#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-08-01

[00:07:52] <just_pink> someone know about optics emulator?
[00:16:38] <archivist> also see inside a laser line device for builders, some spin the led, some a single mirror, some use a bar lens
[00:17:27] <archivist> the one on a circular saw handle is an example of that
[00:19:13] <archivist> there are a couple in http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Vertical-Horizontal-Laser-Line-Projection-Square-Level-Right-90-degree-UK-/371320479000
[00:38:05] <Tecan> durronimo
[00:38:09] <Tecan> huhu
[00:42:06] <XXCoder> boom
[00:42:52] <Tecan> mooby ?
[00:43:04] <XXCoder> yooby
[00:43:48] <Tecan> ended up frying my pwm on the laser by dry firing it into the laser tube leads heh
[00:44:05] <Tecan> the ttl still works so might have to try that
[00:44:37] <Tecan> not sure if that makes any sense, but it happened
[00:45:04] <Tecan> thats what happens when you smoke weed and play with lasers lol
[00:45:22] <renesis> smoke it everyday
[00:46:30] <Tecan> yeah , had to have a quickie just now.
[00:48:00] <Tecan> been getting mega heart pains lately though
[02:12:09] <Deejay> moin
[06:23:44] <jthornton> morning
[07:44:19] <SpeedEvil> ni
[08:10:56] <Tom_itx> hey
[09:04:11] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Do you use a G540 with a mesa card?
[10:02:06] <JT-Shop> heh
[10:04:43] <tiwake> huh
[10:05:26] <tiwake> CUPS 2.1 RC1 "Added support for 3D printers (basic types only, no built-in filters) based on PWG white paper."
[10:08:32] <tiwake> http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/3d-printing/wd-apple-ipp3d-20150413-rev.pdf
[10:08:46] <tiwake> I believe thats the white paper referenced
[10:09:39] <SpeedEvil> I have an 3d apple printer.
[10:09:48] <SpeedEvil> Well, technically, tree.
[10:10:04] <tiwake> a tree apple 3D printer?
[10:10:11] <SpeedEvil> No, an apple tree.
[10:10:15] <SpeedEvil> It prints 3d apples.
[10:10:23] <tiwake> lol
[10:25:38] <Loetmichel> *buuuurp* 8 donuts for "lunch"... i'm full now ;)
[10:44:49] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: does this mean I can print out my TPS reports in 3D now!?
[10:45:14] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: I have no idea... lol
[10:45:58] <tiwake> CUPS for 3D printers does not seem like a good idea though
[10:47:16] <os1r1s> tiwake: Microsoft supports it, so this is an attempt to maintain equal functionality.
[10:50:17] <tiwake> os1r1s: supports "it"? do I need to redesign my 3D printer interface?
[10:50:52] <tiwake> I mean, some 3D printers the only way is to load the 3D model into it directly
[10:52:11] <furrywolf> my guess would be they're talking about printers that are based on inkjets and layers, where processing for them is similar to printing on paper, just you add another layer instead of feed another page... but that's just a guess.
[10:53:17] <tiwake> also, some only take dripped G-code
[10:53:34] * JT-Shop needs two things, a better place to mount the GoPro and to remember how to turn it on
[10:55:53] * furrywolf needs a lot of things
[10:56:56] <furrywolf> if only my life could be complete by just two things!
[11:04:05] <os1r1s> tiwake: The Microsoft one is intended for high end printers like dimensions.
[11:04:31] <os1r1s> tiwake: I'm not sure about the CUPS one.
[11:05:37] <os1r1s> Got the 5i25 activating the charge pump on the G540 and moving the axes back and forth. The e-stop however is not registering. Is there any reason the e-stop would be different plugged into the 5i25 vs direct to the parport?
[11:08:20] <tiwake> os1r1s: donno... for me I wouldent get anything other than some sort of laser based one
[12:11:45] <Tom_itx> os1r1s, no i use the 302v
[12:12:41] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Ahh, ok. I managed to get the charge pump working. Now on to the e-stop. I must be missing something simple. It doesn't appear to be registering changes at all.
[12:13:55] <Tom_itx> the G540 wires slightly different iirc
[12:14:08] <Tom_itx> don't own owe
[12:14:11] <Tom_itx> one
[12:14:39] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: You have an e-stop configured through a 5i25?
[12:14:50] <Tom_itx> thru a 7i90
[12:15:03] <furrywolf> Tom_itx: ever get your pendant figured out?
[12:15:05] <os1r1s> Can you share your hal code for the e-stop?
[12:15:12] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
[12:15:25] <Tom_itx> furrywolf, i haven't worked on it since
[12:15:28] <Tom_itx> not felt up to it
[12:16:03] <Tom_itx> i will get it
[12:16:29] <Tom_itx> i'm sure it's some silly configuration issue
[12:16:37] <furrywolf> heh
[12:16:39] <furrywolf> bbl
[12:16:50] <Tom_itx> i've been back and forth with cards a bit on it
[12:16:58] <Tom_itx> so i need to get it all back on one card
[12:19:28] <Tom_itx> os1r1s, it's probably not the best E-stop solution but it works ok for me
[12:24:03] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Are you controlling the sherline spindle with that oo?
[12:24:04] <os1r1s> too
[12:29:19] <Tom_itx> i am but i don't know if i've uploaded the very latest configs
[12:29:48] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: With the stock sherline index sensor?
[12:30:06] <Tom_itx> no i added a quad encoder for the spindle with an index on it
[12:30:29] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Ahh, ok. Can you publish the latest configs when you have a minute?
