapters
[09:35:55] <ganzuul> My local hacklab is looking for a new place. Might get lucky with heavy machinery.
[09:35:58] <Tom_itx> you're not working for free??
[09:35:59] <zeeshan> okay ill save you some headache Wolf_Mill
[09:36:12] <zeeshan> theres 2 lines for the minicool, one air, one water pick up
[09:36:20] <zeeshan> both hoses are 4mm
[09:36:29] <Wolf_Mill> o odd
[09:36:33] <zeeshan> so grab a 4mm tube fitting
[09:36:37] <zeeshan> i used 4mm to 10-32
[09:36:42] <zeeshan> standard pneumatic stuff..
[09:37:03] <zeeshan> you might be able to find 4mm to 1/4 npt
[09:37:31] <zeeshan> http://www.coleparmer.com/Product/PFA_compression_threaded_adapter_4mm_tubing_OD_x_1_4_male_NPT/EW-31321-63
[09:37:33] <zeeshan> yep it exists
[09:38:23] <zeeshan> also you have to make sure
[09:38:29] <zeeshan> lemme just post the pic of the adapter
[09:38:32] <Tom_itx> 32 bux! holy crap
[09:38:37] <zeeshan> don't make the same mistake as me..
[09:38:39] <zeeshan> this is very important
[09:38:54] <Wolf_Mill> donthook the incoming air to the pickup tube
[09:39:01] <zeeshan> hahaha
[09:39:02] <zeeshan> that too
[09:39:07] <zeeshan> but you need a pick up tube for sure
[09:39:14] <zeeshan> cause if you dont, ull get the same issue.
[09:39:22] <zeeshan> you'll just push coolant out everywhere
[09:39:30] <zeeshan> do you remember the video i posted?
[09:39:36] <zeeshan> i describe it pretty well
[09:39:52] <Wolf_Mill> nope, think I missed the vid
[09:40:18] <zeeshan> https://youtu.be/xRHUCp4D8UU?t=121
[09:40:55] <zeeshan> i didn't mean to dis tom lipton
[09:41:04] <zeeshan> but now that i listen to it, it sounds like it is
[09:41:10] <zeeshan> but a soda bottle does look a bit ghetto
[09:41:24] <zeeshan> a water filteration tank looks much better.
[09:42:19] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, I didnt want a soda bottle
[09:43:14] <zeeshan> since that video ive experimented a bit with it
[09:43:23] <zeeshan> if you have it set right, it evaps on contact
[09:43:34] <zeeshan> but for drilling and stuf, i notch it up
[09:43:44] <zeeshan> so i can visually see the droplets
[09:44:02] <zeeshan> need to reboot
[09:44:04] <Tom_itx> it'll leave a buildup on the table eventually
[09:44:11] <zeeshan> nahh
[09:44:20] <zeeshan> use koolmist
[09:44:21] <zeeshan> brb
[09:44:50] <Wolf_Mill> cool, the vac setup sorta works, but I really need some coolant/lube
[09:46:14] <Wolf_Mill> I need to get some 5v relays =)
[09:46:23] <zeeshan> yea i'd like to add relays to my system
[09:46:27] <zeeshan> so i dont have to manually trigger it
[09:47:09] <Wolf_Mill> already thought about adding one to turn the spindle on/off even if it cant control the speed
[09:47:11] <zeeshan> i wonder if there is a way to control the misting through computer too ?
[09:47:20] <Tom_itx> yes
[09:47:25] <Tom_itx> there's a coolant M code for it
[09:47:28] <zeeshan> noo
[09:47:35] <zeeshan> i mean you know how i was twisting the nozzle
[09:47:38] <zeeshan> to get more coolant or less
[09:47:46] <Tom_itx> no
[09:47:50] <zeeshan> im wondering if you can somehow control that
[09:47:57] <Wolf_Mill> pwm controled hyrdraulic valves
[09:48:01] <zeeshan> haha
[09:48:04] <zeeshan> thats hardcore
[09:48:09] <zeeshan> you need 2 relays btw
[09:48:12] <zeeshan> er 2 solenoids
[09:48:24] <zeeshan> actually maybe you can get away with one..
[09:48:35] <zeeshan> just leave all the mechanical connections in the on position
[09:48:42] <zeeshan> and just switch the air inlet
[09:48:47] <Wolf_Mill> I was just going to put it on the incoming air line
[09:49:04] <zeeshan> i have those 24vdc solenoids
[09:49:11] <zeeshan> but they're kinda a bit dinky
[09:49:13] <zeeshan> 10-32 ports..
[09:49:27] <Wolf_Mill> I have a 12v one, looks tiny but its 1/4npt
[09:51:17] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: want a project? http://baltimore.craigslist.org/tls/5181190774.html same model as mine but not cnc
[09:51:32] <malcom2073> Or rather, 2 axis cnc
[09:51:51] <PetefromTn_> nice clausing
[09:52:04] <Wolf_Mill> oo dammit
[09:52:14] <malcom2073> You know, that's a powereed knee
[09:52:20] <malcom2073> So it might be 3 axis, just not quill
[09:54:00] <PetefromTn_> I would like to have a machine like that to go along with my VMC
[09:54:17] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: you thinkso?
[09:54:22] <malcom2073> I like that it has handles, I want handles on mine
[09:54:32] <zeeshan> what benefit would a manual mill bring?
[09:54:38] <malcom2073> It's not manual
[09:54:40] <malcom2073> it's cnc
[09:54:48] <zeeshan> O
[09:54:51] <PetefromTn_> I could care less about the handles but just nice for second ops stuff
[09:55:00] <zeeshan> ah
[09:55:19] <zeeshan> 2 cnc mills would be cool
[09:55:20] <zeeshan> :P
[09:55:46] <malcom2073> I'll soon have a small benchtop cnc
[09:55:54] <PetefromTn_> plus while it has never been a problem for me yet I can see a situation where the full enclosure will limit very long pieces
[09:56:05] <zeeshan> thats an easy fix :P
[09:56:05] <malcom2073> No good for metal though
[09:56:13] <zeeshan> cut out holes in your enclosure
[09:56:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I could cut holes
[09:56:20] <zeeshan> and weld some piano hinges!
[09:56:20] <zeeshan> :P
[09:56:27] <Wolf_Mill> the x1 is sorta ok on alum
[09:56:42] <PetefromTn_> but if you look at my enclosure there are two seams right about in the middle of the table going vertically on each side
[09:56:58] <Wolf_Mill> I was doing 2mm doc with 3/8 endmill yesterday
[09:57:13] <PetefromTn_> in soft butter?
[09:57:19] <Wolf_Mill> in alum
[09:57:20] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[09:57:26] <zeeshan> OH SHIT 2mm DOC
[09:57:42] <Wolf_Mill> I was totally expecting something to break at first
[09:58:03] <zeeshan> youd know right away
[09:58:06] <zeeshan> if its flexing
[09:58:10] <zeeshan> youll hear chatter right away
[09:58:16] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, pushing that 1/5th hp to the max
[09:58:27] <PetefromTn_> ya know speaking of mini mills
[09:58:45] <PetefromTn_> when I went to that shop to interview for the job I Ultimately turned down the other day
[09:58:58] <PetefromTn_> they have one of those HAAS TM1 mini mills there
[09:59:05] <PetefromTn_> with the half enclosure
[09:59:11] <PetefromTn_> and with carousel toolchanger
[09:59:15] <zeeshan> they got those in the school lab
[09:59:18] <zeeshan> not my section
[09:59:18] <Wolf_Mill> mari 3/8 3FL ZRN hog end mill, works amazing
[09:59:20] <zeeshan> they're beast dude
[09:59:22] <PetefromTn_> it has an interesting coolant setup
[09:59:30] <zeeshan> now that's a real mini mill
[09:59:30] <PetefromTn_> it is NOT that bad a machine really
[09:59:33] <zeeshan> shames a tormach
[09:59:53] <malcom2073> What's everyone got against tormach?
[09:59:53] <PetefromTn_> after seeing my friend programming some cuts in stainless while I was there
[10:00:00] <zeeshan> malcom2073: fak tormach!!!
[10:00:08] <PetefromTn_> it worked pretty well and according to him it makes a very accurate part
[10:00:09] <malcom2073> zeeshan: You're killing your point yanno :P
[10:00:19] <zeeshan> im ignorant dontcha know
[10:00:25] <zeeshan> my point is invalid right from when i say it
[10:00:26] <PetefromTn_> it is also a lot bigger than it looks in pictures
[10:00:38] <malcom2073> zeeshan: With evidence like that I can't argue with you ;)
[10:00:41] <PetefromTn_> It is WAY nicer than any tormach
[10:01:22] <PetefromTn_> the only big drawback is the 4k max spindle but they sure make a lot of parts with it.
[10:01:48] <PetefromTn_> it would be a GREAT Garage shop machine I think
[10:02:48] <malcom2073> Heh, expensive garage shop toy
[10:03:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah but look at what you can do with it...
[10:03:07] <Wolf_Mill> well, seems if I want 4mm push to metric thread I'm set
[10:03:27] <zeeshan> ill tell you why i have hatred towards tormach
[10:03:31] <PetefromTn_> Still have not received my damn new Tig torch setup GRRrrr
[10:03:35] <zeeshan> 1. linuxcnc rip off without credit
[10:03:56] <malcom2073> The linuxcnc license doesn't require credit does it?
[10:04:22] <zeeshan> sure, but it's a completely dick move to act like you've created all aspects of a software
[10:04:32] <furrywolf> zeeshan: did your gremlins come back?
[10:04:46] <malcom2073> Karma doesn't exist in business
[10:04:48] <malcom2073> only in hobby
[10:04:52] <zeeshan> its like me machining something for someone, and then them powdercoating it and call it their own.
[10:04:56] <malcom2073> So no such thing as a dick move
[10:05:04] <PetefromTn_> I have zero hatred for Tormach and think they have created a niche market for what is a decent machine but I agree about the taking credit thing...
[10:05:06] <furrywolf> hrmm. I've never actually read through the linuxcnc license. not GPL?
[10:05:16] <malcom2073> furrywolf: It is GPL, there's no advertizing clause.
[10:05:24] <malcom2073> That's BSD 4 clause
[10:05:26] <zeeshan> 2. its basically a weak machine for 10000$
[10:05:42] <zeeshan> 3. its is chinese based
[10:05:47] <zeeshan> 4. mostly noobs own it
[10:05:57] <zeeshan> 5. fak tormach
[10:05:58] <PetefromTn_> I think it costs too much and is priced too close to what a good used VMC can be bought for
[10:06:05] <malcom2073> Sounds like 2-5 stem entirely from #1
[10:06:12] <furrywolf> if it's GPL, they're required to include all the sources they used and/or advertise that they're available, no?
[10:06:20] <zeeshan> furrywolf: nah they are gone
[10:06:23] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Only to those who they distribute it to
[10:06:25] <zeeshan> ill need to spend more time when i get more time
[10:06:26] <malcom2073> Not to the public
[10:06:29] <zeeshan> to figure out what is causing it
[10:07:00] <PetefromTn_> there has been some activity on the CNCzone thread concerning retrofitting their new software to other machines
[10:07:07] <furrywolf> yes, but when you buy their hardware/software solution, it had better come with the source code for all the gpl parts they used, or information on how to obtain it... which would make it kinda hard to claim they wrote it.
[10:07:25] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Sure, but I doubt zeeshan has purchased one to make that distinction :P
[10:07:46] <PetefromTn_> I hope people figure out a way to do it easily so everyone can enjoy it which is as it should be I think.
[10:08:35] <zeeshan> malcom2073: i only purchase pieces of shit once
[10:08:40] <t12> i finally learned why they REALLY closed the university machineshop
[10:08:44] <zeeshan> and i don't buy royal pieces of shit ever :P
[10:08:47] <malcom2073> heh
[10:08:58] <t12> someone decided to make the administrators responsible for them personally liable for injuries
[10:09:01] <t12> however the hell that works
[10:09:04] <t12> so they just closed all the doors instead
[10:09:06] <malcom2073> t12: Haha wow, that sucks
[10:09:08] <malcom2073> I don't blame them though
[10:09:12] <t12> i do
[10:09:26] <t12> suck it up and be safe or pass the control to someone else
[10:09:33] <t12> vs deleting the resource
[10:09:50] <PetefromTn_> that to me is a FUCKIN' Tragedy...
[10:09:58] <zeeshan> let me show you
[10:10:00] <zeeshan> what a tormach looks like
[10:10:01] <malcom2073> I mean I don't blame them for not wanting to deal with it
[10:10:03] <zeeshan> without all the ricer covers
[10:10:11] <zeeshan> just the actual machine.
[10:10:11] <t12> yeah
[10:10:17] <zeeshan> http://www.tormach.com/uploads/images/Gallery/products/pcnc1100/pcnc_1100_mill/32085_PCNC1100_Series3_nostand.jpg
[10:10:21] <furrywolf> the local junkyard no longer lets you pull your own parts because their insurance company told them so.
[10:10:21] <malcom2073> liability is a major headache. I've seen a couple hackerspaces around here go down for it
[10:10:22] <zeeshan> looks far from frigging rigid to me.
[10:10:41] <SpeedEvil> t12: 'be safe' is not easy if you have people that may fuck up. Accidents happen.
[10:10:50] <malcom2073> Idiots also happen
[10:10:51] <t12> yeah
[10:10:59] <SpeedEvil> t12: Unless you're having the machines in locked-down cages, with the people outside them when power is on.
[10:11:03] <t12> meanwhile though
[10:11:06] <malcom2073> zeeshan: I know someone that has the 1100, pretty nicem achine
[10:11:09] <SpeedEvil> And even then people can cut themseves on tooling.
[10:11:09] <t12> you have a BSL3 down the hallway
[10:11:11] <t12> they keep that safe
[10:11:19] <zeeshan> malcom2073: i knwo someone too
[10:11:22] <zeeshan> and its a pos
[10:11:22] <malcom2073> BSL3?
[10:11:28] <zeeshan> :P
[10:11:30] <t12> bad human pathogens
[10:11:33] <malcom2073> zeeshan: As with anything, YMMV :P
[10:11:33] <SpeedEvil> Nasty biolab
[10:11:41] <malcom2073> Lovely heh
[10:11:41] <zeeshan> i dont know what abbreviation
[10:11:43] <SpeedEvil> Not ebola, but everything less nasty
[10:11:54] <zeeshan> malcom2073: i bet you havent seen an industrial quality vmc
[10:11:59] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Your Mileage May Vary. It's a way of saying: Your experience does not make everyones experiences
[10:12:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah but there have been freaking shop classes for DECADES in schools I think it is more BS than actual problems
[10:12:09] <malcom2073> zeeshan: That's not an industrial quality vmc, it's a home cnc
[10:12:13] <t12> there are def clowny people that get in the shop
[10:12:18] <t12> and fuck things up or potentially hurt themselves
[10:12:25] <t12> i've had to back people off of doing some retarded stuff before
[10:12:38] <t12> but its also like.. how about have some control over it? dont let randoms in?
[10:12:41] <t12> maybe some rules
[10:12:47] <malcom2073> Maybe require them to take a class first
[10:12:50] <malcom2073> that's what a school near me does
[10:12:57] <SpeedEvil> t12: And if someone smart has a thinko and loses a hand?
[10:13:00] <zeeshan> keep buying tormach
[10:13:00] <malcom2073> you have to take one class for general safety, then a class for each machine
[10:13:01] <zeeshan> it makes me happy
[10:13:04] <zeeshan> more real machines for me!! :D
[10:13:09] <t12> there was a girl at yale i think
[10:13:09] <SpeedEvil> t12: Or do accidents never happen to competent people?
[10:13:11] <malcom2073> zeeshan: I can't afford tormach :P
[10:13:15] <t12> who got her ponytail wrapped around lathe spindle and killed
[10:13:16] <PetefromTn_> we unfortunately live in a ridiculously litigious society now much to our downfall
[10:13:19] <t12> promprting all of this i think
[10:13:35] <zeeshan> that was a long time ago t12
[10:13:39] <zeeshan> i taught enough people milling lab
[10:13:47] <zeeshan> and my other 2 colleagues did drill press and lathe
[10:13:48] <t12> the fear travels slowly in the university
[10:13:53] <zeeshan> we never even came close to 1 accident
[10:14:12] <zeeshan> the worst thing someone did was use the power knee motor to crash the tool into the vise
[10:14:22] <zeeshan> enough to remove 1/16 from the vise
[10:14:23] <t12> i guess its also like why is the machineshop for some reason inherently more dangerous
[10:14:25] <PetefromTn_> It's about responsible teaching and carefulness nothing more
[10:14:28] <t12> than all the other shady stuff in the building
[10:14:38] <zeeshan> i agree pete!
[10:14:43] <zeeshan> first thing during the 3 hours i had with them
[10:14:51] <zeeshan> i'd spend 5 minutes explaining the ways they could get hurt
[10:15:07] <malcom2073> In great detail I hope
[10:15:12] <zeeshan> and asked them what they thought was the most dangerous equipment
[10:15:15] <t12> the worst offense i saw is working alone in shop though
[10:15:15] <zeeshan> most of them said "bandsaw"
[10:15:18] <t12> which is a hard one to get around
[10:15:27] <t12> which i'm plenty guilty of
[10:15:35] <zeeshan> i told em "a band saw youll lose a finger or a hand or maybe an arm, but you'll live"
[10:15:40] <PetefromTn_> to kill classes that teach these IMPORTANT skills just because of a little bit of danger that can easily be worked around is just ludicrous
[10:15:48] <zeeshan> "with a lathe if you lose an arm , you got lucky. "
[10:16:00] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: IMO, that leads to move danger as people get out in the world
[10:16:09] <t12> speaking of which time to buy 4jaw
[10:16:10] <Wolf_Mill> drill press IMO, and a lathe, for danger level
[10:16:16] <furrywolf> I don't think my lathe can take off an arm. I can stall the motor with my paw. :)
[10:16:18] <furrywolf> (sherline)
[10:16:21] <zeeshan> haha
[10:16:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah but to be honest the bandsaw IS the most dangerous tool in the shop because more people are hurt by them than anything else
[10:16:36] <zeeshan> and i think people overlook the fact that
[10:16:41] <zeeshan> a horse power is literally a horse power.
[10:16:44] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7sRrC2Jpp4 - someone testing push-blocks for being safe when kickback
[10:16:52] <zeeshan> its a horse pulling a relatively large load
[10:16:55] <SpeedEvil> scary vid
[10:17:03] <SpeedEvil> _almost_ loses a hand.
[10:17:05] <malcom2073> They used to use horses to quarter people
[10:17:15] <SpeedEvil> Perhaps the most important thing to understand is the brain lies to you.
