#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-08-14

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[00:00:26] <furrywolf> I'm saying solenoid coil because that's what he identified as the problem - I haven't tested it myself.
[00:00:48] <furrywolf> the spindle jog button is stuck, so you have to nudge the spindle by hand occasionally when shifting speeds.
[00:02:23] <zeeshan> :P
[00:02:25] <furrywolf> 50-1800 rpm is a decently wide range, in 18 steps.
[00:03:32] <furrywolf> I suspect it has quite a bit of torque at 50rpm. :)
[00:05:20] <just_pink> hi
[00:06:13] <furrywolf> just_pink: I just bought a 4000lb mill. want to cnc it for me? :P
[00:06:13] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i found a good article that was in my bookmark
[00:06:16] <zeeshan> i think its worth reading it
[00:06:47] <just_pink> I got a flat bar of steel from Lowes.
[00:07:30] <skau> hi all, new to linux cnc, is this channel a suitable place to ask questions about things like creating custom UI buttons, etc?
[00:07:38] <furrywolf> yes!
[00:07:50] <furrywolf> however, the people who can help you are likely asleep this time of day.
[00:08:04] <skau> as an Australian, I am used to that
[00:08:12] <just_pink> but I can't find any properties about is, what kind of steel is that? it just say "Weldable Steel"
[00:08:18] <just_pink> furrywolf: NICE!
[00:08:25] <just_pink> http://www.lowes.com/pd_69738-37672-11687_1z0xzpaZ1z13sim__?productId=3059235&pl=1
[00:08:48] <just_pink> I want to machine is with HSS tools.
[00:08:53] <just_pink> it*
[00:10:35] <skau> i want to add some buttons to perform/execute basic MDI commands, but instead of just defining the command in the INI file, I want to be able to enter parameters (using a text box or even a slider), e.g. instead of having a G0 X0 Y0 Z0 command, I want to have a G0 X[param] Y[param2] ... etc., so that I can have more usable buttons and not have to jog my machine around everywhere
[00:10:56] <furrywolf> the flood coolant system works great, lots of flow.
[00:10:58] <just_pink> archivist: ? XXCoder? zeeshan? PetefromTn_ ?
[00:11:12] <skau> is there a way that can be done with (relative) ease? i.e. through configuration
[00:11:52] <zeeshan> just_pink: are you a vampire
[00:11:56] <zeeshan> why are you always active at night
[00:12:12] <zeeshan> that is just mild steel
[00:12:16] <zeeshan> prolly 1018 hot roll
[00:12:34] <rootB> So linuxcnc, any site where i can buy CNC calibration tools?
[00:12:40] <zeeshan> use 75SFM for surface speed
[00:12:40] <rootB> machinist squares dial guage and such?
[00:12:43] <zeeshan> if using high speed steel
[00:12:54] <zeeshan> rootB: ebay.com
[00:13:52] <just_pink> zeeshan: yes, I'm a vampire :)
[00:14:16] <rootB> come on zeeshan, ebay has a lot of chinese shit
[00:14:32] <zeeshan> it also has a lot of good tools too :P
[00:14:33] <just_pink> I'm going too use 7/16 4 flute hss flat end mill
[00:14:43] <zeeshan> just_pink: i told you the formulas the other day
[00:14:45] <zeeshan> you tell us the rpm
[00:14:46] <zeeshan> and feedrate
[00:14:52] <zeeshan> otherwise youll never learn!!!!!!! :P
[00:15:05] <zeeshan> at our school student machine shop
[00:15:17] <PetefromTn_> back again ;)
[00:15:17] <zeeshan> you can get banned on your 3rd time caught not knowing the formula
[00:15:28] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: backpurge it!!
[00:15:30] <just_pink> hehe..
[00:15:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah I need to
[00:15:39] <rootB> alright zeeshan, do you know any good brands to buy
[00:15:47] <zeeshan> just_pink: i will tell you 1 name
[00:15:53] <PetefromTn_> Like I said just screwing around with bead techniques
[00:15:55] <zeeshan> rootB: no, you will increase the prices on ebay
[00:15:58] <zeeshan> and remove stock for me
[00:15:59] <zeeshan> haha
[00:16:03] <zeeshan> name = time
[00:16:07] <rootB> ok
[00:16:12] <zeeshan> just_pink: RPM = 4*SFM/diameter
[00:16:28] <PetefromTn_> what article?
[00:16:33] <just_pink> the diameter it's in inch or mm?
[00:16:37] <zeeshan> feedrate (inches per minute) = # of teeth * RPM * inches/tooth
[00:16:38] <zeeshan> all in inches
[00:16:47] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: http://www.burnsstainless.com/weldingarticle5.aspx
[00:16:51] <zeeshan> they talk about for thinner tubing
[00:16:56] <zeeshan> fusion welding is the only way to go!
[00:17:05] <just_pink> but i can take 1mm and i can take 10mm cut..
[00:17:12] <zeeshan> burnstainless is a huge huge huge huge make of manifolds
[00:17:15] <zeeshan> they do a lot of f1 and nascar stuff
[00:17:21] <furrywolf> anyone have an old brown&sharpe vise they want to sell, so I can have the matching one for my new machine?
[00:17:35] <zeeshan> just_pink: these formulas have nothing to do with the depth of cut
[00:17:56] <just_pink> how I'm calculate the depth of cut?
[00:18:06] <zeeshan> thats harder
[00:18:09] <zeeshan> that depends on your machine rigidity
[00:18:20] <zeeshan> but if you assume your machine is rigid , you base it off how much the tool deflects
[00:18:33] <just_pink> rigidity?? no rigidity here... this is G0704..
[00:18:42] <zeeshan> just_pink: take it step by step
[00:18:45] <zeeshan> first find rpm.
[00:18:54] <zeeshan> if the rpm exceeds your machine's possible rpm
[00:19:03] <zeeshan> then you know your rpm has to be set to maximum of your machine's rpm.
[00:19:08] <zeeshan> then you calculate feed rate
[00:19:28] <zeeshan> after you know these 2 parameters, you can play around with depth of cut
[00:19:50] <just_pink> 4*75/0.4375
[00:19:51] <zeeshan> on your machine you probably do not want to exceed .1875" deep for aluminum
[00:19:58] <zeeshan> and 0.080 for steel
[00:20:17] <zeeshan> so 685 RPM
[00:20:36] <zeeshan> rootB: i was just kidding you know
[00:20:45] <furrywolf> just_pink: if you want a machine with rigidity, get one like mine. I just bought http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/5163013489.html . it's 6.5ft tall, weighs 4000lbs, and does not flex at all in any direction. :)
[00:21:16] <zeeshan> starrett, mitutoyo, brown & sharpe are the common ones
[00:21:24] <just_pink> zeeshan: if I'm work with higher rpm it can make a problem?
[00:21:29] <furrywolf> tbe table is over 4ft wide. I could set my entire shoptask machine on it.
[00:21:34] <zeeshan> just_pink: yes, it will burn your hss tool faster
[00:21:49] <rootB> well linuxCNC
[00:21:55] <just_pink> zeeshan: I dont have coolant :(
[00:21:56] <rootB> i'll try rebuilding my machine and report back as i advance
[00:22:03] <just_pink> just cutting oil.
[00:22:03] <zeeshan> just_pink: thats why i said 75 sfm
[00:22:04] <PetefromTn_> We use a flow-rate of approximately 5 SCFH for the shield and 10 SCFH for the purge. ??
[00:22:09] <furrywolf> bad news though... the guy I got it from had a couple cnc machines... running mach3. :(
[00:22:11] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: yea!!!
[00:22:13] <zeeshan> isn't that CRAZY?
[00:22:19] <zeeshan> im using 3 times those values
[00:22:20] <zeeshan> lol
[00:22:23] <PetefromTn_> I know I have five times that much
[00:22:37] <zeeshan> the gas lense is really that efficient i guess
[00:23:22] <furrywolf> I tried extolling the virtues of linuxcnc to him, but he likes windows, likes mach3, and didn't see any reason to change.
[00:24:00] <just_pink> I need some saw
[00:24:08] <rootB> is it expensive to set up a linuxCNC machine?
[00:24:16] <zeeshan> about 2000$
[00:24:21] <rootB> fuck
[00:24:25] <zeeshan> im kidding
[00:24:28] <zeeshan> its free
[00:24:31] <zeeshan> if you can run mach 3
[00:24:33] <zeeshan> you can run linuxcnc
[00:24:38] <rootB> i mean hardware wise
[00:24:38] <zeeshan> without any additional changes to hardware
[00:24:39] <just_pink> I need to make 30 parts with the same shape
[00:24:56] <zeeshan> just_pink: i usually call superman
[00:24:59] <zeeshan> he cuts them with his eyes
[00:25:50] <just_pink> hehe lol
[00:26:18] <Wolf_> rootB: are you asking whats needed, like I have a milling machine, what else do I need?
[00:27:36] <PetefromTn_> I wonder how it would affect it if I cranked down the gas... sure would be nice to get more mileage out of the bottle.
[00:28:02] <PetefromTn_> surprised they said the shield is 5 and the backpurge is 10.... I thought it would be the other way around.
[00:28:11] <zeeshan> i usually use 18cfh
[00:28:14] <zeeshan> for 120 amp
[00:28:14] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan what do you use for your back purge
[00:28:20] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/9uPDHsn.png
[00:28:23] <zeeshan> 30 scfh to fil lthe pipe
[00:28:32] <just_pink> this is the part
[00:28:33] <zeeshan> then around 10 cfh after it's filled
[00:28:41] <PetefromTn_> no I mean what is your hardware
[00:28:44] <zeeshan> oh
[00:28:46] <zeeshan> i got a Y
[00:28:47] <zeeshan> and 2 regs
[00:28:50] <zeeshan> im cheap
[00:28:57] <PetefromTn_> pics?
[00:28:57] <zeeshan> the dual flow regulators are like 250
[00:28:59] <zeeshan> F that shit
[00:29:06] <zeeshan> sec brb
[00:29:41] <just_pink> what is the easyest way to make it?
[00:30:04] <PetefromTn_> just_pink what are the dimensions?
[00:30:24] <just_pink> BRB
[00:30:27] <just_pink> cut
[00:31:57] <furrywolf> actually, the broken clamp shaft apparantly has threads on the other end, and with a stud puller, could be removed and a new one fabricated.
[00:32:24] <furrywolf> it looked like one piece when I inspected it, but I guess there's hidden threads.
[00:33:05] <just_pink> back
[00:34:11] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/cIGXVYv.jpg
[00:34:18] <zeeshan> hopefully this pic makes sene
[00:34:30] <zeeshan> theres a T where one end goes to the tank
[00:34:36] <zeeshan> and the 2 ends go to each regulator
[00:35:00] <PetefromTn_> nice did you make that adapter?
[00:35:04] <zeeshan> no
[00:35:05] <zeeshan> bought it
[00:35:10] <zeeshan> i totallyt forgot where i got it
[00:35:14] <zeeshan> but it took a long ass time to find it locally
[00:35:38] <zeeshan> http://weldingdirect.com/ccoteecgfori.html
[00:35:40] <zeeshan> i think this is it
[00:35:43] <zeeshan> but you can get it cheaper
[00:35:56] <just_pink> PetefromTn_: 20mm hight, 10-32 tapped hole, 14mm width
[00:36:09] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[00:36:19] <zeeshan> http://www.brwtechnologies.com/Western_Enterprises_T_92_CGA_580_Tee_Coupler_p/c-2580.htm
[00:36:23] <zeeshan> here you go
[00:36:42] <PetefromTn_> Ooh thats a better price
[00:36:42] <zeeshan> http://www.usaweld.com/Dual-Flowmeter-with-Backpurge-p/dualflowmeter.htm
[00:36:43] <zeeshan> wow
[00:36:43] <zeeshan> wtf
[00:36:50] <zeeshan> dual flow meters are CHEAP
[00:37:03] <zeeshan> i could not find one back in the day for less than $250!!
[00:37:24] <PetefromTn_> jeez thats cheap
[00:37:44] <Wolf_> oo *bookmarks that
[00:38:24] <zeeshan> the only thing is who the hell is HTP
[00:38:37] <zeeshan> are they chinese
[00:38:53] <zeeshan> nm american
[00:38:54] <zeeshan> good
[00:39:04] <PetefromTn_> I might need to buy that
[00:39:30] <zeeshan> technique looks perfect to me
[00:39:33] <zeeshan> just needs some argon love
[00:40:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah my ghetto backpurge has got to go... I need that thing
[00:40:09] <PetefromTn_> just spent a bunch of money today tho
[00:40:33] <PetefromTn_> paid another hundred bucks on my 12 gauge tactical shotgun layaway too
[00:40:40] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/aUTnlwt.png
[00:40:42] <PetefromTn_> and the bottle
[00:40:46] <PetefromTn_> and and and
[00:41:01] <zeeshan> just_pink: you cheapie, buy those things! :P
[00:41:10] <PetefromTn_> what is it?
[00:41:20] <zeeshan> looks like those aluminum extrusion
[00:41:23] <zeeshan> nut things
[00:41:52] <furrywolf> hrmmph! googling suggests that if you convert the machine to run off 220, the clutch solenoid randomly burns out. I guess when I rewind it, I'll need to make some adjustments to the gauge or number of turns.
[00:41:54] <zeeshan> i pretty much spent all day on the computer today
[00:41:56] <furrywolf> but first, bbl, sleep.
[00:41:59] <zeeshan> and i have no frigging model to show for it
[00:42:01] <zeeshan> sad.
[00:42:02] <zeeshan> :(
[00:42:24] <just_pink> zeeshan: I cant fine inserts like that that will fill the whole slot in the extrudrion, and i want it from steel not zinc.
