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[00:06:30] <zeeshan-mill> SUCCESS!!!!
[00:06:34] <zeeshan-mill> it tAPPED!!!!!!!
[00:10:03] <Tecan> sounds like progress
[00:43:40] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8Ed_ukQGcQ
[00:43:41] <zeeshan> =]
[03:12:42] <Deejay> moin
[04:38:15] <XXCoder> zeeshan-lab: way to go
[04:40:17] <XXCoder> archivist: remember the discussion about chucks for my grinder mill machine?
[04:50:12] <XXCoder> zeeshan-lab: geez what ipm is that at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWhrfoTLx7w
[05:24:47] <archivist> router chucks yes
[05:25:07] <XXCoder> yeah I bought router to work
[05:25:36] <XXCoder> er11 do fit but not very well, my coworker warned that tool would be able to be pushed to angle. not good with 27000 rpm lol
[05:25:48] <XXCoder> but funny thing the larger grinder chucks do fit
[05:25:59] <XXCoder> so that is bit of good news.
[05:26:28] <archivist> balance is rather important at that rpm
[05:26:40] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:26:47] <XXCoder> so er11 is definitely out
[05:27:58] <SpeedEvil> Have you considered replacing the router shaft?
[05:28:45] <XXCoder> is that possible? interesting
[05:28:49] <archivist> that will be part of the motor itself
[05:29:17] <XXCoder> honestly I would replace with spindle once I could make spindle holder that can hold 53 mm
[05:29:29] <XXCoder> but meanwhile I can have fun with grinder anyway
[05:29:43] <archivist> I have seen people hack motors in that way :)
[05:30:22] <SpeedEvil> archivist: yes, it's part of the motor
[05:30:23] <XXCoder> hmm though the thing that holds tool is called chuck
[05:30:34] <XXCoder> but I may be wrong?
[05:30:35] <archivist> one put the gusts of an outrunner bldc on a parallel shaft er chuck
[05:30:40] <archivist> guts
[05:30:46] <XXCoder> oh yeah collet!
[05:31:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ER11-8MM-STRAIGHT-SHANK-COLLET-CHUCK-CNC-MILLING-LATHE-TOOL-WORKHOLDING-D66-/151515712309?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item23470a4b35
[05:31:27] <SpeedEvil> there are lots of 8mm brushless motors that you can replace the shaft on
[05:31:31] <XXCoder> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f25/17292d1258727479-ot-die-grinder-collets-draper-6mm-air-die-grinder-collet-38147-20556-air-die-grinder-kit.jpg
[05:31:38] <XXCoder> this type fit on my grinder!
[05:31:57] <XXCoder> nut even fit that front smaller diameter snugly even
[05:31:59] <SpeedEvil> And by replace the shaft, I mean make a new shaft, with an ER11 on the end
[05:32:19] <archivist> http://www.raynerd.co.uk/?p=1562
[05:33:17] <archivist> get the right size chuck and its a press operation
[05:34:18] <XXCoder> nice
[05:34:35] <XXCoder> would be even nicer if body diameter is 43 mm lol
[05:35:28] <archivist> there are a few homebrew spindles designs out there
http://www.dieselrc.com/projects/cncspindle/
[05:35:55] <SpeedEvil> http://www.hobbyking.co.uk/hobbyking/store/__51852__KB_44_65_Brushless_Inrunner_1520KV.html
[05:36:13] <SpeedEvil> Does 44mm count?
[05:36:31] <XXCoder> good question lol
[05:36:38] <archivist> file it down to 43?
[05:36:40] <XXCoder> depends on what its slack size is
[05:37:29] <XXCoder> it dont say rpm range?
[05:38:18] <archivist> which of the two?
[05:38:23] <SpeedEvil> Tehy often don't
[05:38:30] <XXCoder> speed;s link
[05:38:32] <SpeedEvil> Take the KV number and multiply by volts
[05:38:46] <SpeedEvil> 1520*6*4.2
[05:38:57] <SpeedEvil> 38000
[05:39:07] <XXCoder> fas.
[05:39:09] <XXCoder> fast.
[05:39:23] <XXCoder> with some suitable geardown it'd be nice and powerful
[05:39:36] <XXCoder> good planetary gear system lol
[05:39:49] <SpeedEvil> yes - small diameter motors are generally fast for their power
[05:40:01] <archivist> gearing produces torque, adds no power
[05:40:34] <XXCoder> arch making own spindle wow nice
[05:40:36] <XXCoder> too bad no lathe
[05:40:43] <XXCoder> nor skills for it lol
[05:40:45] <SpeedEvil> http://www.hobbyking.co.uk/hobbyking/store/__24853__Turnigy_AquaStar_T20_3T_730KV_1280KV_Water_Cooled_Brushless_Motor.html oooh
[05:42:06] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fGrITuuTZtQ
[05:51:39] <SpeedEvil> nice
[05:51:51] <XXCoder> yeah.
[05:52:01] <XXCoder> there should be more 43mm spindles lol
[05:58:26] <archivist> the jet engine hobbyists have some nice balancing rigs
[05:58:46] <archivist> using piezo elements
[05:59:56] <archivist> http://www.technologie-entwicklung.de/Gasturbines/Balancing_Tool/balancing_tool.html
[06:01:02] <SpeedEvil> phone accels are just fine
[06:01:08] <SpeedEvil> they go up to responding at 200hz
[06:01:36] <archivist> lovely catch22 have to make the spindle to make the balancing tool to make the spindle
[06:01:54] <XXCoder> dremel milling alum. interesting
[06:04:06] <archivist> one I spotted at a model engineer exhibition
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=shaft+balancing
[06:12:11] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:13:56] <archivist> and one day I will scan a bit of BASIC I have that is for a balancing machine
[06:14:41] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=AN162
[06:15:17] <tiwake> I want a 200-300 horsepower jet engine to go in a car
[06:27:03] <XXCoder> I want Elio now.
[06:27:47] <SpeedEvil> tiwake:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/English-Electric-Canberra-WK127-RAF-Aircraft-Rolls-Royce-Avon-Mk1-Jet-Engine-/131452112034?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1e9b280ca2
[06:31:38] <tiwake> not functionl?
[06:32:28] <tiwake> fuel leak
[06:33:00] <tiwake> SpeedEvil: what is its power output rating?
[06:33:19] <andypugh> They don’t quite power for jest do they?
[06:34:30] <andypugh> Sorry, let me try again. They don’t quote power for jets. Only thrust.
[06:34:35] <SpeedEvil> tiwake: several thousand, I'd guess
[06:35:21] <andypugh> It’s interesting just how different the Avon Mk1 and Avon Mk209 look:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/English-Electric-Lightning-P1B-RAF-Aircraft-Rolls-Royce-Avon-Mk209-Jet-Engine/141715218774?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29973%26meid%3D9b10252a4684449db445b553e44da908%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D131452112034
[06:35:21] <tiwake> andypugh: is there an approximation then?
[06:35:37] <andypugh> Power = thrust x vehicle speed.
[06:36:58] <andypugh> One of the reasons Whittle had trouble persuading the RAF to use his jets was that the top brass were only used to thinking about shaft horsepower and they didn’t understand what jet thrust meant.
[06:37:44] <tiwake> heh
[06:41:40] <andypugh> FWIW the second engine was 1370 lb thrust. The lightning would do 1500 mph. So that’s about 5500 hp.
[06:42:15] <andypugh> (But no propellor engine could provide 1370lbf at 1500mph, of course)
[06:43:11] <tiwake> ...thats about twice the speed of sound
[06:43:26] <andypugh> Yes. The Lightning was amazing.
[06:44:01] <andypugh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Electric_Lightning
[06:45:56] <tiwake> so assuming things scale linearly, I'd be looking for a jet engine with about 100 lb thrust
[06:46:15] <SpeedEvil> No
[06:46:22] <andypugh> The Lightning was the first thing to be able to do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CDLbokf9sg
[06:46:25] <SpeedEvil> You want a shaft output engine
[06:46:36] <SpeedEvil> these are used for helicopters
[06:47:34] <tiwake> ..?