[12:30:52] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/spindle_enc2.jpg
[12:31:03] <Tom_itx> along with toothed belts instead of the Vee belts
[12:31:22] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/spindle_enc8.jpg
[12:31:32] <Tom_itx> that's after i trimmed the pulley down
[12:32:29] <Tom_itx> using a PID loop on the spindle too
[12:32:42] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Any particular reason you went with that direction rather than the standard optical one?
[12:33:13] <Tom_itx> i had several of them
[12:33:22] <os1r1s> Ahh, ok
[12:33:29] <Tom_itx> and they're good resolution
[12:33:57] <os1r1s> I'm going to get there after I get all the other stuff set up.
[12:35:22] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: did you figure out your random spikes
[12:36:29] <Tom_itx> os1r1s, just uploaded new files
[12:36:39] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, haven't looked at it yet
[12:36:49] <zeeshan|2> why not!
[12:36:55] <Tom_itx> not feeling up to it
[12:37:11] <Tom_itx> maybe today or tomorrow
[12:38:54] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Awesome. Thx
[12:56:03] <zeeshan|2> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODAwWDYwMA==/z/XGUAAOSwHnFVsqD2/$_35.JPG
[12:56:03] <zeeshan|2> haha
[12:56:08] <zeeshan|2> look at the size of these screw jacks
[12:56:10] <zeeshan|2> im buying em!
[12:56:15] <zeeshan|2> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODAwWDYwMA==/z/SqQAAOSwDNdVsqEI/$_35.JPG
[12:56:23] <zeeshan|2> will be useful in horizontal mill mode
[13:00:03] <archivist> but they dont have a V on the top :)
[13:00:23] <archivist> I need to make a nut for one of mine
[13:02:00] <archivist> those are thicker threads than mine....grrrr
[13:04:30] <os1r1s> Is there a trick to inverting the pins with the 5i25. I changed the GPIO to in_not, but it doesn't seem to work.
[13:05:57] <archivist> you can check in halmeter http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/halmeter.1.html
[13:08:21] <os1r1s> Its like its pulling it all the way down, but not all the way up
[13:08:48] <archivist> pull up needed?
[13:10:08] <os1r1s> archivist: I'll have to check the jumpers on the card.
[13:21:46] <os1r1s> archivist: So I have an e-stop switch which grounds pin 15 (GPIO 3) when I hit the button. So in the hal, do you think it should be inverted or normal?
[13:24:19] <archivist> PCW has recommendations for correct e stop sense
[13:25:29] <os1r1s> archivist: Do you know where I can find those?
[13:26:01] <archivist> in the logs for the channel, somewhere
[13:27:33] <Tom_itx> os1r1s, i'm doing a couple special things on the spindle code
[13:28:07] <Tom_itx> i add a delay component to delay switching the relays until they are no or low load to save the contacts
[13:28:15] <Tom_itx> it's only a few ms delay
[13:28:28] <Tom_itx> for fwd/rev
[13:29:14] <Tom_itx> and since i'm using the stock sherline control, i'm also using a SSR to enable it along with the fwd/rev relays
[13:29:30] <Tom_itx> a purpose built one wouldn't need all that
[13:30:49] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: I have an SSR to control it in one direction. And I have PWM to control the speed. How are you reversing it?
[13:30:55] <Tom_itx> the stock control has an 'inhibit' pin that resets the control so it goes thru it's ramp up routine on start
[13:31:11] <Tom_itx> i use a DPDT relay
[13:31:51] <Tom_itx> using the 7i47S for spindle PWM
[13:33:57] <archivist> os1r1s, he recommends a normally closed switch so a broken wire also creates an estop condition
[13:35:31] <os1r1s> archivist: This one is an NC switch
[13:35:46] <archivist> that is correct
[13:36:43] <archivist> and this was in some conversation 2015-07-31 21:57:29 | net estop-ext <= hm2_5i25.0.gpio.015.in
[13:37:26] <archivist> os1r1s, I am using my local database to trawl logs :)
[13:37:28] <os1r1s> archivist: Right. From our discussion yesterday. Then it became pin 003 since that is the GPIO pin. But its not working correctly.
[13:38:32] <archivist> that would have been? #linuxcnc | PCW | 2015-07-31 22:00:24 | net estop-ext <= hm2_5i25.0.gpio.003.in
[13:38:44] <os1r1s> archivist: Yep
[13:40:49] <archivist> I have not implemented estop on mine yet, got used to using the ESC key
[13:42:21] <os1r1s> archivist: Mine cuts the power to the motors, so I could use it without linuxcnc being aware. But I'd prefer it all to work
[13:42:33] <Tom_itx> net estop-loop iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in <= hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.7i84.0.0.input-13
[13:42:45] <Tom_itx> that can't be right...
[13:42:53] <Tom_itx> i'm not using the 7i84 right now
[13:43:26] <Tom_itx> looking at an old config here..
[13:44:24] <Tom_itx> net estop-loop iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in <= hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.032.in
[13:44:28] <Tom_itx> that's better
[13:44:54] <Tom_itx> define HOSTMOT2 and BOARD in your ini
[13:45:03] <Tom_itx> then if you make changes you make them in one place
[13:45:26] <Tom_itx> DRIVER=hm2_7i90
[13:45:26] <Tom_itx> BOARD=7i90
[13:46:00] <Tom_itx> [HOSTMOT2] section
[13:46:01] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: net estop-loop iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in <= hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.003.in
[13:46:08] <os1r1s> Thats what I'm using right now
[13:46:29] <archivist> and make sure you look for any errors
[13:46:54] <os1r1s> In the log, or dmesg, or both?
