#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-08-12

[00:00:30] <zeeshan|2> that is cool PetefromTn_
[00:00:32] <zeeshan|2> the first one
[00:01:46] <PetefromTn_> my friend DaveG made that one
[00:02:12] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately he does not make them anymore so I will have to make my own :(
[00:02:58] <zeeshan|2> im kinda excited to work with this stuff
[00:03:07] <zeeshan|2> but i feel like ill need sharp hss tooling
[00:03:13] <zeeshan|2> or finishing type carbide end mills
[00:03:21] <zeeshan|2> otherwise regular dull carbide will look crappy
[00:03:27] <PetefromTn_> http://s150.photobucket.com/user/matospeter/media/100_03821.jpg.html this is the last chunky FT stock I built. I tied for second place in the nationals with that rig
[00:03:42] <zeeshan|2> thats nice
[00:03:46] <zeeshan|2> i like the detail at the handle
[00:03:58] <PetefromTn_> http://s150.photobucket.com/user/matospeter/media/0916111745.jpg.html
[00:04:02] <zeeshan|2> do you shoot yourself?
[00:04:05] <zeeshan|2> (i know dumb q)
[00:04:15] <zeeshan|2> competition shoot
[00:04:27] <zeeshan|2> (nm)
[00:04:46] <zeeshan|2> howd you engrave that
[00:05:08] <PetefromTn_> by hand with some carving tools I have here
[00:05:13] <zeeshan|2> wow!
[00:05:14] <zeeshan|2> impressive
[00:06:00] <PetefromTn_> it's okay... the other side has acorns and oak leaves and my kids initials in scroll lettering
[00:06:44] <PetefromTn_> that gun was a tack driver I wish I never had to sell it but I got sick and had to have surgery so the toys had to go
[00:09:13] <PetefromTn_> this new rifle so far seems to be about as good I guess I got lucky...
[02:21:05] <Deejay> moin
[05:54:01] <jthornton> morning
[05:54:07] <XXCoder> hey
[05:54:22] <Deejay> good day :)
[06:04:19] <SEL> hello
[07:34:10] <fenn> i am watching dan gelbart's "making prototypes" series and now i want a spot welder http://youtu.be/82Iil0fFN9Y
[07:34:58] <fenn> his machine seems very different from the ones on the market, much higher current and shorter electrode holders
[07:46:29] <fenn> it's 15kVA but it looks pretty small and compact, unless part of it is built into the bench
[07:50:22] <skunkworks> I don't remember how many amps our portable one is.. It is 110v and pretty light
[08:00:58] <fenn> some combination of cnc wire bender and spot welder would make an excellent 3d metal printer
[08:01:49] <fenn> a thing that spews out large quantities of triangulated surfaces and trusses
[08:03:31] <fenn> then you mount interlocking panels with details carved into them to the triangulated surface
[08:09:28] <skunkworks> cool
[08:09:53] <skunkworks> we found a park last night that still had a merry-go-round..
[08:10:21] <skunkworks> Stella loved it
[08:11:39] <skunkworks> she spotted it right away - what is that!?
[08:12:12] <fenn> synthetic animal magnetism
[08:12:28] <fenn> it's a property of the horses moving in a loop
[08:17:56] <fenn> i built something like this once before i knew much about building things http://har.ms/blog/scrap-microwave-spot-welder#more-2913
[08:18:24] <fenn> it was supposed to be an arc welder but didn't have enough inductance so the electrode would just stick to the workpiece and heat up
[08:20:10] <fenn> i'd use fat aluminum arms instead of plastic with copper wires stuck to it
[08:20:22] <fenn> copper is getting expensive these days
[08:27:24] <SpeedEvil> tiwake: skin depth matters
[08:27:27] <SpeedEvil> fenn:
[08:27:41] <SpeedEvil> At 50hz, in copper, you only have skin depth of ~6mm from memory
[08:28:20] <fenn> so thick copper tubing is better?
[08:28:51] <SpeedEvil> yes
[08:28:58] <SpeedEvil> Or properly stranded insulated wire
[08:29:23] <fenn> i never really understood skin depth
[08:30:38] <fenn> if you have a 200mm * 6mm thick plate it's better than a 100mm * 12mm plate?
[08:30:49] <SpeedEvil> yes
[08:31:29] <fenn> so if you have 2 100mm * 6mm plates side by side, how far apart do they have to be before it's equivalent to the 200mm * 6mm plate?
[08:31:55] <fenn> is it about distance or just conductivity?
[08:32:16] <fenn> like if i sandwiched 2 plates with insulating film between them
[08:32:41] <SpeedEvil> In some circumstances, you can bypass the skin depth with proper insulated conductor arrangement
[08:33:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.litzwire.com/
[08:37:06] <fenn> looking at http://nessengr.com/techdata/skin/skindepth.html calculator says skin depth of 6061 aluminum is 12.5mm
[08:37:27] <fenn> pretty beefy tube
[09:18:18] <CaptHindsight> price is dropping http://www.ebay.com/itm/271659536669 $699
[09:18:28] <CaptHindsight> Kuka Roboter KR150L 150SP/2 Robot Arm No Controller
[09:18:46] <fenn> isnt that the same price
[09:19:44] <CaptHindsight> was $999
[09:19:53] <CaptHindsight> ssi: ^^^
[09:21:44] <FinboySlick> That'd be a heck of a project.
[09:21:55] <FinboySlick> Maybe a tad dangerous too.
[09:22:19] <archivist> you can be the test rider :)
[09:22:47] <FinboySlick> Can it handle 140 pounds of bones and flab? ;)
[09:30:23] <CaptHindsight> picturing a reprap with a scalpel http://opensurgery.net/
[09:33:11] <tiwake> SpeedEvil: what about skin depth?
[09:33:22] <tiwake> oh, tabfail?
[09:36:12] <SpeedEvil> tiwake: yes - sorry
[09:46:47] <t12> lol
[09:46:48] <t12> *Please be aware that performing surgery on yourself or others is not encouraged. Performing surgery is dangerous and can lead to serious injuries, up to and including death. Moreover, performing surgery without the necessary training and qualifications is likely to be illegal, depending on local laws.
[09:47:46] <CaptHindsight> t12: whodah thunkit?
[09:49:39] <pcw_home> Our experience withe medical electronics companies is not good
[09:49:40] <pcw_home> by far the worst ethically of any broad group category
[09:49:59] <t12> in what sense
[09:51:04] <pcw_home> dishonest, dont pay their bills, try top push you around, generally creeps
[09:51:39] <t12> the more i've been dealing with business in general
[09:51:42] <t12> the more i see these things
[09:51:46] <t12> its pretty unpleasnt
[09:52:41] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: I've seen the same
[09:52:42] <pcw_home> They just stand out as consistently bad
[09:53:47] <CaptHindsight> you'd think that they would be more ethical since it's about helping people, but it seems to be just the opposite, it's mostly about money
[09:54:25] <ssi> CaptHindsight: yea I know
[09:54:31] <ssi> I'm still trying to figure out how to get up tehre and move them
[09:58:08] <PetefromTn_> bastards ;)
[09:58:28] <ssi> wat
[09:59:04] <PetefromTn_> today is a SAD SAD SAD SAD SAD SAD DAMN day....
[09:59:13] <ssi> why
[09:59:43] <PetefromTn_> today is the first day in my life that I had to get a pair of reading glasses!!!!
[09:59:55] <ssi> haaa
[10:00:01] <CaptHindsight> welcome to the club
[10:00:09] <archivist> 40+ rofl
[10:00:12] <PetefromTn_> didn't want to be in the club
[10:00:18] <cradek> heh, first day you got them. you needed them a while back.
[10:00:20] <CaptHindsight> nobody does
[10:00:33] <PetefromTn_> cradek whats that supposed to mean LOL
[10:00:51] <archivist> people resist far too long
[10:00:53] <cradek> personally, I very much enjoy getting older
[10:01:05] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Good news! Now you can build your own eye-surgery robot that will correct your fading eyesight every week.
[10:01:16] <ssi> holy shit that's a great idea
[10:01:21] <ssi> diy robot arm laser surgery
[10:01:27] <CaptHindsight> what could go wrong?
[10:01:28] <ssi> so far up my alley it's getting mugged
[10:01:29] <archivist> stereo zoom microscope next
[10:01:32] <PetefromTn_> I swear the other day my wife popped something in front of my face and I had to move my head back to focus on it...she said YOU need some reading glasses LOL
[10:02:08] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah I don't see no roboy arms working on my eyes no matter who built it hehehe
[10:02:21] <CaptHindsight> if I forget them when I'm out I sometimes use my phone to take a pic and then zoom in
[10:02:44] <CaptHindsight> usually it's restaurant checks
[10:02:51] <FinboySlick> I wanted to get eye surgery up until the point where I watched it being performed and saw the blade slicing a flap of cornea and lifting it up.
[10:02:56] <FinboySlick> Then it was: Nope.
[10:03:02] <cradek> I have the "advantage" of never ever forgetting my glasses
[10:03:03] <PetefromTn_> when I am out in the shop and I need to read some REALLY small stuff I have a set of those mad scientist magnified goggles/hood things LOL
[10:03:21] <archivist> I made my old man his first reading glasses, then he went and got some at an antique fair before he ever went to the opticians
[10:04:15] <PetefromTn_> my wife let me try a pair or two of hers she has two different mag levels on them and I used them yesterday doing some tig welding...it helped quite a bit I think
[10:04:39] <PetefromTn_> so after realizing that I decided I had to get a MAN pair.....the pink and roses was not gonna cut it hehehe
[10:04:46] <CaptHindsight> night vision contacts could be handy
[10:05:05] <PetefromTn_> cradek what do you mean never forgetting your glasses?
[10:05:30] <cradek> I can't really see anything useful at all without them. it would be impossible for me to forget and leave them at home.
[10:05:46] <PetefromTn_> glasses or contacts?
[10:06:10] <cradek> glasses now (I have RGP contacts, but don't wear them anymore)
[10:06:51] <ssi> are you miserably blind nearsighted AND old-age farsighted at the same time?
[10:07:18] <PetefromTn_> these I just bought are just off the shelf ones and I am wearing them now...but I notice they are not much good beyond about two feet or so... then it gets a touch fuzzy
[10:07:25] <PetefromTn_> ssi me?
[10:07:29] <ssi> no, cradek
[10:07:40] <cradek> yeah very near - I'm 41 and only wear bifocals for some things
[10:07:44] <cradek> so far
[10:08:02] <ssi> I'm miserably nearsighted myself
[10:08:02] <PetefromTn_> I just turned 45 last month
[10:08:15] <PetefromTn_> do you wear reading glasses?
