#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-08-20

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[00:26:23] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: the cap has a vent
[01:39:33] <fenn> zeeshan: this seems like the sort of thing where you make one as a prototype first to ensure that it's what the customer actually wants
[01:40:01] <fenn> it looks pretty lumpy and wrinkly to me, and it would suck to get 40 of them like that
[01:41:12] <fenn> also the really thin strip of wood along the bottom corner looks fragile, and that whole situation with the sharp corner on the bottom just looks weird
[01:41:47] <fenn> iirc the original had a rounded corner on the bottom
[02:08:38] <Wolf_> damn still going on about that e-turd :P
[02:16:08] <Deejay> moin
[02:27:15] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: Ruland :) It's look very nice,
[02:28:16] <Wolf_> so much to do before its cncing
[02:29:15] <Wolf_> much lathe work oddly lol
[02:34:37] <pink_vampire> I remember the installation of my machine - nightmare - the motors very heavy, the cuplenig almost press fit,, and you need to make sure that everything is precise,
[02:34:54] <pink_vampire> I'm soo happy that I'm aftaer that..
[02:34:58] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: ^
[02:36:18] <Wolf_> fun part is doing setups on the lathe that I haven’t tried before
[02:36:36] <Wolf_> like boring the lead screw blocks
[02:38:01] <archivist> the lathe is an essential tool
[02:38:30] <Wolf_> yup
[02:38:43] <pink_vampire> maybe after the bandsaw project..
[02:39:04] <archivist> lathe is before bandsaw in importance
[02:39:20] <pink_vampire> why it's so heavy
[02:39:40] <archivist> it makes better hinges for your saw
[02:40:14] <Wolf_> I never thought I needed/wanted a lathe, then I got one
[02:40:35] <Wolf_> probably done more on the lathe then my mill
[02:40:42] <pink_vampire> I have pain in my hands and arms.
[02:40:45] <archivist> and now, all those hard jobs become easy
[02:41:13] <archivist> I use my lathes more often than the mill
[02:41:18] <Wolf_> now if the one lathe wasn’t a total piece of shit…
[02:42:14] <archivist> one? get more
[02:42:26] <Wolf_> I think my taig micro lathe is better quality then my 7x10
[02:43:09] <Wolf_> I was setting a taig lathe up for pool/billiards cue mobile repair work
[02:43:17] <pink_vampire> why the arm soo pain?
[02:50:10] <zeeshan> fenn: yes, i am 3d printing a prototype before actually making one. so far he likes what he sees. it's pretty much his design. i just brought it in cad. the wrinky and lumpiness is part of his design, its supposed to feel good in the hand. there are metal inserts so that thin area of would shouldn't be too big of a deal -- we will see in the first real wood prototype
[02:50:57] <Wolf_> bet it looks better then the renders
[02:51:55] <zeeshan> thanks! :P
[02:52:15] <zeeshan> hopefully it looks good in stablized wood
[02:52:36] <Wolf_> computer can only interpret so much at the cad level
[02:53:51] <Wolf_> so sore, need a different bench for my mill
[02:54:00] <zeeshan> hehe
[02:54:02] <zeeshan> build one!
[02:54:15] <Wolf_> got one sitting @ my moms house
[02:54:40] <Wolf_> just need to re-build the front half of my house first lol
[02:59:05] <Wolf_> really need to get that stuff done, turning the front upstairs in to my office/lab, 15’x25’ room (use to be 2 bedrooms). Should have enough space for 3d printer(s) the X1 and one of the small lathes (7x10 or Taig) and a electronics bench
[02:59:34] <Wolf_> and my computer desk…
[03:08:20] <archivist> I fully understand using a house as a workshop :)
[03:10:40] <Wolf_> for small stuff, RC hobby junk, rapid prototyping should work good, all the bigger stuff I do in the garage out back
[03:11:50] <archivist> I have some in the garage, some in a rear bedroom, and a bit in the kitchen, electronics is in the lounge, computer is dining room
[03:13:04] <Wolf_> right now my 2 machines are in my kitchen in the house, but there isn’t much else in there but tools and a mess, house is a total rehab job I’m living out of a large camper/caravan out back of the house lol
[03:14:49] <archivist> need any windows, my part time job
[03:15:09] <Wolf_> lol, have a stack of them already
[03:15:34] <archivist> I got to deliver two mis measures today
[03:16:26] <archivist> must build my leanto(conservatory) workshop
[03:16:31] <Wolf_> hmm, I overlooked one thing on this build, how to mount the x/y motors lol
[03:17:06] <pink_vampire> the bandsaw project done!
[03:17:12] <archivist> I make an adapter tube or if lazy, two plates and posts
[03:18:12] <Wolf_> I did have a brainstorm while making chips tonight, the mount bolts are the same thread as my hold downs :D
[03:18:27] <archivist> tube has to have a hole though to get at the coupling screws
[03:18:36] <Wolf_> intant temp mounting, then make the machine make better ones
[03:18:55] <Wolf_> instant even
[03:19:06] <archivist> temp usually lasts the first year or more
[03:19:16] <Wolf_> lol
[03:22:44] <Wolf_> still trying to figure out how i’m going to set up the lead screw blocks on the lathe
[03:23:13] <archivist> 4 jaw
[03:24:13] <Wolf_> indicate off the bore… I think I can figure it out lol
[03:24:26] <archivist> measure centre height, place reference face above/below by required distance
[03:24:51] <Wolf_> eh
[03:25:21] <Wolf_> maybe I should be reading the southbend book that the guy gave me with the lathe lol
[03:26:06] <archivist> you have southbend.../me steals it
[03:26:25] <Wolf_> no, just the How to run a lathe book by southbend
[03:27:29] <archivist> I have their How to run a metal working shaper
[03:29:47] <archivist> but never managed to get a cheap shaper to go with it
[03:31:01] <Wolf_> I don’t think anything in the lead screw block is super critical tolerance, right?
[03:32:10] <Wolf_> or I might need to pull the lathe apart before I do anything
[03:32:11] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: why lead screw?
[03:32:24] <Wolf_> cause thats whats on it right now
[03:32:28] <archivist> you dont want it bending the leadscrew if the hole is not in the right place
[03:32:44] <Wolf_> well, I’m modding the stock block
[03:32:59] <Wolf_> seeing replacement part is a whole $9
[03:33:48] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: you need to make bronze lead nut with slot and place for set screw for adjustment
[03:34:20] <Wolf_> no I dont
[03:35:30] <pink_vampire> do you have a lead nut?
[03:36:10] <Wolf_> yeah, its in the machine right now…
[03:36:48] <pink_vampire> and you have any adjustment scew on it?
[03:37:06] <Wolf_> if I do the extended x/y stuff then I’ll convert to ball screw on those
[03:37:43] <Wolf_> yeah, it has the backlash adjustment on them
[03:38:48] <Wolf_> I’m tempted to try making a lead nut from a chunk of acetal
[03:38:56] <pink_vampire> be aware that lead screw require much more force than ball screw specialty if you tight the lead nut
[03:39:31] <Wolf_> I have enough torque to probably twist the ends off the lead screws lol
[03:40:26] <pink_vampire> but with stepper as long as the speed go up, the torque go down.
[03:40:56] <Wolf_> well, the x1 won’t handle speed, its not that rigid…
[03:42:34] <Wolf_> pink_vampire: http://i.imgur.com/6NvwkBz.jpg 4” vice on the table lol
[03:42:38] <pink_vampire> I split a nail :((((((
[03:43:53] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: WHY IT's so messy??
[03:44:16] <Wolf_> small workspace, need a better bench
[03:44:25] <pink_vampire> stop everything and start to organize
[03:44:51] <Wolf_> archivist: stock block, http://i.imgur.com/kEDpfS8.jpg and the mod idea http://i.imgur.com/BgfqPsX.png?1
[03:46:01] <Wolf_> the table its on is only 16” deep, there is no room to do much of anything on it
[03:51:38] <Wolf_> I should have added needle bearings to the block too.. doh, 12mm OD 8mm long
[03:58:45] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: why you need bearing on the block?
[04:16:46] <Wolf_> huh, what do you mean why?
[04:17:57] <Wolf_> its the lead screw block that moves the axis, cheap design on the X1 lacks a bearing so I’m adding thrust bearings http://i.imgur.com/SUkjjeu.png?1
[04:19:53] <pink_vampire> you type "I should have added needle bearings to the block too"
[04:20:07] <Wolf_> oh, for axial load
[04:21:02] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/BgfqPsX.png?1 in that pic where the call out for the 9.75mm is on the block, I could have added a needle bearing for the shaft to ride in
[04:23:34] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: I can't understand how and why you want to add a needle bearing to the lead nut.
[04:25:06] <pink_vampire> hooo you mean to the block that hold it on each end,,,
[04:25:31] <Wolf_> yeah
[04:26:33] <pink_vampire> this is very nice idea,, but I don't think that you gat any problem without it..
[04:27:38] <pink_vampire> I think the major problem is the junk dovetail and not enough rigidity
[04:28:16] <Wolf_> x/y isn’t that bad
[04:28:41] <Wolf_> its the column/head that flex bad
[04:29:02] <pink_vampire> same problem on my machine.
[04:29:37] <pink_vampire> but I'm pretty happy with it.
[04:29:52] <pink_vampire> (I wish it's was pink and not green)
[04:29:53] <Wolf_> I have a feeling that my next mill is going to be a 3000lbs hunk of old iron
[04:30:19] <pink_vampire> me too..
[04:30:56] <Wolf_> but this little one will do what I need, anything I make on it I’m not in a hurry to get
[04:32:13] <Wolf_> I was thinking about a g0704 but that has changed :D
[04:32:34] <pink_vampire> I think I will start a new job on the machine.
[04:42:09] <XXCoder> heys
[05:06:36] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: hi
[05:06:44] <XXCoder> hows your projects so far
[05:13:40] <pink_vampire> I've done with the band saw
[05:14:48] <XXCoder> nice
[05:24:57] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: whats up on lights project
[05:27:25] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: lights project??
[05:27:30] <pink_vampire> stack light?
[05:27:35] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:28:04] <pink_vampire> the hardware done, and it's maounted on the machine.
[05:28:19] <XXCoder> awesome :)
[05:29:01] <pink_vampire> now I need to make 30 inserts for the aluminum extrusions, and than start to mount stuff on thre panel.
[05:29:32] <pink_vampire> the band saw projuct come to help me tp cut the stock material for the inserts,
[05:32:12] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[05:32:24] <XXCoder> nice
[05:32:32] <XXCoder> have yet to get my bolts :(
[05:32:44] <XXCoder> still figuring how to mount the darned limit switches,.
[05:44:13] <Wolf_> … I need to do that too
[05:44:18] <Wolf_> when they get here
[05:44:26] <Wolf_> next month I bet
[05:45:42] <XXCoder> meh whats a month for immortals
[05:45:44] <XXCoder> heh
[05:45:47] <Wolf_> And I didn’t go simple (I think) I ordered inductive sensors
[05:46:43] <Wolf_> and http://www.ebay.com/itm/371241334301 + some halls sensors
[05:47:27] <Wolf_> I might get some matching current and volt meters as well
[05:48:10] <Wolf_> make a information overload panel for the micro mill
[05:49:36] <XXCoder> interesting
[05:50:40] <Wolf_> be prepared, the sensors are spendy…. http://www.ebay.com/itm/161668550828
[05:53:11] <XXCoder> expensive.
[05:54:01] <archivist_herron> just take a computer fan apart
[05:54:34] <Wolf_> like the inductive proximity switches I got, $2.50, $2.70, $12...
[05:55:43] <XXCoder> archivist_herron: dead ones or it'd be more expensive that way
[05:56:04] <archivist_herron> depends how many per fan :)
[05:59:02] <Wolf_> here is the volt meter http://www.ebay.com/itm/321568962892 not sure what amp meter I need yet, they come in 9.99A, 50A and 99.9A
[05:59:57] <pink_vampire> I'm going to make some chicken tenders
[06:00:29] <Wolf_> what feed speed for chicken?
[06:06:21] <MrSunshine> hmm, how does "V" carving with ballnose look ?
[06:06:35] <MrSunshine> cant find any pictures of it anywhere .. or im searching wrong :P
[06:09:56] <pink_vampire> someone can help me with hsm express?
[06:10:24] <pink_vampire> the end mill go the same speed in rapid and cutting
[06:11:39] <pink_vampire> what is "ramp feedrate"
[06:34:15] <pink_vampire> to see the machine move in rapid move!!
[06:34:19] <pink_vampire> soo fun!
[06:36:46] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: now i see that you go with the old ham and not with the spider coupling
[06:37:10] <Wolf_> yeah, less backlash, plus cost
[06:37:22] <Wolf_> zero backlash spiders are $$$
[06:38:17] <pink_vampire> but old ham has moving part - the spider it tight fit.
[06:38:22] <pink_vampire> is*
[06:47:01] <Wolf_> seems fine to me, specs say zero backlash, the disk is acetal
[06:49:05] <Wolf_> I need sleep… laters
[07:19:00] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: good night :)
[07:32:56] <Simonious> users of fusion 360 - how is this program for CAM?
[07:40:56] <pink_vampire> Simonious: I'm using HSM express - work grate.
[07:41:02] * skunkworks has the same question..
[07:43:14] <pink_vampire> I think F360 is free for hobby,
[07:43:36] <Simonious> pink_vampire: HSM express can't handle 3D stuffs, can it?
[07:44:00] <Simonious> I was using CAMBAM and I like how it works, but it gets weak for 3D things in my limited experience.
[07:44:12] <pink_vampire> no. just 2.5D and taping
[07:44:31] <Simonious> I've started fooling around with F360 a bit and it *seems* like it's going to do 3D CAM nicely once I get over the learning curve.
[07:44:55] <pink_vampire> Simonious: what do you mean "gets weak"?
[07:45:25] <Simonious> Slow and the interface struggles, also options are limited.
[07:45:54] <Simonious> however, I'm willing to accept that the problem may lie with me. My experience is quite limited so far.
[07:46:12] <pink_vampire> I think there is free trial for hsm work
[07:46:28] <Simonious> perhaps, but F360 is just free, so..
[07:49:24] <pink_vampire> I try to work with it, but I cant understand how to install it.
[07:49:27] <Simonious> so.. I plan to explore it and I'm hoping it'll do 3D cam nicely.
[07:50:00] <pink_vampire> Simonious: what to you want to make in 3d?
[07:50:41] <Simonious> At this moment a name plaque on a curved surface, down the line I may cut some 3D printer parts, which I've previously printed.
[07:50:56] <Simonious> May build up another CNC mill too
[07:51:21] <Simonious> Interested in doing some asymmetric circular parts as well
[07:51:25] <pink_vampire> I think you can do it with hsm express.
[07:51:49] <pink_vampire> to trace a line in 3d space.
[07:52:02] <Simonious> Hmm, when I looked into HSM, it looked like I would need HSMWorks
[07:52:29] <Simonious> HSM Express appears to only support 2.5D per their info
[07:52:55] <pink_vampire> use the trace option
[07:53:03] <pink_vampire> ans select single line
[07:53:06] <pink_vampire> and*
[07:53:23] <Simonious> You seem very against F360, why? Note: I'm not an autocad fan either..
[07:54:11] <pink_vampire> Simonious: I'm not against but I try to install it without any succses.
[07:54:24] <pink_vampire> tried*
[07:55:31] * Simonious shrugs.
[07:55:53] <Simonious> No problem with that here, it appears more capable and more free than the other options, so I'm exploring it.
[08:02:35] <archivist> some are cheating and using x or y to drive a rotary for curved engraving
[08:07:59] <Simonious> archivist: and that isn't wrong, but it isn't going to work with most software for an asymetrical design unless you can unroll a round model to flat in your CAD..
[08:08:46] <Jymmm> There is software to do that btw
[08:09:21] <Simonious> heh, well I guess I'm interested to see it.. I assume it corrects for the relative tool size as it approaches the axis of rotation?
[08:09:51] <archivist> it is the curved surface that matters not the asymetry of the design
[08:10:20] <archivist> used normally for work on cylinders
[08:10:28] <Simonious> In my head if someone is writing CAM it doesn't seem like it would be impossibly difficult to define an axis of rotation and define Z as shortest distance from that axis and generate accordingly, but then.. I'm not the one writing it.
