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[00:05:07] <zeeshan> pcw_home: my plasma cutter has pins 1 and 2 which you use to turn on the plasma cutter, 9 and 10 which closes when the pilot arc transfers to cutting arc, and has an overcurrent voltage of 200V
[00:06:00] <zeeshan> it uses a blow-back type start
[00:06:07] <zeeshan> should i be getting the thcad 300V?
[00:06:28] <XXCoder> I don't know what that is, but yes. ;)
[00:06:30] <zeeshan> also, would the output from 7i76 go directly into turning on pins 1 and 2?
[00:06:53] <zeeshan> and would i be putting the "pilot arc to cutting arc -- aka arc ok signal" into an input on the 7i76?
[00:07:00] <zeeshan> would appreciate your help on this :)
[00:08:30] <zeeshan> hi xxcoder :P
[00:10:07] <zeeshan> theres two pins 5 and 7 which provide the raw voltage, or pins 4 and 6 which provide either 1/16 or 1/50 arc voltage
[01:04:50] <Jymmm> Ok, got the seal back in at least =)
[01:06:00] <just_pink> hi
[01:07:30] <zeeshan> hi
[01:08:36] <XXCoder> nice just_pink
[01:08:40] <XXCoder> er Jymmm
[01:09:05] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Yes Sir?
[01:09:36] <XXCoder> was saying nice but mis-dinged pink lol
[01:09:49] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Oh, heh... no worries
[01:10:24] <Jymmm> I had watched the wrong video (sorta), so when I pulled the rod, the spider gears fell out too =(
[01:10:26] <just_pink> my BF sleepping, and now I need to wait for tomorrow to do the test with the new g-code
[01:10:27] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/3Le1Zpb.jpg
[01:10:33] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/8zC4LA0.jpg
[01:10:36] <Jymmm> Now, I'm trying to figure out how they go back in =)
[01:10:38] <zeeshan> this fixture is coming together
[01:10:39] <zeeshan> hooray
[01:11:01] <zeeshan> Jymmm: glad to see axle seal back in
[01:11:01] <zeeshan> :)
[01:11:03] <just_pink> zeeshan: what is that??
[01:11:14] <zeeshan> fixture to hold the parts
[01:11:16] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Yeah, me too =)
[01:11:51] <Jymmm> zeeshan: on your fixture... Could I suggest that you add a end section to give it some rigidity?
[01:12:01] <just_pink> zeeshan: but what is the part??
[01:12:12] <zeeshan> just_pink: handle for somethin
[01:12:20] <zeeshan> Jymmm: end section?
[01:12:22] <Wolf_Mill> injection moulded turds
[01:12:33] <Jymmm> zeeshan: like a end plate
[01:12:33] <zeeshan> that is steel plate Jymmm
[01:12:42] <zeeshan> oh
[01:12:48] <zeeshan> the middle rib is welded in
[01:12:51] <Jymmm> zeeshan: is the "L" one solid piece?
[01:12:52] <zeeshan> should be strong enough :P
[01:12:54] <zeeshan> yes
[01:12:58] <zeeshan> all welded
[01:13:00] <Jymmm> zeeshan: ok, nm =)
[01:13:08] <just_pink> http://www.theperfumeshop.com/pws/images/catalogue/products/2385/large/2385.jpg
[01:13:10] <Jymmm> zeeshan: how thick?
[01:13:13] <zeeshan> 1/2
[01:13:22] <Wolf_Mill> angle part will act as a gusset anyways
[01:13:25] <zeeshan> cutting forces are low
[01:13:25] <Jymmm> eeeesh, yeah, totally nm =)
[01:13:26] <just_pink> for me it's look like this^
[01:13:28] <zeeshan> 100lb or so
[01:13:33] <zeeshan> i calculated a thou deflection
[01:13:36] <zeeshan> should be ok
[01:13:57] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Yeah, I would hope so, I thought it was alum you bolted together
[01:14:08] <Wolf_Mill> not like they need to be 5 thou tolarance :P
[01:14:10] <zeeshan> haha
[01:14:15] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: yea man
[01:14:18] <zeeshan> there are going to nasa
[01:14:19] <zeeshan> !
[01:14:44] <Jymmm> zeeshan: outter space vapes!!!
[01:14:54] <Wolf_Mill> I asked earlier, any suggestions for CAM software?
[01:15:04] <zeeshan> nasa : never a straight answer
[01:15:05] <zeeshan> :)
[01:15:09] <just_pink> zeeshan: you make wood vesion to the Jean Paul Gaultier perfume?
[01:15:20] <zeeshan> justanotheruser:
[01:15:22] <zeeshan> justpink
[01:15:24] <zeeshan> you know my GOOD friend
[01:15:28] <zeeshan> just mentioned that to me today
[01:15:33] <zeeshan> and it does look similar!
[01:15:56] <zeeshan> has no boobs though
[01:16:17] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Your NEXT project... Cone boob perfume http://www.wysinfo.com/Perfume/picts/Jean_Paul_Gaultier5_550_640.JPG
[01:16:42] <ve7it> anyone remember a guy name Mike Lyle from around 2005 on this channel?
[01:17:03] <Jymmm> ve7it: HEy Lawrence
[01:17:11] <ve7it> hi Jymmm
[01:17:28] <zeeshan> wow that's a crazy design
[01:17:29] <Jymmm> ve7it: I have logs, what you need?
[01:17:38] <just_pink> zeeshan: other than perfume.. i think it can be some sort of a lighter?
[01:17:38] <ve7it> I see you are having fun with trucks!
[01:17:49] <zeeshan> just_pink: do you know what vapes are?
[01:17:54] <zeeshan> this is vape
[01:17:57] <zeeshan> in a fancy case
[01:18:01] <Jymmm> ve7it: Yes, yes I am.... NOT! (damn $7 seal)
[01:18:43] <just_pink> what is a "vape"??
[01:18:48] <Jymmm> ve7it: My irc logs are zipped if they are more than a year old. Is there something you needed specifically?
[01:18:49] <Wolf_Mill> e-cig
[01:19:06] <ve7it> Jymmm, I am looking at some old code that Mike and I were working on for a 3 phase servo driver.... I was wondering if he is still active with linucnc
[01:19:19] <just_pink> some smoking device?
[01:19:48] <zeeshan> yes
[01:20:01] <Jymmm> ve7it: do you know his nick?
[01:20:10] <Jymmm> ve7it: do you know his IRC nick?
[01:20:34] <just_pink> zeeshan: I'm smoking only PAM
[01:20:37] <Wolf_Mill> just_pink: sorta like http://i.imgur.com/jUQTUht.jpg
[01:20:58] <ve7it> Jymmm, I have no idea where he was from... just found his name in the old code. No idea on nick....... The code was an EPP parallel interface to a dspic controller
[01:21:37] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: you vape/
[01:21:45] <Wolf_Mill> yup
[01:21:48] <Jymmm> ve7it: Let me see what I got
[01:21:52] <zeeshan> cool
[01:22:03] <zeeshan> apparently its becoming a very big market
[01:22:22] <Wolf_Mill> I quit smoking real cigs about 4 yrs ago
[01:22:26] <zeeshan> good
[01:22:28] <zeeshan> those are bad :P
[01:22:34] <Jymmm> ve7it: Wait, 2005, wouldn't that be #emc ?
[01:22:37] <just_pink> Wolf_Mill: I'm sure the Apollo space shuttle use less electronics than this "vape"
[01:22:40] <renesis> e cigs prob arent good
[01:22:44] <renesis> less bad for sure
[01:22:49] <Wolf_Mill> really there isnt much too them
[01:22:58] <zeeshan> there isn't
[01:23:01] <ve7it> Jymmm, yes EMC
[01:23:09] <zeeshan> its just atomizing fluid :P
[01:23:25] <Wolf_Mill> this one is just s tube with a battery ://http://i.imgur.com/mdqRIoR.jpg
[01:23:37] <renesis> my mod just has a spring and a brass cylinder as a switch
[01:23:40] <Jymmm> ve7it: #emc or #emc-devel?
[01:23:40] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: was that vape expensive?
[01:24:05] <ve7it> Jymmm, not sure
[01:24:10] <Jymmm> ve7it: k
[01:24:12] <just_pink> Wolf_Mill: why you use it?
[01:24:32] <Wolf_Mill> mine range from $36-$200 for the "mod" half (battery/tube/electronics)
[01:24:39] <zeeshan> ah
[01:24:42] <zeeshan> can you tell me something
[01:24:47] <zeeshan> what do "high end" vapes go for?
[01:24:50] <zeeshan> the ones collectors have
[01:24:54] <Wolf_Mill> stupid $$
[01:24:56] <zeeshan> i wanna see if this guy is lieing
[01:25:00] <zeeshan> or being serious with me
[01:25:27] <renesis> its like a bong at some point you selling status
[01:25:30] <Wolf_Mill> authentic limited runs $500-1000
[01:25:32] <renesis> or an iphone
[01:25:42] <zeeshan> i came on this website
[01:25:47] <zeeshan> that shows prices anywhere from 550
[01:25:47] <Jymmm> ve7it: got a month in 2005 ?
[01:25:48] <zeeshan> to 1000
[01:26:20] <Wolf_Mill> I'm a DGAF kinda user, long as the thing works
[01:26:31] <zeeshan> dgaf?
[01:26:40] <Wolf_Mill> dont give a f...
[01:26:40] <Jymmm> dont give a fuck = dgaf
[01:26:46] <zeeshan> ah
[01:26:47] <renesis> they might not move a lot of those, most people buy clones of shit that work fine
[01:26:54] <zeeshan> well there is functional stuff
[01:26:58] <zeeshan> and then theres genuine stuff
[01:27:00] <zeeshan> its like watches
[01:27:07] <zeeshan> you can buy a knock off and tell the time and it looks good
[01:27:09] <zeeshan> or you can buy the real thing
[01:27:13] <zeeshan> and be a fancy pants
[01:27:34] <Jymmm> ve7it: While the name shows 'linuxcnc', there was none in 2005. So I suspect the name was change from '##emc' http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/index-2005.html
[01:27:38] <renesis> wolf_mill: i paid under $40 for my mod and its survived more than a year, pretty happy
[01:27:54] <zeeshan> why do you guys call it a mod
[01:27:57] <zeeshan> ??
[01:28:14] <Wolf_Mill> yup, well, I do electronics so I got clones knowing I can swap in authentic control boards at $35 vs $200-250 for a genunie hana-mod
[01:28:18] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Vaping started by modding maglight flashlights
[01:28:25] <renesis> mechanical mod, because thats what the ecig forums called them
[01:28:34] <zeeshan> what are you modding though
[01:28:38] <zeeshan> youre buying something
[01:28:40] <zeeshan> not modding it? :P
[01:28:45] <renesis> its just a term
[01:28:55] <Jymmm> zeeshan: a mod is basically the battery pack (essencially)
[01:29:12] <Wolf_Mill> at the start the mech mods were all home built jobs
[01:29:21] <renesis> it doesnt make sense because most of them are custom fabricated
[01:29:22] <Jymmm> some still are
[01:30:01] <renesis> so yeah, initial it meant modified battery with a mechanical switch
[01:30:07] <zeeshan> you think this thing will sell?
[01:30:10] <just_pink> I can't understand it,
[01:30:13] <zeeshan> he seems to think it will
[01:30:19] <zeeshan> and has apparently 20 buyers already
[01:30:21] <Wolf_Mill> if the guy is known
[01:30:24] <renesis> now it means mechanical switch battery, prob 18650
[01:30:26] <Wolf_Mill> probably
[01:30:39] <renesis> just like bongs
[01:30:52] <zeeshan> i think itll look a lot better than whats out there for "high end mods"
[01:30:59] <zeeshan> once it's in stablized wood form
[01:31:11] <zeeshan> most of the high end one are very simple shapes
[01:31:28] <zeeshan> but sometimes simple is best
[01:31:31] <renesis> durable
[01:31:41] <zeeshan> do you think durability is really a factor?
[01:31:41] <just_pink> It's basicly burn oil?
[01:31:51] <zeeshan> considering this is just a fancy mod
[01:31:52] <renesis> wood sounds like something i would smash in a month
[01:31:55] <zeeshan> more so something you look at
[01:32:02] <zeeshan> rather than use daily
[01:32:10] <renesis> just_pink: propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine
[01:32:17] <zeeshan> wtf
[01:32:18] <renesis> basically smoke machine fluid
[01:32:21] <zeeshan> gross :P
[01:32:38] <renesis> wtf gross youre the one all into it now
[01:32:45] <zeeshan> lol
[01:32:49] <zeeshan> i just hope he sells some
[01:32:51] <renesis> i just do 100% vg, unflavored
[01:32:55] <zeeshan> cause im gonna have all this time invested into jig
[01:33:03] <renesis> way more worried about the flavor chems than the nicotine
[01:33:04] <zeeshan> so if he wants more, itll be relatively simple to make more
[01:33:08] <just_pink> you breathe oil vapors??
[01:33:14] <renesis> its not oil
[01:33:18] <renesis> and yeah
[01:33:40] <ve7it> Jymmm, Nov 2005 maybe some chat in Oct as the code is labeled Nov 5 first version M. Lyle
[01:34:35] <renesis> zeeshan: assuming you make something gorgeous, its more about how its marketed and distributed
[01:34:37] <just_pink> I'm not sure it's smart to get it inside the body anyway..
[01:34:44] <renesis> a salesman can sell a turd
[01:34:59] <zeeshan> the only reason i like it
[01:35:03] <zeeshan> is because the shape is complex
[01:35:08] <zeeshan> its very hard to make
[01:35:25] <zeeshan> which should really be a level up in the market
[01:35:33] <zeeshan> cause right now it's simple stuff
[01:35:36] <just_pink> zeeshan: you also use it?
[01:35:39] <zeeshan> hell no
[01:35:43] <zeeshan> i never will smoke
[01:35:47] <zeeshan> or do drugs! :P
[01:35:48] <just_pink> good!
[01:36:00] <zeeshan> but i really support this because
[01:36:10] <zeeshan> real cigarrettes are worse
[01:36:13] <zeeshan> so is a bit better
[01:36:21] <renesis> this means i can smoke indoors at work
[01:36:51] <renesis> 'you can do that inside?' me: 'no one has said anything yet'
[01:37:06] <just_pink> mercury and lead much better,
[01:37:13] <XXCoder> sweet lead
[01:37:23] <XXCoder> it was first artifical sweetener ya know
[01:37:30] <XXCoder> lead crystals
[01:37:33] <just_pink> I know,
[01:37:39] <renesis> im the prototype monkey so i prob spend half the day solder wrapped around my finger
[01:37:44] <Jymmm> ve7it: Best I can offer, good luck http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/
[01:37:59] <XXCoder> renesis: pretty good percent of solders dont have lead niw
[01:38:15] <ve7it> Jymmm, found you and me chatting on Nov 2 2005
[01:38:16] <Jymmm> ve7it: My person logs only go back to 2009 on this coimputer
[01:38:20] <XXCoder> also on skin isnt too bad, its when lead gets in you that theres problem
[01:38:23] <Jymmm> ve7it: lol
[01:38:27] <renesis> heh i dont work in service i work in r&d, i buy the leaded kester
[01:38:36] * Wolf_Mill is a welder/metal fabricator/truck mech, I'm sure I breath in worse shit then the vape
[01:38:36] <XXCoder> lol ok
[01:38:44] <ve7it> Jymmm, I was using LawrenceG as a nick at the time
[01:38:51] <renesis> i only use lead free if its rework going back out to customers
[01:38:51] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: haha
[01:39:00] <Jymmm> ve7it: =)
[01:39:08] <zeeshan> i aprpeciate the feedback
[01:39:13] <zeeshan> makes me feel better about this
[01:39:13] <Wolf_Mill> plus I was at a pack a day... but me - nicotine isnt pleasent
[01:39:18] <just_pink> and amalgam contine large amount of mercury
[01:39:18] <zeeshan> been iffy throughout the process about this
[01:39:28] <renesis> i was like half a pack
[01:39:49] <just_pink> shit,, we are going to die.. (at the end)
[01:39:53] <renesis> im maybe down to a pack every could months
[01:40:02] <renesis> whatever im not gonna die
[01:40:04] <renesis> u die
[01:40:05] <XXCoder> just_pink: elemental mecury isnt too bad
[01:40:13] <XXCoder> just_pink: organic mecury now thats bad stuff
[01:40:22] <XXCoder> fishes that have mecury has latter
[01:42:09] <just_pink> I'm eat subway most of the time..
[01:42:13] <zeeshan> a little bit of salt and lead on your fries
[01:42:15] <zeeshan> aint gonna hurt you
[01:42:18] <zeeshan> delicious fries
[01:42:40] <renesis> for the burrito
[01:42:46] <renesis> for the shawarma pita
[01:42:56] <renesis> fries for all of the foods
[01:43:02] <XXCoder> yeah not eating lead anytime soon
[01:43:03] * Wolf_Mill worrys more about Dihydrogen Monoxide intake
[01:43:11] <XXCoder> my brain sucks enough already
[01:43:18] <XXCoder> Wolf_Mill: yah that is found in all cancers
[01:43:22] <renesis> no joke i am so out of water how will i coffee in the morning
[01:43:31] <XXCoder> all rivers lakes. can't drink without that in it
[01:44:05] <XXCoder> in fact water I drink has large percent of DHMO in it
[01:44:10] <just_pink> I'm never ass salt to the food
[01:44:29] <XXCoder> yeah nobody ass salts food :D
[01:44:43] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[01:44:50] <just_pink> how i can make 8 mm long and 1.5mm diameter endmill for plastic
[01:45:17] <XXCoder> make a endmill? HSS is generally best for alum or weaker materials so HSS I guess
[01:45:19] <renesis> just buy it?