[13:47:21] <Tom_itx> bbl
[13:47:48] <Tom_itx> is it straight into the 5i25?
[13:47:51] <Tom_itx> if so it should work
[13:48:01] <Tom_itx> if not you may need -in-not
[13:48:55] <malcom2073> I hate moving machines
[13:49:01] <malcom2073> Even light ones
[13:49:06] <Tom_itx> .in-not
[13:50:18] <archivist> malcom2073, it is like chess, think first before a move
[13:50:35] <malcom2073> Yeah, but moving things alone is a very slow process, and it's hot out :P
[13:50:58] <malcom2073> I'm moving my lathe into place, it's only 1000lbs, but using an engine crane and moving it a few inches at a time heh
[13:51:22] <archivist> I generally use a jack and rollers
[13:51:42] <archivist> or levers
[13:51:49] <malcom2073> The table it's sitting on isn't really amicable to that, though I would prefer that
[13:52:03] <malcom2073> I need a good set of rollers, I have some furnature dollies I've been using and they're meh
[13:52:41] <archivist> I have lifted things one to wood to make a wood roller wood sandwich
[13:52:59] <archivist> scaffold pole
[13:53:11] <malcom2073> yeah
[13:54:03] <archivist> I tend to prefer working alone unless I really know the other persons abilities around weight
[13:54:24] <malcom2073> True, working alone at least ifsomething goes wrong it's your own fault not someone elses heh
[13:55:22] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Its weird
[13:55:54] <archivist> I split one machine to get a good centre of gravity and then an idiot walked in between, he was surprised when I shouted at him
[13:56:02] <malcom2073> heh
[13:56:16] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: With e-stop enabled if I flip machine power on, it clicks the relays on and then instantly turns off
[13:56:22] <malcom2073> I took the ram off my mill, I still have yet to figure out how to get it back on
[13:56:32] <malcom2073> But that'll be another day
[13:56:48] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: The pins in hal meter appear to do nothing. It always says true no matter what happens.
[14:02:48] <archivist> os1r1s, that is a sign of an electrical problem or looking at the wrong pin
[14:03:08] <os1r1s> archivist: The thing is, it worked fine connected directly to the parallel port
[14:03:28] <os1r1s> Which leads me to think the wrong pin ...
[14:03:45] <archivist> or no pull up
[14:04:30] <archivist> or pull down whichever is needed
[14:04:46] <os1r1s> The W4 jumper is set up which means it the pull-ups are enabled
[14:07:23] <os1r1s> I'm wondering if something funny is happening with the charge-pump
[14:08:09] <archivist> use a real multimeter/scope to check voltages on wires
[14:08:12] <os1r1s> archivist: In the old config the e-stop was tied to the chargepump.enable. But in this one I'm using stepping for the chargepump
[14:10:15] <pcw_home> looks like the estop switch should be a normally closed switch to ground (open for estop which is signaled as fault on pin 15)
[14:12:13] <os1r1s> pcw_home: The weird thing is, This was my config using the par port directly ... "net estop-ext <= parport.0.pin-15-in"
[14:13:32] <os1r1s> pcw_home: Shouldn't that translate to "et estop-loop iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in <= hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.003.in"
[14:13:43] <pcw_home> it should
[14:14:30] <os1r1s> pcw_home: I had this too because I was using the software charge pump ... net estop-out charge-pump.enable iocontrol.0.user-enable-out
[14:16:08] <os1r1s> pcw_home: Would the stock with a normal parallel port be to have them pulled up or down?
[14:16:20] <pcw_home> pulled up
[14:17:05] <os1r1s> Maybe I should try the software charge pump (or disable it) to see if thats what is interfering with it
[14:18:53] <pcw_home> It should not make any difference except that you cannot get out of faults state if the G540 chargepump is enabled and the signal is not there
[14:20:46] <pcw_home> so you are saying the you cannot see a change in GPIO3 ( via halmeter _NOT _show )
[14:20:48] <pcw_home> if the G540 fault state changes (as indicated by the red fault LED on the G540)
[14:21:07] <os1r1s> pcw_home: Correct, I don't see a change in GPIO03 no matter what I do
[14:21:30] <pcw_home> and the red fault light is changing?
[14:21:49] <pcw_home> and you are using halmeter to look at the pin
[14:21:55] <pcw_home> ?
[14:22:07] <os1r1s> pcw_home: I did not look at the fault light. I will check that next. I am using halmeter to look at the pin
[14:23:04] <os1r1s> pcw_home: If I watch the e-stop-loop pin, I can see it flip from true to false before it flips off
[14:26:00] <os1r1s> pcw_home: Do you think the parallel port cable could matter. It is the same cable that worked with the parport, but an older cable.
[14:26:03] <pcw_home> probably a bootstrap problem in the hal file with the chargepump enable
[14:26:19] <os1r1s> pcw_home: I dont' have chargepump enable on at all
[14:26:55] <pcw_home> the g540 has its chargepump logic disabled?