[08:11:35] <Simonious> archivist: Sure, but that's symmetrical - lets say I want to make a teapot or something even less symetrical
[08:12:33] <archivist> for that I expect you to use a 5 axis machine
[08:13:21] <archivist> and have fun engraving the spout
[08:13:50] <archivist> spindle to body clearance
[08:13:59] <Simonious> well.. 5 axis CAM is beyond my means, but I should be able to get the outline w XZ and a rotary Y IMO
[08:14:42] <archivist> with a teapot you need 5 axis else the tool is at the wrong angle to the surface
[08:15:38] <archivist> use a graver and do it by hand, more authentic :)
[08:19:04] <archivist> I should go on a course for that one day
[08:24:44] <Simonious> Yes, wrong angle to the surface, true.. But with careful tool selection one ought to be able to get a fair out line of the teapot w/ just 3 axes, wouldn't you agree?
[08:27:14] <archivist> depends on the pot and extent of engraving, I prefer to work on flat stuff
[08:27:59] <archivist> so far I have only done hand engraving
[08:29:55] <pink_vampire> the machine run for about 2 hours.
[08:30:01] <pink_vampire> sooo sloooow
[08:30:08] <pink_vampire> 60mm/M
[08:30:14] <pink_vampire> mild steel
[08:38:27] <pink_vampire> pass 5 from 7
[08:52:34] <ganzuul> Duuuuuuuude!
[08:53:03] <ganzuul> Remember that Babylon 5 episode fromt he perspective of two maintenance workers?
[08:53:27] <ganzuul> Where they go around and point a device at stuff, and they don't know what it does?
[08:53:35] <ganzuul> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasonic_impact_treatment
[08:53:54] <ganzuul> Apparently, invented in Russia in the 70s
[09:03:26] <malcom2073> That's awesome
[09:13:18] <pink_vampire> pass 6 from 7!!
[09:17:11] <pink_vampire> ganzuul: I think It's like needle gun?
[09:17:20] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW7yeVQDKvU
[09:20:35] <ganzuul> oooh
[09:21:17] <ganzuul> Also!
[09:21:18] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW7yeVQDKvU
[09:21:28] <ganzuul> derp
[09:21:33] <ganzuul> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasonic/sonic_driller/corer
[09:21:39] <ganzuul> Sonic screwdriver
[09:28:21] <malcom2073> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Mwk6rbzYs
[09:28:28] <malcom2073> That's odd
[09:28:33] <malcom2073> One axis is the peice actually coming out of the machine
[09:30:48] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: how the stock feeder works?
[09:31:15] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: It's using it as an actual axis though, I thought stock feeders just fed to a predetermined length, while not cutting
[09:33:38] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: something like double chuck?
[09:34:38] <malcom2073> Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmNTB7bFRt8
[09:34:42] <ganzuul> Guessing the camera is mounted on the saddle, and the aperture the material is coming through is just there for stability, so the unseen end is attached in a conventional chuck.
[09:35:04] <malcom2073> ganzuul: Ohhh, yeah that's possible
[09:35:49] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u63pntcr3gI
[09:36:04] <anomynous> swiss machine?
[09:38:47] <pink_vampire> but how the bar feed work?
[09:39:42] <anomynous> apparently well ;D
[09:40:09] <ssi> morn
[09:41:51] <ganzuul> I'd build a bar feed one of two ways; one where the chuck jaws are actuated by motors and there is a par of wheels like that of the Mythbusters A-team 2x4 launcher, or like I described previously, where the bar is fastened to a conventional chuck and the saddle moves on a long guideway with supports
[09:42:30] <malcom2073> I like the saddle method, basicalyl have the sadle have a steadyrest that acts as the moving spindle
[09:42:31] <malcom2073> erm
[09:42:33] <malcom2073> the moving chuckl
[09:43:02] <ganzuul> Both ways take up a lot of space.
[09:43:04] <ssi> I've put thought into arrangements like that, because I want to build a tube profiler at some point
[09:43:13] <ssi> and it needs a movable back spindle to really work well
[09:43:17] <ganzuul> I'd say the machine in the saddle method is more versatile.
[09:45:49] <ganzuul> ssi: You're probably right about where the difficult bit is...!
[09:47:47] <ganzuul> Also, doesn't seem like bar stock is particularly straight.
[09:48:26] <ganzuul> So when you get a few hundred kilos of stuff rotating at typical turning speeds, things might get scary
[09:49:16] <ganzuul> Would need a CNC bar straightener. Like a NC and blowtortch gizmo.
[09:49:58] <ganzuul> 'cause apparently flame straightening is the premiere way of straightening bar stock.
[09:50:12] <ganzuul> So says the internets, anyway.
[09:50:27] <anomynous> at work a guy did test an axle with used spindle speeds but due to things he made a whip out of it and borked the lathe. Some electrics guard was sent flying to a wall ;D
[09:50:51] <ganzuul> o.O
[09:51:50] <_methods> ssi you have server colo'd in atl?
[09:52:15] <ssi> yea
[09:52:19] <anomynous> he made a support inside the tube behind the spindle, but it got to move while machining
[09:52:21] <_methods> where is yours at?
[09:52:26] <_methods> and are you happy with them?
[09:52:31] <ssi> 56 marietta, in the telx facility
[09:52:33] <ssi> and yeah
[09:52:47] <_methods> company i need to talk to?
[09:52:55] <ssi> ugh what is their name
[09:52:56] <ssi> one sec
[09:52:58] <_methods> and how much rack space are you getting?
[09:53:08] <ssi> just 2U
[09:53:51] <_methods> kk
[09:54:17] <_methods> how much is that /month $110?
[09:55:27] <ganzuul> anomynous: I was looking stuff up about that. Seems those supports normally get bolted to factory floor.
[09:56:39] <ssi> I'm paying about $165/mo, cause I have some extra crap
[09:56:51] <ssi> that gets me 2500GB/mo transfers, which is about equivalent to 7Mb 95%
[09:56:58] <ssi> and I have two netblocks, one of which is routable
[09:56:59] <anomynous> we dont have one ;) We do invidual pieces or just a few pieces an item, so its rare to have long bars going in from behind the spindle. This wasnt full length either. Just a stub with a plastic support inside the tube behind the spindle
[09:57:38] <_methods> 10gbe?
[09:58:14] <ssi> nah I think it's 1gbe locally
[09:58:21] <_methods> good enough for me
[09:58:36] <ssi> I'm not sure my machine even has gigabit now that you mention it
[09:59:32] <ganzuul> riight! Now I understand heat straightening! You heat the convex side so that when hot and soft material is plastically displaced, then when it cools it contracts but doesn't displace! \o/
[09:59:58] <_methods> i want to build a box with one of those grid gpu's and have a cloud 3d machine
[10:00:21] <_methods> be nice to have cad/cam anywhere i have internet connection
[10:00:58] <_methods> need to build the box first and do some initial testing on the home network i guess
[10:01:14] <ssi> lol
[10:01:33] <_methods> putting the cart before the horse
[10:04:13] <_methods> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/build-3d-streaming-applications-with-ec2s-new-g2-instance-type/
[10:04:16] <_methods> hmm
[10:04:19] <_methods> guess i can test on AWS
[10:04:26] <ssi> yeah aws will be cheaper in the short term
[10:09:29] <PetefromTn_> Oh man I am so pissed off right now ;)
[10:10:06] <_methods> ok i'll bit
[10:10:08] <_methods> bite
[10:10:09] <_methods> lol
[10:10:15] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[10:10:20] <_methods> what happened
[10:10:38] <PetefromTn_> I got this downpipe from the race shop guys they need me to weld to a flange
[10:11:02] <PetefromTn_> it is stainless steel to mild steel tube but they are not really sure of the tube material as they did not make it
[10:11:35] <PetefromTn_> I ordered the new flow regulator for the back purge setup and some other consumables, my new tig fingers on the 13th evening
[10:11:55] <PetefromTn_> at the same time I ordered the TEE fitting I need to install all of the stuff on my argon bottle
[10:12:07] <PetefromTn_> everything BUT the tee fitting arrived in a day or two
[10:12:18] <PetefromTn_> STILL waiting on the frackin' tee fitting
[10:12:25] <PetefromTn_> so right now I can't back purge anything
[10:12:49] <_methods> ouch
[10:12:51] <PetefromTn_> I told the guy what was going on and they said to maybe try doing it without the back purge
[10:13:06] <PetefromTn_> last night I tried a couple short welds around the tube
[10:13:20] <PetefromTn_> it looks okay on the outside but looks like HOLY HELL on the inside
[10:13:23] <PetefromTn_> so I stopped
[10:13:51] <PetefromTn_> I have contacted those assholes that I bought the Tee fitting from and all they said is it shipped
[10:14:03] <PetefromTn_> USPS tracking says it never left their facility
[10:14:14] <PetefromTn_> so I have NO frackin' idea where the thing is
[10:14:31] <PetefromTn_> just got another text from the guys wanting to know how it's going with the downpipe
[10:14:35] <PetefromTn_> I
[10:14:38] <PetefromTn_> DONT
[10:14:40] <PetefromTn_> KNOW
[10:14:42] <PetefromTn_> !!!
[10:15:08] <PetefromTn_> I called around local and nobody seems to have one
[10:15:25] <PetefromTn_> and even if they did the price is 3x what I paid for the one I ordered plus tax
[10:15:31] <ganzuul> What about someone else's argon bottle?
[10:15:36] <PetefromTn_> they all said they could have one by friday
[10:15:55] <PetefromTn_> I don't know anyone else that has one
[10:16:18] <PetefromTn_> my supplier charges me $225 for 5 years to RENT one plus $95 to fill it
[10:16:27] <PetefromTn_> so I don't see them being any help
[10:16:54] <t12> i need to put a purge setup on my bottle
[10:16:57] <PetefromTn_> the only good thing is I told the guys I did not have the tee yet and they are aware of the situation
[10:17:17] <PetefromTn_> but they need to get this damn car back together
[10:17:28] <t12> are you just putting a tee after the regulator and another flow meter/regualtor?
[10:17:29] <PetefromTn_> I don't know what to tell em right now
[10:17:55] <PetefromTn_> just praying that when the mail man rolls thru here in an hour or so he has the damn package with him..
[10:17:55] <ganzuul> Didn't think argon welding was so specialized...
[10:18:04] <PetefromTn_> it's not
[10:18:13] <PetefromTn_> the tee goes on the tank
[10:18:28] <PetefromTn_> the flow regs both go on the female ends of the tee
[10:18:45] <t12> so tee on the high pressure side?
[10:19:07] <PetefromTn_> if I had the back purge setup here this would be a non issue
[10:19:27] <PetefromTn_> yeah as far as I understand it that is how it goes.
[10:19:39] <PetefromTn_> it is the same type of fitting that goes on the bottle
[10:21:10] <t12> hm
[10:21:11] <ssi> why don't you just make one
[10:21:20] <ganzuul> Whelp, if you want my completely unqualified advice
[10:21:51] <ganzuul> Think about wheter you might lose the customer is it's not done quick, and then maybe break into a competitor's weld shop.
[10:21:55] <PetefromTn_> just venting i guess
[10:21:58] <ssi> lol
[10:22:11] <ssi> you're venting when you should be back purging!
[10:22:21] <ganzuul> There's ya problem!
[10:22:23] <PetefromTn_> I know right
[10:22:27] <PetefromTn_> WTF
[10:30:11] <ganzuul> hey hey hey
[10:30:28] <ganzuul> What about straightening spiraling square tubing?
[10:30:46] <SpeedEvil> how spirally?
[10:31:16] <SpeedEvil> Are we talking 10 degrees in 5m, or does it look like a spring.
[10:33:09] <ganzuul> Wee little. So you couldn't use it for rails.
[10:33:55] <ganzuul> I've been thinking about how to do machine design on the cheap.
[10:33:56] <PetefromTn_> just got off the phone with the guys and they understand the situation. I told them I was not comfortable welding it without the proper setup. they said if the fitting does not come today to bring it back to them and they will find someone else to weld this for them. THIS BITES!!
[10:34:38] <ganzuul> Find the other guy first. Rent some hours in their shop?
[10:35:38] <PetefromTn_> the problem is there are several shops local that do this stuff... I don't think they are mad about it and I think they STILL want me to do their work in the future from what he said but this does not look good if you know what I mean...
[10:36:43] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: well.
[10:36:56] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: the obvious way is to simply ignore it and bolt it flat to something
[10:37:32] <ganzuul> I was thinking the tubing would be the flat thing that other stuff gets bolted to.
[10:37:34] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: other than that - if it's an even spiral - grab each end with plugs in the end and a big vice on one, and tweak it till it is straight
[10:37:58] <ganzuul> hmm
[10:39:27] <SpeedEvil> you can't do this much - or it will collaps
[10:39:27] <SpeedEvil> e
[10:39:41] <SpeedEvil> but - for a few degrees, you can just treat it as if it was a solid bar
[10:40:08] <ganzuul> SpeedEvil: I'd really want a lightweight alternative to that. Flame straightening round bar you can do with a pair of rollers, a dial gauge, and propane tortch
[10:41:13] <ganzuul> Mind you I'm not actively building something. Just looking for manufacturing techniques.
[10:41:15] <SpeedEvil> In principle you can flame-twist
[10:41:32] <SpeedEvil> In practice, you're trying to bend it assymetrically around the diagonals
[10:41:36] <ganzuul> Some call it lean manufacturing. I call it ghetto rigging.
[10:41:58] <SpeedEvil> A vice, a wrench and a cheater bar - doesn't get more lightweright
[10:42:04] <Jymmm> ghetto phabulous FTW!!!
[10:42:34] <Jymmm> ganzuul: (You should see my GhettoNAS =)
[10:42:35] <ganzuul> Jymmm: That's a much better term
[10:42:41] <ganzuul> lol
[10:43:38] <Jymmm> ganzuul: 8TB ZFS booting from a uSD card for over 7 years, running a 1U PS and a server mobo
[10:44:03] <Jymmm> ...in a mid tower case, cause 1U fans are louder than phuk!
[10:44:04] <ganzuul> Nice!
[10:44:11] <ganzuul> yeah
[10:46:18] <Jymmm> It may not look pretty, but my ghetto shit runs forever =)
[10:47:01] <Jymmm> and no duct tape was harmed in the making there of.
[10:50:06] <ganzuul> SpeedEvil: I remember someone recommending you fill the tube with sand before you start twisting it...
[10:50:19] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[10:50:21] <zeeshan> hi
[10:50:29] <PetefromTn_> hey man
[10:50:38] <zeeshan> how thick is the mild steel flange
[10:50:41] <zeeshan> and tube?
[10:50:45] <Jymmm> ganzuul: 1/2 steel tubing?
[10:51:00] <Jymmm> or wrought iron
[10:51:04] <PetefromTn_> its a stainless flange....apparently a mild steel tube
[10:51:36] <PetefromTn_> at least they don't really know what sort of tube it is.... it had a coating on it I had to sand away around the heat affected zone
[10:51:54] <Jymmm> oh nm, one shop made a twister out of transmission =)
[10:52:39] <zeeshan> got a pic?
[10:52:40] <PetefromTn_> there are a couple spots on the tube where the coating either rubbed or chipped off along its length that show some surface rust so that is why they think it is not stainless Id have to agree
[10:52:45] <zeeshan> of tube
[10:52:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah I can get one hang on
[10:53:09] <zeeshan> also of pic of weld
[10:53:13] <zeeshan> outside and inside plz
[10:53:18] <zeeshan> maybe we can do this in a bind
[10:53:19] <PetefromTn_> either way it really fuzzes up on the inside when I tried to weld it
[10:53:20] <zeeshan> with no purge
[10:53:38] <PetefromTn_> I don't want to even try man
[10:53:55] <PetefromTn_> if I can't do it right I would rather pass on the thing than fuck it up
[10:53:55] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: that's not relevant for small bends
[10:54:08] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, I assume you know that if you use sanding or grinding disks on steel then stainless the stainless will rust
[10:54:28] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: the tube will buckle perhaps once you get to one turn per 50 diameters
[10:54:34] <PetefromTn_> waiting to see if the damn mail man has the fitting
[10:54:40] <ganzuul> :o
[10:54:40] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: you're way, way over that.
