#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-08-22

[00:00:50] <furrywolf> in addition to the 18 feed speeds, it also had a rapid lever... when you press it, those screws spin FAST.
[00:01:51] <furrywolf> the knee has the 3/4hp 3ph motor bolted to it to drive the power feeds... except it's big, the size of a 1.5hp motor. probably because it's airtight, and rated for continual duty...
[00:02:24] <t12> zeeshan: .020/ft end to end in twist
[00:02:30] <zeeshan> lol
[00:02:42] <zeeshan> poor lathe
[00:02:44] <zeeshan> level it!!:P
[00:02:46] <t12> hard to get a good level surface everything is so small
[00:02:50] <t12> yes :)
[00:02:56] <zeeshan> use 123 blocks
[00:02:57] <furrywolf> do you know how many parts are in the 18 speed feed gearbox? :)
[00:03:06] <zeeshan> furrywolf: a shitload
[00:03:14] <furrywolf> yes. :P
[00:03:52] <furrywolf> it also has 18 spindle speeds, with a similar but larger gearbox... 50 to 1800rpm. at 1800rpm it's scary. at 50rpm it's scary too.
[00:03:57] <zeeshan> man the gm parts catalog
[00:04:00] <zeeshan> its 18 gigabytes
[00:04:01] <zeeshan> wtf
[00:04:07] <zeeshan> upto 2010
[00:04:37] <furrywolf> the noise it makes accelerating to 1800 is impressive. there's a LOT of iron in that machine.
[00:04:46] <zeeshan> furry i hate gear drive
[00:04:49] <zeeshan> i got it on the mikron
[00:04:50] <zeeshan> its loud as shit
[00:04:59] <zeeshan> whats weird is
[00:05:00] <furrywolf> it takes about 5 seconds to get there, during which the lights dim and the room buzzes. :)
[00:05:04] <zeeshan> its really loud w/ the vertical head
[00:05:09] <zeeshan> but really quiet with horizontal head
[00:05:11] <furrywolf> nah, the gearbox is pretty quiet.
[00:05:38] <furrywolf> it's all force-fed oil lube which probably helps too
[00:05:51] <furrywolf> the machine has THREE oil pumps.
[00:06:00] <zeeshan> she's thirsty
[00:06:20] <zeeshan> btw
[00:06:22] <zeeshan> did you win that lathe?! :P
[00:06:26] <zeeshan> any updates
[00:06:26] <furrywolf> one for the spindle, one for the knee, power feed gearbox, etc, and one for the table.
[00:06:27] <furrywolf> no
[00:06:33] <furrywolf> which I expected.
[00:06:34] <zeeshan> how much did it go for
[00:06:42] <furrywolf> no idea
[00:06:50] <zeeshan> faking close bids
[00:06:52] <zeeshan> bastards
[00:07:06] <furrywolf> there's water in the knee oil system, will give it an oil change.
[00:07:12] <furrywolf> not a lot of water, but a little, and some rust.
[00:07:21] <XXCoder> normal bidding bid guy keeps going till 3 calls
[00:07:32] <XXCoder> ebay it dont extend time if someone do a last minute
[00:07:37] <XXCoder> so less profit
[00:07:40] <zeeshan> XXCoder: wow
[00:07:42] <zeeshan> thats a good idea
[00:07:45] <zeeshan> ebay really should do that
[00:07:48] <zeeshan> that'll stop last min bids
[00:07:52] <XXCoder> yeah no shiot
[00:08:06] <furrywolf> the knee oil system has a 12-way manifold to lubricate the ways and other less-oil-needing parts, plus a main high-flow system for lubricating the gearbox.
[00:08:08] <zeeshan> those sniper bastards
[00:08:13] <zeeshan> furrywolf:
[00:08:14] <zeeshan> thats pretty normal
[00:08:16] <XXCoder> simple rule, as long as there is bid theres one minute added
[00:08:18] * furrywolf is a sniper bastard
[00:09:01] <furrywolf> I don't like sitting at the computer, reloading to see if other people bid, etc... I just fire up jbidwatcher, enter the maximum amount I'd want to pay, and check back later to see if I won anything or not.
[00:09:17] <zeeshan> i feel like buying something
[00:09:19] <zeeshan> Hmm
[00:09:34] <zeeshan> maybe i can find some tg100 collets for cheap
[00:09:55] <t12> what uses tg100's
[00:10:00] <XXCoder> aliexpress?
[00:10:05] <zeeshan> i have a bunch of tg100 tool holders
[00:10:07] <zeeshan> but not enough collets
[00:10:20] <zeeshan> its a step above er collets from my understanding
[00:10:21] <zeeshan> more gripping power
[00:10:37] <zeeshan> like with er collets youre not supposed to hold bigger than 1/2"
[00:10:45] <zeeshan> with tg100 you can hold upto 1 - 1/2
[00:10:47] <zeeshan> from what i recall
[00:10:58] <furrywolf> it has a complex metering system to give the ways enough oil but not make a puddle on your shop floor. :)
[00:10:59] <zeeshan> so that means the physical body is also bigger.. can be a problem for some parts
[00:11:05] <zeeshan> furrywolf: yea
[00:11:10] <zeeshan> it shoots pulses of oil
[00:11:24] <furrywolf> I didn't win the ct40 toolholders either... but I'm not too worried, since they weren't a direct fit for my nmtb40 spindle...
[00:12:06] <t12> i got a big pile of stellite tool bits to grind
[00:12:14] <t12> it will be interesting to see how they behave
[00:17:20] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[00:19:36] <zeeshan> its only 1 am!
[00:19:53] <XXCoder> watching that ricious anti-drug movie
[00:19:58] <zeeshan> which
[00:20:02] <XXCoder> its as bad as I remember it.
[00:20:04] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzKx92QD8Hk
[00:20:19] <zeeshan> cartoons :P
[00:20:55] <XXCoder> zeeshan: ironically probably can toke something and have really lot fun with that section
[00:21:08] <furrywolf> what, they animated reefer madness? :P
[00:21:26] <XXCoder> furrywolf: probably? never used drugs myself
[00:21:47] <XXCoder> it sure looks like people who made this antidrug movie was smoking something.
[00:21:47] <zeeshan> lies
[00:21:53] <zeeshan> everyone has done drugs
[00:22:00] <zeeshan> i still do them
[00:22:04] <zeeshan> antibiotics my friend
[00:22:11] <XXCoder> zeeshan: in my case, I barely even can use legal ones from doctor
[00:22:20] <furrywolf> no, reefer madness, the movie.
[00:22:23] <XXCoder> I support freedom but I just cant
[00:22:55] <zeeshan> i dont mind marijuana
[00:22:57] <zeeshan> i wouldnt do it myself
[00:23:02] <furrywolf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reefer_Madness that one
[00:23:05] <zeeshan> but it's a natural plant -- it should not be illegal
[00:23:18] <zeeshan> but if you do something stupid while on it
[00:23:21] <zeeshan> you should be held accountable
[00:23:25] <XXCoder> pot? yeah
[00:24:52] <XXCoder> zeeshan: anyway you should watch all in least once
[00:24:56] <XXCoder> enjoy the madness
[00:25:04] <zeeshan> i cant watch cartoons :(
[00:25:12] <XXCoder> why?
[00:25:18] <zeeshan> i duno, not enough attentioin span
[00:25:23] <zeeshan> :{
[00:25:41] <XXCoder> sounds like ADD or ADHD forgot which
[00:26:40] <furrywolf> how about "NGAF"? (not giving a fuck)
[00:26:54] <XXCoder> lol
[00:27:06] <furrywolf> it's not a disorder to not want to sit there doing something pointless and uninteresting for extended periods of time.
[00:27:16] <zeeshan> nah its not adhd
[00:27:22] <furrywolf> like watching TV.
[00:27:23] <zeeshan> i rather watch documentaries
[00:27:34] <zeeshan> ill watch movies too
[00:27:36] <zeeshan> but only some
[00:27:40] <zeeshan> like gravity , interstellar
[00:27:42] <zeeshan> i like those :D
[00:27:57] <zeeshan> but when people talk about shows like the living dead
[00:27:59] <zeeshan> i cant relate
[00:28:14] <furrywolf> bbl
[00:28:22] <zeeshan> brb
[00:28:23] <zeeshan> nite
[00:28:25] <zeeshan> :P
[02:06:17] <Wolf_> got steppers, drivers, psu, linuxcnc loaded up… just need to add wires and lrn2 use lixux…
[02:06:23] <Wolf_> and type
[02:09:18] <XXCoder> nice
[02:09:27] <XXCoder> I was wondering
[02:09:36] <XXCoder> linuxcnc do have software limits right?
[02:11:06] <Wolf_> vs limit switches? I think so
[02:11:17] <XXCoder> ok
[02:11:31] <XXCoder> thats good, I dont think I will be able to install limits for a bit
[02:11:54] <Wolf_> same here… mine are on the slow boat from china
[02:12:14] <Wolf_> will probably still get here before I’m up and running tho lol
[02:12:33] <XXCoder> I already have em but need to learn few stuff like tapping
[02:12:38] <XXCoder> and figure where to put em
[02:13:41] <Wolf_> tapping is easy
[02:14:31] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/JILty5k.jpg drilled and tapped the column top this morning
[02:14:51] <just_pink> someone know about good 3/8 endmill for steel.
[02:15:12] <XXCoder> plain steel or stainless?
[02:15:15] <just_pink> Wolf_: look very nice
[02:15:22] <XXCoder> yeah
[02:15:25] <Wolf_> steppers arrived and then out the door for this adventure http://i.imgur.com/3FMFNv0.jpg
[02:15:34] <just_pink> mild steel
[02:15:47] <just_pink> the hss that I'm used die
[02:15:57] <XXCoder> hss isnt strong enough for that
[02:16:04] <XXCoder> carbide is better
[02:16:12] <just_pink> burn out after 4 parts.
[02:16:24] <Wolf_> pick a vendor, should have about 400 to choose from
[02:17:05] <just_pink> I want somthing that can work in low chip load.
[02:17:12] <just_pink> about 0.1mm
[02:19:27] <just_pink> sandvik are expensive
[02:24:18] <XXCoder> steel is pretty hard
[02:24:44] <XXCoder> I worked with stainless steel and its even harder. I had to replace tools each 10 or 11 parts and it was carbide which is pretty strong
[02:27:15] <just_pink> XXCoder: how it the carabid endmills from grizzly?
[02:27:31] <XXCoder> dunno sadly. I just use whatever tools company give me]
[02:29:10] <just_pink> XXCoder: you know the breand?
[02:29:59] <Deejay> moin
[02:32:10] <just_pink> Deejay: hi
[02:33:14] <SEL> hi
[02:34:37] <XXCoder> just_pink: nope
[02:34:46] <XXCoder> honestly though most would work
[02:35:48] <just_pink> I just dont want to get $150 end mill and distruy it in 5 min..
[02:36:18] <XXCoder> hmm got curious a bit - what size em did you want again?
[02:36:48] <just_pink> http://www.grainger.com/product/SANDVIK-COROMANT-Carbide-End-Mill-22D581
[02:36:54] <just_pink> 3/8
[02:38:31] <XXCoder> bit hard to find inch em at aliexpress lol
[02:38:58] <Wolf_> grainger is my last pick for getting anything (unless you are using a company account lol)
[02:40:00] <just_pink> Wolf_: you have other idea?
[02:42:33] <XXCoder> hard to find specific size stuff
[02:42:41] <Wolf_> www.use-enco.com or http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com or https://www.maritool.com or http://www.travers.com
[02:43:29] <Wolf_> grainger is like a home depot but with 1000% markup
[02:50:29] <Wolf_> http://www.mcmaster.com/#end-mills/=ylowp0 isn’t bad price wise eother
[02:50:32] <Wolf_> either*
[02:54:23] <Wolf_> hmm, sleep, or go try to set up the new bench...