[10:17:16] <malcom2073> It doesn't take many :)
[10:17:19] <Wolf_Mill> push sticks and how to use them save lots of fingers...
[10:17:36] <Wolf_Mill> I still havent figured out how people cut fingers off in a table saw
[10:17:39] <SpeedEvil> It makes you think you're acting in real-time, when in reality, you're running 0.3-0.8s or so behind.
[10:17:57] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: People think they're smarter than the blade :)
[10:17:58] <PetefromTn_> Wolf_Mill Oh that's easy LOL
[10:17:58] <SpeedEvil> And it makes you think you can react fast enough to something grabbing.
[10:18:32] <SpeedEvil> Compute the peak power in a circular sawblade slowed to a stop in 1/4 rev. Insane.
[10:18:39] <PetefromTn_> I nearly cut off my right hand on a tablesaw once..... believe me they are deceptively dangerous
[10:18:49] <Wolf_Mill> only time I have had the table saw blade get me was changing blades
[10:18:58] <furrywolf> I don't know how people get their fingers in table saws either... keep them AWAY FROM THE BLADE. duh? now, my radial arm saw is more fun, because if you don't know what you're doing, the whole saw part launches itself straight towards you...
[10:19:08] <t12> some people def have
[10:19:12] <t12> touch the blade instinct
[10:19:13] <t12> for some reason
[10:19:18] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[10:19:20] <PetefromTn_> I worked for almost 20 years in a commercial custom cabinet shop environment... I have seen LOTS of accidents
[10:19:47] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf that is BY FAR the most scary machine to me anywhere LOL
[10:19:55] <PetefromTn_> personally I mean
[10:20:01] <furrywolf> the radial arm saw?
[10:20:12] <PetefromTn_> I worked in a shop that had a big commercial one
[10:20:25] <enleth> Oh, a table saw safety discussion, how sweet.
[10:20:33] <t12> how to be safe: dont work with wood
[10:20:34] <enleth> I had one live a moment ago.
[10:20:36] <PetefromTn_> and was crosscutting some 8/4 boards
[10:20:37] <Wolf_Mill> the old school over arm radial saws are fun
[10:20:52] <PetefromTn_> and they had some serious internal stresses
[10:20:54] <Wolf_Mill> fuck up and it throws the wood across the room
[10:20:59] <PetefromTn_> OH MAN
[10:21:00] <malcom2073> Hoyl hell that guy almost lost his hand
[10:21:08] <PetefromTn_> That is a REALLY FRACKIN" SCARY MACHINE
[10:21:20] <PetefromTn_> I mean that sincerely
[10:21:23] <malcom2073> His finger HAD to be within a quarter inch
[10:21:33] <SpeedEvil> malcom2073: yeah
[10:21:43] <PetefromTn_> I have run big powerful wood shapers with huge exposed cutters that made me less leery
[10:22:01] <t12> little lathe finally settling in
[10:22:09] <t12> now i gotta figure out where/when i give up on accuracy
[10:22:14] <zeeshan> i dont see what he did wrong? :P
[10:22:18] <PetefromTn_> especially that big commerial one with the HUGE blade...
[10:22:39] <PetefromTn_> incredible the inertia that blade holds even when you kill the power
[10:22:53] <malcom2073> Wow
[10:23:05] <t12> do those touch sensor blade brakes work
[10:23:14] <SpeedEvil> t12: yes
[10:23:25] <malcom2073> t12: Yep, you only lose one finger instead of all of them
[10:23:40] <PetefromTn_> they work incredibly well actually
[10:23:41] <SpeedEvil> If your hand is moving slowly, you get a graze.
[10:23:42] <furrywolf> they work unless you dare to cut slightly damp wood...
[10:23:43] <malcom2073> It also destroys the blade and the stop, so you have to buy a whole new one
[10:23:48] <malcom2073> There's a video
[10:23:51] <malcom2073> of a guy throwing a hotdog into one
[10:23:56] <t12> lol
[10:24:16] <PetefromTn_> it doesn't destroy the blade
[10:24:20] <t12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FquL0GG9RGI
[10:24:21] <t12> ?
[10:24:23] <malcom2073> Ah, the ones from a couple years ago does
[10:24:30] <malcom2073> It jammed a metal stop into the blade
[10:24:36] <furrywolf> the general opinion I've gathered from hearing people talk about them is nuisance trips are common and very expensive, so you end up disabling it, and there goes any safety advantage.
[10:24:40] <Wolf_Mill> newer saw stop system uses a alum block I think
[10:24:43] <malcom2073> Wow, they've gotten better
[10:25:19] <PetefromTn_> if that is true they are idiots
[10:25:24] <Wolf_Mill> wouldnt do me any good, I run alum on my table saw time to time
[10:25:34] <t12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiYoBbEZwlk&t=2m
[10:26:05] <furrywolf> you can disable it when cutting alum
[10:26:15] <furrywolf> you also have to disable it when cutting anything other than kiln dry wood...
[10:26:17] <t12> just get metal hands
[10:26:25] <furrywolf> or else you throw a hundred bucks (or more) out the window.
[10:26:26] <malcom2073> Or you know... a push block
[10:27:12] <t12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiYoBbEZwlk&t=4m30s prepare for stomach lurch
[10:27:34] <PetefromTn_> we had one of the big commercial sized ones in one of the shops I worked in. Cut all sorts of wood and never had any problems with it
[10:27:58] <t12> prolly shouldnt advertrise that as totally cool video demo on tv
[10:28:07] <PetefromTn_> luckily we never tested the finger part so never replaced the mechanism
[10:38:50] <Wolf_Mill> hmm, did amazon change their 2day shipping rules on prime stuff///
[10:39:34] <t12> ?
[10:39:51] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, the HAAS minimill SHOULD shame tormach... it's 34k
[10:40:06] <zeeshan> dont even compare the two :P
[10:40:28] <Wolf_Mill> damn item in my cart said free 2 day ship, go to check out and it wants $9 for shipping...
[10:40:28] <Tom_itx> i looked at a similar one at a trade show here once
[10:53:45] <Tom_itx> if it's direct drive, jamming a stop in the blade would also damage the motor
[10:54:54] <zeeshan> saw stop is a great in theory
[10:54:58] <zeeshan> -a
[10:55:01] <zeeshan> but not practical
[10:55:14] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx actually it is quite a bit more complex that it appears. Not only does the blade stop jam into the spinning blade but the whole mechanism drops out of the bottom removing the blade from sight
[10:55:28] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I could not disagree with that statement more I am sorry man
[10:55:47] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: ill tell you why i think the way i do
[10:55:50] <PetefromTn_> If I could afford one when I was building cabinets I would absolutely have one
[10:55:58] <zeeshan> i feel like it forces people to be careless
[10:56:05] <PetefromTn_> and to be honest it goes beyond the safety
[10:56:09] <zeeshan> so the people that woulda cut their finger off on the table saw
[10:56:12] <PetefromTn_> the saws are VERY well made
[10:56:22] <PetefromTn_> and have a lot of features that make them nicer saws to run than most
[10:56:24] <zeeshan> would cut their finger off on another device :P
[10:56:33] <PetefromTn_> probably
[10:56:46] <zeeshan> its like abs
[10:56:51] <PetefromTn_> but I think when you run saws all day every day for years
[10:56:51] <zeeshan> when abs came out, it was a great invention
[10:56:58] <PetefromTn_> you would probably feel differently
[10:57:14] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, i've seen em work
[10:57:15] <zeeshan> but the stats of crashes went back up after a decade cause people felt safer
[10:57:18] <zeeshan> so they drove faster
[10:57:39] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: yes i value your opinion more than mine :P
[10:57:40] <PetefromTn_> the funny thing tho is that I have had accidents with table saws several times in the many years of making cabinets
[10:57:46] <zeeshan> i havent done any wood working really
[10:57:47] <PetefromTn_> and I never came into contact with the blade
[10:58:12] <Tom_itx> my plans are to die with all 10 digits
[10:58:12] <PetefromTn_> what hurt me every time was the workpiece either hitting me or cutting me not the blade
[10:58:22] <PetefromTn_> heh that's everyone PLAN
[10:58:33] <zeeshan> F that
[10:58:37] <PetefromTn_> I have several friends I worked with that are missing digits
[10:58:38] <zeeshan> my plan is to die in a full out race car crash
[10:58:42] <zeeshan> easiest way out
[10:58:52] <zeeshan> ill prolly be in pieces
[10:59:00] <Tom_itx> don't care to burn to death personally
[10:59:05] <zeeshan> :P
[11:00:04] <zeeshan> i think the #1 key to be safe
[11:00:08] <zeeshan> is just have fear
[11:00:14] <zeeshan> when im trying new setups
[11:00:16] <zeeshan> im really far away
[11:00:21] <PetefromTn_> to be honest the shaper is probably the most dangerous machine in the woodshop due to the way it is used and the large pieces you often cut. But the majority of operations we did with them used powerful three or four wheel power feed units
[11:00:21] <zeeshan> and im expecting something bad to happen
[11:00:29] <Tom_itx> not fear.. caution
[11:00:47] <PetefromTn_> the number one key is to UNDERSTAND where the dangers are and what can happen and why
[11:00:51] <zeeshan> omg i gotta share this with you guys
[11:00:55] <Wolf_Mill> heh, amazon is buggy...
[11:00:56] <zeeshan> and i bet youve prolly noticed it too
[11:01:06] <zeeshan> i had a customer over yesterday night and i was finishin gup his part
[11:01:08] <zeeshan> asap i turned on the milkl
[11:01:12] <zeeshan> the guy took 3 steps back
[11:01:19] <zeeshan> and my face was right near the machine cause i was touching off
[11:01:21] <malcom2073> Man, watching Matthias Wandel makes me wanna do wood working
[11:01:23] <malcom2073> I need to stop that
[11:01:25] <PetefromTn_> I think most accidents happen when you are in a hurry or not concentrating on what you are doing
[11:01:26] <zeeshan> have you guys noticed that? :D
[11:01:27] <zeeshan> hahaha
[11:01:48] <Tom_itx> yeah, especially when engineering types visit the shop floor
[11:01:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have had customers in the shop do the same thing
[11:02:04] <zeeshan> so that means we're already too comfortable! :P
[11:02:06] <malcom2073> Always stand one step behind the machinest, never in front :P
[11:02:07] <PetefromTn_> as soon as the spindle comes on the step back a couple feet LOL
[11:02:25] <PetefromTn_> probably a good practice ;)
[11:02:28] <SpeedEvil> meatshields are the best guards.
[11:02:29] <zeeshan> haha
[11:02:33] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: rofl
[11:02:50] <Tom_itx> wait till a 6" shell mill hits the workpiece and watch em scatter
[11:02:53] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n7PICO3vyo TM1
[11:03:23] <PetefromTn_> we had a 6" mill on the VF6 at the last place I worked .... That is some serious cutting power LOL
[11:03:30] <Wolf_Mill> 4mm to 1/4npt push fittings from amazon $5.32 for 2 :)
[11:04:23] <Tom_itx> we didn't use it alot because it took so many inserts
[11:04:37] <PetefromTn_> I know right...
[11:04:47] <PetefromTn_> takes awhile to swap those babies out
[11:04:55] <Tom_itx> cost wise a smaller one is just as effective i think
[11:05:13] <PetefromTn_> true but its nice to make ONE pass sometimes
[11:05:34] <Wolf_Mill> now I just need to knock a pickup tube/2nd outlet in to this housing and I'll be set to run misting by monday night
[11:05:36] <PetefromTn_> I need to buy a better chamfer tool
[11:05:54] <Tom_itx> i can't prove it but i think you get less warpage with multiple smaller passes
[11:06:09] <Tom_itx> it may stress the metal more internally
[11:06:11] <PetefromTn_> warpage? whats that ;)
[11:07:54] <zeeshan> that tm1 is eating aluminum
[11:08:28] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: Nice mill
[11:08:37] <PetefromTn_> oh its not mine
[11:08:46] <malcom2073> I know
[11:08:47] <PetefromTn_> I was just showing what the guys have at that shop local to me
[11:08:51] <zeeshan> how dare you dis pete like that
[11:08:52] <zeeshan> :P
[11:08:55] <malcom2073> HAha
[11:08:55] <PetefromTn_> its a decent machine I think
[11:09:09] <PetefromTn_> I would not trade my CInci for it tho ;)
[11:09:15] <zeeshan> pete's machine could mill a hm1
[11:09:16] <zeeshan> tm1
[11:09:28] <PetefromTn_> meh its good for me
[11:09:49] <PetefromTn_> I could run a lot faster than that machine is in the video tho...
[11:09:51] <malcom2073> I'm debating if I want to do the flood coolant setup on my machine
[11:09:53] <malcom2073> it has provisions for it
[11:10:00] <PetefromTn_> what machine?
[11:10:06] <malcom2073> Clausing FV-1
[11:10:54] <PetefromTn_> If I had one of those nice knee mill CNC machines I would certainly build a nice big sheetmetal table enclosure for it
[11:11:17] <malcom2073> Yeah I plan on doing an enclosure either way
[11:11:27] <malcom2073> the table has drains for flood coolant, and a pump/basin inside
[11:11:35] <PetefromTn_> I am jealous of that damn cordless renishaw tho :D
[11:11:44] <PetefromTn_> yeah most knee mills do
[11:11:46] <malcom2073> Haha that does look awesome
[11:12:44] <Tom_itx> our okumas had wireless renishaw on em
[11:12:58] <Tom_itx> pretty nice
[11:13:01] <PetefromTn_> everything nowadays has it seems like
[11:20:43] <malcom2073> I jsut want a normal wired probe heh
[11:21:33] <Wolf_Mill> hey zeeshan, I'll let ya know how the relay control works out
[11:22:22] <Wolf_Mill> ordered a cheap 4 channel relay board that uses 5v logic and low signal to activate
[11:22:47] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wago-788-304-DIN-Mount-Relay-24VDC-16-Amp-Tyco-RT314024-/360948169328?ssPageName=ADME%3AL%3AOU%3ACA%3A1120&nma=true&si=real5KfMHYToDfz0zbFgggDaxu8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
[11:22:50] <zeeshan> i bought these a while ago
[11:22:52] <zeeshan> i wish i bought more
[11:23:46] <jdh> but more
[11:24:11] <Wolf_Mill> I think I have some of those in my shop in a bag somewhere
[11:24:21] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, SP or DP?
[11:24:23] <zeeshan> do you ?
[11:24:25] <zeeshan> will yous ell?!
[11:24:40] <Wolf_Mill> might not be the same thing...
[11:24:41] <zeeshan> i really love the led on them
[11:24:54] <zeeshan> SP
[11:24:59] <zeeshan> http://assets.suredone.com/1742/media-photos/49784-wago-788-304-din-mount-relay-24vdc-16-amp-tyco-rt314024-9.jpg
[11:25:23] <Tom_itx> 5v or 24v?
[11:25:28] <zeeshan> 24
[11:25:28] <Tom_itx> those would be handy
[11:25:33] <Tom_itx> :(
[11:26:46] <Tom_itx> good for industrial but not so much hobby
[11:27:23] <zeeshan> http://canada.newark.com/wago/788-304/din-mount-relay/dp/28K2303
[11:27:24] <zeeshan> found it
[11:27:26] <zeeshan> damn they're expensive
[11:28:00] <t12> din mount shit is way too expensive
[11:28:09] <Tom_itx> i agree
[11:28:10] <zeeshan> makes life so much easier though
[11:28:11] <t12> now i just try and pick up like $2 rails of it at the scrapyard and stash it
[11:28:22] <t12> metal scrapyard is great for electronics, because they're free
[11:28:23] <Tom_itx> the rails are cheap
[11:28:26] <t12> effectively
[11:28:30] <t12> i mean loaded rails
[11:28:38] <Tom_itx> yeah good idea
[11:28:48] <t12> metal recyclers dont wanna deal with it
[11:28:58] <t12> they're recycling the thing its mounted to they just rip it off and trash it
[11:30:15] <malcom2073> I need to find a friendly scrapyard
[11:30:21] <malcom2073> none of the ones around here allow picking, only dropping stuff off
[11:30:42] <t12> the one i go to is like a transfer
[11:30:49] <t12> they buy insulated wire, cut the insulation off, resell
[11:31:11] <t12> fix some of their busted equipment and they are happy!
[11:31:36] <malcom2073> Nice
[11:45:07] <zeeshan> anyone whos done wood working
[11:45:11] <zeeshan> need an opinion
[11:45:28] <zeeshan> i pilot drill a 1/4" hole 3.25" deep
[11:45:41] <zeeshan> then i jump to a 13/16 drill bit and drill 3" deep
[11:45:56] <zeeshan> problem is i have a bit of chip out at the entry of the hole
[11:46:06] <zeeshan> im using metal cutting drill bits
[11:46:17] <Tom_itx> fostner bits
[11:46:37] <zeeshan> i was thinking of regrinding it to a 140 degree angle
[11:47:08] <zeeshan> er
[11:47:11] <zeeshan> i mean 90 degrees
[11:47:12] <zeeshan> not 140 deg
[11:48:03] <zeeshan> or im thinking since in the prior op
[11:48:06] <zeeshan> i use a 1/8" drill bit
[11:48:22] <zeeshan> i was thinking of just pocketing about 3/8 deep (13/16 diameter)
[11:48:26] <zeeshan> but that adds time.
[11:48:51] <zeeshan> ill look into a fostener bit
[11:49:35] <zeeshan> hmmm
[11:49:38] <zeeshan> if i use a fostner bit
[11:49:44] <zeeshan> i won';t have to do one more tool change
[11:49:52] <zeeshan> cause i do drilling with 13/16 drill bitr (118 degree
[11:50:00] <zeeshan> and then tool change and use a flat bottom drill
[11:50:19] <Tom_itx> http://www.ptreeusa.com/forstner_bit_sets.htm
[11:50:22] <Tom_itx> 6 bux
[11:50:34] <Tom_itx> http://www.rockler.com/forstner-bit-extender
[11:50:41] <Tom_itx> another 6 if you need it
[11:50:53] <zeeshan> not worried about the cost to be honest
[11:50:56] <zeeshan> just trying to make life easier
[11:51:13] <zeeshan> and damn it it's forstener
[11:51:15] <zeeshan> not fostener :P
[11:51:19] <Tom_itx> those cut a nice edge on the hole
[11:51:21] <zeeshan> forstner
[11:51:28] <zeeshan> yes but what about chip out
[11:51:51] <Tom_itx> you gotta pre drill the hole?
