#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-07-12

[00:00:01] <XXCoder> ah yea I see the problem now
[00:00:12] <XXCoder> hmm
[00:00:40] <furrywolf> you're about 450W short. :)
[00:00:58] <XXCoder> guess im out of router for couple months then
[00:01:08] <XXCoder> my budget is bit pinched for this month and next
[00:01:17] <furrywolf> or wire it to 240, or buy a proper size transformer.
[00:01:33] <XXCoder> that or just modify router I do own here
[00:01:41] <XXCoder> problem is its bit hard to modify
[00:02:02] <furrywolf> it's easy to modify... just make an adapter on your router! oh, wait...
[00:02:20] <XXCoder> no, modify would take sawing off bits of router
[00:02:29] <XXCoder> parts that hit clamp
[00:02:54] <XXCoder> it has good range of rpm though, from 8k to 12k rpm
[00:03:38] <furrywolf> likely starts at 0 with an external speed control.
[00:04:03] <XXCoder> nah 8k is minium
[00:04:19] <furrywolf> how did you determine this?
[00:04:21] <XXCoder> well besides turn it off lol
[00:04:30] <XXCoder> it says so on box, 8k to 12k rpm
[00:04:36] <XXCoder> pretty nice bosch router
[00:04:43] <furrywolf> ok... which is why I said "with an external speed control"
[00:04:53] <furrywolf> as in "plugging it into another piece of hardware".
[00:04:55] <XXCoder> ok
[00:05:02] <XXCoder> wonder how pete is doing
[00:05:13] <XXCoder> brb a sec
[00:05:31] <furrywolf> like http://www.harborfreight.com/router-speed-control-43060.html
[00:08:42] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: do you have shiny parts yet? I need to go to bed. :)
[00:09:10] <PetefromTn_> LOL don't wait on me man... They are in the sealer bath right now
[00:09:33] <PetefromTn_> honestly when I put them in the bath a bunch of dye came off like it did before so I am kinda not too hopeful right now
[00:09:48] <PetefromTn_> will know in about ten minutes after the bath is done
[00:10:02] <PetefromTn_> I let them dry for a good long time to make sure the dye dried off completely
[00:10:15] <XXCoder> is sealant hot?
[00:10:20] <XXCoder> if I recall it needs to be hot
[00:10:22] <PetefromTn_> yeah 200 plus
[00:10:30] <XXCoder> no problem then i guess
[00:10:46] <PetefromTn_> it is boiling sometimes as my hot plate clicks on and off maintaining temp
[00:11:36] <PetefromTn_> overall this has been a pretty miserable experience today
[00:11:52] <PetefromTn_> at least if the parts turned out nice it would be worth it LOL
[00:11:59] <PetefromTn_> but I am kinda doubtful right now
[00:12:01] <XXCoder> indeed
[00:12:10] <PetefromTn_> dunno where I will go from here if it does not work
[00:12:12] <XXCoder> maybe it will be fine
[00:12:21] <PetefromTn_> the only thing I can think of trying is two things
[00:12:30] <PetefromTn_> one to just try it with a damn car battery
[00:12:52] <furrywolf> " US $524.00 / piece " "Shipping:
[00:12:53] <furrywolf> US $718.94 / piece"
[00:12:54] <PetefromTn_> and two to try some rit dye after anodizing the part instead of the solvent dye and make a hot bath with DI water
[00:13:11] <furrywolf> ... "let's stick half the product cost in the shipping box so it shows up earlier in searches!"
[00:14:55] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: some things to try might be more/fewer washing steps, longer "cooking" (leave it in all day!), different dye or dye concentration, umm...
[00:15:01] <PetefromTn_> my cathode plates sure look like they have been thru the ringer
[00:15:14] <PetefromTn_> they are really dark grey where they were in the acid
[00:15:39] <PetefromTn_> and the screws I used to secure the wires to them have corrosion all over them.
[00:15:42] <PetefromTn_> nasty shit
[00:15:55] <furrywolf> yep
[00:15:57] <furrywolf> keep fingers out.
[00:16:09] <XXCoder> furrywolf: http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=24709
[00:16:16] <PetefromTn_> I believe I washed and etched the parts adequately
[00:16:18] <XXCoder> you can see two parts
[00:16:32] <XXCoder> the smaller shaft is 43mm and would fit
[00:16:44] <PetefromTn_> and I rinsed the parts after the anodizing bath as well as sprayed them off with damn near a whole bottle of DI water
[00:18:15] <furrywolf> by shaft you mean the aluminum bearing housing?
[00:18:38] <XXCoder> the smaller part, between general housing and the chuck
[00:18:43] <furrywolf> I find letting the dye dry thickly on the surface to be a little odd...
[00:19:20] <furrywolf> how much longer to seal them? :)
[00:24:03] <PetefromTn_> Okay folks... another miserable failure
[00:24:31] <CaptHindsight> what happened this time?
[00:24:40] <PetefromTn_> the same thing
[00:24:47] <PetefromTn_> streaky grey parts
[00:24:50] <PetefromTn_> voids
[00:25:13] <PetefromTn_> looks like crap basically
[00:25:15] <CaptHindsight> same place or random other areas?
[00:25:36] <PetefromTn_> random for the most part
[00:25:52] <PetefromTn_> one of the parts seemed to take the dye better than the other..
[00:26:14] <PetefromTn_> I wiped them both down with acetone after I took them out of the sealer to get the excess dye off of them
[00:26:30] <PetefromTn_> lots of dye came off on the rag one one not so much on the other
[00:27:07] <PetefromTn_> I THINK the one that took it better was the one I have done three times now
[00:27:14] <CaptHindsight> did one part stay in the anodize tank longer than the other?