[10:08:15] <ssi> wearing -9.75 sphere contacts right now
[10:08:18] <cradek> PetefromTn_: the diopter is 1/meters so you can pick the outermost focal distance
[10:08:47] <PetefromTn_> how bad do contacts suck?
[10:08:58] <ssi> they're fine, you get used to them
[10:08:59] <cradek> PetefromTn_: if it's 2 feet you probably bought +1.5 or +1.75
[10:09:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think they are 1.5 or something like that is that bad?
[10:10:08] <cradek> +1.5 is probably pretty normal for 45
[10:10:12] <PetefromTn_> I see fine at distance but just recently noticed having trouble up close
[10:10:35] <fenn> some aspiring medical electronics professional should make glasses that detect when your eyes are trying to focus and adjust the glasses to match
[10:10:38] <PetefromTn_> feeling like an old man today hehe
[10:11:47] <cradek> fenn: or glasses that have more than one focal distance in them that you can choose from .... oh wait!
[10:12:19] <fenn> how could that possibly work :P
[10:12:24] <cradek> heh
[10:12:31] <archivist> there are some glasses that are two layer with a pump to vary the focal distance
[10:13:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah......this sucks.......SIGH
[10:13:55] <cradek> you big whiner
[10:14:06] <archivist> get used to it :)
[10:14:07] <PetefromTn_> LOL I know right
[10:14:08] <cradek> you've gone 45 years without needing glasses
[10:14:19] <ssi> yeah seriously
[10:14:20] <cradek> you can see the clock when you wake up
[10:14:22] <ssi> I didn't make it seven years
[10:14:47] <skunkworks> I made it to collage..
[10:15:15] <PetefromTn_> I used to have PERFECT vision and perfect color correction when I was a bit younger....20/15 in both eyes I think it was now I am an old bastard and can't see my mics that good anymore WAAAAHHH
[10:15:59] <PetefromTn_> I might need to get some glasses like the Wild Thing with skulls and stuff on em ;)
[10:16:05] <skunkworks> I have notice that I now have to take my glasses off to see things close... SO it has started for me.
[10:16:05] <CaptHindsight> DIY eyeball robot for corrective vision, fun and profit
[10:16:32] <PetefromTn_> heh for fun AND profit.... priceless
[10:18:09] <cradek> ssi: I don't remember when I first got mine, but I remember how amazing it was to be able to see individual blades of grass.
[10:18:24] <ssi> yeah I remember finding the fact that trees had leaves noteworthy
[10:18:30] <fenn> and all the dirt on the floor you never noticed before
[10:18:58] <cradek> on the plus side, I never notice when the shower is dirty, haha
[10:20:25] <renesis> 14:52 < PetefromTn_> I might need to get some glasses like the Wild Thing with skulls and stuff on em ;)
[10:20:29] <renesis> haha
[10:20:59] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[10:21:03] <renesis> guys i feel like this 80s has lasted longer than the real 80s
[10:21:04] <PetefromTn_> Love that movie
[10:21:04] <CaptHindsight> I'm still getting used to having to look down my nose to see details up close
[10:21:10] <renesis> is this 80s forever?!
[10:21:23] <PetefromTn_> damn I hope so....
[10:21:55] <PetefromTn_> I would get a license plate that says 80's man if it were not such a cheese factor hehe
[10:22:14] <ssi> you could put it on your IROC
[10:22:22] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[10:22:49] <cradek> nah, one of those vans with the space scene airbrushed on the side
[10:22:53] <PetefromTn_> my best friend in High School had one with Tee tops... he always wanted to race my Father's Vette LOL
[10:22:54] <ssi> https://speedhero.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/carl.jpg
[10:23:05] <PetefromTn_> I LOVE THOSE VANS!!
[10:23:25] <PetefromTn_> RESPECT THE VAN!!
[10:23:56] <PetefromTn_> I remember my father was good friends with a guy who had a shop that built really cool custom vans..
[10:24:25] <PetefromTn_> he had one of those Ford early mini vans IE the short fullsize van
[10:24:45] <PetefromTn_> it had like twelve of those tall narrow slit windows in back
[10:25:02] <PetefromTn_> and he had airbrushed a HUGE beige and blue octopus all over it
[10:25:21] <PetefromTn_> in its tentacles it had mermaids, pirate ships, cannons, treasure chests LOL
[10:25:34] <PetefromTn_> it was actually pretty awesome airbrush job
[10:25:56] <PetefromTn_> inside it had four captains chairs made from whiskey barrels ;)
[10:26:09] <PetefromTn_> and a pretty unbelievable stereo for the time...
[10:26:16] <PetefromTn_> GOD I am old
[10:27:11] <ssi> yes. yes you are.
[10:27:49] <PetefromTn_> yup it's all downhill from here
[10:28:24] <PetefromTn_> maybe we really NEED to build one of those jet powered wings and take it for a ride...could put me out of my misery pretty quickly right.
[10:28:37] <ssi> I've heard it said that peoples clothes style, hairstyle, and taste in culture become frozen at the best year of their life
[10:28:47] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: did it have a 23 channel CB or the "new" 40 channel version? :)
[10:29:07] <PetefromTn_> I don't remember but it MUST have had a CB
[10:29:16] <PetefromTn_> you were not COOL unless you had one....
[10:29:26] <PetefromTn_> even if you never ever used it
[10:29:54] <PetefromTn_> I remember when I bought my first PULLOUT CD kenwood stereo....THAT was ground breaking LOL
[10:29:54] <archivist> some of us had a proper license no CB ever
[10:29:57] <ssi> dude you were under 10 when CBs were cool :P
[10:30:09] <PetefromTn_> that is probably true...
[10:30:26] <PetefromTn_> maybe I am not as old as I thought :D
[10:30:29] <ssi> archivist: ha I have a story you might like
[10:30:40] <ssi> friend of mine was flying cargo internationally
[10:30:46] <ssi> international planes have HF radios
[10:30:47] <CaptHindsight> CQ CQ CQ DX
[10:31:08] <ssi> he looked up the freqs for the CB channels, got on CB and started acting like he was a trucker
[10:31:09] <PetefromTn_> we had HF on the C-130 Coast Guard aircraft
[10:31:28] <ssi> and saying shit like "any yall wanna get your ass kicked? I got two pair of boxing gloves and I love to fight"
[10:31:38] <ssi> and he had responses from HUNDREDS of miles around
[10:32:07] <PetefromTn_> everyone likes a good ass kickin'
[10:32:17] <ssi> had one guy that came on and said "you're in that swift truck up there aint you... I've been hearing you run your mouth for a hundred miles now, that must be you"
[10:32:33] <ssi> he responeded "yeah well why don't you come up here and find out"
[10:32:41] <PetefromTn_> ROFL...poor guy probably got his ass kicked at the next truck stop
[10:32:56] <ssi> eventually he told them he was at 42,000'
[10:33:04] <ssi> and one guy goes "wtf... are you some kind of fuckin astronaut?"
[10:33:16] <ssi> hahahah
[10:33:51] <PetefromTn_> I remember flying a search pattern up near kodiak alaska and talking to Comsta Guam like they were next door...
[10:34:07] <PetefromTn_> amazing really
[10:34:26] <CaptHindsight> good times with beam antennas and linear amplifiers
[10:34:48] <archivist> I was messing about vhf and above
[10:35:29] <PetefromTn_> wow just got an email from the seller I bought two items from on ebay yesterday. two solid carbide drills and a carbide tipped reamer....he combined shipping and refunded me the money!! COOL.
[10:35:52] <ssi> I hold an extra class license but I haven't used it in ages
[10:36:24] <ssi> http://www.radioreference.com/apps/ham/callsign/N4ML
[10:36:28] <CaptHindsight> I never studied for the morse code test
[10:36:34] <archivist> nor me
[10:36:40] <ssi> I only sorta did
[10:36:42] <PetefromTn_> we had to have a license when I worked in the Coast guard but I never bothered to renew it since I don't have any HAM or HF stuff
[10:36:58] <ssi> I had my tech for 3 weeks, and I went to the shelby hamfest and just happened to take the tests there
[10:37:04] <ssi> had been reading the books and practicing morse the day before
[10:37:10] <ssi> and I passed the general written and code
[10:37:13] <CaptHindsight> I heard that they dropped the morse code test years ago except for the highest class
[10:37:17] <ssi> and then I took the extra for funsies, and passed it somehow
[10:37:39] <ssi> there was still a 5wpm code test for general in 2001 when I took it
[10:37:44] <PetefromTn_> that's why you should be president ;)
[10:37:49] <ssi> exactly
[10:38:31] <PetefromTn_> AND he just posted shipping information I just bought this last night!!
[10:38:33] <skunkworks> my uncle keeps wanting me to get my license
[10:38:40] <PetefromTn_> SUPERSTAR
[10:39:07] <archivist> mine was G8NND lapsed many years ago
[10:41:07] <Chopper79> Hello, is there anyone on right now that is familiar with the thc.comp file and the signals in the 5i20 plasma config? I am trying to finish up the last few things on my plasma table but have run into some isues tha I can not find a resolution for myself
[10:41:32] <PetefromTn_> Drool I want a plasma table.....
[10:41:39] <archivist> just ask the real question
[10:41:48] <ssi> PetefromTn_: buy mine
[10:42:07] <CaptHindsight> Chopper79: just ask
[10:42:14] <Chopper79> ok
[10:42:22] <PetefromTn_> can't afford to buy what I need for the CNC lathe yet but how much you want for it?
[10:42:52] <ssi> I dunno, prolly more than you want to spend :P
[10:42:59] <PetefromTn_> but of course
[10:43:36] <Simonious> What is the pricetag on mastercam? (I suppose it has a variety depending on what you need)..?
[10:43:45] <CaptHindsight> Chopper79: and post the thc.comp file and configs on pastebin for everyone to see, then anyone can review it
[10:44:17] <CaptHindsight> Simonious: $10-15K last i checked
[10:44:32] <Simonious> CaptHindsight: thanks
[10:44:35] <CaptHindsight> ~$25K with the robotics
[10:45:10] <CaptHindsight> Simonious: it's sold through reps and dealers
[10:45:11] <Simonious> I'm still thinking about building a 4th axis machine, but not sure how I'd generate the gcode.. those price tags aren't an option this week ;)
[10:46:05] <Chopper79> There seems to be some signals that are not functioning in the 5i20 plasma config. The vel tolerance, volts tolerance, under, ok, over are these not connected on purpose and are experimental?
[10:46:20] <archivist> Simonious, hand coding is not too hard for 4 axis work
[10:46:25] <CaptHindsight> is there any 4+ axis CAM out there yet for under $5K?
