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[00:10:21] <zeeshan> zeeshan's tip of the night -- go buy yourself worx hand cleaner:
http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Powdered-Hand-Soap-Bottle/dp/B00ANU35DG -- this is the best hand cleaner i've come across. non toxic, env. friendly, and works REALLY well
[00:13:10] <XXCoder> looking
[00:13:20] <XXCoder> bit expensive but cool
[00:13:23] <zeeshan> yes
[00:13:34] <zeeshan> but it has more than what you'd find in a regular hand cleaner
[00:13:36] <zeeshan> cause its powder
[00:13:44] <zeeshan> you wet your hands, and sprinkle the powder on your hand
[00:13:51] <zeeshan> like 1 tsp
[00:13:55] <zeeshan> lasts forever
[00:14:01] <XXCoder> sand type. some can be quite powerful
[00:14:13] <zeeshan> it becomes a cream when you mix it with water
[00:14:16] <zeeshan> it smells so good too
[00:14:23] <zeeshan> no petroleum products or pumice in it
[00:14:31] <zeeshan> took a while to find it
[00:14:35] <XXCoder> dont care much about smell. strong smell?
[00:14:42] <zeeshan> smells like berries to me
[00:14:43] <zeeshan> :P
[00:15:00] <renesis> heh, its elementary school soap
[00:15:14] <renesis> the shop at school has it, works decent
[00:15:17] <zeeshan> XXCoder: i did the ultimate test
[00:15:21] <zeeshan> i put oil all over my hands
[00:15:25] <renesis> http://www.amazon.com/GOJO-Natural-Orange-Gallon-Pumice/dp/B004SIQ0X6
[00:15:25] <zeeshan> then grabbed some grease
[00:15:35] <zeeshan> gojo is terrible
[00:15:35] <XXCoder> zeeshan: is smell so strong people melt like that german guy in movie? lol
[00:15:45] <renesis> i get this stuff for work, or fast orange, or the equiv from harbor freight
[00:15:47] <zeeshan> so yea completely blacked out hands with greease and oil
[00:15:54] <zeeshan> renesis: those are nasty
[00:15:59] <renesis> they work
[00:16:08] <zeeshan> and they have petroleum products in them
[00:16:14] <renesis> shrug
[00:16:21] <renesis> so does the oil youre trying to get off
[00:16:29] <XXCoder> zeeshan: this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3ythpzsu18
[00:16:33] <zeeshan> i know
[00:16:41] <zeeshan> read my full tip
[00:16:44] <zeeshan> if you don't like it, move on
[00:16:45] <zeeshan> :P
[00:16:50] <zeeshan> don't sit here and argue with me
[00:17:13] <zeeshan> serious 3d gfx
[00:17:22] <XXCoder> hardly
[00:17:29] <XXCoder> they didnt use cgi
[00:17:49] <XXCoder> guy looked like wax melting because it was wax melting lol
[00:18:20] <renesis> haha ya
[00:20:00] <zeeshan> lol
[00:44:30] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ4MwYyo8XI
[00:44:32] <XXCoder> man
[00:44:50] <XXCoder> that looks fun but too bad that game (and comic it was based on) is gone
[00:46:51] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaPh-8SonKk the first demo videp
[00:46:53] <XXCoder> 8 years ago now
[00:47:28] <XXCoder> otgher video I linked to is 5 years old
[00:47:35] <XXCoder> so you can see much improved effects
[02:26:02] <Deejay> moin
[02:27:20] <XXCoder> yo
[02:28:42] <Deejay> hi XXCoder
[02:29:01] <XXCoder> whats up
[03:25:02] <Guest54707> hi
[03:25:22] <Guest54707> Afghani here
[03:31:31] <XXCoder> just do /nick afghani or somethin
[03:34:20] <afghani-scoUnix> hi
[03:34:27] <afghani-scoUnix> thanks
[03:34:55] <XXCoder> np
[03:37:03] <afghani-scoUnix> do you know which cnc software support close loop servo
[03:37:14] <afghani-scoUnix> with encoder feedback
[03:37:25] <afghani-scoUnix> duable pulse
[03:37:27] <XXCoder> unfortuntaly no
[03:37:32] <XXCoder> im still linuxcnc newbie too
[03:37:52] <afghani-scoUnix> where you from ?
[03:38:10] <XXCoder> northwest of us
[03:38:12] <XXCoder> usa
[03:40:44] <archivist> what is this double puls?
[03:41:12] <archivist> linuxcnc can drive normal servos with encoder feedback
[03:41:45] <archivist> it can also drive step dir servo amplifiers
[03:43:12] <afghani-scoUnix> but not support encoder
[03:43:30] <afghani-scoUnix> if it do not support encoder then can not make precision meachine
[03:43:38] <afghani-scoUnix> or production level machine
[03:43:48] <archivist> it can and does support encoders
[03:44:21] <XXCoder> and you dont need encoders to be precise, what with steppers and all. unless you mean really high resolution like 0.00001
[03:45:03] <archivist> do not confuse resolution with accuracy :)
[03:45:28] <XXCoder> archivist: yeah
[03:45:57] <XXCoder> though you need it to have accuracy. you has no chance of even 0.01" if resolution is 1 inch lol
[03:47:08] <archivist> you can have 1 inch to .0001 if your accuracy is that your resolution could be 1 inch too
[03:47:53] <afghani-scoUnix> why we need encoder if it is not nessesary for precision
[03:48:11] <archivist> you can state my accuracy is +- 1" and use 2" resolution
[03:48:27] <XXCoder> servo has no positioning information
[03:48:43] <afghani-scoUnix> i also hear about hibird steper
[03:49:01] <XXCoder> while steppers has 300 positions (assiming cheaper 1.8 degree)
[03:49:03] <afghani-scoUnix> 1" + - you ask accuracy
[03:49:09] <afghani-scoUnix> ?
[03:49:10] <archivist> steppers are open loop generally
[03:49:28] <afghani-scoUnix> but now they use encoder so step missing will resolve
[03:49:41] <archivist> you can make accurate steppers systems
[03:49:45] <XXCoder> indeed
[03:50:10] <XXCoder> if it missed a step machine wont know, but chances isnt high if properly setup and configured.
[03:50:15] <afghani-scoUnix> 0.0001 + - 0.0005 i mean
[03:50:36] <archivist> you can use encoder feedback on a stepper to detect faults
[03:50:40] <afghani-scoUnix> for wood working i think your accuracy is oky but mattel working its not enough
[03:50:54] <afghani-scoUnix> you make a car part and it will fix in tracktor
[03:50:58] <archivist> .001 is good enough for many
[03:51:08] <XXCoder> archivist: yup but I wont bother with my router. I only need say 0.001"
[03:52:08] <afghani-scoUnix> for fun its enough
[03:52:26] <afghani-scoUnix> you can enjoy your meachine production
[03:52:29] <XXCoder> actually many of airplane parts I make has 0.03" tol
[03:52:49] <XXCoder> and then theres parts with 0.0005" tol ouch lol
[03:53:02] <afghani-scoUnix> but i want a meachine that can achine 0.0005
[03:53:22] <XXCoder> you can do it, even with steppers
[03:53:34] <XXCoder> best is servo with encoders
[03:53:45] <archivist> your main source of error will be the drive screw at that level
[03:54:03] <XXCoder> backlash if not properly done too
[03:54:09] <afghani-scoUnix> what screw you use in your meachien ?
[03:54:13] <archivist> C6 grade will not be good enough
[03:54:35] <afghani-scoUnix> lookin for C3
[03:54:38] <afghani-scoUnix> taiwan make
[03:54:45] <XXCoder> archivist: can work around it though, like programming so it never changes direction on x or y
[03:55:03] <XXCoder> so backlash dont come into it. limits possible parts though.
[03:55:19] <archivist> nope C6 includes a scale error
[03:55:53] <archivist> although you can compensate screw error in linuxcnc
[03:55:59] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:56:06] <XXCoder> it hgas backlash adjustment
[03:56:24] <XXCoder> my machine has anti-backlash couplers but no idea how well it will work,.
[03:56:30] <archivist> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Screw_Compensation
[03:57:27] <XXCoder> so its for screw thats say should be 6 rotations per certain distance but actually 6.01
[03:57:40] <archivist> yes
[03:59:16] <afghani-scoUnix> my basic question is remain there
[03:59:26] <afghani-scoUnix> linuxCNC support encoder ?
[03:59:33] <archivist> yes
[03:59:36] <XXCoder> archivist already said yes afghani-scoUnix
[03:59:51] <XXCoder> I said yes too, so thats hmm 4 times total I guess
[03:59:51] <afghani-scoUnix> can you please advice any tech document
[04:00:22] <afghani-scoUnix> do Mach 3 supported ?
[04:00:53] <XXCoder> linuxcnc is same type of software as mach3, why would you need mach3
[04:01:11] <archivist> mach3 cannot do realtime and therefore proper encoder support
[04:01:33] <archivist> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EMC2_Supported_Hardware
[08:03:16] <Wolf_Mill> morning
[08:15:58] <JT-Shop> it's a fine day to go on a charity ride
[08:16:21] <Wolf_Mill> cool
[08:16:32] <Wolf_Mill> I somewhat hate MC runs...
[08:17:00] <Wolf_Mill> they usually have them on weekend morning s when I want to sleep in :D
[08:25:07] <Wolf_Mill> I wonder if it might be worth it to get a er-32 collet setup for both my mini lathe and mill...
[08:40:15] <JT-Shop> er collets are nice
[08:40:34] <JT-Shop> this one doesn't start till 10am and I'm up by 5 or so every moring
[08:40:37] <JT-Shop> morning
[08:40:46] <Wolf_Mill> :)
[08:41:43] <Wolf_Mill> well, I was thinking of getting mt2 metric set for my mini mill, but I noticed that they make a er-32 collet holder that mounts on the lathe chuck plate
[08:45:32] <Wolf_Mill> something like this set maybe
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MT2-ER32-Chuck-18-PCs-ER32-Collets-Spanner-H-new-/331500386151?hash=item4d2ef67767
[08:54:04] <Wolf_Mill> seems like a better investment, least what machines I have it wont matter, just get the holder for that machine
[08:55:23] <Wolf_Mill> would make turning the ball screw ends so much easier I bet
[09:00:42] <archivist> I have one set of collets shared among various holders
[09:01:13] <archivist> plus I also have more taper collets for better grip
[09:01:25] <archivist> morse
[09:02:01] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, looking like a attractive idea, really wouldnt need a metric set if I got something like
http://www.ebay.com/itm/22pcs-set-ER32-COLLETS-Complete-Sizes-including-all-16th-32nds-New-/310636579530?hash=item4853620aca right?
