#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-09-03

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[00:14:24] <Wolf_Mill> side tracked... always, just fixed line blanking issue on a TI calc
[02:24:08] <Deejay> moin
[04:12:15] <Wolf_Mill> thx comcast for the last 3hrs of no internet....
[04:12:40] <archivist> we all talked about you
[04:13:42] <Wolf_Mill> i'm wathing my mill drill a hole :D yay
[04:13:57] <Wolf_Mill> watching even
[04:15:08] <archivist> I was tidying in the hope a switch and any other parts appear for the filing machine
[04:15:29] <Jymmm> cnc filing machine?
[04:15:41] <archivist> manual
[04:16:18] <Jymmm> not as funny =)
[04:16:35] <archivist> it is almost back in one piece
[04:19:20] <Wolf_Mill> wow, this x1 is sad, cant even do a g83 with a #7 drill
[04:21:11] <Wolf_Mill> just watched the head flex upwards about 10mm
[04:23:46] <Jymmm> Let's see... Do I remove the headlamp lenses with theri dull sun beaten yellow frost, spend hours and grab the few grades of sandpaper to try and get them clear, then find some coating to protect them -OR- spend $39 and get brand new ones with free shipping? decisions decisions decisions
[04:24:46] <Wolf_Mill> high watt led upgrade w/ real glass, and get the $39 one too
[04:25:13] <Jymmm> led headlamps?
[04:25:21] <Wolf_Mill> oh car
[04:25:41] <Jymmm> What, you yalking flashlight?
[04:25:46] <Jymmm> talking*
[04:25:53] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, they have led headlights now
[04:26:18] <Jymmm> LED, not HID ?
[04:26:31] <Wolf_Mill> polish the lens, doesnt take long (if you have the right tools)
[04:26:49] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, they even have them for commercal trucks now
[04:27:25] <Jymmm> oem replacement?
[04:27:32] <Wolf_Mill> I have a set of "80W" led fogs on my car
[04:27:49] <Wolf_Mill> not so impressive lol
[04:28:12] <Wolf_Mill> depends on the car/headlamp type
[04:28:50] <Jymmm> 2001 ford expedition - 9007/HB5
[04:29:25] <Wolf_Mill> set it on fire, buy car with oem leds
[04:29:40] <Wolf_Mill> be cheaper in the long run
[04:31:20] <Wolf_Mill> there might be a aftermarket led headlight for that thing, but probably china, and will probably suck
[04:34:38] <Jymmm> It has a FAN?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Ohy62oh4A
[04:35:23] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, leds make loads of hear
[04:35:27] <Wolf_Mill> heat*
[04:36:08] <Jymmm> I realize that, but not a 89¢ fan
[04:36:45] <Wolf_Mill> my car has oem adaptive hids, my ford that cost 2x a much, orange halogens
[04:38:07] <Jymmm> adapive ?
[04:38:27] <Wolf_Mill> shutters move with the steering
[04:39:11] <Jymmm> Ok, still a fan, but beefy heatsink too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Rgqn79UhY
[04:41:35] <Jymmm> I want to add amber fog lamps too
[04:42:14] <Wolf_Mill> i'll stick with my ugly car http://i.imgur.com/ifXtp6t.jpg
[04:43:45] <Jymmm> They let you see things on the side of the road MUCH better
[04:44:02] <Jymmm> wider angle than headlamps
[04:44:20] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, I use my fogs often
[04:44:26] <Jymmm> like some dumbass about to walk in front of your car
[04:44:40] <Wolf_Mill> here its deer
[04:44:46] <Wolf_Mill> but i live in the sticks
[04:45:22] <Jymmm> I live if a vert dark forest deer, bear, and wild attacking peacocks!
[04:45:30] <Jymmm> very*
[04:47:32] <Jymmm> Heh, I found some 100/80W replacement bulbs =)
[04:47:50] <Jymmm> instead of the 65/55W ones
[04:48:04] <Wolf_Mill> osram night breakers
[04:48:22] <Wolf_Mill> not DOT legal, but hear they are great
[04:48:32] <Jymmm> http://www.lightbulbs4cars.com/product/NOK7214
[04:51:32] <Jymmm> Hmmm, no fan http://www.carid.com/lumen/lumen-plazma-led-lights-10064468.html
[04:52:09] <Wolf_Mill> only issue with drop in LED/HID is the oem housing isnt made for them
[04:52:16] <Wolf_Mill> light just scatters all over
[04:52:27] <Jymmm> ah
[04:52:53] <Wolf_Mill> I put hid lowbeams in my snow plow light...
[04:52:55] <Jymmm> I'll try thre 100W halogen bulb instead
[04:53:02] <Jymmm> the*
[04:53:04] <Wolf_Mill> wasnt the best idea lol
[04:53:19] <Jymmm> melted plastic?
[04:53:41] <Wolf_Mill> blind my self driving past road signs
[04:53:49] <Jymmm> lol
[04:54:11] <Jymmm> that why I like amber fog lamps
[04:54:56] <Jymmm> saved my ass a couple of times
[04:55:12] <Wolf_Mill> but when I run the plow I usually put my fed signal remote spotlight up on the roof to, so i'm not lacking for light lol
[04:56:03] <Jymmm> http://articles.latimes.com/1992-03-21/news/mn-4007_1_cloud-bank
[04:56:49] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, put most people in a car and they go full retard
[04:57:18] <Jymmm> Oh no, it's THAT bad. Even CHP escort thru the fog at times
[04:58:03] <Jymmm> There are even special signla lights on the side of the freeway that th CHP can turn on to warn of fog
[04:58:34] <Jymmm> My amber fogs lamps were the only thing that saved me
[05:00:02] <Jymmm> It's a 50mile patch of hwy that goes from 3200ft to 125ft elevation. It's the pass from LA to Vegas as well.
[05:01:31] <Wolf_Mill> "People just don't seem to slow down the way they should and this is the result of it," said CHP Officer Lorin Orchard.
[05:01:43] <Wolf_Mill> sums up what i meant
[05:42:24] <malcom2073> I've driven through fog like that, saw people *flying* past me at stupid speeds
[05:42:54] <malcom2073> Was in a F350 with a trailer, so tons of lights all over me fortunatly
[05:44:21] <malcom2073> I got a PC set up with linuxcnc all ready to drive these servo drivers... and realized I don't have a DB25 breakout board :/
[05:45:06] <XXCoder> malcom2073: sw video that was bad
[05:45:13] <XXCoder> trying to find it
[05:46:54] <XXCoder> cant it
[05:47:00] <XXCoder> it was just constant flow of car accients
[05:47:22] <malcom2073> oN ICE?
[05:47:24] <malcom2073> On ice*
[05:47:35] <XXCoder> maybe
[05:47:35] <malcom2073> I saw the one that was just cars sliding on ice into each other for like 3 minutes
[05:48:08] <XXCoder> not that
[05:48:10] <XXCoder> freeway
[05:48:18] <XXCoder> it was bit foggy and bad ice
[05:48:36] <XXCoder> there was hundreds of cars constantly crash
[05:49:39] <malcom2073> al-la final destination heh
[05:49:47] <XXCoder> lol
[05:53:21] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAs_pKl_HLg
[05:53:24] <XXCoder> not same but jeez
[05:53:38] <XXCoder> bet lot of em wish they had brown pants
[06:02:52] <Wolf_Mill> derp...
[06:03:40] <Wolf_Mill> thought i broke my mill. type in g0 z-9, z didnt move 9 inches
[06:04:24] <XXCoder> heh some machines if no . it assumes .009
[06:04:31] <XXCoder> some even .0009
[06:04:35] <Wolf_Mill> moved 9mm
[06:05:31] <Wolf_Mill> forgot that i was in g21 from when i was dilling and milling lol
[06:06:07] <Wolf_Mill> drilling...
[06:11:22] <XXCoder> lol
[06:24:48] <Wolf_Mill> now i need to cam out more parts :)
[06:58:03] <lair82_> pcw_home, PCW, not sure if you are around yet, but here is the 7i80.txt file, I don't see any pwmgen modules in the top section of the printout. http://pastebin.com/qfE9vTHz
[07:06:41] <lair82_> And I actually don't see anything regarding the sserial card in the pinout for 7i80
[07:20:05] <fenn> CaptHindsight: i was going to say cortesi's "axtrusion" but you got there first.. maybe it was this? http://demg.penton.com/content/am/out_of_the_box.pdf
[07:22:29] <fenn> aww epucret.de got bought out and their awesome catalog of polymer concrete machine frames is gone
[07:23:41] <fenn> new sucky website: http://www.rampf-gruppe.de/en/companies-and-products/machine-systems/machine-beds/
[07:26:06] <fenn> i want to build a small version of http://www.rampf-gruppe.de/uploads/pics/epu-anw-werkz-hsc-fraes_04.jpg
[07:26:31] <fenn> with the left support beam removable for machining the ends of large pieces
[07:31:03] <fenn> an article about that frame, http://www.moldmakingtechnology.com/articles/new-developments-in-high-speed-machining-technology
[08:14:46] <lair82_> pcw_home, the strange part is the terminal error http://pastebin.com/ubDG7mw9 doesn't really jive with what the .txt file shows, as far as I can tell.
[08:44:50] <Wolf_> well that seems like a great deal… http://www.amazon.com/Huot-Collet-Rack-ER-Collets/dp/B001VXW652
[09:04:41] <lair82_> membiblio you around?
[09:05:31] <membiblio> Good Morning lair82
[09:05:54] <membiblio> Did you machine become sentient and start to make parts for little machines?
[09:11:59] <lair82_> Good Morning, I finally yesterday caught an error using that tail command, here is a screen shot of it, http://postimg.org/image/qigw8pb2d/
[09:12:46] <membiblio> lair82 - well maybe ata2 is the serial ata port - right?
[09:12:59] <lair82_> I see it is something with the ata connection, hard drive correct?
[09:13:08] <lair82_> Yes
[09:13:30] <membiblio> lair82 - this is a failure of the hard drive to write to the platter and report back - ok I'm ready to continue
[09:13:56] <lair82_> Bad hard drives?
[09:14:18] <membiblio> lair82 - I don't really remember the beginning of this adventure but I do remember that we originally looked at the hard drive as a possible culprit but then moved on to other items
[09:14:43] <membiblio> lair82 - do you have more than one serial ata device or hard drive? Probably not right?
[09:15:18] <membiblio> lair82 - did you tail after this happened or tail when production started and watched the file in tail until the problem happened?
[09:15:28] <lair82_> This is the second HD, I replaced this when this stuff started happening a few months ago, but I believe this HD was a used one out of a desktop that was taken out of service when we bought new PC's
[09:16:13] <membiblio> lair82 - well that can be a problem - using parts that you don't know the lineage of. How do you feel about that? What is on that hard drive anyway?
[09:16:32] <lair82_> Nope, just one HD. I started the tail first thing in the morning, and when the operator said the machine messed up, I went and looked at my desktop, and saw this.
[09:17:41] <lair82_> There was nothing on it, I ran DBAN on it just before I loaded Linuxcnc on it. It had WinXP on it before that.
[09:19:11] <membiblio> lair82 - what I would do is one of two things - copy the drive sector by sector to another drive using clonezilla (the target must be larger than the source for a image copy and you loose the 'extra' disk if you don't repartition it after the fact) OR I would rebuild a new drive from scratch
[09:19:26] <lair82_> I guess I could build a solid state HD ( I a few brand new SSD's on the shelf), the one in question is a 3.5 HDD, and I only had the one used 3.5 when this started happening
[09:19:38] <membiblio> lair82 - THEN mark in permanent marker on this drive that it is flakey.
[09:20:19] <membiblio> lair82 - well previously you had fairly well indicated that you were using all new parts - I would definitely stick with that. :) Since production and uptime is a issue.
[09:20:36] <membiblio> lair82 - so go forth and fix
[09:20:53] <lair82_> OK, I am going to build a SSD from scratch, and just copy my machine files to the appropriate folders
[09:20:56] <membiblio> lair82 - why do you have two drives in one machine for linuxcnc ?
[09:21:21] <lair82_> I don't
[09:21:31] <membiblio> lair82 - this is the primary?
[09:22:18] <membiblio> lair82 - that must be why we were going to reduce swappiness - it would reduce the occurrences of faults while something is running. That makes sense now in hindsight.
[09:22:20] <lair82_> We originaly started using HDD's when doing these retrofits, now we went to SSD's on all the recent builds
[09:22:57] <membiblio> lair82 - ok hopefully this will fix your issue permanently. :)
[09:23:13] <lair82_> The machine only has 1 hard drive, and no SSD.
[09:23:22] <membiblio> lair82 - and if this works you will have a better appreciation of tail :)
[09:24:07] <membiblio> lair82 - so what is the deal with the other pastebin you posted about a missing pin?
[09:26:21] <lair82_> I am having problems on another machine, a VMC I am putting Linuxcnc on for another shop, I got the 7i80 working, and communicating properly, now it doesn't see any of the SSerial devices, all after I loaded the proper .bit file for this machine
[09:27:14] <membiblio> lair82 - but you do see line 91 right? There is just a single missing pin called hm2_7i80.0.7i71.0.1.output-00
[09:29:36] <lair82_> line 91 ( line 65 ) is the very first line in my hal that associates a sserial device pin.
[09:30:22] <membiblio> lair82 - going that direction, instead of what you posted, what is on line 65 of tommanual.hal?
[09:31:39] <lair82_> I modified my hal, removing everything associated with the sserial pins, and got lcnc to start, then in a seperate terminal ran "halcmd show all" and showed nothing regarding my IO cards
[09:32:48] <membiblio> lair82 - wait - go back to the config that threw the error first - then look at the dump when linuxcnc fails to start - which showed a issue with tommanual.hal:65: Pin 'hm2_7i80.0.7i71.0.1.output-00' does not exist
[09:33:42] <membiblio> lair82 - now look for a issue with that exact particular pin - either you are missing a file or missing something in a file (you can say duh to me) but that is what you are looking for.
[09:33:50] <lair82_> Here is what line 65 is, "net hydraulic-pump => hm2_7i80.0.7i71.0.1.output-00"
[09:34:38] <membiblio> lair82 - ok so you are assigning something to that hal net - this line is USING that net (wait for next text line)
[09:35:36] <membiblio> lair82 - NOW look in the ini file to see if that line is ASSIGNED to a piece of hardware (look for similar assignments in the .ini file)
[09:36:05] <membiblio> lair82 - I hope I am correct saying .ini I am launching vm with linuxcnc to see exactly the file name
[09:36:34] <cpresser> usually pins are in the HAL-File
[09:36:37] <lair82_> Here is the hal file, http://pastebin.com/QMwHqmUy
[09:36:54] <cpresser> lair82_: it seems like your 7i71 isnt detected
[09:37:02] <cpresser> lair82_: check your sserial configuration
[09:37:07] <lair82_> This is a carbon copy of how I have my other 5 machines setup
[09:37:44] <lair82_> I have gone through the sserial connections twice, and even replaced my 7i44, and still no dice.
[09:39:41] <cpresser> how does the [HOSTMOT2](CONFIG) look?
[09:39:51] <cpresser> do you have the correct firmware on the 7i80?
[09:40:09] <membiblio> lair82 - see if there is a diagnostics program that runs separate from linuxcnc to check the mesa device directly - which will give you confidence that the device is working
[09:40:32] <membiblio> lair82 - see if there is reference to manually communicating with the device over a serial terminal - what do you think?
[09:41:35] <lair82_> Here is my ini file, http://pastebin.com/zutSPMrV
[09:41:35] <membiblio> lair82 - it also looks like the driver for that device is in another directory not your linuxcnc directory where the .hal files are located. Did you forget that 'other' directory?
[09:43:52] <lair82_> I loaded that bit file directly to the 7i80 card using mesaflash, after you do that, it isn't needed anymore, the card stores it on an EEPROM
[09:44:21] <membiblio> lair82 - you communicated with the 7i80 successfully to flash it?
[09:44:27] <cpresser> membiblio: sserial is not related to rs232. so you cant use it with a terminal
[09:44:50] <membiblio> is it rs485?
[09:45:11] <membiblio> does anyone know how mesa offloads step generation from linuxcnc to the 7i80 board?
[09:47:01] <lair82_> Yes, I have good coms with the card, and have verified that the bit file loaded properly.
[09:47:32] <membiblio> lair82 - So you are NOW looking for the driver inside of linuxcnc - do you know of what I speak? (I don't have mesa boards)
[09:48:28] <membiblio> lair82 - is it called hostmot2? (maybe)
[09:49:17] <pcw_home> lair82_ sure you don't have a cat5 cable crossed?, a single swapped cabled will make linuxcnc not start if you reference pins on all sserial devices
[09:49:42] <pcw_home> (since the will be numbered differently)
[09:49:52] <pcw_home> since they
[09:49:56] <membiblio> remember guys - he just flashed the mesa successfully which points to the connection between the pc and mesa is correct? Is that right?
[09:50:07] <lair82_> As far as I know, this is all handled by the card itself, on the older 5i23's that I have on my turning centers, you have to have the bit file in a certain directory, in the linuxcnc directory
[09:50:38] <lair82_> pcw_home, I will check again,
[09:50:38] <membiblio> lair82 - all foreign devices need a driver like which you speak of for the 5i23
[09:51:08] <pcw_home> This is not a driver issue, more likely a wiring or signal name issue
[09:51:37] <membiblio> 10/4 this man sounds like he knows his shtuff :)
[09:52:10] <membiblio> So, off on topic, do you know how mesa offloads step generation from linuxcnc to the mesa board firmware?
[09:52:18] <pcw_home> yes
[09:52:31] <membiblio> can you explain or is this another secret?
[09:53:18] <lair82_> membiblio, pcw_home is the designer/creator/programmer/owner of mesa
[09:53:36] <membiblio> then they should know right?
[09:54:12] <lair82_> yes, he writes the code for the cards,
[09:58:18] <pcw_home> it open source, no secrets
[10:00:07] <pcw_home> lair82_ I would make a hal file that just loads the driver and then check what pins you have
[10:00:09] <pcw_home> do you know the sserial devices are not working? (no comms = red fault lights on all)
[10:01:21] <lair82_> yes, just red leds, no green blinking ones
[10:02:22] <pcw_home> bad flat cable?
[10:02:32] <pcw_home> wrong connector?
[10:03:24] <lair82_> just checked the ribbon cables, nothing, just swapped cables between the 7i44 and 7i49, nothing
[10:03:43] <lair82_> I have 5vdc at all the cards
[10:04:56] <pcw_home> can you post the result of readhmid somewhere?
[10:06:53] <pcw_home> also since linuxcnc bails because of a missing pin the red lights done mean much
[10:07:08] <pcw_home> dont mean much
[10:07:42] <lair82_> http://pastebin.com/aFPs5QX0
[10:08:24] <pcw_home> wrong bitfile
[10:08:39] <lair82_> Excellent
[10:09:27] <lair82_> I always manage to make things as hard as they can possibly be.
[10:09:43] <pcw_home> Thats for a 7I49 +7I52
[10:09:43] <lair82_> ;)
[10:10:08] <lair82_> Of course, that is what is on the other machine at the shop,,,
[10:10:45] <lair82_> sv6_7i49 ???
[10:14:24] <lair82_> That looks like it would work???
[10:21:17] <lair82_> pcw_home gotta run, be back in about 2 hrs, our edm is down at the shop, got to go fix it.
[10:37:56] <pcw_home> needs to have a 8 in the name (for 8 ss channels on the 7I44)
[10:46:42] <CaptHindsight> did lair82_ ever discover why that system would randomly lose files such as him his home folder and desktop?