[10:46:30] <Chopper79> Here is the comp file which is in lcnc https://github.com/jepler/linuxcnc-mirror/blob/master/src/hal/components/thc.comp
[10:46:43] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I dunno but I'm gonna need it if I get those arms :/
[10:46:48] <ssi> might need to write something somehow
[10:46:56] <ssi> I dunno if I'm actually smart enough :'(
[10:47:14] <Simonious> archivist: explain.. when I think about it if I were hand coding it I'd do four faces and then paste them together with a hand coded 90deg rotate in between.
[10:47:19] <Simonious> not quite what I had in mind.
[10:47:20] <CaptHindsight> ssi: there a nice paper with all the maths
[10:47:27] <CaptHindsight> let me find it
[10:47:40] <ssi> the kinematics math is only part of the battle
[10:47:54] <ssi> figuring out how to represent it in a UI is gonna be the real challenge
[10:47:56] <Chopper79> also offset is not reading on the gui
[10:48:19] <archivist> Simonious, I make gears etc so I use a loop in gcode, only have to do one cut the rest are looped
[10:48:28] <Simonious> ahh
[10:48:59] <archivist> cam costs way more that I could ever afford
[10:49:02] <Simonious> archivist: right, that makes sense, but I'm interested in a continuous rotation on a part with little radial symmetry
[10:49:09] <CaptHindsight> ssi: http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/29225
[10:49:12] <Simonious> my current plan is as I said - four faces with a rotation
[10:49:25] <ssi> CaptHindsight: nice, thanks
[10:49:28] <CaptHindsight> Automatic 5-axis NC toolpath generation
[10:49:44] <archivist> Simonious, if you can write the maths for it, then it becomes easy
[10:50:11] <PetefromTn_> for simple 4th axis work there is that wrapper program
[10:50:12] <Simonious> archivist: care to elaborate? I've got some ideas, but I'm curious what you are thinking.
[10:50:21] <CaptHindsight> ssi: would you build on Heeks or Pycam or just start fresh?
[10:50:29] <ssi> I don't know honestly
[10:50:41] <ssi> getting into other peoples' codebases is always challenging
[10:51:02] <skunkworks> autodesk fusion looks interesting - I have not played with it.. It suposidly does 4 axis..
[10:51:19] <CaptHindsight> well a fork until they decide you're safe
[10:51:42] <CaptHindsight> then it's "why didn't you do it this way?"
[10:51:43] <archivist> Simonious, this ended up as a special set up and a couple of hundred gcode lines (if that) http://www.archivist.info/gear/designbevel.php
[10:51:44] <ssi> no I mean gaining enough understanding of it to make meaningful changes
[10:51:51] <ssi> I don't care if they fold in my fork or not :)
[10:51:58] <CaptHindsight> heh
[10:52:16] <archivist> Simonious, http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bevel
[10:52:54] <archivist> the actual gcode is not on this box at the moment
[10:53:19] * Simonious nods
[10:53:22] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrzU-MMBGIM LOL
[10:53:23] <archivist> the code generates an involute
[10:53:25] <Simonious> sure, but that is rotationally symmetrical
[10:54:17] <archivist> it couls have been dissimilar if the maths was there for some other shape
[10:54:38] <CaptHindsight> ssi: get a project building a machine for a company that runs NX, ask them for a seat
[10:54:55] <ssi> I always wanted to try NX
[10:55:09] <ssi> mostly because it's the only major cad suite that natively supports osx
[10:55:12] <ssi> well was, before fusion
[10:55:17] <ssi> but fusion sucks as far as I can tell :/
[10:55:54] <zeeshan> ssi lol
[10:55:56] <archivist> I asked a few questions about cam prices at a show, one came out with £60k for 5 axis
[10:55:59] <Simonious> archivist: so you are effectively generating the gcode by hand. I haven't seriously considered going that route thus far.
[10:55:59] <zeeshan> they purpsoely made it to piss off people
[10:56:18] <archivist> Simonious, I am hand coding yes
[10:56:24] <Simonious> if CAMBAM was open source it might be reasonable to define an axis of rotation and then calculate Z's that way from an actual model.
[10:56:40] <Simonious> I'd still have relative tool size to contend with, but I'd be on the right path.
[10:56:53] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/2H7wpBv.jpg
[10:57:01] <archivist> once you get your teeth into hand coding it is not too bad
[10:57:29] <Simonious> hand coding is fine for production runs, but not awesome for development.. then again I suspect I could make a one off tool that would do a lot of the heavy lifting for me.
[10:57:40] <zeeshan> hand coding also leads to tool crashes
[10:57:43] <zeeshan> that my prob w/ it!
[10:57:50] * Simonious points at zeeshan
[10:57:57] <ssi> zeeshan: suck less!
[10:58:02] <zeeshan> ssi its only human
[10:58:07] <Simonious> I'd expect to do aircuts or virtual cuts first..
[10:58:10] <zeeshan> thats the purpose of simulation
[10:58:14] <zeeshan> Simonious: waste of time to do that
[10:58:22] <zeeshan> you check critical things
[10:58:24] <zeeshan> and just press go :P
[10:58:25] <Simonious> simulation = virtual cuts
[10:58:43] <archivist> I always do air cuts, it is how I develop the code
[10:58:57] <PetefromTn_> these glasses make me look like a NEo Maxi Zoom Dweebie ROFL
[10:59:03] <Simonious> I do a lot of that too, but I'm pretty novice at subtractive work.
[10:59:27] <Simonious> thanks for the thoughts guys, I'm gonna go hit the gym and think about this some more.
[10:59:43] <archivist> and make one, measure adjust code make another
[11:00:33] <archivist> measure after a pass, adjust, never need a second blank
[11:00:36] * PetefromTn_ did not ever think there was anything beyond subtractive work...
[11:02:40] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9IdZ2pI5dA
[11:02:40] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: is stablized wood carcogenic
[11:02:42] <zeeshan> like mdf?
[11:03:14] <PetefromTn_> heh probably...isn't everything?
[11:03:18] <zeeshan> damn
[11:03:20] <ssi> urea formaldehyde is carcinogenic, not the wood dust that is bound in it
[11:03:27] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: only if not properly cooked
[11:03:57] <PetefromTn_> OK great I will stick this laminated stock blank in the oven for awhile then ;)
[11:04:04] <zeeshan> lol
[11:04:41] <PetefromTn_> I know mahogany sneezes the crap out of me as does sasafrass.... and a few others.
[11:04:54] <CaptHindsight> look how stable that machine is in the Mori video
[11:04:56] <ssi> lots of exotics are somewhat toxic or irritants
[11:05:09] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: They released a new video of this tech, btw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax8r7sUV8FU
[11:05:43] <PetefromTn_> why does it always seem to me that the sintered metal looks horribly porous and shitty
[11:06:33] <Rab> Surface texture? In one of those videos they show the material added, then turned...seemed to have a nice surface finish.
[11:07:04] <CaptHindsight> yeah, look at it after cutting
[11:07:04] <ssi> good thing it has Schutzgas
[11:07:20] <CaptHindsight> gesundheit
[11:07:22] <zeeshan> im about to go check out this machine during lunch
[11:07:31] <zeeshan> please get me in inspection mode
[11:07:37] <zeeshan> 1. missing parts
[11:07:40] <zeeshan> 2. note model
[11:07:44] <zeeshan> 3. look at control cabinet
[11:07:46] <ssi> holy shit the whole thing is a big trunion
[11:07:46] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: wire sizes
[11:07:55] <zeeshan> 4. measure machine size
[11:08:23] <PetefromTn_> bet you could make a killer stainless bong with that machine ;)
[11:08:24] <zeeshan> 5. note accessories and tool holder specs
[11:08:28] <zeeshan> anything else?
[11:08:33] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: how to get it into your shop
[11:08:37] <zeeshan> thats easy
[11:08:42] <zeeshan> #4 will do that
[11:08:44] <zeeshan> ohhhhhhh
[11:08:45] <zeeshan> shit
[11:08:49] <zeeshan> 6. see if there are manuals
[11:08:58] <zeeshan> i really got myself owned on that one for the mikron
[11:09:12] <CaptHindsight> yeah, but you did fine
[11:09:21] <zeeshan> this one looks more complicated though
[11:09:27] <zeeshan> its got a ton more stuff
[11:10:01] <zeeshan> also how much do you guys think is a fair price for a stepper converted 12x36 lathe?
[11:10:03] <zeeshan> 2000?
[11:10:16] <zeeshan> its really catered for a hobbiest
[11:10:45] <PetefromTn_> the lathe itself is probably worth more than that
[11:10:57] <zeeshan> yolu thinkso?
[11:11:02] <zeeshan> brand new they go for 3600 locally
[11:11:10] <PetefromTn_> I sold mine manual for more than that
[11:11:17] <zeeshan> i figure machines likje thatr generally lose 1/2 their value
[11:11:19] <zeeshan> right out the door
[11:11:27] <zeeshan> 1800
[11:11:39] <zeeshan> and then adding a cnc really doesnt add much value
[11:11:50] <zeeshan> but maybe its cause im around you guys all the time
[11:11:55] <PetefromTn_> if it is working correctly I would probably price it at about $3500. here
[11:11:56] <zeeshan> that have converted me to "retrofit an old cnc"
[11:11:56] <zeeshan> haha
[11:12:11] <zeeshan> it works fine for my application
[11:12:16] <zeeshan> i think on the X it holds 1 thou
[11:12:20] <zeeshan> and in the Z 2-3 thou
[11:12:42] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: new lathe time? What happened to the one you converted?
[11:12:42] <zeeshan> i notice most of the error i get in parts comes if i do tool changes
[11:12:54] <zeeshan> because the tool post is a piston style not wedge
[11:13:04] <Rab> zeeshan, I think you're underestimating the time, trouble and cost of conversion. Plenty of people are ready to pay a premium to flip the switch and go.
[11:13:40] <PetefromTn_> ^^
[11:13:43] <zeeshan> Rab: but realistically my market would be a hobbiest no?
[11:13:49] <zeeshan> and hobbiest dont really have a lot of money
[11:13:57] <PetefromTn_> you would be surprised
[11:14:08] <zeeshan> okay ill price it high
[11:14:15] <zeeshan> 3000
[11:14:28] <PetefromTn_> I sold my converted RF45 for like $5k+ and the basic machine is only $1500.00
[11:14:32] <zeeshan> really??
[11:14:33] <zeeshan> wow
[11:14:47] <Rab> zeeshan, there are different types of hobbyists. Some people want to use the lathe as a tool for their actual hobby, which isn't machining per se.
[11:14:51] <PetefromTn_> whats a tormach cost?