[09:02:54] <Wolf_Mill> can get away with slight undersided material in the collets right?
[09:06:14] <archivist> ER collets have a range
[09:06:34] <archivist> morse collets dont really
[09:07:28] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, I havent messed with collets too much, just a small 7 peice set for the mt2 on the x1 mill
[09:08:58] <archivist> in general the cheap morse are usually more accurate than cheap ER
[09:10:26] <Wolf_Mill> well, more so looking at the er-32 for the lathe, no drawbar then
[09:12:15] <archivist> best to use a draw bar with morse ER holders
[09:13:26] <Wolf_Mill> that makes it really hard to put a ball screw through the headstock
[09:16:12] <archivist> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Collets/ER-Lathe-Collet-Chucks
[09:16:48] <archivist> I use one of those on the lathe for through the spindle/long stuff
[09:17:09] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, thats what I was looking at for my C2 lathe
[09:17:21] <Wolf_Mill> similar item anyways
[09:17:48] <archivist> it you can get one threaded for the nose, even better
[09:18:10] <Wolf_Mill> C2 dont have a threaded nose
[09:18:32] <archivist> whatever fitting :)
[09:19:06] <Wolf_Mill> http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=2532&category=1 like this but off of ebay for less $$
[09:20:42] <archivist> that is the same as I pointed at :)
[09:20:48] <Wolf_Mill> yup ;)
[09:21:26] <Wolf_Mill> then all I need is a mt2 holder for the x1 mill
[09:23:23] <Wolf_Mill> and to pick a set of er32s on ebay.. so many listingss lol
[09:25:01] <archivist> I have just spent ages going through dc-dc converter listings on fleabay, hard work
[09:25:59] <Wolf_Mill> ever heard of BACO engineering collets?
[09:26:29] <Wolf_Mill> not sure about some of these, dont even have runouts listed
[09:26:59] <archivist> runout is a free feature with all cheap collets
[09:27:27] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, $100 for 22 er32's is a bit too cheap right? lol
[09:35:34] <archivist> if worried about runout use the 4 jaw
[09:36:03] <Wolf_Mill> yeah or if there is too much run out
[09:36:23] <zeeshan> wow
[09:36:27] <archivist> if you look at the ER design there is a lot of overhang
[09:36:28] <zeeshan> thats a good link archivist -- the one with the collet chucks
[09:36:51] <archivist> zeeshan, my "local" supplier
[09:37:01] <zeeshan> i wonder if theres 5c ones
[09:37:04] <zeeshan> that i can find that cheap?
[09:37:08] <archivist> about 25-30 miles
[09:37:11] <Wolf_Mill> I was looking at a mt2 + er32 collets from
http://www.allesguteusa.com/ecommerce/collet/er-sets/er-32-sets-18-pieces.asp
[09:40:42] <archivist> I bet those that do quote runout do it so close to the collet to be meaningless
[09:41:15] <Wolf_Mill> haha
[09:42:09] <archivist> I did mount two back to back on a bit of 10mm ground HSS
[09:42:53] <fenn> i'm thinking about doing the straight shank ER collet holder as a spindle trick, but with a 1" diameter shank and ER20 collets
[09:43:15] <fenn> and 1" roller bearings for trailer hubs
[09:43:30] <fenn> not sure what max rpm on those is though
[09:44:18] <fenn> or 20mm
[09:44:21] <fenn> or 3/4
[09:44:53] <fenn> seems the metric shank collet holders are cheaper
[09:52:12] <fenn> 12000 rpm ought to be enough
[09:52:49] <fenn> 8700 with grease
[09:52:52] <Wolf_Mill> heh, I dunno about trailer hub bearings at that speed
[09:53:02] <blib> anyone owns a nomad 883 here? or the othermill?
[09:53:18] <fenn> blib: here's nickel kid, get yerself a real machine
[09:53:59] <blib> fenn: is there a compact real machine that I can keep in my studio apartment? :)
[09:54:25] <fenn> there are plenty of machines you can run in an apartment
[09:54:47] <Wolf_Mill> get a big machine, add wood to the table so you can double it as a desk :P
[09:55:36] <fenn> these kickstarter machines are just poorly designed and skimp on materials because the users don't know any better and will never actually use the machine once they've bought it
[09:56:51] <blib> fenn: is there a compact machine that you can recommend?
[09:56:54] <Wolf_Mill> lol, wtf is that thing, I just googled it, looks like a reprap with a spindle
[09:57:25] <Wolf_Mill> seig x3 or clone imo
[09:57:45] <Wolf_Mill> at least its almost build like a real mill
[09:58:15] <zeeshan> MIL-TFP4!
[09:58:19] <blib> Wolf_Mill: does seig x3 talk linux?
[09:58:34] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, once you convert it
[09:58:44] <zeeshan> MIL-TFP41!
[09:58:45] <zeeshan> doh
[09:58:47] <fenn> yes i have used a sieg x3 and it's a decent machine, but probably bigger and heavier than you want
[09:59:02] <blib> zeeshan: link please?
[09:59:09] <zeeshan> link to what
[09:59:33] <blib> fenn: With the toy machines, I can give them a cad part and cut it (gcode?)- can I do that with seig x3? how?
[09:59:46] <fenn> you have to put motors on it
[09:59:46] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/XgBhOjG.jpg
[09:59:48] <blib> zeeshan: thought you were suggesting something
[09:59:56] <zeeshan> no
[09:59:59] <Wolf_Mill> thats a x1 converted
[10:00:04] <blib> ah I see
[10:00:08] <blib> so steppers move the base
[10:00:22] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, I havent finished it yet
[10:00:30] <blib> Wolf_Mill: no one sells this pre made? :)
[10:00:32] <fenn> notice the solid heavy pieces of metal
[10:00:33] <Wolf_Mill> need to add the x
[10:00:51] <fenn> there are pre-converted machines but they are way more expensive than doing it yourself
[10:01:34] <Wolf_Mill> this is close to a x3converted I think
http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=3501&category=1241045623
[10:02:14] <blib> fenn: so 2k becomes 5k for pre-converted?
[10:02:15] <fenn> i think MAXNC desktop mills come with motors etc
[10:02:46] <blib> Wolf_Mill: yours is a 2-axis machine?
[10:02:51] <blib> X and WHY?
[10:02:54] <Wolf_Mill> 3axis
[10:03:05] <blib> oh the spindle moves in z, so 3-axis?
[10:03:16] <fenn> http://www.maxnc.net/category_s/1817.htm $3k
[10:03:23] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, x/y table, z spindle
[10:03:46] <Wolf_Mill> but the x1 is light and floppy so I need to do a bunch of work to convert the Z
[10:03:53] <fenn> the maxnc is kinda wimpy for cutting metal but it's a lot better than those things made from cutting boards and metal rods
[10:03:55] <blib> Wolf_Mill:
http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=3501&category=1241045623 - claims 4-axis, does it rotate?
[10:04:21] <Wolf_Mill> thats a 4th axis, I can add that with another driver and stepper if I want to mine
[10:04:36] <blib> what's the 4th axis in this case? what does it do?
[10:05:01] <Wolf_Mill> turns the work
[10:06:00] <blib> so I could take a cylinder and drill a hex hole inside it from both sides (that are not connected)?
[10:06:13] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/oRQ1RQe.jpg here is one doing its thing in manaual usage
[10:07:20] <fenn> blib: you don't need a 4th axis for that, just a vise
[10:07:44] <fenn> that littlemachineshop cnc mill is cute
[10:07:51] <fenn> why doesn't it have a name
[10:08:12] <Wolf_Mill> blib:
https://youtu.be/oYdJZdeMTzE?t=5m20s
[10:08:29] <Wolf_Mill> 4 axis milling
[10:08:47] <blib> http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4263&category=1241045623 - isn't this cheaper than the tormach site itself?
[10:09:29] <fenn> i wonder why nobody makes a small bridge mill, they're so much more rigid for a given mass
[10:12:05] <fenn> "request a quote" bah
[10:13:50] <zeeshan> https://instagram.com/p/6zw8rfG_J_/
[10:13:51] <zeeshan> rofl
[10:14:07] <fenn> they sure don't make em like this anymore:
http://www.lathes.co.uk/cataract%20miller/img13.jpg
[10:28:05] <zeeshan> im going to do some heavy milling for my machine today
[10:28:07] <zeeshan> should be fun
[10:28:15] <zeeshan> .26 doc .26 width of cut
[10:28:18] <zeeshan> cold rolled
[10:28:36] <zeeshan> mister will be in action too i think
[10:28:48] <Wolf_Mill> :)
[10:29:05] <zeeshan> ive never done it before :P
[10:29:08] <zeeshan> but i think itll handle it
[10:32:22] <Wolf_Mill> meh screw it, taking a gamble on them er32 collets
[10:32:32] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: er32 collets are nice
[10:32:46] <zeeshan> as long as you've got a drawbar for them
[10:33:04] <Wolf_Mill> getting the collet chuck for the mini lathe
[10:33:39] <Wolf_Mill> and a mt2 holder for the mini mill
[10:33:56] <Wolf_Mill> and 22 chinese collets...
[10:34:07] <fenn> drawbar for ER collets? huh?
[10:34:13] <zeeshan> if youre gonna purchase chinese collets
[10:34:18] <zeeshan> make sure you get em from somewhere decent
[10:34:34] <zeeshan> fenn: drawbar for the mt2
[10:34:45] <fenn> oh ok
[10:35:16] <fenn> that faceplate thing archivist linked looked a lot sturdier than a MT2 shank
[10:35:32] <Wolf_Mill> cant bolt that to a mill
[10:35:52] <Wolf_Mill> thats a chuck plate for a lathe
[10:35:58] <fenn> you might be able to weld something like that and then face it on the lathe by holding a test bar in the collet while machining the back side of the mount plate
[10:36:41] <Wolf_Mill> http://www.ebay.com/itm/160632780638
[10:37:12] <fenn> yeah chop that silly MT2 taper off and weld it to a chuck backing plate
[10:37:23] <zeeshan> lol
[10:37:27] <zeeshan> that looks abnormal to me
[10:37:32] <zeeshan> but i think itll work
[10:37:40] <Wolf_Mill> http://www.ebay.com/itm/351397443516
[10:37:57] <fenn> or buy that..