[02:57:08] <just_pink> Wolf_: thanks!!
[03:00:18] <archivist> if your machining conditions are wrong you wreck tooling
[03:03:31] <just_pink> archivist: waht do you mean?
[03:03:54] <archivist> chatter and vibration
[03:04:22] <archivist> climb milling on a machine incapable
[03:04:42] <Wolf_> speeds/DOC too right?
[03:05:39] <archivist> yes
[03:05:58] <archivist> crap material work hardening
[03:06:21] <Wolf_> swtiching to cnc should be fun for me, I have been doing everything by feel
[03:06:45] <archivist> if you have the feel you are most of the way there
[03:07:26] <archivist> someone straight into cnc has missed that important step
[03:08:19] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/JILty5k.jpg ignore the ugly Z hand wheel, that was a oh crap I need one now repair, and yesterday morning I needed to jam it in the lathe and take about 5mm off the bottom of it lol
[03:09:20] <archivist> collet rack is a bit posh
[03:09:55] <Wolf_> :) just some scrap alum tube + two drill bits
[03:10:34] <Wolf_> was tired of them rolling around the bench and ending up on the floor
[03:11:39] <XXCoder> lol
[03:12:06] <Wolf_> ok, gonna set up irc on teh mill box, and wire up the stepper stuffs… should I take a o-scope in with me? lol
[03:12:19] <archivist> I have them in a stack on a shelf or bunched up in a draw
[03:12:43] <archivist> sometimes a scope is needed
[03:12:47] <Wolf_> well, the old bench, the draws SUCKED
[03:13:58] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/6NvwkBz.jpg the big end mill holders bowed the bottom of it out
[03:15:30] <Wolf_> well, it is a china parallel break out, and I have no idea what I’m doing so maybe I will take the scope in lol
[03:17:57] <archivist> fun part comes where you have optos in series with optos and they are not driven properly, scope finds that easily
[03:24:53] <Wolf_> nice high end scope like http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n541/wolfmetalfab/ESCs%20and%20Electronics/null_zpsc6f06aa1.jpg
[03:25:07] <just_pink> what is better to take deep cut with slow feed rate or fast feed rate with small cut?
[03:25:31] <Wolf_> depends on flex
[03:27:11] <just_pink> I have ton of flex
[03:27:31] <just_pink> Wolf_: ^
[03:27:33] <Wolf_> kidding on the scope too, my DS203 got replaced by a real scope
[03:28:15] <Wolf_> well, deep cut is going to cause a high torque moment right
[03:29:26] <Wolf_> you lean a lot running a flexy bendy X1 manually
[03:31:11] <Wolf_> all machines are different, you need to figure out what works for yours
[03:40:52] <Wolf_Mill> yay comms up :D
[03:43:24] <just_pink> http://9gag.com/gag/aepQN2W
[03:43:27] <just_pink> LOL
[03:44:55] <XXCoder> just_pink: from what i understand it comes down to ears
[03:45:03] <XXCoder> there is such thing as "good cut sound"
[03:45:16] <XXCoder> unfortunately i will never learn it, being deaf. vibrations is best I can do.,
[03:46:04] <just_pink> I think it's annoying sound
[03:47:16] <just_pink> http://9gag.com/gag/ajnVLwp
[03:47:18] <just_pink> LOL2
[03:51:32] <XXCoder> yummy
[03:58:37] <fenn> XXCoder: get spectrogram app for your smartphone, you'll have better insight into the cutting process than anyone using their ears
[03:58:49] <XXCoder> yeah need to do that
[04:01:34] <just_pink> http://9gag.com/gag/aq2e8wR
[04:01:39] <just_pink> sooo cute!!
[04:02:12] <XXCoder> check this out just_pink http://boingboing.net/2015/08/17/champaign-bottle-fights-back.html
[04:03:12] <just_pink> brb going to buy Champagne bottle :)
[04:03:20] <XXCoder> lol
[04:03:34] <XXCoder> bet hes glad it didnt hit between legs though
[04:03:43] <XXCoder> better on side than that
[04:03:45] <just_pink> hehe
[04:08:54] <just_pink> http://9gag.com/gag/a5KXdEL
[04:09:01] <just_pink> OMG
[04:18:55] <fenn> just_pink: your cutter probably failed because of work hardening due to the steel you were using (not really meant for machining) and too small of a chipload
[04:20:01] <fenn> you had something like 0.1mm stepover right?
[04:29:08] <archivist> and machining black steel?
[04:35:09] <just_pink> yes
[04:35:13] <just_pink> 0.1 step
[04:35:21] <just_pink> and blabk steel
[04:35:30] <just_pink> archivist: fenn ^
[04:36:24] <archivist> you are rubbing and wearing out the cutter, you have to get inside the work hardened skin, or get proper free machining metal
[04:36:57] <fenn> try to do 1mm stepover and change depth of cut if it's too much vibration
[04:37:15] <just_pink> now I'm runing new code
[04:37:34] <fenn> also i liked archivist's suggestion from several days ago to just machine an angle into the whole bar at once
[04:38:15] <just_pink> 0.15mm depth
[04:38:33] <just_pink> and 0.2mm radial cut
[04:39:29] <fenn> those numbers don't look right at all
[04:40:17] <just_pink> 0.1 mm depth + 1mm radial?
[04:41:09] <fenn> try more like 3mm depth and 1mm radial, and slow down
[04:41:50] <fenn> 3/8 inch endmill right?
[04:43:08] <fenn> it could be that your part is flexing because of how it's being held. if it's just sticking out of the vise you may need to brace it with some square stock or something
[04:43:37] <fenn> so that the whole assembly is more of a T cross section
[04:43:41] <just_pink> fenn: the machine can't handle it 3mm + 1mm
[04:43:49] <fenn> i find that hard to believe
[04:44:31] <just_pink> now it's allrady runing, and I think it's work nice..
[04:44:46] <just_pink> after that I will try the 3 + 1
[04:44:55] <just_pink> what feed rate to use?
[04:46:13] <fenn> i just googled "feed and speed calculator" and this was the first result: http://www.custompartnet.com/calculator/milling-speed-and-feed
[04:47:44] <fenn> i plugged in .001 feed per tooth and 4 teeth and spindle speed 3000 rpm, it says 12 ipm feed
[04:47:46] <just_pink> what is Feed per tooth ?
[04:48:16] <just_pink> I cant go over 1000rpm
[04:48:36] <fenn> ok 4 ipm then
[04:50:29] <just_pink> 101 mm/m
[04:50:53] <just_pink> with 3mm depth + 1mm radial load - the machine will die!
[04:55:08] <fenn> these are all pretty standard numbers.. if you are really cautious you can turn the spindle rpm down, but if you have to do that it is probably something wrong with how you are holding the workpiece
[04:55:53] <fenn> endmill is in an R8 collet?
[05:08:10] <just_pink> fenn: yes.
[05:09:07] <just_pink> but my gib on the Z axis make a lot of problems and vibrations
[05:11:01] <fenn> here is my idea about how to hold the workpiece with a piece of square stock so as to reduce vibration in the workpiece itself: http://fennetic.net/irc/work_buttress.png
[05:11:30] <fenn> you would have to program the toolpath to avoid the square stock of course
[05:12:11] <fenn> if your Z axis is actually messed up, then you should fix it :)
[05:12:12] <just_pink> but I'm going abound the part
[05:12:31] <just_pink> fenn: I don't know how to fix it.
[05:17:28] <just_pink> It's finish 5mm from 20mm
[05:17:32] <just_pink> in 45 min
[05:17:50] <just_pink> 135min to go :)
[05:21:23] <XXCoder> 135 min
[05:21:27] <XXCoder> pretty long lol
[05:23:38] <just_pink> yes..
[05:29:51] <just_pink> someone know about asulotion to shar live stream of video without open ports?
[05:30:47] <XXCoder> not really but you can always upload to youtube
[05:32:16] <just_pink> I want to stream live video from the machine.
[05:37:20] <XXCoder> to internet or to some other computer in your network?
[05:37:28] <XXCoder> latter is vastly easier
[05:37:50] <jthornton> fenn, I've done that many times
[05:39:18] <just_pink> jthornton: what did you do?
[05:39:41] <just_pink> XXCoder: yes, so you can se my machine in live.
[05:39:45] <just_pink> see*
[05:40:05] <XXCoder> and hear it too I suppose, which is helpful on adjusting feed and so on
[05:40:21] <XXCoder> there is gaming version twitch.tv but its only for games
[05:40:27] <XXCoder> lemme do bit research
[05:41:18] <XXCoder> http://www.overdigital.com/2012/01/03/quick-guide-how-to-setup-your-own-live-stream/
[05:41:23] <XXCoder> may b helpful
[05:49:57] <just_pink> I'm loking for a driver to my camera
[05:51:32] <archivist> these nuts are a 5 minute job with a file, you sure are doing it the hard way
[05:52:26] <XXCoder> not as smooth
[05:53:08] <archivist> depends on the file :)
[05:53:22] <XXCoder> I suppose but im sure its less accurate too
[05:54:17] <archivist> its a nut hidden in a slot, accuracy is hardly a requirement
[05:55:05] <Wolf_> die cut threaded plate imo
[06:14:06] <just_pink> http://ustre.am/1qGHt
[06:16:20] <just_pink> someone??
[06:16:28] <XXCoder> cutting pattern is bit strange
[06:16:43] <XXCoder> not sure why it dont just go around cutting nonstop
[06:16:53] <just_pink> there is any way to make it better?
[06:17:00] <XXCoder> dunno
[06:17:16] <XXCoder> just making orveration of what usually goes
[06:17:25] <XXCoder> but im not much of programmer yet
[06:17:41] <just_pink> I want to make it as nonstop running around.
[06:17:56] <just_pink> but HSM express think this is better way..
[06:18:04] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:18:11] <just_pink> 180min!
[06:18:36] <XXCoder> its basically shaving part lol
[06:18:38] <XXCoder> cutting so little
[06:19:00] <just_pink> 0.15 mm depth.
[06:19:06] <fenn> this calculator has more bells and whistles than the other one: http://zero-divide.net/?page=fswizard
[06:19:28] <XXCoder> nice one
[06:19:45] <XXCoder> can lock stats like rpm? because my machine I cant set it to anything besides 27000 rpm
[06:20:07] <fenn> in the live feed it looks like the machine is only pretending to cut
[06:20:16] <just_pink> now I'm runing in 555 RPM
[06:20:24] <just_pink> running*
[06:21:27] <XXCoder> fenn: bah its not allowing me to lock rpm
[06:22:07] <XXCoder> ah max rpm had to be set too
[06:22:50] <XXCoder> fenn: 845 surface speed?
[06:22:56] <XXCoder> inches per min?
[06:23:38] <XXCoder> 47.43 in/min not too bad
[06:25:54] <jthornton> http://www.custompartnet.com/calculator/milling-speed-and-feed
[06:26:19] <XXCoder> fenn: surface speed is new to me though not sure what that is
[06:26:40] <fenn> omg xxcoder do you just press the green button
[06:27:01] <XXCoder> fenn: well I learned a lot about machine work
[06:27:04] <XXCoder> but not that
[06:27:13] <XXCoder> my internship went backwards lol
[06:27:17] <jthornton> surface speed is how fast the cuttting edge is moving against the material
[06:27:28] <XXCoder> cnc op to manual, manual wasnt complete
[06:27:30] <just_pink> what is "Flute Length"
[06:27:45] <XXCoder> just_pink: length of cutting teeth on tool
[06:27:51] <XXCoder> from start to bottom of em
[06:28:13] <XXCoder> your stream I see its approx 2 inches? hard to tell on scale lol
[06:29:03] <CaptHindsight> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61AUZFo8sjL._SL1500_.jpg the measurement from one end to the other :)
[06:29:35] <just_pink> the part is 14.8mm from left to right
[06:29:36] <fenn> wow that looks like a 3d rendering
[06:29:54] <just_pink> CaptHindsight: lol
[06:30:05] <XXCoder> lol capt
[06:31:52] <just_pink> you can see now aa battery as reference
[06:32:26] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:32:37] <XXCoder> anyway its distance from end of smooth shaft to bottom
[06:33:16] <XXCoder> aa is suffecent lol
[06:34:54] <XXCoder> man i just dont understand hs express logic
[06:35:01] <XXCoder> it looks like tool dance :P
[06:35:54] <just_pink> Other point of view
[06:36:28] <just_pink> XXCoder: ^
[06:36:36] <XXCoder> yeah saw it
[06:36:38] <XXCoder> well
[06:36:44] <XXCoder> its quite slow but seems ok
[06:36:53] <XXCoder> it will wear tools pretty fast
[06:37:23] <just_pink> why??
