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[02:03:19] <Deejay> moin
[02:21:52] <ganzuul> o/
[02:23:37] <ganzuul> Today is school interview day.
[02:24:03] <ganzuul> For chip making school.
[02:24:28] <archivist> fish and chips
[02:27:38] <Deejay> :)
[02:31:20] <ganzuul> :p
[04:59:42] <XXCoder> archivist: put fish in machine, machine it and you get fish chips
[05:59:27] <ktchk> Hi close loop stepper controller, 1.8 or 0.9 stepper motro
[06:01:42] <XXCoder> 1.8 ot 0.9 what?
[06:01:44] <XXCoder> degrees?
[06:07:29] <ktchk> yes
[06:08:33] <XXCoder> .9 definately has much higher accuracy
[06:08:40] <XXCoder> moves less per step
[06:09:00] <XXCoder> 400 steps per single rotation
[06:09:16] <XXCoder> 1.8 is only 200 steps per rotation
[06:09:33] <XXCoder> however you should check its torque and see if around same
[06:09:42] <XXCoder> 0.9 degree usually is more expensive
[06:10:14] <ktchk> I like the 0.9 deg but the factory said 1.8 deg is enough
[06:10:24] <XXCoder> usually is
[06:10:42] <XXCoder> mines 1.8
[06:11:12] <ktchk> I have to connect it to a fast ball screw 10mm per turn
[06:11:46] <XXCoder> so that is basically 200 steps per 10 mm
[06:12:05] <XXCoder> single step would be 0.05 mm
[06:12:24] <ktchk> less then 1000 inch
[06:12:30] <XXCoder> for .9 degree, single step would be 0.025 mm
[06:12:55] <ktchk> that is 1/1000 inch good
[06:13:04] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:13:46] <ktchk> It used to be connected to a servo motor with a 1000 dot disk
[06:15:08] <ktchk> money either goes to controller for servo or stepper motor, looks stepper motor is cheaper
[06:16:06] <XXCoder> servo has nice advanges
[06:16:09] <XXCoder> but yeah
[06:16:49] <ktchk> but this servo have also a 1000 dot disk at the end and is close loop
[06:17:08] <ktchk> stepper controller
[06:18:12] <XXCoder> cool
[06:20:14] <ktchk> i have to convince the factory to change the motor to 0.9 deg one, and the factory disagree
[06:20:46] <XXCoder> why they disagree
[06:21:07] <ktchk> may be price??
[06:21:49] <XXCoder> possibly, 0.9 is more expensive
[06:22:22] <ktchk> ok but they have to break a package to change it.
[06:22:43] <XXCoder> well
[06:22:52] <XXCoder> you can always just order motors seperate;y
[06:22:56] <XXCoder> and swap em
[06:23:26] <ktchk> may be I can pay for the swap difference less money
[06:23:49] <XXCoder> maybe dunno
[06:23:58] <ktchk> thanks
[06:24:08] <XXCoder> np hopefully it will work
[06:24:14] <XXCoder> gonna complete my cnc router lol
[06:24:25] <XXCoder> so close I can almost taste wood chips
[06:24:56] <ktchk> diy built
[06:26:49] <ktchk> debian 7 or ubuntu 10.04?
[06:27:36] <XXCoder> ubuntu I think
[06:27:43] <XXCoder> whatever default linuxcnc package is. lol
[06:27:51] <ktchk> parellel port?
[06:27:55] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:28:01] <XXCoder> mines real cheap controller
[06:28:14] <XXCoder> entire electrics kit cost me coupe hundred
[06:28:23] <ktchk> no problem
[06:28:52] <ktchk> I am using 6560 board and cheap
[06:30:02] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3Axis-Nema23-Stepping-Motor-110N-cm-3-0A-4wire-board-TB6560-Power-for-CMC-mill-/281188392513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4178225e41
[06:32:02] <ktchk> 6560 under linuxcnc have to use the negative side, test with stepconf first untill they works
[06:32:33] <XXCoder> forgot what I did, been a while but config worked for me
[06:32:42] <XXCoder> used tape "flags" on motors lol
[06:32:44] <XXCoder> spinny flags
[06:34:31] <ktchk> the wrong pulse edge made my motor jump and rettle
[09:36:27] <lair82> pcw_home, you around?
[09:36:59] <pcw_home> Yeah
[09:40:26] <lair82> I am in the middle of a conundrum, I have ran out of inputs on my 7i70 card, and I need 1 more. A while back I had to move some inputs from my 7i73 to the 7i70, due to not paying attention to the fact that inputs 0-8 on the 73 are analog inputs. You mentioned maybe using a resistor to use these as regular hi/low inputs. How would I do that?
[09:44:51] <pcw_home> The input 0..7 are available in HAL as digital pins but since they are intended for analog
[09:44:53] <pcw_home> inputs, they have no pullups or pulldowns so will float to any random voltage if unconnected
[09:48:53] <pcw_home> they will work as regular hi/low inputs if driven by a 0 to 3.3v signal
[09:48:55] <pcw_home> if you want to use them as switch inputs I would connect a pullup resistor
[09:48:56] <pcw_home> ( say 4.7K Ohms ) to each pin used for a switch and connect the other end of the resistor to
[09:48:58] <pcw_home> 3.3V . Then a switch that grounds the input will work
[09:49:32] <pcw_home> _do not_ connect inputs 0..7 to 5V
[09:49:47] <lair82> I have a bunch of extra resistors from when you showed me how to correct the voltage on those resolvers, they are 250mw/47ohm,100ohm,220ohm, and 300ohm.
[09:50:00] <lair82> But I need to use a 4.7k ohm?
[09:50:46] <ssi> doesn't need to be 4.7k, but those are all a bit low for a pullup
[09:51:46] <ssi> depending on what you're connecting to the inputs, a 300R pullup might swamp the output impedance of your source
[09:52:19] <lair82> Ok, I see, so the resistor gets connected to the 3.3v and the input pin on the 73, then I wire the switch in, between the input and ground. Sound right?
[09:52:41] <ssi> yep
[09:52:47] <pcw_home> 1K to 10 K would be a decent range
[09:53:32] <pcw_home> 300 would but if you use a bunch you start increasing the 7I73s power draw
[09:53:39] <pcw_home> would work
[09:54:18] <lair82> All I want to do is move the inputs I have going to the 7i70, back to the 7i73, to open up some inputs on the 7i70 for the rotary table I am adding right now. I moved the increment and axis select inputs to the 7i70, thinking I would be okay
[09:54:31] <lair82> Not so much now.
[09:55:10] <lair82> What if I put 2 300's in series for each input?
[09:55:19] <pcw_home> Yeah the 7I73 is OK for local buttons but not as good for long noisy wires
[09:55:56] <pcw_home> it will work (300 will work for a switch)
[09:57:11] <lair82> Ok, If I need to I have no issue getting bigger resistors, I just don't have any more room on my panel for another card :(
[09:58:11] <lair82> Either that or I put a 7i84 on the face of the Servo drive for rotary table so it has it's own dedicated I/O card.
[10:12:39] <Loetmichel> Gnah.... anyone knows where to get two coaster front wheels for a wheelchair in central london?
[10:15:16] * Loetmichel is sitting here with my wife near the eye in a costa and her wheelchair has both front wheel hubs bent t the point they block ob the turret mount.
[10:15:44] <Loetmichel> .. thabks to london potholes on the walkwys
[10:15:50] <Loetmichel> Thanks
[10:19:48] <Jymmm> I think I figured out my caster issue... drill out the wheel rivet to get to the underside of the presside in stud so I can cut it out, then replace with new 1/4-20 bolts and spacer washers. It won't be better, but I'm not planning on putting them on a moving truck again anytime soon either.
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[10:21:00] <Jymmm> Just need to get/find some quality bolts and not the home depot crap
[10:21:07] <Loetmichel> Anyone near london at all here?
[10:21:19] <archivist> Loetmichel, google finds a few repair places
[10:21:34] <archivist> I am 120 miles north of you
[10:22:11] <archivist> like http://www.visitlondon.com/traveller-information/essential-information/accessible-london/equipment-sale-hire-repair
[10:22:27] <Loetmichel> yeah. Tried the nex one... they said "only nhsvprovided wheelchairs "
[10:22:37] <archivist> heh useless
[10:23:33] <archivist> http://www.visitlondon.com/traveller-information/place/165699-gbl-wheelchair-services
[10:23:51] <Jymmm> whelchair repair?
[10:24:03] <Loetmichel> Semms i lust havevto bend thebplasic hubs back again and be VERY careful at any pothole now
[10:24:35] <Loetmichel> Seems
[10:24:58] <archivist> not too far http://www.londonmobilityretail.co.uk/servicing-repairs.php
[10:25:43] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: what chair is it?
[10:28:54] <archivist> Loetmichel, sort of thing a taxi driver might know where a local repair place is
[10:29:59] <Jymmm> If you just need a part, maybe you can find a broken/used one and salvage it from there.
[10:30:11] <archivist> possibly part of the "knowledge" they have to learn
[10:30:20] <Jymmm> heh
[10:30:27] <archivist> Jymmm, he is abroad
[10:30:50] <Jymmm> where?
[10:31:03] <Loetmichel> Jymmm a german chep cgairvfrom ebay
[10:31:17] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: ah, gotcha
[10:31:32] <Loetmichel> Enigma is the only writing i see on it
[10:32:09] <Jymmm> http://www.enigmawheelchairs.com/
[10:32:23] <archivist> that repair shop run by disabled could possibly be more aware of getting stuff done at short notice
[10:32:47] <Rab> Loetmichel, tried contacting the chair manufacturer for a pointer to London distribution/service? They should be able to offer that info even if you weren't the original customer.
[10:34:34] <archivist> or a couple of swivel wheels from the local machine mart
[10:35:26] <Jymmm> local hospitals or old folks home probably have stcks of broken ones laying aournd in some closet
[10:35:31] <Jymmm> stacks*
[10:36:57] <archivist> machine mart is about a mile away with casters https://www.machinemart.co.uk/pages/stores/location/london-docklands
[10:43:58] <lair82> pcw_home, ssi Thank You, now I'm back to work
[10:49:31] <Jymmm> archivist: I need one of those here =)
[10:50:17] <archivist> they are a useful outlet when you need something in a rush
[10:51:54] <Jymmm> archivist: mechanical/industrial surplus stores are just rare things these days
[10:52:11] <Jymmm> if not extinct
[10:52:26] <archivist> machine mart is not a surplus store
[10:52:58] <Jymmm> I understand, just saying that mechanical stuff is hard to find anymore
[10:53:08] <Jymmm> locally that is
[10:53:15] <Jymmm> (retail)
[10:53:16] <archivist> just have to look in the right places
[10:54:46] <Jymmm> Hell, I went to home depot to get a second male garden to male faucet adapter that I had bought there years ago, they dont carry them in the store now, all online they said.
[10:55:07] <archivist> Loetmichel, you never mentioned the wheel diameter
[11:04:25] <Loetmichel> We are heading back to the hotel now
[11:04:50] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: what size wheel do you need?
[11:06:01] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I say hit an old folks home, tip someone over and snatch their chair ;)
[11:06:24] <Loetmichel> Jymmm about 5 to 6 inch and 8mm shaft thru the bearrings
[11:06:43] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: restraunt supply carts?
[11:07:07] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: the hotel luggage cart?
[11:07:17] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: furniuture dolly?
[11:07:50] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: broken hotel kitchen cart to salvage from?
[11:08:43] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: if it's a nice hotel, talk to the concierge, they're their job
[11:08:43] <lair82> pcw_home, just found a bag of 10K ohm resistors, should I just use those instead?
[11:08:58] <Jymmm> their*
[11:09:13] <pcw_home> yeah those should work fine
[11:09:23] <lair82> Ok, thanks
[11:09:51] <pcw_home> 3.3V is available on one of the 7I73 connectors
[11:13:53] <zeeshan|2> it looks like indexable C axis for a lathe
[11:13:59] <zeeshan|2> isn't that common
[11:14:18] <zeeshan|2> and live tooling is even rarer for older machines
[11:14:38] <Jymmm> what is "live" tooling?