[10:38:10] <Wolf_Mill> both of those are sitting in my cart right now lol
[10:38:28] <furrywolf> I decided to go with ER20 on my shoptask, and use MT3 collets for anything larger. ER20 gets me up to 1/2", which isn't too bad. The larger collet chucks were large enough diameter that I was worried they'd be annoying by hitting things when I have little short endmills in them.
[10:38:49] <zeeshan> furrywolf: do you really need to go above 1/2"?
[10:38:53] <Wolf_Mill> I use mt2 collets on the mill
[10:39:09] <furrywolf> zeeshan-lab: dunno. :P
[10:39:22] <Wolf_Mill> but I figure why not get the mt2 holder if I'm getting a set for the lathe
[10:39:27] <furrywolf> I figured if I do, I'll order some MT3 collets. :P
[10:39:35] <blib> engraving milling machine - there are so many on ebay
[10:39:47] <fenn> engraving machine
[10:39:51] <zeeshan> ^
[10:40:00] <fenn> don't get confused, it's not a milling machine
[10:40:18] <Wolf_Mill> it will mill, 0.25mm deep :P
[10:40:42] <fenn> it's great for circuit boards apparently
[10:40:44] <blib> nice - but useless :)
[10:41:16] <Wolf_Mill> machine choice all depends on end use appication Imo
[10:41:46] <Wolf_Mill> figure out what you expect to be cutting in it first
[10:41:47] <blib> Wolf_Mill: "useless" for me, is what I meant. Of course you are right
[10:41:53] <furrywolf> my machine choices usually depend on what I find cheap.
[10:41:57] <furrywolf> because that's my only option.
[10:42:02] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[10:42:26] <blib> was looking for used 1100 tormachs - no luck yet :)
[10:42:28] <zeeshan> man with this new job i got
[10:42:32] <zeeshan> i hope i can afford some big ass machines
[10:42:35] <zeeshan> and a big ass shop
[10:42:50] <zeeshan> i really want a proper cnc turning center
[10:42:50] <furrywolf> don't you already have a big ass mill?
[10:42:56] <zeeshan> and cnc grinder
[10:43:06] <furrywolf> with like a 20hp spindle and instablow (TM) servo drives? :P
[10:43:06] <zeeshan> i do
[10:43:08] <zeeshan> i like the mill
[10:43:19] <zeeshan> ill never get rid of the mill
[10:43:23] <zeeshan> but i hate my lathe very much
[10:43:27] <Wolf_Mill> so what defines someplace good for the collets?
[10:43:37] <zeeshan> accusize tools
[10:43:40] <zeeshan> check em out
[10:43:46] <zeeshan> i bought my er32 collets from there and tested em
[10:43:57] <zeeshan> they're around 0.0002 runout in their er32 cat40 holders
[10:44:08] <zeeshan> not sure if the 0.0002 is coming from collet or tool holder
[10:44:11] <zeeshan> but it doesnt matter
[10:45:03] <zeeshan> im sure shars ones are ok too
[10:45:16] <zeeshan> for machines with < 5000 rpm spindles
[10:45:32] <furrywolf> sure your spindle doesn't have .0002 runout? :P
[10:45:37] <zeeshan> nope
[10:45:46] <zeeshan> cause i have a mari tool holder
[10:45:50] <zeeshan> that measures 0 pretty much
[10:46:55] <Wolf_Mill> 150 for 18 collets...
[10:47:23] <furrywolf> my drill press has enough runout I've never needed to put a dial indicator on it, because it's quite visible by eye. I should sell that one...
[10:47:40] <zeeshan> haha
[10:47:42] <fenn> probably a gunked up taper socket
[10:48:00] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/mississauga-peel-region/daewoo-puma-cnc-lathe/1083699187?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[10:48:03] <zeeshan> ive been eying this lathe
[10:48:31] <furrywolf> fenn: I took it apart a while ago to see what was up. looked like someone spun the chuck in the taper pretty badly.
[10:49:07] <furrywolf> I cleaned it up a bit with sandpaper, which got it into "suitable for drilling wood" rather than "suitable for scrapping".
[10:50:19] <zeeshan> honestly my first drill press was like that
[10:50:31] <zeeshan> just gotta center punch
[10:50:35] <zeeshan> so the drill catches onto it
[10:50:45] <zeeshan> itll do decently accurate holes with 15 thou runout
[10:50:46] <fenn> Wolf_Mill: what search terms did you use to find that backing plate ER collet chuck?
[10:50:49] <zeeshan> cause the sides of the drill bit don't cut
[10:51:02] <furrywolf> I have a smaller one with minimal runout... I bought this one because I wanted a bigger one... guy I got it from said it worked perfectly...
[10:51:07] <Wolf_Mill> er32 holder...
[10:51:20] <zeeshan> furrywolf: when i get my cnc grindfer
[10:51:27] <zeeshan> you can send me your spindle :)
[10:51:48] <furrywolf> it's an old craftsman with THE WORLD'S MOST EXPENSIVE BEARINGS! (even proclaims it in large stickers all over it)
[10:52:05] <archivist> park your cnc ginder in MY garage
[10:52:21] <zeeshan> no :(
[10:52:30] <zeeshan> i just need 2 years to go by quickly
[10:52:34] <zeeshan> so i can pursue this
[10:52:35] <archivist> the mikron then :)
[10:52:37] <zeeshan> no
[10:52:37] <zeeshan> !
[10:53:11] <zeeshan> archivist: even when the mikron becomes too slow for me
[10:53:14] <zeeshan> ill keep it
[10:53:16] <zeeshan> cause its so versatile
[10:53:45] <zeeshan> as much as i thought i didnt not need a horizontal mill
[10:53:48] <zeeshan> it really comes in handy
[10:54:06] <zeeshan> lemme see if i can find the pic on my phone a recent job i did
[10:54:12] <zeeshan> where it was horizontal :P
[10:54:23] <furrywolf> shouldn't you be making lumps? :P
[10:54:29] <archivist> I used mind this week, to hold stuff for painting
[10:54:30] <zeeshan> i am
[10:54:34] <zeeshan> furrywolf: all this week i will be
[10:54:38] <zeeshan> today im working onthe fixtures
[10:54:47] <zeeshan> i was waiting on some things :)
[10:55:00] <furrywolf> you need to hurry up and make them and get paid so I get my cut. :P
[10:55:03] <zeeshan> and had to build my coolant lubrictor system
[10:55:15] <zeeshan> furrywolf: come do the work
[10:55:16] <zeeshan> take the cut
[10:55:18] <fenn> combined soda fountain and milling machine
[10:55:19] <archivist> I was waiting on hand cleaner it arrived today!
[10:55:24] <furrywolf> lol
[10:55:30] <zeeshan> archivist: i hope you bought the worx hand cleaner! :P
[10:55:40] <zeeshan> furrywolf: seriously
[10:55:46] <zeeshan> fly over here for 500
[10:55:48] <furrywolf> hand cleaner is something you have to order?
[10:55:50] <archivist> I got the orange swafega
[10:55:53] <zeeshan> do the whole job for me
[10:55:55] <zeeshan> give me 500
[10:55:57] <zeeshan> take the rest
[10:55:58] <zeeshan> :)
[10:56:02] <furrywolf> lol
[10:56:05] <zeeshan> (thats how much i dont want to do this)
[10:56:17] <archivist> furrywolf, to get it cheap yes
[10:56:49] <zeeshan> archivist: i got a q
[10:56:53] <zeeshan> in clock making
[10:57:00] <zeeshan> have you ever come across a situation where you need to make 10 of the same part
[10:57:07] <zeeshan> but you need to drill a bolt pattern in all 10
[10:57:07] <Wolf_Mill> hmm 25x er32 Accuracy: 0.0003" or 5um for $110 sounds legit
[10:57:14] <zeeshan> did you build a fixture to hold em?
[10:57:21] <zeeshan> 1/16 " thick part
[10:57:36] <archivist> I made a fixture for some gear holes
[10:58:11] <jdh> z: how much is that lathe?
[10:58:21] <zeeshan> too much
[10:58:29] <zeeshan> 10k
[10:58:35] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=gears+racing
[10:58:57] <zeeshan> cheater
[10:59:01] <zeeshan> you're doing it one part at a time
[10:59:01] <zeeshan> :P
[10:59:24] <archivist> 4 holes at a time!
[10:59:29] <zeeshan> hehe
[10:59:45] <zeeshan> ill think about it later
[10:59:47] <zeeshan> gonna work on the fixtures
[11:00:50] <archivist> more than one at a time
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2002/2002_09_18_Wheelcutting/P9190303.JPG
[11:01:05] <zeeshan> haha
[11:01:08] <zeeshan> that is SO COOL
[11:01:12] <archivist> that was a clock winding gear
[11:01:13] <furrywolf> when I get a working 4th axis on the shoptask, you've inspired me to try making other complex-shape wooden objects for resale... I figure I can sell them for $50 each... I'll need to invent a cnc sanding and polishing attachment for my spindle, as I hate sanding and polishing, however...
[11:01:42] <zeeshan> furrywolf: sell em for more
[11:01:53] <zeeshan> if you do $50 each
[11:02:01] <zeeshan> youre gonna have to mass produce em
[11:02:04] <zeeshan> and youll get sick of it
[11:02:05] <archivist> give up the day job
[11:02:14] <zeeshan> and yes give up the day job to do it
[11:02:21] <zeeshan> if you charge $150 each
[11:02:24] <zeeshan> you can change that :P
[11:02:31] <zeeshan> people will pay for exotic stuff.
[11:02:32] <archivist> why I dont make watering cans :)
[11:02:44] <zeeshan> if they don't pay, they aren't your market
[11:03:08] <zeeshan> man anything new i design
[11:03:14] <zeeshan> i gotta do it in inventor to warm up inventor skills again
[11:03:16] <archivist> it was the boredom factor
[11:03:45] <PetefromTn_> you're still talking about the venus Demilo?
[11:03:55] <zeeshan> hi pete!!
[11:03:57] <zeeshan> did you see my soda bottle
[11:04:06] <PetefromTn_> Oh you're kiddin me right
[11:04:10] <zeeshan> rofl
[11:04:19] <zeeshan> yes
[11:04:22] <zeeshan> iit turned out pretty sweet dude
[11:04:23] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/EgSyzUw.jpg
[11:04:35] <zeeshan> i cleaned up the hoses by putting up a P clamp
[11:04:36] <furrywolf> people won't pay three times what comparable objects from other vendors sell for. :P
[11:04:41] <PetefromTn_> IT"S NOT POLISHED!!!!!
