#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-09-08

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[00:13:39] <Jymmm> fuzzy resistor, is that like fuzzy logic?
[00:14:56] * furrywolf is very fuzzy
[00:17:49] * Jymmm grabs the gas powered sheers
[00:26:01] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[01:09:50] <SEL> I want one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3MxuklTfzk
[01:14:53] <Wolf_Mill> not too impressed
[01:28:02] <SEL> I'm sure they can make smaller ones
[02:18:13] <Deejay> moin
[03:16:43] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay
[03:17:05] <Deejay> hi pink
[03:18:25] <XXCoder> heys
[03:18:54] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: whats you working on?
[03:19:32] <Deejay> hi XXCoder
[03:20:04] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I can't talk about that.:)
[03:20:09] <XXCoder> lol ok
[03:21:06] <Deejay> ah, top secret stuff :)
[03:23:02] <pink_vampire> I have 3 stepper drivers on my table
[03:23:11] <pink_vampire> 1 arduino
[03:23:59] <pink_vampire> and 3 stepper motors
[03:24:24] <Wolf_Mill> so you're making a reprap milling router right :P
[03:24:46] <pink_vampire> no.. nema 23
[03:25:09] <pink_vampire> much better than reprap
[03:25:25] <XXCoder> reprap uses nema23, its a 3d printer thing
[03:25:45] <pink_vampire> reprap use nema 17
[03:26:02] <XXCoder> depends on design but usually yes
[03:26:33] <pink_vampire> cmm
[03:26:49] <XXCoder> oh yes remember you menioning that
[03:28:34] <pink_vampire> but I'm really bad in programming. so it's going to take me a-loooot of time.
[03:31:03] <SEL> I just ordered my spindle
[03:32:12] <XXCoder> nice
[03:32:14] <XXCoder> oh
[03:32:28] <XXCoder> SEL: whats you making?
[03:32:47] <SEL> I am building a mill
[03:33:12] <SEL> do you think 1200euro is a good price for a spindle ?
[03:33:35] <XXCoder> depends on spindle I guess
[03:33:46] <SEL> 3KW
[03:34:32] <XXCoder> wb
[03:34:48] <XXCoder> sel thats definitely strong but besides that dunno
[03:34:50] <pink_vampire> SEL: made in?
[03:35:25] <SEL> made in italy :-)
[03:35:53] <Sync> ohoh
[03:39:09] <pink_vampire> someone here know how to work with arduino?
[03:39:42] <Wolf_Mill> sorry, cut and paste coder here
[03:39:59] <SEL> I once made a sketch and program to command arduino via raspberry on usb
[03:40:46] <pink_vampire> I'm trying to make a forward and reverse to a stepper motor (step / dir) with 2 buttons.
[03:41:12] <Wolf_Mill> thats not in the examples?
[03:41:43] <pink_vampire> I have no idea
[03:41:44] <kengu> pink_vampire: that is pretty trivial and in the examples
[03:42:00] <kengu> the button part and then stepper part - just combine
[03:42:25] <SEL> yes, you read buttons with DigitalRead()
[03:43:11] <SEL> you write to the steppers with digitalwrite() or analogwrite()
[03:43:24] <pink_vampire> http://pastebin.ca/3155790
[03:44:00] <kengu> https://www.arduino.cc/en/Reference/Stepper
[03:44:20] <pink_vampire> this is my code,it's turn the motor 1 then and than flip direction
[03:44:45] <kengu> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=arduino+stepper+motor+button
[03:45:39] <kengu> i have actually done stepper motor control with arduino and some buttons.. some years ago
[03:46:04] <pink_vampire> kengu: but I'm working with step / dir driver - not h bridge as they show.
[03:46:18] <Wolf_Mill> that was my fall back plan if I couldnt figure out the cnc software lol
[03:46:21] <kengu> yeah. I did not have a h-bridge
[03:46:27] <Wolf_Mill> arduino + buttons
[03:46:54] <kengu> Wolf_Mill: I did it to test and demonstrate stepper motors
[03:47:24] <pink_vampire> i know how to controll the stepper.
[03:50:20] <pink_vampire> I don't know how to make the code that read the PBs and send forward or reverse but will ignore if if I'm pressing forward and reverse together
[03:57:04] <kengu> pink_vampire: so it is a simple coding problem
[03:58:03] <kengu> so forward when forward is pressed. revers when reverse is pressed. nothing when both are pressed and nothing when none is pressed?
[03:58:19] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: for a programer... and I'm not a programer...
[03:58:25] <kengu> pink_vampire: this is not the right channel for this question actually
[03:58:32] <XXCoder> sorry?
[03:58:37] <pink_vampire> kengu: **
[03:58:49] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: opps :)
[03:58:52] <kengu> but the same kind of example should be available if you google a bit
[03:58:57] <XXCoder> heh
[04:00:16] <ganzuul> All-caps variables on microcontroller C seem to usually be the actual registers.
[04:00:18] <kengu> pink_vampire: http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=236013.0
[04:01:08] <ganzuul> If you're doing realtime stuff, you might want to look at the implementation of methods like digitalwrite() since they could be doing housekeeping which is prone to locking.
[04:01:11] <pink_vampire> I know It's not the right place :) I'm trying to make it work my self (and with some help from google)
[04:01:47] <pink_vampire> ganzuul: no realtime just very basic code..
[04:01:52] <kengu> pink_vampire: http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=236013.msg1698673#msg1698673
[04:02:28] <ganzuul> You can get by with much simpler code sometimes by just skipping all those wrapper methods, (aka the API) and just juggling bits manually.
[04:02:42] <ganzuul> IMO doing it that way is also much more fun.
[04:03:32] <pink_vampire> If i would like to make it nice how much it cost to get it from real pogramer?
[04:04:07] <kengu> pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCrY1AxHHnE
[04:04:18] <ganzuul> Depends on your definition of 'nice' and 'real programmer'. There are lots of equal and opposite experts.
[04:04:19] <kengu> internet is full of solutions to your problem
[04:05:51] <ganzuul> Personally, I think a program is nice when it does exactly what is needed with minimal overhead. Others think you always need to build a cathedral and re-name every variable three times, while shaking chicken bones.
[04:06:26] <ganzuul> They call me a hack, I call them idiots.
[04:07:40] <pink_vampire> ganzuul: I'm basically need to jog to the center of the object, and give the area that i want to scan, and the resolution, and then the digitizer will start go up and down until it will make the whole mesh, the info will transmit in serial.
[04:08:19] <pink_vampire> how much it will cost to make the code for it?
[04:09:52] <pink_vampire> 6 buttons for jogging 1 button to start and stop, and 2 buttons for menu, and small lcd.
[04:10:46] <ganzuul> You need to debounce your buttons. That means a short delay before the button-press command is processed. I don't know how complicated your UI for the area and resolution is. But then you just do a bit of arithmetic, sanity checks, and maybe do ping-pong buffers for the data stream.
[04:11:34] <ganzuul> I have no idea about cost.
[04:11:40] <zeeshan> ?!
[04:11:53] <ganzuul> Don't even know where to begin with guessing cost.
[04:12:18] <pink_vampire> hi zeeshan
[04:12:23] <zeeshan> hi
[04:12:36] <kengu> there is that kind of project already online.. as I was reading about it some months ago
[04:13:45] <pink_vampire> ??
[04:14:55] <zeeshan> man first day of brand new job
[04:15:02] <zeeshan> and i had to get sick
[04:15:11] <zeeshan> fak you cold virus!
[04:15:42] <ganzuul> And they say viruses aren't sentient.
[04:15:58] <kengu> pink_vampire: http://diy3dprinting.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/diy-digitizer-with-detailed.html one project related
[04:17:54] <pink_vampire> kengu: mmm almost..
[04:19:09] <zeeshan> if you just need a generic version
[04:19:20] <zeeshan> not super accurate, but decently accurate
[04:19:22] <zeeshan> use 123d app
[04:19:30] <zeeshan> you take a bunch of pictures with your iphone/android phone
[04:19:37] <zeeshan> and it converts it to 3d.
[04:19:51] <zeeshan> you will need to do a scaling
[04:19:55] <zeeshan> and clean up extra triangles
[04:20:26] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/DojOfYa.jpg
[04:20:42] <zeeshan> recent thing i worked on.. weird shape
[04:20:55] <zeeshan> i tried to use traditional methods to get it in cad, but they were too complex.
[04:20:57] <kengu> pink_vampire: put the thing you are asking is close to what in reprap world is "bed auto level" if you need more google pointers
[04:21:06] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/LASITZ2
[04:21:15] <zeeshan> here's the object using 123dapp
[04:21:21] <zeeshan> (free by autodesk
[04:21:22] <zeeshan> )
[04:21:44] <Wolf_Mill> oh yeah, "auto bed level" which really doesnt level anything
[04:21:56] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/igYJlfo.jpg
[04:22:40] <kengu> Wolf_Mill: yeah but here pink_vampire is not trying to level but to probe surface
[04:23:16] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, all it does is makes a offset matrix
[04:24:07] <pink_vampire> zeeshan: NICE! how did you scan it?
[04:24:13] <kengu> cyclone-pcb router does the same thing in its software and greates nice image of the surface of the points. pretty close to what pink_vampire is trying to do
[04:24:19] <zeeshan> pink_vampire: you just take pictures
[04:24:20] <zeeshan> with your phone
[04:24:22] <zeeshan> no scanning..
[04:24:30] <zeeshan> download 123d app for your phone
[04:24:51] <zeeshan> http://www.123dapp.com/catch
[04:25:34] <pink_vampire> zeeshan: it is accurate??