[06:48:27] <SpeedEvil> yes
[06:49:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lycoming-T-53-huey-helicopter-gas-turbine-case-/121705740168?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1c563a3788 - this sort of thing
[06:50:50] <tiwake> thats just a turbine engine with a shaft sticking out of it to drive something mechanical?
[06:50:52] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Russian-helicopter-MI-2-Gas-turbine-Engine-GTD-350-400-HP-/171865534072?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2803fbee78 or this
[06:50:54] <SpeedEvil> yes
[06:51:16] <SpeedEvil> 400hp shaft from a 135kg engine
[06:51:39] <tiwake> not sure what a piston engine generally is
[06:52:28] <SpeedEvil> http://www.engineering.com/DesignerEdge/DesignerEdgeArticles/ArticleID/7071/Nissans-40kg-400HP-Engine.aspx - you can get better with IC - thought that is quite an old engine
[06:54:11] <tiwake> is it made out of titanium or something? heh... I don't think thats a common weight for ~400hp piston engines
[06:54:36] <tiwake> could be wrong though, I've never weighed a piston engine before
[06:54:43] <SpeedEvil> No, it's not
[06:54:51] <SpeedEvil> That is going in their le-mans insane car
[06:56:56] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycoming_TIO-541 is perhaps comparable soirt-of
[06:57:15] <SpeedEvil> in that it's an aero engine of similar vintage
[06:57:31] <SpeedEvil> And weighs about double
[06:59:17] <tiwake> ah, yeah... some googling and it seems engines of that power output weigh ~400-450lbs
[06:59:57] <tiwake> hmm, thats a cast iron head though
[07:00:18] <andypugh> A 200hp motorcycle weighs about 250lbs. So I suspect that two motorcycle engines bolted together would work
[07:00:49] <andypugh> Hang on, that was a terribly typo. A 200hp bike is 400lbs.
[07:01:21] <tiwake> the whole bike?
[07:01:41] <andypugh> Yes, the ehole bike. I don’t know what the engine weighs, but I can lift it.
[07:01:54] <tiwake> sounds about right
[07:03:02] <andypugh> Or there is this: 310hp and 490lb:
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/en/products/supersport/2015/ninja_h2r/specifications?Uid=095FC1teWA1cDA4NXVsNXFoKDVBfUVsJDl8KWl9fCgsOUQo
[07:07:44] <andypugh> Which seems to demolish a Veyron, rather surprisingly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi5_GQ78wM8
[07:08:24] <andypugh> (I would normally expect a car to have an advantage above 120, just because riders have dreadful aero)
[07:09:40] <SpeedEvil> yes, the veyron is 1200hp
[07:09:50] <SpeedEvil> but it's also 4000lb
[07:10:40] <SpeedEvil> But aero - yes
[07:11:05] <andypugh> Also more common than the H2R. I kept seeing them driving around or parked up over the last two weeks.
[07:13:37] <andypugh> Hmm, actually, I kept seeing a SuperSport (with orange bits) but the others might well have been Bugatti Chirons.
[07:14:43] <andypugh> (we shared an office in the hotel woth
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1085603_2017-renault-alpine-as1-spy-shots too)
[07:42:35] <archivist> thinking of the Lightening I came across a slide in the Lucas stuff
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=p1a
[07:47:43] <cradek> zeeshan-lab: yay!
[08:23:14] <andypugh> Doh!
[08:24:28] <andypugh> “Why won’t this blasted mill controller PC boot? It booted 2 weeks ago before my work trip…. Different keyboards, different monitors, boot from USB etc. Nothing. Then I remembered I had taken the memory out to boot something else…”
[08:25:08] <archivist> user error at line one
[08:25:14] <Tom_itx> bios come up?
[08:25:34] <andypugh> no bios
[08:25:46] <Tom_itx> no beep codes?
[08:25:48] <archivist> only beeps with no memory
[08:25:54] <Tom_itx> or do they still do that...
[08:26:04] <archivist> and only if you connected the speaker
[08:26:09] <andypugh> Nothing to beepo with
[08:27:28] <Tom_itx> http://www.pchell.com/hardware/beepcodes.shtml
[08:31:26] <Tom_itx> check the psu voltages?
[08:32:15] <Tom_itx> look for swollen caps
[08:37:07] <archivist> Tom_itx, you didnt notice the line where he had taken the ram out
[08:37:31] <Tom_itx> yes but i figured he put it back in and still had issues
[08:39:31] <Tom_itx> sounds like something i would do
[09:16:21] <andypugh> No, with the RAM in it works just fine.
[09:16:30] <andypugh> And this is a brand-new MB
[09:47:58] <andypugh> I wonder what the right feed and speed is for milling EZ-out material?
[09:48:28] <andypugh> I guessed at 100rpm and 0.1mm/min :-)
[09:48:38] <andypugh> (not my brake caliper, I know better)
[09:57:50] <andypugh> Anyone need a touch-probe and infra-red interfave at a very cheap price? I don’t think he knows what he is selling:
[09:57:50] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Blum-CNC-probe-system-BLUM-/221831341767?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item33a62da6c7
[09:58:19] <archivist> I have that in my watch list
[09:58:34] <archivist> and a bid on a cheaper one :)
[09:58:55] <andypugh> Its a buy-it-now ?
[09:59:07] <archivist> no
[10:00:29] <archivist> I have 1 day 5 hours left
[10:01:15] <archivist> the blum is on its second or more times round
[10:01:28] <andypugh> £68 seems very cheap
[10:01:34] <archivist> was 80 last week
[10:01:48] <andypugh> I paid £50 for my “Renshaw” but that had no reciever unit
[10:03:01] <archivist> I am planning to make one for the fun of it along the renishaw strain gauge idea but different
[10:03:41] <archivist> with a few bits of chinesium and real renishaw stylii
[10:05:52] <Tom_itx> maybe a cheaper alternative to tips
https://www.carbideprobes.com/
[10:10:11] <archivist> I got one probe which is just too big and suffers from a fault that renishaw talks about when they came out with the strain type but much worse
[10:10:49] <archivist> the triangular error term from the contact arrangement
[10:11:45] <archivist> to big
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=probe+pd
[10:12:15] <trentster> howdy all - for those of you who are interested - I just started a little cnc community site for folks like us who find interesting articles and cnc links on the web and want to share with others. Also lets people upvote and download submitted content based on how cool they think stuff is. It kinda brand new - but if you want toc check it out, the url is
http://cnc4.me/
[10:13:47] <archivist> phail on older browsers
[10:15:08] <archivist> trentster, not a lot
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/grabs/Screenshot-27.png
[10:16:42] <trentster> archivist: thats odd you should get a page like this
[10:16:44] <trentster> http://monosnap.com/image/k1TeHauBiFAljvzkd2rIGMC947kHCR
[10:16:57] <trentster> let me test from elsewhere
[10:18:47] <archivist> I just see lots of loading etc at bottom left, something I am seeing from lots of broken web2 and javascript stuff
[10:21:13] <trentster> odd -i have tested from both OSX and Windows - both firefox and chrome.
[10:21:48] <trentster> Not near a Linux machine at the moment tho - maybe its a linux browser issue, I will continue testing tho - thanks for the heads up archivist
[10:21:59] <archivist> osx and windaz, in cnc land we use linux
[10:22:23] <Deejay> on 39.0 firefox on ubuntu its fine
[10:22:35] <trentster> yeah I use Linux to send gcode - real work I do on Mac's
[10:22:40] <trentster> :P
[10:23:09] <trentster> Deejay: Thanks mate
[10:24:52] <archivist> Page Speed Score: 23/100
[10:25:21] <archivist> ew 149 resources
[10:26:21] <trentster> archivist: it has not been optomized it uses the meteor framework, which is node.js etc - i didnt write it
[10:26:26] <Rab> Was able to see on FF 39.0 on Slackware, but I had to enable javascript before it would load.