[14:27:13] <os1r1s> No. I'm using this ... http://pastebin.com/uQ50T4qr
[14:28:02] <pcw_home> In any case you should not expect GPIO3 to go low unless you have the red LED out on the G540
[14:28:03] <os1r1s> With the e-stop not set in hal (and that code), I can use the machine
[14:28:54] <pcw_home> Yeah looks like a boostrap issue
[14:31:19] <os1r1s> pcw_home: Here is my hal file ... http://pastebin.com/ALWTD3Eh
[14:32:48] <pcw_home> because the G540 fault signal is the "OR" of Estop in and the running state of the drives
[14:32:49] <pcw_home> I suspect you must enable the chargepump with something other than axis.0.amp-enable-out
[14:33:21] <pcw_home> or you will never be able to get out of ESTOP
[14:33:51] <os1r1s> pcw_home: If I invert the logic, that is exactly what happens
[14:34:07] <pcw_home> inverting the logic is wrong
[14:35:17] <pcw_home> the polarity is correct (FAULT is active high as is etop in ) but theres a bootstrap issue with the chargepump
[14:35:56] <os1r1s> pcw_home: Ok. So how would I enable it without the axis.0.amp-enable-out?
[14:36:32] <pcw_home> because the fault input is not just Estop, its also "no chargepump"
[14:37:15] <os1r1s> And this still makes sense when the machine will move without the e-stop enabled in the hal?
[14:37:47] <pcw_home> yes
[14:37:48] <pcw_home> man motion
[14:38:32] <os1r1s> pcw_home: Reviewing now. Do you have suggestions on what else I might tie it to?
[14:39:03] <pcw_home> simple but not ideal thing would be to wire the chargepump enable to machine on
[14:39:08] <pcw_home> bbl
[14:39:32] <os1r1s> pcw_home: Ok
[15:53:05] <os1r1s> So inverting the pin and wiring the chargepump to machine-on made it work properly
[16:02:01] <furrywolf> didn't get much at yard sales today. started raining. got a bag of assorted sockets (s+k and snap-on) for $2.
[16:16:10] <furrywolf> the rain will get the ash out of the air, at least... my red car was pretty white this morning. except now it's caked on ash+rain mud.
[16:17:27] <SpeedEvil> Ash?
[16:17:39] <SpeedEvil> Volcanic or fire?
[16:17:45] <furrywolf> fire
[16:18:14] <furrywolf> at last count there were 44 fires started last week by lightning... and that's just the ones they'd located and started fighting.
[16:19:03] <furrywolf> a friend had to evacuate his place thursday... said the fire is still a mile from it, but the road was about to be burnt and they were suggesting everyone get out while they could.
[16:21:30] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfPyTPa4FSw there's video of one of the ones in the area. not the one nearest my friend's place, but same general area.
[16:22:19] <malcom2073> Person who took the video should be shot
[16:22:34] <malcom2073> But yeah that's crazy
[16:23:31] <furrywolf> http://lostcoastoutpost.com/media/uploads/post/13632/11830271_10153520493263276_1223846631_n.jpg they look like that from the air. (another, different local fire)
[16:25:43] <SpeedEvil> Fun.
[16:27:04] <furrywolf> why should the person taking the video be shoot? seems to be a passenger, not the driver...
[16:27:10] <furrywolf> s/shoot/shot
[16:27:58] <SpeedEvil> I think the comment was on the vertical orientation
[16:28:51] <furrywolf> heh
[16:29:01] <furrywolf> cell phone probably
[16:29:14] <malcom2073> Probably, people just don't know how to use their phones
[16:37:28] <ThisSucks> My ESAB plasma supply is strange. The selection to make the trigger input latching affects both the hand torch interface & the CNC interface. Is this common amongst different brands?
[16:51:05] <furrywolf> my plasma supply doesn't have selections, unless you count the high/low switch on the front, its only user interface...
[16:56:20] <ThisSucks> Same here...on mine the toggle switch affects both inputs. Having a latching input on the CNC interface is annoying.
[16:57:18] <ThisSucks> Makes for some interesting cutting when I forget to toggle it.
[16:58:18] <furrywolf> is it a mechanical switch?
[16:58:26] <ThisSucks> yes
[16:58:27] <furrywolf> that is, could you replace it with a relay?
[16:59:01] <furrywolf> should be easy enough then to rig up a relay such that the cnc interface turns it off...
[16:59:52] <ThisSucks> Right. Does your machine do the same?
[17:01:09] <furrywolf> as I said, the only control on mine is a high/low switch. :)
[17:01:58] * furrywolf has an old, no-brains-included transformer plasma cutter. the only control is a high/low tap switch.
[17:03:02] <ThisSucks> Apologies,I missed that bit.
[17:13:03] <furrywolf> fun. latest count is 131 separate fires.
[17:13:41] <Deejay> gn8
[17:14:43] <SpeedEvil> On the plus side - enormous electricity savings due to being able to turn off the streetlights due to the skyglow
[17:15:06] <furrywolf> a) there's no streetlights in any of these areas, b) the power is out to a lot of them anyway. :)
[17:18:58] <SpeedEvil> http://modis.gsfc.nasa.gov//gallery/individual.php?db_date=2015-07-30
[19:22:35] <tjtr33> JT-Shop, i have same w gopro. too damn small
[19:22:36] <tjtr33> & u can never hold it in a pinch between 2 fingers, cuz that always straddles 2 buttons!
[19:23:16] <tjtr33> hint, get hugin and pandora ( for gimp )
[20:01:36] <furrywolf> yay, put together the eu6500is. it runs better than the first one I did.
[20:01:51] <furrywolf> I don't know what's wrong with the first one. :(
[20:02:25] <malcom2073> Nice
[20:02:29] <malcom2073> first one doesn't run good?
