#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-08-30

[00:01:59] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: its a vfd?
[00:02:09] <furrywolf> it's a 30A servo drive
[00:02:24] <zeeshan> oh
[00:02:28] <zeeshan> sweet
[00:02:34] <zeeshan> :P
[00:03:01] <zeeshan> man
[00:03:08] <zeeshan> im pulling hair trying to figure this angle shit out
[00:03:13] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[00:03:14] <zeeshan> my plate is 13.125" long
[00:03:18] <zeeshan> x 5"
[00:03:21] <MacGalempsy> Allen Bradley 100series
[00:03:25] <zeeshan> i need to machine a 30 degree angle at the corner of it
[00:03:45] <zeeshan> only thing i can think of is rotating my vise and turning the mill head
[00:04:25] <furrywolf> sine bars? angle blocks? overkill cad/cam toolpath? :P
[00:04:31] <zeeshan> not gonna work
[00:04:52] <MacGalempsy> I wonder what a repair on a servo drive costs?
[00:05:10] <furrywolf> more than $300.
[00:05:44] <MacGalempsy> thats what my concern in
[00:06:06] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/bq1j9TU.png
[00:06:14] <zeeshan> tryhing to machine the 60 degree and 30 degree angle
[00:06:19] <zeeshan> i really think i need to rotate the vise fak.
[00:06:28] <zeeshan> and rotate my vertical head
[00:06:55] <furrywolf> or just clamp it to the table and cad/cam a profile. I know you like solutions like that. :P
[00:07:02] <zeeshan> haha
[00:07:04] <zeeshan> that'll take forever man
[00:07:14] <zeeshan> but thats not a bad idea
[00:07:18] <zeeshan> wont have to rotate the vise
[00:07:25] <zeeshan> (only reason i dont wanna rotate it is cause i got more work to do on it)
[00:08:04] <furrywolf> grind a custom 30 degree cutter. :P
[00:08:13] <zeeshan> haha
[00:08:23] <zeeshan> man i always have issues with big parts that need angles
[00:08:32] <zeeshan> small parts is easy
[00:08:37] <zeeshan> but big parts .. anoying!
[00:09:53] <furrywolf> clamp it to random stock and shim until measures 30 degrees.
[00:10:20] <Wolf_Mill> jack machine up on one side
[00:10:21] <zeeshan> well then its better to remove the vise completely from table
[00:10:34] <zeeshan> thats what i had to do when doing those manifolds
[00:10:42] <furrywolf> or just tilt the head on your mill. :P
[00:10:47] <zeeshan> cant
[00:10:52] <zeeshan> vise is 90 degrees from the tilt direction
[00:10:59] <zeeshan> so i need to rotate vise
[00:11:03] <zeeshan> i think im gonna do the cam thing :P
[00:11:06] <furrywolf> clamp part to table next to vise
[00:11:37] <furrywolf> I figured you might go that route. :P
[00:11:38] <Wolf_Mill> weld a jig to make your jig
[00:11:41] <zeeshan> LOL
[00:11:44] <zeeshan> and lol again!
[00:14:17] <Wolf_Mill> I'm thinking of cutting one of them alum bars I got the other day and making it fit one of the t-slots, then let the machine face it parallel to the table travel so I can get lazy on setups
[00:17:54] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[00:18:52] <MacGalempsy> well, im off to bed... thanks for the help guys
[00:18:59] <zeeshan> cya
[00:19:16] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: that is a cool way to keep chips outta there!
[00:19:46] <Wolf_Mill> eh which?
[00:21:42] <zeeshan> the t-slot aluminum bars
[00:22:11] <Wolf_Mill> I was more thinking top sideing it to indicate work off of
[00:22:35] <Wolf_Mill> bolt it in the slot and then mill the front face
[00:23:24] <Wolf_Mill> also tap holes in it to clamp with
[00:23:49] <Wolf_Mill> I did think about making full length t-nuts from them lol
[00:25:52] <Wolf_Mill> ended up ordering http://www.ebay.com/itm/321189862437
[00:31:48] <Wolf_Mill> well, thats neat, this barstock is 16mm
[00:42:44] <XXCoder> whoo
[00:42:49] <XXCoder> just ran my cnc router for first time
[00:42:59] <XXCoder> no chips but thats fine because many parameters was WAY off.
[00:44:21] <XXCoder> X looks like -X, y is around 2Y, Z is around 3Z lol
[00:44:31] <XXCoder> so yeah gonna fix that :P
[00:44:35] <zeeshan> congrads!
[00:45:28] <XXCoder> thanks
[00:46:14] <XXCoder> I tried to get wireless to work but it didnt
[00:46:17] <XXCoder> drat
[00:47:54] <XXCoder> zeeshan: one things for sure though
[00:48:17] <XXCoder> keyboard controls is way more awkward than nice and handy hand wheel
[01:03:48] <Wolf_Mill> I've been eyeing my z axis all night trying to figure how to shove the motor on whats there :D
[01:04:10] <XXCoder> if obly we had time lord techology
[01:04:23] <XXCoder> fit 100'x100' room in what amounts to be closet
[01:04:56] <Wolf_Mill> I would want a tad more door
[01:05:22] <XXCoder> yeah probably just build a 1'x20' shed with garage door
[01:05:31] <XXCoder> inside 100'x100'
[01:05:33] <Wolf_Mill> yup
[01:05:43] <Wolf_Mill> its smaller on the outside
[01:05:53] <XXCoder> as well as slap another garage door on other side
[01:05:57] <XXCoder> for more rooms and such
[01:06:23] <XXCoder> people would say wtf whats up with double garage doored shed. I would say "its garage door tester"
[01:06:45] <Wolf_Mill> even more of a plus if it comes with a karen gillan
[01:07:00] <XXCoder> lol
[01:12:27] <XXCoder> lol
[01:12:27] <XXCoder> http://i.snag.gy/LwWcE.jpg
[01:12:30] <XXCoder> thats funny.
[01:16:22] <Wolf_Mill> heh
[01:16:48] <XXCoder> is there more modern linuxcnc version nowdays?
[01:16:58] <XXCoder> expecially one using xfce to avoid all that bloat
[01:17:27] <Wolf_Mill> yeah there is, like week or two old
[01:18:37] <XXCoder> awesome, reading changelog
[01:19:07] <Wolf_Mill> I'm running 2.7-pre7 right now
[01:19:40] <XXCoder> how stable is beta
[01:19:58] <Wolf_Mill> I havent crashed anything yet, and I have no idea what I'm doing lol
[01:20:39] <XXCoder> lol
[01:21:02] <XXCoder> I did crash couple times but luckly my machine dont seem to be that sensive to that
[01:21:15] <XXCoder> would avoid it as much as possible though.
[01:21:44] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, if I'm really milling I probably wont have firefox running with 30 tab open
[01:21:58] <XXCoder> do it for latency test though
[01:22:36] <Wolf_Mill> I did, firefox, youtube playing, 4 HD movies in various formats running in VLC
[01:23:08] <XXCoder> mine was 91k worse, but then wasnt running much of anything (laptop touchpad sucks, need get mouse)
[01:23:31] <Wolf_Mill> mine hit 11k worst
[01:24:20] <XXCoder> 91k (unloaded) probably not bad for 13 years old laptop.
[01:24:48] <Wolf_Mill> yeah
[01:25:08] <Wolf_Mill> this box runs around 6k unloaded
[01:25:34] <Wolf_Mill> think its a 9yr build
[01:25:38] <XXCoder> im not clear though
[01:25:41] <XXCoder> higher the better or?
[01:25:58] <Wolf_Mill> latency timing, lower the better
[01:26:27] <XXCoder> ouch lol
[01:26:31] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/VdPduXL.jpg this right?
[01:26:33] <XXCoder> in least laptop is just testing stuff
[01:26:47] <XXCoder> I have powerful (for 2006) pc ready for it
[01:28:50] <Wolf_Mill> :) I have 2 more old amd systems lined up if I need them
[01:29:09] <XXCoder> oh apple tree in my family home made so many apples jeez
[01:29:12] <XXCoder> looks like 500
[01:29:21] <XXCoder> seriously dunno but look like 30 per branch
[01:29:31] <Wolf_Mill> hehe nice
[01:29:34] <XXCoder> but most is bugs eaten bah
[01:29:50] <Wolf_Mill> hmm, I need food... brb lol
[01:29:53] <XXCoder> but top branch broke off and it had some decent apples, and it wasnt crab apple! surpised me
[01:30:11] <XXCoder> it was always pretty small, always thought it was crab apple.
[02:42:56] <Deejay> moin
[02:43:58] <XXCoder> yo
[03:05:52] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/NhpJu6Y.jpg
[03:05:55] <zeeshan> its coming together :D
[03:06:49] <XXCoder> cool
[03:07:00] <XXCoder> not even 1 am, im turning in early. night
[03:07:09] <XXCoder> basically didnt sleep last night
[03:07:12] <zeeshan> lol
[03:07:14] <zeeshan> its 4am here almost
[03:07:16] <zeeshan> im tired :P
[03:07:24] <zeeshan> gnite
[03:07:29] <XXCoder> wish it was due to horzional tango
[03:07:33] <XXCoder> but nooo :P
[03:07:34] <XXCoder> night
[03:07:35] <archivist> it is 8:44 time to WAKE UP
[03:09:13] <archivist> actually time to paint another side of a filing machine part
[07:47:09] <jthornton> Tom_itx
[07:56:20] <jthornton> interesting read on GTK problems http://littlesvr.ca/grumble/2014/05/10/whos-screwing-up-gtk/
[08:20:38] <XXCoder> jthornton: interesting
[08:20:58] <jthornton> I thought so
[08:21:21] <jthornton> just trying to figure out if I want to learn QT or not
[08:21:22] <XXCoder> maybe time for fork and new project
[08:21:51] <XXCoder> from what I see QT uses its own widgets and so on so its different from native os window system
[08:22:05] <jthornton> that's what I read too
[08:24:54] <jthornton> dunno if I want to learn C++ or not
[08:26:27] <jthornton> well there is PyQt...
[08:26:38] <XXCoder> c++ is ok
[08:26:53] <XXCoder> its bit of mess but if you know OOP its fine
[08:30:31] <jthornton> looks like pyqt5 is only on jessie not wheezy
[08:30:43] <Jymmm> ANSI C FTW =)
[08:31:48] <Deejay> :)
[08:35:25] <malcom2073> Heh people still use gtk?
[08:36:20] <jthornton> sure why not
[08:38:08] <malcom2073> jthornton: I gave up trying to fix gtk's issues by writing workarounds a long time ago, I just figured nobody was interested in it anymore which is why nothing ever got fixed
[08:38:58] <malcom2073> I switched to Qt about 5 years ago
[08:39:35] <malcom2073> It doesn't help that I prefer c++ though
[08:41:25] <jthornton> yea, I'm the same way about python just because I've programmed in it for a long time
[08:42:32] <malcom2073> I tried python, I really wanted to learn it, but I'm too much of a indentation nazi, and python disagreed with me :P
[08:43:05] <jthornton> lol yes it is very anal about indentation
[08:46:14] <XXCoder> intentation is how it know where fnctions end
[08:46:17] <XXCoder> and so ob
[08:46:23] <XXCoder> so yeah pretty important.
[08:46:48] <malcom2073> Yeah heh
[08:54:29] <jthornton> malcom2073, do you use an IDE to write C++ code in?