[00:42:51] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HTP-Argon-CO2-Mig-Tig-Flow-meter-Regulator-Welding-Weld-/140514184508?hash=item20b74c4d3c
[00:43:26] <zeeshan> how much does it show for shipping for you?
[00:43:32] <zeeshan> i see $52..
[00:43:35] <PetefromTn_> free
[00:43:38] <zeeshan> haha
[00:43:40] <zeeshan> bastards :-
[00:43:51] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[00:44:02] <PetefromTn_> ya know that Toxicfab guru
[00:44:07] <furrywolf> CO2 regulators with flow meters are $5 here at yard sales, constantly.
[00:44:09] <PetefromTn_> he is up your way in Canukland
[00:44:17] <zeeshan> furrywolf: a 4000 psi tank
[00:44:21] <zeeshan> isn't a place to put a used regulator
[00:44:26] <zeeshan> but suit yourself!! :P
[00:44:34] <Wolf_> doing cnc tig?
[00:44:34] <furrywolf> they're like new, usually only a few seasons old.
[00:45:44] <PetefromTn_> so looks like as nice as that dual setup is I can get that single flowmeter and that adapter you showed for a cheap price
[00:46:00] <furrywolf> see, certain plants grow better if you increase the concentration of CO2 in their atmosphere... so you buy a CO2 regulator with a flow meter and a solenoid valve, wire it to your environmental controller to turn the solenoid on during the "night" when the lights are off (more efficient use of CO2), and use the flow meter to precisely set the rate...
[00:46:42] <zeeshan> are these certain plants called POT plants?
[00:46:43] <zeeshan> :-)
[00:47:04] <furrywolf> yes. yes they are. :P
[00:47:38] <furrywolf> and about one in five yard sales has grow equipment, so you see CO2 equipment too. :P
[00:47:50] <zeeshan> lol
[00:48:22] <furrywolf> for larger grows, CO2 burners are more popular... just natural gas/propane burners designed to burn very cleanly, producing CO2. because propane is cheaper than CO2...
[00:48:46] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan that tee you got does it float so you can balance the two meters or does it just screw in until it stops and then you deal with where they land?
[00:49:02] <zeeshan> it floats
[00:49:06] <zeeshan> its on a what do you call it..
[00:49:10] <zeeshan> flare
[00:49:13] <zeeshan> tube flare
[00:49:20] <PetefromTn_> OK
[00:49:36] <SEL> hello
[00:49:38] <PetefromTn_> http://www.brwtechnologies.com/Western_Enterprises_T_92_CGA_580_Tee_Coupler_p/c-2580.htm you think this one does?
[00:49:45] <zeeshan> yea
[00:49:50] <zeeshan> thats definitely a floating fitting
[00:51:18] <furrywolf> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f39/104955d1397615980-need-help-troubleshooting-feed-brown-sharpe-no-2-universal-20140415_191109_resized.jpg that's what the inside of the power feed speed select box lools like, apparantly.
[00:51:23] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Argon-Bottle-Adaptor-connect-2-regulators-to-1-bottle-Western-T-92-C-2580-/191547352277
[00:51:27] <zeeshan> here it is on ebay
[00:51:35] <zeeshan> what is shipping on that
[00:51:42] <PetefromTn_> that flowmeter is from USAwelding
[00:51:54] <PetefromTn_> I was hoping they had a tee as well so I could combine shipping
[00:52:09] <PetefromTn_> free
[00:52:20] <zeeshan> yayu
[00:52:21] <zeeshan> lol
[00:52:30] <zeeshan> i see 23
[00:52:32] <zeeshan> damn you america
[00:52:55] <SEL> if i set the max_velocity too high, the motor locks
[00:53:38] <furrywolf> bbl
[00:54:21] <furrywolf> SEL: it doesn't lock, it loses steps. if you need a higher max velocity, you need better motors, better drives, and/or a higher drive voltage.
[00:54:57] <furrywolf> you can often get a higher maximum velocity if you lower the maximum acceleration.
[00:57:33] <PetefromTn_> jeez man they have so much crap on their online store I can't even find a tee from them
[00:58:17] <tjtr33> a bridgeport has a 'ram' a slide that moves the spindle position in and out ( in Y ) anyone know of other machines with such adjustment?
[00:58:26] <SEL> well yes, the drive voltage is 24V
[00:58:42] <PetefromTn_> tjtr33 lots of knee mills have that
[00:58:56] <tjtr33> yeah, but besides Bport and clones
[00:59:02] <tjtr33> thx tho
[00:59:44] <tjtr33> i got a need to move head out of way for mounting fixtures, wondering how it was done
[00:59:52] <SEL> the motors are fine, and cheap controller board
[00:59:56] <furrywolf> mine is 54V and I just got parts to upgrade it to 66V. you need more volts. :P
[01:00:06] <furrywolf> note more volts may require better controllers.
[01:00:24] <PetefromTn_> can't you just lower the knee?
[01:01:01] <tjtr33> PetefromTn_, the worktable is fixed, a tank rises surrounding it and fills with a bath
[01:02:04] <tjtr33> PetefromTn_, was wondering if some design used 2 big rails or rods and locked into fwd/rear positions
[01:02:27] <PetefromTn_> OK I have no idea what you are doing sorry
[01:02:43] <tjtr33> the bport was a big dovetail
[01:02:59] <SEL> obviously i can't feed more volts to this controller
[01:03:16] <furrywolf> bbl!
[01:05:28] <SEL> with the default value of max_velocity from stepconf the motor loses steps, i had to lower it
[01:06:11] <furrywolf> sounds like your machine is worse than default.
[01:06:21] <furrywolf> lower the acceleration and/or improve your machine.
[01:06:21] <furrywolf> bbl
[01:07:15] <SEL> thanks i still have to build it
[01:09:00] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: not enough Z headroom to just move it up?
[01:12:19] <tjtr33> no the guy want cheap single axis and has really bigass fixtures.
[01:12:43] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan have you heard of these tig fingers from Weldmonger?
[01:12:47] <tjtr33> aerospace stuff . to set it up he needs access all way around to check casting are on the tooling balls and ref faces
[01:13:25] <tjtr33> hiya CaptHindsight
[01:16:04] <CaptHindsight> dunno, too tired :)
[01:16:08] <tjtr33> i checked googles picture base. seems dovetail and round rams are all thats been dreamed up so far.
[01:16:13] <tjtr33> np thx
[01:16:41] <CaptHindsight> I must be missing something
[01:17:18] <CaptHindsight> bbl
[01:25:47] <PetefromTn_> okay man I just picked up that argon gas flowmeter and the Tee fitting so I can setup this shite properly... gonna get to bed now. MORE practicing tomorrow LOL
[01:28:10] <PetefromTn_> also grabbed a couple of those Tig finger heat insulators hopefully that will make this thick stainless and aluminum welding a bit more pleasurable
[01:31:03] <PetefromTn_> well Gn8
[01:33:14] <tjtr33> gnite
[01:59:31] <tjtr33> gnite all
[02:14:54] <Deejay> moin
[02:32:08] <just_pink> Job completed!
[02:32:12] <just_pink> hi Deejay
[02:46:36] <archivist_herron> a good read http://www.geomet-cmm-software.com/tn-002.htm
[02:48:48] <just_pink> hi archivist_herron
[02:49:18] <archivist_herron> alllo allo
[04:22:42] <just_pink> ?
[04:33:56] <archivist_herron> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Allo_%27Allo!
[04:38:23] <just_pink> archivist_herron:I've finished my first mild steel part
[04:40:17] <archivist_herron> was it right first time :)
[04:42:56] <just_pink> archivist_herron: yeh, It's fit perfectly! so nice, I'm going to make 29 more of it..
[04:47:30] <archivist_herron> make an extra for spares / sample
[04:54:19] <XXCoder> hey just_pink
[04:54:21] <XXCoder> whats up
[06:08:25] <archivist_herron> somewhat expensive http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MITSUBISHI-GD30-CNC-GEAR-HOBBING-MACHINE-/221815131786
[06:09:25] <XXCoder> defnitely experenced machine
[06:15:06] <archivist_herron> I cannot see why it is so costly considering it is 20 years old
[06:16:36] <XXCoder> wall of text
[06:16:40] <XXCoder> so dunno
[06:17:14] <XXCoder> franjkly I'd move on from it
[06:18:12] <XXCoder> hell you can buy a used hurco say, for much less
[06:19:08] <archivist_herron> dont think hurco makes hobbing machines :)
[06:19:20] <XXCoder> oh hobbing
[06:19:21] <XXCoder> whats it
[06:20:09] <XXCoder> hurco vm20 usually 25k or so. somewhat cheap
[06:20:17] <XXCoder> same time hurco is cheap machine company
[06:21:09] <archivist_herron> hobbing machines have geared rotary axes http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Liebherr-L252-Gear-Hobber-/121712705647
[06:21:42] <XXCoder> gear maker?
[06:21:55] <XXCoder> spockets etc
[06:22:23] <archivist_herron> yes
[06:22:37] <XXCoder> interesting
[09:11:26] <SEL> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbBez-Ad5jg
[09:16:47] <archivist_herron> I see no reason linuxcnc could not do that
[09:18:35] <archivist_herron> effectively a sliding head plasma cutter with an extra axis or three
[09:22:24] <SEL> :-)
[09:23:29] <SEL> yes but the sliding head has also a rotative axis
[09:25:09] <SEL> plus another rotative at the torch so i think it is 4 axis
[09:25:49] <SEL> or 5 :-)
[09:38:44] <archivist_herron> torch head has 2 axes of rotation and y the pusher is x and z for torch height and the other tube rotation makes 6
[09:41:54] <fenn> who wants to go swimming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQR0If6miRY
[09:45:31] <archivist_herron> funny how they go one at a time and run
[09:46:22] <archivist_herron> not quite trusting it
[09:47:14] <fenn> a big wave could come along and exceed the travel of the stewart platform
[09:47:25] <fenn> easier to rescue 1 guy than 12
[09:47:36] <CaptHindsight> "The movie speeks for it self" and I didn't write that
[09:52:00] <CaptHindsight> http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/13/tianjin-explosion/tianjin-china-explosion13.w529.h352.2x.jpg does Renault use composites for the hoods?
[09:52:56] <CaptHindsight> where are the engines? were those cars just partially complete?
[09:53:18] <fenn> that laser only has 5 axes of motion, (what would 6 even mean?) the torch has 1 axis of rotation and is synchronized to the big rotary for angled cuts. and there is another sliding joint to move the chuck out of the way but i don't think that's used for positioning
[09:57:22] <Roguish> those cars could have had aluminum hoods. al does burn.
[10:00:23] <CaptHindsight> http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03407/tianjin-explosion-_3407606k.jpg rims survived
[10:00:37] <CaptHindsight> http://media.guim.co.uk/b66856b37dec594082580a77171618a1111f4cf5/0_125_4500_2699/1000.jpg
[10:02:36] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if the ground is also covered with melted glass
[10:04:53] <archivist_herron> the local window repair guys must be going nuts trying to get round and quote for the work
[10:05:35] <fenn> i wouldn't be surprised if they called in the army to fix stuff
[10:05:50] <CaptHindsight> someones going to be in big trouble
[10:44:37] <norias> wow, those cars got destoryed
[10:44:43] <norias> lol @ my typing
[10:45:01] <norias> is it not possible that those were kinda WIP cars?
[10:45:07] <norias> perhaps without hoods and engines?
[10:49:20] <SpeedEvil> If they were all fueled, it's sort-of-possible that it melted enough of the small engine/mounts for it to fall out teh bottom
[10:49:41] <norias> i kind of doubt that
[10:49:55] <norias> it's possible, but i think the more likely answer
[10:49:57] <zeeshan> anyone here do at home diy laser scanning here?
[10:49:59] <norias> is that they were incomplete
[10:50:11] <SpeedEvil> norias: not impossible
[10:50:27] <norias> anyone here feel like helping me think through a business problem?
[10:50:44] <fenn> norias that place was totally wrecked, the cars were complete and waiting for shipment
[10:50:54] <SpeedEvil> norias: First, kill all the lawyers
[10:51:35] <SpeedEvil> https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.tgo.so%2Fpaper%2FshowNews.do%3Fdetailid%3D20150813100038175%26newsType%3D1%26apiVersion%3D3.0%26share%3D1
[10:51:51] <SpeedEvil> Tianjin Big Bang lead to new cars scrapped. 5 o'clock this morning, at a distance of less than 400 meters south of the scene of the explosion at about four or five on the football field-sized parking lot, parked cars thousands of new cars, almost all were burned remaining frames. These vehicles include the Volkswagen Beetle and other vehicle models. Most automotive interior combustible part, nearly all burned out, leaving only the dark body
[10:51:51] <SpeedEvil> frame, car window glass broken in one place.
[10:51:56] <norias> https://www.reddit.com/r/pittsburgh/comments/3gzh4o/how_the_fuck_do_you_people_cut_the_lawn_here/
[10:52:29] <fenn> i'm surprised the wheels survived since the engines liquified
[10:52:39] <norias> sure, new cars, but it doesn't say that they were complete cars
[10:52:49] <norias> there could easily be a body factory in one place, say china
[10:52:59] <norias> and the engine / final assembly in mexico
[10:53:02] <fenn> who the hell lines up a thousand incomplete cars at a port
[10:53:21] <norias> people that need to do final assembly in another country
[10:53:28] <SpeedEvil> fenn: more importantly - cars of different brands
[10:54:04] <SpeedEvil> 'The car yard is the brand distribution in North China where all the cars to exist here, and then sent to the country. "This is what we are disastrous, but I do not know the specifics, steward or boss."