[00:27:18] <XXCoder> from what I learned from videos its usually acetone, lye to clean parts, then distalled water, the anodize opart, distalled, dip and wait in dye
[00:27:20] <PetefromTn_> no
[00:27:33] <XXCoder> take out, distalled water again, then hot water to seal
[00:28:29] <XXCoder> not too sure on lye part, only one vieo had that
[00:29:03] <furrywolf> got a picture?
[00:29:05] <CaptHindsight> who knows what you power supply is doing
[00:29:13] <CaptHindsight> I'd fix that first
[00:29:26] <CaptHindsight> you/your
[00:29:27] <furrywolf> or just leave it in all day
[00:29:33] <furrywolf> make sure it's done.
[00:29:54] <CaptHindsight> but in a pinch I'd try using a battery charger tomorrow
[00:30:38] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/jxmK434.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qDtHiMk.jpg
[00:31:18] <CaptHindsight> very close
[00:31:27] <furrywolf> is your dye mixed with the right solvent at the right concentration?
[00:31:34] <PetefromTn_> close to what...quitting? ;)
[00:31:53] <PetefromTn_> the dye is as delivered
[00:32:13] <PetefromTn_> just shook it a little and poured it out of the bottle into my little trough
[00:32:41] <PetefromTn_> to be honest today has been one unfortunate thing after another
[00:33:21] <PetefromTn_> really disappointed with the results and disappointed I did not have the cash to buy a better power supply
[00:33:25] <furrywolf> the whole thick-layer-of-dye-needing-to-be-wiped-off thing seems weird... like either the dye needs to be thinned, or there's a rinse step between dye and seal rather than dry...
[00:33:45] <CaptHindsight> spots are usually contamination from one step to another
[00:34:02] <PetefromTn_> I don't see how I could have contaminated it
[00:34:21] <PetefromTn_> I cleaned and sprayed it really good between steps and even rinsed it in a bath
[00:34:31] <furrywolf> etch, put back in the anodizing tank, go to bed. take out tomorrow, after it's been cooking 8 hours. :)
[00:34:45] <PetefromTn_> I also never physically touched anything but the top of the TI wire hook where it attaches to the rack rail
[00:35:02] <furrywolf> did you use compressed air again?
[00:35:16] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf I would love to but I would be afraid this POS would burst into flames while I sleep and burn my house down
[00:35:33] <PetefromTn_> no I did not use compressed air this time
[00:35:33] <CaptHindsight> bbl
[00:35:42] <PetefromTn_> I used a blow dryer
[00:35:46] <PetefromTn_> Cya Capt
[00:35:52] <PetefromTn_> thanks for the assistance
[00:35:57] <furrywolf> hrmm, so not carryover from air compressor crankcase oil...
[00:36:04] <PetefromTn_> naah
[00:36:16] * furrywolf has had that happen with paint spray guns, and it's most annoying.
[00:36:50] <XXCoder> wanna know whats weird
[00:36:51] <PetefromTn_> I honestly have no idea what is wrong with this process
[00:37:00] <XXCoder> my router dont have controls for changing rpm
[00:37:04] <PetefromTn_> I have tried to follow all the online descriptions
[00:37:16] <furrywolf> try cooking for 4+ hours next time. also confirm with capt that the dye was supplied ready-to-use and not in need of thinning with solvent.
[00:37:23] <furrywolf> for now.. bbl. past wolfy bedtime.
[00:37:28] <PetefromTn_> I gotta throw in the towel here tonight
[00:37:43] <PetefromTn_> maybe I will try again tomorrow but I dunno at this point
[00:37:46] <PetefromTn_> later
[00:40:59] <XXCoder> oh found it
[01:05:39] <os1r1s> Any gladevcp experts around?
[01:33:30] <pcb_maker> good evening
[01:56:58] <pcb_maker> hi mikegg
[01:57:10] <os1r1s> pcb_maker: Evening. Made anymore LED throwies?
[01:58:05] <pcb_maker> no, but I'm working on the electrical panel,
[01:58:42] <XXCoder> hey
[01:58:59] <pcb_maker> I'm almost finish with the drivers mount
[02:23:19] <Deejay> moin
[02:23:23] <pcb_maker> hi XXCoder Deejay MrHindsight
[02:23:45] <Deejay> hi there :)
[02:29:32] <pcb_maker> sometime I'm soo sloow with solidworks.
[02:30:16] <pcb_maker> I need to make a space for 77 terminal blocks.
[02:41:08] <pcb_maker> what is the recommended distance between the din rail to the wire duct?
[02:45:19] <pcb_maker> hi nofxx
[02:46:19] <pcb_maker> someone know where I can finde 3d model for the C10 board?
[02:50:06] <archivist> what is a C10 board
[02:53:19] <archivist> often dont need full models when creating something as a one off
[02:55:15] <pcb_maker> this is the brakeout board
[02:55:57] <pcb_maker> I can do it as a box.. but i like to make stuff realistic
[02:56:01] <archivist> never needed to model the breakout, just wire it
[02:56:35] <pcb_maker> I'm desigen the new panel
[02:57:12] <pcb_maker> I want it to be like a pro.
[02:57:28] <archivist> place real items on a panel, drill, wire
[02:57:38] <pcb_maker> NO!
[02:58:00] <archivist> its....quicker
[02:58:21] <archivist> and be as pretty
[02:58:29] <pcb_maker> this is not the right way to make a panel for 5 drivers and 36 cable glands..
[02:59:15] <pcb_maker> and about 20 temp sensors..