[04:25:52] <zeeshan> yes
[04:25:56] <zeeshan> but the scale will be off
[04:26:11] <zeeshan> you will ned to rescale the whole thing by using a ruler or something to grab one dimension
[04:27:03] <pink_vampire> it will work on android 2?
[04:27:43] <zeeshan> check google play :P
[04:31:08] <pink_vampire> I will! thanks!
[04:41:49] <kengu> i am unsure what pink_vampire is trying to achieve
[04:49:18] <XXCoder> lol http://minimumble.thebookofbiff.com/2014/02/11/465-wings/
[04:52:38] <XXCoder> kengu: im pretty sure trying to make a 3d model of something
[04:56:30] <zeeshan> haha
[04:56:31] <zeeshan> @ image
[04:56:54] <XXCoder> zeeshan: yeah he has so many funny stuff. theres other slightly longer version maximumble
[04:57:12] <XXCoder> he also had Book of biff comic which is really funny but that one ended
[04:57:24] <XXCoder> I hope he evenually restarts the book of biff
[04:59:48] <Sync> I wonder how good it works for larger objects zeeshan
[05:00:00] <Sync> I need to digitize my front and rear bumpers
[05:00:30] <zeeshan> works pretty good
[05:00:38] <zeeshan> you need good lighting though
[05:00:42] <zeeshan> and glass will cause issues
[05:00:49] <zeeshan> you will need to cover it with masking tape
[05:00:54] <zeeshan> unless you have tints
[05:00:54] <XXCoder> zeeshan: so I can take pictures then make NC for it?
[05:00:57] <zeeshan> then you dont need naything
[05:01:02] <zeeshan> XXCoder: no
[05:01:08] <zeeshan> but you can 3d print it cause its a stl file
[05:01:24] <zeeshan> you can convert the triangles into solid model
[05:01:34] <zeeshan> but i dont suggest it cause its not smooth enough
[05:01:37] <XXCoder> actually theres this program that slices a 3d model into series of plates
[05:01:46] <XXCoder> so can build statue
[05:01:58] <XXCoder> something like that. might do that lol got a router to cut em up lol
[05:02:27] <zeeshan> i just know it was a pain in the ass without it
[05:02:30] <zeeshan> i kind of want a 3d scanner
[05:02:38] <zeeshan> or a faro arm!
[05:02:43] * zeeshan keeps dreaming
[05:02:51] <XXCoder> theres kinsect program
[05:02:58] <XXCoder> it seems quite effective
[05:03:08] <XXCoder> that is if you can find a kinect
[05:05:20] <zeeshan> man its going to take getting used to again
[05:05:28] <Sync> yeah zeeshan I think I'll get a faro arm for it
[05:05:42] <zeeshan> dress shirt and pants and tie
[05:05:43] <zeeshan> blah
[05:05:51] <zeeshan> first week of wearing this stuff you feel like a clown
[05:05:53] <zeeshan> then you get used to it
[05:06:04] <zeeshan> Sync: man i'd love to own a faro arm
[05:06:06] <zeeshan> they are super awesome
[05:06:31] <Sync> yeah
[05:06:49] <zeeshan> blah ebay says 5k
[05:06:49] <zeeshan> used
[05:07:22] <XXCoder> kinsect is surpising cheap now
[05:07:46] <zeeshan> whats kinsect
[05:07:52] <zeeshan> you mean kinect?
[05:07:55] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/bhp/xbox-360-kinect-sensor-only
[05:08:04] <Sync> I know where one exists without electronics
[05:08:23] <zeeshan> sync are you in germany
[05:08:56] <zeeshan> ugh gotta go
[05:08:57] <zeeshan> :P
[05:09:04] <Sync> yes zeeshan :P
[05:11:03] <Sync> also why wear a tie and dress shirt
[05:11:09] <XXCoder> zeeshan: you can build a 3d scanner with kinect
[05:11:10] <Sync> I'd not work somewhere where I'd have to
[05:33:45] <XXCoder> what the fuck https://youtu.be/luFgV4nuSxc
[05:44:39] <Deejay> lol
[05:45:08] <malcom2073> Heh best comment: "She hit the Y button by accident"
[05:47:08] <XXCoder> lol
[05:47:18] <XXCoder> though I just don't understand why she did that
[05:47:25] <malcom2073> Probably drugs
[05:47:29] <XXCoder> get out and not her problem
[05:47:31] <XXCoder> malcom2073: no drinking
[05:47:41] <XXCoder> she was drunk
[05:48:01] <malcom2073> That too
[05:48:06] <XXCoder> not "too"
[05:49:24] <Jymmm> WTF?!
[05:50:06] <XXCoder> she was released because no evidence of dui
[05:50:15] <XXCoder> drugs'd leave hell of evidence.
[05:50:15] <malcom2073> Yeah, so probably drugs
[05:50:29] <malcom2073> Unless they didn't check for drugs, just blow tested her
[05:50:59] <XXCoder> that is a possibility
[05:51:25] <XXCoder> lots wtf everywhere there
[05:53:06] <Jymmm> I like this guy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6acygQLg-HM
[05:53:48] <XXCoder> I still want capactor flashlight but still wont happen dor a while.
[05:55:07] <Jymmm> I have one of those shake ones
[05:55:44] <Jymmm> it uses a 1F cap
[06:02:01] <XXCoder> I wonder how many farads it takes to mke one that can last a hour or 24 hours
[06:02:16] <XXCoder> assuming one of 1w leds
[06:02:32] <Jymmm> make WHAT last 23h?
[06:02:37] <Jymmm> 24
[06:02:47] <XXCoder> one 1w flashlight
[06:04:34] <Jymmm> you could do the math I suppose
[06:04:52] <XXCoder> heh never was any good on electrics math. dunno why
[06:22:40] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Well, google says: 1 coulomb = 0.000277777778 amperes hour
[06:23:03] <XXCoder> w = Ah right?
[06:23:21] <Jymmm> No, Watt hours
[06:23:24] <Jymmm> Wh
[06:23:49] <Jymmm> So, to have a 1W flashlight run for 24 hours would be 23 WH
[06:23:56] <Jymmm> 24*
[06:25:23] <XXCoder> 86399.99993088 coulomb?
[06:25:26] <Jymmm> Watts = volts x amps
[06:25:39] <XXCoder> ahh
[06:27:34] <Jymmm> A 70W, 110V lightbulb: 70W / 110V = 0.636A or 636mA
[06:27:43] <fenn> rob ellenberg implemented negative adaptive feed earlier this year: http://i.imgur.com/0PhNYEd.png
[06:27:53] <fenn> it goes back 100 segments in exact stop mode
[06:28:17] <Jymmm> XXCoder: you could say 636mAh though
[06:29:39] <Jymmm> XXCoder: "... the coulomb is the equivalent of one ampere-second."
[06:30:22] <XXCoder> so thats where can get value for coulomb which is related to capactors?
[06:31:12] <Jymmm> XXCoder: so says wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb
[06:32:00] <XXCoder> 1 \text{ C} = 1 \text{ F} \cdot 1 \text{ V}
[06:32:05] <XXCoder> geez
[06:32:16] <XXCoder> C = F * V
[06:32:20] <Jymmm> XXCoder: but yo get from amp-secinds to amp hours you would need multiply by 3600
[06:32:49] <Jymmm> 3600 seconds in one hour
[06:35:28] <Jymmm> XXCoder: basic Ohms law
[06:36:24] <XXCoder> one 1w led uses 15 mA apparently
[06:36:25] <Jymmm> XXCoder: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Ohm%27s_Law_Pie_chart.svg
[06:37:32] <XXCoder> heh too tired to think though
[06:37:44] <Jymmm> no worries
[06:37:53] <XXCoder> thanks though
[06:39:40] <XXCoder> amazon is apparently making new tablets
[06:55:15] <XXCoder> LOL! design fail. http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/09/07/this-hilarious-cisco-fail-is-a-network-engineers-worst-nightmare/
[06:58:33] <XXCoder> night
[07:30:26] <Tom_itx> morning
[07:31:00] <skunkworks> Tom_itx, did you get your spindle issue figured out?
[07:31:09] <jthornton> morning
[07:31:15] <Tom_itx> not completely
[07:31:37] <Tom_itx> the sim runs as expected and interacts between tabs
[07:31:40] <Tom_itx> mine doesn't
[07:32:15] <Tom_itx> lathe sim.. it has spindle rpm
[07:33:14] <Tom_itx> tabs being manual control and MDI modes
[07:34:06] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, you mentioned you noticed similar behavior?
[07:35:46] <Tom_itx> jthornton, do you have 2.7 on something with a spindle?
[07:36:22] <jthornton> hmm the BP might be running 2.7, I'd have to check
[07:36:35] <Tom_itx> on mine with the machine at rest, i MDI S 200 M3 and the spindle runs at speed, when i switch to the Manual Control tab, it stops
[07:36:52] <Tom_itx> when i switch back to MDI, it starts up again
[07:37:06] <Tom_itx> the 2 tabs are non interactive
[07:37:30] <Tom_itx> anyway.. off to work. will read the log later
[07:37:45] <jthornton> I'm off to ride the trails a while
[07:38:29] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
[07:38:55] <Tom_itx> configs are there if you see anything odd. it's a mess as i was switching cards
[07:39:10] <Tom_itx> later..
[09:39:46] <magnifikus1> anyone got a tipp for the trajectory control? it seems to round my edges inregular
[09:39:58] <magnifikus1> so sharp corners are getting round
[09:40:02] <magnifikus1> but every time different
[09:40:12] <magnifikus1> even on the trace in linux cnc its different all the time
[09:40:32] <fenn> are you using G64 P ?