[08:54:56] <malcom2073> jthornton: Yeah I use QtCreator, for both Qt and non-Qt projects
[08:56:24] <jthornton> I've messed with Qt Creator a couple of times but didn't get far
[08:57:07] <malcom2073> I don't know that it would be a great IDE for learning c++ in general
[08:57:42] <Deejay> vi and make, that is what you need ;)
[08:59:50] <malcom2073> psh make? Write your own damn compile lines
[09:00:11] <XXCoder> no, you mean emacs and make lol
[09:00:30] <Deejay> emacs is also ok ;)
[09:05:04] <XXCoder> vi good too just preferred emacs lol
[09:05:08] <XXCoder> nano for quick edits
[09:12:02] <Tom_itx> no software is perfect unless you write it yourself :)
[09:12:41] <Tom_itx> using indents in software is just stupid imo
[09:13:02] <XXCoder> in source code its required
[09:13:11] <XXCoder> even if language ignores whitespace
[09:13:30] <jthornton> I use Gedit and gcc
[09:13:37] <Tom_itx> i meant using it as a defined part of the language
[09:13:52] <SEL> most of the time indent is for readability
[09:13:52] <XXCoder> oh
[09:14:09] <Tom_itx> of course i indent
[09:14:10] <XXCoder> it dont matter to me because indent is important
[09:14:49] <jthornton> hey Tom_itx take a look at the html http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/
[09:15:10] <Tom_itx> it's just like a library i purchased the source for years ago. the ass used ___ underscores to define his variables
[09:15:13] <jthornton> I made it remember what sections were open when you press the back button
[09:15:57] <Tom_itx> nice
[09:16:19] <jthornton> yea, it was annoying to me to press the back button and have to reopen a section
[09:16:43] <Tom_itx> i never noticed that much because i usually expand all
[09:16:54] <Tom_itx> nice feature though
[09:17:34] <jthornton> even if you expand all without remembering when you use the back button you would have to expand them again
[09:17:50] <jthornton> this way you only expand them all once
[09:17:59] <jthornton> or the sections your interested in
[09:18:21] <Tom_itx> i like it
[09:19:22] <jthornton> me too
[09:20:35] <Tom_itx> now tell google to stop screwing my phone up every time it thinks it needs an update and i'll be happy
[09:21:08] <Tom_itx> it actually ruined one. now the screen flickers all the time
[09:21:23] <jthornton> how does google screw with a phone?
[09:21:32] <Tom_itx> it wrote android
[09:21:42] <jthornton> ah ok
[09:22:01] <jthornton> all the crap they put on your phone is horrible
[09:22:07] <jthornton> and you can't delete it
[09:22:09] <Tom_itx> yeah and you can't get rid of it
[09:22:29] <Tom_itx> they farm your personal information whether you allow it or not
[09:24:01] <Tom_itx> still better than apple
[09:24:41] <jthornton> yea, I could not wait to trash the eye phone
[09:25:32] <Tom_itx> helped a chiropractor friend move his shop over the weekend, now i need to go see him...
[09:25:41] <Tom_itx> heh
[09:25:48] <XXCoder> theres complete open source android called replicant
[09:26:00] <XXCoder> issue is it has SHORT list of suppoirted devices.
[09:26:35] <Tom_itx> you could root the phone and probably fix alot of it but it's hardly worth my time
[09:28:56] <XXCoder> my suggestion? dont buy samsung
[09:29:42] <jthornton> it's Verison that packs all the junk on my phone
[09:30:07] <XXCoder> samsung removed some features like multiuser
[09:30:20] <XXCoder> then replaced some google apps with their own much crappier
[09:30:23] <XXCoder> apps
[09:32:56] <Tom_itx> years ago when ipaq's were popular, i purchased software from a vendor that required a software key. On one of the updates he did he wanted to verify the device and had me mail it to him. I marked the ipaq so i knew it was mine and sent it to him. On returing it to me i received the same hardware back but found out he'd changed the device serial number.
[09:33:34] <XXCoder> whoa wtf is that
[09:33:36] <Tom_itx> nearly went to court on that one
[09:33:37] <XXCoder> whats you do
[09:34:45] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: so what happened?
[09:35:10] <Tom_itx> i just dropped it finally.
[09:35:25] <Tom_itx> he knew i knew what he had done in no uncertain terms
[09:35:43] <Tom_itx> he never figured out what i did though
[09:36:07] <XXCoder> you sure it wasnt mb swap or something like that
[09:36:13] <Tom_itx> positive
[09:36:17] <Tom_itx> i marked it
[09:36:32] <Tom_itx> he clearly changed it in eeprom
[09:36:40] <XXCoder> just really wondered why guy changed serial
[09:37:01] <Tom_itx> to protect his software key scheme
[09:37:15] <Tom_itx> which obviously had holes in it :D
[09:38:08] <Tom_itx> the product sold for ~900 so it wasn't just your average hack
[09:41:23] <SpeedEvil> http://www.lukejerram.com/glass/gallery/giardia
[09:44:31] <XXCoder> man
[09:44:38] <XXCoder> that was heck of weird security thing
[09:45:05] <XXCoder> why not just take serial number and encode it into very long key excryption then one way has
[09:45:21] <XXCoder> hash part probabkly not needed
[09:45:37] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: because everyone thinks developing encryption is easy.
[09:45:48] <SpeedEvil> And uses rot13+bit-shift and calls it uncracable
[09:45:51] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: why develop it?
[09:45:51] <Tom_itx> he did use the SN for encryption
[09:46:00] <XXCoder> just use library
[09:46:09] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: quite
[09:46:15] <XXCoder> never develop excryption library unless you can do interpetive dance on it
[09:46:22] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: though screwing up the use of library is popular too
[09:46:22] <XXCoder> thats what my teacher said lol
[09:46:25] <SpeedEvil> xbox, for example
[09:46:46] <SpeedEvil> null key IIRC, for no good reason
[09:46:54] <XXCoder> lol
[09:47:17] <XXCoder> other stuff can be screwed up, like acciently shipping master key on dvd
[09:47:32] <SpeedEvil> Someones done that?
[09:47:41] <XXCoder> dvd
[09:48:00] <XXCoder> or was it blue dvd
[09:48:10] <XXCoder> forgot which, they all had key so it could be ripped
[09:49:46] <Tom_itx> XXCoder, by that time ipaqs were already on the decline so i didn't persue it
[09:50:30] <XXCoder> lol ok
[09:50:55] <XXCoder> just learned of apng image format
[09:50:57] <XXCoder> pretty awesome
[09:51:03] <XXCoder> way better than gif
[09:54:10] <XXCoder> sigh hope theres something in laws for privacy
[09:54:15] <XXCoder> because man everythings spying
[09:54:30] <XXCoder> whats next, tiolet that takes pictures of poop and my butt?
[10:00:43] <t12> XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJklHwoYgBQ
[10:01:10] <XXCoder> lol company is registered sex offender
[10:01:15] <CaptHindsight> how else do you catch the "poop" bombers?
[10:02:04] <XXCoder> is all adult swim shows captioned?
[10:02:52] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: you do realize that the people behind all the spying don't see you as an equal
[10:03:01] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: of course
[10:03:13] <XXCoder> they see you as product
[10:03:27] <XXCoder> if something is free its usually the case (notable excpetions though)
[10:05:54] <CaptHindsight> more of a potential or exploitable resource, like cattle
[10:06:11] <XXCoder> well thats what I mean
[10:06:22] <XXCoder> we are product companies sell to other companies
[10:06:35] <CaptHindsight> but most people don't seem to mind
[10:06:47] <XXCoder> I dont in some extent
[10:08:24] <CaptHindsight> they still get upset about racism, but not this type of extreme racism, not sure if they don't realize this yet or just don't care
[10:14:24] <XXCoder> racism against humanity from corprations?
[10:14:33] <XXCoder> specism is closer
[10:14:43] <XXCoder> or maybe lifeism
[10:15:28] <CaptHindsight> maybe once AI takes over corporations
[11:35:33] <zeeshan> man this puts a smile to my face -> going from http://i.imgur.com/3Le1Zpb.jpg to this -> http://i.imgur.com/NhpJu6Y.jpg
[11:35:39] <zeeshan> its what got me into engineering
[11:36:37] <XXCoder> ah so thats what that thing was for
[11:36:43] <zeeshan> yes
[11:36:46] <zeeshan> still got a bunch more parts to make
[11:38:27] <Tom_itx> hope you can reach all the fixture bolts
[11:38:37] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:39:02] <zeeshan> whatcha mean
[11:39:16] <zeeshan> im using schs with T handle
[11:39:24] <XXCoder> so its 4 part a time, moving it around
[11:39:30] <zeeshan> 5
[11:39:37] <XXCoder> or is it ahh
[11:39:54] <zeeshan> one set of tool path for bottom plate
[11:39:56] <XXCoder> was about to say 15 parts (just noticed not 4 a row)
[11:39:59] <zeeshan> another set tool path for angle plate
[11:40:19] <zeeshan> then 2 sets of tool paths for the 90 degree plate (cause i gotta flip the part twice on that setup)
[11:40:21] <Tom_itx> i realize all that but how are you gonna tighten from below?
[11:40:34] <XXCoder> looks threaded
[11:40:38] <zeeshan> thers no bolts to tighten from below
[11:40:54] <zeeshan> the grey plates have m8x1.25 threads, and the blue plate
[11:40:58] <zeeshan> is what indexes on it
[11:41:00] <Tom_itx> hope it works as engineered
[11:41:17] <zeeshan> i think it will
[11:41:24] <zeeshan> i need to be careful when welding the angle plate
[11:41:27] <zeeshan> i gotta get it pretty close
[11:41:34] <zeeshan> same with 90 deg plate
[11:41:46] <Jymmm> Could pin and screw it
[11:42:00] <zeeshan> can't screw it
[11:42:02] <zeeshan> not enough material
[11:42:25] <zeeshan> oh youre talking about the angle plates
[11:42:40] <furrywolf> your mockup makes it look like your plate overlaps your holes.
[11:42:50] <zeeshan> furrywolf: it doesnt :P
[11:42:52] <zeeshan> its just not tacked
[11:43:01] <zeeshan> and ineed to machine a 45 degree chamfer on the right side of that angle plate
[11:43:27] <zeeshan> hmm
[11:43:30] <zeeshan> i just realized something
[11:43:39] <zeeshan> no wonder this plate isn't sitting right
[11:43:54] <zeeshan> hmmm
[11:44:07] <Tom_itx> you _should_ pin and screw it
[11:44:17] <Tom_itx> welding will warp the angles for one thing
[11:44:25] <zeeshan> nahh
[11:44:32] <zeeshan> i have temp angle jig setup
[11:44:36] <zeeshan> to hold it in plate when welding
[11:44:40] <zeeshan> should be ok for the tolerances neede
[11:44:54] <zeeshan> it needs to be 30 degrees within a degree
[11:44:54] <Tom_itx> and if the engineer you hired was wrong it's scrap and can't be fixed
[11:45:09] <zeeshan> ???
[11:45:10] <XXCoder> hired
[11:45:16] <Tom_itx> xactly
[11:45:25] <zeeshan> i hired an engineer?
[11:45:27] <XXCoder> yeah dont think he hired anymore
[11:45:29] <zeeshan> i am the damn engineer
[11:45:35] <XXCoder> unless you meant he hired himself
[11:45:37] <zeeshan> lol
[11:45:42] <fenn> didn't you agree to pay furrywolf $4k for design consultation
[11:45:47] <Tom_itx> i was aware of who the engineer was...
[11:46:01] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: sunday afternoon trolling?
[11:46:15] <Tom_itx> naw, it's still morning... just wait..
[11:46:37] <Sync_> god damn, dry break connectors are spendy
[11:46:59] <Jymmm> Tom_itx++
[11:47:14] <XXCoder> zeeshan: ohh I think I see a issue
[11:47:20] <zeeshan> 5!
[11:47:45] <XXCoder> the first stage connection left pnes is partially covered by angled metal plate?
[11:48:05] <zeeshan> its sitting wrong
[11:48:08] <zeeshan> not tacked in real life
[11:48:12] <XXCoder> oh
[11:48:40] <Tom_itx> make 3 separate fixtures and you can run them all at once
[11:48:59] <zeeshan> tom
[11:49:01] <zeeshan> i was actually thinking
[11:49:01] <Tom_itx> unless you don't have the table for it
[11:49:06] <zeeshan> no i dont have the table
[11:49:16] <Tom_itx> so do 3 sets of 3 then
[11:49:27] <Tom_itx> fewer scrap parts in the end
[11:49:42] <zeeshan> ??
[11:49:53] <furrywolf> yeah, if it works, I want a cut. :P
[11:49:55] <zeeshan> its easier for me to do it
[11:50:22] <zeeshan> furrywolf: all data was released according to gnu public domain :P
[11:50:27] <zeeshan> i just pulled a tormach on you
[11:50:37] <zeeshan> and don't take credit for all the work
[11:50:38] <zeeshan> thank u :p
[11:50:53] <Jymmm> If it dopens't work, furrywolf will kick in 10% of the net losses to cover zeeshan engineering ;)
[11:51:23] <XXCoder> zeeshan: 1% to me because I was here too ;)
[11:51:30] <XXCoder> not rhat I was much help lol
[11:51:31] <furrywolf> no, if he likes gnu licenses, they all have a disclaimer of liability or fitness for any purpose... :P
[11:51:36] <Tom_itx> as fast as you plan to mill those, that little stick holding them may not be enough when you're milling out on the end of that part
[11:51:48] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: ill bet you a 1000 bux
[11:51:52] <zeeshan> that its more than plenty
[11:52:00] <zeeshan> if it was aluminum or steel
[11:52:02] <zeeshan> probably not
[11:52:06] <zeeshan> wood, it'll handle it easily
[11:52:16] <Tom_itx> i'll match your 1000 bux you don't run full speed
[11:52:17] <zeeshan> i was holding wood with my hand while face milling it
[11:52:24] <zeeshan> to get a feel for cutting forces
[11:52:34] <zeeshan> i can hold wood by hand while milling it.