[11:14:51] <zeeshan|2> literally what it means, the tools are alive
[11:14:52] <zeeshan|2> they spin
[11:15:00] <archivist> milling head on a lathe
[11:15:05] <Jymmm> k
[11:15:05] <zeeshan|2> like imagine a lathe turret with a drill motor on one of the tools
[11:15:17] <zeeshan|2> so now you can drill bolt patterns in round parts for example
[11:15:19] <zeeshan|2> like a pipe flange
[11:15:20] <zeeshan|2> in one setup
[11:15:28] <Jymmm> gotcha
[11:15:57] <zeeshan|2> now i have a Q.
[11:15:58] <archivist> zeeshan|2, bench centres about 2 thou out of line ish
[11:16:13] <zeeshan|2> if you took a standard cnc lathe, say a 15 or 7.5hp spindle
[11:16:18] <zeeshan|2> and replaced it with a DC servo
[11:16:23] <zeeshan|2> would you still need a brake?
[11:16:38] <archivist> depends
[11:16:54] <zeeshan|2> replaced dc servo would be equivalent torque
[11:16:57] <zeeshan|2> i mean hp
[11:17:05] <zeeshan|2> archivist: that is easy to fix i'd think?
[11:17:11] <zeeshan|2> it has adjustment for tha tail stock?
[11:17:42] <archivist> no adjustment at all
[11:17:49] <zeeshan|2> hmm
[11:17:58] <zeeshan|2> is it out in the X direction
[11:18:03] <zeeshan|2> or is it drooping down
[11:18:28] <archivist> x, if anything may be a bit of bed twist
[11:18:46] <zeeshan|2> it has to be?
[11:18:50] <zeeshan|2> theres no other place it can be coming from
[11:18:53] <archivist> I can correct it a bit by leaning on it
[11:18:55] <zeeshan|2> its not like the ways are worn
[11:20:07] <archivist> I need a better bar, been cleaning the registers and centres got it from about 5 thou Monday to a couple today
[11:21:34] <archivist> added a lump under the front right to twist it a bit under its own weight, that got 1/2 a thou improvement
[11:22:06] <archivist> it has 3 feet so that is naughty :)
[11:23:41] <zeeshan|2> level the machine! :P
[11:23:55] <zeeshan|2> or has the casting sagged
[11:24:04] <zeeshan|2> from sitting on unlevel garden soil? :)
[11:24:34] <archivist> been stored vertical against the shed for years
[11:26:43] <zeeshan|2> i need to come up with a plan soon
[11:26:52] <zeeshan|2> about how to get a cnc lathe into my garage
[11:26:57] <Jymmm> BUG-A-SALT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTVn6OhATaI
[11:26:59] <zeeshan|2> and move my current cnc lathe out but still be able to use it
[11:27:02] <zeeshan|2> while i get the new one running
[11:27:13] <ssi> what are you going to get
[11:27:22] <zeeshan|2> ive been going back and forth with this guy
[11:27:23] <zeeshan|2> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/mississauga-peel-region/cnc-lathe/1049659141
[11:27:35] <zeeshan|2> its in not working condition (the way i like it!)
[11:27:38] <ssi> :D
[11:27:43] <zeeshan|2> but it has all the guts there
[11:27:48] <zeeshan|2> its supposed to have a c-axis
[11:27:59] <zeeshan|2> and Y axis milling w/ live turrett
[11:28:14] <zeeshan|2> so you can pretty much machine say a hex on a lathe and drill holes at the same time
[11:28:24] <zeeshan|2> im trying to find out if it has a sub spindle
[11:28:35] <zeeshan|2> so you can move parts from one spindlke to antoher to do both sides of the part
[11:28:42] <zeeshan|2> if it does, i m pretty much buying it
[11:29:25] <zeeshan|2> i don't know how ill work with both machines at the same time
[11:29:34] <zeeshan|2> cause the current lathe takes up a lot of space
[11:29:37] <zeeshan|2> bead roller i can move to basement
[11:29:51] <pcw_home> Since it was apart I would verify that nothing is missing...
[11:30:03] <zeeshan|2> yea ill have to inspect it for a while
[11:30:07] <zeeshan|2> to see what they took apart
[11:30:26] <zeeshan|2> it has fanuc garbage on it
[11:30:28] <zeeshan|2> for the servo drives
[11:30:48] <pcw_home> what vintage?
[11:31:10] <archivist> and the level says 2 2/3 minutes of twist
[11:31:10] <pcw_home> older Fanuc drives are analog +-10
[11:31:28] <zeeshan|2> the control is a fanuc 16t
[11:31:37] <pcw_home> newer one are PWM, still newer are FSSB
[11:32:25] <archivist> chuck the toy car out to make space :)
[11:32:37] <zeeshan|2> the machines will go before the car will
[11:32:50] <zeeshan|2> if that reinforces how important the car is :)
[11:33:11] <archivist> machines are more important than cars!
[11:34:02] <zeeshan|2> im not sure how ill power this beast?
[11:34:10] <zeeshan|2> 20-25 hp will consume my whole house power
[11:34:24] <ssi> you're gonna need at least a 500A service for that
[11:34:32] <ssi> if you use ZeeshanMath(tm)
[11:34:36] <zeeshan|2> haha
[11:34:38] <archivist> get a generator, move to a proper industrial unit
[11:34:39] <pcw_home> If the Fanuc drives are there get the part number and I can tell you what they are
[11:36:38] <zeeshan|2> using the mill for the production job
[11:36:44] <zeeshan|2> i realize i need a foot switch for the tool changer
[11:37:30] <zeeshan|2> he says a similar machine sold on auction for 90000
[11:37:30] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: just attach two bare wires to your knees ;)
[11:37:33] <zeeshan|2> i dont know what to make of that
[11:37:37] <zeeshan|2> i cant find any prices of this online
[11:38:11] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: lol
[11:38:13] <archivist> new price maybe
[11:40:11] <zeeshan|2> gonna go look @ it tomorrow
[11:40:42] <zeeshan|2> ssi you still need to convince me
[11:40:53] <zeeshan|2> that if you're trying to power a 3 phase motor
[11:41:15] <zeeshan|2> it won't consume 1.73 times the current vs a single phase motor for the same hp
[11:41:33] <zeeshan|2> power is constant between the two, so say 1hp motor -> 746W
[11:43:38] <zeeshan|2> both connected to 240V ac. if you were to hook up an ammeter on a the single phase motor you'd read 3.11A
[11:44:03] <zeeshan|2> but for the three phase motor you'd read 1.80A
[11:44:29] <zeeshan|2> so that means the incoming power wire size and breaker for the single phase motor has to be 1.73 bigger
[11:44:32] <zeeshan|2> for the larger current draw
[11:44:41] <zeeshan|2> where is my logic flawed in this?
[11:44:57] <Rab> zeeshan|2, either you get more hp or you dissipate the extra power. You canna' beat the laws of thermodynamics.
[11:45:15] <zeeshan|2> ive done this sizing enough times at eaton, and means ive been doing it too safe if you say otherwise
[11:45:36] <zeeshan|2> rab i don't understand where you're bringing thermodynamics into this
[11:45:37] <Rab> So does a 3-phase motor dissipate 73% more power? I'm skeptical.
[11:45:40] <zeeshan|2> when im talking simple p=vi
[11:45:56] <zeeshan|2> its a simple 3 phase vs single phase math
[11:46:04] <zeeshan|2> for example if you don't want to look at the math involved in it
[11:46:06] <zeeshan|2> just look at this chart
[11:46:10] <zeeshan|2> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ampere-phase-d_449.html
[11:46:16] <Rab> zeeshan|2, what's happening to the extra current the motor is allegedly drawing? It's definitely subject to the laws of thermodynamics.
[11:46:25] <zeeshan|2> fit shows equivalent current draw for different power ratings
[11:47:08] <zeeshan|2> Rab: my understanding in single phase you only got 1 phase providing the current
[11:47:15] <zeeshan|2> while in 3 phase, you got 3 phases
[11:47:53] <zeeshan|2> the sum of those phases leads to the same power draw
[11:48:38] <zeeshan|2> you can think of it that the motor gets 3 small jolts vs 1 large jolt
[11:49:28] <Rab> That makes sense. But I don't understand why a 3-phase motor should draw almost twice the current for an equivalent workload.
[11:49:29] <zeeshan|2> Rab: power consumption is the same between the two, law of thermodynamics isn't violated.
[11:49:46] <zeeshan|2> because if you work the math out for 3 phases
[11:49:48] <zeeshan|2> vs single phase
[11:49:54] <zeeshan|2> and keep power constant between the two, and voltage also
[11:50:05] <zeeshan|2> you see that the current per wave changes
[11:50:35] <zeeshan|2> i took this class 4 years ago, so i am rusty on the math
[11:50:38] <pcw_home> the RMS current is the same (but you have to sum the 3 phase currents funny because of the 120 degree angle between phases)
[11:50:41] <zeeshan|2> but i remember the principle and chart
[11:50:58] <zeeshan|2> we were using "phasors" and came up wit hthe conversion between the two
[11:53:43] <zeeshan|2> pcw_home: on that chart, what type of current are tehy showing
[11:53:47] <zeeshan|2> it has tbe phase current
[11:53:48] <zeeshan|2> not rms
[11:53:59] <zeeshan|2> cause you spec a conductor size by the phase current
[11:54:14] <zeeshan|2> tbe = to be
[11:55:17] <ssi> zeeshan|2: I never quibbled about the 3ph current
[11:55:28] <pcw_home> right the total RMS current is the same, the per phase currents are different
[11:55:41] <ssi> it was your crazy method of taking the max possible input currents of every drive and summing them to come up with your service size that I took exception with :)
[11:56:12] <zeeshan|2> ssi, but that is the safest way to do it right?
[11:56:15] <zeeshan|2> i didn't design the machine
[11:56:25] <zeeshan|2> so i don't know what kind of duty cycles each axis will see
[11:56:31] <zeeshan|2> even running the machine right now, it varies so much
[11:56:50] <ssi> it's like if you were building a house, and you said "ok we have a 50A breaker for the welder and a 50A breaker for the AC and a 20A breaker for the stove and a 20A breaker for the dryer and ten 15A circuits for outlets and lighting... that means we need a 300A service"
[11:57:02] <zeeshan|2> but that's exactly how it's done though
[11:57:05] <zeeshan|2> for sizing distribution
[11:57:13] <zeeshan|2> you always size it on the safe size
[11:57:15] <zeeshan|2> side
[11:57:22] <zeeshan|2> dude you should see the service coming into oakville hospital
[11:57:28] <zeeshan|2> each floor gets 5000A
[11:57:32] <zeeshan|2> floor = ward
[11:57:32] <zeeshan|2> i mean
[11:57:35] <ssi> a hospital is a bit bigger than a house
[11:57:38] <zeeshan|2> yes
[11:57:47] <zeeshan|2> but each ward is like 5 houses
[11:57:57] <zeeshan|2> and it was well oversized!!
[11:57:58] <ssi> so why doesn't your house have 1000A service
[11:58:13] <zeeshan|2> ssi most of my friends houses have 400A service
[11:58:24] <zeeshan|2> and 200A is standard now on crap dewellings
[11:58:38] <zeeshan|2> crap = off the mill houses :)
[11:58:53] <ssi> fine
[11:58:59] <pcw_home> Typically servos used for CNC draw less than 20% of their input rating because
[11:58:59] <ssi> better get started on installing the 1000A service
[11:59:00] <pcw_home> when they move fast they have little load and only have anywhere near full load at low speeds
[11:59:02] <ssi> cause you're going to need it
[11:59:15] <zeeshan|2> hahah ssi
[11:59:17] <zeeshan|2> i think 140A
[11:59:22] <zeeshan|2> will run the machine fine
[11:59:32] <ssi> if you add up the full load input ratings of everything you have in two big cnc machines
[11:59:36] <ssi> it's going to sum to a ridiculous number
[11:59:40] <zeeshan|2> i would underdrive the 20hp spindle motor
[11:59:41] <ssi> and you'd better be on the safe side!