[10:48:43] <fenn> bad hard drive apparently
[10:49:22] <fenn> http://postimg.org/image/qigw8pb2d/
[10:49:26] <CaptHindsight> hmm, I thought that he swapped drives and the problem was still there
[10:50:39] <fenn> let me look that up in our customer support database
[10:51:41] <CaptHindsight> too many days of fragmented info, guess we'll never know
[10:52:34] <fenn> i bet it was a seagate
[10:54:39] <CaptHindsight> he swapped drives, MB's, power supplies, APU's and the problem was still there
[10:55:29] <pcw_home> ghosts?
[10:55:52] <CaptHindsight> was getting to that point
[11:05:53] <zeeshan> fenn
[11:05:58] <zeeshan> why are you using webchat
[11:10:34] <Sync_> zeeshan why are steering racks so spendy?!
[11:10:44] <zeeshan> critical component :P
[11:11:08] <zeeshan> oem?
[11:11:09] <zeeshan> or aftermarket
[11:13:27] <Sync_> oem
[11:13:35] <Sync_> Evo 6 RS rack
[11:13:40] <Sync_> LHD
[11:13:43] <Sync_> which makes it expensive
[11:13:52] <Sync_> as there are only 100 LHD evo 6 RS
[11:13:58] <zeeshan> ah
[11:14:03] <Sync_> but dem 2.2 turns ratio
[11:17:15] <Sabir> hi all
[11:25:34] <Sync_> pfft
[11:25:48] <Sync_> of course nobody makes .75" - 16UNF pressure transmitters
[11:32:50] <Sync_> bah. all the pressure transmitters that are not really motorsport specific are huge
[11:34:50] <lair82> I will not argue with strange voodoo shit around this building, happens all the time. But, yes I did change the HD, to one that was running WinXp with no issues, Dban'ed it, loaded linuxcnc on, and still have the same issues of it losing the HD.
[11:36:21] <lair82> I didn't have any new blank HD's sitting around, just that one, and I assumed what the hell, should work fine.
[11:40:19] <lair82> pcw_home, I am only using 4 channels on the 7i44, would that sv6_7i49 work?
[11:44:17] <pcw_home> Might work but not a good idea
[11:44:18] <pcw_home> 7i80hd_16_rmsvss6_8.bit
[11:44:20] <pcw_home> is the right bitfile but I need to update it as I only got the resolver module working with the 7I80s 100 MHz clocklow recently
[11:44:55] <pcw_home> ( looks like April, 2015 when that was fixed )
[11:45:51] <pcw_home> Ill try to bake a new bitfile today
[12:04:17] <Sabir> some one please tell me in base configuration only step and direction listed
[12:04:37] <Sabir> can we configure pulse and direction in base information
[12:04:43] <Sabir> ?
[12:06:45] <pcw_home> not quite sure what the question is
[12:06:46] <pcw_home> step/dir = pulse/dir as far as I know
[12:07:18] <zeeshan> bellow folding is mind trippy.
[12:07:32] <pcw_home> origami
[12:08:38] <Sabir> i have servo drive
[12:08:51] <Sabir> working on pulse + direction
[12:09:22] <pcw_home> ok, that's the same as step/dir
[12:09:28] <Sabir> ok
[12:10:25] <Sabir> in manules there is pulse input timeing tck, th tl trh trl ts tqck tqh tql tqrh tqrl tqs timeing
[12:10:35] <pcw_home> ( the drive takes a single step per pulse in the direction specified by the direction line )
[12:15:10] <Sabir> what is tck th tl trh trl ts etc ?
[12:15:18] <pcw_home> linuxcnc can set the pulse width, the minimum time between pulses, and the direction setup and hold times
[12:15:20] <pcw_home> these are sufficient for any drive but you may need to translate the names of the timing parameters since everyone
[12:15:21] <pcw_home> makes up their own names
[12:16:11] <Sabir> ok and if i puttt wrong paramter here what will happen ?
[12:16:32] <zeeshan> anyone who wants to fold their own bellows:
[12:16:33] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ZWCNLcH.png
[12:16:35] <pcw_home> may not work
[12:16:48] <zeeshan> 4.5" is the width you'll get of you way cover
[12:16:52] <zeeshan> and 2.5" is the depth
[12:17:01] <zeeshan> if you use a 45 deg angle
[12:17:07] <zeeshan> hopefully this helps someone :P
[12:17:07] <Sync_> I thought you meant round bellows
[12:17:13] <Sync_> because that is truly strange
[12:18:29] <zeeshan> its trippy how it works out
[12:18:41] <pcw_home> guess: TCK = step time, TH is direction hold time, TS is direction setup time, the TR* might be rise times (nothing linuxcnc can control, determined by hardware )
[12:19:21] <zeeshan> now that i look at it iagain
[12:19:31] <zeeshan> it doesnt matter if the angle is 45 deg
[12:19:36] <zeeshan> youll get the same dimensions with 60 deg
[12:19:45] <zeeshan> but youre restricting your expanding/contracting ratio
[12:19:52] <zeeshan> 45 seems to be ideal
[12:22:03] <Sync_> I wonder what flow coefficient those stäubli connectors have
[12:24:23] <archivist> zeeshan, there are more folds http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,054,194.PN.&OS=PN/6,054,194&RS=PN/6,054,194
[12:25:05] <archivist> http://www.franksworkshop.com.au/CNC/Bellows/Bellows.htm
[12:29:09] <malcom2073> Nice, I like that
[12:43:00] <zeeshan> archivist:
[12:43:02] <zeeshan> nice link to the program
[12:43:33] <zeeshan> i have 10oz denim
[12:43:39] <zeeshan> that i'm folding to be double the thickness
[12:43:42] <zeeshan> by using spray adhesive..
[12:43:52] <zeeshan> then im laying out a pattern on it using a template i print off the printer
[12:44:16] <zeeshan> actually before the template im layingout polyurethane varnish all over it to stiffen it up
[12:44:21] <zeeshan> then lay the template, then fold it
[12:44:23] <zeeshan> then paint it
[12:44:26] <zeeshan> thats the goal :P
[12:48:09] <zeeshan> im going to look at this machine...
[12:48:13] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/Hj8zV
[12:48:15] <zeeshan> LOOKS VERY promising.
[12:48:21] <zeeshan> looks like it's in excellent condition
[12:50:50] <Wolf_> looks… small
[12:51:10] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: did you find any manuals for it?
[12:51:15] <Jymmm> TAPE?! lol
[12:56:06] <zeeshan> well this guy just fucked me
[12:56:13] <zeeshan> in the 1 hour ive been communicating with him
[12:56:17] <zeeshan> he's like oh you can't buy this lathe by itself only.
[12:56:24] <zeeshan> you gotta buy both the okuma act3
[12:56:39] <zeeshan> and okuma 4ps together as a packaged deal
[12:56:44] <zeeshan> for 8500
[12:56:46] <malcom2073> Lol, walk away
[12:56:53] <zeeshan> im like where is this extra machine coming from ?
[12:57:01] <zeeshan> we just discussed a deal on the one machine..
[12:57:12] <zeeshan> stupid machinery dealers..
[12:57:14] <CaptHindsight> offer him $9k and then never respond again
[12:57:16] <malcom2073> Or better yet, say "sure, at the price we agreed on, two machines"
[12:57:17] <malcom2073> :P
[12:58:18] <zeeshan> he's sending me pics of another machine
[12:58:19] <renesis> archivist: sexy clear bellows are sexy
[12:58:24] <zeeshan> he says that might fit my budget
[12:58:29] <zeeshan> and specs
[12:58:32] <malcom2073> Lol
[12:58:34] <zeeshan> some nakumara machine..
[12:58:41] <malcom2073> Seriously zeeshan, you probably don't want to deal with someone like that, they're gonna screw ya over
[12:59:16] <zeeshan> http://www.risetekmachinery.com/
[12:59:21] <zeeshan> they seem pretty legit..
[12:59:40] <zeeshan> man i just want a decent lathe
[12:59:46] <zeeshan> 10000lb
[12:59:55] <zeeshan> with turret and at least 25" of travel in X
[13:00:00] <zeeshan> minimum diameter 8"
[13:00:08] <zeeshan> and swing of at least 12
[13:03:30] <Sync_> get one
[13:03:46] <zeeshan> havent found one for the right price yet
[13:03:49] <zeeshan> this came close..
[13:03:51] <zeeshan> 4k for this machine
[13:03:53] <zeeshan> in mint condition
[13:10:49] <zeeshan> holy cow
[13:10:52] <zeeshan> this machine even looks better
[13:11:37] <zeeshan> "This machine’s X-axis ball screw got jammed during transportation. May be balls got jumped"
[13:11:44] <zeeshan> Hmm
[13:13:52] <Wolf_> if you get more then one feel free to ship one down here, I’ll clean it up for you
[13:14:10] <zeeshan> sure gimme half the money? :P
[13:14:18] <zeeshan> man this machine is better
[13:14:20] <zeeshan> it has more capacity.
[13:14:27] <fenn> "package deal" that's hilarious
[13:14:34] <fenn> these two machines are soul mates
[13:15:01] <Wolf_> probably means one of them won’t move
[13:15:26] <zeeshan> nahh
[13:15:28] <zeeshan> factories are like this
[13:15:32] <zeeshan> they only wanna setup a certain time to move both
[13:15:34] <zeeshan> it interrupts operations
[13:15:53] <fenn> it's a machinery dealer, why would it be in use?
[13:16:04] <zeeshan> doesnt have em physically
[13:16:06] <zeeshan> those specific ones
[13:16:17] <Wolf_> how would it be in use with jammed balls
[13:16:29] <zeeshan> youre confusing 3 machines
[13:16:36] <fenn> the okuma is on 2x4's and unplugged
[13:16:50] <zeeshan> none of the machines are in use..
[13:16:56] <zeeshan> it's a factory.
[13:16:58] <zeeshan> there's people there
[13:17:03] <zeeshan> moving machinery interrupts operations
[13:17:08] <zeeshan> they wanna move em as a packaged deal.
[13:17:11] <fenn> that's dumb
[13:17:32] <zeeshan> have you walked inside a factory?
[13:17:50] <zeeshan> cause your comment makes it sound like you havent :P
[13:17:55] <fenn> no, not really
[13:18:12] <zeeshan> it's a very busy area
[13:18:19] <zeeshan> forklifts moving, personnel moving
[13:18:21] <zeeshan> for osha requirements
[13:18:25] <Wolf_> shouldn’t be too many people if they are dumping machines lol
[13:18:32] <zeeshan> you gotta block of a section to move stuff
[13:18:44] <FinboySlick> Wolf_: They might be buying even better ones.
[13:18:54] <zeeshan> i love the negative assumptions in here
[13:19:03] <zeeshan> what's with the negative energy today guys
[13:19:09] <zeeshan> im mad, but i'm not being negative!! :P
[13:19:18] <zeeshan> The Dark force is in here with us today
[13:19:26] * FinboySlick is Captain Positive Zeeshan's sidekick.
[13:19:32] <Wolf_> I forgot to sleep...
[13:19:32] <zeeshan> FinboySlick: haha
[13:19:37] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/Kes79
[13:19:42] <zeeshan> here's the machine with the busted X axis ball screw
[13:19:47] <zeeshan> which is actually not too bad to fix
[13:20:15] <malcom2073> zeeshan: They're a used machine seller aren't they?
[13:20:18] <malcom2073> That's what the website said
[13:20:22] <FinboySlick> Looks like a lovely machine.
[13:21:32] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: Those driven tools or just static chucks in the turret?
[13:21:42] <zeeshan> static
[13:34:07] <zeeshan> andy!
[13:34:07] <zeeshan> :P
[13:34:17] <Jymmm> zeeshan: ¿¿¿
[13:34:25] <zeeshan> Jymmm: negative question marks
[13:34:29] <zeeshan> see so much negative energy
[13:34:37] <archivist> andypugh, ping reply in almost 24 hours :)
[13:34:38] <FinboySlick> All hail Andy.
[13:35:44] <andypugh> archivist: Ah, yes, just wondering if you had a 1/4” CP hob
[13:36:05] <andypugh> Though I have pretty much decided to buy some second-hand motorcycle parts for the job
[13:36:30] <archivist> dont have any hobs that large
[13:36:58] <andypugh> I want to drive my leadscrews with silent chain. It is zero-backlash and pretty stiff. Also good in an oil bath.
[13:38:01] <archivist> dunno how it can be 0 backlash unless you tension it
[13:38:07] <Jymmm> US 220VAC residential, is there a name for the red wire?
[13:38:42] <archivist> hot
[13:39:08] <Jymmm> blk=hot, wht=neutral, grn=ground, just not sure how to refer to the red
[13:39:26] <Wolf_> 2nd phase
[13:39:37] <FinboySlick> lukewarm :P
[13:39:41] <Jymmm> lol
[13:39:42] <archivist> you mericans should use proper colours
[13:39:53] <Wolf_> unless its wired 220 single phase, then is blk hot, white hot, gnd
[13:40:08] <zeeshan> Jymmm: usually black is l1
[13:40:09] <zeeshan> red is l2
[13:40:11] <zeeshan> or vise versa
[13:40:31] <zeeshan> line 1
[13:40:32] <zeeshan> line 2
[13:40:36] <Jymmm> ah
[13:42:30] <_methods> we invented electricity so we get to pick the colors
[13:42:57] <Jymmm> I didn't realize that I had spools of 12ga THHN stranded wire (thought it was 14ga). Per this chart http://www.cerrowire.com/ampacity-charts it looks like I could pull 4 wires and get two 110@20A circuits if I run 220
[13:43:33] <zeeshan> Jymmm: do you know how to read that chart properly?
[13:44:09] <Loetmichel> hrhr, made a comparsion of 36W fluorecent against 100W LED a couple hours ago... look at the background... the ceiling lights stayed on, so background level was the same... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15957&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 (scroll to right for led pic)
[13:44:36] <Loetmichel> ... i think that'll be my new workdesk lamp as soon as i fixed a fan to that heatsink ;)
[13:45:08] <Jymmm> zeeshan: You'll need to elaboarte since I'm not using aluminum
[13:45:24] <zeeshan> Jymmm: you can't just look at that chart and come up with ampacity for a wire
[13:45:42] <zeeshan> or look @ the type of insulation on the wire only either
[13:46:00] <zeeshan> like since you have thhn you would think you need to look at the 90C column of that table
[13:46:02] <zeeshan> but that's wrong
[13:46:22] <zeeshan> because you need to look @ the terminal ratings of your load and breaker as well
[13:46:26] <zeeshan> most breakers are rated for 75C
[13:46:37] <zeeshan> so you need to derate your wire for 75C column
[13:46:40] <Jymmm> zeeshan: The breaker will be whatever I install
[13:46:47] <archivist> _methods, the hell you did /me points at Faraday and Maxwell :)
[13:46:55] <zeeshan> yes but im saying the breakers are mostly 75C
[13:47:02] <zeeshan> you'll have a hard time finding a breaker rated for 75C
[13:47:07] <zeeshan> in a residential form factor
[13:47:19] <zeeshan> you'll have a hard time finding a breaker rated for 90C
[13:47:20] <zeeshan> i mean
[13:47:42] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Either way, they both say 20A
[13:48:00] <zeeshan> yes you're lucky! :P
[13:48:07] <_methods> archivist: hahahahha
[13:48:42] <archivist> and that italian
[13:48:55] <_methods> we invented gravity too
[13:49:07] <Jymmm> _methods: you suck!
[13:49:29] <fenn> also invented vacuum(?)
[13:49:50] <Jymmm> _methods: specifically you suck @ 9.8m/s2
[13:50:01] <archivist> they even borrowed out patent system!
[13:50:05] <archivist> our
[13:51:15] <_methods> our patent system is broken
[13:51:17] <_methods> lol
[13:51:37] <archivist> very much so
[13:51:45] <_methods> i thing Jymmm invented it
[13:52:01] <archivist> the number of wheel reinventions...
[13:52:58] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yESGnieUGfY&feature=youtu.be
[13:53:09] <_methods> cobra vs python
[13:56:01] <SEL> looks like a cow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7ezXBEBE6U
[13:56:14] <Simonious> delcam?
[14:01:01] <Simonious> Is it worth using?
[14:04:31] <zeeshan> 2500 sound ok for my current cnc lathe?
[14:08:56] <FinboySlick> SEL: I'm pretty sure donkeys are cheaper.
[14:09:51] <Simonious> http://www.delcam.com/software/powermill/ <- is it garbage.. ?
[14:11:25] <SEL> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8YjvHYbZ9w
[14:13:01] <fenn> donkeys can't fire machine guns
[14:13:55] <CaptHindsight> fenn: what if the triggers are specially designed for their hoofs?
[14:15:14] <CaptHindsight> I'm witing for the video from BD where the robot kicks the person back
[14:15:42] <fenn> the "no robots were harmed" disclaimer was because so many people complained about them kicking the robot to show how stable it is
[14:19:04] <SEL> this one will probably kick back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFrjrgBV8K0
[14:23:19] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1099929784&posted=true&adActivated=true&uli=true
[14:23:22] <zeeshan> think this is a fair price?
[14:23:36] <zeeshan> i kinda put all the high sides of each price of conversion :P
[14:24:24] <CaptHindsight> a bargain
[14:25:15] <CaptHindsight> those sell for $1k-1.5k when still manual
[14:25:25] <zeeshan> okay good
[14:25:27] <zeeshan> i want it to be a fair price
[14:25:31] <fenn> i didn't realize it was cnc
[14:26:01] <zeeshan> i think its always good to ask others if your price is sane
[14:26:06] <zeeshan> cause ive come across some kijiji ads
[14:26:07] <zeeshan> and gone "wtf"
[14:26:22] <fenn> it seems pretty low for an almost new cnc conversion of that size
[14:26:44] <CaptHindsight> the problem is few want them
[14:26:49] <zeeshan> yep :(
[14:26:56] <zeeshan> its really hobbiest that will buy it
[14:27:01] <fenn> yeah
[14:27:02] <CaptHindsight> since it's not a name brand
[14:27:09] <zeeshan> but one thing ive noticed
[14:27:13] <zeeshan> the last few machinery ive sold
[14:27:22] <zeeshan> like bridgeport clone and the mill/drill thing
[14:27:35] <CaptHindsight> who is going to fix it? where do they get parts? etc
[14:27:37] <zeeshan> one guy was hobbiest, the other guy was a machinist but wanted something small to put in his basement
[14:28:14] <CaptHindsight> yeah, you need to find the handy person
[14:28:42] <fenn> how can a person need a cnc lathe and not know how to fix machinery? i must be from a different planet or something
[14:28:46] <CaptHindsight> I just sold a manual one to someone that wants to convert it to mach3
[14:29:16] <zeeshan> fenn: most machinists cant fix their own machine
[14:29:29] <zeeshan> or even if they can, they dont want to :P
[14:29:34] <CaptHindsight> fenn: they don't want to bother with tracking down parts or who to call
[14:29:55] <Sync_> zeeshan: I'd rather not buy such a shitty converted machine :D
[14:30:15] <zeeshan> sync
[14:30:17] <zeeshan> @ the end of the day
[14:30:20] <zeeshan> its the parts it can make
[14:30:24] <zeeshan> you can call it shitty all you want
[14:30:30] <zeeshan> but i've prolly made 45000$ off this lathe
[14:30:31] <zeeshan> so far
[14:30:36] <zeeshan> over 4 years
[14:30:41] <CaptHindsight> how can someone with the budget time and skill want to use mach?
[14:30:58] <CaptHindsight> they tend to be very mechanically inclined but have never used Linux
[14:31:09] <Sync_> for sure, but I hate to work with crappy solutions
[14:31:11] <CaptHindsight> so they fear the unknown
[14:31:19] <zeeshan> what's crappy about it?