[11:14:58] <zeeshan> like 10k
[11:15:02] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: I'll give you $1600 delivered :)
[11:15:19] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i outgrew the one i converted
[11:15:25] <ssi> I'll give you 1800 delivered
[11:15:27] <Rab> zeeshan, add up the hours you put into conversion and pay yourself $20/hr. Probably not a negligible sum.
[11:15:31] <PetefromTn_> so a well converted working retrofit hobby machine is worth AT least half that much i think
[11:15:33] <zeeshan> the one im looking at today has sub spindle not a tail stock
[11:15:35] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: they are never big enough
[11:15:37] <zeeshan> C axis milling
[11:15:40] <zeeshan> and Y axis also
[11:15:45] <zeeshan> and bar loader
[11:16:30] <zeeshan> i have this one client who needs 600 of this small dinky studs
[11:16:34] <zeeshan> *these
[11:16:43] <fenn> zeeshan you can always come down on price
[11:16:45] <zeeshan> i can't be competitive with the current lathe
[11:16:54] <zeeshan> because setup is wayyy too much
[11:17:05] <Chopper79> I am able to setp the thc.voltage-tol in hal. I figured that since there was a spinbox for doing this in the gui that it was pplaced there for a reason. It appears to me only XML an the postgui but appears to be non functioning.
[11:17:13] <zeeshan> but with the machine i describedf, i can make the parts for half the amount i currently want
[11:17:17] <zeeshan> and i can be comeptitive
[11:17:21] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/tld/5166291855.html also doubles a set prop for submarine movies
[11:17:42] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: rem,ember i came across that same style lathe
[11:17:45] <PetefromTn_> Woah what a beast
[11:17:49] <zeeshan> for $800?
[11:17:59] <zeeshan> where i picked up the mill drill
[11:18:04] <zeeshan> maybe value changes by area
[11:18:27] <PetefromTn_> think I can get it downstairs into the basement? ;)
[11:18:34] <zeeshan> hahah PetefromTn_
[11:19:00] <PetefromTn_> that always seems to be the questions from hobbiests on forums about machine tools hah
[11:19:17] <zeeshan> i dunno how people machine in their basement
[11:19:23] <zeeshan> i absolutely hate the smell of my garage
[11:19:29] <zeeshan> from all the sulfur cutting oil
[11:19:41] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/tld/5154058389.html this looks like Enco/Grissly
[11:19:41] <zeeshan> if that got into my room, id die
[11:19:47] <fenn> they probably aren't using sulfur cutting oil
[11:19:54] <Chopper79> Does anyone know if the spinbox functioned at one point?
[11:19:55] <zeeshan> fenn: mrpete does!!
[11:19:55] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: Use lard, that way it'll smell like delicious bacon.
[11:20:14] <zeeshan> even that halligan23980823039
[11:20:19] <zeeshan> guy uses cutting oil
[11:20:21] <CaptHindsight> pork scented cutting fluids
[11:20:23] <zeeshan> for his finishing pass
[11:20:43] <PetefromTn_> that looks like a nice machine for a chinese one
[11:20:53] <Chopper79> The same for Vel tolerance spinbox and the under,ok,over, and offset led/readouts
[11:22:00] <PetefromTn_> MMmmmm BAcon
[11:22:14] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/tls/5160409941.html $1250 ROCKWELL MODEL 25-0X6 LATHE 11" X 36"
[11:22:27] <CaptHindsight> better than the Chinese lathes
[11:23:30] <zeeshan> guys anything else to check
[11:23:35] <zeeshan> maybe i can measure spindle runout?
[11:23:41] <zeeshan> cause spindle bearings are $$$$$$4
[11:23:49] <CaptHindsight> lol $11k for this "less than 50 hours of use on it, and we have only cut plastic" http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/tls/5163125187.html
[11:24:01] <CaptHindsight> on Sundays
[11:24:33] <fenn> Chopper79: apparently jthornton aka JT-Shop wrote the thc so when he's done with second breakfast he might be able to help
[11:25:01] <Chopper79> haha... I love second breakfast
[11:25:10] <JT-Shop> breakfast what is that?
[11:26:03] <JT-Shop> Chopper79, it would only work if you made the connections in hal
[11:27:34] <Chopper79> ok, I started out wit the 5i20 plasma file in lcnc. Then changed the 5i20 to 5i25 and added what was needed for the 7i76. Did not make other changes to the config. Where they connected before? If so where?
[11:28:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah right 11k for that 14x40... it looks nice but no way is it worth that
[11:29:10] <JT-Shop> depends on which spin box your talking about
[11:29:34] <PetefromTn_> I posted a pair of my portable air conditioners on Craigslist that I don't need now that our home AC unit works so good and I think I sold both of them....WIN!!
[11:29:46] <PetefromTn_> maybe I can buy some parts for the damn lathe LOL
[11:31:52] <Chopper79> Lets just look at the Volts Tolerance spinbox for now.
[11:32:29] <Chopper79> The ones that dont work are the volts tolerance and the vel tolerance.
[11:33:38] <Chopper79> Also non of the led for under,ok, over and then the offset under status.
[11:34:03] <JT-Shop> must not be connected in hal
[11:34:26] <JT-Shop> the man page has a pretty complete set of instructions
[11:34:40] <Chopper79> man page?
[11:35:03] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/thc.9.html
[11:35:37] <JT-Shop> hmm not as complete as I thought
[11:36:03] <Chopper79> I have that printed out but seen nothing that would help me out on this
[11:36:53] <JT-Shop> here is my config http://gnipsel.com/shop/plasma/plasma.xhtml
[11:37:04] <Chopper79> Let me ask this...... Do your spinboxes function and also the led for under,over,ok?
[11:38:10] <JT-Shop> yea but I don't ever use them, I've even eliminated the voltage spin box and now get voltage from the gcode
[11:39:07] <Chopper79> I have looked over the configs that you linked to multiple times and still do not see what im missing.
[11:39:41] <Chopper79> Voltage set from gcode would be awesome. One day, first I need to get past this hiccup
[11:39:56] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/plasma/files/postgui.hal
[11:40:04] <JT-Shop> top lines are thc connections
[11:41:08] <JT-Shop> voltage from g code http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/31-cad-cam/29335-sheetcam-plasma-post-magic#60005
[11:41:49] <JT-Shop> the first yellow box is the hal connection and the last one is the gcode
[11:41:54] <Chopper79> My postgui is same as your besides I removed the joypad connections
[11:42:22] <JT-Shop> net thc-vel-tol pyvcp.vel-tol thc.vel-tol
[11:42:41] <JT-Shop> you need a line like that for each spin box you want to connect
[11:43:13] <JT-Shop> the man page lists the hal pins
[11:45:08] <Chopper79> I have that one and also added the following net thc-volts-tol pyvcp volts-tolerance thc.volts-tol and when added lcnc erros on launch with does not exsist.
[11:45:36] <Chopper79> sorry not volts but voltage
[11:48:24] <JT-Shop> did you put it in your postgui hal file?
[11:48:44] <Chopper79> yes
[11:50:03] <Chopper79> Looks like you had it there at one point or close to same thing and it is commented out.
[11:50:39] <JT-Shop> this can't be correct pyvcp volts-tolerance with a space
[11:52:01] <JT-Shop> look in the hal configuration screen for the correct pin names
[11:52:14] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/basic_hal.html#_hal_commands_a_id_sec_hal_commands_a
[11:53:32] <Chopper79> My exact line is net thc-voltage-tol pyvcp.volts-tolerance thc.voltage-tol
[11:54:14] <zeeshan> are we hitting another recession?
[11:54:17] <JT-Shop> which pin does it say is not there
[11:54:25] <zeeshan> i see tons of new ads on kijiji for machines
[11:54:43] <JT-Shop> open up hal configuration to see the pin names
[11:54:48] <Chopper79> thc.voltage-tol
[11:54:58] <Chopper79> which is listed on the man page
[11:56:29] <Chopper79> In hal config the listed parameters under the thc section, voltage-tol is listed
[11:57:10] <Chopper79> Under the THC section of pins it is no tlisted
[11:58:47] <jthornton> that's why you can't connect to the pin it is a parameter... it's been a while so maybe I didn't connect up voltage-tol to the spin box
[11:59:10] <jthornton> you don't need to change that anyway just use sets in your hal file
[12:00:13] <Chopper79> I was using setp in my hal for now. How about the led and the offset readout are they just not connected also?
[12:02:57] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD62EFLJZYU
[12:03:07] <zeeshan> i leave you guys with this video of that hub!
[12:03:13] <zeeshan> no editting unfortunately :P
[12:04:39] <Chopper79> May just remove them due to not really a needed item. If everything is doing its job then I dont really need to see them working.
[12:08:28] <jthornton> I need to update my web page
[12:12:15] <jthornton> net thc-vel-status pyvcp.vel-status thc.vel-status
[12:12:39] <jthornton> net thc-offset pyvcp.offset <= thc.offset-value
[12:12:55] <jthornton> make sure you have the thc.offset-value pin
[12:14:20] <Chopper79> I do not see a thc.offset-value pin in hal config
[12:14:24] <Chopper79> Must not be there
[12:15:56] <JT-Shop> I probably added to my local copy
[12:16:23] <Chopper79> I do that type of thing often..haha
[12:16:25] <JT-Shop> I need to stick that pin in 2.7 it's a good diagnostic pin
[12:17:11] <Chopper79> Thats really the only reason I was wanrting all these to work so I can trouble shoot visually also.
[12:19:52] <JT-Shop> this is my current version of thc http://pastebin.com/aiJPnikf
[12:23:53] <fenn> zeeshan: nice post-it notes over the electrical outlet
[12:24:19] <fenn> osha compliant chip deflector
[12:25:28] <fenn> your lead-in moves are really long
[12:26:04] <JT-Shop> bbl
[12:33:09] <Chopper79> Ok...Thank you
[12:39:21] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: Your mill seems shy.
[12:41:32] <ReadError> anyone have some good tips for squaring off the end of something that was cut?
[12:41:38] <ReadError> like a piece of 80/20
[12:41:46] <lair82> hello guys, My operator complaned that the spindle speed was running faster than commanded, went out and checked nad sure enough, with a 250 rpm command, I was getting 279-280 at the spindle. So I started adjusting the OUTPUT_SCALE in the INI, and got it to where a commanded 250 came out at 250 on the spindle, but If I command 500 I am actually getting 510. I have the gearchange component in the mix as well. Any thoughts what may ca
[12:42:56] <FinboySlick> lair82: How is linuxcnc commanding the speed? pwm to a 0-10 volt input on your vfd?