[02:59:45] <pcb_maker> 4 voltages
[02:59:59] <pcb_maker> 5 12 72 110
[03:00:06] <archivist> just placed is how this one started out http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_01_05_cnc_build_start/P1050048.JPG
[03:00:50] <pcb_maker> very nice
[03:01:06] <pcb_maker> my is about 10 times bigger
[03:01:08] <archivist> just rebuilding it at the moment as it ended up at 5 axis
[03:02:02] <pcb_maker> now i have 4 motors but just 3 connect to tha machine
[03:02:15] <pcb_maker> and 4 drivers
[03:02:36] <pcb_maker> but place for 5 drivers with heat sinks for 5 drivers
[03:03:44] <pcb_maker> now I'm working on the panels for the brakeout bord so I can mout tham also on the din rail..
[03:05:33] <archivist> that may be better off the din so the socket can be through the case
[03:10:17] <pcb_maker> what so you mean by "the socket can be through the case"
[03:10:37] <archivist> the parallel port connector
[03:11:09] <pcb_maker> it is an option...
[03:11:21] <pcb_maker> but i dint know how much i like it.
[03:12:10] <archivist> that is why that is off my new version, it is ready to be fixed into the case after I make the holes
[03:13:51] <pcb_maker> I'm going to take M>F connector ans make it on the plate and than to thake LPT cable from it to the board
[03:14:53] <archivist> with molded on connectors its hard to get the cable through the case nicely
[03:15:47] <pcb_maker> but i have soooo many thing in the control panel..
[03:16:07] <pcb_maker> it is 4 by 2 by 1 foot
[03:16:49] <pcb_maker> so it is much easyer to put the C10 in the place and make a cble for it..
[03:16:50] <archivist> I am fitting mine in about 3x2x1
[03:17:24] <pcb_maker> also very nice size!
[03:18:45] <archivist> unfortunately the case I have has some silly wall mount brackets welded on, dunno if the angle grinder is going to get used yet
[03:23:45] <pcb_maker> it's new?
[03:28:33] <archivist> no came from a microwave cell phone repeater station, so made to keep the stuff dry internally
[03:31:19] <pcb_maker> http://i.imgur.com/CIHiZfH.png
[03:31:56] <pcb_maker> this is how I'm thinking o mount the brakeout borad
[03:32:40] <pcb_maker> hope it will work for you..
[03:33:20] <pcb_maker> archivist: ^
[03:33:51] <Deejay> nice nails
[03:33:57] <pcb_maker> os1r1s: ^
[03:36:04] <pcb_maker> Deejay: thanks, I hate the sharp edges on the machine, parallels, wise and other stuff, and everything is so heavy
[03:36:24] <Deejay> :)
[03:37:02] <pcb_maker> hopefully i will finish the wiring and they will not brake.
[03:39:22] <pcb_maker> sometimes, I'm thinking why I need it, it so dirty (the oil, grease and chips) and make me so many injuries, so really, why I need it??
[03:39:58] <pcb_maker> but sometime is fun..
[03:40:07] <pcb_maker> Deejay: ?
[03:41:02] <pcb_maker> archivist: ?
[03:49:30] <Deejay> hehe
[03:49:32] <Deejay> yes, indeed
[03:49:48] <Deejay> but only people who don't do anything have no injuries ;)
[03:50:06] <pcb_maker> true..
[03:50:37] <pcb_maker> what stuff do you do?
[03:51:12] <pcb_maker> Deejay:
[03:53:19] <Deejay> hehe, different... everything that has do be done ;)
[03:53:45] <Deejay> including making PCBs (and milling prototypes of them)
[03:54:03] <pcb_maker> Deejay: I mean cnc related..
[03:55:02] <Deejay> hm, not that much. build my own little cnc mill
[03:55:10] <Deejay> only using for hobby stuff
[03:55:39] <pcb_maker> me too but I have the G0704..
[03:55:54] <Deejay> making some xmas goodies from wood, or make boxes, engrave signs... mill pcb prototypes...
[03:56:27] <Deejay> but i use my cnc not very often
[03:56:46] <pcb_maker> I'm almost every day.
[03:57:02] <Deejay> for what? making pcbs all the time?
[03:57:04] <pcb_maker> I LOVE solidworks, so i make stuff.
[03:57:18] <Deejay> is your job cnc-concerned?
[03:57:22] <pcb_maker> no.. It's just a nick..
[03:57:27] <Deejay> i see
[03:57:32] <pcb_maker> no. total hobby..
[03:57:36] <Deejay> nice
[03:57:49] <Deejay> so what do you make on your cnc all the time?
[03:58:12] <pcb_maker> now I make the parts for the new panel
[03:58:20] <pcb_maker> I can show you
[03:59:47] <pcb_maker> one sec
[03:59:56] <pcb_maker> I will tke a pic for you
[04:00:04] <Deejay> yeah
[04:02:09] <pcb_maker> no nails this time :)
[04:02:37] <Deejay> hehe
[04:04:36] <pcb_maker> http://i.imgur.com/0eDIYhk.png
[04:05:43] <Deejay> nice
[04:05:45] <pcb_maker> and this is from the back
[04:06:03] <pcb_maker> http://i.imgur.com/ArlVAjY.png
[04:07:19] <Deejay> what are the two empty slots for?
[04:07:31] <Deejay> rotary axis?
[04:08:03] <pcb_maker> I have 4 drivers and 4 motors, but I've just connect 3 axis
[04:08:59] <pcb_maker> so it is just 200-300$ to upgrade to 5 motors and drivers, and it fit vey nice in the canel
[04:09:09] <pcb_maker> so I make the place for it.
[04:09:12] <Deejay> ah, reserved for future use ;)
[04:10:12] <archivist> pcb_maker, just looking for my CF card reader
[04:10:26] <pcb_maker> yes, servo spindle..
[04:10:45] <pcb_maker> archivist: what do you mean ?
[04:11:04] <pcb_maker> servo spindle.. + 4 axis = dream.