[10:54:42] <ganzuul> hmm
[10:54:55] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i almost never use backpurge
[10:54:56] <zeeshan> for flanges
[10:54:57] <Jymmm> use a bending spring thingy?
[10:54:57] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop the rust spots are not my doing they are from being under the car for awhile
[10:54:58] <zeeshan> i dont have this fuzz
[10:55:00] <zeeshan> thats why im curious
[10:55:53] <PetefromTn_> how the hell do you weld it without back purge from stainless to steel?
[10:56:49] <ganzuul> Braze?
[10:57:27] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: underwater
[10:57:48] * SpeedEvil wishes argon concentrators from the air were cheap
[10:58:04] <SpeedEvil> On a random point - what does shielding with nitrogen actually do
[10:58:33] <SpeedEvil> does it look like it works, or do you get coloration like with air, but just nitrides?
[10:59:15] <ganzuul> There is also a lot of moisture in air...
[11:00:43] <SpeedEvil> yes - I was assuming you use a complete shield of nitrogen, nothing else
[11:00:48] <t12> inhibits oxidation
[11:01:03] <t12> or do you mean nitrogen vs some other gas
[11:01:14] <SpeedEvil> Argon is typically used.
[11:01:18] <SpeedEvil> Nitrogen is way cheaper.
[11:01:21] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ChxeYVe.jpg
[11:01:25] <t12> nitrogen is a little reactive
[11:01:26] <SpeedEvil> I was assuming it's not due to big argon
[11:01:27] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/rfKLnxh.jpg
[11:01:30] <SpeedEvil> I know
[11:01:38] <zeeshan> sorry about the carbon inside, it was a while ago
[11:01:47] <zeeshan> thats 0.0625 stainless tuber and 3/8 mild steel flange
[11:01:58] <zeeshan> no backpurge
[11:02:23] <zeeshan> weld specs: 100A
[11:02:31] <zeeshan> regular nozzle
[11:02:38] <ganzuul> I'ma need one of these: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--yh6cWNTg--/18s4ixgiectejjpg.jpg
[11:03:10] <zeeshan> surface prep -> none (you dont need to vgroove anything)
[11:03:21] <zeeshan> just have a clean surface that you cleaned with acetone
[11:03:59] <t12> maybe if theres no gap and you're not actually having arc on the inside
[11:04:01] <t12> it works out better?
[11:04:11] <zeeshan> you want your torch focused on the flange more than the tube so you should be at a 15 degree angle from the tube
[11:04:25] <zeeshan> if you have a 45 degree angle between the two
[11:04:29] <zeeshan> you'll blow through the tube
[11:04:46] <zeeshan> and you want your tungsten at most .1875" away
[11:04:49] <zeeshan> to .125
[11:04:57] <zeeshan> so you're heating up a wider area
[11:05:13] <zeeshan> t12: nahh not when youre butt welding
[11:05:18] <zeeshan> you get a really raised up weld if you do that
[11:05:28] <zeeshan> and you gotta put more heat into the material to melt it
[11:09:06] <ssi> zeeshan: I need to import you for a week and you can help me tighten up my welding :P
[11:09:17] <ssi> and fix my damn machines
[11:09:20] <zeeshan> im noob
[11:09:26] <zeeshan> you need toxic fab
[11:09:27] <zeeshan> !
[11:09:31] <ssi> I need wat
[11:09:51] <skunkworks> zeeshan: did you run your spindle with analog? (saw the video)
[11:09:58] <zeeshan> yes skunkworks!!!!!!
[11:10:03] <zeeshan> it works so much better!!!
[11:10:03] <skunkworks> work a lot better?
[11:10:07] <skunkworks> ah - great!
[11:10:09] <zeeshan> so much more responsive
[11:10:17] <skunkworks> realtime rules...
[11:10:20] <zeeshan> yessir
[11:10:28] <zeeshan> i read a lot about modbus
[11:10:39] <zeeshan> even if i spent time on trying to make a realtime component for it
[11:10:52] <zeeshan> the vfd will probably not respond fast enough because the protocol isn't realtime
[11:11:00] <zeeshan> so i think analog is the way to go
[11:11:19] <ssi> k store bbiab
[11:11:48] <zeeshan> im still using modbus for non critical things like coolant pump vfd and hydraulics vfd
[11:12:02] <skunkworks> sure - great for that.
[11:13:17] <ganzuul> USB has realtime provisions in the protocol.
[11:13:27] <ganzuul> Seldom gets used though.
[11:13:33] <anomynous> http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=73a8340 its a good thing the bar can be cut in half and both ends used, so no material is lost in the process.
[11:13:33] <pcw_home> Ha Ha Ha
[11:14:12] <pcw_home> USB is terrible for anything that needs reliable realtime transport
[11:14:30] <ganzuul> On Windows, yes.
[11:14:31] <anomynous> why
[11:14:54] <_methods> wow not good to have that much bar hanging out the end
[11:15:18] <pcw_home> on anything its shite from the ground up
[11:15:26] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan http://i.imgur.com/DOER902.jpg
[11:15:40] <zeeshan> oh
[11:15:43] <zeeshan> thats ceramic coating pete
[11:15:45] <zeeshan> on the tube
[11:15:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what I thought
[11:16:02] <zeeshan> no wonder youre having a hard time
[11:16:03] <ganzuul> pcw_home: But you really need a microcontroller to get more rt than what is possible with the USB protocol.
[11:16:05] <zeeshan> that shit is nasty
[11:16:16] <zeeshan> even a spec of it being there
[11:16:24] <zeeshan> will cause black crap in your weld puddle
[11:16:33] <PetefromTn_> I sanded/scotchbrited the HAA
[11:16:51] <PetefromTn_> I did not go crazy on the inside tho
[11:16:54] <zeeshan> did you acetone after?
[11:17:02] <zeeshan> youre gonna have to clean the carbon on the inside too if you can
[11:17:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah I ALWAYS wipe with acetone before I weld
[11:17:07] <zeeshan> cause if you penetrate too much
[11:17:15] <zeeshan> the carbon also owns the weld puddle
[11:17:28] <zeeshan> i always tell people this:
[11:17:30] <PetefromTn_> okay so clean the shit out of the inside
[11:17:30] <pcw_home> The problems with USB for real time are myriad, just not worth the effort
[11:17:36] <ganzuul> pcw_home: The realtime mode of USB is BTW really poorly documented, so you don't see a lot of good implementations.
[11:17:37] <PetefromTn_> clean and bright
[11:17:37] <zeeshan> "if it used metal -- 50/50 change it'll look like butthole"
[11:17:45] <zeeshan> "but i can grind it clean and make it shiny!"
[11:17:53] <zeeshan> yes
[11:18:01] <zeeshan> the tube goes inside that v-band flange right?
[11:18:04] <ganzuul> pcw_home: On that point you are correct.
[11:18:07] <PetefromTn_> no its a butt weld
[11:18:18] <zeeshan> ah
[11:18:28] <PetefromTn_> it is NOT an ideal situation whatsoever
[11:18:29] <zeeshan> i was imagining a fillet weld all this time :(
[11:18:31] <ganzuul> pcw_home: But it could be solved in the kernel though...
[11:18:43] <PetefromTn_> if it was a fillet weld I would probably be done with it by now ;)
[11:18:49] <SpeedEvil> Butt welds should always look like butt.
[11:18:54] <zeeshan> lol
[11:19:11] <zeeshan> honestly i wouldnt put more than 70 amps into it
[11:19:23] <PetefromTn_> I have been trying to sand and scotchbrite the inside to help it
[11:19:27] <zeeshan> and i'd have 90% of the arc focused over the flange
[11:19:29] <zeeshan> cause it's thicker
[11:19:34] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am not using much
[11:19:41] <skunkworks> anomynous, whip it good!
[11:19:42] <PetefromTn_> yup
[11:19:43] <zeeshan> just weld it and polish it
[11:19:43] <zeeshan> lol
[11:19:50] <pcw_home> If you use a host with a normal system USB will be shared with non RT devices which will hang the hardware when you renumerate
[11:19:54] <zeeshan> and blame the carbon inside
[11:19:59] <zeeshan> be like it's impossible to clean it :-)
[11:20:01] <pcw_home> just shite for RT
[11:20:04] <PetefromTn_> I think I REALLY need the back purge for this just to help clean the other side
[11:20:14] <zeeshan> you can grind the inside
[11:20:15] <zeeshan> after
[11:20:25] <ganzuul> pcw_home: You can appropriate the entire USB chip for your use.
[11:20:26] <zeeshan> itll take a few min with die grinder
[11:20:28] <PetefromTn_> it's not the appearance I am worried about
[11:20:31] <zeeshan> no one will care :P
[11:20:54] <PetefromTn_> if the weld is all contaminated it will probably fail due to the thin section of this tube
[11:20:59] <zeeshan> nahh
[11:21:12] <PetefromTn_> they actually told me to weld it without back purge because they did not want to wait
[11:21:25] <zeeshan> yea they prolly wanna send it out for ceramic coating again
[11:21:26] <PetefromTn_> but I don't like doing shit work here
[11:21:34] <PetefromTn_> nope apparently not
[11:21:42] <zeeshan> its not shit work pete
[11:21:43] <PetefromTn_> so I think it is mild steel tube
[11:21:55] <PetefromTn_> because they had it coated
[11:21:59] <zeeshan> you're gonmna get 10% more strength with back purge
[11:22:03] <zeeshan> its not worth the hassle and wait
[11:22:15] <ganzuul> pcw_home: However this just moves the bottleneck to DMA, so you need to real-time that too. I stopped researching when I got that far.
[11:22:16] <PetefromTn_> but it WILL help with contamination
[11:22:27] <zeeshan> youre getting contamination cause of carbon
[11:22:30] <zeeshan> not cause of back purging
[11:22:34] <zeeshan> yuou'd get it w/ back purging too
[11:22:59] <PetefromTn_> I am going to sand the interior of the tube some more and try a little weld again and see if that helps.
[11:23:10] <zeeshan> yes try
[11:23:18] <PetefromTn_> but I kinda doubt it
[11:23:18] <zeeshan> you got flappy round disc things
[11:23:20] <zeeshan> for your grinder?
[11:23:30] <zeeshan> just trust me pete :-(
[11:23:32] <PetefromTn_> PRAYING the damn mail man has a package for me today
[11:23:45] <zeeshan> clean a small area inside
[11:23:46] <PetefromTn_> I have all sorts of sanding and grinding bits here
[11:23:50] <zeeshan> and do like a 0.5 " long weld
[11:23:58] <zeeshan> 60-70A
[11:24:04] <zeeshan> youll see a difference right away
[11:24:36] <PetefromTn_> I DID clean the inside and sanded it a bit before I tried the first time but I did not go crazy with it... I will now go nutz cleaning the inside
[11:24:46] <zeeshan> can have no black
[11:24:49] <PetefromTn_> and then try a bit
[11:25:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I have welded used exhaust tubing before
[11:25:10] <PetefromTn_> it is a bitch
[11:25:23] <PetefromTn_> thanks for the suggestions man.
[11:25:34] <zeeshan> np!
[11:26:58] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMTZ1ccrIJc
[11:27:15] <pink_vampire> DR Dan comment
[11:28:56] <ganzuul> pink_vampire: Use metric
[11:29:36] <ganzuul> Pipe fittings are imperial here...
[11:36:39] <pink_vampire> I like metric also, but use imperial the most..
[11:43:35] <ganzuul> I think you can flame straighten a spiraling square tube... If you always heat two spots in a diagonal instead of just one
[11:43:48] <ganzuul> ...4 spots
[11:44:10] <ganzuul> On each side, so you don't bend it.
[11:45:01] <ganzuul> Some of the geometry still vexes me though.
[11:46:08] <ganzuul> eg. should you heat the corners, or the flats?
[11:47:49] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4J06RLdiPs
[12:13:14] <zeeshan> what is a typical engraving depth
[12:13:22] <zeeshan> for ss
[12:13:32] <zeeshan> im looking at a past thing i did
[12:13:34] <archivist> sufficient
[12:13:35] <zeeshan> i have 0.015
[12:13:38] <zeeshan> seems deep
[12:14:07] <archivist> I bet most of that was clearance
[12:14:16] <zeeshan> nahh
[12:14:21] <zeeshan> its a mastercam file
[12:16:16] <archivist> still needed clearance regardless of how the file was made
[12:17:18] <zeeshan> what do you mean
[12:17:29] <zeeshan> im not looking at the g-code
[12:17:35] <zeeshan> im looking at the mastercam file
[12:17:42] <zeeshan> depth is set to 0.015
[12:18:00] <zeeshan> feed plane is 0.2
[12:18:10] <archivist> and clearamce when not engraving is?
[12:18:23] <jdh> .2
[12:19:38] <zeeshan> archivist: 0.2 is the clearance
[12:19:48] <zeeshan> 0 is where the engraving tip would just make contact
[12:19:52] <zeeshan> -0.015 is depth
[12:19:59] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/YiM1851.jpg
[12:20:02] <zeeshan> it looks fine to me
[12:20:05] <zeeshan> but hopefully i dont snap the tip
[12:20:11] <zeeshan> frigging stainless.
[12:20:29] <jdh> v bit?
[12:20:34] <zeeshan> yessir
[12:20:43] <zeeshan> 0.3mm rad , 25 degree angle
[12:21:26] <archivist> there is a hole in the flower stems!
[12:21:39] <zeeshan> haha
[12:21:41] <zeeshan> hahahahhahaa
[12:22:16] <zeeshan> i got to make a 100 of these
[12:22:31] <zeeshan> wanna order enough engraving bits
[12:22:34] <archivist> should be shot for that artistic phail
[12:22:43] <zeeshan> there is a dsisplay there archivist
[12:22:45] <zeeshan> thats why the cutout |:D
[12:22:53] <jdh> that's a lot of wax
[12:23:07] <zeeshan> im gonna make a fixture of 20 of them
[12:23:23] <zeeshan> do 20 in 1 setup
[12:24:13] <archivist> I am used to looking at leaded windows and clock engraving hence I noticed that
[12:24:30] <zeeshan> you dont like the engraving? :(
[12:25:02] <archivist> top right flower/leaf is wrong angle to stem
[12:25:25] <zeeshan> it is an odd leaf
[12:25:28] <zeeshan> he had a bad day
[12:25:46] <zeeshan> i just design to what he wants!
[12:25:51] <zeeshan> if this was my thing
[12:26:01] <archivist> lower right stem has no leaf
[12:26:03] <zeeshan> i wouldnt even have a border
[12:26:06] <zeeshan> i'd have a chamfer on the outside
[12:26:18] <zeeshan> and none of the vines cutting through the cut out
[12:26:24] <zeeshan> yes
[12:26:26] <zeeshan> that bothers me!
[12:26:29] <zeeshan> i originally had one there
[12:27:40] <archivist> they sent me to trace this the other day http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=9544&subject=28375
[12:29:50] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1egmm_4Y3Rk
[12:29:56] <spline> http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/20/with-100m-in-funding-carbon3d-will-make-3d-manufacturing-a-reality/
[12:32:23] <PetefromTn_> that's funny I thought 3d manufacturing was already a reality....hehe
[12:33:05] <zeeshan> wow
[12:33:09] <zeeshan> thats a serious investment
[12:33:10] <zeeshan> for that thing
[12:33:41] <zeeshan> its at 7x speed in that video
[12:33:43] <zeeshan> and its slow as shit
[12:33:52] <zeeshan> i dont know how they're claiming 100x faster than regular 3d printing
[12:33:53] <zeeshan> lol
[12:34:39] <archivist> compared to a glue gun
[12:36:37] <archivist> and "photochemical process" is not new
[12:42:02] <zeeshan> i need some opinion
[12:42:07] <zeeshan> to see if this guy is being picky
[12:42:11] <zeeshan> or im being not understanding
[12:45:49] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/iJTKhrz.png
[12:46:06] <zeeshan> is the cylinder placed too far to the left
[12:46:07] <zeeshan> from the body?