[11:04:47] <Wolf_Mill> still think that alum oxygen bottle will make a nice tank
[11:05:02] <PetefromTn_> hows it work?
[11:05:02] <zeeshan> no time for polish :(
[11:05:06] <zeeshan> works great dude
[11:05:09] <zeeshan> the misting is non existant now
[11:05:10] <t12> lol @ your sight glass
[11:05:11] <zeeshan> it fogs
[11:05:18] * furrywolf still thinks that tank is completely overkill
[11:05:48] <zeeshan> t12 very common in the car world
[11:05:49] <zeeshan> http://www.wesellcarparts.com/store/ProdImages/greddy_oldoil.jpg
[11:05:59] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I spent the first week working part time at the shop tig welding up a bigass 4x8 welding table
[11:06:05] <zeeshan> nice!
[11:06:17] <zeeshan> got pics?
[11:06:26] <zeeshan> would love to see
[11:06:39] <zeeshan> furrywolf: why is it overkill
[11:06:41] <zeeshan> what would you have done?
[11:06:48] <PetefromTn_> they told me the first order of business next week once I get the castors welded on the table is to build an RX7 test manifold
[11:06:49] <zeeshan> the tank took me 4 hours to build
[11:07:01] <furrywolf> a pump. :)
[11:07:17] <furrywolf> and a bucket. :P
[11:07:28] <zeeshan> i dont hax
[11:07:29] <zeeshan> i do proper
[11:07:30] <zeeshan> :)
[11:07:48] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: that'll be sweet man
[11:07:52] <zeeshan> how many hours are you expected to work?
[11:08:07] <furrywolf> comparable exotic wooden objects are only $50ish, so I have to make mine cheaper. I think I can build a sanding and polishing attachment for the spindle. :P
[11:08:20] <PetefromTn_> I am not EXPECTED to work anything but I agreed to work mornings until I pick up my kids
[11:08:22] <furrywolf> or just mount a buffer next to the machine...
[11:09:15] <zeeshan> furrywolf: buffer would be easier
[11:09:45] <zeeshan> man when im machining that wood piece
[11:09:50] <zeeshan> i think im gonna go buy a drop cloth
[11:09:53] <zeeshan> to cover the whole machine with
[11:09:58] <zeeshan> on top of having a vacuum running
[11:10:01] <furrywolf> mounted in such a fashion that moving the table over buffs the part without my needing to do anything.
[11:10:07] <zeeshan> it's going to get messy
[11:11:12] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: take pics of the work you do there
[11:11:19] <zeeshan> tell em its for your irc blog :)
[11:11:45] <PetefromTn_> I am trying to get my skills up as fast as I can...lOL
[11:11:57] <zeeshan> dude
[11:11:57] <Wolf_Mill> my vac hose got upgraded
http://i.imgur.com/M6H62Wa.jpg
[11:12:01] <zeeshan> i tried pulsing w/ aluminum
[11:12:05] <PetefromTn_> they told me they want to buy me a top quality snapon large view welding helmet
[11:12:06] <zeeshan> boy did my welds look like ass
[11:12:13] <zeeshan> when i removed pulsing, it looked much better
[11:12:14] <zeeshan> i dunno why
[11:12:19] <zeeshan> ive always done it without pulsing
[11:12:34] <zeeshan> nice
[11:12:39] <PetefromTn_> apparently the guy they fired got one and raved about how great it was so they want me to get one..
[11:13:09] <PetefromTn_> they are also going to buy that dogfab torch setup with pyrex cups... because again the other guy swore by them...
[11:13:16] <PetefromTn_> I was like OOOKKKAY
[11:13:24] <zeeshan> nice
[11:13:35] <PetefromTn_> never even seen the snapon helmets
[11:13:40] <zeeshan> me either
[11:13:49] <PetefromTn_> but I went to knoxvegas yesterday to pickup some supplies
[11:14:03] <PetefromTn_> got some fresh 3/32 2% thoriated tungstens
[11:14:12] <PetefromTn_> and while I was there grabbed a few other doodads
[11:14:26] <PetefromTn_> checked out the miller and Lincoln new helmets
[11:14:35] <PetefromTn_> that new Lincoln Helmet is NICE!!
[11:14:44] <PetefromTn_> Lincolk/viking
[11:15:15] <PetefromTn_> I like that MOJO one a lot
[11:15:26] <Wolf_Mill> meh, I'll stick with my old pos helemt
[11:15:36] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: ththeres one
[11:15:39] <PetefromTn_> http://newsroom.lincolnelectric.com/News+Releases/updated+viking+3350.htm#.VeHVKvlViko
[11:15:40] <zeeshan> that is considered the best
[11:15:53] <PetefromTn_> that one is only like $270.00
[11:15:56] <zeeshan> if look on welding forums people swear by this helmet:
[11:16:01] <zeeshan> 3m speedglass 9100
[11:16:19] <PetefromTn_> the guys there all said they tried the millers and others and the new lincoln is the best for whatever that is worth
[11:16:43] <zeeshan> http://www.amazon.com/3M-Speedglas-Standard-Auto-Darkening-06-0100-10SW/dp/B003IF13TQ
[11:16:44] <zeeshan> this thing
[11:17:05] <PetefromTn_> looks decent.. not a big view window tho
[11:17:25] <zeeshan> that viking has a huge window
[11:17:26] <zeeshan> nice
[11:17:35] <Wolf_Mill> http://wolfmetalfab.com/pics/weldingcart/slides/IMG_0074.JPG
[11:17:52] <zeeshan> ahaha
[11:17:54] <PetefromTn_> the welding place I get my stuff local is HUGE and they actually teach classes there... They all said that new lincoln is awesome..
[11:17:58] <zeeshan> i see a speedglass
[11:18:00] <zeeshan> ncie wolf.
[11:18:14] <PetefromTn_> nice
[11:18:18] <zeeshan> is that a hypertherm plasma on the bottom
[11:18:23] <Wolf_Mill> yeah
[11:18:26] <zeeshan> nice
[11:18:29] <PetefromTn_> is that a 150 miller tig
[11:18:40] <zeeshan> i see a dynasty 200dx
[11:18:44] <Wolf_Mill> hyperthem 1000, miller 210 mig, 200dx
[11:19:04] <PetefromTn_> I thought the 200dx had a digital display?
[11:19:12] <Wolf_Mill> it does
[11:19:38] <PetefromTn_> I have used that mig before it is a very nice machine
[11:19:40] <Wolf_Mill> has a flipdow for the buttons
[11:19:47] <PetefromTn_> oh okay
[11:19:59] <zeeshan> fak me
[11:20:04] <zeeshan> thats like 8k worth of equipment there
[11:20:06] <PetefromTn_> what do you think of the speedglass?
[11:20:42] <Wolf_Mill> works good, I would get one again if it died, but that pic was from '05 I think lol
[11:21:01] <zeeshan> work time
[11:21:02] <PetefromTn_> have you seen the new lincoln ones I linked to?
[11:21:32] <Wolf_Mill> nope, I dont even bother to look at them at the welding shops when I go
[11:23:21] <fenn> but it has clowns and spiders and stuff
[11:23:54] <PetefromTn_> it's got a lot more than that..
[11:24:41] <fenn> flaming eyeballs and bulldogs
[11:25:10] <Wolf_Mill> cant see any of that crap when your under the hood anyway
[11:25:59] <fenn> i think i'd want one that works well with a powered air filter
[11:25:59] <Wolf_Mill> my main thing was having somethign that wouldnt flash the fuck out of me on low amp tig
[11:26:00] <PetefromTn_> Ok guys I see where this is going yeah I only liked it because of the design on it...yeah right
[11:26:37] <Wolf_Mill> speedglas has a filtered air kit
[11:26:41] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: no matter what you get
[11:26:46] <zeeshan> they're all good
[11:26:47] <zeeshan> :)
[11:26:51] <zeeshan> except the cheap chinese shit
[11:26:55] <zeeshan> that'll arc flash you all the time
[11:27:00] <PetefromTn_> the GOOD ones are all good I think
[11:27:06] <zeeshan> yea
[11:27:10] <zeeshan> get the sexiest one
[11:27:14] <zeeshan> and the widest window possible
[11:27:20] <zeeshan> for the $
[11:27:22] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, back when I got mine, speedglas was the only one worth a shit
[11:27:30] <PetefromTn_> they sell jackson, miller elite, lincoln all the top names there...
[11:27:31] <zeeshan> lies Wolf_Mill
[11:27:35] <zeeshan> i got mine around then
[11:27:41] <zeeshan> the miller elite series was up there
[11:27:44] <PetefromTn_> and the guys all recommended the lincoln
[11:27:53] <zeeshan> jackson is another top notch brand
[11:27:59] <Wolf_Mill> got it in 04?
[11:28:07] <zeeshan> yes around there :P
[11:28:17] <zeeshan> jackson wh70
[11:28:23] <zeeshan> but still not big viewing window like the lincoln
[11:28:38] <Wolf_Mill> I have a jackson auto also, hated that pos
[11:28:50] <PetefromTn_> of course
[11:29:06] <zeeshan> out of all those choices
[11:29:09] <zeeshan> i'd go wit hthe lincoln
[11:29:19] <zeeshan> if i were to buy one now
[11:29:25] <t12> is that 3/4" locline
[11:29:29] <PetefromTn_> I decided that I will wait til the snapon truck comes by
[11:29:38] <PetefromTn_> they said I can try one out before I buy it
[11:29:43] <Wolf_Mill> yeah 3/4" locline
[11:30:01] <PetefromTn_> and the guys at the local big welding shop said I could try ANY of their demo helmets in the back welding shop class area before i buy
[11:30:17] <t12> it work well? been meaning to get exactly that
[11:30:17] <Wolf_Mill> ^ thats a big plus
[11:30:20] <PetefromTn_> so I will see for myself which one sucks and which is best
[11:30:24] <t12> for some cast iron turning
[11:30:33] <Wolf_Mill> t12: i dunno, havent tried it yet lol
[11:31:10] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/Sn1SOGA.jpg v1 works ok
[11:31:24] * Loetmichel2 got his new monitor installed yesterday... now i have a 19" TV as secondary PC monitor, a 23" 3D TV as main monitor and a 22" monitor as secondary on the main PC... nice :-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15943 ... and wife just made lunch ;) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15946
[11:32:23] <PetefromTn_> http://www.amazon.com/3M-Speedglas-Extra-Large-Auto-Darkening-06-0100-30SW/dp/B005V68NHU Apparently they make a large window speedglass as well as other features
[11:33:58] <t12> i have one of the cheap speedglas's
[11:34:06] <t12> its nice but have been flashed a few times on tig
[11:34:22] <t12> maybe the more expensive ones are better
[11:35:20] <PetefromTn_> really that sucks... I currently have a Kobalt tools auto dark and I can't think of a single time I got flashed by it. It does not have a large window tho which is something I think would come in real handy...