[11:51:54] <SpeedEvil> cut drom both sides
[11:52:40] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: get a countersink
[11:52:54] <SpeedEvil> oh
[11:52:57] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/QS3HXem.png
[11:53:02] <zeeshan> the big bore
[11:53:04] <SpeedEvil> maybe not from 1/4 all the way to that
[11:53:07] <Tom_itx> drill it with an EM
[11:53:11] <zeeshan> no
[11:53:19] <Tom_itx> 4 flute
[11:53:23] <zeeshan> my current ops go:
[11:53:52] <zeeshan> facing 1-1/2 end mill, center drill, 1/4 drill, 13/16 drill, 13/16 flat bottom, 1/8 end mill
[11:54:03] <zeeshan> i wanna eliminate center drill
[11:54:11] <zeeshan> and replace 13/16 with 1 tool
[11:54:14] <Tom_itx> this has turned into zeeshan's weekend woodworking project now :)
[11:54:32] <zeeshan> nahh
[11:54:33] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: basically make a lip-spur bit.
[11:54:35] <zeeshan> just optimizing my tool paths
[11:55:36] <Tom_itx> you could eliminate 3 of those with a forstner bit
[11:55:44] <zeeshan> no
[11:55:46] <zeeshan> i need to do 1/4
[11:55:49] <zeeshan> see the geometry..
[11:55:54] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: no, you don't
[11:56:05] <SpeedEvil> If you make the forstner bit have a 1/4" nose
[11:56:06] <zeeshan> the 1/4 breaks through
[11:56:15] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: find me a tool like that
[11:56:15] <zeeshan> lol
[11:56:19] <zeeshan> im not building a tool
[11:56:34] <Tom_itx> they make bits like that for recessed cap screws
[11:56:35] <Tom_itx> silly
[11:56:53] <Tom_itx> find one of those the right size
[11:57:19] <zeeshan> they dont go deep enough
[11:57:50] <zeeshan> guy for my lathei s here
[11:57:51] <zeeshan> brb
[11:57:53] <zeeshan> bbl
[11:57:54] <Tom_itx> the one i have was ground from a drill bit
[11:58:54] <Tom_itx> any bets he'll need his lathe this afternoon?
[11:59:20] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:06:05] <PetefromTn_> you really do not need to predrill with a good forstner bit
[12:06:34] <PetefromTn_> but 3 1/4 inch deep you may not find a bit that deep
[12:07:09] <Tom_itx> that's why i linked the extension
[12:07:18] <PetefromTn_> oh sorry did not see it
[12:07:20] <SpeedEvil> bar, hole, loctite
[12:07:32] <Tom_itx> or make your own extension
[12:07:39] <Tom_itx> i do quite frequently
[12:07:44] <Wolf_Mill> easy to do on the lathe
[12:07:48] <Wolf_Mill> :D
[12:07:51] <Tom_itx> hah!
[12:14:44] <roycroft> i've drilled holes at pretty steep angles with forstner bits, and no pre-drilling or piloting is ever needed
[12:30:05] <Jymmm> roycroft: Into what, silly putty? If it wasn't at 90 degree, lots of deflection =)
[12:31:39] <Tom_itx> nonsense
[12:35:52] <Jymmm> What is a "jet" pump? I see mention of "shallow well" pumps, then of jet. Is that the same as water pressure pump?
[12:36:41] <enleth> geez, I hate the imperial threads in the bridgeport
[12:38:02] <Deejay> I hate imperial threads whereever they are ;)
[12:38:04] <enleth> I lost two threaded rods that attached the control box to the column and I have jack shit for a replacement, they're 5/16 or something and can't really be rethreaded for anything metric
[12:38:16] <enleth> I mean, the holes in the column
[12:38:43] <Jymmm> Well, get a metric mill then. Problem solved =)
[12:38:44] <enleth> too big for M8, too small for proper M10 and I don't want to drill it
[12:39:34] <archivist> UNF or UNC threads
[12:40:00] <enleth> I'm actually contemplating putting polymer wall anchros in there, with double-ended rods
[12:40:03] <archivist> which are the same as most of the american thread series
[12:40:21] <enleth> the ones where one side is a wood screw and the other has a machine thread
[12:40:59] <archivist> I would do it properly with the right thread, easy to get in the uk
[12:41:12] <enleth> archivist: the thing is, I want this done today and even on a proper weekday in the morning it's quite hard to get anything imperial where I live
[12:41:14] <Jymmm> What I hate of pipe/plumbing threads. There has to be at least 20 different type of threads, it's pathetic!
[12:41:16] <archivist> easy enough for me to make too :)
[12:41:38] <archivist> cnc lathe make any thread
[12:41:59] <archivist> never rush a job
[12:42:20] <enleth> archivist: it wasn't trivial to buy imperial allen keys, let alone taps or dies
[12:43:41] <SpeedEvil> enleth: http://imgur.com/gallery/nnY8fv2
[12:43:46] <archivist> you can use single point 60 degree tooling to make the threads
[12:45:15] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Lasers in space... AWESOME!!!
[12:45:27] <enleth> SpeedEvil: yeah yeah I know, Soviets and Nazis used metric
[12:45:52] <enleth> archivist: no thread-making lathe over here, I'd do that if I could
[12:46:12] <archivist> must be one nearby
[12:46:29] <enleth> Not on a saturday evening
[12:46:31] <roycroft> move on to another project for the weekend and wait until you can get the correct part
[12:47:25] <enleth> OK, those rods are not really carrying any weight on their own, they just keep the distance between the bottom of the control box and the column fixed, so I can omit them for now
[12:49:53] <enleth> roycroft: it's a quite literal blocker for another project in the queue
[12:50:18] <malcom2073> Woot, have a PC in my garage with internet!
[12:50:25] <enleth> roycroft: like, a 1.5 ton blocker that needs to move to make more room, but I can't push it back towards the wall before mounting the control box
[12:52:08] <Jymmm> Nice read re: "Jet Pumps"... http://www.flotecpump.com/residentialpage_resource_faq_jetpump.aspx
[12:59:43] * Loetmichel2 just paid for the third used laptop i got at ebay this week... that starts to have signs of an addiction ;-)
[13:03:24] <PetefromTn_> Oh so your Bridgeport has the PROPER threads you mean ;)
[13:15:41] <roycroft> that's unfortunate, enleth, but it is still prudent to do things correctly
[13:18:10] <roycroft> and i have been in the same situation many times
[13:18:26] <roycroft> i would still wait to do it right
[13:18:28] <Wolf_Mill> other way around here..
[13:19:00] <Wolf_Mill> machine is all metric, have mostly imperial stuff laying around
[13:19:01] <roycroft> i might suggest moving it back to the wall and then moving it back out when you get the correct part
[13:19:21] <roycroft> knowing that the moving may be difficult
[13:19:36] <roycroft> that's still better than a butcher job/kludge imo
[13:27:19] <PetefromTn_> I like a good butcher/kludge whenever I can ')
[13:27:23] <PetefromTn_> :D
[13:37:15] <PetefromTn_> jeez gotta put rotors and pads on my wife's SUV now SIGH
[13:37:41] <Tom_itx> rotors shot?
[13:37:44] <Tom_itx> turn em
[13:38:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think so.... they were just $35 each so just swappin em
[13:38:14] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Tell her not to press both petals at the time time ;)
[13:38:26] <Jymmm> pedals*
[13:38:31] <PetefromTn_> is that what the problem is ?
[13:38:32] <Tom_itx> same
[13:38:35] <Jymmm> poodles
[13:38:52] * Tom_itx gives Jymmm an irc speel cheker
[13:38:56] <PetefromTn_> I knew it had to be something like that
[13:39:05] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I speak typo =)
[13:39:16] <Tom_itx> you type tyo
[13:39:56] <Jymmm> that too
[13:40:17] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, it could be worse... it could be a fried clutch from riding it
[13:40:27] <PetefromTn_> no clutch man
[13:40:55] <Tom_itx> yeah we mericans are spoiled that way
[13:41:10] <PetefromTn_> its A-mericans man
[13:45:21] <Tom_itx> i should do that to my 08
[13:45:37] <PetefromTn_> what?
[13:45:44] <Tom_itx> glazed them over goin thru the mountains and they've never been the same
[13:45:55] <Tom_itx> change the pads etc
[13:46:23] <Tom_itx> doesn't bother me but she doesn't like it
[13:46:47] <PetefromTn_> well my son came over hes home from the Navy this last two weeks and we did his G35 now we are gonna do the wife's and maybe my Astro
[13:48:24] <PetefromTn_> after I eat my ground beef and black bean/mexican cheese and sour cream dip ;)
[13:48:40] <Jymmm> what, no salsa?
[13:48:56] <PetefromTn_> naah I am not a big salsa guy
[13:49:09] <PetefromTn_> I hate pico de gallo too
[13:49:17] <Jymmm> hot sauce?
[13:49:22] <PetefromTn_> yep
[13:49:26] <PetefromTn_> got some of that
[13:49:29] <Jymmm> Ok
[13:49:33] <PetefromTn_> whew
[13:49:48] <Jymmm> Yeah, I dont care for raw tomaties, too acidic
[13:49:57] <PetefromTn_> my wife makes this really delicious soup
[13:50:21] <PetefromTn_> she buys the SEASONED Bush's black bean cans
[13:50:27] <PetefromTn_> and there is a recipe on them
[13:50:35] <PetefromTn_> you need two cans
[13:50:39] <Jymmm> I like the whiskey one
[13:50:41] <PetefromTn_> and some ground beef
[13:50:52] <PetefromTn_> no it just says seasoned black beans
[13:51:11] <Jymmm> I dont care for black beans, too "earthy"
[13:51:18] <PetefromTn_> but she puts one can in the blender and the other is just out of the can and some ground beef and whatever else they call for
[13:51:23] <Jymmm> ah
[13:51:27] <PetefromTn_> and then you mix it all up
[13:51:33] <PetefromTn_> it is REALLY good
[13:51:39] <Jymmm> =)
[13:51:50] <PetefromTn_> we eat it an awful lot around here and it is a quick easy dinner
[13:52:06] <PetefromTn_> but if you make it thicker
[13:52:18] <PetefromTn_> it is like a perfect dip with some cheese and sour cream
[13:52:25] <Jymmm> ah
[13:52:27] <PetefromTn_> and ground beef of course
[13:52:56] <Jymmm> You should try "creama fresca".. Mexican table cream
[13:53:16] <PetefromTn_> is that like queso cheese?
[13:53:32] <Jymmm> No, but same section of the grocery store.
[13:54:00] <PetefromTn_> my wife is saying it's just sour cream?
[13:54:07] <Jymmm> http://images.mexgrocer.com/42743-12316.jpg
[13:54:20] <Jymmm> Well, sorta, but it's much thinner
[13:54:43] <Jymmm> Not necessarily watery, but a pourable consistancy
[13:54:49] <PetefromTn_> huh never had it
[13:54:55] <PetefromTn_> might give it a shot
[13:55:04] <PetefromTn_> is it just for pouring over stuff like this?
[13:55:13] <Jymmm> Good flavor, easy to just pour or spoon on food
[13:55:23] <PetefromTn_> what is the flavor?
[13:55:28] <Jymmm> It goes REALLY well with hot sauce =)
[13:55:52] <PetefromTn_> ok nice
[13:55:57] <PetefromTn_> will give it a shot
[13:56:01] <Jymmm> Think like a "fresh sour cream" flavor, not necessairly rich
[13:56:01] <PetefromTn_> next time we shop
[13:56:32] <Jymmm> sour cream is pretty rich, this is more of a fresh flavor if you will
[13:56:49] <PetefromTn_> I like sour cream
[13:56:54] <PetefromTn_> so might like it too
[13:56:56] <Jymmm> I do too
[13:57:14] <Jymmm> You can use it in place of sour cream as well
[13:57:56] <roycroft> crème fraîche is kind of like sour cream but there's no way to mistake the two either in form or flavor
[14:00:09] * roycroft wishes square knockout punches weren't so bloody expensive
[14:00:38] <roycroft> and i'm not saying they're overpriced
[14:01:50] <Sync> gaaaah, why are brake pressure sensors so expensive
[14:03:41] <renesis> because automotive sensor
[14:07:21] <renesis> oh this isnt #cars, maybe you mean something else thats even more expensive
[14:11:33] <Jymmm> roycroft: make a square punch instead?
[14:14:48] <roycroft> it would cost more to do that than to purchase one
[14:14:56] <Jymmm> ah
[14:15:12] <roycroft> i need to make some 1/16 din knockouts for control panels
[14:15:51] <roycroft> by the time i designed, machined, hardened, and ground the parts of a punch it would cost way more than to just buy one
[14:16:05] <roycroft> especially since i don't have a surface grinder
[14:16:22] <roycroft> that adds several thousand dollars to the cost of the punch right there :)
[14:16:43] <roycroft> and the punches are <$300
[14:17:18] <Jymmm> Hmm, the power pole is 24" from the wall on/in a concrete pad, but I want to run pvc conduit along the face of the wall to the garage 70 cable ft away. Do I NEED/HAVE to use flex conduit from the pole to the wall?
[14:17:22] <roycroft> for now i'll probably mill the openings and hand file the corners square
[14:18:13] <Jymmm> roycroft: Or it's justification to get a surface grinder =)
[14:18:22] <roycroft> which i would like, actually
[14:18:30] <roycroft> but then i would need to build an extension for my shop
[14:18:31] <Jymmm> See, there ya go =)
[14:18:37] <roycroft> as there is less than no room for another piece of machinery
[14:18:45] <roycroft> so add another $10k or so
[14:18:52] <Jymmm> roycroft: See, justification for the expantion as well =)
[14:19:37] * roycroft is feeling better about milling the openings and grumbling a bit than the other options
[14:21:33] <Jymmm> lol
[14:26:33] <Sync> haha, it is cheaper to buy full brake master cylinders with sensors than to buy them individually
[14:30:16] <roycroft> or there is the other option
[14:30:45] <roycroft> buy an enclosure with a pre-punched 1/16 din opening in the front panel
[14:34:20] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: you can run wire outside of conduit if it's overhead and with the proper wire
[14:34:53] <CaptHindsight> there is a minimum height requirement and min distance to doors and windows
[14:39:17] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: http://www.makyleelectric.com/safety/123112.pdf
[14:40:58] <CaptHindsight> http://ecmweb.com/code-basics/article-225-outside-branch-circuits
[14:53:58] <CaptHindsight> https://www.mikeholt.com/instructor2/img/product/pdf/1259687476sample.pdf good guide for general power wiring
[15:13:35] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I'll post some photos later of what I'm talking about. Bascially I don't want to dig a 70 foot, 18" deep trench
[15:15:37] <Sync> pfft
[15:15:50] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: you can also run it 6" under the surface in metal conduit
[15:16:47] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I have the roots of 100ft trees to deal with, I'd rather not dig at all if I can get away with it.
[15:16:57] <pcw_home> Didnt know this was being worked on:
[15:16:59] <pcw_home> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyhfctYqjc8
[15:17:02] <CaptHindsight> oh fun
[15:19:21] <CaptHindsight> KVM (for Kernel-based Virtual Machine) was chosen well after KVM was a well known abbreviation for "keyboard, video and mouse"
[15:19:56] <CaptHindsight> at least they didn't call it PCI
[15:20:03] <CaptHindsight> or USB
[15:29:11] <roycroft> with the advent of the kvm, the kvm is obsolete
[15:30:49] <pcw_home> 100 usec now, not bad
[15:45:15] <renesis> kvm wasnt really a thing, kvm switch was, so its not really completely stolen
[15:46:03] <renesis> like if you had a pc but no peripherals, and said YO I NEED TO GET KVM FOR THIS people would be confused
[16:03:50] <ganzuul> Is making your own taps allowed?
[16:04:04] <ganzuul> It doesn't seem too difficult.
[16:11:28] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J_Xrkrs1Xc
[16:17:37] <SpeedEvil> the thread-form would be a bit fucked up
[16:26:10] <ganzuul> I figure take some HSS rod, thread it, cut grooves, and tap by hand
[16:26:48] <Sync> have fun threading HSS
[16:27:07] <ganzuul> :o
[16:27:30] <PetefromTn_> GOD I AM AN IDIOT!!!!
[16:28:05] <tiwake> I KNOW
[16:28:09] <tiwake> I mean...
[16:28:13] <ganzuul> What's wrong with threading HSS?
[16:28:15] <tiwake> hi :3
[16:28:28] <Sync> try machining HSS, you'll see
[16:29:19] <PetefromTn_> I just tore apart my wifes SUV brakes and since it is 4x4 you get to repack the bearings along the way
[16:29:44] <tiwake> bearings in the brakes?
[16:29:46] <PetefromTn_> so I got brand new rotors, pads, etc. etc. and I got it all tore down, cleaned up, repacked, whatever
[16:30:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah bearings in the hubs
[16:30:17] <tiwake> why would you need to take that off to get to the brakes?
[16:30:21] <PetefromTn_> then I put it all together nice and shiny
[16:30:27] <tiwake> that sounds awful
[16:30:28] <PetefromTn_> you almost always have to
[16:30:41] <PetefromTn_> I have owned lots of 4x4s and it is typical
[16:30:52] <tiwake> oh right, not a car
[16:30:53] <ganzuul> Sync: I plan on making lathe tool bits by putting HSS sock in my milling attachement and a TiAlN carbide end mill in the lathe spindle.
[16:31:14] <PetefromTn_> then I go to take the rear apart and that goes a bit easier since you don't have to do the bearings on that end
[16:31:29] <PetefromTn_> then I got it all put back together nice and shiny like and popped the wheels on
[16:31:37] <PetefromTn_> dropped it off the jack stands
[16:31:53] <PetefromTn_> and we are cleaning everything up ready to take a nice shower
[16:31:59] <PetefromTn_> then I grab the old rotors
[16:32:10] <PetefromTn_> and flip one over to pop it in the box
[16:32:14] <PetefromTn_> to get rid of it
[16:32:50] <PetefromTn_> when I notice that I FORGOT TO PUT THE DAMN ABS BRAKE SENSOR WHEEL ON THE NEW ROTORS IT IS STILL SCREWED TO THE OLD ROTORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:33:14] <tiwake> s/!//
[16:33:19] <PetefromTn_> SO NOW I Get to take the whole damn front end of the truck all back apart and do it all again!!!!
[16:33:23] <ganzuul> Classic mistake.
[16:33:24] <PetefromTn_> What an aZZHole
[16:33:50] <ganzuul> And not just operator error. Should be designed differently.
[16:33:59] <PetefromTn_> I am so pissed off at myself for not noticing that I am gonna have to sit down and have a soda before I go back and do it all again...
[16:34:12] <PetefromTn_> no its pretty much operator error here.
[16:34:29] <PetefromTn_> just a dumbass that is not being careful with what he is doing.....