[12:47:11] <Rab> To far for what?
[12:47:43] <pink_vampire> zeeshan: perfume?
[12:48:09] <Rab> Looks like it'll break out if it's supposed to go all the way to the bottom.
[12:52:00] <PetefromTn_> it does appear a bit close to the outside edge
[13:07:42] <zeeshan> hes not worried about strength
[13:07:55] <pink_vampire> my band saw stend die
[13:07:56] <zeeshan> lemme highlight
[13:09:14] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/4VDASPi.png
[13:09:24] <zeeshan> he basically wants that
[13:10:34] <zeeshan> i cant believe my week off is almost coming to a close
[13:10:35] <zeeshan> :{
[13:11:41] <Loetmichel2> hmmm... after my wifes wheeelchair was ruined by the london cobblestones... ( http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15919 <- both front wheels bent sideways to the point they thouch the swivel fork) i bought a set of these: http://www.ebay.de/itm/271957318322 ... and will add 4 4mm thick milled aluminium plates to the sides by 20 screws or so), so "bbs rims" look ;)
[13:12:07] <zeeshan> haha
[13:12:15] <zeeshan> youre adding some style to the wheelchair :P
[13:12:38] <archivist> that is a frame fail not a wheel fail
[13:12:48] <Loetmichel2> hmm?
[13:13:21] <Loetmichel2> why is the frame at fail?
[13:13:48] <archivist> its bent
[13:14:51] <Loetmichel2> it isnt
[13:14:57] <archivist> the tube going into the wheel should be vertical
[13:15:01] <Loetmichel2> it is produced that way
[13:15:05] <Loetmichel2> it is
[13:15:36] <Loetmichel2> the lower part where the wheel is threaded in anyway
[13:15:44] <Loetmichel2> thats just bad perspective
[14:01:19] <Tom_itx> zeeshan you're making those from SS?
[14:03:59] <zeeshan> the plates with engraving?
[14:04:57] <Tom_itx> oh you're adding plates to the side?
[14:05:04] <Tom_itx> i thought it was all one piece
[14:05:06] <zeeshan> no
[14:05:10] <zeeshan> its a multicomponent piece
[14:05:16] <zeeshan> piece = assembly i mean
[14:05:20] <Tom_itx> hope you're getting paid good for it
[14:05:29] <zeeshan> im still figuring out the cost
[14:05:42] <zeeshan> its a pretty involved project
[14:05:49] <Tom_itx> you got about 500 in dev time already at least
[14:05:57] <zeeshan> way more than that
[14:06:02] <zeeshan> hes paid me for all my devel
[14:06:08] <Tom_itx> oh well good
[14:06:09] <zeeshan> ive put 50 hours into it
[14:06:28] <zeeshan> the engraving plates don't look too bad though
[14:06:36] <zeeshan> as long as i can fixture 20 of them at a time
[14:06:37] <Tom_itx> he must have high hopes for this thing
[14:06:43] <zeeshan> i can knock all the stainless plates out in a day
[14:06:57] <zeeshan> but the wood form -- just the surfacing time is 6 hours!
[14:07:01] <zeeshan> im trying to figure out how to reduce that
[14:07:07] <Tom_itx> oh the main part is wood?
[14:07:11] <zeeshan> yes
[14:07:14] <zeeshan> stablized wood
[14:07:15] <Tom_itx> no wonder you wanted wood feeds
[14:07:21] <zeeshan> so its a polymer infused wood
[14:07:24] <zeeshan> so not exactly 100% wood
[14:07:36] <Tom_itx> hope the polymer doesn't dull the bits
[14:07:47] <Tom_itx> or gum up on them
[14:07:54] <zeeshan> especially if im moving FAST
[14:08:00] <zeeshan> i need to be machining these at 100 ipm
[14:08:06] <zeeshan> to reduce the time significantly
[14:08:10] <zeeshan> or increase step over
[14:08:21] <Tom_itx> fast crap parts or quality good parts
[14:08:36] <zeeshan> well he's handing finishing them
[14:08:42] <Tom_itx> what's your stepover on the ball mill?
[14:09:02] <zeeshan> i did the calc a couple days ago, lemme recall
[14:09:03] <Tom_itx> cusp height or less than that?
[14:09:16] <Tom_itx> what size mill?
[14:09:20] <zeeshan> i think the 15 thou was the 6 hour surfacing time
[14:09:23] <zeeshan> 1/4
[14:09:41] <Tom_itx> you should be able to go more than that
[14:10:01] <Tom_itx> try .025 or .030
[14:10:29] <Tom_itx> run a test one at .030 and see how it turns out
[14:10:31] <zeeshan> will do
[14:10:41] <zeeshan> he gave me some wood to play with
[14:10:46] <zeeshan> i call it wood, but you know what i mean
[14:10:47] <zeeshan> S WOOD!
[14:10:53] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[14:11:03] <Tom_itx> you could even try more than that
[14:11:05] <zeeshan> my plan was to machine 4 different sides of it with different stepovers
[14:11:06] <Tom_itx> .050 maybe
[14:11:16] <zeeshan> and take a 250 grit
[14:11:19] <zeeshan> and see how quick it was to remove
[14:11:47] <Tom_itx> you're probably not gonna notice it as much in wood
[14:11:52] <pink_vampire> someone know where i can set the rapid move speed in hsm express?
[14:13:03] <JT-Shop> "rapid" is as fast as the machine can go...
[14:13:12] <zeeshan> a simple piece like this
[14:13:15] <zeeshan> is not so simple
[14:13:24] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: she means for simulation times
[14:13:28] <zeeshan> if you dont have it set right
[14:13:32] <zeeshan> you get some deviation
[14:14:23] <zeeshan> (though its not that big of a deal) :P
[14:18:15] <JT-Shop> oh
[14:18:33] <JT-Shop> I deleted hms it slowed my computer down too much
[14:18:41] <zeeshan> what do you use
[14:19:01] * JT-Shop wonders why she just dosen't use a LinuxCNC sim to test code
[14:19:04] <JT-Shop> OneCNC
[14:56:57] <pink_vampire> https://youtu.be/M50wnj5Se4g
[14:57:26] <pink_vampire> lathe ^
[14:58:20] <XXCoder> human lathe
[15:00:26] <zeeshan> lol
[15:00:47] <XXCoder> im sure few people would put that to different use :P
[15:12:27] <zeeshan> tom alive? :P
[15:18:02] <jdh> itym: HIGH hopes
[15:27:38] <fenn> Loetmichel2: interesting, is that fiberglass? http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=335
[15:44:27] * furrywolf notes the replacement cost of those cutting inserts is rather high
[15:45:13] <XXCoder> still cheaper than single giant drill or em or facemill so on heh
[15:54:47] <Simonious> getting up to speed on Fusion 360 and I'm starting to get it to work. It seems somewhat superior to CAMBAM - what have other people's experiences been?
[15:56:06] <ffurrywol> isn't that the stupid "cloud based" software where you have to have a high-speed internet connection, windows, and a fat wallet to send them money every month?
[15:56:22] <Simonious> Yes, no, yes, no
[15:56:43] <Simonious> I'm on super crappy internet and it works well
[15:56:49] <Simonious> and.. it's free for enthusiasts
[15:57:01] <Simonious> and more mature and capable than CAMBAM - at least that is what my limited experience is showing.
[15:57:22] <Simonious> ffurrywol: what do you use?
[15:57:38] <Simonious> CAMBAM has been very slow and cumbersome for me
[15:57:47] <Simonious> and it seems to extra struggle with 3D cuts
[15:57:51] <ffurrywol> pawcam. it's where you use your paws to type in g-code. :)
[15:58:00] * Simonious nods
[15:58:09] * ffurrywol hasn't found working cad/cam yet
[15:58:10] <Simonious> CAMBAM works well enough for 2.5D stuff
[15:58:34] <Simonious> ffurrywol: well I don't have enough experience to recommend anything, but I've tried 5 things and so far F360 is winning
[15:59:01] <Simonious> running EMC2 on the target machine.
[15:59:38] <furrywolf> except that I have no internet connection where my mill is, no windows (eww), no desire to ever use anything "cloud based", and no plans to ever rent software.
[16:00:23] <XXCoder> furrywolf: how far away is your mill from your internet connection
[16:00:34] <Simonious> I also have no internet on the mill, I use sneakernet
[16:00:37] <XXCoder> could set local network and you could create shares
[16:00:46] <XXCoder> *shared drive
[16:00:53] <furrywolf> one mile
[16:00:53] <furrywolf> and, no, it's not line-of-sight.
[16:00:58] <Simonious> :D
[16:01:07] <Simonious> Mine is 50 feet from the net
[16:01:08] <XXCoder> too bad, cannenta would help
[16:01:21] <XXCoder> cant spell that, use pringo can to make long range wifi
[16:01:26] <furrywolf> I have 24dbi parabolic dishes if I wanted to do that. cantennas are a worthless hack.
[16:01:45] <XXCoder> it works and not expensive lol
[16:01:55] <furrywolf> however, this is why I pointed out that there is no line of sight, just to stop suggestions like that.
[16:01:59] <XXCoder> what is between though? hill?
[16:02:03] <furrywolf> yes
[16:02:10] <XXCoder> relay
[16:02:17] <XXCoder> solar powered relay
[16:02:19] <furrywolf> private property.
[16:02:27] <XXCoder> oh not yours?
[16:02:39] <furrywolf> no, I don't happen to own an entire hill, as much as I'd like to.
[16:02:44] <XXCoder> lol
[16:02:46] <XXCoder> well darn
[16:02:47] * furrywolf owns an entire nothing
[16:03:01] <XXCoder> you own 99.9% of universe then
[16:03:11] <XXCoder> :)
[16:03:31] <furrywolf> dunno, if that emdrive works, then it might be there is no nothing. :P
[16:03:48] <XXCoder> nah theres empty nothing everywhere
[16:04:09] <XXCoder> human body is largely nothing. atom is BIG percent empty space
[16:04:14] <XXCoder> weird eh
[16:04:33] <XXCoder> well time for me to go later
[16:04:34] <SpeedEvil> Some are more nothing than others.
[16:05:09] <furrywolf> and according to hollywood, if you remove that nothing, you also have no mass! just look at honey I shrunk the kids, etc. :P
[16:05:42] <XXCoder> lol
[16:05:53] <XXCoder> yeah 5 adults walking on tab;e
[16:05:58] <XXCoder> it should have broke tabl;e
[16:06:19] <XXCoder> unless they found a way to compact and remove uneeded atoms
[16:07:57] <XXCoder> furrywolf: it would be interesting if science found a way to compact space between electrons and center, it would mean much more compact (and dense) matter. should be field effect though
[16:08:05] <XXCoder> so atoms getting out reverts to normal size
[16:09:15] <XXCoder> heh thought of abuse of that. 100 clowns out of car, no tricks
[16:09:48] <XXCoder> anyway later
[16:29:19] <Deejay> gn8
[17:41:26] <Tom_itx> hah
[17:41:33] <Tom_itx> apparently i can get CATIA free
[17:45:26] <jdh> free is good
[17:46:43] <Tom_itx> not sure i have a 64bit os set up though
[17:47:17] <Tom_itx> access to solidworks 2015 too
[17:47:47] <Tom_itx> err 2014
[17:51:05] <PCW> micges_: the USB pic programmer we have is MELABS U2
[17:51:55] <micges> PCW: thanks
[17:59:09] <Tom_itx> is solidworks put out by Dassault Systems?
[18:00:00] <[cube]> yes
[18:00:44] <Tom_itx> hmm, they also own CATIA apparently
[18:02:41] <jdh> and lots of other stuff
[18:05:51] <Tom_itx> wonder if it will run on a tablet
[18:06:05] <Tom_itx> only thing i have running 64 bit atm
[18:19:11] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: sweet man
[18:19:14] <zeeshan> get both!
[18:28:24] <Tom_itx> well solidworks works remotely from their server
[18:28:38] <zeeshan> catia is extremely hard to use :P
[18:28:40] <zeeshan> but super powerful
[18:28:51] <Tom_itx> i have the book :)
[18:29:13] <zeeshan> the only reason i can see for hobby/small/medium use that catia is beneficial
[18:29:17] <zeeshan> is cause it's already got cam in it
[18:29:26] <Tom_itx> no it doesn't
[18:29:29] <zeeshan> what!
[18:29:38] <zeeshan> it doesnt?!?
[18:29:39] <zeeshan> since when
[18:29:40] <Tom_itx> not that i'm aware of
[18:29:48] <zeeshan> it does
[18:29:48] <Tom_itx> if it does, it's new
[18:29:50] <zeeshan> no
[18:29:53] <zeeshan> its been around for a long time
[18:29:59] <Tom_itx> back when.. my bud had to get a 3rd party add on
[18:30:04] <Tom_itx> i know
[18:30:32] <ganzuul> Solid Edge is the design part of NX... \o/
[18:31:15] <zeeshan> at the end of the day ive used so many software
[18:31:21] <zeeshan> for work etc
[18:31:28] <zeeshan> but my fav has to be solidworks w/ mastercam
[18:31:32] <zeeshan> it pretty much does everything ineed
[18:31:44] <zeeshan> but i can't tell you why
[18:31:46] <Tom_itx> smartcam works for me
[18:33:30] * Wolf_ knows nothing of these things…
[18:34:03] <zeeshan> so Tom_itx i think i am close to figuring out how to machine this thing
[18:34:40] <Tom_itx> hold the tool in the x axis and put the part in the spindle :)
[18:34:57] <Wolf_> add a 5th axis?
[18:34:58] <Jymmm> have a beaver do it for you
[18:41:32] <zeeshan> lol
[18:41:46] <zeeshan> im actually working on the cam for it right now
[18:41:50] <zeeshan> so ill have a decent time
[18:46:50] <Jymmm> Beaver Cam?
[18:47:22] <Jymmm> All you need now is a midget hooker and THAT's A PARTY!!!
[18:49:25] <renesis> dont forget the jello
[18:52:14] <zeeshan> the minds in this room
[18:52:15] <zeeshan> :-)
[18:53:44] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: you posted a pdf yesterday with wood feeds and speeds
[18:54:08] <zeeshan> http://www.onsrud.com/files/pdf/2012%20LMT%20Onsrud%20Production%20Cutting%20Tools%20Hard%20Wood.pdf
[18:54:17] <zeeshan> whats the series on the left? :P
[18:54:27] <Wolf_> starting to wonder if I should CNC my mini lathe too :/
[18:54:39] <malcom2073> Do it Wolf!
[18:54:40] <zeeshan> Wolf_: one thing at a time
[18:54:41] <zeeshan> :)
[19:05:33] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, probably onsrud cutter series
[19:05:51] * zeeshan doesnt not know where to buy ball nose cutters for wood
[19:05:53] <zeeshan> CHEAP!
[19:06:01] <Tom_itx> 2 flute
[19:10:32] <Jymmm> zeeshan: why ballnose?
[19:10:34] <jdh> sometimes,it is too expensive to buy cheap crap
[19:10:42] <zeeshan> cheap is 30 bux
[19:10:43] <zeeshan> for a 1/4"
[19:10:44] <jdh> 3d surface milling
[19:10:45] <zeeshan> cant find that
[19:11:03] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Why not V-Groove?
[19:11:25] <zeeshan> ball nose removes more material
[19:11:48] <Jymmm> I din't know what you are doing, but I'll take your word for it.
[19:11:51] <Jymmm> don't*
[19:11:57] <jdh> he's making weed vapes
[19:11:59] <zeeshan> ive only been doing it for 10 days now
[19:12:23] <Jymmm> jdh: Gawd, I hope not, no wood is used in vaping =)
[19:12:37] <Jymmm> mosfets yes, but not wood =)
[19:12:44] <jdh> the wood is decorative
[19:13:03] <Jymmm> and toxic to inhale depending on species =)
[19:13:06] <Tom_itx> http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/14carbideballendmill2flute.aspx
[19:13:17] <zeeshan> thats for metal :P
[19:13:17] <jdh> I am under the impression that he seriously belives they are for cig types.