[20:03:44] <furrywolf> the first one surges at light loads, and I can't find anything wrong.
[20:03:56] <furrywolf> cleaned carb, no change. adjusted valves, no change. new air filter and spark plug, no change.
[20:05:07] <furrywolf> googling found they are very prone to surging, but no relevant solutions.
[20:05:30] <malcom2073> huh
[20:05:35] <malcom2073> Weird
[20:06:00] <furrywolf> every other time I've had to fix a surging small engine, it was a dirty carb or misadjusted valves.
[20:06:02] <malcom2073> osccilation in the spring tension of the idle circut?
[20:06:10] <furrywolf> it doesn't work that way. :)
[20:06:17] <furrywolf> it's drive-by-wire.
[20:06:26] <furrywolf> (or whatever the similar appropriate term for a generator is)
[20:06:53] <malcom2073> Heh
[20:06:55] <furrywolf> it's a carb, like other small engine carbs, but with two small steppers bolted to it, directly working the throttle and choke.
[20:06:58] <malcom2073> ok, then oscillation in the control software? :P
[20:07:10] <furrywolf> it has no mechanical governor
[20:07:17] <furrywolf> I'm pretty sure it is, indeed, lean.
[20:07:35] <malcom2073> Maybe just wear of the motor messes with the fine tuning of it
[20:08:16] <furrywolf> the throttle position is controlled by the inverter based on demand, while choke and spark are controlled by the engine/generator control unit.
[20:08:44] <furrywolf> to prevent a failure from overrevving the engine, since it has no mechanical governor, the ECU will kill spark if it detects excessive rpms.
[20:09:46] <malcom2073> makes sense
[20:10:15] <malcom2073> Replace the throttle controller with a linuxcnc controlled pid loop
[20:10:31] <furrywolf> I already replaced the inverter with a $560 new inverter. :P
[20:11:48] <malcom2073> Yowch
[20:12:23] <furrywolf> eh, I bought the generators for about $10 each...
[20:12:24] <furrywolf> I'll still make a good profit.
[20:12:28] <furrywolf> I bought a lot of 17 broken honda inverter generators.
[20:12:39] <malcom2073> True
[20:12:40] <malcom2073> Haha
[20:12:44] <malcom2073> Yeah I remember, lucky bastard
[20:12:45] <malcom2073> :P
[20:12:46] <furrywolf> so far I have 7 working
[20:12:50] <malcom2073> Nice
[20:12:59] <furrywolf> I figure I can get $1800ish for the 6500s.
[20:13:04] <malcom2073> Nice
[20:13:14] <furrywolf> which will pay for lots of shiny cnc parts. :)
[20:13:18] <malcom2073> woot woot
[20:13:30] <furrywolf> and if pcw ever makes more 7i76es, I'll have money for him! heh
[20:14:02] <malcom2073> When's the 7i77e coming?
[20:15:08] <furrywolf> what I found googling was that they're very, very picky about having all baffles, covers, gaskets, etc in place. I think that, to comply with california's emissions crap, they had to tune the carb so it's just barely on the edge of lean, with all the covers and gaskets perfect. if anything lets a little extra air in, it goes lean.
[20:15:25] <furrywolf> I think they're all fine on the first one, but having an issue there seems the most likely problem...
[20:16:28] <malcom2073> Hmm
[20:16:37] <furrywolf> it definitely ran a little better when I duct-taped some of the vents on the battery door
[20:16:40] <malcom2073> Yeah just something small, like a tiny crack in a gasket or something
[20:16:42] <malcom2073> heh
[20:17:10] <furrywolf> if you pull the battery door off, both generators DIE. I tested it on the one I just put together to see if it did the same thing as the first one.
[20:17:24] <furrywolf> the battery access door is a vital component of their operation, apparantly.
[20:17:48] <malcom2073> Haha
[20:17:49] <malcom2073> nice
[20:17:56] <malcom2073> die intentionally (kill switch) or just happens to?
[20:18:11] <furrywolf> goes so lean it backfires and stalls
[20:18:24] <furrywolf> after surging idle-WOT a few times.
[20:18:46] <malcom2073> wow
[20:19:59] <furrywolf> unfortunately, I only have one battery door, so I have to move it between them when testing. heh.
[20:21:25] <furrywolf> hrmm, the first one is missing the spark plug cover. it's internal, and I think on the other side of the baffles from the intake air, but...
[20:22:10] <furrywolf> I also have an EM7000is, but I don't know if it's worth fixing. it has >9k hours, a bad inverter, and multiple other problems.
[20:22:31] <malcom2073> lol
[20:22:55] <malcom2073> I've been eyeing up some surplus military generators
[20:23:01] <furrywolf> it randomly declares low oil even if the oil level is good, and it's not acting like a bad switch.
[20:23:07] <furrywolf> more like electrical issues.
[20:23:09] <malcom2073> hmmm odd
[20:23:29] <furrywolf> I haven't heard it run yet due to this.
[20:23:58] <malcom2073> ah yeah they shut off with the low oil light
[20:24:00] <malcom2073> I remember that
[20:24:34] <furrywolf> well, on this one, it says OIL in flashing letters on the LCD display.
[20:24:54] <malcom2073> Fancy
[20:26:15] <furrywolf> the oil switch goes straight to the generator/engine control unit, which also works the LCD. :)
[20:27:17] <malcom2073> Heh
[20:28:41] <furrywolf> LOL. apparantly the little clips that hold the air box together are the same ones that hold the hvac unit on a honda civic together.