[11:52:37] <zeeshan> try doing that w/ steel
[11:52:39] <fenn> i'm more concerned about the vertical plate flexing when the pieces are being milled while held on it
[11:52:39] <zeeshan> or al
[11:52:53] <zeeshan> you guys are thinking too much
[11:53:01] <Tom_itx> alright.
[11:53:02] <zeeshan> it's sunday, have a cold one
[11:53:10] <XXCoder> fenn: wood milling? not that stressed when milling
[11:53:17] <fenn> yep /me goes back to reading model engineer back issues
[11:53:18] <XXCoder> zee used pretty thick slabs opf metal
[11:53:33] <zeeshan> fenn: this jig weighs close to 80lb
[11:53:37] <XXCoder> he probably could get away with much thinner lol
[11:53:50] <zeeshan> the max cutting force the wood will see is around 80lb
[11:53:51] <fenn> it's more about the geometry than the mass
[11:53:55] <zeeshan> i know
[11:54:00] <Jymmm> 80LBS?! How thick is it?
[11:54:02] <zeeshan> i already did a fea analysis on it
[11:54:25] <zeeshan> 100lb is going to bend that plate by like 0.0001
[11:54:34] <fenn> heh ok nevermind
[11:55:57] <zeeshan> i need to figure out a way to cover my mill
[11:56:00] <zeeshan> when machining these wood pieces
[11:56:07] <zeeshan> it makes chips but asap you touch them
[11:56:10] <zeeshan> they obliterate
[11:56:10] <Jymmm> duct tape
[11:56:14] <Tom_itx> yeah, it'll work fine. after all the parts aren't goin to the moon
[11:56:30] <zeeshan> yes and its also not inconel
[11:56:35] <zeeshan> or 4140 that im machining
[11:56:45] <zeeshan> because this jig would not be sufficient for that
[11:57:04] <Tom_itx> you goin back to your old job?
[11:57:11] <zeeshan> kind of
[11:57:25] <Tom_itx> better get this done or you won't have time
[11:57:27] <XXCoder> zeeshan: probably sheets of plastic
[11:58:00] <XXCoder> or go to leather shop see if they got scraps for cheap for critical spots lol
[11:58:05] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: i agree this job is big
[11:58:11] <zeeshan> but ive done a lot worse than this while working full time
[11:58:22] <zeeshan> specifically those oil filler necks
[11:58:26] <zeeshan> welding those took forever
[11:58:48] <zeeshan> XXCoder: whatcha talking about
[11:58:57] <zeeshan> plastic liners?
[11:59:10] <zeeshan> honestly i was thinking of grabbing a drop cloth
[11:59:15] <XXCoder> something like that. you said you wanted to protect machine
[11:59:18] <zeeshan> and just duct taping it to the machine
[11:59:20] <XXCoder> that'd work
[11:59:27] <zeeshan> literally cover the whole thing
[11:59:53] <Tom_itx> submerge it
[12:00:02] <Sync_> WAT. a -3AN drybreak set is over 500 bux
[12:00:08] <zeeshan> actually thinking about submerging
[12:00:16] <zeeshan> can you use water for coolant on stablized wood i wonder?
[12:00:24] <XXCoder> dunno
[12:00:29] <Tom_itx> i doubt it
[12:00:41] <XXCoder> good air blast should be fine
[12:00:43] <Sync_> use compressed air
[12:00:44] <XXCoder> wood
[12:00:44] <zeeshan> Sync_: cam lock?
[12:00:59] <zeeshan> im thinking a fine mist of water
[12:01:07] <zeeshan> so it evaporates on contact
[12:01:12] <zeeshan> but also helps keep dust down
[12:01:29] <zeeshan> with air blast i was thinking
[12:01:34] <zeeshan> itll just blow chips everywhere
[12:02:09] <fenn> vacuum
[12:02:11] <Sync_> zeeshan: stäubli sph03
[12:02:36] <zeeshan> seksi
[12:02:53] <zeeshan> ive heard about thsoe, never seen one in real life
[12:03:12] <Sync_> super common in racing
[12:03:45] <XXCoder> zeeshan: can always make filtered fan thingy
[12:04:03] <XXCoder> get a big house type filter, push air though it. will stop all fine dust
[12:04:29] <XXCoder> kinda like this zeeshan http://woodgears.ca/dust/air_cleaner.html
[12:04:42] <zeeshan> haha
[12:04:45] <zeeshan> ive done something like that before
[12:04:48] <zeeshan> that i dont think ive shared here before
[12:05:04] <zeeshan> you guys might get a tickle out of this
[12:07:18] <Sync_> there are chinaclones of the stäublis but I don't want my clutch to drop, so I guess I'll get a real one
[12:09:20] <Tom_itx> XXCoder, that guy needs one of these instead: http://www.thewoodwhisperer.com/videos/cyclone-separator-shootout/
[12:09:33] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: he built two
[12:09:47] <XXCoder> the filter thingy was early
[12:09:56] <XXCoder> but very easy
[12:10:12] <XXCoder> he went wild and used house insulation as filter. worked suprising well
[12:10:23] <XXCoder> then he built the cyclone filter
[12:10:52] <Tom_itx> i just open the door and blow it out with the air hose when done
[12:11:15] <XXCoder> not possible for me, I would have to sweep stuff up lol
[12:11:18] <XXCoder> very busy street
[12:11:30] <Tom_itx> they'd just think it was snowin
[12:11:31] <Jymmm> Step 1: Buy 20" box fan. Step 2: remove fan from box and insert filters in box. Step 3: cut holes in box and bungy cord fan to box.
[12:12:22] <Jymmm> ...also doubles as a food dehydrator when placed horizontally on LOW speed
[12:12:46] <XXCoder> how do that work
[12:12:57] <XXCoder> food part'
[12:13:15] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://makezine.com/projects/make-43/box-fan-beef-jerky/
[12:14:17] <XXCoder> beef on blow side or suck side?
[12:14:35] <Jymmm> No clue... http://leviticus.me/foodcooking/dehydrated/
[12:14:59] <Jymmm> looks like blow side per those pics
[12:15:22] <zeeshan> here you go
[12:15:23] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/5MckK
[12:15:27] <XXCoder> interesting
[12:15:36] <zeeshan> my ultimate booth i built a long time ago for prep work and test painting :P
[12:16:29] <fenn> wrong kind of filter i guess
[12:16:41] <Jymmm> XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLCmxKs4oXU
[12:17:10] <zeeshan> fenn: no matter what you build @ home
[12:17:20] <zeeshan> unless you spend a lot of $
[12:17:22] <XXCoder> blow hard 5000 lol
[12:17:26] <zeeshan> it prolly wont be anything like a real paint botoh
[12:17:28] <XXCoder> gonna love autocaption
[12:17:35] <zeeshan> they have some crazy filtering
[12:17:43] <zeeshan> and down draft type suction
[12:17:52] <XXCoder> zeeshan: what class clea room?
[12:18:01] <Tom_itx> you should have seen the debur table my bud had
[12:18:03] <zeeshan> no idea
[12:18:08] <zeeshan> but it's so clean
[12:18:14] <zeeshan> that you gotta wear a suit inside it
[12:18:15] <XXCoder> probably basic A
[12:18:31] <zeeshan> otherwise you'll realize how much you have in your hair
[12:18:34] <Tom_itx> top was an open grate and HUGE filters on the ends
[12:18:36] <zeeshan> in a normal basis!
[12:18:54] <XXCoder> zeeshan: yeah once visited class AAA clwan room
[12:19:04] <XXCoder> thats where you wear masks and shoe gloves
[12:19:11] <zeeshan> yes :P
[12:19:12] <XXCoder> hair net so on
[12:19:21] <fenn> i used to live in a paint booth like that, it was totally filthy though
[12:19:25] <XXCoder> not net but covering
[12:19:30] <zeeshan> live?!
[12:20:08] <zeeshan> a little spec of dust that you can barely see
[12:20:15] <zeeshan> if it drops in clear coat, it looks like a zit
[12:20:18] <zeeshan> :(
[12:20:26] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Let me know how it turns out for ya
[12:20:39] <XXCoder> its cool but dont think I plan to do that
[12:20:57] <XXCoder> but same time I have 2 filters from when I was trying that stuff out
[12:21:10] <XXCoder> dust cleaning not food dry
[12:22:10] <Sync_> zeeshan: need moar filter area
[12:22:27] <XXCoder> indeed
[12:22:27] <zeeshan> good enough for prep work :P
[12:22:38] <XXCoder> big surface area = easy push air though it
[12:22:42] <zeeshan> honestly, after using the down draft booth
[12:22:51] <zeeshan> i wont even mess with trying to do this again
[12:22:53] <Sync_> yeah
[12:23:05] <Sync_> I was gonna say, you really want a proper laminar flow conditioner too
[12:23:08] <zeeshan> yes
[12:23:19] <zeeshan> cause it doesnt give dust a chance to stick
[12:23:22] <zeeshan> itll flow over the car
[12:23:40] <zeeshan> it still can, but less chance
[12:23:48] <Sync_> I doubt that, but there is no dust in the air
[12:23:53] <Sync_> and you want to recirculate
[12:24:04] <zeeshan> the dust isn't in the air
[12:24:05] <zeeshan> but it's on you
[12:24:10] <zeeshan> when you enter the booth
[12:24:18] <Jymmm> Yeah, no wasting the toxic vapors on the outside world now
[12:24:18] <Sync_> that's why you have a nitrogen shower
[12:24:27] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: not if you're naked, and covered in coconut oil.
[12:24:32] <zeeshan> ROFL
[12:24:33] <Jymmm> Breath deeply
[12:24:38] <Deejay> lol
[12:24:42] <zeeshan> actually those down draft booths are so good
[12:24:46] <Deejay> these pictures in my head...
[12:24:47] <zeeshan> that you dont even need to wear a mask when painting
[12:24:51] <zeeshan> you wont smell the solvent
[12:24:57] <XXCoder> or clothes I guess
[12:25:01] <Sync_> yeah they have a huge airflow
[12:25:31] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Is that your everyday attire or just special occasions?
[12:25:42] <zeeshan> Jymmm: the ladies like it
[12:26:11] <Jymmm> zeeshan: and I suspect some of the boys too
[12:26:14] <Sync_> the ordeal getting into the clean room last year was annoying
[12:26:30] <zeeshan> where do you have a clean room?
[12:27:01] <Sync_> uni institute
[12:27:01] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Sublevel 6, level 3 HazMat containment
[12:27:06] <zeeshan> ah
[12:27:26] <Sync_> where this came from http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/moswafer.jpg
[12:27:42] <Jymmm> 8" wafer
[12:27:42] <zeeshan> nice!
[12:28:03] <XXCoder> heh applied for that job but didnt get it
[12:28:14] <zeeshan> which job
[12:28:15] <XXCoder> similiar not specific same place
[12:28:20] <XXCoder> wafer making stuff
[12:28:22] <Sync_> Jymmm: wrong
[12:28:24] <zeeshan> ah
[12:29:19] * Tom_itx wants some nilla wafers now..
[12:29:54] <Sync_> the cleanroom we have is pretty good
[12:30:04] <Sync_> but eh, the suits suck ass
[12:30:12] <Sync_> as they are vapor tight
[12:30:30] * Jymmm lol @ Sync_
[12:31:07] <Sync_> it clearly is not 8"
[12:32:20] <Jymmm> Still not as funny as you having to wear a shitty ass bunny/ cleanroom suit =)
[12:32:55] <XXCoder> add rabbit ears heh
[12:33:05] <XXCoder> very clean ones of course
[12:33:06] <Jymmm> and pink booties
[12:33:14] <XXCoder> white tuft
[12:34:04] <Jymmm> But, I guess it's better than having to wear a positive pressure hazmat suit
[12:34:24] <XXCoder> negative pressure hazmat :P
[12:34:28] <Sync_> fuck that Jymmm
[12:34:31] <XXCoder> joking
[12:34:38] <Sync_> the worst thing is when the lens fogs
[12:35:07] <Sync_> or due to #reasons your air bottle valve closes itself
[12:35:09] <Jymmm> use your bunny ears to wipe away the fog =)
[12:35:43] <Jymmm> how the fuck does a ait bottle "close itself" ?