[04:11:09] <archivist> I just tool a picture of my panel
[04:11:13] <archivist> took
[04:11:34] <pcb_maker> hoo
[04:13:12] <pcb_maker> Deejay: you finish to build your machine?
[04:13:45] <pcb_maker> http://i.imgur.com/BBBXF5c.png
[04:13:50] <pcb_maker> solidworks :)
[04:15:00] <pcb_maker> hi asdfasd
[04:15:12] <Deejay> pcb_maker, well, mostly, yes... for my hobby stuff, it fulfills my needs ;)
[04:16:41] <Deejay> but only 3 axes and a kress 'spindle'
[04:17:01] <pcb_maker_> its kik me out.
[04:17:17] <pcb_maker_> I've missed something?
[04:17:31] <Deejay> ?
[04:18:06] <pcb_maker_> the IRC close the connection, so I've reset the page.
[04:18:59] <Deejay> ah, ups
[04:19:01] <Deejay> [10:52] <Deejay> pcb_maker, well, mostly, yes... for my hobby stuff, it fulfills my needs ;)
[04:19:23] <Deejay> nothing else
[04:20:03] <pcb_maker_> the kress is noisy??
[04:20:11] <Deejay> yes, it is :(
[04:20:16] <Deejay> using ear plugs must the time
[04:20:24] <Deejay> but my vacuum cleaner is even louder :-/
[04:21:04] <Deejay> *most
[04:21:27] <just_pink> now i have anorml nick..
[04:21:28] <Deejay> pink nails :D
[04:21:36] <just_pink> yes..
[04:21:46] <just_pink> you really like nails :)
[04:23:28] <just_pink> I have quarter of a ton cnc machine inside the house, but you like the pink nails much more,
[04:23:44] <Deejay> lol
[04:24:06] <archivist> only one cnc indoors?
[04:24:46] <just_pink> not enough??
[04:25:03] <Deejay> the trend is going to secondary machine ;)
[04:25:14] <just_pink> nooo.
[04:25:28] <archivist> panel rewire, on bench tested ready for drilling and placing http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2015/2015_cnc_panel_rewire/IMG_1934.JPG
[04:25:30] <just_pink> maybe lathe
[04:25:58] <archivist> erm 3 :) lathe, mill and hobbing machine
[04:26:31] <Deejay> archivist, somewhat large, your picture... loads line by line here :/
[04:27:06] <archivist> coming up an adsl line
[04:27:10] <XXCoder> arch usually upload huge pics heh
[04:27:23] <just_pink> same here,
[04:27:23] <XXCoder> not as bad as some others like zee
[04:27:34] <just_pink> but it is look very nice.
[04:27:38] <archivist> as they come off the camera, all teh detail and worts
[04:27:46] <just_pink> Like the pacard bell screen
[04:28:27] <just_pink> what is the small key pad on the dark gray thing?
[04:29:12] <just_pink> archivist: ?
[04:29:15] <archivist> that is the VFD it has a keypad for manual use
[04:29:53] <just_pink> you have a servo spindle?
[04:30:08] <just_pink> or just speed control?
[04:30:26] <archivist> not a servo spindle just a normal 3phase motor
[04:30:45] <just_pink> you are from the us?
[04:30:51] <archivist> UK
[04:31:07] <just_pink> you are luky.
[04:31:51] <just_pink> here yiu have just 2 110V or 4X110 = 2 220
[04:32:46] <archivist> that vfd is 240 single phase in and 220 3 phase out
[04:33:26] <archivist> domestic properties here are on single phase
[04:34:13] <just_pink> :(
[04:35:11] <just_pink> did you see that?
[04:35:11] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/BBBXF5c.png
[04:35:28] <archivist> vfd is a good all round fix, variable speed, remote control, and three phase out
[04:35:54] <archivist> yes I did see it
[04:37:18] <just_pink> you can do tapping with it?
[04:37:31] <archivist> my case is the heatsink, your cable trunking may obstruct the airflow
[04:38:23] <archivist> tapping and hobbing will be added when the spindle feedback is finished
[04:39:37] <just_pink> there is 5 fans and the heatsink is go thru the back of the panel
[04:39:46] <archivist> but that is not the only way of threading on a mill http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=thread+milling
[04:41:04] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/GF2mj9w.png
[04:41:42] <archivist> 5 fans? noisy
[04:42:05] <just_pink> not
[04:42:28] <just_pink> not that noisy. it on the back..
[04:42:41] <archivist> you may not need fans at all on those
[04:43:40] <just_pink> there is 4" between the fan and the wall. and also i have temp sensors everywhere.. so i can manage it..
[04:53:24] <just_pink> hi
[09:04:42] <os1r1s> archivist: Have you customized your display with gladevcp?
[09:06:51] <archivist> I used the simple one it comes with, it can be kick started in stepconf then edited
[09:09:31] <os1r1s> Damn
[09:09:52] <os1r1s> I'm was running into issues customizing mine.
[09:11:11] <archivist> takes a little effort getting any of them working right I think, just ask better questions about the real problem
[09:28:39] <os1r1s> Well, I'm trying to use the HAL_DRO object, but its not updating properly.
[09:28:56] <os1r1s> I can use the DRO combo box and it works fine. But the HAL_DRO doesn't update.
[09:32:14] <os1r1s> I can make the normal labels and leds respond with no problem. Buttons are easy. But these simply aren't updating. Any thoughts archivist?
[09:32:36] <archivist> not connected properly
[09:33:00] <os1r1s> archivist: What pin/signal represents the DROs in the HAL?
[09:33:16] <archivist> dont forget some cannot be connected until postgui
[09:33:23] <os1r1s> I can build a net, but can't find which variable to link it to
[09:33:35] <os1r1s> I'm doing them in postgui
[09:33:51] <archivist> use halshow to see what is available
[09:34:27] <os1r1s> Thats what was using for my LEDs and labels, but I can only find the tool offsets listed there.