[10:27:00] <archivist> trentster, I can see it is all jz and no sense
[10:27:03] <archivist> js
[10:27:07] <Tom_itx> the interweb can do just fine with out java
[10:27:21] <trentster> 99% of most modern web apps need javascript enabled unfortunately
[10:27:26] <archivist> the excess of js needs stamping on
[10:28:15] <Deejay> you guys browse the web with lynx, do you? ;-)
[10:28:22] <Deejay> no js, no graphics, text only
[10:28:29] <Tom_itx> 99% of most modern webpages don't load worth a crap either
[10:28:42] <archivist> nope a venerable version of firefox
[10:29:19] <archivist> dont need no fancy wizbangs to see html
[10:30:21] <archivist> size is 11.79MB for the page
[10:30:35] <Deejay> whut? 11 megs? rofl
[10:30:51] <archivist> html would be about 100k
[10:31:17] <Rab> FWIW neither cnczone nor homeshopmachinist require js (at least to view).
[10:31:38] <archivist> js abuse is a retrograde step
[10:32:14] <trentster> archivist: a full page load for me is 128K
[10:32:28] <Tom_itx> win 10 will fix everything
[10:32:29] <Rab> Both seem to be running vBulletin.
[10:33:17] <archivist> trentster, that is cached, the real size it larger
[10:33:39] <archivist> my fugly front page is 4 resources 54.5kB
[10:34:16] <archivist> the largest part of that is google analytics js :)
[10:34:38] <Rab> sinister
[10:35:20] <archivist> i did have google webmaster tools complain about their own +1 when I tried that
[10:35:26] <trentster> well its not in production yet or minified, its just a test instance, just trying to get some feedback from folks to see if anyone find it useful.
[10:36:41] <archivist> try a wiki or something, but there is already competing stuff out there
[10:36:46] <trentster> archivist fwiw I am in IT myself and I know quite a bit about speed optimization, e.g. here is an article from my personal blog site
http://blog.smartcore.net.au/fast-wordpress-on-smartos-with-varnish/ :-)
[10:37:22] <trentster> just so you know you don't need to get hung up with speed and elitism at this point yet, its just a proof oc concept
[10:37:39] <archivist> thing about wordpress and others is the need to use varnish, just design the problems out earlier
[10:38:28] <archivist> I do have a wordpress instance here
[10:38:39] <trentster> sigh - yup
[10:39:11] <trentster> archivist did you even look at the page or just read the url and make assumptions
[10:41:41] <archivist> I understand caching the output for speed, because the basic underlying stuff is slow, one can design more speed in the first place
[10:43:29] <trentster> archivist: my poing being by showing you my technical blog is to say "hey, dude, please dont get hung up on telling me how slow the site is - cause i am kind of a technical person IT wise myself - the point being is, is it a good idea to have a community resource like this where people can get involved?
[10:44:12] <trentster> I have not seen anything like this before so I dthought it may be a nice thing to have and wanted to get feedback about the "idea" - kapish
[10:44:14] <Tom_itx> i thought that's what the linuxcnc wiki was
[10:44:33] <archivist> and what cnczone is
[10:44:59] <trentster> This is not purely for linuxcnc - its for anything cnc, for people who find interesting youtube videos on cnc or 3d printing or robotics or new materials etc etc
[10:45:02] <Tom_itx> guess you can carry on and see how it goes
[10:45:45] <Tom_itx> i don't go to a particular site for all my needs, rather search for what i need and go to the best resource for it
[10:45:50] <trentster> cnczone is a forum - its a totally different concept, this is visual and has community up/down voting so the neat stuff that people really like gets to the top of the list
[10:48:00] <archivist> I dont regularly go to any of the vote type sites at the moment either, I get the interesting links I suppose from here
[10:48:57] <trentster> ok thanks for the feedback mate
[10:59:31] <Loetmichel> Hmm, thats a new one... BSODs are normal every other time. but this time it was a deadlock with frosen screens that not even the reset button nor the Power button pressend >4s could remedy... had to pull the plug... and after reboot the Cmos was empty?!?
[11:03:42] <kengu> i knew i was missing a channel
[11:03:59] <DaViruz> probably cosmic rays! you need mre shielding ;)
[11:05:26] <andypugh> trentster: Loads OK here. I think that the idea has some merit.
[11:06:48] <trentster> andypugh: thanks so do I :-)
[11:07:37] <andypugh> In other news: I milled out the EZ-out from the brake caliper with no problems. But when I got to the end of the thread the remains of the nipple spun freely rather than cut, and the cutter broke. I got the remains out and the thread is undamaged, but it cost me a cutter.
[11:08:04] <trentster> I am busy adding some content and new links then I will mention it in some other places and see if it naturally builds up some critical mass
[11:29:44] <zeeshan> XXCoder: about 4000 ipm or something
[11:46:38] <motioncontrol> Hi at all. i want move Y axis the machine, with servo motor , in gantry mode, how can realized this, exist a hal file example ?
[11:54:33] <andypugh> sim/axis/gantry ?
[11:55:03] <archivist> motioncontrol, your question is not that clear, many use servo and gantry machines what is the real problem
[11:55:53] <motioncontrol> The problem i thing is homing procedure.
[11:56:12] <motioncontrol> But i stay thing use drive in master -slave configuration.
[11:56:21] <archivist> dual motor?
[11:56:28] <motioncontrol> yes dual motor
[11:56:44] <motioncontrol> two ball screw
[11:58:52] <archivist> a google search for linuxcnc gantry homing finds a few resources, never done this myself
[12:00:00] <motioncontrol> ok thanks
[12:16:18] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, saw your thread video..
[12:16:29] <zeeshan> it works!
[12:17:20] <Tom_itx> you didn't put a screw in the hole though
[12:17:42] <zeeshan> to test it?
[12:17:47] <Tom_itx> yeah
[12:17:48] <zeeshan> i tested it
[12:17:49] <zeeshan> it works :P
[12:17:57] <Tom_itx> i figured it would
[12:21:49] <zeeshan> one thing i was wondering during tapping yesterday
[12:22:09] <zeeshan> if i accidently set the feed over ride to 50%
[12:22:13] <zeeshan> wouldn't that blow up the tap
[12:29:01] <andypugh> I think G33.1 is exempt from feed override
[12:29:18] <zeeshan> do you know where in the source g33.1's program is
[12:30:38] <Tom_itx> the axis should still follow the spindle
[12:31:22] <zeeshan> i guess i can do a check by setting the feed override to 2%
[12:31:24] <zeeshan> and see what happens
[12:33:03] <andypugh> zeeshan:
http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git&a=search&h=66ec566cfb09bf6d1e959b48cd53d3aa051ca44e&st=grep&s=RIGID_TAP
[12:34:23] <andypugh> Probably start in emccanon.cc and work from there
[12:34:37] <zeeshan> i think i found it
[12:34:39] <zeeshan> tp.c
[12:34:48] <zeeshan> tpUpdateRigidTapState
[12:35:15] <zeeshan> is there anyway to start linuxcnc in debug mode?
[12:35:22] <zeeshan> so i can actually see those debug print messages
[12:35:27] <Tom_itx> wonder how hard it would be to take that code, separate the XY move to a separate rapid move then plunge Z and call it G84
[12:35:55] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: probably not a lot of work
[12:36:00] <zeeshan> the meat is there :P
[12:36:15] <zeeshan> i'm not used to the code placement of linuxcnc
[12:36:16] <Tom_itx> it would be more fitting for a rigid tap cycle
[12:37:40] <Tom_itx> the problem would be calling it from different work planes or axis
[12:38:03] <zeeshan> couldnt you use like a g73 drill cycle
[12:38:06] <zeeshan> as a barebones
[12:38:14] <zeeshan> and just integrate tapping to that?
[12:38:19] <zeeshan> cause that already takes care of the work planes
[12:38:31] <zeeshan> i really do want to learn the code
[12:38:35] <zeeshan> so i can be more useful :)
[12:38:38] <Tom_itx> i'm sure someone could
[12:38:58] <Tom_itx> i'd like to as well but realize my limitations
[12:38:59] <zeeshan> the thing that confuses me is
[12:39:10] <zeeshan> im modifying say tp.c
[12:39:15] <zeeshan> and there is already a new version out
[12:39:20] <Tom_itx> i've done imbedded c but not for pc or rt etc
[12:39:29] <zeeshan> i feel like what if i do something that'll interfere with someone elses work?