[01:45:31] <Wolf_Mill> 1.5mm would be fun to DIY
[01:45:32] <ve7it> Jymmm, I think his nick was icee... some chat on Nov 3 2005
[01:45:33] <zeeshan> ass in food
[01:45:34] <zeeshan> awesome
[01:45:59] <zeeshan> just_pink: why do you make so many typos :P
[01:46:14] <just_pink> 2mm also will be ok i think.
[01:46:29] <zeeshan> also why do you talk in mm when youre in usa
[01:46:30] <zeeshan> :{
[01:46:31] <Wolf_Mill> nice almost have all the crap off the old bench... too bad the new one is in the way to get the old out out
[01:47:12] <Wolf_Mill> still wondering about some cam software suggestions...
[01:47:19] <zeeshan> free?
[01:47:30] <archivist> inside rear of skull cam
[01:47:38] <just_pink> my machine in in mm, and just to think abut center somthing in inchs..
[01:47:43] <Wolf_Mill> probably or not too insanely priced
[01:48:00] <just_pink> 3/8 divided by 2
[01:48:11] <Wolf_Mill> 0.375/2
[01:48:24] <Jymmm> ve7it: Cool, glad oyu found it =)
[01:48:35] <just_pink> 0.1875
[01:48:45] <just_pink> now 10mm / 2
[01:48:47] <just_pink> 5mm
[01:48:51] <just_pink> sooo simple
[01:49:01] <zeeshan> fractions are too hard for you? :P
[01:49:10] <ve7it> Jymmm, is there a bot on this channel to tell me if icee has been seen?
[01:49:17] <zeeshan> !seen icee
[01:49:17] <the_wench> last seen in 2013-01-28 20:56:27GMT 838:59:59 ago, saying Read error: Connection reset by peer
[01:49:31] <Jymmm> !seen icee
[01:49:32] <the_wench> last seen in 2013-01-28 20:56:27GMT 838:59:59 ago, saying Read error: Connection reset by peer
[01:49:32] <zeeshan> !seen zeeshan
[01:49:32] <the_wench> last seen in #linuxcnc 2015-08-24 07:26:07GMT 00:00:15 ago, saying !seen icee
[01:49:33] <Wolf_Mill> must be nice, most of my prjects never have round numbers, even in metric
[01:49:37] <archivist> see him more often in ##electronics
[01:49:46] <zeeshan> !seen zeeshan i am not a bot
[01:49:47] <the_wench> last seen in #linuxcnc 2015-08-24 07:26:22GMT 00:00:14 ago, saying !seen zeeshan
[01:49:50] <zeeshan> :{
[01:49:58] <just_pink> zeeshan: not hard.. but waste of time
[01:50:12] <zeeshan> :P
[01:50:14] <XXCoder> !seen XXCoder
[01:50:14] <the_wench> last seen in #linuxcnc 2015-08-24 07:22:07GMT 00:04:57 ago, saying make a endmill? HSS is generally best for alum or weaker materials so HSS I guess
[01:50:18] <ve7it> thanks guys
[01:50:25] <zeeshan> lol
[01:50:26] <zeeshan> wtf
[01:51:24] <Jymmm> ve7it: nickname icee, login ~mlyle, real name michael f lyle, sign on 2015-08-22
[01:51:32] <just_pink> I need to make very narrow slots in acrylic
[01:51:53] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, thinking cam software of some sort might be a good idea, or I'll be milling with a joypad...
[01:52:06] <Jymmm> ve7it: mlyle AT lyle.org
[01:52:35] <Jymmm> ve7it: He's logged into irc currently
[01:52:36] <just_pink> 10mm by 2.5mm
[01:52:48] <Wolf_Mill> how deep of a slot?
[01:53:12] <just_pink> 1/4"
[01:53:24] <Wolf_Mill> and do he ends of the slot need to be squared off or is it a full pass?
[01:53:33] <archivist> us the shortest cutter you can
[01:53:50] <just_pink> yes, i need it square
[01:54:16] <archivist> need or want
[01:54:23] <archivist> very different
[01:54:24] <ve7it> Jymmm, thanks.... I see he is logged in to ##electronics, but not awake at the moment
[01:54:28] <just_pink> need
[01:54:36] <Jymmm> ve7it: =)
[01:54:43] <just_pink> have to be..
[01:54:58] <ve7it> past my bed time as well see y'all later
[01:54:59] <just_pink> usless if it;s not square
[01:55:15] <just_pink> archivist: ^^ :)
[01:55:35] <archivist> make what fits in have rounded ends
[01:56:26] <Wolf_Mill> - try 1/16" 0.0625 endmill @ enco
[01:56:49] <just_pink> what abolu t making endmill from brass?
[01:56:52] <archivist> or have some clearance for rounded ends,
[01:57:07] <just_pink> i have 1/8" brass rod.
[01:57:12] <archivist> brass is just silly
[01:57:16] <Wolf_Mill> http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INLMK32?PARTPG=INSRAR2 like $8 for carbide
[01:57:31] <just_pink> archivist: I think just file the ends.
[01:57:52] <Wolf_Mill> going to file the flutes in as well?
[01:58:06] <Wolf_Mill> plus the brass will bend before it cuts
[01:58:24] <archivist> nah jut does not care for the chip clearance and jamming
[01:58:26] <just_pink> I want to make just 24 slots.
[01:58:39] <Wolf_Mill> acrylic is more of a bitch to cut then alum sometimes
[01:58:55] <archivist> exactly
[02:00:04] <just_pink> I want to freeze it
[02:00:45] <just_pink> I hope the acrylic can handle cold temps.
[02:00:47] <Wolf_Mill> also to get a 10mm doc you might need to get pcb mill/sharps
[02:01:37] <Wolf_Mill> looks like longest doc for standard 1/16 is 3/16(4.7mm)
[02:04:01] <just_pink> what about holding the dremel in the machine vise and remove some material from the side of 1/8 drill bit?
[02:04:47] <archivist> just get proper tooling
[02:05:29] <Wolf_Mill> griding a bit down will just make a dull fluted rod thats nolonger tempered
[02:05:46] <just_pink> archivist: to mainstream..
[02:05:51] <XXCoder> how do you temper tool anyway
[02:05:55] <XXCoder> heat source?
[02:06:44] <Wolf_Mill> fancy oven
[02:07:06] <archivist> I think inexperience with plastic is showing
[02:07:20] <Wolf_Mill> I have a 1/16th pcb end mill around here somewhere... but I just moved everything so no idea where it is
[02:07:29] <XXCoder> heh I deal with fun material I call evil nylon
[02:07:42] <XXCoder> it has glass in it, other version also has steel powder in it
[02:07:51] <archivist> nylon is stringy as ffff
[02:08:01] <XXCoder> tools is set to run nylon but it eats tools pretty quickly
[02:09:12] <archivist> I made some helicals http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=fan+gears
[02:09:41] <XXCoder> nice
[02:10:02] <XXCoder> I wonder if its possible to make that riciously expensive "bladeless" fan
[02:10:07] <XXCoder> $800 for smallish one
[02:10:08] <archivist> cutting the furries off is not fun
[02:10:23] <XXCoder> dont tell furrywolf that lol
[02:11:09] <just_pink> it's going to be 3.9 cubic centimeter
[02:11:53] <Wolf_Mill> just_pink: http://i.imgur.com/tiMCadA.jpg middle one is a pcb endmille
[02:11:53] <just_pink> or 0.237992602 cubic inches
[02:12:22] <just_pink> Wolf_Mill: where did you get it?
[02:12:53] <Wolf_Mill> ham radio show in a mix of sharps, but ebay works
[02:13:13] <Wolf_Mill> 1/8 and 3/8 mills for scale too
[02:13:42] <just_pink> Wolf_Mill: are you a ham radio?
[02:13:53] <Wolf_Mill> somewhat, use to be
[02:14:02] <just_pink> cool
[02:14:05] <XXCoder> im sure he isnt ham radio but ham radio operator ;)
[02:14:27] <just_pink> XXCoder: i know...
[02:14:31] <XXCoder> I probably would be ham radio hobbist if I was deaf, but same time dunno
[02:14:33] <fenn> ve7it: Jymmm: mike lyle is known as "icee" and is currently chatting on freenode
[02:14:40] <XXCoder> was largely kidding pink lol
[02:14:49] <Wolf_Mill> ham, SAR, RC stuff, multirotors, buildin stuff... I do I bit of everything
[02:15:13] <just_pink> very nice.
[02:15:46] <just_pink> we also..
[02:18:53] <deep_pink> hi again.. my computer make me troubles
[02:21:52] <deep_pink> acrylic can crack at the freezer?
[02:22:01] <Deejay> moin
[02:23:28] <deep_pink> hi Deejay
[02:23:34] <Deejay> hi pink
[02:26:57] <Wolf_Mill> well, that explains why my lathe works like shit http://i.imgur.com/Ly9F51I.jpg
[02:27:38] <Deejay> oops
[02:28:36] <fenn> ve7it: i have a partial copy of the pmwiki from 2006 including rev a2 schematics and gerbers
[02:29:52] <ve7it> fenn interesting.... any chance of getting copies?
[02:30:40] <fenn> one moment
[02:30:45] <deep_pink> Wolf_Mill: I can't understand why..
[02:31:11] <XXCoder> Wolf_Mill: way the top plate is curved?
[02:31:28] <XXCoder> or is it something else
[02:31:48] <archivist> its upside down the way fit is terrible
[02:32:08] <archivist> see left hand gap
[02:32:59] <fenn> ve7it: http://fennetic.net/irc/lyle_sanyo_p7_servo_driver_wiki.zip
[02:34:02] <archivist> I had a lathe with a similar problem and used a file to round one to fit the other
[02:34:31] <ve7it> fenn... mucho grachias
[02:34:59] <deep_pink> I'm going to sleep..
[02:35:27] <deep_pink> no more a vempire :)
[02:36:54] <fenn> ve7it: iirc anders wallin (awallin) was involved in the design, or had built his own version or something
[02:38:16] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, seems that the prior owner of said lathe didnt adjust the thing correctly, its actually cracked in 3 peices
[02:38:25] <ve7it> I have a version here that talks to the pc and the motor encoder and blinks leds for the pwm, but I never got a power stage going
[02:43:03] <archivist> ve7it, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/bldc_hall3.9.html
[02:46:08] <archivist> actually this now http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/bldc.9.html
[02:46:29] <XXCoder> Wolf_Mill: guess have to make new one? or buy?
[02:53:11] <fenn> my bad it's p5 servo not p7
[02:56:02] <fenn> discussing drivers for the p5 ac servo, it was andy55 not awallin http://www.cnczone.com/forums/servo-motors-drives/14673-international-rectifier-irmck201-2.html?pp=15
[02:56:36] <fenn> or maybe they are the same person
[02:58:18] <fenn> some more p5 links maybe in archive or still online http://www.students.tut.fi/%7Ekontkant/servodrive.php.html http://forums.donniebarnes.com/viewtopic.php?t=52 http://lyle.org/%7Emlyle/epp/main.c
[02:59:09] <fenn> oh interesting, "Couple of months ago me and one of my friends started running a company to manufacture and develop these drives further. For details please see our web site of Granite Devices."
[03:08:00] <fenn> http://www.anderswallin.net/2006/06/first-steps-with-brushless-servodrive-microchip-dspic-irf-irams/
[03:08:02] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, was thinking of just taking a peice of steel (1/4+) and backing a 1/8" peice of acetal to act as the gib
[03:08:51] <archivist> plastic gib...yuck
[03:09:19] <fenn> what's wrong with plastic gibs
[03:09:19] <Wolf_Mill> I would do brass but I dont have any the right size
[03:09:40] <fenn> call it turcite and charge twice as much
[03:09:42] <Wolf_Mill> plus I think the acetal will wear better
[03:12:20] <ve7it> fenn, thanks.... its all slowly coming back... must get to bed... thankyou for all your searching
[03:12:31] <fenn> no problem
[03:13:12] <fenn> i just wish i still had the p5 servos i bought
[03:13:14] <fenn> ha
[03:19:09] <XXCoder> just read about starlite
[03:19:17] <XXCoder> amazing. too bad inventor died with secret
[03:20:28] <XXCoder> http://itotd.com/articles/653/starlite/
[03:21:48] <Wolf_Mill> damn m6 bolts...
[03:23:11] <Deejay> damn?
[03:23:34] <Wolf_Mill> yeah I need some, have m5 no m6
[03:23:46] <Deejay> ah
[03:24:09] <Deejay> which length? i can hand over some... ;)
[03:24:21] <XXCoder> if only I had jumper abilities lol
[03:24:39] <XXCoder> any of you ever seen that movie? it sucked but book (not movie version) was awesome
[03:26:30] <Deejay> i like the movie (dunno the book)
[03:27:09] <XXCoder> dont read book it'll ruin movie
[03:27:11] <Wolf_Mill> all good Deejay I think they about to turn in to 1/4-20 holes
[03:27:29] <XXCoder> theres two books - jumper and reflux (not sure on second book title)
[03:30:30] <XXCoder> starlite test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxqFyDugqs4
[03:32:34] <XXCoder> amazing. egg should be well cooked
[03:48:45] <XXCoder> so.
[03:48:57] <XXCoder> anyone wanna invent a time viewer so we can recover starlite lol
[03:49:02] <XXCoder> just watch him as he makes it
[03:59:01] <fenn> i remember that, just one of a long line of incredible things never heard of again, down the memory hole
[03:59:20] <fenn> wonder what happened to EESTOR
[03:59:49] <XXCoder> I bet some is scam
[03:59:54] <XXCoder> but this well NASA test
[04:00:00] <XXCoder> so on. plenty of proof
[08:08:01] <Sync_> fenn: why not use the stmbl?
[08:48:24] * skunkworks hugs linuxcnc
[08:48:25] <skunkworks> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mach1mach2cnc/conversations/messages/148465
[08:55:15] <Wolf_> license, whats that? =D
[08:55:26] <PetefromTn_> heh
[08:59:38] <miss0r> I have after many hardworking hours managed to eliminate all play in my old arboga mill. (This includes the linuxcnc backlash compensation). Now I have it moving 1mm in each direction within 0.002mm. BUT, when I ask it to do a 0.5mm movement it seems I miss the spot with something like 0.05mm. What could be the cause of this?
[09:00:38] <skunkworks> what is the drive mechenism?
[09:02:56] <miss0r> it's stepper motors, a 1:6 belt drive and ballnuts
[09:03:15] <furrywolf> 6:1/
[09:03:16] <furrywolf> ?
[09:03:33] <miss0r> the gearing
[09:03:50] <skunkworks> what is your steps/mm?
[09:03:52] <Wolf_> one stepper turn = 6 on the screw?>
[09:04:25] <miss0r> other way around.
[09:04:31] <furrywolf> right, so 6:1, not 1:6. :P
[09:05:27] <miss0r> sorry. 1:8 ratio
[09:05:33] <miss0r> 8:1 that is ;)
[09:06:11] <Wolf_> ok, so whats the step per revolution on the motor and steps/mm
[09:07:04] * miss0r does some calculation (can't remember)
[09:07:31] <archivist> miss0r, http://www.archivist.info/cnc/screw_error/
[09:07:46] <Wolf_> most steppers are 1/8step so whats the screw pitch?
[09:07:48] <archivist> take many measurements to diagnose
[09:08:00] <miss0r> the screwpitch is 4
[09:08:09] <miss0r> and the stepper is 200steps/rev
[09:08:36] <archivist> using half step/ n microsteps?
[09:08:42] <miss0r> yes
[09:08:50] <archivist> to which
[09:08:55] <miss0r> to the part about 1/2 half steps :)
[09:09:14] <archivist> 400 steps per rev than
[09:09:54] <miss0r> indeed. (sorry about my lack of up front info, I have been busy and just yesterday put it back together after ~4month of doing nowthing)
[09:09:57] <miss0r> nothing*
[09:10:51] <miss0r> so 0.00125 mm/step if my calculations are correct
[09:12:37] <archivist> if you look at the tests I did on mine you see a number of artifacts that come into play, if you do enough measurements the error if any will jump out at you
[09:13:15] <miss0r> Looking at your site. thanks
[09:13:21] <ssi> morn
[09:13:21] <archivist> eg a drunk 4mm ball screw will have a 4mm periodic error
[09:13:51] <archivist> a reduction gear error will have a different period
[09:14:32] <miss0r> these are as chinese as they get. So I bet theres something in there.
[09:14:37] <archivist> belt tooth rate and gear off centre
[09:15:02] <skunkworks> .002" that gets harder to figure out..
[09:15:26] <miss0r> skunkworks: What are you getting at?
[09:16:21] <miss0r> if I manage to get this sorted out, I have an arrangement with a friend of mine; I will make a small aluminium ladder (20x20mm) with 5 steps on it, he will then measure it at work to see how well the mill does.