[10:57:02] <malcom2073> norias: Prime territory for autonomous lawnmowers
[10:57:22] <norias> malcom2073: truly
[10:58:01] <SpeedEvil> malcom2073: naah
[10:58:03] <SpeedEvil> quadcopter
[10:58:31] <malcom2073> SpeedEvil: Buddy of mine regularly has to clean grass off his RC helicopter blades heh
[11:00:20] <SpeedEvil> Also - to bring this back on topic.
[11:00:35] <SpeedEvil> Couple of servos, encoders, ropes, and on/off on the Z axis.
[11:19:12] <CaptHindsight> http://blog.caranddriver.com/is-this-the-engine-of-the-future-in-depth-with-matti-holtzberg-and-his-composite-engine-block/
[11:20:27] <CaptHindsight> http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/009.jpg
[11:25:14] <t12> i wonder if this lathe will actually catch threads
[11:25:46] <t12> what indexes how the leadscrew couples to the apron
[11:26:17] <t12> is it just a gear engaging the leadscrew and theirnrelative pitches?
[11:27:02] <archivist> t12, er what lathe
[11:27:48] <t12> well, this weiss thing i got
[11:27:57] <t12> but in general ive never looked into it
[11:28:27] <archivist> I have no idea what lathe you have
[11:29:13] <t12> pm1128, dunno what the weiss model is
[11:29:17] <t12> cheap chinese thing
[11:30:43] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: what is that second pic
[11:36:44] <tjtr33> todays mail list talked about 2.7 able to convert Mach ini-line files. remided me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qw6Hon013E
[11:36:45] <tjtr33> I been SAVED!
[11:37:10] <tjtr33> a different kind of conversion ;)
[11:46:16] <archivist> t12 google lathe thread indicator
[11:52:29] <jdh> are you keeping it manual?
[11:53:44] <jdh> I've mostly given up on my 9x conversion. 11x looks big enough for easy X ballscrew
[11:53:55] <archivist> I keep most lathes manual :)
[11:55:24] <jdh> yeah. I'd still like to have one
[11:58:42] <archivist> I am about to do a 6 tpi thread on the southbend, while the cnc starturn eats internal threads it chokes on large lumps of metal
[12:15:00] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: polymer engine block
[12:16:13] <CaptHindsight> polymer composite
[12:18:26] <zeeshan> nice
[12:18:30] <zeeshan> im trying this 123dapp
[12:18:32] <zeeshan> it looks promising
[12:18:33] <zeeshan> simple to use
[12:18:40] <zeeshan> get roughly the shape you want
[12:51:36] <zeeshan> holy shit
[12:51:40] <zeeshan> 123dapp really works!
[12:51:42] <zeeshan> super power
[12:51:43] <zeeshan> super easy
[12:51:54] <zeeshan> free. cheap no special things needed but a phone.
[13:01:18] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/LASITZ2.jpg
[13:01:24] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/R68kBsl.jpg
[13:01:29] <zeeshan> boy im gonna scan my rx7 with this
[13:09:31] <tjtr33> zeeshan, is that 123d Catch, the photo to model app?
[13:24:30] <zeeshan> yea
[13:24:39] <zeeshan> works REALLY well!!
[13:34:57] <tjtr33> shift knob?
[13:35:38] <PetefromTn_> WOAH I have not seen that before. gonna have to try that...
[13:36:00] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: literally took 10 min
[13:36:03] <zeeshan> now im using splines
[13:36:05] <zeeshan> to get my actual model
[13:36:12] <zeeshan> there is software to convert it to solid
[13:36:17] <zeeshan> but that wont benefit me, cause i just need the form
[13:36:20] <zeeshan> since i will be changing it
[13:39:08] <PetefromTn_> nice what software are you using?
[13:39:22] <PetefromTn_> what does the combined 3d model image output as?
[13:39:35] <PetefromTn_> have not looked into it yet eating lunch ;)
[13:39:40] <zeeshan> im using solidworks
[13:39:44] <zeeshan> the 123d catch outputs stl
[13:39:49] <PetefromTn_> awesome
[13:39:52] <zeeshan> so now its in the world of solidworks
[13:39:55] <zeeshan> so now i trace splines
[13:39:57] <PetefromTn_> awesome jawesome
[13:39:58] <zeeshan> after aligning the 3d object
[13:40:15] <zeeshan> sure as hell beats the image technique iwas using
[13:40:22] <zeeshan> that only really works well for simpler geometry
[13:48:08] <jdh> you are modeling a prairie dog?
[13:48:15] <jdh> or was that a different pic?
[13:54:43] <just_pink_> hi
[13:57:00] <just_pink_> what is the common method to cut stock materials?
[13:57:29] <jdh> hammer and cold chisel?
[13:57:38] <jdh> xacto knife?
[13:57:45] <Wolf_> hacksaw?
[13:57:55] <jdh> laser?
[13:57:59] <just_pink_> I mean like bars of metal..
[13:58:21] <jdh> I have a bandsaw
[13:58:30] <Wolf_> horizontal autofeed bandsaw, is what I use
[13:58:51] <jdh> right. Much easier than chisel and hammer
[13:59:29] <just_pink_> now I'm using hacksaw - sooo slow
[13:59:44] <Wolf_> I also have handheld bandsaws and a 14” cold saw
[14:01:16] <just_pink_> I see that some peapole make "power hacksaw"
[14:02:22] <Wolf_> of all the things I have to do the job the horizontal bandsaw is the best for the job
[14:02:26] <Wolf_> least IMO
[14:03:18] <_methods> http://www.zoro.com/makita-chop-saw-12-in-blade-1-in-arbor-lc1230/i/G2287941/
[14:03:25] <_methods> taht thing is great for ferrous metals
[14:03:26] <just_pink_> what about something like that?
[14:03:28] <just_pink_> https://www.google.com/search?q=cold+saw&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAmoVChMIlp7w6JupxwIVBTo-Ch0E0QGB&biw=1280&bih=609#tbm=isch&q=diy+power+hacksaw
[14:04:25] <just_pink_> mhaberler: I need somthing quite (I'm living in second floor)
[14:04:47] <Wolf_> porta-band imo then
[14:05:01] <_methods> yeah
[14:05:15] <_methods> portaband or one of those harbor freight horizontal bandsaws
[14:05:22] <_methods> i think i paid $200 for mine
[14:05:50] <jdh> $160 for my HF one
[14:06:23] <_methods> yeah i think you can get them on sales for about that
[14:06:30] <_methods> i was impatient
[14:06:55] <_methods> it's actually not bad
[14:07:00] <_methods> i've cut quite a bit of stuff with it now
[14:07:15] <_methods> took some jiggery pokery to get it all tuned in at first
[14:07:32] <jdh> I've only cut Al with mine, but it has been fine out of the box
[14:08:33] <_methods> i've cut all kinds of steel and some alum on mine
[14:08:55] <_methods> the whole spring tension thing took me a bit to get "right"
[14:08:56] <just_pink_> I need somthing that can fit up to 3 by 3 inches/
[14:08:59] <Wolf_> I picked up a milwaukee portable at a pawn shop for $100 years ago and got one of these a couple years ago http://amzn.com/B002R6C4EA cut all sorts of everything with them
[14:09:03] <_methods> but now i can cut without poppin blades
[14:10:14] <just_pink_> http://grizzly.com/products/4-x-6-Metal-Cutting-Bandsaw/G0622
[14:10:31] <_methods> yeah that
[14:10:53] <jdh> http://www.harborfreight.com/horizontal-vertical-metal-cutting-bandsaw-93762.html
[14:10:54] <_methods> they're only $200 at harbor freight
[14:11:00] <jdh> cheaper with coupon
[14:11:20] <Wolf_> heh, my horizontal is about 2x that size
[14:11:54] <Wolf_> the compact porta-band I have will do a 3.25” cut
[14:12:34] <just_pink_> it is noisy?
[14:12:45] <Wolf_> very quiet
[14:13:04] <zeeshan> i use a chisel and hammer myself
[14:13:05] <zeeshan> !
[14:13:14] <just_pink_> what?
[14:13:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah horiz/vertical bandsaw is the ticket
[14:13:53] <_methods> yeah the nice thing about the harbor fright one is you can use it both vertical and horizontal
[14:14:01] <just_pink_> zeeshan: how you cut 2" flat bat with chisel and hammer??
[14:14:03] <PetefromTn_> I had the 4x6 for years and it works okay but the 7x12 is MUCH better if you can afford it. I bought mine used on craigslist for like $350.00
[14:14:20] <zeeshan> with a very big hammer
[14:14:30] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: you got yours cheap dude
[14:14:35] <zeeshan> here the 7x12 is 1200 new
[14:14:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have to
[14:14:37] <zeeshan> i got mine for 500
[14:14:46] <zeeshan> i could never find it for cheaper than that
[14:14:50] <zeeshan> and like you know im a cheapie :P
[14:14:52] <PetefromTn_> I gotta get everything I buy cheap LOL ;)
[14:14:58] <just_pink_> what about the power hacksaw?
[14:15:00] <zeeshan> dude
[14:15:04] <zeeshan> after couple mins of messing around
[14:15:13] <Wolf_> for apartment living I would get something like that milwaukee compact I linked
[14:15:30] <PetefromTn_> just_pink a friend used to work in an old machine shop and they had one of those power hacksaws.. it worked real good but I think the bandsaw is better/faster
[14:15:34] <_methods> well if the power hacksaw was a good design don't you think you'd see them used all over?
[14:15:43] <just_pink_> Wolf_: I want somthing with stand.
[14:15:59] <PetefromTn_> the sheetmetal stand that comes with the 4x6 is a POS
[14:16:06] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/flAqtzY.jpg
[14:16:07] <Wolf_> get a deep cut portaband then and make a stand for it
[14:16:08] <PetefromTn_> I tig welded up a nice much taller stand for mine
[14:16:17] <zeeshan> ITS A PARAMETRIC MODEL!!
[14:16:19] <zeeshan> hooray!!
[14:16:22] <PetefromTn_> nice
[14:16:28] <_methods> the stand with mine isn't too bad
[14:16:29] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna have to try that.
[14:16:30] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i didnt get a table with mine
[14:16:38] <zeeshan> i made mine out of some 3/8" aluminum
[14:16:38] <_methods> i think so many people bitched about the stand they improved it
[14:16:40] <zeeshan> seems to be working fine
[14:16:45] <zeeshan> but i think the weak point is the 2 bolt attachment
[14:16:48] <zeeshan> causes it to be a pos sometimes
[14:16:51] <PetefromTn_> I got one but it is a cheap flimsy thing unfortunately...
[14:16:58] <just_pink_> PetefromTn_: I dont have a tig welder :(
[14:17:00] <Wolf_> like http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachments/tools-supplies/413417d1231359518-porta-band-stand-porta-band-stand-005.jpg
[14:17:10] <_methods> i wouldn't go putting a 20' stick of 6" round on it
[14:17:17] <zeeshan> just_pink: i think you underestimate what a really good hack saw can do
[14:17:18] <_methods> but works for what i'd do
[14:17:18] <PetefromTn_> just_pink you can buy any old steel or wood table and just bolt it down to it
[14:17:23] <zeeshan> let me show you a video of a guy i watch.
[14:17:34] <zeeshan> i wont have to make a video for you!
[14:17:48] <Wolf_> just_pink_: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1368&pictureid=24131
[14:18:24] <zeeshan> just_pink: https://youtu.be/IKVRa8ahvAQ?t=654
[14:18:26] <zeeshan> watch this
[14:18:30] <zeeshan> and you tell me if this is too hard to do
[14:18:35] <zeeshan> a hack saw is like $15 w/ a proper blade
[14:18:52] <PetefromTn_> I have several hacksaws... they are all collecting dust LOL
[14:18:56] <zeeshan> its gotta be 30+ teeth if youre cutting it like he has
[14:19:03] <zeeshan> i use mine to cut tacks a lot
[14:19:08] <zeeshan> it sits next to my welder!!
[14:19:16] <PetefromTn_> I use my air saw ;)
[14:19:21] <zeeshan> nice :(
[14:19:22] <zeeshan> i dont has
[14:19:25] <just_pink_> zeeshan: he say "I'm using my thumb to get it started"
[14:19:41] <zeeshan> just_pink: yea like a guide
[14:19:47] <Wolf_> I use a metal eraser (4.5” grinder)
[14:19:47] <zeeshan> but look at how quick it is
[14:19:59] <zeeshan> theres no composite powder flying around
[14:20:01] <zeeshan> its a nice clean cut
[14:20:04] <Wolf_> least for tacks
[14:21:05] <PetefromTn_> I need to get a mans belt sander machine
[14:21:17] <PetefromTn_> my little one even with my mods is sucking ass
[14:22:31] <just_pink_> what about using sliting saw to cut the stock?
[14:22:44] <Wolf_> I need a belt sander machine as well… really need to build a plasma table
[14:24:08] <Wolf_> on that note, any suggestions on what to get/build for a linuxcnc computer?
[14:26:39] <Rab> zeeshan, that guy's technique sucks and he takes forever to get through 1/8" plate!
[14:27:27] <zeeshan> ?|?
[14:27:59] <Tom_itx> zeeshan
[14:28:16] <zeeshan> hi
[14:28:18] <Rab> Or maybe I'm just a hacksaw masta.
[14:28:20] <Tom_itx> it's friday!
[14:28:25] <zeeshan> TGIF!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:28:36] <PetefromTn_> Woohoo new tooling is IN DA HOUSE!!
[14:28:46] <zeeshan> carbide??!