[12:36:02] <XXCoder> clean room suit version of this http://www.choppix.com/gallery/4/701_14_12_11_6_26_52.jpeg
[12:36:05] <zeeshan> when i wore the paint suit
[12:36:07] <zeeshan> i was naked underneath
[12:36:08] <zeeshan> FREEDOM
[12:36:17] <Deejay> o0
[12:36:18] <zeeshan> it gets so hot in the booth
[12:36:19] <zeeshan> :P
[12:36:30] <zeeshan> just imagine yourself in a plastic bag.
[12:36:32] <Sync_> Jymmm: rubbing against stuff
[12:36:34] <zeeshan> in 30C weather
[12:36:57] <Jymmm> Sync_: No protection ring or something?
[12:37:07] <Jymmm> like on propane tanks
[12:37:30] <Sync_> no
[12:37:40] <Jymmm> well, that' fucked
[12:37:53] <Sync_> it actually is a very serious problem with scba
[12:37:55] <Sync_> not really
[12:38:33] <XXCoder> Jymmm: just use jock strap
[12:38:34] <Sync_> it would be something that snags on things
[12:39:59] <Sync_> imagine yourself in a large plastic bag and suddenly you can only exhale
[12:40:03] <Jymmm> Painted propne tank http://www.interiorinstallations.com/images/project_images/darwin_tanks/darwin_tanks_7.jpg
[12:40:38] <XXCoder> Jymmm: looks great till some hunter wants racoons
[12:40:46] <Jymmm> lol
[12:41:08] <Jymmm> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/86/67/7c/86677cf3a776cc6cb871aa7de77d7e5b.jpg
[12:41:47] <zeeshan> wow that looks cool!
[12:42:00] <XXCoder> yeah
[12:42:25] <Tom_itx> mis-labelled
[12:42:41] <Jymmm> https://www.google.com/images?q=painted+propane+tank
[12:43:03] <XXCoder> lego one is awesome
[12:43:15] <XXCoder> melon lol
[12:43:28] <Sync_> I wonder if that's legal
[12:43:34] <Jymmm> haha prozac 1,000,000mg http://c8.alamy.com/comp/AAX4MJ/giant-prozac-pill-painted-propane-tank-in-milan-new-york-AAX4MJ.jpg
[12:43:41] <Sync_> as they will heat up moar
[12:43:57] <XXCoder> lol
[12:44:41] <XXCoder> gold coat it for that nice gold trump look :P
[12:44:53] <XXCoder> later tryinmg to sleep again
[12:45:44] <zeeshan> lol Jymmm
[12:45:44] <zeeshan> nice
[12:46:01] <Jymmm> I've seen this before (washer insert), always thought it was cool looking and wondered it it works http://solidsmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/diy-firepit-house-and-fig-03.jpg
[12:46:57] <Jymmm> ...or is ashes etc blow around
[12:47:00] <Jymmm> too much
[12:49:23] <Jymmm> WOW http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php?127791-1959-AirStream-Overlander
[13:01:37] <zeeshan> i need a wireless e-stop button for my mill
[13:01:42] <zeeshan> :P
[13:01:49] <Tom_itx> bad idea
[13:01:58] <zeeshan> well its better than nothing right?
[13:02:04] <zeeshan> when im welding something else or running the lathe
[13:02:07] <zeeshan> and the mill is doing its thing
[13:02:09] <zeeshan> if i hear a bad noise
[13:02:14] <zeeshan> it'd prolly be quicker to wireless e-stop it
[13:02:17] <zeeshan> than run over and e-stop
[13:02:32] <Tom_itx> you shouldn't be that far from it :)
[13:02:37] <zeeshan> haha im not that far
[13:02:40] <zeeshan> but i think it'd be quicker
[13:03:07] <Tom_itx> by the time you hear _bad_ it's already too late
[13:03:38] <zeeshan> :)
[13:04:32] <Sync_> wire reel on the ceiling and a magnet in the estop ;)
[13:04:36] <Sync_> so you can drag it with you
[13:04:39] <zeeshan> haha
[13:04:40] <zeeshan> thats not a bad idea
[13:05:00] <fenn> a long rope?
[13:09:53] <SpeedEvil> In principle, you could do wireless continue
[13:11:38] <Sync_> hmm
[13:25:00] <zeeshan> i really need a bucket of cool mist
[13:25:06] <zeeshan> this no name brand coolant im using really smokes a lot
[13:25:06] <zeeshan> =/
[13:43:17] <furrywolf> if it's smoking, you're not using enough of it. :P
[13:43:23] <zeeshan> nahh
[13:43:28] <zeeshan> ive used koolmist at tehe school shop
[13:43:33] <zeeshan> its this coolant :P
[13:43:42] <furrywolf> not doing a very good job cooling...
[13:43:45] <zeeshan> koolmist just evaporites
[13:43:47] <zeeshan> evaporates
[13:43:57] <zeeshan> you see steam
[13:44:02] <zeeshan> with this you see both steam and smoke
[13:44:15] <zeeshan> the video is taking forever to upload
[13:44:18] <zeeshan> you'll see in it :P
[13:44:27] <zeeshan> 119 minutes remaining! :P
[13:44:29] <furrywolf> my point is, if it's hot enough to do either, it's not cooling very well. :P
[13:44:39] <zeeshan> ??
[13:44:46] <zeeshan> phase change
[13:44:51] <zeeshan> takes a tremendous amount of energy with it
[13:44:53] <furrywolf> flood coolant++
[13:44:56] <zeeshan> its doing an excellent job.
[13:45:17] <zeeshan> and ive posted a bunch of papers showing flood coolant doesn't work as well
[13:45:21] <zeeshan> in real life situations
[13:45:33] <zeeshan> mql is a no brainer
[13:45:56] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i thought i explained this before? :P
[13:46:13] <zeeshan> flood coolant forms micro vapor pockets which impede heat transfer
[13:46:24] <furrywolf> dunno, the big pump spraying a garden hose worth of coolant at high pressure on my knee mill seems awfully effective... :P
[13:46:27] <zeeshan> it's like putting a blanket around the tool
[13:46:38] <zeeshan> it works, but not as good as mql
[13:46:50] <zeeshan> if you look at modern cooling technologies
[13:46:55] <t12> through spindle!
[13:46:56] <Jymmm> LN FTW =)
[13:47:11] <zeeshan> they use high pressure jets that shoot tiny droplets at high velocity
[13:48:38] <fenn> what if you just shot a tiny stream of coolant instead of droplets
[13:48:45] <zeeshan> wont work
[13:48:49] <zeeshan> as well
[13:48:54] <zeeshan> you gotta break the water into droplets
[13:48:57] <zeeshan> so they can evaporate on contact
[13:49:00] <t12> electrospray it
[13:49:02] <zeeshan> before the next droplet hits
[13:49:25] <zeeshan> the prof who does research with this giggles at flood coolant
[13:49:25] <fenn> piezo inkjet head
[13:49:27] <zeeshan> he puts it like this
[13:49:49] <t12> it prolly depends
[13:49:55] <t12> seems like half of flood coolant is just for chip removal
[13:49:57] <zeeshan> "when you look at flood coolant, you're like holy hell, its havoc in there!"
[13:50:13] <t12> if your cut puts most of the heat in the chip and its removed quickly
[13:50:14] <zeeshan> "it must be working good!"
[13:50:18] <t12> maybe less makes it to the tool
[13:51:11] <zeeshan> usually cooling the chips isn't a big concern
[13:51:15] <furrywolf> dunno, flood coolant seems to keep bits cool enough that you're not smoking the coolant, unlike your system. :P
[13:51:21] <zeeshan> generally if you get rid of all the complex analysis
[13:51:29] <zeeshan> about 20% of the heat goes into the tool, 80 goes into the chip
[13:51:50] <t12> well i mean if your high pressure water is more to dislodge and get chips out rapidly
[13:51:55] <t12> s/water/coolant
[13:51:55] <zeeshan> most of the time you wanna cool the tool, but ive done a case study where the manufacturer's machine was making so many chips
[13:52:06] <t12> and its primary goal isnt to cool the tool
[13:52:08] <zeeshan> the heat was expanding the ways
[13:52:08] <zeeshan> lol
[13:52:29] <PetefromTn_> thanks but I think I will keep my full flood coolant ;)
[13:52:34] <zeeshan> but an air blast does that as well
[13:52:36] <t12> theres also dimensional stability of the part
[13:52:50] <zeeshan> t12: almost none of the heat makes it into the work piece
[13:52:55] <zeeshan> if you're cutting at the correct feed
[13:53:12] <zeeshan> like 5-10%
[13:54:00] <zeeshan> i think a lot of people have a hard time understanding the heat transfer stuff cause it's very complex
[13:54:26] <zeeshan> and it's hard to study it experimentally cause it's so damn dynamic
[13:54:39] <zeeshan> like how do you actually measure the temperature of the chip?? :P
[13:54:44] <t12> theres also just the inertia part
[13:54:46] <zeeshan> or the tool-workpiece interface
[13:54:47] <t12> high speed FLIR?
[13:54:51] <furrywolf> I go by easily measurable results... flood coolant the tool stays cold. you can touch it afterwards. your system the tool is so hot it's smoking the coolant.
[13:54:56] <furrywolf> your system sucks. :P
[13:55:01] <zeeshan> furrywolf:
[13:55:09] <zeeshan> when the video posts
[13:55:16] <zeeshan> you'll see how hard i was cutting the steel
[13:55:20] <zeeshan> w/ the 3 flute
[13:55:20] <furrywolf> that said, I'll probably implement something similar on my shoptask, because I don't want to deal with flood coolant on it. :P
[13:55:25] <zeeshan> i touched the tool right asap the tool stopped
[13:55:34] <zeeshan> so what you're saying really doesn't put down mql
[13:55:47] <zeeshan> and guess what i used 100 ml of coolant doing it :P
[13:55:57] <zeeshan> (mainly cause im gettnig used to the nozzle adjusment still)_
[13:56:02] <furrywolf> my knee mill recycles the coolant. you don't USE any. :P
[13:56:06] <zeeshan> look at mari tool
[13:56:10] <zeeshan> those guys know wtf they're doing
[13:56:18] <zeeshan> they have a mist extraction system on their machines
[13:56:43] <t12> i like the idea of mql for not needing a big flood collection mess
[13:56:47] <furrywolf> but, as I said... I'll probably use something similar to your setup, but with a pump, on my shoptask. flood coolant wouldn't work well on it.
[13:57:12] <zeeshan> im not being biased furrywolf
[13:57:19] <zeeshan> my machine comes with flood coolant
[13:57:22] <zeeshan> i removed it to put mist
[13:57:27] <zeeshan> cause it's better!
[13:57:33] <furrywolf> lol
[13:57:48] <zeeshan> the only time i can see flood coolant being superior, is when youre doing deep boring operations or drilling
[13:57:52] <furrywolf> I've never seen flood coolant smoking. :P
[13:57:53] <zeeshan> (t12's point)
[13:58:13] <zeeshan> furrywolf: cause you're not transfering enough heat into it!
[13:58:17] <zeeshan> ofcourse it's not going to smoke
[13:58:23] <zeeshan> :P
[13:58:25] <t12> i should give it a shot tho
[13:58:29] <t12> i got no real flood capacity on this lathe
[13:58:49] <furrywolf> the heat isn't just magically vanishing, and the tool and workpiece and cool, so it must be going into the coolant.
[13:59:03] <zeeshan> furrywolf: or you didn't have enough heat to begin with :-)
[13:59:26] <zeeshan> rather than arguing with me
[13:59:28] <zeeshan> just read yourself
[13:59:32] <PetefromTn_> honestly I think I would enjoy having BOTH systems on my VMC
[13:59:32] <zeeshan> you won'
[13:59:34] <t12> zeeshan: hows it treat the ways
[13:59:45] <zeeshan> *win
[14:00:04] <zeeshan> t12 these guys were machining 24x24x10 blocks of billet
[14:00:07] <zeeshan> with heavy duty facing
[14:00:18] <zeeshan> .25 doc 5 or 6" diameter cutter
[14:00:34] <zeeshan> they were putting out so much chips onto the bed that the bed was expanding
[14:00:40] <zeeshan> but a couple thou
[14:00:56] <zeeshan> so in this type of case flood coolant is superior
[14:01:04] <zeeshan> with multi nozzles
[14:01:11] <t12> can you actually buy this stuff
[14:01:13] <PetefromTn_> honestly I almost NEVER run the flood when facemilling
[14:01:29] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: you're also not taking those big cuts 24 hours
[14:01:30] <PetefromTn_> makes a HUGE mess everywhere even comes out the top of the enclosures
[14:01:54] <furrywolf> I've decided my knee mill is inherently messy, and to not expect a clean floor around it.