[11:40:55] <fenn> holy crap it's $2k for a the speedglas with powered air
[12:04:10] <XXCoder> wow been a fucked up night
[12:04:14] <zeeshan> why
[12:04:16] <XXCoder> couldnt sleep at all
[12:04:20] <XXCoder> sore all over
[12:04:41] <zeeshan> doing the hanky panky?
[12:04:46] <zeeshan> whos the lucky girl
[12:04:46] <XXCoder> and sadly not sex related
[12:04:49] <zeeshan> damn
[12:04:49] <zeeshan> :/
[12:05:01] <XXCoder> yeah. I didnt even exercise hard whole week
[12:05:05] <XXCoder> so its something bad
[12:06:30] <Wolf_Mill> noob question, y axis scale seems to be off, any instructions on how to tune it
[12:06:30] <malcom2073> Damn that sucks
[12:06:39] <malcom2073> Should at least get hanky panky out of it
[12:06:49] <XXCoder> yeah. well time to (ugh) drive there
[12:10:00] <archivist> Wolf_, a calculator
[12:12:55] <bobo_> zeeshan are the venus Demikron things done yet ?
[12:15:50] <zeeshan> bobo no :P
[12:17:24] <Wolf_Mill> cool, asked the calculator but it has no idea what to do
[12:17:59] <archivist> you have to tell it :)
[12:18:45] <archivist> it is a simple error % you change your current scale by
[12:19:56] <bobo_> zeeshan bummer thought it was going to be a quick job for you
[12:19:57] <Wolf_Mill> that sort of math is a area i'm not good in lol
[12:20:08] <zeeshan> bobo_: prolly take a coujple weeks
[12:20:20] <zeeshan> i got a full time job i start on sept 8
[12:20:24] <zeeshan> practicing my cad skills for it
[12:20:36] <archivist> what was it supposed to move/what it did move
[12:24:56] <Wolf_Mill> hmm, checking it right now
[12:25:50] <archivist> can be easier to measure rotations of the screw with a marker
[12:26:13] <archivist> do it over a long enough distance
[12:27:15] <bobo_> zeeshan is this the Eaton job offer ? the one that will cramp finishing up your masters degree,time wise
[12:27:16] <Wolf_Mill> I stuck a rule on the table
[12:27:21] <archivist> then you go oh its a metric screw not an english screw
[12:27:35] <alti> hi
[12:28:03] <zeeshan> thats okay
[12:28:09] <zeeshan> pay is too high to reject it
[12:28:38] <Wolf_Mill> oddly I told it 3" and it stopped at 3", but yesterday I was seeing 0.006" loss over 1" but... that might have been the setup with the dial
[12:29:24] <archivist> odd small parts is often measurement and backlash errors
[12:30:12] <Wolf_Mill> looks more like measurement error due to bad operator :D
[12:33:49] <Wolf_Mill> if it was really losing 0.006" over 1" of travel I think it would show up with this setup
http://i.imgur.com/uZwaxOl.jpg
[12:34:08] <bobo_> Eaton ,to me , seems to be a good long term outfit to get hooked up with. it's the old problem of what's ahead say 10 years from now.
[12:35:12] <zeeshan> unless it's exceptional
[12:35:21] <zeeshan> its typical to move to a new job after 3-5 years
[12:35:52] <zeeshan> im excited to start again there
[12:36:01] <zeeshan> i had a lot of fun during my coop job
[12:36:13] <zeeshan> its all big ass power distribution assemblies
[12:36:17] <zeeshan> 6000A 600V
[12:36:19] <zeeshan> sometimes higher
[12:36:37] <zeeshan> lots of sheet metal components that need to be engineered to take the weights
[12:36:47] <zeeshan> and pass seismic testing
[12:37:07] <zeeshan> great people too
[12:37:25] <zeeshan> and what is cool is i know almost all the people there
[12:37:32] <zeeshan> i remember their names :D
[12:41:09] <bobo_> oh the seismic design and testing. remember when that started for the power plants.
[12:50:04] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqTPYqCUC8Q
[13:16:57] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan congratulations on the new position
[13:23:44] <ganzuul> ...
[13:23:48] <ganzuul> \o/ !
[13:23:56] <ganzuul> grats zee
[13:28:01] <bobo_> be back later
[13:28:17] <fenn> this place is going to be pretty quiet now that pete and zeeshan are employed :)
[13:31:06] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, goin back to your old job building electrical pannels?
[13:44:46] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: He mentioned something about "independant contractor" and working at a deak yesterday
[13:44:53] <Jymmm> desk*
[14:47:04] <zeeshan> thank you guys :)
[14:47:14] <zeeshan> ill irc from work :P
[14:47:24] <zeeshan> not getting rid of me th at easy!
[14:47:52] <t12> lol
[14:48:05] <t12> congrats on work
[14:50:16] <zeeshan> man my mist coolant is acting up
[14:50:17] <zeeshan> kinda lost
[14:55:11] <pcw_home> mistified?
[14:55:18] <zeeshan> no
[14:55:19] <Wolf_Mill> soda bottle is what makes it work
[14:55:23] <zeeshan> its not sucking the coolant properly
[14:55:34] <zeeshan> the coolant is coming w/ air mixed
[14:55:40] <zeeshan> when it's supposed to be pure coolant only
[14:55:53] <zeeshan> somehow air is mixing with the coolant when its not supposed to
[14:56:13] <zeeshan> either i have leak on my pick up tube
[14:56:19] <zeeshan> or something is seriously wrong :P
[14:56:21] <miss0r> zeeshan: This is somewhere before the pump then
[14:56:41] <zeeshan> miss0r its not flood coolant
[14:56:41] <miss0r> indeed. I'm gonna go with the pick up tube.... have you tried yelling at it?
[14:56:44] <zeeshan> i have a mister
[14:56:51] <zeeshan> i pressure a coolant bottle
[14:56:56] <Wolf_Mill> misting system uses pressure bottle
[14:57:05] <zeeshan> lemme just draw it out rather type
[14:57:12] * miss0r should read from the start before comming with comments
[14:57:57] <miss0r> I just need some entertainment while my mill completes this rather ugly paint through templet.
[14:59:09] <zeeshan> fuck i think i put the pick up tube
[14:59:11] <zeeshan> on the wrong thing
[14:59:21] <zeeshan> gonna check through the fill hole :(
[15:00:07] <miss0r> I must assume this is a dumb question; why would you ever choose any cooling method over flooding?
[15:01:38] <Wolf_Mill> uses less liquid
[15:04:25] <miss0r> I get that. but with a drain and a filter that puts it back in the system, waste is not that much of an issue?
[15:05:13] <Wolf_Mill> it is if you use diffrent coolants for diffrent materials
[15:05:32] <tiwake> most people dont
[15:05:44] <miss0r> ahh. alright. I havent graduated to a level higher than one type of flood coolant
[15:06:26] <tiwake> the only time I've heard of using different coolants is with different kinds of machines
[15:06:29] <Wolf_Mill> there is some other reasons, but I dont know them
[15:07:00] <tiwake> specifically, grinders vs lathe/mill
[15:07:57] <pcw_home> I think you really need a full enclosure for flood coolant
[15:08:18] <tiwake> most of the time, yeah
[15:08:34] <tiwake> maybe not if the machine is really really big :)
[15:29:31] <Wolf_Mill> anyone here used npn proxmity sensors with a parallel bob
[15:40:15] <pcw_home> I haven't, but it should work as long as the input has a pullup
[15:41:02] <LatheBuilder2> Particularly if the spindle is fast. Mine is slowish 3k and is tolerable with flood coolant using a half height table surround. Still get some spray though.
[15:41:37] <LatheBuilder2> And the odd chip hitting the ceiling
[15:41:58] <Wolf_Mill> I think this crappy bob has pullups, more so wondering when powered I'm reading 12v on the output of the sensor (12v powered)
[15:56:31] <pcw_home> the output of the sensor itself should be close to 0V it not pulled up
[15:57:29] <pcw_home> if not
[15:57:40] <Wolf_Mill> seems there is 2 ways to wire them lol
[15:58:13] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.stack.imgur.com/AFhbM.png found online
[16:03:17] <pcw_home> got their NPN/PNPs mixed up
[16:04:50] <Wolf_Mill> both of the ones I have here do the same thing, blu output wire shows 12v when open, when triggered it pulls ground
[16:06:15] <pcw_home> must have an internal pullup
[16:08:08] <Wolf_Mill> http://www.ia.omron.com/data_pdf/cat/tl-w_ds_e_9_1_csm469.pdf TL-W5MC1 is what I have...
[16:08:44] <Deejay> gn8
[16:12:15] <pcw_home> MC types show no pullup (E and F types have pullups/pulldowns)
[16:13:11] <Wolf_Mill> so I just need to add pulldown resistors to the output lines then, right
[16:13:15] <pcw_home> 12V when connected to BOB or unconnected?
[16:13:16] <pcw_home> (with no load the voltage may be just leakage)
[16:13:43] <Wolf_Mill> right now I have the sensors just on 12v, not connected
[16:14:12] <pcw_home> maybe just leakage
[16:14:48] <Wolf_Mill> I like to test things before randomly hooking them up lol
[16:15:50] <pcw_home> might try a pulldown resistor just to verify that its just leakage
[16:16:37] <pcw_home> A NPN output should either be open or shorted to ground
[16:22:24] <Wolf_Mill> hmm how many ohm should I use
[16:26:03] <renesis> 1k usually works okay
[16:27:40] <renesis> maybe closer to 10k since 12v
[16:29:12] <renesis> lower resistance and it might be too hard for the npn to drive, higher resistance is less immune to noise and interference
[16:33:11] <furrywolf> gah.. it is too opressively hot and humid to do anything today.
[16:33:55] <Wolf_> … figures, most all of the resistors i have are under 500ohm for led voltage drops, least for through hole
[16:34:08] <renesis> you can put a bunch in series
[16:34:42] <renesis> get like 10 of them, put side by side, tie ends to make a big chain of them
[16:35:21] <renesis> prob not a great permanent solution (maybe if you hotglue, heh) but its fine for test
[16:35:53] <furrywolf> I've done that for high voltage dividers.
