#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-08-16

[00:00:16] <furrywolf> looks like both are from the '60s or '70s. both seem to work perfectly, although I haven't stuck them on my torque gauge yet.
[00:00:36] <XXCoder> oldest machine I ever seen was 1902
[00:00:49] <XXCoder> guy said its been working constantly since it was new in that shop
[00:01:26] <XXCoder> theres another vastly newer machine (2012) machine that was in its own room and needs to be fixed often
[00:01:26] <furrywolf> heh
[00:01:42] <Wolf_> lol typical
[00:01:47] <furrywolf> I think my brown&sharpe is around mid '40s to mid '50s from what I found googling.
[00:01:51] <XXCoder> I was there at 2013 so it already celibrated its 100th birthday
[00:03:43] <XXCoder> "problem often" may be 2 or 3 times a year, but hey if theres another at 100+ years mark with no problem, its very often comparing. lol
[00:29:35] <furrywolf> grrrr. why is "turn down the fucking music when it's bedtime" so difficult for people?
[00:30:41] <furrywolf> I sometimes listen to loud music. When it gets dark out, I TURN IT OFF. this isn't hard.
[00:30:52] * zeeshan wishes i lived near furry
[00:30:58] * zeeshan would blast music right now
[00:31:33] <XXCoder> put lots rocks in bucket
[00:31:45] <XXCoder> use big drill in it for white noise? lol
[00:32:14] <furrywolf> zeeshan-lab: because you're an asshole who likes ruining other people's days?
[00:42:49] <PetefromTn_> Okay so I got all the downstairs outlets and switches swapped out that we have ones for
[00:43:31] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna need a total of 8 three way switches to get all the switches in the house swapped over.
[00:44:24] <PetefromTn_> The good news is that I bought two contractor packs of the regular switches so I can take one back and probably get money back enough to pay for most of the 3 ways
[00:44:38] <PetefromTn_> dunno if they sell a contractor pack of those babies
[00:45:07] <PetefromTn_> but I am gonna need two more contractor packs of the new style outlets for the upstairs.
[00:45:51] <PetefromTn_> right now my hands are sore from all that screwdriver/pliers/hand bending thick wires so gonna take a chill pill and watch some TV until I fall asleep ;)
[00:46:17] <XXCoder> dont overdose on that
[00:46:18] <PetefromTn_> it sure does look nice and new everywhere you can see them tho
[00:46:20] <XXCoder> but cool :)
[00:49:28] <PetefromTn_> gotta setup to do some more anodizing tomorrow after we show the house to some potential customers
[00:50:21] <XXCoder> nice
[00:50:31] <XXCoder> making anaozing progress then?
[00:50:37] <XXCoder> last time you had to go to pro shop
[00:50:59] <PetefromTn_> well I went to the Pro shop because I just plain ran out of time
[00:51:17] <XXCoder> any pics of latest test?
[00:51:18] <deep_pink_> good night :)
[00:51:27] <PetefromTn_> I was getting better with each one but the consistency was not there and I started having some issues with spots
[00:51:40] <PetefromTn_> latest test of what?
[00:51:49] <PetefromTn_> deep_pink_ Goodnight
[00:52:22] <XXCoder> anodizing
[00:53:03] <PetefromTn_> have not done anything with it since then so no pics yet
[00:53:15] <PetefromTn_> once I get these parts done I will post some pics maybe
[00:53:16] <XXCoder> oh ok. have good relaxing time
[00:56:00] <XXCoder> :)
[00:56:01] <PetefromTn_> I did start cutting materials for that sick cool 2x47" bench belt grinder today
[00:56:29] <PetefromTn_> I just happened to have a short piece of drop thick walled tube for the main frame
[00:57:08] <PetefromTn_> I also have enough steel tubing for the sliding bits and I think I have enough angle iron for the vertical platen setup
[00:57:27] <PetefromTn_> after I get all this other stuff done I will play with it some more.
[00:57:50] <PetefromTn_> Can't wait to be able to use one and see just how badly it kicks my little chinese belt/disk sander's butt...
[00:58:08] <Wolf_> I need to make one of them too
[00:58:13] <PetefromTn_> 2x72" actually
[00:58:30] <PetefromTn_> it is such a simple good design I don't see why not right!
[00:59:01] <XXCoder> making bench belt grinder?
[00:59:05] <PetefromTn_> even if all I ever used it for was champfering and deburring tubing and steel bar/plate I cut here it would be worth the trouble of building it
[00:59:08] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[00:59:18] <XXCoder> ok
[00:59:44] <Wolf_> I might not make one quite so big tho
[00:59:59] <PetefromTn_> big?
[01:00:06] <PetefromTn_> it's a benchtop machine
[01:00:25] <PetefromTn_> does not appear to be all that much bigger than the chinese POS I am using now
[01:01:50] <PetefromTn_> I have this nice stand I made that holds up my bench grinder/buffer and the chinese POS..
[01:02:14] <PetefromTn_> If I want to add this new belt grinder to it I will probably have to modify it a little bit for more stability/weight
[01:02:20] <PetefromTn_> but it should be nice to have there
[01:02:59] <PetefromTn_> I watched another video today of a guy using a leather strop belt and some special compound to quickly sharpen a blade. Seemed to work awesome
[01:03:03] <Wolf_> I have a bunch stuff I need to make, stands for grinder, bolt my tubing bender down, make a stand for my hydraulic crimper
[01:04:23] <PetefromTn_> it never ends does it hehe
[01:04:50] <Wolf_> never does lol
[01:04:56] <XXCoder> never indeed
[01:04:59] <PetefromTn_> brb
[01:47:51] <deep_pink_> I've been today at harbor freight, and i saw the bandsaw with the stand but It's to big for my apartment
[01:48:18] <deep_pink_> I mran to this saw http://www.harborfreight.com/horizontal-vertical-metal-cutting-bandsaw-93762.html
[01:48:23] <Wolf_> they take up a lot of room
[01:49:25] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:49:44] <deep_pink_> I see now the small grizzly one
[01:49:55] <deep_pink_> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Portable-Bandsaw-with-Stand/G8692
[01:51:12] <XXCoder> time to take a place to live that is... less apt-like?
[01:51:49] <deep_pink_> XXCoder: it will take time..
[01:52:12] <Wolf_> thats sorta what I suggested when I heard apartment, port band, build tables for it
[01:52:59] <Wolf_> I have some 900lbs wilton bandsaw in my shop
[01:53:41] <deep_pink_> WOW
[01:54:56] <trentster> any suggestions for ball nose bits for detailed work 2mm to 6mm for general use
[01:55:24] <Wolf_> really not too big, 101” x 3/4” blade
[01:57:07] <trentster> opinions on HSS vs Tian coated vs solid carbide
[01:57:53] <trentster> I would rather get more bits for my buck vs 1 x Onstrud exceptional quality
[01:58:24] <archivist> trentster, depends on what you are cutting, your machine and likely hood to break them
[01:59:05] <trentster> archivist: I have never used ball nose bits before and want to start getting some experience with them, material will probably be hard woods to start
[01:59:20] <trentster> Likelyhood of breakage may be high during learning phase
[01:59:40] <Wolf_> HSS then, why spend extra?
[02:00:11] <archivist> 2mm is a bit small for wood
[02:00:27] <trentster> Wolf_: yeah I was kinda following the same thinking - so HSS Chinese cheapies to start vs HSS big brand?
[02:00:57] <trentster> archivist: wanted to get a couple different sizes probably 4mm and 6mm will be the right size
[02:05:25] <Wolf_> so bored… think I’ll go make the gas strut counter balance for my x1
[02:06:55] <XXCoder> cool
[02:07:01] <XXCoder> or build my cnc router lol
[02:07:30] <Wolf_> sorry can’t, don’t have enough 80/20 for a 4x8 :P
[02:07:40] <XXCoder> lol
[02:08:20] <Wolf_> I have 4x 33” the ball truck rails and 1”x2” extrude for a small one tho
[02:08:31] <Wolf_> s/the/THK
[02:08:51] <archivist> I finally made the nut for a milling machine jack I have had for 10-20 years :)
[02:08:51] <XXCoder> nice. I has now useless sbr20, sbr16 and sbr 12
[02:08:56] <XXCoder> dunno what to do with em
[02:10:03] <Wolf_> why are they useless?
[02:10:23] <trentster> I am also looking to buy a new spindle + VFD are the Chinese water cooled stuff with the german bearings ok'ish or would you guys avoid them?
[02:10:23] <XXCoder> wel I planned to build wood frame cnc router
[02:10:34] <XXCoder> but I got job so I just bought cnc router frame
[02:10:46] <Wolf_> ahh
[02:11:33] <Wolf_> if you have a frame why do you need someone to build one? :P
[02:11:44] <XXCoder> oh its much smaller one lol
[02:12:23] <Wolf_> lol, that will do it, I was going to do a one 2x4’
[02:12:27] <XXCoder> the sbr rails is for smaller one
[02:13:28] <Wolf_> time to go look and see what alum stock I have laying around in the shop lol
[02:14:14] <XXCoder> though it could be useful for making laser cnc
[02:14:47] <XXCoder> its way overkill but its so strong all I need to do is make sure sbrs is parallel and rigid enough to not to sway lol
[02:16:01] <XXCoder> designed a laser cnc?>
[02:16:37] <trentster> XXCoder: what did you settle with for the laser - you going the C02 route?
[02:16:51] <XXCoder> oh its just vague plan for future
[02:17:00] <XXCoder> my cnc router need to work first
[02:17:02] <trentster> ah ok
[02:17:18] <XXCoder> even then it may be still useless if I can attach laser to that cnc router frame
[02:17:38] <trentster> what frame did you buy?