[16:34:34] <Sync> wut
[16:34:44] <PetefromTn_> so because he is an AZZHOLE he gets to do it ALL over again
[16:35:00] <tiwake> have a couple shots of vodka before you do XD
[16:35:06] <Sync> I have never seen the triggerwheel on the brake disc
[16:35:08] <PetefromTn_> Oh thats a grand idea
[16:35:11] <fenn> ganzuul taps don't need to run red hot so HSS is kinda pointless...
[16:35:32] <ganzuul> O-1 then?
[16:35:33] <PetefromTn_> well its on the back of the brake disk on this truck
[16:35:34] <fenn> i'd use O1 or A1 drill rod
[16:35:44] <ganzuul> mmh
[16:35:52] <ganzuul> O-1 it is! \o/
[16:36:29] <ganzuul> Just need to find a decent supplier... Onlinemetals.com doesn't deliver to Finland.
[16:36:41] <fenn> good luck
[16:37:10] <fenn> also why are you making taps?
[16:37:48] <ganzuul> Cheapskate. Also, want to learn everything. Also, want to know how to make custom/better tools than commercial ones.
[16:40:08] <ganzuul> I have not actually found even a single local supllier who has half-way reasonable pricing.
[16:40:23] <Deejay> gn8
[16:40:24] <fenn> there is a lot of black magic that goes into a high end commercial tap, but maybe you can make them cheaper than available locally
[16:41:18] <fenn> i've done it for ACME threads, if you can call grinding a taper and grooves into a piece of threaded rod a tap...
[16:42:26] <ganzuul> I'd make the threads first, then turn the end to a taper...
[16:42:51] <SpeedEvil> Well - for large holes, and if you can interpolate your way round the edge - it's not hard to get _way_ cheaper.
[16:43:11] <SpeedEvil> At least as long as you don't want many holes.
[16:43:28] <Sync> or you just buy a thread mill
[16:43:52] <ganzuul> I was thinking I'll eventually need a threaded-hole CNC subroutine.
[16:44:28] <fenn> metric threads tend to have more reasonable pitches than inch bolts
[16:44:42] <fenn> like 0.5 1.0 1.25
[16:44:58] <fenn> not 13, 16, 18,
[16:45:17] <fenn> point being you can get away with a limited number of metric threadmills
[16:46:36] <ganzuul> I figure I'd have small, medium and big.
[16:46:50] <XXCoder> imperial units sucks all over
[16:47:43] <ganzuul> 8mm is maybe medium for a 7x16 lathe...
[16:48:59] <Wolf_Mill> TPI isnt equal to pitch...
[16:49:38] <Wolf_Mill> 16 tpi is 1.588mm pitch
[16:54:36] <Wolf_Mill> reading fail... lol what I get for jumping on and not really reading back
[17:00:07] <Wolf_Mill> either metric or imperial threads are goign to need a handfull of mills to get the job done...
[17:01:08] <ganzuul> O wait those prices are for sets of 3, not individual taps.
[17:01:21] <ganzuul> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Cutting-Tools/Taps/Serial-Taps---Metric-BSW-BSF
[17:01:48] <ganzuul> That kinda changes the equation.
[17:03:00] <Wolf_Mill> you should see the price tag on the two tap/die sets sitting behind me
[17:03:10] <Wolf_Mill> I think it was over $400
[17:05:07] <Wolf_Mill> ... now this is a cheap ass indicator holder, bottom of it looks like it was finished free hand with a belt sander
[17:06:50] <Sync> even if it was for one the price would be reasonable ganzuul
[17:07:09] * ganzuul wonders if overpricing doesn't imply poor craftmanship
[17:07:20] <Wolf_Mill> oh, might make some diffrence, my tap/die set is 6mm-24mm fine/corse
[17:08:00] <ganzuul> Sync: Those prices are, yes. None of the local suppliers come even close.
[17:09:07] <Sync> thats what you get for not being a business
[17:09:23] <Sync> subtract 30-70% from that
[17:10:06] <ganzuul> :(
[17:11:04] <Wolf_Mill> dammit
[17:11:38] <Wolf_Mill> went to hardware store, got everything else except the pressure reg that I went there to get
[17:11:47] <ganzuul> lol
[17:32:32] <furrywolf> moderately successful yard sale day... went shopping for someone else too. got him a fridge, microwave, camp stove, and a wok. got me a brand new 24ft werner extension ladder, a wagner airless sprayer (the kind you sit next to a 5gal bucket), a pile of misc car audio stuff, and some hand tools.
[17:32:49] <XXCoder> nice
[17:32:54] <XXCoder> sometimes yard sales rock
[17:34:44] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:45:08] <furrywolf> there's signs all over town for some kind of "pride festival" today... I'm afraid I really don't see the point. lol
[17:45:32] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I want a sloth festival
[17:45:59] <furrywolf> what would one even do at a "pride festival"? lol
[17:46:58] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I'm guessing much like a sloth festival - lot of lion around.
[17:48:00] <furrywolf> ...
[17:49:01] <furrywolf> unless it's all an excuse to meet like-minded women... lol
[17:53:02] * furrywolf probably should go for that reason, but otherwise the event seems pretty pointless, so doesn't go
[17:53:33] <XXCoder> https://vimeo.com/138790270 interesting
[18:02:38] <fenn> found a turbomolecular pump at a yard sale today
[18:03:39] <fenn> seiko seiki STP-301H
[18:03:42] <XXCoder> whats touromoleclar
[18:03:52] <XXCoder> geez nice typing job there, self
[18:03:59] <XXCoder> turbomolecular
[18:04:01] <fenn> a super duper expensive bit of kit for science experiments
[18:04:39] <Tom_itx> i figured if i didn't know, i didn't need
[18:04:56] <XXCoder> you know dihyrogen-monoxide?
[18:05:09] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[18:05:14] <XXCoder> good. lol
[18:05:46] <fenn> 50,000 rpm and 6 inches in diameter
[18:06:16] <Tom_itx> that should stir something up good
[18:07:04] <pcw_home> bangs those molecules around pretty well
[18:07:11] <XXCoder> "A turbomolecular pump is a type of vacuum pump, superficially similar to a turbopump, used to obtain and maintain high vacuum.[1][2] These pumps work on the principle that gas molecules can be given momentum in a desired direction by repeated collision with a moving solid surface."
[18:07:44] <furrywolf> PCW: how's 7i76es coming along?
[18:07:58] <furrywolf> web page still says out of stock. :(
[18:13:05] <pcw_home> being built now but our assy house is a bit overloaded
[18:13:27] <pcw_home> damn Daisy got another power cord
[18:13:38] <furrywolf> ?
[18:13:46] <Tom_itx> goat?
[18:13:52] <pcw_home> bun
[18:14:45] <Tom_itx> one day one will get her
[18:15:26] <furrywolf> ... huh?
[18:16:03] <pcw_home> Weve had a minor explosion a few times but no harm other than temporary black teeth
[18:16:28] <XXCoder> I'd go for tungesin. http://makezine.com/2015/09/11/carbon-fiber-filament-ruins-nozzles/
[18:16:42] <XXCoder> it'd be hard to make though. so hard.
[18:17:37] <XXCoder> yet another bb-8 project http://makezine.com/2015/09/10/yet-another-cool-bb-8-droid-project/
[18:18:31] * furrywolf has no idea what bb8 is or why people care
[18:21:01] <furrywolf> it's apparantly some robot from some not-yet-released star wars movie. and people are obsessing over it.
[18:21:17] <XXCoder> its due to unusual design. some engineers felt challenged
[18:21:19] <furrywolf> star wars fans are weird.
[18:21:27] <XXCoder> no shit
[18:22:45] <furrywolf> doesn't look very challening to me. lol
[18:23:08] <XXCoder> I dont do engineering so I wouldnt know.
[18:23:32] * furrywolf does a little bit of everything
[18:23:43] <furrywolf> specialization is for insects. :)
[18:24:01] <furrywolf> (and, apparantly, those who want to be profitably employed)
[18:24:05] <XXCoder> jack of all trades, master of none. rhats what I heard lol
[18:24:58] <furrywolf> bbl, going to go drop the paint sprayer off with someone who needs it.
[18:26:09] <Tom_itx> get a deposit on it
[18:26:26] <XXCoder> yeah people always want money back
[18:34:32] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/QP1A9Rq.jpg
[18:34:36] <zeeshan> he just sent me the final pic
[18:34:37] <zeeshan> with it working
[18:34:38] <zeeshan> haha
[18:34:41] <zeeshan> looks sweeeeeeeeeeeet
[18:34:47] <zeeshan> i didnt get time to engrave the plate though
[18:34:59] <Wolf_Mill> cool
[18:35:24] <zeeshan> i wonder if i can outsource engraving
[18:35:33] <zeeshan> i remember when i was a kid
[18:35:44] <zeeshan> i got my name engraved in glass
[18:35:47] <zeeshan> for like $8
[18:39:01] <XXCoder> thats one of my plans with router
[18:39:04] <XXCoder> engrave glass
[18:39:12] <zeeshan> nice
[18:39:15] <zeeshan> what speed is your spindle
[18:39:29] <XXCoder> 27000 rpm
[18:39:33] <XXCoder> no more no less
[18:39:37] <zeeshan> nice
[18:39:46] <zeeshan> perfect for engraving
[18:39:53] <XXCoder> indeed
[18:39:58] <Sync> get a deckel g1
[18:40:06] <XXCoder> I cant get my off my ass though :(
[18:40:29] <zeeshan> shuddap
[18:40:32] <zeeshan> less irc
[18:40:33] <zeeshan> more work
[18:40:36] <Sync> ^
[18:41:19] <XXCoder> zeeshan: something wrong with me unfortunately
[18:41:20] <Tom_itx> gonna finish up on my pendant code tonight and maybe get the mill back in it's enclosure
[18:41:31] <XXCoder> been having that issue on and off across most my life
[18:48:02] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, what's the window for?
[18:48:30] <zeeshan> screen
[18:48:33] <zeeshan> theres some vfd there
[18:48:35] <XXCoder> I plan to buy a pendant but not too sure which lol
[18:48:36] <zeeshan> er sorry
[18:48:37] <Tom_itx> lcd?
[18:48:37] <zeeshan> oled screen
[18:48:40] <Tom_itx> ahh
[18:48:43] <Tom_itx> wondered..
[18:48:45] <zeeshan> it tells you like amps
[18:48:47] <zeeshan> and stuff liket hat
[18:48:47] <XXCoder> because keyboard interface sucks hard
[18:48:49] <zeeshan> i dont know anything
[18:48:58] * XXCoder is spoiled by big machines at work.
[18:48:59] <Tom_itx> mmm those are tricky to get working
[18:50:14] <XXCoder> the pendant?
[18:51:10] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant/pendant2.jpg
[18:51:13] <Tom_itx> yes the pendant
[18:51:50] <XXCoder> whats line below .0001 for?
[18:51:56] <XXCoder> "off"?
[18:52:18] <Tom_itx> it's xtra :)
[18:52:30] <XXCoder> ahh lol
[18:52:31] <Tom_itx> we could call it off
[18:52:42] <Tom_itx> but it defaults to .0001
[18:53:24] <XXCoder> .0001 tyically is suffecent
[18:53:30] <XXCoder> its almost not moving anyway
[18:54:18] <Tom_itx> good for jogging tools
[18:54:22] <Tom_itx> to 'close'
[18:54:34] <XXCoder> thogh do anyone even need .00001?
[18:54:49] <XXCoder> heard lego uses 10^-7 resolution for molds
[18:54:54] <Tom_itx> not me
[18:56:15] <moorbo> lhc stuff is made to unfathomable tolerances
[18:56:36] <XXCoder> example? dunno what lhc is
[18:56:37] <moorbo> but do yo mean 0.00001 inches?
[18:56:44] <moorbo> large hadron collider
[18:56:48] <XXCoder> ahh
[18:56:57] <XXCoder> inch yeah sorry
[18:57:03] <XXCoder> usually use units but forgot
[18:57:35] <enleth> Tom_itx: is it comfortable to use with that rotary axis selector?
[18:58:13] <Tom_itx> i think it's fine
[18:58:33] <Tom_itx> it's what i could come up with on the cheap
[18:58:50] <Tom_itx> digikey rotary switches
[18:59:28] <enleth> Tom_itx: the estop button could be a bit bigger though...
[18:59:36] <Tom_itx> yeah i know
[18:59:45] <Tom_itx> i had another design but didn't like it
[18:59:58] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant7.jpg
[19:00:26] <XXCoder> I dont think I will make one, just buy one
[19:00:30] <Tom_itx> it's on a sherline and i'm sitting right by it when it's running
[19:00:33] <XXCoder> I know it means more money
[19:00:58] <enleth> Tom_itx: take a look at pendants used with industrial 6R robots
[19:02:26] <enleth> Tom_itx: they are made to be used by an operator who is within the working area of the robot and 6R robots have a huge working area and such a great fredom of movement that a misbehaving one is extremely hard to predict
[19:03:11] <Tom_itx> a large swinging arm is a bit different than a sherline in a box
[19:04:02] <Wolf_Mill> bet the sherline could do some damage (if you throw it at someone)
[19:04:11] <enleth> Tom_itx: the e-stop is a strip under the hand strap that needs to be pressed in just so all the time
[19:04:42] <Tom_itx> that would be uber annoying to a machinist
[19:04:45] <Wolf_Mill> sounds more like a dead man switch
[19:04:49] <Tom_itx> yeah
[19:04:58] <Tom_itx> i can see that on a robot
[19:05:20] <Tom_itx> hands free switches are used on all sorts of industrial equipment
[19:05:23] <XXCoder> enleth: makes sense for being inside workspace of machine
[19:05:40] <enleth> Too little pressure - the operator could be hit and lose consciousness. Too much - the operator could be hit and clenching his fists in pain.
[19:06:43] <Sync> yeah they are fucking annoying
[19:08:05] <enleth> Sync: I'd say better annoyed than mauled or wrapped around the workpiecie
[19:11:16] <enleth> If I had one of those big ass lathes that can pull the operator in and twist him into a pretzel, I'd be sure as hell to include that for manual or MDI operation
[19:12:30] <enleth> With a good spindle brake, too.
[19:13:09] <Sync> nah
[19:13:20] <Sync> he is dead before the spindle can stop in all cases
[19:13:47] <XXCoder> or she
[19:14:06] <Sync> but you are also usually not working in close distance with a roboter unless you are teaching in so that's fine
[19:14:23] <Sync> and think about the spindle brake you'd need
[19:14:35] <Sync> it would rip off the headstock very cleanly
[19:14:52] <Wolf_Mill> relying too much on safty systems makes people careless IMO
[19:15:34] <enleth> Sync: that's exactly why I'm keeping my distance from big ass lathes
[19:16:21] <XXCoder> interesting http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014VD8W38/?tag=thedigrea-20&linkId=7Y5VP7VFUJDDPLBT
[19:16:41] <XXCoder> good for shops I guess but I prefer my kindle in waterproof case
[19:16:46] <enleth> A big ass mill, sure, but that won't pull me in. The mass in motion is small at any given time.
[19:17:28] <enleth> And spindle brakes are posdible and effective
[19:19:31] <Sync> oh a mill will for sure pull you in enough that it will hurt you
[19:20:15] <enleth> But it's harder to do something stupid enough to provoke that.
[19:20:32] <enleth> And the chances of surviving with minor injuries are higher.
[19:20:33] <ganzuul> Looks legit. :) http://www.pmkaubamaja.ee/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_images.tpl&product_id=3162&category_id=707&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=20&lang=fi
[19:23:15] <enleth> ganzuul: that must be a local Estonian delicacy - a carbide cutter a cat vomit topping
[19:24:34] <Sync> one of my old teachers has a 25cm scar on his forearm because he got pulled into a deckel fp1
[19:25:19] <ganzuul> enleth: I'm gonna buy a set.
[19:25:54] <ganzuul> They sell the tips separately.
[19:26:42] <enleth> Sync: pulled in by what?
[19:26:59] <enleth> Sync: I mean, loose clothing or something?
[19:27:32] <Sync> it wasn't really loose but it got snagged by a chip and it pulled him in
[19:29:49] <ganzuul> How did the chip not break?
[19:30:04] <Sync> it happensâ„¢
[19:30:21] <ganzuul> hm
[19:30:28] <Sync> he was close to the cutter as he was lubricating it
[19:30:28] <enleth> Sync: you mean a long drilling chip?
[19:30:36] <Sync> yep
[19:30:45] <enleth> The more you know.
[19:31:01] <Sync> shit happens
[19:31:27] <enleth> All the more reasons to check the effectiveness of the spindle brake on mine.
[19:31:28] <ganzuul> Found a reference to those carbide grades: https://goo.gl/STK3YF
[19:31:51] <Sync> well, you won't really have a chance to hit it
[19:32:11] <enleth> It's inoperable now becuse the whole pneumatic subsystem is shot, but as far as I understand, it is engaged immediately every time power is cut to the spindle motor.
[19:32:54] <enleth> So it is meant to stop the spindle often and it remains to be seen how fast it actually stops
[19:34:11] <XXCoder> geez
[19:34:21] <XXCoder> windows 7 and 8 now downloads windows 10 without asking
[19:34:22] <jdh> http://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/for/5198416266.html
[19:34:36] <XXCoder> but not installing, but that takes nearly 2 gb space. bad, expecially on tablets
[19:46:28] <malcom2073> Hahaha nice
[19:47:00] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Only with windows updates set to automatic download yeah?
[19:47:10] <XXCoder> malcom2073: good question
[19:47:47] <XXCoder> it says whather opt in or not
[19:48:33] <XXCoder> it blew some people isp quotas
[19:48:47] <Sync> who still has isp quotas
[19:48:57] <XXCoder> lots
[19:49:02] <XXCoder> not me lukcly
[19:49:39] <XXCoder> canada specifically ban no limit isps
[19:49:56] <XXCoder> though isps that dont support that law just set limit then look away when people cross it
[19:50:37] <malcom2073> My ISP quota is set by my bandwidth. Can't download too much on a tiny pipe :)
[19:50:55] <PetefromTn_> BAM Wifeys Brakes are DONE!! ;)
[19:51:49] <PetefromTn_> It only took two hours more than it was supposed to because I am a MORON but hey it is done now so I am good
[19:52:10] <furrywolf> you can do mine next. P
[19:52:12] <furrywolf> :P
[19:52:24] <PetefromTn_> heh I gotta do MINE next
[19:52:33] <XXCoder> then mine. because why not?
[19:52:46] <PetefromTn_> Oh and her damn headlight blew out on the low beam so I gotta fix that now too
[19:52:53] <malcom2073> Then mine!