[09:41:07] <magnifikus1> nope all g1
[09:41:16] <fenn> it's not supposed to consistently round corners, it's supposed to go as fast as you commanded without slowing down too much
[09:41:33] <fenn> if you want rounded corners you have to program in arcs in the corners
[09:41:42] <magnifikus1> nah i want sharp corners
[09:41:59] <fenn> try G64 or G64 P0.001
[09:42:45] <magnifikus1> ah nice ty
[09:42:53] <fenn> er, G61 i mean
[09:43:18] <magnifikus1> G61 or G64 P0.001
[09:43:22] <fenn> right
[09:43:46] <magnifikus1> first steps :)
[09:49:21] <ssi> morn
[10:05:19] <skunkworks_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aYaHxT6ZnQ
[10:05:40] <skunkworks_> fenn: ^ video or GTFO?
[10:06:11] <DaViruz> ooh, that's pretty neat
[10:08:42] <ssi> whoa
[10:11:22] <skunkworks> Rob E is pretty darn smart.
[10:11:38] <lair82> pcw_home, you around?
[10:13:24] <lair82> skunkworks, have you ever dealt with updating the firmware on a smart serial remote card (7i71 exactly)?
[10:13:44] <skunkworks> not yet - sorry. what have you tried?
[10:15:24] <lair82> I downloaded the zipfile pcw posted in the email floating around right now about firmware outdated, and ran thru it, but I am still getting that the firmware is out of date.
[10:22:36] * SpeedEvil takes the nuclear approach to his storage issues.
[10:22:38] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221828281153?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[10:26:19] <DaPeace1> hey guys. anyone here that could give me a hint what kind of gcode-sequence i need to use the toolchange?
[10:26:39] <cradek> ?
[10:26:57] <ssi> Tn selects the tool, M6 executes the change
[10:27:49] <cradek> DaPeace1: this is the best place to start: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode.html
[10:27:52] <DaPeace1> i use aspire. ive remapped m6 so it measures the tool length. when i export only one toolpath , when m6 is called from gcode its measuring
[10:28:26] <ssi> maybe you should find a less important M code to map your measure routine to
[10:28:27] <cradek> heh I had guessed the question wasn't so simple
[10:28:52] <DaPeace1> but when i export 2 toolpath it tells me "nested command found" at the place where M6 stands the second time inside the gcode
[10:30:12] <DaPeace1> M6 is moving the mill to a change-point and after hiting ok it measures and moves to x0y0. thats all working but switching in a gcode-programm tells me "nested command found" at the place where m6t2 is called
[10:30:47] <DaPeace1> i use gmoccapy and ive edited the configs like described in the wiki of gmoccapy..
[10:31:29] <HSM> Did someone use 2.7.0 ?
[10:32:20] <cpresser> yes
[10:32:27] <skunkworks> HSM, what is your real question?
[10:33:03] <HSM> my problem is that i want to use pncconf in 2.7.0 and it didn´t start up
[10:34:04] <HSM> i can´t launch pncconf. I asked it in "LCNC 2.7.0 pncconf launch problem" Forum Thread.
[10:35:17] <DaPeace1> so nobody could help? the gcode-reference is not really telling me what "nested command found" really means and what command i need to "un-nest" the command...
[10:35:51] <skunkworks> HSM, can you open a terminal - run pncconf and pastebin the output?
[10:35:58] <HSM> JT said that pncconf need good hardware to start in few seconds. But I tested two pc systems and I can´t lanuch pncconf.
[10:36:04] <Wolf_> it should tell you what line the error is on
[10:36:08] <HSM> yes I allways did this
[10:36:39] <HSM> wait...
[10:37:20] <DaPeace1> Wolf ive M6 on line Nr 2 where it is ok and if i recall it 600 lines later to make a tool change it gives me an error.. :-/
[10:39:40] <Wolf_> odd, I just started using cnc, but all my messed up code, it would pop up the errors on loading w/ line number
[10:41:00] <DaPeace1> strange problem.. dont find any example-code that shows me how a toolchange is handled in gcode..
[10:41:06] <CaptHindsight> are there any Linuxcnc examples of Master/Slave servos configs where one servo drives the pinion and the other servo preloads to remove backlash?
[10:41:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.atlantadrives.com/systems1.htm 2 servos on one rack
[10:41:47] <cpresser> DaPeace1: does the M6 run some kind of sub-programm for the toolchange? perhaps the return from that sub is somehow faulty
[10:43:34] <ssi> CaptHindsight: interesting
[10:43:48] <ssi> wow this is misleading:
[10:43:53] <ssi> ATLANTA Drive Systems, Inc.
[10:43:53] <ssi> 1775 Route 34, Unit D-10
[10:43:53] <ssi> Farmingdale, NJ 07727
[10:43:55] <ssi> lol
[10:43:58] <CaptHindsight> heh
[10:44:10] <skunkworks> HSM, are you sure you are running 2.7.0?
[10:44:13] <DaPeace1> cpresser: yes. thats the one norbert has written in the gmoccapy-wiki
[10:44:35] <cpresser> DaPeace1: got a link?=
[10:44:52] <HSM> I launching stepconf with terminal yet and it starts then I launching pncconf with terminal and the Terminal said: "Traceback (most recent call last); File "/usr/bin/pncconf", line 53, in <modules> from pncconf import pages" ...... Import Error: No module named pncconf
[10:45:12] <CaptHindsight> ssi: another example http://www.servotak.eu/products/custom-products/zero-backlash-rack-pinion-gearbox-systems
[10:45:14] <DaPeace1> cpresser: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Gmoccapy#Auto_Tool_Measurement
[10:45:34] <HSM> skunkworks, yes but I will check it
[10:45:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.servotak.eu/products/custom-products/zero-backlash-ring-pinion-gearbox-systems
[10:46:22] <ssi> I bet creating the drives to do that is non-trivial
[10:46:34] <ssi> probably when you reverse direction it switches which motor is the primary drive
[10:47:30] <cpresser> DaPeace1: sorry, cant help you there. I have never done remapping
[10:47:51] <cpresser> but I suspect there error somewhere in the .ngc files that are called during M6
[10:47:57] <cpresser> could be as simple as a type
[10:48:12] <HSM> hm, if I launch axis it´s ver. 2.7.0-pre2. Should be 2.7.0 pre7 ?
[10:49:15] <cpresser> HSM: should be "2.7.0" without any 'pre'. check your installed packages
[10:49:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.machinebuilding.net/ap/a0558.htm TwinDrive rack-and-pinion system selected for gantry mills
[10:49:22] <Wolf_> HSM: update, 2.7.0 full is live as of 2 days ago
[10:50:38] <HSM> I loaded this: http://www.linuxcnc.org/linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso from here: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html (1. Download the Image)
[10:50:54] <HSM> where I can finde 2.7.0 ?
[10:51:07] <Wolf_> same link I think
[10:51:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.redex-andantex.com/more.php?id=336# the upper left pair look mechanically coupled
[10:52:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.redex-andantex.com/image/336_g.jpg
[10:52:33] <skunkworks> HSM, have you updated it at all? the iso comes with a ~pre version
[10:52:54] <CaptHindsight> http://www.redex-andantex.com/image/334_g.jpg
[10:53:05] <HSM> no, should I do?
[10:53:14] <skunkworks> yes
[10:53:17] <HSM> I just install the image
[10:53:39] <skunkworks> the iso is 2.7 just a bit dated. Update the install and you will get 2.7.0
[10:53:59] <skunkworks> then see if that fixes your issue. I don't know if there was pncconf issues with some of the pre versions
[10:54:41] <DaPeace1> cpresser: ive tried around a bit and i think i got it. seems that the comment before the M6 toolchange was wrong.. now it seems to work.. :-D
[10:54:50] <HSM> ahhh ok! I will do that. Thank you guys for Help!
[10:55:12] <skunkworks> pncconf: fix icon/image path error
[10:55:15] <skunkworks> maybe?
[10:59:42] <JT-Shop> JT 6, Rats 0
[11:02:32] <CaptHindsight> I don't think master/slave servo (electrical preload) with rack and pinion has been done yet with Linuxcnc
[11:03:02] <ssi> CaptHindsight: should be relatively simple to mock up, mechanically
[11:03:14] <CaptHindsight> unless my google-fu is poor today
[11:06:52] <CaptHindsight> (eyeroll) patented electrical process
[11:07:05] <ssi> using volts and things
[11:08:40] <CaptHindsight> 50,000kg of moving mass, repeatability = 5 microns; precision = 7 microns, with an acceleration of 1.8m/s2
[11:09:38] <CaptHindsight> work envelope of up to 14,500 x 5,000 x 1,500mm
[11:10:27] <CaptHindsight> 50ft x 16ft x 5ft
[11:11:07] <HSM> C
[11:11:09] <HSM> c
[11:11:09] <Sync> that's not bad
[11:11:15] <HSM> ups
[11:11:45] <Sync> but I'd rather do the preloading in the servodrive than in the control CaptHindsight
[11:11:53] <CaptHindsight> expansion over temp will be more than that
[11:12:31] <CaptHindsight> yeah, transparent to Linuxcnc
[11:14:05] <Sync> should be "fairly" easy to do
[11:14:20] <Sync> as you can control the torque pretty easily
[11:16:52] <ssi> CaptHindsight: would be interesting to whack something together with a 7i90 and a pair of 8i20 drives
[11:17:02] <ssi> offload all the preload control to the 7i90 firmware
[11:18:28] <lair82> PCW, pcw_home, you around?
[11:20:04] <pcw_home> yes
[11:21:16] <lair82> Good Morning, working on that 7i80 you updated the firmware on, got that loaded, its working, one question though,
[11:21:40] <HSM> ...I`m to stupid to find the real 2.7.0 download link
[11:22:54] <HSM> if this http://www.linuxcnc.org/linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso (first link in "Getting Linuxcnc") is 2.7.0 pre 2, where is 2.7.0 final?