[11:59:55] <ssi> maybe 2000A service to be safe
[12:00:00] <ssi> hell, call them and get a 2mw substation put in
[12:00:04] <zeeshan|2> the single most largest thing that oversizes wire for the mill is the spindle motor
[12:00:08] <zeeshan|2> it by itself is sized for 60A
[12:00:23] <pcw_home> Spindles are usually where the power goes
[12:00:55] <zeeshan|2> ssi, if i could go back and rework it
[12:00:55] <ssi> my vmc has a 15hp spindle. To run just the spindle on single phase I really need 4AWG and 100A
[12:01:00] <ssi> but I have it on 6AWG and 60A
[12:01:01] <zeeshan|2> i would take the machine power rating on the back
[12:01:12] <ssi> guess what happens if I draw more current than I have wire to handle
[12:01:21] <zeeshan|2> and use that to calculate my primary load entry breaker
[12:01:40] <zeeshan|2> the breaker trips
[12:01:42] <ssi> yep
[12:01:50] <ssi> so tell me how I could make it "more safe"
[12:01:54] <zeeshan|2> there is nothing wrong with that at all
[12:02:00] <zeeshan|2> you're just not using the max potential of your motor
[12:02:04] <ssi> agreed
[12:02:07] <zeeshan|2> which i doubt you'll ever need
[12:02:08] <zeeshan|2> haha
[12:02:12] <ssi> agreed
[12:02:21] <zeeshan|2> but i think for a lathe minimum should be 7.5hp
[12:02:24] <ssi> if I get to a point where it's nuisance tripping because I'm trying to use the full potential of the motor
[12:02:26] <zeeshan|2> and for a mill same thing
[12:02:27] <ssi> I'll pull a bigger service
[12:02:34] <ssi> SIMILARLY
[12:02:41] <zeeshan|2> like when i am cutting .375 full slot cutt in mild steel
[12:02:41] <ssi> if you have five 2000W servo drives
[12:02:50] <ssi> the chances of them actually needing 10kw rms are pretty small
[12:02:53] <zeeshan|2> im pretty much close to the 5 hp rating of the mill motor
[12:03:09] <ssi> but if by god you do manage to hit that limit, a breaker trip isn't the worst that can happen
[12:03:20] <ssi> size the breaker to the wire
[12:03:23] <ssi> select sane values
[12:03:29] <ssi> don't add up all the damn numbers you t ard
[12:04:11] <zeeshan|2> ssi
[12:04:19] <zeeshan|2> i wanted to maximize the usage of my mill
[12:04:22] <zeeshan|2> so i could take heavy cuts
[12:04:27] <zeeshan|2> for the lathe, obviously i need to tone down
[12:04:36] <zeeshan|2> i want max potential for each servo drive
[12:04:44] <zeeshan|2> (especially Z axis)
[12:04:53] <zeeshan|2> but i'd tone down on the spindle power
[12:07:24] <zeeshan|2> ssi speaking of your mill
[12:07:26] <zeeshan|2> is she in action?
[12:07:30] <ssi> hell no
[12:07:39] <zeeshan|2> youve been flying too much
[12:07:42] <ssi> yep
[12:07:49] <zeeshan|2> get back into it :{
[12:08:00] <ssi> it's been so damn hot too
[12:08:18] <zeeshan|2> i wish i could say the same
[12:08:22] <zeeshan|2> its been a mild summer up here
[12:08:29] <zeeshan|2> i never remember it being this mild
[12:08:33] <zeeshan|2> i had a hoodie on last night
[12:08:48] <ssi> it's been high 90s and 800% humidity for months
[12:09:17] <Loetmichel> re at the hotel
[12:09:26] <CaptHindsight> as a sanity check I'd measure the temp of all the conductors, motors and drives to put yourself at ease
[12:10:37] <CaptHindsight> if the data still doesn't calm any fears then at least you'll know what the problem is
[12:10:54] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: ir testing was standard
[12:11:00] <zeeshan|2> for custom enclosures
[12:11:17] <zeeshan|2> i forget , but i think the bus bars could not exceed 90C
[12:11:31] <archivist> someone stateside there are some HP laser interferometer bits on fleabay
[12:11:45] <zeeshan|2> link?
[12:12:17] <archivist> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Hewlett-Packard-5505A-Laser-Interferometer-Display-Carrying-case-/141742020916
[12:12:45] <archivist> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Hewlett-Packard-5510A-Laser-Interferometer-Automatic-Compensator-10564A-/141742034026
[12:13:04] <archivist> no head and mirror though
[12:13:35] <CaptHindsight> Vacaville, California
[12:14:16] <archivist> and rather old, but something to play with and learn from
[12:15:25] <zeeshan|2> are nixie tubes valuable?
[12:15:31] <zeeshan|2> i have this from a local space
[12:15:33] <zeeshan|2> that they want me to sell
[12:16:19] <archivist> nerds like nixies....grrrrrr
[12:16:39] <archivist> dont wreck good gear for them
[12:16:50] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/BPiaAaH.jpg
[12:16:53] <zeeshan|2> this is a philips counter
[12:17:11] <zeeshan|2> i dont know if it's valuable enough to raise money for the hackerspace
[12:18:00] <zeeshan|2> archivist: i guess you've got interferometer on the search list eh?
[12:18:05] <zeeshan|2> i want one!
[12:18:10] <zeeshan|2> buy one, so when i come to englad
[12:18:14] <archivist> hehe hhhooooo me
[12:18:16] <zeeshan|2> its another thing i can load in the suitcase
[12:18:40] <archivist> I have a PM6645 frequency counter manual
[12:19:04] <Rab> archivist, I keep buying cheap gear from hamfests to rob the nixie tubes, finding out it works perfectly, and then setting it on a shelf. :(
[12:19:22] <archivist> rofl...good boy
[12:19:25] <Rab> Last piece was a nice Systron-Donner counter...I just couldn't do it.
[12:19:25] <zeeshan|2> :D
[12:19:49] <archivist> which one, some were microwave
[12:20:03] <Rab> This is low-frequency, might be 100KHz.
[12:20:31] <Rab> I think it's intended more as an event counter than a frequency counter.
[12:20:58] <zeeshan|2> rab are counters valuable?
[12:21:13] <Rab> zeeshan|2, not really.
[12:21:17] <archivist> not especially valuable
[12:21:17] <zeeshan|2> damn :P
[12:21:40] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: look on ebay
[12:21:44] <archivist> but nixie robbers are making them more scarce
[12:21:46] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: they are saleable, but not valuable
[12:21:46] <Rab> It's the kind of thing you would use a microcontroller for, or just a piece of software.
[12:21:55] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: not sure what to look for
[12:22:06] <Rab> zeeshan|2, what's the model number?
[12:22:44] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50-Pcs-IN-4-IN4-Big-Nixie-Tubes-for-clock-NEW-NOS-OTK-Made-in-USSR-TESTED-/171774465490?hash=item27fe8e55d2
[12:22:55] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Used-Tested-Nixie-tubes-IN-14-14-1pcs-/151747772338?hash=item2354df3fb2
[12:23:03] <zeeshan|2> rab don't have it on me :(
[12:23:10] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6-Pcs-IN-14-IN14-Nixie-Tubes-for-clock-Used-tested-working-OTK-Made-in-USSR-/171231468324?hash=item27de30db24
[12:23:12] <Rab> Don't get me wrong, a frequency counter is a desirable thing, but if it's <1GHz and takes up 2U+, it's pretty much worthless.
[12:23:45] <archivist> I had better hide my 18ghz one then
[12:24:24] <Rab> Vast quantities of cheap russian-made tubes out there. Vintage US-made tubes command a premium.
[12:24:43] <Rab> And they usually are better made.
[12:24:44] <zeeshan|2> these nixie tubes require a hv supply right
[12:24:46] <zeeshan|2> to light em up?
[12:24:52] <archivist> yup
[12:24:53] <zeeshan|2> im assuming they are like neons
[12:25:01] <Rab> Yep, ~180V @ ~2mA.
[12:25:02] <zeeshan|2> or are neons!
[12:25:03] <archivist> they are neons
[12:25:12] <zeeshan|2> that is very cool
[12:25:20] <SpeedEvil> archivist: Are there other ones? Argon?
[12:25:23] <SpeedEvil> Krypton?
[12:25:28] <SpeedEvil> Radon?
[12:25:31] <zeeshan|2> radon
[12:25:32] <zeeshan|2> lol
[12:26:01] <Rab> Some have added gasses to improve life, maybe Argon.
[12:26:08] <archivist> I dont remember seeing any other gasses used
[12:26:18] <Rab> Often mercury.
[12:26:32] <zeeshan|2> the taste of mercury vapor
[12:26:36] <CaptHindsight> did anyone ever start remaking Nixie tubes?
[12:26:37] <zeeshan|2> delicious
[12:26:38] <cradek> http://www.ebay.com/itm/191535753261 I think I paid a buck or two apiece for these a while back
[12:27:00] <Rab> CaptHindsight, there are DIY efforts. ;)
[12:27:08] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: I've considered doing a nice cathode ray tube clock
[12:27:43] <Rab> Some russian vacuum tube factories tooled back up for the musical equipment market. I think there are so many surplus russian nixies that there's no profit motive.
[12:27:52] <SpeedEvil> https://nstoneroy.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/jj-thomson-cathode-ray-tube.jpg - like this
[12:28:10] <SpeedEvil> But - with a mahogony base, brass trimmings, ...
[12:28:23] <ssi> have you seen glasslinger on youtube?
[12:28:28] <ssi> he's made some handmade nixies
[12:28:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.tubeclockdb.com/nixie-clocks/137-cosmodog-nixie-numechron.html i recall their being a shortage when this was first built ~10 years ago
[12:29:16] <CaptHindsight> Rab: did they find them tucked away in old missile silos?
[12:30:35] <Rab> CaptHindsight, apparently tubes were very widely used in the USSR long after they were considered archaic in the west, including display devices.
[12:31:24] <archivist> more EMP proof
[12:31:26] <Rab> And nixies are pretty cool, having a much faster response time than competing technologies until LEDs came along.
[12:31:32] <Rab> archivist, aye
[12:32:18] <Rab> I think VFDs probably have phosphor persistance issues, and incandescent displays are very slow.
[12:32:39] <SpeedEvil> VFDs could be arbitrarily fast
[12:32:46] <SpeedEvil> tehre are some damn fast phosphors out tehre
[12:33:48] <Rab> Now, but maybe not in 40-50yo numeric display applications.
[12:34:14] <Rab> (Fair point since I used current tense)
[12:38:36] <skunkworks_> cradek, you should sell kits of your vector clock
[12:43:03] <CaptHindsight> the old Zenith factory tossed out and auctioned off some much of the equipment for tubes back in the 80's
[12:43:41] <CaptHindsight> some/so
[12:44:02] <CaptHindsight> back then you couldn't wait to get away from tubes
[12:45:24] <archivist> zeeshan|2, that counter seems rare I can read the model number in that picture
[12:46:40] <archivist> possibly mid 1960's
[12:47:52] <Rab> zeeshan|2, you should use it in a cool CNC application.
[12:48:21] <PetefromTn_> jeez man it never fails just when you get started Tig welding your bottle of shielding gas runs out LOL
[12:48:40] <archivist> should be in a counter museum
[12:49:57] * SpeedEvil has idly wondered about a welding cabinet with an airlock for work.
[12:51:08] <Deejay> hrhr
[12:51:20] <Deejay> oxygen bottles on the back and go welding in the cabinet :)
[12:51:51] * PetefromTn_ tries to remember how much the last full bottle set me back hehehe
[12:52:48] <SpeedEvil> Deejay: I was meaning a somewhat smaller 'glove box' type
[12:53:01] <Deejay> ah okay
[12:53:24] <SpeedEvil> Though a room filled with argon would be great for some visitors.
[12:53:25] <Deejay> but you need to get your workpiece inside
[12:53:34] <Deejay> without all the argon to vanish
[12:53:52] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: are welding gas vendors hard to find in your area that don't want to lock you into using their tanks only?
[12:53:57] <Deejay> 'enter at own risk' ;)
[12:54:07] * PetefromTn_ wonders how much of the room his back purge setup has filled with argon in the past LOL
[12:54:13] <SpeedEvil> Hence an airlock. Pump down to ~vacuum, purge with a small amount of argon, pump down again, and then introduce into chamber
[12:54:31] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight Honestly I AM locked into using their tanks for 5 years SIGH
[12:54:45] <CaptHindsight> I drive ~50 miles to get mine refilled in my tanks
[12:55:05] <PetefromTn_> I just gotta hit knoxvegas maybe about 15-20 minute drive
[12:55:30] <PetefromTn_> typically a full size tank lasts me awhile because I do a LOT more CNC milling than I ever do Tig welding
[12:55:43] <Deejay> hmm, vacuum is a good idea
[12:55:54] <Deejay> removes blubbles during welding ;)
[12:56:03] <PetefromTn_> but if I can get my Stainless technique down better I may be doing a LOT more of it here possibly.