[16:36:08] <furrywolf> except it one long string not side by side.
[16:36:50] <renesis> if you just do a pair of them for 1k, theyll get kind of warm. it should be fine for power dissipation, but sensor maybe doesnt drive it hard enough
[16:37:05] <renesis> i do side by side and tie alternating ends if dissipation isnt an issue
[16:38:01] <renesis> if dissipation is a problem, yeah in a line or just space em out a bunch
[16:38:59] <renesis> oh i missed your first line about hv
[16:39:40] <renesis> that would maybe come in handy for smd
[16:40:04] <renesis> voltage rating on most smd resistor is crappy
[16:41:38] <XXCoder> furrywolf: windy as heck here
[16:41:54] <XXCoder> 67. lowest its been entire summer
[16:41:56] <XXCoder> f
[16:42:50] <renesis> want to ride my bike to do errand but its 85F and a/c is broken
[16:42:53] <renesis> might die
[16:43:11] <Wolf_Mill> well, if the smd resistor pops, I know its not leakage
[16:43:11] <furrywolf> it's a little windy here, but waaaay too hot and humid.
[16:43:22] <XXCoder> 85f? thats just hot-ish here
[16:44:04] <renesis> its the coming home and no a/c part
[16:44:31] <renesis> i should just drive i need car wash anyway
[16:44:38] <renesis> car has a/c
[16:44:42] <renesis> car loves me
[16:44:49] <renesis> i love car
[16:45:04] <furrywolf> I need to fix my weather station... it says we got 0.02" of rain last night, yet everything outside has a half inch in it.
[16:45:09] <XXCoder> just dont love it too much like some I heard of
[16:46:54] <furrywolf> probably has spider webs in the sensor or something...
[16:48:02] <XXCoder> maybe lol or dirt
[16:48:22] <furrywolf> not much dirt 20ft up...
[16:49:23] <XXCoder> can come in as dust then water solidifes it
[16:50:35] <Wolf_Mill> well, i got 6v on there now w/ a 10k pulldown
[17:02:19] <PCW> kind of suggests there's a 10K pullup to 12V
[17:03:24] <furrywolf> gah... like renesis, I need to invent an excuse to go drive somewhere in my van, with the a/c on.
[17:04:04] <XXCoder> too bad we cant make something stay same temperate forever, without using any power
[17:04:29] <furrywolf> free energy would be nice, yes.
[17:04:36] <XXCoder> indeed
[17:05:09] <furrywolf> since if you can make one thing stay hot forever and one thing stay cold forever, you just need to put a heat engine between them... :P
[17:05:11] <XXCoder> something that stays cold + something that stays hot + stirling = power
[17:05:36] <XXCoder> too bad because of course!
[17:05:52] * furrywolf just said that
[17:06:21] <XXCoder> you said it when I was about to complete typing
[17:06:23] <furrywolf> it's too hot to fucking move today
[17:06:29] <XXCoder> gonna love timing :)
[17:06:37] <furrywolf> and too cloudy to run the a/c.
[17:07:49] <XXCoder> why?
[17:08:21] <furrywolf> because the a/c uses lots of electricity
[17:08:34] <XXCoder> oh yeah.
[17:08:49] <XXCoder> you dont have any humidity remover thing
[17:08:58] <XXCoder> no cooling, just remobe humidity
[17:09:00] <Wolf_Mill> ok, so now what, do I need to add anything to this or...
[17:09:11] <furrywolf> I might have to though. the batteries are fully charged, just they won't recharge if I use power...
[17:09:23] <furrywolf> dehumidifiers work by cooling the air
[17:09:47] <XXCoder> yeah wonder if you could set ac to little bit below actual
[17:09:58] <XXCoder> so it cools slightly. would it use less power?
[17:13:08] <ganzuul> Lots of ACs have a drying mode.
[17:13:10] <furrywolf> a/c works by cycling to maintain temperature, not variable output.
[17:14:07] <ganzuul> Silica gel also works.
[17:15:10] <ganzuul> Just need a fan. But when you need to dry the silica gel you should probably not just put the moisture back where you took it from.
[17:15:31] <XXCoder> ganzuul: yeah you can recharge those gels too
[17:15:41] <XXCoder> quite a bit of work but yeah
[17:17:27] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[17:17:32] <zeeshan-mill> i need to stop working late
[17:17:36] <ganzuul> Oh, and saturated salt water with a bubbler.
[17:17:40] <zeeshan-mill> i welded the pickup tube on the air side
[17:17:44] <zeeshan-mill> not the suction side inside the tank
[17:17:47] <zeeshan-mill> .........
[17:17:54] <Wolf_Mill> doh
[17:18:01] <zeeshan-mill> fixed now lol
[17:18:15] * furrywolf would use a pump. :P
[17:18:24] <zeeshan-mill> no
[17:18:34] <zeeshan-mill> you sholuld see the mister now
[17:18:41] <zeeshan-mill> i thought it was good before
[17:18:44] <zeeshan-mill> its even better now!
[17:18:48] <zeeshan-mill> its literally droplets
[17:20:57] <furrywolf> a pump should accomplish the same thing, without needing a pressure vessel. :)
[17:22:06] <zeeshan> a pump also wouldnt provide an air blast
[17:22:08] <zeeshan> to clear chips
[17:22:44] <furrywolf> aren't you just supplying the pressurized coolant as a liquid to a nozzle that adds the air?
[17:23:22] <XXCoder> verani uses pressured air to create vacuum
[17:23:31] <XXCoder> im sure it then draws coolants that way out
[17:23:41] <zeeshan> furrywolf: its venturi mister factory
[17:24:07] <furrywolf> so why do I have to supply the pressurized coolant from a pressure vessel rather than from a pump?
[17:24:15] <zeeshan> it has a port for air inlet. the air has a straight path to the nozzle and also it has a path to cause a venturi to suck the coolant out of a tank
[17:24:53] <zeeshan> instead of relying on completely vacuum, im pressurizing the coolant to help it get to the nozzle easier
[17:25:01] <zeeshan> this technique stops misting from happening, and rather fogging
[17:25:07] <furrywolf> yes. again, if your tank is just supplying liquid coolant under pressure, why can I not use a pump?
[17:25:10] <ganzuul> Same principle that makes airplane wings give lift.
[17:25:12] <zeeshan> because its stupid?
[17:25:15] <zeeshan> you have an air suply
[17:25:19] <zeeshan> why would you wire a completely new pump
[17:25:24] <zeeshan> and have a switch on and off for it?
[17:25:32] <zeeshan> when you could use the same air pressure to do the same?
[17:25:37] <furrywolf> because I don't happen to have a tig welder, and do have a few spare pumps? :P
[17:25:48] <zeeshan> you dont need a tig welder
[17:25:54] <zeeshan> you do have a mig
[17:26:03] <furrywolf> and then you can add more coolant while it's running and all sorts of other perks.
[17:26:29] <zeeshan> mql is called minimum quantity lubricant for a reason
[17:26:33] <zeeshan> it literally uses no coolant
[17:26:44] <furrywolf> ... I can literally use no coolant for a lot cheaper. :P
[17:26:45] <zeeshan> you'd have to run the fogger for probably 30 days
[17:26:47] <zeeshan> to use 1 Liter
[17:26:58] <Wolf_Mill> build this type
http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4718&category=2122081959
[17:27:09] * furrywolf suspects zee meant figuratively
[17:27:09] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: my thing is esxactly that
[17:27:10] <zeeshan> pretty much
[17:27:21] <zeeshan> i bought a noga minicool for $95
[17:27:31] <zeeshan> which had the mixing chamgber and nice lineloc and mag base ready to go
[17:27:42] <furrywolf> ... is that a $14.99 filter housing? LOL
[17:27:42] <zeeshan> the coolant tank cost prolly $15 in parts and welding
[17:27:50] <zeeshan> done and done!
[17:27:54] <zeeshan> furrywolf: yes
[17:28:20] <zeeshan> i feel so silly for welding the pick up tube
[17:28:21] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, thats why I said build that style lol
[17:28:29] <zeeshan> on the air side :(
[17:28:36] <zeeshan> oh well, i cut it all apart and rewelded
[17:28:44] <zeeshan> ill shoot some video tonight
[17:29:15] <furrywolf> I don't know if I'd trust one of those filters at twice their normal pressure and filled with possibly incompatible fluids...
[17:29:29] <Wolf_Mill> just need one brass 1"npt plug, tap 2 holes in it, add the pickup tube somehow and add the noga
[17:29:34] <Wolf_Mill> twice?
[17:29:38] <Wolf_Mill> try half
[17:29:59] <furrywolf> eh? if you're just running it off your air supply, you're looking at 90-160psi. water pressure is usually 30-60psi...
[17:30:25] <Wolf_Mill> they should be rated for 80psi, you reg drop to <30psi on the mister
[17:30:26] <furrywolf> or is that regulator fixed to let you never turn it above that, with a suitably rated popoff valve not pictured? :P
[17:30:46] <furrywolf> rule: if there's no popoff valve, it's full input pressure.
[17:30:56] <furrywolf> your regulator WILL leak with time.
[17:31:10] <zeeshan-mill> furrywolf, the chamber pressure is 30
[17:31:12] <XXCoder> finally it is done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4QiOXfZDX8
[17:31:16] <XXCoder> weird eh
[17:31:26] <Wolf_Mill> note the air valve to turn it on/off is before the reg...
[17:31:50] <furrywolf> I might use a syrup pump for simplicity.
[17:32:38] <ganzuul> XXCoder: Computer random or hand-random?
[17:32:46] <XXCoder> ganzuul: google dream
[17:32:58] <ganzuul> Because it added a Voronoi pattern to the image.
[17:32:59] <Wolf_Mill> oh, and city water pressure is 90psi
[17:33:16] <XXCoder> unless you mean organal picture, I just randomly drew circles
[17:33:19] <ganzuul> XXCoder: I'm afmiliar with it, so some extent.
[17:33:20] <furrywolf> Wolf_Mill: I don't know what city you're in, but I've never seen it anywhere near that.