[19:13:26] <Tom_itx> it will cut wood
[19:13:28] <zeeshan> jdh pot smokers
[19:13:31] <jdh> upcut carbide
[19:13:35] <zeeshan> wont be able to afford this
[19:13:36] <zeeshan> lol
[19:13:40] <zeeshan> so i know it's for e-cigs
[19:14:02] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: remember im trying to go as fast as possible
[19:14:04] <jdh> because suave, sophisticated nic addicts will
[19:14:05] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Are you REALLY making does for vaping?
[19:14:14] <zeeshan> i feel like a a higher positive rake tool
[19:14:14] <Jymmm> stuff*
[19:14:15] <zeeshan> will work better
[19:14:26] <zeeshan> even a ball nose made for aluminum for example
[19:14:33] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Are you REALLY making stuff for vaping out of wood?
[19:14:36] <andypugh> http://www.trenddirectuk.com/router-bits/radius-cutters/radius-and-coves.html
[19:14:54] <zeeshan> thats exactly what i need andy
[19:15:01] <renesis> vap bros are prob the best non feedback whip vap, theyre built into wood boxes
[19:15:03] <zeeshan> motherengland
[19:15:58] <Tom_itx> http://www.onsrud.com/product/Item/m/itemDetail.html?itemId=52-280B
[19:15:59] <andypugh> Maybe “cove” is what you need?
[19:16:18] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Are you REALLY making stuff for vaping out of wood?
[19:16:27] <PetefromTn_> hey folks
[19:16:39] <zeeshan> andypugh: i think you nailed it
[19:16:45] <zeeshan> i think they're called cove bits
[19:16:47] <zeeshan> and thanks tom
[19:16:58] <renesis> zeeshan is anti recreational chemical use
[19:17:07] <zeeshan> only retards need to smoke drugs
[19:17:17] <zeeshan> so yes i am very anti-recreational drug use
[19:17:20] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I use and highly recommend CMT router bits for wood... http://www.cmtutensili.com/show_items.asp?pars=RB~~2
[19:17:26] <renesis> heh remember the arcade games in the 80s?
[19:17:36] <zeeshan> Jymmm: nice site
[19:17:54] <Tom_itx> https://www.vortextool.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=23
[19:18:06] <renesis> zeeshan: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Winners_Dont_Use_Drugs.png !
[19:18:17] <PetefromTn_> I don't think a cove bit would be ideal I would definitely look at a 2 flute ball endmill for the 3d contouring
[19:18:24] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[19:18:25] <zeeshan> http://www.woodline.com/p-1529-plunging-ball-bits.aspx
[19:18:30] <zeeshan> see this is a decent price
[19:18:32] <zeeshan> nice Jymmm
[19:18:34] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I primarly use 1/4" spiral upcut or downcut depending on the specifis of what I'm doing. If it's a nice finis on top you are looking for, then downcut but can get clogged with sawdust
[19:18:43] <zeeshan> i dont need a good finish
[19:18:47] <zeeshan> need need quick material removal
[19:18:51] <zeeshan> like REALLY quick!!
[19:18:54] <zeeshan> 100 ipm quick
[19:19:05] <zeeshan> shit if i can rapid through the whole thing
[19:19:09] <zeeshan> at 200 ipm i will take that as well
[19:19:10] <PetefromTn_> are you gonna build the router mount?
[19:19:13] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I've asked you 4 times what you are doing, and you still haven't said
[19:19:13] <zeeshan> yes pete
[19:19:40] <PetefromTn_> those do look good but I doubt they would perform any better than a 2 flute ball endmill really
[19:19:41] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, he's milling polimer filled woodish material
[19:19:42] <zeeshan> Jymmm: i am making a bunch of components for the vaporizer
[19:19:43] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/EOJan
[19:19:47] <zeeshan> this is what it looks like
[19:20:00] <zeeshan> the only that im iffy about is the wood handle
[19:20:03] <zeeshan> its very involvedf
[19:20:06] <zeeshan> everything else is easy
[19:20:24] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: im thinking the high positive rake will help a lot
[19:20:27] <PetefromTn_> typical cove bits have less of a shear angle to the cut and
[19:20:29] <zeeshan> in abolishing the wood
[19:20:47] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: stablized wood?
[19:20:49] <Rab> zeeshan, what sort of wood? The part's gonna get pretty worked over by the time it's finished.
[19:20:56] <PetefromTn_> I have milled with router bits before quite a few times
[19:21:34] <PetefromTn_> when Inlet the stocks out of these laminate blanks I use HSS endmills and it cuts really nice and clean...surprisingly clean actually.
[19:21:37] <Rab> And man, there are some realy thin walls in the cross section.
[19:21:48] <zeeshan> Rab: http://www.knifeforums.com/uploads/1267771659-DSC04510.JPG
[19:21:49] <Rab> Hope it's rosewood or lignum vitae or similar.
[19:21:55] <zeeshan> rab this isn't plywood
[19:21:57] <zeeshan> that's gonna chip
[19:21:57] <zeeshan> lol
[19:22:01] <renesis> its an RBA i think
[19:22:03] <zeeshan> ive already played around with it
[19:22:07] <Jymmm> zeeshan: If you think you are going to get 100IPM on polymer imprediated wood, you need a reality check.
[19:22:10] <Tom_itx> These bits have been geometrically designed to cut cleaner than ballnose endmills and have point geometry specifically designed to cut wood or plastics. Used for 3D modeling and carving, fluting, or for routing slots with rounded bottoms or rounded inside corners.
[19:22:12] <Tom_itx> https://www.vortextool.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=23
[19:22:24] <zeeshan> Jymmm: that reeality check will happen tonight
[19:22:28] <zeeshan> when i go machine some scraps
[19:22:39] <zeeshan> i don't see any reasy why with some air blowing and vacuum
[19:22:41] <zeeshan> it can't be done
[19:22:53] <zeeshan> wood is girly stuff relative to steel
[19:22:55] <Jymmm> zeeshan: WEll, I think you need to start working on plan D, E, and F
[19:22:58] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx those look good
[19:22:59] <Tom_itx> blow oxy maybe you can start a fire
[19:23:06] <PetefromTn_> wood specific endmills basically
[19:23:14] <jdh> was the customers design? is it some known shape I just can't see?
[19:23:30] <Tom_itx> jdh, it's a polished turd
[19:23:31] <Jymmm> zeeshan: resin can be a bitch and dull cutters fast
[19:23:41] <zeeshan> its only acrylic
[19:23:48] <zeeshan> its not gonna do anything :P
[19:23:51] <PetefromTn_> no man not a polished turd...it's the VENUS DEMILO!!
[19:23:55] <Jymmm> wait... it's wood or acrylic?
[19:23:55] <zeeshan> ROFL PetefromTn_
[19:23:59] <renesis> melt onto your cutter
[19:24:05] <zeeshan> Jymmm: do you know what stablized wood is?
[19:24:09] <Rab> zeeshan, I don't smoke weed but that looks like a really cool project. You're pretty much obligated to give it a road test, you know. Nancy Reagan is dead.
[19:24:35] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I've seen it, but I'm asking what the polymer is being used?
[19:24:36] <renesis> i suspect its for nicotine juice, with the resevoir
[19:24:50] <zeeshan> Jymmm: its basically acrylated wood
[19:24:52] <renesis> doesnt look like something 510 threaded
[19:25:06] <Jymmm> zeeshan: spindle speed?
[19:25:09] <zeeshan> it is 510 threaded renesis
[19:25:21] <renesis> then i dont get the reservoir
[19:25:22] <zeeshan> Jymmm: im not going through this right now
[19:25:25] <zeeshan> maybe later
[19:25:28] <zeeshan> thank you though
[19:25:51] <zeeshan> renesis: i dont get a lot about it
[19:25:57] <zeeshan> im making it :P
[19:25:59] <zeeshan> its not my design
[19:26:00] <renesis> anyway if its 510 threaded you can use it for cannabis oil or almost anything
[19:26:03] <zeeshan> i just made it manufacturable
[19:26:12] <zeeshan> if you wanted to yea you could
[19:26:19] <Jymmm> renesis: 510 is all vaping =)
[19:26:19] <zeeshan> but it'd be a very expensive vape for that
[19:26:42] <renesis> it doesnt have the pocket for ego atomizers
[19:26:55] <zeeshan> with my cost + his wood cost + pcb + battery tubes etc
[19:27:02] <zeeshan> he's prolly selling these at 800 per piece
[19:27:02] <renesis> so wont work with common cannabis oil atomizers
[19:27:05] <zeeshan> to 650
[19:27:12] <renesis> ha wtf
[19:27:12] <zeeshan> its more for collection than using
[19:27:26] <zeeshan> just the stablized wood pieces are $150
[19:27:41] <zeeshan> if you wanted to smoke pot, you'd go pick yourself up a $40 vape
[19:27:58] <zeeshan> i dont see why youd wanna hundreds on a fancy one to do that
[19:28:01] <renesis> jymmm: 510/ego compatible means you can spend $15 and get an oil rig
[19:28:06] <zeeshan> shit i dont see why youd wanna do that for just smoking
[19:28:21] <renesis> but they have the little skirts to cover the ego cone threads, so they wont work with everything 510 threaded
[19:28:42] <Jymmm> renesis: Eh, I just have a clone MutX v2, I'm happy =)
[19:28:51] <renesis> like my mod battery doesnt have the groove, so you cant use ego compatible 510 on it
[19:28:53] <Rab> zeeshan, you should see what people pay for wristwatches.
[19:29:01] <zeeshan> rab very good point
[19:29:33] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, you should see it.. it's paying you
[19:29:36] <renesis> i paid like $35 for my mod and maybe $20 for the atomizer and had it over a year
[19:29:38] <zeeshan> i took this project cause it is something different, gave me a chance to practice my surfacing skills, play with a completely new material i've never machined before, and its good money
[19:29:55] <zeeshan> it's not something i would design and sell myself
[19:29:57] <renesis> wood composites are neat
[19:30:00] * Tom_itx alerts the DEA
[19:30:18] <zeeshan> i've also never machined true 3d geometry like this
[19:30:20] <renesis> they do stuff with gating to get a crappy swirly mix and can simulate wood grain pretty well
[19:30:34] <zeeshan> i think this will be a good experience
[19:30:39] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, be sure to eliminate all your air cuts
[19:30:41] <renesis> machining wood for mass production is fucked =(
[19:30:56] <Tom_itx> you will get alot of them when you generate the surface
[19:31:41] <renesis> oh
[19:31:45] <renesis> its not a juice port
[19:31:53] <renesis> its for the electronics and display i guess
[19:32:14] <renesis> so is that supposed to be a lady in a saggy dress?
[19:32:30] <jdh> I thougth it was a headless bunny or praire dog maybe
[19:32:32] <Tom_itx> if it's polymer filled wood, why not mold it?
[19:32:42] <renesis> because prototype
[19:32:45] <Tom_itx> spend your time machining a good mold
[19:33:06] <zeeshan> i wish it was like that
[19:33:06] <zeeshan> heeh
[19:33:07] <Tom_itx> renesis, he's gearing up like it's not
[19:33:14] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: you take a very exotic piece of wood
[19:33:28] <zeeshan> and you vacuum bag and draw in acrylic resin for a couple hours
[19:33:34] <zeeshan> it fills up all the pores in the wood
[19:33:37] <zeeshan> but maintains the grain
[19:33:39] <renesis> well if they sell a few he can drop the time on injection molding the stuff so it actually looks like wood
[19:33:44] <zeeshan> make it look very pretty
[19:33:51] <Tom_itx> why not do that after it's machined?
[19:34:03] <zeeshan> because stablizing the wood helps with machining too
[19:34:14] <Tom_itx> and dulls the shit outta cutters
[19:34:19] <zeeshan> no
[19:34:25] <renesis> machining normal wood for mass production or assembly is a mess
[19:34:33] <renesis> it breathes, shit is alive
[19:34:56] <zeeshan> you get less chipout etc
[19:35:06] <zeeshan> i need it to be fairly strong
[19:35:09] <renesis> so composites you get some of the properties of wood, but its machinable, holds tolerances
[19:35:11] <zeeshan> so the thinner areas dont blow out
[19:35:17] <zeeshan> yep ren
[19:35:30] <Rab> Does the resin penetrate throughout the piece?
[19:35:33] <renesis> theres stuff made out of wood dust thats injection moldable
[19:35:34] <zeeshan> yes
[19:35:55] <Rab> renesis, thinking of bakelite?
[19:35:57] <renesis> rab: i think this is how they do the colored gunstocks
[19:36:05] <renesis> rab: yeah but not old
[19:36:25] <renesis> bakelite never looked like wood, or felt like it really
[19:36:41] <Rab> I'm so relieved this is stoner tech, I thought it was either a handle for a weapon or some kind of ridiculous grip shifter.
[19:36:45] <renesis> but mechanically, yeah like bakelite
[19:36:55] <zeeshan> rofl rab
[19:36:56] <zeeshan> haha
[19:37:00] <renesis> its not stoner tech
[19:37:10] <renesis> its nicotine junkie tech
[19:37:25] <renesis> you cant use standard cannabis oil atomizers with that
[19:37:31] <renesis> its not ego threaded
[19:37:54] <renesis> http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server4000/549f5/product_images/uploaded_images/ego-510-thread.jpg
[19:38:26] <renesis> the ego thread is for a cosmetic cone for first gen egos that use 510 attys
[19:38:55] <renesis> lots of atomizers have a skirt that covers the ego threads, doesnt screw on just cosmetic
[19:39:13] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A7b2v6Pe5Y
[19:39:17] <zeeshan> this is the only youtube video i can find
[19:39:18] <renesis> my ecig mod, and zee's project dont have the area for the skirt
[19:39:23] <zeeshan> and it literally looks like youre machining wax
[19:39:23] <zeeshan> haha
[19:39:28] <zeeshan> its so soft
[19:42:01] <renesis> its neat that it doesnt rip up into dust
[19:43:21] <Rab> zeeshan, are you machining out the internals before doing the exterior contours?
[19:44:44] <zeeshan> rab so this is my plan, hold on to your chair cause its elaborate :P
[19:45:02] <Rab> gripping chair firmly
[19:45:15] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/NT9YDP8.png
[19:45:20] <zeeshan> so imagine this as a rectangular block of wood
[19:45:27] <zeeshan> i grip it in a 4 jaw on the very left
[19:45:35] <zeeshan> i machine the top surface
[19:45:59] <zeeshan> i index 90 degres, machine the side, index again machine the side index again machine the side. so 4 sides of the rect have been machined
[19:46:20] <Tom_itx> get a rotary with 5 axis software and machine it all at once
[19:46:25] <zeeshan> i repeat this for the next 9 pieces (im planning to do 10 at a time)
[19:46:41] <zeeshan> then i take the 4 jaw and mount it against the table
[19:46:45] <zeeshan> and machine:
[19:47:00] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/BeUDddX.png
[19:47:09] <zeeshan> all these top surfaces, i drill and end mill all those circular holes you see
[19:47:21] <zeeshan> i forgot to mention something
[19:47:30] <zeeshan> the 4 sides that i did earlier
[19:47:39] <zeeshan> i go and pocket that triangular pocket
[19:47:42] <zeeshan> to fit that plate
[19:47:52] <Tom_itx> i figured that
[19:47:58] <zeeshan> now i need a negative fixture of my surface
[19:48:01] <zeeshan> cause i gotta machine the bottom
[19:48:26] <zeeshan> so i grip my work piece in the negative fixture , (fixture has flat surfaces on the exterior)
[19:48:43] <zeeshan> turn it upside down to machine the bottom pockets and big ass bore for the battery tube
[19:48:43] <Rab> zeeshan, tell that guy to fix his leaf/stem, it's gonna make people crazy.
[19:48:44] <Tom_itx> is the bottom perp to the hole?
[19:48:50] <Tom_itx> fixture the hole
[19:49:04] <zeeshan> fixture the top holes
[19:49:06] <zeeshan> that i machined?
[19:49:13] <Tom_itx> why not?
[19:49:23] <zeeshan> but how would i grip it firmly though?
[19:49:26] <zeeshan> using that one hole there
[19:49:35] <Rab> zeeshan, if you have trouble engraving the stainless, you could consider etching.