[11:23:10] <cradek> let it install the updates it's prompting you about
[11:23:11] <Wolf_Mill> you install then update inside
[11:23:18] <lair82> It appears that I need to run "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" everytime I restart/shutdown the pc, to re-establish coms withthe 7i80. Any thoughts?
[11:23:59] <HSM> is there no chance to update it offline?
[11:24:23] <cradek> not right this second. you need a network connection.
[11:24:44] <HSM> :) okay good to know...
[11:25:25] <pcw_home> Sounds like networking is not setup properly
[11:26:43] <HSM> No, the first setups are without network. The setup yet has (slow) network
[11:27:08] <lair82> pcw_home hm2_eth: loading Mesa AnyIO HostMot2 ethernet driver version 0.2 iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. hm2_eth: ERROR: 10.10.10.10: Could not retrieve mac address hm2_eth: rtapi_app_main: Resource temporarily unavailable (-11)
[11:27:11] <Jymmm> Not sure if this is related or not.... UBUNTU OFFLINE UPDATES... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=572819
[11:27:18] <lair82> thats what it is saying
[11:27:41] <SEL> with my linuxcnc installation it doesn't recognize the network card, so I hadd it by hand, the driver name is e1000e, board is Intel 1000E
[11:28:19] <cradek> Jymmm: actually there's some offline stuff built into synaptic now. I'd try that first.
[11:28:41] <Jymmm> SEL: That's weird, that would be the very first card I would think it would recognize.
[11:28:44] <Jymmm> cradek: ah
[11:29:22] <HSM> 155 updates... time for coffee...
[11:30:04] <SEL> but it didn't, I added it by hand with modprobe ...
[11:30:31] <SEL> probably newer version of the board?
[11:31:57] <Jymmm> Please try booting the kernel with the pcie_aspm=off kernel parameter.
[11:32:39] <Jymmm> SEL: From: http://serverfault.com/questions/193114/linux-e1000e-intel-networking-driver-problems-galore-where-do-i-start
[11:32:52] <Jymmm> SEL: #12
[11:34:14] <Jymmm> SEL: Note the line addition to grub menu
[11:35:08] <SEL> but I think it is the installer that does not recognize the board, because once installed it works always and without problems
[11:36:05] <cpresser> lair82: please pastebin your /etc/networking/interfaces
[11:36:22] <Jymmm> SEL: I've seen some funky ass shit between booted from the cd (LiveCD) recognizing things, VS installed and shit no longer works, so I'm not surprised.
[11:38:00] <ganzuul> http://i.imgur.com/m2pyn9y.gif
[11:39:43] <lair82> cpresser, here it is, http://pastebin.com/R64hcSCz
[11:42:14] <cpresser> lair82: looks fine.
[11:42:28] <cpresser> lair82: whats the output of 'ifconfig' after boot?
[11:44:58] <lair82> http://pastebin.com/Yn8w0rHi
[11:45:16] <lair82> ifconfig doesn't work
[11:46:35] <lair82> going to grab some lunch, be back about 30 mins
[11:47:02] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx,
[11:50:17] <cpresser> lair82: that output also looks just fine. i dont quite understand the problem :/
[12:30:01] <lair82> cpresser, here it is when it is working, http://pastebin.com/UhRHVsV1
[12:31:00] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl5_wUVxRvw
[12:31:02] <SpeedEvil> I want one
[12:31:24] <SpeedEvil> cnc random 3d sheet pressing
[12:32:02] <SpeedEvil> well
[12:32:04] <SpeedEvil> bending
[12:32:09] <SpeedEvil> I dunno what to call it
[12:32:30] <SpeedEvil> english wheel is pretty close
[12:32:51] <pcw_home> lair82: is the 7I80 powered when the PC is turned on?
[12:32:57] <lair82> yes
[12:33:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.my-time-machines.net/Astro_intro7.jpg heh, winter project suggestion for idle hands
[12:34:09] <CaptHindsight> what is this idle time they speak of? :)
[12:34:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.my-time-machines.net/my_current_project3.htm
[12:35:02] <PetefromTn_> HOLY CRAP!!
[12:35:12] <ganzuul> wooah
[12:35:30] <ssi> SpeedEvil: coooool
[12:35:52] <Wolf_Mill> wow
[12:35:55] <SpeedEvil> Massive forces.
[12:36:04] <SpeedEvil> I do wonder about doing it with a hammer though
[12:36:34] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: that is very silly
[12:36:38] <ssi> good excuse to build a couple stewart platforms
[12:43:57] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop ?
[12:45:46] <lair82> pcw_home, would there be any reason that the firmware you gave me would not see the second 7i70 I have plugged into the 7i44?
[12:54:07] <JT-Shop> I tested the axis lathe sim in 2.6 and 2.7 and the spindle stays running...
[12:55:05] <Tom_itx> that's odd
[12:55:10] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: WOOHOO free energy!!!
[12:55:17] <_methods> sounds dangerous
[12:55:22] <Tom_itx> i don't know what would be in the config to cause that
[12:55:26] <JT-Shop> you got a bunch of stuff going on with your spindle
[12:55:32] <Tom_itx> well i know
[12:55:33] <pcw_home> lair82: Not as far as I know, all sserial FPGA firmware has been the same for at least 3 years or so
[12:55:42] <JT-Shop> open a watch window and watch the spindle pins
[12:56:00] <Tom_itx> some of that is just delays for the spindle reverse relays etc
[12:56:30] <Tom_itx> i watched the pins on the pendant and they're doing what they're supposed to
[12:57:21] <Tom_itx> as well as halui.spindle.stop / start which is used there
[12:57:42] <Tom_itx> those have to be set individually as one doesn't toggle the other
[12:58:53] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: and if you just watch like JT-Shop mentioned?
[12:59:46] <ssi> where the heck is zeeshan today
[13:00:29] <Wolf_Mill> Z is @ work
[13:00:35] <ssi> he got the job?
[13:00:41] <lair82> It looks like channel 3 and up on the 7i44 aren't active/recognized, I moved cards arond, and anything over address 2, does not exist.
[13:00:44] <Wolf_Mill> yup
[13:00:46] <ssi> cool
[13:01:12] <pcw_home> did you enable them in the hal file?
[13:02:02] <Tom_itx> ssi, he's back building electrical pannels
[13:02:11] <Tom_itx> or something to that effect
[13:02:26] * ssi buys copper commodities, as the world is likely to experience a shortage
[13:02:50] * JT-Shop goes to the poff
[13:03:50] <ssi> JT-Shop: I got my signoff from the FAA to take the A&P tests
[13:03:56] <ssi> now I just have to study like a madman and get it done
[13:03:59] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, would i watch the motion.spindle stuff or halui.spindle stuff?
[13:04:03] <JT-Shop> sweet
[13:04:10] <ssi> these tests are actually quite hard
[13:04:14] <JT-Shop> I'd watch the motion spindle stuff
[13:04:15] <ssi> it's like an everything engineering class
[13:04:38] <lair82> pcw_home, I don't follow, do you mean un-comment the relative lines?
[13:05:22] <pcw_home> no, I mean how many sserial channels are enabled in the hal file?
[13:05:32] <ssi> chapters in the general textbook: math, drafting, physics, weight&balance, materials processes and hardware, cleaning and corrosion control, fluid lines and fittings, inspection, hand tools and metrology, electricity, safety ground ops and servicing, publications forms and records
[13:05:39] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[13:06:02] <lair82> In my INI I have sserial_port_0=00000000
[13:06:26] <lair82> nothing in my hal though
[13:06:47] <Sync> sounds good ssi
[13:07:34] <ssi> it's comprehensive :P
[13:07:43] <Tom_itx> A&P mechanic?
[13:07:43] <ssi> normally people do this in a 2 year trade school heh
[13:07:44] <ssi> yeah
[13:08:21] <Tom_itx> i went thru that department when signing my kid up for Catia at their open house here
[13:08:42] <Tom_itx> pretty cool stuff
[13:09:01] <ssi> you have to either do a school program or have 30 months of work experience to get the FAA signoff
[13:09:36] <ssi> I was able to get a recommendation letter from another A&P to get my signoff
[13:09:48] <PetefromTn_> wish I could find a supplier online that would match my local prices INCLUDING shipping for the barstock I buy for these parts I make. It would save me driving to knoxville all the damn time LOL
[13:10:14] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I wish could find a metals supplier in atlanta that was cheaper than metal supermarket or mcmaster :(
[13:10:15] <Tom_itx> does that cover piston as well as jet?
[13:10:18] <ssi> Tom_itx: yea
[13:10:30] <ssi> I have no hands on turbine experience
[13:10:36] <ssi> that's one of the weak spots I'm having to study
[13:10:46] <PetefromTn_> never bought from mcmaster barstock
[13:10:54] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I buy a lot from them
[13:10:59] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, what metal?