[09:17:40] <archivist> might be the odd bit of info about screw error of interest on http://www.archivist.info/cnc/screw_error/lamp_screw.php
[09:24:54] <archivist> http://www.archivist.info/cnc/screw_error/Glazebrook/fig65.jpg
[09:25:36] <archivist> that is from near the bottom of http://www.archivist.info/cnc/screw_error/Glazebrook.php
[09:26:24] <archivist> gear and tooth error will be similar even of a sawtooth form on the graph
[09:34:47] <miss0r> as a footnote, I aquired a discarted Danfoss VLT Micro Drive, that fits the size of my spindle engine. Hoping it will be good. I have, however, heard somewhere that not all motors can handle being driven by an inverter. Do you guys have some good advise?
[09:35:44] <zeeshan> spin indexer only used for hole positioning
[09:35:49] <zeeshan> or is it rigid enough for milling
[09:36:32] <ssi> I've used it for milling
[09:36:36] <ssi> but light stuff like flatting shafts
[09:36:56] <zeeshan> i need to slit something
[09:37:01] <zeeshan> the collet thingy im making
[09:37:07] <ssi> yeah that oughta work pretty well
[09:37:25] <zeeshan> it doesnt make sense for me to order a 5c collet block
[09:37:29] <zeeshan> when i can order the spin indexer for same price
[09:37:33] <archivist> miss0r, inverters drive 3 phase motors
[09:37:45] <ssi> collet block will be more rigid fwiw
[09:37:49] <archivist> just rewire from start to delta
[09:38:09] <archivist> star
[09:38:11] <zeeshan> i gotta divide in 8
[09:38:19] <zeeshan> i can only buy hex or square locally
[09:38:23] <zeeshan> need octagon!
[09:38:41] <archivist> make it
[09:38:46] <zeeshan> no
[09:39:44] <miss0r> archivist: yeah. they drive 3 phase motors. The spindle motor is a 3-phase
[09:40:50] <archivist> sometimes I have to strip the star point out(un taping the winding partially) to join delta
[09:42:46] <miss0r> archivist: this is supposed to be driven in star. it's only 230v per winding.
[09:50:10] <zeeshan> http://www.accusizetools.com/0225-0204-5c-spin-index/
[09:50:11] <zeeshan> wtf is th is
[09:50:11] <zeeshan> lol
[09:50:16] <zeeshan> there is no mounting slots?
[09:50:41] <Wolf_> feature imo
[09:50:53] <zeeshan> haha
[09:51:14] <Wolf_> that costs extra
[09:51:47] <Wolf_> damn $58
[09:51:53] <PetefromTn_> that is what I use here
[09:52:02] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: did you see my fixture?
[09:52:10] <PetefromTn_> no
[09:52:10] * Wolf_ makes bookmark
[09:52:12] <zeeshan> derieved on furry's idea :P
[09:52:25] <PetefromTn_> does it have a dildo somewhere?
[09:52:31] <zeeshan> actually it does! lol
[09:52:38] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[09:52:42] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/8zC4LA0.jpg
[09:52:52] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/3Le1Zpb.jpg ... close up of mandrel:
[09:53:00] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/TRIWKAe.jpg
[09:53:12] <zeeshan> theres two dildos in there for furry
[09:53:28] <zeeshan> expanding mandrel is why i need two things i dont have:
[09:53:33] <zeeshan> slitting saw arbor + 5c indexer
[09:53:44] <zeeshan> ive been wanting both for a long time
[09:53:57] <zeeshan> and i think this is the job that needs to pay for them
[09:54:11] <PetefromTn_> they're pretty cheap
[09:54:24] <zeeshan> do you think itll handle making that slit?
[09:54:33] <zeeshan> i've seen it being used to mill flats
[09:54:59] <zeeshan> i understand it's got a locking pin in it
[09:55:06] <zeeshan> similar to a dividing head
[09:55:10] <PetefromTn_> probably but the thing that sucks about making collets/mandrels like that is the more cuts you make into the piece the worse it gets LOL
[09:55:41] <zeeshan> rofl yea!
[09:56:06] <zeeshan> if i have a problem, i might shorten the grip length
[09:56:10] <zeeshan> so i dont need to make such deep slits
[09:56:11] <PetefromTn_> your guy oxtools has a great little piece or two on modifying the little 5c collet spindexers
[09:56:31] <zeeshan> i think i remember those episodes
[09:56:36] <zeeshan> he was making it so you divide it even more?
[09:56:37] <PetefromTn_> I trued up the base on mine watching his videos... makes it easier to setup
[09:56:38] <zeeshan> i forget
[09:56:56] <PetefromTn_> the base comes only machined on the bottom/face
[09:56:57] <zeeshan> the base isn't square to the spindle?
[09:56:59] <PetefromTn_> not the sides
[09:57:21] <PetefromTn_> so you can't just plop it in the vise and expect it to be square
[09:57:26] <zeeshan> ahh
[09:57:28] <zeeshan> but if i bolt it against table
[09:57:30] <PetefromTn_> he shows you how to machine it
[09:57:30] <zeeshan> ill be okay?
[09:58:16] <PetefromTn_> if you don't do that machining you have to bolt it down and pickup along the shaft or something to align with X or Y or whatever you need
[09:58:28] <zeeshan> yes
[09:58:33] <zeeshan> thats how i was imagining right now
[09:58:42] <PetefromTn_> it is easy to do that machining tho
[09:58:56] <PetefromTn_> makes it much nicer to work with and only really takes a little bit of time
[09:59:01] <zeeshan> (a lot of the machining im doing doesn't require vise right now)
[09:59:04] <zeeshan> but i can do that mod
[09:59:20] <PetefromTn_> he also makes it a diving head with a plastic index plate but I don't really need that right now
[09:59:46] <PetefromTn_> Ooh ya know what else I saw that was really cool..
[10:00:27] <PetefromTn_> one of the little annoyances of the spindex
[10:00:59] <PetefromTn_> is that the handle that locks down your collet is basically a round nut with a protrusion on it and a plastic POS handle off of that...
[10:01:34] <PetefromTn_> I found that mounting the thing vertically or in certain situations that handle can be a real pain in the ass to get to with enough force to lock down the collet tightly
[10:02:01] <PetefromTn_> I have a machining magazine somewhere around here where a guy too that handle off
[10:02:07] <zeeshan> haha is that why i see sometimes people useing a vise grip
[10:02:09] <zeeshan> on the nut?
[10:02:14] <PetefromTn_> then he cut the handle protrusion off
[10:02:17] <PetefromTn_> in the bandsaw
[10:02:28] <PetefromTn_> put the round reaming part in the lathe
[10:02:49] <PetefromTn_> turned it down to be larger than the OD of the ER32 collet nuts
[10:03:06] <PetefromTn_> then he machined a flange on the end of it to accept the ER32 wrench spanner
[10:03:38] <PetefromTn_> so you can use the same wrench you use on your CAT40 ER collet holders on your 5c stuff
[10:04:04] <PetefromTn_> which should allow you to reach it easily as well as apply a LOT more force to ensure it does not spin on you while milling...
[10:04:23] <PetefromTn_> I have not done it yet because I have not gotten to it but it is a really good idea I think.
[10:04:46] <PetefromTn_> you could also just drill holes radially around the edge and use a large pin spanner
[10:05:13] <PetefromTn_> seems like no matter what you do that crappy handle is NEVER in the right spot LO
[10:05:14] <PetefromTn_> L
[10:05:16] <zeeshan> hahaha
[10:05:24] <zeeshan> now i see why abom79 vise grips his
[10:05:25] <zeeshan> lol
[10:05:29] <zeeshan> and even john nycnc
[10:05:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah but vise grips will tear it up
[10:05:42] <zeeshan> pin spanner might be easier
[10:05:57] <PetefromTn_> and that is just chinese cast iron so it could break/wear
[10:06:31] <PetefromTn_> the ER32 setup looks really cool and will work perfectly I think tho...
[10:06:47] <PetefromTn_> he used the spindex to machine it too LOL.
[10:06:52] <zeeshan> haha
[10:11:42] <zeeshan> i really hope this expanding mandrel w/ teeth idea works
[10:13:08] <zeeshan> do you have a slitting saw arbor?
[10:14:51] <ssi> I haveo ne but I haven't used it much
[10:15:04] <zeeshan> theres so many kinds :/
[10:16:36] <jdh> http://i.imgur.com/dpZQMpR.jpg
[10:17:32] <jdh> doesn't really look
[10:17:41] <jdh> like atlanta
[10:18:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have one...but unfortunately it is R8 LOL
[10:19:04] <PetefromTn_> I have actually used it in a Cat40 holder tho
[10:20:28] <skunkworks> PetefromTn_, with zeeshans info on modbus vs analog - you are probably going to have to switch to analog to even have a chance of position your spindle for a tool change.
[10:21:20] <PetefromTn_> skunkworks yeah I know we talked about it quite awhile ago but I have just not gotten around to doing it.
[10:22:02] <PetefromTn_> I have to reconfigure things back and I am always apprehensive to take it apart because I need it LOL
[10:23:30] <zeeshan> i think with dc injection
[10:23:36] <zeeshan> you should get your index in the same damn position
[10:23:37] <zeeshan> every time!
[10:23:58] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i was reading a lot on my vfd
[10:24:04] <zeeshan> there is this option called "jogging"
[10:24:08] <zeeshan> it works below 10hz only
[10:24:15] <zeeshan> i think thats what you use for indexing
[10:24:36] <zeeshan> it seems to use a combination of braking and accelerating
[10:24:39] <zeeshan> to get to a desired position
[10:31:17] <zeeshan> http://littlemachineshop.com/projects/sawarbor.php
[10:31:19] <zeeshan> scary :P
[10:35:20] <Wolf_> I think i have the one w/ a 1/2 shank lol
[10:37:16] <Wolf_> I dont think I ever put it in the machine after I got it
[10:53:55] <PetefromTn_> what's scary about it?
[10:54:54] <archivist> zeeshan, I make my own
[10:55:02] <archivist> I am not scared!
[10:55:03] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I know about the DC braking etc.. just have to get analog control set back up and configure my software for the analog control so I can try it...
[10:55:48] <PetefromTn_> there is not much to them really you could easily make your own... the one I have actually has spring loaded sleeves internal to the bore that allows you to use different sized bore slittle saws which is kinda nice..
[10:57:11] <just_pink> mornning
[10:58:02] <PetefromTn_> mornin
[10:58:23] <archivist> it is afternoon!
[10:58:35] <PetefromTn_> Nope....it's not
[10:59:00] <archivist> the greenwich meridian is here so it is!
[10:59:09] <_methods> he has a point
[10:59:25] <just_pink> archivist: here it's 11:36am
[10:59:28] <_methods> he who has the line owns the time lol
[10:59:32] <PetefromTn_> yup but it's on top of his head..
[10:59:33] <archivist> :)
[10:59:50] <archivist> I am about a degree off it
[10:59:51] <just_pink> archivist: I made an endmill!
[11:00:27] <archivist> but does it cut
[11:00:51] <just_pink> i dont know how to sarpen it, but if I'm take small cuts I think it will work..
[11:01:32] <archivist> plastic requires a very sharp cutter
[11:02:39] <just_pink> archivist: It's going to be an experiment
[11:19:12] <zeeshan> using a morse taper to hold a slitting saw seems scary :)
[11:19:25] <ssi> morse tapers are pretty strong
[11:19:30] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i was watching a review by oxtoolco
[11:19:41] <zeeshan> he advised against those type arbors except for jeweller type of saws
[11:19:52] <zeeshan> didn't give a reason why
[11:19:58] <zeeshan> but it was along the lines of rigidity
[11:21:22] * SpeedEvil is trying to work out how to attach a 450mm sawblade to a 35mm diameter threaded rod.
[11:21:26] <SpeedEvil> Fun.
[11:22:41] <zeeshan> http://www.kbctools.ca/default.aspx?page=item+detail&itemcode=7-123-105&catlist=13244
[11:22:44] <zeeshan> this is cheap enough to buy
[11:23:03] <zeeshan> i dont know how you grind something and have it have 0.002 runout
[11:23:06] <zeeshan> but thats good enough for my app :P
[11:37:15] <just_pink> zeeshan: can I cut the insert from the stock in the vise with a slitting saw?
[11:37:35] <zeeshan> what insert
[11:38:22] <archivist> zeeshan, you can support the end on the arbor with a centre
[11:38:41] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/LHxlSSW.jpg
[11:38:50] <just_pink> pic 2 from the top.
[11:38:58] <zeeshan> archivist: wouldn't it just pull out :P
[11:38:59] <archivist> morse tapers are ok only if pulled in
[11:39:05] <zeeshan> yes
[11:39:31] <zeeshan> didn't realize it uses a drawbar :P
[11:39:46] <zeeshan> just_pink: yea you can use a slitting saw for that
[11:39:54] <zeeshan> but really its not meant for that
[11:40:11] <zeeshan> you have the ability to cut that with a bandsaw, and square it up with an end mill
[11:40:17] <zeeshan> so i wouldnt even bother with slitting saw
[11:40:58] <archivist> slitting on the horizontal is reasonably easy
[11:41:16] <archivist> actually put a vfd back on it today!
[11:41:29] <zeeshan> its alive!
[11:41:30] <zeeshan> :D
[11:41:30] <just_pink> the problem with the bandsaw, it's very complicated to cut small and sort things.
[11:42:46] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=8911&subject=25699
[11:43:36] <archivist> when I was recycling metals :)
[11:45:26] <just_pink> I see that the saw come is several diameters and thicknesses..
[11:46:22] <just_pink> what is recommended for beginners like me?
[11:47:08] <archivist> the right one for the job
[11:48:34] <just_pink> this is the same code
[11:48:46] <just_pink> http://ustre.am/1qGHt
[11:49:42] <just_pink> 0.3mm depth 1mm radial 600mm/m feed rate
[11:58:11] <just_pink> the chips look slightly bigger after the gib adjustment
[12:01:09] <zeeshan> so my correlation of machine sale ads amount
[12:01:14] <zeeshan> to recession isn't too far off :P
[12:01:28] <zeeshan> already seeing the first signs of it-- stock market plummet
[12:01:42] <ssi> yea we're fucked
[12:01:45] <zeeshan> after the typical 4 month lag
[12:01:49] <zeeshan> we're gonna see a really hard recession
[12:01:57] <zeeshan> harder than 2008
[12:02:06] <_methods> ?
[12:02:09] <zeeshan> get ready
[12:02:22] <ssi> kinda unavoidable given the way policy's been going
[12:02:43] <zeeshan> bail out aint gonna fix anything
[12:02:44] <zeeshan> :P
[12:03:06] <zeeshan> i dunno if youre following the sector summary
[12:03:12] <zeeshan> but it's affected every damn sector
[12:03:30] <jdh> bailout is good for wealth transfer
[12:04:19] <archivist> nobody has baile me out
[12:04:47] <_methods> i left the drain plug out on my boat one time and i had to bail myself out
[12:04:51] <_methods> that sucked
[12:04:59] <ssi> I bet
[12:05:26] <jdh> my boat plugs are suttinh un my car console. hopefully I'll remember
[12:05:31] <_methods> hehe
[12:05:34] <jdh> sitting
[12:05:39] <_methods> i was like wtf is my cooler doing next to me
[12:05:49] <_methods> i put it back by the engine
[12:05:59] <ssi> when I was in the bahamas a couple weeks ago, we ran into a family who told us an amazing story
[12:06:09] <ssi> they took a water taxi between islands, and halfway across the boat sank
[12:06:19] <_methods> ouch
[12:06:22] <ssi> they asked the captain if there were any life jackets, and he said "what, you don't know how to swim?"
[12:06:30] <ssi> they were clinging to coolers
[12:06:35] <ssi> and a candian couple in a rented boat picked them up
[12:06:41] <ssi> HI-larious
[12:07:18] <_methods> heheh
[12:07:28] <_methods> canadian bailout
[12:07:31] <ssi> hahahaha
[12:17:56] <CaptHindsight> nah, the news says it's just a temporary adjustment to the recent bubble
[12:18:02] <CaptHindsight> the news never lies
[12:18:04] <ssi> phew
[12:18:08] <ssi> glad that's settled
[12:21:55] <zeeshan> if you look at past trends before recessions
[12:22:28] <zeeshan> it is a long time ago since i took economy class :P
[12:22:41] <zeeshan> but basically they told us the stock market crashes -> depression
[12:22:56] <zeeshan> stock market large dip -> recession
[12:23:03] <ssi> that's a bit simplistic
[12:23:14] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/ has pretty clear and accurate coverage without any agenda
[12:23:19] <zeeshan> they also said stock market is more sensitive to change
[12:23:26] <zeeshan> while economic conditions lag
[12:23:36] <zeeshan> so thats why there is always a delay between stock market and economy
[12:23:45] <zeeshan> takes time to see the effects
[12:24:05] <_methods> no agenda, does that mean i have to figure it out for myself?
[12:24:08] <_methods> i'll pass
[12:24:45] <_methods> too complicated
[12:25:14] <CaptHindsight> _methods: strong growth is over in China
[12:25:51] <CaptHindsight> it's their version of our 2008
[12:26:49] <CaptHindsight> China can't sell products to people that don't have money (us)
[12:30:22] <_methods> but i have credit cards
[12:30:42] <CaptHindsight> lol
[12:30:45] <_methods> hehe
[12:32:17] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Y146v8HxE
[12:39:46] <zeeshan> that guy does some awesome work
[12:39:48] <zeeshan> and videography
[12:50:42] <archivist> must get my filing machine restored
[12:52:01] <just_pink> archivist: what is "filing machine"??