[19:53:03] <PetefromTn_> then I gotta wax it and clean the interior and and and and
[19:53:07] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: then fix my van driver side window and rear window lol
[19:53:15] <XXCoder> those two suddenly developed problems lol
[19:53:37] <furrywolf> my new subaru seems to need rear brakes... or, at least, the pedal travel is way excessive, but not spongy, and it's not the front brakes. so the rear is badly out of adjustment.
[19:53:51] <PetefromTn_> thankfully my Astro seems to be running pretty good and no issues but I noticed the brakes squeaked a bit yesterday so prolly gonna have to do that now too
[19:54:20] <Wolf_Mill> my f550 ate a set of rotors...
[19:54:25] <Wolf_Mill> $$$ ouch
[19:54:26] <PetefromTn_> Gotta head to the parts store now to buy a new headlight and return for warrantee my old brake pads
[19:54:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah so did this truck.
[19:54:40] <PetefromTn_> just put new ones on there
[19:54:53] <furrywolf> I've never needed to replace rotors.
[19:54:54] <PetefromTn_> they were only $35 a piece tho
[19:54:54] <Wolf_Mill> bet they were less then $200 each
[19:55:01] <PetefromTn_> WOAH
[19:55:11] <PetefromTn_> GOtta go BBL
[19:55:17] <furrywolf> I'm willing to live with a little bit of scoring or other minor issues. heh.
[19:55:20] <malcom2073> Heh, he forgot to refill the brakes
[19:55:36] <XXCoder> lol
[19:56:51] <malcom2073> I took apart my mill's electronics box, pulled out the servo drives and transformer
[19:57:04] <malcom2073> Looks like all the uglyness is from the intake fans not having filters on them, it's all dust and dirt
[19:57:10] <malcom2073> NOt really much, if any, corrosion that I can see
[19:57:40] <XXCoder> malcom2073: shops tend to use some fiberglass thingy as covers to keep dust and crud out
[19:57:56] <furrywolf> I'm hoping to make mine sealed. well, not sealed, but not containing any intentional openings.
[19:57:57] <XXCoder> huge ability for air to get in though so fans isnt even work harder
[19:58:25] <malcom2073> Yeah, this box has enough surface area, I'll bet I can just circulate air inside and be ok,
[19:58:25] <enleth> malcom2073: does it get so hot inside that air must be exchanged?
[19:58:27] <furrywolf> all parts that need heatsinking will be bolted to the 1/8" alu sides.
[19:58:28] <malcom2073> I'll try it
[19:58:33] <malcom2073> enleth: No clue, it hasn't run yet :)
[19:58:54] <enleth> malcom2073: ah, so definitely try just sealing it
[19:58:59] <XXCoder> malcom2073: yeah got IR camera? that would be handu
[19:59:08] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Buddy of mine does, good idea
[19:59:17] <Wolf_Mill> I have one
[19:59:25] <jdh> flir makes a phone IR cam
[19:59:31] <malcom2073> He got one of the E4's and turned it into an E8 with the firmware hack :)
[19:59:32] * furrywolf wants one
[19:59:36] <Wolf_Mill> I have a flir e4x2
[19:59:43] <XXCoder> it will be nice to place fins at hottest place and do external air blowing though it
[19:59:58] <XXCoder> air inside stays inside and air outside stays outside but heat gets pumped out
[20:00:05] <jdh> http://www.flir.com/flirone/content/?id=62910
[20:00:06] <malcom2073> The box is huge though, lots of surface area, it *may* be ok
[20:00:12] <XXCoder> yeah
[20:00:25] <Wolf_Mill> flir one = potato pics
[20:00:29] <XXCoder> wow nice
[20:00:49] <furrywolf> XXCoder: panasonic makes a waterproof, fan-cooled toughbook... they move the heat through the waterproof bulkheads with a heatsink on the outside, with a waterproof fan.
[20:00:57] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: Can you do the firmware hack on the E4X2 to give you double resolution?
[20:01:11] <Wolf_Mill> whats 4 x2 :P
[20:01:28] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/S3ap9WE.jpg
[20:01:30] <malcom2073> Oh, that's qty 2?
[20:01:30] <malcom2073> lol
[20:01:32] <XXCoder> other way would be surpising simple. water cooling system that pumps heat to outside
[20:01:33] <enleth> I just finished cleaning the control box on the bport and now I know why there would be a ton of chips, coolant and gunk on the bottom - there were two additional cable bundle holes with no cable bundles in them. Factory painted edges, not modified. All that crap got inside through there.
[20:01:46] <enleth> Maybe they were plugged once but the plugs fell out or something.
[20:01:48] <Wolf_Mill> its a hacked e4
[20:02:00] <malcom2073> Ahhhh nice
[20:02:04] <malcom2073> yeah that's what my buddy has :)
[20:02:05] <malcom2073> They're DAMN nice
[20:02:09] <XXCoder> jdh: expensive though lol
[20:02:13] <XXCoder> half value of my phone
[20:02:16] <furrywolf> enleth: time for new plugs. or duct tape.
[20:02:24] <enleth> furrywolf: I went for duct tape
[20:02:29] <XXCoder> weird though since case for iphone is just $150
[20:02:31] <malcom2073> I told my buddy if he ever gets bored withhis, he has to sell it to me for what he paid for the e4 hah
[20:02:38] <XXCoder> temped to just buy case and hack it
[20:02:40] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[20:02:48] <enleth> That was about 6 hours of cleaning, so I just taped the holes and called it a day.
[20:03:25] <Wolf_Mill> its a nice tool http://i.imgur.com/0BK6aGR.jpg
[20:03:28] <enleth> I'll have to revisit all that anyway when I install circular connectors on the cables, then I can plug the extra holes properly.
[20:03:33] <malcom2073> Yes it is
[20:03:33] <XXCoder> jdh: its also nice case for rooting - I enabled 270 degree view so I can hold my phone upside down
[20:04:12] * furrywolf wants an ir camera, but they're stupidly expensive. (
[20:04:13] <furrywolf> :(
[20:04:19] <furrywolf> also, my : seems to be sucking today.
[20:04:24] <malcom2073> furrywolf: $800 for an E4
[20:04:26] <XXCoder> lol
[20:04:39] <malcom2073> We have a flir at work, it's huge, and was something like $8k
[20:04:43] <furrywolf> yes. that's about $750 more than I can spend on such a device.
[20:04:44] <XXCoder> furrywolf: get a spot termal checker. not as good but allows you to check heat at places
[20:04:46] <XXCoder> $20
[20:04:55] <furrywolf> I have one of those already.
[20:05:07] <XXCoder> I love owning one.
[20:05:43] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/XRTwasV.jpg there is a learning curve to using a thermal cam
[20:05:53] <XXCoder> http://hackaday.com/2013/11/04/manufacturer-crippled-flir-e4-thermal-camera-hacked-to-perform-as-high-end-model/
[20:05:58] <malcom2073> Indeed, and remember, reflective surfaces reflect IR too :P
[20:06:22] <furrywolf> it is the learning curve that invariably involves pointing it at a cat? :)
[20:06:42] <malcom2073> cats are manditory
[20:06:54] <malcom2073> As is someone with a beard and sunglasses
[20:06:57] <Wolf_Mill> using it outside is odd, get -100 deg readings
[20:07:10] <malcom2073> Yeah the sky is thermally chilly
[20:07:36] <XXCoder> sky is infinite heat sink
[20:07:46] <XXCoder> to camera anyway
[20:08:05] <XXCoder> ir spot check reports weird numbers too
[20:10:30] <malcom2073> I wonder how to load down the servo drives, just dead-end the servos?
[20:10:45] <malcom2073> Or I guess hard back and forth motion
[20:11:02] <XXCoder> HM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VL7qzzxJSQ
[20:11:31] <XXCoder> I once made IR googles. was fun lol
[20:11:43] <XXCoder> people grass and everything looked weird
[20:11:48] <XXCoder> sky was.. black.
[20:12:04] <XXCoder> no stars. stars dont emit enough ir
[20:12:48] <XXCoder> it needs in least one sheet red and 3 sheets congo blue sheets
[20:14:08] <XXCoder> if you guys ever make one, do not look at sun
[20:14:56] <enleth> Sounds like one of those "been there, done that, don't do that" moments
[20:14:58] <roycroft> if you look at the sun it will put your eye out
[20:15:09] <XXCoder> roycroft: no. it can cause snow blindness
[20:15:27] <XXCoder> enleth: I took warnings seriously with my eyes.
[20:15:54] <furrywolf> "do not look into laser with remaining eye"
[20:15:58] <XXCoder> it is 1/3 of my total sensory package after all.
[20:15:59] <enleth> XXCoder: what about augumenting those goggles with some serious UV filters that don't block the relevant IR range?
[20:16:15] <XXCoder> enleth: ir IS the point
[20:16:23] <XXCoder> it gives you ability to see IR directly
[20:16:23] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Outside our laser lab at work, we have that sign :)
[20:16:28] <XXCoder> no enchancements
[20:16:32] <XXCoder> natural eyes
[20:16:42] <enleth> XXCoder: yeah, I know how it works
[20:16:46] <furrywolf> ... a very tiny bit of ir that overlaps with red. heh.
[20:16:55] <XXCoder> indeed
[20:17:10] <XXCoder> enleth: actually youre right misread what you said lol
[20:17:24] <enleth> XXCoder: I mean, would another UV filtering layer help reduce the risk of looking at the sun?
[20:17:25] <XXCoder> not sure if ir itself can cause problems if bright enough, aka direct from sun
[20:17:35] <XXCoder> uv is definitely bad
[20:17:49] <enleth> Snow blindness is mostly from UV, right?
[20:17:50] <XXCoder> I thought you meant block IR itself enleth lol
[20:18:11] <furrywolf> I don't like UV. I seem to be abnormally sensitive to it... I hate blacklights. no idea why anyone would ever put something so painful anywhere, ever...
[20:18:29] <furrywolf> they're painfully bright grey, if that makes any sense.
[20:18:30] <XXCoder> uvg isnt too bad for me, I hate flashing though
[20:18:55] <XXCoder> I literally can't see if I drive by police car in night
[20:19:00] <XXCoder> which is quite a nightmare
[20:19:27] <furrywolf> yeah, that's why I want to kill cyclists who think it's a good idea to set their 30W LED headlight to seizure mode.
[20:19:47] <XXCoder> furrywolf: the magic lays in 3 flashes per second
[20:19:59] <XXCoder> it gives me headaches but thankfully not seizure
[20:20:48] * furrywolf can't imagine ever being such an asshole as to go around blinding everyone else on the road... but then again, /me isn't a cyclist. being a cyclist apparantly damages your brain somehow...
[20:21:01] <XXCoder> Ib used to be cyclist
[20:21:09] <XXCoder> but yeah flashing is fine if not bright
[20:21:17] <XXCoder> 30w flashing is too much
[20:21:32] <XXCoder> I have overly amazing night vision so it literally blinds me
[20:22:06] <enleth> XXCoder: yeah, an additional layer of good UV filters made of something that specifically doesn't block near IR would make it safe-ish to look at the sun in those goggles
[20:22:30] <XXCoder> yah though its safe as long as dont stare at sun for more than second
[20:22:34] <XXCoder> total
[20:22:46] <MacGalempsy> well, if all went right this afternoon, I may be able to start the spindle tonight
[20:23:14] <XXCoder> its probably safe longer a little but I am paraoid with my eyes thank you very much. (1/3 of sensory total)
[20:25:44] <enleth> Oh, by the way, I ripped a very strange contraption out of the control cabinet of my Bridgeport. See, the Heidenhain-based Series 1 CNC models had this power outlet on the side of the cabinet. On mine, it was an european socket (a German "schuko"), but wired into the 110V secondary of the main transformer, which is also the main control voltage supply for the whole machine. I'm not sure what's that really
[20:25:50] <enleth> for, but that's how they made them at the factory. But it wasn't enough for the previous owner.
[20:26:39] <furrywolf> on my brown&sharpe, I suspect the wiring that might have done that was for the light.
[20:26:44] <furrywolf> the bendy-arm light
[20:27:20] <enleth> So, they installed a 24VDC modular power supply, a nice configurable relay set for a 6s off-delay, and a limit switch on a 2m long cable exiting the cabinet through an extra hole.
[20:28:00] <enleth> tl;dr when the limit switch closes, 24VDC is provided at the power outlet, with a 6s off delay
[20:28:01] <Wolf_Mill> well that was simple enough http://i.imgur.com/9HOn0vS.jpg
[20:28:11] <malcom2073> That's..... weird
[20:28:21] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: Nice! Building your own eh?
[20:28:50] <Wolf_Mill> coolant tank yeah, noga will be here monday
[20:28:56] <malcom2073> Sweet
[20:29:00] <enleth> Whatever for? I didn't care, I just ripped all that out and hooked the socket up into the original 110V terminals. Luckily they didn't cut the cables shorter.
[20:29:17] <enleth> Now I have a nice 24VDC PSU and a configurable relay.
[20:30:01] <enleth> And all the wiring in the cabinet is back to factory specs.
[20:30:14] <furrywolf> meh, another person using a pressure vessel for the coolant... I'm still planning on a pump. P
[20:30:15] <furrywolf> :P
[20:30:51] <enleth> furrywolf: at least they aren't using the hollow base of the machine as a coolant reservoir
[20:31:05] <malcom2073> :/ The base of mine is full of rancid coolant
[20:31:21] <enleth> malcom2073: I removed a bucketfull of shit from mine
[20:31:43] <furrywolf> heh, my b&s is filled with some form of coolant/water/way oil glop...
[20:31:50] <enleth> All dried up, I had to use a trowel to scrape it off
[20:32:01] <malcom2073> This stuff is still half liquidy
[20:32:03] <enleth> With the base laying on the side
[20:32:10] <Wolf_Mill> I dont feel like dealing with flood cooling on a desktop mill
[20:32:29] <enleth> At least I could paint the underside with some rust preventive
[20:33:22] <enleth> The underside of the base turned out to be the only iron surface of the mill that attracted any kind of rust. Incidentally, it was the only surface of the mill that hasn't been flooded with coolant for 30 years.
[20:33:37] <XXCoder> not surpising
[20:33:46] <XXCoder> coolant usually includes some kind of oil
[20:34:30] <enleth> XXCoder: also, on this machine, excess oil ends up in the cooland resevoir and is pumped back as coolant
[20:34:46] <XXCoder> interesting
[20:35:01] <furrywolf> mine as well, except for the oil that randomly drips onto your floor.
[20:35:08] <enleth> As I said yesterday, this mill has lost the ability to rust in a pretty literal sense
[20:35:21] <XXCoder> at workj theres this weird tube that rotates constantly and oil sticks to outsides and it takes it off and it drips to bucket
[20:35:26] <XXCoder> its filtered and reused
[20:36:14] <enleth> That's also why I decided that it's not worth even trying to repaint it.
[20:36:16] <XXCoder> rubber or soft plastic tube thing
[20:36:32] <Sync> XXCoder: oil skimmer
[20:36:35] <Sync> very important
[20:36:56] <XXCoder> yeah machine I usually run at work had half paint gone and basically no rust. one guy once poured water on table (nbo idea why)
[20:36:58] <enleth> With so much coolant in the iron, I'd have to wash it all with some serious industrial cleaning fluids to get any kind of caulk or paint to stick
[20:37:11] <XXCoder> and other coworker told me to spray coolant all over where that guy poured water
[20:37:15] <XXCoder> so its not rusting
[20:38:40] <Sync> if you don't skim the oil off your coolant will turn bad very quickly
[20:38:59] <XXCoder> Sync: oil skimmer interesting. thanks
[20:39:25] <XXCoder> it looks very simple
[20:39:32] <Sync> it is
[20:39:52] <XXCoder> basically length of loop tube, motor to rotate it, and ring to skim off oil and drip into bucket
[20:39:54] <XXCoder> done
[20:40:58] <XXCoder> http://www.instructables.com/id/Infrared-IR-Webcam/?ALLSTEPS
[20:41:00] <enleth> Funny, I don't think there's any way to do that on the Bridgeport
[20:41:13] <XXCoder> I wonder how effective it would be for detecting heat spots.
[20:41:19] <XXCoder> enleth: its possible anywhere
[20:41:34] <Sync> yup, if you have a closed surface your coolant will not aerate anymore
[20:41:35] <XXCoder> its very simple all it need is a way for loop to touch coolant
[20:41:50] <Sync> which will make anerobic bacteria grow like fuck
[20:41:51] <XXCoder> preferable half of loop in coolant
[20:42:17] <enleth> XXCoder: but the machine is apparently supposed to work without this addition, and with oil entering the resevoir
[20:42:49] <Sync> it will
[20:43:05] <Sync> but if you have 1000l coolant reservoirs there is considerable money in there
[20:43:15] <Sync> and desinfecting a large cnc is superbly annoying
[20:43:19] <XXCoder> Sync: one lathe at work often has broken oil skimmer
[20:43:20] <Sync> a BP is only annoying
[20:43:24] <XXCoder> coolant always look so bad
[20:43:32] <XXCoder> its being constantly fixed
[20:43:32] <Sync> tell osha
[20:43:53] <Sync> if it has turned over it needs serious work to get it right again
[20:44:21] <XXCoder> its been mostly fine lately]
[20:44:25] <furrywolf> I doubt the capacity on mine is more than ten gallons
[20:45:19] <enleth> AFAIR the manual recommends using Mobil Vactra No. 2, which I'll be ordering next week to replace some random motor oil I found in the oil pump reservoir. Is that oil also that prone to spoilage?
[20:45:33] <malcom2073> mmm vactra
[20:45:43] <Sync> how will a mineral oil spoil
[20:45:49] <malcom2073> oil doesn't spoil
[20:45:53] <MattyMatt> Oh terrific. I've been looking at old british lathes to see what my 1.25x7tpi nose thread is compatible with, and it's this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-1-4-BSW-x-7-tpi-Hex-Die-Nut-/131597257174 standard bloody whitworth again like the leadscrew
[20:45:54] <Sync> ^
[20:46:01] <enleth> That's the question, I wouldn't expect it to.
[20:46:05] <malcom2073> Water based coolants can
[20:46:06] <Sync> it won't
[20:46:11] <Sync> coolant will/can
[20:46:33] <enleth> Ah, that makes more sense.
[20:46:42] <XXCoder> enleth: car oil do age as its heated repeatively and abused. but cnc machine oil I dont think so?
[20:47:58] <MattyMatt> depends how hard you're cutting. if it burns and you recirculate it, it's bound to spoil eventually just like in an engine
[20:48:34] <furrywolf> in an engine it's also being exposed to combustion products
[20:48:40] <MattyMatt> there are bacteria that can live in the water based coolant tho
[20:48:51] <MattyMatt> that'd suck. mouldy mill
[20:49:02] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: I guess it can be reconditioned and cleaned?