[20:29:33] <furrywolf> https://www.google.com/search?biw=1024&bih=654&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=%2290659-692-000%22&oq=%2290659-692-000%22&gs_l=img.3...34502.36387.0.36586.
[20:30:11] <malcom2073> haha
[20:30:34] <furrywolf> I need four of them, and they're $5 each. I was searching to see if I could find them cheaper, and the same part number, and picture, is used for the honda hvac units...
[20:30:43] <furrywolf> which means I can get them from the wrecker for $0!
[20:31:22] <furrywolf> because there is NO fucking way I'm spending $5/each for a tiny bit of bent spring steel.
[20:32:43] <furrywolf> that pricing falls under "offensive".
[20:33:02] <malcom2073> Haha
[20:33:06] <malcom2073> That's stupid
[20:33:13] <malcom2073> But kinda expected
[20:34:10] <furrywolf> I'll make them off bits of broken fishtape before I buy them at that price. heh.
[20:37:04] <malcom2073> Like you said, wreaker.
[20:37:21] <zeeshan|2> whats a way to describe people who modify their cars
[20:37:26] <zeeshan|2> "automotive enthusiasts?"
[20:38:06] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Sure
[20:38:15] <malcom2073> Also gearheads
[20:38:17] <zeeshan|2> haha
[20:38:22] <furrywolf> there's a wide variety of people who modify their cars.
[20:38:31] <malcom2073> Typically used to describe people who like to modify muscle cars though
[20:38:41] <zeeshan|2> im trying to say more like
[20:38:42] <malcom2073> tuners if they like to modify foriegn cars
[20:38:48] <zeeshan|2> people who modify their cars to be faster
[20:38:48] <zeeshan|2> etc
[20:38:50] <CaptHindsight> nah this is IRC, car hackers :)
[20:38:58] <furrywolf> "rednecks", "wheelers", "ricers", "tuners", "tweekers", "car thieves"... :P
[20:39:05] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Actually faster, or Fast and Furious faster?
[20:39:24] <zeeshan|2> haha MacGyverX
[20:39:26] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: !
[20:39:40] <malcom2073> Tuners or gearheads are the two terms I hear a lot
[20:39:43] <furrywolf> and a whole bunch of racial slurs, especially for the people who put 22" rims on an escalade.
[20:39:47] <malcom2073> Depending on the car type
[20:39:51] <SpeedEvil> 'the deceased'
[20:40:16] <CaptHindsight> it used to be called a "hobby"
[20:41:02] <malcom2073> It also used to not involve computers
[20:41:51] <CaptHindsight> they weren't labeled by their hobby, they just had a hobby
[20:42:07] <furrywolf> "petrolhead", "kustomizer", "chav" (if you see a mexican driving a lowered lincoln...), umm....
[20:45:06] <zeeshan|2> ill use a generic term :P
[20:45:30] <malcom2073> Automotive performance enthusiest
[20:46:06] <furrywolf> the first two of those are pretty generic. :P
[20:46:16] <furrywolf> although I only hear petrolhead in british stuff.
[20:46:37] <furrywolf> and kustomizing is a whole separate subculture...
[20:46:52] <andypugh> I thought we were the only ones with chavs too
[20:47:03] <malcom2073> I'd never heard the term chav
[20:47:45] <furrywolf> malcom2073: chavs are those people who backwards baseball caps, baggy pants, and lowered cars that scrape on every speedbump or driveway.
[20:47:45] <SpeedEvil> It's UK
[20:48:20] <furrywolf> and annoyingly loud stereos, usually blaring the stupidest of the stupid of rap music, with the windows down, while they drive with one hand and the seat tilted all the way back so they can't see over the dashboard.
[20:48:37] <andypugh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav
[20:49:07] <malcom2073> hm
[20:49:23] <malcom2073> Yeah that brings an image to mind, we don't have that sort around here heh
[20:49:43] <furrywolf> Chav is used in the US too, although "wigger" is usually used instead.
[20:54:02] <furrywolf> there's a whole 'nother subculture here of pot growers with wigger-grade trucks... invariably dodge diesels with huge tires and "performance" chips that make them chuff black smoke continually.
[20:54:52] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: EXCellent
[20:54:56] <zeeshan|2> the perfroamce changes things.
[20:54:59] <malcom2073> Heh
[20:55:53] <malcom2073> Oh, I got better pictures of my lathe now: http://mikesshop.net/?p=458
[20:55:55] <malcom2073> second half of the post
[20:55:58] <malcom2073> first half is the southbend
[20:56:23] <furrywolf> I saw a nice unimat teeny tiny lathe at a yard sale today, but wasn't going to spend $350 on it.
[20:56:32] <zeeshan|2> im suprised wiki makes no mention of andypugh being a chav
[20:56:34] * zeeshan|2 hides
[20:56:58] <andypugh> I don’t have enough style to be a chav
[20:57:03] <malcom2073> Heh
[20:57:12] <zeeshan|2> you just nered to wear a big gold chain while riding your bike
[20:57:18] <malcom2073> furrywolf: We have the big smoky truck group here, we just call them hicks.
[20:57:22] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: wow you ricer
[20:57:31] <zeeshan|2> ORANGE or red handles!
[20:57:40] <malcom2073> Haha what?
[20:57:45] <zeeshan|2> on your lathe
[20:57:47] <zeeshan|2> nice lathe
[20:57:48] <zeeshan|2> btw
[20:58:02] <furrywolf> malcom2073: nah, they're not hicks. these are people with brand new (2014 or 2015 model) dodge diesel trucks with $10k of modifications.