[02:18:03] <XXCoder> a sec
[02:18:33] <trentster> I am thinking of making a laser cutter I have a ton of series 10 extrusion in the garage - and don't have anything to do with it. should be just fine for a lser cutter even tho its only series 10
[02:19:16] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wood-Lathe-3040-Cnc-Router-Milling-Machine-with-43mm-bracket-Mechanical-Kit-Aluminium-Alloy-Frame/32279070195.html
[02:19:18] <XXCoder> yeah
[02:19:26] <XXCoder> all it needs to do is NOT sway while moving
[02:19:31] <XXCoder> boom rigid enough
[02:20:10] <trentster> XXCoder: nice - it looks solid
[02:20:18] <XXCoder> yeah
[02:20:26] <XXCoder> too bad it can only hold 43 mm
[02:20:38] <XXCoder> unless I make holder for say 53 mm for actual spindle
[02:20:43] <trentster> yeah got a small footprint but hey its a great/decent start
[02:21:25] <trentster> and you can use it for small cnc router if you pop a 400w spindle in there
[02:21:43] <XXCoder> cant
[02:21:52] <trentster> why not?
[02:21:56] <XXCoder> 43 mm diameter limit for spindle which is nonexistant
[02:22:06] <XXCoder> I got router that do fit it though
[02:23:47] <Deejay> moin
[02:28:54] <XXCoder> once I figure how it works and so on
[02:29:15] <trentster> XXCoder: dont you have a maker space near you you could go to and someone could help you modify it - its should not be a big job to do
[02:29:32] <XXCoder> all maker spaces near me is way too expensive
[02:30:39] <trentster> XXCoder: sometimes they have open evenings and you can visit and people will help you out etc.
[02:30:46] <XXCoder> I suppose
[02:30:59] <trentster> XXCoder: what the spacing between the mount holes on your current mount there?
[02:31:18] <XXCoder> roughly 55 mm
[02:32:21] <trentster> yeah thats a tough size - hmm
[02:32:29] <XXCoder> yeah
[02:32:38] <trentster> ok I gotta run to dinner I will give it a think
[02:32:39] <XXCoder> im thinking it would "grow"
[02:32:53] <XXCoder> so it can hold spindle near its size
[02:39:34] <XXCoder> trent whats bit odd is that it has 3 sets of mount screws but only use one
[03:17:54] <Wolf_> well, that mount idea was almost good, except that I forgot about the Z handwheel
[03:19:36] <XXCoder> what issue was it?
[03:20:40] <Wolf_> on the x1 the Z axis screw and hand wheel is on the back of the column, totally forgot about it when I dreaming up my mount
[03:21:57] <XXCoder> can be modified to account for that?
[03:21:58] <Wolf_> doing the air springs extending down in the column with a steel cable and pulley on it
[03:23:01] <Wolf_> well I’m going to cnc the thing so re-designing the plate that goes on the column to hold the air springs and also serve as the stepper mount plate
[03:23:30] <XXCoder> cool
[04:16:50] <Wolf_> hmm, think a 1405 ball screw is enough for a x1 Z axis?
[04:23:27] <XXCoder> dunno
[04:23:39] <XXCoder> though don't give any werewolf full moons. http://www.optipess.com/comics/2013-03-22-438_Moon-Revenge.png
[05:57:37] <trentster> XXCoder: yeah it is very odd - I have that spindle currently and hate the way it works with 3 sets but only one is used.
[05:58:14] <trentster> I did make a custom mounting plate for it on current machine - so I can interchange quickly once I get a higher power spindle.
[05:58:54] <trentster> Still waiting for anyone here to give some spindle advice
[06:00:04] <jthornton> no one is awake here
[06:10:47] <archivist> all asleep or down the pub
[06:11:34] <archivist> or even making stuff
[06:22:08] <trentster> archivist: all 3 of those are good places to be
[06:42:20] <jthornton> fenn, you around?
[06:42:49] <jthornton> I get a validation error Line 68, Column 13: there is no attribute "VALUE" <BODY value="Expand Documents" onload="return expanddoc(this)">
[08:04:13] <archivist> jthornton, try without that see what it does
[08:05:00] <jthornton> I did and did not see any difference
[08:05:28] <jthornton> I did notice that all the generated html docs are xhtml but the index is not
[08:06:46] <archivist> I have a version on my box too , removing that reduces it to 43 errors
[08:36:22] <archivist> jthornton, thats better!
[08:37:37] <archivist> and the manpage section expands cleanly now too
[08:40:33] <jthornton> yes, I got rid of the .ext for the man pages thanks to a tip from jepler
[08:41:12] <archivist> I use the validator to find my bugs :)
[08:41:33] <jthornton> that's what I'm doing now to get it to validate as xhtml
[08:53:35] <jthornton> now it starts out expanded :(
[09:13:07] <archivist> jthornton, when you think about onload="return expanddoc(this) that seems what you are asking for
[09:14:54] <jthornton> yes, but I think I just need to add display='none' to each one
[09:15:51] <furrywolf> what're you working on?
[09:16:06] <archivist> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/
[09:16:37] <furrywolf> ohh, documentation good!
[09:16:47] <furrywolf> thank you for actually writing some. :)
[09:18:20] <Tom_itx> jthornton, but you had it workig so good...
[09:21:16] <archivist> jthornton, Ifixtit http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/linuxcnc/docs/2.7/index.html
[09:21:39] <archivist> <BODY onload="return expanddoc('Expand Documents')">
[09:21:57] <archivist> which is actually the inverse :(
[09:22:27] <Tom_itx> you can see it close it if you look carefully
[09:23:37] <Tom_itx> not after it's buffered
[09:23:41] * furrywolf doesn't quite see the point of expanding/collapsing it
[09:23:55] <Tom_itx> it allows you to see the whole list
[09:23:58] <Tom_itx> if you want
[09:24:30] <Tom_itx> i couldn't remember where some of the topics were hidden
[09:24:52] <jthornton> archivist, thanks
[09:25:14] <fenn> it might be easier to just use a table of contents with links to each section
[09:25:26] <furrywolf> yes, mean, I don't see the point of ever collapsing it.
[09:25:41] <fenn> the <body value="blah blah"> stuff was just an experiment, i don't think it had any effect and can be removed
[09:25:45] <furrywolf> it's two screenfulls, not exactly hard to skim the sections. :)
[09:25:47] <Tom_itx> to hide it for those that don't want it expanded
[09:26:51] * jthornton goes off to stack landscaping blocks... what fun
[09:26:59] <furrywolf> probably one screenfull if I ever get my other laptop usable. heh.
[09:27:01] <fenn> jthornton: don't add "display=none" to each, the whole point of the patch was to remove that! it makes the entire page hidden if you have javascript disabled
[09:29:16] <furrywolf> on a completely unrelated note, apparantly when they say 7A max on the outlet on the back of your wobblelight, it means you shouldn't plug your 12" chopsaw into it. had to resolder one of the terminals on the PCB. just in case anyone else tries it. :)
[09:31:21] <archivist> a 3A fuse was not happy with my vacuum cleaner :)
[09:31:51] <furrywolf> heh
[09:32:10] <furrywolf> I suspect it was a defective pcb... looked like cold solder joints, and had RoHS marked on it.
[09:32:20] <furrywolf> I fixed it with 60/40, and it looked much nicer.
[09:32:51] <archivist> this safety lark is making stuff unsafe
[09:33:19] <furrywolf> it's also increasing pollution by causing goods to fail early, resulting in more landfill waste and more pollution replacing them.
[09:34:40] <Tom_itx> my first washing machine lasted me 25-30 yrs
[09:34:48] <archivist> been soldering with the real stuff since the 1960's, not killed me yet or sent me to the funny farm
[09:34:51] <Tom_itx> replaced it with a new one that lasted maybe 5
[09:35:09] <Tom_itx> replaced that with a new one and after 1.5 yrs the bearings are going
[09:35:14] <furrywolf> that's only because the men in white coats haven't caught you yet. :)
[09:35:19] <fenn> i for one am glad there aren't huge quantities of lead and cadmium being tossed about willy nilly in every consumer product
[09:35:52] <archivist> people dont eat consumer products
[09:35:52] <fenn> nobody's coming for the hobbyist's soldering iron
[09:36:16] <fenn> consumer products end up in all sorts of places they shouldn't, simply due to there being a lot of them
[09:37:09] <fenn> they get run over by cars and eaten by animals and submerged in vats of goo that dissolves the lead
[09:38:14] <fenn> i have seen so many cellphones smashed to dust on the pavement
[09:38:31] <fenn> and then that dust goes into your home and turns your children into criminals
[09:38:54] <fenn> so deal with it
[09:39:42] <furrywolf> lol
[09:40:07] <furrywolf> sure it's not the chemtrails causing your children to get autism? :P
[09:40:52] <malcom2073> Nah chemtrails are controlling their minds, vaccines are causing autism, remember?
[09:40:53] <malcom2073> :P
[09:41:24] <fenn> go snort some lead dust then, it's perfectly safe
[09:41:52] <Tom_itx> i had a jar of mercury i played with as a kid
[09:42:07] <furrywolf> and look how you turned out! :P
[09:42:30] <malcom2073> heh
[09:42:47] <Tom_itx> live in a house with lead paint and asbestos walls :D
[09:42:49] <Tom_itx> jk
[09:43:43] <Tom_itx> wiht radon oozing from the basement cracks
[09:46:59] <furrywolf> I wish I had a basement.
[09:47:04] <furrywolf> if I did, it'd be a hardware store now. heh.
[09:47:17] <Tom_itx> i did too so i dug one
[09:47:50] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/1.jpg
[09:48:53] <furrywolf> here that's how you get a well. :P
[09:52:41] <archivist> ex boss did that to the clockworks, was a small church
[09:53:07] <archivist> he thinks he took out many tons
[09:53:36] <furrywolf> anyone in the US here ever have something printed and bound at kinko's/fedex office? any idea of prices? their website doesn't have any, and they're not open yet so I can't call.