[06:37:40] <just_pink> what I need to change?
[06:38:05] <XXCoder> like fenn says its cutting too little
[06:38:24] <XXCoder> but I dont know enough to adjust that but fenn did say what to change a bit
[06:38:49] <just_pink> but now everything vibrate like crazy
[06:38:52] <fenn> right now it is only cutting at the very tip of the endmill, so that part will wear quickly
[06:40:03] <fenn> just_pink: do you have a dial indicator?
[06:40:10] <just_pink> yes
[06:40:56] <just_pink> fenn: ^
[06:41:34] <fenn> ok, in order to find the source of vibration you will have to set up the indicator so that it's touching the spindle (with the machine off) and then push on it in various directions. if the indicator reading changes then you know that something is loose...
[06:41:52] <fenn> you push on it with your hands, if that wasn't clear
[06:42:34] <fenn> if the machine is ok then you won't see any change in the reading at all
[06:42:52] <just_pink> I know it's come from the Z axis
[06:42:55] <XXCoder> she'll have to wait till that run is done
[06:43:05] <fenn> heh ok see you tomorrow
[06:43:30] <fenn> oh look a tenths indicator
[06:44:42] <fenn> not sure why we are looking at the z axis lock
[06:44:56] <fenn> that is for manual milling
[06:45:22] <just_pink> look
[06:47:32] <fenn> the indicator holder is sitting on the workbench?
[06:47:44] <just_pink> I set it to the base of the Z collum
[06:47:50] <just_pink> yes
[06:48:43] <fenn> that doesn't tell us anything useful
[06:49:02] <XXCoder> besides amount of vibration
[06:49:26] <just_pink> I know that the vibration come brom the head of the Z axis
[06:49:47] <XXCoder> well seems nothing too excessive
[06:50:02] <just_pink> is I'm make the gib tight it reduce some of it but the servo get HOT
[06:50:34] <archivist> vibration can also be resonance due to spring in the column excited by the flute cutting, change speed does that fix it
[06:50:46] <fenn> how are you adjusting the gib? with that black handle?
[06:51:03] <just_pink> yes
[06:51:08] <fenn> ok that is wrong
[06:51:23] <fenn> the handle is for locking the z axis so it doesn't move at all
[06:51:29] <just_pink> annd also with 2 big screws
[06:51:56] <just_pink> but moste of the time with the black handle
[06:52:25] <just_pink> most*
[06:52:42] <fenn> can't fix the machine while it is running
[06:52:57] <just_pink> I know...
[06:53:22] <XXCoder> how much runtime left now?
[06:53:55] <just_pink> I can try.. but I'm sure It's going to distroy my nails..
[06:54:42] <XXCoder> how many minutes left?
[06:54:44] <just_pink> in 6:38 it was 50%
[06:54:52] <just_pink> 90min..
[06:55:16] <XXCoder> ok. well later all gonna sleep :)
[06:55:24] <fenn> me too
[06:55:52] <just_pink> 36 min left
[06:56:25] <XXCoder> nice stream though
[06:56:34] <XXCoder> mybe next time can troubleshoot it some more
[06:56:40] <just_pink> to make the spindle faster or slower?
[06:58:19] <just_pink> XXCoder: camera back to the part
[07:04:00] <just_pink> apple juice popsicle - is the best
[08:22:56] <jthornton> fenn, the only problem with using <body onload="return collapseall()"> is when you use the page back button they collapse again
[08:27:33] <Tom_itx> still fighting that thing?
[08:28:06] <jthornton> not really fighting but quite annoying when reading to have to re-expand a section
[09:11:13] <archivist> why not just be expanded as default :)
[09:14:51] <Tom_itx> mmm, lotsa thunder here
[10:05:09] <PetefromTn_> Morn ;)
[10:08:47] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, it does have cam with it
[10:08:56] <Tom_itx> just got it installed finally
[10:17:56] <SEL> ok, i am unable to make camview work within gmoccapy :-)
[10:30:13] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: yes
[10:30:36] <archivist> SEL, camview is a bit ols and crusty you probaly need to fix it
[10:30:46] <Tom_itx> probably won't use it but it's nice to know it's there
[10:31:41] <Tom_itx> runs on a surface
[10:31:46] <Tom_itx> pro3
[10:32:21] <Tom_itx> that somewhat surprised me
[10:36:22] <zeeshan> i wonder if there are standard flute dimensions between manufacturers of end mills
[10:36:31] <zeeshan> like your standard ball nose, flat, bull nose
[10:46:15] <SEL> archivist, it works as standalone program but displays nothing in the Camera pane. I have made a configuration 'chain' that works standalone and put it as parameter on the command line, it works but instead of displaying the image in the pane, it fires up camview as a separate window.
[11:11:52] <Tom_itx> zeeshan there probably are however i suspect each mfg tries to get an edge on the next one
[11:12:58] <zeeshan> yea
[11:24:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150821-aurora-labs-low-cost-100-times-faster-metal-3d-printer-gains-interest-from-nasa.html
[11:24:59] <CaptHindsight> 3D print metal parts at home that still need machining
[11:26:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/images2015/auroa-labs-metal-3d-printing-nasa-00005.jpg unless this is the finish you are shooting for
[11:26:54] <zeeshan> lol
[11:27:01] <zeeshan> looks worse than casting
[11:27:07] <zeeshan> sand casting
[11:27:54] <furrywolf> that's probably adequate for many things sand casting was used for.
[11:28:13] <zeeshan> definitely not a turbine wheel :)
[11:28:46] <zeeshan> so furry
[11:28:50] <zeeshan> i slept on the mounting idea
[11:29:35] <zeeshan> nothing better than screws came up :P
[11:29:55] <furrywolf> after skimming that article, do they mention anywhere the technology used?
[11:30:08] <furrywolf> bbl, someone here
[11:32:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140923-aurora-labs-launches-s1-metal-3d-printer-on-kickstarter.html
[11:33:04] <CaptHindsight> the kickstarter was stopped, have to read the details
[11:33:29] <zeeshan> The process works by feeding metal powder into a high energy beam heating the powder to around 1600 Celsius where it melts. The printer lays down molten metal layer by layer to produce the product.
[11:33:30] <CaptHindsight> Funding for this project was canceled by the project creator on October 9, 2014.
[11:33:59] <zeeshan> this already exists?
[11:34:18] <zeeshan> its called lmd? :P
[11:35:47] <pcw_home> and this is significantly different from 1960s metal spray?
[11:35:49] <archivist> look up Metal spraying
[11:36:08] <pcw_home> crappier music maybe
[11:36:29] <archivist> yet another reinvention
[11:36:29] <CaptHindsight> looks like Aurora Labs hasn't shipped any printers
[11:38:05] <CaptHindsight> the article makes no sense, why would NASA contact them unless they were violating a NASA patent?
[11:38:18] <zeeshan> LOL
[11:38:20] <archivist> looks like the idea started around 1910 :)
[11:38:38] <CaptHindsight> unless NASA has replaced their scientists with monkeys
[11:38:51] <archivist> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_spraying
[11:39:17] <zeeshan> hey
[11:39:21] <zeeshan> you gave me an AWESOME idea
[11:39:25] <zeeshan> i should get my exhaust manifold thermal sprayed
[11:39:29] <zeeshan> with stainless matter
[11:40:01] <archivist> note it is often porous (good for holding oil)
[11:40:12] <zeeshan> abom79 did
[11:40:14] <zeeshan> it
[11:40:19] <zeeshan> which is where i first saw it
[11:41:50] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: aluminum would be cheaper and easier
[11:41:56] <CaptHindsight> we could make a kit
[11:42:08] <zeeshan> aluminum wont last on an exhaust manifold
[11:42:14] <CaptHindsight> nah, people would end up blowing themselves up
[11:42:44] <CaptHindsight> yeah, i was thinking farther downstream
[11:42:48] <CaptHindsight> not at the head
[11:42:55] <zeeshan> oh :P
[11:44:59] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: how handy would a sand mold printer be if it could print an exhaust manifold size part in an hour?
[11:45:16] <zeeshan> it'd be handy even if it took 10 hours
[11:45:41] <zeeshan> cause pouring is only 20-30% of cost
[11:46:51] <CaptHindsight> the other option is a water soluble SLA resin for printing patterns
[11:56:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150804-virginia-tech-develops-binder-jetting-3d-printing-to-manufacture-high-quality-copper-parts.html complete lack of technical editing
[11:57:05] <CaptHindsight> "Binder Jetting systems have a relatively high throughput: a 100 nozzle printhead can create parts at up to ~200 /min,’ they explain." 200 what, we don't really know but it's 200 alright!
[11:57:33] <CaptHindsight> "The team is currently working on a way of adding a nanosuspension binder into the polymer glue to fill these microscopic parts on each and every layer. "
[11:57:37] <archivist> salesdriod speak
[11:57:47] <CaptHindsight> ‘“We hope [the binder glue will] improve its sintering performance and its mechanical performance and its electric conductivity,’ Williams told reporters
[11:57:52] <CaptHindsight> We hope
[11:58:02] <CaptHindsight> so no news
[11:58:14] <archivist> we are trying to get some clue
[11:58:42] <CaptHindsight> we hope to solve this problem in the next 20-30 years
[11:59:04] <archivist> wecanhazyourmoneystillthen?
[11:59:21] <CaptHindsight> so they haven't done anything new, they are just using metal powder and binder
[12:00:11] <archivist> reselling old school sintering, naughty
[12:00:40] <CaptHindsight> hmm, I've posted 2 bullcrap articles so far today and haven't been called a hater yet
[12:02:20] <CaptHindsight> archivist: maybe attentions spans and memories are so short today that it's ok to just rehash old tech as new
[12:03:04] <archivist> reinvention has been going on since the wheel was invented again
[12:03:25] <CaptHindsight> the cycle time just seems shorter to me
[12:04:40] <archivist> for entertainment just read early 1900's patent digests
[12:05:06] <archivist> you see stuff that is currently being touted as new
[12:14:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.parabolicarc.com/2015/08/20/japanese-whisky-experiment-heads-space-station/
[12:15:11] <CaptHindsight> Space Whiskey
[12:17:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150820-hot-3d-printing-startup-carbon3d-raises-from-google-ventures-and-yuri-milner.html Carbon3D raises $100M from Google Ventures for its ultra-fast CLIP 3D printing technology
[12:17:46] <CaptHindsight> With all of its series rounds and also the $10 million provided by the Autodesk Spark Investment Fund, Carbon3D now has raised $141 million in total funding.
[12:23:09] <pcw_home> CaptHindsight could have done that but lacks the huckster gene
[12:31:27] <CaptHindsight> andy wrote a patch for Linuxcnc to sync the continuous Z motion to video
[12:38:29] <pcw_home> somehow the first thing that made me think of was real time 3D printed action figures from 3D movies
[13:53:52] <zeeshan> ssi you around?