[12:45:45] <lair82> Yes 0-10 volts
[12:46:18] <pcw_home> 510 RPM actual for 500 RPM commanded is pretty good without feedback
[12:47:04] <FinboySlick> lair82: Is your output pwm frequency matching what your vfd expects?
[12:47:47] <lair82> Not sure, the dc drive is older than I am, so I don't really have any documentation on the drive.
[12:48:56] <lair82> pcw_home, do I need to use PID on the spindle to close the loop?
[12:49:21] <pcw_home> Yeah, if you want better than 2% accuracy (not sure why you would need that) you probably have to have feedback
[12:49:48] <archivist> 10% is close enough I would have thought
[12:51:35] * SpeedEvil wonders if rigid knurling is a thing
[12:52:19] <lair82> Ok, I have the resolver feedback going to the spindle feedback bar, which that is reading correct, and I checked it with a handheld tach, so I know the numbers are true.
[12:52:24] <archivist> you can cheat and really mill the knurl
[12:53:06] <fenn> but how do you get the vertical stripes then
[12:53:29] <fenn> without a crazy clockmaker's tilted 4th axis
[12:54:01] <archivist> I did one using a helical path, was pretty
[12:54:23] <lair82> The operator said that the varience was to much, and he was prematurely wearing out inserts on his drill. That was when 250 in was giving 280 out.
[12:54:31] <archivist> I want to go with the machine http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-EMPTY-B-C-Barber-Colman-HOB-Tin-Can-for-a-Precision-Tool-Rockford-IL-USA-/281771306879
[12:54:48] <lair82> I guess I need to look at PID on the spindle
[12:54:49] <archivist> shame it costs twice as much for the postage
[12:56:39] <pcw_home> well if you scale it so you split the difference ( so 250 RPM reads a bit low and 500 a bit high, you can probably get within 1% )
[12:57:02] <FinboySlick> lair82: My approach would be to first test if the drive itself is matching the voltage signal (taking pwm out of the equation).
[12:57:52] <FinboySlick> lair82: If you're supposed to get, say 400rpm at 5v, feed it 5.000v and see how close it gets.
[13:00:02] <pcw_home> not sure how much RPM variance you get with load either ( if this is significant , closed loop spindle control probably makes sense )
[13:00:49] <skunkworks> The big machine - we have not closed looped it yet. It follows pretty well
[13:00:54] <pcw_home> though 2% sounds pretty good cant imagine that much variation has any effect on machining but IANAM
[13:01:30] <lair82> I would hope not very much at all, it is a 50HP Reliance DC Spindle motor, on a machine that is rated for 30 HP
[13:01:43] <FinboySlick> skunkworks: You the one with the horizontal cincinati, right?
[13:01:54] <skunkworks> kerney and trecker
[13:02:21] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/oldkandt.JPG
[13:02:22] <ssi> I prefer trecker's solo work
[13:02:28] <FinboySlick> skunkworks: Right the cincinati is the huge 5 axis monster.
[13:02:42] <skunkworks> that is stuart in witchita
[13:03:03] <FinboySlick> That one is such a beautiful beast.
[13:03:51] <skunkworks> mine is pretty sexy too
[13:03:58] <lair82> Could I use a AA battery, 1.5 Volts should get me 240 rpms, If I am doing my math correctly
[13:05:08] <FinboySlick> skunkworks: Yours is like a little factory ;)
[13:06:05] <fenn> lair82: an AA battery won't be exactly 1.5 volts
[13:06:22] <fenn> you could measure the voltage and re-do the calculation though
[13:06:38] <FinboySlick> lair82: Better hook a multimeter to the setup to know exactly what you're feeding it.
[13:07:12] <lair82> Ok, I will go that route, I don't really have any power supplies that are lower than 24vdc
[13:08:07] <lair82> Question though, that is the correct parameter to change in this situation, correct?
[13:14:00] <pcw_home> output scale is the main thing (and you should be able to split the difference between 1/2 speed and full speed errors )
[13:45:08] <skunkworks> The drive might have some scaling also.. I think I got ours to track decent by adjusting the actual vfd
[13:59:35] <PetefromTn_> http://thebikeshed.cc/2014/01/09/colins-82-virago/ Beautiful....
[14:10:59] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: That's a drum brake in the back, no?
[14:24:41] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/mnXWgkr.jpg Yup.... here's another beauty...
[14:32:05] <CaptHindsight> I see a disk and caliper in the rear of the bike/
[14:32:34] <PetefromTn_> where?
[14:33:06] <PetefromTn_> believe it or not that WAS a homely 1982 Yamaha 920 Virago at one time LOL
[14:33:08] <CaptHindsight> yellow/gold caliper below center of wheel facing the camera
[14:33:40] <CaptHindsight> yamazaki 920
[14:34:06] <PetefromTn_> are you talking about the first pic or the second one?
[14:34:09] <CaptHindsight> a very drinkable Japanese whiskey
[14:34:20] <CaptHindsight> second pic
[14:34:55] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah the second one has a completely custom build swingarm and has been setup with chain drive in lieu of the shaft drive
[14:35:21] <PetefromTn_> that second one is some piece of work there are too many custom touches to count on it LOL
[14:35:30] <CaptHindsight> dual piston front caliper and beefy disk
[14:35:39] <CaptHindsight> in the first pic
[14:36:33] <PetefromTn_> I love the second pic how the bike has that MASSIVE single disk setup in front to vastly improve braking yet still retain visibility of those wire wheels...
[14:36:38] <CaptHindsight> and a big ugly drum on the back of the first bike, like it was scavenged from a 1903 Knutzenbuster
[14:36:50] <PetefromTn_> I wonder what sort of tank that is on the second one...
[14:37:29] <CaptHindsight> like the wheels float on air
[14:37:31] <PetefromTn_> Yeah that is what the bike came with actually... shaft drive/Drum 1982!!
[14:37:42] <Loetmichel> *phew* back in the hotel... THAT was a day. 9am to 9pm on the road in london shovin' a wheelchair with 2 bent caster wheels.. and in exess of 250 pounds of wife aboard. At least we covered mdme tussauds AND the bigbus tour. AND the tower of london. AND a city cruise on the thames... and now my feet dont carry me ANY further :-(
[14:37:58] <CaptHindsight> lol
[14:38:03] <PetefromTn_> I have seen quite a few of these custom virago's lately and I have been thinking of getting one and doing my own flavor on it LOL
[14:39:01] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: what no final night of dancing at the Hotel bar?
[14:40:40] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: i am lucky when my feet will carry me from the rooms desk to te bed.
[14:40:46] <Loetmichel> i am totally exhusted
[14:40:55] <Loetmichel> exhausted
[14:41:26] <CaptHindsight> and you had a great time
[14:41:42] <Loetmichel> my wife sure had
[14:45:22] <Loetmichel> especially the way back from the pier to the tower was a challenge... had m hert beting up my throat after that steep incline :-(
[14:45:27] <PetefromTn_> What a good Hubby to do that for her.... I am sure she enjoyed herself with you.
[14:45:40] <Loetmichel> heart
[14:46:26] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn_: what else could i do?
[14:46:56] <Loetmichel> thats our first vacation we could book together in the last 6 years
[14:47:35] <PetefromTn_> I was not being a smartass I think it is wonderful you did that for her and had fun together despite the difficulty for you.
[14:48:46] <Loetmichel> lets say i am happy that she is happy with that week
[14:49:31] <Loetmichel> i'll need another week (that i won't get from my employer) to get back to power tho ;-)
[14:49:48] <PetefromTn_> :D
[14:51:48] <Loetmichel> it seems i got bit of lack in the training department ;-)
[15:18:45] <skunkworks> blockh34d, are you blockhead from mach forums?
[15:19:02] <skunkworks> (probably not)
[15:20:21] <_methods> http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/
[15:21:29] <blockh34d> skunkworks: no
[15:22:30] <skunkworks> good - (he isn't very nice imho_
[15:23:37] <blockh34d> noted
[15:23:55] <blockh34d> i am working on this currently http://s24.postimg.org/4k0xp5vn9/cnc_new_portrait.jpg
[15:24:16] <blockh34d> its a 3d printed cnc that runs on conduit, just building it for a laugh, curious what the results end up looking like
[15:24:18] <_methods> oooh pipes
[15:24:23] <blockh34d> haha ya
[15:24:39] <blockh34d> i wish the project creator had worked in a way to preload the rollers
[15:24:41] <ssi> looks pretty good
[15:24:43] <blockh34d> but oh well, its pretty snug
[15:24:45] <ssi> not terribly rigid, but looks good
[15:24:46] <blockh34d> thanks
[15:24:56] <blockh34d> yah i plan on keep ing the sideload real low
[15:25:06] <blockh34d> dragknife, maybe real shallow cuts on wood etc
[15:25:25] <blockh34d> allegedly you can put an extruder on that, maybe i'll 3d print large stuff very slowly
[15:25:47] <blockh34d> i think about maybe weird extruders though, concrete or something like that, really tall layer heights etc
[15:26:33] <blockh34d> if anyone wants to see that project closer its thingiverse item 724999
[15:26:43] <blockh34d> have a nice day
[15:32:11] <CaptHindsight> working your way to this bad boy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PSG2al1Sus :)
[15:33:31] <zeeshan-lab> hi
[15:33:35] <zeeshan-lab> gonna pass on that machine
[15:33:36] <zeeshan-lab> :(
[15:33:40] <zeeshan-lab> its worth a lot
[15:33:43] <zeeshan-lab> but its in pieces
[15:35:48] <CaptHindsight> easier to move
[15:36:02] <_methods> oooh my favorite pipe cnc video
[15:36:15] <zeeshan-lab> CaptHindsight: no
[15:36:21] <zeeshan-lab> its like 12000lb +
[15:36:42] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan-lab: have a pic?