[14:31:38] <fenn> it needs belt covers etc
[14:31:46] <zeeshan> i can make them in a day
[14:31:51] <zeeshan> i don't want to spend time on it though
[14:31:55] <zeeshan> hence the low price
[14:32:12] <Sync_> the motor mounts for one thing, the ballscrew mount is innovative
[14:32:19] <Sync_> and the double nut screw screams cheap
[14:32:42] <zeeshan> hence the price :P
[14:32:46] <zeeshan> it's steppers too
[14:32:49] <zeeshan> gross
[14:33:45] <Jymmm> _methods: I only invented chaos and confusion
[14:33:48] <zeeshan> (honestly i'd be happy with $1500 for it)
[14:33:54] <zeeshan> but the buyer doesnt need to know that
[14:33:54] <zeeshan> :P
[14:33:58] <zeeshan> i need it gone ASAP!
[14:34:37] <Sync_> yeah it is an okay price after all but not something I'd buy
[14:35:00] <Sync_> especially not with with the ballscrew, I can't stand those at all
[14:35:00] <zeeshan> me either
[14:35:25] <zeeshan> whats wrong with those ball screws
[14:35:26] <zeeshan> they work fine
[14:35:36] <_methods> jymmm's entropy generator
[14:36:34] <Sync_> I just don't like them, I feel that when somebody is using two nuts on one it is wrong
[14:36:52] <Sync_> only ground and preloaded ballscrews have a place on my machines
[14:37:30] <fenn> sync when you have two nuts it acts like an angular contact bearing rather than a deep groove bearing, higher stiffness and higher load capacity
[14:38:04] <Sync_> true, they have their places, but those chinese ballscrews are flapping in the breeze without the second nut
[14:38:13] <zeeshan> i wouldn't say that
[14:38:21] <zeeshan> unless you definition of fallping breeze is 3 thou backlash
[14:38:26] <Sync_> yes it is
[14:38:31] <zeeshan> okay fair enough
[14:38:38] <zeeshan> some people just use oversized balls
[14:38:43] <zeeshan> it was easier for me to buy another ball nut
[14:39:09] <fenn> the real disadvantage is it takes up more space
[14:39:43] <Sync_> yeah but I don't want to mess with it and also trust the pitch error
[14:39:50] <Sync_> which is doubtful on those
[14:39:55] <zeeshan> all ball screws have pitch error
[14:39:59] <zeeshan> even the high end ones
[14:40:11] <zeeshan> but the difference is they come with a ball screw map
[14:40:16] <zeeshan> that you can program into your controller
[14:40:23] <zeeshan> unlike these cheapo chinese!
[14:40:39] <Sync_> yes, but usually it is deterministic on a good one
[14:40:48] <Sync_> the one I had had errors all over the place
[14:40:53] <zeeshan> have machined a lotttt of parts with this
[14:40:58] <zeeshan> you're making it a big deal when it's not :P
[14:41:24] <zeeshan> okay i guess not all chinese screws are created equal then
[14:41:26] <zeeshan> :P
[14:41:28] <Sync_> I'm a snob when it comes to stuff like that ;)
[14:41:45] <zeeshan> i didnt have as much money back then
[14:41:51] <zeeshan> so i had to make with what i could get
[14:41:57] <zeeshan> now i wouldn't ever trhink about chinese ball screws
[14:42:04] <zeeshan> nook or rockford for me
[14:42:07] <zeeshan> or even skf
[14:42:22] <Sync_> http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/ballscrew.jpg those have proven to be pretty good
[14:42:40] <zeeshan> nice
[14:43:08] <zeeshan> were those custom machined?
[14:43:30] <Sync_> those are actually off the shelf, the one in the front was modified
[14:43:37] <zeeshan> ah
[14:44:13] <Sync_> http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/stage_running.mp4
[14:44:26] <zeeshan> how much was the small one
[14:44:34] <Sync_> I think around 600€
[14:44:43] <zeeshan> expensive :P
[14:45:00] <Sync_> could be worse
[14:48:44] <fenn> if you really need tenths accuracy why not use a linear encoder?
[14:48:51] <Sync_> http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/code_working.mp4
[14:49:41] <Sync_> because that is not ideal for your control loop
[14:49:59] <Sync_> and newer machines get rid of the encoder and just map the screw
[14:50:06] <Sync_> and track moves to generate a heat map and compensate
[14:50:22] <Sync_> or actively control the screw temp by pumping oil through it
[14:50:57] <fenn> how does "track moves to generate a heat map" work?
[14:53:00] <Sync_> the fuck I know I suppose you integrate the velocity at a given point on the screw with a decay value
[14:53:06] <Sync_> or moving average or whatever
[15:04:29] <cpresser> anyone here used non trivial kinematics recently? i am having some issues with 'scarakins'. the speed between scara and trivial seems to be different
[15:04:43] <cpresser> i suspect a factor of 60 (mm/sec vs. mm/min)
[15:05:04] <cpresser> is it recommended to run nontrivial kinematics with the joint-axes-branch?
[15:07:20] <cpresser> is there any documentation on joint-axes besides this wiki-page? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?JointAxesBranch
[15:15:53] <Jymmm> "joint axis" == Two motors, same axis ???
[15:17:20] <cpresser> Jymmm: nope. that is just a name for a different approach in software
[15:17:42] <Jymmm> cpresser: k
[15:17:52] <cpresser> divide the (maybe non cartesian) joints and the cartesian axes representation
[15:18:01] <Jymmm> cpresser: 747
[15:18:03] <cpresser> at least thats what I undertstand so far
[15:18:30] <cpresser> Jymmm: as a non native speaker, i dont get '747'
[15:23:54] <MacGalempsy> good afternoon
[15:24:09] <Tom_itx> as a native speaker i don't get '747' either
[15:28:14] <Jymmm> Beong 747, 39,000 feet and climbing, aka over my head.
[15:28:36] <Tom_itx> sry i didn't hear it fly by
[15:29:05] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: "divide the (maybe non cartesian) joints and the cartesian axes representation"
[15:30:34] <Jymmm> Is there a special color of wire for switched lights/outlets?
[15:30:51] <Jymmm> (I have violet available)
[15:30:52] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[15:31:21] <Tom_itx> like a 3 way switch?
[15:31:33] <Jymmm> yeah
[15:31:38] <Tom_itx> can be on at either end
[15:31:54] <Jymmm> or even a regular switched outlet
[15:31:57] <Tom_itx> generally cond is white red black bare
[15:32:05] <Tom_itx> 4
[15:32:13] <Tom_itx> err 4 cond
[15:32:15] <Tom_itx> damn
[15:32:17] <Tom_itx> 3 cond
[15:32:20] <Jymmm> =)
[15:32:42] <Tom_itx> 4 may be white red black green bare
[15:32:50] <Jymmm> but theres a "common" wire between the two switches, I didn't know if it should be a different color
[15:32:52] <Tom_itx> bare = earth gnd
[15:33:48] <Tom_itx> https://www.homeimprovementweb.com/information/how-to/three-way-switch.htm
[15:34:21] <MacGalempsy> so tonight is the second night of CNC class. the instructor is like 70 and there are 3 people in the session
[15:34:52] <Tom_itx> is that good?
[15:34:54] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Oh, so red for the "common", ok
[15:34:59] <Sync_> Tom_itx: I think you need to run 4 core for it to be according to code
[15:35:13] <MacGalempsy> i guess more one on one time with the instructor seems better
[15:35:13] <Tom_itx> could be
[15:36:23] <Jymmm> Is there a limitaion on length from switch to load?
[15:36:38] <Tom_itx> how much wire is on the roll?
[15:36:51] <Jymmm> lol, fair enough =)
[15:37:11] <Tom_itx> there is a limit but i doubt a light will exceed it
[15:37:46] <Jymmm> I was going to add an outside outlet for xmas lights, but the switch itself will be about 30ft away
[15:38:05] <Tom_itx> should be fine
[15:38:10] <Jymmm> k
[15:38:20] <Tom_itx> 12 or 14 ga?
[15:38:26] <Jymmm> 12ga
[15:38:32] <Tom_itx> you're fine then
[15:38:41] <Tom_itx> you use 12 on outlets
[15:38:48] <Tom_itx> 20A
[15:38:58] <Jymmm> Yeah, screw that 15A/14ga crap
[15:39:11] <Tom_itx> you can do that for overhead lights
[15:39:21] <Jymmm> I opened up the panel yesterday, YEOW....
[15:39:28] <Tom_itx> no outlets
[15:39:45] <Jymmm> 4/0 ALUMINUM + 1/0 for Neutral
[15:40:05] <Tom_itx> mains?
[15:40:08] <Jymmm> yeah
[15:40:25] <Tom_itx> it's ok if they butter up the connectors
[15:40:35] <Jymmm> hahaha
[15:40:48] <Tom_itx> copper costs too much to run from the pole
[15:42:40] <Jymmm> It's weird... There is underground service in the front which has the meter and a 200A breaker + 20A 220 breaker, then goes to another outdoor service box thats 30ft to the rear, which has a 150A breaker, then into the panel which has a 200A breaker.
[15:43:14] <Sync_> zeeshan: do you happen to know if that JIC 37° hydraulic stuff will seal into a straight bore with thread sufficiently?
[15:43:21] <Tom_itx> one of them is wrong
[15:43:50] <Wolf_> jic, not really
[15:44:14] <Sync_> well, I'd jam it in there with some tape or loctite threadsealant
[15:44:21] <Sync_> but I'd rather not have to machine the taper
[15:44:33] <Wolf_> jic is straight thread
[15:45:09] <Tom_itx> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum_wire
[15:45:11] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Well, not sure. I think the panel's 200A breaker came facotry installed, but they added the 150A due to the 220@20A branch that goes to a water pump
[15:45:35] <Tom_itx> what about the 3rd one?
[15:46:29] <Jymmm> Service -> meter/200A+20A --> Rear 150A --> Panel w/ 200A
[15:47:10] <zeeshan> back
[15:47:18] <zeeshan> sync no it wont seal
[15:47:25] <zeeshan> but they make fittings meant for straight thread
[15:47:32] <zeeshan> look for jic o-ring boss
[15:47:40] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, cut any turds yet?
[15:47:43] <zeeshan> http://cdn3.volusion.com/dfrau.gmyce/v/vspfiles/photos/6400-2.jpg?1340057344
[15:47:46] <zeeshan> basically looiks like that
[15:48:00] <zeeshan> the premium stuff has a rubber impregnanted metal washer
[15:48:03] <Wolf_> you can get jic to npt fittings
[15:48:13] <zeeshan> jic to npt works
[15:48:18] <zeeshan> but for car applications i try to avoid
[15:48:25] <zeeshan> cause they stick outt too much ;[
[15:48:32] <Tom_itx> that's funny, my friend needed one of those yesterday
[15:48:39] <Wolf_> most jic shit I have runs at 4000psi
[15:48:45] <zeeshan> Sync_: http://www.discounthydraulichose.com/v/vspfiles/photos/6801-2.jpg
[15:48:52] <Jymmm> looks like a gas fitting
[15:48:54] <Sync_> yeah
[15:49:03] <Sync_> I know that I can adapt it
[15:49:16] <Sync_> but I need a pressure sensor Y
[15:49:19] <zeeshan> maybe i didnt understand the q
[15:49:30] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: nope :P
[15:49:32] <Sync_> and I can machine that just fine
[15:49:34] <zeeshan> maybe later tonight or tommo
[15:49:37] <zeeshan> making bellow covers first
[15:49:37] <Sync_> but the 37° taper is annoying
[15:49:38] <zeeshan> for z
[15:49:43] <Tom_itx> did you get your lathe cam figured out?
[15:49:49] <Sync_> so I thought I could maybe get away with not machining that :P
[15:49:50] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: ghetto rigged it
[15:49:53] <zeeshan> g54 and g55'ed it
[15:49:56] <zeeshan> and manuallyt moved the geometry in cad
[15:49:58] <Sync_> and just yoloing it
[15:50:09] <zeeshan> Sync_: if you want the cad for it
[15:50:13] <zeeshan> i got
[15:50:15] <Tom_itx> well it worked didn't it?
[15:50:19] <zeeshan> i did it based on the standard..
[15:50:28] <zeeshan> that bullshit standard costs a lot of money to find online
[15:50:38] <zeeshan> i couldnt find it when i loked
[15:50:49] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: yep :P
[15:50:54] <zeeshan> with some tweaking and a near crash
[15:51:19] <Tom_itx> miss is good as a mile
[15:51:39] <zeeshan> hehe
[15:51:59] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: i posted the lathe for sale
[15:52:00] <zeeshan> :)
[15:52:10] <Tom_itx> how much?
[15:52:15] <zeeshan> 2500
[15:52:32] <Tom_itx> what's the chuck size?
[15:52:51] <zeeshan> 3 jaw?
[15:52:59] <Tom_itx> 3 or 4
[15:53:02] <zeeshan> 6" for 3 jaw
[15:53:06] <zeeshan> 8" for 4 jaw
[15:53:10] <Tom_itx> not bad
[15:53:14] <Tom_itx> china?
[15:53:20] <zeeshan> the 3 jaw is phase ii
[15:53:23] <zeeshan> so quality taiwanese
[15:53:26] <zeeshan> the 4 jaw is china
[15:54:04] <zeeshan> i hope i sell it soon
[15:55:18] <Sync_> meh fuck
[15:55:28] <Sync_> there are also no real good options for small pressure transducers
[15:55:36] <zeeshan> whatcha lookin for
[15:57:02] <Sync_> basically a fuel pressure sensor
[15:57:27] <zeeshan> most car ones are 1/8 npt
[15:57:33] <Jymmm> In a panel, isn't the idea to "balance" 110V loads between L1 and L2 ?
[15:57:35] <zeeshan> with a massive body :(
[15:57:39] <Sync_> yeah
[15:57:42] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, yes
[15:57:42] <Sync_> which is the problem
[15:57:55] <zeeshan> Jymmm: its not needed
[15:58:16] <Tom_itx> it's a good idea
[15:58:18] <zeeshan> good panels like eaton
[15:58:21] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Ok, is that 2nd breaker on the left "blanicng" ??? http://i.imgur.com/LSB8klA.jpg
[15:58:25] <zeeshan> oversize their bus bars :)
[15:58:33] * zeeshan wants everyone to notice the eaton reference
[15:58:36] <zeeshan> :D
[15:58:36] <Jymmm> balanicng*
[15:59:18] <zeeshan> yay
[15:59:21] <zeeshan> youre using eaton breakers
[15:59:21] <zeeshan> :D
[16:00:16] <Sync_> blegh. it seems like there is no good option
[16:00:18] <zeeshan> Jymmm: that is a clean wiring job
[16:00:26] <zeeshan> whoevedid it is a pro
[16:00:30] <zeeshan> with the way they laid out the wire
[16:00:57] <Wolf_> too clean, has to be a homeowner job
[16:01:09] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not?
[16:01:16] <zeeshan> Jymmm: it's not sarcasm
[16:01:28] <zeeshan> why do you guys think im mean
[16:01:39] <zeeshan> too much troll session i think
[16:01:46] * Jymmm nods
[16:01:53] <zeeshan> Jymmm: notice youre neutral wires
[16:01:57] <zeeshan> how they've been bent
[16:01:58] <zeeshan> and organized
[16:02:04] <zeeshan> ive only seen industrial electricians do that
[16:02:07] <zeeshan> not ressy
[16:02:21] <Jymmm> zeeshan: on the screw terminal on the right side?
[16:02:25] <zeeshan> yes
[16:02:28] <zeeshan> and also all your breakers on the right
[16:02:29] <zeeshan> and bottom left
[16:02:40] <Jymmm> oh the right anfgles you mean?
[16:02:42] <zeeshan> yes
[16:03:27] <Wolf_> odd, my panel is wired like that too
[16:03:29] <zeeshan> this is a sub panel we're looking at right?
[16:03:36] <Jymmm> you ahven't seen the BOTTOM half of the panel yet =)
[16:03:36] <zeeshan> cause you have no isolation barries
[16:03:40] <zeeshan> for the main breaker
[16:03:53] <Jymmm> zeeshan: that's the MAIN panel
[16:03:56] <zeeshan> lol
[16:04:01] <zeeshan> must be an old install
[16:04:09] <CaptHindsight> http://s3.amazonaws.com/f01.justanswer.com/JACUSTOMER4ds4e2ju/2013-02-20_211331_001.jpg it should be more like this
[16:04:17] <Jymmm> OH yeah. 1973 I think
[16:04:39] <CaptHindsight> black wire must have been on sale that week :)
[16:04:39] <Sync_> zeeshan: bosch psm-sa looks acceptable
[16:04:42] <Wolf_> I was going to say, ground and neutrals are bonded, main panel
[16:05:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.pesnj.com/uploads/2/9/5/1/2951424/7859030_orig.jpg
[16:06:08] <Jymmm> Heres the bottom half of the panel http://i.imgur.com/Rs1pSeQ.jpg
[16:07:02] <Wolf_> smurf tube knockout connectors?
[16:07:16] <CaptHindsight> romex panels tend to be more messy
[16:07:19] <Jymmm> See that blk grommet? That's where four 12ga wires will be going =)
[16:07:32] <zeeshan> Sync_: looks standard sized?
[16:07:39] <zeeshan> unless the pic is misleading me
[16:07:39] <zeeshan> :D
[16:07:56] <zeeshan> ah its a m8x1 o-ring boss fitting
[16:08:01] <Sync_> yeah
[16:08:27] <zeeshan> unless an inch
[16:08:28] <zeeshan> not bad
[16:08:32] <zeeshan> for how tall it standards
[16:08:36] <CaptHindsight> LOL https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2021/2364504489_a5f0b26f69_b.jpg
[16:09:07] <Sync_> now I need to find a way to source that stuff
[16:09:25] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: What's so funny? That's hwo you are suppose to wire up a Y-Flux capacitor!!!
[16:09:46] <zeeshan> one thing i've noticed about resi panels that a lot of people dont know about
[16:10:00] <Jymmm> zeeshan: never big enough?
[16:10:00] <zeeshan> a bunch of them have a limitation on what size breaker you can put across each other
[16:10:24] <zeeshan> like one panel states you can't have more than 60A breakers
[16:10:28] <zeeshan> across each other
[16:10:49] <Jymmm> what do you mean "each other" ??
[16:10:56] <zeeshan> ----- -----
[16:11:00] <Sync_> http://www.mclarenelectronics.com/Content/Products/Pressure%20Sensor%20-%20Amplified%20Micro/Pressure%20Sensor%20-%20Amplified%20Micro.pdf mclaren also makes pretty small pressure sensors
[16:11:01] <zeeshan> -----a -------b
[16:11:06] <zeeshan> -----c -------d
[16:11:12] <zeeshan> a & b = across each other
[16:11:14] <Wolf_> thats why I use commercial grade panels at home
[16:11:18] <zeeshan> yea wolf
[16:11:24] <zeeshan> they're not that much more
[16:12:00] <zeeshan> man im so excited for tuesday
[16:12:05] <Wolf_> 250 square d qo i think
[16:12:17] <zeeshan> F square d
[16:12:18] <zeeshan> eaton!!!!!!!!
[16:12:21] <zeeshan> prl 1/2a!
[16:12:30] <Wolf_> lol
[16:12:49] <zeeshan> at the interview
[16:12:59] <zeeshan> i was like "im looking forward to working here"
[16:13:07] <zeeshan> "i love the eaton brand, i run your vfds!
[16:13:08] <zeeshan> "
[16:13:09] <zeeshan> haha
[16:13:17] <Wolf_> lol
[16:13:49] <CaptHindsight> did you wear an Eaton t-shirt to the interview?
[16:13:54] <zeeshan> almost wanted to!