[14:49:05] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sDMOa5jqHA
[15:06:38] <t12> carbon3d looks reasonable
[15:08:28] <t12> i guess scaling up the print envelope could get complicated
[15:08:44] <t12> and supports for big stuff
[15:09:11] * SpeedEvil passes t12 a 120" TV
[15:18:20] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Well, looks like it's the axel seal
[15:28:34] * furrywolf expected that
[15:33:31] <furrywolf> grrrrr. god damn fucking state comp fund raised my rate to 23%.
[15:33:44] <furrywolf> how the fuck do they expect people to stay in business with rates like that?
[15:35:32] <furrywolf> yes, thank you, I just have a fucking quarter of my budget spare to spend on a legally mandated service/tax.
[15:36:05] <MrSunshine> what do you think about making a 3d probe by using a loadcell with an opamp for threashhold measuring
[15:36:58] <furrywolf> as long as you have some spring somewhere, should work.
[15:37:23] <MrSunshine> push spring and maybe a spring for side load also
[15:37:38] <pcw_home> the trick is spring that recovers quickly
[15:37:49] <pcw_home> and doesnt ring
[15:38:00] <MrSunshine> thereby threashold and hysteresis =)
[15:38:06] <pcw_home> detecting the hit is the easy part
[15:38:47] <MrSunshine> maybe an uc for some trimmable debouncing =)
[15:38:52] <MrSunshine> could be worth a shot =)
[15:39:02] <furrywolf> I guess I need to fire my last employee. I can't afford a 23% rate.
[15:39:26] <MrSunshine> :/
[15:40:12] <furrywolf> california really hates businesses.
[15:40:26] <MrSunshine> sounds like sweden
[15:40:27] <MrSunshine> :P
[15:40:54] <MrSunshine> "oo we want a good small business climate! lets rase the taxes some!"
[15:41:23] <furrywolf> my rate used to be 16%. just got a notice they're raising it to 23%. that is, if I give my employee $1.00, I have to give them $0.23.
[15:41:41] <renesis> just need an earthquake and a lot of people to move away
[15:41:46] <renesis> and everything will get better
[15:42:00] <furrywolf> since it's legally mandated, they have no incentive to provide you with a good rate, or even basic customer service.
[15:42:11] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: are there alternative vendors?
[15:42:20] <MrSunshine> we pay over 30% "social tax" on employees .. then they have to pay over 30% tax on whats left of that
[15:42:41] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: no. I tried extensively, and pretty much no one will deal with small businesses.
[15:42:43] <renesis> just use robots
[15:42:50] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: ow
[15:42:57] <renesis> to drive the robots
[15:43:00] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: incorporate in the bahamas.
[15:43:18] <MrSunshine> then we have a tax on having employees :P
[15:43:18] <SpeedEvil> I'm sure there is a way to avoid it if you pay your accountant $100K/year
[15:43:19] <pcw_home> an active damping system might work but this is why most simple probes use the 6 ball approach
[15:43:20] <pcw_home> (its settles and does not move at all until the probe is hit. anything with just a spring will vibrate with every machine motion))
[15:44:18] <MrSunshine> pcw_home: ah true
[15:44:56] <furrywolf> skip the spring, and use a solenoid coil with your accurate position feedback, and tune a pid loop. :P
[15:46:40] <MrSunshine> but will it have to be spring loaded somehow ?
[15:49:37] <pcw_home> 23% workers comp? are you running a fireworks company?
[15:49:47] <furrywolf> pcw_home: courier company
[15:50:12] <furrywolf> drivers get into car accidents and go on disability...
[15:51:33] <pcw_home> Our workers comp insurer overcharged us for about 5 years we only got about 1/2 back
[15:51:58] <furrywolf> as a rule, insurance companies are crooked.
[15:52:12] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: Can you get car insurance to take the risk instead - at high rates?
[15:52:51] <furrywolf> no
[15:53:00] <furrywolf> worker's comp is legally mandated
[15:53:41] <pcw_home> I wonder if uber weasles out of it somehow
[15:53:58] <SpeedEvil> By not having employees
[15:54:13] <pcw_home> all drivers are independent contractors hustle
[15:54:33] <furrywolf> yep
[15:55:40] <cnc11> hi to all
[15:57:57] <cnc11> have maybe someone exemplar for automatic tool-change
[15:58:58] * furrywolf should give up and go work for pcw for three times the income
[16:02:32] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: so what are you? Small buisness employing several?
[16:02:49] <furrywolf> small business with one part-time employee.
[16:02:57] <SpeedEvil> ah
[16:06:05] <furrywolf> "California has been ranked as the most expensive state for workers’ compensation costs, according to a newly released report." did I mention california hates businesses?
[16:06:40] <renesis> maybe because california wants people to leave
[16:07:56] <zeeshan> they need to do that here
[16:08:08] <zeeshan> so we can get rid of some ppl!
[16:08:24] * furrywolf votes that renesis should leave
[16:09:08] <zeeshan> has anyone here made professional wiring harnesses before?
[16:10:01] <furrywolf> define professional
[16:10:13] <renesis> furrywolf: im not the one constantly bitching about where i live =D
[16:10:15] <zeeshan> not jerry rigged
[16:10:36] <furrywolf> I've done a few EFI swaps with nice-looking harnesses.
[16:11:09] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: any way to redefine the class of buisness you're in?
[16:11:12] <zeeshan> ive done a lot of harnesses
[16:11:18] <zeeshan> for myself and customers
[16:11:21] <zeeshan> but im looking to change how i do them
[16:11:42] <zeeshan> http://www.ptr.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1000x1000/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/o/complete_race_ki_4e77ef7262380.jpg
[16:11:44] <zeeshan> thi sisn't professional
[16:11:46] <zeeshan> this is shit
[16:11:49] <renesis> buy nice connector crimps and housings, get an expensive crimper?
[16:12:12] <renesis> that looks shitty but thats what some shit in production cars looks like
[16:12:21] <furrywolf> eh? that looks about the quality of most OEM harnesses.
[16:12:40] <zeeshan> in shitty cars yes
[16:12:50] <furrywolf> and a lot better than ford harnesses. :P
[16:13:09] <renesis> only diff is the conduit really
[16:13:16] <furrywolf> how do you propose to improve on it?
[16:13:22] <zeeshan> http://johnreedracing.com/hosting/Corolla%20Engine%20Loom.jpg
[16:13:24] <zeeshan> here's a pro harness
[16:13:30] <renesis> electrical tape isnt bad really, its ugly, but its quick and effective
[16:13:40] <furrywolf> the lower one in that image should have the joints taped.
[16:13:56] <zeeshan> http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b303/dizlaoboi559/2011-08-14152025.jpg
[16:14:00] <zeeshan> heres another one thats pro
[16:14:21] <zeeshan> really its the way the exterior sheathing is
[16:14:23] <renesis> that shit looks like cheap computer psu crap
[16:14:29] <renesis> doesnt look high temp
[16:14:49] <zeeshan> ssi you there
[16:14:55] <zeeshan> i know youve done real harnesses
[16:14:56] <zeeshan> reply :{
[16:15:05] <renesis> the john reed racing one looks nice, but its prob hours more to build up
[16:16:05] <furrywolf> that doesn't look like a very good harness to me. (the john reed one). not nearly enough grouping of things going near each other, will turn into a rats nest when installed. shrink tubed joints doesn't help any when water can get in between the cables in the bundle. split loom and tape is maintainable and upgradable, that one isn't.
[16:16:11] <renesis> your issue doesnt seem to be pro versus non pro as much as sexy prototypes versus mass production
[16:16:31] <zeeshan> furrywolf: how can you look at a haarness
[16:16:33] <zeeshan> and tell groupings
[16:16:40] <renesis> if you dont know application
[16:16:42] <zeeshan> you dont even know how it's mounted
[16:16:46] <furrywolf> zeeshan: random guess. :P
[16:16:50] <zeeshan> :P
[16:17:17] <zeeshan> ive used split loom in all my old harnses
[16:17:20] <zeeshan> with friction tape
[16:17:28] <zeeshan> it works fine, but its not as compact as it can be
[16:17:31] <furrywolf> I have some of the braid covering in the last image... that stuff is a bitch to work with, makes adding circuits hard, and traps dirt and grime inside.
[16:17:32] <renesis> it looks like it was made by someone who gave a shit about how it looked, and didnt care so much about time or cost
[16:18:01] <renesis> zeeshan: so you basically want a custom cable
[16:18:03] <zeeshan> renesis: why are you so clueless
[16:18:04] <zeeshan> sometimes
[16:18:13] <renesis> if split loom is too nasty
[16:18:36] <furrywolf> I like split loom because it's easy to add more circuits later when your project grows and you realize what else it needs to do.
[16:18:53] <zeeshan> furrywolf: mine is never gonna grow or shrink
[16:18:54] <renesis> probably the weed but a good amount of the time you just dont understand the answers, this is especially true at electronic stuff heh
[16:19:15] <zeeshan> renesis: see even your response to me calling you cluless
[16:19:19] <zeeshan> shows you're even more clueless
[16:19:20] <zeeshan> lol
[16:19:22] <zeeshan> :D
[16:20:05] <renesis> because i noted the racing loom looks like it was made by someone who cared more than a loom made for mass production?
[16:20:34] <zeeshan> because you're clueless enough to compare the two
[16:20:50] <renesis> youre comparing methods used in both
[16:21:10] <zeeshan> man im not wasting time arguing with you
[16:21:16] <renesis> who is arguing?
[16:21:34] <furrywolf> I don't think that "racing" loom is better. it also shows cluelessness... did they seriously glue the boots to the jacket, but run a big bundle of cables out? water will get into it between the cables, and will be sealed in.
[16:21:36] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i am cleaning up my electrical diagrams
[16:21:46] <zeeshan> so i know exactly what i need
[16:22:05] <furrywolf> also, I think there's way too much exposed cable that should be in an outer jacket.
[16:22:18] <zeeshan> i was giving you an idea
[16:22:21] <zeeshan> of what it's supposed to look like
[16:22:38] <zeeshan> if youre gonna pick on the details
[16:22:41] <zeeshan> i can find you an exact one
[16:22:59] <furrywolf> also, lol @ zip ties. :)
[16:23:00] <zeeshan> http://www.geartronics.co.uk/img/as-loom1.jpg
[16:23:23] <zeeshan> and for your info
[16:23:29] <furrywolf> that's better. probably costs about $1000. :P
[16:23:35] <zeeshan> that john reed one uses gm waterproof connectors
[16:23:46] <zeeshan> so it doesn't need to seal those wires
[16:23:52] <renesis> how is that $1000?
[16:24:12] <renesis> just looks like soft heatshrink and clear heatshrink and sexy connectors
[16:24:15] <zeeshan> renesis: google amphenol connectors
[16:24:21] <renesis> i know amphenol
[16:24:25] <furrywolf> I'm not talking about the connectors... I'm talking about the design of the harness. they use rubber boots glued to jacket, but with multiple conductors running out through the boots. that just fills up with oil and water.
[16:24:29] <zeeshan> then why the clueless question
[16:24:30] <renesis> they make awesome circular and mil spec
[16:24:35] <renesis> their audio connectors are a joke
[16:24:40] <renesis> knockoffs, and not good ones
[16:25:41] <furrywolf> in any case, I like split loom... my projects are never done. :P
[16:25:50] <zeeshan> furrywolf: so that's just heatshrink
[16:25:55] <zeeshan> they're putting on that entire harness?
[16:26:03] <renesis> furrywolf: noted, but thats still kind of app specific, the sealed parts may be more exposed, they may do more weatherproofing after connection, shrug
[16:26:05] <zeeshan> i thought it was some sort of cover you could pass wire through
[16:26:07] <zeeshan> not heat shrink
[16:26:16] <zeeshan> brtb
[16:26:23] <renesis> its soft heatshrink
[16:26:35] <furrywolf> I need to work on my subaru more, in fact... the ecu isn't happy with some of my transmission switches, and it's also complaining I have no fan relays hooked up to it, which I don't need... I need to toss a couple dummy load resistors in there.