[12:56:51] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: mine are the 330CF tanks
[12:57:50] <SpeedEvil> Deejay: Plus - skip the argon, and go e-beam
[12:58:21] <PetefromTn_> Honestly don't rememeber how big these are just the biggest one they typically use for Tig/mig welders.. about five and a half feet tall
[13:01:00] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: sounds like 300-330
[13:01:13] <CaptHindsight> ~1 foot in dia?
[13:01:58] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: whats a CO2/Argon refill cost you?
[13:20:49] <PetefromTn_> Sorry I was out in the shop machining some picatinny rails...
[13:20:58] <PetefromTn_> I THINK it was like $70 or so
[13:21:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah about a foot in diameter...
[13:21:29] <PetefromTn_> I use it to bend sheetmetal across all the time ;)
[13:21:44] <Deejay> hehe
[13:22:48] <PetefromTn_> Damn things are heavy tho getting it in the truck is a bitch LOL I need to build some sort of bottle loader but I never get to half of the ideas I NEED to make for the shop
[13:23:14] <ssi> I need to go fill my argon bottle and both my forklift tanks
[13:23:29] <PetefromTn_> I finally built a little torch holder for the table after having the thing fall off the table and crack the ceramic too many times.
[13:23:35] <ssi> the welding supply is right across the street from the airport but it's a hassle because they refuse to fill propane tanks unless you have a pickup truck or a trailer
[13:24:56] <PetefromTn_> do you use the argon mix or just straight argon?
[13:25:02] <jdh> I take o2 and He bottles in the back of my yukon
[13:25:05] <PetefromTn_> how much do you pay for a full bottle?
[13:25:05] <ssi> straight argon
[13:25:13] <ssi> I dunno it's been awhile
[13:25:21] <ssi> $45 maybe?
[13:25:32] <ssi> I have a 125cuft bottle and an 80
[13:25:37] <ssi> mostly only deal with the 125
[13:25:39] <PetefromTn_> DAMN I don't remember what I paid but I think it was a lot more than that..
[13:25:50] <ssi> I'll let you know next time I fill it :)
[13:25:57] <ssi> I know the propane tanks are like $35-40
[13:26:03] <PetefromTn_> Oh okay its a bit smaller bottle then...
[13:26:10] <ssi> 125 isn't a small bottle
[13:26:24] <PetefromTn_> I said SMALLER not SMALL ;)
[13:26:34] <ssi> smaller than what?
[13:26:39] <ssi> smaller than the big tanks they fill from :P
[13:27:05] <PetefromTn_> I dunno man I am not sure what size mine is but from what Capt just said it sounds like a 330
[13:27:27] <PetefromTn_> its just the standard large bottle you see on commercial sized Mig/Tig welders
[13:27:29] <jdh> 300/330 are about 5ft tall
[13:27:42] <PetefromTn_> yeah a little taller maybe
[13:27:50] <PetefromTn_> have not taken a tape to it ;)
[13:28:12] <PetefromTn_> I have seen a WIDER bottle that is slightly shorter before too
[13:28:22] <PetefromTn_> that must be a big one
[13:28:41] <PetefromTn_> its probably 4-6 inches larger in diameter
[13:28:45] <ssi> 330 weighs 150lb
[13:28:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah its a heavy bastard
[13:29:02] <ssi> http://www.conroeweldingsupply.com/files/cyl_sizes.jpg
[13:29:29] <ssi> the 80 is the size of a standard scuba tank, fwiw
[13:29:34] <jdh> I take r in my yukon. I took them in my VW once.
[13:29:37] <ssi> 122/125 is slightly taller, same diameter
[13:29:39] <jdh> 4
[13:29:53] <ssi> 250s and 330s are fatter but not much taller
[13:29:58] <ssi> and they weigh far more
[13:30:24] <PetefromTn_> just measured it, it is for sure the big one 330 it is 60" tall with the cap on as in that photo
[13:30:54] <ssi> well it should be less htan $100 to fill
[13:31:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah I THINK it was like $75.00 last time
[13:31:18] <jdh> http://www.artichoke.org/vw.jpg
[13:31:37] <ssi> jdh: looks like three 250s and a 330?
[13:31:52] <jdh> 2 of each
[13:32:01] <ssi> ah ok
[13:32:34] <jdh> they switch between 250 and 300 for ABO a lot
[13:32:52] <ssi> I need to get a big ABO bottle and a rig to fill my small bottle from
[13:32:52] <jdh> but they dont change the price
[13:32:56] <ssi> it doesn't last long enough
[13:33:34] <ssi> also I need to get a 125cuft nitrogen bottle and regulators for both high pressure for struts and low pressure for tires
[13:33:36] <jdh> I boost mine to 3600
[13:34:01] <ssi> hm I've always wondered about boost setups
[13:34:03] <ssi> how does that works
[13:34:58] <jdh> mine just does 30:1 with max 150 drive gas
[13:35:56] <jdh> but, it is a nice haskell and it is oxygen service
[13:36:25] <ssi> what do they cost?
[13:37:19] <jdh> new, $4k or so for o2
[13:38:01] <ssi> you're using it for scuba mixes?
[13:38:09] <jdh> yeah
[13:38:22] <ssi> I need it for actually ABO'ing :P
[13:38:34] <jdh> there is a baby haskel good for smallish abo bottles
[13:39:06] <jdh> ABO has better moisture spec than medical
[13:39:29] <ssi> I think nowadays pretty much all you can buy is ABO
[13:39:38] <ssi> if you ask for welders oxygen they fill it from ABO grade bottles
[13:40:09] <jdh> it all comes from the same tank here
[13:47:51] <PetefromTn_> Jeez nice and sunny ALL DAY LONG and right when I gotta go pickup my kids from school the nasty thunderstorms roll in LOL
[13:53:05] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/yGy9nXE.jpg Love this Weaver rail program it is pretty cool to hit go and have a sweet rail in about half an hour...
[13:58:08] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/y0rMZtb.jpg after some light brush finishing still needs some more deburring then black anodizing...
[14:00:26] <_methods> you doing the anodizing?
[14:01:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah I plan to only do farm it out for larger orders... These are a small run and each one goes to a different person never sold more than two to a single customer so the need for them to be absolutely consistent is not as great.
[14:01:42] <_methods> good deal
[14:02:03] <PetefromTn_> will probably be doing it this evening hopefully after dinner
[14:02:33] <_methods> aren't most rails hardcoat anodized though?
[14:03:23] <PetefromTn_> these are for precision air guns so recoil is negligible but I have never had any problems with them and I have sold a BUNCH of them all around the world.
[14:03:34] <PetefromTn_> So I doubt it is an issue if they are not
[14:03:39] <_methods> i have no idea
[14:03:43] <_methods> i was just wondering
[14:04:20] <PetefromTn_> honestly I have purchased lots of rails and rings over the years and none were terribly hard and most easily scratch LOL
[14:05:26] <PetefromTn_> that includes those designed for firearms use
[14:05:33] <PetefromTn_> Gotta go BBL
[14:47:03] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: hrmpf... ok, we are settling for using the wheelchair as lightly as possible. its only one day of london left anyway.. we will do mdme tussauds in the moring and the tower in the evening and then fly home on thursday. (hopefully mdme tussauds has cleared their lift problem by tomorrow morning or some 200 pounds in vip tickets go back to refun
[14:47:05] <Loetmichel> d
[14:47:17] <Loetmichel> :-(
[14:48:03] <cradek> can you rent one? a lot of people need short-term use of medical equipment like that
[14:48:17] <Loetmichel> all i would need would be a lathe, two slabs of aluminium and about 3 hrs of time... and this wheelchair would have new coaster hubs/rims
[14:48:39] <Loetmichel> cheap ebay wheelchar
[14:49:51] <Loetmichel> caster wheel hus and rims made of plastic, didnt withstand the london potholes today
[14:50:30] <Loetmichel> both rms anre bent sideways to the point that they rub on the caster turrets
[14:50:39] <Loetmichel> hubs
[14:50:42] <Loetmichel> rims
[14:50:49] <Loetmichel> are
[14:57:07] <Loetmichel> cradek: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15919&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- plastic of the rim didnt holdthe load and bent sideways
[14:57:53] <cradek> TWENTY - 20% off all orders! Cannot be combined. Ends 8/12/15
[14:57:54] <cradek> (enco)
[14:58:57] <cradek> the wheels are ok and the frame is bent?
[14:59:02] <Loetmichel> make som new rims and hubs out of aluminium for the 608zz bearings and pull the ruber over them... and have no more sorrow... but sadly i am about 800km from my lathe and some aluminium slabs :-(
[14:59:13] <Loetmichel> cradek: no, thre fre is straight
[14:59:38] <cradek> looks bent, under the weld
[14:59:42] <Loetmichel> the whels are bet to the point that the gray rubber rinds on the black "v" that rotates the casters
[15:00:01] <Loetmichel> thats a "manufactured bend"
[15:00:23] <cradek> oh I see
[15:00:28] <Loetmichel> to mahe the csters sit "upright"
[15:00:32] <Loetmichel> casters
[15:01:12] <cradek> looks like a little less plastic and a little more metal was needed, then
[15:01:32] <Loetmichel> we say n germany "your rim has an 8" hen the same happens to a bicycle weel
[15:02:42] <Loetmichel> cradek: yes, likely a bit more aluminium would have prevented taht
[15:03:54] <Loetmichel> can you imagine the people at the London eye when i dismantled the casters and took my trusty little micro torcht to it and bent them back into useful shape?
[15:04:42] <Loetmichel> <- whipped out his leatherman wave and the bunsen torch right in front of the london eye security ;)
[15:05:18] <Loetmichel> but: we got home without another accident
[15:05:36] <Loetmichel> (of grinding to a stop because the casters blocking)
[15:06:07] <Loetmichel> but i dont think they will survive another "backbending"
[15:06:31] <Loetmichel> and they are seriously bent again now back at the hotel
[15:14:34] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/VALENITE-VARI-SET-adjustable-boring-head-Holder-CAT-40-V40CT-BB2B-236-Modular-/111716910030?hash=item1a02d8c3ce What is missing here? I have never seen a boring head like that
[15:16:39] <XXCoder> certainly looks boring lol
[15:18:04] <PetefromTn_> Har de har har
[15:21:20] <Loetmichel> btw: the food here in the "grange tower hotel" is really up to englosh cooking fame standards :-(
[15:21:33] <PetefromTn_> LOL that bad?
[15:21:54] <PetefromTn_> I always hear London is Wonderful right up until you order food hehe
[15:24:21] <Loetmichel> 71 pounds for a steak with some chips and a calf piec with some polenta... and the calf was ordered medium rare and came well done/OVERDONE and my steak was ordered medium and came near raw and with some tendons in it.
[15:24:42] <Loetmichel> s/tendons cartilage
[15:24:45] <PetefromTn_> Ooh Tendons...BONUS!!
[16:43:27] <Deejay> gn8
[16:49:02] <PetefromTn_> Hehe My wife's SUV has been giving her sluggish starting problems lately....
[16:49:17] <PetefromTn_> So I tried to do some maintenance on the battery and checked the Alternator etc.
[16:50:00] <PetefromTn_> after putting some fresh battery acid in it and fully charging it unfortunatley it STILL would not start too well...
[16:50:24] <PetefromTn_> So I drove down to a local fellow who sells batteries for a great price I have used before many times
[16:50:56] <PetefromTn_> and while I was replacing the battery I FOUND MY TELESCOPING MAGNET I LOST EONS AGO LOL
[16:51:19] <PetefromTn_> It was UNDER the radiator shroud sticking to the underside of the top of the shroud
[16:51:46] <PetefromTn_> Unfortunately I already bought a newer nicer one but it was a nice bonus to take the sting out of having to buy another battery hehehe
[17:14:51] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/cey41cr dat routing
[17:20:32] <furrywolf> putting ACID in it? you should only ever add water unless you spilled acid.
[17:21:34] <PetefromTn_> I removed acid and replaced it with new acid hoping it would help... I got a big 5 gallon container of it from the Anodizing experience here I gotta do something with it ;)
[17:22:20] <furrywolf> lol
[17:22:25] <furrywolf> it won't help. :P
[17:22:32] <PetefromTn_> yup it didn't
[17:22:41] <PetefromTn_> but it's someone else's problem now ;)
[17:22:49] <PetefromTn_> got a core charge discount
[17:22:55] <PetefromTn_> with the brand new battery
[17:23:49] <furrywolf> you really shouldn't ever add acid... the acid concentration changes with the state of charge, and if you replace the acid with fresh acid, while part of the acid is bound to the plates, you end up with too much acid.