[13:11:04] <ssi> actually I primarily buy materials from them these days because of the convenience factor
[13:11:58] <PetefromTn_> Holy crap they are expensive
[13:12:03] <ssi> yep
[13:12:12] <PetefromTn_> that is nearly double what I pay
[13:12:28] <ssi> you also sorta live next to where aluminum is born :(
[13:12:30] <PetefromTn_> and their shipping is ambiguous
[13:12:34] <ssi> oh I pick everything up
[13:12:45] <ssi> their shipping is reasonable for stuff that's not ups oversize
[13:12:47] <PetefromTn_> they sure as hell get it here quick tho
[13:12:52] <Tom_itx> ssi, that's the advantage of living in a aircraft town.. they teach it ALL here as well
[13:13:01] <ssi> sometimes I've ordered stuff that was too big and they courier it
[13:13:05] <ssi> Tom_itx: yes that's very true
[13:13:18] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-pieces-1-X-2-ALUMINUM-6061-FLAT-BAR-14-long-Solid-1-000-New-Mill-Stock-/350909104200?hash=item51b3d00048
[13:13:20] <ssi> there's a handful of schools that have A&P programs here
[13:13:23] <ssi> but I'm not going to school :P
[13:13:27] <PetefromTn_> this is kinda what I was looking for
[13:13:36] <PetefromTn_> but it is a bit too much
[13:14:35] <Tom_itx> shipping from anywhere would probably drive the cost above local suppliers
[13:14:37] <ssi> mcmaster would be about twice that price it looks like
[13:14:48] <lair82> pcw_home, did you mean in my INI or hal file?
[13:15:03] <ssi> I dunno what metal supermarket would cost because the only way to get a price is to call them and have them quote it which is a pain
[13:15:06] <PetefromTn_> twice the price PLUS shipping
[13:15:12] <ssi> I pick everything up :P
[13:15:22] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, i dunno if these guys ship metal or not http://www.yardstore.com/index.htm
[13:15:31] <PetefromTn_> If I wanted to pick it up I would not be whining about it LOL
[13:15:33] <ssi> Tom_itx: I want to go to the yard store so bad :(
[13:15:38] <roycroft> i need a bunch (~75) 1/8" ss pins that are 1-1/2" long
[13:15:45] <roycroft> i was going to buy a ss rod and chop it up
[13:15:57] <Tom_itx> ssi, have a look around :D http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/local_stock/stock_index.php
[13:15:58] <roycroft> mcmaster had them pre-cut though - it cost me $30 for 75 of them
[13:15:59] <ssi> roycroft: not worth the effort
[13:16:05] <lair82> PetefromTn_ have you looked at Alro?
[13:16:22] <roycroft> i ordered them thursday and they are out for delivery today
[13:16:41] <ssi> $3.71 for 10 18-8 1/8x1.5" dowel pins
[13:16:44] <pcw_home> lair82: it depends sometimes its done in the .ini (config as a ini parameter) some times in hal
[13:16:45] <PetefromTn_> ideally they sell 12 inch pieces and the drop would only be like an inch and a half on those
[13:16:54] <PetefromTn_> lair82 no never heard of em
[13:17:01] <lair82> Alro Steel
[13:17:08] <PetefromTn_> oh this is aluminum
[13:17:11] <lair82> They carry everything
[13:17:12] <ssi> Tom_itx: :'(
[13:17:14] <Wolf_Mill> I hate mcmaster....
[13:17:31] <PetefromTn_> I love Mcmaster...but they are not the cheapest usually
[13:17:39] <Wolf_Mill> I spend too much when I order from them :)
[13:17:51] <lair82> http://www.alro.com/
[13:17:58] <PetefromTn_> when it absolutely positively has to be here overnight LOL
[13:18:18] <roycroft> oh, yeah
[13:18:23] <roycroft> i bought 7 packs of them
[13:18:27] <roycroft> so 70, not 75
[13:18:34] <roycroft> it came to $32.21 including shipping
[13:18:38] <Wolf_Mill> half of the bearings, all the couplers on my mill are from mcmaster
[13:18:43] <lair82> pcw_home, I have always had it in my INI, under the [HOSTMOT2] section.
[13:18:51] <ssi> lair82: not in my state :'(
[13:18:59] <ssi> or pete's for that matter
[13:19:18] <lair82> Not in your state, but they UPS/Fedex just about anything
[13:19:25] <ssi> but at least there's twelve of them in michigan! :'(
[13:19:33] <ssi> UPS isn't practical for a lot of metal orders
[13:19:38] <roycroft> grainger are cheaper than mcmaster, generally, but i'm still unable to purchase from them
[13:19:43] <ssi> roycroft: bullshit
[13:19:46] <roycroft> they continue to demand my state tax id number, which i don't have
[13:19:50] <ssi> grainger is always 50-100% higher than mcmaster
[13:19:57] <roycroft> because my state has no sales tax
[13:20:00] <ssi> and they don't stock anything
[13:20:22] <roycroft> my experience pricing things at grainger is limited for the reason stated above
[13:20:32] <lair82> They can also ship via LTL freight carriers,
[13:20:34] <roycroft> but i have found them to be less expensive on the occasions i've attempted to purchase from them
[13:20:43] <roycroft> it doesn't matter, since they are not interested in my business
[13:20:47] <roycroft> mcmaster are fine
[13:20:59] <roycroft> if i have a lot of time to shop around i can often beat mcmaster prices
[13:20:59] <PetefromTn_> never had much luck with graingers pricing eitehr
[13:21:19] <roycroft> but mcmaster are always competetive, and i don't have to waste my time shopping around
[13:21:29] <roycroft> time is money, even when one has more time than money
[13:21:40] <Wolf_Mill> I dont think anything is ever cheaper at graingers
[13:21:44] <PetefromTn_> last I ordered this 1x2 barstock from the local guy it was like $108 for a 12footer
[13:22:02] <ssi> PetefromTn_: that'spretty cheap
[13:22:04] <PetefromTn_> which is like 9 bucks a piece for my parts..
[13:22:08] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is
[13:22:21] <PetefromTn_> but they are way up in knoxville,,,maybe a twenty minute ride
[13:22:29] <ssi> god you're so spoiled
[13:22:31] <PetefromTn_> was hoping to find an online source I can just order
[13:22:31] <roycroft> i'm fortunate to have a really good metal yard close to my house
[13:22:41] <roycroft> i only order tiny bits of exotic metals online
[13:22:41] <PetefromTn_> am I LOL
[13:22:41] <ssi> it's a twenty minute ride for me to get to a restaurant that isn't fast food
[13:22:44] <pcw_home> lair82: so how many sserial channels are enabled in the ini file?
[13:22:49] <Wolf_Mill> I'm bummed, my local metal supply closed down (local = 45min drive)
[13:22:51] <ssi> mcmaster is 45 minutes
[13:23:01] <roycroft> we have a local grainger, but not a local mcmaster
[13:23:08] <lair82> I have all of them set with a "0"
[13:23:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah but you got that amazing mileage car so no worries LOL
[13:23:15] <roycroft> if i really need something from mcmaster right now i can get it overnight
[13:23:24] <pcw_home> all 8?
[13:23:25] <roycroft> but they're usually 2 days out ground
[13:23:29] <Wolf_Mill> hah, 11mpg in the truck
[13:23:32] <roycroft> which is fine almost all the time
[13:23:43] * roycroft has learned not to be in a hurry
[13:23:47] <PetefromTn_> ordered a new torch for my Tig welder... got another WP17F flex head unit and a shiny new handle ;)
[13:24:02] <lair82> Yes, I turned all of them on, and moved on of the cards to ports 4 and 5, and it is not recognizing them.
[13:24:11] <PetefromTn_> I have a HUGE pile of aluminum chips on the floor out in the shop right now... LOL
[13:24:19] <Wolf_Mill> but I miss that supplier cause they used cnc bandsaws for their cut service
[13:24:23] <PetefromTn_> I HAD this guys number that said he would recycle it for me
[13:24:39] <PetefromTn_> but now I cannot find his damn number
[13:24:46] <PetefromTn_> WAAHHHH
[13:25:01] <pcw_home> how do you know its not recognising them?
[13:25:32] <PetefromTn_> that's 20 minutes one way BTW
[13:26:19] <ganzuul> Do you need special plumbing stuff for dumping solvents, WD-40 etc. into the drain?
[13:26:46] <ganzuul> Or is it just somebody else's problem when it goes down?
[13:26:46] <pcw_home> in most places thats a crime
[13:26:57] <ganzuul> Not bucketloads.
[13:26:59] <PetefromTn_> you dumping WD40 I will take some LOL
[13:27:24] <ganzuul> Say washing tools with some kinda solvent.
[13:27:51] <ganzuul> Or swarf juice.
[13:27:53] <lair82> I checked the wiring, swapped patch cables, moved cards, moved ports, and anything on port 3 or higher, it just says, "./tommanual.hal:65: Pin 'hm2_7i80.0.7i71.0.3.output-00' Does not exist"
[13:28:48] <pcw_home> linuxcnc starts?
[13:30:22] <lair82> No, it puts out that fault, then shuts back down
[13:31:54] <pcw_home> I would make a minimal hal file (with no I/O) and see what pisn you have and whether you have a green light on the remotes
[13:36:17] <magnifikus> fenn: worked perfectly
[13:36:35] <magnifikus> thought my picnc2 is total cheese first
[13:46:22] <lair82> pcw_home, I hacked everything out of my hal file, regarding the pins/signals, started linuxcnc, opened another terminal ran "halcmd show all" and I see nothing in regards to the 7i71 that is plugged into channel 3 on the 7i44. Just a red led on the card as well.
[13:46:55] <lair82> It was the same scenario when I had one of my 7i70's plugged into channel 3
[13:52:06] <ssi> lair82: if you swap the channels that they're plugged into does the failure stay with the channel or follow the daughterboard?
[13:52:29] <lair82> Stays with the channel
[13:54:06] <lair82> I gave me this just now, http://postimg.org/image/hqfqhw3t1/
[13:54:11] <lair82> it gave me
[13:57:13] <pcw_home> lair82: the doit not cleared error indicates a real time issue with your host CPU
[13:59:16] <pcw_home> I'll try that bitfile here when I get a chance, its possible that theres bug in the bitfile or hm2_eth with more than 4 sserial channels
[13:59:58] <Jymmm> eth, as in the new(er) ethernet fpga card?