[09:34:49] <os1r1s> I can't find the fixture or world coordinates listed. (Even though they are in the DRO combo)
[09:40:00] <mozmck> os1r1s: I've used HAL_DROs without any problem.
[09:40:19] <os1r1s> mozmck: Do you connect them to a net in the hal?
[09:40:40] <mozmck> no, I don't think they export a pin
[09:41:15] <os1r1s> And yours update properly? Hmm ....
[09:41:34] <mozmck> In glade you set the Joint Number, and the Reference Type
[09:42:18] <archivist> too many guis error :)
[09:42:35] <os1r1s> Ok, I did both of those. i have it in a table. Does that matter? I trust it doesnt' need to be a HAL_TABLE
[09:43:13] <mozmck> No, I have mine in an hbox inside a vbox
[09:43:39] <os1r1s> hmm
[09:44:28] <mozmck> There is also an option for Actual Position (vs commanded) - I don't know how it acts if that is set to No
[09:45:10] <os1r1s> Let me check that
[09:47:31] <os1r1s> mozmck: That was it
[09:47:46] <os1r1s> mozmck: It needed to be commanded vs actual. Actual doesn't update ...
[09:48:21] <os1r1s> mozmck: Thank you. One more question. How can you do a toggle that executes two different Gcodes for on vs off?
[09:54:50] <mozmck> os1r1s: well that's odd, because I have mine set to actual
[09:55:33] <mozmck> Maybe the actual is tied to feedback somehow and your feedback is not showing the position change? I'm not quite sure how that works.
[09:55:34] <os1r1s> mozmck: Could it be a servo/stepper thing? Without encoders maybe actual isn't updated?
[09:55:58] <mozmck> I use steppers, so no encoders on my setup.
[09:56:02] <os1r1s> Hmm
[09:56:08] <mozmck> But it updates in sim just fine as well.
[09:56:31] <mozmck> What are you trying to turn on and off?
[09:57:06] <os1r1s> Ok, scratch that. Both work. The failure last night was in a table. Let me see if that is what breaks it
[09:57:30] <mozmck> hmm, I don't know what might cause that offhand.
[09:59:45] <os1r1s> Well crap. That's working too. I don't know what I did last night that caused it to stop. It seems to be working properly now.
[10:02:21] <os1r1s> mozmck: Do you happen to know how to make a toggle button send a a different gcode for enable/disable?
[10:02:44] <mozmck> enable/disable what?
[10:03:00] <os1r1s> mozmck: I want one button that will turn on Mist or turn it off.
[10:03:13] <mozmck> Are you using axis?
[10:03:13] <os1r1s> But I need to send an M7 to enable, or an M9 to disable
[10:03:16] <os1r1s> Yeah
[10:03:38] <mozmck> If you have Mist connected in HAL I think there should be a checkbox in Axis for it.
[10:05:06] <os1r1s> mozmck: Ahh, yep. I do see it. I don't have it connected in my sim. Thanks!
[10:05:42] <mozmck> Mine is connected like this: net coolant-mist iocontrol.0.coolant-mist hm2_7i92.0.gpio.005.out
[10:06:16] <mozmck> I made a custom GUI and I did make a toggle button for Mist, but it is much easier to use what is there if you are using Axis :)
[10:07:21] <os1r1s> I want to make a tab for probing next.
[10:08:11] <os1r1s> So if you call that iocontrol you can toggle it on and off? Or you had to do something more elaborate in the handler.py?
[10:36:39] <os1r1s> Man, the flexibility in linuxcnc completes stomps the shit out of mach3
[10:36:53] <furrywolf> yes
[10:36:59] <os1r1s> After having used mach3 for the past 2-3 years, this is fcking awesome
[10:37:22] <mozmck> os1r1s: yes, I did it in the handler.py
[10:37:59] <mozmck> My GUI is based on Gscreen so I used some functions in that, but you should be able to do it without those pretty easily.
[10:38:22] <os1r1s> mozmck: Can you share your handler.py?
[10:39:21] <mozmck> Not right now, and I'm afraid it would not be much help, but hold on...
[10:43:16] <mozmck> os1r1s: are you using 2.6.x ?
[10:46:21] <os1r1s> mozmck: Yah. 2.64 in my sim. 2.6.8 on my real machine
[10:46:33] <mozmck> ok
[10:59:09] <mozmck> os1r1s: here is an (untested) handler for a mist togglebutton named 'mist-button'
[10:59:11] <mozmck> http://pastie.org/10288198
[11:00:49] <mozmck> bbl
[11:11:42] <os1r1s> mozmck: Awesome. Thx!
[11:12:38] <os1r1s> Is there a good way to force an axis to be homed, but still keep it defined as a pin?
[11:59:52] <archivist> are you confused, "the homed state" is not the same a pin definition
[12:01:45] <os1r1s> archivist: I want to simulate a pin getting tripped without it being plugged in
[12:02:25] <os1r1s> So simulate a probe getting hit or a homing switch getting tripped
[12:03:13] <zeeshan> cant you setp it
[12:03:15] <zeeshan> in halcmd?
[12:03:30] <os1r1s> zeeshan: I want to trip it from the gui while I'm testing
[12:03:48] <zeeshan> associate the button wit hthe pin?
[12:04:04] <os1r1s> So I want to click a button and have it think it hit the home switch
[12:04:12] <os1r1s> (for X for example)
[12:04:13] <archivist> connect the knee bone to the thigh bone....
[12:04:32] <os1r1s> archivist: Are you following what I'm trying to do?
[12:05:01] <archivist> yes just connect buttons to pins if you wish
[12:05:30] <zeeshan> os1r1s: what gui are you using
[12:05:31] <zeeshan> glade?