[15:36:47] <zeeshan-lab> CaptHindsight: yes posting
[15:37:10] <zeeshan-lab> so it has y axis , c axis
[15:37:14] <zeeshan-lab> live tooling, sub spindle
[15:37:17] <zeeshan-lab> no bar loader
[15:37:28] <zeeshan-lab> if you were to buy a new haas with same featuers
[15:37:31] <zeeshan-lab> its 200k +
[15:37:34] <zeeshan-lab> http://imgur.com/a/fQEVW
[15:37:49] <zeeshan-lab> my problem is itll cost a lot to get it running again
[15:37:56] <zeeshan-lab> he wants 3800 w/ some tooling for the machine
[15:37:58] <zeeshan-lab> itll cost 1500 to move it
[15:38:10] <zeeshan-lab> and my entire garage will be tied up for 6 months trying to get it to run
[15:38:14] <zeeshan-lab> dont think i can do that
[15:38:17] <blockh34d> CaptHindsight: haha that thing is epic, it will haunt my dreams
[15:38:52] <blockh34d> i actually thought of something similar using some of these rollerblade parts... i've gotten most of my bearings from old rollerblades, so i have about 6 pairs of them around here to pull parts off of
[15:39:22] <zeeshan-lab> he showed me the auction papers
[15:39:25] <blockh34d> the fittings on that iron pipe cnc, phew, adds up
[15:39:28] <zeeshan-lab> the working ones he paid 90,000 for
[15:39:31] <zeeshan-lab> and he paid 22,000 for this
[15:39:44] <zeeshan-lab> says he got quoted 16,000 to get it fixed
[15:41:43] <CaptHindsight> http://i.imgur.com/JqbR9cz.jpg cogged timing belts with kniption fittings, nice
[15:42:08] <zeeshan-lab> i got that on the mikron i think
[15:43:07] <zeeshan-lab> the power rating on the machinei s
[15:43:13] <zeeshan-lab> 45KVA
[15:43:23] <zeeshan-lab> !!
[15:43:24] <witnit> what all are you needing to buy for it?
[15:43:35] <zeeshan-lab> i dont think i need to buy anything for it
[15:43:42] <zeeshan-lab> im assuming everything is working electronically
[15:43:46] <zeeshan-lab> but there is something mechanically wrong
[15:43:51] <zeeshan-lab> thats why they took apart the whole turett
[15:43:56] <witnit> what will cost so much to repair?
[15:44:02] <zeeshan-lab> labor
[15:44:09] <witnit> amen
[15:44:17] <CaptHindsight> sounds low to me
[15:44:34] <zeeshan-lab> says 220v 130A
[15:44:39] <zeeshan-lab> on the name plate. 3 phase
[15:44:44] <zeeshan-lab> so its great voltage to work at home
[15:45:26] <CaptHindsight> 1KVA just to idle the controllers
[15:45:52] <zeeshan-lab> lol
[15:46:12] <zeeshan-lab> itll need a 200A line coming in
[15:46:15] <zeeshan-lab> single phase!
[15:46:21] <zeeshan-lab> im passing on it
[15:46:25] <ssi> better go 400A just to be safe
[15:46:30] <zeeshan-lab> if someone wants this , let me know i can give you contact
[15:46:37] <zeeshan-lab> i think it is a good deal if you wanna spend 3-6 months fixing it
[15:46:41] <zeeshan-lab> and putting it back together
[15:46:46] <zeeshan-lab> you can sell it for 80,000+
[15:46:47] <witnit> you should be able to create a romantic dim lit living space by cycling the servos
[15:46:48] <zeeshan-lab> when youre done
[15:46:48] <CaptHindsight> and run backup cables to the neighbors service
[15:47:10] <zeeshan-lab> i almost wanna buy it to scrap it
[15:47:14] <zeeshan-lab> i can prolly make 10k off the controls
[15:47:17] <CaptHindsight> will they finance?
[15:47:25] <zeeshan-lab> and 3000 in scrap metal
[15:47:32] <zeeshan-lab> but it would be so mean to do that to this
[15:47:33] <witnit> just build banks and banks of capacitors and fork truck batterys
[15:48:47] <zeeshan-lab> i went and looked at another lathe in the area
[15:48:47] <witnit> maybe a diesel generator
[15:48:49] <zeeshan-lab> 4000 for running condition
[15:48:51] <CaptHindsight> mount an extruder on it and 3D print on the outsides of cylindrical parts
[15:48:56] <zeeshan-lab> 12 hp spindle motor
[15:49:04] <zeeshan-lab> turret, slant bed
[15:49:10] <zeeshan-lab> 8000lb
[15:49:14] <zeeshan-lab> hydraulic tail stock
[15:49:17] <zeeshan-lab> bar loader
[15:49:38] <zeeshan-lab> 1984 vs this one is 1998
[16:25:28] <Deejay> gn8
[16:32:22] <LatheBuilder2> Hello. Anyone else using CAM 360 (in Autodesk Fusion 360)? I am using the the EMC post and working through minor issues.
[16:32:48] <LatheBuilder2> Or HSM Works in Solidworks or Inventor
[17:19:14] <naja452> Ive used fusion 360 cam
[17:42:06] <andypugh> Three cheers for PhotoRec. It is churning away through my corrupted backup volume, and it has found at least one of my Inventor models. It tagged it as f291405440.doc but by grepping the recovered .doc files for the .ipt signature I ended up with a usable file.
[17:42:31] <andypugh> It’s a pity that it is ignoring my custo .ipt filter, but I can live with working this way
[17:42:52] <andypugh> 50 hours to go…
[17:45:54] <zeeshan-lab> nice!
[17:46:40] <JT-Shop> nice
[17:48:27] <andypugh> Luckily my WD MyBook runs Linux, so I could just ssh into it and apt-get install testdisk, so the revovery software is running in the same box as the HDD
[17:59:42] <Tom_itx> andypugh i figured you'd have given up on that
[18:00:15] <andypugh> There are a few 3D models I would like back
[18:00:24] <zeeshan-lab> http://i.imgur.com/tJHjEy7.jpg
[18:00:27] <zeeshan-lab> sorry for the sideways pic
[18:00:35] <zeeshan-lab> why was i told to do it the left one?
[18:00:39] <zeeshan-lab> it makes no sense
[18:00:41] <zeeshan-lab> the right one makes sense
[18:00:47] <zeeshan-lab> you put a resistor in series with the power source
[18:00:48] <Tom_itx> you should share them with your friends so you'll have an offsite backup next time
[18:00:51] <zeeshan-lab> now you probe across that resistor
[18:00:55] <zeeshan-lab> and you can measure the voltage drop
[18:01:03] <zeeshan-lab> whats the logic behind the left one?
[18:01:16] <zeeshan-lab> that is just consuming more power for no reason!
[18:01:46] <andypugh> It also assumes that power can pass through the input circuit. so it won’t work.
[18:01:57] <zeeshan-lab> lol
[18:02:06] <zeeshan-lab> i got told this by an electronics technician
[18:02:14] <zeeshan-lab> !! :P
[18:02:32] <Tom_itx> of course you'd measure a voltge drop across it.. it's a resistor
[18:02:39] <andypugh> For a typical hing-impedance voltage input the left one won’t measure anything at all
[18:02:49] <Tom_itx> somewhat of a current limit
[18:02:51] <andypugh> (high-impedance)
[18:03:21] <zeeshan-lab> theres gotta be a reason he said it to me
[18:03:25] <zeeshan-lab> it seems silly :P
[18:03:38] <andypugh> Maybe the reason is that he is a silly person?
[18:03:46] <zeeshan-lab> maybe!
[18:03:54] <zeeshan-lab> i got my temperature and pressure control working thorugh my program
[18:04:02] <zeeshan-lab> i was missing a fancy little din rail mount for 2 weeks
[18:04:02] <zeeshan-lab> =/
[18:05:06] <zeeshan-lab> http://i.imgur.com/XZG3ejo.jpg
[18:05:09] <zeeshan-lab> thing on the right
[18:05:22] <andypugh> I got the Rivett back together and turning last night. A bit too late last night, my neighbour came round to complain....
[18:05:24] <zeeshan-lab> i kinda wish they made that white box normal
[18:05:28] <zeeshan-lab> so i could use regular stuff, but they didnt
[18:05:32] <zeeshan-lab> its such a scam
[18:05:39] <zeeshan-lab> white thing is $150
[18:05:41] <zeeshan-lab> the base is $90
[18:05:41] <zeeshan-lab> lol
[18:05:52] <Tom_itx> andypugh,is that a pc/mac thing? not linux?
[18:05:53] <zeeshan-lab> rivett??
[18:06:14] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Is what?
[18:06:21] <fenn> is that another tiny current source power supply
[18:06:31] <andypugh> zeeshan-lab: The Rivett lathe in my living room.
[18:06:33] <Tom_itx> PhotoRec
[18:06:44] <fenn> i've used photorec on linux before
[18:06:46] <zeeshan-lab> andypugh: you must not be married
[18:06:49] <zeeshan-lab> to have it in your living room :P
[18:06:52] <andypugh> Tom_itx: It runs on PC, Mac, Linux, just about everything.
[18:07:20] <andypugh> zeeshan-lab: I will have you know that _both_ girls I know have comented what a pretty lathe it is!
[18:07:45] <fenn> photorec is part of package "testdisk"
[18:08:12] <andypugh> zeeshan-lab: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/PN4t25Nb2xIBt0FILfNfJNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[18:08:24] <rootB> hello linuxCNC
[18:08:34] <andypugh> Hi
[18:08:36] <Tom_itx> i haven't needed it but now i know who to ask when i do :)
[18:09:10] <Tom_itx> not something i will store in long term memory
[18:10:19] <fenn> zeeshan-lab: the "left" circuit has the resistor in series, so it's a current limiting resistor
[18:11:00] <andypugh> The lathe runs through an SJ200 Hitachi inverter, which is supposedly controllablw with go-faster / go-slower buttons, but I don’t seem to be able to make that mode actually run.
[18:11:37] <andypugh> fenn: But a current-limiting resistor is an odd thing to add to a 4-20mA current-loop
[18:12:41] <andypugh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_loop
[18:13:56] <fenn> why would you use analog signalling on a touch probe?
[18:14:38] <andypugh> Touch probe?
[18:15:30] <fenn> guess i misread
[18:16:02] <fenn> i wish people would say what they are trying to do when asking questions
[18:17:34] <andypugh> I thought it was quite clear that he was trying to interface a current-loop device to a voltage input.
[18:17:48] <zeeshan-lab> wow that looks nicely done
[18:17:51] <andypugh> But then “4-20mA” has a very specific meaning to me.
[18:17:51] <zeeshan-lab> i was imagining something else
[18:19:04] <andypugh> zeeshan-lab: Did you see the blog post where I planed the dovetail. By hand.
[18:19:23] <zeeshan-lab> yes
[18:19:28] <zeeshan-lab> with that special fixture
[18:19:55] <zeeshan-lab> lol im doing some testing
[18:19:57] <zeeshan-lab> wtf!
[18:20:17] <zeeshan-lab> nm
[18:20:19] <zeeshan-lab> this is correct
[18:20:28] <andypugh> Did you see the post where I cut some dovetails in the drawer sides, by hand :-) http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/rivett-lathe-stand.html
[18:20:37] <zeeshan-lab> for some reason i thought i chose the shunt to output 0-5v
[18:20:39] <zeeshan-lab> but its 0-10v
[18:20:49] <zeeshan-lab> the 3.56v output scared me @ 8~ ma
[18:21:56] <andypugh> There are probably specific devices to convert 4-20mA to 0-10V
[18:22:14] <zeeshan-lab> there is
[18:22:16] <zeeshan-lab> but they are $$$
[18:22:29] <zeeshan-lab> the only benefit i could recall was the fact that they compensate for temperature
[18:22:34] <zeeshan-lab> with their fancy electronics
[18:22:42] <andypugh> Just pretend you used one when you publish the results then.