[12:39:33] <zeeshan> that was also working onthe source tree
[12:39:53] <Tom_itx> that's why you create a branch and when it's ready, submit it for review
[12:40:26] <Tom_itx> then they will decide to merge it to the mainstream code
[12:40:48] <zeeshan> ah
[12:41:06] <zeeshan> but what if during the time i was working on tp.c
[12:41:12] <zeeshan> someone else also made modifications
[12:41:20] <zeeshan> now we have 2 copies of tp.c
[12:41:33] <zeeshan> that might conflict with each other depending on how it was modified
[12:41:42] <Tom_itx> that's why you ask
[12:41:53] <zeeshan> ask what
[12:42:02] <Tom_itx> or they both get merged together then pushed
[12:55:37] <andypugh> zeeshan: If you try to push after someone else has pushed an imcompatible change then the merge will fail and you are told you need to reconcile the changes before the push is possible.
[12:57:23] <zeeshan-mill> ah
[12:57:35] <zeeshan-mill> andypugh, but im thinking of this
[12:57:43] <zeeshan-mill> bob made int a = 25
[12:58:08] <zeeshan-mill> and bob was doing c = a*10 and expecting 250
[12:58:33] <zeeshan-mill> while zeeshan made a = 50; and was expecting c to be 500
[12:58:52] <zeeshan-mill> youre saying that a conflict will be detected when a merge tries to happen
[12:58:56] <zeeshan-mill> because 25 != 50
[13:01:26] <cradek> yes, when you merge git will tell you: you have to figure this section here out
[13:02:03] <cradek> it's usually fine and pretty easy
[13:08:37] <zeeshan-mill> okay
[13:08:51] <zeeshan-mill> btw rigid tapping works :)
[13:09:05] <cradek> saw your video!
[13:10:32] <zeeshan-mill> btw, whoever programmed g33.1 did a good job
[13:10:42] <zeeshan-mill> so if you have feed override at 0%, it wont move
[13:10:49] <zeeshan-mill> but asap you move it to 1%
[13:11:02] <zeeshan-mill> itll start rigid tapping at the correct speed , ignoring the feed percentage
[13:11:19] <cradek> yeah he's one of our cleverest
[13:14:23] <cradek> handsome too
[13:14:32] <zeeshan-mill> haha who is it
[13:14:45] <zeeshan-mill> you?
[13:14:49] <cradek> heh it was me
[13:14:55] <zeeshan-mill> nice
[13:14:58] <cradek> I did threading and tapping
[13:15:31] <zeeshan-mill> sweet!
[13:19:30] <Tom_itx> merge it to G84 with separate X Y moves now :D
[13:19:50] <cradek> that would be nice
[13:20:06] <Tom_itx> it would make a proper canned cycle out of it
[13:20:24] <cradek> but g84 gets the pitch implicitly from f/s and I think that's icky
[13:20:55] <cradek> it would be nice if tapping was a real cycle though.
[13:23:28] <Tom_itx> how to handle a lefthand thread would be next then
[13:23:53] <Tom_itx> not that common but cnc's do it
[13:25:10] <cradek> does g33.1 not work LH?
[13:25:16] <cradek> surely it does
[13:25:30] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[13:25:44] <Tom_itx> oh i bet it does
[13:25:57] <Tom_itx> you'd just reverse the spindle order in the canned cycle
[13:26:20] <cradek> just start in m4
[13:26:25] <Tom_itx> that probably could be 'if'd with a parameter
[13:26:33] <Tom_itx> using the same cycle
[13:30:58] <Tom_itx> you've almost got _me_ wanting to look at the code
[13:35:54] <Tom_itx> i think that would be a huge learning curve though
[14:56:29] <Aero-Tec> is setting up a cnc plasma cutter hard to do?
[14:56:49] <Aero-Tec> I got a miller 675 with the CNC interface
[14:57:03] <Aero-Tec> but no info on what the 6 wires do
[14:57:11] <Aero-Tec> or how to use them
[14:57:43] <Aero-Tec> no info if a THC is part of the miller CNC interface or not
[14:59:04] <membiblio> Aero-Tec - Miller is excellent about tech support - just call them and they will help you with what ever you need.
[14:59:26] <membiblio> And - the schematic of the Miller is pasted to the inside of the cabinet.
[14:59:37] <Aero-Tec> looked at CandCNC unit and the THC card from Mesa
[14:59:48] <Aero-Tec> cool thanks
[15:00:04] <Aero-Tec> there seams to be tons of ways to do it
[15:00:18] <Aero-Tec> I was wanting a live tracking THC
[15:00:51] <Aero-Tec> so when cutting a 45 gal barrel it would see and react to the ribs
[15:01:20] <membiblio> Oh... hm. How are you going to do that - vision - or some other way?
[15:01:56] <Aero-Tec> or comp for warping or whatever
[15:02:00] <membiblio> How and why does it need to react to the ribs?
[15:03:40] <Aero-Tec> the ribs in a barrel are somewhat high, would the torch not need to raise and lower for that?
[15:04:49] <membiblio> How high are they Aero-Tec?
[15:04:57] <membiblio> About 1/4 of a inch?
[15:05:09] <Loetmichel> haha, wife just made dinner... a 600gr steak... with 2 100gr strips of bacon as a side. THATS a manly dinner! ;)
[15:05:41] <membiblio> Be sure to take your cholesterol med first :)
[15:05:41] <Aero-Tec> some have capacitance, others voltage sensing, some arc count of some sort
[15:05:59] <Aero-Tec> It looks to be more then 1/4 inch
[15:06:18] <membiblio> Does your Miller have a cpu / control card on the face of the machine?
[15:06:22] <Aero-Tec> have not measured it yet
[15:06:36] <Aero-Tec> yes
[15:06:39] <Aero-Tec> a port
[15:06:59] <Aero-Tec> I bought the factory interface
[15:07:19] <Aero-Tec> you replace the front panel to install it
[15:07:43] <membiblio> Some Millers are dumb some are smart. If you have a cpu card that is part of the front face of the machine - like if you have a display and it displays error codes - then yes you can sense parts of the machines 'workings'
[15:08:22] <Aero-Tec> not sure of the error code pert
[15:08:26] <membiblio> I took apart a Miller to repair it and spent a bit of time diagnosing before calling Miller - it was the torch wire :) but I learned a lot - not a bad thing
[15:08:40] <membiblio> Is your Miller water cooled?
[15:08:53] <Aero-Tec> my miller wire feed MIG is CPU controlled and has a computer port
[15:09:17] <Aero-Tec> no
[15:09:33] <membiblio> I'm not a welder, just a EE specializing in embedded systems so I have to learn every day when working outside my field.
[15:10:00] <Aero-Tec> I learn every day as well
[15:10:13] <Aero-Tec> self employed
[15:10:19] <membiblio> The machine I took apart was water cooled and big. A little larger than a dorm refrigerator (3.5' tall and square
[15:10:27] <membiblio> Oh me too! Self employeed.
[15:10:44] <Aero-Tec> sounds like my miller shop master 300
[15:11:00] <membiblio> So inside the Miller that I took apart was about 3 sensors for various current sense 'stuff'
[15:11:07] <membiblio> I can post a pic of the schematic if you like.
[15:11:11] <Aero-Tec> it almost sounds like a airplane when the fans are running
[15:12:01] <Aero-Tec> I need plasma cutter info right now
[15:12:18] <Aero-Tec> my miller 250 MIG is working fine
[15:12:27] <Aero-Tec> but thanks for the offer
[15:12:50] <membiblio> I think my point - you should be able to interface to the machine - even if there is no port - to do the sensing you anticipated. Think fuzzily. :)
[15:13:00] <Aero-Tec> how good is the miller plasma cutter?
[15:13:45] <membiblio> I don't know. The guys at a company I support use it all day, all week, all year, years - only the one single problem and that was a broken torch wire :)
[15:13:56] <Aero-Tec> there is a HD torch by some other brand that some claim to be more accurate
[15:14:30] <membiblio> And when I called for support - they were spectacularly excellent. Miller Spectacularly Excellent. :)
[15:14:41] <Aero-Tec> cool
[15:14:56] <membiblio> This one has water that flows to the torch and back.