[09:54:44] <furrywolf> found a scan of the maintenance manual for my b&s mill online, thinking of having it printed and velobound so I can leave it with the mill.
[09:59:21] <archivist> using your own laser printer might be a lot cheaper
[10:00:13] <furrywolf> yes, by the time I did one out of storage, make it work (may need toner), move it here, use it, lug it back to storage (all with my tweeked back), etc, it'll be two hours of time to save a few bucks. heh.
[10:02:19] <furrywolf> s/did/dig
[10:56:58] <fenn> furrywolf: you could try out my friend's publishing service (it's a front-end to lulu.com to make it easier to print just 1 book) https://publishing.za3k.com/faq
[11:04:20] <deep_pink_> hi
[11:09:00] <Deejay> hi
[11:10:32] <deep_pink_> hi Deejay
[11:10:45] <Deejay> hi pink :)
[11:13:23] <deep_pink_> i need to decide which band saw to buy
[11:13:38] <deep_pink_> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Portable-Bandsaw-with-Stand/G8692
[11:13:40] <deep_pink_> or
[11:14:03] <deep_pink_> http://www.harborfreight.com/portable-variable-speed-bandsaw-47840.html
[11:15:37] <fenn> the grizzly one looks more heavily built
[11:15:51] <fenn> you might find it difficult to accurately cut with a 40 pound tool
[11:16:11] <fenn> i would get a horizontal bandsaw instead
[11:17:13] <deep_pink_> the grizzly id indentical to the HF one
[11:17:18] <deep_pink_> just with stand
[11:17:59] <fenn> they aren't identical, look at the handle
[11:18:22] <fenn> anyway you should get this instead: http://www.harborfreight.com/horizontal-vertical-metal-cutting-bandsaw-93762.html
[11:19:12] <deep_pink_> fenn: I'm also want it, but I dont have room for it,
[11:22:47] <JT-Shop> now I'm in the dog house... kennel lady texted my wife saying she found a dog for us and I said I don't want another dog right now
[11:23:38] <malcom2073> fenn: Does harbor freight still undersize their motor ratings?
[11:23:55] <fenn> i haven't ordered anything from HF for a long time
[11:24:00] <malcom2073> My dad got one of those 5-6 years ago, wound up having to replace the motor since it kept overheating and couldn't keep up
[11:24:04] <malcom2073> once he replaced the motor it ran great thoguh
[11:24:34] <fenn> yeah that's something to keep in mind, you can't really replace a motor in one of those "portable" bandsaws
[11:24:53] <fenn> they are loud because they have a fan
[11:32:08] <fenn> the grizzly G8692 portable bandsaw looks better than the harbor freight 47840 portable bandsaw because it comes with a stand and it's not made by harbor freight
[11:32:32] <fenn> but they are pretty similar in operation
[11:35:03] <fenn> you aren't cutting fence posts or steam pipes so you will almost always be using the stand
[11:36:19] <deep_pink_> I'm thinking to take the HF and make a stand for it. with drill press vise.
[11:36:33] <fenn> why?
[11:37:28] <deep_pink_> the grizzly stand buld very cheap, and with the 20% cupon I can get the HF for $80
[11:38:03] <deep_pink_> the grizzly cost more than 2 times
[11:38:37] <Rab> deep_pink_, why not just get a vertical bandsaw?
[11:39:13] <deep_pink_> Rab: I want somthing that cut stock materials.
[11:39:41] <fenn> most vertical bandsaws are built for cutting wood and go too fast
[11:40:30] <fenn> they usually don't have ball bearing blade guides
[11:41:46] <Rab> Something about the guard on this saw makes my fingers flinch: http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/for/5091627581.html
[11:42:00] <fenn> also takes up as much floor space as a horizontal bandsaw
[11:42:02] <Rab> Cool old machine, though.
[11:42:20] <fenn> not heavy duty enough :P
[11:44:01] <fenn> actually the casting that holds the blade guides is pretty thick
[11:44:05] <malcom2073> Go to auctions, you can pick up large bandsaws for cheap sometimes
[11:44:55] <zeeshan|2> lim really thinking i wanna add a 4th axis to my machine
[11:45:01] <zeeshan|2> this job would be quicker with one
[11:45:09] <zeeshan|2> i cant find a cheap rotary table though
[11:45:10] <zeeshan|2> :(
[11:46:47] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: My dad jus sold one :/;
[11:46:52] <malcom2073> Manual though
[11:47:02] <zeeshan|2> howq much
[11:47:06] <malcom2073> $150, 8"
[11:47:10] <zeeshan|2> jeez
[11:47:12] <zeeshan|2> i woulda bought that
[11:47:17] <zeeshan|2> i just need to bolt a servo to it
[11:47:30] <zeeshan|2> i wired my control for 5 axis
[11:47:35] <zeeshan|2> so all the wiring work is done
[11:47:45] <malcom2073> How quick do you need one? I think my dad is building a second 4th axis out of a harmonic drive soon
[11:47:53] <zeeshan|2> like wednesday
[11:47:56] <zeeshan|2> of next week
[11:48:04] <malcom2073> HAH NO
[11:48:06] <malcom2073> Oops
[11:48:07] <malcom2073> capslock
[11:48:08] <zeeshan|2> :P
[11:48:13] <malcom2073> https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/l/t31.0-8/10959138_835518176512489_8769699971561166735_o.jpg
[11:48:33] <zeeshan|2> what is going on there
[11:48:37] <zeeshan|2> oh harmonic drive
[11:48:39] <malcom2073> yeah
[11:48:43] <malcom2073> Ebay find
[11:49:02] <fenn> gearbox abuse
[11:49:25] <malcom2073> Meh, it has cross roller bearings, it'll be fine :P
[11:49:32] <fenn> 6 inches overhang on a 1 inch shaft
[11:50:35] <malcom2073> It's all low speed stuff anyway, works great. I want a trunion table made out of it though
[11:50:59] <fenn> zeeshan|2 make one out of a pupu platter and stepper motor from an inkjet printer
[11:51:10] <zeeshan|2> fenn: no
[11:51:18] <fenn> you can use hot glue for alignment
[11:51:18] <zeeshan|2> i want it to hand serious cutting loads
[11:51:24] <zeeshan|2> dont troll me!!!!!!!1
[11:51:27] <zeeshan|2> IM THE TROLLER!
[11:51:30] <malcom2073> Hah
[11:52:41] <zeeshan|2> maybe i dont need 4th axis for this job
[11:52:44] <zeeshan|2> i got an idea.
[11:53:30] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/4VqNPTe.jpg
[11:53:43] <zeeshan|2> so these come to a certain size wood block
[11:53:49] <zeeshan|2> rectangular.
[11:54:00] <zeeshan|2> so if i extend the block so i have a square at the very end
[11:54:13] <zeeshan|2> i can literally hold this part sideways in the vise
[11:54:17] <zeeshan|2> and index it using the block
[11:54:21] <zeeshan|2> to get all four sides
[11:54:31] <malcom2073> It's wood, so should be accurate enough
[11:54:35] <zeeshan|2> yes
[11:54:59] <malcom2073> Would be much cooler to have a 4th axis though :-D
[11:55:15] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/OTAo12b.jpg
[11:55:17] <zeeshan|2> i still gotta fix this
[11:55:23] <zeeshan|2> but simulation shows it can be done
[11:55:38] <zeeshan|2> he's finish sanding by hand anyway
[11:55:45] <zeeshan|2> so if there is a small jagged edge to to indexing error
[11:55:47] <zeeshan|2> it should be ok
[11:56:01] <zeeshan|2> or i might just get a rotary table
[11:56:06] <zeeshan|2> and index it 90 degrees manually
[11:57:52] <fenn> if you flip and rotate 90 degrees it should have the same contact points and align correctly
[11:58:03] <zeeshan|2> thats the thing
[11:58:08] <zeeshan|2> i got 40 of em to do
[11:58:11] <zeeshan|2> with maybe another 40
[11:58:29] <zeeshan|2> actually nm
[11:58:32] <zeeshan|2> youre right
[11:58:50] <fenn> this issue comes up all the time with circuit boards
[11:58:51] <zeeshan|2> but i will need a stop to butt it up against after the 90 degree flip
[11:59:00] <fenn> yes
[11:59:03] <zeeshan|2> and also recenter one axis
[11:59:10] <fenn> a wide stop, not some dinky pin
[11:59:13] <zeeshan|2> but maybe i can use a transform command in cam
[11:59:38] <zeeshan|2> 180 degrees, the Y axis for example will be the same width
[11:59:43] <zeeshan|2> but 90 degrees out itll be skinnier
[11:59:46] <zeeshan|2> so i need to compensate
[11:59:49] <zeeshan|2> but hmm
[11:59:52] <zeeshan|2> if i use symmetry
[11:59:53] <zeeshan|2> it wont matter
[12:01:43] <Rab> zeeshan|2, handgrip?
[12:02:20] <zeeshan|2> yes
[12:02:24] <deep_pink_> zeeshan|2: what is that 3d model?
[12:02:26] <Rab> zeeshan|2, for a firearm?
[12:02:43] <zeeshan|2> sex touy
[12:02:47] <zeeshan|2> if you guys want one
[12:02:51] <zeeshan|2> let me know
[12:02:56] <Rab> furiously adding to cart
[12:03:04] <malcom2073> Lol
[12:03:06] <malcom2073> Furiously
[12:17:15] <deep_pink_> zeeshan|2: are you serious about that
[12:17:22] <zeeshan|2> yes, you want one?
[12:18:32] <deep_pink_> zeeshan|2: what is the benefits of it compare to the competitors?