[18:22:45] <zeeshan-lab> other than that, i couldnt see why you need a 200$ unit vs a 20 cent resistor
[18:22:50] <zeeshan-lab> andypugh: LOL
[18:23:13] <zeeshan-lab> repeatability tests should remove doubt
[18:23:16] <zeeshan-lab> on experimental method
[18:23:27] <zeeshan-lab> as long as im consistently wrong
[18:23:30] <zeeshan-lab> its okay!
[18:23:38] <zeeshan-lab> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PoDnjb0r11I/UsNYwEp_BkI/AAAAAAAAC4g/Ic_LU7dfkZw/s640/IMG_0894.jpg
[18:23:45] <fenn> zeeshan-lab: what are you measuring?
[18:23:46] <zeeshan-lab> you cut these by hand tools?
[18:24:01] <andypugh> Yes
[18:24:04] <zeeshan-lab> fenn: the pid temperature controller im working with
[18:24:19] <zeeshan-lab> it outputs 4-20mA output which im using a signal conditoner to convert to 0-5v
[18:24:32] <zeeshan-lab> and then it also allows you to remotely set the temperature set point, but needs 4-20mA input
[18:24:39] <zeeshan-lab> shit
[18:24:41] <zeeshan-lab> i got that backwards.
[18:24:59] <zeeshan-lab> 4-20mA output where im using a shunt resistor to grab voltage for my datalogger
[18:25:14] <andypugh> Ah, that left-side drawing will convert a voltage output to a current. Perhaps that is what it was for?
[18:25:36] <zeeshan-lab> no that is a seperate circuit
[18:25:43] <zeeshan-lab> this one is just measuring
[18:25:52] <zeeshan-lab> wow i suck at explaining
[18:26:03] <andypugh> But if you did want to convert voltage output to current loop, the series resistor is the way to go
[18:26:27] <zeeshan-lab> 50 C temp -> 5mA output -> resistor -> measure voltage across resistor -> datalogger analog channel -> now i have temp!
[18:27:08] <zeeshan-lab> datalogger output analog channel (volts) -> signal condtioner -> mA -> pid controller understands what im asking it
[18:27:14] <fenn> "Analog current loops were occasionally carried between buildings by dry pairs in telephone cables leased from the local telephone company. 4–20 mA loops were more common in the days of analog telephony." this probably explains why i haven't heard of it
[18:27:23] <zeeshan-lab> fenn
[18:27:26] <zeeshan-lab> they are all over industry
[18:27:34] <zeeshan-lab> they are superior to voltage channels
[18:27:55] <zeeshan-lab> im not electronics expert but they aren't suspectible to noise
[18:28:04] <zeeshan-lab> like voltage stuff is
[18:28:10] <zeeshan-lab> (don't ask me why :P)
[18:28:34] <zeeshan-lab> you can also scale the voltage to whatever you want
[18:28:47] <zeeshan-lab> by choosing an appropriate resistor, upto a limit
[18:28:56] <zeeshan-lab> which iseems to be around 2000 ohms
[18:29:26] <zeeshan-lab> a lot of pot interfaces for vfd are 0-20mA
[18:29:30] <zeeshan-lab> er 4-20mA
[18:29:43] <zeeshan-lab> you might wonder why not 0-20mA?
[18:29:52] <fenn> no, i'm wondering why not ethernet
[18:30:10] <fenn> but that's a different story
[18:30:15] <zeeshan-lab> because a lot of controllers are programmed so if they detect 0V, 0mA, its a wire break scenario
[18:31:34] <fenn> so i guess you're using a resistor with a large temperature coefficient for your 500 ohm ?
[18:31:57] <zeeshan-lab> im using some random resistor i found
[18:31:58] <zeeshan-lab> =)
[18:32:03] <fenn> i don't see any measurement device in the circuit
[18:32:06] <zeeshan-lab> its sitting in room temp
[18:32:18] <zeeshan-lab> the blue box is the data aquisition system
[18:32:23] <zeeshan-lab> ive been calling it a datalogger
[18:32:28] <fenn> yes but there must be a sensor to be logged
[18:32:48] <zeeshan-lab> http://i.imgur.com/FsKbdjm.jpg
[18:33:05] <fenn> presumably you are measuring the temperature of something... like coffee, or hydraulic fluid, or hydraulic coffee fluid
[18:33:21] <zeeshan-lab> that thing in the background is an "Environmental" chamber
[18:33:31] <zeeshan-lab> those wires dangling from the right
[18:33:36] <zeeshan-lab> go into the pid temp controller
[18:37:24] <fenn> so the 500 ohm resistor is to simulate a mile of telephone wire?
[18:39:35] <zeeshan-lab> when the current source is outputting 4mA, the voltage across the resistor is 2V, when its outputting 20mA voltage across is 10V
[18:39:51] <zeeshan-lab> i also know 4mA = -15C
[18:39:57] <zeeshan-lab> and 20mA = 260C
[18:40:00] <zeeshan-lab> so i can calibrate
[18:57:36] <fenn> so the little white box on the DIN rail is a current source, it passes current through some sensor in the environmental chamber (not shown on diagram) which diverts some of the current to ground, and the remainder passes through your resistor?
[19:02:46] <fenn> but if it's a current source why does it say "up to 20mA" or "0 to 20mA" instead of just "20mA"
[19:07:55] <fenn> the more i read the less i understand... http://www.dataforth.com/model.view.aspx?modelid=85
[19:10:15] <zeeshan-lab> fenn: youre overthinking it :P
[19:10:33] <zeeshan-lab> all that white box does is takes a voltage input
[19:10:52] <zeeshan-lab> anywhere from 0 to 5V and outputs a 4-20mA current
[19:11:29] <zeeshan-lab> so if i hook up a 5V battery to it, itll output 20mA
[19:11:41] <zeeshan-lab> if i hook up a 50V battery to it
[19:11:44] <zeeshan-lab> itll still otuput 20mA
[19:12:02] <zeeshan-lab> if i hook up a -5V source to it, itll output 0mA
[19:12:04] <fenn> but if you have a voltage why not just connect that straight to your data logger?
[19:12:22] <zeeshan-lab> my datalogger is outputting 0-5V
[19:12:34] <zeeshan-lab> i convert it to a current and that is something my pid controller understands
[19:12:40] <zeeshan-lab> you cant hook up the 0-5V signal directly to it
[19:13:00] <zeeshan-lab> my question while i was trying to understand this nonsense was
[19:13:04] <zeeshan-lab> wtf is the point?
[19:13:14] <zeeshan-lab> and this is where i guess the telephone logic comes into place
[19:13:32] <zeeshan-lab> if youre running a 10 mile long run of cable, would you want to carry the data over voltage
[19:13:33] <zeeshan-lab> or current?
[19:13:39] <fenn> so you're trying to convert volts to current?
[19:13:51] <zeeshan-lab> articles online say that voltage is susceptible to noise
[19:13:56] <zeeshan-lab> while current is pretty immune to it
[19:14:05] <zeeshan-lab> fenn: yes
[19:14:29] <fenn> so V = IR and bob's your uncle. why the little white box?
[19:14:51] <andypugh> The left-hand circuit drawing would convert voltage to current… But only if the voltage output is capable of 20mA
[19:15:54] <andypugh> Anyway, it got late again
[19:17:01] <zeeshan-lab> fenn: im a clueless mech eng
[19:17:12] <zeeshan-lab> who takes black boxes and gets crap done
[19:17:13] <zeeshan-lab> haha
[19:17:34] <zeeshan-lab> i just know i need to convert a voltage to a current so i gotta use a conditioner
[19:17:41] <fenn> so usually people use data loggers to record data, not to output data
[19:17:42] <zeeshan-lab> if i wanted to convert current to voltage, that is easy with a resistor
[19:17:53] <zeeshan-lab> thats true
[19:18:00] <zeeshan-lab> a lot of daq have gpio
[19:18:01] <zeeshan-lab> and analog out
[19:18:40] <zeeshan-lab> i think they have all these features so you can automate tests
[19:18:44] <zeeshan-lab> and grab data at the same time
[19:24:31] <fenn> pardon me while i go scrub my brain
[19:26:19] <Tom_itx> http://www.dataq.com/products/accessories/r250/4-20ma-current-loop/4-20ma-current-loop_01.gif
[19:27:27] <fenn> Tom_itx: i get that part, it's just a current sensing resistor
[19:32:49] <fenn> if the daq is outputting 0-5V to the little white box, the 500ohm resistor is only there to prevent accidentalls in case the box is set to measure current instead of voltage
[19:32:58] <fenn> accidents*
[19:34:04] <fenn> but in normal use it does nothing, because the box has an input impedance of 50 megaohms
[19:37:13] <fenn> if the daq could output 20mA by itself, the box would be unnecessary too
[19:37:37] <fenn> so if you hook the resistor across the daq output and ground it will draw 10mA which is probably too much current for the daq
[19:40:05] <fenn> actually the resistor wont prevent any accidents it's just cruft
[20:01:58] <zeeshan-lab> damn what am i still doing here
[20:15:41] <fenn> zeeshan-lab: did you figure it out yet
[20:15:47] <zeeshan-lab> figure what out
[20:16:03] <fenn> well you must be working on something, or else go home :P
[20:16:10] <zeeshan-lab> ahha
[20:16:16] <zeeshan-lab> i calibrated all the intput and output
[20:16:21] <zeeshan-lab> so when i write 50C set temp
[20:16:32] <zeeshan-lab> it actually sets it to that on the controller. rather than 51.5 like it was before
[20:16:38] <LatheBuilder2> naja452: did you have to customize the post? The precursor question is did you use it with linuxcnc. I am getting an error on the tool change z height retract. G53 not valid with cutter comp turned on
[20:16:48] <zeeshan-lab> just uploading the datalogs so i can analyze it at home
[20:17:09] <zeeshan-lab> cya!
[20:19:15] <LatheBuilder2> (sorry was called away before, right after asking the first question)
[21:12:04] <zeeshan> fenn: http://i.imgur.com/onTBJ3R.png
[21:12:06] <zeeshan> it worked!! :P
[21:12:58] <CaptHindsight> nice X, what others letters can it make?
[21:14:36] <zeeshan> a big F U
[21:14:37] <zeeshan> :-)
[21:14:49] <CaptHindsight> kewl
[21:17:28] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: what kindah lathe you lookin for?