[14:01:56] <furrywolf> it drips oil by design...
[14:02:04] <furrywolf> coolant splatters everywhere...
[14:02:04] <furrywolf> etc
[14:02:56] <zeeshan> buy what stuff?
[14:03:04] <t12> like where can you actually buy it
[14:03:05] <PetefromTn_> having had a couple knee mills, the RF45, and the shoptask all without an enclosure and having run many machined with full coolant/chip enclosures it is REALLY hard to go back LOL
[14:03:07] <t12> besides talking to a sales rep
[14:03:11] <zeeshan> mql stuff?
[14:03:43] <zeeshan> hobbiest seem to use fog buster
[14:03:59] <zeeshan> or koolmist (note this one atomizes the fluid too much and youll breath it in)
[14:04:10] <zeeshan> skf makes mql systems
[14:04:22] <zeeshan> lubrilean
[14:04:48] <furrywolf> I'll probably get the same magnetic thing you got for my shoptask
[14:05:10] <t12> i wonder what the chemistry actually is
[14:05:55] <zeeshan> holy cow
[14:05:58] <zeeshan> they make a thru spindle mql
[14:06:02] <fenn> you don't like breathing a mist of unknown industrial chemicals?
[14:06:14] <t12> more like if its just something simple why buy 50gal of it
[14:06:30] <furrywolf> bbl
[14:06:32] <t12> think the effects come more from the chemistry or the mql part
[14:06:56] <t12> In this work 10% boric
[14:06:56] <t12> acid by weight mixed with base oil SAE 40 was used as
[14:06:57] <t12> MQL in turning process
[14:07:10] <zeeshan> i think the effect comes from the physics
[14:07:11] <Tom_itx> fenn, naw... never know what sort of high to expect
[14:07:12] <zeeshan> not the chmistry
[14:07:23] <zeeshan> because you can take a typical coolant and mql it
[14:07:30] <zeeshan> and you'll see improvement in cooling
[14:08:29] <Tom_itx> koolmist are popular among machine shops iirc
[14:08:30] <zeeshan> from the internets, it seems like people love trico md7 for their mql
[14:08:35] <zeeshan> its not harmful as koolmist
[14:09:07] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, convert one of those vape things to mist
[14:09:13] <furrywolf> actually, not bbling quite yet. thought I heard the person I was waiting for out front, but I was wrong.
[14:09:33] <zeeshan> lol Tom_itx
[14:10:18] <zeeshan> man i wish i took a video of noga minicool before and after the pressure tank mod
[14:10:23] <zeeshan> i dont see a video on youtube about it
[14:10:39] <zeeshan> i need those slo mo guys to come over
[14:10:56] <Tom_itx> i want a flir camera
[14:11:01] * furrywolf still plans on a pump instead of a pressure tank
[14:11:06] <t12> theres some cheap iphone one now
[14:11:08] <t12> but low res
[14:11:09] <furrywolf> I want an ir camera too.
[14:11:26] <zeeshan> for what use?
[14:11:38] <Tom_itx> viewing thru walls
[14:11:46] <zeeshan> :D
[14:11:54] <furrywolf> they don't do that. :P
[14:12:09] <Tom_itx> yeah i figured they wouldn't
[14:12:14] <fenn> depends on the wall
[14:12:28] <fenn> insulation blocks IR
[14:13:49] <zeeshan> hey guys
[14:13:53] <zeeshan> i got this mt2 tool block for my lathe
[14:14:22] <CaptHindsight> you probably want what works though walls, longer than IR to short mm wave
[14:14:27] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/13/!B7zwTy!EWk~$(KGrHqUOKpQEy+jC5kbhBM1WGdpRJw~~0_1.JPG
[14:14:38] <zeeshan> any idea's on how to align it to the center of my spindle?
[14:15:26] <Tom_itx> make a gage block from your tool post to the spindle then use it on that
[14:15:40] <zeeshan> something easier? :P
[14:15:45] <Tom_itx> that is easy
[14:15:54] <zeeshan> i was thinking of mounting an indicator in the lathe
[14:15:56] <Tom_itx> what's the center height from the tool post?
[14:15:57] <zeeshan> lathe chuck
[14:16:04] <zeeshan> and then adjusting the center height of the tool block
[14:16:12] <zeeshan> till i measure consistent runout
[14:19:12] * furrywolf is unfamiliar with how this component is used
[14:19:35] <t12> yeah indicate from spindle mt2 taper
[14:19:35] <Tom_itx> does that hold recess tools? for ID cuts?
[14:19:37] <t12> for concentricity
[14:19:48] <zeeshan> id cuts yes
[14:19:53] <zeeshan> it mounts on the quick change tool post
[14:19:56] <t12> lots of upsidedownbackwards indicator reading
[14:20:01] <zeeshan> t12: haha yea man
[14:20:02] <Tom_itx> yeah
[14:20:07] <zeeshan> i was thinking there would be something a bit more elegant
[14:20:09] <zeeshan> but i guess not :(
[14:20:11] <t12> except X will always be annoying
[14:20:15] <Tom_itx> find the center height and make a tool to align it
[14:20:24] <Tom_itx> you could have been done already....
[14:20:29] <t12> mt2 test bar
[14:20:33] <zeeshan> i was thinking of ghettoing it up a bit.
[14:20:36] <t12> and indicate from spindle to it
[14:20:41] <zeeshan> i put in a regular drill bit, say 1/2"
[14:20:44] <zeeshan> or 1"
[14:20:58] <zeeshan> and try to chuck it into a 3 jaw chuck
[14:21:04] <zeeshan> and try to aim for the mt2 hole :P
[14:21:07] <Tom_itx> you're making it too difficult
[14:21:08] <zeeshan> then indicate
[14:21:23] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: i dont wanna make any tools for it
[14:21:26] <t12> dead center in spindle and eyeball
[14:21:33] <zeeshan> cause im getting rid of this lathe prolly in a month or two
[14:21:34] <Tom_itx> it will be different for each cutter you put in it
[14:21:46] <zeeshan> so i wanna invest as little time on it as possible
[14:21:54] <Tom_itx> you'll want the new owner to be able to center all his tools too
[14:21:59] <zeeshan> fak that
[14:22:01] <zeeshan> that's his prob
[14:22:01] <zeeshan> :P
[14:22:04] <zeeshan> or her
[14:22:23] <Tom_itx> you'll get a better price for it because it showed you cared
[14:22:30] <Tom_itx> ...not
[14:22:30] <zeeshan> im gonna sell it cheap anyway
[14:22:33] <zeeshan> prolly 2k
[14:22:42] <t12> was it really ment to hold something on axis with spindle
[14:22:51] <zeeshan> t12 i thinkso :P
[14:22:56] <t12> it might have just been for mt2 boring bars
[14:23:04] <zeeshan> considering how pos this 12x36 is
[14:23:09] <zeeshan> it'll prolly torque the carriage
[14:23:11] <zeeshan> and break the drill bit
[14:24:13] <t12> lol
[14:24:15] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/mob/5181395975.html so what do you think? real, or chinese counterfeit?
[14:24:16] <t12> i wonder how far i'll get with mine
[14:24:37] <furrywolf> $2k is not cheap.
[14:24:49] <t12> 2k is pretty cheap for a lathe
[14:25:03] <zeeshan> yea i figure it'll sell fast
[14:25:10] <zeeshan> which i need it to do
[14:25:19] <zeeshan> because ill prolly have to get rid of it in 2 weeks
[14:25:21] <furrywolf> that's enough money to buy a decent used car!
[14:25:21] <t12> what are you going to get in its place
[14:25:49] <zeeshan> ive been looking at slant bed lathes with a turret and sub spindle
[14:25:51] <Tom_itx> he's gonna pull a pete and get rid of his lathe
[14:26:18] <zeeshan> i wanted live tooling too
[14:26:23] <zeeshan> but it's too expensive to get that option
[14:26:36] <zeeshan> live tool holders are like couple thousand by themself
[14:26:54] <zeeshan> im sure i can find something under 5k
[14:28:54] <zeeshan> t12 you hated that lathe i went to look at right? :{
[14:29:23] <t12> ?
[14:29:31] <zeeshan> maybe it was someone else
[14:29:36] <zeeshan> the machine that was completely in pieces
[14:29:45] <zeeshan> it had everything a person could want in a lathe :P
[14:29:52] <t12> except assembly
[14:29:53] <t12> hehe
[14:29:59] <zeeshan> hahaha
[14:29:59] <t12> i dont think it was me
[14:29:59] <zeeshan> true!
[14:30:03] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/mississauga-peel-region/daewoo-puma-cnc-lathe/1083699187?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[14:30:05] <zeeshan> i want something like this
[14:30:07] <zeeshan> for a decent price
[14:31:49] <furrywolf> ... please contact for price? fuck that
[14:33:26] <furrywolf> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2XZsylCIAAVGRq.jpg on a completely unrelated lathe note... some of the machines at the auction I went to had that sticker on them. someone had too much fun making it.
[14:33:37] <zeeshan> ROFL
[14:34:00] <zeeshan> getting bitch slapped by in the face must suck
[14:34:03] <zeeshan> *by a rod
[14:35:05] <Tom_itx> who's rod?
[14:35:12] <zeeshan> anyones
[14:35:13] <zeeshan> :P
[14:35:14] <furrywolf> normally warning stickers don't have amputated limbs and spurting blood. lol
[14:35:25] <t12> haas' rod apparentlyu
[14:35:43] <t12> image (c) haas
[14:36:06] <MrSunshine> hahahahaha
[14:40:02] <furrywolf> bbl
[14:55:03] <ganzuul> Is silver steel cheap?
[14:57:23] <SpeedEvil> silver steel does not have lots of silver in it
[14:57:40] <SpeedEvil> It is simply ground tool steel
[14:58:53] <ganzuul> hm hmm hmm
[14:59:46] <ganzuul> I know 17-7 PH is awesome, but I'm unsure if a noob like me should be using expensive stock.
[15:04:54] <ganzuul> I was hoping silver steel is some holdover term, and with the right keyword I'd be able to find unobtainium steel for cheap.
[15:05:07] <SpeedEvil> making what?
[15:05:30] <SpeedEvil> In very, very many applications, steel from 1900 is just fine.
[15:07:12] <ganzuul> Space ships, lasers, time machines... not sure. Making stuff.
[15:07:17] <zeeshan> ?!?
[15:08:08] <SpeedEvil> The first two, sure.
[15:25:04] <Jymmm> Um, how can the wire gauge be the same for both 110 and 220? http://www.cerrowire.com/ampacity-charts
[15:25:23] <Jymmm> I would thenk wattage would be the factor here
[15:25:26] <Jymmm> think*
[15:30:39] <Jymmm> Lovely... they installed a 20A breaker, but used 14ga wire and NO ground
[15:31:09] <Wolf_> nice...
[15:32:01] <Jymmm> I think it be a bitch to try and pull 8/4 thru 1/2" rigid conduit too =(
[15:32:34] <Wolf_> why 4?
[15:32:44] <Jymmm> 220@50A
[15:33:00] <Wolf_> 8/3
[15:33:17] <Wolf_> ground isn’t counted in the name
[15:33:25] <Jymmm> Sorry, I was using non electritrian of "conductors =)
[15:33:42] <Jymmm> 4 conductors, 8ga =)
[15:34:08] <Jymmm> assuming GND has to be 8ga too
[15:34:16] <Wolf_> it doesn’t
[15:34:49] <Jymmm> ah
[15:35:18] <Jymmm> Not sure if I want 220, just know I need more thna 20a 110v
[15:35:34] <Jymmm> like 25A @ 110
[15:35:41] <Jymmm> or two 15A circuits
[15:36:17] <Wolf_> I think my front outlets on my garage are 30A
[15:36:24] <Jymmm> two 20A seemed more practical
[15:36:47] <Jymmm> bbiab
[15:47:45] <Sync_> 220 = best
[15:55:43] <ganzuul> So S-7 steel is HSS, right?