[19:49:43] <Tom_itx> set it down on that to locate it then use side clamps to hold it
[19:49:51] <zeeshan> rab ive played witrh engraving stainless before
[19:49:58] <zeeshan> im not at all worried about the stainless plates
[19:49:59] <zeeshan> jsut the wood
[19:50:01] <zeeshan> cause its complex
[19:50:06] <renesis> its drama
[19:50:41] <zeeshan> tom im not following you
[19:50:53] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/EjigFt9.png
[19:51:02] <zeeshan> you can see in this pic the top circular features
[19:51:04] <Tom_itx> you could actually pin the larger hole then have a pin come up from the bottom of the fixture into the other hole to locate it firmly and clamp the sides
[19:51:19] <Tom_itx> fixture it in the vise
[19:51:28] <Tom_itx> so you can reach under and remove the pin
[19:51:53] <just_pink> hi
[19:51:54] <zeeshan> other hole
[19:51:57] <zeeshan> meaning the pocket
[19:52:04] <zeeshan> where the triangle plate goes?
[19:52:15] <Tom_itx> http://i.imgur.com/BeUDddX.png
[19:52:35] <Tom_itx> or locate it on the plate...
[19:52:46] <Tom_itx> so the pin on the bottom and the plate on the side
[19:52:47] <Rab> zeeshan, I see why you want a 4th axis.
[19:52:53] <Tom_itx> that would be best
[19:53:13] <zeeshan> hmm Tom_itx
[19:53:15] <zeeshan> i think that might work
[19:53:19] <Tom_itx> you would have it located in 2 axis then
[19:53:34] <zeeshan> lemme show you why else i was going to build a negative fixture
[19:53:34] <zeeshan> for this
[19:53:46] <zeeshan> its very hard to see compound holes and explain them
[19:53:50] <zeeshan> and shit model them, but ill try
[19:53:51] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/w5aWhaE.png
[19:53:59] <zeeshan> can you see the holes?
[19:54:05] <zeeshan> that are at angles
[19:54:15] <Tom_itx> i know you have internal holes to drill
[19:54:28] <zeeshan> they are compound holes
[19:54:41] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/rQDJ4kJ.png
[19:54:43] <zeeshan> you can see em better here
[19:54:53] <zeeshan> i was gonna machine angles into the fixture plate
[19:54:56] <zeeshan> so i can use it for that purpose
[19:55:01] <zeeshan> along with a drill guide
[19:55:09] <zeeshan> so i can go do that on the drill press while the other stuff is machining
[19:55:19] <Tom_itx> why does it have to be compound?
[19:55:40] <zeeshan> why as in -- why does the design have that?
[19:55:49] <Tom_itx> yeah
[19:55:54] <zeeshan> its needed, trust me :P
[19:56:10] <zeeshan> its the only way to be able to pass wires
[19:56:17] <zeeshan> without damaging anything else
[19:56:28] <zeeshan> or compromising on the 510 connection being secure
[19:56:41] <zeeshan> 510 is that thing the big silver cylinder screws into
[19:57:00] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/EjigFt9.png
[19:57:08] <zeeshan> theres wires that come from the button
[19:57:11] <zeeshan> and the top of the battery tube
[19:57:17] <zeeshan> they need to go to the pcb module inside the triangle slot
[19:57:22] <zeeshan> theres no way to get those wires there
[19:57:33] <zeeshan> without doing a compound hole that brings them ousde the side of this handle
[19:57:34] <Tom_itx> did you see SpeedEvil's post about a battery vent?
[19:57:39] <zeeshan> yea
[19:57:45] <zeeshan> the vent for the battery is built into the bottom cap
[19:57:48] <zeeshan> its got vent holes
[19:58:47] <zeeshan> man if i can avoid a fixture for the drilling of holes
[19:58:51] <zeeshan> that'd be something
[19:59:24] <SpeedEvil> stubby bits can help
[19:59:24] <Tom_itx> i should have taken a pic of what my friend has to do to drill one tiny blind hole
[19:59:37] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: not worried about wandering
[19:59:37] <SpeedEvil> what is the l/d ?
[19:59:46] <zeeshan> not enough to cause wandering
[19:59:48] <zeeshan> especially in wood!
[20:00:00] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: especially at hole start
[20:00:01] <zeeshan> im drilling 2 compound holes that need to meet
[20:00:05] <zeeshan> if its out by 1 degree
[20:00:09] <zeeshan> it doesnt meet correctly
[20:00:25] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: yea but you always start with a spot drill
[20:00:27] <zeeshan> or center drill
[20:00:45] <zeeshan> the drilling of holes is easy in my opinion
[20:00:48] <SpeedEvil> I suppose you've considered simply halving some nice wood with a fine kerf bandsaw, doing the ops on each half, and ...
[20:00:50] <zeeshan> its holding the part while doing so is hard :)
[20:01:03] <SpeedEvil> If lined up with the grain, it can be almost invisible
[20:01:17] <zeeshan> yes
[20:01:19] <zeeshan> but he doesnt want that
[20:01:21] <zeeshan> and i think it'll take longer
[20:01:32] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: start out oversize, and simply glue it down to waste?
[20:01:50] <SpeedEvil> I don't understand your shapes, sorry
[20:01:56] <zeeshan> its okay
[20:01:58] <zeeshan> i dont understand them either
[20:02:12] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: that'd work for making 10
[20:02:16] <zeeshan> but 40 -- might get a pain
[20:02:16] <SpeedEvil> Trained woodworm
[20:02:24] <zeeshan> with a potentialk for another the following month
[20:02:33] <zeeshan> another 40
[20:02:49] <zeeshan> termites!
[20:04:02] <PetefromTn_> have you done any simulations to figure out what your cycle time is going to be for the main contouring program?
[20:04:27] <zeeshan> working on that as we speak
[20:04:28] <Tom_itx> i see lots of potential for some of the walls to chip away on that design
[20:04:44] <Tom_itx> seeing that it's wood
[20:04:46] <zeeshan> tom where?
[20:05:16] <Tom_itx> http://i.imgur.com/EjigFt9.png
[20:05:20] <Tom_itx> all around the battery cavity
[20:05:36] <zeeshan> between the cavity for the blue thing
[20:05:39] <zeeshan> and the battery cavity?
[20:05:53] <SpeedEvil> What's the wood
[20:05:55] <Tom_itx> that's one
[20:06:02] <Tom_itx> the top is another
[20:06:11] <zeeshan> that view is misleading
[20:06:17] <zeeshan> cause thats the thinnest section
[20:06:18] <Tom_itx> it may be minimal since it's round
[20:06:22] <zeeshan> exactly
[20:06:24] <Tom_itx> i know that
[20:06:27] <zeeshan> its round so i dont think itll be that bad
[20:06:27] <Tom_itx> but still
[20:06:37] <Tom_itx> hope for your sake...
[20:06:51] <zeeshan> well im gonna make one
[20:06:57] <zeeshan> and tell him the cost -- that is the plan
[20:07:03] <zeeshan> i've given him a huge ball park value
[20:07:25] <Tom_itx> what is the target per unit cost?
[20:07:31] <zeeshan> i dont know that info
[20:07:35] <zeeshan> and to be honest, i dont care!! lol
[20:07:57] <zeeshan> all i care about is how much i need to make from this
[20:08:15] <zeeshan> cause ive rejected a couple jobs cause im involved with this
[20:08:19] <zeeshan> and there is a potential i can't work on others
[20:10:42] <just_pink> zeeshan: what's is going to be?
[20:14:11] <zeeshan> just_pink: nasa's new space ship
[20:14:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah and it's WOOD!
[20:14:48] <zeeshan> pluto??
[20:14:49] <zeeshan> yea right!
[20:15:11] <zeeshan> it's going into the core of the sun
[20:30:33] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: did you weld the flange?
[20:35:02] <PetefromTn_> well actually
[20:35:16] <PetefromTn_> I did not get the back purge setup in the mail today AGAIN
[20:35:30] <PetefromTn_> but they called me and said they needed it and to go ahead and weld it anyways
[20:35:37] <PetefromTn_> so I just did the best I could with it
[20:36:02] <PetefromTn_> it really fuzzed up on the inside and the outside did not look all that much better honestly
[20:36:22] <PetefromTn_> but I got it sealed up and welded and brought it over there
[20:37:32] <zeeshan> did you try cleaning the inside?
[20:37:43] <PetefromTn_> I tried EVERYTHING
[20:37:47] <PetefromTn_> I cleaned EVERYTHING
[20:38:03] <zeeshan> you know i hate ceramic coating so much
[20:38:13] <PetefromTn_> it just would not weld worth a shit no matter how much sanding/ scotchbriting/polishing I did to it
[20:38:15] <zeeshan> i coulda modified my old manifolds to make them work for my new setup
[20:38:18] <zeeshan> but i just threw em away
[20:38:30] <zeeshan> its such a critical piece i was like all new fresh metal!
[20:38:56] <PetefromTn_> he told me that they ALWAYS wrap their downtubes with Ti wrap and I watched them do it while I was there and install it in the car
[20:39:21] <PetefromTn_> I know the weld was not pretty or all that great really but they seemed to be okay with it.
[20:40:05] <zeeshan> haha
[20:40:06] <zeeshan> sweet
[20:40:10] <zeeshan> so you wont even really see the weld
[20:40:10] <zeeshan> :P
[20:40:17] <zeeshan> they dont have a tig welder there?
[20:40:22] <PetefromTn_> they were talking about building a big welding table for me when I start working there so I guess they are good with it. I definitely was NOT good with it but they kinda put me in a bad spot with the time frame and bad setup etc.
[20:41:11] <jdh> using their gear or yours?
[20:41:19] <PetefromTn_> I am really trying to get setup correctly and I have really been practicing a lot here
[20:41:19] <SpeedEvil> If it's a tube, can't you just tape some stuff over the end and flow gas into it?
[20:41:26] <SpeedEvil> Or am I misunderstanding
[20:41:34] <PetefromTn_> heh you can if you have a back purge reg LOL
[20:41:41] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[20:42:10] <PetefromTn_> I bought all that stuff and got it ordered but the people I ordered the Tee fitting from screwed me over with not getting it here even after a week
[20:42:32] <PetefromTn_> as of tonight they just emailed me and refunded my money
[20:42:56] <PetefromTn_> and they said if I do receive it to just keep it which is nice but it did not help me today that is for sure
[20:43:18] <PetefromTn_> to be quite honest with you today was HUGELY stressful with this thing...
[20:43:47] <PetefromTn_> I did not know whether to try to weld it without as they asked or to just turn it down and bring it back unwelded.
[20:44:30] <zeeshan> turning it down means they'll never give you a job again
[20:44:31] <PetefromTn_> they REALLY wanted it soon because the car is supposed to ship by Saturday so I thought better just do it. I may live to regret that decision
[20:44:37] <zeeshan> just weld and grind it clean
[20:44:39] <zeeshan> so you cant see the weld
[20:44:44] <zeeshan> that would i do that in this scenario
[20:44:47] <PetefromTn_> that is kinda what I did
[20:44:56] <PetefromTn_> reluctantly
[20:45:03] <zeeshan> its not gonna crack
[20:45:03] <PetefromTn_> I swear man that tube SUCKED
[20:45:04] <zeeshan> dont worry
[20:45:34] <PetefromTn_> it had so much contamination in it even on the top side I could not believe it...
[20:45:58] <PetefromTn_> I tried every trick I know to make it flow out good but you can see the shit in the welds around the edges no matter what you do...
[20:46:28] <PetefromTn_> The Stainless flange was great and that part is fine but where it joined to that frackin' tube was a disaster I swear...
[20:46:58] <PetefromTn_> They said it was fine and I told them I would not blame them if they cut the damn thing off and started over LOL...
[20:47:37] <PetefromTn_> he told me that they WANTED me to make a whole new downpipe for the car but the owner kinda cheaped out on them so they had no choice
[20:49:21] <PetefromTn_> I don't doubt it will not break it is solid enough and I got good penetration but it sure was not the prettiest weld
[20:50:19] <zeeshan> anyoine that knows anything about welding
[20:50:28] <zeeshan> knows welding used old shit exhaus ttubing
[20:50:31] <zeeshan> especially with ceramic coating on it
[20:50:38] <zeeshan> is going to weld like ass
[20:50:39] <zeeshan> :P
[20:51:02] <PetefromTn_> I don't know I never had to do it before but I sure do now.
[20:51:06] <zeeshan> so if they know th is, they will be good to work with!
[20:51:23] <PetefromTn_> what really sucks is I really wanted to be able to impress them at least a little bit with the first job...
[20:51:37] <zeeshan> i know the feeling
[20:51:43] <zeeshan> cause you're starting a fresh relationship
[20:51:48] <PetefromTn_> what's that they say about first impressions...?
[20:52:03] <zeeshan> if i can be honest..
[20:52:10] <zeeshan> i think for a job like this being on time is more important
[20:52:12] <zeeshan> than the quality of weld
[20:52:16] <zeeshan> as long as it holds
[20:52:17] <zeeshan> its ok
[20:52:28] <zeeshan> but being your first weld for them, i understand
[20:52:37] <zeeshan> if i have a new customer for welding and it goes like ass
[20:52:52] <zeeshan> i always show them a sample piece of a weld -- what it could look like when the conditions are correct
[20:53:06] <zeeshan> if youre going to give me a 1/4" plate and get me to weld 1/16" aluminum to it
[20:53:10] <zeeshan> it's gonna look like ass
[20:53:16] <zeeshan> i can guarantee you that before i start!
[20:53:39] <zeeshan> (for a butt weld, not lap)
[20:55:04] <PetefromTn_> it's funny I DID bring a piece of that stainless tube I was practicing on just to show them that I don't completely suck LOL
[20:55:39] <zeeshan> good :)
[20:56:04] <PetefromTn_> I have been playing with this stainless a lot here
[20:56:16] <PetefromTn_> and I am getting a bit more consistent with my technique...
[20:56:24] <PetefromTn_> but I still have problems with the greying
[20:56:34] <PetefromTn_> I tried to go a lot hotter and a lot cooler
[20:56:44] <PetefromTn_> I tried varying my movements
[20:57:02] <PetefromTn_> of course I still don't have the proper back purge setup here
[20:57:40] <PetefromTn_> but I would love to be able to get that nice coloration a bit more and some of that bluish tint in there.
[20:57:43] <PetefromTn_> any suggestions?
[20:57:59] <zeeshan> the blue tint is going to happen with back purge
[20:58:09] <zeeshan> but the rainbow colors
[20:58:12] <PetefromTn_> OK nice
[20:58:13] <zeeshan> you can do without
[20:58:33] <PetefromTn_> I am talking more that coppery coloration on the beads themselves
[20:58:55] <PetefromTn_> sometimes I get it really good and then the next time not
[20:59:00] <PetefromTn_> kinda frustrating
[20:59:02] <zeeshan> yea thats back purge
[20:59:05] <zeeshan> that means like 0!!!!!!!!!!1
[20:59:10] <zeeshan> contamination
[20:59:28] <PetefromTn_> I clean the crap out of the pieces beforehand
[20:59:44] <PetefromTn_> I have been REALLY REALLY trying to get everything clean and tight before I strike up
[20:59:56] <zeeshan> if its the color youre trying to achieve
[20:59:59] <zeeshan> itll be effortless with backpurge
[21:00:05] <zeeshan> (on the bead itself)
[21:00:14] <PetefromTn_> Wow nice I hope so...
[21:00:25] <zeeshan> you can get away with overheating the weld
[21:00:26] <PetefromTn_> that would really put my welds in a lot better light
[21:00:50] <zeeshan> http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l550/customdesign/IMG_0481_zps13912c58.jpg
[21:00:51] <PetefromTn_> I have been thinking about this stuff a lot lately...
[21:01:07] <zeeshan> ^ this guy is overheating the weld
[21:01:14] <zeeshan> but it doesnt show
[21:01:15] <zeeshan> hehe
[21:01:17] <PetefromTn_> even if it does not work out with these guys for whatever reason I absolutely want to get this down and be able to do it very well..