[20:49:11] <MattyMatt> boiled I guess
[20:49:14] <enleth> TBH I'm not sure if I want to keep using the base casting as the reservoir
[20:49:24] <Sync> MattyMatt: you just get rid of it
[20:49:39] <malcom2073> enleth: I don't plan on it, I'm going to move the motor outboard
[20:49:48] <malcom2073> have the tank exterior and easy to get to/clean
[20:49:50] <Sync> in small quantities it is not worth it
[20:49:50] <enleth> I could just route the coolant removal hoses into a separate, dedicated tank.
[20:49:59] <Sync> that's a good idea
[20:50:03] <XXCoder> enleth: yeah would work
[20:50:05] <Sync> as the base is a bitch to clean
[20:50:20] <XXCoder> enleth: what will you do with base?
[20:50:20] <furrywolf> my plan is since the stock coolant system has worked fine for 70 years, I don't need to change anything. :P
[20:50:25] <enleth> Sync: that's an understatement
[20:50:42] <XXCoder> I guess you need some sorta mass on base for stability
[20:50:54] <enleth> XXCoder: it's relatively clean right now, so I'll just do nothing with it, let it be
[20:51:16] <enleth> XXCoder: or maybe fill it up with sand to add some extra weight?
[20:51:16] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[20:51:35] <XXCoder> I found this interesting android app, it generates gcode for engraving
[20:51:41] <Sync> pfft there is no need
[20:51:47] <XXCoder> though missing starting and ending stuff like m30
[20:52:06] <MattyMatt> cast iron doesn't rust through like steel does
[20:52:08] <XXCoder> Syncs the expert
[20:52:24] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: it does but it dont turn very cancerous rust
[20:52:40] <XXCoder> (doh thats what you said. nm lol)
[20:52:54] <enleth> XXCoder: I'm not sure of the mass of the coolant changes anything as far as machine stability goes
[20:53:23] <furrywolf> my machine weighs 4000lbs. 40lbs of coolant isn't going to significantly affect its stability. :)
[20:53:28] <malcom2073> Heh, yeah 60lbs of coolant vs a 3000lb base
[20:53:45] <XXCoder> I don't know, in age of 3d printers, why anyone exposes actual pictures of master keys. like TSA master keys
[20:53:59] <XXCoder> makes sense mal, fur.
[20:54:13] <furrywolf> XXCoder: because in the age before 3d printers, it was still trivial to make a key with a file.
[20:54:20] <furrywolf> and nothing has changed.
[20:54:24] <enleth> The whole base/column casting on mine is about 500kg, half of that is at the bottom
[20:54:25] <MattyMatt> you put your phone near your house keys
[20:54:28] <XXCoder> I suppose but its so much riciously easy now
[20:55:02] <enleth> XXCoder: I have 3D printers at hand and I'd still use a file
[20:55:09] <furrywolf> no, it's not ridiculously easy. 3d printers generally make useless crap with piss-poor tolerances and strength, and won't make useful keys. while many, many times as many people own files... :P
[20:55:19] <XXCoder> I want a 3d printer but not too sure on uses.
[20:55:21] <enleth> XXCoder: fun fact: bakelite makes for a great key material
[20:55:26] <XXCoder> did you find em useful enleth
[20:55:36] <enleth> Soft enough to file down quickly, hard enough to be a useful key.
[20:55:37] <furrywolf> fun fact: no one has a 3d bakelite printer. :P
[20:55:58] <enleth> XXCoder: 3D printers? Yeah, for some things.
[20:56:09] <enleth> XXCoder: not for everything though
[20:56:10] <MattyMatt> you can have a paste extruder on a printer, with epoxy+woodflour
[20:56:11] <malcom2073> I like my 3d printer
[20:56:13] <furrywolf> I figure if I ever want to 3d print something, I'll just stick an extruder in the spindle of my mill and a hotbed on the table...
[20:56:24] <MattyMatt> hotbed is optional
[20:56:46] <enleth> furrywolf: that should work but may be a bit slow
[20:56:56] <MattyMatt> your mill is considerably flatter than most printers, so you can get the first layer to adhere on any flat stock
[20:57:12] <furrywolf> enleth: ... slower than something made with nema17 motors and hardware store allthread, like most people consider perfectly acceptable for a 3d printer? :P
[20:57:19] <furrywolf> I can do close to 2 inches/second...
[20:57:21] <XXCoder> my router wouldnt work unless want large inch to 2 inches thick prints
[20:57:28] <MattyMatt> nah printers are belt drive on X & Y
[20:57:35] <furrywolf> not the fastest machine in the world, but a lot faster than the crap that passes for a 3d printer.
[20:57:46] <MattyMatt> 12 inches a second, although the printhead can't keep up with that
[20:57:48] <enleth> The problem with 3D printers is inertia. Mills don't have this problem, they have to overcome the cutting forces - unless they aren't cutting.
[20:57:53] <furrywolf> ... do you want me to go google all the machines built with hardware store allthread? P
[20:57:55] <furrywolf> :P
[20:57:58] <malcom2073> My printer has ballscrews heh
[20:58:01] <furrywolf> grrr, something is very wrong with my :.
[20:58:13] <MattyMatt> 95% of printers are belt
[20:58:18] <XXCoder> my 3d printer is nonexistant. bit of a problem to overcome lol
[20:58:21] <malcom2073> True
[20:58:25] <enleth> furrywolf: how fast can you do a sharp corner?
[20:58:37] <furrywolf> enleth: dunno. :P
[20:58:45] <furrywolf> how sharp? :)
[20:59:00] <XXCoder> I got an idea
[20:59:07] <XXCoder> ice printer. bet thats pretty easy
[20:59:14] <XXCoder> though envorment part is bit hard
[20:59:14] <enleth> furrywolf: well, try it, aim for no noticeable roundoff
[20:59:17] <furrywolf> I have some pretty beefy nema34 steppers running at 8A/phase... I have a lot of low-speed torque for changing directions.
[20:59:24] <enleth> furrywolf: you'd need that for 3D printing
[20:59:37] <malcom2073> 1200mm/sec^2
[20:59:38] <MattyMatt> XXCoder already had it, last winter I think :)
[20:59:44] <malcom2073> is about the minimum I've found gets decent prints
[20:59:46] <XXCoder> lol ok
[20:59:48] <MattyMatt> the idea. I never made one
[20:59:54] <furrywolf> enleth: roundoff is defined by the linuxcnc trajectory planner, and configurable in your code. the machine will have a maximum of what you set it to.
[21:00:06] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: wanna do kickstarter together? lol
[21:00:24] <MattyMatt> syringe of hot water. drops should freeze
[21:00:54] <enleth> furrywolf: set a 0.3mm tool diameter, maximum roundoff of 0.3mm, full speed ahead with no tool, see how much it slows down to corner
[21:01:10] <MattyMatt> send wet envelopes as reward prints . "It was fine when I posted it"
[21:01:13] <furrywolf> that's not how linuxcnc's setting works. :)
[21:01:25] <furrywolf> it's how far from the specified path it's allowed to deviate to keep the speed up
[21:01:40] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: reward for $10 ones - container of water that was specifically used in tests lol
[21:01:45] <malcom2073> enleth: It'll slow down enough to take the corner within maximum deviation while staying below maximum acceleration
[21:01:54] <furrywolf> if you set it to 0, it'll come to full stop at the corner.
[21:02:33] <Sync> furrywolf: you can make good enough keys to open tsa locks
[21:02:46] <enleth> furrywolf: so it's a question of how much time your machine needs to waste stop one axis from full speed to 0 and the other from 0 to full
[21:02:49] <Sync> and dual litho 3d printers are pretty awesome
[21:02:54] <enleth> *to stop
[21:02:54] <furrywolf> I have the same keys the TSA has... a crowbar and a pair of bolt cutters.
[21:03:17] <XXCoder> there is always rubber hose key
[21:03:22] <enleth> furrywolf: 3D printers are optimized to do that all the time, fast
[21:03:26] <MattyMatt> the kind of printing that will appeal to metalworkers is that one with the poweder spray into a laser meltpool
[21:03:28] <furrywolf> with the tsa, it's more of a rubber glove key.
[21:03:34] <XXCoder> theres nice other tool - rubber hose decryption kjey
[21:03:44] <furrywolf> enleth: have you seen some of the utter shit that passes for 3d printers? lol
[21:03:53] <enleth> furrywolf: yeah, I have
[21:04:15] <furrywolf> I wonder how fast zee's machine with his 5hp or whatever servos corners. :)
[21:04:34] <enleth> furrywolf: I have 3 boxes somewhere full of 3D printers so shitty that no one has bothered to try and fix them for the last 2 years
[21:04:48] <furrywolf> in any case, I don't plan on frequent 3d printing. so far I've done exactly no 3d printing. if I planned on doing a lot of it, I'd make a dedicated machine, not use my mill.
[21:05:07] <MattyMatt> deltas are the new fun in printers. they fast
[21:05:13] <enleth> They're actually headed for the garbage bin soon
[21:05:25] <furrywolf> fast, but poor accuracy.
[21:05:29] <XXCoder> enleth: whats problem with those printers
[21:05:52] <malcom2073> enleth: Don't trash 'em, sell the parts
[21:05:59] <MattyMatt> http://imgur.com/a/v5Aid me declares an interest in crappy printers
[21:06:01] <malcom2073> even a trash 3d printer has $100-$200 worth of pars in it
[21:06:02] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:06:06] <enleth> XXCoder: they are pure shit, unspoiled even by a slightest mark of good engineering
[21:06:18] <malcom2073> MattyMatt: I was hoping that was what I thought it was, and it was :)
[21:06:24] <enleth> XXCoder: google MakerBot Cupcake
[21:06:32] <XXCoder> enleth: ok googleing
[21:06:44] <furrywolf> lol
[21:07:04] <XXCoder> enleth: lol I did consider those
[21:07:20] <furrywolf> I figure either of my mills would make a perfectly adequate 3d printer for occasional use.
[21:07:31] <enleth> malcom2073: I would feel bad selling those parts to anyone, trying to claim that they're good for anything
[21:07:38] <XXCoder> enleth: http://makerbot-blog-old.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/coral-frag-setup-650x521.jpg
[21:07:39] <furrywolf> sherline for small parts, shoptask for big parts.
[21:07:43] <XXCoder> that isnt good
[21:08:35] <Wolf_Mill> I have this thing... http://i.imgur.com/TCquUn0.jpg
[21:08:39] <enleth> XXCoder: the problem with Cupcake is that it jams up, breaks, loses calibration or goes bonkers on every other print
[21:09:12] <XXCoder> high quality. http://www.ilsussidiario.net/img/WEB2/MakerBot_375.jpg
[21:09:35] <enleth> XXCoder: don't even get me started on leveling the printhead mounting plate
[21:09:36] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[21:09:38] <furrywolf> I want to make a multi-color extruder. I have a design in my head for a CMYKWA mechamism...
[21:10:04] <furrywolf> three colors, black, white, and transparent, so it can make any color on the fly...
[21:10:04] <XXCoder> furrywolf: how would you handle the delay?
[21:10:05] <MattyMatt> + flexible+silver
[21:10:10] <Wolf_Mill> mine does ok-ish http://i.imgur.com/rZeYTyK.jpg
[21:10:16] <MattyMatt> >:)
[21:10:16] <furrywolf> XXCoder: plan ahead. :P
[21:10:20] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Any machine in the hands of an idiot will make crap
[21:10:22] <malcom2073> look at mills :)
[21:10:28] <XXCoder> malcom2073: true
[21:10:36] <enleth> Wolf_Mill: looks nice
[21:10:39] <XXCoder> but my first picture was from themselves.
[21:10:49] <XXCoder> if thats best they can with their own...
[21:10:58] <enleth> malcom2073: no, really, Cupcake is just shit, end of story.
[21:11:01] <XXCoder> not bad Wolf_Mill
[21:11:03] <malcom2073> Heh
[21:11:09] <malcom2073> That being said, there is such thing as a shit machine :P
[21:11:37] <MattyMatt> nothing duct tape can't fix
[21:11:50] <XXCoder> Wolf_Mill: considered acetone vapor to smooth? (assuming abs and not pla)
[21:11:52] <furrywolf> I also designed a variable size nozzle at one point. so many projects, so little time. heh.
[21:11:55] <MattyMatt> or a bit of sandpaper and glue, in my case
[21:12:03] <XXCoder> furrywolf: not bad
[21:12:06] <enleth> MattyMatt: I duct taped the box closed so no one would try to waste time fixing that crap. Does it count?
[21:12:25] <Wolf_Mill> messed up part is you buy a 3d printer kit, then spend the first month of using it printing upgrade parts for it...
[21:12:32] <MattyMatt> any local hackerspace that would appreciate a gift?
[21:12:34] <XXCoder> I still have set of SBR stuff from my previous cnc router plan
[21:12:37] <enleth> Not that anyone would want to, but newbies come from time to time.
[21:12:54] <furrywolf> MattyMatt: its qualifications as a "gift" are questionable.
[21:13:27] <furrywolf> enleth: do they have non-garbage extruders? I'm guessing not.
[21:13:44] <malcom2073> Yank teh steppers, power supplies, and extruder/heatbed and ship them to me :P
[21:13:46] <MattyMatt> printrbot is the new baseline I guess. people were more grateful before the consumers arrived
[21:13:47] <enleth> furrywolf: nope. And they don't fit anything else anyway.
[21:14:07] <furrywolf> I have three milling machines. I can make things fit other things. but if they're garbage, no reason to waste the time. :P
[21:14:14] <enleth> furrywolf: to install one on any other printer, you'd need to strip it down and replace the body
[21:14:32] * furrywolf also has a wide variety of sledge hammers. :P
[21:14:50] <malcom2073> Ohhh and ifit has short smooth rods, they're useful too
[21:14:55] <enleth> Oh, and the nozzles have a weird thread size that isn't used on any other common printhead.
[21:15:17] <furrywolf> I'm not interested in 3d printing enough to want to build my own extruder, so I want a complete ready-to-plug-into-stepper-drive module.
[21:15:21] <MattyMatt> what I want to make on my mill, is a paste extruder that's basically a grount gun, for doing large coarse prints in cheap grout etc
[21:15:31] <malcom2073> furrywolf: There isn't any *real* decent one
[21:15:43] <malcom2073> There are cheapchinese ones
[21:15:45] <furrywolf> it has to be made entirely of metal, using gears milled or hobbed, and not contain any 3d printing components.
[21:15:59] <malcom2073> All-metal hotends are something to stray away from
[21:16:06] <enleth> furrywolf: take a look at lulzbot.com
[21:16:10] <XXCoder> enleth: wow they tried so hard to make it worthless for everyone
[21:16:21] <XXCoder> I mean, custom extruder size? why?
[21:16:21] <enleth> furrywolf: yeah, they do make 3D printers called lulzbot
[21:16:27] <enleth> XXCoder: no idea
[21:16:31] <Wolf_Mill> huh, I'm running a all metal hot end
[21:16:40] <enleth> furrywolf: I have one and it's really OK
[21:16:54] <enleth> furrywolf: they sell extruders separately
[21:17:05] <XXCoder> enleth: just saw a printer thats almost ALL printer printed stuff
[21:17:14] <furrywolf> that name might be reason enough to stay away.
[21:17:21] <XXCoder> only wires, ball screws, motors and rest of electrics arent.
[21:17:24] <MattyMatt> lulzbot are top end
[21:17:38] <MattyMatt> good printers, plenty aluminium mister
[21:17:40] <enleth> furrywolf: don't. Those are among the best printers on the market.
[21:17:54] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Build your own, it's several months of fun!: https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10453332_892119567469092_3066870051940688719_n.jpg?oh=42dff8e44bf1c84ed4a7c6c5b0e28d27&oe=5661CE8D
[21:18:09] <enleth> furrywolf: and the support is excellent, they actually dedicate a lot of time to a problem if you report one.
[21:18:12] <furrywolf> I don't want several months of fun. :P
[21:18:26] <XXCoder> $2,200 one look cheaper than $1,200 on. weird
[21:18:37] <XXCoder> ah volume space difference
[21:19:10] <MattyMatt> don't mess about with plastic. do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9IdZ2pI5dA
[21:19:22] <malcom2073> I *really* want one of those
[21:19:26] <enleth> XXCoder: Mini is some lasercut/water cut sheet aluminum
[21:19:29] <XXCoder> saw that MattyMatt. still very impressed
[21:19:55] <zeeshan> MAn i usually love rain
[21:19:55] <enleth> XXCoder: TAZ is made of Bosch Rexroth extruded T-slotted bars
[21:19:57] <zeeshan> but tonight i hate it
[21:20:01] <zeeshan> cause of it, we couldnt move the lathe
[21:20:08] <zeeshan> got training him, and it started raining.
[21:20:09] <zeeshan> :(
[21:20:12] <zeeshan> *got done
[21:20:13] <XXCoder> enleth: nice
[21:20:20] <malcom2073> It's raining bad here, flooding everywhere
[21:20:25] <zeeshan> where are you malcom2073
[21:20:36] <Sync> oh this POS MattyMatt, I heard that they have not sold one
[21:20:40] <XXCoder> its being too rain-free here. not good for rain jungle biome area :(
[21:20:46] <malcom2073> zeeshan: South central PA
[21:20:56] <XXCoder> Sync: why POS
[21:21:03] <zeeshan> ah youre only like 600 miles from me :P
[21:21:08] <enleth> XXCoder: a friend made one himself (there are official schematics published for TAZ and you're free to use them and source your own parts) and I was able to stand on the frame. It didn't bend or sway. I weigh 115kg.
[21:21:15] <MattyMatt> Sync maybe, but 1m people are rubbing their hands and saying Where Can I get One Of Those Lasers?
[21:21:16] <zeeshan> gimme a town
[21:21:23] <zeeshan> so i can google map the distance
[21:21:27] <malcom2073> Shrewsbury, PA
[21:21:33] <XXCoder> enleth: interesting
[21:21:33] <Sync> you can just go to coherent and buy one MattyMatt
[21:21:40] <Wolf_Mill> great that means zee is like 680miles from me...