[16:14:39] <CaptHindsight> or a "square-d sucks" hat
[16:15:01] <zeeshan> everything my schenider electric sucks
[16:15:02] <zeeshan> :-)
[16:15:06] <zeeshan> jk
[16:15:10] <zeeshan> square d is good stuff
[16:15:20] <SolarNRG> OMG how do you even make it to interviews?
[16:15:49] * Wolf_ suggests a car
[16:15:53] <Sync_> ^
[16:16:09] <CaptHindsight> it starts by using gooder grammer and speeling on your resum
[16:16:09] <SolarNRG> what country are you in?
[16:16:23] <zeeshan> best country in the world
[16:16:26] <zeeshan> you get 2 guesses
[16:16:29] <zeeshan> first one doesnt count
[16:16:29] <SolarNRG> what new zealand?
[16:16:32] <zeeshan> haha
[16:16:38] <zeeshan> canada
[16:17:16] <SolarNRG> does it pay minimum wage?
[16:17:26] <zeeshan> wat
[16:17:32] <Wolf_> lol
[16:18:10] <SolarNRG> does your wage pay enough for you to live in a 1 bedroom bedsit with a shared bathroom, shared kitchen, to walk to work every day and eat only lentils and rice with no electricity or running water, can you jsut about afford that there?
[16:19:14] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: didn't the description for "GFCI QC Tester" concern you when they asked if you were ok with jumping into a swimming pool several hundred times a day?
[16:19:34] <XXCoder> such thing as shared kictchen and bathroom apt in usa?
[16:19:46] <SolarNRG> CaptHindsight, if I were an olympic diverboard champion sure
[16:20:05] <Wolf_> I’ve rented a room in a house before
[16:20:19] <SolarNRG> what I'm implying is that the wages barely pay to get by let alone live
[16:21:04] <Wolf_> but, I haven’t seen a min wage job since highschool...
[16:21:18] <zeeshan> same here
[16:21:19] <SolarNRG> i haven't seen a job in 10 years
[16:21:25] <zeeshan> i was like 15 last time iworked amin wage job
[16:21:30] <zeeshan> @ grocery store :D
[16:21:35] <Sync_> ^
[16:21:37] <zeeshan> 4011 - code for bananas
[16:21:39] <zeeshan> :(
[16:21:56] <SolarNRG> grocery stores make a huge %age markup on bananas
[16:22:25] <CaptHindsight> well they do grow on trees
[16:22:53] <SolarNRG> hmmm, perhaps I should plant bananas in my back yard and make some good money :) hee hee
[16:22:54] <Wolf_> lol. I went from grill cook at a friendlys restaurant to heavy equip operator for Flow Int, on the kennedy center hydromilling job they did on the parking garage there
[16:23:11] <SolarNRG> how did you get that job?
[16:23:16] <zeeshan> fuck
[16:23:17] <zeeshan> its hailing
[16:23:18] <zeeshan> my CAR
[16:23:21] <zeeshan> brb
[16:23:24] <Wolf_> knew a guy
[16:23:31] <XXCoder> hail
[16:23:33] <SolarNRG> how did you get to know the guy?
[16:23:44] <Wolf_> family friend
[16:24:05] <SolarNRG> great so unless you got a family friend you are going nowhere in this world, figures
[16:24:30] <Wolf_> I’ve never had to search for work, but I have a large skill set also…
[16:24:40] <SolarNRG> how did you get a large skill set?
[16:24:56] <Wolf_> learn shit like a sponge
[16:25:08] <SolarNRG> does learning shit off youtube and doing it in your back yard count?
[16:25:31] <Wolf_> somewhat, helps if its a useful skill tho lol
[16:25:36] <SolarNRG> like welding
[16:25:44] <SolarNRG> or using an angle grinder
[16:25:49] <SolarNRG> or mixing cement
[16:26:04] <Wolf_> welding work is a tricky one to get in to
[16:26:16] <SolarNRG> what's easy to get into?
[16:26:18] <XXCoder> be a shit sponge ok
[16:26:37] <Wolf_> crap work usually
[16:27:01] <XXCoder> heard underwater welding nets you massive pay
[16:27:11] <XXCoder> most quit after year or two, so theyre always hiring
[16:27:16] <XXCoder> hell work though
[16:27:18] <Wolf_> highest paying mostly no skill job I have had was driving a tow truck
[16:27:29] <SolarNRG> now we're talking, how do you get a job doing underwater welding?
[16:27:37] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: college usually
[16:27:47] <Wolf_> step one, get scuba cert…
[16:28:00] <Wolf_> which isn’t cheap
[16:28:00] <SolarNRG> how do you get the scuba certificate?
[16:28:01] <XXCoder> then have actual welding skill
[16:28:04] <XXCoder> https://www.diversinstitute.edu/underwater-welding/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=under%20water%20welding&keyword=under%20water%20welding&utm_content=47295636932&utm_campaign=Search+|+Welding+|+Alpha&gclid=Cj0KEQjw35-vBRD3qKz8hPezlIIBEiQAOeKNrrwbeTb94JBAvdl8IQzR3RIoFBrXxvJP8d3GPKqtCz4aAhzJ8P8HAQ
[16:28:06] <XXCoder> example
[16:28:21] <XXCoder> oh that one teaches everything
[16:28:26] <XXCoder> so no prior exp needed
[16:28:40] <Wolf_> just $$$$$$$ i bet
[16:28:52] <Sync_> mostly having welded before
[16:28:56] <XXCoder> worth it if can hack underwater and welding
[16:29:00] <XXCoder> pay is insane
[16:29:00] <Sync_> and then being interested on going offshore
[16:29:02] <Sync_> yeah
[16:29:04] <Sync_> work is also shit
[16:29:13] <SolarNRG> I been welding for years, easy. But how do you get the $$$$$ to pay for the course?
[16:29:28] <Sync_> by welding
[16:29:38] <XXCoder> http://waterwelders.com/swim-salary-how-much-do-underwater-welders-earn/
[16:29:45] <Sync_> get certified and weld for a living
[16:30:02] <SolarNRG> how do you get certified to do normal welding?
[16:30:21] <Wolf_> lol, the certified welder catch 22...
[16:30:32] <SolarNRG> That's the problem, I can weld, but I can't prove to an employer that I can weld
[16:30:45] <XXCoder> bring your weld samples
[16:31:00] <XXCoder> butt join, 90 angle, something round maybe
[16:31:05] <XXCoder> show your skill
[16:31:11] <Wolf_> ask them for a copy of their weld qualification requirements
[16:31:12] <SolarNRG> so my cone I welded, and my chicken coup and my penis statue and my shelves?
[16:31:26] <Wolf_> weld up a coupon and bring it in
[16:31:37] <SolarNRG> a coupon!? weld a coupon!? wtf?
[16:31:44] <CaptHindsight> I'd probably leave the penis statue at home
[16:31:53] <Wolf_> sample weld that they send out for testing
[16:31:54] <SolarNRG> CaptHindsight, thanks for the advice
[16:32:02] <XXCoder> probably, if only because police would arrest
[16:32:19] <Wolf_> thats how you get qualified for whatever weld you are doing
[16:32:20] <SolarNRG> what for obscene art or some shitty ordenance?
[16:32:22] <XXCoder> depends on location. lol
[16:33:36] <Deejay> gn8
[16:33:56] <Sync_> http://geotekeng.com/_client_media/item_photos/gall_479_img_163.jpg SolarNRG
[16:34:40] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: middle of article I linked to is interesting
[16:34:46] <SolarNRG> that's some pretty thick metal that I would send somewhere I know to get bent like that I don't have the machinery to bend metal that thic
[16:34:51] <XXCoder> below country differences
[16:35:12] <XXCoder> machine? sync did it by hand ;)
[16:35:17] <SolarNRG> fuckoff
[16:35:25] <XXCoder> lol
[16:35:29] <SolarNRG> you did NOT bend that by hand
[16:35:33] <XXCoder> me?
[16:35:42] <Wolf_> if you get the metal warm enough you can
[16:35:48] <SolarNRG> mr T couldn;t bend that shit
[16:35:55] <Sync_> with a large enough lever I bend everything
[16:36:02] <SolarNRG> yeah ok maybe if it was heated up to 1000 degrees you could
[16:36:17] <SolarNRG> sync, even with a 25f scaffold pole you wouldn't bend that shit
[16:36:41] <Sync_> you'd be suprised
[16:36:45] <Wolf_> we bend 1.5” solid round bar stock in the shop by hand
[16:36:59] <SolarNRG> how long's the bar?
[16:37:01] <XXCoder> dunno if could but power does increase with leverage. once had teacher ask question about truck bolt and 20 feet breaker bar
[16:37:08] <Wolf_> two foot
[16:37:10] <XXCoder> it turns out force was over 2 million newtons
[16:37:17] <XXCoder> bolt shattered.
[16:37:19] <zeeshan> sigma = mc / I , solve it
[16:37:20] <zeeshan> :P
[16:37:30] <zeeshan> m = force * distance
[16:37:33] <SolarNRG> how many of you bending it?
[16:37:50] <Wolf_> one
[16:38:02] <XXCoder> as of myself, I'm a wimp so I doubt I can, even with 20 feet bar
[16:38:11] <SolarNRG> I can just about bend 1.5mm thick, 12mm stainless pipe by hand but anythign thicker than about 3mm sheet forget it
[16:38:13] <Wolf_> pump lever on the press is a one man job
[16:38:23] <SolarNRG> ohhhh you got a press
[16:38:32] <SolarNRG> that's easy
[16:38:42] <SolarNRG> I took my 4mm stainless to get bent by some dude with a press
[16:38:44] <Wolf_> fuck working hard :D
[16:38:59] <Sync_> seriously, with a 5m cheaterpipe you can bend the cupon
[16:39:01] <PetefromTn_> the answer is 4.....what was the question again?
[16:39:26] <CaptHindsight> Sync_: do you recall posting some links a few months back about a polymer concrete lathe?
[16:39:43] <CaptHindsight> it wasn't a hobby project
[16:40:02] <Wolf_> I kinda miss the tow truck work, usually had something fun once a month like http://i.imgur.com/w2YEh8K.jpg
[16:40:05] <Sync_> oh it was a hobby project iirc
[16:40:29] <XXCoder> drunk limo driver?
[16:40:36] <XXCoder> or failed to turn?
[16:41:01] <Wolf_> not sure wtf he was thinking, tried to turn a super stretch around in a driveway
[16:41:06] <SolarNRG> wow it sure is green where you live
[16:41:26] <Wolf_> suv taking a nap http://i.imgur.com/NvMMLDR.jpg
[16:42:02] <XXCoder> aww cute suv taking a nap :P
[16:42:27] <Wolf_> I wish I had pics of the lambo loaded on teh roll back on its roof
[16:43:08] <Wolf_> guy rolled a diablo over on a 35mph street
[16:43:59] <SolarNRG> did you ever get attacked for attempting to tow the wrong dude's motor?
[16:44:31] <Wolf_> nope, never towed the wrong dudes car
[16:44:32] <Sync_> I always laugh when I see old SUVs flip
[16:44:56] <Sync_> I wonder why most of the 2000gen US domestic suvs do that
[16:44:57] <SolarNRG> did you ever get attacked?
[16:45:35] <SolarNRG> Sync_, designers who inherited jobs because of family connections not because of merit or skill that's why
[16:45:36] <Wolf_> naa I worked in a somewhat ok area, west side of baltimore city, ever seen The Wire?
[16:45:39] <Wolf_> :D
[16:45:58] <SolarNRG> weren't there loads of riots in baltimore not long ago?
[16:46:10] <SolarNRG> is it ok there now?
[16:46:22] <Wolf_> yeah, that whole area they burned down was where I use to work
[16:46:30] <SolarNRG> shit!
[16:46:40] <SolarNRG> martial law, national guard and shit
[16:46:45] <Wolf_> I live almost a hour away now
[16:54:07] <Wolf_> hmm, if I was thinking I would be sitting in the shop in front of the mill fuckign off vs sitting in the house not doing a damn thing, have like 6 runs to make the control panel for my mill sitting here
[16:55:46] <malcom2073> heh
[16:56:07] <malcom2073> I have a mess of wiring sitting on my table waiting for me to stop fucking off and actually do something with it. Screw progress, youtube is cooler
[16:56:29] <Wolf_> well, I could be watching youtube while the mill is going lol
[16:56:37] <Wolf_> or turning a ball screw
[16:56:39] <malcom2073> lol
[16:56:43] <Wolf_> or all 3
[16:56:51] <malcom2073> I need to get internet in my garage
[16:56:52] <malcom2073> and AC
[16:56:56] <malcom2073> bet I'd spend more time there if I had that
[16:57:07] <Tom_itx> i would if it had AC
[16:57:27] <Tom_itx> it has interweb...
[16:57:28] <Wolf_> yeah, I ran wires out to my shop when I was upgrading the electric
[16:57:32] <andypugh> AC? Close to needing heating here
[16:57:48] <Tom_itx> that's not too far away
[16:57:54] <malcom2073> andypugh: It's getting there, I built a 10kw heater in the spring though, so I'm set there :-D
[16:58:08] <malcom2073> But the AC I put in died after 2 days :/
[16:58:14] <Wolf_> mine is around 180 feet from the house
[16:58:17] <SolarNRG> I just waiting for it to get cool enough so I can wash a few windows again for a few bucks
[16:58:19] <malcom2073> It was a spare unit from the attic, guess I know why it wasup there now lol
[16:58:33] <zeeshan> dont need ac inthe garage
[16:58:35] <zeeshan> do what i do
[16:58:36] <zeeshan> work naked
[16:58:43] <zeeshan> :D
[16:58:46] <andypugh> 13C in my workshop at the moment. That’s 55F I think
[16:58:50] <malcom2073> That's.... disturbing on levels
[16:58:53] <zeeshan> andypugh: wow thats cold :P
[16:59:01] <zeeshan> malcom2073: ill give you a more disturbing image
[16:59:03] <Wolf_> nekid stick welding ftw
[16:59:05] <SolarNRG> it was 40 deg c here last week
[16:59:08] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Hey! How about not?
[16:59:08] <malcom2073> :)
[16:59:11] <SolarNRG> ony 35 today
[16:59:18] <zeeshan> imagine me milling something while naked, and some hot chips stimulating my manhood
[16:59:24] <zeeshan> lovely feeling
[16:59:36] <andypugh> That’s only temporary relative to full-body arc-burn
[16:59:44] <zeeshan> lol
[17:00:04] <Wolf_> lol
[17:00:22] <zeeshan> man one day ill build a 2000sq ft shop
[17:00:25] <zeeshan> and have ac
[17:00:26] <Wolf_> given myself a tig tan a few times
[17:00:28] <zeeshan> and a mini bar fridge!
[17:01:17] <SolarNRG> a fridge in the garage packed to the brim with beer and toffee crisps mmmm :)
[17:01:19] <Wolf_> I need a shop almost that size...
[17:01:38] <Wolf_> have a fridge out there already lol
[17:01:40] <malcom2073> I need a concrete floor in my barn, I'd build a kickin shop out there
[17:01:51] <andypugh> OK, I left the patio door open to try to let a fly out. For a couple of hours. The fly is still here, but a moth has come to join it. I have been trying to evict the fly all week, as of now it gets swatted.
[17:02:06] <zeeshan> andypugh: just kill that pos
[17:02:09] <zeeshan> they're so annoying
[17:02:16] <zeeshan> i dont mind moths, spiders etc
[17:02:18] <Wolf_> vacuum cleaner
[17:02:25] <zeeshan> but 2 bastards are flies and mosquitios
[17:02:30] <zeeshan> they always wanna get touchy feely
[17:02:35] <andypugh> Indeed. The fly keep landing on my head.
[17:02:38] <zeeshan> yea
[17:02:40] <zeeshan> so retarded
[17:04:54] <SolarNRG> Hey I'm retarded, that's offensive!
[17:05:22] <SolarNRG> :p
[17:05:49] <SolarNRG> no but seriously I am actually retarded, so retarded I'm good at basically nothing but I'm not retarded enough to claim welfare
[17:06:03] <malcom2073> You need to work on that, couple of head injuries maybe?
[17:08:40] <CaptHindsight> http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/completely-paralyzed-man-voluntarily-moves-his-legs-ucla-scientists-report
[17:11:39] <malcom2073> Technology is amazing
[17:14:48] <SolarNRG> yeah a few bangs, few titanium plates, autism diagnosis, ptsd, someone even suggested I had a donning kruger complex like I bitch at other people's incompetencies but don't realise just how incompetent I am
[17:15:47] <SolarNRG> I mean I don't even spell no more, I got spellcheck to do that for me, I don't walk, I got a car to do that for me, I've just become technologically dependent to the fact I don't know how to do anything for myself anymore, if the internet goes down I haven't got a clue how to do anything because I'm so reliant on googling or duckduckgoing how to do shit
[17:16:11] <Wolf_Mill> that last part makes you sound like you are qualified to be upper/middle mangement at a company
[17:16:50] <zeeshan> noob
[17:16:54] <zeeshan> :D
[17:17:11] <SolarNRG> hahahahahhahaaha, they won't give me the TOILET CLEANER job, I'm not romanian enough, what makes u think they'd give me a management position?
[17:17:53] <Wolf_Mill> the picking on others incompetemcies
[17:18:04] <Wolf_Mill> while being incompetent
[17:18:42] <SolarNRG> yeah, but my whole beef with the medical industrial complex is not so much bitching at their incompetence, more of criticizing the big pharma influence on the education of medical staff in favor of allopathic medicine over hollistic medicine, they are good at a bad technique is what I'm getting at
[17:18:56] <andypugh> Wolf_Mill: Can’t spel incompetencies :-)
[17:19:18] <Wolf_Mill> no, I cant spell at all
[17:19:21] <SolarNRG> did I actually spell that right?
[17:19:54] <Wolf_Mill> no spell check on this box either lol
[17:20:00] <andypugh> I was just trying for a management role by not spelling “spell” correctly :-)
[17:20:21] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[17:20:34] <Wolf_Mill> I didnt even catch that part
[17:20:40] <malcom2073> I google the words I can't spell :-P
[17:20:52] <Wolf_Mill> I ask my phone
[17:21:02] <Tom_itx> i use different words i can't spell
[17:21:06] <SolarNRG> you gotta be smart to make it in this world, and I'm smart enough
[17:21:13] <SolarNRG> not smart enough
[17:21:13] <malcom2073> Phones should randomly respond with "Are you fucking stupid? The answer is: X"
[17:21:44] <Wolf_Mill> iphone almost does that, ask for a spelling and it goes stupid
[17:21:55] <maZer`-> hi all
[17:22:23] <malcom2073> stupid how?
[17:22:37] <Wolf_Mill> wont give you the spelling
[17:22:57] <zeeshan> i dunno whats going on with my stawberry plant
[17:22:59] <malcom2073> Hmm, I just tried it, worked for me :P
[17:23:01] <malcom2073> Not funny enough
[17:23:02] <zeeshan> all summer it was dformat
[17:23:05] <zeeshan> and in the last week
[17:23:10] <zeeshan> ive pulled 25+ strawberries off it
[17:23:14] <zeeshan> moody thing
[17:25:18] <maZer`-> is here someone familiar with heidenhain tnc 151 ? :D
[17:26:14] <SolarNRG> looks like a sophisticated stepper motor driver controller to pc interface
[17:26:24] <zeeshan> mazer yes
[17:26:35] <zeeshan> sup
[17:27:02] <maZer`-> wow! :D
[17:31:41] <Wolf_Mill> damn I need a bigger mill...
[17:32:02] <malcom2073> Indeed
[17:32:05] <malcom2073> Me too
[17:32:18] <SolarNRG> can I have ur old one?
[17:32:22] <Wolf_Mill> control panel part is 12.5" wide...