[14:28:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah baby
[14:28:54] <zeeshan> nice
[14:28:56] <PetefromTn_> hang on pic time
[14:29:32] <Tom_itx> pff on pics.... we want video
[14:29:49] <Tom_itx> zeeshan that looks like a brown turd
[14:29:52] <Rab> just_pink_, bandsaw will be the most quiet option. Potentially quieter than a hacksaw, even.
[14:29:53] <Tom_itx> wtf is it?
[14:29:58] <zeeshan> lol
[14:30:00] <zeeshan> hahahah
[14:30:03] <zeeshan> you'll see when im done with it
[14:30:09] <zeeshan> itll be a polished turd
[14:30:16] <Tom_itx> a handle for something i heard
[14:30:42] <Tom_itx> sure alot of silly modeling for a handle
[14:31:21] <zeeshan> i love getting paid for stuff like this
[14:31:37] <Tom_itx> what? polishing turds?
[14:31:41] <zeeshan> yes
[14:32:30] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/a/TNmr9
[14:33:20] <Tom_itx> yabp
[14:34:11] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, what are you doing with that low helix drill?
[14:34:43] <zeeshan> secksi
[14:34:48] <zeeshan> oxtoolco in the back!
[14:34:56] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[14:36:59] <PetefromTn_> ya know it's funny I have seen and used those power hacksaws and they are really nice, quiet and cool mechanically. But any half decent bandsaw would kick it's ass so I don't see why there are so many youtube videos of people making them...
[14:37:25] <Wolf_> probably just to make it more then use it?
[14:37:26] <PetefromTn_> what's the advantage?
[14:37:31] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: none
[14:37:35] <zeeshan> its a silly design
[14:37:41] <Tom_itx> we had a bandsaw in the shop
[14:37:41] <zeeshan> thats why it is obsolete
[14:37:42] <Wolf_> blades might be easier to come by
[14:37:49] <PetefromTn_> the only thing that I can think of is that you would not have to worry about blade tracking
[14:38:02] <zeeshan> "lets use the same portion of the blade to cut our piece"
[14:38:05] <zeeshan> loll
[14:38:18] <PetefromTn_> yeah and hardly any chip evacuation in comparison
[14:38:55] <PetefromTn_> there must be 5000 youtube videos showing someone's homemade power hacksaw
[14:39:31] <zeeshan> Wolf made one too
[14:39:36] * zeeshan hides
[14:39:45] <PetefromTn_> I could see building a bigass vertical bandsaw that would be really useful and a fun project
[14:40:05] <zeeshan> how about a vertical powder hacksaw?
[14:40:08] <zeeshan> could that be useful?
[14:40:12] <PetefromTn_> and the big metal cutting ones are very expensive
[14:40:42] <Tom_itx> Wolf_, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157497&cm_re=asrock_q1900b-_-13-157-497-_-Product
[14:42:33] <Wolf_> that looks good
[14:43:03] <Tom_itx> i've got that and a q1900m pro3
[14:43:15] <Tom_itx> i can't find it on newegg now
[14:48:24] <PetefromTn_> hopefully these carbide drills will do the job on that cast iron job. hopefully more rigid/less wandering etc.
[14:49:41] <chris_99> i'm just wondering is it possible to install the tools from LinuxCNC, without having to install the full distro?
[14:50:11] <just_pink> what do you think?
[14:50:13] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/LHxlSSW.jpg
[14:50:22] <Wolf_> hmm, I think I have a couple of AMD athlon 64X2 builds laying around, wonder if they would work
[14:50:41] <Tom_itx> do a latency test and find out
[14:50:47] <cradek> chris_99: the cd image we distribute is just for convenience because people usually want full installs. you don't need to use it.
[14:51:23] <chris_99> is there a guide for installing on an existing linux distro?
[14:51:30] <cradek> what distro?
[14:51:56] <chris_99> just ubuntu
[14:52:01] <cradek> which ubuntu?
[14:52:23] <chris_99> 15.04
[14:52:43] <cradek> we don't make packages for that, so you will need to build from source
[14:54:27] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG6miioY6I Now that's what I call a bandsaw ;)
[14:55:16] <Rab> chris_99, are you wanting to use the installation for simulation or other offline work, or for actual machine control?
[14:56:07] <chris_99> i was looking into it for controlling a microscope, using some DIY hardware i am going to make
[14:56:18] <chris_99> one other thing i'm curious about reading the wiki, USB isn't suitable for realtime control? is ethernet any better?
[14:59:34] <pcw_home> yes
[15:00:23] <chris_99> what's that actually due to out of interest, why is usb not suitable, just the way the controller chips function?
[15:02:20] <CaptHindsight> chris_99: it is the USB standard
[15:02:49] <CaptHindsight> and how slowly the bus can respond to events
[15:02:55] <cradek> chris_99: thanks for asking questions BEFORE choosing/buying/building hardware. people who get that wrong cause us no end of frustration.
[15:03:05] <chris_99> heh
[15:03:47] <cradek> no really :-)
[15:04:46] <Wolf_> part of the same reason I came in here, to ask about the system hardware before I start anything, had a feeling it would save me some headaches
[15:05:00] <chris_99> so say i built something that interacts with linuxcnc via ethernet, is there a specification i can follow
[15:05:13] <chris_99> to ensure my hardwrae worked with linuxcnc
[15:08:16] <CaptHindsight> chris_99: I know that you have an engineering background, you'll just need to get up to speed on Linuxcnc by looking over what currently works
[15:08:38] <CaptHindsight> there's lots of documentation but not on every aspect
[15:08:56] <chris_99> okey dokey cool, i just pulled the main repo, i'll have a dig around
[15:12:42] <CaptHindsight> chris_99: there is a fork of Linuxcnc where I think they used USB but it's not supported here. Arais Robot
[15:13:59] <chris_99> interesting thanks
[15:17:27] <Rab> chris_99, this guy offers a proprietary USB controller which interfaces with a patched LinuxCNC: http://www.ecklersoft.com/
[15:19:19] <Rab> 99% sure it works by LinuxCNC issuing an ideal timestamp along with each motion command, and the dongle scheduling the commands in hard real time.
[15:19:20] <CaptHindsight> chris_99: you don't need realtime for moving an XY microscope stage unless you need to coordinate the motion with something
[15:19:54] <CaptHindsight> laser, FIB, spindle, cheese dispenser etc
[15:21:23] <chris_99> heh, yeah i'm curious for other CNC stuff too, although first i'd like to make a XY controller
[15:21:27] <chris_99> cheers Rab i'll check that out
[15:25:46] <LatheBuilder2> howdy
[15:31:50] <Wolf_> ok, so after getting a computer together and latency test done, next step is a parallel breakout right?
[15:32:35] <LatheBuilder2> Wolf_: have your stepper drivers lined up already?
[15:32:41] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: yes, if you're going to use steppers on LPT
[15:33:01] <cradek> chris_99: you probably want to make your device compatible with hm2_eth
[15:33:29] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: are you shopping for LPT break out boards?
[15:33:30] <Wolf_> no, starting from scratch… I have some older servo motors but they are 3phase nema34 with not much info on the windings
[15:33:35] <cradek> (but I can't imagine building something like that for one microscope project, when I could just buy it)
[15:34:03] <Wolf_> CaptHindsight: I think so, LPT seems like the simplest way right?
[15:34:16] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: for steppers
[15:34:56] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKsqyPbo0Lg pretty cool... Petefromtn Eyeballs the wife's treadmill now hehe
[15:35:04] <chris_99> cradek, thanks i'll have a look, is that using raw ethernet frames or IP
[15:35:11] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: servos are closed loop, and there are a few off the shelf options for IO
[15:35:17] <Wolf_> yeah, steppers, planning on doing a seig x1 conversion to start
[15:36:23] <cradek> > I am willing to sell you preprogrammed pic chips for your application. Based on my sublicense agreement with Microchip this arrangement works best because each pic chip must be programmed with unique USB descriptors (ie: pid/vid, serial number, product ID).
[15:36:35] <cradek> that rt-stepper thing is not remotely open source
[15:36:56] <cradek> I'm not sure it's related to linuxcnc at all
[15:37:36] <Tom_itx> fits right in here then
[16:32:12] <Wolf_> CaptHindsight: Yeah, I understand the servo thing (mostly), was going to go with eBay steppers/driver set probably for the X1 conversion and save the servos for when I have a clue of WTF I’m doing. I have a general idea of how this all works, I have a 3d printer but that thing is a toy vs doing a cnc mill it seems
[16:44:14] <Rab> cradek, this is the guy's glue: https://code.google.com/p/rtstepperemc/
[16:44:46] <Rab> He seems really insistent on using "EMC2".
[16:44:47] <tjb1> JT-Shop, how is your printer?
[16:45:10] <JT-Shop> which one lol
[16:45:17] <tjb1> You have more than one now?
[16:45:30] <tjb1> Any pictures?
[16:45:47] <JT-Shop> 3-d got pushed back to the stack of to-do's
[16:46:09] <tjb1> Booo
[16:46:14] <JT-Shop> dang customers and other things have been keeping me busy
[16:46:22] <tjb1> Pssh customers, what good are they
[16:46:48] <JT-Shop> building a vertical stand for my 7x12 bandsaw to gain floor space lol
[16:46:50] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/7x12-bandsaw/7%20x%2012%20Bandsaw%2002.jpg
[16:49:22] <tjb1> Very nice
[16:52:26] <furrywolf> Rab: I find names with "linux" in them to be generally tacky, and changing your name just because another company is a bully didn't sit right with a lot of people.
[16:53:11] <andypugh> It didn’t sit right with us, but what were we to do?
[16:53:41] <furrywolf> well, apparantly one option is to be really insistent on using EMC2. :)
[16:54:01] <andypugh> I think “LinuxCNC” was chosen because that was already the website domain.
[16:54:45] <andypugh> And would you have volunteered to be the guy making all the court appearances and recieving the writs?
[16:55:02] <furrywolf> I'm just answering what Rab said.
[16:55:15] <furrywolf> as to why this person might be using the old name.
[16:55:37] <andypugh> Ah, well, I just joined and didn’t see that
[16:59:08] <Deejay> gn8
[16:59:24] * furrywolf tries to figure out what to have for breakfast
[16:59:33] <furrywolf> I should use up my salad, but I'm really not in the salad mood.
[17:00:25] <andypugh> melted cheese on a bed of salas
[17:00:28] <andypugh> (sald)
[17:00:38] <andypugh> no, “salad” is the word.
[17:00:54] <furrywolf> melted cheese on salsa ON CHIPS would be good. :P
[17:01:52] <andypugh> Jymmm: Those castors I showed on eBay just moved the 750kg lathe.
[17:02:34] <andypugh> This is the lathe that did this to my engine hoist: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/XL4OqxaxNMEKRxir614JftMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[17:02:47] <furrywolf> I need to move a 4000+lb milling machine. what casters did you get, and how? :)
[17:03:34] <andypugh> For that, I would get a man with a big HIAB truck
[17:04:37] <furrywolf> we dropped it off at a relative's garage, as he had, among other things, a working truck, a trailer, a garage, a reliable supply of 230V @ 5hp, and a neighbor with a big forklift who'd move it just for getting to use it to make a new part for his saw.... but the forklift was too tall for the big rollup door, so we pushed it about 3ft in, and that's where it sits...
[17:04:47] <furrywolf> I wish I had all those things. heh.
[17:05:08] <Wolf_> having a forklift is handy :D
[17:05:19] <furrywolf> I was planning on bringing it here, but he convinced me that having it inside rather than in my driveway under a tarp, and running off mains instead of my inverter, was better...
[17:05:32] <andypugh> Fot the lathe (which needs to move away from the wall for servicing) I have made a sectional frame with jacking mounts for the castors. So, I build up the frame round the lathe, jack it a few mm off the ground, then move it. Then lower it again.
[17:06:55] <furrywolf> it weighs 3750lbs without the optional accessories, but it has a 3-phase converter and a second power panel stuck to the back of it, plus a full tank of coolant, etc, bring it up to around 4000lbs...
[17:07:07] <furrywolf> 1815kg or so
[17:08:53] <just_pink> hi
[17:09:26] <just_pink> where i can get 82 deg 1/4" counter sink?
[17:09:33] <zeeshan> god i hate surface modeling
[17:09:34] <zeeshan> piece of shit
[17:09:46] <zeeshan> maybe my approach is WRONG
[17:09:58] <furrywolf> today's project is to replace the power cord on it... it came with about 50ft of 6/3, but it's in pretty sad shape, and my relative has stated it is not to have power applied to it on his premesis. heh.
[17:10:03] <zeeshan> furrywolf: just use pipe
[17:10:23] <zeeshan> furrywolf: your relative sounds like a dick
[17:10:23] <zeeshan> :P
[17:10:34] <furrywolf> I'm worried about cracking the base, since it's hollow and also the coolant tank...
[17:10:40] <andypugh> just_pink: How many are you doing? You could just grind a drill
[17:10:44] <furrywolf> he said he didn't want his shop burning down. heh.
[17:11:14] <just_pink> andypugh: I dont have a grinder :(
[17:11:36] <andypugh> Well, that’s something you need to fix _right_ away :-)
[17:11:53] <furrywolf> I went over the repair manual last night, and I think I can just lock the burnt out solenoid on for now. it just actuates a clutch that disengages the table drive motor if the machine's power is shut down during operation. it's always on whenever the machine is on, and exists only to make sure the table stops moving before the spindle stops turning if power is killed.
[17:12:44] <furrywolf> I think some baling wire and a note saying "don't turn the power off while using the power feed" is sufficient for now.