[21:21:41] <zeeshan> damn
[21:21:43] <enleth> XXCoder: that's just Rexroth
[21:21:43] <zeeshan> its only 600 km
[21:21:45] <malcom2073> Lol
[21:21:48] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: He's south
[21:21:53] <malcom2073> so 520
[21:21:53] <zeeshan> thats only 375 miles away guys
[21:22:02] <enleth> XXCoder: to be exact, we used german ITEM parts, they are compatible
[21:22:03] <zeeshan> https://www.google.ca/maps/dir/Mt+Hope,+Hamilton,+ON/Shrewsbury,+PA,+USA/@41.5043174,-79.4731846,8z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x882c902dd8c6946d:0x4694566cb6c75458!2m2!1d-79.9152937!2d43.1548177!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c86488db65384d:0x2a400790eb05a321!2m2!1d-76.679693!2d39.7687139
[21:22:17] <malcom2073> Oh you're north
[21:22:19] <malcom2073> I thought you were south
[21:22:20] <XXCoder> gonna run be back
[21:22:22] <furrywolf> being able to stand on something isn't that impressive. I bet I can stand on my sherline. :P
[21:22:23] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[21:22:26] <MattyMatt> Sync, I meant for less than $100 :)
[21:22:26] <malcom2073> I forgot you were canadian
[21:22:27] <malcom2073> :P
[21:22:42] <enleth> furrywolf: can you jump off it and then pick it up with one hand?
[21:22:49] <furrywolf> yes
[21:23:00] <furrywolf> it weighs something like 20lbs. :P
[21:23:15] <enleth> Is that a rebranded C0?
[21:23:31] <zeeshan> man
[21:23:31] <furrywolf> no. Sherline is a made-in-USA product.
[21:23:35] <zeeshan> usa has a lot of interstates
[21:23:37] <furrywolf> they make all their own parts.
[21:23:53] <malcom2073> Lol yes
[21:23:53] <MattyMatt> I've seen 4W fibre lasers for $400. they might be able to do a toy version with plastic powder
[21:23:54] <malcom2073> yes it does
[21:24:01] <zeeshan> we have like 1 higway that crosses canada
[21:24:03] <MattyMatt> 7W for $400 sorry
[21:24:08] <enleth> OK, enough for now, BBL
[21:24:11] <zeeshan> but obv much more in populated areas
[21:24:12] <malcom2073> zeeshan: You also have a population of california
[21:24:14] <zeeshan> but fuck you guys have like
[21:24:17] <zeeshan> 7 or 8
[21:24:21] <zeeshan> crossing from west to east coast
[21:24:25] <furrywolf> man. canada has a lot of snow.
[21:24:27] <malcom2073> You have less than 1/10th the number of people
[21:24:50] <zeeshan> hey at least we dont have 3/10 of the pop as illegals
[21:24:51] <zeeshan> :)
[21:25:07] <furrywolf> that's because you'd have to pay people to get them to move there. :P
[21:25:09] <malcom2073> Dems voting illegals damnit
[21:25:23] <Wolf_Mill> yup =/
[21:25:24] <PetefromTn_> man I am tired
[21:25:27] <zeeshan> yea right furry
[21:25:31] <zeeshan> when we come here 16 years ago
[21:25:34] <zeeshan> came
[21:25:37] <malcom2073> I've been tempted to move to canada
[21:25:46] <zeeshan> we had to pay show we had 250k of assets
[21:25:49] <malcom2073> I'm in the tech industry, which apparently improves my chances
[21:25:51] <PetefromTn_> good lord why?
[21:25:52] <zeeshan> and would setup a viable business in canada
[21:26:05] <malcom2073> They have fairly strict visa requirements
[21:26:07] <zeeshan> cause we got in through some business visa thingama jig
[21:26:10] <malcom2073> And even stricter citizenship
[21:26:19] <zeeshan> yep
[21:26:20] <malcom2073> You have to actually be a smart productive person
[21:26:37] <zeeshan> well usa is harder to get into
[21:26:38] <MattyMatt> you need a huge cash pile to get a visa to set up a business
[21:26:50] <zeeshan> it was a tough transition man
[21:26:55] <zeeshan> my dad lost that 250k in a year
[21:27:00] <zeeshan> we were poor as hell
[21:27:09] <zeeshan> then he got his license for dental practice
[21:27:12] <zeeshan> and we all went to school
[21:27:17] <zeeshan> and made it out of poverty
[21:27:20] <zeeshan> moving countries is so hard
[21:27:38] <MattyMatt> I slung a spare pair of boot round my neck when I did it
[21:28:26] <zeeshan> you know who gets in easy?
[21:28:29] <zeeshan> if youre a refugee
[21:28:43] <zeeshan> and you wanna know who commits the highest crimes?
[21:28:46] <zeeshan> in toronto area?
[21:28:48] <zeeshan> refugees..
[21:29:08] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, your lathe came with training????
[21:29:11] <Sync> ok, so ima emigrate to syria and then seek canadian citizenship?
[21:29:11] <PetefromTn_> Canadians?
[21:29:14] <Wolf_Mill> hey zeeshan http://i.imgur.com/9HOn0vS.jpg holding tank is done :P
[21:29:15] <XXCoder> malcom2073: cananda needs machinists?
[21:29:23] <malcom2073> XXCoder: I'm not a machinist
[21:29:29] <XXCoder> oh tech
[21:29:34] * furrywolf isn't an anything
[21:29:37] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: yes i promised training
[21:29:38] <PetefromTn_> hey I got one of those
[21:29:42] <malcom2073> Yeah I'm a programmer
[21:29:45] <zeeshan> cause anyone who buys linuxcnc machine would be lost
[21:29:51] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, mine didn't come with training!
[21:29:52] <zeeshan> if theyre coming from a windows world
[21:30:05] <Tom_itx> neither did my mill..
[21:30:06] <XXCoder> malcom2073: techinically I am one too. has degrees even
[21:30:06] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: i wanted it to go to a good home
[21:30:15] <Tom_itx> damn i got screwed
[21:30:33] <Tom_itx> friggin cheapass buttons...
[21:30:33] <zeeshan> its going to a good home
[21:30:36] <zeeshan> and ive made a friend..
[21:30:49] <Tom_itx> gettin errors and find out a bad pendant button
[21:31:00] <zeeshan> he owns a really big automotive place
[21:31:06] <zeeshan> does hot rod restoration
[21:31:10] <Tom_itx> good stuff
[21:31:19] <furrywolf> did you get your new turning center yet?
[21:31:31] <Tom_itx> are you gonna get the okuma?
[21:31:37] <zeeshan> no idea yet guys
[21:31:44] <zeeshan> im looking at 3 different lathes this week after work
[21:31:46] <Tom_itx> did he get back to you?
[21:31:48] <zeeshan> will keep you posted
[21:31:54] <zeeshan> the okuma is likely a no go
[21:32:01] <Tom_itx> :(
[21:32:01] <furrywolf> you sold your only lathe without having the new one lined up? :P
[21:32:09] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i need the space man
[21:32:11] <zeeshan> i cant keep both
[21:32:12] <Sync> buy all three zeeshan
[21:32:13] <Tom_itx> seems a trend in here
[21:32:15] <malcom2073> Let's all move into zeeshan's garage
[21:32:36] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: haha
[21:32:37] <XXCoder> zeeshan: invenbt time lord "bigger inside" tech
[21:32:52] <zeeshan> pete has a lathe!
[21:33:25] <zeeshan> i also have a mitusbishi eclispe thats rotting on my driveway
[21:33:30] <zeeshan> i can hook up my 3 jaw on it
[21:33:36] <zeeshan> and machine stuff if really needed!
[21:33:47] <zeeshan> ever seen hub based lathing?
[21:33:47] <zeeshan> :P
[21:33:48] * Jymmm hands zeeshan two gallons of gasoline and a torch
[21:33:50] <malcom2073> lol
[21:33:55] * Jymmm grabs the marshmellows!
[21:34:00] <PetefromTn_> I have a lathe
[21:34:07] <PetefromTn_> it's just
[21:34:09] <PetefromTn_> sorta
[21:34:13] <PetefromTn_> non
[21:34:16] <PetefromTn_> operational
[21:34:18] <Sync> zeeshan turbo eclipse incoming?
[21:34:19] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: that tank looks awesome
[21:34:20] <PetefromTn_> now
[21:34:23] <zeeshan> looks so much better than a soda bottle
[21:34:24] <Jymmm> physical? In your head
[21:34:28] <zeeshan> that i feel bad for even comparing the two
[21:34:38] <zeeshan> is that a plastic tube as the pick up tube
[21:34:41] <PetefromTn_> thats a water filter
[21:34:49] <PetefromTn_> without the filter
[21:34:57] <zeeshan> looks huge man
[21:34:58] <Wolf_Mill> steel tube
[21:34:59] <zeeshan> i like it
[21:35:10] <Wolf_Mill> its only 10
[21:35:10] <zeeshan> Sync: no, unfortunately 2003 mitusbishi eclispe
[21:35:14] <PetefromTn_> I have the same one but mine is opaque
[21:35:18] <Wolf_Mill> its only 10inch tall
[21:35:19] <zeeshan> i turboed it etc, but removed everything after
[21:35:22] <Sync> pfft
[21:35:24] <zeeshan> its got 400000 miles on it
[21:35:32] <zeeshan> but the engine has 50k
[21:35:33] <Sync> just drop another 4g63 in it
[21:35:52] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: did you get the mini cool?
[21:35:55] <zeeshan> like recieve it
[21:36:03] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, eta monday
[21:36:38] <PetefromTn_> I would like to see your whole setup once you get it sorted maybe I will add that to my VMC/Lathe
[21:36:49] <Sync> or ship me the motor
[21:36:51] <furrywolf> I got a $6 pump to use for mine. :P
[21:37:25] <malcom2073> +1 to that, I like the filter container setup, get lots of pics
[21:37:58] * furrywolf plans to store coolant unpressurized
[21:38:20] <zeeshan> furrywolf: bad idea :P
[21:38:27] <Sync> I'm looking at getting a complete sadev driveline zeeshan
[21:38:30] <zeeshan> oh nm
[21:38:36] <zeeshan> ure gonna have pump between reservoir
[21:38:45] <zeeshan> and nozle
[21:38:51] <furrywolf> yes.
[21:39:01] <Wolf_Mill> really, its stupid simple, its a $16 filter housing from amazon, without a pressure relief button, drilled and tapped the top where the button would be for 1/4 npt http://i.imgur.com/au8jYKa.jpg
[21:39:09] <zeeshan> sync i dont know what that is
[21:39:13] <malcom2073> Oh zeeshan did you see, I took out my electronics and looked at them, they look in decent condition (the servo drives)
[21:39:21] <malcom2073> All the gunk on them is dust and dirt from the fans
[21:39:33] <zeeshan> malcom2073: you need to work on that neglected machine
[21:39:36] <zeeshan> youre a mean owner
[21:39:40] <zeeshan> shes begging for attention
[21:39:41] <malcom2073> zeeshan: I've been slowly working on it
[21:39:51] <zeeshan> give it a new home
[21:39:54] <malcom2073> Got most of the rust off it
[21:39:56] <zeeshan> and it will give you joy in return :P
[21:40:00] <malcom2073> Hah
[21:40:04] <malcom2073> You want it?
[21:40:09] <zeeshan> yes
[21:40:11] <zeeshan> no space though
[21:40:12] <zeeshan> :P
[21:40:17] <malcom2073> Why? It's a knee mill, it's not a VMC
[21:40:26] <zeeshan> ill say it once
[21:40:32] <zeeshan> it saddens me to even compare it
[21:40:37] <furrywolf> Wolf_Mill: the even stupider simpler design is just to put a compression fitting in the outlet port, with a long tube going back down into the housing. no drilling and tapping needed. :P
[21:40:38] <zeeshan> but its 10 notches above a tormach
[21:40:48] <zeeshan> =]
[21:40:51] <malcom2073> What kind of machine do you have?
[21:40:55] <malcom2073> I thought you had a decent knee mill?
[21:41:02] <zeeshan> i dont have a knee mill
[21:41:06] <zeeshan> its considered a tool room mill
[21:41:09] <malcom2073> Oh
[21:41:17] <malcom2073> It looked larger
[21:41:21] <Wolf_Mill> furrywolf: you need 2 ports on the outlet side, air and liquid
[21:41:31] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/machines/cnc_mill/mikron_wf21c.jpg
[21:41:31] <zeeshan> old pic
[21:41:35] <zeeshan> its large!
[21:41:38] <zeeshan> around 6000lb
[21:41:39] <furrywolf> air on the output side is the same as air on the input side. :P
[21:41:41] <Sync> http://www.sadev-tm.com/en/gearboxes-and-differentials/4wdt zis zeeshan
[21:41:43] <malcom2073> Ah I guess it is kinda small
[21:41:52] <malcom2073> Well once I get it running on servos I'll sell it to ya :P
[21:41:59] <zeeshan> how dare you call it small
[21:42:02] <zeeshan> my e dick got hurt
[21:42:12] <malcom2073> Lol
[21:42:17] <Sync> ze french transmissiones and differentiales
[21:42:29] <zeeshan> sync what would you do with that
[21:42:32] <zeeshan> looks very expensive
[21:42:35] <zeeshan> and properly engineered
[21:42:45] <Sync> drop it in my colt
[21:42:54] <zeeshan> oh noessssssssss
[21:42:58] <zeeshan> we are mitus buddies!
[21:43:06] <zeeshan> do you have a 4g63 in there?
[21:43:20] <Sync> nope
[21:43:27] <Sync> currently a 4g93DOHC
[21:43:36] <zeeshan> whcih year
[21:43:39] <Sync> 92
[21:43:56] <Sync> but I have a 4g63 oxidizing away in the shop
[21:43:57] <zeeshan> coupe or hatch
[21:44:05] <PetefromTn_> my brother in laws son has a pretty badass mistu with a 4G63 in it
[21:44:11] <Sync> there was no 92 hatch
[21:44:14] <zeeshan> ah
[21:44:19] <Sync> or rathe the colt never came as hatch
[21:44:27] <zeeshan> hm i wonder what car im confusing it with.
[21:44:31] * zeeshan googles
[21:44:39] <PetefromTn_> it didn't?
[21:44:45] <Sync> there was the doge colt in the US
[21:44:56] <Sync> or maybe I'm confusing hatchback with coupe
[21:45:13] <zeeshan> no im wrong
[21:45:16] <PetefromTn_> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Dodge-Colt-hatchback.jpg
[21:45:17] <zeeshan> im confusing it with a mirage.
[21:45:36] <zeeshan> they look very similar :P
[21:45:42] <Sync> kinda
[21:45:45] <furrywolf> all vehicles I never want to own. :P
[21:45:54] <Sync> it is fun
[21:45:59] <zeeshan> furrywolf: you should sell your kidneys to subaru
[21:46:01] <zeeshan> you fan boi!!
[21:46:11] <Sync> got the evo 6 rs rack in
[21:46:12] <XXCoder> ELIO!
[21:46:18] <Sync> dem 2.2 turns ratio
[21:46:18] <PetefromTn_> http://carpron.com/multisite/d/65384-1/Turbo+Colt.jpg
[21:46:26] <XXCoder> too bad I wont have it till in least 2017 after all $1000 reservers
[21:46:28] <zeeshan> oo that looks cool
[21:46:49] <zeeshan> Sync: i like that about mitusbishis in general
[21:46:53] <zeeshan> its very easy to swap parts between cars
[21:46:58] <Sync> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwabyPcvACc you know that CJ colt zeeshan?
[21:47:01] <zeeshan> cause they tried to make everything modular
[21:47:15] <zeeshan> no
[21:47:28] <zeeshan> Sync: you might appreciate this
[21:47:35] <zeeshan> i had a 4g64 block with a 4g63t evo8 head
[21:47:38] <zeeshan> lemme see if i can find a pic
[21:47:44] <PetefromTn_> https://fbstatic-a.akamaihd.net/rsrc.php/v2/y4/r/-PAXP-deijE.gif that is his Talon
[21:48:16] <Sync> his colt is pretty insane
[21:48:26] <Sync> but it sure is fun to drive
[21:48:29] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/2qsute9.jpg
[21:48:36] <zeeshan> sorry for the photobucket link, very old album
[21:48:40] <zeeshan> this motor was a beasttttttt
[21:48:50] <zeeshan> i had a gt35r bolted to it
[21:48:57] <zeeshan> but as you know
[21:49:08] <zeeshan> mitsubishi transmissions are just a fuse ready to blow.
[21:49:19] <zeeshan> (which is why i see youre looking at a diff 4wd system))
[21:49:29] <Jymmm> furrywolf: http://www.fire.ca.gov/communications/communications_ifyouflywecant.php
[21:49:30] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/0fRRInB.jpg
[21:49:34] <Sync> actually the guy runs a stock trans in that thing
[21:49:42] <zeeshan> Sync: for how long :)
[21:49:47] <furrywolf> I wish google maps would show roads in some color scheme other than grey on tan.
[21:49:47] <Sync> although from 3rd up it is straight gears EDM'd
[21:50:25] <Sync> and he has issues with the indicators popping out at 300kmh+
[21:51:01] <zeeshan> they usually blow right offf the line
[21:51:08] <zeeshan> or in between a shift from 1-2 or 2-3
[21:51:28] <Sync> that car is not made for standstill accel
[21:51:48] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: that is a monster turbo
[21:52:01] <zeeshan> yiou know your turbo is big
[21:52:05] <zeeshan> when you need additional support for it
[21:52:08] <zeeshan> other than the exhaust manifold
[21:53:07] <furrywolf> I've never wanted a turbo. maybe a supercharger, but not a turbo.
[21:53:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know right
[21:53:16] <furrywolf> something that only works at high rpm is pretty useless.
[21:53:18] <zeeshan> furrywolf: and thats why we never wanted you
[21:53:19] <zeeshan> :P
[21:53:24] <zeeshan> whats high rpm?
[21:53:30] <PetefromTn_> turbo FTW!
[21:53:31] <zeeshan> what kind of silly comment is that
[21:53:32] <zeeshan> coming out of you
[21:53:37] <zeeshan> ill let this one slide
[21:53:44] <Sync> but yeah the sadev setup is nice
[21:53:49] <zeeshan> Sync: how much?
[21:53:52] <zeeshan> looks like 10k+
[21:53:56] <Sync> 14k for the front box
[21:53:57] <furrywolf> I like low-end torque. :P
[21:53:59] <Sync> 7k for the diff
[21:53:59] <zeeshan> jesus
[21:54:02] <zeeshan> im way off
[21:54:09] <zeeshan> furrywolf: ever sat in a v8 with twin turbos?
[21:54:13] <Sync> + bellhousing
[21:54:18] <zeeshan> i can guaranteee 600ft-lb at 2000 rpm
[21:54:22] <zeeshan> all the way to redline
[21:54:31] <furrywolf> driving my new subaru the other day was so nice... crawling up a steep road at 1500rpm in 3rd gear... :P
[21:54:41] <zeeshan> Sync: too much $
[21:54:44] <zeeshan> you must be rich :P
[21:54:46] <zeeshan> i envy you
[21:54:55] <furrywolf> torque++
[21:55:15] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i could tow my subaru up a 60 degree incline
[21:55:30] <zeeshan> doing 0-60mph in 6 seconds
[21:55:33] <zeeshan> :P
[21:55:39] <Sync> zeeshan: gotta pay to play :/
[21:55:42] * zeeshan is just trolling now and talking out of his butt
[21:55:46] <furrywolf> new motors all seem to be about revs, with no low-end torque.