[14:00:26] <pcw_home> Yes
[14:00:32] <Jymmm> k
[14:00:44] <lair82> I just moved it to channels 5,6,7 and it still doesn't see the 7i71
[14:01:17] <pcw_home> channels 0,1,2,3,4 disabled in config?
[14:02:14] <pcw_home> 1 KHz servo thread?
[14:04:09] <lair82> I just disabled "x" everything but channel 6, which is where the 7i71 is plugged into, and now I don't see any daughter cards
[14:05:40] <pcw_home> I'll see if i can duplicate a sserial issue here sometime today
[14:17:09] <ganzuul> Is sending blocks of steel out to be precision ground expensive?
[14:19:22] <ssi> lol that's about the least specific question you could ask
[14:20:10] <archivist> ssi did you see my mention, the filing machine has filed :)
[14:20:18] <ssi> archivist: no I missed that! how's it doing?
[14:20:57] <XXCoder> ganzuul: dunno but maybe try get quote from a couple just to get baseline
[14:21:03] <archivist> back together and working http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=filing+machine
[14:21:35] <ssi> that's a big machine! I didn't get a sense of scale from the earlier pictures
[14:21:39] <archivist> need to make the belt guard and support arm
[14:21:57] <XXCoder> do it file up and down?
[14:22:10] <archivist> files on the down stroke
[14:22:17] <ganzuul> ssi, XXCoder: I take it the price can vary wildly..
[14:22:36] <ssi> oh never mind it's the New Wonder machine you're talking about
[14:22:43] <ssi> I was looking at that top machine
[14:23:15] <archivist> that if just a museum machine I spotted
[14:23:37] <ssi> ganzuul: I was mostly referring to the fact that "blocks" can mean two or two thousand, "steel" is all over the place, "precision" can mean to .001" tolerance or to .00001" tolerance, and "expensive" is wildly subjective :)
[14:24:03] <ssi> not to mention the complexity of the grind you need and the size of the blocks
[14:26:14] <ganzuul> I'm looking into how one might turn one of these 7x1# Chinese lathes into a rather good horizontal mill.
[14:26:17] <_methods> every 0 you add to the tolerance adds a 0 to the price
[14:26:33] <ganzuul> Those milling attachements seem like they'll just wobble horribly.
[14:26:54] <ssi> ganzuul: here's a good place to start
[14:26:54] <ssi> http://www.statecollegecentral.com/metallathe/
[14:26:58] <ganzuul> Meanwhile the lathe looks a lot motr rigid
[14:27:52] <ganzuul> ooh... cross slide with T-slots. duh
[14:28:28] <ganzuul> I'd like to turn the angle on the cross slide with a crank, too.
[14:28:40] <Sync> I need to make a cross slide with tslots for my lathe
[14:32:06] <ganzuul> Maybe there's enough material in this to mill some in... http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machine-Spares/Super-C3-Mini-Lathe-Spares#SC3-37-Cross-Slide
[14:32:16] <Wolf_Mill> chinese 7xwhatever would be a poor host to convert IMO
[14:32:26] <ganzuul> Oh?
[14:32:50] <ssi> has all the mass and rigidity of a chinese benchtop drill press :D
[14:32:52] <Wolf_Mill> take a look at how the carrage is held to the ways
[14:33:26] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/Ly9F51I.jpg
[14:33:47] <archivist> ganzuul, start with a real old horizontal mill
[14:34:17] <Wolf_Mill> ^ should cost less then the new cost on a hobby lathe
[14:35:08] <andypugh> Wolf_Mill: That’s actually quite a conventional way to do it. I don’t like it as much as a tapered gib, but many quite high-quality machines have that arrangement. Mainly on lathe cross-slides, I have to admit.
[14:35:55] <Wolf_Mill> the cast iron plate with the offset set screws to hold it off some? (and break it in 3 peices)
[14:36:01] <archivist> an example small one http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=small+horizontal+milling+machine
[14:36:12] <ganzuul> Wolf_Mill: You can replace that part with a brass one
[14:36:12] <andypugh> In fact my Rivett lathe is done like that, and if there was ever a lathe built up to a quality it it that.
[14:36:18] <archivist> unknown maker
[14:37:11] <Wolf_Mill> I put acetal strips under the busted chewed up iron gibs
[14:37:23] <ganzuul> archivist: That thing looks very wobbly.
[14:38:45] <archivist> for small work it would be fine
[14:39:37] <ssi> ganzuul: you'd be better off building the gingery machines than trying to convert a 7x
[14:43:44] <ganzuul> :(
[14:44:04] <ganzuul> I can't find any of those exotic antiques here.
[14:44:27] <ganzuul> People just treat them as problematic trash.
[14:44:40] <ssi> wouldn't that work in your favor? :P
[14:47:16] <ganzuul> Well there's stuff like this: http://www.keltainenporssi.fi/search/tyokalut-laitteet-ja-koneet/metallintyostokoneet/revolverisorvi/search.mec?pob_post_id=36247929&pob_action=show_post&pob_cat_id=10794&pob_browser_offset=0&pob_view_language_id=fi&search_X_cat_ids=10794
[14:48:05] <ssi> that looks like fun
[14:48:10] <archivist> an ole emi mec plug board lathe
[14:48:21] <archivist> english
[14:48:43] <archivist> very early automated capstan
[14:49:07] <ganzuul> I don't think the elevator can handle it.
[14:49:42] <archivist> http://www.emi-mec.eu/index.php5
[14:51:40] <ganzuul> 1143kg
[14:52:12] <lair82> How do I look at the logs to see previous conversations?
[14:52:14] <archivist> move to a grown floor place with space for a workshop
[14:52:21] <archivist> ground
[14:53:14] <ganzuul> hmh... Elevator takes 240kg max.
[14:54:17] <archivist> you need concrete floors for proper toys :)
[14:54:42] <ssi> yeah machine shops aren't for apartment dwellers sadly
[14:57:08] <ganzuul> That's why I need something like the 7x.
[14:57:46] <archivist> or stick to much smaller machines
[14:58:43] <ganzuul> ?
[14:59:08] <Wolf_Mill> I would almost take a taig lathe before a 7x thing
[14:59:24] <archivist> watch and clockmakers lathe sizes
[14:59:44] <ganzuul> oh...
[14:59:47] <archivist> all depends on what you want to make
[14:59:59] <ganzuul> Giant robots.
[15:00:32] <archivist> they dont fit in your living space either
[15:01:08] <ganzuul> When I have a giant robot I can live wherever the hell I want.
[15:01:17] <ganzuul> It's just a catch-22 thing...
[15:05:52] <CaptHindsight> is anyone getting close to the rated life of their screw in CFL bulbs?
[15:06:34] <Wolf_Mill> ones in my shop are startign to burn out after 5yrs or so
[15:06:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.bulbs.com/product/13W-2700K-SPIRAL?RefId=46 most so far seem to get maybe 2x of the incandescent they replaced
[15:07:51] <CaptHindsight> maybe these are all Ikea, Home Depot, Menards etc low price "specials"
[15:08:09] <XXCoder> 2x lumens?
[15:08:30] <CaptHindsight> 2x the life of the incandescent lamps they replaced
[15:08:44] <XXCoder> ah
[15:08:50] <XXCoder> I went led years ago
[15:08:53] <XXCoder> love em
[15:09:35] <CaptHindsight> I usually just fumble around in the dark or read by monitor light
[15:09:44] <_methods> lol
[15:09:47] <XXCoder> heh
[15:16:57] <PCW> lair82: cant see any problem here, same FPGA card, same bitfile (7i80hd_16_rmsvss6_8.bit) linuxcnc 2.7 pre6 5 sserial daughtercards
[15:16:59] <PCW> http://filebin.ca/2EyWKZWDfCem/lots_of_pins
[15:17:01] <PCW> (lots and lots of pins because that's 4 Ethernet FPGA cards running at once. The 7I80.0 is the one with your config and the 7I44 and 5 sserial remotes)
[15:18:03] <ganzuul> No, I definitely prefer the 7x over the Taig.
[15:18:27] <andypugh> PCW: Have you tried daisy-chained 7i90s? I am curious if the driver can handle it. I rather suspect not.
[15:18:56] <CaptHindsight> PCW: do you recall anyone using servos in master/slave to eliminate lash electronically with the 8i20 or similar?
[15:19:36] <CaptHindsight> 2 servos as master/slave pinions on the same rack
[15:19:40] <PCW> andypugh: there's no support for hm2 serial over hm2 (PCI/EPP/Eth)
[15:20:33] <andypugh> I was thinking about hm2_eth to a second 7i90 runing as a sserial remote, conected to a 7i44, connected to 4 x more 7i90…
[15:21:24] <PCW> probably better to run the first as a hm2_ser device
[15:22:38] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: yes, about China (from a couple days ago)
[15:23:02] <andypugh> I need to find a source of cheap 50mm tritium glow-vials
[15:23:34] <andypugh> Well, I don’t _need_ to. But I want to.
[15:24:01] <Jymmm> andypugh: What, looking for 100 year lighting now?
[15:24:11] <andypugh> Well, a few decades
[15:24:30] <PCW> CaptHindsight: I've seen designs that do that but not with linuxcnc
[15:25:58] <Jymmm> andypugh: $12 USD looks about the cheapest right now
[15:26:10] <andypugh> Jymmm: Where?
[15:26:19] <Jymmm> andypugh: https://www.fasttech.com/search?tritium
[15:28:31] <Jymmm> andypugh: how many you want?
[15:28:35] <andypugh> 23
[15:28:42] <Jymmm> green?