[20:58:04] <zeeshan|2> is that belt cover factory?
[20:58:06] <malcom2073> Black handles
[20:58:08] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Ohhhh
[20:58:16] <zeeshan|2> what
[20:58:20] <zeeshan|2> they're orange on that website??
[20:58:21] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Why ricer though? <- Confused
[20:58:28] <malcom2073> Oh on the soutbend
[20:58:30] <zeeshan|2> see ricers will have a black car for example
[20:58:35] <andypugh> malcom2073: I see your SB has dual-unit handwheels. Do they turn together or does one move ever so slighly more slowly?
[20:58:35] <malcom2073> yeah, ignore the southbend, I'm selling that.
[20:58:36] <zeeshan|2> and they'll put white door handles
[20:58:38] <zeeshan|2> or yellow handlkes
[20:58:38] <zeeshan|2> lol
[20:58:44] <zeeshan|2> its called "accenting" the car
[20:58:45] <zeeshan|2> so lame :p
[20:58:46] <furrywolf> it's a thing you do when you sell your first hundred pounds of outdoor, I think.
[20:58:51] <zeeshan|2> i see it a lot on bikes
[20:59:07] <malcom2073> Lol
[20:59:12] <malcom2073> andypugh: I've never looked close enough to be sure
[20:59:19] <furrywolf> it's entirely possible this only exists here.
[20:59:24] <zeeshan|2> holy cow
[20:59:28] <zeeshan|2> thats a massive peg board in the back
[20:59:29] <zeeshan|2> i want
[20:59:32] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: I have a stack
[20:59:41] <malcom2073> I have about 100 1.5x3ft boards
[20:59:44] <malcom2073> yours if you pick them up
[20:59:48] <zeeshan|2> is your lathe a 12x36
[20:59:51] <andypugh> On my Holbrook there is internal gearing so that the mm scale moves fractionally differently. It’s a bit daft, to be honest.
[20:59:52] <zeeshan|2> cause it looks very similar to mine
[20:59:55] <furrywolf> we just call them "growmobiles".
[21:00:20] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: 37, It's a rebranded Grizzly G9249
[21:00:35] <zeeshan|2> sweet!
[21:00:41] <furrywolf> GAH! learn how to use THUMBNAILS!
[21:00:42] <malcom2073> andypugh: Nice, yeah I've not watched that close, I didn't use the southbend much before I came across the new one
[21:00:50] <malcom2073> Bwahaha
[21:00:51] <furrywolf> that page is never going to load.
[21:00:58] <malcom2073> Is it loading full sized thumbnails?
[21:00:59] <malcom2073> Lame plugin
[21:01:02] <malcom2073> I need a new gallery plugin
[21:01:12] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: furry has a 56k connection
[21:01:16] <zeeshan|2> hes unique
[21:01:19] <malcom2073> I have DSL, I know the pain
[21:01:35] <furrywolf> yes, they're the full-size image, just resized in the browser.
[21:01:43] <furrywolf> so trying to load that page actually loads every full-size image.
[21:01:47] <malcom2073> haha
[21:01:50] <zeeshan|2> lol
[21:01:58] <malcom2073> I'll put that on my list to fix
[21:01:59] <malcom2073> sorry :P
[21:03:12] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: FWIW, I bought the lathe like that
[21:03:24] <malcom2073> And no, that shield isn't stock
[21:03:43] <malcom2073> I have the stock shields, the guy replaced them with that for some unknown reason
[21:03:56] <zeeshan|2> looks nicely made
[21:03:58] <zeeshan|2> thats why i commented
[21:04:07] <zeeshan|2> (southbend)
[21:04:41] <malcom2073> It is, welded together and all, with a piano hinge
[21:07:37] <furrywolf> I guess I need to head to the local junkyard monday and ask about those clips... I've heard rumors they no longer let you wander around the yard unattended, due to insurance company bullshit, which means they'd have to charge a lot more.
[21:09:09] <malcom2073> lame
[21:10:05] <zeeshan|2> insurance aint it
[21:10:13] <zeeshan|2> its cause your skin color
[21:10:19] <zeeshan|2> they think you'll rob em
[21:11:52] <furrywolf> ?
[21:11:59] <zeeshan|2> ?
[21:12:06] <malcom2073> ?
[21:15:31] <andypugh> It’s a well known fact that all thieves have a skin colour. When did you see a transparent thief? Ah, wait….
[21:17:40] <furrywolf> it's a junkyard, not the police. :P
[21:18:54] <CaptHindsight> ricer and "rice rocket"
[21:20:33] <CaptHindsight> negative references to asian sportbikes and cars
[21:20:56] <ThisSucks> Around here a "tweeker" is a meth addict. Never heard it used to describe a motorhead.
[21:22:16] <furrywolf> ThisSucks: I wasn't using it to describe a motorhead.
[21:22:37] <furrywolf> much like "car thief", it was to give examples of people who might modify a car.
[21:23:09] <furrywolf> tweekers often modify their vehicles. sometimes by taking them apart into every single possibly dismantled component without ever putting anything back together. at 4am.
[21:23:43] <andypugh> Well, yes, but some of us don’t need to be on drugs to do that sort of thing.
[21:24:16] <furrywolf> there's a set of 6 clips for $10 on ebay with free shipping... probably should just get those. if the junkyard isn't letting you pull your own parts unsupervised, they'll charge that to watch me pull them...
[21:24:58] <furrywolf> andypugh: oh no, you need to be on drugs to do what tweekers do.