[12:18:43] <zeeshan|2> most pl easurable
[12:20:39] <deep_pink_> zeeshan|2: I can't understand how
[12:21:37] <JT-Shop> how frustrating it is to try and help some people http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/29509-connection-g-gmoccapy-to-thc?limitstart=0
[12:25:40] <zeeshan|2> lol
[12:25:47] <zeeshan|2> deep_pink_: its a handle i was kidding
[12:25:58] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/A4Mj4Kn.jpg
[12:26:03] <zeeshan|2> damn cucumber plant flowers are HUGE
[12:26:21] <zeeshan|2> like 4" diameter
[12:27:32] <Deejay> nice
[12:28:06] <Jymmm> If anyone knows... When do you use metal vs plastic conduit?
[12:28:56] <JT-Shop> where the plastic might get crushed and I assume you mean EMT conduit not rigid conduit
[12:30:22] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I don't know the difference between EMT and "rigid" conduit; I know the grey plastic "non conductive" stuff in the electric aisle and then the 1/2" galvanized stuff.
[12:31:15] <JT-Shop> if it threaded it might be rigid or I forget the intermediate name wait it is IMT
[12:31:29] <JT-Shop> if it is not threaded it is EMT
[12:31:45] <Jymmm> Ah, not threaded (never seen threaded except for liek black pipe)
[12:32:08] <Jymmm> Need direct burial
[12:32:43] <JT-Shop> rigid is used for explosion proof and tasks that need extra protection
[12:33:03] <Jymmm> Gonna hire the neighbotr kid to dig the trench =)
[12:33:11] <JT-Shop> grey plastic is ok for direct bury
[12:33:33] <JT-Shop> is there some reason you using conduit for direct bury like rocky ground?
[12:33:47] <Jymmm> As opposed to ???
[12:34:22] <Jymmm> Aren't you suppose to use conduit for direct burial?
[12:34:24] <JT-Shop> direct bury wire the grey stuff that is flat with no paper inside
[12:34:25] <Simonious> I don't think I like CAMBAM. I really want to like it, but it's a PITA
[12:35:16] <JT-Shop> http://www.southwire.com/products/type-uf-b-direct-burial-water-well.htm
[12:35:46] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Oh, well there are a LOT of ground nesting bugs, not to mention critters, so I thought it be a lil more protected in conduit
[12:36:13] <Simonious> CAMBAM has been okay for outlines, but for 3d cuts it's annoying me.. I don't have a better option though..
[12:36:26] <JT-Shop> use thhn wire in conduit
[12:37:18] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: If THHN wire is typical redidential stuff, I have a few spools already.
[12:37:24] <Jymmm> residental*
[12:38:16] <JT-Shop> I don't know what typical residential stuff is... thhn is a single strand of wire and not a romex which has 3 or more wires in it
[12:38:23] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I wnat to run some low-voltage cabling too, so I thought I could run two conduits at the same time.
[12:38:42] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Yeah, ok. I wasn't even thinking romex
[12:38:49] <JT-Shop> yea, you not supposed to mix voltages in conduit
[12:39:10] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: That's abotu the ONLY "code" (hi/lo voltage) thing I'm aware of =)
[12:39:14] <zeeshan|2> Simonious: http://i.imgur.com/4VqNPTe.jpg
[12:39:21] <zeeshan|2> 10 min in mastercam!
[12:39:28] <Simonious> ha!
[12:39:37] <zeeshan|2> hsm does the same thing
[12:39:54] <fenn> Jymmm: don't bury metal conduit, it will rust
[12:39:55] <Simonious> what is hsm? I'm planning on trying fusion 360 next
[12:40:21] <zeeshan|2> hsmexpress
[12:40:23] <zeeshan|2> look her up
[12:40:24] <zeeshan|2> its free
[12:40:28] <Jymmm> fenn: ...and I don't think it's waterproof (fittings) either =)
[12:40:31] <Simonious> will do
[12:40:34] <zeeshan|2> addon for solidworks
[12:40:43] <zeeshan|2> i dont know if it will do 3d
[12:40:46] <zeeshan|2> but it can easily do 2.5D
[12:40:47] <zeeshan|2> :P
[12:40:50] <Simonious> eh.. I really prefer my cam packages to be standalone
[12:40:58] <zeeshan|2> you dont want that
[12:40:58] <JT-Shop> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Southwire-500-ft-12-1-Stranded-THHN-Wire-WHITE-22965858/203401697
[12:40:59] <zeeshan|2> trust me
[12:41:02] <zeeshan|2> you want it to be parametric
[12:41:07] <Simonious> CAMBAM works okay for 2.4D
[12:41:15] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: stranded???
[12:41:18] <Simonious> zeeshan|2: the model is parametric, that's enough
[12:41:21] <JT-Shop> rigid and IMT are waterproof
[12:41:24] <JT-Shop> yea
[12:41:25] <zeeshan|2> Simonious: you want your cam to update
[12:41:27] <zeeshan|2> parametrically
[12:41:30] <zeeshan|2> why wouldnt you?!
[12:41:40] <JT-Shop> you won't like pulling solid
[12:41:41] <Simonious> zeeshan|2: I want to be able to run CAM stuff on STLs and DXFs I get from other places
[12:41:58] <zeeshan|2> you can import it into cad
[12:42:00] <zeeshan|2> and do the same
[12:42:03] <zeeshan|2> i do that a ll the time!
[12:42:13] <Simonious> Hmm
[12:42:20] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I was considering running 220V, I've never heard of using anything but solid
[12:42:54] <Simonious> hsmxpress > fusion360?
[12:43:03] <JT-Shop> solid wire it usually found in romex house wire
[12:43:08] <Jymmm> stranded inside a chassis, sure.
[12:43:44] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Right, which is also what I have broken spools of right now (14ga iirc)
[12:43:54] <JT-Shop> there is a billion miles of stranded in conduit and the only time you find solid is when the "electrician" is not really an electrican
[12:44:21] <zeeshan|2> Simonious: by dxf you m,ean 2d dxf
[12:44:21] <zeeshan|2> right?
[12:44:46] <Simonious> zeeshan|2: I actually don't know.. I *thinks* so - are there 3d dxfs? I messed around with that last week and I wasn't sure.
[12:44:47] <zeeshan|2> like i do dxf -> convert to 2d sketch with 1 click
[12:44:51] <zeeshan|2> and then you can generate tool path using that
[12:44:56] <JT-Shop> here is a tip from Uncle JT, never have more than 360 degrees of bends without a pull box
[12:45:18] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Ah, so add a junction/breaker box to terminate the stranded?
[12:45:24] <zeeshan|2> 3d dwg+dxf
[12:45:27] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: lol
[12:46:42] <JT-Shop> nap time
[12:46:45] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Thanks for the info, next time I get down the hill I'll pick up grey conduit and fittngs =)
[13:01:55] <Simonious> it's very fishy that HSMXpress integrates with solidworks and is made by autdesk
[13:02:47] <zeeshan|2> lol
[13:03:42] <Simonious> wait.. is this because DS released free CAD? Now autodesk is releases free CAM? Just trying to cost each other money/business?
[13:40:43] <renesis> simonious: thats what i assumed
[13:41:57] <renesis> dassault did draftsight as a fuck you to autodesk, so they did hsm express as a fuck you back
[13:42:42] <renesis> draftsight is crashy
[14:40:11] <jthornton> wow went from 760 errors to 16 just by closing my li tags
[14:44:06] <fenn> jthornton: you added some style="display:none" back in for some reason, shouldn't do that
[14:44:27] <jthornton> I took that back out but have not pushed it yet
[14:44:39] <jthornton> still working on the layout a bit and getting it to validate
[14:45:13] <fenn> ok
[14:46:19] <Tom_itx> jthornton is andy's comp gonna make it into the docs too?
[14:46:32] <jthornton> which on is that?
[14:46:40] <Tom_itx> carousel
[14:47:01] <Tom_itx> it was included in 2.7 pre
[14:47:39] <jthornton> the man page is there
[14:48:32] <Tom_itx> ahh so it is!
[14:48:44] <Tom_itx> must have missed it the first time
[14:50:33] <jthornton> looks like the man page is part of the component
[14:51:29] <Tom_itx> his demo for that is rather cool
[15:07:15] <jthornton> down to one error!
[15:08:10] <XXCoder> wow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l6CQRHIGyg&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs
[15:08:37] <Deejay> go for it!
[15:11:30] <XXCoder> that video is weirdly broken
[15:11:42] <XXCoder> I can't pause or change time when its playing
[15:17:03] <jthornton> Woopee This document was successfully checked as XHTML 1.1!
[15:17:48] <Deejay> woopee? :-)
[15:24:00] <Tom_itx> jthornton, is that committed yet?
[15:24:34] <Tom_itx> if so, it starts expanded and says 'Expand Documents' on the button
[15:25:02] <Tom_itx> pushing it the first time does nothing
[15:25:25] <Tom_itx> then it says 'Collapse Documents' which does that
[15:25:28] <Tom_itx> then it's normal
[15:26:16] <Tom_itx> man pages seem ok
[15:26:57] <fenn> still has display:none in sec13 sec14 and man pages
[15:27:25] <Tom_itx> it was working better before the fix
[15:27:29] <Tom_itx> here
[15:28:08] <Tom_itx> was this to fix the java disabled brousers?