[15:28:50] <Jymmm> 30mm okey?
[15:29:14] <andypugh> No, needs to be at least 50mm. And ideally just the bare vial.
[15:29:51] <Jymmm> 100mm ?
[15:29:55] <Jymmm> 80mm ?
[15:30:04] <andypugh> I could work with 100mm.
[15:30:17] <andypugh> But 50mm-75mm would be ideal.
[15:30:48] <jdh> I have screw in cfl that last half or less as long as incandescent
[15:31:08] <andypugh> You know they are technically illegal in the US without a radioactives license?
[15:31:30] <Jymmm> andypugh: But I can buy CS-137 in the US no problem
[15:31:41] <_methods> 100mm vials?
[15:31:54] <Jymmm> andypugh: http://www.banggood.com/buy/tritium.html
[15:31:57] <_methods> oh nm 50-75
[15:32:08] <_methods> that'll get you put on a list real quick lol
[15:32:13] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: no sense to try and putting any sense to it
[15:32:21] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: =)
[15:32:35] <CaptHindsight> with the war on common sense and all
[15:32:52] <Jymmm> s/war/extinction/
[15:33:32] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: what for?
[15:33:37] <andypugh> http://www.banggood.com/5x80mm-Trit-Vials-Tritium-Self-luminous-15-Years-p-933245.html is about right, but this project isn’t worth £860 to me...
[15:33:38] <_methods> dirty bomb
[15:33:49] <andypugh> For a digital clock
[15:33:59] <Jymmm> _methods: I thought that's what old smoke alarms were for?
[15:34:00] <_methods> lol
[15:34:13] <_methods> tritium vials will work too
[15:34:14] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: you mean to illuminate?
[15:34:19] <_methods> that's why the watch them
[15:34:40] <andypugh> SpeedEvil: No, to be the segments
[15:34:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.banggood.com hmm I wonder if they know what that sounds like
[15:34:42] <_methods> you buy a lot of tritium you can be sure some one is looking
[15:35:14] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: those are very unbright you know
[15:35:21] <SpeedEvil> they will be barely visible in normal light
[15:35:26] <andypugh> That’s OK.
[15:35:48] <andypugh> There will be refective contrast in normal light
[15:35:49] <CaptHindsight> "only visible in abnormal light"
[15:36:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: CS-137 $85 http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_5&products_id=819
[15:40:50] <Jymmm> andypugh: No mention of licensing that I see... http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_34&products_id=1138
[15:41:16] <CaptHindsight> "Perfect for space flight " I'll keep that in mind
[15:42:14] <Jymmm> Oh that's not too bad ($140 USD)... http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_34&products_id=1128
[15:44:22] <Jymmm> Heh, at least they have a sense of humor... http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_34&products_id=1118
[15:48:02] <Jymmm> BRAND NEW flame thrower anyone??? http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_34&products_id=1134
[15:48:35] <XXCoder> jezz
[15:49:11] <Jymmm> Now, if they had a pocket version...
[15:49:43] <andypugh> Jymmm: http://depletedcranium.com/?reqp=1&reqr=nzcdYaEvLaE5pv5jLv5brN==
[15:51:30] <Jymmm> andypugh: internal error - server connection terminated
[15:51:55] <andypugh> Oh. It was there last week…
[15:52:33] <andypugh> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:26HjmRcmhZcJ:depletedcranium.com/my-attempt-to-import-tritium-key-chains/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=safari
[15:59:52] <Jymmm> OH those bastards... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Luminous-Tritium-Free-Glow-in-the-Dark-Rubber-Keychain-Fob-Lanyard-Made-in-USA-/321796719515?var=&hash=item4aec94439b
[16:07:03] <XXCoder> yeah tritium free :P
[16:07:28] <XXCoder> Jymmm: aliexpress has bunch of tritium
[16:08:27] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: yeah, but mostly small vials
[16:08:31] <XXCoder> indeed
[16:08:41] <CaptHindsight> have to find the source
[16:09:18] <CaptHindsight> every flashlight and glow-in-the=dark stick vendor will be claiming to have it since "it glows doesn't it?"
[16:10:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Glow-Non-Stop-For-Decades-Big-TRITIUM-Isotopes-Vials-80mm-Long-BIGGEST-ON-EBAY-/261995816474
[16:10:21] <CaptHindsight> 39,99 GBP
[16:11:35] <XXCoder> 3 inch long not bad
[16:16:15] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ablogtowatch.com/how-glow-dark-tritium-gas-tubes-made-mb-microtec/
[16:20:05] <chris_99> you can get little tiny tritium power source chips, although their current output is v. low
[16:22:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.rctritec.com/index.php?id=30 but someohow I don't think you can just show up and ask them to fill a jug for you
[16:25:05] <Deejay> gn8
[16:29:19] <ganzuul> Radium is a more potent beta source
[16:35:06] <PCW> and besides is a nice calcium analog so get cheerfully built into your bones
[16:37:06] <ganzuul> \o/
[16:38:08] <andypugh> I emailed “Tritium Glow” (who is in the UK) and they only have very limited stocks of the big ones, the maker closed down.
[16:40:32] <chris_99> have you seen http://www.betalight.nl/ too
[16:46:00] <andypugh> email sent. I expect a very expensive response.
[16:47:43] <ganzuul> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-1-piece-Automatic-light-25-years-6x143-mm-tritium-tube-betalight-for-keychain-Survival/32446318101.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.61.CA1FBF&ws_ab_test=201407_2,201444_6,201409_5
[16:48:41] <andypugh> You are all doing very well at finding more expensive ones than Tritium Glow on eBay, who said they could do them at £20 each for the number I want
[16:50:05] <CaptHindsight> I think we even found more expensive ebay listings from that seller
[16:52:12] <ganzuul> Nuclear proliferation is obviously close to everyones' hearts.
[16:52:40] <ganzuul> Random nuclear fact! Purified boron-11, also known as depleted boron, is used for borosilicate glasses in rad-hard electronics.
[17:03:35] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: now, work out the radiological depreciation per year :)
[17:14:26] <ganzuul> \o/!
[17:14:29] <ganzuul> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton%E2%80%93boron_fusion
[17:14:39] <ganzuul> I need this for my mad science lair.
[17:22:08] <Tom_itx> SpeedEvil, knowing andypugh he probably has
[17:24:37] <andypugh> Sounds like fun, and feasible at home with deep enough pockets.
[17:31:46] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, you finger out your spindle?
[17:37:47] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: He did, Only 9 fingers left for future spindle debugging =)
[17:39:05] <Jymmm> XXCoder: For some reason, I'm not really an aliexpress shopper - something always seems vague/isolated if there ever was an issue
[17:40:51] <fenn> ganzuul: you should know about this then http://lawrencevilleplasmaphysics.com/fusion-power/dpf-device/
[18:10:32] <sector_0> are there any such thing as a polar coordinate cnc mill?
[18:12:01] <cpresser> sector_0: well, that is just math. so the answer is yes
[18:12:44] <sector_0> cpresser, where the build platform rotates?
[18:12:59] <DaViruz> the elektor cnc drilling machine was designed that way. https://www.elektormagazine.com/assets/files/2001/img/l010024-62.jpg
[18:13:21] <cpresser> sector_0: yes, there are lots of machines with a rotary table
[18:13:42] <cpresser> a lot of 5-axis VMCs are build that way
[18:13:54] <DaViruz> machines with purely rotary axis is pretty rare though
[18:15:29] <cpresser> sector_0: http://i.imgur.com/bhsfqXk.jpg thats my scara-rebuild. its similar to pure polar coordinates
[18:15:55] <sector_0> cpresser, looks great
[18:16:05] <sector_0> what type motors do you use?
[18:16:25] <cpresser> the original ones. DC brushed motors with harmonic drive
[18:16:34] <cpresser> and quadrature encoders
[18:16:54] <cpresser> more info here: https://ca.rstenpresser.de/blag/
[18:18:02] <JT-Shop> sector_0, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/overview.html#_polar_coordinates
[18:20:20] * JT-Shop retires inside before the rains come
[18:31:38] <Tom_itx> been raining all day here
[18:31:47] <Tom_itx> off n on
[18:32:54] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, no i haven't messed with the spindle yet
[18:33:39] <andypugh> cpresser: The SCARA can type it’s own G-code?
[18:33:50] <jthornton> Tom_itx, you getting any of this rain?
[18:33:57] <andypugh> (Sorry, “its own G-code”)
[18:34:01] <Tom_itx> been raining all day here
[18:34:13] <jthornton> just getting dark here
[18:34:48] <Tom_itx> took the dogs out at 6 instead of 6:30 this am so i wouldn't get soaked
[18:35:00] <Tom_itx> checked the radar and saw a break in the clouds
[18:37:45] <Tom_itx> http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?animate=true&location=USKS0523
[18:37:50] <Tom_itx> doesn't look good for you
[19:05:56] <diginet> anyone here have any experience with linear motors?
[19:06:46] <diginet> there doesn't seem to be much info on them from a hobbyist perspectove
[19:07:17] <Sync> well, they are basically bldc motors
[19:07:29] <Sync> mostly with a sin/cos feedback device
[19:09:43] <diginet> yeah, they're like "unrolled" motors
[19:13:28] <PCW> probably not much hobby info because they tend to be very expensive
[19:15:07] <Sync> well, it is acceptable, linmot ones are like 600€ for a stator/rod set
[19:19:17] <Tom_itx> what decent linux cad cam solutions are available?