[16:31:38] <furrywolf> I'm using the body's fan wiring, with its own switch in the radiator, rather than the ecu's wiring... but the ecu is complaining there's no relay coils on its outputs.
[16:33:11] <Deejay> gn8
[16:50:27] <fenn> you can fill the branch point "boots" with silicone to prevent water ingress
[16:50:45] <fenn> the last harness looks good, all the other ones are crap
[16:51:18] <fenn> geartronics++
[16:51:53] <renesis> i like the labels
[16:52:44] <fenn> "All Geartronics supplied looms are made using only the very best materials - Raychem Spec-55 wire and DR25 sleeving. All joints & connectors are sealed using either Raychem adhesive-lined heatshrink or, for our 'pro' looms, Raychem moulded joints & boots, sealed using system-25 adhesive."
[16:54:01] <fenn> you can print the heatshrink labels with a dymo rhino pro 5000
[16:57:31] <fenn> actually i think you can use any dymo d1 compatible label maker up to 1/2" label width (4mm diameter wire)
[16:57:54] <fenn> er 8mm
[16:58:23] <renesis> damn thats awesome but $400 is not cheap for a label maker
[16:58:48] <fenn> you can get the consumer version for $15 now with almost identical feature set
[16:58:50] <renesis> like, bad purchase for an r&d lab, awesome purchase for a cable company
[16:58:59] <renesis> $150?
[16:59:03] <renesis> itll print cables?
[16:59:13] <fenn> i'm not sure
[16:59:24] <renesis> i usually just do normal labels with clear over them
[16:59:59] <fenn> com/DYMO-LabelManager-Hand-Label-Maker/dp/B005X9VZ70/
[17:00:04] <fenn> http://www.amazon.com/DYMO-LabelManager-Hand-Label-Maker/dp/B005X9VZ70/
[17:00:52] <fenn> i think they are phasing these out because there is a new product that uses a USB connection and pretends it's a printer, and that's why they're so cheap
[17:01:14] <renesis> oh
[17:01:58] <renesis> i have a label maker but that looks cool
[17:02:43] <fenn> "The cassette fits into all Rhino printers. Made of industrial grade polyolefin and featuring a 3:1 heat shrink ratio, these new labels offer the convenience of printing directly on the tubing itself"
[17:02:52] <renesis> i dont think it prints heatshrink but thats still cool
[17:03:08] <fenn> i have a rhino 3000 but the print head looks identical to the label manager 160
[17:03:31] <Tom_itx> i print mine on labels and heatshrink em: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/how_to/atmega168/breadboard_basic_side.jpg
[17:03:53] <renesis> yeah thats exactly what i do
[17:03:59] <Tom_itx> regular paper slides around too much when you're trying to position it
[17:04:06] <renesis> tho never on anything as small as hookup wire, thats pretty cool
[17:04:28] <fenn> can only do very short label text that way
[17:04:30] <renesis> you use reg clear or adhesive heat shrink tube?
[17:04:41] <Tom_itx> regular
[17:04:59] <renesis> you can do two rows and pretty small font with most label makers
[17:05:01] <fenn> oh you don't wrap the wire with the label, nevermind
[17:05:27] <Tom_itx> it wraps a little bit
[17:05:33] <Tom_itx> just enough to stick it in place
[17:05:47] <renesis> i use reg on 1/4" audio cable, never had an issue with sliding
[17:06:40] <Tom_itx> i tried paper and it slid around too much when i slipped the clear over it
[17:06:52] <Tom_itx> the labels stay put when sliding the tube over em
[17:07:32] <renesis> thats really cool im totally gonna steal that
[17:08:28] <Tom_itx> no (TM) here
[17:08:49] <renesis> i would steal it anyway i prob wont sell many
[17:23:32] <furrywolf> my truck was built with a 100% waterproof harness, switches, etc.
[17:25:46] <PetefromTn_> my old truck was hehe
[17:26:05] <furrywolf> military?
[17:26:11] <PetefromTn_> nope
[17:26:26] <furrywolf> hrmm, which civvy vehicles had waterproof electrics?
[17:26:36] <PetefromTn_> my suzuki samurai LOL
[17:26:42] <fenn> land rover?
[17:27:02] <furrywolf> I find that hard to believe. :P
[17:27:12] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lk19wEdsh0
[17:27:17] <furrywolf> all switches, gauges, etc airtight?
[17:27:27] <fenn> no, i mean in the engine bay
[17:27:31] <fenn> for fording rivers and stuff
[17:27:56] <furrywolf> that's pretty normal. I mean the entire vehicle. lol
[17:30:55] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgAs4NHwPzQ it's a feature. :)
[17:33:19] <fenn> does that even have electricity
[17:34:28] <furrywolf> lol
[17:34:51] <furrywolf> yes, and it's gasoline, with spark ignition.
[17:35:25] <furrywolf> the entire drivetrain is pressurized - axles, t-case, transmission, bellhousing, engine block - to prevent water entry through seals.
[17:36:22] <fenn> not much to it: http://www.surplusjeep.com/M715/group_6__electrical__m715.htm
[17:37:13] <furrywolf> by holding the drivetrain at 3psi, they figure if you're in deep enough to force water past the seals, you probably have other worries.
[17:38:18] <furrywolf> the electrical is sufficiently waterproof to submerge the vehicle and keep operating.
[17:38:21] <furrywolf> without damage
[17:39:26] <PetefromTn_> I only added vent tubes and a snorkel to my suzuki samurai's and I routinely buried it in mud and river crossings... never failed me once..
[17:39:52] <furrywolf> I've done that on a few stock vehicles, and water in axles is the norm...
[17:39:58] <PetefromTn_> nope
[17:40:05] <PetefromTn_> not on these things
[17:40:51] <furrywolf> drove a Bronco back the other day after some fun at the beach, and the freeway speeds had turned the gear oil and water mix into a lovely solid foam...
[17:41:08] <PetefromTn_> I have owned about eight of them and wheeled them unmercifully basically all over east Tennessee
[17:43:07] <furrywolf> I'm still waiting to find a good deal on a m35a2. :)
[17:43:49] <PetefromTn_> my wheeling friend actually has an M715 kaiser like yours..
[17:43:56] <PetefromTn_> he also has a highly built samurai
[17:44:05] <PetefromTn_> and a nice clean older land rover
[17:44:14] <furrywolf> sounds like he has too much money. :)
[17:44:18] <PetefromTn_> I will give you three guesses which one he wheels all the time...
[17:44:31] <zeeshan> the land rover
[17:44:37] <zeeshan> (
[17:44:54] <PetefromTn_> his Kaiser is the softtop model all open tho.
[17:45:02] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/uZUeBIF.jpg
[17:45:05] <zeeshan> the wheel fits!
[17:45:05] <PetefromTn_> it is also a huge beast
[17:45:12] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/tjXfDKT.jpg
[17:45:15] <zeeshan> thats how much i gotta remove
[17:45:18] <PetefromTn_> hard to fit on the local tight trails
[17:45:57] <furrywolf> yes, it is huge. and heavy. and unless you put lockers in it, not good for rocks - the 1.5ton suspension, with big thick leaf packs all around, means you have NO flex. if you put one wheel up a rock, you lift the other diagonal's two wheels, and stop goin.
[17:46:30] <PetefromTn_> he is actually trying to remedy some of that... I think it has lockers in it now...and a PTO winch
[17:46:39] <furrywolf> of course, the upside to those giant leaf packs is you can park a sammy in the back of it and it won't even sag much. :)
[17:46:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah it's a beast
[17:47:03] <PetefromTn_> but when we went wheeling all the time he took the sammi
[17:47:20] <PetefromTn_> we both actually usually drove to and from the trail too LOL
[17:47:22] <furrywolf> I have an ARB air locker for the front and a Detroit locker for the rear... sitting in my kitchen. I need to install them.
[17:47:35] <PetefromTn_> ARB is NICE
[17:47:51] <furrywolf> I drove the 715 from ca to nj and back to ca. it can make it to trails just fine. :P
[17:48:03] <PetefromTn_> I bought that Bronco thinking I would wheel it but the reality is it is too big and that one was too nice..
[17:48:14] <PetefromTn_> I need to find a decent cheap sammi and build another crawler...
[17:48:40] <PetefromTn_> that is really the only downfall of the sammi....it is not much on the freeway
[17:48:46] <furrywolf> 10k mile round trip, and it needed a set of spark plugs, a distributor cap, and about a half gallon of lucas for the t-case. :)
[17:48:53] <PetefromTn_> but actually with a lift and tires and the proper gearing it does okay
[17:49:04] <furrywolf> the 715 has a design top speed of 55mph.
[17:49:20] <just_pink> hi
[17:49:25] <furrywolf> the governor will kick in around 60, since you're past redline.
[17:49:30] <PetefromTn_> my Zuk on 35" boggers could do 75 with the 6.5-1 transfer case gears in it..
[17:50:36] <PetefromTn_> my wife used to drive it to the store when she was pregnant with our first child because it was fun to drive and she never worried about snow LOL
[17:50:55] <furrywolf> mine came with the governor disabled, so it will go 65... but the engine is screaming. putting on the 38.5" swampers helped.
[17:51:19] <furrywolf> that's only a few inches bigger than the stock tires, however.
[17:51:26] <PetefromTn_> I foget what size mudders he has on his...
[17:51:36] <furrywolf> you can fit 44s before you need to start buying lift parts... I might do that one of these days.
[17:51:41] <PetefromTn_> I THINK they are heavy duty military tires tho...
[17:51:49] <furrywolf> I'll probably go for recentered hmmwv beadlocks.
[17:51:54] <PetefromTn_> I know they are STUPID heavy
[17:52:28] <furrywolf> hmmwv beadlocks are reasonably affordable, certified for highway use, and excellent offroad.
[17:53:00] <furrywolf> and come with runflat inserts. :)
[17:53:11] <PetefromTn_> that is another nice thing about the zuks... they are so lightweight as long as you don't run too oversized a tire for the rims you don't really need beadlocks
[17:53:25] <furrywolf> the 715 is not lightweight.
[17:53:30] <furrywolf> I have subarus for that. :)
[17:53:55] <PetefromTn_> in all the time I wheeled them the only time I spit a rim was deep in a mudhole and I jammed it into a fallen tree stump under the mud you could not see...
[17:54:14] <furrywolf> a lot of it is terrain too... around here, you're wheeling on sand, mud, and forest trails. no rocks. subarus do excellently.
[17:54:21] <PetefromTn_> that was a lot of fun getting all the mud cleaned out of the tire/rim so we could get it back together
[17:54:57] <furrywolf> the 715 has split rims, so you can mount/dismount a tire with no tools. like most things, it has a downside, and that being that most tire shops won't touch one with a 10ft pole.
[17:55:49] <furrywolf> if assembled properly, they're perfectly safe. if you don't know what you're doing, they'll kill you, or some random bystander...
[17:56:01] <PetefromTn_> we routinely ran 8-10 psi offroad and never blew a bead hardly ever even on nasty rocks....
[17:56:29] <furrywolf> I have to be really careful, as I have tubes. if I slip the tire on the rim, the tube is instantly toast.
[17:56:40] <furrywolf> rips the valve stem off
[17:57:36] <furrywolf> it's not just blowing a bead... it's blowing a $50 tube and needing a spare to get moving again.
[18:00:00] <PetefromTn_> we just got back from a little hike today...
[18:00:26] <PetefromTn_> we took the kids and drove up to Clingman's dome which is the highest elevation basically anywhere around here.