[15:29:35] <fenn> yes. and then some things to pacify the w3c validator and work better with firefox
[15:30:57] <fenn> i don't really understand why it started out collapsed before. anyway you can add a <script> at the end of the page that closes everything, or i can try to mess around with onclick="something" for each section
[15:31:09] <fenn> er, onload="something"
[15:35:00] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, I just committed the latest one, the last one had issues
[15:35:18] <Tom_itx> i saw the commit in -devel
[15:35:22] <Tom_itx> that's why i asked
[15:36:05] <JT-Shop> build eta 45 minutes
[15:36:43] <Tom_itx> oh i thought once it showed there it was done
[15:37:15] <JT-Shop> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/waterfall
[15:39:10] <Tom_itx> nap time then
[15:40:46] <Tom_itx> been a stressful day... i can relate to your dog dilemma. one of ours came in from outside and went into seizures
[15:40:59] <Tom_itx> better now but quite a scare for a while
[15:42:56] <JT-Shop> I guess I need to make master HTML5 lol
[15:44:29] <fenn> html4 please
[15:44:42] <XXCoder> html15 please
[15:44:59] <fenn> manuals don't need streaming video kthx
[15:46:05] <JT-Shop> what's wrong with 5
[15:50:19] <fenn> what's wrong with 4
[15:51:18] <fenn> html5 didn't exist when many of the distributions we're using were made
[15:51:19] <JT-Shop> doesn't have all the features of 5 and 5 is simpler to write
[15:52:27] <JT-Shop> 5 didn't exist for any of the OS that we currently support but I assume browser updates support it
[15:56:21] <JT-Shop> HTML5 is designed so that old browsers can safely ignore new HTML5 constructs.[6] In contrast to HTML 4.01, the HTML5 specification gives detailed rules for lexing and parsing, with the intent that different compliant browsers will produce the same result in the case of incorrect syntax.
[16:00:01] <XXCoder> geeez
[16:00:09] <XXCoder> one site implemented its own smooth scroll
[16:00:36] <XXCoder> there IS a reason I disabled smooth scroll on firefox!!!
[16:02:17] <JT-Shop> what is smooth scroll?
[16:02:57] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: it blends scroll down so its constantly moving
[16:03:47] <JT-Shop> that must make you dizzy watching that
[16:04:20] <JT-Shop> kinda like pressing the middle mouse button by accident and when you move the mouse the screen scrolls?
[16:12:44] <fenn> i couldn't get the onload="stuff" thing to work, but if you add this to the end of the document sections it will close all of them when the page loads: <script>expanddoc('actually i collapse documents')</script>
[16:13:58] <fenn> the way that function is written is kinda screwy anyway
[16:15:22] <JT-Shop> the latest one is building in <1 minute
[16:17:21] <Deejay> gn8
[16:30:15] <JT-Shop> ok fenn docs are built
[16:30:40] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: it does make me dizzy when it is smoothed
[16:30:53] <XXCoder> which is why I turned it off on firefox
[16:33:23] <fenn> JT-Shop: cool everything is visible now except sec13 and sec14 which i don't care about :P
[16:34:14] <JT-Shop> oh I still have a couple of display='none'
[16:34:21] <JT-Shop> I'll get them in a bit
[16:34:55] <fenn> yeah i don't understand why the man page sections are visible because they have display:none in them too
[16:35:39] <JT-Shop> <div id="man_1" style="-moz-column-width: 25ex; -moz-column-gap: 4ex; -webkit-column-width: 25ex; -webkit-column-gap: 4ex;">
[16:35:45] <JT-Shop> I don't see it in the man pages
[16:36:53] <fenn> oops i had to reload the view-source:
[16:37:52] <JT-Shop> yea, I've been building and reloading all day
[16:38:26] <fenn> thanks for fixing this
[16:38:49] <JT-Shop> your welcome, thanks for showing me how
[17:13:41] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, looks good
[17:19:13] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, thanks, I've learned a lot about html, javascript and bash in the last few days
[17:19:25] <JT-Shop> getting xhtml to validate was a nightmare
[17:29:14] <JT-Shop> another satisfying project brought to you by JT's Machine Shop http://gnipsel.com/images/7x12-bandsaw/7%20x%2012%20Bandsaw%2006.jpg
[17:29:53] <XXCoder> nice
[17:29:58] <XXCoder> so it worked well?
[17:30:23] <JT-Shop> lol, I've not plugged it in yet still cleaning up around it
[17:30:46] <XXCoder> I also see dust devil dust seperator. interesting
[17:39:23] <JT-Shop> works well afaik
[17:40:44] <XXCoder> woodgears made a wood version and it seems to work well
[17:44:35] <JT-Shop> everything works as expected
[17:45:30] <SpeedEvil> Brother made a nice 'coopered' wooden barrel with a conic end for a cyclone
[17:45:32] <SpeedEvil> worked well
[17:56:27] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, you still here?
[18:00:35] <XXCoder> you guys know this almost pear-like shape hard green fruit from tree
[18:00:37] <XXCoder> small tree
[18:00:44] <XXCoder> usually makes garscha something dip
[18:01:13] <XXCoder> hard green skin, soft green "flesh"
[18:02:07] <JT-Shop> avocados?
[18:02:36] <XXCoder> yes lol just discovered it as you was saying it. thanks
[18:04:59] <JT-Shop> I need an efficient way to strip insulation of all this wire scrap I have piled up
[18:05:42] <CaptHindsight> whats an Enco 12" x 40" used manual gap bed geared lathe go for on average in decent shape?
[18:06:11] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: most people burn it off in an old can
[18:06:26] <JT-Shop> that is a nasty mess
[18:06:35] <CaptHindsight> not friendly to the environment, but that's the usual
[18:06:37] <JT-Shop> and you don't get top dollar for hat
[18:06:52] <JT-Shop> most people around here don't burn it
[18:07:20] <JT-Shop> I
[18:07:35] <JT-Shop> I'd give $1500 or so depending on what is included
[18:08:14] <renesis> hot wire stripper, take it off in sections
[18:08:18] <renesis> itll take a long time
[18:08:40] <renesis> the longer the sections, the more of a bitch to pull the insulation off
[18:08:55] <CaptHindsight> i just logged back in, whats the range of wire sizes?
[18:09:37] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: for $1500 you could get someone from India to do it all for you by hand
[18:12:57] <t12> how big is the wire
[18:13:06] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: maybe try design a "wire kiln"
[18:13:08] <JT-Shop> most is 12 gauge
[18:13:14] <XXCoder> melt wires without burning em
[18:13:36] <XXCoder> enough for some mechinical mechism to strip most of wire coating off
[18:13:49] <XXCoder> then finally burn rest much less pollution but still bit dirty
[18:14:04] <t12> theres wire stripping machines
[18:16:41] <JT-Shop> I've searched for photos of something better than a knife and a hole strippers but have not found anything
[18:17:34] <JT-Shop> time to wander inside see you guys later
[18:17:48] <XXCoder> I got design concept of wire puller that heats wire then scrapes one side by metal plate
[18:18:01] <XXCoder> wonder if it can be soft enough that rest of wire plastic falls off
[18:18:32] <t12> theres rotating blade systems
[18:18:41] <t12> i repaired/made some blades for them
[18:18:51] <t12> they're kinda expensive, intended for scrap shops
[18:18:57] <CaptHindsight> something like the shape of a hob
[18:19:39] <t12> they're pretty quick if your wire is spooled
[18:19:56] <t12> that shop does alot of just stripping wire and then selling the copper at the increased price
[18:20:05] <t12> runs big 1" electrical through it all day
[18:20:50] <XXCoder> heh thats a way I guess
[18:20:54] <XXCoder> run too much current
[18:21:00] <XXCoder> let plastic or rubber fall off
[18:25:30] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: http://iscrapapp.com/blog/how-to-strip-your-copper-wire-for-scrap/
[19:11:40] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I never realized how many damn switches and outlets I have in my house LOL
[19:11:53] <XXCoder> just few thousand eh
[19:12:18] <PetefromTn_> my hands are tired of crimping and cutting wires and twisting screwdrivers etc.
[19:13:17] <PetefromTn_> I still lack a coupld behind the big TV stand and my master bedroom completely hehe
[19:14:35] <Wolf_> heh, when I bought my house it had 6 outlets it
[19:15:33] <PetefromTn_> I think my kids room has more than that LOL
[19:16:03] <PetefromTn_> Ooh I also got a couple neat switches that glow in the dark when the lights are off for the stairwell...that was kind of cool
[19:16:23] <Wolf_> it also still had the paperwork in the outside room for the westinghouse dry cell farm power system too…
[19:16:46] <PetefromTn_> you off the grid or something?
[19:17:16] <Wolf_> nope, I’m 30mins from baltimore and DC, just the house was built in 1820’s
[19:17:24] <PetefromTn_> Showed my house again today.. people were here for over an hour ....ya just never know ;)
[19:37:13] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: selling house?
[19:57:13] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, yes
[19:58:39] <Tom_itx> woops just missed him
[19:59:04] <XXCoder> darn
[20:00:09] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ gonna do the plumbing next?
[20:02:19] <Tom_itx> it's funny how ppl fix all the things wrong just when they're gonna move
[20:02:30] <Tom_itx> they move
[20:02:41] <Tom_itx> and fix all the things they don't like about the next one
[20:08:33] <malcom2073> Sweat equity!
[20:15:27] <PetefromTn_> sorry guys
[20:15:33] <PetefromTn_> had to put my kids to bed
[20:15:50] <PetefromTn_> but yeah we are doing electrical/plumbing/AC/you name it LOL
[20:16:10] <PetefromTn_> just trying to get the house finished to either sell or enjoy personally hehe
[20:16:21] <PetefromTn_> worked my ass off today all over the damn house
[20:16:51] <PetefromTn_> even vacuumed the pool and cleaned the deck/backyard
[20:19:58] <PetefromTn_> Oh and actually we have been FIXING all the things wrong for over 8 years now ;)
[20:27:48] <t12> i've been doing alot of that
[20:27:51] <t12> silly wooden houses
[20:28:23] <PetefromTn_> I know right... we need stainless or something ;)
[20:28:23] <t12> i wish i had a giant concretebox house
[20:28:54] <Tom_itx> container homes
[20:29:06] <t12> with concrete floors i could have a real shop!
[20:29:07] <PetefromTn_> isn't every house a container?