[12:52:11] <ssi> a machine that files probably?
[12:52:30] <_methods> lol
[12:52:39] <archivist> look at that vid one was in use
[12:54:10] <archivist> ew horrible example http://www.homews.co.uk/page475.html
[12:55:48] <PetefromTn_> that looks like a commercially made one I have seen plans for making shop built filing machines before. Pretty simple thing really...
[12:56:30] <zeeshan> its literally a crank
[12:56:37] <zeeshan> rotating to linear motion :P
[12:56:45] <zeeshan> but i think the challenging part is gearing it down
[12:57:45] <PetefromTn_> making that clock looks like a HUGE pain in the ass honestly...LOL
[12:57:49] <ssi> lol
[12:57:58] <ssi> imma watch it in a minute
[12:59:50] <zeeshan> help me decide
[12:59:55] * PetefromTn_ <-----thinks he needs to edit the damn video so we can see what the finished clock looks like without having to track down the last video to see it
[12:59:56] <zeeshan> 29 piece orf 15 piece collet set
[12:59:57] <zeeshan> for 5c
[13:00:03] <zeeshan> 1" 1/16 or 1/32
[13:00:15] <zeeshan> realisticall yi work with nominal sizes
[13:01:06] <PetefromTn_> I think I bought a 1/16-1 1/16 by 1/16ths set but I don't remember
[13:04:46] <PetefromTn_> just read my previous comment about the video and realized embarrasingly that I am starting to sound like Furrywolf....Please excuse me and accept my humblest apologies!! ;)
[13:04:55] <zeeshan> haha
[13:05:38] <zeeshan> i wonder if ive ordered all the tools from this local supplier who deals with import stuff
[13:06:48] <archivist> been for a trip up the garden, found a filing machine, dragged it back near the house, took two before pics :)
[13:07:06] <zeeshan> 5c spin index, 5c collets, morse taper bxa holder, bxa turning holders
[13:08:30] <ssi> zeeshan: 29pc
[13:08:41] <ssi> 5C collets don't have a lot of flex, so the 29pc will cover all sizes
[13:09:07] <PetefromTn_> I like how he uses an ER32 collet holder body in his lathe for tiny work that is kinda cool
[13:10:33] <zeeshan> ssi 59 $ more
[13:10:34] <zeeshan> ;[
[13:10:45] <ssi> don't be a cheapass
[13:10:55] <zeeshan> economic conditions are low\!
[13:10:59] <ssi> lololl
[13:11:07] <zeeshan> im just thinking
[13:11:09] <zeeshan> if i order the 1/16 now
[13:11:13] <zeeshan> and later on i wanna use 1/32
[13:11:21] <zeeshan> its not like these guys offer a 1/32 kit seperate
[13:11:23] <ssi> exactly
[13:11:25] <zeeshan> you gotta have repeats
[13:11:27] <zeeshan> which is lame
[13:13:53] <roycroft> get a credit card with 0% introductory apr, buy the full set, and pay it off over a couple or three months
[13:14:05] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt20qj1DHpc I must admit this is mesmerizing... hehe
[13:14:06] <zeeshan> fak that
[13:14:21] * roycroft loves borrowing money for free
[13:14:22] <zeeshan> only thing i wanna be in debt for us my house
[13:14:43] <roycroft> it's not like this is a huge purchase
[13:14:58] <roycroft> you'll carry what? about $100 for a month or so?
[13:15:01] <zeeshan> borrowing free money is how american hit its first recession :P
[13:15:16] <roycroft> most people don't borrow free money
[13:15:21] <roycroft> they borrow expensive money
[13:15:33] <SpeedEvil> I have $10K credit in total on various credit cards (if I chose to use it)
[13:15:44] <SpeedEvil> I'm on about $8K a year disability
[13:16:10] <SpeedEvil> Insane
[13:16:23] <roycroft> if you can't manage your credit i would agree that it's best to not use it
[13:16:32] <zeeshan> i buy stuff on cc
[13:16:35] <zeeshan> and pay it off right away
[13:16:39] <roycroft> but the purchase discussed above is a no-brainer to me
[13:17:04] <ssi> regardless of how you pay for it, I'd get a full set
[13:17:10] <ssi> especially if you're ever likely to have a 5C lathe
[13:17:16] <zeeshan> already ordered :P
[13:17:18] <zeeshan> 1/32
[13:17:24] <roycroft> if you're going to buy a collet set you can afford right now and then supplement it expensively in the future it makes more sense to just buy the full set now and float part of the cost for a month or two
[13:17:25] <zeeshan> its funny when i was looking at 1/32
[13:17:29] <zeeshan> i started also looking at 1/64
[13:17:36] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:17:38] <zeeshan> but thats almost 2.5x price
[13:17:40] <zeeshan> f that
[13:17:48] <roycroft> frankly, even if you're not going to use a 0% apr card, it probably makes sense to buy the full set and pay it off over time
[13:18:02] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: A clear advantage of the imperial system
[13:18:18] <zeeshan> yes
[13:18:20] <zeeshan> unlike metric
[13:18:23] <roycroft> or else buy only the collet(s) you need right now, save your money for a couple months, and then buy the full set
[13:18:25] <zeeshan> imagine how many collets youd need :P
[13:18:26] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: Capitalism! It provides a clear path to upsell all the way from 1/16 to 1/131072ths
[13:18:31] <ssi> zeeshan: they have 1/32" spring in them, so you don't really need a 64ths set
[13:18:31] <zeeshan> hahaha
[13:18:47] <zeeshan> okay good
[13:18:58] <zeeshan> man im excited to get these
[13:19:01] <zeeshan> ive been wanting them for a while
[13:19:09] <zeeshan> i did a couple of retarded jobs where i coulda used one
[13:19:12] <zeeshan> like half moon spacers
[13:41:18] <ganzuul> Come to think of it, a mini-lathe isn't that expensive compared to say a new smartphone...
[13:41:45] <roycroft> and they're both equally useless
[13:41:49] <roycroft> :)
[13:42:43] <ganzuul> :p
[13:42:58] <ganzuul> Small lathes are easier to make rigid.
[13:43:26] <ganzuul> Or at least should be. Because science.
[13:43:37] <roycroft> if you embed a smart phone in a block of cast iron it would become quite rigid
[13:44:00] <ganzuul> That is also true. =|
[13:44:25] <roycroft> and it might have the added advantage of being silenced so that you don't have to hear it ringing any more
[13:44:54] <roycroft> at the very least it would become somewhat muffled
[13:45:59] <ganzuul> I think I'd prefer a mini-lathe to that.
[13:52:37] <just_pink> how I'm supposed to use the edge finder?
[13:54:20] <ganzuul> If you listen carefully it tells you its secrets.
[13:57:26] <just_pink> ganzuul: I know it's need to touch the metal but how i know if it's acurate?
[14:06:11] <ganzuul> From what I have seen of guys on youtube doing it, they take the same measurement two or three times.
[14:08:13] <ganzuul> With an edge finder, apparently you only find out when you have gone over the edge, so the edge is somewhere between where you started and where you stop
[14:08:22] <ganzuul> So you refine that measurement
[14:08:41] <archivist> filing machine is not seized. dare not fire it up until I do an electrical test on the motor
[14:09:03] <zeeshan-lab> mr zeeshan-lab is active!
[14:11:59] <roycroft> it's accurate to within 0.001" after about five minutes of practice with it
[14:13:05] <roycroft> and yes, you dial it in if you want that kind of accuracy
[14:13:20] <roycroft> if i only need to hold 0.003" or so i'll just find the edge once and call it good
[14:14:27] <roycroft> the least accurate aspect of using an edge finder is usually the edge itself
[14:14:28] <ganzuul> See? Who needs practice? I can learn everything about metalworking from youtube!
[14:15:48] <zeeshan-lab> haha
[14:18:50] <ssi> this clock video is actually pretty damn cool
[14:19:52] <zeeshan-lab> isn't that guy awesome?
[14:19:56] <ssi> yea
[14:19:57] <zeeshan-lab> clean videos
[14:19:58] <zeeshan-lab> clean work
[14:20:01] <zeeshan-lab> clean commentary
[14:20:03] <zeeshan-lab> to the point.
[14:20:08] <ssi> glosses over some things though
[14:20:16] <ssi> I want to know more about how he blued those screws in the third vid
[14:20:19] <zeeshan-lab> dude i watched him file a wheel by hand
[14:20:26] <zeeshan-lab> and i was like wow i'd kill myself if i was this guy
[14:20:30] <ssi> hahaha
[14:20:38] <zeeshan-lab> prolly just heated them up?
[14:20:43] <zeeshan-lab> w/ propane
[14:20:49] <ssi> seemed like there might be chemistry involved
[14:20:54] <ssi> but I don't know because he glossed over it :)
[14:20:57] <ssi> but the results look amaze
[14:20:59] <zeeshan-lab> if you google bluing of steel
[14:21:00] <ganzuul> He uses a bed of brass shavings to make the heat even
[14:21:11] <zeeshan-lab> they habe this powder you can put the steel in to blue it better
[14:21:15] <zeeshan-lab> but i usually just propane it up
[14:21:47] <ganzuul> thar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h1Uf9bkc3E
[14:21:55] <zeeshan-lab> cant watch youtube here :{
[14:22:41] <ganzuul> aww
[14:23:28] <ganzuul> Well he uses a little pan filled with brass chips to cook the part over a flame
[14:23:38] <ganzuul> No holes in the pan
[14:23:53] <ganzuul> So the brass transfer the heat to the part.
[14:24:15] <ganzuul> Says the finish before bluing is also very important
[14:24:22] <ssi> yea I know that
[14:24:33] <ssi> I've bult some guns that I had blued
[14:24:40] <ssi> and I like to do mirror polishing on the flats, and it comes out stunning
[14:24:44] <ssi> but that was all hot salts bluing
[14:25:01] <ganzuul> Dunno this trick.
[14:25:10] <ganzuul> I do know you case-harden guns.
[14:26:09] <ganzuul> makes 'em scratch-resistat
[14:31:11] <zeeshan-lab> ssi do you have pics of harnesses youve done for airplanes
[14:31:17] <ssi> no
[14:31:20] <zeeshan-lab> for engine bay
[14:31:24] <ssi> just that one cnc control that I did that way
[14:31:24] <just_pink> how he make the blue color here?
[14:31:24] <just_pink> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXzyCM23WPI&feature=iv&src_vid=6bM3Jhy_3TU&annotation_id=annotation_1471825627
[14:31:25] <zeeshan-lab> damn
[14:31:38] <zeeshan-lab> rofl
[14:32:20] <just_pink> go to 7:03
[14:32:31] <ssi> just_pink: watch the vid that ganzuul linked
[14:33:59] <ssi> I'm guessing he bought his involute cutter
[14:35:17] <zeeshan-lab> saw the video on my phone
[14:35:24] <zeeshan-lab> hes uniformly heating it to blue it
[14:35:25] <zeeshan-lab> looks nice
[14:36:04] <just_pink> so.. it's just heat?
[14:36:09] <ssi> looks like it
[14:36:25] <just_pink> I'm going to try it..
[14:36:31] <ssi> let us know how it goes!
[14:36:32] <just_pink> I have some brass here
[14:36:44] <archivist> I made a bluing furnace, take item up to 293 deg c
[14:36:56] <archivist> steel !
[14:37:06] <archivist> you dont blue brass
[14:37:20] <ssi> I imagine he means for the brass pan and shavings
[14:37:41] <just_pink> :(
[14:37:44] <archivist> I am using sand
[14:37:51] * furrywolf noses around pink's kitchen for breakfast
[14:38:05] <archivist> and a steel pan
[14:38:11] <ssi> that work well?
[14:39:03] <just_pink> it's work with any steel?
[14:39:25] <ssi> I feel like setting up an indexer on a mill would be way easier than coming up with that adjustable carriage spindle for the lathe and adapting an indexer on the lathe spindle
[14:39:45] <archivist> not all steels blue well
[14:39:51] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bluing+kiln
[14:40:51] <archivist> I have done it in the open but that is harder, as you have to watch it constantly
[14:40:52] <furrywolf> has to be some food around here somewhere!
[14:41:04] <ganzuul> Clock guy says he used a tin plate with just a little SiC on it. Apparently the SiC paste digs into the tin.
[14:41:15] <ganzuul> I mean, for the polish
[14:41:23] <PetefromTn_> JEEZ MAN how come when I silver solder it never turns out nice like that LOL
[14:41:42] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I KNOW
[14:41:45] <ssi> that was like magic
[14:42:02] <ssi> prbobaly because he spends WAY more time prepping and cleaning than we do :P
[14:42:03] <PetefromTn_> that guy is REALLY annoying me making this all look trivial and easy like that LOL
[14:42:12] <ganzuul> lol
[14:42:16] <PetefromTn_> I CLEAN!!!! I CLEAN A LOT!!!
[14:42:56] <furrywolf> I'm lazy.
[14:43:07] <ganzuul> He did say he spent a few days on just filing the big gear for his clock.
[14:43:13] <PetefromTn_> but it never turns out clean and smooth like that
[14:43:34] <furrywolf> I can't imagine spending large amounts of time accomplishing nothing.
[14:44:10] <ganzuul> furrywolf: never work for a big corporation then
[14:44:13] <ssi> lol
[14:44:20] <archivist> my bluing done in the open for the clockmaking practical exam piece http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_10_07_Gear_cutting_examples/p1010060.jpg
[14:44:51] <ganzuul> All your time is spent cleaning up the mess a middle-manager made to earn a bonus.
[14:45:02] <furrywolf> ganzuul: even worse. there you spend large amounts of time accomplishing less than nothing. like government.
[14:45:45] <ssi> his polishing... jeez
[14:46:10] <PetefromTn_> he probably spent more time polishing and cleaning that one tiny screw than I did retrofitting my VMC hehehe
[14:46:32] <archivist> it gets a lot easier with practice
[14:46:45] * ssi goes to live with archivist
[14:47:20] <archivist> going up the wet and dry grades properly is the quick way
[14:50:11] <archivist> get some of this http://www.amazon.co.uk/37-948-Micron-Polishing-Papers-2x11/dp/B001BHGC7G
[14:50:14] <ssi> I wonder what he does with all the scrap brass
[14:50:25] <furrywolf> I generally avoid polishing anything. ever.
[14:50:28] <archivist> make smaller parts
[14:50:32] <PetefromTn_> heh you just saw the answer to that
[14:50:48] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I don't mean the shavings, I meant liek the big interior scrollsaw cutouts
[14:51:01] <ssi> god all this filing... that's a lot of work even with a power file
[14:51:07] <PetefromTn_> oh
[14:51:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is some seriously tedious stuff right there
[14:51:30] <archivist> we keep the "scraps" to make other smaller parts
[14:51:59] <ssi> archivist: is there a significant demand for bespoke clocks like this?
[14:52:09] <furrywolf> build a cnc file. :)
[14:52:33] <archivist> depends how well known one is or in my case is not
[14:52:39] <Deejay> hrhr
[14:52:50] <ssi> yeah I imagine it's similar to custom gunsmith work that I've done in the past
[14:52:58] <ssi> stuff I've built would be worth $5k if someone with a name made it
[14:53:05] <ssi> but for me, it's worth less than the sum of its parts
[14:53:06] <ssi> heh
[14:53:14] <archivist> trouble with one off is the time and expense and the need for rich customers
[14:53:30] <ganzuul> Might get a cash boost by re-selling it through some brand-name outlet?
[14:53:44] <ssi> that's not how those markets work :P
[14:53:51] <archivist> the cost of advertising
[14:53:53] <ganzuul> mkay :<
[14:54:10] <archivist> word of mouth
[14:54:26] <ganzuul> Rich friends, then
[14:54:28] <ssi> "after a solid day of filing, I'm about halfway"
[14:55:12] <SpeedEvil> I have idly wondered about a CNC 5 axis file.
[14:55:13] <PetefromTn_> that better be one damn fine clock when he is done LOL
[14:55:14] <ganzuul> furrywolf: There are CNC grinders!
[14:55:19] <archivist> can be quicker to insert and file up a gear tooth than make a new wheel and mount it
[14:56:23] <ganzuul> Also, end-mill shaped grinding bits.
[14:59:26] <archivist> ssi, also some of the best stuff I did was while employed for a clockmaker, so his name gets used
[14:59:33] <ssi> yeah
[14:59:52] <ssi> archivist: my mom bought the contents of a watch repair store recently
[15:00:03] <PetefromTn_> Okay now I am pissed.....apparently that guy either never finished that clock or never bothered to make a video showing what it is supposed to look like finished....ANNOYING ANNOYING!!!
[15:00:04] <ssi> I can probably talk her out of the watch repair tools and parts
[15:00:07] <ssi> but I dunno what I'll do with it
[15:00:12] <ssi> I don't know what most of the stuff is :(
[15:01:00] <archivist> I can identify some for you if I see pics
[15:01:12] <ssi> next time I'm down there I'll take some pictures
[15:01:20] <ssi> I did get a keycutting machine from her though hahah
[15:01:23] <ssi> and a bunch of key blanks
[15:01:56] <XXCoder> nice now you can have 100 keys for your house ;)
[15:01:59] <ssi> yep
[15:02:14] <furrywolf> I've seen them at yard sales, and never figured I needed one. :P
[15:02:29] <furrywolf> I'm tempted to make a little program to generate key cutting g-code for a mill.