[17:24:04] <furrywolf> and, of course, during use you pretty much only loose water, so adding acid also would make you have too much acid.
[17:24:12] <furrywolf> either way you ruin the plates
[17:24:36] <PetefromTn_> where were you when I needed ya? hehe
[17:25:31] <furrywolf> now, if the battery is spilled, then you can add acid... but you'll need to then give it an overcharge and then adjust the specific gravity.
[17:26:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah I checked it with my Hydrometer left side bank was kinda kaput anyway
[17:28:09] <furrywolf> now, if you're bored and want to play with batteries, I need 60 gallons of electrolyte mixed up, and 40 cells drained, filled with water, agitated, drained, and refilled with said electrolyte. :P
[17:29:42] <PetefromTn_> Meh I'm good thanks
[17:30:46] <furrywolf> are you sure? the agitating is especially fun. you clamp your (gloved) hand over the top of the cell, turn it upside down, and shake...
[17:31:10] <PetefromTn_> yup sure ;)
[17:31:23] <zeeshan|2> yay
[17:31:25] <zeeshan|2> this job is done
[17:31:26] <zeeshan|2> finallyyyyyyyy
[17:31:35] <zeeshan|2> took a solid 12 hours
[17:31:55] <zeeshan|2> woulda taken prolly 4 on a mill-turn center
[17:32:03] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/battsinvan01.jpg that look like that. 40 of them. :P
[17:32:08] <furrywolf> s/that/they
[17:32:24] <PetefromTn_> what are they for?
[17:32:34] <zeeshan|2> holy cow
[17:32:36] <furrywolf> storing power? :P
[17:32:36] <zeeshan|2> thats a lot of batteries
[17:32:43] <furrywolf> solar system
[17:32:56] <PetefromTn_> nice
[17:33:09] <furrywolf> each one is 1.2V 300Ah, NiFe.
[17:34:23] <furrywolf> and keep your acid well away from them. they're alkaline. if you try adding acid, you end up with something kinda like a grade school volcano science project, except more explodey and face-removey.
[17:35:52] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/f5zVZTq.jpg
[17:35:59] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/IVut9dV.jpg
[17:36:09] * zeeshan|2 loves the mill
[17:36:32] <furrywolf> the local battery dealer is forbidden from handling them on the same truck he uses for lead-acid batteries, due to the acid-alkaline risk.
[17:37:07] <furrywolf> I hate UPS.
[17:37:09] <furrywolf> "Severe weather conditions have delayed delivery."
[17:37:16] <furrywolf> severe weather? you mean an abundance of sun?
[17:38:04] <furrywolf> every. single. shipment. it's always something.
[17:38:18] <zeeshan|2> lol
[17:38:22] <zeeshan|2> never happened to me
[17:39:48] <furrywolf> The image you are requesting does not exist or is no longer available.
[17:39:56] <zeeshan|2> really?
[17:39:57] <zeeshan|2> weird
[17:40:02] <furrywolf> http://i.imgur.com/IVut9dV.jpg
[17:40:08] <zeeshan|2> works for me?
[17:40:19] <jdh> private
[17:40:51] <zeeshan|2> hmmm
[17:41:15] <furrywolf> the first one works, but not the second.
[17:41:17] <furrywolf> spacers of some kind?
[17:41:34] <zeeshan|2> tapered hubs
[17:41:47] <furrywolf> that reminds me, I need to redrill the hubs on my subaru one of these days...
[17:41:48] <jdh> steel?
[17:41:56] <zeeshan|2> for a cp3 bosch diesel fuel injection pump
[17:42:05] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/HrR2Vgl.jpg
[17:42:06] <zeeshan|2> does this work
[17:42:14] <LatheBuilder2> YUP
[17:42:18] <furrywolf> yes
[17:42:21] <LatheBuilder2> yup, rather
[17:42:22] <zeeshan|2> not sure why the other one isnt working
[17:42:39] <LatheBuilder2> imgur says removed
[17:42:43] <zeeshan|2> the hard part about these was the taper bore
[17:42:47] <zeeshan|2> i shot some video of it, will edit later
[17:42:53] <zeeshan|2> jdh eys
[17:42:55] <zeeshan|2> *yes
[17:43:18] <jdh> why the seemingly odd bolt hole pattern?
[17:43:26] <furrywolf> if you're working on diesel parts, find me a way to get a subaru diesel engine cheaply. :P
[17:43:39] <zeeshan|2> 3 of the holes are on a bolt circle
[17:43:45] <zeeshan|2> the threaded holes are also on a bolt circle
[17:43:53] <zeeshan|2> with 2 instances missing
[17:44:03] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: i got this job randomly
[17:44:11] <furrywolf> one way of making sure it only goes on one way. :)
[17:44:12] <zeeshan|2> bid on it, got it
[17:44:13] <jdh> that woudl be the 'odd' part
[17:45:02] <furrywolf> my subaru's flywheel had 8 bolts... but they're something like 40 degrees apart, not 45, with a gap. only goes on one way.
[17:45:15] <zeeshan|2> same here for mitusbishi
[17:45:21] <zeeshan|2> ls is index
[17:45:25] <zeeshan|2> *indexed
[17:45:46] <furrywolf> while the engine I put it in has 8 evenly spaced holes in the crank. :P
[17:46:09] <furrywolf> had a local machine shop redrill the flywheel, since I didn't have my shoptask yet.
[17:46:32] <zeeshan|2> jdh: http://i.imgur.com/EdZHieH.jpg
[17:46:38] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/Zl0J1ot.jpg
[17:46:45] <furrywolf> he charged me $40. I gave him $50 anyway, since he did a beautiful job, and said he had to sharpen the endmill three times to get through the 1" thick subaru cast iron.
[17:46:47] <zeeshan|2> can you tell why its odd now =D
[17:47:38] <furrywolf> I'm surprised that's not a part you just call up summit/jeggs/etc and order.
[17:47:51] <zeeshan|2> hes doing a retrofit kit
[17:47:54] <zeeshan|2> for another car
[17:48:05] <furrywolf> ah
[17:48:35] <zeeshan|2> onto the next job
[17:48:36] <zeeshan|2> =/
[17:48:50] <jdh> did you make any money?
[17:49:03] <zeeshan|2> yes!!!!!!!
[17:49:47] <furrywolf> does the extra exclamation marks mean lots of money? :P
[17:49:59] <jdh> yeah, but it is canadian $$, so...
[17:50:14] <furrywolf> ah, yeah, you need a lot of canadian exclamation marks then.
[17:50:41] <zeeshan|2> i made 60 bux a part
[17:50:58] <zeeshan|2> im cheap
[17:51:06] <zeeshan|2> this same stuff he got quoted 100 bux a part
[17:51:08] <furrywolf> and it took 12 hours a part, so $5/hour? :P
[17:51:22] <zeeshan|2> no it took 12 hours for the entire job
[17:51:22] <zeeshan|2> silly
[17:51:24] <zeeshan|2> :P
[17:51:32] <zeeshan|2> cam/cad/machining
[17:51:34] <furrywolf> how many was the job? :P
[17:52:12] <jdh> materials?
[17:52:23] <zeeshan|2> 10 pieces
[17:52:26] <jdh> something fun to do anyway
[17:52:36] <zeeshan|2> material cost $25
[17:52:55] <zeeshan|2> (i already had scrap)
[17:53:01] <zeeshan|2> so not really a cost for me
[17:53:14] <furrywolf> I want a subaru EE20. :(
[17:53:53] <zeeshan|2> why
[17:54:18] <furrywolf> blah, yep, still $10k on ebay.
[17:54:33] <furrywolf> because I want to get 80 miles per gallon while having more horsepower and much more torque? :P
[17:55:37] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/JDM-2014-Subaru-EE20-Turbo-Diesel-6M-T-Front-Clip-Half-Cut-RHD-Conversion-/251985892957 hrmm, only $8k, they're getting cheaper!
[17:56:20] <furrywolf> 155hp, 280ftlbs, 65mpg city+highway.
[17:57:04] <malcom2073> furrywolf: But free shipping :P
[17:57:15] <zeeshan|2> what do you need that for
[17:57:16] <zeeshan|2> towing?!
[17:58:35] <furrywolf> ... are you, someone building a twin turbo car, complaining that other people like the horses and torques? :P
[17:59:19] <zeeshan|2> no
[17:59:24] <zeeshan|2> the torque on that is retardedly unbalanced
[17:59:32] <furrywolf> ... it is?
[17:59:37] <zeeshan|2> yes 155 hp
[17:59:41] <zeeshan|2> and 280ftlb
[17:59:42] <furrywolf> you can't have too much torque.
[17:59:58] * Tom_itx sends zeeshan|2 an invoice for his consultations
[18:00:20] * furrywolf sends Tom_itx one for the pullup resistor consultations. :P
[18:00:31] <Tom_itx> that's nothing new though
[18:00:48] <Tom_itx> i just wasn't sure about the onboard ones
[18:01:10] <furrywolf> it doesn't have any from my reading of the manual. it has termination resistors, which probably would work...
[18:01:26] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:01:55] <Tom_itx> i maybe could have taylored the resistor divider and made it work as well
[18:02:06] <furrywolf> zeeL I think you forgot the diesel bit. :)
[18:02:09] <furrywolf> zee:
[18:02:27] <zeeshan|2> o
[18:02:28] <furrywolf> no. you had a floating input. that is always bad.
[18:02:50] <Tom_itx> oh i suppose...
[18:03:57] <furrywolf> that engine bay looks pretty crowded. it'd be fun shoving all that into another vehicle.
[18:04:10] <Tom_itx> now to put it all back together and shoot a rigid tapping video
[18:04:37] <furrywolf> and two top radiator hoses? I haven't seen that in a long time...
[18:07:15] <furrywolf> I could make that fit, but it'd probably end up like zee's exhaust, needing oval pipes because there's not enough room for round pipes. heh.
[18:08:29] <furrywolf> I'm not sure though... the front of the engine is a lot further past the strut towers than the front of my engine, so either that tranny has the diff stubs a lot further back, or the engine is a lot longer.
[18:09:05] <furrywolf> since they fit under vw busses, it can't be TOO different...
[18:10:43] <furrywolf> I wonder if anyone's made a hybrid transmission of the 6-speed and the dual-range 4x4 yet? :P
[18:12:12] * furrywolf wouldn't mind having 12 speeds...
[18:28:02] <norias> hi
[19:03:33] <sector_0> hey guys
[19:03:57] <sector_0> what kind of hardware d I need in a linuxcnc setup?
[19:04:32] <sector_0> in other words, what is going to be between the computer and the steppers?
[19:08:01] <Tom_itx> are you using the parallel port or do you want a nicer setup?
[19:08:39] <Tom_itx> i'm using parport -> 7i90 -> 7i47S -> gecko drivers -> steppers
[19:08:56] <SpeedEvil> At a minimum, parallel port, and $3 or so boards to drive the steppers
[19:09:33] <Tom_itx> using the parallel port you will use software stepgen
[19:10:01] <Tom_itx> with mesa hardware it's done on the card and gets you higher steprates
[19:10:30] <sector_0> I don't have a parallel port
[19:10:41] <sector_0> and what's the mesa hardware?
[19:10:43] <Tom_itx> then a 5i25 is a buss solution
[19:11:00] <Tom_itx> or 6i25 for pcie
[19:12:08] <Tom_itx> he packages stepper 'kits' with what you need except the stepper drivers
[19:13:40] <sector_0> is the parallel port the best/standard option on linuxcnc?
[19:14:04] <Tom_itx> it's really the only direct pc interface afik
[19:14:16] <Tom_itx> if you're not using a 3rd party card
[19:15:05] <sector_0> Tom_itx, well there are a couple USB boards but they seem like more money than they're worth
[19:15:09] <Tom_itx> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&filter_name=7i78&product_id=216
[19:15:15] <Tom_itx> DO NOT USE USB!!!
[19:15:19] <SpeedEvil> sector_0: many motherboards have parallel ports on headers still
[19:15:28] <Tom_itx> you will be permanently banned from this channel!!!
[19:15:56] <Tom_itx> yeah you can find cheap MB with parports
[19:16:45] <Tom_itx> USB doesn't do realtime
[19:16:59] <furrywolf> GRRRR. boats.net sent me someone else's order!