[21:01:40] <PetefromTn_> wow why is that so concave
[21:01:48] <zeeshan> surface prep
[21:01:50] <zeeshan> huge v
[21:02:04] <PetefromTn_> I put a good vee into mine too
[21:02:10] <zeeshan> not big enough :P
[21:02:10] <PetefromTn_> maybe I need to back off on that
[21:02:20] <PetefromTn_> on mine?
[21:02:33] <zeeshan> no i mean if you want his type of weld
[21:02:40] <zeeshan> you'd need to go even bgiger than you are right now
[21:02:48] <zeeshan> but you definitely need back purge
[21:02:56] <PetefromTn_> that does not look like a good thing to me tho right?
[21:03:06] <zeeshan> nahh
[21:03:13] <zeeshan> if you wanted to be a certified welder
[21:03:14] <PetefromTn_> I mean the spacing looks real good
[21:03:15] <zeeshan> you gotta do it like that
[21:03:21] <zeeshan> cause this guarantees 100% penetration
[21:03:36] <PetefromTn_> then they lay another bead over top right?
[21:03:39] <zeeshan> yes
[21:03:44] <PetefromTn_> ok
[21:03:58] <PetefromTn_> do you do this on the schedule 40 exhaust stuff?
[21:04:05] <zeeshan> no!
[21:04:13] <zeeshan> cause i dont need 100% penetration or strength
[21:04:14] <zeeshan> 80% is fine
[21:04:20] <zeeshan> its not worth the money in gas for me
[21:04:22] <zeeshan> or the customer
[21:04:26] <PetefromTn_> I wonder if toxicfab does..
[21:04:30] <zeeshan> definitely does
[21:05:45] <zeeshan> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/07/51/0c/07510c7a5ddc7d87ab76348e3aeb49f6.jpg
[21:05:48] <zeeshan> you can see the surface prep here
[21:06:09] <zeeshan> a grinder for V is okay
[21:06:12] <PetefromTn_> looks like a billet flange
[21:06:20] <jdh> I found/fixed a ~100 SCFH helium leak thr other day
[21:06:22] <zeeshan> but the problem is your v will be in consistent
[21:06:30] <zeeshan> and itll frigging throw your puddle off slightly
[21:06:35] <zeeshan> and make the weld look jagged
[21:06:51] <zeeshan> yea PetefromTn_ it is a billet flange
[21:06:54] <zeeshan> but im saying the prep for welding
[21:07:00] <PetefromTn_> another reason that belt grinder will come in handy
[21:07:16] <zeeshan> jdh
[21:07:19] <zeeshan> give me helium
[21:07:22] <zeeshan> i cant afford it!
[21:07:39] <PetefromTn_> you can use helium to superheat your welds
[21:07:44] <zeeshan> yes
[21:07:46] <zeeshan> for aluminum it comes handly
[21:07:50] <zeeshan> when my machine is too small
[21:07:51] <zeeshan> :(
[21:07:52] <jdh> it will be quite a cost savings
[21:08:39] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[21:08:39] <zeeshan> YES
[21:08:45] <zeeshan> i finally found a pic of toxic fab
[21:08:49] <zeeshan> not being a robot
[21:08:51] <zeeshan> http://i43.tinypic.com/2mguvcz.jpg
[21:08:56] <zeeshan> look inthe very middle
[21:09:01] <zeeshan> he even overheated his weld!
[21:09:01] <zeeshan> :D
[21:09:13] <zeeshan> nm.
[21:09:23] <zeeshan> :-(
[21:09:36] <PetefromTn_> I don't see anything
[21:09:40] <zeeshan> yea nm!
[21:09:40] <zeeshan> lol
[21:09:45] <PetefromTn_> but the guys definitely NOT a robot
[21:09:51] <zeeshan> im trying to find a damn picture
[21:09:55] <zeeshan> where he's screwed up
[21:10:00] <PetefromTn_> he's kinda a tatted up skinny guy LOL
[21:10:05] <zeeshan> YES
[21:10:06] <zeeshan> YES YES
[21:10:10] <zeeshan> his aluminum welding
[21:10:27] <PetefromTn_> freaking glorious right
[21:11:04] <zeeshan> http://i43.tinypic.com/24gvyx4.jpg
[21:11:05] <zeeshan> robot
[21:11:06] <zeeshan> haha
[21:11:16] <zeeshan> but thats an easy weld
[21:11:17] <zeeshan> i can even do that
[21:11:26] <zeeshan> http://i41.tinypic.com/35a1v94.jpg
[21:11:28] <zeeshan> this one is harder :P
[21:11:53] <PetefromTn_> I'm not seeing any of these pics
[21:11:58] <zeeshan> whats happening
[21:12:31] <PetefromTn_> just a page with nothing there LOL
[21:12:39] <PetefromTn_> except advertisements
[21:12:39] <zeeshan> lol
[21:12:42] <zeeshan> weird
[21:14:23] <PetefromTn_> how much post flow do you set on stainless like this?
[21:14:36] <zeeshan> 12 sec
[21:14:52] <PetefromTn_> Woah okay I am at like five LOL
[21:14:55] <zeeshan> haha
[21:14:57] <zeeshan> thats too little
[21:15:38] <PetefromTn_> okay will add more
[21:15:55] <zeeshan> the rule of thumb is
[21:15:58] <PetefromTn_> do you think I should make two passes on this Sch40 stuff
[21:16:02] <zeeshan> 1sec psot flow for every 10 amps
[21:16:06] <zeeshan> no
[21:16:29] <zeeshan> you know the rule of thumb for thickness ?
[21:16:47] <zeeshan> 1A per 1 thou?
[21:17:14] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[21:18:22] <PetefromTn_> it's a shame you are so far away we could probably do some cool stuff together.....but then again we might just kill each other too Hehehe
[21:18:36] <zeeshan> haha
[21:19:36] <zeeshan> one day id like to build a weld robot
[21:19:44] <zeeshan> thatd be sweeeeeeeeet
[21:19:51] <PetefromTn_> that pic you posted it is surprising how tight the heat zone is against the side of that weld
[21:20:05] <jdh> I'm putting in an automatic welder with 2 robots
[21:20:17] <zeeshan> jdh have you implemented a tig bot?
[21:20:21] <jdh> but, the robots don't weld...just material handling
[21:20:26] <zeeshan> youre at lincoln electric right?
[21:20:37] <jdh> not a bot, but I have two automated tig welders
[21:20:50] <jdh> heh...not hardly.
[21:20:57] <PetefromTn_> I thought you were kidding heh
[21:21:07] <zeeshan> haha
[21:21:17] <jdh> I weld tubing
[21:21:19] <zeeshan> nah PetefromTn_ -- id like to be able to do production runs for personal product
[21:21:25] <zeeshan> like car stuff
[21:21:33] <zeeshan> i dunno if i showed you this pic..
[21:21:33] <zeeshan> sec
[21:21:43] <jdh> or rather, I dont' weld shit... I have machines that weld 24x7
[21:21:49] <zeeshan> lol
[21:22:27] <PetefromTn_> what do they make?
[21:22:53] <flyback> anyone here deal with non linuxcnc machines with floppy drives?
[21:23:31] <jdh> cnc machines? or in general?
[21:23:38] <flyback> in general industral stuff
[21:23:44] <flyback> not just some pc you can replace or vm
[21:23:53] <flyback> just wanted to pass on some info a freenode oper told me
[21:24:02] <jdh> I have a few old machines with floppies
[21:24:08] <flyback> the guy that made hxc floppy emulator,
[21:24:11] <jdh> including a pair of PDP-11's
[21:24:26] <flyback> http://hxc2001.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator/
[21:24:36] <flyback> he ported his code to run on those $20 chinease floppy emulators
[21:24:37] <flyback> :)
[21:24:48] <flyback> so $20 and a $10-$20 tip to him and you are good
[21:25:01] <flyback> wait
[21:25:02] <flyback> jdh
[21:25:06] <flyback> how long have you had that nick
[21:25:14] <flyback> did you used to use it on linuxnet or undernet
[21:25:17] <jdh> 25 years?
[21:25:19] <flyback> OMG
[21:25:22] <flyback> IT COULD BE YOU
[21:25:29] <flyback> another lost irc soul
[21:25:32] <flyback> I was fishhead/i8086
[21:25:39] <jdh> uh oh
[21:25:53] <jdh> you were karl's buddy
[21:25:58] <flyback> heh
[21:25:59] <flyback> in quotes
[21:26:27] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan who's page is that photobucket account... DAMN that guys is an artist
[21:26:38] <zeeshan> not sure haha
[21:26:41] <flyback> I don't care if you hated my guts
[21:26:53] <flyback> my biggest regret in life is all the irc contact info I lost
[21:27:04] <flyback> so I take friends, enemies, anything to do with missing histgory
[21:27:35] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/zxsje
[21:27:37] <jdh> linuxnet was still around a few months ago anyway
[21:27:44] <zeeshan> pete this is the reason why i was like "damn i wish i had a tig welding robot"
[21:27:47] <flyback> ive turned into ajkroll
[21:28:16] <zeeshan> hours and hours of welding
[21:28:18] <flyback> I work for a computer consulting place handling all the difficult hw problems etc
[21:28:24] <flyback> data recovery stuff
[21:28:31] <PetefromTn_> they look great tho
[21:28:37] <jdh> z: those are yours?
[21:28:40] <PetefromTn_> I need to get there
[21:28:43] <flyback> anyways guys I just wanted to pass along this tip
[21:28:47] <zeeshan> yes jdh
[21:28:50] <flyback> cause his emulation sw is really nice
[21:28:51] <jdh> nice
[21:28:52] <zeeshan> oldddd pic
[21:28:59] <flyback> if you have old machines that you don't plan to get rid of
[21:29:03] <flyback> robot welders etc
[21:29:13] <zeeshan> flyback: youre not getting them
[21:29:17] <zeeshan> i already asked him for throw away things
[21:29:18] <zeeshan> :)
[21:29:19] <flyback> hehehehe
[21:29:21] <PetefromTn_> what did you use to polish them after welding?
[21:29:31] <zeeshan> wire wheel
[21:29:31] <zeeshan> LOL
[21:29:41] <flyback> zeeshan, http://hxc2001.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator/pictures/index.html
[21:29:42] <PetefromTn_> really..nice
[21:29:43] <flyback> jdh
[21:29:44] <zeeshan> yes
[21:29:47] <flyback> this is all the shit he has saved
[21:29:53] <zeeshan> couple guys wanteed polished
[21:29:58] <zeeshan> but i sent those out
[21:30:12] * flyback bites zeeshan
[21:30:18] <flyback> don'tg I know you from somewhere also
[21:30:23] <flyback> fucking going senile at 41 sucks
[21:30:26] <zeeshan> efnet electronics?
[21:30:31] <flyback> oh yeah
[21:30:32] <flyback> thx
[21:30:35] <zeeshan> i think you got banned :P
[21:30:39] <t12> lol
[21:30:45] <t12> everyone gets banned from efnet electronics
[21:30:47] <t12> also math
[21:30:50] <zeeshan> i did too! :{
[21:30:57] <zeeshan> it's cause people like renesis are ops
[21:30:58] <t12> lack of seriousness
[21:31:00] <renesis> because you were an ass
[21:31:01] <t12> no jokes allowed
[21:31:07] <flyback> t12 na blackmoon got laid I think
[21:31:13] <flyback> he's lightened up a bit
[21:31:16] <renesis> like a decade ago
[21:31:24] * flyback still hasn't had that privledge
[21:31:27] <renesis> and flyback gets banned from #electronics like every other week
[21:31:28] <flyback> probably never will
[21:31:42] <renesis> just go to a hooker
[21:31:46] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: im not gonna lie at all
[21:31:47] <renesis> also you troll moon
[21:31:50] <zeeshan> but when i was doing that stuff
[21:31:51] <flyback> i rather die a virgin than pass on the brakage anyways
[21:31:52] <PetefromTn_> hell I'd like to have a welding rotary fixture
[21:32:05] <flyback> I am going to go out like ripley at the end of alien 3
[21:32:09] <renesis> flyback: you know you can fuck without the babeh thing
[21:32:13] <flyback> holding into the little fucker till I die
[21:32:22] <zeeshan> i got sick of it
[21:32:22] <zeeshan> :(
[21:32:38] <PetefromTn_> I am sure it gets old just like anything else
[21:32:56] <PetefromTn_> right now I am kinda stunned at what they are getting for completed Tig welded parts LOL
[21:32:56] <zeeshan> like i really enjoy welding
[21:33:00] <zeeshan> like the other day you made me go do some
[21:33:07] <zeeshan> but when youre doing like 100s of the same weld
[21:33:14] <flyback> jdh, zeeshan http://hxc2001.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator/index.html#intro
[21:33:16] <zeeshan> it sucks ass
[21:33:16] <flyback> emulation list
[21:33:21] <PetefromTn_> I actually find it therapeutic when I am not going nutz with a problem like today
[21:33:38] <renesis> yeah i dont mind busy work, low stress
[21:33:44] <zeeshan> what do you mean completed tig welded parts
[21:33:45] <PetefromTn_> like just screwing around practicing with the stainless fittings I was enjoying that
[21:33:47] <zeeshan> like the stuff they purchase?
[21:34:04] <flyback> man I am glad the industry got the same idea I got on my own
[21:34:10] <flyback> using 3d printers for sand mold
[21:34:15] <PetefromTn_> everyone who sells these damn turbo manifolds gets like a grand for them it seems....
[21:34:21] <zeeshan> yes :P
[21:34:26] <PetefromTn_> they gotta be beautiful tho
[21:34:26] <zeeshan> but at the end of they day , thats all they're doing right
[21:34:41] <zeeshan> usually they outsource their flanges
[21:34:45] <zeeshan> for machining etc
[21:34:45] <flyback> ford can't fap fast enough to their 3d printers for plastic and 3d printers for sand molds for metal parts
[21:34:50] <zeeshan> they specifically pipe fit
[21:34:50] <PetefromTn_> shit if I could get my skills up enough to get a grand for one I would be pretty fuckin' happy LOL
[21:35:04] <t12> i always find whenever i'm welding
[21:35:10] <t12> something about the setup is so un-ideal
[21:35:19] <t12> that it's going to come out like shit no matter what
[21:35:24] <t12> but its also never anything critical
[21:35:26] <PetefromTn_> t12 I know right...no matter what you do
[21:35:28] <zeeshan> t12 you gotta go watch a pro do it
[21:35:33] <zeeshan> you're doing it wrong
[21:35:33] <flyback> t12 better flux?
[21:35:42] <t12> i find its primarily positioning
[21:35:43] <zeeshan> !
[21:35:49] <t12> like i was welding up some steel tube frame stuff
[21:35:52] <zeeshan> dude i thought i was ok at welding
[21:35:53] <flyback> or mabye your welding rod is too impuire
[21:35:55] <t12> in a cramped room
[21:35:58] <zeeshan> when i saw the welder at school
[21:36:02] <zeeshan> and their welding table
[21:36:02] <t12> next to the floor
[21:36:03] <t12> upside down
[21:36:07] <zeeshan> i realized how STUPID my table is
[21:36:08] <t12> constrained
[21:36:23] <flyback> t12 no matter what
[21:36:26] <flyback> you have my respect
[21:36:26] <PetefromTn_> what kinda table did they have
[21:36:29] <flyback> weldiong is a art
[21:36:36] <t12> my dad was a boilermaker
[21:36:39] <zeeshan> http://www.edwardsdesignandfab.com/images/300_Weldsale_Welding_table.JPG
[21:36:40] <t12> lots and lots and lots of welding
[21:36:40] <flyback> cool
[21:36:42] <zeeshan> this one
[21:36:43] <zeeshan> dude
[21:36:47] <flyback> yeah and they have to be dead on
[21:36:51] <zeeshan> theres this clamp that goes through those square holes
[21:36:56] <t12> theres one weld thats partner
[21:36:57] <PetefromTn_> oh I have seen those.
[21:36:57] <flyback> or they have to say sorry to several dozen families
[21:37:00] <zeeshan> iyou can hold the part in any possible position
[21:37:01] <PetefromTn_> spensive!!