[17:32:37] <SolarNRG> and can I have it on loan, like I'll pay u back the cost of the machine plus shipping in about 2 years is that alright?
[17:32:49] <Wolf_Mill> mill table is 9.5"
[17:32:59] <malcom2073> SolarNRG: Hope you're not talking to me, my machine isn't exactly shippable :-P
[17:33:16] <SolarNRG> what is it too big even for a contanier?
[17:33:30] <malcom2073> Hmm, it'd fit in a shipping container if you took the top motors off, they're 8ft tall yeah?
[17:33:36] <Wolf_Mill> mine is sorta shippabe but cheaper to get one local used...
[17:33:40] <SolarNRG> that's a beast!
[17:33:54] <malcom2073> It's a knee mill, but it's tall
[17:33:54] <SolarNRG> oh btw I found a vacuum pump
[17:33:56] <SolarNRG> 2 stage
[17:34:04] <SolarNRG> but it's like 220 euros and ull never guess who sells them
[17:34:10] <SolarNRG> the air conditioning repair shop does!
[17:34:11] <malcom2073> Harbor freight?
[17:34:15] <malcom2073> Huh
[17:34:32] <SolarNRG> when u live in greece for a bit u'll understand u can't jsut buy shit online no more
[17:34:45] <malcom2073> I don't think I want to tbh
[17:35:10] <Wolf_Mill> not a suprise, you need to pull ac system down to vacume before putting the refridgerant in it
[17:35:28] <zeeshan> is greece even a country anymore
[17:35:36] <zeeshan> i thought euro exhiled em
[17:35:37] <zeeshan> :P
[17:36:00] <SolarNRG> idk, tspiras lied, sold us out then resigned
[17:36:38] <CaptHindsight> politicians don't lie
[17:36:43] <SolarNRG> all I know is we're broke, everything's expensive, i can't get an atm card we not paid our bills for nothing in months and we got a baby coming in the next few days
[17:36:57] <SolarNRG> oh and we can't pay the hospital so we're doign homebirth
[17:37:03] <SolarNRG> so yeah :) great life
[17:37:32] <tiwake> SolarNRG: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugfCkqXdBok
[17:37:56] <tiwake> I think of that every time I see your nick
[17:37:58] <SolarNRG> tiwake, THANKS THAT'S REALLY CHEERED ME UP
[17:38:42] <SolarNRG> I should totally sue for copyright or something
[17:39:00] <SolarNRG> oh but I can't afford a lawyer so :p
[17:39:05] <tiwake> heh
[17:39:13] <SolarNRG> sux being broke
[17:39:28] <tiwake> oh, you live in greece?
[17:39:40] <SolarNRG> yeah, as close to hell as you can imagine
[17:39:42] <tiwake> just now read up a little
[17:40:10] <tiwake> did greece switch currencies?
[17:40:11] <SolarNRG> gentrification combined with a collapsing banking sector doesn't help at all, jsut renders us to beign housebound except for our weekly lidl shop
[17:40:16] <tiwake> or stick with the euro
[17:40:20] <SolarNRG> no still euro atm
[17:40:30] <Wolf_Mill> so broke here this is all the ruler I can afford http://i.imgur.com/b0Acv3c.jpg
[17:40:31] <SolarNRG> just everything is EVEN MORE expensive
[17:40:35] <tiwake> ah ok... how close was that vote?
[17:40:54] <SolarNRG> omg 2 inch wonder
[17:41:09] <SolarNRG> it doesn't matter, politics is jsut a game of who can lie the best
[17:41:21] <zeeshan> cute ruller
[17:41:21] <zeeshan> :D
[17:41:31] <tiwake> for the most part, yeah
[17:42:28] <tiwake> as long as texas stands, there is hope for the free world
[17:42:35] <tiwake> XD
[17:42:57] <SolarNRG> I can't condone Tyler Texas prohibition of alcohol sorry
[17:43:11] <SolarNRG> that's not free
[17:43:40] <tiwake> talking about the state, Texas... I dont know anything about a person with such a name
[17:44:06] <SolarNRG> there's a dry county in east texas I stayed there for a while had to drive 70 miles to dallas to get a beer
[17:44:19] <SolarNRG> and even then I got id'd to shit
[17:44:30] <SolarNRG> like no drinking till 21? wtf no wonder american kids are all doing drugs
[17:44:48] <SolarNRG> flew back to europe drink aged 18 no problemo
[17:44:53] <tiwake> *shrug* when I turned 21 I got myself a violin and a CCW
[17:45:00] <SolarNRG> hahaha
[17:45:57] <tiwake> only started drinking when I started working graveyard shift to aid sleep
[17:45:59] <SolarNRG> I thought 2nd ammendment said you had the right to keep and bare arms, why do you need the government to say you're allowed to bare your own arms when you already got that right guaranteed by the constitution?
[17:46:24] <tiwake> I know right? ask the politicians
[17:46:48] <Wolf_Mill> in a place that they seem to forget that they are governed by laws and not the will of the gov...
[17:47:13] <tiwake> the 11th amendment is severely bastardized too
[17:47:22] <SolarNRG> If I didn't know better I'd say the British have retaken the white house by stealth and King George is up to his old tricks again
[17:47:24] <Wolf_Mill> think all my gear shrunk http://i.imgur.com/4BdVC5Z.jpg
[17:48:23] <Valen> I'm always amazed at how "free" americans are, generally to be bound up by arcane local laws, random policing and borderline poverty
[17:49:06] <SolarNRG> I also find it ironic that at the UN The US government sees itself as the leaders of the free world when they have so many of their own people incarcerated, more people in fact than the whole of Europe and Russia combined
[17:49:15] <tiwake> screw the UN
[17:49:22] <renesis> UN is useless
[17:49:25] <tiwake> aye
[17:49:37] <SolarNRG> Actually they have once agreed a long time ago
[17:49:41] <SolarNRG> most of the time they don't agree
[17:49:42] <renesis> UN is supposed to promote peace and stop wars, theyve never stopped a war ever
[17:49:52] <Valen> I mean from outside everything we see about America seems to be how most people over there are poor, uneducated, fearful, but have lots of guns
[17:50:00] <SolarNRG> but in Cyprus they unanimously agreed to cut the island in two, turks get the north, greeks get the south
[17:50:11] <renesis> valen: fuck america
[17:50:16] <renesis> california uber alless
[17:50:18] <Wolf_Mill> UN does a great job atdestabling regons tho
[17:50:25] <tiwake> the peoples republic of califorina
[17:50:25] <SolarNRG> 1974 the only time in history all 5 permanent members of the UN all agreed on ANYTHING
[17:50:39] <renesis> valen: youre basically talking about a vocal minority
[17:50:42] <PetefromTn_> fuck america?????
[17:50:42] <SolarNRG> The UN destabilises regions because 99% of the time they don't agree
[17:50:51] <Valen> I wouldn't go that far, it just feels like they have lost their way
[17:50:56] <renesis> i mean, you can keep going on about it, but youre wrong
[17:51:09] <renesis> haha lost our way, govs always been doing fucked shit
[17:51:13] <SolarNRG> It's the member states of the UN still bickering and fighting which is why it doesn't work
[17:51:16] <CaptHindsight> Valen: that's not too far off, most people are blind to it though
[17:51:27] <renesis> you still buy our movies and watch our TV and music
[17:51:33] <renesis> use our software
[17:51:40] <SolarNRG> actually I've been watchign a lot of bollywood lately
[17:51:46] <Valen> I use linux
[17:51:51] <SolarNRG> what distro?
[17:51:55] <Valen> ubuntu
[17:51:56] <renesis> because silicon valley and los angeles, all stuffed with the rednecks with guns you speak of
[17:52:31] <Valen> I am generalising a society of 350 million, you think there may be some scope for exceptions there?
[17:52:33] <PetefromTn_> we got a few of those around here too ;)
[17:52:55] <renesis> valen: youre talking about the exception as if its the country and wondering why
[17:53:07] <Valen> I mean donald trump is a viable candidate for election to prez
[17:53:09] <CaptHindsight> Valen: we are far more worse off then we were in the 50-70's
[17:53:12] <renesis> you said most people
[17:53:27] <renesis> yeah well the republicans are fucked up for a long time and now they reap what they sew
[17:53:31] <renesis> trump is a joke
[17:53:42] <SolarNRG> ALL POLITICIANS ARE LIARS, TRUST NONE OF THEM
[17:53:53] <renesis> hes pandering to the most active and extreme corner of the party, which are racist rednecks
[17:54:02] <SolarNRG> I vote "none of the above"
[17:54:03] <renesis> and yeah, what solarnrg said
[17:54:10] <CaptHindsight> the majority of that party :)
[17:54:13] <renesis> bernie sanders is actually pretty cool
[17:54:16] <Valen> CaptHindsight: the entire western world (that is aligned with america) is like that unfortunately
[17:54:19] <renesis> i dont think its a majority
[17:54:22] <Valen> sanders I can respect
[17:54:29] <PetefromTn_> you gotta be kiddin me
[17:54:31] <renesis> its people from the south and midwest mostly
[17:54:34] <Valen> I really hope you guys elect him
[17:54:37] <SolarNRG> I vote "take your police, your dhs, your irs, your taxmen, your fbi, your nsa, your cia all of it and shut it down"
[17:54:39] <CaptHindsight> Valen: I agree and it's not by accident
[17:54:41] <renesis> its no diff than palin
[17:54:56] <renesis> and palin pulled a lot of press and votes, but was a loser in the end
[17:55:32] <SolarNRG> I vote not to be a slave
[17:55:40] <renesis> trump is making repubs accept that theyve been fueled buy religious racist morons for the past 40 years
[17:56:06] <renesis> they try and keep it on the down low, but hes putting it out there and they cant stop him
[17:56:30] <Valen> and the tea party
[17:56:43] <renesis> the tea party is a mde up thing
[17:56:49] <Valen> I mean to glorify anti-intellectualism to such a degree
[17:56:58] <renesis> it isnt one movement, it doesnt have a cohesive platform
[17:57:02] <SolarNRG> just by voting either democrat or republican ur just feeding the trolls
[17:57:05] <Wolf_Mill> trump has a following cause he isnt spounting off the same BS as the rest running for office, but he is totally full of a diffrent form of shit
[17:57:08] <CaptHindsight> Valen: yes, it started in the early 60's
[17:57:23] <SolarNRG> both parties get funded by bilderberg group
[17:57:32] <CaptHindsight> Valen: and really took off during the Cheney years
[17:57:36] <tiwake> renesis: it does, its called the constitution
[17:57:45] <renesis> ant intellectuallism is part of the religion connection
[17:57:58] <SolarNRG> you honestly think ANY government worldwide has any respect for any constitution?
[17:57:59] <renesis> tiwake: naw sorry theyre not about that
[17:58:11] <renesis> tea party has opposing views, within itself
[17:58:17] <renesis> because its not a cohesive movement
[17:58:23] <SolarNRG> Royal family does not respect the magna carta, us gov doesn't respect the us constitution, hell Greece doesn't respect its own constitution
[17:58:27] <renesis> and its mostly racist assholes
[17:58:29] <tiwake> donno, I've never heard that
[17:58:52] <renesis> well then you dont watch or read much news
[17:59:08] <SolarNRG> most news is just propaganda anyway
[17:59:20] <CaptHindsight> Valen: the politics in the news here is similar to reality TV shows
[17:59:23] <renesis> seriously the tea party is a mix of dissimilar local movements and organized 'grass roots' funding from republicans
[17:59:32] <SolarNRG> CaptHindsight, yeah politics is a puppet show
[17:59:51] <renesis> their platforms are all over the place and sometime in opposition with itself
[17:59:56] <Valen> I don't think modern democracy is compatible with 24/7 news cycle
[17:59:58] <SolarNRG> I still think wargames 1983 had the right idea "THE ONLY WAY TO WIN IS TO NOT PLAY"
[18:00:13] <renesis> and accept that were an anarchy?
[18:00:20] <renesis> and always have been, always will be
[18:00:25] <SolarNRG> worked great from 1776 to 1913
[18:00:47] <renesis> why just because no fed or something?
[18:00:52] <SolarNRG> in fact in the war of 1812 there were private armies and ships BIGGER than what the US gov had
[18:01:01] <renesis> how did it work great if it created the situation which allowed it to be instated?
[18:01:13] <SolarNRG> the federal reserve isn't federal, it's owned by stocks and shareholders of the 6 main banks
[18:01:18] <CaptHindsight> 24/7 news, missinformation and social media
[18:01:35] <Valen> I reckon the real issue is people don't have to think with TV, they get told things designed to provoke them, but they have no time to contemplate what is being said
[18:01:43] <tiwake> http://thepeoplescube.com/current-truth/obama-lowers-sea-levels-but-sadly-discovers-atlantis-t2168.html
[18:01:56] <renesis> anyway, tea party is republicans, or libertarians which are mostly pissed off ex republicans
[18:02:08] <CaptHindsight> Valen: plus school and society has destroyed their ability to think critically
[18:02:16] <renesis> republicans sold out to religion, and religion is not compatible with intelligent informed debate
[18:02:24] <PetefromTn_> wow
[18:02:25] <SolarNRG> CaptHindsight, yep school does not teach critical thinking, thank you very much common core
[18:02:28] <renesis> its really not, and it should be banned from political rhetoric
[18:02:39] <renesis> separation of church and state should be hella rigid
[18:03:08] <Valen> I feel school is being done wrong, it prepares people for academic life when (particularly in the USA) that isn't where most people are going to end up
[18:03:33] <CaptHindsight> Valen: it's more indoctrination and social engineering
[18:03:36] <SolarNRG> it doesn't matter which candidate gets into office in 2016 both will be warmongering, pro israeli, anti iran, pro tax, pro gun confiscation, pro police state, anti homeschooling puppets of the council on foreign relations
[18:03:41] <renesis> thats not entirely true either
[18:03:49] <renesis> i live in american, i have 2 year trade degrees
[18:04:02] <renesis> by 20 years old you can have an educations plus a hands on trade education
[18:04:18] <renesis> its not uncommon, the programs are not at all rare
[18:04:20] <SolarNRG> "if voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it!" -Mark twain
[18:05:03] <renesis> and home schooling in a lot of cases is retarded =)
[18:05:22] <renesis> lets teach our kids about religion and anti intellectualism instead of going to real school
[18:05:36] <CaptHindsight> renesis: yes, if the idea is to train them about Jesus and the Dinosaur :)
[18:05:51] <renesis> dinosaurs are just a test of faith you know
[18:06:05] <CaptHindsight> same can be said for Jesus
[18:06:17] <renesis> the country is being fucked up by north african myths from like 3000 years ago
[18:06:25] <SolarNRG> I think kids should learn practical skills like how to safely remove gas from the tank when you put diesel in instead of petrol
[18:06:30] <malcom2073> We're thinking about home schooling, not to teach our kids religion and anti intellectualism, but because the school system tends to hold them back. No child left behind, no child moving ahead
[18:06:59] <renesis> solarnrg: how about teach them not to do that, then teach them how to go to a qualified person
[18:07:11] <CaptHindsight> I'm glad that's all behind me now
[18:07:20] <SolarNRG> renesis, and how can you get qualified at doing that? By going through the school system
[18:07:35] <SolarNRG> it's all about control of our lives and maybe we want to be in control of our own lives
[18:07:35] <Valen> taylor swift was home schooled
[18:07:37] <renesis> malcom2073: no child left behind is some bush jr shit, obviously its useless
[18:08:08] <renesis> solarnrg: because in an absolute system like that, which is anarchy, you have little control
[18:08:28] <CaptHindsight> take a look at a current Math textbook here
[18:09:09] <SolarNRG> renesis, the life I live is "I can't afford to do it your way" in the US it's "you've got to do it our way because we're paying for you to do it our way"
[18:09:31] <Sync_> imho homeschooling is complete bullshit, that might work out if you are a farmer but even then it is not the best idea
[18:09:57] <renesis> its fine if you can pass exams to get into colleges
[18:10:04] <SolarNRG> either way my kid is still goign to be jsut as unemployable as all the others by the time she turns 18
[18:10:13] <renesis> or if you just want topunt the kids out into your field or shop
[18:10:32] <PetefromTn_> why is homeshcooling bullshit? I have many friends who homeschool their kids and most of them did quite well in college and beyond.
[18:10:42] <renesis> unemployment has to do with everyone living beyond their means and our economy being current and future fucked
[18:10:45] <tiwake> such as myself
[18:10:56] <renesis> lots of skilled people without work
[18:11:00] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: Homeschooling has the stigma of religious indoctrination to it
[18:11:06] <renesis> slightly skilled younger people often do better because cheaper
[18:11:08] <PetefromTn_> great!
[18:11:12] <SolarNRG> PetefromTn_, I think it depends on the homeschooler, I think because I'm a retard if I homeschooled my own kid she's end up retarded like me but if I had the money to pay a good homeschooler to teach my kid I think she'd do reall well
[18:11:22] <Valen> I reckons school should have science, maths, life and english as core subjects, but they should be only teaching you enough to be competent in those, IE you don't need calculus as a core subject, but knowing that casinos exist to make casino owners rich is an important thing to know. The rest of the time should be project based, IE build a car or something, create a work of art etc. Then in the process of building the car, learn c
[18:11:36] <malcom2073> SolarNRG: You're retarded, not an idiot. Idiocy is tought, retarded is an actual condition
[18:11:38] <renesis> schools are fucked because of low funding and low paid teachers
[18:11:54] <renesis> vouchers for home school or whatever, or less money from lower attendance, probably isnt going to help
[18:11:56] <Valen> school should also teach people how to apply for a mortgage, manage their finances etc
[18:12:03] <renesis> making less military gear would definitely help
[18:12:04] <tiwake> malcom2073: homeschooling is cutting the cruft out of public schools, and often not able to afford private school. I fail to see how that is bad
[18:12:28] <SolarNRG> malcom2073, yeah I can't help my brain damage or autism or ptsd or metal plates in the head but at least I'm aware i'm retarded acceptance is the path to recovery
[18:12:30] <renesis> not occupying military bases all over the world, thats lots of money, that would help
[18:12:33] <CaptHindsight> Valen: just encourage critical thinking and natural curiosity
[18:12:34] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah lets make our country less able to defend itself...
[18:12:41] <malcom2073> tiwake: I have nothing against it, as I said we're debating it, but many people see it as a thing that only religious people do, so they can raise closed minded likenesses of themselves.
[18:12:46] <renesis> im down with that
[18:12:53] <SolarNRG> malcom2073, you also raise a valid point schools teach idiocy
[18:12:57] <Sync_> PetefromTn_: if you are getting a teacher to teach your child at home I could accept that
[18:13:07] <Valen> PetefromTn_: ya know if you stopped bombing other countries you wouldn't need to bomb them so often ;-P
[18:13:12] <Valen> </trollface>
[18:13:16] <Sync_> but parents trying to school their children at home, not so sure
[18:13:19] <CaptHindsight> heh
[18:13:19] <renesis> why trollface its true
[18:13:22] <_methods> its the last thing we're good at
[18:13:31] <_methods> don't take our bombings away
[18:13:36] <Valen> its one of those kinda true kinda not things
[18:13:36] <malcom2073> Sync_: Have you actually looked into it? The requirements puts homeschooled kids *way* ahead of school taught kids in terms of actual education
[18:13:46] <SolarNRG> Valen, easy, I'm sure PetefromTn_ disagrees with his government's decision as much as we do and both are powerless to stop the twats in suits from doing what they are doing
[18:13:48] <renesis> honestly the parent who usually want to homeschool their kids are the last people you want teaching their kids in isolation
[18:14:13] <malcom2073> Let me rephrase, the homeschooling requirements in *some* areas heh
[18:14:19] <tiwake> there is hardly isolation, in most cases
[18:14:37] <renesis> compared to reg school?