[16:01:22] <ganzuul> Or not. huh
[16:01:42] <ganzuul> My confusion is not diminishing.
[16:02:36] <ganzuul> Also I thought maraging steel was controlled by nuclear proliferation laws, but here it is: http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=12578&step=4&showunits=mm&id=912&top_cat=197
[16:04:00] <XXCoder> jeez lame sleep but in least finally slept a little
[16:04:24] <ganzuul> Too hot bedroom?
[16:06:02] <XXCoder> no, health issues
[16:39:46] <zeeshan> Jymmm: wattage isn't a determining factor for wire size
[16:40:14] <zeeshan> joules law says that heating is a function of current, time, and resistance of wire
[16:49:44] <Deejay> gn8
[17:01:57] <ganzuul> I <3 http://www.onlinemetals.com
[17:02:04] <ganzuul> Their guides are hilarious
[17:02:30] <ganzuul> "Like T-321 stainless, T-347 is comparable to to T-304, with limits on carbide precipitation provided by the addition of Niobium and Tantalum. Yes, Niobium and Tantalum. Who the heck thinks of these things? Then again, we shouldn't be ones to talk. We came up with this crazy idea for a metals service center, then went and built it. Oh, by the way, this material is hardenable by cold work. "
[17:16:55] <zeeshan-mill> lol i gotta make a video of this
[17:16:58] <zeeshan-mill> im raping aluminum right now
[17:17:14] <Wolf_> lol
[17:17:15] <zeeshan-mill> 30 ipm 0.25 doc
[17:17:21] <zeeshan-mill> 3/4 cutter
[17:17:32] <zeeshan-mill> sometimes the width of cut is .75
[17:17:48] <Wolf_> I’m realizing that my machine to too fucking small...
[17:17:48] <zeeshan-mill> i could never do this without coolant
[17:17:58] <zeeshan-mill> the chips just clogged up
[17:19:02] <andypugh> Aye, I found the same thing, flood coolant suddenly meant that the cutter didn’t become a (broken) mass of gooped up aluminium.
[17:19:17] <andypugh> What is VR1? https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tu3BujCh1tOgFI7I9FA7rNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[17:20:24] <Wolf_> looks like a pot
[17:21:39] <andypugh> Isn’t it a bit loopy?
[17:21:52] <os1r1s> zeeshan-mill What size mill are you using?
[17:22:58] <Wolf_> yeah is kinda loopy…
[17:23:10] <andypugh> It makes more sense as a Variac.
[17:23:35] <andypugh> R2 is not loopy, which lends some plausibility it being a Variac.
[17:23:43] <zeeshan-mill> youmean weight?
[17:23:55] <zeeshan-mill> andypugh, yes it works great!!
[17:24:09] <os1r1s> zeeshan-mill: The type of mill. Desktop mill, big knee mil, something else ...
[17:24:19] <zeeshan-mill> mikron wf21c
[17:24:26] <Wolf_> http://www.ibiblio.org/kuphaldt/electricCircuits/Ref/01050.png looks like variac
[17:24:27] <zeeshan-mill> vertical/horizontal mill
[17:24:33] <andypugh> wind mill, water mill, grist mill, woollen mill.
[17:24:34] <zeeshan-mill> its considered a tool room mill
[17:25:17] <andypugh> Wolf_: Ah, yes, it does, doesn’t it? The other symbols I found for a Variac were a bit different.
[17:25:54] <andypugh> It makes a lot more sense for it to be a variac, controlling the speed of a 1/4hp motor with a resistor would be slightly mad.
[17:27:00] <andypugh> It’s amazing how much smaller control gear can be now: http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/holbrook1.html (scroll towards the bottom)
[17:29:45] <Wolf_> beauty of solid state stuff
[17:29:52] <Wolf_> till something pops..
[17:32:01] <zeeshan-mill> andypugh, what have you been upto
[17:32:07] <zeeshan-mill> havent seen you speak in a while
[17:32:36] <andypugh> I spent the last few days riding round in circles.
[17:32:55] <zeeshan-mill> oval track racing? :P
[17:33:02] <zeeshan-mill> i thought only americans did that :P
[17:33:16] <andypugh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadwell_Park
[17:33:33] <andypugh> Well, it’s topologically a circle
[17:36:09] <andypugh> I am not as fast as actual racers, so I only get a bit of a wheely, rather than a full-on jump: https://youtu.be/33r-GQ23s2s?t=25s
[17:36:10] <Tom_itx> andypugh, VR is generally Variable Resistor
[17:36:35] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Hence my confusion.
[17:36:50] <Tom_itx> the way they drew it could indicate wirewound though
[17:37:02] <Tom_itx> instead of the normal /\/\/
[17:37:07] <Tom_itx> resistor
[17:37:53] <Tom_itx> and being on the AC side helps support that hunch
[17:38:24] <renesis> i hate /\/\/\/
[17:38:29] <renesis> all about boxes
[17:38:41] <renesis> zags look too much like inductors in hand drawings
[17:38:45] <Tom_itx> it's the standard resistor symbol
[17:38:56] <renesis> box is standard in europe, shrug
[17:40:00] <andypugh> This is a 1950s diagram, so the resistors are zig-zag and the VR1 is loopy. Being a Variac makes most sense, but VR is an odd abbreiviation.
[17:40:26] <Tom_itx> yeah
[17:40:43] <zeeshan-mill> ill check it from my desktop
[17:40:51] <zeeshan-mill> is it a race track?!
[17:40:59] <renesis> variable resistor is pretty common, shrug
[17:41:01] <XXCoder> finally got office 2010 to install
[17:41:03] <XXCoder> jeez
[17:41:16] <andypugh> zeeshan-mill: Cadwell park is a race track, yes.
[17:41:18] <renesis> maybe better than just using R for a ref des
[17:41:27] <membiblio> Did not VR stant for variable resistor?
[17:41:33] <renesis> omg cadwell, nom
[17:41:44] <renesis> membiblio: yeah, makes sense to me
[17:42:22] <andypugh> VR for variable resistor makes sense. Using a variable resistor there, rather than a Variac, does not make much sense.
[17:42:40] <renesis> andypugh: im always fucking up turn 8 in rfactor =\
[17:42:49] <Tom_itx> VR: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/resistor2.jpg
[17:42:51] <andypugh> I can’t tell by looking at the device, though the moving contact is a carbon roller.
[17:42:56] <Tom_itx> would probably handle the load too
[17:43:44] <andypugh> renesis: Which is turn 8?
[17:44:22] <andypugh> Mansfield? I have messed that up in real life. Cost me a set of leathers.
[17:44:38] <renesis> downhill straight then left (8) before the chicane kink into the uphill right
[17:44:48] <andypugh> Yes, Mansfield.
[17:45:31] <renesis> that shits pretty nuts, also in the sim track there is a weird poly edge that gets your car stuck
[17:45:41] <andypugh> I suspect that the game doesn’t give much feel for just how steep the downhill is into it.
[17:45:53] <renesis> the end before the rights onto the straight is awesome, the twisties
[17:46:11] <renesis> well, you get a feel from the extra accel and what it does to brake points
[17:46:37] <andypugh> Get a bike and you can come and play with us next year :-)
[17:48:59] <renesis> omg danger!
[18:08:24] <Sync_> I looked up what it takes to compete in british street racing, and that's no fun for a foreigner
[19:15:51] <Wolf_> arg.. such noob, still haven’t figured out this cam stuff yet… gcode all has N prefixes on it
[19:19:26] <Tom_itx> those are just line numbers
[19:19:40] <Tom_itx> can be used or ignored
[19:19:51] <Wolf_> linxucnc kicked back a error and wouldnt load it
[19:20:07] <Tom_itx> not because of the N words
[19:20:11] <Tom_itx> i use them
[19:20:58] <Wolf_> could the first line starting with “O1000 (CTRL PANEL1)” be the issue (no “)
[19:21:25] <sector_0> can LinuxCNC run on Raspberry Pi or the BeagleBone Black?
[19:21:30] <Tom_itx> my client doesn't recognize all your characters
[19:21:42] <Tom_itx> sector_0, bbb yes
[19:22:32] <Wolf_> lol, first line has the part name prefixed with a O1000
[19:22:41] <pcw_home> Machinekit (a LinuxCNC fork) runs on BBB
[19:23:32] <Tom_itx> Wolf_, O designates a subroutine
[19:23:41] <pcw_home> Raspberry PI is not a good target for a RTOS ATM AFAIK so can be ruled out
[19:23:45] <Tom_itx> not sure if case matters
[19:24:10] <Wolf_> ok let me get back on the cnc and see what the errors are
[19:26:16] <Wolf_Mill> unknown control command in o word
[19:27:24] <Tom_itx> post the line
[19:27:31] <Tom_itx> and one above and below it
[19:27:53] <Wolf_Mill> %
[19:27:53] <Wolf_Mill> O1000 (CTRL PANEL1)
[19:27:53] <Wolf_Mill> N100 (COMPENSATION-WEAR)
[19:27:53] <Wolf_Mill> N102 (REV-0.70)
[19:28:28] <Tom_itx> remove the () and content and see if that helps
[19:28:38] <Tom_itx> just after the O1000
[19:29:29] <Wolf_Mill> ok, errored out on line 3 now
[19:29:49] <Tom_itx> it may not like O words i forget
[19:30:01] <Tom_itx> one sec
[19:30:37] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/o-code.html
[19:30:46] <Tom_itx> o word designates a subroutine
[19:33:57] <Wolf_Mill> ok deleted the first 5 lines, really dont need them to make it work right
[19:35:28] <Wolf_Mill> now getting a error on line 5841, Negative or zero q value used
[19:35:40] <zeeshan> can you post the whole g code
[19:35:42] <zeeshan> on pastebin?
[19:35:44] <Wolf_Mill> N11772 G98 G83 X-141.375 Y6.6869 Z0. R2. Q0. F300.
[19:36:37] <zeeshan> q can't be negative or non zero
[19:36:41] <zeeshan> youre trying to peck drill
[19:36:52] <zeeshan> without telling it how much it should peck into the part
[19:37:02] <Wolf_Mill> ooo
[19:37:11] <Wolf_Mill> http://pastebin.com/btu6WibG
[19:37:35] <zeeshan> the g00 on line 6
[19:37:37] <zeeshan> is asking for trouble
[19:37:38] <zeeshan> :"P
[19:37:59] <zeeshan> what software output this?
[19:38:11] <Wolf_Mill> solidcam
[19:38:39] <Wolf_Mill> probably setup errors on my part
[19:42:43] <zeeshan> action shots from today
[19:42:45] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/cIbrkrN.jpg
[19:44:26] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRHUCp4D8UU
[19:44:31] <zeeshan> ^ explanation of noga minicool
[19:44:36] <zeeshan> + other things if interested :D
[19:44:54] <Wolf_Mill> now its bitching about G00 G28 G91 X-15.0 Y0.
[19:45:22] <Wolf_Mill> 4 lines from the end, least I'm getting closer to something lol
[19:47:41] <XXCoder> you sure -15.0 X is correct?
[19:48:18] <Wolf_Mill> no idea... i have no idea what i'm doing here
[19:48:25] <XXCoder> oh
[19:48:32] <XXCoder> look into your HAL configure
[19:48:32] <Tom_itx> does the Y0. have any decimals after it?
[19:48:35] <XXCoder> look for limits
[19:48:44] <XXCoder> see if its behind it or not
[19:49:03] <Tom_itx> yeah it could be hitting the limits too
[19:49:32] <Wolf_Mill> error call is Cannot use two g codes that both use axis values
[19:49:57] <Tom_itx> take the G91 out
[19:50:08] <Tom_itx> unless it's not in G91 currently and you need it
[19:50:19] <XXCoder> set g91 in pervious line
[19:50:21] <Tom_itx> yeah
[19:50:35] <XXCoder> add new line before it with g91
[19:50:40] <XXCoder> and nix g91 in that line
[19:50:46] <Tom_itx> the G0 G28 should be ok but i specify my G28 on a separate line
[19:50:56] <Wolf_Mill> line before is N11796 G00 G28 G91 Z0
[19:50:58] <XXCoder> g28: return to reference?