[12:05:36] <os1r1s> zeeshan: axis + glade
[12:05:48] <os1r1s> archivist: Ok, I'll try that. Thx
[12:09:12] <Jesseg> What's the point of G28 in a program? Is it supposed to re-calibrate (i.e. bump the limit switches) and re-find home, or does it just go to that position before going on to the first point on the job?
[12:09:54] <zeeshan> its just a predefined position
[12:09:58] <zeeshan> i use it for tool changes
[12:10:10] <zeeshan> its one position where i know there will be no crashes and i can easily change my tool
[12:10:12] <zeeshan> so instead of going
[12:10:17] <zeeshan> g0 x y z
[12:10:19] <zeeshan> you just go g28
[12:10:41] <zeeshan> and its always an absolute position
[12:10:48] <Jesseg> Okay, so I can see having it at the end of a program so when the job is done, tool is in a nice place
[12:11:02] <Jesseg> but why would it be near the top of a program?
[12:11:16] <zeeshan> lets say your program was stopped abruptly
[12:11:20] <zeeshan> cause you noticed it was gonna crash
[12:11:26] <zeeshan> and you modified the line of code at the crash
[12:11:28] <zeeshan> and re-ran the program
[12:11:35] <zeeshan> you wanna move to a safe position..
[12:11:43] <zeeshan> before you start your program
[12:11:52] <zeeshan> it ensures you start from the exact same position every time
[12:12:09] <Jesseg> oh, like re-homing?
[12:12:10] <Jesseg> Thanks!
[12:12:12] <zeeshan> like say 0 0 0 was your g28 position
[12:12:20] <zeeshan> and your next line was 5 0 0
[12:12:28] <archivist> I admit I have never used g28 iirc
[12:12:31] <Jesseg> ohhhh
[12:12:35] <zeeshan> but you crashed at 3,0,0
[12:12:50] <zeeshan> if you restarted your program from 3,0,0 it'd linearly go to 5,0,0
[12:12:54] <zeeshan> maybe crtashing into something
[12:13:01] <zeeshan> rather than going from 0,0,0 to 5,0,0
[12:13:37] <zeeshan> it's not rehoming (maybe you're using homing in a different context)
[12:13:39] <Jesseg> I see what you're saying. if home was z-max then it'd be good to start a program by going z-max before continuing in case the tool was off some place down deep where it'd dig a trench going to the first position
[12:13:55] <zeeshan> exactly!
[12:14:17] <zeeshan> that's how you get nyccnc's chewed up vise
[12:14:22] <zeeshan> :D
[12:14:33] <archivist> my programs have something different because I am backlash chasing,
[12:14:37] <Jesseg> so I guess I'd want G28 to go straight up, then to home position X/Y
[12:19:56] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-hobbies-craft/london/kiln/1072547145?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[12:20:02] <zeeshan> do these kilns not have a temp setting?
[12:21:04] <archivist> depends on use case
[12:22:12] <zeeshan> i wanna heat treat stuff with it
[12:22:15] <zeeshan> these go to 2350F
[12:22:19] <archivist> just add a thermocouple, SSR and a controller
[12:22:44] <zeeshan> i dont want to!
[12:22:51] <zeeshan> too many projects :)
[12:22:57] <archivist> lazy g
[12:23:00] <archivist> :)
[12:23:47] <archivist> although I "may" understand the to many projects problem
[12:25:10] * furrywolf has too many projects, not enough time, not enough money, and now not enough working back muscles
[12:28:15] <os1r1s> zeeshan: I went with an openpid for my kiln
[12:28:42] <os1r1s> It was easy and then I could control it from the profiles from my computer
[12:28:43] <zeeshan> os1r1s: i have a pid controller
[12:28:45] <zeeshan> its work though
[12:28:50] <zeeshan> you gotta make an enclosure
[12:28:54] <zeeshan> mount a ssr in
[12:29:09] <zeeshan> prolly poke a hole for a thermocouple
[12:29:15] <zeeshan> then tune it
[12:29:18] <zeeshan> =/
[12:29:52] <os1r1s> zeeshan: This is mine ... http://gallery.mounicou.com/photos/i-Jvjz9Fm/0/L/i-Jvjz9Fm-L.jpg
[12:30:09] <os1r1s> I use it to control either my reflow over or kiln
[12:30:57] <os1r1s> I use the kiln to heat treat bits
[12:31:05] <zeeshan> nice
[12:31:29] <os1r1s> My kiln is a little paragon firefly I hustled pretty cheap
[12:31:48] <os1r1s> Which is perfect for treating tools
[12:32:14] <furrywolf> my kiln is a torch. I have a bucket of water too! /me is fancy!
[12:32:35] <os1r1s> furrywolf: Its too hard to evenly treat that way
[12:33:28] <archivist> mine is some firebricks kept in place by gravity
[12:36:22] <zeeshan> ah maybe ill pid it
[12:37:07] <os1r1s> Is that the one you own?
[12:37:10] <os1r1s> (The kiln)
[12:37:12] <archivist> I have a sand bath to control how even it is
[12:37:45] * zeeshan doesnt own anything yet
[12:37:58] <zeeshan> i was just thiunking it would be an easy to way to get a heat treat oven
[12:38:54] <os1r1s> zeeshan: This is mine ... http://mounicou.com/kiln.jpg
[12:38:58] <archivist> I am sticking at blue so dont need to go that far
[12:39:05] <zeeshan> oo that is nice
[12:39:09] <zeeshan> nice size too
[12:39:12] <os1r1s> zeeshan: 4x8x8
[12:39:13] <zeeshan> does it weigh like 150lb?