[20:29:08] <t12> with real machines!
[20:29:29] <PetefromTn_> it's funny the guy who came to look at the house today
[20:29:33] <Tom_itx> alot of ppl are converting them to homes
[20:29:46] <PetefromTn_> he walked out into the shop and took one look at all the machines and stuff
[20:30:05] <PetefromTn_> and was like...I bet this would be a great garage to convert into living space LOL
[20:30:15] <Tom_itx> hah!
[20:30:17] <t12> lollll
[20:30:25] <t12> wow this place would be great without all the machines!
[20:30:25] <PetefromTn_> I almost fell on the floor hehe
[20:30:26] <t12> burn with fire
[20:30:35] <PetefromTn_> but he was dead serious
[20:30:56] <PetefromTn_> he was also wanting to know what the huge attick above it looked like so he could make THAT living space as well...
[20:30:58] <t12> the american household design
[20:31:00] <t12> i find totally absurd
[20:31:37] <PetefromTn_> I swear for me I would love to find a nice older 2 story manufacturing building
[20:31:47] <PetefromTn_> make the first floor nothing but shop space/office space
[20:31:52] <t12> ya
[20:31:56] <PetefromTn_> and make the entire second floor my home
[20:31:58] <t12> my current dream facility is
[20:32:06] <t12> concrete floors, loading dock, forklift
[20:32:09] <PetefromTn_> that is a perfect house to me hehe
[20:32:28] <t12> hard to do in SF
[20:32:57] <t12> housing out here has reached total insanity
[20:33:07] <t12> people buying 1500sqft condos for like 2m
[20:33:16] <PetefromTn_> housing out there has gone BEYOND total insanity if you ask me
[20:33:27] <PetefromTn_> I used to live there
[20:33:28] <t12> we've bent time and space with our housing situation
[20:33:32] <PetefromTn_> both in norcal and in socal
[20:34:59] <t12> i think its just become rich people moving in
[20:35:10] <t12> i dont think anyone buys property like this on salary
[20:35:27] <PetefromTn_> hehe not MY salary anyways
[20:35:48] <Tom_itx> wtf is salary?
[20:35:58] * Tom_itx googles it
[20:36:00] <PetefromTn_> that too
[20:36:01] <Tom_itx> :D
[20:36:24] <Tom_itx> self employed either work or starve
[20:36:45] <malcom2073> I love being self employed, but sometimes it'd be nice to have a garunteed paycheck
[20:37:06] <PetefromTn_> ain't it the truth
[20:37:06] <Tom_itx> it has perks
[20:37:54] <Tom_itx> not sure how many times i've fired myself but it never seemed to have an effect
[20:38:39] <PetefromTn_> I probably should fire my lazy ass hehe might get something done around here
[20:47:28] <bobo> PetefromTn_:" I swear for me I would love to find a nice older 2 story manufacturing building "------- If you are serious , consder also a group of like minded also getting together for a building . And I might be one of 'em .
[20:48:18] <PetefromTn_> heh I appreciate that man I do... but we need to sell our house first and then we will be moving back to Florida. If it ever freaking sells.
[20:49:41] <PetefromTn_> I think the more we have weekends like this where we take care of all the little things in the house that need addressed sooner or later it will reach a point where people might want to buy it. Lots of folks do not want a project or have not the skills/money to complete one
[20:50:13] <bobo> there are mfg. buildings ,also in Florida.
[20:51:28] <PetefromTn_> sure
[20:51:45] <PetefromTn_> the other problem with it is talking my wife into living above a shop for her home ;)
[20:53:35] <redlegion> You guys have experience with polyworks or FARO arms?
[20:55:08] <Tom_itx> what's the real question?
[20:55:34] <bobo> Pete There are single story p;aces that one could add living space above or beside . To me ,the majot problem is zoneing .
[21:01:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah well I will just wait and hope the house sells for what I am asking or close to it. It's a cape Cod style house so the layout is different from what most people are used to so I have to find the right buyer here... It will happen or it won't either way we are comfy and happy LOL
[21:04:59] <PetefromTn_> looking forward to getting the new flowmeter and other tig welding stuff I ordered the other day. Hopefully it will help me be a bit less magoo here
[21:05:28] <PetefromTn_> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/5162730343.html wish I wasn't broke again this looks like a decent deal...
[21:31:37] <bobo> zeeshan|2: About your non-existing 4th axis ------- Is this guy in your neck of the world ? might ask if his 4th axis is avaliable,and really cheer his Mom up. http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/dmg-mori-gildemeister-maho-cnc/maho-mh400c-retrofit-277873/
[21:32:36] <XXCoder> interesying https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mat/5168193204.html'
[21:32:44] <XXCoder> interesting https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mat/5168193204.html
[21:44:03] <bobo> PetefromTn: i think NPR radio had a news bite on the "new -wonderful" apartments made from old mfg.buildings in Nashvill. you might show them to your better half ,as a plant a seed idea type thing .
[21:46:20] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah I will have to check that out. We watched a show on one of the DIY channels one time that featured several homes like that and while she kinda liked the idea of having TONS of space upstairs she said she did not know how it would be not having a TYPICAL house front IE friends and family being welcoming etc.
[21:47:31] <Tom_itx> they don't wanna hang out in your machine shop!?!?
[21:47:39] <PetefromTn_> I mean like I said I sure could do it and I am sure we could make a large empty space livable in a myriad of ways but I dunno about the family. Maybe if it was an old firehouse and had one of those poles you slide downstairs with hehe
[21:48:44] <PetefromTn_> actually my wife is very understanding about all of the schtuff I do out there. I am a lucky guy to have such an understanding wife when it comes to buying tools and moving heavy equipment into our home etc. Most women would be just the opposite I think
[21:51:53] <Wolf_> easy to tell I’m single, my mini mill and mini lathe are in my kitchen
[21:52:05] <PetefromTn_> heh
[21:52:47] <PetefromTn_> at one point I rented a house and in the spare bedroom I had an RF45 bedmill and a 12x36 asian lathe along with a shop press, ginders, sanders all in one bedroom.
[21:55:09] <Wolf_> nice
[21:58:39] <zeeshan|2> bobo: that rotary axis
[21:58:43] <zeeshan|2> is on the wrong axis
[21:58:48] <zeeshan|2> i need a B axis
[21:58:51] <zeeshan|2> not C
[21:59:08] <zeeshan|2> im not sure if you can rotate it
[21:59:08] <bobo> Just watch double boost mix up pancake batter , I think that women come in as many varieties as men ,
[22:00:30] <bobo> zeeshan you always have problems with my wild ideas
[22:00:40] <zeeshan|2> :(
[22:00:41] <zeeshan|2> sorry!
[22:00:59] <Tom_itx> yeah he don't like mine much either
[22:01:22] <bobo> no need to be sorry
[22:02:10] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 what you workin on now?
[22:03:46] <zeeshan|2> was with the client today
[22:03:48] <zeeshan|2> working on that e-cig
[22:03:51] <Tom_itx> did you get your handle modeled?
[22:03:57] <zeeshan|2> yes
[22:04:01] <zeeshan|2> its coming together pretty cool
[22:04:02] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/ZsaVaIS.jpg
[22:04:09] <zeeshan|2> now it looks even more like turd
[22:04:12] <zeeshan|2> cause its brown
[22:04:13] <zeeshan|2> haha
[22:04:24] <zeeshan|2> i still gotta blend in the top things
[22:04:25] <zeeshan|2> around the cylinder
[22:04:49] <Tom_itx> what'd they say about it?
[22:04:50] <Wolf_> but, its a shiny turd
[22:04:53] <zeeshan|2> he loves it
[22:04:57] <zeeshan|2> thats all that matters
[22:05:05] <zeeshan|2> hes in the community that deals with these products
[22:05:12] <zeeshan|2> so i guess his opinion is all that matters at the end of the day right?
[22:05:15] <zeeshan|2> im no expert in it.
[22:05:23] <zeeshan|2> i can just tell if things are ergonomic or not
[22:05:26] <zeeshan|2> and how much itll cost to make
[22:05:55] <Wolf_> I’ll stick with my box with a battery in it
[22:06:14] <zeeshan|2> wolf apparentlky people spend 600 bux on these things
[22:06:20] <zeeshan|2> its some exotic stuff
[22:06:21] <zeeshan|2> shrug
[22:07:04] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/S6PJDFC.jpg
[22:07:05] <zeeshan|2> another shot
[22:07:21] <XXCoder> whats that thing
[22:07:26] <Tom_itx> it's still a shiny turd
[22:07:30] <Wolf_> fun, I was going to mill something but turns out I’m out of 1/8” end mills...
[22:08:07] <PetefromTn_> looks like someone dropped their monocle in the dog doo ;)
[22:08:50] <Wolf_> yeah, I’m not seeing the point of the odd ass shape
[22:09:01] <zeeshan|2> its an ergonomic shape
[22:09:03] <bobo> Ok zeeshan , if you are so smart (BG) , what axis would that rotary table be if useing the Horz mill axis ?
[22:09:05] <zeeshan|2> ill tell you that much!
[22:09:19] <zeeshan|2> bobo: i cant answer your q, cause im not so smart
[22:10:30] <PetefromTn_> I'm tired....just not tired enough to go to bed heh
[22:10:43] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/JFdcLlq.jpg
[22:10:48] <zeeshan|2> in the end itll be made out of this kind of wood
[22:11:00] <zeeshan|2> so itll look less like a turd
[22:11:10] <XXCoder> still uncertain what the heckt hat thing is
[22:11:19] <XXCoder> looks like sauce desperator or something
[22:11:20] <zeeshan|2> e-cigarrette!
[22:11:21] <trentster> Hi all - what kind of bit should I be looking to buy to chamfer the edge of cuts along aluminium or hole edges?
[22:11:22] <PetefromTn_> what the hell is that?