[18:00:47] <PetefromTn_> the path is paved and they have a huge concrete observation tower at the top
[18:01:03] <PetefromTn_> you can see apparently 7 states from there but it was pretty cloudy today
[18:01:22] <PetefromTn_> kinda neat to be able to stand there and have clouds flow past you
[18:01:23] <furrywolf> you can't see 7 miles here due to smoke. heh.
[18:02:12] <PetefromTn_> I must admit that the trail up there is kinda steep and I was huffin' and puffin' pretty good by the time we reached the top... its not hard to climb as evidenced by the old ladies doing it tho heheh
[18:02:38] <PetefromTn_> I don't do that sort of stuff enough anymore
[18:02:40] <furrywolf> some areas are a lot worst... we're actually in a declared state of emergency right now due to unhealthy smoke levels... I've been lucky and it hasn't blown towards here.
[18:03:07] <PetefromTn_> I know I have seen some of the coverage of the fires.....
[18:03:26] <PetefromTn_> having lived for quite a few years in cali both North and South I am used to that happening there tho...
[18:03:37] <furrywolf> they're handing out filters, and have "clean air shelters" you can go to if you're having breathing problems.
[18:03:39] <PetefromTn_> basically every year there is a massive fire somewhere out there...
[18:04:22] <furrywolf> it's not that the ones this year are very abnormally massive, but that it's pretty earlier for them... going to get worse before the rainy season starts.
[18:05:00] <PetefromTn_> its kind of part of the ecology of that area... a lot of the trees actually use the fires to germinate as I understand it.
[18:05:02] <furrywolf> and they're in bad areas.
[18:05:25] <furrywolf> http://lostcoastoutpost.com/media/uploads/post/13773/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-08-20%2Bat%2B8.02.14%2BPM.png can YOU see the bridge? I sure can't. lol
[18:08:57] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/oGVMHyj.jpg
[18:09:42] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/iS5MTnJ.jpg
[18:10:28] <zeeshan> this joke made me laugh
[18:10:33] <zeeshan> but i laugh easily
[18:10:52] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/JufFosN.jpg and a pretty one LOL
[18:11:03] <zeeshan> are you from tennessee? cause you're the ONLY ten I see
[18:11:04] <zeeshan> lol
[18:11:11] <zeeshan> i used that on my gf
[18:11:57] * furrywolf labels zeeshan as easily amused.
[18:12:22] <zeeshan> it's true
[18:12:34] <furrywolf> have you made your lumps yet? :P
[18:12:40] <zeeshan> no working on these wheels
[18:13:55] <furrywolf> have you tried suggesting to the guy that they're hideously ugly and no one will buy them, so you want to get paid up front? :)
[18:14:14] <zeeshan> furrywolf: you haven't done much business have you?
[18:14:44] <furrywolf> I thought you didn't want the job? :P
[18:14:56] <zeeshan> im 50/50 on it
[18:15:06] <zeeshan> if i can outsource it, i will defnitely take that option
[18:15:10] <furrywolf> lol
[18:15:26] <zeeshan> honestly doing this wheel job
[18:15:34] <zeeshan> is much more satisfying than that lump.
[18:16:07] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/oIy7VXe.jpg I thought this one was kind of Zen.
[18:16:36] <furrywolf> did you also tell your gf you have a very satisfying lump?
[18:17:19] <zeeshan> :P
[18:17:58] <furrywolf> once you get good at making those, keep in mind that wooden toys go for a lot of money. :P
[18:22:00] <furrywolf> bleh. I'm feeling tired and sore today, and not getting much done.
[18:22:17] * zeeshan slaps furrywolf
[18:22:19] <zeeshan> wake up
[18:22:49] <furrywolf> heh, quote of the day re lifted vehicles: "Jeez, never mind the "on board air", if that rig was much taller you'd need on-board OXYGEN"
[18:24:51] <zeeshan> lol
[18:45:51] <Tom_itx> saw a slogan on a tow truck that made me chuckle today: 'We don't do arms or legs, just tows'
[18:50:06] <Tom_itx> zee-mill is alive!
[18:54:04] <furrywolf> a local septic pumping company's trucks all say "we're #1 in the #2 business."
[19:08:07] <zeeshan-mill> -6.5
[19:08:09] <zeeshan-mill> lol tom
[19:37:46] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Have you played with the us digital optical encoders?
[19:42:12] <Tom_itx> no not unless the one i have is us digital
[19:42:17] <Tom_itx> i've use heds
[19:42:49] <Tom_itx> these are open collector output which require pullups
[19:43:21] <os1r1s> How much do the ones you use run? Roughly?
[19:43:34] <Tom_itx> free
[19:43:36] <Tom_itx> :)
[19:43:39] <os1r1s> haha
[19:43:47] <Tom_itx> do you need a tiny one?
[19:44:11] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: I want ones to put on my lathe and shertaig mill.
[19:44:13] <Tom_itx> these were pulled from old medical equipment
[19:44:23] <os1r1s> And I was debating on which to get. They all looked to be in the $100 range
[19:44:31] <os1r1s> But had quadrature and index outputz
[19:44:35] <os1r1s> outputs
[19:46:48] <Tom_itx> mmm i have the pdf here somewhere for these
[19:47:20] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/pdf/Nemicon%20OME%20Encoder.pdf
[19:53:39] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: That's pretty cool
[19:53:46] <os1r1s> Are yours the 2M variant?
[19:53:57] <Tom_itx> OME-500-2MCA
[19:54:35] <Tom_itx> http://www.nemicon.com/miniature.htm
[19:56:52] <os1r1s> Those are pretty slick
[20:01:49] <Tom_itx> i repurposed these
[20:01:55] <Tom_itx> they have gears on the shaft
[20:02:01] <Tom_itx> as part of the shaft
[20:02:58] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/spindle_enc6.jpg
[20:03:03] <Tom_itx> you can see the gear there
[20:11:04] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/motors/focusring12.jpg
[20:11:09] <Tom_itx> that's where they started life
[20:11:34] <Tom_itx> focus ring for some medical equipment
[20:12:15] <os1r1s> That looks like a large focusing ring
[20:12:28] <jdh> for an excimer laser for eyes
[20:13:01] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/motors/focusring11.jpg
[20:13:41] <Tom_itx> 2 per and i have 2 units
[20:32:27] <furrywolf> grrrrrr. the one thing I got at yard sales today, a 4-channel pioneer amp to put in my subaru, that I explicitly asked, TWICE, whether it worked, and was assured it did... has a blown channel.
[20:32:30] <furrywolf> I hate people.
[20:33:12] <malcom2073> Yeah, don't buy electronics used heh
[20:33:14] <Tom_itx> i got some alpine stuff you can have if you come get it
[20:33:19] <malcom2073> Especially not at "working" prices :P
[20:36:18] <malcom2073> zeeshan-mill: I'm very sorry.
[20:36:24] <malcom2073> I've decided to strip the servos off my machine
[20:36:36] <zeeshan> send them to me?
[20:36:38] <zeeshan> dc brush?
[20:36:46] <malcom2073> Hah, pay me. DC brush
[20:36:51] <zeeshan> how many kw
[20:37:00] <malcom2073> I think 1.2? But I forget
[20:37:04] <furrywolf> ... why the heck would you take off servos?
[20:37:08] <malcom2073> lemme look at my pics
[20:37:09] <zeeshan> fury
[20:37:10] <zeeshan> SHH
[20:37:11] <zeeshan> SHHHHHHHHHhh
[20:37:18] <zeeshan> malcom2073: im seriously interested
[20:37:20] <zeeshan> ive been looking for 2.
[20:37:23] <malcom2073> furrywolf: I can spend $200 on a mesa, $150 on a power supply, hope that the drivers work, or I can spend $0 and stick steppers on it
[20:37:24] <zeeshan> in the 2kW range
[20:37:29] <malcom2073> zeeshan-mill: let me look
[20:37:47] <furrywolf> you can spend $350 and have it work well, or $0 and have it suck? :)
[20:37:55] <pcw_home> steppers max out at about 200W so no comparison
[20:38:08] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/xVyoSl.jpg ...
[20:38:30] <malcom2073> My dads mill works wonderfully on steppers
[20:39:18] <malcom2073> zeeshan-mill: 135V 52amp is listed on the servo
[20:39:37] <malcom2073> so, 7kw?
[20:39:38] <zeeshan> thats 7kW!
[20:39:47] <zeeshan> you have identical ones?
[20:39:55] <malcom2073> I have 3, + 1 spare
[20:40:05] <zeeshan> is tachometer based
[20:40:07] <zeeshan> or encoder
[20:40:17] <pcw_home> steppers will suck on a machine that size
[20:40:22] <malcom2073> It seems to have both a tach and quadrature
[20:40:22] <zeeshan> pcw_home: can you stop
[20:40:27] <zeeshan> :P
[20:40:27] <malcom2073> Lol
[20:40:37] <pcw_home> oops sorry
[20:40:37] <malcom2073> pcw_home: They do good on my dads machine, which is similar sized, only slightly smaller
[20:40:39] <malcom2073> I don't mill fast
[20:40:39] <fenn> careful zeeshan, don't let him know you're so interested or you'll get a bad deal
[20:40:40] <malcom2073> or much
[20:40:42] <zeeshan> can you pm me a price
[20:40:45] <malcom2073> fenn: Too late :P
[20:40:49] <zeeshan> i want 2
[20:40:55] <malcom2073> Nah, I'll save them and sell as a set
[20:40:59] <malcom2073> with drivers
[20:41:02] <malcom2073> Probably get *Way* more that way
[20:41:02] <zeeshan> :(
[20:41:05] <furrywolf> so.... you want to put tiny little steppers on a machine meant for 7kw servos? :P
[20:41:16] <malcom2073> furrywolf: 1800oz/in should do fine with a 2:! ratio
[20:41:18] <malcom2073> 2:1
[20:41:25] <zeeshan> what
[20:41:26] <furrywolf> it'll be slow.
[20:41:26] <zeeshan> lol
[20:41:29] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, see he's working on the price now...
[20:41:31] <malcom2073> Well yeah, but I mill slow
[20:41:34] <furrywolf> it'll work... slowly.
[20:41:54] <zeeshan> you guys are mean
[20:41:56] <furrywolf> my rapids aren't, and it's very annoying. :P
[20:41:57] <zeeshan> i almost had servos
[20:42:03] <zeeshan> for my 5 axis conversion
[20:42:04] <zeeshan> thanks a lot
[20:42:10] <malcom2073> Heh
[20:42:22] <malcom2073> Well, the conversion will be reversable, everything bolt-on
[20:42:32] <malcom2073> So when I have more money, maybe I can invest ina power supply and mesa and give it a shot
[20:42:51] <furrywolf> how do you plan on driving the steppers?
[20:43:02] <malcom2073> I have a 3 axis 10amp controller/power supply I got for a steal
[20:43:08] <furrywolf> you need a mesa board for them too, because parport is really only good for toys...
[20:43:19] <malcom2073> This *is* a toy
[20:43:30] <malcom2073> to me
[20:43:35] <furrywolf> toys don't have 7kW servos. :P
[20:43:40] <malcom2073> And my dad has a stepper mesa I can borrow :-P
[20:44:25] * furrywolf gives up, since some people just can't be convinced not to make bad decisions
[20:44:35] <zeeshan> i make them all the time
[20:44:38] <malcom2073> HEy I was all gung ho to do servos, but I've had this mill for over 6 months now and I've not been able to do jack shit with it
[20:44:39] <zeeshan> dont let it bother you
[20:44:47] <malcom2073> I want to use the damn thing
[20:45:02] <malcom2073> And I can use it with steppers, with exactly $0 investment
[20:45:02] <zeeshan> whats wrong with it
[20:45:07] <malcom2073> zeeshan-mill: Needs a mesa to drive the servos
[20:45:15] <malcom2073> And a 130V DC power supply to run them
[20:45:17] <zeeshan> you cant afford 170$?