[18:14:40] <malcom2073> Like here, they're required to do field trips and group activities as often, if not moreso than regular school
[18:14:52] <tiwake> most homeschoolers are very active in the community, such as 4H and local sports
[18:15:11] <PetefromTn_> I have no problem with anyone wanting to home school their kids especially in light of where our current educational system is going. It is almost laughable...
[18:15:16] <SolarNRG> tiwake, that's a good point, they're not locked into an institution and they are free to do other activities when it suits them
[18:15:35] <Sync_> malcom2073: homeschooling is illegal here flat out
[18:15:43] <tiwake> I know, I've been though it
[18:15:46] <PetefromTn_> where the hell is that?
[18:15:50] <malcom2073> Sync_: Germany?
[18:15:53] <Sync_> yes
[18:15:58] <PetefromTn_> wow
[18:15:58] <malcom2073> yeah I've heard that.
[18:16:04] <malcom2073> Don't you have a decent public education system though?
[18:16:07] <Sync_> yes
[18:16:08] <CaptHindsight> you're supposed to learn how to be a good consumer, not self reliant and also take out as many student loans as possible
[18:16:09] <renesis> germans can educate people
[18:16:16] <Valen> tbf my understanding of the german school system is that it doesn't suck
[18:16:18] <renesis> german engineering is the shit
[18:16:25] <SolarNRG> PetefromTn_, I agree I'm very concerned about sending my little girl to school esp after hearing about rape in school, active shooter drills killing kids, kids getting into drugs from other classmates, poor schooling, atrocious curriculum, bullying, etc.
[18:16:37] <SolarNRG> I seriously considered homeschooling but I also know I'd be a lousy teacher
[18:16:45] <renesis> yeah that teaches your kid how to real world
[18:16:50] <renesis> you help them through that
[18:16:53] <PetefromTn_> SolarNRG I hear ya I am in the same boat
[18:17:00] <Sync_> pfft let her have her fun
[18:17:17] <tiwake> gradeschool/highschool is not real life
[18:17:25] <renesis> because helicopter parents' kids always turn out great
[18:17:31] <renesis> it is, actually
[18:17:44] <PetefromTn_> it is?
[18:17:51] <tiwake> learning how to shoot correctly when needed and proper gun safety is much closer :3
[18:17:52] <renesis> yes, while at home maybe isnt
[18:18:03] <CaptHindsight> most people I meet act like they are still in junior high
[18:18:12] <Sync_> Valen: it does suck, but yeah it is okay after all
[18:18:13] <renesis> tiwake: my guess is thats much more likely to be taught in a home school
[18:18:15] <malcom2073> High school is very much like real life. The asshole are still assholes once they get out, the smart ones are still smart
[18:18:18] <_methods> hey i resemble that remark
[18:18:26] <renesis> heh
[18:18:28] <malcom2073> And the football players all drink beer and remember glory days :P
[18:18:39] <CaptHindsight> _methods: oh, indignant aye?
[18:18:40] <SolarNRG> yeah I totally agree I think kids should defo learn about gun safety, road safety, driving safety, machinery safey, fire safety
[18:18:45] <_methods> sensitive
[18:18:49] <_methods> lol
[18:18:54] <Valen> that Americans have security guards and metal detectors to get into school says something, I don't think its a good something
[18:18:57] <renesis> solarnrg: so teach them at home
[18:19:08] <renesis> and they can learn math science and language at school
[18:19:09] <SolarNRG> renesis, teach them what? I'm retarded
[18:19:11] <renesis> maybe music and art
[18:19:12] <Valen> when I was at school there was 1.25 fights the entire time I was there
[18:19:16] <malcom2073> Valen: And that is why I live in the middle of nowhere :P
[18:19:23] <renesis> solarnrg: so take them to someone who isnt
[18:19:33] <SolarNRG> how do I afford their services?
[18:19:46] <renesis> work
[18:19:54] <SolarNRG> how do I work?
[18:20:14] <renesis> honestly dude, im not puytting road safety and gun safety ahead of science and arts
[18:20:32] <renesis> it should be taught but it shouldnt be central or even a class
[18:20:33] <PetefromTn_> renesis I guess I will just say that I am proudly the opposite of basically everything you have said here today... anything further and things will just get ugly LOL
[18:20:39] <renesis> maybe when theyre in elementary school
[18:20:56] <renesis> youre against funding schools?
[18:21:02] <malcom2073> I finally convined my wife to let me get some guns, to teach the kids gun safety. I'd hate to be the parent whos kids found a gun at their friends house and shot someone accidently
[18:21:40] <SolarNRG> malcom2073, yeah one day someone's gonna leave a gun not locked up or a kid's gonna find the key and I'd rather my kid didn't look down the barrel then pull the trigger
[18:21:53] <malcom2073> Or try to take a selfie with it
[18:21:58] <SolarNRG> hahaha
[18:22:05] <renesis> i learned this shit in boy scouts and similar when i was like 6
[18:22:10] <PetefromTn_> my kids all shoot with me
[18:22:13] <SolarNRG> actually selfies might be subliminal programming for mass suicide, never thought of it that way
[18:22:33] <Wolf_Mill> lmao @ the selfie thing
[18:22:35] <PetefromTn_> hell we even shoot in the house across the dinner table into the shop with my airguns
[18:22:47] <Valen> see in australia that just isn't something one would even think about
[18:23:03] <PetefromTn_> what?
[18:23:05] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: We're starting with paintball guns, then once I get my mill running I'll have a rifle or two
[18:23:06] <Valen> odds are my kids will never see a gun that isn't in the holster of a police officer
[18:23:15] <Wolf_Mill> I grew up with guns all over the place
[18:23:17] <SolarNRG> Valen, Australia hasn't declared independence the royalists don't like their slaves owning guns only the crown's men are allowed guns
[18:23:18] <malcom2073> Valen: And that's perfectly acceptable that it works that way for you
[18:23:22] <renesis> seriously you think gun safety should be part of the curriculum? like 15 weeks of gun safety
[18:23:23] <Valen> or on a movie screen
[18:23:29] <renesis> or 16 weeks of, drain the fuel tank
[18:23:29] <malcom2073> Unfortunatly, America will likely always be gun-rich
[18:23:42] <PetefromTn_> thank god
[18:23:44] <renesis> btw auto shop classes were very common here until school funding was pulled
[18:23:45] <_methods> amen
[18:23:48] <renesis> just like art and music
[18:23:51] <Wolf_Mill> we just needgun bans like mexico has
[18:23:58] <malcom2073> I'm not anti-gun, I'm anti idiot, the two just happen to often line up if you watch the media :P
[18:23:59] <_methods> lol
[18:24:04] <Valen> its just the mentality of "you need to be able to kill people at all times" that is so alien
[18:24:21] <renesis> polite society!
[18:24:22] <PetefromTn_> I am sorry it is alien to you...
[18:24:36] <SolarNRG> Wolf_Mill, that would be great unfortunately you won't be able to ban the government from owning guns, all that will do is put a monopoly of gun ownership in the hands of the government not the people
[18:24:44] <renesis> im down with people having guns, i honestly think people should be able to have anti aircraft guns and nuclear weapons
[18:25:01] <renesis> i just dont think it should be a mandatory class in school
[18:25:11] <Valen> PetefromTn_: I'm sorry that you guys have had more mass shootings than you have had days this year
[18:25:11] <Wolf_Mill> SolarNRG: have you seen how much shootings and stuff happen in mexico?
[18:25:14] <renesis> it prob is an elective at some schools, it def is at universities
[18:25:23] <SolarNRG> renesis I like your style, tbh more people should be tinkering around with fusion to either crack superheavy isotope science or clean energy
[18:25:28] <PetefromTn_> Oh you mean like the mass shootings you had recently?
[18:25:36] <SolarNRG> Wolf_Mill, watched a lot of liveleak yeah
[18:25:44] <PetefromTn_> where everyone was unarmed and lots of people were unable to defend themselves?
[18:25:47] <renesis> solarnrg: is nuclear weapons cant be trusted in the hands of private citizens, the giv shouldnt have them
[18:26:00] <Valen> baaaahahaha
[18:26:02] <renesis> because the gov is just private citizens
[18:26:09] <SolarNRG> PetefromTn_, the argument is actually the cops take 10 minutes to arrive but a concealed handgun responds at 3,000 feet per second
[18:26:13] <Wolf_Mill> harsh gun laws work great, look at baltimore or chicago
[18:26:24] <_methods> or mexico city
[18:26:32] <Wolf_Mill> think baltimore topped 200 shootings already this year
[18:26:35] <malcom2073> The laws aren't the problem, the mentality is. Won't change in my lifetime, that's for sure
[18:26:42] <Valen> 1 nutter with a gun managed to kill one person, (the other was taken out by the police) and its the first event of that kind to happen in more than a decade
[18:26:48] <Valen> actually I think 20 years
[18:26:49] <tiwake> SolarNRG: thats rather fast for a pistol... most operate at about 1000 feet/second
[18:26:53] <SolarNRG> renesis, I agree the Queen has 200 nukes but the British people have none why can a woman wearing a diamond hat have them but her folk not?
[18:26:56] <PetefromTn_> yeah okay
[18:27:09] <renesis> whole monarchy system is a joke
[18:27:14] <renesis> i love brits tho, so shrug
[18:27:19] <SolarNRG> tiwake, ok ok I exaggerated, the point was I've seen a vid of 2 guys robbing a netcafe and one guy got his gun out and killed the bad guys, the good guy won
[18:27:20] <_methods> yeah everyone should have a nuke in their garage
[18:27:22] <renesis> its like they all got a mom even if they got no mom
[18:27:27] <tiwake> 3000 feet/second is typical for a rifle
[18:27:27] <_methods> that would really make things exciting
[18:27:34] <CaptHindsight> Valen: but I've seen your highway movies about life there with all the motorcycle gangs and 4wd cars with flame throwers
[18:27:38] <malcom2073> _methods: There are always thoes wiling to sacrafice themselves for stupid reasons
[18:27:47] <tiwake> but yeah
[18:27:53] <_methods> thank god for nut jobs
[18:27:59] <malcom2073> Keeps life interesting
[18:28:08] <SolarNRG> the people in power in the governments in the world are not nut jobs!?
[18:28:10] <renesis> anyway, school shootings are a mental health issue
[18:28:12] <PetefromTn_> tell you what... when an armed thug with WHATEVER weapon breaks into your house and rapes your wife and kills you and your family right in front of you then you can come back here and tell me how you feel good about not having a weapon in your home.
[18:28:22] <renesis> not a gun control issue
[18:28:29] <SolarNRG> but school bombings is a foreign policy issue :_
[18:28:31] <SolarNRG> :p
[18:28:38] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: That's a terribly negative view on life, I hope you're not always thinking about such things
[18:28:45] <renesis> what school got bombed by foreign terror?
[18:28:47] <PetefromTn_> is it
[18:28:53] <Valen> PetefromTn_: see that sort of thing just doesn't seem to happen here very often
[18:28:54] <CaptHindsight> I'm against all forms of school carpet bombings
[18:28:56] <tiwake> malcom2073: hope for the best, prepare for the worst
[18:29:10] <renesis> petefromtn_: dude im totally for private ownership of guns
[18:29:11] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: flea bombing?
[18:29:14] <Sync_> PetefromTn_: then I'm dead and have nothing to worry about
[18:29:24] <renesis> tru dat
[18:29:28] <Valen> I mean there was a driveby house shooting in my city a few weeks ago and it was headline news around the country
[18:29:34] <PetefromTn_> Oh man I MUST move to Australia it sounds like a really wonderful place where no crime ever happens and nobody hurts anybody else
[18:29:37] <SolarNRG> CaptHindsight, maybe you can write to all the governments of NATO to cease and desist their air bombing campaigns then
[18:29:42] <SolarNRG> not that it'll do much good
[18:29:51] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: Have you ever traveled abroad?
[18:29:53] <Valen> yes, because "doesn't often happen" is the same thing as "never happens"
[18:29:57] <PetefromTn_> many times
[18:30:01] <renesis> everyone should cease all their air bombing campaigns
[18:30:09] <Wolf_Mill> PetefromTn_: or maybe we should strive to be like the UK, ban on sharp pointy things now
[18:30:09] <renesis> blown up enough moms and babies
[18:30:17] <SolarNRG> yep I'll drink to that
[18:30:29] <CaptHindsight> did anyone see the news story about the police officer shot and killed in Fox Lake, IL?
[18:30:31] <SolarNRG> Wolf_Mill, UK is just a sick dictatorship
[18:30:37] <CaptHindsight> it was on national news
[18:31:01] <Wolf_Mill> SolarNRG: UK has a ban on ALL knives that come to a sharp point
[18:31:09] <Valen> I do think they have gone too far though, the knife ban in nsw means my leatherman squirt is potentially illegal, and air rifles are treated like real guns
[18:31:20] <Valen> Wolf_Mill: what even kitchen knives?
[18:31:24] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: how does anyone cook there?
[18:31:25] <Wolf_Mill> yes
[18:31:34] <andypugh> We don’t cook, famous for it
[18:31:40] <malcom2073> Heh
[18:31:51] <Wolf_Mill> ban guns, stabbings went up
[18:31:59] <SolarNRG> Wolf_Mill, Queen lizzie's no better than hitler, pol pot, stalin, chairman mao, all non removable dictators who stole their people's guns then killed their own people
[18:32:05] <renesis> punchings arent so bad
[18:32:08] <tiwake> all cutting inserts and endmills need to have a radius on them
[18:32:09] <tiwake> heh
[18:32:18] <Wolf_Mill> lol tiwake
[18:32:20] <tiwake> thats amusing to think about
[18:32:42] <andypugh> SolarNRG: Do you really thing that the Queen has any power at all?
[18:32:46] <renesis> dont be taking loaded tools outside
[18:32:52] <SolarNRG> andypugh, more than u think
[18:32:59] <tiwake> no wonder why they outsource everything
[18:33:05] <Wolf_Mill> somewhat funny to think about when I have a microtec and glock sitting on my desk
[18:33:09] <PetefromTn_> why do you even have a queen/king/prince anymore at all really?? LOL
[18:33:19] <andypugh> It saves us having a President
[18:33:25] <PetefromTn_> touche'
[18:33:36] <renesis> you have a pm
[18:33:40] <renesis> its the same thing
[18:33:41] <SolarNRG> PetefromTn_, why does America have a council on foreign relations, a trilatteral commission and a rockefeller foundation?
[18:33:58] <renesis> CFR is private
[18:34:09] <PetefromTn_> seems like keeping those royals in thier cushy lifestyles and trips and vacations could do a LOT of good eslewhere no?
[18:34:11] <SolarNRG> the palace in westminster is also private
[18:34:13] <renesis> probably all those things
[18:34:14] <Valen> actually it doesn't seem that the uk does have a ban on pointed knives
[18:34:28] <Wolf_Mill> some part of uk does
[18:34:41] <Wolf_Mill> might be city thing
[18:34:44] <SolarNRG> 1997 they banned carrying a knife more than 3 inches long not locked in a case for transport
[18:34:59] <Valen> link? I haven't been able to see anything supporting anything other than voluntary knife bins
[18:35:16] <SolarNRG> shortly after dunblane where all those kids got shot by a nutcase glasgow sherriff gave him a license for owning the gun to
[18:35:48] <SolarNRG> valen, u can buy a knife but if u carry a knife more than 3 inches in public and u haven't got a damn good reason ur getting jail for 4 years
[18:36:17] <SolarNRG> dudes get arrested for trimming the hedge in 98 when the law passed
[18:36:36] <Wolf_Mill> http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/11/british-police-calling-for-knife-ban/
[18:36:57] <PetefromTn_> wow what a joke that is...
[18:37:15] <SolarNRG> uk is blanket survellience, no guns, no knives but hey muslim terrorists come here and take the UK's FREE HOUSES and FREE MONEY
[18:37:26] <CaptHindsight> SolarNRG: you are probably more aware of how the guberment works here than many school teachers here
[18:37:44] <SolarNRG> and that's why I will never be able to get a job
[18:37:54] <SolarNRG> I'm a very cynical retard
[18:37:57] <Valen> yes "calling for" is different to "its the law"
[18:37:58] <PetefromTn_> yeah and shoot up all your people at will!
[18:38:53] <Sync_> then don't complain SolarNRG
[18:38:57] <Wolf_Mill> pretty sure carry of is
[18:39:36] <renesis> so who here is voting for trump?
[18:39:36] <CaptHindsight> SolarNRG: genius by school standards here
[18:39:41] <renesis> heh
[18:39:49] <Valen> you want people with machetes walking around your streets?
[18:39:50] <SolarNRG> It's very easy to complain about the injustices of the world but it is very hard to do anything about them
[18:40:12] <SolarNRG> Valen, hundreds of years ago you needed a machete there were wild animals to kill and feed your family with
[18:40:13] <Wolf_Mill> no one walks down my street
[18:40:30] <Wolf_Mill> blasting past on 4wheelers yeah
[18:40:43] <SolarNRG> I think there needs to be both more wild animals AND more machetes then people will kill the animals instead of each other for money to buy processed crap from the supermarket
[18:41:16] <PetefromTn_> gonna go eat dinner and then maybe polish my guns or something ;)
[18:41:40] <SolarNRG> I mean even with unlimited rights to gun ownership, there's no way we the people can match the awesome firepower of the combined armed forces of the whole of NATO
[18:41:49] * Wolf_Mill has a glock, dont think polish is gonna help it
[18:42:06] <SolarNRG> Wolf_Mill, try silicone/teflon lubricant
[18:42:32] <Wolf_Mill> then its just a wet looking turd :D
[18:42:55] <tiwake> SolarNRG: thats not the point... the point is every once in a while a tank might be rolling in the back lawn, or best friends back lawn, and needs to be stopped
[18:43:23] <SolarNRG> tiwake, and what if it's some drug addict in the white house ordering that tank to drive into your back lawn?
[18:43:54] <tiwake> same reply? your stuff is your stuff, and you should have every right to protecting it
[18:44:03] <SolarNRG> tiwake, I completely agree
[18:44:45] <tiwake> anyway, its been fun, I need to get some more stuff done
[18:44:51] <SolarNRG> But in the UK the crown doesn't see it that way, you have a freehold on that land, it is the Crown's land not your's you have only bought the rights to live on your own land and can be taken away whenever the Crown wants, you are not allowed to own guns only the government are allowed to own guns.
[18:44:58] <SolarNRG> ok tiwake, you have a good night
[18:45:02] <tiwake> I sat down for a quick break... heh
[18:45:13] <tiwake> and linuxCNC was having a fun conversation
[18:45:26] <t12> hi
[18:46:33] <tiwake> SolarNRG: every once in a while something like this happens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUoUKEIGoo
[18:47:19] <tiwake> hope for the best, prepare for the worse, protect your assets
[18:48:00] <malcom2073> Unless you're in a place like PA, where you're not allowed to protect yourself
[18:48:11] <malcom2073> Or rather, not allowed to protect your assets
[18:48:55] <SolarNRG> everyone should have an rpg in case of this
[18:49:00] <SolarNRG> or a tow
[18:49:05] <tiwake> even the bible says you can protect your assets with whatever force is necessary... heh
[18:49:18] <SolarNRG> the bible is the most banned book in history
[18:49:19] <malcom2073> The bible says a lot of things
[18:50:26] <tiwake> alright, work time for real
[18:51:09] <SolarNRG> omg pissed off vet with a tank smashing up stuff
[18:51:10] <malcom2073> I should go get something done
[18:51:21] <malcom2073> Probably won't though heh
[18:52:05] <SolarNRG> good thing it was an old, poorly designed tank, I'd hate to see what would have happened if he'd stolen an m1a1 abrams
[18:52:20] <malcom2073> Did he steal it, or own it?