[17:33:22] <ganzuul> aah
[17:33:31] <ganzuul> That explains the voronoi
[17:33:48] <ganzuul> Circles, I mean
[17:33:55] <XXCoder> lol ok
[17:34:06] <XXCoder> I plan a different one later
[17:34:27] <XXCoder> ^ shapes because thats higher chance of buildings and less animals
[17:34:27] <furrywolf> syrup pumps are a cheap way to create a pressurized fluid from a pressurized gas. :)
[17:34:53] <Wolf_Mill> got no syrup pumps here
[17:35:07] <Wolf_Mill> I do have a air line run to the house from my shop tho :D
[17:35:08] <ganzuul> XXCoder:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaunay_triangulation
[17:35:27] <XXCoder> cool
[17:35:32] <ganzuul> mmh
[17:36:00] <ganzuul> Yeah, it's rather interesting if trig gets your juices pumping.
[17:36:29] <ganzuul> I suppose if you're into CNC, you might be like that
[17:36:41] <XXCoder> theres bunch of programming fun
[17:36:48] <XXCoder> like verani
[17:37:14] <ganzuul> Haven't heard of that.
[17:37:43] <XXCoder> hold ob a sec
[17:37:55] <XXCoder> oh its same thing you talked about LOL
[17:38:01] <XXCoder> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronoi_diagram
[17:38:09] <XXCoder> linux has screensaver using that
[17:38:09] <ganzuul> *nod*
[17:38:13] <furrywolf> trig occasionally makes me wet, but I'm too rusty with it for it to be very interesting anymore. heh.
[17:38:14] <ganzuul> :)
[17:38:44] <XXCoder> I planned to make windows version, but not anymore since not using windows.
[17:38:44] <dibsa> Hello, I had a question, I am encountering velocity dependent following errors (as in, I can move it very slowly, but it will show following errors if I move it faster) on a machine I am building, is this generally related to incorrect PID parameters or should I look elsewhere for the problem?
[17:39:15] <furrywolf> oculd be incorrect PID parameters, could be you have a driver issue, could be you have a mechanical issue...
[17:39:23] <furrywolf> if your machine physically can't keep up, you'll get errors.
[17:39:50] <furrywolf> are you running your motors at full power when you get the errors?
[17:42:03] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shurflo-H-D-Syrup-Pump-3-8-166-296-07-coke-/221851047282 syrup pumps are dirt cheap, and will give you pressurized liquid from your pressurized gas supply. :)
[17:42:52] <SpeedEvil> interesting
[17:43:30] <furrywolf> they use them in soda machines to pump the syrup using the co2 supply. they're quiet, efficient, and dirt cheap.
[17:44:05] <furrywolf> and behave sanely (i.e. don't do anything) if you shut off either the input or output with a valve.
[17:44:10] <Wolf_Mill> but the gas mixes in to the liquid right?
[17:44:13] <furrywolf> no
[17:44:20] <furrywolf> shurflo's ones just pump the liquid
[17:44:29] <furrywolf> you only get gas in the output if the diaphragm is shot.
[17:44:49] <dibsa> It doesn't seem to be related to a mechanical issue, I can manually jog the motor up to full speed (using the servo drive)
[17:45:09] <dibsa> I am torn between PID and misconfiguration of the servo drive
[17:46:00] <dibsa> There is an electronic gear setting that comes by default as 12.8, I assume this multiplies each input pulse times 12.8, which I think might be the problem
[17:46:30] <furrywolf> 12.8, not 12.7?
[17:46:48] <dibsa> It is defined as 128/10
[17:46:50] <furrywolf> I've seen 128, and I've heard of 12.7. :)
[17:46:56] <furrywolf> ah
[18:00:47] <zeeshan-mill> furrywolf, what are those cheap syrup pumps rated for temp wise
[18:01:36] <furrywolf> probably not hot liquids.
[18:02:06] <furrywolf> just checked, manual says 120F
[18:02:22] <SpeedEvil> What sort of flow?
[18:02:28] <SpeedEvil> 100ml/min?
[18:02:37] <furrywolf> ... rtfm?
[18:03:02] <SpeedEvil> I was wondering if you happened to have it open and to have skimmed it
[18:03:12] <SpeedEvil> nvm - unlikely to actually buy one.
[18:03:12] <furrywolf> 3.4oz / 101cc per cycle.
[18:03:18] <SpeedEvil> ah
[18:03:23] <SpeedEvil> thanks
[18:03:26] <furrywolf> and it says 2 strokes per second, but I'm not sure if that's a cycle or half a cycle.
[18:04:24] <furrywolf> so either 6l/min or 12l/min depending on the relationship between strokes and cycles.
[18:05:27] <furrywolf> says you can run them faster but above 2 strokes/second the pump life drops substantially.
[18:05:36] <zeeshan-mill> darn
[18:05:43] <zeeshan-mill> was thinking of using it as an atf pump
[18:06:40] <furrywolf> how fast do you need? 6l/min is a lot of atf. :P
[18:07:09] <SpeedEvil> A whole beurea full
[18:07:16] <SpeedEvil> (and I can't spell that word)
[18:08:29] * furrywolf isn't even sure which word
[18:09:09] <SpeedEvil> Bureau apparantly
[18:09:45] <furrywolf> ah
[18:09:50] * furrywolf sighs at the pun
[18:16:24] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[18:16:27] <zeeshan-mill> yesssss
[18:16:33] <zeeshan-mill> i am tapping m8 holes in steel
[18:16:34] <zeeshan-mill> 1/2
[18:16:37] <zeeshan-mill> success
[18:17:06] <Wolf_Mill> nice, make me a tooling plate next for my mill :P
[18:17:32] <CaptHindsight> any tips on accelerating the aging of scotch in barrels or the effects or aging in a barrel?
[18:17:34] <zeeshan-mill> send me that dynasty 200dx
[18:17:40] <CaptHindsight> or/of
[18:17:46] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[18:18:25] * furrywolf doesn't drink, and knows nothing about alcohol production
[18:18:27] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Time machine?
[18:19:15] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: It's not *just* aging, but it's also the reaction of the tannins in the wood
[18:19:32] <CaptHindsight> ultrasonification
[18:19:59] <Jymmm> I guess you want chea whiskey, sure
[18:20:05] <Jymmm> cheap*
[18:20:22] <CaptHindsight> you're just making esters
[18:21:21] <Jymmm> And a hamburger out of a paper bag is just as good as off the backyard grill.
[18:21:47] <Jymmm> "you're just applying heat to ground meat"
[18:21:59] <CaptHindsight> most people seem to think so
[18:22:38] <Jymmm> Well, good luck. Let us know how it turns out
[18:22:58] <CaptHindsight> man will never fly
[18:29:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cocktailwonk.com/2015/04/from-alchemy-to-science-esters.html
[18:40:18] <furrywolf> does it matter what it tastes like? the goal is to make you into a loud, unpleasant person. you can accomplish that no matter what it tastes like.
[19:02:25] <SpeedEvil> Just fake being drunk, way cheaper.
[19:11:05] <renesis> i want to put it into claire williams so bad
[19:11:51] <renesis> haha she says she has never experienced sexism in formula
[19:12:22] <renesis> youre frank williams daughter, youre fucking royalty, if someone offended you like 100 guys would murder them instantly
[19:15:00] <renesis> haha this isnt #cars
[19:20:46] <SpeedEvil> renesis: give it a couple of years and it will be.
[19:20:48] <Wolf_Mill> cool my limit switches work
[19:20:58] <SpeedEvil> iCar, Gcar
[19:28:40] <SpeedEvil> https://i.imgur.com/4zT3CaL.jpg
[19:32:08] <renesis> heh
[19:32:13] <renesis> tricky bastards
[19:32:33] <Wolf_Mill> least its truthful reporting...
[19:33:41] <Jymmm> And SpeedEvil is hiding his shit up his butt... truth in advertising ;)
[19:34:17] <Jymmm> "proof is in the pudding" lmao
[19:46:48] <MacGalempsy> so back to PID tuning
[19:54:53] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: oh really? lol
[21:37:41] <PetefromTn_> Well what's goin on in linuxCNC land today? ;)
[21:38:57] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: I need to go test my lathe, but I'm being lazy
[21:39:16] <Wolf_Mill> breaking stuff...
[21:39:29] <PetefromTn_> that sucks
[21:39:58] <PetefromTn_> I finally got my Cast iron job finished and proofed. Made the first test run tonight. Seems to have worked quite well so far.
[21:39:59] <Wolf_Mill> ok, not really breaking stuff, did have a pipe plug break this AM on me on my hotwater heater
[21:41:20] <Wolf_Mill> think I have my limit switchs figured out, now to figure out where to put em
[21:45:21] <PetefromTn_> what sort of machine is it?
[21:47:50] <furrywolf> the more I think about how much work limit switches on my machine would be, the more I like the idea of just gluing switches to rare earth magnets and sticking them to the ways. :)
[21:48:59] <PetefromTn_> Well that is of course up to you but I would go thru the motions and install some quality limits and homes on the machine you will be far happier in the end...
[21:49:00] <furrywolf> they ought to stick quite well to all that thick cast iron...
[21:49:18] <furrywolf> quality switches would be appropriate on a quality machine.
[21:49:21] <furrywolf> not a bent chinese machine.
[21:50:42] <PetefromTn_> like I said it's up to you..
[21:51:45] <Wolf_Mill> mine is a x1
[21:51:54] <XXCoder> my machine is alum so not a option for me lol
[21:52:00] <furrywolf> I hate drilling and tapping cast iron. :P
[21:52:19] <PetefromTn_> it actually drills and taps pretty easy...
[21:52:21] <Wolf_Mill> eh why, its like drilling butter
[21:52:33] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/M6H62Wa.jpg
[21:52:53] <Wolf_Mill> my problem is the damn machine is so small
[21:52:55] <furrywolf> butter that randomly explodes!
[21:53:53] <Wolf_Mill> I did 10x drill & taps in the top of it already, some sections were around 1/4" wide...
[21:54:51] <Wolf_Mill> not like you are making a 1/2-20 hole for a limit switch
[21:55:37] <Wolf_Mill> heck, do 4-40 and use nylon screws for the limit switchs
[21:57:13] <furrywolf> my experience with cast iron is broken parts.
[21:57:37] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/JILty5k.jpg
[21:58:01] <furrywolf> drill bit catches breaking through... time for a new part! etc
[21:59:14] <Wolf_Mill> small screws arent bad, anything over 5/16 on the other hand...
[22:00:50] <furrywolf> I could use hard drive magnets... those suckers are STRONG.
[22:01:36] <Wolf_Mill> get really furry in the shop too
[22:01:47] <PetefromTn_> I have broken bits in it before too but always was able to get it out..