[20:45:26] <furrywolf> the time it takes to pull the servos and drives, and install the steppers and drives, exceeds the time it would take to get a job and earn money and buy a mesa servo board. :P
[20:45:31] <malcom2073> $230, and no
[20:45:35] <pcw_home> On the other hand a slow step motor conversion is somewhat less likely to kill you
[20:45:42] <zeeshan> pcw_home: lol
[20:45:44] <malcom2073> Heh
[20:45:49] <SpeedEvil> 7kW servos sounds unlikely.
[20:45:55] <zeeshan> yea
[20:45:57] <SpeedEvil> Are these servos too heavy to lift?
[20:46:06] <malcom2073> SpeedEvil: They're probably about 40lbs each
[20:46:10] <SpeedEvil> ah.
[20:46:12] <malcom2073> maybe 35
[20:46:15] <SpeedEvil> Maybe not then.
[20:46:24] <SpeedEvil> I was thinking you'd missed a '.'
[20:46:37] <zeeshan> he was trying to rip me off
[20:46:38] <zeeshan> jeez
[20:47:04] <malcom2073> lol
[20:47:07] <malcom2073> Possible
[20:47:16] <pcw_home> probab 1-2 KW but 7KW peak is possible
[20:47:29] <malcom2073> http://mikesshop.net/millmove/image029.jpg
[20:47:35] <malcom2073> The motor is on the left side of the head
[20:47:41] <zeeshan> oh
[20:47:43] <zeeshan> cute little motor
[20:47:45] <pcw_home> a 2 KW cont servo may well be 7KW peak
[20:47:46] <zeeshan> thats not 7kw for sure
[20:47:49] <zeeshan> thats prolly around 1.5
[20:47:50] <malcom2073> 14" long, probably 5-6" diameter
[20:47:52] <zeeshan> to 2
[20:48:06] <jdh> http://i.imgur.com/IFnafIb.gifv
[20:48:36] <malcom2073> Ah Japan
[20:48:39] <furrywolf> I'm pissed about this amp. I'm tempted to drive back there and ask for my cash back, and/or toss it through their window.
[20:48:47] <furrywolf> I asked TWICE and was told it worked.
[20:49:00] <malcom2073> furrywolf: You didn't know that's how yard sales work? You try to sell junk that doesn't work
[20:49:03] <malcom2073> if it worked, it'd be on ebay
[20:49:09] <jdh> works== some sound comes out
[20:49:14] <LatheBuilderShop> pcw_home which is the right executable to run in the firmware updater for windows (5i25/7i77)?
[20:49:15] <furrywolf> I must be weird, because I can't imagine being such an asshole as to lie to someone just to get money.
[20:49:35] <pcw_home> They told you what they thought they could get away with and most likely to have you remove money from your wallet...
[20:49:56] <furrywolf> malcom2073: actually, of the dozen or so amps I've bought at yard sales, this is only the second that doesn't work... and most of the others people didn't know if they worked or not. heh.
[20:50:07] <malcom2073> heh
[20:50:24] <os1r1s> pcw_home: Could you recommend a servo amp for (small nema23 size servos) that would work with the 7i77?
[20:50:33] <pcw_home> Which firmware updater? mesaflash?
[20:50:50] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Yep you're abornomal
[20:51:18] <pcw_home> normally the drive must match the particular motors for brushless drives
[20:51:25] <LatheBuilderShop> i pulled the zip from you site. Can't get mesaflash to run within ubuntu to save my life, just pulled it into my windows machine
[20:52:03] <pcw_home> apt-get install mesaflash
[20:52:22] <malcom2073> Anywho, so yeah I wanted to apologize zeeshan, because I knew it'd irk you to no end :-P
[20:52:30] <LatheBuilderShop> did that, error was something like unable to get package from e:
[20:52:39] <pcw_home> well
[20:52:41] <pcw_home> sudo apt-get install mesaflash
[20:53:09] * zeeshan will still look :P
[20:53:10] <LatheBuilderShop> right, i added the sudo super user prefix
[20:53:38] <pcw_home> if you have a recent linuxcnc install that should work
[20:53:54] <LatheBuilderShop> i am a bit at a loss, i used to know unix/linux in and out.
[20:54:13] <LatheBuilderShop> the machine is running master branch since last night
[20:55:03] <malcom2073> Here ya go zeeshan: http://mikesshop.net/mill/image019.jpg
[20:55:26] <pcw_home> might have to do a
[20:55:28] <pcw_home> sudo apt-get update
[20:55:34] <zeeshan> fak
[20:55:36] <LatheBuilderShop> I found your setup instructions in the archive was following them for firmware update. Ubuntu 10.xx LTS, but master
[20:55:38] <zeeshan> i really want those
[20:55:52] <zeeshan> actually
[20:55:53] <zeeshan> wait nm
[20:55:57] <zeeshan> they are only .7kW
[20:55:58] <LatheBuilderShop> ahhhh! will do that. Thanks
[20:56:01] <zeeshan> its 5.2A
[20:56:14] <malcom2073> Hmm, odd, the drives are significantly larger, let me find the spec sheet
[20:56:29] <zeeshan> those are good for x and y axis
[20:56:41] <malcom2073> That's what they're for
[20:56:51] <malcom2073> The spindle motor is a 3hp heh
[20:57:18] <malcom2073> Drives are 15amp
[20:57:43] <malcom2073> 15cont, 25A peak
[20:58:31] <LatheBuilderShop> maybe i could ask another. I installed the latest live cd debian on an alternate box, going to upgrade. Thing is it prompts for what seems to be a root password. Didn't set a root password and none of the user passwords i set work
[20:59:41] <LatheBuilderShop> do i do something in the boot sequence to make it boot into terminal instead and then change root password to match my user pw?
[20:59:41] <malcom2073> Hmm, they can't be 5.2A motors. The drivers are 92v/15a continuous, which is 1.85hp
[20:59:51] <furrywolf> I have several spare car amps, but they're all 2-channel... I bought this one because I needed a 4-channel.
[21:00:24] <pcw_home> it should not ask for a root password but it does ask for the user and password (unlike Ubuntu)
[21:01:12] <LatheBuilderShop> the first displayed login screen for the debian livecd does not allow selection of the username, only prompts for password.
[21:01:41] <pcw_home> livecd or installed?
[21:01:51] <LatheBuilderShop> I only added one user account during install, and that password does not work.
[21:01:56] <pcw_home> Ive never bother with the livecd
[21:02:16] <pcw_home> bothered
[21:02:23] <LatheBuilderShop> what is the preferred way? I feel like I should learn the right way.
[21:02:27] <pcw_home> alsway just used it to install
[21:03:08] <LatheBuilderShop> i am just using it to wipe and install to the hard disk
[21:04:45] <pcw_home> I dont recall that it even asked for a password when running the installer
[21:04:46] <LatheBuilderShop> i went back to my ubuntu 10 install because i knew it works. the catch is it is so obsolete that it will not make the update from LCNC 2.5 to 2.6 without fixing dependencies I don't have the skills to fix.
[21:05:43] <furrywolf> so much for my plan of making my car having a working stereo tonight. bleh.
[21:05:50] <Tom_itx> LatheBuilderShop sure it will
[21:05:54] <Tom_itx> i did it
[21:06:22] <Tom_itx> in fact i'm running 2.7 on it
[21:07:26] <LatheBuilderShop> i did it on my mill. the one i am running master on now, but i did that update a long time ago...same procedure wouldn't fly yesterday. I like ubuntu better than Debian, even though i understand it is based on debian.
[21:07:47] <malcom2073> zeeshan: They are 7kw motors, and apparently the datasheet says they weigh 110lbs
[21:08:01] <zeeshan> they look nothing like 110lb
[21:08:09] <zeeshan> i have a 80lb z servo :P
[21:08:39] <pcw_home> I dont remember much about the wheezy install since I dont like plain debian much either (to many sharp edges)
[21:08:40] <pcw_home> running on ubuntu 14.04 here
[21:09:30] <malcom2073> Unless I'm wrong about the part number, which could be since the dataplate doesn't match a couple other things on the datasheet
[21:09:32] <LatheBuilderShop> also, several of the commands I have tested out do not work. Thought perhaps it was because you all were switching to debian. Good to know you are still on ubuntu.
[21:10:04] <pcw_home> ubuntu debian mint all seem OK
[21:10:29] <LatheBuilderShop> Did you have to compile LCNC to run, or install 10.02 LTS from live cd and then update?
[21:10:41] <Tom_itx> livecd then updated
[21:10:50] <Tom_itx> 10.04
[21:11:05] <pcw_home> I built from source for 14.04
[21:12:34] <LatheBuilderShop> ok, i have some more homework to do.
[21:13:14] <malcom2073> Ok it may be 68lbs
[21:13:19] <pcw_home> the wheezy live cd should just work though
[21:13:45] <LatheBuilderShop> One last one i believe: did any of the 7i77 parameters change syntax between firmware versions? When I updated to master it let me know my firmware was outdated. I bought them from you maybe 5ish years ago
[21:13:59] <pcw_home> it will not work on some really new machines as it has a fairly old kernel
[21:14:09] <Wolf_Mill> I did a live disk install with 2.7 just the other day
[21:14:58] <pcw_home> no syntax changes but an important bug fix ( but if you didnt hit it in 5 years it may never bite you)
[21:17:14] <pcw_home> if your 5I25/6I25 is as old you will probably have to update its firmware first
[21:22:38] <Wolf_Mill> great, cant find the jumper info on these DM542A drivers...
[21:25:52] <Wolf_Mill> PUL+ is the positive end of pulses input pin < Thats step at the falling edge?
[21:27:23] <LatheBuilderShop> During the ubuntu 10 install there is an option to automatically login. perhaps there is an option I am missing. Wolf_Mill did you get a password protected login screen?
[21:29:14] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, had to set a password during setup, which I found out that 1 letter passwords dont work so I needed to reset the pass using a trick to startup to root w/out a pass
[21:38:28] <os1r1s> pcw_home: Do you think the 12A8 servo amps pair well with the 7i77?
[21:39:19] <os1r1s> (advanced motion controls)
[21:39:21] <LatheBuilderShop> don't feel bad, 7 letter passwords don't work either. =) thanks for talking pcw_home Wolf_Mill and Tom_itx
[21:40:48] <skunkworks> os1r1s: yes
[21:41:31] <os1r1s> skunkworks: And think that would work with this motor? http://cnc4pc.com/product_info.php/nema23-230-ozin-dual-shaft-servo-motor-p-585?osCsid=ts4b7s572b6b96fj3dcn1kuf23
[21:43:50] <skunkworks> probably work well.. You won't get peak current - but probably ok
[21:44:26] <Wolf_Mill> great, cant find the timing info for these drivers I have at all
[21:44:53] <os1r1s> skunkworks: This will be on a mini-mill (taig/sherline) size.
[21:45:30] <XXCoder> wheee
[21:45:37] <XXCoder> lots smoke in air here
[21:45:48] <XXCoder> ricious number of fires in washingotn state
[21:45:53] <XXCoder> red sun basically
[21:46:51] <furrywolf> same here
[21:47:39] <skunkworks> I don't have a feeling on what a mini mill takes. I assuming a gear reduction
[21:50:35] <furrywolf> my sherline is direct-drive with nema23 steppers.
[21:52:33] <skunkworks> sure. steppers can do that
[21:55:41] <os1r1s> furrywolf: As is mine today. But I'd like to give servos a shot
[22:09:26] * furrywolf would like to give being wealthy a shot too
[22:10:37] <Jymmm> furrywolf: you have a welth of batteries and generators ;)
[22:12:44] <Jymmm> My wealth is in pine cone futures
[22:14:19] <zeeshan-mill> man this wheel boring job
[22:14:22] <zeeshan-mill> is so easyyyy
[22:25:47] <furrywolf> so easy it's boring?