[22:11:24] <XXCoder> dexperate whatever
[22:11:34] <trentster> normall chamferring bit as used in a drill press?
[22:11:39] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: i love stablized wood dude
[22:11:43] <zeeshan|2> never worked on it before
[22:11:46] <zeeshan|2> it looks really cool
[22:11:50] <zeeshan|2> he gave me some extra off cuts
[22:11:56] <zeeshan|2> im gonna make a handle out of it for my knife
[22:11:56] <XXCoder> ecigs eh
[22:11:59] <PetefromTn_> its purty
[22:12:02] <PetefromTn_> cuts easy
[22:12:04] <zeeshan|2> yea man
[22:12:05] <cradek> trentster: some mill-drills have 90 degree points that are perfect for that
[22:12:28] <XXCoder> scientists showed it causes cancer faster than normal cigs due to fine particles.
[22:12:33] <zeeshan|2> chamfering an edge of a part will blow up
[22:12:35] <trentster> cradek: yeah still trying to understand when one would need a certain angle vs another
[22:12:38] <zeeshan|2> the chamfer bit lol
[22:12:45] <zeeshan|2> trentster: easy!
[22:12:48] <zeeshan|2> your geometry calls for it
[22:12:58] <cradek> trentster: http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PARTPG=INSRAR2&PMAKA=320-1420&PMPXNO=946467
[22:13:04] <zeeshan|2> also the helix angle effects the chatter youll get
[22:13:09] <zeeshan|2> cause youre changing the engagement angle
[22:13:39] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: looks awesome anyway
[22:13:48] <trentster> cradek: thanks looking
[22:13:49] <cradek> often you want 45 degrees, so a 90 degree point gives you that
[22:14:06] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: thanks man
[22:14:16] <zeeshan|2> im excited to machine these after design is finalized
[22:14:25] <zeeshan|2> i really want a 4th axis for this job though
[22:14:32] <zeeshan|2> cant find anything cheap
[22:14:39] <trentster> cradek: so these would be totally useless for cnc chamferring right? http://www.banggood.com/5pcs-6mm-19mm-Titanium-Countersinks-Chamfering-Cutter-Drill-Press-p-961909.html
[22:14:44] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: you can mill one
[22:14:48] <zeeshan|2> trentster: no
[22:14:49] <zeeshan|2> those work
[22:14:52] <XXCoder> using some kind of motor and encoder
[22:14:54] <cradek> yes pretty useless
[22:14:55] <zeeshan|2> but you gotta run them slower feed
[22:14:58] <XXCoder> then add axis
[22:15:15] <cradek> those are really for a drill press where the work isn't clamped down
[22:15:15] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: i was thinking an order of 10
[22:15:24] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: since its wood all you need is reasonably rigid and accuracy
[22:15:24] <zeeshan|2> will help pay for 4th axis
[22:15:34] <zeeshan|2> yea but im not buying an axis just for this job
[22:15:37] <zeeshan|2> i want it for steel too
[22:15:43] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: it is small right?
[22:15:51] <zeeshan|2> yea about 2.5"x3.75"
[22:15:52] <XXCoder> you could jug rig something
[22:16:00] <zeeshan|2> lazy though man
[22:16:02] <XXCoder> use some stepper
[22:16:07] <zeeshan|2> oh
[22:16:08] <cradek> ever notice how the work moves in a circle when you use one on a drill press? they're meant to rub
[22:16:09] <zeeshan|2> for 4th axis
[22:16:16] <XXCoder> keep stress low and it will work
[22:16:26] <zeeshan|2> haha youre saying
[22:16:28] <zeeshan|2> just bolt it to a stepper?
[22:16:32] <zeeshan|2> direct drive?
[22:16:33] <zeeshan|2> :D
[22:16:36] <XXCoder> make sure room for 4 inches or so
[22:16:41] <zeeshan|2> not a bad idea
[22:16:43] <trentster> zeeshan|2: wow thats an interesting looking picture - just jumped into channel and have not read back log - what the heck is it? Cigar Lighter? :P
[22:16:47] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: kinda but yeah
[22:16:55] <XXCoder> you need to make sure motor is aligned and rigid enough
[22:16:57] <zeeshan|2> trentster: similar :P
[22:17:17] <PetefromTn_> Gn8 folks
[22:17:20] <zeeshan|2> nite pete
[22:17:26] <XXCoder> you has a mill, mill a larg-ish mount for motor and mount it
[22:17:34] <XXCoder> indicate make sure its nice and stright
[22:17:37] <zeeshan|2> thats not a bad idea
[22:17:40] <zeeshan|2> id need to mount a 4 jaw chuck
[22:17:42] <zeeshan|2> to the stepper though
[22:17:46] <zeeshan|2> but i cant drive a stepepr
[22:17:49] <zeeshan|2> i can only drive servo
[22:17:51] <zeeshan|2> cause i got 7i77
[22:17:58] <XXCoder> has a extra servo?
[22:17:59] <zeeshan|2> ill need to find servo with built in encoder
[22:18:00] <zeeshan|2> no
[22:18:01] <zeeshan|2> :(
[22:18:08] <zeeshan|2> i do have the drive though
[22:19:09] <trentster> zeeshan|2: seriously tho - what is it?
[22:19:36] <bobo> you have more drive than i do
[22:19:38] <zeeshan|2> vaporizer!!
[22:19:44] <zeeshan|2> e-cig
[22:19:53] <trentster> aah
[22:19:56] <zeeshan|2> a log of shit!!
[22:19:56] <zeeshan|2> haha
[22:19:57] <zeeshan|2> jk
[22:20:07] <zeeshan|2> i reallty like the look of it
[22:20:08] <XXCoder> fossilized shit
[22:20:10] <zeeshan|2> even though im an outsider
[22:20:19] <XXCoder> get one of fossil scat and mill it into e-cig
[22:20:20] <trentster> its like a e-cig for ravers!
[22:20:24] <zeeshan|2> haha xrr
[22:20:26] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder:
[22:20:37] <zeeshan|2> i really hope this guy sells a lot
[22:20:43] <zeeshan|2> cause guess who'll be making it?!
[22:20:50] <zeeshan|2> he already is asking for 40
[22:21:00] <zeeshan|2> and things he can sell 20-30 per month
[22:21:05] <zeeshan|2> its a nice steady income from it
[22:21:09] <XXCoder> yep
[22:21:21] <zeeshan|2> but it can also go bad, he might end at the 40
[22:21:38] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:22:05] <XXCoder> well you may be able to figure how to rig up short term 4th axis
[22:22:15] <zeeshan|2> if i could find a rotary table
[22:22:16] <trentster> zeeshan|2: did you make the metal part of it yourself - if so thats pretty amazing work
[22:22:16] <zeeshan|2> id feel better
[22:22:23] <zeeshan|2> trentster: no
[22:22:25] <zeeshan|2> thats standard stuff
[22:22:30] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: there is nice alternate though
[22:22:37] <XXCoder> do side a time
[22:22:38] <zeeshan|2> its not worth to make it since those are mass produced
[22:22:51] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: haha thats how i have it programmed for the prototype i gotta make next weekend
[22:22:52] <trentster> aah thought so - I love the slices on the one on the right
[22:22:56] <zeeshan|2> but that'll be brutal for 40
[22:23:17] <zeeshan|2> cause it looks like 1hour machining time per side
[22:23:20] <zeeshan|2> with 10 tho step over
[22:23:21] <XXCoder> too bad no encoder for that servo
[22:23:32] <zeeshan|2> but if i had 4 axis
[22:23:36] <zeeshan|2> i could walk away for 4 hours
[22:23:38] <zeeshan|2> and do something else
[22:23:43] <zeeshan|2> rather than flip the part
[22:23:48] <zeeshan|2> and maybe optimize the tool paths better too
[22:23:51] <XXCoder> get a ebook
[22:23:55] <zeeshan|2> haha
[22:24:05] <XXCoder> you cant belive how much I read at work
[22:24:13] <zeeshan|2> well i can do research work
[22:24:15] <zeeshan|2> while its going
[22:24:19] <XXCoder> probably 80% of time for longer run cycle
[22:24:30] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: do you have to inspect your parts
[22:24:39] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:24:44] <zeeshan|2> trentster: if you have those regular chamfer bits
[22:24:45] <XXCoder> some jobs is so simple though
[22:24:49] <zeeshan|2> you can use em on the cnc mill
[22:24:54] <XXCoder> literally take me seconds to do so
[22:24:55] <zeeshan|2> i have done that in a bind
[22:25:02] <XXCoder> for example disk engrave
[22:25:06] <zeeshan|2> but they are very easy to chatter
[22:25:10] <XXCoder> all I need to do is look if its good
[22:25:23] <zeeshan|2> http://blog.supertoolinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/chamfer-cutter.jpg
[22:25:25] <zeeshan|2> this is what i use now
[22:25:26] <XXCoder> and once a while confirm its still between readable - .003"
[22:25:29] <zeeshan|2> or my indexabble tool
[22:25:37] <zeeshan|2> http://www.kodiaktooling.com/content/images/thumbs/0002357_30-indexable-chamfer-mill-c30-062-tp3-075_400.jpeg
[22:26:05] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: ah cool
[22:26:12] <zeeshan|2> when i was working at this one company
[22:26:21] <zeeshan|2> and machine operator called in sick and i had to fill in for an hour
[22:26:36] <zeeshan|2> we had some serious "spc"
[22:26:39] <zeeshan|2> checks
[22:26:46] <zeeshan|2> statistical process control that is
[22:26:57] <zeeshan|2> so youd have to do a certain bunch of measurements to ensure process was in control
[22:27:00] <zeeshan|2> i hated that stuff :P
[22:27:01] <trentster> zeeshan|2: thats chamferring bit looks droolworthy - must be darn expensive
[22:27:10] <zeeshan|2> trentster: which one, the first?