[17:12:55] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/oiARRav.jpg
[17:12:57] <zeeshan> scanned data
[17:13:02] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/IyhcpqP.jpg
[17:13:07] <zeeshan> curve generated from profile
[17:13:11] <andypugh> just_pink: If you can wait: http://www.amazon.com/Drill-America-High-Speed-Chatterless-Countersink/dp/B00FXBQG1I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439588974&sr=8-1&keywords=countersink+82
[17:13:12] <zeeshan> am i doing this correct
[17:13:15] <zeeshan> cause this is brutal
[17:13:50] <furrywolf> and that is...? lol
[17:14:03] <zeeshan> A LOG OF SHIT
[17:14:05] <zeeshan> is what it is!!!
[17:14:17] <furrywolf> that's about what it looks like.
[17:14:21] <just_pink> BRB
[17:14:21] <andypugh> zeeshan: You might find an intepolation spline is easier than a control-point spline
[17:17:10] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/5163013489.html is hard to move!
[17:18:18] <just_pink> furrywolf: http://www.airfloat.com/moving-heavy-electrical-equipment-on-air-bearings/
[17:18:52] <just_pink> you just neet to lift it few inches..
[17:20:26] <furrywolf> heh, I could build something like that... try to get it into some steel plate with weatherstripping around the edges and a couple air hoses...
[17:20:30] <furrywolf> s/into/onto
[17:21:18] <just_pink> or - use 4 bottle jack with frame that you will attached to the bottom of the machine, than put a dolly and lower the jacks.
[17:22:11] <andypugh> Bear with me…
[17:22:14] <furrywolf> his concrete floor is pretty crappy in places, would need rubber gaskets.
[17:23:18] <just_pink> furrywolf: you need to make like frame with 4 hydraulic legs and than just bolt it to the bottom cast iron part..
[17:23:45] <furrywolf> justanotheruser: that's a lot of work. tacking a couple air fittings to a piece of scrap plate is not. :P
[17:23:55] <justanotheruser> furrywolf: what
[17:23:58] <furrywolf> or just going to the scrapyard and picking up some scrap 1" water pipe.
[17:24:44] <furrywolf> justanotheruser: you or just_pink needs to change nicks. :P
[17:24:44] <just_pink> furrywolf: you can weld/
[17:24:57] <justanotheruser> I vote just_pink
[17:25:03] <furrywolf> justanotheruser: that was meant for just_pink, sorry.
[17:25:38] <furrywolf> it'd also help if bitchx had some simple logic to complete nicks to whomever spoke last, rather than randomly picking a match.
[17:25:44] <just_pink> I can't find nice nick :(
[17:25:59] <justanotheruser> jist_pink
[17:26:09] <just_pink> no!
[17:26:24] <just_pink> jistanotheruser
[17:26:57] <furrywolf> the only pink things I have are silicone. lol
[17:27:19] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ss_PZDWP0 Oh I am so gonna built this....
[17:27:30] <andypugh> furrywolf: Hmm, the chap behind Splorch is called “Wolf” too. More than coincidence?
[17:28:53] * furrywolf has no idea what splorch is
[17:29:17] <Wolf_> eh
[17:29:18] <andypugh> Most people don’t want to. I didn’t.
[17:29:25] <CaptHindsight> http://phys.org/news/2015-08-ohm-drop-in-car-battery.html The batteries are LiFePO4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_iron_phosphate_battery
[17:29:47] <CaptHindsight> 6-pound drop-in replacement
[17:30:04] <SpeedEvil> 6 pound is considerably more than most need.
[17:30:32] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop how high will it sit?
[17:30:42] <SpeedEvil> - in that smaller batteries will be able to start cars
[17:30:47] <PetefromTn_> gonna want pics when you are done ;)
[17:30:53] <andypugh> No need for hydraulics to make jacking castor legs: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/oJlPdB7G2BhcBXXzSgiGytMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[17:31:12] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/vHgoSscmDmMq1LRbaEAy7NMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[17:31:36] <furrywolf> "Lasts more than twice than lead-acid batteries, which go for three years. Here, you are looking at a 7-year average lifetime." ... wtf? a car battery is 5-10 years depending on treatment.
[17:31:43] <andypugh> (The strap was an experiment, I will make metal hooks.)
[17:32:06] <PetefromTn_> andypugh nice man... MOBILE base
[17:32:22] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: that depends on climate
[17:32:29] <andypugh> The idea is that it can be configured to move the mill too.
[17:32:30] <furrywolf> and if that 6lbs includes both the lifepo4 batteries AND ultracapacitors, it'll have virtually no reserve capacity.
[17:32:56] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, the bandsaw?
[17:33:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah man
[17:33:19] <JT-Shop> the cutting surface will be 40" off the floor
[17:33:28] <JT-Shop> more or less
[17:33:38] <PetefromTn_> nice... I hate bending over mine all the time
[17:33:50] <furrywolf> maybe it will start the car, if the car starts on the first try, and you never want to turn on the lights or stereo without the car running...
[17:34:09] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, tested my rigid tapping last night
[17:34:11] <JT-Shop> my horz is pretty low, but I'm converting the 7x12 to vertical only
[17:34:16] <JT-Shop> and?
[17:34:17] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: why would it have ultracaps?
[17:34:25] <Tom_itx> have video but you won't wanna click... too much bandwidth
[17:34:26] <just_pink> furrywolf: http://i.imgur.com/AVNBhjD.png
[17:34:31] <PetefromTn_> OH that is a great idea...
[17:35:02] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: 1) because the web page says it does, 2) because a lifepo4 battery that size can't supply 500A very well.
[17:35:09] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, picture a tap going into a hunk of wood as expected
[17:35:10] <JT-Shop> yea, the 7x12 is so crappy it won't cut straight so might as well use it as a vertial
[17:35:15] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsjde_pKUkk&feature=youtu.be
[17:35:16] <JT-Shop> Nice!
[17:35:57] <PetefromTn_> really? mine cuts perfectly straight even with the messed up blade on it
[17:36:17] <Tom_itx> few minor hitches with the pendant but that's a result of adding reverse
[17:36:24] <JT-Shop> the guides won't stay adjusted
[17:36:31] <Tom_itx> not sure what's going on with that yet
[17:36:45] <JT-Shop> you sneeze and it cuts crooked
[17:37:01] <JT-Shop> anyway I have a good horz so I don't need two
[17:37:08] <furrywolf> my bandsaw is useless due to cutting crooked.
[17:37:16] <furrywolf> I'll sell it if I have a yard sale.
[17:37:24] <PetefromTn_> nice I look forward to seeing your progress with it.
[17:37:43] <furrywolf> it's an older dayton, but worn out.
[17:38:15] <just_pink> furrywolf: what do you think abput my idea about lifting the machine?
[17:38:45] <furrywolf> just_pink: attaching to the sides won't work. and I already know I could build a giant dolly for it. I'm going got quick, cheap, temporary.
[17:38:46] <andypugh> just_pink: Seems vaguely similar to what I just made
[17:38:52] <JT-Shop> the frame is done, I'm just putting some brackets for the bottom shelf to hold my lead collection
[17:38:57] <furrywolf> s/got/for
[17:39:06] <furrywolf> I could use pipe if I got it onto a piece of steel plate.
[17:39:14] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: i had the same problem with it cutting crooked
[17:39:22] <zeeshan> i fixed it..
[17:39:32] <JT-Shop> I fixed mine too
[17:39:41] <zeeshan> i adjusted the guides, and decreased feed pressure and changed the blade
[17:39:48] <zeeshan> cuts within 20 thou now
[17:39:58] <zeeshan> before it was almost out by 1/8
[17:40:39] <furrywolf> mine cuts so crooked it binds the band about a half inch down in a block of wood.
[17:41:18] <JT-Shop> I fixed mine by getting a Wilton 9x16 with 1" blade
[17:41:31] <zeeshan> haha nice
[17:41:38] <zeeshan> beastly
[17:41:57] <JT-Shop> I do a lot of square tube fabrication and had to have a good bandsaw
[17:42:19] <zeeshan> im happy with it now
[17:42:21] <JT-Shop> the crappy one got the money for the good one
[17:42:28] <zeeshan> i actually recently adjusted it (for that hub job i just did)
[17:42:40] <JT-Shop> I could have fixed the 7x12 but needed a bigger saw
[17:42:49] <zeeshan> yea it is kinda small
[17:42:52] <Tom_itx> looks like the first drill press i owned; http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mUlabwzBtMoSbClN6smz27g.jpg
[17:42:54] <zeeshan> when youre dealing with plates
[17:43:11] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: that looks like death
[17:43:15] <JT-Shop> the first machine I built http://gnipsel.com/shop/bench-grinder.xhtml
[17:43:22] <zeeshan> rofl
[17:43:26] <JT-Shop> it still works!
[17:43:26] <zeeshan> nice!
[17:43:29] <furrywolf> "DUI Driver Runs Red Light, Smashes Into Police Car" yay. that's one drunk driver that'll learn a lesson the hard way...
[17:43:38] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i got one of those!
[17:43:40] <JT-Shop> built that when I was 14 or so
[17:43:44] <zeeshan> is that a dayton motor?
[17:43:47] <Tom_itx> switch was an option...
[17:43:51] <zeeshan> cause i swear to god it looks like one
[17:43:55] <zeeshan> and i have that thing on my bead roller
[17:44:01] <JT-Shop> I think it was out of a air handler
[17:44:32] <JT-Shop> and I still have the dang thing
[17:44:33] <deep_pink> furrywolf: the machine is so rusty, how do you know it's not junk?
[17:44:50] <furrywolf> deep_pink: it runs great. he had it powered up when I got it.
[17:45:10] <andypugh> Tom_itx: That drill is the baby brother of the one that Keith Fenner uses.
[17:45:12] <furrywolf> "Parolee Sustains Electrical Burns While Goofing Around in the PG&E Substation at Three A.M." you'd think tweekers would have learned to not steal live wiring one of these years...
[17:45:24] <deep_pink> there is a way to remove the rust?
[17:45:54] <Tom_itx> andypugh, i got it along with my 1/2" plate steel work table from my neighbor that was a retired welder
[17:46:03] <furrywolf> there's lots of ways to remove rust. the easiest way is not. :P
[17:46:04] <Tom_itx> in my early teens
[17:48:07] <andypugh> Tom_itx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD2Hpiy-lL0 It’s a lovely old drill. Whirling belts all over.
[17:48:17] <Tom_itx> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/dP0AAOSwLa9UVq7w/$_35.JPG
[17:48:21] <Tom_itx> must be a newer model
[17:50:28] <andypugh> Tom_itx: What’s the auction number? It’s lovely :-)
[17:51:47] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-VINTAGE-FLAT-BELT-DRIVEN-BUFFALO-FORGE-NY-NY-10-11251-DRILL-PRESS-/331578542447?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d339f096f
[17:53:03] <andypugh> It’s not $150 of lovely with a broken tooth.
[17:53:21] <Tom_itx> no
[17:53:22] <andypugh> (and he won’t ship to the UK)
[17:53:56] <andypugh> “Country/Region of Manufacture: Taiwan” ?
[17:54:17] <Tom_itx> i seriously doubt it
[17:54:29] <Tom_itx> probably buffalo NY
[17:55:07] <andypugh> Yes, that would have been my guess too. :-)
[17:55:43] <Tom_itx> back in the steel boom days when everything was overbuilt
[17:56:04] <andypugh> Somebody put a Rivett 608 steady-rest on eBay a few days ago. $40 BIN. It went in minutes.
[17:56:38] <Tom_itx> couldn't get your fingers on the kbd quick enough?
[17:57:14] <andypugh> Wouldn’t ship to the UK
[17:57:54] <andypugh> And I don’t actually _use_ the Rivett.
[17:59:01] <zeeshan> die splines
[17:59:02] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Vintage-Iron-Canedy-Otto-Bench-top-Drill-Press-No-24-Made-in-USA-Nice-/310879123441?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4861d6f7f1
[17:59:04] <Tom_itx> holy crap
[17:59:47] <andypugh> This is the Rivett steady. Typical Rivett, cast then form-milled and polished all over: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Small-Lathe-Steady-Rest-/171892431392?hash=item2805965a20&nma=true&si=Fs99ZkUhbpJ2dEh6c6YSD8tuMfU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
[17:59:56] <andypugh> (OK, that one needs work)
[18:00:29] <andypugh> That’s mad
[18:00:36] <andypugh> You note nobody has bought it
[18:00:51] <Tom_itx> lotsa watchers
[18:01:29] <andypugh> I paid £120 for my Rivett 608.
[18:01:51] <LatheBuilder2> did it look as nice when you bought it?
[18:02:12] <Tom_itx> the shaft across the top probably originally had flat belt drive to the celing
[18:02:32] <andypugh> I think i got a bargain considering.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivett-608-Lathe-Threading-Dial-Indicator-/291533211897?hash=item43e0bbc8f9&nma=true&si=Fs99ZkUhbpJ2dEh6c6YSD8tuMfU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
[18:05:27] <andypugh> LatheBuilder2: It looked pretty much as nice. It had a few screws and small parts missing, and it had no stand.
[18:06:47] <andypugh> I reckon the stand has doubled the value. Well, I hope so, as the wood for the stand cost more than the lathe. :-)
[18:08:00] <andypugh> Hmm, I can see why he is selling this, he has another int he background :-) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivett-Precision-8-Very-Early-Rivett-cast-iron-stand-608-Lots-of-tooling/291536785861?_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D33097%26meid%3D06ca00c3b3f04eb1b11bad6ab3c1f084%26pid%3D100012%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D291533211897
[18:08:02] <LatheBuilder2> looks good with the stand...thought it was a museum shot until I saw what looked like living room stuff in the corner of the pic.
[18:08:24] <andypugh> Yes, it’s next to my TV.
[18:08:46] <andypugh> Partly why it doesn’t get used much. Ruins the carpet, you know.