[18:52:24] <malcom2073> You can own a tank here too
[18:52:29] <malcom2073> The guns have to be demilled though
[18:52:42] <SolarNRG> fuck off, that's king george shit
[18:52:47] <SolarNRG> 2nd ammendment
[18:53:04] <malcom2073> Heh
[18:53:14] <malcom2073> Not saying you can't put your own gun on it
[18:53:18] <malcom2073> but you can't use the gun it came with
[18:53:48] <SolarNRG> u mean the military won't sell you the tank with a working gun
[18:54:39] <SolarNRG> I bet if you're blackwater or some private security outfit the lawyers would figure a way to let you for "training purposes"
[18:55:00] <malcom2073> Nope, but tbh, it's not *that* difficult to repair
[18:55:08] <tiwake> if you have enough money you can do whatever you want
[18:55:09] <SolarNRG> basically pipe welding
[18:55:25] <SolarNRG> yeah that's true, but here's the big question, how do you make enough money?
[18:56:20] <CaptHindsight> SolarNRG: hard wrok, anyone can do it :)
[18:56:22] <malcom2073> There are lots of ways to make money, the easiest and most profitable being taking advantage of people
[18:56:27] <tiwake> thats why the second amendment exists... at least thats what its supposed to do... lower the barrier for ownership of such things
[18:57:25] <SolarNRG> CaptHindsight, I would if I could but I can't even get an employer to accept me to give me hard work to do in the first place
[18:57:59] <CaptHindsight> SolarNRG: now what they say is "you're just whining". get it yet?
[18:58:25] <malcom2073> SolarNRG: Learn to program, sell services online, profit
[18:58:46] <SolarNRG> what sort of service would I sell?
[18:59:12] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: do you think that it's getting easier or harder to find ways of taking advantage of people?
[18:59:18] <malcom2073> There's a *very* wide variety of programming services
[18:59:29] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: Harder to find, but easier to do once you've found one I think.... not that I've looked
[18:59:55] <malcom2073> SolarNRG: You could do web dev, that's fairly easy
[19:00:22] <SolarNRG> how do I get into web dev?
[19:00:49] <malcom2073> Google. You start looking up how to do it, best practices, tutorials, youtube videos, online challenges/contests
[19:00:57] <malcom2073> I learned to program with google
[19:01:12] <malcom2073> Takes a couple years, but pays off
[19:01:22] <CaptHindsight> by web developer do you mean Wordpress engineer? :)
[19:01:33] <SolarNRG> the main obstacle I've seen is getting a website operational when you don't have money to pay to buy the domain and pay a server to host your site
[19:01:40] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: HEy, there's money in that ;) But I mean actual web dev, like php/html/js
[19:02:00] <malcom2073> SolarNRG: Dreamhost had a special for a while, $20 for the first year
[19:02:02] <CaptHindsight> LAMP
[19:02:09] <malcom2073> unlimited hosting + subdomain
[19:02:28] <malcom2073> Or, host it at your house while you learn
[19:02:54] <SolarNRG> then there's the issue of say I made a website saying I'm a greece based web developer consultant offering a premium in house service subcontracting people I know to do jobs for me
[19:03:09] <SolarNRG> and then nobody calls
[19:03:16] <SolarNRG> or nobody emails
[19:03:24] <CaptHindsight> SolarNRG: risk/rewards
[19:04:03] <malcom2073> You don't have to tell people you're subcontracting, and often you have to have a client base for a website for your business to do ok
[19:04:15] <malcom2073> Start out on those freelancing websites. They're pretty cut throat, but sometimes youcan find decent work
[19:04:23] <CaptHindsight> is it difficult to get a license to distill in Greece?
[19:04:25] <SolarNRG> what like fiver.com?
[19:04:27] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/XmA6JNt.jpg Pic from a customer that received my first Black anodized Steyr Picatinny rail!!
[19:04:38] <SolarNRG> I got a distillery I make clean water with it
[19:04:49] <malcom2073> No, not like fiver, real ones. I could google "freelance programming websites", or you could. I don't remember any off the top of my head, I haven't used them in years
[19:04:55] <SolarNRG> alcohol is cheap its like 65 cents for a 5% beer here
[19:05:00] <CaptHindsight> SolarNRG: can you make Boouzo?
[19:05:19] <SolarNRG> brewers yeast is hard to come by
[19:05:37] <CaptHindsight> become a brewers yeast importer
[19:05:38] <SolarNRG> u should see the shit that's in the tap water here
[19:05:43] <SolarNRG> it's not good
[19:06:15] <SolarNRG> can u post me some on the sly and I'll pay u back?
[19:06:39] <CaptHindsight> mark the box "generic off-white powder"
[19:06:39] <SolarNRG> cash in the post ok with u?
[19:06:59] <CaptHindsight> what could go wrong?
[19:07:09] <SolarNRG> kaboom from methanol fumes that's what
[19:08:19] <SolarNRG> risk/reward again
[19:20:47] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/H7dRjUG.jpg WOAH!!
[19:21:27] <CaptHindsight> fancy pea shooters there
[19:21:37] <PetefromTn_> indeed
[19:21:56] <Wolf_Mill> nice
[19:22:04] <PetefromTn_> not too shabby for a hack with a homebuilt CNC in his garage eh?
[19:22:31] <Wolf_Mill> how much ya selling them for if ya dont mind
[19:23:12] <PetefromTn_> $$$$$$$$$$$$ ;)
[19:23:31] <PetefromTn_> actually that one was like $185.00 shipped
[19:23:45] <Wolf_Mill> damn
[19:24:06] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, not asking you about a custom one off for a 22 then lol
[19:24:44] <PetefromTn_> keep in mind that rifle in the photos is about $3k
[19:25:48] <Wolf_Mill> well, yeah is says $teyr right on it :P
[19:26:18] <PetefromTn_> yeah and pretty sure that is a March scope which is also in the $3k range
[19:26:34] <PetefromTn_> so a $180.00 rail is sorta cheap LOL
[19:27:23] <SolarNRG> Is there any way I can get someone to make a cv resume thingy for me?
[19:27:23] <PetefromTn_> that guy lives in Venezuela
[19:28:05] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, my ar has a $200+ scope mount on it
[19:28:47] <PetefromTn_> then why are you whining about a mount for your .22 ;)
[19:29:01] <Wolf_Mill> cause 22 dovetails suck
[19:29:33] <Wolf_Mill> but that 22 rifle is worth maybe $50 lol
[19:30:10] <Wolf_Mill> end of the barrel was so rusted I needed to cut 4" off of it
[19:30:18] <Sync_> just shoot it clean
[19:30:44] <Wolf_Mill> no, like deep pitted, front sight rusted off bad
[19:30:52] <SolarNRG> Wolf_Mill, did u try phosphoric acid and fine sandpaper?
[19:30:59] <SolarNRG> that's good for cleaning rust
[19:31:01] <Wolf_Mill> inside of the barrel
[19:31:04] <SolarNRG> milkstone remover
[19:32:03] <Wolf_Mill> I ended up shorting the barrel and recrowing it with a harbor freight step drill
[19:32:06] <Wolf_Mill> :D
[19:37:04] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, so your $200 chunk is holding $6000 together?
[19:37:52] <Tom_itx> looks good though
[19:41:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah pretty much LOL
[19:41:39] <PetefromTn_> thanks Tom
[19:52:54] <tiwake> a 0.22lr barrel is cheapish to replace... I mean a factory new 10/22 barrel is like $60
[19:53:19] <tiwake> a barely used 10/22 factory barrel is probably quite cheap
[19:54:04] <Wolf_Mill> its a rem model 80? 88? something like that, single shot
[19:54:47] <Wolf_Mill> think I would either have to slieve the barrel or custom machine work to get a new blank to fit
[19:54:53] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: also, nice... heh.. I think the most gun machining I've done is make my own 10/22 receiver out of 4142 steel
[19:55:10] <tiwake> I wouldent mind doing something like that more commercially
[19:56:38] <Wolf_Mill> oh nice, idea came back to me I had before I had the means to make it, take the single shot 22 and make a bottom metal for it that uses my buckmark mags :D
[20:04:34] <PetefromTn_> tiwake thanks man...
[20:09:15] <Tom_itx> how many of those are you makin?
[20:19:43] <tiwake> what was that oscilloscope ssi was suggesting to get?
[20:19:51] <tiwake> yesterday
[20:20:11] <Tom_itx> there are logs
[20:20:16] <Wolf_Mill> rigol something, sec
[20:21:41] <tiwake> logs are so far away
[20:21:49] <tiwake> unless you mean somebody elses logs
[20:21:57] <Wolf_Mill> http://www.tequipment.net/Rigol/DS1054Z/Digital-Oscilloscopes/ and use code eevblog6
[20:22:01] <Tom_itx> zlog_
[20:25:46] <Wolf_Mill> warm steppers http://i.imgur.com/eotv49V.jpg
[20:29:35] <tiwake> what does that code do?
[20:29:44] <Wolf_Mill> 6% off
[20:29:54] <Wolf_Mill> if I rememberd the right code
[21:02:28] <Jymmm> I thought panels were broken in half. L1 on the left side, and L2 on the right side. But the red wires seem to contratict this http://i.imgur.com/LSB8klA.jpg
[21:04:19] <Tom_itx> measure the voltage across them to see
[21:04:30] <Tom_itx> 0 or 220
[21:05:07] <Jymmm> But is the left/right halfs the way it's suppose to be?
[21:06:04] <malcom2073> Well, I picked up a wood stove
[21:06:06] <malcom2073> damn thing is HEAVY
[21:06:10] <Tom_itx> it is what it is
[21:06:26] <malcom2073> Jymmm: They're not. It alternates (that way 220 breakers work)
[21:06:29] <zeeshan> Jymmm: whats the problem?
[21:06:30] <Jymmm> malcom2073: wood or pellet?
[21:06:42] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Wood, thinking of converting to pellet by drilling a big hole and putting a feeder in
[21:07:17] <Jymmm> malcom2073: So, BOTH halfs have L! AND L2 ?
[21:07:24] <malcom2073> Yep, it alternates as you go down each side
[21:07:32] <malcom2073> L1L2L1L2 on the left, L2L1L2L1 on the right
[21:07:43] <zeeshan> Jymmm: think about it like this
[21:07:46] <Jymmm> malcom2073: I can't even see the contact point where a breaker would plug into
[21:07:47] <zeeshan> you have a 2 pole breaker
[21:07:54] <zeeshan> it needs both l1 and l2
[21:08:03] <zeeshan> but l1 is the left bus bar and l2 is the right bus bar
[21:08:07] <zeeshan> so it needs access to both
[21:08:07] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Poke around in there until you find the spicy spot
[21:08:10] <malcom2073> that'll be where it plugs into
[21:08:10] <malcom2073> ;)
[21:08:27] <Jymmm> malcom2073: No, I' mean visiually in that photo
[21:08:39] <malcom2073> Jymmm: I believe it's the litle metal tab on the right side of the empty slot
[21:08:52] <Jymmm> malcom2073: on the INSIDE or OUTSIDE ?
[21:08:54] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/LSB8klA.jpg
[21:08:55] <zeeshan> in your image
[21:09:04] <zeeshan> look at the first breaker on the left under the main breaker
[21:09:09] <zeeshan> do you see the hook sticking out?
[21:09:17] <Jymmm> yes
[21:09:18] <zeeshan> to the right of the philips screw
[21:09:23] <zeeshan> thats where the leg connects to
[21:09:40] <malcom2073> Jymmm: http://bridgeport.askmisterscience.com/bbox.jpg
[21:09:44] <Jymmm> Ok, but what about the breaker below that oen with red and blk wires?
[21:09:57] <malcom2073> See the tabs in the middle?
[21:10:08] <zeeshan> Jymmm: what about it?
[21:10:25] <Jymmm> zeeshan: isn't that L1 AND L2 ?
[21:10:26] <malcom2073> Remember: Red and blk are both hot
[21:10:32] <malcom2073> And are phase indifferent
[21:11:00] <malcom2073> I believe (you should test), that red and black on the left are on the same phase, and thus, both 110V on L!
[21:11:01] <malcom2073> L1
[21:11:11] <zeeshan> Jymmm: that is just 1 line
[21:11:22] <zeeshan> L1 only for example like malcom2073 is saying
[21:11:36] <zeeshan> just cause it has 2 wires going into it
[21:11:38] <zeeshan> doesnt mean its 240v
[21:11:54] <malcom2073> And just because it's red and black, also doesn't mean it's 240. Could be wires going out to a three way
[21:11:59] <Jymmm> I need to look at another pic real quick
[21:12:12] <Jymmm> malcom2073: three way what?
[21:12:20] <malcom2073> Jymmm: light circuit: Two switches one light
[21:12:22] <malcom2073> Btw, they're the devil
[21:16:05] <Jymmm> imgur gets to 99% and then slow to a crawl on uploads!!!
[21:20:30] <malcom2073> So I convert this to pellets, then I figure out how to turn my grass into pellets
[21:20:59] <Tom_itx> get a goat and you'll get pellets
[21:21:08] <Jymmm> malcom2073: they have pellete making machines
[21:21:15] <malcom2073> I've seen them, $2-$3k
[21:21:22] <Jymmm> make your own
[21:21:27] <malcom2073> I've been thinking about it
[21:21:33] <Tom_itx> how much will you spend to save a couple fuel bucks?
[21:21:55] <malcom2073> Tom_itx: It's to heat my barn
[21:22:02] <malcom2073> Which is unheated atm
[21:22:10] <Jymmm> http://i.imgur.com/QHlDXpU.jpg?1
[21:22:38] <malcom2073> Jymmm: So it looks like every second breaker is another circuit haha
[21:22:50] <malcom2073> So to get 220, you gotta go between say, 4 and 6
[21:23:38] <Jymmm> lovely
[21:26:03] <Jymmm> Oh, so that's the difference between the "dual breaker" and the big ass ones with a rod connecting them together
[21:28:06] <Jymmm> There is a label on a couple of breakers that say "crossover" on them, any idea what that might mean?
[21:31:53] <malcom2073> I don't
[21:34:14] <malcom2073> Hmm, not much info on how the mills actually work
[21:36:25] <zeeshan> im thinking if im too aggresive on wood cuts
[21:36:26] <zeeshan> itll chip out
[21:36:27] <zeeshan> hmm
[21:37:38] <Tom_itx> i suggested that
[21:37:44] <cradek> huh 2 mcm =~ 1 mm^2. that's an easy conversion to remember.
[21:37:47] <zeeshan> but at the end of the day
[21:38:00] <zeeshan> if the chipout is in a region wher it doesnt matter
[21:38:02] <zeeshan> then not a big deal
[21:38:05] <Tom_itx> at the end of the day you still have a pile of wood chips
[21:38:14] <Tom_itx> some may be un-intentional
[21:38:15] <zeeshan> lol
[21:39:53] <PetefromTn_> jeez what a crazy day
[21:42:03] <Tom_itx> was a beautiful sunrise but definitely a crazy day
[21:42:13] <zeeshan> man i wish i had a more feel for this
[21:42:14] <zeeshan> 1/8 end mill
[21:42:19] <zeeshan> .150 doc
[21:42:20] <zeeshan> in wood
[21:42:25] <zeeshan> like in steel i prolly wouldnt do that
[21:42:31] <zeeshan> but in wood, it seems too light of a cut
[21:42:42] <Tom_itx> try it and see
[21:42:53] <zeeshan> yea learning experience
[21:42:55] <zeeshan> in carbide
[21:42:56] <zeeshan> :(
[21:43:24] <PetefromTn_> are you still working on that venus demilo? LOL
[21:43:29] <zeeshan> yea about to start pete
[21:43:35] <zeeshan> did you see the amount of work it took to make thoe fixture?
[21:43:36] <PetefromTn_> nice
[21:43:36] <zeeshan> *the
[21:43:54] <PetefromTn_> hope you are gonna make a big ol chunk of cash for all that work
[21:44:03] <zeeshan> yessir!
[21:44:07] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[21:44:10] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/gHShOvF.jpg
[21:44:13] <zeeshan> it turned out sexy!
[21:44:17] <zeeshan> but it was a lot of work
[21:44:56] <PetefromTn_> looks pretty sharp
[21:45:20] <zeeshan> i did something abit dumb on it though
[21:45:21] <zeeshan> lol
[21:45:27] <zeeshan> i kinda wish i put a 3rd tang
[21:45:31] <zeeshan> to toe clamp down to
[21:45:35] <zeeshan> i only got 2 spots for toe clamping
[21:45:48] <zeeshan> should be good enough
[21:46:08] <Wolf_Mill> if you only had a way to glue metal together
[21:46:10] <PetefromTn_> are there not holes in the triangle for screwing it down?
[21:46:20] <PetefromTn_> he does its called TIG
[21:46:42] <zeeshan> no holes there, but im toe clamping down from there
[21:47:02] <PetefromTn_> should be fine. you are not milling inconel heh
[21:47:06] <zeeshan> rofl
[21:47:20] <Tom_shop> dammit
[21:47:25] <zeeshan> man i can't wait to get this crap done pete
[21:47:32] <zeeshan> taking forever
[21:47:39] <PetefromTn_> I'm sure you must have a shitload of hours into it by now
[21:47:44] <zeeshan> a lot
[21:47:55] <Tom_shop> more than you expected?
[21:48:06] <zeeshan> about half times more than expected
[21:48:18] <zeeshan> thats okay, we negotiated on the price more again
[21:48:21] <PetefromTn_> that seems to me like it always happens around here
[21:48:26] <zeeshan> and the guy has been understanding, and i also took a cut
[21:48:53] <zeeshan> i outsourced the stainless steel plates
[21:48:57] <zeeshan> for laser cutting
[21:48:58] <PetefromTn_> if there are enough parts being purchased making that elaborate fixture will easily pay off I think tho
[21:49:02] <zeeshan> im gonna finish machine them here
[21:49:08] <zeeshan> but for $180 for 40 parts
[21:49:17] <zeeshan> it was not worth me making the outer contours
[21:49:36] <zeeshan> yea pete, right now he's paying me 180 per piece for the 40 pieces
[21:49:52] <zeeshan> but in the future he's getting a major cut
[21:49:55] <zeeshan> like 80 per piece
[21:49:58] <PetefromTn_> that is why I have not made these exhaust manifolds can't possibly beat a CNC laser cutter for that stuff
[21:50:06] <zeeshan> yea dude
[21:50:08] <zeeshan> its so much faster
[21:50:13] <zeeshan> and not hard on the tooling other
[21:50:14] <zeeshan> *either
[21:50:40] <zeeshan> ill still do the 3d goemetry that the laser cant do in house
[21:50:44] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan did you see my latest pic?
[21:50:47] <zeeshan> no
[21:51:01] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/H7dRjUG.jpg
[21:51:26] <zeeshan> sexy
[21:51:30] <zeeshan> the scope rail?
[21:51:35] <PetefromTn_> just got that pic from a customer in Venezuela
[21:51:38] <zeeshan> looks very familiar
[21:51:40] <zeeshan> ncie man
[21:51:43] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is my scope rail
[21:51:45] <zeeshan> you've got drug overloads as yoru customer
[21:51:46] <zeeshan> :D
[21:51:50] <zeeshan> jk
[21:51:53] <PetefromTn_> heh probably
[21:53:09] <PetefromTn_> I posted that picture on my facebook page and got an order for another one just like it an hour later ;)
[21:53:28] <zeeshan> nice
[21:53:33] <zeeshan> do you make decent money off those?
[21:53:44] <PetefromTn_> meh its okay...
[21:53:53] <PetefromTn_> if I had a LOT of orders I would do better
[21:54:04] <PetefromTn_> but as it stands I am pleased with it.