[15:02:31] <ssi> need is a funny word :D
[15:02:39] <archivist> want!
[15:02:59] <furrywolf> I have a lock with difficult-to-copy keys (none of the local locksmiths can do it) that I want to have more than one key for.
[15:03:20] <Tom_itx> write a cnc program for it
[15:03:21] <ssi> my key machine is a very basic one, I'm sure if locksmiths can't do it neither can I :P
[15:03:46] <archivist> use a file, do it old style
[15:03:47] <XXCoder> fur yeah can do it I'm sure, just need bunch of blanks and testing
[15:04:10] <Tom_itx> i've got a couple hard to copy and one electronic key
[15:04:15] <furrywolf> blanks aren't available for it either, will need to make them too. :P
[15:04:33] <ssi> what kind of lock is it?
[15:04:39] <Tom_itx> i've got a locksmith kit
[15:04:55] <Tom_itx> just not alot of blanks
[15:04:58] <XXCoder> I once went to awesome keymaster that recreated truck key out of 2 peices of key
[15:05:27] <ssi> were you the gatekeeper?
[15:05:47] <XXCoder> I am the key! I am the gate!
[15:05:51] <XXCoder> :P
[15:05:53] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9L7UUp0FxY
[15:05:55] <furrywolf> medeco. the teeth are angled at various angles, which a normal key machine can't do.
[15:06:16] <just_pink> one more insert done
[15:08:00] <XXCoder> just checked aliexpress
[15:08:03] <XXCoder> lots blank keys
[15:08:25] <XXCoder> 50 house keys for 20 bucks for example lol
[15:08:41] <furrywolf> I figure a slitting saw and some brass would make a blank. :P
[15:08:43] <ssi> I need to figure out what the key blank is that practically all airplane keys use
[15:08:47] <ssi> and get a bunch of those
[15:09:24] <XXCoder> can always cnc machine som
[15:09:28] <ssi> nothx
[15:09:33] <furrywolf> as far as I know, the proper medeco blank for my lock isn't available. at least, the local locksmiths say they can't get them, and even if they could, they can't cut them.
[15:10:27] <furrywolf> it exists, but only medeco makes them, and they only sell them to authorized locksmiths, or some crap like that.
[15:10:41] <furrywolf> I used to have some abloy keys, and those even even funkier. heh.
[15:11:31] <furrywolf> s/even/are
[15:13:20] <XXCoder> fur just found medeco blanks at homedepot
[15:13:38] <furrywolf> I think a cnc key copying package would be rather handy... especially if you bundled some image processing so you just needed to stick the key on a flatbed scanner. :)
[15:13:49] <XXCoder> yeah
[15:13:52] <ssi> or take a picture of someone's keys from afar ;)
[15:14:25] <furrywolf> XXCoder: medeco makes a wide variety of keys. the particular lock I have is a high-security lock with special keys, and the keys are only available to a few select locksmiths. not only does home depot not have the keys, they don't have a machine capable of cutting them. :P
[15:14:50] <just_pink> the machine running again :)
[15:14:50] <XXCoder> yeah saw that kinda info on other site. too bad
[15:15:38] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: there are some openscad parametric models where you just type in the key number
[15:16:13] <furrywolf> XXCoder: rather than a normal key where the height of the tooth is all that matters, the teeth on these medeco keys are cut with angles on both sides, rotating pins inside the lock to the matching angle. normal key machines, like anything a hardware store has, don't cut precisely angled faces on the sides of teeth on their keys. :)
[15:16:14] <XXCoder> wonder what tolences key need
[15:17:18] <just_pink> it's so boring to watch the machine do the same thing..
[15:18:05] <PetefromTn_> I love watching the machine do the same thing over and over again....usually means I am making money LOL
[15:18:24] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately it does not happen very often
[15:18:27] <XXCoder> cheap. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Best-Cutting-For-Car-Auto-Folding-Remote-Control-Key-Cutter-Machine-Free-shipping/775609316.html
[15:18:36] <furrywolf> XXCoder: I used to have a couple http://www.abloyusa.com/images/execkey.gif for work, if you want even more fun.
[15:18:51] <XXCoder> fancy. lol
[15:20:25] <XXCoder> I wonder how adoptable that machine is
[15:20:36] <XXCoder> aka can turn into tiny copier mill
[15:20:51] <ganzuul> furrywolf: That's the type my appartment key is. It's really common here.
[15:21:00] <furrywolf> hrmm, apparantly medeco's patent on the key shape my lock uses has expired, so now you can order blanks online from third-party suppliers... there's still the fun of cutting it.
[15:22:07] <furrywolf> ganzuul: the abloy? they're rare here. I've seen about three, ever... and only because I used to do bank work.
[15:22:53] <furrywolf> why the heck would an apartment spend thousands of dollars on a lock (instead of the usual $8.99 apartment owners here spend) that they can't make copies of the keys for every time the tenant loses one? heh
[15:27:11] <ganzuul> furrywolf: that's the one. Abloy comes from Ab. Lukko Oy. It's a Finnish company.
[15:28:06] <ganzuul> When I moved in the landlord paid to have the lock changed.
[15:28:15] <furrywolf> and in finland they're not a hundred times more expensive than anything else and impossible to get spares made? heh
[15:28:25] <ganzuul> ye
[15:28:41] <furrywolf> here apartments use generic hardware store cheapo locks, just like everyone else. fancy keys are used for commercial uses only.
[15:28:58] <ganzuul> You can really easily have master keys with these types of locks.
[15:29:33] <furrywolf> and that's a good thing? laws here says the landlord has to keep the fuck out of a tenant's apartment.
[15:29:57] <ganzuul> Though I could probably deduce what the master key is from my own lock... Hmm. Might need to make 100 or so master key candidates though.
[15:30:22] <ganzuul> I'm not sure if it is a good thing.
[15:31:12] <ganzuul> There have been renovations in this building, and one construction worker actually entered my appartment without knocking by using the master key.
[15:31:16] <XXCoder> fur it wont make much difference, landlord probably has 2 copies of apt key
[15:31:29] <ganzuul> So that was clearly a big fuckup.
[15:31:35] <ssi> around here landlords have to be able to get into apartments for maintenance
[15:31:46] <XXCoder> its only landlord following laws keeping em out
[15:32:16] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Horizotal-Car-key-cutting-machine-locksmith-tools-house-key-cutters-key-duplicated-machine-low-discount-drop/2055802644.html
[15:32:21] <XXCoder> pretty cheap lol
[15:32:32] <ganzuul> Meanwhile, I once had to call the ambulance and the contractor security officer when I heard my neighbor screaming for help.
[15:32:57] <ganzuul> Good thing about screaming for help; they aren't close to death since they can still scream.
[15:32:59] <furrywolf> http://nynex.s5.com/TOOOL-US-Boston/PDFs/Medeco/medecoemhart.jpg there's a good picture of the medeco key angles
[15:33:30] <XXCoder> jeez that'd need in least 4 axis
[15:34:51] <furrywolf> which is why hardware stores can't make them. :P
[15:34:52] <ganzuul> Anyway, my neighbour was an old woman who was hard of hearing, so she wasn't replying to me when I shouted back through her mail chute. The guard however ahd the master key.
[15:35:06] <ganzuul> So maybe someone's life was saved that way.
[15:35:32] <ganzuul> Doors here usually have a 1 or 2 mm steel sheet in them, btw.
[15:35:40] <ganzuul> You don't just knock 'em down.
[15:36:26] <furrywolf> ... is crime a really big issue in finland? here we have cheap locks and wood doors.
[15:36:30] <PetefromTn_> still working on this important Cast iron job here guys.... does 2178 RPM and 14.32 IPM feedrate in cast iron sound about right to you for a solid carbide coated drill?
[15:36:58] <furrywolf> and homeowners have guns. :)
[15:37:00] <cradek> depends on the diameter!
[15:37:15] <PetefromTn_> Oh sorry 1/2 inch LOL
[15:37:42] <ganzuul> furrywolf: There are so many summer cottages for thieves to target that homes are seldom disturbed. You tend to hear about it when some gang is up to no good. Almost always foreginers.
[15:38:25] * furrywolf makes a note to be extra sure to be armed while in finland
[15:38:48] <cradek> does machinery's handbook or the drill manufacturer say 300 sfm?
[15:38:52] <ganzuul> furrywolf: You can legally own a howitzer here!
[15:39:05] <ganzuul> We have the most liberal firearms laws in the world.
[15:39:07] <cradek> I always drill MUCH slower than that, more like 50
[15:39:31] <MrSunshine> in finland ?
[15:39:36] <ganzuul> Plus if someone hates you enough to want to kill you, they will use and axe.
[15:39:40] <ganzuul> yes
[15:39:49] <ganzuul> ~an
[15:39:50] <MrSunshine> didnt know that they had liberal fireams laws =)
[15:39:51] <XXCoder> use and ax?
[15:39:52] <PetefromTn_> that's 285SFPM
[15:40:09] <cradek> yeah I guesstimated
[15:40:12] <PetefromTn_> so yeah I usually drill slower than that too but it sounds like this Carbide coated drill is a high performance one
[15:40:17] <MrSunshine> ganzuul: in sweden its always jokes about finnish people and knives :P
[15:41:22] <ganzuul> MrSunshine: I know. I had a summer job there once. The natives had to apologize for the joke when I told them that I had a knife.
[15:41:23] <cradek> and .003ish/tooth, probably ok
[15:41:41] <PetefromTn_> that is .003 per tooth actually I think...
[15:41:43] <MrSunshine> ganzuul: hahahaha =)
[15:41:46] <MrSunshine> niiiven!
[15:41:58] <ganzuul> It was gardening though, so it was just a tool.
[15:42:00] <cradek> how many holes do you have to drill?
[15:42:02] <XXCoder> lol love how guy puts in HONEST in all caps http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Locksmith-Supplies-HONEST-Automobile-Key-Copy-Explorator-HU66-Locksmith-Tools/32351767305.html
[15:42:27] <PetefromTn_> about 30
[15:42:33] <furrywolf> I had a chance to pick up an automotive chip key programmer last week... decided I didn't need one.
[15:42:49] <ganzuul> Weird that anyone would get dressed for work as a gardener and NOT bring a knife, imo...
[15:44:06] <ssi> remind me what paraffin is to non-americans?
[15:44:10] <ssi> naptha/lighter fluid?
[15:44:24] <ganzuul> Anyway, you don't need to worry about Finns with knives. If, however, they are drunk, holding an axe, and shouting, then you're best off shooting them in the leg.
[15:44:36] <furrywolf> lol
[15:44:37] <PetefromTn_> isn't it like a Dodo ;)
[15:45:28] <just_pink> I'm hungry.. the machin working
[15:45:59] <furrywolf> http://www.fortresslock.co.uk/welcome/trade-area/easy-entrie-pink-box/ heh, I googled to see how to cut blanks, and sure 'nuff, someone makes a cnc blank cutter. :)
[15:46:11] <just_pink> to leave it alone?
[15:46:17] <MrSunshine> ganzuul: haha ok =)
[15:46:18] <just_pink> machine*
[15:46:19] <MrSunshine> good to know =)
[15:46:41] <just_pink> " Pink Box "
[15:46:51] * furrywolf is hungry too
[15:47:20] <just_pink> hehe
[15:47:35] * furrywolf goes back to nosing around just_pink's kitchen looking for food
[15:48:02] <just_pink> it's safe to leave the machine alone?
[15:48:10] <XXCoder> just don't eat my soylent can there in ref lol
[15:48:22] <furrywolf> would you be able to stop it in time if anything went wrong anyway? :P
[15:48:40] <just_pink> furrywolf: no..
[15:49:09] <XXCoder> just_pink: is program and settings "proven" aka you ran it in entirity and no problems?
[15:49:20] <XXCoder> and it didnt have problems at start so it should be fine
[15:49:47] <just_pink> XXCoder: yes the is the 11th part..
[15:49:59] <just_pink> but the machine vibrateeee soo scary..
[15:50:06] <just_pink> what could possibly go wrong?
[15:50:27] <XXCoder> dunno but its not likely to have problem in couple minutes you go to get food
[15:51:53] <MacGalempsy> hello
[15:51:54] <just_pink> it will finish in about 30 min..
[15:51:56] * furrywolf wants food too
[15:51:59] <just_pink> hi MacGalempsy
[15:52:07] <MacGalempsy> hows everyone doing today?
[15:53:19] <ssi> HOLY SHIT THIS SERIES ISN'T DONE YET?!
[15:53:24] <ssi> D:
[15:53:31] <just_pink> what do you think, to go and get Subway or to make chicken tenders with mashed potatos and mushrooms?
[15:53:43] <furrywolf> ?
[15:53:59] <just_pink> ?
[15:54:03] <MacGalempsy> just_pink: sounds good, pick me some up while you are you
[15:54:05] <MacGalempsy> out
[15:54:10] <furrywolf> I'll take the chicken tenders and mushrooms, you can keep the mashed potatos. :)
[15:55:35] <just_pink> for the dessert I will need 1/16" endmill.
[15:57:38] <just_pink> * going to meke some tenders :-)
[15:58:42] * furrywolf helps eat them. :P
[15:59:08] <just_pink> I'm 97 lbs..
[15:59:20] <just_pink> I need to get some fat.
[15:59:22] <XXCoder> furrywolf: that blank maker thing is amazing
[15:59:34] <furrywolf> XXCoder: and it's pink. ;P
[15:59:42] <XXCoder> perfect for just_pink here lol
[16:00:02] <XXCoder> for yourself just remove case, take grinder to it then powder coat some other color lol
[16:00:13] <just_pink> no!
[16:01:30] <furrywolf> bbl, got to run some errands, and probably will pick up some food while I'm out.
[16:01:54] <XXCoder> man sometimes website design dont make sense
[16:01:57] * furrywolf can't afford to eat out very often, so shouldn't, but is too tired to deal with buying and preparing food right now
[16:02:14] <XXCoder> that site have picture thats clickable.. to show that same image alone. why not link to bigger version or something
[16:02:43] <furrywolf> I think that's what happens when you have a click-for-big-image script but give it small images.
[16:02:45] <XXCoder> furrywolf: if you had local costco you'd be able to eat pizza and hot dog for less than 5 bcusk
[16:02:55] <XXCoder> yeah
[16:03:16] <SpeedEvil> 'with 40% actual mechanically recovered dog anus'
[16:03:22] <furrywolf> I can wolf down large quantities of hot dogs or pizza. it takes more than 5 bucks. :P
[16:03:31] <furrywolf> I don't actually much care for pizza...
[16:03:54] <XXCoder> whaaa http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Key-Cutter-Duplicator-Machine/32410408825.html
[16:03:57] <XXCoder> that is weird
[16:09:10] <furrywolf> bbl
[16:09:16] <just_pink> fish and chips? (metal chips of course)
[16:09:33] <CaptHindsight> "No matter anywhere, any time, it can be used. So it not only brings convenient to locksmiths work, but also saves them much more time."
[16:09:46] <XXCoder> chips with some chips on em please
[16:09:58] <ssi> fish gauge and metal chips?
[16:10:27] <CaptHindsight> much anytime more it saves
[16:11:27] <just_pink> ok.. I'm officially leave the computer and go to cook something
[16:11:47] <XXCoder> have fun. make sure check once a while
[16:12:01] <just_pink> ok :-)
[16:12:17] <CaptHindsight> for the locksmith that cuts the keys by the eyes
[16:12:21] <Deejay> enjoy your meal
[16:12:38] <just_pink> thanks,
[16:12:39] <XXCoder> capt good for local emergacy key making I guess
[16:13:34] <CaptHindsight> oh wait it's only $38.70 from a different vendor
[16:14:33] <CaptHindsight> priced to the ripping off of the not looking closer locksmith
[16:17:52] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkPwXPit6Wg
[16:21:36] <XXCoder> not surpised
[16:21:52] <ganzuul> Why do I get a bunch of weed paraphernalia when I look for lathes on the German Amazon?
[16:23:01] <XXCoder> ssi: lol
[16:23:16] <ssi> why do I get lathe parts when I'm trying to order weed paraphernalia on amazon?!
[16:24:59] <malcom2073> Hah
[16:25:02] <malcom2073> too much free time
[16:25:51] <MacGalempsy> so I ordered 1 NIB and 2 removed from working machine servos to replace the ones that ohm out at 30 on my machine. most places i checked quoted like $500/motor to refurbish. does this repair cost seem high?
[16:26:20] <MacGalempsy> they are nema23 with a 5" body
[16:28:27] <ganzuul> 30 ohm sounds normal
[16:28:39] <ganzuul> Are you sure it's broken?
[16:28:40] <Deejay> gn8
[16:28:46] <ganzuul> o/
[16:30:24] <zeeshan-lab> 30 ohm doesnt sound normal! :P
[16:30:35] <zeeshan-lab> it should be around 1 ohm
[16:30:42] <malcom2073> Even high voltage steppers?
[16:30:47] <zeeshan-lab> this is servo
[16:30:50] <malcom2073> Oh
[16:30:50] <zeeshan-lab> no idea on stepper
[16:30:51] <malcom2073> whups heh
[16:30:53] <malcom2073> Yeah that's bad
[16:31:11] <zeeshan-lab> im actually doing work today
[16:31:12] <zeeshan-lab> wow
[16:31:20] <zeeshan-lab> so malcom2073 did you decide to send me those servos? :P
[16:31:30] <malcom2073> zeeshan-lab: Sure, did you decide to send me tons of money? :P
[16:31:33] <zeeshan-lab> ;[
[16:31:36] <zeeshan-lab> i found a local guy
[16:31:39] <zeeshan-lab> selling brand new servos
[16:31:42] <zeeshan-lab> overstock for 200
[16:31:43] <zeeshan-lab> 2kW
[16:31:46] <malcom2073> Do it!