[19:51:01] <Tom_itx> yes
[19:51:02] <zeeshan> yes
[19:51:05] <zeeshan> works well for tool change
[19:51:08] <XXCoder> Wolf_Mill: insert new line
[19:51:19] <XXCoder> oh wait it already had g91
[19:51:20] <XXCoder> weird
[19:51:44] <Tom_itx> G91 is modal and once set doesn't need repeated unless you specify a G90
[19:51:55] <XXCoder> yeah thats what I thought
[19:52:21] <Wolf_Mill> hmm, took the g91 out and its still giving same error
[19:52:30] <Tom_itx> it specifies absolute or incremental distance mode
[19:52:44] <XXCoder> whats error message this time
[19:53:13] <Wolf_Mill> error call is Cannot use two g codes that both use axis values
[19:53:41] <Tom_itx> remove the G0 then
[19:53:45] <Tom_itx> put it a line above it
[19:54:05] <zeeshan> you dont need g0 in there at all
[19:54:06] <Tom_itx> because G0 requires a coordinate and so does G28
[19:54:10] <zeeshan> just do g28 z0
[19:54:13] <Tom_itx> remove G0
[19:54:23] <Tom_itx> G28 will move home
[19:54:32] <Tom_itx> or where you specify it
[19:54:59] <XXCoder> yeah isnt g0 un-needed when already specified before?
[19:55:07] <Tom_itx> yes it's modal
[19:55:14] <Tom_itx> along with G1 G2 G3 etc
[19:55:19] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:55:21] <Wolf_Mill> wtf still same error with only G28 in there
[19:55:34] <Tom_itx> it may not be that line
[19:56:03] <Wolf_Mill> near line 5854...
[19:56:04] <XXCoder> does it state line number or something?
[19:56:13] <XXCoder> ah
[19:56:24] <Tom_itx> so post 3 lines here
[19:56:45] <Wolf_Mill> N11796 G00 G28 G91 Z0
[19:56:45] <Wolf_Mill> N11798 G28 X-15.0 Y0.
[19:56:46] <Tom_itx> 53 54 55
[19:56:46] <Wolf_Mill> N11800 G90
[19:57:05] <Tom_itx> get rid of the G00 in 11796
[19:57:49] <Tom_itx> why the heck is it switching back and forth from G90 G91?
[19:57:55] <zeeshan> lol
[19:57:56] <Tom_itx> pick one and stick with it
[19:58:17] <Tom_itx> i set G90 at the top of my program and leave it there
[19:58:27] <Tom_itx> or at a tool change
[19:58:32] <Wolf_Mill> funny part is I think thats after everything is done
[19:58:40] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:58:48] <XXCoder> its returning spindle to 0,0,0
[19:59:16] <Tom_itx> you MUST specify G28 Z0 by itself or your machine will crash
[19:59:20] <XXCoder> its NEVER good idea to move on all 3 axles at once, so its traditionally Z to 0 first then move other 2.
[19:59:30] <Tom_itx> ie don't do G28 X0 Y0 Z0 all at once
[19:59:32] <XXCoder> and yeah like tom said.
[19:59:36] <zeeshan> unless youre a horizontal mill
[19:59:37] <Tom_itx> put Z first
[19:59:39] <zeeshan> you move Y first
[19:59:40] <zeeshan> then x z
[19:59:41] <zeeshan> :P
[19:59:50] * zeeshan trolls
[19:59:57] * Tom_itx smacks zeeshan
[20:00:00] <XXCoder> zeeshan: not even then. we mere morals cant figure what we are seeing when all 3 at once
[20:00:08] <XXCoder> *move
[20:00:42] <zeeshan> :P
[20:00:44] <zeeshan> okay guys
[20:00:46] <zeeshan> WATCH this video
[20:00:48] <zeeshan> this one is a shorty
[20:00:52] <zeeshan> aluminum rape from today
[20:00:54] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXCIRc1wM7A
[20:00:59] <zeeshan> .25 doc, 3/4 cutter
[20:01:00] <zeeshan> 30ipm
[20:01:16] <zeeshan> 500sfm
[20:01:17] <Wolf_Mill> now why did it make the damn part 144.5"
[20:02:06] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, i watched a Mori Seki do that with a shell mill in steel once
[20:02:17] <Tom_itx> chips were flying off white hot
[20:02:17] <zeeshan> nice tom
[20:02:26] <Wolf_Mill> oh, wait, do I need to set the machine to metric then load the gcode?
[20:02:26] <Tom_itx> sticking to the enclosure paint
[20:02:49] <Tom_itx> might be a good idea if you want metric
[20:03:05] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, looks good though
[20:03:12] <zeeshan> i think im happy with this doc
[20:03:18] <zeeshan> would be nice to feed a bit faster
[20:03:28] <Wolf_Mill> that means doing another stepconf in metic?
[20:03:37] <Tom_itx> yeah, push it until something breaks
[20:04:06] <Tom_itx> Wolf_Mill, set G20 or G21 iirc in your code
[20:04:29] <Wolf_Mill> g21
[20:04:36] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/g-code.html#_g20_g21_units
[20:04:41] <zeeshan> no pushing it till something breaks
[20:05:42] <Wolf_Mill> yeah I have the ref up already
[20:07:19] <XXCoder> Wolf_Mill: always move it in slowly and be sure its set correctly
[20:07:33] <XXCoder> seen people screw up on that, and screwed it up myself before lol
[20:08:17] <Wolf_Mill> yeah going to do a dry run, my z still isnt powered so probably wont be doing much cutting yet lol
[20:08:36] <XXCoder> zeeshan: geez what abuse
[20:08:57] <XXCoder> and amn thats scary close to jaws lol
[20:09:34] <Tom_itx> not at all
[20:09:46] <XXCoder> yeah ran many like that
[20:09:47] <Tom_itx> it's a good .1 or more above
[20:09:51] <XXCoder> just always scary to me lol
[20:10:04] <XXCoder> heck did .001 above jaws before
[20:10:25] <XXCoder> with big 3" facemill even
[20:10:48] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: you hawk
[20:10:53] <zeeshan> its exactly .1 above
[20:10:53] <zeeshan> haha
[20:10:57] <zeeshan> +/- a thou or two
[20:12:04] <Tom_itx> simple to calculate
[20:12:59] <zeeshan> okay its time to make the collets
[20:13:02] <zeeshan> and spherical nut thing
[20:13:15] <zeeshan> i dont think i have a boring bar smaller than 1/2" :(
[20:13:20] <zeeshan> i need to cut that small taper
[20:13:27] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/UqY7Vhg.jpg
[20:13:28] <zeeshan> to remind
[20:14:23] <Tom_itx> would a taper instead of the ball work better?
[20:14:28] <Tom_itx> more surface area
[20:14:57] <zeeshan> i agree
[20:15:01] <XXCoder> assuming around same angle I would guess so
[20:15:03] <zeeshan> but i was worried that it might jam in
[20:15:11] <Tom_itx> the ball might too
[20:15:16] <XXCoder> too far off and it becomes only ring of contact
[20:15:17] <zeeshan> might be easier to deal with
[20:15:20] <Tom_itx> especially if it bulges out at the ball
[20:15:40] <Tom_itx> the ball only has a ring of contact anyway
[20:15:45] <zeeshan> yes
[20:15:51] <zeeshan> helps it dislocate easier
[20:15:55] <zeeshan> but youre right
[20:16:03] <zeeshan> a taper would provide more uniform force
[20:16:05] <zeeshan> if done right
[20:16:12] <XXCoder> zeeshan: ribbed for pleasure taper
[20:16:16] <zeeshan> lol
[20:16:29] <XXCoder> would that be better grip?
[20:16:54] <zeeshan> yea id think so
[20:17:01] <zeeshan> cause you got more surface area of contact
[20:17:08] <zeeshan> so better force distribution
[20:17:39] <XXCoder> hard rubber covering?
[20:17:45] <Tom_itx> how much do you expect it to spread?
[20:17:47] <XXCoder> unno exactly it'd be called
[20:17:54] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: i was gonna experiment with the slits
[20:18:02] <Tom_itx> 6
[20:18:38] <Tom_itx> looks like you did 6 anyway
[20:18:44] <zeeshan> 8
[20:18:51] <Tom_itx> too thin?
[20:19:09] <zeeshan> no idea =/
[20:19:20] <zeeshan> if its too thin it spreads easier
[20:19:34] <zeeshan> but then it definitely needs a taper mandrel
[20:19:36] <zeeshan> to draw it
[20:19:40] <Tom_itx> and bends easier too
[20:19:43] <zeeshan> yes
[20:19:48] <zeeshan> =/
[20:19:59] <Tom_itx> better make a few spares
[20:20:12] <zeeshan> thats not a bad idea
[20:20:18] <zeeshan> might as well make 2 extra
[20:20:34] <zeeshan> i can machine everything but the taper
[20:20:42] <zeeshan> i think im gonna have to grind a custom boring bar
[20:21:01] <XXCoder> use cheap wood as test material
[20:21:24] <XXCoder> grab one of your firewood and shape it same as raw materuakl and run on it
[20:22:39] <zeeshan> he gave me some scrap
[20:22:59] <zeeshan> im gonna put the block of wood it's gripping in a vise
[20:23:09] <zeeshan> and to pull the mandrel out when its tightened
[20:23:18] <zeeshan> if it doesnt pull out
[20:23:21] <zeeshan> we're good to go!
[20:23:38] <zeeshan> intuition says it'll work
[20:23:39] <XXCoder> yeah wood dont offer all that much defection when properly set
[20:23:59] <zeeshan> of it was just a round expanding mandrel i think id have trouble
[20:24:01] <zeeshan> but the ribbed for pleasure
[20:24:08] <zeeshan> is what makes the diff i think
[20:25:28] <Wolf_Mill> hmm, so, load the gcode (now that it will load) how do I get the crap to line up on the table...
[20:25:40] <zeeshan> index your work piece
[20:25:42] <XXCoder> meaning make sure stock is stright?
[20:25:57] <Wolf_Mill> I mean in the software
[20:27:29] <XXCoder> explain a bit more
[20:28:26] <Wolf_Mill> N114 G00 G54 G90 X-131.411 Y-23.1 S1500 M03 its loading it outside the table, notsure why the hell the origin isnt set to 0.0 on the part
[20:30:59] <Tom_itx> Wolf_Mill know what you plan to use as your X0 Y0 Z0 on the part and make that the same as in the model
[20:31:35] <Tom_itx> i generally outline the stock in my model as well to avoid any issues
[20:31:51] <Wolf_Mill> I did, even made sure it was rotated to match the table so overhangs would clear
[20:32:28] <Tom_itx> then index that point on the mill and set your G54 fixture offsets to that point
[20:34:39] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/P3.jpg
[20:34:42] <Wolf_Mill> N114 G00 G54 G90 X-131.411 Y-23.1 S1500 M03 is the offsets right
[20:34:44] <Tom_itx> shows the material and the part
[20:34:52] <Tom_itx> and the X0 Y0 point
[20:35:34] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, I did something smilar, but somewhere I screwed up in the cam stuff and its offset way out
[20:35:54] <Tom_itx> figure it out
[20:37:02] <PetefromTn_> well I managed to get four of the five parts machined today I wanted to...just ran out of time LOL
[20:39:01] <PetefromTn_> scratch that...five of the six ;)
[20:39:16] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, didn't some controls use O word for text ?
[20:39:20] <Tom_itx> or program name
[20:39:34] <Tom_itx> instead of ()
[20:39:52] <PetefromTn_> honestly I only know HAAS, linuxCNC, and one or two other obscure ones hehe
[20:40:12] <PetefromTn_> but most use parentheses for text
[20:40:23] <XXCoder> yeah some machines use o(number) for changing program and load/save so on
[20:40:26] <XXCoder> typically old machine
[20:40:26] <Tom_itx> yes...
[20:40:28] <PetefromTn_> some don't like percent signs ;)
[20:40:56] <Tom_L> O (232_60drill.txt)
[20:41:03] <Tom_itx> i knew i'd seen that done before
[20:41:08] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: pics?
[20:41:13] <Tom_itx> he was getting errors on O words
[20:41:18] <Tom_itx> lcnc doesn't like that
[20:41:18] <PetefromTn_> pics of what?
[20:41:22] <zeeshan> machined parts :P
[20:41:26] <PetefromTn_> naah
[20:41:30] <Tom_itx> no pics no work done..