[18:09:31] <LatheBuilder2> Nice. I used to keep a lathe in my bedroom...moved to a house, now my wife is happy to let me use the whole garage
[18:09:33] <LatheBuilder2> =)
[18:10:09] <LatheBuilder2> Ya, nothing quite like chips stuck in your socks
[18:10:46] <JT-Shop> frame is done... time to spend with the wife now
[18:11:13] <andypugh> You get a lot more done without wives you know :-)
[18:11:51] <JT-Shop> yes, but I save a lot of time cooking and washing to make up for it
[18:12:06] <JT-Shop> I do a lot of the cooking cause I like to
[18:12:40] <andypugh> I don’t need to do washing. I am able to live in squalor :-)
[18:12:57] <JT-Shop> oh andypugh when I was taking about all the crap I did at the bank the other day, I've reduced my gravitational attraction in the last few years
[18:13:22] <JT-Shop> and built up strength riding the mountain bike
[18:13:48] <andypugh> I am trying to do the same.
[18:15:21] <JT-Shop> I find the older I get the more I think about my health and general shape... I no longer want to be round
[18:15:31] <andypugh> I just sent €25 to the guy who wrote Photorec. It’s free, but it has got me out of such a hole.
[18:15:34] <furrywolf> as soon as I find a wife, I'll start worrying about things like that.
[18:15:58] <andypugh> I think I could handle one on timeshare.
[18:16:08] <furrywolf> lol
[18:16:19] <JT-Shop> that the software that recovered your disk?
[18:16:26] * furrywolf has a smaller portion of women than andy to pick from
[18:16:36] <andypugh> (I am not entirely kidding, a good friend has two boyfriends, and that has worked well for them fo 20 years)
[18:16:37] <Tom_itx> andypugh, the free i saw was limited size recovery
[18:17:04] <JT-Shop> I'm 15 stone and looking for 14 I think
[18:17:05] <furrywolf> polygamy has worked well for thousands of years. :P
[18:17:22] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Interesting, was that the Linux command line version?
[18:17:29] <Tom_itx> no
[18:17:37] <Tom_itx> windows iirc
[18:17:50] <andypugh> I need the Linux version, it’s running on the actual NAS
[18:18:36] <Tom_itx> http://www.wondershare.net/ad/data-recovery/?gclid=Cj0KEQjwo7auBRCOtoqn_s-G7aMBEiQAxArNrDFR5G7cXVRiH7ZFmXmazJS5e3m3jWxa5Yp64lSXzekaAvq48P8HAQ
[18:18:37] <andypugh> ssh root@backup.local / apt-get install testdisk
[18:18:41] <Tom_itx> unless that's something else
[18:19:11] <andypugh> It is something else, you want: http://www.cgsecurity.org
[18:22:26] <Tom_itx> thanks. i'm sure some day i'll need it
[18:23:42] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I get worried when I get close to 14 stone, but I am pretty short.
[18:26:47] <zeeshan> are you guys seriously talking in stones
[18:26:48] <zeeshan> you cavemen!
[18:26:49] <zeeshan> :P
[18:27:16] <andypugh> It’s all I understand for measurong people.
[18:27:33] <zeeshan> let me throw 10 stones at your head to correct that
[18:27:36] <zeeshan> :-)
[18:27:53] <zeeshan> its an interesting unit
[18:28:01] <andypugh> Which is very odd, because imperial measurments for anything else mean nothing to me. Like the 4000lb mill, I had no idea if that was heavy until I converted to kg
[18:28:40] <zeeshan> i just compare it to a car
[18:28:42] <zeeshan> to get a feel
[18:28:48] <zeeshan> but my gf is the same way, she understands kilos
[18:28:51] <zeeshan> not lb
[18:29:06] <andypugh> Yes, and I know a car is 1500-2500 kg. No idea what that is in lb
[18:29:13] <andypugh> Or, in fact, stones.
[18:29:17] <zeeshan> multiply by 2
[18:29:17] <zeeshan> :P
[18:29:26] <zeeshan> approx
[18:29:31] <furrywolf> if you mention kilos here, people think you're talking about heroin or meth.
[18:30:00] <andypugh> zeeshan: Yes, I know how to convert, but I have to, to get the sense.
[18:30:14] <zeeshan> im opposite
[18:30:16] <zeeshan> i gotta divide by 2
[18:30:20] <zeeshan> :-(
[18:30:22] <andypugh> I know that 1000kg is a lot to move by hand, and 100kg is a lot to lift by hand
[18:30:29] <zeeshan> weakling
[18:30:47] <zeeshan> andypugh: this spline shit
[18:30:51] <zeeshan> sigh :(
[18:31:04] <andypugh> But, I also know that 16 stone is “quite fat” and 6’ is “quite tall” and the meteric equivalents don’t mean the same to me.
[18:31:49] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/igYJlfo.jpg
[18:31:51] <zeeshan> slowly coming together
[18:32:03] <spline> zeeshan: :-P
[18:32:08] <zeeshan> spline hahaha
[18:32:10] <spline> hehe
[18:32:16] <furrywolf> andypugh: once me and three other people were loading a toyota V6 with transmission and transfer case into a truck. we were a ways away from the truck. we'd each grab a corner, walk a few feet, drop it back down, and rest. a friend of the guy we were getting it from walked over, and simply said "let me show you how it's done". we stood back, and he proceeded to squat, grab the engine+tranny+tcase, pick it up, carry it over to our truck, and set it in
[18:32:26] <andypugh> When my robot was 100kg i could handle it. When it went up to 120kg it was really quite hard to carry it up the stairs. In fact I am not sure I could, now.
[18:32:41] <zeeshan> andypugh: he's growing?
[18:32:55] <andypugh> No, I am aging.
[18:33:14] <andypugh> And mullered a knee in the interim.
[18:33:35] <andypugh> Or you mean the 100kg to 120kg? That was a rules change
[18:34:43] <furrywolf> what variety of robot?
[18:34:47] <andypugh> ( I am not talking about an actual robot, I am talking about a heavy radio control car with spikes)
[18:35:46] <furrywolf> so combat robot, then. :P
[18:36:05] <andypugh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKrdvYILb6w
[18:36:21] <andypugh> (Mine was SMIDSY)
[18:37:17] <furrywolf> is craig charles actually a slob like lister? :P
[18:38:10] <andypugh> No, he’s a nice chap
[18:38:44] * furrywolf doesn't recognize the anouncer's voice, must have been after his time there
[18:39:04] <furrywolf> or is that before
[18:39:13] <andypugh> UK robotwars?
[18:39:51] <andypugh> We were in seris 3-7
[18:40:18] <furrywolf> I always figured if I did something like that, I'd build a shw walker. like all walkers, it might suck, but it'd be fun. :P
[18:40:43] <andypugh> Yeah, I think I might go crazy + rubbbish if it came back
[18:41:47] <furrywolf> I think the current rules here allow for double weight for walkers... a shw walker is friggin' huge.
[18:42:19] <andypugh> Philippa would wander up at interview time, the chap with the clipboard would give her 3 names and a fact. She would have a conversation, get all the names right, work in the fact, and move on. One take, right every time. Very impressive.
[18:43:07] <furrywolf> lol
[18:43:52] <andypugh> It’s the skill-set she was being paid for.
[18:44:04] <furrywolf> double weight, and explicit prohibitions against shuffling of any variety.
[18:44:08] <andypugh> Being super-cute was a bonus.
[18:44:57] * furrywolf doesn't care much about what people look like. BRAAAAINS.
[18:45:03] <andypugh> When we did an international challenge there was a “walker” from the US.
[18:46:12] <andypugh> It had a pair of 3-lobe eccentrics and three aluminium bars on each side. It worked pretty well, and the drive system was pretty tough. It “walked” at 1000 steps per minute
[18:46:47] <furrywolf> yeah, that's called shuffling now. it pissed a lot of people off.
[18:46:56] <furrywolf> it's banned. :)
[18:47:02] <andypugh> It was very loud and very funny :-)
[18:47:03] <furrywolf> or, at least, puts you in the non-walking weight limit.
[18:48:32] <andypugh> I think they should bring it back. The world has changed. The folk who did it last time now have garages full of CNC, and instead of mystery black boxes that fail and can’t be replaced we have Arduinos that they sell in Maplin.
[18:49:35] <andypugh> Back then it was, basically, rubbish. Now it might be quite good.
[18:49:44] <furrywolf> I don't know about in the uk, but in the US there's non-telivised robot combat leagues.
[18:50:30] <andypugh> Yes, that exists in the UK too. But it doesn’t attract anyone even slightly normal.
[18:50:39] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40dd7FwK8YI one of the guys who did one of those is on irc somewhere around here... can't remember which machine or person though. lol
[18:51:53] <furrywolf> you think anyone in here is normal instead? :P
[18:52:41] <andypugh> One person on here is normal. The rest of you are freaks.
[18:53:01] * furrywolf must be that person
[18:53:03] <zeeshan> if youre ugly
[18:53:05] <zeeshan> dont talk to me
[18:53:06] <zeeshan> thx
[18:53:42] <zeeshan> THAT MEANS YOU FURRY!!
[18:53:43] <zeeshan> jk
[18:53:44] * furrywolf signs zee up for that dating website only for non-ugly people
[18:53:57] <zeeshan> im SEXY where it counts
[18:54:26] <zeeshan> I cnc them slutty aluminum pieces at 2000 sfm!
[18:54:50] <Tom_itx> go polish your turd
[18:54:55] <zeeshan> LOL
[18:54:56] <zeeshan> nice
[18:57:28] <andypugh> furrywolf: That was some great driving there
[18:58:39] <zeeshan> ive got a playlist on youtube going
[18:58:48] <zeeshan> somehow it ended up to french rap
[18:58:49] <zeeshan> hmm
[18:58:52] <furrywolf> andypugh: driving is just as important as robot design when it comes to winning. you can give the a champion robot to an idiot and it'll lose halfway through the match...
[18:59:25] <andypugh> Our main strength was our driver (and, eventually, a very reliable robot)
[18:59:37] <furrywolf> sewer snake has a generally very good driver
[19:01:28] <andypugh> In my time the only properly destructive robot was Hypnodisc. Folk needed bin-bags to take their robot home. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w04BgclPmY8
[19:02:00] <furrywolf> yes, I remember hypnodisc.
[19:02:05] <fenn> andypugh: what is the stand for your holbrook made out of? is it concrete?
[19:02:26] <furrywolf> there's a lot of really devestating kinetic energy weapons out there now
[19:02:45] <andypugh> fenn: No, it’s all cast iron
[19:03:25] <andypugh> But the drive train is huge and heavy: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bXi9y-7WGDJSi8r0Rhr6XNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[19:03:53] <andypugh> Big motor, bigger variator, 2-speed box
[19:05:05] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpjwvsIhH4 lol @ giving your opponent your spare parts. that's sportsmanship. :)
[19:06:03] <andypugh> Yes, one of our battles we could only fight because the opponent gave us some parts.
[19:06:15] <andypugh> They won, which seemed fair
[19:09:53] <furrywolf> one of the videos is uploaded by user "Google Can Suck My Dick". I'm surprised they don't ban you for usernames like that.
[19:10:45] <zeeshan> rofl
[19:10:45] <zeeshan> rofl
[19:12:30] <furrywolf> that was one thing noticably different between scrapheap challenge and junkyard wars... the uk teams would always help each other out. the us teams far less commonly.
[19:13:24] <zeeshan> http://www.123dapp.com/catch/vise/4294559
[19:13:27] <zeeshan> can anyone open this link
[19:13:28] <zeeshan> or does it say
[19:13:33] <zeeshan> "Whoops, looks like something went wrong."
[19:14:24] <fenn> "Sign in to download"
[19:14:29] <zeeshan> wtf
[19:14:31] <zeeshan> is wrong with my browser
[19:14:40] <andypugh> My favourite robot of all when I was playing was Razer. It just so looked the part. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJxPLqO3EBE
[19:14:55] <zeeshan> ok had to restart browser
[19:14:57] <andypugh> zeeshan: I can see it. It looks nothing like
[19:15:12] <zeeshan> lol
[19:15:13] <zeeshan> i see it!!
[19:15:16] <zeeshan> its my milling vise!!
[19:15:19] <zeeshan> hahaha i love this app
[19:15:47] <andypugh> Ah, I thought it was the stool you are modelling
[19:18:28] <ffurrywol> speaking of vises, I'm in the market for an old brown&sharpe vise to match my machine, if anyone has one getting rusty...
[19:19:18] <andypugh> I have a twin Kurt with no jaws free to a good home.
[19:19:28] <deep_pink> HF stop with the 20% coupon?
[19:19:35] <zeeshan> ILL TAKE!
[19:19:36] <zeeshan> :P
[19:19:47] <andypugh> You pay postage?
[19:19:53] <zeeshan> ofcourse
[19:19:58] <zeeshan> why wouldnt you sell it?
[19:20:14] <andypugh> When I say “no jaws” I mean, only the funny wedgy things
[19:20:33] <andypugh> And it’s an 8”. far too big for my mill
[19:20:42] <zeeshan> damn i could use a twin jaw
[19:20:48] <zeeshan> er twin vise
[19:20:56] <zeeshan> i have a 7" single
[19:21:16] <ffurrywol> an might be a little large for my machine, might not...
[19:21:21] <ffurrywol> an 8"
[19:21:39] <ffurrywol> my table's a bit over 4ft wide I think. heh.
[19:22:04] <andypugh> Like this, but more rusty, and with nothing above the base casting.
[19:22:06] <andypugh> http://www.directindustry.com/prod/kurt-manufacturing-industrial-products-division/product-100411-1168823.html
[19:22:31] <andypugh> I should probably sell the handle.