[16:31:49] <zeeshan-lab> baldor, siemens etc
[16:32:05] <ganzuul> On an induction motor with a starting cap, 27 ohm is normal... iirc
[16:32:06] <zeeshan-lab> i spent too much money already
[16:32:14] <zeeshan-lab> ganzuul: servo!!
[16:32:15] <malcom2073> I'm still torn between wanting to run this machine with the servos, and still being afraid the servos themselves are bad
[16:32:24] <malcom2073> You've proven (I think) that servo drivers are to bed had for $50
[16:32:26] <zeeshan-lab> you can do checks w
[16:32:33] <malcom2073> Not bad, unreliabl
[16:32:34] <zeeshan-lab> w/ multimeter
[16:32:43] <ganzuul> no wait, running cap
[16:33:01] <zeeshan-lab> go measure the coil ohms
[16:33:01] <ganzuul> zeeshan-lab: Well I don't have any servos to measure!
[16:33:03] <zeeshan-lab> see if its around 2 ohms
[16:33:05] <zeeshan-lab> or 1q
[16:33:34] <zeeshan-lab> then spin the motor and measure the voltage
[16:33:41] <zeeshan-lab> if you pass those checks youre good to go :P
[16:33:46] <malcom2073> Heh
[16:33:51] <malcom2073> I think the bearings on one of them might be meh
[16:33:55] <malcom2073> It makes a noise when I spin it
[16:33:58] <MacGalempsy> this is servo
[16:35:43] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan-lab: one servo was at 35ohm, one was at 5ohm and the other was at 1.8ohm
[16:36:13] <MacGalempsy> all three replacements were about 450
[16:36:48] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: I got some servos :-P
[16:36:55] <malcom2073> Wanna buy 'em? :)
[16:37:04] <MacGalempsy> too late, you should have hit me up yesterday
[16:37:17] <MacGalempsy> ;)
[16:37:22] <malcom2073> heh
[16:37:43] <malcom2073> zeeshan-lab: Let me borrow your 7i76
[16:38:58] <ganzuul> d00d!
[16:39:13] <ganzuul> Aliexpress keyword of the year! Shiping by sea!
[16:39:32] <malcom2073> Lol they do that
[16:41:27] <zeeshan-lab> :P
[16:42:02] <zeeshan-lab> someone give me free servos
[16:42:02] <zeeshan-lab> cmon
[16:42:03] <zeeshan-lab> ;[
[16:42:20] <zeeshan-lab> MacGalempsy: 30 ohm seems high :P
[16:42:24] * malcom2073 sends zeeshan-lab hobby servos
[16:42:39] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan-lab: that is why the replacements are coming
[16:42:48] <zeeshan-lab> MacGalempsy: ill take your old ones :)
[16:42:50] <zeeshan-lab> theyre garbage!
[16:43:08] <MacGalempsy> hahah. I will hold on them for the memories
[16:52:05] <fenn> Sync_: stmbl looks to be quite early in development and there's hardly any documentation; i can't even tell what connectors the board has or how it is supposed to be controlled. also i can buy a complete assembled and tested servo drive on ebay for less than the cost of the components for stmbl
[16:52:43] <malcom2073> Hmm, stmbl looks interesting
[16:54:33] <fenn> ok they are indeed rj45 connectors
[17:11:23] <zeeshan-lab> boy doing repetitive experiments
[17:11:32] <zeeshan-lab> fml
[17:15:49] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan-lab: what kind of experiments?
[17:16:59] <SpeedEvil> I'm guessing he's trying to grasp his wood firmly
[17:17:19] <MacGalempsy> hence the high magnification?
[17:25:57] <zeeshan-lab> no im testing that shape memory polymer stuff
[17:39:01] <furrywolf> lol
[17:39:47] <zeeshan-lab> furrywolf: did you see the fixture yet!!!
[17:41:43] <furrywolf> no
[17:42:11] * furrywolf was doing errands and getting breakfast
[17:42:46] <zeeshan-lab> http://i.imgur.com/3Le1Zpb.jpg
[17:43:14] <furrywolf> went to the local vietnamese/thai place... got fried riced with vegetables, bbq beef, and a handfull of thai hot peppers.
[17:43:45] * furrywolf still hasn't seen the fixture
[17:43:48] <furrywolf> that's just a cad rendering. :P
[17:43:53] <zeeshan-lab> lol
[17:44:21] <PetefromTn_> damn that sounds yummy!!
[17:44:55] <furrywolf> (where "a handfull" means "the amount that fits in a hand", not "a few")
[17:45:20] <furrywolf> have I mentioned lately that that's one of the least appealing shapes I've ever seen?
[17:45:57] <ssi> zeeshan-lab: wtf is that
[17:46:26] <ssi> I rarely say this but
[17:46:28] <ssi> I agree with furrywolf
[17:47:16] <zeeshan-lab> viet food is bland
[17:47:16] <zeeshan-lab> :{
[17:47:37] <ssi> not always
[17:47:39] <furrywolf> it's a job he got to machine cases for a vaporizer, of the tobacco/marijuana substitute variety.
[17:47:46] <furrywolf> zeeshan-lab: I didn't find my food bland at all.
[17:47:47] <ssi> ohh
[17:48:18] <zeeshan-lab> youre telling to this to aperson who eats indian food
[17:48:19] <zeeshan-lab> :P
[17:48:21] <furrywolf> zeeshan-lab: if I want different spices, then I head to the local indian place.
[17:48:57] <furrywolf> my favorite is a chicken kadhi with some paneer cubes tossed in, over rice, with a couple roti...
[17:50:12] <PetefromTn_> every time I have eaten Thai food it was spicy as hell huh...
[17:50:25] <furrywolf> vietnamese food isn't bland, it's just different flavors.
[17:50:28] <PetefromTn_> like light your ass on fire
[17:50:33] <ganzuul> Would be cool if more people started vaping instead of smoking tobacco. Maybe a big market for custom vapes?
[17:50:49] <furrywolf> ganzuul: would be even cooler if people simply stopped smoking.
[17:50:58] <PetefromTn_> from what I hear of it it can be just as bad for you as smoking
[17:51:05] <ganzuul> furrywolf: They do that when they die.
[17:51:08] <ssi> PetefromTn_: that remains to be seen
[17:51:13] <ssi> however it's much less bad for those around you
[17:51:24] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: I like a good helping of thai hot peppers with my food. :P
[17:51:26] <PetefromTn_> that is probably true
[17:51:26] <ganzuul> And stinks a lot less!
[17:52:02] * ganzuul has decided vaping is socially acceptable, smoking is not
[17:52:07] <ssi> ganzuul: I agree
[17:52:10] <ganzuul> Tis my papal decree.
[17:52:17] <ssi> PAPALITY
[17:52:20] * furrywolf thinks both are not
[17:52:35] * ganzuul is an ordained Discordian Pope!
[17:52:50] * furrywolf ordains self, then starts a cult
[17:52:53] <PetefromTn_> what a load of horseshit LOL
[17:53:05] <ganzuul> Well that IS how you become a Discordian Pope...
[17:54:56] <furrywolf> http://www.heirloom-organics.com/guide/va/1/guidetogrowingthaihot.html the vietnamese place here keeps those on hand for people who want them. :)
[17:54:57] <zeeshan-lab> kadhi?
[17:55:09] <zeeshan-lab> im just trolling
[17:55:12] <zeeshan-lab> i like thai food
[17:55:18] <zeeshan-lab> viet food though is bland for me
[17:55:21] <zeeshan-lab> especially pho
[17:55:40] <PetefromTn_> who?
[17:56:07] <furrywolf> pho = soup
[17:56:21] <PetefromTn_> I know I was just kidding around ;
[17:56:35] <furrywolf> http://www.food.com/recipe/indian-kadai-chicken-72321
[17:59:01] <zeeshan-lab> hm i dont think ive had
[17:59:01] <furrywolf> http://food.sify.com/nonvegrecipes/category/chicken/curries/Chicken_Kadhi-137432
[17:59:12] <zeeshan-lab> ive had chicken karahi
[17:59:15] <zeeshan-lab> but not kadhi.. :P
[17:59:28] <furrywolf> actually, the second one I pasted is the wrong version. ignore that.
[18:00:34] <PetefromTn_> I can't stand curry or chutney tho
[18:00:58] <furrywolf> I love curry.
[18:01:17] <PetefromTn_> blech
[18:01:33] <furrywolf> curry is yummy and spicy and wonderful. :P
[18:02:21] <furrywolf> (spicy as long as you get a good cook. it's often americanized to not be spicy....)
[18:03:01] <zeeshan-lab> for my im ok with curries
[18:03:06] <zeeshan-lab> but i like my briyani a lot!!
[18:03:10] <zeeshan-lab> and tandoori stuff
[18:03:18] <zeeshan-lab> damn im getting hungry now:(
[18:03:53] <furrywolf> I'm not a huge tandori fan. now that's bland. :P
[18:04:02] <PetefromTn_> my wife is making fresh fried Okra and some jambalaya tonight
[18:04:29] <PetefromTn_> if I don't eat all of the Okra before she finishes frying it LOL
[18:04:33] <furrywolf> eww, fried. don't fry it, put it in the jambalaya. :P
[18:04:43] <PetefromTn_> Nope I LOVE fried OKra
[18:04:49] <zeeshan-lab> i love okra too!!!!!1
[18:04:51] <ganzuul> http://i.imgur.com/aNMy5zi.gifv
[18:04:54] <zeeshan-lab> im growing it in my garden
[18:04:57] <zeeshan-lab> it grows so easily
[18:04:58] <PetefromTn_> tandoori is just like fried shrimp no?
[18:05:02] <zeeshan-lab> no
[18:05:05] <zeeshan-lab> its like seekh kebab
[18:05:10] <zeeshan-lab> like skewers of meat
[18:05:13] <zeeshan-lab> marinated
[18:05:40] <furrywolf> eh? tandori is not skewers. the whole point of tandori is it's baked in a tandor...
[18:05:47] <zeeshan-lab> no
[18:05:48] <zeeshan-lab> lol
[18:06:05] <PetefromTn_> I watched Anthony Bourdain visit Japan and he ate in some really amazing cool small privately owned restaurants....that looked like some DAMN GOOD EATS!!
[18:06:16] <zeeshan-lab> thats how its supposed to be done
[18:06:19] <zeeshan-lab> but around here its bbqed
[18:06:47] <PetefromTn_> they seemed to use those indoor bar be ques setups and most of it was beef and seafood...
[18:07:00] <zeeshan-lab> that guy is a lucky bastard
[18:07:01] <furrywolf> if you like skewers, go ask your local vietnamese place for beef satay.
[18:07:03] <PetefromTn_> I swear I would pay to visit Japan JUST to go to those places
[18:07:07] <zeeshan-lab> that episode of turkey
[18:07:12] <zeeshan-lab> man it was awesome
[18:07:52] <PetefromTn_> I thought the episode from Croatia was very interesting..
[18:07:59] <furrywolf> beef satay is beef marinated in ginger, garlic, and spices, then bbqed on skewers...
[18:08:22] <PetefromTn_> I have a friend I used to work with from Croatia and he always talked about how beautiful and wonderful it is...amazing food.
[18:08:49] <PetefromTn_> apparently they also make some fantastic wines
[18:10:36] <furrywolf> http://allrecipes.com/recipe/how-to-make-beef-satay/?mxt=t06dda
[18:11:16] <PetefromTn_> they just opened a new restaurant here recently
[18:11:34] <PetefromTn_> apparently the owners are native Floridians from the Keys
[18:11:34] <JT-Shop> I think there is some urtica dioica on the bike trail :(
[18:12:12] <PetefromTn_> I almost fell on the floor when I found out they not only make real key lime pies but ALSO make Conch Fritters!!!
[18:12:21] <PetefromTn_> I can't wait to check it out
[18:12:28] <furrywolf> stinging nettle? wear pants. :P
[18:12:34] <PetefromTn_> but we went there like the third day they were open
[18:12:41] <PetefromTn_> and THEY RAN OUT OF CONCH!!!
[18:13:01] <JT-Shop> I wear shorts and ExOfficio bug be gone socks
[18:13:08] <PetefromTn_> I was heartbroken... but they apoligized and gave me a card for a free Conch Fritter appetizer the next time I come over...
[18:13:13] <JT-Shop> that cover up to just below the knee
[18:13:15] <furrywolf> or pick it, cook it, and eat it.
[18:13:58] <JT-Shop> I think I'll sneak out there with my bush hog and make salad out of it
[18:14:25] <PetefromTn_> jeez man that shit sounds nasty!
[18:14:30] <ganzuul> Anti-histamines help against nettle burns
[18:14:42] <furrywolf> I don't know about salad. iirc you're supposed to cook it first. unless you're a masochist. :P
[18:15:10] <JT-Shop> well I was kidding about the salad but not about running my bush hog down the trail
[18:15:40] <PetefromTn_> hollow stinging hairs called trichomes on the leaves and stems, which act like hypodermic needles, injecting histamine and other chemicals that produce a stinging sensation when contacted by humans and other animals
[18:15:54] <PetefromTn_> lovely...
[18:17:09] <furrywolf> used to have it where I lived before, haven't seen any around here... never got around to tasting it. heh.
[18:17:10] <JT-Shop> aye nice to bump into
[18:17:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah kinda like when I stepped on some sea urchins in a lagoon down in florida. LOTS of fun...
[18:18:08] <JT-Shop> the Beef Satay looks real good, gotta try that soon.
[18:18:21] <PetefromTn_> it does actually...never heard of it before
[18:18:34] <PetefromTn_> what does it taste like? besides the obvious I mean
[18:18:51] <JT-Shop> I have a cheeze stuffed bacon wrapped burger roll in the smoker now
[18:18:59] <furrywolf> like a gingery garlicy bbq beef with a slight hint of green curry...
[18:19:21] <PetefromTn_> oh hell curry killed it...
[18:19:37] <furrywolf> try it. :P
[18:20:36] <JT-Shop> curry?
[18:21:19] <PetefromTn_> ooh it has brown sugar and lots of nice spicy stuff tho..
[18:21:25] <PetefromTn_> how bad could it be hehe
[18:22:43] <PetefromTn_> ginger, garlic,soy sauce...it keeps getting better....where is the curry?
[18:23:06] <furrywolf> I said it had a slight hint of curry taste, not that it contained curry. :P
[18:23:39] <furrywolf> lemongrass, cumin, corriander, tumeric... gives it a slight green curry taste.
[18:25:16] <furrywolf> http://www.templeofthai.com/recipes/thai_green_curry_paste.php note garlic, lemongrass, cumin, coriander, fish sauce are also green curry ingredients.
[18:28:53] <furrywolf> (note that different color curries taste very different - green curry does not taste much like yellow or red curry)
[18:31:46] <zeeshan-lab> brown curry tastes like poop
[18:34:19] <furrywolf> zeeshan-lab: http://allrecipes.com/recipe/how-to-make-beef-satay/?mxt=t06dda
[18:34:29] <furrywolf> get next time you're at a vietnamese place. :P
[18:35:30] <zeeshan-lab> ive had to stop eating out
[18:35:36] <zeeshan-lab> at asian places, im super allergic to msg
[18:35:54] <zeeshan-lab> but i wouldnt mind making that at home
[18:36:34] <furrywolf> if your place uses msg, go somewhere else!
[18:36:41] <furrywolf> no competent cook uses it
[18:36:42] <zeeshan-lab> thats the problem
[18:36:50] <zeeshan-lab> you can never tell where
[18:36:50] <furrywolf> nor does any good food contain it
[18:36:52] <zeeshan-lab> till its too late
[18:37:03] <zeeshan-lab> sometimes they will say theres no msg and ill start reacting
[18:37:14] <zeeshan-lab> and confront them and they say maybe a sauce had it
[18:37:18] <zeeshan-lab> "they dont add msg!"
[18:37:44] <furrywolf> good places don't use prepared sauces. :P
[18:38:28] <furrywolf> do you have papa murphy's pizza up there? I know they're all over the US, but I don't know if they go past the US... they use MSG in their pizza sauce.
[18:38:39] <zeeshan-lab> no we dont
[18:39:09] <furrywolf> I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets sick eating MSG. heh.
[18:39:36] <zeeshan-lab> im pretty useless after it
[18:39:47] <zeeshan-lab> ill get preventricular contractions
[18:39:51] <zeeshan-lab> within 10 min of eating it
[18:40:00] <zeeshan-lab> and they dont go away for a week
[18:40:21] <furrywolf> no idea what that is. I get a headache, don't feel well, and go pee every hour for the next day or so.
[18:44:24] <zeeshan-lab> i pee every hour too!
[18:44:24] <zeeshan-lab> lol
[18:44:25] <zeeshan-lab> haha
[18:44:29] <zeeshan-lab> pvc is skipped heart beats
[18:45:55] <furrywolf> googling says you're not the only one who gets them from eating msg
[18:45:59] <furrywolf> ... and they dump it in food.