[21:25:21] <furrywolf> you've apparantly never seen anything truely tweeked on. :)
[21:26:10] <furrywolf> meth is a major issue around here
[21:27:55] <ThisSucks> Ours like to steal winches off Jeeps. Fast cash for 'em.
[21:29:02] <furrywolf> they usually steal from houses and from inside vehicles here
[21:29:17] <furrywolf> they love bicycles, as a BMX seems to be their standard transportation.
[21:29:18] <zeeshan|2> ThisSucks: how do you get fast cash for winchs
[21:29:25] <furrywolf> zeeshan-lab: pawn shop
[21:29:29] <zeeshan|2> gotta try it
[21:29:31] <zeeshan|2> jk
[21:29:41] <malcom2073> Heh, I was browsing a for sale facebook group recently... and learned something. Apparently there is a brand of BMX bike called Stolen
[21:29:49] <malcom2073> "Stolen BMX Bike" for sale is totally legit
[21:29:55] <furrywolf> lol
[21:31:06] <furrywolf> the police here call them GMOBs. Grown Men On Bikes.
[21:31:33] <furrywolf> or maybe it's On BMXes.
[21:32:22] <ThisSucks> latter likely. GMOB==Roadie to me.
[21:33:22] <furrywolf> https://www.facebook.com/pages/GMOB-Eureka-California/1391070357865854 LOL
[21:35:50] <furrywolf> bbl, back to poking at generators
[21:37:32] <andypugh> My friends tend to call bicycles “RCT”s
[21:37:49] <andypugh> Which stands for “Ridiculous Children’s Toy”
[21:38:13] <andypugh> Though, ironically, very many of them are now keen cyclists.
[21:38:36] <andypugh> Anyway, I have a fire-engine to repair tomorrow.
[21:38:39] <andypugh> Goodnight
[21:53:09] <PetefromTn_> Wow what a miserable trip I just took...
[21:57:35] <zeeshan|2> what happened
[21:58:22] <PetefromTn_> well my stepson just went to basic Training for the US navy
[21:58:45] <PetefromTn_> and my family and I decided to drive up to north Chicago where the ceremony was held
[21:59:16] <PetefromTn_> GOOD LORD that was a miserable trip... I have never seen such shitty roads and horrible traffic patterns in my entire life
[21:59:22] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[21:59:33] <PetefromTn_> according to GPS it was SUPPOSED to be about 9 hours or so
[21:59:47] <PetefromTn_> it took us almost 13 hours ONE WAY to get there
[22:00:09] <zeeshan|2> sounds like a mission!
[22:00:15] <zeeshan|2> was it at least a scenic drive?
[22:00:30] <PetefromTn_> My poor vehicle took some kinda beating on the roads and MASSIVE potholes all the way from Louisville to Chicago
[22:01:18] <PetefromTn_> the only thing I would be able to even come close to calling Scenic was the massive installment of HUGE windmills we saw somewhere between Indianapolis and Chicago
[22:02:01] <PetefromTn_> we drove into Chicago downtown after the ceremony to see the city and get some of their World Famous Thick Crust Pizza
[22:02:13] <PetefromTn_> that is one crazy city...
[22:02:26] <PetefromTn_> there seemed to be NO turning lane lights anywhere
[22:02:44] <PetefromTn_> so GOD FORBID you have to go left at a light you better pack a lunch
[22:03:19] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:03:55] <PetefromTn_> we left after we dropped him back off to report in at about 4:30 PM and did not get home until 6:15 this morning...
[22:04:12] <zeeshan|2> did you stop over somewhere?
[22:04:16] <zeeshan|2> or continuously drove
[22:04:29] <PetefromTn_> we just wanted to get back home so we drove thru
[22:05:01] <PetefromTn_> I swear my bed never felt so good as it did when I fell asleep this morning LOL
[22:05:06] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[22:05:29] <PetefromTn_> on the upside I am REALLY glad we went up to see the ceremony it was amazing
[22:05:39] <PetefromTn_> and the Pizza was pretty damn good too hehe
[22:06:28] <PetefromTn_> Chicago was really a cool city.....but I NEVER WANT TO GO BACK THERE AGAIN!
[22:10:43] <PetefromTn_> I think someone should get their ass kicked for the absolutely horrible roads and detours and traffic patterns in Louisville too....what a joke that place is.
[22:47:36] <furrywolf> progress! I'm fairly sure the problem with the first eu6500is is the missing cylinder head cowling.
[22:48:33] <furrywolf> the cooling fan is pressurizing the case without it. opening one of the side access panels lets the pressure out, and the surging stops.
[22:50:31] <furrywolf> it looks like just a cosmetic cover, but....
[22:52:52] <furrywolf> it's one of those problems where every time you open the access cover it starts working, and stops working again as soon as you shut it. :)
[23:00:48] <furrywolf> gah, the air is REALLY smokey.
[23:04:51] <furrywolf> I have one of those tabletop hepa filters somewhere... might be time to dig it out.
[23:11:51] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: glad to see you working again :P
[23:18:11] <furrywolf> if "working" is defined as "sitting on a stool doing easy things to generators"...
[23:18:46] <furrywolf> stool is needed because if I kneel I can't get back up without way too much work. heh.
[23:25:13] <furrywolf> $24 from boats.net for a complete cylinder shroud, spark plug cover, and all hardware and gaskets... I guess that's not too unreasonable...
[23:26:01] <furrywolf> and $11 for a new battery door