[20:41:34] <zeeshan> yep :{
[20:41:34] <Tom_itx> prove it
[20:41:35] <PetefromTn_> they are just getting holes drilled in them
[20:41:44] <PetefromTn_> that carbide drill job
[20:41:48] <zeeshan> ah
[20:41:59] <PetefromTn_> incidentally the drills kick ass and that reamer leaves a nice finish
[20:42:10] <Tom_itx> Wolf_, did you see that about O words on other controls?
[20:42:18] <PetefromTn_> I have two different rails to machine after my day job tomorrow I might snap some pics of
[20:42:29] <PetefromTn_> one of them will be completely new model for me
[20:42:41] <PetefromTn_> or at least an alteration of an existing model
[20:42:45] <Tom_itx> pretty soon you'll be working 24/7
[20:42:59] <PetefromTn_> well honestly I don't normally work on Sundays
[20:43:14] <PetefromTn_> but this is for the race shop and I am trying to make a good impression hehe
[20:43:20] <Wolf_> yeah
[20:43:36] <PetefromTn_> it would have made a BETTER impression if I had actually finished the job ;)
[20:43:42] <Wolf_> I’ll have to fumble around the software and figure out the settings
[20:43:56] <XXCoder> weird idea: race mills, first one to complete working kart wins
[20:44:17] <XXCoder> EVERYTHIGN must be made besides customer stuff like spark plugs chair and fuel lol
[20:44:50] <XXCoder> but then speed milling sounds like bad idea
[20:46:23] <PetefromTn_> I was watching a couple videos on that Toxicfab guy yesterday
[20:46:34] <SpeedEvil> http://www.f1-2000.co.uk/index.php?f=ignition_system
[20:46:47] <Tom_itx> Wolf_, i had to mod one of my posts to work with linuxcnc but it works pretty good now
[20:46:55] <PetefromTn_> and I saw one where he was making something similar to what I will be making this week at work
[20:47:18] <PetefromTn_> and I noticed he did not have his famous Tig cups and whatevrer setup on his torch
[20:47:32] <PetefromTn_> he was actually using much the same thing I have been using LOL
[20:48:28] <zeeshan> link to video?
[20:50:05] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nFNklm8jjs
[20:50:15] <brianmorel99> I'm trying to wire a touch off plate, and having trouble. It's a super simple two wire setup ( alligator clip x plate ). I have a 7i76 running 24V field power. When I run the G38.2 and it makes contact (plate 24V+) makes contact with tool (alligator clip contacted to input). The machine / boards short out.
[20:50:43] <PetefromTn_> I laughed at how his ceramic says "GET SOME!" LOL
[20:51:10] <Tom_itx> brianmorel99, you don't want to use 24v field power on that
[20:51:17] <Tom_itx> you want 5v logic
[20:51:22] <zeeshan> why
[20:51:23] <brianmorel99> I tried inserting a few resistors I had on hand between the 24V+ and the touch off plate, but then it wouldn't register.
[20:51:26] <zeeshan> 5v noise!
[20:51:54] <zeeshan> brianmorel99: basically you have a switch
[20:52:00] <zeeshan> just wire like like any limit switch
[20:52:19] <andypugh> brianmorel99: I think that your setup is shorting 23V power to machine GND?
[20:52:29] <Tom_itx> sounds like it
[20:52:33] <brianmorel99> andypugh: yes, that what it feels like
[20:53:44] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[20:53:45] <zeeshan> that hand movement
[20:53:47] <zeeshan> can you pick it up?
[20:53:55] <zeeshan> its almost like hes hopping :P
[20:53:59] <zeeshan> he's got a rhythm going
[20:54:15] <PetefromTn_> I have been watching him and others videos to get a feel for how they are doing it
[20:54:30] <brianmorel99> I'm connecting the plate directly to 24+ , should I get it from somewhere on the 7i76, or isolate it somehow ?
[20:54:50] <PetefromTn_> I noticed he sort of lifts the whole filler rod and sorta taps it into the puddle sorta like someone hitting a drum with a drumstick.... only less movement
[20:55:06] <andypugh> brianmorel99: I think you need to connect the plate to your input pin. Then contact with machine GND will pull it low.
[20:55:41] <andypugh> If it is low all the time, then the input pin might need a 1k pull-up to 24V
[20:57:18] <PetefromTn_> also notice how he makes that last dab and then small circles to come off the pedal
[20:57:23] <andypugh> brianmorel99: It sounds like you have the machine GND tied to the field wiring GND. Which isn’t ideal but is often hard to avoid.
[20:58:40] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4gC-L8ELso
[20:59:04] <zeeshan> i like the 6 argon bottles sitting there
[20:59:08] <zeeshan> looks like he goes through alot of gas :P
[20:59:22] <PetefromTn_> I know right.... crazy
[20:59:23] <zeeshan> he's almost at the point where he should build a room that is completely argon
[20:59:32] <zeeshan> and have a compressor blow air into his mask
[20:59:37] <PetefromTn_> guys a master for sure
[20:59:42] <zeeshan> he looks yound
[20:59:43] <zeeshan> young
[20:59:45] <zeeshan> like 28?
[21:00:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah much younger than I am LOL
[21:00:10] <PetefromTn_> but he was probably born with that torch in his hand ;)
[21:00:13] <brianmorel99> andypugh: I don't have anything specifically grounding the machine to a shared ground, but I do have all my grounds connected ( 5V signal, 24V, 110VAC) tied together in the control cabinet.
[21:01:00] <brianmorel99> I don't have any resistors between 560 and 2.2k. I'll pick up some more tomorrow and wire the input so it's pulled high and the plate takes it low. Thanks!!
[21:01:21] <PetefromTn_> I like how he crams tinfoil into the tubing to seal up for back purge.. easier than the aluminum tape I have been using.
[21:01:24] <andypugh> 2.2k will be fine, I reckon
[21:01:33] <zeeshan> i use steel wool
[21:01:40] <zeeshan> no tape!
[21:01:47] <zeeshan> unless youre using masking tape
[21:01:50] <zeeshan> i hate the residue
[21:02:34] <pcw_home> yeah for a probe you need a fairly stiff pullup to 24V (2.2K is fine)
[21:02:35] <PetefromTn_> I use that aluminum AC tape but you are right it does leave residue..
[21:02:52] <PetefromTn_> that is what the other guy they fired used so I had some here I took over there..
[21:04:18] <XXCoder> use space tape lol
[21:04:19] <Valen> cnc grinder for the americans, currently $30 http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucitsrh/?sl=71QSCI15420020
[21:04:32] <XXCoder> fictional tape from certain book, it cost them 100k per roll
[21:05:33] <XXCoder> cheap indeed even with my own transport
[21:06:46] <XXCoder> they have pretty darn small vertical mill
[21:06:49] <XXCoder> 232 bucks
[21:06:57] <zeeshan> andypugh: can you give me one of your tiny boring bars (
[21:06:58] <zeeshan> =[
[21:07:28] <SpeedEvil> It would be nice if there was something readily available and machinable that was lots more rigid than steel
[21:07:49] <andypugh> zeeshan: Do you have a holder?
[21:07:54] <XXCoder> there is, but expensive
[21:07:59] <zeeshan> prolly shove it in a qctp holder
[21:08:09] <XXCoder> tungein alloys for one
[21:08:10] <zeeshan> i have no clue how im gonna make this taper
[21:08:15] <zeeshan> i have a 5 degree end mill
[21:08:19] <zeeshan> but i dont wanna setup each part on the mill..
[21:08:23] <XXCoder> zeeshan: got a lathe?
[21:08:31] <andypugh> zeeshan: Not so easy, they have a funny egg-shaped end
[21:08:33] <zeeshan> yes but not small enough boring bar
[21:08:33] <XXCoder> you could make custom tool for taper
[21:08:39] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: yeah - I wouldn't call it readily machinable though
[21:08:58] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: true, tungesin is really hard
[21:09:25] <SpeedEvil> I have some w wire.
[21:10:05] <XXCoder> http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucalsrh/?sl=71QSCI15420018
[21:10:08] <XXCoder> real small.
[21:10:52] <andypugh> zeeshan: These _are_ small http://www.ebay.com/itm/121699302681
[21:10:55] <SpeedEvil> pocket-sized.
[21:10:59] <zeeshan> haha cute
[21:11:13] <zeeshan> i need something that'll fit fit in a .39" hole
[21:11:23] <zeeshan> and can bore 1.75" deep
[21:11:43] <XXCoder> zeeshan: I saw instructions on how to make a reamer
[21:11:48] <XXCoder> surpising strightforward
[21:11:51] <zeeshan> HEY
[21:11:53] <zeeshan> i have tapered reamers!
[21:12:10] <zeeshan> but that'll abuse em i think
[21:12:17] <zeeshan> theyre only meant to remove 1/64"
[21:12:17] <XXCoder> use drill to remove as much first
[21:12:42] <XXCoder> or maybe thin ball em
[21:12:51] <XXCoder> rough cut it then use tapered reamer
[21:12:53] <andypugh> zeeshan: A normal boring bar with a 6mm insert will do that
[21:13:15] <zeeshan> http://www.shars.com/3-4-indexable-boring-bar-set
[21:13:16] <zeeshan> this is what i got
[21:13:24] <zeeshan> the smaller one is 7/16
[21:13:57] <XXCoder> maybe very slowly take it in so it dont take more than 1/64"
[21:14:00] <XXCoder> but then slow!
[21:16:05] <andypugh> zeees
[21:16:35] <zeeshan> hi
[21:16:46] <andypugh> zeeshan: Oops. Anyway. I am happy enough to send you a boring insert, but you would need a holder. it might be more practical to get something like http://www.ebay.com/itm/121737775993
[21:17:12] <zeeshan> that would be nicue
[21:17:31] <XXCoder> or just grab a rod, slice it in angle and spoon shape it
[21:17:38] <XXCoder> spoon drill lol
[21:17:44] <XXCoder> one of oldest drills
[21:17:45] <zeeshan> http://cuttingtoolpickers.com/index.php?cID=87&pID=12894
[21:17:49] <zeeshan> apparently this is a boring tool?
[21:17:52] <zeeshan> i have something like this..
[21:18:01] <Wolf_> wonder where I got mine from, its a 3/8” head boring bar
[21:18:07] <zeeshan> okay this might sound dumb
[21:18:13] <zeeshan> but can i put a end mill in a qctp holder?
[21:18:16] <andypugh> You can grind something from HSS, of course.
[21:18:16] <zeeshan> and bore with it?
[21:18:25] <zeeshan> andypugh: trying to use standard geometry
[21:18:27] <zeeshan> so i can cam it
[21:18:35] <zeeshan> cause i got a few of them
[21:18:57] <zeeshan> the qctp holders have a v-groove in them
[21:19:02] <zeeshan> so you can pretty rigidly hold round things
[21:20:34] <andypugh> This one has a round shank. http://www.ebay.com/itm/281722635710
[21:20:57] <zeeshan> have you tried boring with an end mill? :P
[21:21:11] <andypugh> Yes, of course, i have tried every bodge.
[21:21:15] <zeeshan> haha
[21:21:16] <zeeshan> does it work?
[21:21:21] <andypugh> Yes
[21:21:46] <Wolf_> I’ve done that as well, end mill as a boring tool
[21:21:49] <andypugh> If you read the mailing list it is Gene’s favoured way to bore small holes. (because he hadn’t seen the Horn tools)
[21:22:49] <XXCoder> im sure em is fine as long as you dont rush it down
[21:23:12] <andypugh> Goodnight all
[21:23:21] <zeeshan> gnite
[21:23:22] <brianmorel99> andypugh: worked like a charm, thanks. Probably need a little debounce for the g38.4, but it's running
[21:23:45] <XXCoder> debounce heh havent heard that since that fun class
[21:27:44] <Tom_itx> brianmorel99, maybe you can scope it to see how much you actually need
[21:27:52] <Tom_itx> halscope
[21:37:45] <brianmorel99> Tom_itx: I will tomorrow, but the alarm is going to be going off soon, so I guess it's time for bed.
[21:37:47] <brianmorel99> Night
[22:58:57] <XXCoder> pretty cool. http://makezine.com/2015/08/28/watch-benchtop-gyroscope-build/
[23:25:36] <Wolf_Mill> great, now what, I really need to learn how to get the gcode generated so linuxcnc can read it...
[23:27:14] <Wolf_Mill> I mean in the softwarea bunch of codes
[23:27:35] <Wolf_Mill> P word whit no G... or M.. ? lists off a bunch of codes
[23:36:14] <Wolf_Mill> ...
[23:42:11] <Wolf_Mill> why the hell did the cam add a P to a G83 command...