[19:19:33] <Tom_itx> 2.5d is ok
[19:22:50] <fenn> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cam
[19:23:13] <fenn> i've used librecad and dxf2gcode to do 2D stuff
[19:23:42] <fenn> also heekscad worked well for 3d when it wasn't busy crashing
[19:24:08] <Tom_itx> i wondered about it if it was ok
[19:24:16] <fenn> that was like 5 years ago though so hopefully someone can chime in with a more modern opinion
[19:25:14] <fenn> pycam is probably worth a look
[19:38:23] <fenn> pycam screencast overview http://youtu.be/stcZAIy2xnE?t=5m52s
[19:41:31] <Tom_itx> i think he tried that and it wasn't very stable
[19:46:01] <malcom2073> I tried pycam, couldn't get it to create toolpaths on their example stl it comes with in any reasonable amount of time :/
[20:06:58] <fenn> on my 2009 netbook pycam takes about a minute to generate the finish pass with default values, but it varies depending on algorithm and stepover size
[20:08:59] <fenn> it only appears to do surfacing though, no pocketing strategies or drilling
[20:10:21] <fenn> also some of the toolpaths intersect the model, which isn't a good sign
[20:11:55] <fenn> i'm running the old version included with ubuntu
[20:26:26] <CaptHindsight> diginet: I use them all the time and there are usually bargains on ebay since they are too difficult for mere mortals to integrate
[20:33:30] <jdh> I have 6 LinMot's on a machine at work
[20:34:23] <malcom2073> I've bought a couple, wound up taking them apart and stealing th rails out of them heh
[20:34:25] <malcom2073> the*
[20:45:05] <PetefromTn_> Hey folks!
[20:45:11] <PetefromTn_> whatsgoinon?
[20:53:06] <Wolf_Mill> makin chips... and slots in the wrong places
[20:54:24] <PetefromTn_> Doh that sucks...been there LOL
[20:54:32] <PetefromTn_> I am making chips here too
[20:54:55] <PetefromTn_> working on the latest version of my Feinwerkbau P800 scope riser rail.
[20:55:37] <Wolf_Mill> nothing critial at least, just a bar for my X limit switch, now has a extra mounting slot that lines up with nothing lol
[20:56:39] <PetefromTn_> Oh well as long as you can't see it too good nobody but you will know it's there right ;)
[20:57:34] <Wolf_Mill> I should just put a extra one at the other end as well
[20:57:40] <Wolf_Mill> even things out lol
[21:02:45] <PetefromTn_> sure that would work :D
[22:05:41] <LatheBuilder2> anyone else having trouble with 2.7?
[22:08:08] <cradek> go ahead and ask your real question
[22:09:18] <LatheBuilder2> my x y & z axis tuning was ok in 2.6, but ferror is out of limits using same tuning parameters in 2.7
[22:09:43] <cradek> are you sure your previous version was 2.6?
[22:10:56] <cradek> the reason I ask: see near the bottom of http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.6
[22:11:14] <LatheBuilder2> i've been switching back and forth. i'll boot the mill up...one sec. Change seems to have occurred between the last stable 2.6 release and 2.7.0
[22:11:42] <cradek> I don't think there are pid changes between 2.6 and 2.7
[22:12:05] <cradek> what error are you getting exactly, and when you do what?
[22:13:12] <cradek> I confirmed there are no changes to pid
[22:15:41] <LatheBuilder2> running 2.6.9.14 it stays within .001" for x y & z servos (my set bound for following error when in feed). Remembering back to the plot in halscope max deviation was around 75% of that.
[22:16:32] <skunksleep> The new TP may exasperate poor servo tuning...
[22:16:52] <LatheBuilder2> switching to 2.7.any, using the exact same hal and ini I get a joint following error on the first move to home the machine.
[22:16:54] <cradek> hm that's true. you might be seeing more acceleration.
[22:17:08] <cradek> well homing wouldn't be different
[22:17:40] <skunksleep> Oh.. No. Not homing
[22:17:59] <cradek> (I don't know what 2.6.9.14 means)
[22:18:27] <cradek> I can't explain it, if you are comparing 2.6.9 and 2.7.0
[22:18:53] <cradek> what do you mean by 2.6.9.14? we don't have version numbers like that.
[22:18:57] <LatheBuilder2> i was looking in synaptic package manager and giving most of the name string for the package it homes fine with
[22:19:31] <LatheBuilder2> there is more, but it looks like a checksum or something (alpha characters)
[22:19:42] <cradek> oh must be a buildbot package
[22:19:48] <LatheBuilder2> yes, that's it
[22:20:24] <cradek> I think you'll have to open your ferror limits a bit and debug
[22:20:35] <cradek> I can't explain why it would have changed
[22:20:39] <cradek> please report back with what you find
[22:21:06] <cradek> where in the homing process does it ferror?
[22:21:39] <LatheBuilder2> after a short movement toward positive z home switch
[22:21:54] <cradek> so before it hits the switch?
[22:22:13] <LatheBuilder2> the thing is, in 2.6.9 the axis' all work fine, but the spindle does not. in 2.7 the spindle works but the axis do not. same hal and ini
[22:22:22] <LatheBuilder2> yes, before it hits the home switch
[22:22:28] <cradek> what do you mean by not work?
[22:22:58] <skunksleep> Any latency errors?
[22:23:17] <LatheBuilder2> i have a vfd spindle, 0-10v control signal. Mesa hardware, max latency about 13k
[22:24:11] <LatheBuilder2> (i should add i am not very strong in manual hal building)
[22:24:31] <LatheBuilder2> (so i use pncconf to get close and then make manual adjustments)
[22:25:31] <skunksleep> What is your mesa hardware?
[22:25:47] <LatheBuilder2> 5i25/7i77
[22:26:27] <LatheBuilder2> dc brushed servos and drives with some built in tuning.
[22:27:08] <LatheBuilder2> (big ones). I have to admit the drive cards themselves are tuned a bit on the aggressive side.
[22:27:23] <LatheBuilder2> prior to going into lcnc's control loops
[22:28:12] <LatheBuilder2> firmware for both mesa cards has been updated to latest via mesaflash
[22:28:42] <LatheBuilder2> i didn't directly answer skunksleep's question: no, no latency errors.
[22:28:48] <skunksleep> LatheBuilder2: what GUI?
[22:28:52] <LatheBuilder2> axis
[22:29:33] <LatheBuilder2> running debian from the latest livecd, then lcnc updated via buildbot packages
[22:29:54] <skunksleep> Are you sure you are using the exact same config?
[22:30:07] <cradek> you're not re-running pncconf when you change versions are you?
[22:31:18] <skunksleep> I dont know of any changes that would make the spindle work/not work between the 2 versions
[22:31:43] <LatheBuilder2> have blurred the lines in the last few days on that question. brb. I am going to home it from 2.6.9 and then update to 2.7.whatever is latest on buildbot and run it again without rerunning pncconf.
[22:31:45] <cradek> I haven't yet read what work/not work means
[22:32:13] <cradek> yeah things can easily get blurry when troubleshooting :-/
[22:34:41] <LatheBuilder2> definitely. =) spindle: pncconf generates bad code for spindles of my particular configuration.
[22:35:18] <LatheBuilder2> pcw showed me manual edits to make for the version i was using at the time.
[22:35:54] <LatheBuilder2> (i submitted a bug report in sourceforge with detailed notes)
[22:36:02] <LatheBuilder2> ...here it is:
[22:36:23] <LatheBuilder2> https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/433/
[22:37:52] <LatheBuilder2> but when i revert back to 2.6.9 because of the following error problems those edits are not enough. There is/are other thing(s) broken with the spindle code from pncconf in version 2.6.9 that are fixed in 2.7.0
[22:38:58] <cradek> ok, if you're re-running pncconf, then my understanding of a working 2.6 config breaking in 2.7 is totally not the situation
[22:40:10] <cradek> brb
[22:40:29] <LatheBuilder2> i do not recall if I have tried the forward update without rerunning pncconf. checking right now. brb
[22:45:54] <Tom_itx> could someone point me to the config changes page for 2.7 that include the new TP variables? i can't seem to find it. i don't need it for the TP but there were a few others i wanted to check
[22:50:00] <LatheBuilder2> that's why. axis terminates with an error. module not found. I have been re-running pncconf between version changes. making a note to build a fresh config using the new pncconf and compare them side by side
[22:51:41] <LatheBuilder2> cradek that gives me a next action to take. thanks for talking through it with me!
[22:52:00] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/Updating_LinuxCNC.html#_updating_your_config
[22:52:06] <Tom_itx> maybe that's what i was after
[22:53:27] <skunksleep> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/updating-linuxcnc.html#_updating_your_config
[22:53:33] <skunksleep> Heh
[22:53:54] <Tom_itx> it's changed along the way i think
[22:54:21] <Tom_itx> i was watching it change as rob developed the TP. now those are all defaults in the ini
[22:54:38] <Tom_itx> not alot else to change
[22:55:18] <skunksleep> Nope. Pretty painless
[22:55:36] <Tom_itx> just starting to check over my config to figure out that spindle thing
[22:56:32] <Tom_itx> probably a good time to get rid of all those old card references in it too
[22:56:37] <Tom_itx> make it more readable
[23:42:33] <PetefromTn_> well I had the part ALMOST completed and decided that I should go ahead and make some adjustments to the program
[23:42:41] <PetefromTn_> to refine things and speed up future parts
[23:43:04] <PetefromTn_> and of course when I did that I screwed up the part I was working on..... that is SO ME!!
[23:50:54] <furrywolf> I took my new subaru for a test drive... failed. seems to have a fuel supply issue.
[23:52:58] <PetefromTn_> that bites
[23:53:11] <PetefromTn_> I gotta start over with this damn part now and try again... bbl
[23:53:15] <furrywolf> was going fine until I went to go up a hill and it wouldn't. :)