[21:37:01] <zeeshan> its crazy
[21:37:07] <t12> where one person welds around 180 degreess of a tube
[21:37:07] <zeeshan> infact the guy at school wont weld anything
[21:37:10] <zeeshan> unless its bolted down solid
[21:37:15] <t12> and someone else picks the arc up and finishes the other side
[21:37:15] <zeeshan> cause he says itll warp otherwise
[21:37:33] <zeeshan> orry
[21:37:35] <zeeshan> found the pic
[21:37:40] <flyback> there were a lot of midgit welders and mechanics in WW I and II
[21:37:42] <zeeshan> correct one:
[21:37:46] <flyback> must have made them proud
[21:37:46] <zeeshan> http://bluco.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/welding-table-for-equipment-rack.jpg
[21:37:51] <flyback> :D
[21:37:51] <zeeshan> it looks like that, but the holes are square
[21:37:52] <zeeshan> not round
[21:37:56] <flyback> once some of those planes were built
[21:38:00] <flyback> you couldn't get back in side
[21:38:02] <flyback> they could
[21:38:02] <zeeshan> and clamps look very similar to that
[21:38:09] <PetefromTn_> that is probably a $5k table
[21:38:18] <zeeshan> yep
[21:38:23] <zeeshan> and some asshole grinded to put an angle grinder through it
[21:38:24] <zeeshan> LOL
[21:38:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah that's not gonna happen over here LOL
[21:38:31] <zeeshan> im glad that it isn't my table
[21:38:37] <flyback> PetefromTn_, did you ever watch the diacovery show
[21:38:50] <flyback> where they would take the tail unit from scrapped jets and make this like 10k tablet
[21:38:53] <flyback> err table
[21:39:18] <PetefromTn_> I have seen lots of crazy stuff like that....making couches out of cars etc..
[21:39:18] <t12> lol all this idealist welding
[21:39:20] <flyback> I mean they were nice it looked like it was crafted not just cut up and sold
[21:39:32] <flyback> sadly a few weeks into the show, one of the 3 guys dropped dead
[21:39:36] <jdh> http://i.imgur.com/I03E0sa.jpg
[21:39:43] <zeeshan> nice!
[21:39:48] <zeeshan> robot?
[21:39:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah man
[21:39:53] <t12> finally got welding machine back in the house though
[21:39:55] <flyback> holy mother of canuck jdh
[21:39:59] <flyback> was that a weld?
[21:40:03] <jdh> nope, tennessee rednecks
[21:40:04] <t12> and actually bought all sizes of everything
[21:40:12] <jdh> Titanium
[21:40:19] <t12> bike frame?
[21:40:25] <jdh> yeah
[21:40:28] <flyback> what is that if it wasn't a weld
[21:40:30] <PetefromTn_> I gotta get my skills built up like that somehow...
[21:40:32] <zeeshan> i dont wanna put down that weld
[21:40:37] <zeeshan> but fillet welds are the easiest to do
[21:40:41] <flyback> i was going to say whoeever did it polished it up so well you could easily miss it
[21:40:43] <zeeshan> but welds are stupid hard
[21:40:57] <zeeshan> show me a butt weld!
[21:41:07] <jdh> everything is jigged, tacked, finished, polished
[21:41:13] <flyback> I get that ever time my IBS acts up zeeshan
[21:41:23] <PetefromTn_> I find that anywhere you have a flange or something to guide from I do well.. this tubing you really don't have anything but yourself to guide from
[21:41:57] <PetefromTn_> and the part is continually radiused so you have to constantly adjust your torch angle as you go.
[21:41:58] <jdh> my last Ti bike I sold had really nice welds (Seven in boston)
[21:42:29] <flyback> I heard titanium is a rigteous c*** to weld
[21:42:30] <PetefromTn_> so keeping everything tight, following the radius, and maintaining a straight line gets hard
[21:42:46] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: exactly man
[21:42:49] <zeeshan> butt welds are hard!!!
[21:42:53] <flyback> it's more canucked than zeeshan
[21:43:22] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/restoration-floor/tig-weld.jpg
[21:43:28] <PetefromTn_> which makes me so amazed when you see toxicfab and guys like that lay down INSANELY consistent ones..
[21:43:30] <zeeshan> just remember, you're better than this guy
[21:43:31] <zeeshan> :-)
[21:43:37] <zeeshan> everytime i do a crap one
[21:43:40] <zeeshan> i look at crappier ones!
[21:43:49] <PetefromTn_> LOL you didn't see that shit I did today HAHAHAHAHA
[21:44:01] <zeeshan> lol
[21:44:11] <flyback> I gave someone hell a few months ago because they had some few hundred $$$ welder
[21:44:11] <PetefromTn_> I almost wanted to apologize for it
[21:44:14] <flyback> and the fan had died
[21:44:20] <flyback> and they were just going to run it till it burned
[21:44:42] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: you know color isn't a good thing in a weld right?
[21:44:44] <PetefromTn_> like I said it was not pretty but it sure as hell should hold...
[21:44:55] <zeeshan> its only inthe car world where people love the color
[21:44:57] <PetefromTn_> it is in stainless right
[21:45:00] <zeeshan> noo
[21:45:12] <zeeshan> if you look at some work for santiary stuff like for food related
[21:45:16] <zeeshan> or food manufacturing
[21:45:23] <jdh> or nuclear fuel
[21:45:26] <zeeshan> all the color has to be removed, and the tubes polished
[21:45:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah but it's there after the weld no?
[21:45:43] <jdh> or welded with no color in a <5ppm weld box
[21:45:51] <zeeshan> cause the areqa where the color is, thats where your pipe will corrode
[21:46:01] <zeeshan> yes after the weld
[21:46:14] <zeeshan> im just saying the stuff you see by toxic fab for example
[21:46:22] <zeeshan> you'd never see that in a real application of stainless
[21:46:37] <zeeshan> jdh: why nuclear
[21:46:39] <zeeshan> didnt knoe that
[21:47:20] <jdh> unfriendly environment
[21:47:23] <zeeshan> http://www.bssa.org.uk/topics.php?article=2
[21:47:25] <PetefromTn_> http://s1123.photobucket.com/user/customdesign/media/12-28-12_2112.jpg.html ??
[21:47:29] <zeeshan> explains it well
[21:47:42] <zeeshan> yes thats a great weld
[21:47:47] <zeeshan> but the colors gotta go for sanitary :P
[21:48:01] <flyback> going to do the weekly shave, nice chatting
[21:48:15] <PetefromTn_> I am seriously hoping the back purge will help me get some of that coloration in there. the guys love that shit LOL
[21:48:28] <PetefromTn_> weekly?
[21:48:36] <PetefromTn_> hell I gotta do it every day LOL
[21:48:49] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: t hats the thing
[21:48:52] <zeeshan> its become so mainstream now
[21:48:57] <zeeshan> everyone thinks its a good thing
[21:48:59] <flyback> once a week when it reaches the 'I can feel it moving" stage
[21:49:00] <zeeshan> cause it looks pretty
[21:49:09] <PetefromTn_> sure does
[21:49:13] <zeeshan> but in reality, you're runing the high temp performance of the stainless
[21:49:22] <zeeshan> and corrosion resistance
[21:49:28] <zeeshan> (which is why people use em for exhaust manifolds to begin with!)
[21:49:33] <jdh> Pete: you can make a Tee with some long nipples and a plain NPT tee
[21:49:55] <flyback> that's what she said
[21:49:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah but I can't screw the damn thing into the argon bottle
[21:50:08] <jdh> sure you can.
[21:50:12] <zeeshan> how jdh
[21:50:14] <zeeshan> i wanna know too!
[21:50:19] <jdh> take the 580's off, put in the nipples
[21:50:21] <zeeshan> cause i struggled before i got the T to find a custom solution
[21:50:22] <PetefromTn_> show me don't tell me LOL
[21:50:29] <jdh> mount them on teh Tee... put one of the 580's on teh T
[21:51:02] <zeeshan> shit youre right
[21:51:09] <PetefromTn_> doesn't this have to be a high pressure setup tho?
[21:51:12] <zeeshan> the cg580 is on a PIPE nipple
[21:51:24] <jdh> I use HP brass or SS
[21:51:35] <PetefromTn_> got a pic?
[21:51:41] <jdh> I wouldn't use home depot stuff, but parker is fine
[21:51:45] <PetefromTn_> I can't envision what you mean
[21:51:46] <zeeshan> at t he end of the day
[21:51:49] <zeeshan> its cheaper to get t he T
[21:51:49] <zeeshan> :P
[21:51:58] <zeeshan> pete he's saying this:
[21:51:59] <zeeshan> http://www.esseti.co.nz/uploads/products/116/images_large/XG-ARLFG.jpg
[21:52:04] <zeeshan> unscrew the pipe nipple
[21:52:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah if the assholes you bought it from actually ship it
[21:52:13] <zeeshan> grab a T to screw that nipple into
[21:52:21] <zeeshan> then get 2 more nipples to go to your regulators
[21:52:38] <PetefromTn_> my reg does not look anything like that
[21:52:43] <flyback> I have seen those solid shileds too
[21:52:46] <flyback> using sand etc
[21:53:06] <flyback> I think it was a robot machine
[21:53:16] <flyback> laying down shield, weld, remove shield
[21:53:21] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/140514184508?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[21:53:30] <PetefromTn_> that is what mine look like
[21:53:42] <jdh> the 580 nipple is 1/4" npt on the reg
[21:53:43] <PetefromTn_> one is older and is round glass but same thing basically
[21:54:45] <PetefromTn_> so you are saying unscrew the whole nipple/tube from the side of the reg and use standard NPT pipe fittings/tees right
[21:54:58] <jdh> I put Parker ST quick connects on the 580's. THen I have T's, hoses, gauges, etc. with matching quick connects so I can mix and match gases
[21:55:13] <jdh> Pete:right, then put one of the 580's you took off in teh T also
[21:55:16] <PetefromTn_> PICS!!!
[21:57:37] <jdh> no good pics
[21:57:39] <jdh> http://www.artichoke.org/jjpg/fill.jpg
[21:57:45] <jdh> the reg on the bottom right
[21:58:15] <PetefromTn_> looks like origami LOL
[21:58:56] <jdh> that was an o2 reg, it had a 540, but same idea
[21:59:32] <zeeshan> lol jdh
[21:59:34] <zeeshan> youre right
[21:59:43] <zeeshan> mine has a 1/4" npt pipe going into -- just checked
[22:00:33] <zeeshan> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1978610249_4/High-Quality-HTP-Argon-Flow-Gas-Tig-meter-Flowmeter-Welding-Weld-Regulator.jpg
[22:00:36] <zeeshan> pete is this yours?
[22:00:51] <PetefromTn_> something like that
[22:00:59] <zeeshan> i like that style
[22:01:04] <zeeshan> with the ball that floats
[22:01:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah both of mine are like that
[22:01:26] <zeeshan> my one is like that
[22:01:27] <zeeshan> thje other is a gauge
[22:01:33] <zeeshan> ball is easier to read :P
[22:01:54] <zeeshan> jdh nice grow up
[22:02:22] <jdh> ?
[22:02:26] <zeeshan> what is that for?
[22:02:30] <zeeshan> filling smaller tanks
[22:02:33] <zeeshan> from a larger tank
[22:02:36] <zeeshan> aka transfer station?
[22:03:08] <jdh> fills everything
[22:03:49] <zeeshan> do you mix your own gases for diving?
[22:04:09] <jdh> compressor, banked nitrox, banked trimix, oxygen, helium, gas booster all go through the panel
[22:04:56] <zeeshan> how do you ensure you got the right mixturte
[22:05:18] <jdh> https://picasaweb.google.com/112430417093824344570/Booster#slideshow/5842404175386840802
[22:05:23] <jdh> more current version.
[22:05:34] <zeeshan> holy cow man
[22:05:36] <jdh> I have oxygen and helium analyzers
[22:05:36] <zeeshan> thats SERIOUS business
[22:05:45] <zeeshan> awesome!!
[22:08:38] <zeeshan> jdh do you use a regular car o2 sensor
[22:08:45] <zeeshan> for analyzing the oxygen concentration?
[22:08:54] <jdh> medical o2 sensors
[22:09:01] <zeeshan> is there a difference?
[22:09:07] <zeeshan> the the reason i ask is, one project i have on the list
[22:09:16] <zeeshan> is building a gas analyzer for the garage
[22:09:26] <jdh> what gas?
[22:09:43] <zeeshan> o2 , co2, co, hc, argon
[22:09:51] <zeeshan> and i know a bit weird
[22:09:52] <zeeshan> but propane
[22:09:53] <jdh> dunno what car sensors do. These put out ~10mV in air
[22:10:05] <jdh> 60mV in 100%o2
[22:10:23] <zeeshan> linear?
[22:10:30] <jdh> yeah
[22:11:37] <jdh> I generally put in old sensors that I rotate out of my rebreahter
[22:12:20] <jdh> sensors are $60-100 and are 1% at best. Not sure what you are looking for in an analyzer
[22:12:31] <zeeshan> well i was looking a complete system
[22:12:36] <zeeshan> and its way beyond my bduget lol
[22:12:39] <zeeshan> like 5k
[22:12:51] <zeeshan> if i could build a generic module wher ei can add sensors as i go
[22:12:54] <zeeshan> that'd work the best
[22:13:42] <jdh> 5k is cheap if it is anywhere near accurate
[22:14:30] <jdh> the lcd on the top has an rPi that does o2 and pressure
[22:15:14] <zeeshan> are you using an amplifier
[22:15:21] <zeeshan> to get the o2 voltage to a sane level
[22:15:33] <zeeshan> rpi has no adc from what i remember
[22:15:43] <jdh> no, I ditched the amps after rev1
[22:16:01] <jdh> I use 18bit i2c ADC's
[22:16:37] <zeeshan> cool
[22:16:42] <jdh> 2.048v vRef so it has way more precision than Ineed
[22:17:43] <jdh> http://tinyurl.com/nh8vs33 number on right is mV
[22:18:09] <zeeshan> wait
[22:18:14] <zeeshan> so youre feeding directly into the adc
[22:18:18] <zeeshan> without amplification
[22:19:14] <jdh> maybe. don't actually remember. Some of the ADC's I got had a programmable gain stage.
[22:19:48] <zeeshan> the ones i came across didnt only 128 gain
[22:19:49] <zeeshan> maxx
[22:19:56] <jdh> these are max 8
[22:19:58] <zeeshan> i remember looking for one for my strain gauge
[22:20:20] <jdh> with 18bits and low vRef, you don't need an amp
[22:22:39] * zeeshan is noob with electronics
[22:22:47] <jdh> 18bits on this adc maxes out at a few hz
[23:07:09] <flyback> * zeeshan is noob with electronics
[23:07:25] <flyback> that's ok, at least you aren't cana.......ah fuck.......nevermind
[23:08:05] <flyback> jdh kinda scary the times we live in eh?
[23:08:35] <flyback> you can get 27 axis acceleratometers for the price of a candy bar
[23:08:36] <flyback> heh
[23:09:41] <flyback> cool and scary at the same time
[23:09:56] <flyback> what's the sample rate on those i2c adc's
[23:11:44] <flyback> I seen co sensors for < $5
[23:14:27] <flyback> depends what accurcacy you need etc
[23:14:50] * flyback drops a pin
[23:27:21] <furrywolf> yay, mill moved to other side of shop. NOT EASY.
[23:28:55] <furrywolf> couldn't get the whole thing onto a piece of plywood, ended up using two half-sized pieces, since I could only jack up one side at a time (by sticking a digging bar under it and lifting up on the bar with a floor jack), then shoving it across the room on sections of 1" galv pipe, and getting it back off the plywood was even more fun...
[23:32:30] <zeeshan> nice furry!
[23:35:17] <furrywolf> the trick to getting it off was realizing that the notches in the side of the base were intended to be used for prying
[23:36:01] <zeeshan> lol
[23:36:06] <zeeshan> what did you think they were for?!?! :P
[23:36:38] <furrywolf> I didn't pay much attention to them until I was trying to figure out how to get it off the blocks I had it on. :P
[23:44:31] <furrywolf> http://lostcoastoutpost.com/2015/aug/20/first-wolf-pack-91-years-photographed-northern-cal/ cute! :)
[23:47:38] <flyback> how you been furrywolf
[23:48:57] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:49:02] <flyback> night