[22:02:28] <Wolf_Mill> I'm good at breaking taps in alum
[22:02:32] <PetefromTn_> just keep retracting and keep it lubricated good and you should have no problems. It is only when I pushed it that I broke stuff
[22:03:47] <PetefromTn_> in aluminum I have found that the quality spiral point and spiral flute taps work awesome and cut like butter when using a decent tapping fluid.
[22:04:38] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, I really want some, need to pay off the last mess of stuff I ordered first lol
[22:05:10] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: I don't mind breaking bits. I mind breaking the casting! seems to be the standard result of hand drilling cast iron...
[22:05:15] <Wolf_Mill> pulled the trigger on a set of er32 collets and collet chuck for my lathe
[22:05:45] <PetefromTn_> woah never broke a casting drilling into it before..
[22:05:53] <Wolf_Mill> same here...
[22:06:03] <t12> same
[22:06:21] <furrywolf> bits snag breaking through, and something gives. usually the most expensive part.
[22:06:23] <t12> cast iron dustyness i think helps
[22:10:31] <furrywolf> I'm not sure where to put the switches, either... I might just live without switches.
[22:10:39] <furrywolf> being able to home Z would be especially nice, though.
[22:13:00] <Wolf_Mill> z should be the easy one to limit switch
[22:13:23] <furrywolf> not much to hit, or place to attach anything...
[22:13:34] <XXCoder> fur I read something like that, a metal wire and plate so tool would trigger a pin when it touches
[22:14:12] <XXCoder> and automated linuxcnc script
[22:14:32] <Wolf_Mill> touch off plate
[22:14:36] <furrywolf> I want a tool length sensor too, but that's unrelated to this.
[22:15:05] <PetefromTn_> honestly on a knee mill there is usually places where manual stops existed before that you can use for limits and homes pretty readily
[22:15:46] <furrywolf> I'll probably need to mount a tab off the side of the spindle to trigger a limit switch
[22:15:56] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: I don't plan on cncing my knee mill... this is for the shoptask. heh.
[22:16:27] <PetefromTn_> really? Wow I would not have quessed that
[22:16:31] <malcom2073> Went to an auction today, saw a damn near perfect condition bridgeport clone and grizzly clone go for $700 each
[22:16:42] <malcom2073> Depressing
[22:16:47] <XXCoder> cheap
[22:17:03] <PetefromTn_> what's depressing about that?
[22:17:16] <XXCoder> he not one buying it
[22:17:17] <malcom2073> I don't have room for them! :P
[22:17:22] <XXCoder> or that lol
[22:17:38] <malcom2073> Both were gotten by one of the auctioneers that was bidding. I feel like they were driving prices up, they tried REALLY hard to get a bid after he bid that one
[22:18:00] <furrywolf> the knee mill is too worn out to cnc without a complete refurbishing, and looks like it'd be a pretty hard conversion... plus it already has completely working 3-axis power feed.
[22:19:00] <furrywolf> you shouldn't need backlash compensation of a full turn of the handwheel. :)
[22:19:24] <PetefromTn_> that's why you swap to ballscrews ;)
[22:19:41] <furrywolf> or just keep it as a manual machine. :)
[22:20:05] <furrywolf> the Y leadscrew is worn out. X is perfect. the square-topped threads on Y look more like a 60 degree thread now...
[22:20:07] <Wolf_Mill> guess you are never climb milling then
[22:20:35] <furrywolf> I can only imagine it was used for a lot of production Y cuts and no X cuts...
[22:20:52] <PetefromTn_> that is unusual I would say
[22:20:58] <furrywolf> yes
[22:21:43] <PetefromTn_> incidentally that brand new nice solid carbide drill and Carbide Tipped reamer did their jobs specatcularly LOL
[22:22:27] <furrywolf> and, of course, the machine is so old that absolutely no parts are available, so any replacements have to be adapted/fabbed.
[22:22:56] <Wolf_Mill> ball screw mod time then
[22:23:04] <PetefromTn_> exactly
[22:23:09] <furrywolf> that'll screw up the power feed rates. :P
[22:23:16] <PetefromTn_> screw em
[22:23:31] <renesis> i see what you did there
[22:23:32] <Wolf_Mill> replace with servos
[22:23:38] <furrywolf> it has 18 power feed rates plus rapids...
[22:23:50] <PetefromTn_> and CNC has infinite ones ;)
[22:24:07] <Wolf_Mill> free DRO included too
[22:24:32] <furrywolf> nah. I'm going to keep it as a manual machine, and look for a used VMC.
[22:24:39] <PetefromTn_> WOAH
[22:24:57] <furrywolf> the amount of money and work it'd take to make it nice exceeds what I can get an already-nice machine for.
[22:25:03] <PetefromTn_> I thought you said you did not even have a place to put this machine?
[22:25:24] <furrywolf> I bribed a relative to let me stick stuff in his shop by telling him he can use it. :P
[22:25:30] <furrywolf> that's where the knee mill is now.
[22:25:34] <PetefromTn_> that would work on me heh
[22:26:04] <furrywolf> unfortunately he has no use for a planer, so my nice 3hp 15x6 planer is still under a tarp in the driveway.
[22:26:38] <furrywolf> (nice is relative... it's a grizzly)
[22:26:51] <PetefromTn_> I had an 8x20 spiral head until I sold my woodshop stuff
[22:29:41] <furrywolf> it may be a grizzly, but it's still 500lbs, which puts it into the "hard to move" category.
[22:30:58] <furrywolf> I wish I had a shop. one of these days I really want to be able to afford a house...
[22:32:56] <ffurrywol> I wish I had a shop. one of these days I really want to be able to afford a house...
[22:35:31] <ffurrywol> grrrr.
[22:35:33] <ffurrywol> I wish I had a shop. one of these days I really want to be able to afford a house...
[22:35:46] <renesis> that got through three times
[22:36:02] <furrywolf> heh, my connection dropped twice.
[22:46:18] <Jymmm> furrywolf: aren't price in your area reasonable?
[22:50:32] <furrywolf> no
[22:51:24] <Jymmm> maybe soem improved land and shipping containers?
[22:51:46] <furrywolf> land is the expensive part.
[22:54:13] <furrywolf> and permits.
[22:54:22] <furrywolf> permits can easily exceed the cost of construction
[23:07:46] <Wolf_Mill> t12: 3/4 locline works good
[23:10:50] <MacGalempsy> suggestions please. I need to enable this drive, which requires 12-24V, Optically Isolated, Single ended, Active High, 4.5mA nominal (10mA max) Minimum ON time =1.5 msex
[23:11:01] <MacGalempsy> msec
[23:11:30] <MacGalempsy> anyone know how I can find an output with such a small currentl?
[23:11:54] <Wolf_Mill> thats the drivers draw
[23:12:26] <MacGalempsy> when I put 24v from the psa there is a thermal fault
[23:12:30] <MacGalempsy> spu
[23:12:33] <MacGalempsy> psu
[23:12:55] <Wolf_Mill> on the driver, as soon as you give it power?
[23:13:15] <MacGalempsy> it is a vfd
[23:13:39] <MacGalempsy> the whole thing is powered, but when I hit the Enable with 24v there is a IMPFalt
[23:13:57] <Wolf_Mill> does it happen to have a temp sensor for the motor?
[23:15:41] <MacGalempsy> i am sure it does. there are 5 things that show an IMP fault
[23:16:00] <MacGalempsy> motor cables shorted, motor winding shorted internally
[23:16:04] <MacGalempsy> drive temp too high
[23:16:22] <MacGalempsy> operation above continunuous power rating
[23:16:30] <MacGalempsy> output short circuit or overcurrent
[23:16:34] <furrywolf> I'm not sure why you're figuring something wrong with your signal is causing this error.
[23:17:28] <Wolf_Mill> sounds like, wired wrong, or fried board
[23:17:36] <MacGalempsy> hmm
[23:17:49] <furrywolf> or bad motor
[23:17:51] <MacGalempsy> i followed the connections
[23:17:57] <furrywolf> does it do it with the motor disconnected?
[23:18:07] <MacGalempsy> let me check
[23:19:46] <Wolf_Mill> :) this column top cap looks so much better now that I countersunk the screws
[23:20:14] * furrywolf finds zilch trying to google impfault
[23:20:48] <Wolf_Mill> hard to do that with no model number lol
[23:23:17] <MacGalempsy> it does fault without the motor plugged in
[23:24:58] <Wolf_Mill> same faults?
[23:26:43] <MacGalempsy> yes
[23:26:54] <MacGalempsy> just one fault
[23:31:05] <furrywolf> check all your power wiring, input voltage, etc. you could also have a bad drive...
[23:36:54] <MacGalempsy> going to disconnect the RST&G and try again
[23:37:27] <Wolf_Mill> what driver is it
[23:43:05] <MacGalempsy> ok I totally disconnected it from everything except the 220v, and it still faults, so it must be the drive....
[23:43:20] <MacGalempsy> Electrocraft DDM-019
[23:44:28] <MacGalempsy> is there a generic drive that will work with allen bradley servos?
[23:45:39] <furrywolf> 300 page manual. fun.
[23:46:07] <MacGalempsy> yeah, I have it here. check page 11-4
[23:46:09] <MacGalempsy> at the bottom
[23:46:37] * furrywolf notes "replace drive" is the last step on the troubleshooting chart
[23:46:44] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[23:46:50] <MacGalempsy> that is the sucky part
[23:47:17] <MacGalempsy> I see a drive on ebay for 300 and the garuntee it works
[23:47:48] <MacGalempsy> new is 9k
[23:48:40] <Wolf_Mill> lol i'm in the hardware/software requirements page... A DOS computer with a 286 microprocessor 3½ inch, 1.44MB floppy disk drive
[23:49:09] <MacGalempsy> hahah. it was a bitch but I did get it working with an OLD laptop
[23:49:25] <MacGalempsy> but in the end there as a touchpad on ebay that makes it easier
[23:49:28] <Wolf_Mill> Microsoft Windows version 3.1 lol
[23:50:32] <MacGalempsy> i guess i'll keep an eye on the ebay auction because it cant be fixed for 300
[23:51:07] <furrywolf> you can try popping it open and inspecting for obvious failures
[23:51:18] <MacGalempsy> thats a good idea
[23:51:30] <MacGalempsy> the auction ends in 5 days
[23:52:52] <furrywolf> it might also trip on open motor circuit, depending on how you read the manual
[23:53:02] <furrywolf> try measuring motor resistance from the wiring at the drive?
[23:54:55] <furrywolf> but a fried drive seems most likely from what I'm reading.
[23:55:06] <furrywolf> zeeshan will help. he's the expert on frying drives. :)
[23:56:20] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