[22:27:11] <zeeshan|2> or second
[22:27:36] <trentster> supertoolinc one
[22:27:51] <zeeshan|2> nah
[22:27:51] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: interesting
[22:27:54] <zeeshan|2> theyre not that bad
[22:28:17] <zeeshan|2> https://www.maritool.com/Cutting-Tools-End-Mills-Chamfer-Mills-Standard-Chamfer-Mills/c78_79_154_155/p1107/Chamfer-Mill-.250-Dia-X-100-Degree-4-Flute-DE/product_info.html
[22:28:19] <zeeshan|2> you get 2 tools in 1
[22:28:22] <zeeshan|2> so its really half the price
[22:28:54] <zeeshan|2> (and solid carbide!)
[22:29:26] <cradek> maritool has more cool stuff each time I look
[22:29:28] <XXCoder> curves is expensive op
[22:29:31] <cradek> (they have 90 degree too)
[22:29:45] <zeeshan|2> cradek: id buy from mari
[22:29:51] <cradek> I have, a lot
[22:29:51] <zeeshan|2> but i buy all my stuff from this local surplus
[22:29:57] <zeeshan|2> they have brand new stuff!
[22:30:06] <zeeshan|2> im not sharing the site though
[22:30:06] <zeeshan|2> :P
[22:30:12] <XXCoder> aw lol
[22:30:23] <zeeshan|2> i would with you guys
[22:30:28] <zeeshan|2> but this is publically logged
[22:31:15] <Wolf_> everyone bombard zeeshan|2 with PM :P
[22:31:23] <Tom_itx> ddos his arse
[22:31:43] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[22:31:56] <Tom_itx> i shared my local surplus
[22:32:15] <Wolf_> so, EMCO isn’t a good source for tooling? lol
[22:32:37] <zeeshan|2> currently my favourite tools are
[22:32:38] <zeeshan|2> hanita
[22:32:42] <zeeshan|2> and yg1
[22:32:47] <zeeshan|2> they make some sexy tools
[22:32:49] <zeeshan|2> and OSG!!
[22:32:52] <zeeshan|2> my god their taps are art
[22:32:59] <zeeshan|2> how can you make tools look so good??
[22:32:59] <Wolf_> err Enco I meant
[22:33:30] <zeeshan|2> https://www.mscdirect.com/ProductImages/4448905-21.jpg
[22:33:33] <zeeshan|2> they look so GOOD!!
[22:33:48] <trentster> Tom_itx: whats your local surplus?
[22:34:54] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaX8VIBeCkY
[22:35:01] <zeeshan|2> one video to describe osg's dedication to taps
[22:35:42] <XXCoder> teeth look weird but chips fly out well
[22:36:11] <Wolf_> yeah, I could use a suggestion where to shop, I need to order some end mills
[22:36:33] <zeeshan|2> i lioke how in that video
[22:36:37] <zeeshan|2> the only matterial with coolant on
[22:36:39] <zeeshan|2> is stainless
[22:36:41] <zeeshan|2> damn you stainless!
[22:36:50] <XXCoder> no stain on stainless
[22:37:12] <zeeshan|2> https://youtu.be/WaX8VIBeCkY
[22:37:12] <zeeshan|2> er
[22:37:21] <zeeshan|2> https://youtu.be/WaX8VIBeCkY?t=197
[22:37:27] <zeeshan|2> part of video you should watch at least!
[22:39:01] <bobo> zeeshan that R table i refered to has , or should have , a heidhean rod-XXX type encoder, read out in sec of arc
[22:39:12] <zeeshan|2> bobo: in wrong axis though
[22:39:13] <zeeshan|2> :-(
[22:39:38] <bobo> use the parts
[22:39:44] <zeeshan|2> no
[22:39:45] <Tom_itx> trentster, http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/local_stock/stock_index.php
[22:40:15] <Tom_itx> http://www.yardstore.com/index.htm
[22:40:20] <zeeshan|2> bbrb
[22:41:36] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkPdgrjUEhY
[22:41:40] <XXCoder> different type of tap
[22:41:43] <trentster> Tom_itx: thanks man!
[22:42:27] <fenn> that doesn't look like any sort of tapping i've ever done
[22:42:49] <Tom_itx> you need some roundbar? http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/local_stock/9.jpg
[22:43:48] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/local_stock/11.jpg
[22:45:20] <Tom_itx> Wolf_, http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/ for endmills
[22:46:23] <Tom_itx> i get my small ones locally
[22:47:54] <trentster> Tom_itx: yeah I had a look at your local surplus pictures - green with envy - we don't have such things in my neck of the woods as far as I know.
[22:49:03] <Wolf_> I don’t know of any around where I am either :( not even sure if there is a local source for end mills around here
[22:56:56] <Tom_itx> where is here?
[22:58:41] <Wolf_> oh, Maryland
[22:58:57] <Tom_itx> what part?
[22:59:44] <Wolf_> near Frederick
[23:01:10] <trentster> Wolf_: you are lucky - at least you are on the right continent ;-)
[23:01:50] <Tom_itx> http://www.carbidehss-endmills.com/maryland/frederick.html
[23:01:53] <Tom_itx> dunno...
[23:02:38] <Tom_itx> http://www.macraesbluebook.com/search/product_company_list.cfm?prod_code=4509150&region=Maryland-MD
[23:04:34] <Wolf_> lol, yeah, I don’t think anything is made here anymore…
[23:05:47] <Tom_itx> i'm pretty lucky.. this is an aircraft town
[23:06:34] <Tom_itx> beech, cessna, bombardie, boeing, spirit
[23:07:01] <Tom_itx> spirit bought most of boeing
[23:07:05] <zeeshan|2> trentster: dont feel bad
[23:07:08] <zeeshan|2> i live in "steel" city
[23:07:11] <Tom_itx> here anyway, not in seattle
[23:07:11] <zeeshan|2> and we dont even have that
[23:07:12] <zeeshan|2> :(
[23:07:52] <Tom_itx> and spirit is doing alot of airbus stuff now i think
[23:08:06] <trentster> zeeshan|2: steel city?
[23:08:25] <zeeshan|2> hamilton, ontario
[23:08:29] <Wolf_> hows Maritool’s stuff? any good (end mills) I need some 1/8
[23:08:32] <zeeshan|2> we had a lot of steel mills here
[23:08:35] <zeeshan|2> very little now
[23:08:37] <Tom_itx> Wolf_, should be ok
[23:08:40] <trentster> aah
[23:09:35] <Tom_itx> mines too or just mills?
[23:09:35] <Wolf_> hehe, the steel mill that use to be in baltimore maryland is now a amazon hub I think
[23:10:31] <zeeshan|2> wolf
[23:10:33] <zeeshan|2> high end stuff
[23:10:37] <zeeshan|2> but you can buy better
[23:10:47] <zeeshan|2> what are you machining?
[23:11:03] <Wolf_> alum right now
[23:11:09] <zeeshan|2> ah
[23:11:12] <zeeshan|2> just grab some 3 flute from there
[23:12:22] <Tom_itx> well gnite gents
[23:12:25] <zeeshan|2> nite
[23:13:07] <Wolf_> prices don’t look to hateful vs the crap from enco
[23:17:39] <Tom_itx> also travers.com
[23:21:40] <deep_pink_> hi
[23:21:55] <XXCoder> hey
[23:22:54] <deep_pink_> we cut now the fist cut with the band saw
[23:23:12] <deep_pink_> work very nice
[23:23:17] <deep_pink_> but nooooiiiisyyy
[23:29:44] <Wolf_> weird, mine are all quiet, except for the 14” craftsman one
[23:30:07] <deep_pink_> I has a gear
[23:30:12] <deep_pink_> it*
[23:30:14] <XXCoder> deep_pink_: your blade troque set?
[23:30:45] <Wolf_> even my wilton is quiet, and its geared, looks just like https://www.hgrinc.com/productDetail/Fabrication/USED-WILTON-HORIZONTAL-BANDSAW/04151270019
[23:30:50] <deep_pink_> this is the portable HF
[23:31:33] <deep_pink_> just 79
[23:31:33] <Wolf_> both of my porta bands are quiet as well, but they aren’t harbor junk
[23:31:35] <deep_pink_> $
[23:32:00] <deep_pink_> we try it, and it work so far very nice,
[23:45:27] <furrywolf> hooked power up to the mill, started playing with it... Y power feed works, X works only to the left, Z worked for the first few tries then stopped. then the handwheel stopped working too. grrrrrrr.
[23:45:54] <Wolf_> damn ya broke it already
[23:46:01] <Wolf_> :D
[23:46:13] <furrywolf> looks like a crown gear is loose on its shaft. it's held down by a nut. someone goobered it with weld, poorly, attempting to "improve" it, instead making the problem far worse.
[23:47:03] <furrywolf> I also learned if you stop and start the spindle at 1800rpm more than a couple times in a row the motor starter trips. :)
[23:48:35] <Wolf_> sounds like a piece of junk, trade ya a harbor freight x1 mill that mostly works
[23:51:14] <furrywolf> I think your mill fits on the table of mine...
[23:51:46] <Wolf_> probably, could even get the top of the spindle in a collet I bet
[23:51:57] <furrywolf> lol
[23:52:18] <XXCoder> fur got pic? curious lol
[23:53:34] <furrywolf> of?
[23:53:46] <XXCoder> mill
[23:55:04] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/5163013489.html
[23:56:04] <XXCoder> interesting
[23:56:10] <XXCoder> definitely need elbow grease
[23:57:17] <furrywolf> it's bigger than those photos make it look.
[23:57:21] <furrywolf> 6.5ft tall
[23:57:49] <XXCoder> it looked like it was under head height ~5'
[23:58:18] <furrywolf> yes. hence why I said that. :P