[21:54:22] <PetefromTn_> I would rather be able to machine them in larger batches
[21:54:30] <PetefromTn_> like say 20 at a time
[21:54:34] <zeeshan> could you not make a bunch
[21:54:36] <zeeshan> and keep em on hand
[21:54:36] <PetefromTn_> and be able to move them
[21:54:39] <zeeshan> or is that not worthwhile
[21:55:20] <PetefromTn_> it would be worthwhile but I have not really had that kinda volume to make the time and materials investment worth it.
[21:55:38] <PetefromTn_> I just make them as they come in and have refined the program to the point it does not take very long..
[21:55:56] <zeeshan> you need to get that tc working
[21:55:56] <zeeshan> :D
[21:55:59] <PetefromTn_> Plus they are all custom droop compensated at the customers requested angle
[21:56:08] <PetefromTn_> I know
[21:56:13] <PetefromTn_> I am a lazy bastard
[21:56:15] <Wolf_Mill> Pete gonna become the LT of the airgun world http://www.larue.com/machining-operation-tour
[21:57:03] <PetefromTn_> woah look at all those first gen Haas VF's LOL
[21:57:22] <tiwake> dont get one
[21:57:41] <tiwake> I have a haas VF-1, wish I didnt
[21:58:24] <PetefromTn_> I like HAAS machines I have said it before...
[21:58:50] <PetefromTn_> there are a bazillion of them running in shops locally daily around here.
[21:58:52] <tiwake> I think my bitterness comes from it being the 133'rd machine haas has ever made
[22:00:47] <PetefromTn_> http://www.larue.com/larue-tactical-picatinny-riser-qd-lt-101 this must be Larue Tactical's version of what I make hehe
[22:02:21] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, but the LT stuff is known for return to zero from taking it off/back on
[22:02:50] <zeeshan> fuck
[22:02:54] <zeeshan> all those powder feeders
[22:02:54] <MacGalempsy> no
[22:02:55] <zeeshan> i want
[22:03:00] <MacGalempsy> cant have them
[22:03:46] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: http://imgur.com/a/Kes79
[22:03:50] <zeeshan> im checking out this machine tomorrow
[22:03:58] <zeeshan> busted x-axis ball screw
[22:04:05] <zeeshan> everything else functional according to machinery dealer
[22:04:06] <MacGalempsy> to buy?
[22:04:13] <zeeshan> yes
[22:04:25] <MacGalempsy> where you going to put that thing?
[22:04:32] <zeeshan> garage
[22:04:44] <MacGalempsy> hahahah. no more rx7 in there?
[22:04:51] <zeeshan> nah
[22:04:53] <zeeshan> getting rid of the other lathe
[22:04:59] <zeeshan> and doing some shifting of things
[22:05:04] <MacGalempsy> the last pic of your garage looked like it was jammed packed
[22:05:22] <zeeshan> also it takes a bit of time
[22:05:26] <zeeshan> to move thing saround on these massive machines
[22:05:28] <zeeshan> to not make em so massive
[22:05:44] <MacGalempsy> you have 3 phase at home?
[22:05:44] <zeeshan> like get rid of things like the chip conveyor etc
[22:05:47] <zeeshan> no
[22:06:16] <MacGalempsy> ah, I see
[22:06:26] <PetefromTn_> Wolf_ is that supposed to mean that mine is not heh
[22:06:48] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: did you finish your degree yet?
[22:06:56] <zeeshan> masters?
[22:06:56] <Wolf_Mill> test it and find out
[22:06:58] <zeeshan> no
[22:07:02] <zeeshan> but im going to be doing it part time
[22:07:04] <zeeshan> i found full time work
[22:07:08] <zeeshan> was getting sick of school
[22:07:37] <MacGalempsy> haha. i hear that. im taking this cnc class and thinking about doing the 10 month machinist course starting in the spring
[22:07:42] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan nice man
[22:08:03] <zeeshan> please hope its not apos
[22:08:12] <zeeshan> last lathe i drove an hour to go see was ap os
[22:08:26] <PetefromTn_> what HP?
[22:08:48] <zeeshan> 20
[22:09:03] <zeeshan> dude i was looking at another lathe
[22:09:04] <PetefromTn_> nice...I doubt I could run that machine here
[22:09:07] <zeeshan> but the dealer fucked me..
[22:09:16] <zeeshan> it;s smaller packaged than this one
[22:09:19] <zeeshan> but last moment he's like
[22:09:26] <zeeshan> "oh we can't sell that machine by itself"
[22:09:32] <zeeshan> "you gotta buy both machines from that factory"
[22:09:33] <zeeshan> ..
[22:09:44] <PetefromTn_> heh typical dealer BS
[22:09:47] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_Mill: why do you think larue has all those censor pixels in their pics?
[22:10:06] <Wolf_Mill> no thinking, ITAR Regs
[22:10:14] <zeeshan> he's like
[22:10:17] <zeeshan> "Buy both machines"
[22:10:21] <zeeshan> and ill do my best to sell the toher one
[22:10:26] <zeeshan> im like why dont you buy both, and illbuy the one?
[22:10:26] <zeeshan> :-)
[22:10:27] <MacGalempsy> ITAR regs?
[22:10:27] <zeeshan> haha
[22:11:14] <MacGalempsy> oic
[22:12:09] <Wolf_Mill> pics of parts/jigs and whatnots fall under that
[22:12:30] <zeeshan> i dont think its any of that
[22:12:35] <zeeshan> its all the naked chick posters!
[22:12:36] <zeeshan> :D
[22:12:42] <Wolf_Mill> that too
[22:12:43] <zeeshan> haha
[22:12:48] <PetefromTn_> woah what naked chick posters?
[22:12:56] <MacGalempsy> bahahaha. yeah those nudies
[22:12:57] <zeeshan> almost all machine shops
[22:13:00] <zeeshan> have some naked chick posters
[22:13:03] <zeeshan> its such a machinist thing haha
[22:13:15] <PetefromTn_> no its a guy thing
[22:13:19] <MacGalempsy> oil rig dog houses are full of nudies, gun mags and car mags
[22:13:28] <zeeshan> yea
[22:13:29] <PetefromTn_> just happens that machine shops are full of em hehe
[22:13:34] <zeeshan> likely a guyu thing
[22:13:35] <zeeshan> :D
[22:13:47] <MacGalempsy> MAN thing
[22:14:29] <Wolf_Mill> best part is that make that in house too http://www.laruetactical.com/sites/default/files/larue_amy_posterresize_3.jpg
[22:14:32] <MacGalempsy> so I got a refurbed spindle drive on the way, the guy on ebay actually gave me a 375 credit to send in my unit that faults
[22:15:02] <MacGalempsy> LIke G Gordon Liddy calenders :)
[22:15:10] <PetefromTn_> all those silly AR parts ;)
[22:15:15] <Tom_itx> warning, naked chicks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzacYRTsPwc
[22:15:48] <MacGalempsy> hahaha
[22:16:12] <zeeshan> SOFT AND FUZZZZZZZZZZZZZY
[22:17:22] <PetefromTn_> man I love getting paypal emails its kinda like Christmas ;)
[22:17:31] <Wolf_Mill> dammit, I thought I had a 1/8 round nose endmill
[22:18:12] <PetefromTn_> I am sure this is a stupid question but can I assume Wolf_Mill is the same as Furrywolf?
[22:18:28] <Wolf_Mill> no
[22:18:44] <Wolf_Mill> wolf_ and me same
[22:19:10] <PetefromTn_> too many wolves in here
[22:19:24] <zeeshan> rofl
[22:19:40] <Wolf_Mill> I've been on this server for 2-3 years with this name
[22:19:55] <Wolf_Mill> well Wolf_
[22:20:41] <zeeshan> man im trying to get this machinery dealer to get me the okuma
[22:20:43] <zeeshan> it's so much nicer
[22:20:58] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/Hj8zV
[22:21:00] <PetefromTn_> are you sure you are not furrywolf? do you have a dildo fetish? ;) JK
[22:21:01] <zeeshan> look at how compact it is
[22:21:48] <PetefromTn_> how are you going to power that machine?
[22:21:58] <zeeshan> gonna do the same thing as the mill
[22:22:00] <zeeshan> get rid of the drives
[22:22:04] <zeeshan> put in single phase drives
[22:22:06] <zeeshan> and vfd
[22:22:19] <PetefromTn_> for a 20 hp spindle motor?
[22:22:29] <zeeshan> 20hp is pushing it
[22:22:32] <zeeshan> the okuma is 15hp
[22:22:44] <zeeshan> its a better machine..
[22:22:51] <zeeshan> 2.3" spindle bore vs 1.7
[22:22:53] <PetefromTn_> well you know a lot more about it than I do
[22:22:55] <zeeshan> its lower
[22:22:58] <Tom_itx> i like okuma
[22:23:04] <zeeshan> lower rapids, but that sokay
[22:23:07] <PetefromTn_> Okuma is the cats azz
[22:23:17] <PetefromTn_> but parts are crazy expensive
[22:23:49] <Tom_itx> he had 3 or 4 of em in the shop
[22:23:58] <zeeshan> it has good specs
[22:24:03] <MacGalempsy> Zeeshan, why dont you look down in the states for a machine and drive it up there?
[22:24:03] <PetefromTn_> like you I really wanted a big slant bed lathe with toolchanger but I just did not think I could feasibly power the damn thing even with replacing the drives etc.
[22:24:11] <Wolf_Mill> dammit
[22:24:19] <Tom_itx> two were 2 pallet changer
[22:24:38] <zeeshan> 3500 rpm max, xrapid 320 ipm, z rapid 480, 15hp , spindle bore 2.31, max turning length 23" , max turning diameter 8.3" , swing over bed 18"
[22:24:47] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: too much money to transport
[22:24:56] <zeeshan> locally i can rent a flatbbed, and hire forklifts
[22:24:58] <zeeshan> for about 600
[22:25:09] <zeeshan> shipping from the states will be prolly 4x that
[22:25:25] <MacGalempsy> ah, ok. because a lot of factories that sell their machines will load them for you
[22:25:30] <zeeshan> same ehre
[22:25:34] <zeeshan> but i gotta unload it at my house
[22:25:43] <MacGalempsy> but if you got a better deal, then 4x more would be worth it
[22:25:55] <zeeshan> i need to spend 4000 MAX
[22:25:58] <zeeshan> thats all i have saved up for this
[22:26:12] <zeeshan> and whatever money i recover from my current lathe
[22:26:12] <MacGalempsy> sounds stupid, but have you tried craigslist?
[22:26:14] <zeeshan> ill put into electronics
[22:26:19] <MacGalempsy> I see machines all the time on our local one
[22:26:21] <zeeshan> yes ive been looking almost everyday
[22:26:29] <zeeshan> thats how i found the okuma
[22:26:38] <zeeshan> we almost had a deal till he called me last minute
[22:26:40] <zeeshan> saying igotta buy both machines
[22:26:45] <zeeshan> otherwise those guys won't come to a deal.
[22:26:53] <PetefromTn_> there are quite a few guys here with cincinatti CNC lathe retrofits
[22:27:59] <zeeshan> everyone prolly has diff needs
[22:28:05] <zeeshan> but i know for sure at minimum i need a 2" spindle bore
[22:28:08] <Wolf_Mill> hmm will a center drill work as a engraver bit? lol
[22:28:34] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: i can see it working
[22:28:34] <zeeshan> :)
[22:28:41] <PetefromTn_> I have used one before
[22:28:53] <PetefromTn_> not great but it worked
[22:29:18] <Wolf_Mill> I was going to use a 1/8 ball end but... hell if I know where it went
[22:29:59] <Wolf_Mill> oh, wait, 1/16 pcb endmill
[22:30:05] <zeeshan> if you need a 21mm flat bottom hole
[22:30:08] <zeeshan> thats about 3" deep
[22:30:28] <zeeshan> would you drill using regular 118 drill and then use a flat bottom after?
[22:30:37] <Tom_itx> zeeshan you should have bought both of em and let him use your money until he sold the other one
[22:30:50] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: are you nuts
[22:30:53] <zeeshan> he'll never sell it
[22:30:59] <Tom_itx> not even a little
[22:31:00] <zeeshan> and even if he sells it, he'll make sure he fucks me hard on it
[22:31:08] <Tom_itx> :)
[22:31:08] <zeeshan> saying he couldnt get a good price for it
[22:31:23] <zeeshan> i might appear dumb
[22:31:25] <zeeshan> but i aint :P
[22:31:28] <MacGalempsy> back to PID tuning. does anyone have any thoughts on this comment the electrical engineer mention during a phone call? "The drivers are tuned in such a way that there shouldn't be any P" while PID tuning?
[22:32:05] <Tom_itx> i'd start with P
[22:32:20] <Tom_itx> i think he's nuts
[22:33:32] <tiwake> Wolf_Mill: would I want this to go with it? http://www.tequipment.net/Cal-Test/CT4042/
[22:33:41] <tiwake> or is it mostly just fluff
[22:33:46] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I have done that before and we used a shop made flat bottom drill LOL
[22:34:04] <zeeshan> is there any other way around?
[22:34:06] <zeeshan> it
[22:34:17] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy, i used P, I and FF0
[22:34:24] <zeeshan> i dont have a lot of holders for drills
[22:34:27] <Wolf_Mill> umm for that much i'm NO
[22:34:29] <zeeshan> wanna try using as little drills as possible
[22:34:45] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: that is what I have been trying to do. I can get a pretty stable wave, but the only way to get the accuracy better as start to increase P
[22:34:49] <Valen> big milling cutter and just mill that bastard?
[22:34:58] <Wolf_Mill> does make it easy that its all in one kit tho
[22:34:58] <zeeshan> hmm
[22:35:04] <zeeshan> the one i used for the throttle body job
[22:35:04] <MacGalempsy> it stays pretty stable for a while, but evenutally the motors start hummin
[22:35:07] <zeeshan> lemme measure
[22:35:08] <zeeshan> good idea.
[22:35:44] <Wolf_Mill> ok linuxcnc noob question, load program, touch offs, then z tool touch off and run ?
[22:35:49] <MacGalempsy> From what I read, it seemed that I should be better for spindle than Axis. Is this correct? do you use a super small I?
[22:36:22] <PetefromTn_> thats a pretty vague question heh
[22:36:38] <Tom_itx> setp pid.0.Pgain 1
[22:36:39] <Tom_itx> setp pid.0.Igain 3.5
[22:36:39] <Tom_itx> setp pid.0.FF0 1
[22:37:28] <Tom_itx> but i'm using a cheapass motor on a sherline
[22:37:46] <PetefromTn_> is that a brand name ;)
[22:37:51] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[22:38:08] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
[22:38:11] <Tom_itx> if you wanna look
[22:38:19] <MacGalempsy> sure, I'll look
[22:38:34] <Tom_itx> i had to add some stuff so it wouldn't run away during reverse
[22:38:46] <PetefromTn_> well I gotta hit the sack guys. Goodnight!!
[22:38:47] <MacGalempsy> what kind of resolution are you getting?
[22:38:53] <MacGalempsy> good night PetefromTn_
[22:39:00] <PetefromTn_> :D
[22:54:42] <MacGalempsy> when the manufacturer claims 0.0002" positioning with 0.0001" repeatability, what kind of feed rate do you think they are measuring that at?
[22:57:05] <Wolf_Mill> reallly slow?
[22:57:21] <MacGalempsy> thats what I am wondering
[22:57:41] <MacGalempsy> or at least want to keep in mind while PID tuning
[22:58:08] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_Mill: how slow would you think?
[22:58:14] <MacGalempsy> like 10ipm?
[22:59:02] <Wolf_Mill> too many variables
[22:59:58] <Wolf_Mill> I dont know much about tuning PIDs yet either
[23:00:35] <Wolf_Mill> holy crap, F6 in metric is really really slow
[23:02:29] <MacGalempsy> i am curious with people who pid tune, what feed rate do you use when determining the accuracy is is within spec?
[23:09:30] <Wolf_Mill> oh, wow this is gonna take a while...
[23:10:42] <Wolf_Mill> 6mm/min feed rate with 11,200 lines
[23:14:56] <Wolf_Mill> yay for find and replace option :D
[23:23:42] <trentster> Anyone here use fusion360 for cad/cam?
[23:24:05] <renesis> yeah its okay
[23:24:44] <renesis> its awesome for free (am student)
[23:24:52] <trentster> renesis: any idea how I unlink the spindle rpm conenction to the surface speed.
[23:24:58] <trentster> the one seems to change the other
[23:25:13] <trentster> I want to set spindle to X and rapids to Y
[23:25:23] <renesis> hmm dunno
[23:25:52] <renesis> its overrides if you set it manually?
[23:26:29] <renesis> i havent used it in months but i think there is a setting in the tool related to what youre doing
[23:27:06] <trentster> thanks - will check it out
[23:29:48] <furrywolf> yay! internet! probably only few a few minutes.
[23:30:24] <renesis> quick everyone stop talking about furrywolf
[23:30:55] <furrywolf> the fiber optic line for the county was cut earlier today... looks like they've managed to restore partial connectivity. pings are god awful, and most cell towers seem to still be down.
[23:31:37] <harold_> i love the internet
[23:31:44] <harold_> it has brough in my life joy and friends
[23:31:49] <harold_> brought*
[23:31:49] <furrywolf> Happens every few years... no cell phones, no banks, no credit cards, no internet, no long-distance landline phone...
[23:31:51] <harold_> i love u guys
[23:32:02] * harold_ hugs u all
[23:32:19] <renesis> my bestcat was named harold
[23:32:25] * renesis hugs u back
[23:32:59] <harold_> iam your best cat
[23:33:08] <renesis> no harold is gone =(
[23:33:25] <furrywolf> a good reason to always keep a supply of cash... had to pay for food with some of it today, as credit card processing is one of the many things that stops working.
[23:35:20] <MacGalempsy> it is strange that while PID tuning, I notice that the average movement error across 8 2" movements is 0.0001" but the range is -0.0005" to 0.0005"
[23:36:05] <furrywolf> (along with banks and atms, so there's no way to get cash)
[23:36:47] <furrywolf> "CTCP PING reply from furrywolf: 118.493 seconds" yeah, this is pretty useless.
[23:42:42] <furrywolf> according to local paper, "Calls to EPD and Arcata Police Department non-emergency landlines would not go through as of noon." fun. usually local landlines keep working, and only long-distance goes out. I guess the phone company has modified their infrastructure in some fashion since the last big outage a couple years ago such that now even local calls require the long-distance link to be up.
[23:44:21] <roycroft> does that mean the police blotter in the arcata eye will be boring this week because nobody was able to call the cops?
[23:44:54] <furrywolf> heh, down in mendo, apparantly even the 911 lines are down. their suggestion is "please go to your local police or fire department for help"
[23:45:41] <furrywolf> it's kinda sad there's still 3-4 counties all running through a single fiber bundle. we were supposed to get a redundant link installed a couple years ago, but apparantly no one actually entered into agreements to, you know, USE IT.
[23:46:45] <Wolf_Mill> they probably hit the main fiber when installing the secondary
[23:46:54] <roycroft> in mendocino county sometimes your local police or fire deapartment is a half hour or more away
[23:49:39] <furrywolf> it's sometimes a LOT more than that.
[23:58:00] <roycroft> we had a budget crisis in oregon a few years ago
[23:58:19] <roycroft> the state police were down to two officers covering the entire state west of the cascades at night
[23:58:50] <roycroft> josephine county, in southern oregon, also had a budget crisis and had closed its sheriff's department completely
[23:59:14] <roycroft> so law enforcement was sometimes several hours away from there
[23:59:45] <roycroft> people were encouraged to arm themselves so they could handle difficult situations themselves