[18:46:05] * furrywolf hates people
[18:47:39] <zeeshan-lab> hehe
[18:53:46] * malcom2073 hates dumb people
[18:53:53] <malcom2073> just so happens, that statistically, that rounds to "people"
[18:54:37] <furrywolf> think about how dumb your average joe is... then remember that about half the population is dumber than average.
[18:55:11] <malcom2073> Yessir
[18:55:23] * furrywolf doesn't know if the joke would work with "median joe", despite being more accurate. :P
[18:55:26] <malcom2073> furrywolf: zeeshan has almost convinced me to try out servos.
[18:55:47] <PetefromTn_> DO IT!!!!
[18:55:54] <furrywolf> yeas
[18:55:54] <furrywolf> yes
[18:56:24] <malcom2073> Worst case: I get in more than $600 deep, and sell the whole shebang for scrap price and come out even
[18:57:03] <PetefromTn_> that's pretty pessimistic no?
[19:00:11] <furrywolf> before powering up the drives, pop the covers off and check for corrosion. if major, such as component leads shorting or rusted through, gently wire brush before applying power, and repair any broken leads. apply power to drives. be prepared to remove power quickly. then apply, say, +5v to the control on the drives (assuming +/-10v). motor should take off.
[19:00:57] <malcom2073> Yep, I plan on completly removing the drives, cleaning them with alcohol
[19:01:09] <malcom2073> There's dust, and stuff draped over it, just asking for shorts
[19:01:17] <furrywolf> don't do unneeded cleaning. you're more likely to create problems.
[19:01:32] <malcom2073> If cleaning would break it, they will break at the most inconvenient time
[19:01:34] <furrywolf> alcohol might remove useful silkscreening, and can damage some components.
[19:02:04] <malcom2073> I'm not using vodka... I'm using board cleaner, rubbing alcohol
[19:02:46] <malcom2073> But yes, I'll be gentle anyway heh
[19:02:47] <furrywolf> yes. don't do unneeded cleaning. :P
[19:03:04] <furrywolf> if it ain't broke, don't fix it. :)
[19:03:12] <malcom2073> Must stress it to ensure reliability! :P
[19:03:46] <furrywolf> I washed two of my laptops outside with a garden hose, dish soap, and scrub brush. :P
[19:03:52] <malcom2073> Turns out it has a 230/72V transformer and a regulator that I can use to power the drives
[19:03:56] <malcom2073> Lol
[19:04:28] <furrywolf> the best part was when washing one of them, the mailman showed up to deliver a package. he kinda stared for a few seconds, not quite sure what to say... finally "umm, are you sure that's a good idea?"
[19:04:34] <malcom2073> Bwahaha
[19:04:38] <malcom2073> That's awesome
[19:05:02] <furrywolf> then I turned it on, still dripping wet, and showed him it working.
[19:05:04] <furrywolf> toughbooks++ :P
[19:05:20] <malcom2073> Ahhh yep. Gotta love toughbooks
[19:05:23] <malcom2073> we just scrapped like 20 of them
[19:05:24] <malcom2073> :(
[19:05:27] <malcom2073> Dude I hate my job.
[19:05:39] <furrywolf> scrapped?! you're supposed to "accidentally" scrap them into the trunk of your car.
[19:05:58] <malcom2073> Dude I tried, I tried hard. I managed to pick up fans, heatshrink (the good stuff), wire, but couldn't even touch the electronics
[19:06:26] <malcom2073> Too closely watched by govt. reps who were there to "disposition" stuff
[19:06:54] <furrywolf> heh
[19:07:36] <furrywolf> I have one of those toughbooks for controlling my mill... I can slime it with swarf and cutting fluid, and hose it down. :)
[19:07:54] <malcom2073> Is that the kind with the annoying-to-type-on waterproof keyboards?
[19:08:35] <furrywolf> there's three kinds of waterproof keyboards... I have the one that feels like a regular keyboard. I don't have the water-and-everything-else-proof rubber one.
[19:08:47] <furrywolf> then there's the fancy backlit one, which I also don't have.
[19:08:53] <malcom2073> You don't want the rubber one, they're annoying
[19:08:58] <malcom2073> The normal regular keyboard waterproof ones are nice
[19:09:55] <ganzuul> w00t!
[19:10:00] <furrywolf> yes, and I've heard the rubber one is also prone to tearing and becoming nothing-proof.
[19:10:04] <ganzuul> I have found the bestest lathe!
[19:10:06] <malcom2073> heh
[19:10:09] <malcom2073> ganzuul: is it free?
[19:10:13] <ganzuul> nope
[19:10:14] <ganzuul> £745.21
[19:10:15] <malcom2073> Awww
[19:10:22] <ganzuul> incl. shipping to Finland
[19:10:26] <malcom2073> Best lathe is a free lathe :P
[19:10:40] <furrywolf> that must be a teenytiniest lathe.
[19:11:32] <malcom2073> furrywolf: If I have a 5v power supply, I should be able to just ground reference it to the driver and apply that to the +/-10v part yeah?
[19:11:46] <furrywolf> yes
[19:11:47] <ganzuul> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathes/Model-C3-Mini-Lathe/Model-Super-C3-Mini-Lathe#Model-Super-C3-Mini-Lathe
[19:11:58] <ganzuul> malcom2073: I don't think I can get a free lathe...
[19:12:10] <malcom2073> ganzuul: Move to the USA, you can
[19:12:19] <malcom2073> Wow that thing is tiny heh
[19:12:20] <ganzuul> :,<
[19:12:30] <furrywolf> make sure to do these tests in circumstances where a motor spinning full speed won't do major damage in less time than it takes you to kill power. if the motors are still on the machine, center the axes first to buy you time.
[19:12:36] <ganzuul> 500W brushless DC!
[19:12:58] <ganzuul> They say it has safety features.
[19:13:05] <malcom2073> furrywolf: I figured I'd just remove the belt, and leave it on the machine
[19:13:05] <ganzuul> Some measure of foolproofing.
[19:13:17] <furrywolf> malcom2073: yes, that would do it.
[19:13:54] <malcom2073> I'll pull the drives this week sometime and inspect them, also need to pull the 230/72v transformer, and get it wired up properly. They had a 110->230, then 230->72 wired in
[19:14:04] <furrywolf> 40kg. lol.
[19:14:15] <furrywolf> little lathe.
[19:14:25] <ganzuul> >=|
[19:14:25] <furrywolf> my new mill weighs closer to 2000kg. :)
[19:14:31] <malcom2073> Do they give you tweesers to turn the cross slide?
[19:14:37] <malcom2073> compound slide rather
[19:14:46] <ganzuul> Well I don't have a place to put a multi-tonne lathe
[19:15:48] <malcom2073> ganzuul: You know we joke about it, but it's better than nothing
[19:15:56] <ganzuul> ye
[19:16:01] <malcom2073> Ifi t gets you into machining and gets the job done, then more power to ya, but damn that's tiny lol
[19:16:06] <ganzuul> Currently; nothing
[19:16:08] <furrywolf> ganzuul: I own a 10kg-ish lathe. :)
[19:16:14] <ganzuul> Well, Ordered some brazing wire and flux
[19:16:19] <ganzuul> :o
[19:16:23] <furrywolf> you can easily carry it in one hand. :P
[19:16:30] <malcom2073> Lol
[19:16:31] <ganzuul> that's kinda cool...
[19:17:22] <furrywolf> http://www.sherline.com/4000pg.htm one of those
[19:17:39] <malcom2073> That's so cute
[19:17:48] <ganzuul> <3
[19:18:05] <ganzuul> I hear those compare to the Taig/Peatol ones.
[19:18:12] <malcom2073> I kinda want a tabletop lathe, like in the 50-100lb range
[19:18:16] <malcom2073> Something I can have inside
[19:18:32] <furrywolf> malcom2073: there's lots of chinese ones like that, like the one ganzuul is getting.
[19:18:52] <ganzuul> There are bigger versions of it. Like the SC4, SC6, SC8...
[19:19:06] <malcom2073> Someday heh
[19:19:10] <furrywolf> my shoptask is tabletop, but around 650lbs.
[19:19:12] <just_pink> I'm back
[19:19:20] <malcom2073> furrywolf: how much does your big white machine weigh?
[19:19:49] <ganzuul> This Super C3 is like an SC2 but with 100mm more space at no extra cost.
[19:19:53] <furrywolf> aroun 650lbs
[19:19:54] <furrywolf> around
[19:20:36] <malcom2073> Oh that's the shoptask? nice
[19:21:20] <furrywolf> my big green+grey+yellow+rust machine weighs about 4000lbs.
[19:21:32] <ganzuul> Oh and these brushless DC types are also quiter.
[19:26:29] <furrywolf> if I get time, I'll poke at the b&s more tomorrow... still need to deal with the knee gear issue.
[19:29:03] <furrywolf> I decided I'm only going to do minimal repairs to it... it really needs a complete teardown and rebuild, and I don't think it's worth it.
[19:29:19] <furrywolf> the Y leadscrew is shot, for example.
[19:29:38] <furrywolf> and with 70 years of use, none of those bolts are going to come out nicely.
[19:29:49] <furrywolf> especially since they're all slotted heads!
[19:30:33] <malcom2073> Wait what b&s? You got a new machine?
[19:30:46] <ganzuul> No planned obsolencense though
[19:31:03] <furrywolf> I got a well-used brown&sharpe no.2 light mill.
[19:31:28] <malcom2073> oh cool
[19:32:15] <LatheBuilder2> ok, built new Debian box & fixed password problem. Updated 5i25 firmware to current (was v33). Thanks for the tips PCW. From where do I run the 7i77 update script? I understand I need to set jumpers w4 & w12 first.
[19:32:37] <LatheBuilder2> (Used mesaflash)
[19:34:07] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/bsmill01.jpg http://fw.bushytails.net/bsmill02.jpg looks like that. :)
[19:34:22] <malcom2073> cool
[19:34:40] <renesis> damn yo that shits got character
[19:34:44] <zeeshan> archivist: my moms is visitng my sister in england
[19:34:56] <zeeshan> can you go flea market hunting for me and send the parts to my sister! :P
[19:35:18] <furrywolf> it's bigger than those photos make it look... 6.5ft tall, 4000lbs.
[19:36:09] <malcom2073> Oh nice
[19:36:11] <furrywolf> it's amazing how much things are exactly the same as 1945. heh.
[19:36:57] <PCW> LatheBuilder2: first fetch and unzip http://freeby.mesanet.com/software/parallel/sserial.zip
[19:37:46] <LatheBuilder2> Ahh, that's what I am missing. have the 5i25.zip. switching back to shop computer to do that
[19:37:49] <furrywolf> sure, there's been improvements, but overall there's very little different between that machine and a new knee mill.
[19:41:32] <malcom2073> Amazing isn't that?
[19:42:18] <fenn> because nobody uses knee mills for serious production anymore
[19:42:50] <ganzuul> WWII tech is surprisingly advanced.
[19:42:57] <renesis> dunno about that, theyre used for a lot of simple processes
[19:43:34] <renesis> pretty sure the cast and finished machined parts at work are usually drilled with bushing on a knee mill
[19:43:47] <renesis> few thousand unit runs
[19:44:02] <fenn> also this looks a lot different to me than your brown & sharpe http://fennetic.net/irc/vertical_mill_naked.jpg
[19:44:17] <renesis> omg that looks like sex
[19:44:27] <ganzuul> Does casting iron around precision ground surfaces work?
[19:44:27] <LatheBuilderShop> PCW > have it unzipped. Shutting down mill box to switch jumpers. Run [update7i77] from the sserial/utils/linuxcnc/ ?
[19:44:52] <renesis> ganzuul: what do you mean?
[19:45:05] <renesis> like, casting over ground surfaces to make a moving part?
[19:45:14] <fenn> molten iron will destroy any precision anything
[19:45:22] <fenn> unless it's made of unobtanium
[19:45:42] <renesis> yeah srs, sounds like a lot of drama to make a lot of problems to provide a solution that doesnt help much
[19:45:46] <ganzuul> You have your mold, you place steel rails, or ball bearing or what not in the mold, and pour molten iron over it.
[19:46:05] <ganzuul> Then, expect the rails etc to remain in good shape.
[19:46:07] <renesis> you would be lucky if the precision piece was the same after
[19:46:19] <fenn> the heat will warp the hell out of anything you put in the mold
[19:46:20] <renesis> its not impossible
[19:46:34] <fenn> also the casting itself warps as it cools, and then continues to warp for months afterward unless heat treated
[19:46:34] <furrywolf> " As a used computer, it should keep its value at around half its new price." I hate people.
[19:46:42] <renesis> like, you could internally cool the precision part and account for flex and expension
[19:46:43] <ganzuul> oooh
[19:46:57] <renesis> but again, a lot of drama for something that prob isnt helping much
[19:47:01] <PCW> LatheBuilderShop: you have to power cycle (both) 7I77s power sources after changing the jumpers
[19:47:01] <ganzuul> Didn't know castings lived like that.
[19:47:11] <furrywolf> people on craigslist selling old computers for ten times what they're worth... and they often say something stupid like that!
[19:47:22] <fenn> ganzuul: you can do something closer to what you want if you use epoxy granite
[19:47:28] <renesis> well if someone buys it that would make them pretty smart, no?
[19:47:43] <renesis> honest, maybe not, but what sales puke is?
[19:48:34] <ganzuul> fenn: That's true...
[19:49:14] <fenn> i am thinking about trying out regular old portlant cement concrete
[19:49:20] <fenn> portland*
[19:50:48] <ganzuul> Might not need a solid slab of granite, come to think of it.
[19:51:08] <fenn> tubes are stiffer for a given mass
[19:51:45] <ganzuul> Glass fibers also aide with stiffness.
[19:51:59] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: As a used pizza, it should keep about half its price
[19:52:38] <malcom2073> Used pizza's never keep half their slices :/
[19:53:22] <ganzuul> What'd happen if you managed to impregnate glass wool insulation with epoxy...? And retain some of the air.
[19:53:23] <PetefromTn_> I need to make some NEW wood fired pizza here at some point....
[19:53:37] <ganzuul> Could you get a cheapo aerogel?
[19:54:08] <ganzuul> It might be very rigid, yet light.
[19:54:08] <furrywolf> no
[19:55:06] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: aerogel is in principle quite makeable
[19:55:26] <SpeedEvil> The properties of the fibre in glass wool insulation is utter, utter shite.
[19:55:31] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: you got a wood oven?
[19:55:40] <ganzuul> bleh
[19:55:41] <PetefromTn_> no
[19:55:45] <SpeedEvil> (for mechanical properties)
[19:55:55] <ganzuul> mmh...
[19:55:58] <PetefromTn_> I have one of those egg style smoker/grill/ovens
[19:56:05] <renesis> no shit?
[19:56:08] <renesis> you like it?
[19:56:11] <zeeshan> nice!
[19:56:21] <zeeshan> i ddidnt know you could make pizza on those
[19:56:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is pretty cool...it is not one of the crazy expensive ones..
[19:56:39] <renesis> so its not green?
[19:56:50] <renesis> everyone seems to like them
[19:57:38] <PetefromTn_> no it is grey LOL
[19:57:46] <renesis> theyre like the new weber dome
[19:58:07] <ganzuul> Glass fiber reinforced plastic might actually work for machine beds... Not sure if it'd work well, but it would be better than wood. Possibly, better than concrete?
[19:58:07] <renesis> kind of want one of those hibachi webers
[19:58:30] <PetefromTn_> mine is an chargriller Akorn Kamado grill with the rolling stand
[19:58:44] <furrywolf> ganzuul: quiet, or china will start selling plastic machine tools.
[19:58:51] <ganzuul> :D
[19:58:56] <ganzuul> That'd be awesome.
[19:59:08] <renesis> stability of the glass fiber would depend on the matrix material, and yeah if it was solid, maybe more stable than concrete
[19:59:19] <ganzuul> They already sell a lathe made out of aluminium profiles.
[19:59:21] <renesis> but damn thats a lot of solid composite
[19:59:25] <PetefromTn_> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Char-Griller-Akorn-Kamado-Kooker-22-in-Charcoal-Grill-in-Grey-with-Cart-6520/204151650 this is sthe one I have
[19:59:59] <PetefromTn_> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Char-Griller-Akorn-Kamado-Smoking-Stone-6201/204151984 this is the smoking/pizza stone they make for it..
[20:00:20] <renesis> ive seen thick glass fiber doped plastic cabinets for subwoofers, shit is so rigid
[20:00:27] <ganzuul> Anyway, I urgently need a shower.
[20:00:50] <furrywolf> I made pizza on a woodstove once. just tossed the pizza on top of it, then put a metal box over to the top of that to trap heat so the top side would cook too.
[20:00:57] <renesis> maybe 1/4" thick, no flex, inches of that shit is prob like granite
[20:01:24] <renesis> wood oven pizza is hipster shit
[20:01:24] <LatheBuilderShop> PCW, power cycle done (field power/5i25 bus power/ and the separate 5v rail it is config'd for)
[20:01:42] <renesis> theres a place called persona pizza in santa barbara has them, omfg so tasty
[20:01:58] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLXNo9PLJ8s this is basically how you do it..