[21:17:41] <zeeshan> turret, sub spindle
[21:17:47] <zeeshan> slant
[21:17:50] <zeeshan> id be happy withj that
[21:18:02] <zeeshan> live tooling would be cool, but i can always make a custom tool holder with a motor
[21:27:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/21-X-80-COLCHESTER-CNC-4000L-FANUC-OT-FLAT-BED-LATHE-/291494960690 $6500
[21:28:00] <zeeshan> lol
[21:28:02] <zeeshan> thats huge
[21:28:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mori-Seiki-DL-20-CNC-Lathe-Twin-Spindle-/151771293980 in Pete's backyard
[21:30:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamura-Tome-Mod-TMC-3-CNC-Lathe-/251863171170 $2,950.00 Elk River, Minnesota
[21:31:22] <zeeshan> im gonna wait for something local
[21:31:25] <zeeshan> kinda like the mikron
[21:31:34] <zeeshan> im not in a rush :P
[21:31:38] <zeeshan> ill make my lathe work for now
[21:32:16] <CaptHindsight> but just think of the threaded rods you could make on that Colchester :)
[21:32:49] <CaptHindsight> turned exhaust systems :)
[21:38:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clausing-Colchester-CNC-4000L-Lathe/171838603844 $4,000 or best in Georgia
[21:45:30] <zeeshan> majority of the parts i deal with
[21:45:35] <zeeshan> are fairl y large
[21:48:32] <CaptHindsight> ssi: ^^^
[22:37:08] <MacGyverX> In LinuxCNC (AXIS) at lower resolutions it crops off the bottom of the screen, but other apps do not do this, is there a way to adjust that? (800x480 7” touchscreen)
[22:37:28] <MacGyverX> Everything else goes full screen correctly
[22:43:54] <Tom_itx> seems it is set to a minimum size and i dunno if that has a setting in the ini etc or not
[22:44:20] <Tom_itx> i've often wanted to make it smaller on the screen as well
[22:49:27] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/mini.html
[22:49:29] <Tom_itx> there's that
[22:50:22] <cradek> it may have a minimum size
[22:50:54] <cradek> nobody expected screens smaller than 800x600 when AXIS was written 10ish years ago
[22:51:06] <cradek> touchy is really good at varied screen sizes AND it's ideal on a touchscreen
[22:51:30] <Tom_itx> alot of programs i use have minimum size restraints
[22:54:54] <Tom_itx> does gmoccapy have an english doc translation?
[22:55:09] <Tom_itx> the 2.7 html comes up foreign
[22:55:46] <Tom_itx> or mixed at best
[22:55:57] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/gmoccapy-hu.html
[22:55:59] <zeeshan> learn a new language!
[22:56:11] <Tom_itx> c# ?
[22:56:12] <zeeshan> tom
[22:56:18] <zeeshan> do you use google chrome?
[22:56:21] <Tom_itx> no
[22:56:25] <zeeshan> can you?
[22:56:27] <zeeshan> youre missing out
[22:56:30] <Tom_itx> pfft
[22:56:31] <zeeshan> download it right now please
[22:56:36] <zeeshan> ill show you a cool trick
[22:56:38] <zeeshan> and ull always use
[22:56:38] <Tom_itx> no
[22:56:38] <zeeshan> it
[22:56:48] <zeeshan> because with one click
[22:56:52] <cradek> zeeshan: you're drunk, go home
[22:56:52] <zeeshan> that whole webpage turned into english for me
[22:57:08] <Tom_itx> googlish
[22:57:43] <cradek> do you realize what -hu in the path means?
[22:57:49] <zeeshan> lol
[22:57:51] <ChuangTzu> lol
[22:57:59] <zeeshan> hahahaha
[22:58:17] <zeeshan> thats a good way to fix things
[22:58:21] <Tom_itx> that must be a bad link then.. i started from the english docs
[22:58:34] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/uvrEkbt.jpg
[22:58:36] * Tom_itx looks over at JT-Shop
[22:58:36] <zeeshan> in google chrome
[22:58:36] <cradek> yeah might be a bug? where did you find the link?
[22:58:44] <zeeshan> if you click the top right icon
[22:58:49] <zeeshan> itll translate any pagepretty much
[22:58:53] <zeeshan> from most langauges to english
[22:58:56] <zeeshan> theres no bs involved
[22:58:59] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/
[22:59:00] <zeeshan> it takes a sec.
[22:59:05] <zeeshan> this is how i read german pages now
[22:59:12] <ChuangTzu> you can also just put that link into google translate
[22:59:14] <cradek> you don't want to translate the hungarian docs! you want the english docs.
[22:59:15] <ChuangTzu> in any browser you want
[22:59:15] <ChuangTzu> :P
[22:59:27] <zeeshan> ChuangTzu: but thats more work
[22:59:30] <zeeshan> and its not as clean
[22:59:42] <Tom_itx> wait... there's 2 links side by side on the gmoccapy (Magyar) line
[22:59:44] <ChuangTzu> same cleanliness and takes no more work
[22:59:49] <Tom_itx> i clicked the right one...
[22:59:51] <Tom_itx> nevermind
[22:59:52] <ChuangTzu> it's 2 key strokes instead of a mouse click
[22:59:58] <cradek> I wonder what Magyar means
[23:00:01] <zeeshan> how is it two key strokes
[23:00:02] <Tom_itx> that still should be fixed
[23:00:07] <zeeshan> you gotta go to google translate first
[23:00:08] <ChuangTzu> zeeshan: vimperator
[23:00:11] <zeeshan> then press more
[23:00:14] <ChuangTzu> i can make it one key stroke
[23:00:15] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, there are 2 links on the same line
[23:00:29] <zeeshan> like i said
[23:00:31] <zeeshan> thsi is standard stuff
[23:00:33] <cradek> > The Hungarian people refer to themselves by the demonym "Magyar" rather than the term "Hungarian".
[23:00:35] <zeeshan> in a real web browser
[23:00:36] <ChuangTzu> currently it's one key stroke to copy the current url, and one key stroke to open it in google translate
[23:00:37] <zeeshan> not some addon
[23:00:51] <ChuangTzu> vimperator is house i interact with the web
[23:00:58] <ChuangTzu> whether you consider it real or not
[23:01:03] <cradek> so you clicked on something like (Hungarian) but didn't know it
[23:01:07] <zeeshan> suit yourself
[23:01:11] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:01:26] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/
[23:01:34] <cradek> we have several translations and I don't know why just that one is right there
[23:01:40] <Tom_itx> the gmoccapy (Magyar) line has 2 links there
[23:01:54] <Tom_itx> it should be moved
[23:01:56] <cradek> maybe JT-Shop is working on it. I know this is in flux
[23:02:00] <Tom_itx> i know
[23:02:08] <Tom_itx> he may not be aware of that one
[23:02:12] <cradek> yeah
[23:02:21] <cradek> please make sure he knows (tomorrow?)
[23:02:27] <Tom_itx> yeah
[23:02:57] <cradek> if we want translation links there, I'd expect more like (fr) (pt) (hu) or whatever we have
[23:03:05] <Tom_itx> yeah
[23:03:15] <Tom_itx> it was unexpected here for sure
[23:03:19] <cradek> yep
[23:04:11] <Tom_itx> also his expand/collapse button stops at +Developer Information
[23:04:17] <Tom_itx> below that doesn't expand
[23:04:28] <Tom_itx> dunno if that was intentional or not
[23:04:57] <Tom_itx> i'll ask tomorrow
[23:05:20] <cradek> thanks for testing
[23:05:54] <Tom_itx> i think i finally got my control back in one working piece now hopefully
[23:09:19] <Tom_itx> click on the Espaol link at the top and alot of that is in english and the gmoccapy line there is a single link
[23:09:51] <Tom_itx> i'm guessing that translation is still a work in progress
[23:10:04] * zeeshan cant wait for the 2.7 release
[23:10:07] <zeeshan> stable :d
[23:10:13] <zeeshan> cradek in your opinion
[23:10:14] <Tom_itx> use it now
[23:10:17] <Tom_itx> i am
[23:10:18] <zeeshan> is the base system stable?
[23:10:29] <zeeshan> really wanna use moveoff
[23:10:35] <zeeshan> and the new tp
[23:10:38] <Tom_itx> so what you waitin for?
[23:10:48] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: do you make parts though!?!?! :P
[23:10:54] <Tom_itx> of course
[23:10:59] <Tom_itx> not lately but i do
[23:11:15] <zeeshan> it the tp noticeably different?
[23:11:23] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop says it is
[23:11:30] <Tom_itx> he used it on his plasma table
[23:11:44] <fenn> cradek: also the expansion stuff screws up on non-javascript browsers like dillo, it doesn't display at all. would be better if everything were expanded
[23:11:52] <zeeshan> those are higher feedrates though where i think the new tp is supposed to shine
[23:12:28] <Tom_itx> fenn, the expand/collapse was per my request... originally he had it all collapsed
[23:12:42] <Tom_itx> tradeoffs...
[23:13:38] <Tom_itx> fenn, would it work if it defaulted to expanded?
[23:13:43] <Tom_itx> with the option
[23:13:47] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: do you think id notice a different in chip break cycles?
[23:13:47] <fenn> i don't know
[23:14:30] <Tom_itx> zeeshan i haven't run it enough to tell but i wouldn't be surprised
[23:15:24] <fenn> it would be better if the js actively set the div's to "display: none" instead of them starting out that way, and then you have no way to change it
[23:15:28] <Tom_itx> canned cycles? it may not affect them...
[23:15:50] <fenn> because right now it's like <div id="sec0" style="display:none;">
[23:17:31] <zeeshan> The current tp peaks somewhere around 100ipm(first run) - the new tp peaks over 400ipm(second run)
[23:17:33] <zeeshan> hmm
[23:17:37] <zeeshan> maybe i would notice a difference
[23:17:47] <zeeshan> skunkworks post on the forums
[23:18:12] <Tom_itx> he posts results in dev quite a bit
[23:18:29] <Tom_itx> i've been watching it progress there
[23:25:56] <fenn> in the function "change" (expand all/collapse all) the for loop only goes to 13 which is the "developer information" section
[23:28:06] <fenn> also the man page sections are named differently so they wouldn't be expanded by "expand all" and (i'm nitpicking now) they have no </div> tags
[23:54:51] <furrywolf> I think I'll call on that b&s milling machine tomorrow, see if he still has it.
[23:55:10] <furrywolf> my plan is to offer him a honda inverter generator as a trade, if he delivers it here. :)
[23:56:24] * furrywolf only has 17 of those...