[19:23:29] <andypugh> Mine is basically the screw, the base and the handle (+ bearings etc)
[19:23:33] <zeeshan> ah darn
[19:23:33] <zeeshan> haha
[19:23:40] <zeeshan> i thought you meant the insertable jaws
[19:24:01] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/tuOqI3U.jpg
[19:24:02] <andypugh> The top jaws do just slot on, but they cost a fortune
[19:24:02] <zeeshan> man
[19:24:04] <zeeshan> this program is sweet
[19:24:09] <zeeshan> took 20 min to get that
[19:24:13] <zeeshan> and once scaled
[19:24:20] <zeeshan> its really +/- 1/8"
[19:24:21] <zeeshan> not bad
[19:24:25] <zeeshan> for just a bloody iphone
[19:24:27] * ffurrywol needs a non-fortune-costing vise
[19:24:49] <fenn> you need to put talc on shiny metal objects to get a good scan
[19:25:02] <zeeshan> fenn: yea i watched the video!
[19:25:07] <zeeshan> it says no shiny things
[19:25:08] <zeeshan> or glass
[19:25:26] <zeeshan> i did this to check how far the scale is off
[19:25:30] <zeeshan> its pretty off
[19:25:35] <zeeshan> but it's consitently off
[19:25:35] <fenn> yep
[19:25:43] <fenn> structured light scanning is way better
[19:25:56] <zeeshan> dude this is free
[19:26:00] <andypugh> I got the 90mm “Type 2” here and so far I like it. http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Workholding/Machine-Vices#Precision-Tool-Vices-Type-1
[19:26:01] <zeeshan> and ituses an iphone or andriod
[19:26:03] <fenn> just sell your soul
[19:26:11] <zeeshan> you literally click a buncha pictures
[19:26:12] <zeeshan> and you get this
[19:26:27] <zeeshan> if my rx7 was running
[19:26:36] <zeeshan> id move it outside, and take a pic
[19:26:42] <zeeshan> its dusty, so not too shiny :)
[19:26:54] <zeeshan> would love to get the engine bay scanned
[19:27:26] <zeeshan> andypugh: those are nice
[19:27:27] <andypugh> zeeshan: If you have Inventor there is no need, just model a chrome part and the reflection is of an Rx7.
[19:27:43] <zeeshan> hahaha
[19:27:55] <zeeshan> is it really a rx7?
[19:27:58] <zeeshan> i remember seeing a car
[19:28:01] <zeeshan> i dont recall it being a rx7
[19:28:06] <zeeshan> fd rx7?
[19:28:09] <andypugh> It might be an MX5. It’s a little hard to tell.
[19:28:25] <zeeshan> is that some troll attempt by autodesk
[19:29:18] <fenn> so the vice/vise thing is a uk/us spelling difference? i thought people just didn't know how to spell
[19:30:19] * zeeshan slaps fenn with a dictionary
[19:31:52] <fenn> i feel like i've built one of those "type 2" precision vises but i don't remember what happened to it
[19:32:53] <andypugh> In the UK we spell both “vice” and “vice” as “vice”. In the US you differentiate between a workholding tool and a character flaw. Which means that you can’t do this cartoon. http://s491.photobucket.com/user/eagmeister/media/cj_009.gif.html
[19:33:46] <ffurrywol> why do slotted screws still exist? argh.
[19:34:43] <andypugh> My Rivett lathe is held together with slotted screws. They actually work perfectly.
[19:35:30] <andypugh> Big slots for big screwdrivers and good material. You can get just as much torque as any other head.
[19:35:39] <ffurrywol> and what happens when you try using a power driver on them? hell, the bits slip out even with a hand screwdriver. and they don't self-center so you have to start them with your fingers. etc, etc.
[19:36:20] <ffurrywol> and I'm willing to wager torx handles a lot more torque.
[19:36:42] <SpeedEvil> With any bit which can cam out, you only start turning it once you have massive axial preload
[19:36:43] <fenn> phillips heads are designed to cam-out, it's crazy that they are still used everywhere
[19:36:55] <andypugh> I think that every head out there can snap the screw.
[19:37:15] <ffurrywol> I like torx.
[19:37:30] <andypugh> fenn: I actually think that is not true
[19:38:05] <fenn> the legend is that in the early 1900s everything was assembled with air tools but nobody had quite figured out torque limiting chucks yet
[19:38:35] <ffurrywol> I've always figured that was urban legend too.
[19:38:37] <fenn> so to prevent screw heads from snapping off someone invented a torque limiting bit
[19:38:40] <andypugh> Though problems do arise with using the wrong cross-head driver in the wrong screw. For example Japanes motorcycles use JIS, not Phillips.
[19:39:40] <andypugh> Phillips was 1930s
[19:40:00] <andypugh> And Wikipedia says “Created by Henry F. Phillips, the Phillips screw drive was not purposely designed to cam out when the screw stalled.[7]”
[19:40:01] <ffurrywol> there's about ten different phillips heads, and often even the one that's supposed to match doesn't.
[19:40:30] <SpeedEvil> At least there is one torx.
[19:40:32] <SpeedEvil> Well - two.
[19:40:38] <SpeedEvil> Any advance on two?
[19:40:52] <SpeedEvil> Robertson is nice and simple
[19:40:52] <XXCoder> weird. I drove my van in rain for first time since it was fixed
[19:40:52] <ffurrywol> ?
[19:40:57] <XXCoder> it had bit rough idle
[19:41:02] <XXCoder> but second time it was smooth
[19:41:14] <ffurrywol> robertson works, not as well as torx.
[19:41:18] <XXCoder> was that case of computer adjusting?
[19:42:12] <ffurrywol> GRRRRRR. just rounded a fucking slotted screw. so far I've lost one and rounded another.
[19:42:32] <ffurrywol> lost it because it went sproing while ANY other head shape wouldn;t.
[19:42:45] <SpeedEvil> ffurrywol: heat the head to white hot and bang a torx into it
[19:44:03] <ffurrywol> slotted round-head screws especially should die. the most useful part of the screw for delivering torque, at the edge, is where the groove is too thin to hold a screwdriver, AND shaped like a ramp.
[19:44:33] <roycroft> slotted round head screws and phillips screws are attractive
[19:44:45] * fenn looks over at bit holder with 14 different torx bits in it
[19:44:55] <roycroft> they are useful in low-stress situations where appearance is important
[19:45:00] <roycroft> such as in fine woodworking
[19:45:11] <andypugh> roycroft: Good point
[19:45:18] <fenn> bah
[19:45:25] <roycroft> i would not build a beautiful cabinet out of exotic hardwood, use poilshed brass hinges, and then stick ugly torx head screws in the hinges
[19:45:30] <ffurrywol> I think socket head cap screws are more attractive. :P
[19:45:37] <fenn> use a pyramid head screw, individually hand-hammered by the village blacksmith
[19:45:42] <ffurrywol> fenn: I have both Torx and Torx Plus. :P
[19:45:57] <roycroft> i use a lot of socket head cap screws and button screws in metalwork
[19:46:04] <roycroft> i never use them with wood
[19:46:14] <ffurrywol> I use torx for wood. :)
[19:46:41] <ffurrywol> PowerPro brand usually
[19:46:41] <roycroft> if i were to nominate a type to retire it would not be slotted or phillips
[19:46:50] <roycroft> i would retire clutch screws first
[19:47:05] <ffurrywol> lol
[19:47:22] <ffurrywol> I have a battery charger that was assembled with clutch screws. I replaced them with phillips.
[19:47:34] <roycroft> they probably are retired by now
[19:47:35] <ffurrywol> I'd take clutch over slotted any day, however.
[19:47:43] <roycroft> gm were using them in transmissions
[19:47:57] <roycroft> i think that's the only widespread use of them in the last 30 years
[19:48:09] <ffurrywol> I have actual clutch bit screwdrivers somewhere. :)
[19:48:15] <roycroft> i do too
[19:48:25] <roycroft> my "set" is two screwdrivers
[19:48:27] <andypugh> roycroft: Pretty: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/sEu4T3QEiL3MK8ORgSNnh9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[19:48:32] <roycroft> i don't know how many sizes were ever made
[19:49:01] <roycroft> yes, i like that, andypugh
[19:49:22] <ffurrywol> I think I have three sizes.
[19:49:37] <roycroft> except whoever assembled that did not align the screw slots
[19:49:39] <XXCoder> ASL for slotted screws translates literally into "Negative screw"
[19:49:41] <roycroft> which is something i always do
[19:49:42] <XXCoder> makes sense? :P
[19:49:43] <andypugh> I maybe should try them in all combinations to see if the slots line up. When my grandad was an apprentice they would spend days lapping the undersides of heads to make all the slotted screw in the steam engine bed plates line up.
[19:49:58] <roycroft> well it's a screw with a minus sign in the head
[19:49:59] <ffurrywol> I saw a hand-made clutch bit at a yard sale a few weeks ago, of a larger size than mine.
[19:50:00] <roycroft> so sure
[19:50:18] <ffurrywol> someone ground it out of a snap-on 1/2" drive extension.
[19:51:01] <roycroft> i've never bothered aligning socket head screws
[19:51:09] <roycroft> but i align slotted and phillips often
[19:52:08] <roycroft> i'm a brains *and* beauty kind of guy
[19:52:21] <ffurrywol> I've never aligned screw heads.
[19:52:47] <ffurrywol> partially because I never use slotted screws voluntarily!
[19:53:17] <roycroft> i guarantee that every switch/receptacle plate in my house has the screwhead slots aligned perfectly horizontally
[19:53:49] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxddi8m_mzk magic. lol
[19:54:47] <andypugh> roycroft: How do you adjust them?
[19:55:06] <roycroft> the plates are either nylon or thin stainless steel
[19:55:27] <andypugh> Ah, OK, so the actual torque is irrelevant?
[19:55:35] <roycroft> since there are no stesses to speak of, i just tighten them down until they are snug and then keep going until the slot is aligned
[19:55:35] <roycroft> yes
[19:55:52] <andypugh> Normally I perefer to have things at the right tension than aligned pretty.
[19:55:53] <roycroft> with most woodworking projects torque is not critical either
[19:55:53] * ffurrywol doesn't. :P
[19:56:13] <XXCoder> google dream crack http://d11cbnttr0b724.cloudfront.net/img_dreamed/835747.jpg
[19:56:18] <roycroft> things that i make/repair that have critical tensions generally get socket head screws that i do not bother aligning
[19:56:25] <andypugh> The big ones on the Rivett, for example, probably need to be tight.
[19:56:28] <XXCoder> thats the house opposite my home. it has been ran in dream 10 times
[19:56:51] <ffurrywol> anyone else unable to get an answer from nickserv?
[19:57:06] <ffurrywol> ah, there we go... just took a good minute.
[19:57:26] <andypugh> furrywolf: I don’t even understand the question.
[19:57:49] <roycroft> now when using bolts it's easy
[19:57:51] <fenn> internet seems generally out of order today
[19:58:06] <roycroft> you just snug up the nut, align the bolt slot the way you want, and then torque the nut down
[19:58:22] <furrywolf> not aligning anything is even easier. :P
[19:58:27] <roycroft> if you want to align both the bolt head and the nut that would get a little tricker
[19:58:31] <roycroft> trickier
[19:58:39] <roycroft> and i don't align everything
[19:58:40] <furrywolf> only time I align bolt heads is where the pointy bits would catch on some close-fitting moving part.
[19:58:47] <andypugh> roycroft: Ever had to split-pin big-end bolts?
[19:59:18] <roycroft> but if it's something that shows, and it's not torque-critical, why not align it so it looks prettier?
[19:59:22] <roycroft> no, i haven't, andypugh
[19:59:34] <andypugh> Passing out a washer and saying “I need one 15 degrees thinner at 12tpi”
[20:00:05] <furrywolf> because no one else thinks it's prettier because they won't even notice? :P
[20:00:13] <andypugh> We need 120lb.ft _and_ the split pin hole to align
[20:00:29] <andypugh> furrywolf: Oh, you will notice.
[20:00:35] <LatheBuilder2> single use crush washer?
[20:00:47] <furrywolf> I've started using torx for all wood applications.
[20:00:57] <roycroft> even if you don't consciously notice you notice
[20:01:19] <roycroft> i should amend my previous statement
[20:01:24] <SpeedEvil> if you care about appearance, you can make aligned grain plugs too
[20:01:27] <andypugh> I ended up tapping the hinge screws on my lathe stand and using machine screws.
[20:01:27] <roycroft> i use torx fasteners in wood often
[20:01:41] <roycroft> when i'm screwing down decking or the like, or making jigs and fixtures
[20:02:03] <roycroft> andypugh: sounds like adjusting valves on an ohc fiat engine
[20:02:17] <roycroft> you get a very expensive set of spacers
[20:02:25] <andypugh> I got heartily sick of little brass scews snapping off in oak. (yes, I drilled a pilot)
[20:02:26] <roycroft> mic the valve gap
[20:02:31] <roycroft> pull the spacer, mic it
[20:02:42] <roycroft> exchange for one that has the correct adjustment
[20:03:06] <andypugh> roycroft: Yes, that’s how my bike works, I have a box of shims.
[20:03:24] <furrywolf> pete: you want to go to china and give them some lessons in anodizing? I bought a replacement lockback utility knife, Ace brand, on monday. today, friday, the black anodizing is already worn off. I've used it once.
[20:03:28] <roycroft> when i insert brass screws in hardwood i pilot drill, then insert an identical zps screw first, extract, then install the brass screw
[20:03:33] <andypugh> It’s a pain, but it’s also mechanically ideal.