[15:15:14] <Aero-Tec> I can add that to mine
[15:15:32] <Aero-Tec> right now a gas cool one works well for what I do
[15:15:58] <Aero-Tec> adding a water cooled torch is a easy do
[15:16:57] <membiblio> ok I'm off to do something physical - nice meeting you - ttyl !
[15:17:03] <Aero-Tec> on the barrel ribs I would guess they are about 1/2 inch or so high
[15:17:51] <membiblio> That is a lot, yes I would think you probably need to go slower near them to cut completely through
[15:18:31] <Aero-Tec> I see some just touch the steel and pull up some and cut
[15:18:59] <Aero-Tec> how fancy do you need to get
[15:19:45] <Aero-Tec> I would like to have it doing production work so I need my consumables to last and for the work to be top notch
[15:24:07] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/lkLAI55.jpg I so need to make one of these LED rings for my spindle...
[15:51:58] <kengu> hmm.. in lasercutter rebuild steppers step when ever laser fires. not desired action.
[15:52:23] <XXCoder> zeeshan: dang!!! 4k ipm! I know its not fastest ever, heard of 10k ipm but yeah fast
[15:54:56] <XXCoder> zeeshan-mill:
[15:56:40] <pcw_home> 4000 ipm is only 3.79 MPH
[15:57:25] <pcw_home> just a brisk walk
[15:57:48] <Loetmichel> pcw_home: can you "brisk walk" a 90° corner?
[15:58:13] <pcw_home> nothing can
[16:05:13] <pcw_home> A good sprinter can get close to 1G acceleration and 26000 IPM though
[16:08:17] <cradek> 1G acceleration is very easy if you're not picky about the direction
[16:08:41] <pcw_home> Yeah I can do it upwards
[16:09:17] <cradek> I think downward is easier
[16:09:35] <pcw_home> well yes
[16:11:24] <XXCoder> fastest machine I have ever heard of was 10,000 ipm
[16:14:13] <zeeshan-mill> we have a machine at school
[16:14:51] <zeeshan-mill> that cuts at 8000m/min
[16:14:54] <zeeshan-mill> 314960 ipm
[16:15:03] <zeeshan-mill> they were using it to test how fast you can cut aluminum
[16:15:22] <zeeshan-mill> cradek 96 tapped holes in 9 minutes
[16:15:27] <XXCoder> 298 mph
[16:15:35] <zeeshan-mill> sure as hell beats tapping by hand!!
[16:15:37] <XXCoder> most cars cant beat that
[16:15:44] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[16:16:26] <XXCoder> if there was one long enough to cover length of drag racing, car would lose lol
[16:16:40] <XXCoder> and they got nice long alum cut... maybe? lol
[16:17:25] <SpeedEvil> Do you actually mean 110m/s axis movement and not rotary cutter speed?
[16:18:47] <SpeedEvil> I could believe the former
[16:28:27] <SpeedEvil> If I haven't screwed up the numbers, to get to 110m/s and back in 1m would take per kilo of weight - 20 megawatts axis motors
[16:28:38] <SpeedEvil> assuming said axis motors were massless
[16:28:56] <SpeedEvil> oops - 80MW
[16:30:04] <SpeedEvil> (caution: done in head and I'm tired)
[16:31:14] <XXCoder> zeeshan-mill: that machine moves at 0.000000426c lol
[16:31:57] <XXCoder> 1% is 670 million mph
[16:32:01] <CaptHindsight> c = velocity of light in a vacuum?
[16:32:06] <XXCoder> yep
[16:34:08] <XXCoder> actually NOT 1% but just 1 - ie. 100% oops
[16:34:20] <XXCoder> (for 670 million mph)
[16:38:55] <zeeshan> lol
[16:39:26] <zeeshan> actually i just looked it up
[16:39:35] <SpeedEvil> c=1ns/foot
[16:39:41] <zeeshan> yea it is 8000m/min
[16:39:56] <zeeshan> its a test apparatus
[16:40:02] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEpsKnWZrJ8
[16:40:15] <SpeedEvil> grace hopper on nanoseconds
[16:48:59] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: To get to 100m/s in 1m and back requires that you accellerate in .5m to 100m/s - taking 10ms. This is 10000m/s^2, or 10000N per kilo of weight. Or at peak speed of 110m/s, 1.1 megawatts per kilo. That seems unlikely.
[16:49:31] <zeeshan> who says youre limited to 1m?
[16:49:37] <zeeshan> its a long rail
[16:50:15] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
[16:50:25] <zeeshan> if i find the paper
[16:50:30] <zeeshan> ill link it
[16:50:36] <SpeedEvil> The numbers do get somewhat lot better at 10m.
[16:50:50] <SpeedEvil> But the moving axes mass gets higher.
[17:01:40] <XXCoder> foot per nanosecond interesting
[17:41:01] <Deejay> gn8
[18:44:34] <Roguish> you guys like weather? check this out. so neat:
https://www.windyty.com/?35.174,-116.719,3
[18:46:02] <andypugh> Pretty!
[18:50:08] <andypugh> Yesterday I went from 39C (101F) in Granada (even in Spain the news was full og heatwave stories) to 13C (55F) and rain in the UK sufficient to close Tube Stations due to flooding. A bit of a contrast.
[18:51:15] <PetefromTn_> 95F here
[18:51:27] <andypugh> Friday was:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33662965
[18:51:45] <Roguish> Here in the East Bay, San Francisco, it going into 100+F next week.
[18:51:52] <andypugh> (A typical July amount of rain in one day)
[18:52:02] <Roguish> but low humidity..... unlike TN
[18:52:06] <PetefromTn_> we have had no end of rain along with the heat
[18:53:28] <XXCoder> hey PetefromTn_
[18:53:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[18:53:50] <XXCoder> you menioned led lighting ring
[18:53:53] <XXCoder> it seems very doable
[18:54:02] <PetefromTn_> yup pretty cheap and simple mod
[18:54:21] <PetefromTn_> just have never done it yet
[18:54:25] <XXCoder> heck you can even grab some usb lighting that has 3 or 4 and modify it and use some tube
[18:55:20] <jdh> I got an LED ring light to go on my mill... still in the packag
[18:55:47] <XXCoder> dunno what my lighting plan is atm lol but I do have 2 unused 40 watt led bulbs I can use.
[18:55:59] <XXCoder> its years old
[18:57:10] <PetefromTn_> my machine has a nice machinists lamp already installed and I was going to add a couple of those LED waterproof housing lamps around the top of the enclosure for ambient light as well.
[18:57:14] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, i did a light ring for my scope once
[18:57:25] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/scope/led_harness_on.jpg
[18:57:35] <PetefromTn_> But the idea of the LED ring seems that it would put a LOT of light right where you need it most
[18:57:52] <PetefromTn_> scope?
[18:58:05] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/scope/scope2.jpg
[18:58:19] <PetefromTn_> ok
[18:58:29] <XXCoder> Pete it would be ideal for big machines
[18:58:46] <XXCoder> my machine is small so 2 lights in both directions would work well
[18:59:44] <andypugh> I just use:
http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/00169659/ (with the bases removed)
[19:00:31] <andypugh> But that is partly because I always seem to need CNC machine parts on Sunday :-)
[19:00:38] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/9qoNF8W.jpg
[19:00:41] <Tom_itx> i think i prefer those since you can move it where you want it
[19:00:44] <PetefromTn_> that is what my machine came with
[19:00:58] <XXCoder> I wish machines I use have that
[19:01:12] <XXCoder> they all have "corner lights" which suck in some cases
[19:01:39] <andypugh> Tom_itx: The IKEA lights are on goosenecks
[19:03:04] <Tom_itx> yeah
[19:03:12] <Tom_itx> that's what i meant
[19:11:28] <Tom_itx> those are 7 bux here if you join
[19:11:40] <Tom_itx> http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/20169658/
[19:12:40] <Tom_itx> andypugh, does it use a walwart?