[19:17:13] <Tom_itx> you sure have problems with orders
[19:17:47] <Roguish> sector_0: USB is fraught with problems. primarily timing. just not a good option at all.
[19:18:09] <SpeedEvil> I suspect USB could be made to work in some circumstances with one device per root hub.
[19:18:11] <SpeedEvil> But...
[19:18:16] <SpeedEvil> It's just not a good idea
[19:18:30] <sector_0> well if I was ever considering USB you guys have properly convinced me
[19:19:14] <Tom_itx> that mesa kit would probably be your best bet
[19:19:44] <Tom_itx> or the same kit using a 6i25 pcie interface instead of pci
[19:20:13] <Tom_itx> same basic board just different buss size
[19:20:46] <Roguish> sector_0: try not to get too cheap. remember 'a poor man can only afford the very best'.............. you don't want to have to purchase stuff 2 or 3 times, or waste lots of time on 'junk'
[19:21:31] <sector_0> Roguish, it's like you read my mind
[19:21:44] <sector_0> I was just looking at this...
[19:21:44] <sector_0> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-axis-CNC-Breakout-Board-with-optical-coupler-For-Stepper-Motor-Driver-MACH3-/321565835927?hash=item4aded14297
[19:21:53] <Tom_itx> and you'd have pretty decent support here using that stuff
[19:21:56] <Roguish> sorry, didn't mean to get too personal.
[19:22:49] <Tom_itx> what sort of cnc are you making?
[19:24:05] <Tom_itx> those drivers are probably 2.5-3A and likely 24v max
[19:24:07] <sector_0> Tom_itx, I haven't decided it full use as yet but I want to do 3d printing first to get my feet wet and the fabrication community
[19:24:28] <sector_0> but I want my hardware to have a lot of room for upgrad
[19:24:34] <Tom_itx> you can get good drivers without having to get geckos
[19:25:01] <Tom_itx> alot of guys use those chinese ones
[19:25:23] <furrywolf> I ordered about twenty honda generator parts to use fixing my stack of honda generators. Instead I have a bunch of yamaha motor cycle parts - two oil seals, two dust seals, a headlight rim, and a rear spoke set. grrr....
[19:26:36] <Tom_itx> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/3d-printer/microstepping-driver-kl6050
[19:26:41] <Tom_itx> is one example
[19:27:28] <sector_0> oh ok
[19:27:43] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: you're having great luck with ordering recently.
[19:27:55] <sector_0> I want to get 5 axis CNC breakout board though, not those single axis ones
[19:28:26] <SpeedEvil> Single axis have the plus that you can swap out broken axes easily
[19:29:02] <Tom_itx> and generally have more current drive
[19:29:43] <Tom_itx> a higher supply voltage will allow for faster steprates
[19:30:06] <Tom_itx> using a chopper drive
[19:30:22] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: I have great luck with ordering always. as far as I can tell, the vast majority of businesses are incompetent, crooked, or both.
[19:31:00] <furrywolf> Last time I ordered from amazon, they sent me the wrong item too.
[19:37:17] <furrywolf> one of the many reasons I will no longer shop there.
[19:40:06] <PetefromTn_> Woohoo just scored about a $85.0 solid carbide GARR drill on ebay for $20.00!! WIN
[19:40:14] <furrywolf> email sent. I need those parts! 23 parts for my honda generators in that oder.
[19:40:35] <furrywolf> order
[19:41:33] <PetefromTn_> Also scored a .501 carbide tipped reamer and a .492 Solid Carbide drill for $34.00 from the same guy all brand new... Feels like Christmas! ;)
[19:44:03] <furrywolf> I'd call them, but apparantly they close at 4PM here.
[20:04:38] <furrywolf> meh. I'm annoyed. fixing generators was my plan for tonight.
[20:04:56] <PetefromTn_> and?
[20:06:00] <sector_0> Tom_itx, what do you think of this..
[20:06:03] <sector_0> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3A-Driver-Board-CNC-Router-Single-1-Axis-Controller-Stepper-Motor-Drivers-TB6560-/400589227394?hash=item5d44fa8582
[20:06:49] <sector_0> I'm only going to be doing very light milling
[20:07:53] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: and I can't use yamaha motorcycle parts to fix them.
[20:08:09] <PetefromTn_> I love Yamaha had quite a few
[20:08:46] <furrywolf> then you can have these, if they don't send a return shipping label for them.
[20:09:21] <PetefromTn_> these what?
[20:10:07] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> I ordered about twenty honda generator parts to use fixing my stack of honda generators. Instead I have a bunch of yamaha motor cycle parts - two oil seals, two dust seals, a headlight rim, and a rear spoke set. grrr....
[20:10:42] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[20:12:01] <furrywolf> that's twice in the last two weeks I've been sent a completely wrong order, from two completely unrelated businesses.
[20:12:37] <PetefromTn_> apparently the Knoxville Zoo has some Gorillas who just had babies....one is named Obi and the other is named Ubuntu LOL
[20:13:15] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf they probably felt the karma of your constant griping about everything and decided to pile on some more misery hehehe
[20:13:58] * furrywolf wouldn't have so much to complain about if everyone didn't keep fucking up!
[20:14:31] <toastydeath> anyone in here pretty good to excellent w/ libvirt
[20:15:08] <PetefromTn_> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/5168232057.html
[20:15:44] <furrywolf> toastydeath: I have no idea what it is, but I can pretend. :P
[20:16:09] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: that's a decent generator and price if you need one.
[20:17:11] <PetefromTn_> I DO need one but I am as usual tapped out right now LOL.... Besides it needs work and with my luck the part it needs would cost more than a new one
[20:17:50] <furrywolf> I'll sell you a honda inverter generator, but not for $200. :)
[20:20:23] <PetefromTn_> with as much as any decent thunderstorm seems to knock out the power around here I probably should have one heh
[20:23:42] <PetefromTn_> https://asheville.craigslist.org/tls/5149535588.html Wonder if I could talk my wife into letting me get this and keep it next to the couch in the family room ;)
[20:24:44] <furrywolf> for that price? no
[20:26:55] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/5163013489.html hrmm, is that useful?
[20:27:53] <furrywolf> looks hydraulically driven?
[20:28:12] <jdh> Pete: that lathe is in every CL on the east
[20:28:26] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah LOL
[20:28:35] <PetefromTn_> cute little thing I think
[20:28:56] <PetefromTn_> I would take that over about any Chinese mini lathe I think
[20:29:36] <furrywolf> that mill is very close to here. if it's useful, I might get it. I don't know how the hydraulics work though, since it also has handwheels. are they hydraulic motors? or does it have rams and handwheels somehow?
[20:29:38] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf looks a bit rough but if it has a working phase converter it is probably worth the asking price
[20:30:08] <PetefromTn_> you might be able to swap in screws if it is hydraulic after all
[20:30:26] <furrywolf> it still has handwheels sticking out...
[20:30:54] <PetefromTn_> indeed it does...
[20:31:22] <PetefromTn_> probably could just remove the hydraulic stuff if that is indeed what it is and fab up some motor mounts for CNC OR a power feed unit for manual ops
[20:32:01] <PetefromTn_> that ram/kneck part looks about ten times as rigid as a bridgeport LOL
[20:33:20] <PetefromTn_> https://chattanooga.craigslist.org/tls/5165349592.html this looks like a good deal
[20:33:52] <furrywolf> I probably should just wait until I can afford a needs-a-control VMC.
[20:34:33] <jdh> I'd go buy that if it were closer
[20:34:42] <PetefromTn_> which one?
[20:34:47] <jdh> the Tree
[20:34:56] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is a sweet little machine
[20:35:05] <jdh> fortunately it is far enough away.
[20:35:22] <PetefromTn_> I know right
[20:37:00] <tiwake> dododo
[20:37:04] <tiwake> cutting steel
[20:37:10] <tiwake> lots of steel
[20:41:16] <furrywolf> apparantly all those lines are automatic oiling and coolant, with the feed being some complex mechanical system, according to the manual I'm reading at least.
[20:44:05] <furrywolf> I probably should skip it and wait for something a lot more modern.
[20:45:29] <tiwake> shipped a bunch of other steel parts today too... had to get another guy to stand on the back of the forklift so I could move it to the back of the truck
[20:45:30] <furrywolf> I like how it's described as a light-duty machine. lol
[20:45:42] <furrywolf> osha says not to do that. :P
[20:48:56] <furrywolf> 50 to 1800 rpm from the speed control lever... not bad.
[20:52:22] <furrywolf> with 18 spindle speeds and two power feed speeds on each of three axis, it has ungodly many gears.
[20:52:56] <furrywolf> actually, 18 power feed rates, plus a separate fast feed.
[21:04:35] <zeeshan|2> anyone here machine stablized wood ?
[21:04:43] <zeeshan|2> http://woodstabilizer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/woodstabilizer-slider1-960x600.jpg
[21:04:44] <zeeshan|2> this kind of stuff
[21:04:58] <zeeshan|2> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7f/a6/68/7fa668f56848518ccca904d3e15b654a.jpg
[21:04:59] <furrywolf> it's really tempting... but I probably should skip it. :(
[21:05:37] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: what is stablized wood?
[21:06:09] <furrywolf> "The stabilizing process uses a vacuum to remove all the air from the wood, replacing it with a heat activated resin that in turn forms a polymer backbone in pieces that would otherwise be too fragile to use."
[21:06:25] <Jymmm> ah
[21:06:27] <furrywolf> so, I'd imagine it's a lot like machining resin, with a bit of wood. :P
[21:06:42] <zeeshan|2> im designing a casing for a customer
[21:06:47] <zeeshan|2> he wants 40 of them made otu of this material
[21:06:53] <zeeshan|2> itll be my first fully 3d surface type of job
[21:07:01] <zeeshan|2> im curious as to how it machines
[21:07:05] <zeeshan|2> and what kind of finish can be achieved
[21:07:10] <zeeshan|2> he will be sanding and polishing them after
[21:07:13] <zeeshan|2> but i wanna make his life easier
[21:07:16] <furrywolf> Stabilized blanks may still may contain voids or areas that are softer than others. This is normal, and, as with any natural wood for turning, you may need to fill voids or reinforce areas with CA glue. Stabilization does add some reinforcement, but the pieces are still essentially wood and may not turn and finish like plastic.
[21:07:45] <furrywolf> according to that, it doesn't machine as nicely as it could.
[21:08:05] <furrywolf> how big are these cases? it seems to be very, very expensive.
[21:08:36] <zeeshan|2> about 2"x5"x3"
[21:09:39] <furrywolf> the site I'm looking at doesn't have pieces that large, but extrapolating from what they do have, $150-ish a piece.
[21:10:33] <furrywolf> $100+ at least
[21:10:36] <zeeshan|2> he can get em for $50 a piece
[21:10:48] <furrywolf> 2.5x2.5x4 being $80... lol
[21:11:05] <zeeshan|2> he picks his own type of wood
[21:11:10] <zeeshan|2> and just gets the stablization process done
[21:11:21] <furrywolf> ok, so he's aware of the cost.
[21:11:36] <zeeshan|2> yea this is a pretty big project!
[21:11:37] <zeeshan|2> its interesting
[21:11:40] <zeeshan|2> cause ive never worked on this before
[21:11:56] <zeeshan|2> and he knows that too
[21:12:00] <zeeshan|2> so we're working well together :P
[21:12:02] <furrywolf> "Stabilized wood is also easier to get a good finish because the stabilizing process tends to fill some open pores and evens up the hardness of the wood."
[21:13:30] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/OWWvsp1.jpg?1
[21:13:34] <zeeshan|2> you can see the prototypes in here
[21:13:49] <furrywolf> "The moment the cutterhead (yes it is still sharp) touched the wood the entire blank exploded on me" lol
[21:13:51] <zeeshan|2> i was estimating size
[21:14:03] <zeeshan|2> where are you readsing that
[21:14:04] <zeeshan|2> lol
[21:14:06] <zeeshan|2> thats not good
[21:14:25] <furrywolf> ... what are those cases OF? lol
[21:14:34] <zeeshan|2> vaporizers
[21:14:43] <furrywolf> lol
[21:14:50] <zeeshan|2> he makes custom ones
[21:14:57] <furrywolf> tell him that you're against drug use.