[20:04:02] <roycroft> i don't believe in breaking screws in hardwood
[20:04:09] <roycroft> it's against my religion :)
[20:04:13] <furrywolf> all the engines I've adjusted valves on just used adjustment screws. loosen locknut, turn screw, tighten locknut. repeat until you figure out exactly how much it changes when you tighten the locknut. :)
[20:04:29] <furrywolf> I don't tend to use brass screws.
[20:04:39] <furrywolf> I use stainless when I need corrosion resistance.
[20:04:45] <roycroft> we've established that you have no aesthetic sense :)
[20:04:47] <andypugh> I found that a machine thread held really very well, so went that way. They come out again too.
[20:04:55] <furrywolf> stainless is sexy. :P
[20:04:57] <SpeedEvil> I am currently making a shed.
[20:05:07] <SpeedEvil> I'm undecided between 'nail it together'
[20:05:08] <roycroft> stainless is nicer than zps
[20:05:09] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: use torx screws to build it.
[20:05:15] <roycroft> it looks too blue to be "sexy" to me
[20:05:33] <furrywolf> my njoy pure wand is stainless and very sexy. :P
[20:05:34] <SpeedEvil> and 'run everything through the thicknesser, wax-finish
[20:05:35] <roycroft> yes, machine threads can hold well in some hardwoods
[20:06:07] <roycroft> don't forget to hand scrape it after you run it through the thickness planer
[20:06:14] <roycroft> those planer marks are butt-ugly
[20:06:27] <andypugh> My shed kit came with hex-drive screws Huge long ones. Hundreds of them. In fact I still have hundreds left, no idea where they were meant to go.
[20:06:48] <furrywolf> why the heck would you plane boards for a shed?
[20:07:26] <roycroft> when you make fasteners out of pot metal it's cheaper to just ship a bunch of extras than to count/weigh the correct amount
[20:07:34] <SpeedEvil> roycroft: of course
[20:07:38] <roycroft> also, end users tend to lose a lot of fasteners in those kits
[20:07:45] <roycroft> and it's expensive to ship them replacements
[20:07:49] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: shed/temporary living space I don't want to look shit
[20:07:53] <roycroft> even more expensive to argue with them over the phone
[20:07:54] <andypugh> No, these were good quality screws. German, i think.
[20:08:03] <roycroft> that's odd, then
[20:08:11] <roycroft> i should expect them to be carefully weighed out
[20:08:17] <roycroft> if they are quality fasteners
[20:08:24] <furrywolf> the screws that came with some of my shelving break oddly.
[20:08:35] <furrywolf> I'd find the picture but my internet connection is in suck mode.
[20:08:37] <roycroft> that's because you don't align the heads
[20:08:50] <roycroft> if the feng shui is not right the shelves will fail
[20:08:58] <furrywolf> lol
[20:09:17] * XXCoder randomly rotates one of roycroft's screw heads somewhere
[20:09:38] * roycroft will notice it, even in the dark
[20:10:15] * XXCoder paints over all screws, leaving couple out of alignment
[20:10:21] <fenn> what's a zps screw?
[20:10:45] <XXCoder> zero point screw screw ;)
[20:11:58] <fenn> it sounded like a material or surface finish
[20:12:19] <andypugh> This is my shed. It was 4x as expensive as some I found, and I think 4x better. The hinge and bolt hardware, for example, is rather serious. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/opP69aOCBnWCZl_VpnK5vdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[20:12:42] * SpeedEvil ponders going nuclear storage-wise.
[20:12:45] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100-X-Bail-Arm-Bale-Plastic-Crates-Storage-Stacking-Supermarket-Warehouse-Boxes/221839577325?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29974%26meid%3D8345d5f4c2854f5aaf29cc2ebfda143a%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D221816269792
[20:12:54] <furrywolf> argh. Ace seems to stick their name on the worst crap these days. I just broke the blade. twice. STRIPPING WIRE. I managed to take a good chunk out of it... running it around insulation.
[20:13:02] <furrywolf> and broke the tip off attempting to slit the insulation.
[20:13:14] <SpeedEvil> wow
[20:13:18] <XXCoder> dang
[20:13:29] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: Well - at least it diddn't stab you and break off
[20:13:30] * furrywolf replaces it with an irwin blue blade
[20:14:12] <furrywolf> it bends too. like it's made out of unhardened pot metal.
[20:14:17] <andypugh> furrywolf: Take it back. Not fit for purpose. Any purpose
[20:14:43] <XXCoder> andypugh: its good for bait for airplane inspections
[20:14:54] <Tom_itx> andypugh, next time dip your screws in wax or scrape them on bar soap
[20:15:02] <Tom_itx> for 'lubricant'
[20:15:08] <andypugh> True, and possibly as a fishing weight.
[20:15:45] <andypugh> Tom_itx: I tried all that. Just little (nasty, cheap) screws and very good wood.
[20:16:15] <andypugh> But they were also the best little brass screws I could find, too.
[20:16:35] <roycroft> i've made furniture quality stuff for which i'll buff out the slotted head brass screws to a mirror finish before installing them
[20:16:37] <XXCoder> very secure, screws outside. :)
[20:16:57] <andypugh> I am 100% happy with the machine screws, especially as they come out again too, if needed.
[20:16:57] <XXCoder> looks like some are bolts thats bolted inside
[20:16:59] <roycroft> and in that circumstance i would pre-install a cheap screw even if it were in softwood
[20:17:24] <fenn> threadforming tap. and moly. and loctite...
[20:17:36] <roycroft> i've also polished up ss fasteners for metal projects
[20:18:07] <XXCoder> andypugh: nice shed though. you built it?
[20:18:11] <roycroft> nickel plated fasteners would be nice for some projects
[20:18:15] <andypugh> No, I bought it as a kit
[20:18:24] <roycroft> nickel is a much nicer color than stainless steel
[20:18:25] <XXCoder> oh
[20:18:48] <andypugh> (the company were happy to build it for free, but the timing wasn’t right)
[20:18:49] <roycroft> almost as nice as silver
[20:19:38] <furrywolf> I like the color of stainless.
[20:20:06] <roycroft> i like that pitched roof with the slate tiles and brick fa�ade on your shed :P
[20:20:07] <SpeedEvil> Silver colour?
[20:20:11] <SpeedEvil> you mean sort-of-yellow?
[20:20:20] <andypugh> It came from this company, but I guess that isn’t much help if you are not in the UK. They say they have delivered sheds to every UK county but Shetland. http://www.valestables.com
[20:20:59] <fenn> does your horse like its stable?
[20:22:36] <furrywolf> andypugh: apparantly Battlebots is airing on actual TV in the US this year. I had no idea.
[20:23:11] <andypugh> roycroft: The perspective in that photo is rather strange, is it not? The brick wall is actually the block of three garages out the back, and mine is the middle one. I had assumed that mine was the near one, and that I could extend it into my garden, when I looked at buying the place. I realised it wasnt before I committed, but decided to go for it anyway.
[20:24:39] <andypugh> Both my GasGas horse and my Ner-a-Car horse seem happy in their new stable :-)
[20:25:42] <andypugh> It has just occurred to me that it would be a struggle to find two other bikes with such disparate seat heights.
[20:26:10] <furrywolf> ok, in addition to using entirely slotted screws, this Leviton outlet is garbage.
[20:26:45] <furrywolf> it uses set screws to grab the wire. the screws are only about 2/3rd the diameter as the slot they press into is wide. even though I'm using very coarse wire, it just slides up the sides around the screw.
[20:27:36] <fenn> they're all like that
[20:28:45] <furrywolf> no, they're not. lol
[20:28:48] <andypugh> furrywolf: Did you see the horror I found behind my cooker, between the 40A breaker and the 10A cable feed? https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/aVix6Ieq9A6_sN8cUQsO6NMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[20:29:44] <XXCoder> someone ate LSD http://d11cbnttr0b724.cloudfront.net/img_dreamed/839943.jpg
[20:30:29] <andypugh> Two are loosel at the side of the screw. The earth is clamped on to the insulation… I think there were other things wrong on the other side. I felt lucky to have a house rather than cinders when I found it.
[20:30:46] <furrywolf> fun
[20:30:52] <furrywolf> I try to avoid screwing up like that. :P
[20:31:06] <XXCoder> andypugh: ow. remind me of one time I replaced my room lighting
[20:31:15] <XXCoder> wires was taped with brown masking tape
[20:31:29] <XXCoder> and it had feckle from ceiling spray all over it
[20:31:34] <XXCoder> some was smoked.
[20:31:43] <XXCoder> its now very securely and properly protected
[20:31:47] <andypugh> I didn’t do it. I found it after I bought the house, when the oven stopped working. The _first_ thing i did was swap the 40A breaker..
[20:34:17] <furrywolf> andypugh: I sometimes end up fixing houses for people who rented to growers... there's some BAD wiring.
[20:34:35] <furrywolf> the first thing they do is stuff 50A breakers in every slot, so they can plug 40A of lights into each 15A outlet...
[20:34:58] <furrywolf> one had a 50A 240V breaker with a #14 extension cord running out the front of the panel...
[20:35:19] <andypugh> Well, if they check the wire sizing first, that might be OK….
[20:35:53] <andypugh> I don’t understand #14
[20:35:58] <XXCoder> 15A sockets still trouble
[20:36:34] <Tom_itx> 14ga
[20:36:51] <Tom_itx> roughly 15A
[20:37:15] <andypugh> Not on a ring main, I assume?
[20:37:25] <andypugh> (not that I approve of ring mains)
[20:37:36] <Tom_itx> haven't heard of that so.... no
[20:38:38] <furrywolf> there's no ring mains in the US.
[20:39:03] <Tom_itx> generally overhead lights can be wired with 14 ga, usually normal outlets are 12 ga
[20:39:34] <furrywolf> growers generally seem to have no concept of appropriate wire sizes, grounding, circuit protection, or anything else.
[20:39:52] <furrywolf> I suspect it's half ignorance and half not caring if they burn the house down, because they'll just skip town and rent another.
[20:40:48] <andypugh> Extra warmth makes the product grow better
[20:41:08] <andypugh> Anyway, sleep time.
[20:41:31] <furrywolf> actually, air conditioning is more popular. the lights make the rooms very hot very quickly, and too much heat is bad for the plants.
[20:41:50] <XXCoder> ah pot
[20:42:05] <XXCoder> making as much THC as possible
[20:48:05] <CaptHindsight> Torch Height Control?
[20:50:13] <roycroft> ring mains is a scary concept
[20:50:20] <roycroft> i'm very happy we have enough sense not to permit it here
[20:54:12] <fenn> does that magnetize the entire building?
[20:55:54] <SpeedEvil> fenn: no
[21:13:08] <PetefromTn_> well I think I have enough scrap steel tube to piece together a frame for that 2x72 bench grinder. Now just gotta decide if I want skateboard wheels or something more elaborate LOL...
[21:13:40] <XXCoder> gold plated skateboard wheels
[21:13:55] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: got a pic of what youre building?
[21:13:56] <PetefromTn_> meh why?
[21:14:02] <Tom_itx> for a bench grinder?
[21:14:15] <PetefromTn_> no I just happened across a video on youtube of one
[21:14:19] <PetefromTn_> its dead simple
[21:14:20] <Tom_itx> i used a rim with a pipe welded to the center
[21:14:26] <zeeshan> hm
[21:14:57] <zeeshan> youre talking about a flat belt grinder right?
[21:15:00] <zeeshan> like people use for sharpening knives
[21:15:23] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjJW2d-EH6g
[21:15:50] <Tom_itx> fckin youtube ads
[21:16:09] <Tom_itx> oh one of those
[21:16:22] <zeeshan> man i want one of those!
[21:16:31] <zeeshan> its great for pipe polishing
[21:16:45] <Tom_itx> and cleaning the skin off your bones
[21:16:55] <XXCoder> rod polishing lol
[21:17:29] <PetefromTn_> I can't find the one I posted earlier
[21:17:39] <PetefromTn_> that is the one I want to try to build
[21:18:33] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ss_PZDWP0 that's the one. very simple design
[21:18:44] <furrywolf> I don't like sanding. If I had a sander, I might have to use it.
[21:19:01] <Tom_itx> furrywolf did you see my sherline tapping?
[21:19:08] <furrywolf> no
[21:19:27] <PetefromTn_> looks like that thing would make short work of a lot of stuff I do here everyday
[21:22:14] <zeeshan> lol
[21:22:17] <zeeshan> that guys interference fit
[21:22:19] <zeeshan> is a bit scaryt
[21:22:30] <zeeshan> the die grinder press fit
[21:22:30] <zeeshan> :D
[21:22:43] <PetefromTn_> I have seen a lot of these made with skateboard wheels instead
[21:23:50] <fenn> what's the 10" wheel used for? is that like "hollow ground" knife blades?
[21:24:15] <PetefromTn_> yup exactly
[21:24:24] <PetefromTn_> they made different sizes for different things
[21:25:13] <PetefromTn_> the only thing I think I would change would be to make the vertical table adjustable for angles to allow more comfortable access for larger parts
[21:39:47] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: You got a video of the sherline tapping?
[21:52:20] <fenn> os1r1s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsjde_pKUkk
[21:53:08] <os1r1s> fenn: Thx. Tom_itx That is awesome!
[21:58:28] <Tom_itx> i updated the title.. maybe it's easier to find
[22:02:11] <fenn> cute laser pointer trick for centering a mill: http://youtu.be/otSjut1iGGk?t=2m11s
[22:06:09] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: You going to do a writeup and post it somewhere?
[22:09:28] <Tom_itx> wasn't planning to
[22:27:05] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: It would be great if you did. I'd like to follow your path.
[22:48:20] <Tom_itx> what would you like to know?
[23:02:51] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Well, your linuxcnc settings are up on your site so I shouldn't need those as I can dig through. But a circuit diagram would be great.