[19:13:38] <andypugh> Yes, a 4V one, but they run fine of 5V
[19:15:36] <andypugh> I did some tests and it looks like there is a regulator in the light, as the current draw is constant from 4V to 10V
[19:25:11] <zeeshan-mill> 216 holes tapped
[19:25:17] <zeeshan-mill> with one tap!!!
[19:25:18] <zeeshan-mill> :D
[19:25:40] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:25:42] <XXCoder> your tap is stuf
[19:25:44] <XXCoder> stud
[19:25:50] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: in what?
[19:25:53] <XXCoder> heh nice to hear its working nicely
[19:26:13] <zeeshan-mill> 606
[19:26:17] <zeeshan-mill> 3/8
[19:26:21] <zeeshan-mill> ill post a pic in a few min
[19:27:57] * SpeedEvil bets on an 18*12 array
[19:28:57] <zeeshan-mill> whoops
[19:29:02] <zeeshan-mill> its actually 228
[19:29:05] <zeeshan-mill> 19x12
[19:34:14] <Tom_itx> zeeshan what was wrong with your axis?
[19:34:45] <furrywolf> it didn't reverse fast enough
[19:35:03] <furrywolf> and linuxcnc's default behavior is to sit there and break your tap rather than give an error. :)
[19:37:09] <XXCoder> heh
[19:48:06] <zeeshan-mill> Tom_itx, the encoder plug wasnt fully seated
[20:00:23] <furrywolf> I was thinking of using molex for my limit switches, but now I'm tempted to get some better connectors.
[20:00:40] <jdh> I hate molex
[20:00:56] <XXCoder> molex its bit ugly but very realiable
[20:01:01] <furrywolf> ... LOL
[20:01:03] <andypugh> Lemo. (Are you feeling rich?)
[20:01:03] <furrywolf> molex is NOT reliable.
[20:01:09] <furrywolf> under any meaning of the word.
[20:01:22] <XXCoder> never had one break on me. ever
[20:01:57] <furrywolf> they always make poor contact after enough time or enough cycles
[20:02:08] <furrywolf> pinball machines use them and repair techs hate them, as they always melt.
[20:02:36] <XXCoder> interesting. in pcs, including ones I had upgraded often, never had any issues
[20:03:15] <furrywolf> the ones used on mills, pinball machines, etc, aren't the same as the ones used on PC power supplies.
[20:03:46] <XXCoder> ah
[20:03:56] <XXCoder> well poc molex works well.
[20:03:59] <XXCoder> *pc
[20:04:08] <furrywolf> also, the ones on pc power supplies rarely handle more than an amp or two, unlike the ones used for other things...
[20:04:23] <XXCoder> hmm makes sense I guess
[20:04:43] <furrywolf> the ones used for other things are rated for 12A, but will melt if you actually use them there.
[20:04:58] <furrywolf> they won't melt at first, no... they'll melt several years later, in the middle of an important job.
[20:05:02] <pcw_home> any tin connector will melt if used for too high a current (runaway heat --> oxidation)
[20:05:28] <furrywolf> they're only rated for something like 20 cycles, and the contact resistance steadily climbs with time even without cycles.
[20:05:45] <furrywolf> add any moisture, and it climbs very, very quickly.
[20:05:55] <pcw_home> They will last for 50 years if rated properly
[20:06:20] <pcw_home> just dont use more than about 30% of rated current
[20:06:23] <XXCoder> modifiction of murphy's law -not only will it happen, it will happen at worse time lol
[20:07:09] <furrywolf> yep
[20:08:02] <furrywolf> pcw_home: they tend to fail even at no current. :)
[20:08:16] <furrywolf> first they start to develop rectification and other weird problems...
[20:08:28] <pcw_home> not decent high pressure ones
[20:09:25] <XXCoder> http://notalwayslearning.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/99f52bc70c487176cf403f4056ae9e4e.jpg
[20:10:16] <zeeshan> well im glad it was just a loose connector
[20:10:17] <zeeshan> :/
[20:10:52] <furrywolf> if apple made a car, you'd have to shop at the Gas Store (other fuel sources would be prohibited), and only Apple technicians could work on it.
[20:11:49] <furrywolf> and you wouldn't be able to open the hood without a set of pentalobular sockets.
[20:12:18] <XXCoder> yeah
[20:12:23] <XXCoder> sealed engine
[20:12:34] <XXCoder> dash would have no buttons
[20:12:50] <XXCoder> no buttons period
[20:13:13] <andypugh> I have overclocked a Mac by changing motherboard resistors. You just need to be determined.
[20:13:51] <zeeshan> rofl
[20:14:04] <malcom2073> Yeah, I've worked on mac minis, they're not *that* scary to work on
[20:14:09] <andypugh> And I upgraded the graphics card on a G4 Cube. Which was fairly easy once I moved the high components on the card to the other side.
[20:14:27] <furrywolf> lol
[20:14:31] <XXCoder> c4 cube, one that tends to overheat?
[20:15:01] <furrywolf> don't most apple products overheat or catch fire?
[20:15:06] <andypugh> G4 Cubes were a neat chimney design, didn’t overheat.
[20:16:12] <XXCoder> hmm may have confused it with other one
[20:16:29] <XXCoder> I remember one that had massive heat issues due to plastic surrounding design
[20:17:03] <XXCoder> in least its not that one where you have to lift 200 pound compyter and drop one inch to re-seat chips
[20:24:13] <XXCoder> anyone need usa to euro plug convertor with limit for 50w? lol
[20:24:20] <XXCoder> step up
[20:24:24] <furrywolf> no
[20:24:34] <XXCoder> yeah doubted it. oh well
[20:26:22] * furrywolf still isn't quite sure how xxcoder didn't notice how tiny it was. :P
[20:27:06] <XXCoder> well I figured it only doubled voltage, meaning whatever power supply can it can supply, but well didnt see 50w in picture lol
[20:28:21] <XXCoder> this guy is a fucking asshole.
http://notalwaysrelated.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/73b85d98cfbe9a840ab99a5200549da6.jpg
[20:30:13] <furrywolf> .. ok?
[20:30:49] <andypugh> I think it’s funny. Assuming it is staged
[20:31:14] <XXCoder> maybe. dunno. it is funny but really he didnt have to revenge
[20:32:14] <furrywolf> I wouldn't make the assumption that random internet captions are always accurate.
[20:32:30] <XXCoder> fine.
[20:32:37] <andypugh> Odd age mix. He loks too old to be made to babysit that too-young bother.
[20:32:44] <XXCoder> this if this is real, then this guy is a fucking asshole.
http://notalwaysrelated.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/73b85d98cfbe9a840ab99a5200549da6.jpg
[20:33:01] <XXCoder> andypugh: dont assume actually, I know someone with adult kids and baby
[20:33:08] <XXCoder> adult as in in 25s
[20:33:27] <XXCoder> last one is an accient but nevertheless
[20:33:34] <andypugh> Yeah, but when you are 25 your dad doesn’t get to make you babysit. He gets to ask you to.
[20:34:21] <XXCoder> my bro asks me most times but once a while he just assumes
[20:34:36] <XXCoder> had to wait on overtime work few hours as I watched boys
[20:34:40] <andypugh> But yes, captions on photos are often very unrelated to what the photo really shows
[20:34:53] <malcom2073> Nonsense, if it's on the internet, it must be true
[20:35:50] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kidWBeyOMA0
[20:35:57] <andypugh> malcom2073: Well, yes, of course. But what about when the exact same people strike exactly the same poses in the same places during entirely unrelated events? It gets so confusing.
[20:35:57] <furrywolf> who's holding the camera?
[20:36:04] <SpeedEvil> cold forging of bots - I wasn't aware of the exact process
[20:36:06] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: have you ever worked on anything DNA synthesizer related?
[20:36:21] <XXCoder> furrywolf: girlfriend or boyfriend?
[20:36:21] <andypugh> No, but I might know someone eho has
[20:36:24] <XXCoder> heh
[20:36:27] <CaptHindsight> or do you run from the Biologists? :)
[20:36:57] <CaptHindsight> just asking since you work on just about anything
[20:36:58] <XXCoder> word choice. lol (probably faked?)
http://notalwaysright.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/53fd1909afdc7a662bdc8bd92eb690c7.jpg
[20:37:23] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: I worked on skin grafts for a while, that was Biology.