[21:15:02] <zeeshan|2> its not drugs
[21:15:05] <zeeshan|2> its nictoine
[21:15:13] <zeeshan|2> i took the job cause its actually different!!
[21:15:18] <zeeshan|2> its a break from heavy machining steel
[21:15:22] <zeeshan|2> and trying to machine something new
[21:15:42] <furrywolf> a) nicotine is a drug. b) that's what they all say.
[21:16:12] <zeeshan|2> well you can get a sense from someone when you talk with them
[21:16:14] <zeeshan|2> hes not like that
[21:16:15] <furrywolf> along with "tobacco water pipes".
[21:16:36] <furrywolf> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/122262-face-milling-stabilized-wood.html says it face mills well
[21:16:46] <zeeshan|2> hmm
[21:16:49] <zeeshan|2> but i wish i could see a finish
[21:16:51] <zeeshan|2> of it
[21:17:21] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf if you get it for a steal maybe even less than asking I don't see how you could go wrong with it. Like I said you would get your money back just on the phase converter
[21:17:39] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: I don't have anywhere to put it or any way to move it.
[21:17:50] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A7b2v6Pe5Y
[21:18:30] <furrywolf> and I don't think it's worth CNCing...
[21:18:37] <zeeshan|2> why not?
[21:18:44] <PetefromTn_> put it in your subaru
[21:18:46] <zeeshan|2> wow
[21:18:49] <zeeshan|2> that looks butter to machine
[21:18:51] <zeeshan|2> good find
[21:19:00] <furrywolf> it has a very nice power feed system for manual milling...
[21:19:11] <furrywolf> zeeshan-lab: both plastic and wood are butter to machine, what did you expect? :)
[21:19:14] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: if you wanna move something
[21:19:17] <zeeshan|2> you wil lfind a way
[21:19:24] <zeeshan|2> i rented a damn truck to move my machine 500 miles !
[21:19:34] <zeeshan|2> its a great bonding experience
[21:19:39] <cradek> huh, HSS 1/8 at 3krpm in wood I wouldn't expect to last more than a few minutes
[21:19:53] <cradek> seems like you'd want 10x that rpm and carbide
[21:20:22] <zeeshan|2> why cradek
[21:20:23] <furrywolf> my pickup could hold it easily (at 3750lbs it's under the weight limit), but it's not roadworthy at the moment.
[21:20:28] <zeeshan|2> does hss edge dull out?
[21:20:55] <cradek> at slow surface speed, I understand the wood springs back right after cutting and then rubs
[21:21:00] <furrywolf> I note it seems to leave a really crappy edge depending on how you cut relative to the grain - probably needs a very sharp cutter and some hand finishing.
[21:21:06] <cradek> I'm no wood expert
[21:21:10] <zeeshan|2> what does that have to do with spindle speed though?
[21:21:11] <furrywolf> cradek: it's not really wood.
[21:21:15] <zeeshan|2> that sounds like feed issue
[21:21:26] <cradek> but wood is usually cut at amazingly fast surface speed for that reason
[21:21:40] <zeeshan|2> but that'll generate more heat??
[21:21:45] <furrywolf> it's "stabilized wood", which is wood impregnated with resin. it's more like a fiber reinforced plastic at that point.
[21:21:49] <cradek> no, probably less
[21:22:03] <cradek> oh ok, maybe that makes a big difference
[21:22:21] <furrywolf> someone here was complaining that if you pause linuxcnc in the middle of cutting wood on their big router, it catches the wood on fire. so wood springing into the cutter is probably an issue. heh.
[21:22:56] <cradek> heh yeah, don't do that
[21:22:57] <zeeshan|2> but thats just rubbing
[21:24:05] <furrywolf> why don't you ask him for a few scraps and do some quick tests?
[21:24:45] <PetefromTn_> I have inletted quite a few custom stock blanks made from resin impregnated laminated wood using metal milling machined and typical endmills. It cuts fine even at low RPM actually it is quite soft and while it still needs finishing the end result was surprisingly clean. It was not unusual to get some fraying at the tops of the cuts tho...
[21:25:54] <furrywolf> meh. I'm tempted, but I just don't think a manual mill that I have nowhere to put is what I should be buying right now.
[21:26:01] <furrywolf> I can't even finish my current machine.
[21:26:18] <PetefromTn_> I will be actually inletting the Field target stock blank I have here in sky blue laminate on the VMC at some point in the near future now that I have the scope mount machined and installed/working properly.
[21:30:29] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2f_EW2mzZU This is really cool
[21:32:30] <furrywolf> just looking at the first frame (nothing else loaded), looks like they're laid out with spring tension saved in them, and I'm guessing do some domino-like thing.
[21:33:45] <furrywolf> yep. someone seriously need a more-useful hobby. lol
[21:44:24] <furrywolf> so what's the dimensions of a popsicle stick, and what dimensional lumber would be equivalent? 2x8 8ft? now that might be entertaining. :P
[21:46:28] * furrywolf can just see a bored, disgruntled construction worker doing that to all the lumber at a job site one night, in a ring around whatever they were building, and waiting for someone to try taking it apart in the morning
[21:47:51] <PetefromTn_> I have never seen that before.. It looks cool how it kinda raises up like a cobra when it is exploding down the line.
[21:50:53] * furrywolf still thinks it would be much more amusing with lumber
[21:51:23] <SpeedEvil> railway sleepers
[21:51:46] <furrywolf> nah, they're too short to bend enough without cracking...
[21:51:53] <PetefromTn_> railroad ties LOL
[21:52:01] <SpeedEvil> I was just looking at some 4.8m ones
[21:52:01] <PetefromTn_> too bad it would not work
[21:52:19] <SpeedEvil> 16ft
[21:52:21] <furrywolf> 4.8m is a long sleeper.
[21:52:23] <SpeedEvil> yes
[21:52:38] <furrywolf> I think all the ones here are about 6-8ft... (2-<3m)
[21:53:06] <furrywolf> for large switches/points or something?
[22:04:05] <PetefromTn_> Well the good news is that my experimental attempt at droop compensating my off the shelf aftermarket scope mount seems to have worked very well. My scope's adjustment range is now well within where it needs to be where before I could barely get on paper with the rifle at shorter ranges....
[22:04:28] <PetefromTn_> The other good news is that this used rifle seems to be VERY accurate LOL
[22:10:46] <furrywolf> "OK! Let’s get going! Click over to Weed or No Weed right now. Zoom in. Pan around. Determine if there is weed – or if there is no weed. If you have found weed, click the green “Found the Weed!” button. If you find no weed, click the red “No Weed Here” button. If you’re not sure, click the gray button that indicates your uncertainty. Repeat as necessary."
[22:10:54] <furrywolf> the latest amusement from a local newspaper. LOL
[22:11:17] <furrywolf> they show you satellite photos of random parcels and see if you can spot the grows or not. lol
[22:12:47] <furrywolf> they're doing a study on what percentage of parcels have large outdoor grows
[22:12:59] <SpeedEvil> hah
[22:13:48] <furrywolf> http://lostcoastoutpost.com/weed-or-no-weed/ if you're really bored.
[22:14:59] <furrywolf> unfortunately, the images are of too low of resolution... they should have found some good aerial photos.
[22:17:51] <furrywolf> "Can you grow something besides weed in a light dep structure? Theoretically. But remember that we are in Humboldt County."
[22:35:40] <furrywolf> seems like about 1 in 15. LOL
[22:35:50] * furrywolf is now bored
[22:36:05] <furrywolf> this is a good one... several thousand plants. :P
[22:37:20] <furrywolf> ohh, hoarders! a singlewide with a mound of trash twice the size of the house next to it.
[22:38:25] <roycroft> a more useful game would be to find all the men wearing wifebeater shirts in humboldt county
[22:38:56] <furrywolf> why's that?
[22:41:11] <roycroft> because they're scarier potheads
[22:41:37] <roycroft> although i should imagine that a lot of the big pot grows are operated by guys who wear wifebeaters
[22:41:46] <furrywolf> don't see many growers in wifebeaters here. more like tweekers...
[22:42:08] <roycroft> as the grower population in humboldt county increases the number of hippies decreases
[22:42:48] <roycroft> and yeah, tweakers are more apt to be wearing wifebeaters
[22:43:02] <roycroft> but that underscores my point that it's more useful to identify guys in wifebeaters
[22:43:44] <furrywolf> they're hard to pick up on satellite imagery though.
[22:44:00] <furrywolf> unless you work for a major government, that is.
[22:44:19] <roycroft> i agree that it's a more difficult game
[22:44:37] <roycroft> but that does not make it less useful, if played skillfully
[22:44:49] * furrywolf is willing to bet the US government can easily pick up people from space.
[22:45:03] <roycroft> time to break out the drones
[22:45:13] <PetefromTn_> SEND IN THE DRONES!!
[22:45:50] <Tom_itx> would that be a crime if you found one spying on you and you decided to take it out?
[22:46:22] <PetefromTn_> I bet I could take one out with this Target air rifle ;
[22:46:25] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[22:46:47] <PetefromTn_> or at least make it hard to use that fancy spy camera hehehe
[22:46:54] <Valen> <- space scientist I believe the US and some of the other major powers can read a newspaper headline from space
[22:47:10] <Valen> the atmosphere is really the limiting factor
[22:47:30] <furrywolf> Tom_itx: that happened last week, or maybe two weeks ago. some guy shot one that was hovering over his property. not government, just some local idiots.
[22:47:36] <furrywolf> it'll be in courts soon.
[22:47:48] <roycroft> yes it would, tom_itx
[22:47:50] <roycroft> it's a federal crime
[22:47:53] <PetefromTn_> Considering we can take pictures of new plantes far beyond our solar system I would not be surprised at all.....
[22:48:02] <Tom_itx> that along with google could pinpoint the day of week and locale and pretty much have a copy to compare their picture from
[22:48:04] <roycroft> but it's also a crime for a drone to spy on you
[22:48:15] <furrywolf> the cops arrested him saying it was a crime, and he has no right to privacy. even though his evidence was that it was hovering over his properties to watch his daughters on his back deck.
[22:48:20] <Valen> PetefromTn_: mmmm sorta kinda take pictures PetefromTn_ there is lots of computer magic in there ;->
[22:48:29] <roycroft> he actually does have a right to privacy, furrywolf
[22:48:37] <roycroft> but he does not have a right to shoot down drones
[22:48:47] <Tom_itx> roycroft, i knew it was... just wondering about my rights to privacy as well
[22:49:02] <roycroft> the drone operator can be charged with invasion of privacy
[22:49:04] <PetefromTn_> thats the nice thing about air rifles...I could shoot it down and NOBODY would know it happened LOL
[22:49:07] <Tom_itx> so how do you defend your rights to privacy?
[22:49:18] <furrywolf> a right doesn't do you much good if you're not allowed to protect it.
[22:49:20] <roycroft> in court, tom_itx
[22:49:24] <Tom_itx> you'd have to find him
[22:49:28] <Valen> for picking up pot you want a multi spectral image, that's why they often grow pot in tomato fields, they have similar spectral responses so they hide from the planes that govt fly with multi spectral imagers on them looking for them ;->
[22:49:33] <Tom_itx> and if you wait for court the damage is already done
[22:49:39] <Tom_itx> he's got the info he wanted
[22:49:44] <roycroft> vigilante justice is not permitted in this country
[22:50:00] <Tom_itx> i thouht it was allowable in the south
[22:50:01] <Tom_itx> :D
[22:50:17] <roycroft> tolerated, sure
[22:50:51] <Valen> My only issue with the guy shooting it is where the bullets land
[22:50:58] <os1r1s> I'd love to build a drone tracking device. I have drones, but it would be a blast to build something to hunt them.
[22:51:07] <roycroft> if too much of this happens, then the proper remedy is to make the penalties more and more severe until people stop doing it
[22:51:22] <Valen> os1r1s: I think there's an ep of southpark about that ;->
[22:51:26] <roycroft> i'm not sure you can even shoot down your own drone legally
[22:51:29] <furrywolf> Valen: I think you don't understand the openness of pot growing here. you don't hide it in a tomato field. you build a acre-sized greenhouse. or plant it on your front lawn.
[22:51:39] <Valen> I take it its legal there?
[22:51:43] <os1r1s> Calling it a drone is a bit of a farce
[22:51:48] <furrywolf> no
[22:51:54] <roycroft> medical grows are legal
[22:52:05] <roycroft> but probably 20% of the grows in humboldt county are medical
[22:52:06] <furrywolf> it's also illegal to fail to come to a complete stop at a stop sign.