[12:39:23] <os1r1s> zeeshan: No, like 30-50 at the most
[12:39:36] <os1r1s> And uses 110v
[12:39:37] <archivist> is that a big meter or a small kiln
[12:39:38] <zeeshan> i need like 20"x20"
[12:39:42] <zeeshan> rofl archivist
[12:39:46] <zeeshan> i got confused too
[12:40:04] <os1r1s> archivist: Small kiln. That was my test run when I first got it :)
[12:40:16] <os1r1s> But for little bits, it works perfect.
[12:40:27] <archivist> mine is tiny
[12:41:43] <zeeshan> do bricks cost 500bux each or something
[12:41:48] <zeeshan> why are these ovens like 2000$ new
[12:42:13] <os1r1s> zeeshan: The one I posted was $100 used
[12:42:20] <os1r1s> Which was the appeal :)
[12:42:39] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-hobbies-craft/stratford-on/paragon-cone-8-kiln/1084526379?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[12:43:29] <zeeshan> i guess id be buying it for the guts
[12:43:30] <zeeshan> and elements
[12:43:40] <os1r1s> zeeshan: It has an analog control on the side
[12:43:52] <os1r1s> On mine I just left the analog control on high.
[12:45:54] <zeeshan> fak
[12:45:57] <zeeshan> this thing weighs 240lb
[12:46:04] <zeeshan> er
[12:46:06] <zeeshan> 275lbn
[12:46:28] <os1r1s> If I had 220 readily available for the bigger kilns, I might have done that
[12:47:28] <zeeshan> have you tried melting aluminum?
[12:47:28] <zeeshan> :D
[12:47:49] <os1r1s> zeeshan: No. But it does hit 2350F. So I'm pretty sure I can
[12:47:52] <archivist> my bricks were under 30 quid for 8
[12:48:05] <zeeshan> brb
[12:48:10] <zeeshan> you should melt aluminum!
[12:48:10] <zeeshan> :D
[12:48:26] <os1r1s> I have thought about taking machining swarf and melting it back into something usable
[12:49:42] <archivist> open and shut http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=kiln+2015
[12:50:37] <os1r1s> archivist: That's cool
[12:51:27] <archivist> under the alu plate (heat spreader with thermocouple) is the oven hotplate ring
[12:52:08] <archivist> box is "extra"
[12:52:25] <os1r1s> Are there any good examples of toolchanger configs in linuxcnc?
[12:53:05] <archivist> depends if the config is like your needs, else no
[12:53:36] <archivist> look at as many as you can to see which is close
[12:53:49] <os1r1s> archivist: I'm building my own. I'm not sure if I should control it via classicladder, or just rs232.
[12:54:16] <archivist> mine is mandraulic
[12:55:01] <os1r1s> haha
[12:56:08] <furrywolf> lol
[12:58:48] <malcom2073> I have a heat treat oven that I'm going to be using to melt aluminum. Two of the four heaters inside broke through, so I'm working on figuring out how to make my own out of new strings of kanthal wire
[13:01:54] <archivist> having the pid controller has made the job so much easier than it was at the previous job
[13:01:57] <jt-alyeska> Morning
[13:02:23] <_methods> os1r1s: there ya go that's JT you're lookin for
[13:02:33] <archivist> jt swimming with turtles today?
[13:03:58] <jt-alyeska> In the mountains today
[13:06:21] <archivist> gold prospecting?
[13:10:19] <jt-alyeska> Actually this was a gold mine settlement
[13:12:29] <zeeshan> pics
[13:13:05] <zeeshan> http://www.alyeskaresort.com/Alyeska/SiteAssets/images/home_flash/main_hotel_hagephoto.jpg
[13:13:05] <jt-alyeska> The original town that later formed here fell into the mud flats during the '64 earthquake
[13:13:05] <zeeshan> wow
[13:13:30] <jt-alyeska> That's where we are
[13:13:37] <zeeshan> thats gorgeous
[13:13:50] <jt-alyeska> It is
[13:18:54] <furrywolf> eh, other than the ugly hotel, there's plenty of mountains here too. :)
[13:20:13] <jt-alyeska> lol
[13:22:12] <furrywolf> and we can hike in forests like http://ceqaworks.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/iStock_000001174754Small.jpg
[13:22:38] <furrywolf> and beaches like http://redwoods.info/richard/19.CoastalView.jpg
[13:22:39] <furrywolf> :)
[13:23:49] <jt-alyeska> Every time i click on a link i loose the irc
[13:24:38] <furrywolf> fun
[13:25:42] <jt-alyeska> I need an android tablet with a battery life longer than an hour
[13:26:02] * furrywolf sends jt-alyeska a hand-crank generator
[13:27:01] <furrywolf> think the local costco is stupid enough to let me give them a 9ah gelcell as a core for a golfcart battery?
[13:27:41] <furrywolf> I got them to take one as a core for a group 24 marine battery once...
[13:27:44] <os1r1s> jt-alyeska: Thanks fo the tutorials you built for linuxcnc. I used the one for gladvcp (in addition to bother people here) to add tabs and a panel to my axis screen
[13:28:17] <jt-alyeska> Your welcome
[13:33:49] <os1r1s> jt-alyeska: I'm about to begin the ladder logic tutorials next :)
[13:38:10] <furrywolf> LOL! I took apart a car jumpstart battery box thing I got at a yard sale. It has a plug on the back of it that you stick an extension cord into to charge it. the plug... is a wallwart. a standard wallwart strapped to the inside of the housing, with the prongs sticking through.
[13:42:26] <furrywolf> they used a complete wallwart for the charger, but built their own contactor.
[13:47:43] <jt-alyeska> I wonde
[13:48:20] <jt-alyeska> r why it keep disconnecting
[13:49:24] <Nutter> so yeah, I updated to 5924 and I’m getting this crash pretty consistently still
[13:49:54] <Nutter> crashes when I’m right-clicking to edit the reference
[13:50:59] <Nutter> this is OS X and using the touchpad though, as I’m too lazy to switch to a windows or ubuntu box :P
[13:51:19] <_methods> 5924?