[20:37:49] <malcom2073> I love how it's made
[20:41:56] <andypugh> Time to snooze, methinks.
[20:45:21] <zeeshan> XXCoder: rofl
[20:46:04] <furrywolf> I'd assume it's fake, but there's enough stupid religious people out there that who knows...
[20:46:09] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/O95fdB8.jpg
[20:46:14] <XXCoder> I have seen worse fur
[20:46:18] <furrywolf> someone could have been thinking about praying
[20:46:20] <XXCoder> in real signs not picture
[20:46:20] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/E6MluBi.jpg
[20:47:08] <furrywolf> did you tap dry or with cutting fluid?
[20:47:36] <XXCoder> lubed or not l;ubed?
[20:47:36] <zeeshan> cutting fluid
[20:47:44] <zeeshan> manually added as she was tappin
[20:47:47] <furrywolf> also, now try that in 304. :P
[20:48:06] <Tom_itx> swiss cheese
[20:48:23] <zeeshan> seriously, it took 1hr 45min to make the part
[20:48:28] <zeeshan> imagine having to do it by hand
[20:48:59] <Tom_itx> did you code it or use a subroutine?
[20:49:05] <zeeshan> cam
[20:49:08] <zeeshan> 5 min cam
[20:49:20] <zeeshan> select all holes, choose tool , set depth
[20:49:21] <furrywolf> zeeshan: I got an air tap gun the other day... it could do it by hand without TOOO much pain...
[20:49:27] <Tom_itx> yeah i've got one made for my mill too
[20:49:31] <zeeshan> copy path and paste, select drill tool
[20:49:41] <zeeshan> copy and paste again and select tap tool and rigid tap cycle
[20:49:42] <Tom_itx> you should have used thicker plate
[20:49:45] <zeeshan> done
[20:49:45] <Tom_itx> it will wear
[20:49:51] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: this isn't for me
[20:49:53] <furrywolf> it's like an air drill, but with thumb-controlled pushbuttons, extra gears, and a 2-square-jaw chuck for gipping taps.
[20:49:54] <zeeshan> this is a router table
[20:49:58] <Tom_itx> oh
[20:49:58] <zeeshan> it's not going to wear
[20:50:11] <zeeshan> he's putting plywood pieces on top of theis
[20:50:15] <zeeshan> and then metal on top of that
[20:50:26] <zeeshan> he just wants a fairly flat base with lots of holes for various mounting
[20:50:36] <zeeshan> (for my friend)
[20:50:58] <PetefromTn_> Looks well done man
[20:51:18] <zeeshan> thanks man!
[20:51:27] <Tom_itx> yeah
[20:51:33] <malcom2073> Nice
[20:51:37] <malcom2073> That's a lotta holes heh
[20:51:46] <zeeshan> i took a few videos of it
[20:51:57] <zeeshan> but i need to edit them cause i think they'd bore people :P
[20:52:02] <zeeshan> its 30 minutes of tapping
[20:52:09] <malcom2073> SHould've taken one long video, and timelapsed it
[20:52:27] <zeeshan> ill time lapse the spot then drill then tap cycle
[20:52:49] <zeeshan> ive never done any video editting before though
[20:52:55] <zeeshan> just used virtualdub
[20:55:23] <zeeshan> http://www.turbo-flanges.com/images/vband%20gate%20in.JPG
[20:55:30] <zeeshan> i'd like to make this for my exhaust manifold
[20:55:39] <zeeshan> how to measure that tiny angle
[20:55:47] <zeeshan> its about 20 degrees, but i wanna measure it more accurately
[20:56:00] <zeeshan> (used a small protractor)
[20:59:07] <malcom2073> How much does it matter?
[20:59:17] <malcom2073> Could measure top diameter, bottom diameter, and length
[20:59:22] <malcom2073> figure it out from that
[20:59:56] <zeeshan> its for a v-band flange
[21:00:10] <zeeshan> that angle should theoretically only related to the amount of mechanical leverage
[21:01:52] <malcom2073> Do you have a lathe?
[21:02:10] <zeeshan> yea
[21:28:13] <XXCoder> zeeshan: too bad you dont have a cmm
[21:28:16] <XXCoder> good one
[21:29:24] <XXCoder> zeeshan: there may be a way though, using your cnc machine, touch on surface right by the end, then touch on slope
[21:29:36] <XXCoder> making sure you know distance then you can use trig
[21:29:52] <XXCoder> or even two points on same slope
[21:30:31] <XXCoder> dunno if you can hit 2 points when its so small.
[21:31:16] <archivist> dti, and some gcode to traverse the angle, adjust gcode for 0 error, you know the angle
[21:32:25] <XXCoder> be simpler to just mesture two points and get angle
[21:32:29] <XXCoder> trig fun
[21:32:42] <archivist> the trig is in the gcode :)
[21:32:50] <XXCoder> lol
[21:32:54] <zeeshan> might be easier to use a shadowgraph
[21:33:11] <XXCoder> that one with projector round screen
[21:33:13] <archivist> or use a conimeter
[21:33:18] <XXCoder> I use one at work sometimes
[21:33:38] <XXCoder> theres other version that uses glass table and lens on top
[21:33:58] <XXCoder> former looks like it was made in 60s or earlier lol
[21:35:45] <archivist> I found the patent for a conimeter was dated 1944
[21:36:55] <XXCoder> google got weird results for conimeter
[21:37:20] <archivist> http://www.adjustable.archivist.info/patents/GB/1944/GB587175A.pdf
[21:38:10] <Praesmeodymium> goniometer?
[21:39:02] <archivist> no, spelling is conimeter, the makers name was Conimeters Ltd
[21:39:30] <archivist> an oddity I found on ebay
[21:39:45] <Praesmeodymium> yeah reading the article thats... well hey i'm learning :)
[21:40:25] <XXCoder> ahh Optical comparator
[21:40:58] <XXCoder> http://store.gaging.com/image/data/S-T%20Industries/1600_labeled.jpg
[21:41:08] <XXCoder> that is more modern version of one I sue at work
[21:41:31] <XXCoder> many stuff look same but crude looking. the electrics right side is very different
[21:41:36] <XXCoder> just numbers
[21:41:51] <XXCoder> sometimes it is really nice.
[21:43:00] <archivist> but those cannot see a slice of that angle as a shadow
[21:43:20] <XXCoder> if its that outside lip then it can
[21:45:56] <archivist> but it is inside , also Optical Bevel Protractor
[21:46:17] <XXCoder> ahh
[21:46:41] <XXCoder> the inside wall?
[21:47:02] <XXCoder> if so just touch a dial on side, lift exact height then note dial change
[21:47:07] <XXCoder> then trig time
[21:47:51] <XXCoder> of course, he would need to find nearly exact Y then use X for that steps
[21:48:02] <XXCoder> so, basically just dial in find x, y
[21:58:01] <zeeshan> anyone here use virtualdub
[21:58:28] <XXCoder> tried to once
[22:03:31] <XXCoder> anyone ever watched this movie
http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/1/8/0/431180_v1.jpg
[22:10:19] <malcom2073> It's on my list, but I've never seen it
[22:10:41] <XXCoder> heh its a movie you should watch in least once
[22:10:44] <XXCoder> its so funny
[22:11:31] <malcom2073> That's what I've heard
[22:12:06] <malcom2073> Looks like it's available on netflix, I'll throw it on my dvd list
[22:12:08] <XXCoder> I'm sure it used to be scary back then
[22:12:08] <XXCoder> now well
[22:28:44] <Just_pink> Good evening
[22:31:29] <XXCoder> hey
[22:32:54] <Just_pink> I've start to work on the stack light controller.. and I have no idea what to do with the buzzer.
[22:33:47] <Just_pink> I have 3 colors: Red, Yellow, Green
[22:35:06] <Just_pink> XXCoder: what do you think is the best way to identify them
[22:35:32] <Just_pink> normal operation = green or blinking green?