[22:52:16] <furrywolf> both laws are broken about equally often, with about the same amount of enforcement.
[22:52:17] <Tom_itx> supposedly legal.. it's still a federal crime
[22:52:23] <Valen> furrywolf: I imagine the police would still go after the acre sized greenhouse ;->
[22:52:27] <Tom_itx> it just gets overlooked
[22:52:39] <Tom_itx> at the state level
[22:52:49] <roycroft> valen: the police cannot enforce federal law
[22:52:52] <furrywolf> Valen: nah. they bust a few dozen of the largest ones a year so they look like they're doing something, and that's it.
[22:52:57] <CaptHindsight> Valen: did you decide on a composite mix and design for the new machine?
[22:53:04] <Valen> not yet
[22:53:09] <roycroft> if they do not know that the acre sized greenhouse grow is in violation of state law they can't do anything about it
[22:53:26] <Valen> found some nice docs about the machine design though
[22:53:58] <Valen> http://www.mech.utah.edu/~bamberg/research/PrinciplesOfRapidMachineDesign/Principles%20of%20Rapid%20Machine%20Design.pdf
[22:54:59] <Valen> vibration control and such like in a steel weldment + linear rail machine + 5 axis
[22:55:15] <Valen> lots of great modelling of the joins and everything
[22:55:44] <Valen> I'm going to use the same mechanism for mine to get the stiffness I want
[22:57:14] <furrywolf> it really does look like somewhere around 1 in 15 parcels over an acre have an obvious, visible-from-space grow on them.
[22:58:07] <furrywolf> and that's just the obvious ones... for every one that's visible, there's probably a few plants under a tree or something.
[22:58:08] <Valen> at least its more environmentally friendly than how they do it here inside a house with eleventy jiggawatts of HID lighting
[22:58:16] <furrywolf> they do that here too
[22:58:41] <furrywolf> and sometimes they do it in houses in the middle of nowhere and truck in eleventy jiggagallons of diesel for generators.
[22:58:54] <Valen> that just seems silly
[22:59:11] <furrywolf> indoor sells for a lot more, and it's not visible from space. :P
[22:59:29] <Valen> heh down in country australia where wifey used to live they had lots of problems with pot plants colonising the river towns drinking water came from
[22:59:41] <furrywolf> lol
[22:59:43] <Valen> heh down in country australia where wifey used to live they had lots of problems with pot plants colonising the river the towns drinking water came from
[22:59:49] <Valen> (missed a the)
[22:59:58] <PetefromTn_> valen that looks just like the CNCzone thread Tom posted recently
[23:00:07] <Valen> PetefromTn_: link?
[23:00:38] <Valen> some farmer called the police and said ey i think you guys should look at this, there were kilometers of the stuff going through a bunch of properties
[23:00:45] <PetefromTn_> I don't have one but the big steel A shaped frame had a bunch of CAD FEA analyses done to it..
[23:01:00] <PetefromTn_> at least I think it was Tom that posted it
[23:01:45] <PetefromTn_> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/vertical-mill-lathe-project-log/110305-cnc.html
[23:03:01] <PetefromTn_> I didn't read thru the whole thing but you can see photos that look very similar in there
[23:07:17] <furrywolf> found two more... my average might be heading towards 1 in 10 instead of 1 in 15.
[23:09:33] <Valen> http://www.senga-eng.com/pdf/Catalogue%20NMV5000%208000%20DCG%20J.pdf looks good
[23:09:41] <Valen> we were using some ideas like that
[23:10:42] <Valen> interesting that their spindle uses a conventional way not linear ways
[23:17:09] <PetefromTn_> damn that is some impressive machine carcass LOL
[23:18:31] <PetefromTn_> it actually kind of reminds me of the way the Mechmate CNC router design is setup with raised X rails and the Y carriage runs across them holding the Z which spans the wide gap between the Y carriage rails... It's a good design I think
[23:18:53] <Valen> I like it because it keeps the crap off the rails
[23:19:00] <PetefromTn_> exactly
[23:19:30] <PetefromTn_> and of course the mechmate does not have that glorious monstrous five axis dual rotary table tho hehe
[23:20:10] <norias> programmed a multi-slide lathe today
[23:20:11] <CaptHindsight> sure beats found plywood, threaded rods, hot melt and c-clamps
[23:20:13] <norias> good times
[23:20:33] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight LOL
[23:20:45] <PetefromTn_> norias nice man I would not know where to begin LOL
[23:21:03] <norias> kept it simple
[23:21:15] <norias> i'm excited to get to play them, though
[23:21:17] <furrywolf> I know where I'd begin....
[23:21:20] <furrywolf> the FM. :)
[23:21:24] <norias> could be a real good time
[23:21:44] <norias> there's these wait codes
[23:21:52] <norias> that i don't fully have a handle on yet
[23:21:57] <norias> to coordinate stuff
[23:22:22] <norias> supposedly the key to making them productive is having two tools machining the part at a time
[23:22:24] <PetefromTn_> what CAM are you using?
[23:22:39] <norias> FingersCAM
[23:22:41] <furrywolf> I think noriascam.
[23:23:18] <norias> none of the features are hard enough to justify CAM
[23:23:30] <norias> and the folks that did the training, etc
[23:23:47] <norias> pretty much say there isn't a CAM out there that can do the coordinating all the tools / axiis
[23:24:01] <norias> so folks just cam stuff as if it were a normal lathe
[23:24:04] <norias> then cut and paste
[23:24:10] <norias> and add in the wait codes, etc
[23:24:19] <PetefromTn_> ya know the only thing that is scary about that big ass 5 axis machine and a lot of the newer similar machines is that direct drive spindle... I am quite sure that thing is an extremely expensive part to have rebuilt most likely
[23:24:40] <norias> heh
[23:25:00] <norias> i didn't crash anything
[23:25:03] <furrywolf> I wonder how good of a spindle the motor in my washing machine would make? :)
[23:25:05] <norias> i had one moment of
[23:25:09] <CaptHindsight> when is a spindle rebuild <$100?
[23:25:15] <norias> "Holy fuck... naw, I planned it that way."
[23:25:28] <furrywolf> CaptHindsight: Sherline
[23:25:45] <Valen> heh 1200kg
[23:26:04] <PetefromTn_> I LOATHE having to eventually do the spindle rebuild on my machine and I can do it myself....just the bearings are way over a grand LOL
[23:26:15] <Valen> ouch
[23:26:24] <CaptHindsight> looks like overkill for milling wax patterns
[23:26:24] <Valen> we want to do air bearings
[23:26:26] <PetefromTn_> WAY ouch
[23:27:23] <PetefromTn_> are you going to try to machine your own or use something off the shelf?
[23:27:53] <norias> why is it listening to Slayer right before (or in) bed
[23:27:56] <norias> helps me sleep?
[23:27:59] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: i did ask him for a few scraps
[23:28:20] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: got pics of the finish?
[23:28:31] <zeeshan|2> and by typical do you mean hss for the end mills
[23:28:59] <PetefromTn_> norias I often do the same thing but not to slayer LOL...
[23:29:06] <PetefromTn_> what machine is it you are running?
[23:29:26] <furrywolf> Close your eyes, look deep in your soul, step outside yourself, and let your mind go... close your eyes, forget your name, step outside yourself, let your thoughts drain, as you go insane, go insane... (ok, I'm probably butchering those horribly, but my stereo is currently off)
[23:29:38] <norias> heh
[23:29:57] <norias> PetefromTn_: it's one of these Taiwanese machines
[23:29:59] <norias> linco
[23:30:02] <norias> er
[23:30:03] <norias> lico
[23:30:17] <PetefromTn_> how big is it? what HP?
[23:30:19] <norias> 4 slides, two turrets
[23:30:23] <norias> not sure the HP
[23:30:40] <PetefromTn_> sweet tho good luck with it.. where are you located?
[23:30:48] <norias> Pittsburgh, PA
[23:30:49] <furrywolf> my stereo has an excellent "11" setting, but I'll piss off the neighbors if I used it this time of night. especially with slayer.
[23:31:06] <norias> I took the job just to mess with those machines
[23:31:33] <furrywolf> living room is three pairs of speakers... 16" 5-way, 14" 6-way, and 12" 3-way... that's 28 drivers and a whole lot of cone area. :)
[23:31:39] <norias> furrywolf" listening to seasons in the abyss
[23:32:04] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 I don't have any pictures as I did it years ago but I used HSS and Carbide cutters of various flutes and designs I was honestly surprised at how well it machined and now would not inlet another stock any other way LOL
[23:32:42] * furrywolf thinks all stereos should have 16" woofers
[23:37:49] * furrywolf playes with norias's stereo, and queues up Disturbed - Ten Thousand Fists, Breakdown Valentine - Surrender, Iron Maiden - Dream of Mirrors, Life of Agony - Justified, and other music that's apparantly good for going to sleep by
[23:40:05] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: i need to 3d surface mill this
[23:40:17] <zeeshan|2> you think just buffing it on a buffing wheel will get rid of the marks
[23:40:21] <zeeshan|2> or will it need to be sanded down
[23:40:44] <zeeshan|2> will be using 1 thou step over probably
[23:40:47] <furrywolf> depends on how deep your marks are. :P
[23:40:58] <zeeshan|2> or 3 thou
[23:41:00] <zeeshan|2> not sure yet
[23:41:01] <PetefromTn_> probably will need some hand sanding work but it depends on your resolution...if you go nutz with stepover it might be marginal...
[23:41:19] <furrywolf> I've never had luck buffing plastic. make sure to practice on a scrap before trying an actual piece.
[23:42:03] <PetefromTn_> bottom line it is pretty easy to work with. It DOES wear cutters down after awhile apparently but the work I did with it never really noticed a problem that is just what I have heard from custom laminate stockmakers
[23:42:15] <furrywolf> you'll want to watch out for overheating when sanding or buffing, too
[23:43:01] <PetefromTn_> meh I have power sanded it a lot and never had a problem. Of course I am not sure the material I have here is identical to what he is using
[23:44:10] <CaptHindsight> progressively finer sand paper to #5000, the rubbing compound, then polishing compound
[23:44:54] <PetefromTn_> http://davegcustomstocks.com/hw97ftdominator2.jpg This is something like what I want to build for my HW77 rifle
[23:44:58] <furrywolf> heh, I fucked up the panels on one of my generators the other day... there was a bunch of sticker and glue residue on it, finally gave up on removing it gently and used a scotch brite pad... now it's matte plastic instead of shiny plastic.
[23:46:10] <PetefromTn_> http://s23.photobucket.com/user/jamdon/media/DSC_0067_zpsace16ab6.jpg.html This one's beech with a hydro dip
[23:47:06] <Valen> damn that is sexy looking
[23:47:11] <Jymmm> furrywolf: QUICK toss on some acetine... shiny plastic again =)
[23:47:17] <Jymmm> acetone*
[23:47:22] <CaptHindsight> that looks like a Katniss Evenrude gun
[23:47:40] <furrywolf> not likely to do anything, since it resists gasoline and brake cleaner...
[23:47:50] <furrywolf> and engine brite
[23:47:54] <Valen> are the little handle bits serving a purpose?
[23:48:08] <Valen> i mean other than looking neat
[23:48:15] <Jymmm> furrywolf: ah
[23:48:16] <PetefromTn_> what handle bits?
[23:48:25] <furrywolf> I do good work when I repair things, and part of that was degreasing a lot of the insides of the generators when working on them.
[23:48:36] <Jymmm> acetone or toulene (which I hate working with( usually do it
[23:48:37] <Valen> on the butt there is like a T shaped bit, same under the trigger
[23:48:53] <Valen> acetone in my experience turns any plastic it interacts with into goo
[23:49:18] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: how is that pattern applied? Is that a paint or?
[23:49:19] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah that buttplate is adjustable for length of pull, angle, height, and it also cants
[23:49:20] <Jymmm> Valen: Yep, take a little finesse to be shiny and not glob of goo =)
[23:49:44] <PetefromTn_> the foreend is adjustable for height to help with offhand and sitting shots
[23:49:45] <Jymmm> Valen: really fun stuff on EPS though =)
[23:49:59] <Jymmm> Valen: INSTANTLY melts it
[23:50:00] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:50:06] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight as far as I know that stock was sealed, painted that blue color, then hydrodipped
[23:50:57] <furrywolf> xylol does good work on eps too