[20:01:59] <renesis> not sure if theyre wood heated or they just throw the wood in for flavor
[20:02:00] <furrywolf> ... rather than being hipster shit, we had 15 pizzas and no other source of heat. :P
[20:02:38] <PetefromTn_> I have eaten plenty of wood fired pizza it is pretty damn good stuff LOL
[20:02:43] <renesis> yeah these things are big brick overs, prob fit a dozen 12" pizza without crowding
[20:02:56] <renesis> yeah the crust is so tasty
[20:03:04] <renesis> its wood ash =\
[20:03:06] <PetefromTn_> hipster or not I'm eatin it LOL'
[20:03:14] <renesis> yeah its tasty
[20:03:34] <renesis> they let you create the pizza pizza rev/pieology style
[20:03:37] <furrywolf> a friend of a friend worked at a pizza place... he called my friend up, "duuuude, we have like 15 or 20 pizzas no one picked up today. come here before we lock the door and they're yours"... and my friend's oven wasn't working.
[20:03:59] <furrywolf> so we had woodstove pizza. :)
[20:04:02] <renesis> they were baked?
[20:04:05] <renesis> oh
[20:04:18] <renesis> i was like who cares just fridge them and eat cold
[20:04:43] <furrywolf> no, unbaked. it was a take-n-bake pizza place.
[20:04:52] <renesis> such a scam
[20:05:12] <PetefromTn_> we have one of those nearby here.
[20:05:19] <renesis> dough mixer and some big cutting boards
[20:05:26] <PetefromTn_> apparently you order it and they put it together and you take it home and bake it
[20:05:40] <renesis> besides the location thats your buy in cost
[20:05:45] <renesis> and a fuckin cash register
[20:06:07] <PetefromTn_> I think it is just pretty easy to make your own pizza dough and get fresh ingredients yourself really...
[20:06:21] <renesis> doe can be drama and it takes awhile
[20:06:25] <malcom2073> I like pizza hut
[20:06:32] <renesis> cant stand
[20:06:39] <renesis> but i kind of got addicted to dominos
[20:07:10] <renesis> i could get free ship because amex, and online ordering, with coupon can get two medium two topping for like $13
[20:07:26] <PetefromTn_> I like pizza hut meat lovers pizza but it is some damn greasy shit usually....
[20:07:32] <renesis> i went to round table and got a medium two topping, like one, and those fuckers charged me $20
[20:07:48] <renesis> ill hit that shit with paper towells usually
[20:08:04] <furrywolf> I don't like pizza hut. or dominos.
[20:08:06] <furrywolf> crap quality.
[20:08:10] <PetefromTn_> I love a good Calzone the most with some fresh Ricotta cheeze and real italian sausage...
[20:08:18] <renesis> pizza hut brushed the crust with insane amounts of olive oil
[20:08:32] <renesis> pizza hut thin crust and deep dish isnt bad
[20:08:38] <renesis> especially for the cust
[20:08:42] <PetefromTn_> I love olive oil but they make it greasy man....too much so I think
[20:08:50] <renesis> but mostly i prefer local nyc style places
[20:09:18] <renesis> pepperoni mushrooms and basic well done with mad pepper flakes ftmfw
[20:09:26] <renesis> *basil
[20:09:36] <LatheBuilderShop> PCW, in terminal. /sserial/utils/linuxcnc/ >> sudo update7i77 command not found. Sorry, what next?
[20:09:37] <PetefromTn_> after apparently visiting one of the best Chicago style pizzarias in that crazy city I have decided that NY style deep dish is the best..
[20:10:10] <PetefromTn_> I can't get used to the sauce on top man....that's just wierd....
[20:10:12] <renesis> and yeah pizza rev brushes the crust with olive oil and its tastey, pieology too
[20:10:23] <renesis> but they ask, and pizza hut uses way more
[20:10:32] <renesis> its like they got an olive oil garden hose back there
[20:10:40] <PetefromTn_> are you sure it is olive oil they put on it?
[20:10:55] <renesis> its also the meat they use
[20:11:03] <renesis> but they put a lot of olive oil on the cust
[20:11:34] <renesis> i didnt know what it was, exgf told me she worked there (long time ago but it still tastes like oil sponge)
[20:12:05] <renesis> i think dominos does it on their deep dish but not as much
[20:12:05] <PCW> LatheBuilderShop: did you read the README file?
[20:12:29] * Tom_itx wanders into the cooking channel
[20:12:39] <renesis> dominos thin crust is tastey as fuck but its the same price and its literally like 1/3 the volume of pizza
[20:12:46] <renesis> totally a scam
[20:12:56] <renesis> so tastey tho =\
[20:13:24] <Topy44> hm, quick general question: what is the most accurate type of end stop?
[20:13:25] <renesis> i stopped ordering it last semester because poor and decided thin crust was the pizza for the rich fucks
[20:13:36] <renesis> lasers!?
[20:13:51] <Tom_itx> original pizza hut his here on the college campus: http://www.wichita.edu/thisis/buildingtour/?tour_sysid=47
[20:14:33] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Can you answer a quick question about recompiling the fpga bit file (based on your wiki entry)
[20:14:45] <renesis> thats funny bc pizza hut totally sounds like a corny campus cafe name
[20:14:48] <Tom_itx> if i can't i bet pcw can
[20:14:50] <os1r1s> I know, I asked a question about a question :P
[20:15:03] <PCW> from /sserial/utils/linuxcnc/ first:
[20:15:05] <PCW> sudo ./ssinstall
[20:15:06] <PCW> then
[20:15:08] <PCW> ./update7i77
[20:16:25] <Tom_itx> renesis, their corporate offices were here but moved out of town
[20:16:39] <LatheBuilderShop> (sheepish ahhh!). I thought the ./ referred to [whatever path to here] not part of the cmd. running it. I did go through the readme
[20:16:43] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: If I want to add a differential encoder using a few inputs on the 5i25. I imagine I can, but it would be best to do it through changing the fpga bit file. Does that sound right?
[20:17:34] <PCW> ( this assumes you have set both mode jumpers on the 7I77 to setup mode and cycled both 7I77 power supplies )
[20:17:41] <Tom_itx> that may be a PCW question but i think the encoder would work for it
[20:18:04] <ganzuul> Then again, brazing together a bunch of square steel tubing might be more economical than gluing fiberglass preforms...
[20:18:26] <PCW> differential or single ended are the same at the FPGA level
[20:18:47] <Tom_itx> os1r1s, does it curretnly have the encoder function in the bitfile?
[20:19:03] <os1r1s> PCW: I can't just assign that to a few inputs in linuxcnc though, I actually need to change the bitfile right?
[20:19:20] <Tom_itx> if you need it to go to certain pins you would
[20:19:34] <Tom_itx> ie differential input from a daughter card
[20:19:39] <PCW> you can for a software encoder, but a hardware encoder is hardwired and but be in the bitfile
[20:19:49] <PCW> must be
[20:20:34] <os1r1s> PCW: Is that part of the verilog/vhdl that I can assign or is it already there?
[20:20:55] <Tom_itx> it's already there but you need to add the function to the bitfile
[20:21:09] <Tom_itx> an instance of it
[20:21:55] <os1r1s> Ok. So I'll have to pull open the files and dig. Where is the download with the xise project files?
[20:22:10] <PCW> it depends on configuration, all pins can be GPIO but modules like encoders or PWM gens or UARTs must be built into the bit file ant have a fixed pinout
[20:22:16] <Tom_itx> 5i25.zip
[20:22:29] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Oh cool, so its actually bundled in there
[20:22:30] <os1r1s> Great
[20:22:51] <Tom_itx> you will need to find one that will work for what you are doing or mod one to suit
[20:22:52] <PCW> you can read the current configurations info with mesaflash
[20:23:09] <Tom_itx> i'd save the current one so you know what you started with
[20:23:17] <Tom_itx> or know what was in it
[20:23:22] <Tom_itx> not sure it's saveable
[20:23:29] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: I have that somewhere, but I'll make sure to make a backup
[20:23:34] <PCW> ( to see what modules are included and what pins they connect to )
[20:23:43] <Tom_itx> ^^ what he said
[20:24:00] <PCW> sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --readhmid
[20:24:05] <os1r1s> PCW: Right. Ok. Awesome.
[20:24:18] <Tom_itx> for timing purposes you may have to dump a function you aren't using to add it in
[20:24:21] <Tom_itx> just depends
[20:24:30] <os1r1s> PCW: When it pertains to the 5i25 interfaced to the 7i76, are there other limitations?
[20:24:45] <Tom_itx> i had one i did that i had to remove a function to meet timing requirements
[20:25:08] <LatheBuilderShop> PCW, "installing ss firmware files: mv: cannot stat `*.BIN': No such file or directory". I unzipped into Downloads folder and ran from instructed directory. Is script dependent on unzip path?
[20:25:26] <Tom_itx> iirc most of the 5i25 .vhd files have the db25 pinout listed in them
[20:25:54] <Tom_itx> so you know where the io should go
[20:26:25] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Awesome
[20:26:39] <LatheBuilderShop> rather, ran from instructed subdirectory
[20:26:40] <Tom_itx> just don't shoot your foot off
[20:27:28] <PCW> sorry need to copy ssinstall to firmware directory or firmware files to linuxcnc dir
[20:31:33] <tiwake> 1018 is annoying to get a good surface finish with
[20:34:09] <LatheBuilderShop> to /lib/firmware/?
[20:36:05] <PCW> no, sserial/firmware is where the .BIN files are
[20:44:27] <PCW> I fixed the sserial.zip file by adding the .BIN files to the linuxcnc directory
[20:54:24] <LatheBuilderShop> I must be running on fumes. Saving the chat log and trying again in the morning. Thanks for the help PCW
[20:57:10] <PCW> good to shake this out, as soon as 2.7 is released a lot of people with older sserial cards will get firmware update warning messages
[20:57:43] <PCW> sorry for the misplaced files
[20:59:24] <Tom_itx> daughter cards?
[20:59:28] <PCW> they were right in a previous incarnation of sserial.zip but i mots have deleted or not copied them somehow,
[20:59:29] <PCW> maybe when I added the Ethernet FPGA card support to the scripts
[21:00:25] <PCW> yeah anything with a sserial link that's older than around the end or 2013 will need updating
[21:00:37] <PCW> end of
[21:00:40] <Tom_itx> maybe i should have payed attention...
[21:00:49] <Tom_itx> i've got those 2 laying around
[21:01:03] <PCW> 2.7 will bellyache if you use older cards
[21:01:14] <Tom_itx> what's the update process?
[21:01:38] <Tom_itx> on the daughter card itself?
[21:01:54] <PCW> well... until mesaflash gets smart enough to do it you use the provided scripts
[21:02:42] <Tom_itx> i may cross this bridge later... just got things working again
[21:02:52] <PCW> (and andys setsserial utility which is part of 2.7)
[21:03:13] <Tom_itx> are the update files in sserial.zip?
[21:03:20] <PCW> yes
[21:03:22] <Tom_itx> k
[21:03:31] <Tom_itx> i'll make a mental note at least
[21:03:43] <PCW> one bug, all cards :-)
[21:04:10] <PCW> same bug all cards
[21:04:17] <Tom_itx> better than different bugs on different cards
[21:04:28] <PCW> yes it is
[21:04:58] <PCW> advantage of shared code
[21:06:01] <PCW> its a nasty bug but hard to trigger so I doubt anyone has noticed
[21:06:43] <Tom_itx> who discovered it?
[21:06:53] <PCW> We did
[21:07:00] <Tom_itx> ahh
[21:07:24] <PCW> (with our serial link noise injector )
[21:07:56] <Tom_itx> if you ever get caught up i'd still like to get a couple of those chips from you for that other 7i47s
[21:08:18] <Tom_itx> i've got the chips pulled and packed it away for now
[21:08:19] <furrywolf> he said he's working on 7i76es, so must be getting somewhat caught up. :)
[21:08:46] <PCW> I have a bag of 600 ISL32273Es you are welcome to
[21:09:39] <Tom_itx> i need the 74
[21:09:46] <Tom_itx> and an act04
[21:10:05] <Tom_itx> is the 73 the tx chip?
[21:10:25] <PCW> bblRX
[21:10:43] <PCW> rx
[21:10:44] <PCW> bbl
[21:12:32] <t12> https://vimeo.com/127605643
[21:39:03] <Wolf_> that video is pretty neat
[21:47:12] <furrywolf> is it sad that I saw SHRDLU and immediately knew it was going to involve hot type? heh
[21:47:37] <furrywolf> video doesn't seem to play, though. apparantly vimeo is yet another site that claims to have html5 video, but still relies on something non-standard.
[21:48:06] <t12> you need to get some real internets man
[21:48:59] <furrywolf> somehow I don't think a faster connection fixes crappy websites.
[21:49:41] * furrywolf wishes sites would just include the video without trying to wrap it in custom players
[21:49:47] <t12> vimeo works pretty well
[21:50:51] * furrywolf grabs the video url and wgets it instead
[21:56:16] <furrywolf> it's funny you posted that, because last week someone posted a complete, working linotype machine on craigslist here... I suggested in here that someone should turn one into the world's slowest pc printer. :)
[21:56:40] <cradek> I wish they explained how the images were done
[22:01:24] <t12> theres some other videos on the account
[22:01:31] <t12> that explain the computerized phototypesetting
[22:01:50] <t12> hum but not sure about the halftoning etc
[22:02:14] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: it's a real shame that <img> diddn't properly have a video option from teh start
[22:02:25] <SpeedEvil> Or media
[22:02:35] <t12> https://vimeo.com/134626010
[22:02:43] <furrywolf> when the img tag was invented, video was not useful.
[22:02:48] <blib> Anyone knows of a good place I can rent a CNC machine for a few minutes. Need to get a design printed in alum/steel. 23mm x 23mm x 16mm cuts - 20 or so of them
[22:03:11] <furrywolf> blib: there's several online machine shops where you send a model and a part arrives in the mail.
[22:04:42] <blib> furrywolf: can you point me to 2-3 of them, so that I can get quotes?
[22:04:52] <t12> firstcut
[22:05:00] <t12> theres a place called metal magic just for press plates
[22:06:20] <furrywolf> blib: I can't, because I don't remember any of the names people in here have mentioned. heh.
[22:07:28] <blib> http://www.metalmagic.com/see-our-work/ - how do they do this?
[22:07:55] <SpeedEvil> Magic!
[22:08:30] <blib> with my 3d printer - it looks 100 years ahead for sure :) = Magic
[22:09:00] <SpeedEvil> blib: A scale wouldn't kill them
[22:09:26] <SpeedEvil> http://www.metalmagic.com/#welcome
[22:09:47] <SpeedEvil> Well - the 'here's how we do it' video may be a clue. (I have not watcheD)
[22:10:31] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: derp
[22:11:29] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I guess I was assuming I'd seen html as soon as it was developed
[22:11:58] <SpeedEvil> On reflection, I am unsure
[22:12:26] <t12> i have a large pile of metal magic dies
[22:12:27] <t12> from a scrapyard
[22:12:31] <t12> they're pretty nice
[22:13:52] <SpeedEvil> I think I must first have seen a graphical browser at a visit to uni in late 93
[22:14:33] <SpeedEvil> Which about ties in with the first animations I was seeing at that time
[22:15:18] <furrywolf> animation != video
[22:16:18] <furrywolf> when html came out, if you were wealthy, you had a super-spiffy 14.4k modem. and if you lived in town, it might even connect at that speed sometimes.
[22:17:04] <furrywolf> existing video codecs required vastly more space than modern ones, and even a modern one would be useless at 1K/sec.
[22:17:28] <SpeedEvil> that doesn't stop downloading working
[22:18:02] <SpeedEvil> Plus - HTML was developed at CERN - where some of the fastest networks in the world were under develpment
[22:18:16] <furrywolf> it does make including a video feature in html not useful. as I said, there were no suitable codecs, and no use for it.
[22:18:39] <furrywolf> some forward-thinking person might have gone "someday we'll be able to use this!", but that's not how html came about. :)
[22:18:43] * SpeedEvil sighs.
[22:19:20] * SpeedEvil is having a fun feeling of dread for no reason which makes sleeping real fun.
[22:20:13] * SpeedEvil goes to re-read the alumina casting paper.
[22:21:19] <furrywolf> never mind back then most systems couldn't even play a video if you gave it one... between unsuitable video hardware, lack of disc space to store it, lack of any OS features for video files (windows 3.1, remember?), lack of video software,...
[22:21:29] <furrywolf> hell, back then, hifi sound was a novelty...
[22:21:46] <SpeedEvil> I had slightly misremembered when html was invented
[22:21:50] <SpeedEvil> hence the confusion
[22:22:23] <furrywolf> remember when video games would show animations at 1 frame per second? :P
[22:22:40] <SpeedEvil> yes
[22:25:25] * furrywolf bets the most-used html animation in the '90s was the blink tag. :)
[22:40:18] <furrywolf> speaking of html... metal magic needs to use a lot less of it.
[22:40:48] <furrywolf> and a lot less javascript and css.
[22:40:55] <furrywolf> that's one fucking unpleasant website.
[22:58:47] <fenn> works fine in dillo
[22:59:38] <fenn> the brass plates are pretty impressive
[23:01:23] <fenn> like the hairs on the caveman, and the hanging feathers on the eagle talisman, and the texture on the three seashells
[23:03:14] <fenn> i wonder what that white material is
[23:11:41] <fenn> i guess it's paper
[23:15:02] <furrywolf> I suspect it works worse with javascript.
[23:31:28] <furrywolf> bbl
[23:47:46] <zeeshan> lol @ design printed in aluminum
[23:48:50] * zeeshan prints a hole in some steel
[23:58:44] <Wolf_Mill> I want a inconel printer