[22:35:32] <XXCoder> red yellow and green hm
[22:35:50] <XXCoder> most machines I use uses steady light for running
[22:35:58] <XXCoder> flashing for waiting
[22:36:05] <XXCoder> different color in some cases
[22:36:21] <XXCoder> steady green =- running, flashing yellow for waiting, red for error
[22:36:27] <Just_pink> and for example for changing tool.
[22:36:27] <XXCoder> flashing red
[22:36:41] <XXCoder> so far I know, none uses light for toolchange
[22:37:21] <Just_pink> over heating
[22:40:02] <XXCoder> I suppose you can add status for that but dunno, never saw any light status for anything besides running, waiting, and error
[22:40:07] <Just_pink> http://pastebin.com/4uF4rj1g
[22:40:28] <XXCoder> oh yeah forgot this, steady red for maintance alert, for very few machines
[22:40:32] <Just_pink> and whan to add a buzzer?
[22:40:54] <XXCoder> no idea, I'm deaf so I dont know what noises machines make :)
[22:41:09] <Just_pink> I dont have maintance alert
[22:41:16] <XXCoder> im sure error would have beep or something
[22:41:21] <XXCoder> buzz that is
[22:43:09] <XXCoder> http://pastebin.com/KevSVeRq
[22:44:44] <Just_pink> what is the M00 M01?
[22:45:11] <XXCoder> oh gcode for stop and wait, and optional stop
[22:45:54] <Just_pink> so over heating is basically red? (error)
[22:46:11] <XXCoder> most programs has m01 before each tool change so you can check status, m00 if you need to do something while its waiting
[22:46:29] <XXCoder> for example you need to add bolts then remove clamps for outside border of part cutting
[22:46:43] <XXCoder> overheating yeah
[22:47:17] <Just_pink> I dont have tool changer (yet) so I want to see it on the stack light and get some beeps..
[22:47:54] <XXCoder> configuring it and stuff isn't what I know, unfortunatly, just what light status standards seems to be.
[22:49:09] <Just_pink> what about the E stop?
[22:50:29] <XXCoder> good question, never used e-stop so far
[22:50:53] <XXCoder> machine I used at old work I did use it, it used steady red
[22:51:17] <XXCoder> but otherwise dunno
[22:52:05] <Just_pink> what is the "hold" for the blinking green"
[22:53:21] <Just_pink> when I'm pause the machine during an operation?
[22:53:22] <XXCoder> dunno that was your orginial text
[22:54:19] <XXCoder> well if you can decide I would think blinking green is nice for paused, m00 or m01
[22:54:26] <XXCoder> while blinking yellow is good for completed
[22:55:28] <Tom_itx> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack_light
[22:56:27] <XXCoder> interesting
[22:56:40] <XXCoder> I wonder why flashing yellow is used for "idle status" for many machines.
[22:57:07] <XXCoder> in fact, only 3 machines at work don't have that, and 2 of em don't even have yellow light
[22:57:20] <XXCoder> and third one I suspect has yellow but burned out
[22:59:15] <Just_pink> It is legal to power up more than 1 color at the same time?
[22:59:35] <XXCoder> one machine does that, with maintance needed red light and flashing yellow for waiting
[22:59:55] <XXCoder> other machine does that briefly as it switches from running to waiting, but just timing thing
[23:00:17] <XXCoder> otherwise I dont see much of more than one light
[23:01:38] <Just_pink> but for "run completed" it is "OK" + "Stop" so.. red + green?
[23:02:04] <XXCoder> no, red status isnt used for normal stop
[23:02:07] <XXCoder> only e-stop
[23:02:18] <XXCoder> or some other bad machine stopping error
[23:02:38] <XXCoder> for example axle following error it would stop program and turn on red
[23:04:51] <Just_pink> so.. the E-stop loop is red, acording to the wiki yellow is over heating,
[23:04:53] <Just_pink> normal stop or hold can be steady yellow?
[23:05:08] <Just_pink> blinking green for runing
[23:05:34] <XXCoder> its better to have steady green for running
[23:05:41] <XXCoder> that seem to be standard
[23:05:54] <Just_pink> but for me blinking mean moving..
[23:06:14] <XXCoder> blinking yellow for non-critical error (apparently) or not doing anything (completed program)
[23:08:02] <Just_pink> I think blinking green = running, solid green + buzzer = operator required like tool charge complete job..
[23:08:38] <XXCoder> reality is that you can decide whatever you want, I was just saying what I usually see at machines I use at work
[23:09:32] <Just_pink> I want to be close to the real standtard (like the wiki page)
[23:09:52] <Just_pink> I've make the indicators and the buttons the same way.
[23:10:00] <XXCoder> cool :)
[23:10:17] <Just_pink> what is "non-critical error"
[23:10:31] <XXCoder> for example overheating but machine is still working fine
[23:12:21] <Just_pink> the HMI that manage the temperature have 3 stages, normal, overheat, E-stop signal
[23:12:49] <Just_pink> normal - nothing
[23:13:34] <Just_pink> over heat go to the yellow, E-stop - kill the power, and power up the red
[23:18:01] <Just_pink> basiclay it is smater than that
[23:18:20] <XXCoder> just be sure not to "crowd" light status, for example 3 different status for one light status
[23:30:57] <Just_pink> XXCoder:
http://pastebin.com/h2aGNbWB
[23:31:35] <XXCoder> solid red for running?
[23:35:16] <Just_pink> http://pastebin.ca/3075263
[23:35:27] <Just_pink> maybe now it will work?
[23:35:40] <Just_pink> XXCoder: ^
[23:35:53] <XXCoder> yeah looks ok
[23:37:02] <Just_pink> I can make several types of melodies / beeps for it..
[23:37:28] <XXCoder> use metal rock as normal running. it IS cutting metal. ;)
[23:37:29] <XXCoder> joking
[23:38:07] <Just_pink> ode to joy for finish part, vivaldi storm for error
[23:38:25] <Just_pink> I'm sure elmo drives will like the idea
[23:38:45] <XXCoder> probably. dunno, don't really know music :)
[23:39:45] <XXCoder> geeeez
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-high-quality-UNO-R3-MEGA328P-CH340G-for-Arduino-Compatible-NO-USB-CABLE/32247080125.html
[23:39:46] <Just_pink> in elmo every series line of product have music instrument name
[23:39:51] <XXCoder> not even 3 bucks
[23:40:33] <Just_pink> I dont like the uno.
[23:40:38] <Just_pink> nano is cute.
[23:42:19] <Just_pink> what do you think about manage the signal error also over SCADA?
[23:42:38] <Just_pink> over kill or nice idea?
[23:43:09] <XXCoder> I don't know, dont even know what scada is :)
[23:43:45] <Just_pink> better not to know..
[23:44:17] <XXCoder> lol ok
[23:44:49] <Just_pink> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCADA
[23:45:44] <XXCoder> interesting
[23:45:50] <Just_pink> yes.
[23:50:42] <Just_pink> I have old style door bell.. with very nice coils in it.. all the time I'm think about it as a potential sink EDM
[23:50:59] <Just_pink> XXCoder: ^
[23:51:25] <XXCoder> lol
[23:51:47] <XXCoder> make sure it sounds different from your door bell ;)
[23:54:52] <Just_pink> I want to make sink holes for nuts in aluminum. and EDM is rally the coolest way to do it.
[23:55:04] <Just_pink> really*
[23:56:01] <Just_pink> XXCoder: you know how to do OR gate in arduino?
[23:56:14] <XXCoder> i still don't own a arduino
[23:56:26] <Just_pink> do you want nano?
[23:56:54] <XXCoder> dunno, but right now I am waiting for CHiP a complete computer on small board
[23:56:57] <XXCoder> got it for $9
[23:57:05] <XXCoder> theyre shipping in NOV I think
[23:57:29] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer
[23:57:52] <Just_pink> it's nice..
[23:58:11] <XXCoder> yeah. mine will be just basic CHiP. my bro got the pocket one
[23:58:17] <Just_pink> but get arduino.. very easy and a-lot od doc in the net.
[23:58:52] <XXCoder> yeah. I do have projector I can't wait to use with CHiP! :D
[23:59:03] <XXCoder> eyeclops one lol it was junk but useful junk
[23:59:25] <XXCoder> one thing I want to do is upgrade its light source