[22:27:41] <zeeshan-mill> no
[22:27:47] <zeeshan-mill> considering this is no lump piece of crap
[22:27:48] <Tom_shop> what you workin on?
[22:27:49] <zeeshan-mill> this is fun
[22:28:05] <Tom_shop> givin up on the polished turd?
[22:28:19] <zeeshan-mill> no tom
[22:28:24] <zeeshan-mill> im prolly gonna do it
[22:28:27] <zeeshan-mill> but RREALLY slowly
[22:28:28] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[22:28:41] <zeeshan-mill> that fixture plate idea has got me a bit excited about it
[22:29:28] <Tom_itx> what reference point are you gonna use between fixtures?
[22:30:07] <zeeshan-mill> ill pick one
[22:30:12] <zeeshan-mill> and keep it consistent between fixtres
[22:30:15] <zeeshan-mill> fixtures
[22:30:26] <zeeshan-mill> http://i.imgur.com/uZUeBIF.jpg
[22:30:54] <zeeshan-mill> http://i.imgur.com/tjXfDKT.jpg
[22:31:11] <Tom_itx> another polished turd?
[22:31:37] <zeeshan-mill> yes polishing the bore of this turd
[22:31:38] <furrywolf> Tom_itx: he's just making the turds. his customer is going to polish them himself.
[22:31:45] <zeeshan-mill> lol furrywolf
[22:32:57] <furrywolf> I saw someone bore out wheel centers with a holesaw once.
[22:33:11] <Tom_itx> what are you changing on the wheel?
[22:33:47] <Tom_itx> furrywolf, did they wobble?
[22:34:28] <furrywolf> I think the hole was large enough they lug centered instead of hub centered. :)
[22:36:29] <zeeshan-mill> lol furry
[22:36:37] <zeeshan-mill> Tom_itx, im making the bore larger
[22:36:44] <zeeshan-mill> to the size showing by the calipers
[22:36:54] <Tom_itx> what for?
[22:37:26] <Tom_itx> larger spindles?
[22:37:36] <zeeshan-mill> guy is swapping wheels meant for anther car
[22:37:38] <zeeshan-mill> onto his
[22:38:48] <furrywolf> " what's flowtoys?
[22:38:50] <furrywolf> Flowtoys® produces illuminated instruments that take you to the state of optimal experience known as "flow". There is something for everyone whether you are having fun with friends and family, or taking the perfect break from work that gets more oxygen to your brain and builds more neural networks. "
[22:38:54] <furrywolf> ... lol?
[22:39:36] <furrywolf> can I pretty please start a business selling garbage to idiots?
[22:52:08] <XXCoder> furrywolf: sure, cut me 10%
[23:14:57] <furrywolf> Þ <== what symbol does that show up as for people who aren't me?
[23:15:29] <XXCoder> half staff P
[23:15:53] <XXCoder> are you sure I'm not you though?
[23:15:53] <furrywolf> same here. a website I'm on has that after all their inch dimensions, and that's not a symbol I use for inches. lol
[23:16:01] <furrywolf> yes, I'm quite sure.
[23:16:02] <XXCoder> weird
[23:16:17] <furrywolf> wanted to make sure it wasn't a font issue or something stupid.
[23:19:02] <XXCoder> seems not
[23:19:49] <XXCoder> http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/diamonds-form-from-ancient-underground-seawater-study-suggests-1.3196384
[23:20:01] <XXCoder> hope that leads into finally making cheap diamonds
[23:20:09] <XXCoder> diamond lens and phone screen
[23:21:24] <furrywolf> we have the technology to make cheap diamonds already... we just don't. :P
[23:21:30] <furrywolf> big presses make gem-sized ones
[23:21:36] <furrywolf> cvd makes flat ones...
[23:21:59] <XXCoder> so far I know theres no process for cheap diamond
[23:22:02] <XXCoder> only other kinds
[23:23:27] <furrywolf> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Normal-CNC-or-not-and-Hydraulic_60304572960.html?spm=a2700.7724857.35.1.jt0Xyv&s=p you can even order your own diamond press straight from china. :P
[23:24:02] <XXCoder> interesting
[23:24:42] <XXCoder> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-a-Synthetic-Diamond/
[23:26:42] <furrywolf> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Diamond-Crystal-Growth-Chamber--H_135191478.html?spm=a2700.7724857.35.1.jt0Xyv
[23:29:06] <XXCoder> wonder whats size limit
[23:29:18] <fenn> malcom2073: the data plate says continuous stall torque 28 lb*in max rpm 3200 and multiplying those gives 1060 watts so its continuous rating is probably less than that
[23:29:20] <XXCoder> I bet its pretty hard to do say 4 inch by 7 inch
[23:31:14] <furrywolf> seems like a good way to ruin a microwave.
[23:31:19] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:32:15] <furrywolf> without producing a diamond.
[23:32:32] <XXCoder> he was apparently successful. tiny diamond but yeah
[23:32:53] <XXCoder> washer thing is cheesy though
[23:32:58] <XXCoder> I'd do bit more
[23:33:19] <furrywolf> I suspect he wasn't actually successful. heh.
[23:34:13] <furrywolf> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2000-Ton-Synthetic-Diamond-Hydraulic-Press_2018050501.html?spm=a2700.7724857.35.1.7cF3Xi
[23:35:56] <furrywolf> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/SY700-Synthetic-Diamond-HPHT-Hydraulic-Cubic_60197603586.html?spm=a2700.7724857.35.1.7cF3Xi looks better
[23:36:19] <XXCoder> 5k bucks
[23:36:25] <XXCoder> 10,000 peice
[23:37:26] <furrywolf> you too can start your own diamond factory. :P
[23:38:08] <XXCoder> fun
[23:38:17] <XXCoder> bet limited in size though
[23:38:28] <XXCoder> I want the ricious glass one sized one lol
[23:39:06] <furrywolf> http://g01.s.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1UyKFGXXXXXayXVXXq6xXFXXXK/220970283/HTB1UyKFGXXXXXayXVXXq6xXFXXXK.jpg you can have a factory like that. :)
[23:39:34] <furrywolf> I like the crooked, dented partitions. do you think they explode randomly? lol
[23:40:07] <XXCoder> looks like really cheaply built partitions using whatever sheets they had handy
[23:40:13] <XXCoder> and maybe lol
[23:40:29] <XXCoder> growing diamonds. thats diamond farm lol
[23:43:40] <furrywolf> I suspect they mostly make the tiny diamonds used on blades
[23:44:06] <fenn> when a press exceed the compressive strength of a hardened/brittle material (such as they would be using for anvils) pieces can fly off in random directions with kinetic energy greater than a rifle bullet
[23:45:10] <fenn> but the partitions are probably dented from something else
[23:45:11] <furrywolf> that would be the randomly exploding. :)
[23:45:39] <t12> shop is much nicer with real lights
[23:45:51] <t12> cheapo 4" lowes led lights better than expected
[23:47:27] <zeeshan> man im 50/50 about leds
[23:47:41] <zeeshan> i still like t12 tubes
[23:47:45] <furrywolf> http://g03.s.alicdn.com/kf/HTB11aTtHFXXXXblXXXXq6xXFXXXj/QMWG800-RVD-HPHT-Cubic-Press-in-Diamond.jpg they're bigger than some of the photos make them look.
[23:47:49] <zeeshan> hey look it matches your name :P
[23:48:18] <t12> i figured might as well try
[23:48:44] <furrywolf> I've been happy with most everything about LEDs except their cost.
[23:48:50] <t12> same
[23:48:55] <t12> i made some 50W lamps
[23:48:58] <t12> they make too much heat
[23:49:04] <t12> the heat sinking is kinda annoying for really bright ones
[23:49:33] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/dEQ2l
[23:49:35] <zeeshan> mission complete
[23:49:38] <zeeshan> total job time 2 hours
[23:49:54] <furrywolf> 55.3 meganewtons on each anvil
[23:50:31] <furrywolf> that's around 12.5 million pounds.
[23:50:41] <zeeshan> wtf is that
[23:50:54] <t12> industrial diamond machine?
[23:51:21] <zeeshan> er
[23:51:26] <zeeshan> http://www.bwsmigel.info/lesson9/Images.9/Gemesis.small.equipCGC.jpg
[23:51:35] <zeeshan> i thought lab grown diamonds grew in those chambers :P
[23:52:00] <furrywolf> there's various types of diamond machines. :P
[23:52:14] <zeeshan> :P
[23:52:17] <zeeshan> okay im outta here
[23:52:22] <zeeshan> i think im gonna drive ti niagara falls with my gf
[23:52:26] <zeeshan> late night cruise :)
[23:52:28] <zeeshan> cu
[23:52:31] <furrywolf> I think those are for growing pretty diamonds slowly, while the friggin huge ones are for growing lots of little diamonds quickly.
[23:53:43] <fenn> LEDs are more efficient at lower fractions of their current rating so you get less heat for a given light output using a 100W array vs a 10W array
[23:54:11] <fenn> the actual emitters are really cheap now
[23:54:38] <zeeshan> whats wrong with heat
[23:54:50] <fenn> you have to get rid of it which means a big heatsink
[23:55:09] <furrywolf> and it's wasted power
[23:55:15] <zeeshan> but
[23:55:22] <zeeshan> theyre only consuming tiny amount of power to begin with? :P
[23:55:24] <renesis> theyre like the same as fluoro, efficiency wise, but the heat happens all at one point
[23:55:32] <fenn> 100W is not a tiny amount of power
[23:55:38] <zeeshan> it is
[23:55:43] <zeeshan> when you compare them to the light output
[23:55:43] <renesis> i believe hid still wins in terms of efficiency
[23:55:46] <fenn> go put your hand on a 100W light bulb then
[23:56:04] <zeeshan> i dont know where this 100W number is coming rom
[23:56:08] <zeeshan> but the light bulbs you buy at store
[23:56:12] <zeeshan> the led ones are 11W
[23:56:24] <zeeshan> and are equivalent to 100W light output of regular halogen
[23:56:48] <renesis> ?
[23:57:06] <zeeshan> http://www.homedepot.ca/product/led-95w--60w-a-line-a19-warm-glow-2700k-2200k-case-of-4-bulbs/420616?eid=PS_GO_140203__ALL_PLA-420616&pid=420616&gclid=CO_A9ZCwvscCFZKBaQodyj8JIQ&kpid=420616
[23:57:08] <zeeshan> this stuff
[23:57:50] <zeeshan> http://www.homedepot.ca/product/led-19w--100w-a-line-a19-soft-white-2700k-case-of-4-bulbs/401375
[23:57:52] <zeeshan> sorry 19W not 11
[23:58:07] <renesis> right, they kick ass versus filament bulbs, but the heat is harder to manage than flouro
[23:58:09] <zeeshan> i have this bulb in many of my fxitures
[23:58:18] <zeeshan> philips doesnt thinkso? :P
[23:58:23] <renesis> pretty sure flouro is about same efficiency
[23:58:50] <zeeshan> yea i dont think its a huge difference between the two
[23:58:51] <renesis> but in a flouro tube, the heat dissipates over the area of the whole tube
[23:59:04] <zeeshan> i really like t8 or t12 bulbs
[23:59:05] <zeeshan> er
[23:59:06] <zeeshan> tubes
[23:59:10] <renesis> in an LED, all the heat happens at the emitter, so its kind of a bitch to get rid of
[23:59:26] <zeeshan> but if it was such a big problem
[23:59:32] <zeeshan> we wouldnt have these bulbs in the market
[23:59:37] <furrywolf> I don't like the color of most T12 tubes, and T8s cost almost as much as LED.
[23:59:41] <renesis> 10w spread over a long tube is not that hot, 10w happening over 1cm^2 is a big fucking deal
[23:59:53] <renesis> for sure not going to pass the spit test