[21:55:55] <Sync> that is incorrect furrywolf
[21:56:00] <Wolf_Mill> my truck has the low end torque covered
[21:56:04] <Sync> all downsizing motors are about torque
[21:56:06] <Wolf_Mill> and has a turbo
[21:56:14] <zeeshan> furrywolf: youre thinking of gas efficient cars
[21:56:24] <zeeshan> most v8s make unnecessary torque
[21:56:34] <zeeshan> that ideally ican only be seeing used for towing
[21:56:38] <Sync> as the turbos are small enough to loose flow at high rpm
[21:56:42] <Wolf_Mill> hell, my car has torque plenty
[21:56:47] <furrywolf> my subaru ea81 has a torque curve that's flat all the way down to idle. peak torque is 1800rpm. it's so much nicer to drive. :)
[21:56:55] <roycroft> i drive a diesel car
[21:56:58] <roycroft> because
[21:56:58] <zeeshan> furrywolf: you cant say that
[21:57:01] <zeeshan> till youve driven a v8 tt
[21:57:02] <roycroft> well, you all know why
[21:57:05] <zeeshan> i drive both! :P
[21:57:05] <PetefromTn_> well I took back my waranteed brake pads and got some brand new headlights for the wife's SUV I gotta install now SIGH
[21:57:11] <roycroft> and it has a turbocharger
[21:57:17] <Sync> also the limiter is there to be used
[21:57:35] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: like the bulbs?
[21:57:37] <zeeshan> or the housing
[21:57:53] <furrywolf> my new-engined subaru's peak torque is 4500 or something stupid. it's not nearly as nice to drive. it has almost twice the horses... they're just in the wrong spot!
[21:58:16] <roycroft> i think my car's peak torque is like 900rpm or so
[21:58:23] <PetefromTn_> just the bulbs
[21:58:32] <furrywolf> roycroft: as soon as the subaru diesel is affordably available, I plan on getting one.
[21:58:44] <furrywolf> 280ftlbs. :)
[21:58:48] <PetefromTn_> SHIT my Astro van will smoke all of your asses ;)
[21:59:03] <Wolf_Mill> 236 lb-ft @ 1750 rpm on my car
[21:59:09] <furrywolf> I don't remember the specs for my truck, but redline is 4000. :)
[21:59:19] <Sync> although I'm not really after more power, 150hp from the 4g93 is plenty zeeshan
[21:59:26] <Sync> but I need AWD badly
[21:59:38] <PetefromTn_> TALON
[21:59:43] <furrywolf> I don't have AWD... I have 4WD. with low range.
[21:59:51] <Sync> not sold here PetefromTn_
[21:59:57] <PetefromTn_> gasp
[21:59:57] <furrywolf> I was thinking the other day on how to fit a crawler box to a subaru trans, and I figured out how.
[22:00:02] <furrywolf> I'll need to do that someday.
[22:00:27] <furrywolf> yes, without moving the engine or cv stubs. :)
[22:00:34] <PetefromTn_> I was thinking I might enjoy a Miata with a 13b big single setup
[22:01:13] <furrywolf> I can't do it until I have the capability of machining splined shaft adapters and properly heat treating them. I lack both the tools and skills for this.
[22:02:15] <Tom_itx> what generally causes following errors?
[22:03:04] <furrywolf> poor tuning, exceeding machine's capabilities, sticky ways/bearings/etc, marginal encoders, marginal cabling,...
[22:04:12] <furrywolf> I had to think hard on how to fit a crawler box to a subaru trans without moving the engine forwards or moving the trans back...
[22:04:57] <furrywolf> since the front shafts connect to the trans directly, you can't move it backwards, and the back output is only for the rear axle.
[22:06:37] <Tom_itx> maybe my rapids are too fast with the new TP settings?
[22:06:50] <Tom_itx> dunno if that affects that or not
[22:07:20] <Sync> zeeshan: do you know if 4g3x engine gearboxes will fit 4g9x stuff?
[22:08:52] <Wolf_Mill> crawler box in a sub? dont they move slow enough as it is?
[22:10:47] <furrywolf> Wolf_Mill: low range is 1.7:1, and there's not many differential gear options. 3.9 is standard, 3.7 is worse, and 4.1 is hard to get and not much better. they do have a nice low 1st gear, but the crawl ratio is still not great.
[22:13:22] <furrywolf> it's better than any other modern stock vehicle, but it's worse than a built crawler. :)
[22:13:36] <furrywolf> (excepting unimogs, but they don't really count as road vehicles)
[22:14:08] <Wolf_Mill> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/wolf.solutions/Pics/X-Swap/atlas/Atlas2.jpg crawler box IMO
[22:14:30] <furrywolf> yes
[22:14:39] <furrywolf> now try fitting one to a subaru. it's hard!
[22:14:49] * furrywolf has figured out how
[22:15:11] <furrywolf> and, no, I don't mean the nissan/sammy t-case trick. that requires too much lift.
[22:15:12] <Wolf_Mill> thats the atlas 3.8:1 box thats in my rock rig
[22:15:13] <XXCoder> I have seen ricious stuff
[22:15:20] <XXCoder> like fitting v6 in vw beetle
[22:15:26] <XXCoder> and still keeping orginial stock engine
[22:17:44] <furrywolf> if I do an engine swap on my truck, I'll go with dual t-cases.
[22:18:36] <Sync> hmm, it seems to fit although I don't know about the subframe :/
[22:19:03] <furrywolf> also, you can afford an atlas? those are stupidly expensive.
[22:19:29] <Wolf_Mill> that was in '05
[22:20:24] <furrywolf> s/can/could
[22:20:28] <XXCoder> whoa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2my4RMJZWM
[22:21:18] <Wolf_Mill> check that, was in 2002, total cost shipped was $2345
[22:22:26] <furrywolf> as I said, stupidly expensive.
[22:23:08] <Wolf_Mill> depends on what you are comparing the cost to...
[22:23:22] <furrywolf> more than the purchase cost of any of my vehicles? :P
[22:23:36] <Wolf_Mill> yeah then its a lot lol
[22:23:51] <XXCoder> worse would be all at once lol
[22:24:46] <Wolf_Mill> total I think I put $5k in to the total driveline swap on that truck, counting the motor/trans/tcase
[22:25:23] <Wolf_Mill> might have been $6k
[22:25:52] <furrywolf> yeah, that's a lot more money than I've spent on projects or hobbies, total, ever...
[22:26:36] <Wolf_Mill> dont want to see the price tag on my work truck then...
[22:29:05] * furrywolf concludes wolf is very wealthy
[22:29:14] <Wolf_Mill> I still have the truck w/ the v8 + atlas II in it sitting behind my shop, I'll probably pull the drive line next summer and drop it all in to my '69 bronco rust bucket project
[22:29:19] <Sync> depends on your definition of wealthy
[22:30:17] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, wouldnt say wealthy lol, just have some really big montly bills lol
[22:32:01] <Wolf_Mill> helps that the truck made $30k in one winter
[22:32:17] * furrywolf would call being able to spend 6k on a vehicle toy to be wealthy
[22:32:41] <furrywolf> 6k is more than a third of my annual income. disposable is much, much less....
[22:32:42] <Wolf_Mill> help more if the fucking county would ever pay the $20k thats still outstanding
[22:34:06] <Wolf_Mill> when I did that motor/trans/tcase swap, that truck was still my daily driver...
[22:36:38] <Tom_itx> would following errors have more to do with max_velocity settings or max_acceleration?
[22:36:58] <furrywolf> either
[22:37:18] <Tom_itx> that's not the answer i was looking for :)
[22:44:48] <XXCoder> furrywolf: it apparently made Wolf_Mill 30k in winter. not a toy apparently
[22:45:05] <XXCoder> but yeah many truck owners dont use trucks for... truck stuff like hauling
[22:48:13] <Wolf_Mill> the atlas and other stuff that was around $5-6k went in to a '93 explorer that was my daily driver for almost 10 years
[22:49:44] <Wolf_Mill> my work truck is a 2012 F550, first car that I have ever bought new
[22:50:32] <XXCoder> curious of CMM can be used with my cnc router
[22:51:53] <XXCoder> example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcVv1So1n_8
[22:52:05] <Sync> why not
[22:52:16] <Sync> accuracy is going to suck tho
[22:53:51] <XXCoder> jeez freecad crashed when I tried to delete one item
[22:57:01] <XXCoder> woot
[22:57:09] <XXCoder> freecad has boolean ops
[22:57:10] <XXCoder> missed that
[22:58:19] <furrywolf> I couldn't make freecad work.
[22:58:39] <XXCoder> freecad sucked worse on windows but on linux it seems ... well okay-ish
[22:59:01] <furrywolf> every time I got a part to a non-trivial stage it'd fail in some fashion. either outright crashing, or various menus not working, or rendering would break, etc.
[22:59:35] <XXCoder> just made pretty cool object by cube and sphere lol
[23:02:46] <XXCoder> do you know how to move center point of object?
[23:02:58] <XXCoder> for example I want cube to rotate from exact center not corner
[23:03:13] <furrywolf> no
[23:03:21] <furrywolf> I poked at it a while ago, and I have a bad memory. heh.
[23:11:25] <XXCoder> ok
[23:13:53] <Tom_itx> circumscribe a circle
[23:14:08] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/5216022869.html extra 0 much? lol
[23:14:37] <XXCoder> furrywolf: extra zero makes man go stiff. good for wife? lol
[23:14:52] <furrywolf> ?
[23:15:59] <XXCoder> bad joke
[23:16:43] <zeeshan> sync i think they do
[23:16:53] <zeeshan> but i only have experience with 4g6x motors..
[23:17:17] <zeeshan> ive only done a turbo kit for a 4g69
[23:23:26] <Wolf_Mill> dammit I hate single point threadinbg
[23:24:08] <XXCoder> furrywolf: honestly no matter how rare it is, if its expensive for what i want to do, I'm not buying
[23:24:14] * XXCoder is not a tool collector.
[23:24:17] <zeeshan> why wolf
[23:24:47] <rootB> hey linuxCNC
[23:24:58] <XXCoder> hey root
[23:24:58] <rootB> anyone here operates or owns a laser cutter?
[23:25:02] <rootB> Im interested in them recently
[23:26:18] <Praesmeodymium> I have a china blue box
[23:26:26] <Praesmeodymium> not recommended
[23:26:32] <rootB> Yeah, a lot of people dont recommend it.
[23:26:42] <rootB> I"ve been told to build a buildlog or lasersaur laser cutter
[23:27:05] <XXCoder> rootB: if you own a cnc router you could use laser head on it
[23:27:24] <rootB> im mostly interested in having a dedicated one
[23:27:27] <XXCoder> though there is large safety issues and you need to put something under par to take burns so surface dont get burnt
[23:27:31] <rootB> like the chinese blue box, just less chinese..
[23:27:40] <rootB> yeah that also.
[23:28:24] <Wolf_Mill> ok, maybe its not the threading but this POS lathe
[23:28:48] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:29:23] <rootB> So i guess im out of luck unless i buld mine right?
[23:29:27] <Praesmeodymium> I used to know a guy whose job it is to get the 3040 or 6040 lasers from china and replace a few parts tyo make it a decent machine and then they resell em. the controller and psu for sure, a new set of mirrors and a lens, and possibly the motors get replaced
[23:29:49] <furrywolf> not much left, then.
[23:30:01] <Praesmeodymium> a frame and a tube your gonna replace
[23:30:17] <XXCoder> yeah, basically frame box and vacuum system if any
[23:30:24] <XXCoder> box rather
[23:31:07] <rootB> so he kept the Praesmeodymium frame and that's it?
[23:31:28] <Praesmeodymium> frame, the mounts, the motion
[23:31:30] <Wolf_Mill> and I just fucked up the ball screw I was trying to thread... *(#*(U#$u8934
[23:31:48] <rootB> they use an epilog one in my workplace
[23:35:13] <rootB> making a laser cutter looks quite complex IMO
[23:35:39] <XXCoder> basically all you need is x, y, and small z to focus
[23:35:54] <XXCoder> unfortunately lot of risks related to laser itself
[23:35:55] <t12> so much tooling to buy
[23:36:01] <rootB> that's what i mean...
[23:36:04] <rootB> the risks related to the laser.
[23:36:34] <Praesmeodymium> high voltage, instant blindness, burns
[23:36:47] <XXCoder> laser googles
[23:36:59] <rootB> im mostly worried about the high voltage
[23:37:05] <XXCoder> for burns better to surround device
[23:37:26] <XXCoder> rootB: company?
[23:37:36] <XXCoder> if so, better go bit higher level than chinese boxes
[23:37:40] <XXCoder> and pay for it
[23:37:53] <rootB> what if..
[23:37:58] <rootB> I get one of these
[23:37:58] <XXCoder> whats you wanna do with lasers anyway
[23:37:59] <rootB> http://fslaser.com/Products/View/0
[23:38:08] <rootB> A lot of kids from college want to get laser shit cut.
[23:38:18] <rootB> and I've made several PCb's with laser too
[23:38:27] <XXCoder> pcbs can be milled
[23:38:50] <XXCoder> 3.5k
[23:39:08] <rootB> Im also thinking on making a fablab on a small garage my parents own
[23:40:47] <XXCoder> well chinese box may be fine if youre willing to fix some problems that WILL appear
[23:41:06] <rootB> I've heard that the chinese box you gotta replace all the electronics inside.
[23:41:18] <XXCoder> hvent bought one so dunno
[23:41:32] <rootB> Praesmeodymium would know
[23:41:40] <XXCoder> http://www.synthfool.com/laser/
[23:42:11] <Praesmeodymium> well mine its really a good idea if you want to use it... the controller card is closed source enough you only gt to use 1 or 2 programs
[23:42:23] <Praesmeodymium> I mean the laser has a usb security dongle
[23:42:37] <Praesmeodymium> plug it into the computer to make the laser run....
[23:44:27] <rootB> oh fuck
[23:45:04] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: that site menions it
[23:45:06] <XXCoder> crazy
[23:45:31] <Praesmeodymium> oh yeah and the card is limiting the motors to 12mms so its hard to not cut with it lol
[23:45:49] <Praesmeodymium> opposite of his problem after the new electronics
[23:46:54] <rootB> jesus
[23:46:56] <rootB> christ
[23:47:01] <rootB> this things a fucking fire hazard
[23:47:07] <Wolf_Mill> crap, I think this ball screw is still hardened even after grinding 2mm off the radius
[23:47:21] <XXCoder> rootB: laser = hazard
[23:47:27] <XXCoder> rootB: you have to manage it and all
[23:47:32] <rootB> no i mean
[23:47:38] <rootB> the wires and untight screws
[23:47:45] <XXCoder> oh yeah like I saif
[23:47:54] <XXCoder> you have to rebuild it basically
[23:47:59] <XXCoder> assuming tube is intact
[23:48:11] <XXCoder> probably replace its sucky controller board
[23:48:15] <Praesmeodymium> and those have no saefty features you should have in a sane machine
[23:48:24] <Praesmeodymium> lid interlock, water flow meter etc
[23:48:52] <rootB> fuck those 3000 dollars for the ful spectrum dont look bad at all now..
[23:49:25] <XXCoder> rootB: though theres cheap ones at aliexpress
[23:49:34] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/500mW-Desktop-DIY-Violet-Laser-Engraving-Machine-Picture-CNC-Printer/32362123797.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.11.FijJRM&ws_ab_test=201407_5,201444_6,201409_5
[23:49:43] <XXCoder> 247 bucks, but quite small
[23:49:54] <XXCoder> you have to build laser enclosure
[23:49:55] <rootB> they seem weaker than the
[23:49:58] <rootB> CO2 tubeo ne
[23:50:13] <XXCoder> well better for students I'd think
[23:50:40] <rootB> there's this guy I know
[23:50:48] <rootB> That built one on the US
[23:50:56] <rootB> thought the shipping will prob be like 200 dollars..
[23:50:59] <rootB> I'd prob need to talk to him
[23:51:27] <XXCoder> whats size you need
[23:51:34] <rootB> wouldn't it be USB limit me to certain programs since i wont be able to use a parallel port
[23:51:51] <rootB> http://fslaser.com/Products/View/0
[23:51:53] <rootB> this one's perfect
[23:52:37] <XXCoder> though its easy to just replace board with cheap one
[23:52:42] <XXCoder> that would be serial
[23:52:48] * Wolf_Mill thinks about throwing a lathe across the room
[23:52:51] <rootB> in thism achine?
[23:53:02] <XXCoder> building one is best for cheapness vs what you want
[23:53:16] <XXCoder> just build enclosure with windows that block laser
[23:53:25] <rootB> True
[23:53:43] <XXCoder> luckly laser do NOT need powerful motors
[23:53:48] <XXCoder> its not like milling
[23:54:14] <XXCoder> not even $200 lol http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-500mw-Large-Area-Mini-DIY-Laser-Engraving-Engraver/32456643169.html?s=p
[23:54:20] <XXCoder> TINY work space though
[23:54:38] <rootB> i'd talk to my friend
[23:54:44] <XXCoder> 210mm * 170mm
[23:54:47] <rootB> see how much he'll charge me and if he can
[23:55:18] <Praesmeodymium> acrylic even clear is great at blocking co2 frequency lasers. the spot when its burning wood still needs a proper welding shield to stare at
[23:55:37] <rootB> I'm a EE, but building it myself and owrking with HV spooks me
[23:56:18] <Wolf_Mill> just dont touch the HV when its powered
[23:56:33] <XXCoder> even better? build enclosure
[23:56:44] <XXCoder> rootB: I assunme you has cnc mill or router?
[23:57:11] <rootB> Yes
[23:57:15] <rootB> A router
[23:57:21] <rootB> Modified shapeoko 2
[23:57:24] <XXCoder> making enclosure is easy then
[23:58:59] <rootB> I'm all ok with working with mills and so but lasers.. they scare me.
[23:59:39] <XXCoder> the laser http://www.aliexpress.com/item/laser-pointers-for-guns-for-laser-engraving-machine-for-red-pointer-5v/2002549364.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.26.CNdc7x&ws_ab_test=201407_5,201444_6,201409_5
[23:59:52] <rootB> haha come on
[23:59:57] <XXCoder> it says its co2 type. bullsjhit