[13:51:21] <Nutter> yep
[13:51:27] <_methods> wtf is 5924?
[13:51:54] <Nutter> err haha sorry wrong channel
[13:51:59] <_methods> kk
[13:52:00] <_methods> lol
[13:52:09] * Nutter re-lurks
[13:52:14] <Nutter> ;)
[13:52:14] <_methods> i was like ummmm i'm totally not sure what 5924 is
[13:52:47] <jt-alyeska> I was waiting to see what it was
[13:53:06] <furrywolf> unfortunately, it seems said wallwart is bad... and so is the gelcell in it. bleh.
[13:53:25] * _methods still doesn't know what it is
[13:53:28] <_methods> besides a number
[13:53:36] <furrywolf> it's a cute jumpstart box (most don't have contactors), but probably not worth the effort to replace both the charger and the battery.
[13:57:20] <os1r1s> Does anyone happen to use bobcad that can help me? I need a file ...
[13:59:11] <_methods> sorry don't use it
[13:59:18] <_methods> i think a couple people in here do
[13:59:32] <_methods> it think PetefromTn_ might
[13:59:47] <_methods> or nm i think he uses cambam
[14:00:55] <os1r1s> Their website is broken and I need a post processor for linuxcnc ...
[14:00:58] <os1r1s> :(
[14:04:23] <jt-alyeska> Try a generic fanuc post processor
[14:05:11] <jt-alyeska> I tried bobcrap once
[14:05:38] <zeeshan> bobcrap
[14:05:38] <zeeshan> lol
[14:05:43] <os1r1s> jt-alyeska: Will do. I think I had read that somewhere else. Is that just a rule of thumb that fanuc is close to the standard (or what linuxcnc will use)
[14:05:48] <zeeshan> anyone who has used evapo-rust
[14:05:52] <zeeshan> did you mix it with water
[14:05:55] <zeeshan> it specifically says not to..
[14:06:03] <zeeshan> but just wondering if its gonna hurt it significantly.
[14:07:06] <os1r1s> jt-alyeska: Version 4 for solidworks actually seems to work pretty well. Its no mastercam, but is has good integration and features
[14:10:24] <jt-alyeska> What is evaporust
[14:10:44] <zeeshan> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f10/19323d1264045298-cleaning-rust-dscn9547-800.jpg
[14:10:45] <Tom_itx> jt-alyeska, i see you're roughin it in alaska
[14:10:49] <zeeshan> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f10/19324d1264045298-cleaning-rust-dscn9611-800.jpg
[14:10:53] <zeeshan> before and after jt
[14:12:01] <_methods> evaporust is that rust inhibitor/remover stuff
[14:12:18] <jt-alyeska> Every time i click on a link irc crashes
[14:12:19] <_methods> i've never actually used it
[14:12:40] <zeeshan> lol jt
[14:13:16] <jt-alyeska> Yea its a pia on this tiny tablet
[14:14:02] <_methods> yeah fanuc post processor will get it done for most anything
[14:14:19] <os1r1s> _methods: Cool
[14:14:24] <andypugh> I wish I was better at remembering _where_ I did stuff. I can’t remember if I did the carousel.comp stuff on a VM or one of the PCs that I recently dismantled to get the mill working again.
[14:14:25] <Tom_itx> yeah, the basic functions anyway
[14:14:58] <_methods> i usually start with a basic fanuc post and then edit it to do what i want
[14:14:59] <zeeshan> fanuc works pretty much right out the box for me
[14:15:03] <jt-alyeska> Hi Tom
[14:15:07] <zeeshan> i forgot what i had to change
[14:15:09] <Tom_itx> andypugh didn't you post that comp?
[14:15:14] <Tom_itx> hey jt-alyeska
[14:15:54] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Yes, but I think my own version was further along. But it does mean that I can at least find the comp on the forum and start from there.
[14:16:05] <Tom_itx> oh
[14:17:38] <Tom_itx> how'd PetefromTn_'s final run turn out yesterday?
[14:17:47] <Tom_itx> i think i missed it
[14:18:19] <_methods> no idea he hasn't been on yet that i've seen
[14:18:27] <_methods> didn't go so well last night he was having power issues
[14:18:53] <Tom_itx> ff keeps buggin me to update to ver 39... i think if i wait til tomorrow, 40'll be out
[14:19:03] <_methods> once he got his power supply working correctly it couldn't handle the demand i think
[14:19:28] <Tom_itx> kept overloading?
[14:19:32] <_methods> yeah
[14:19:44] <Tom_itx> or was it just set too high?
[14:19:53] <Tom_itx> and didn't show it
[14:20:07] <_methods> no idea but it looked like he had it set correctly
[14:20:16] <_methods> before it was set too low
[14:20:23] <_methods> and he wasn't getting a good oxide layer
[14:20:43] <Tom_itx> so the low v keeps it from burning?
[14:20:54] <Tom_itx> and the amps make it oxidize quicker?
[14:21:35] <_methods> yeah that's my take on it
[14:21:40] <_methods> like removing rust
[14:21:52] <_methods> but reverse
[14:22:29] <jt-alyeska> 6061 should be done at 15v and 12a ft2 for 1hr
[14:22:31] <renesis> low v just happens because its a low impedance circuit
[14:23:02] <renesis> its current regulated, he should be able to just set current, and have the voltage clamp down to whatever is neccessary to maintain that
[14:23:15] <_methods> until the oxide layer builds up
[14:24:17] <jt-alyeska> The pore size is important
[14:24:24] <renesis> right i would assume that increases the impedance of the part but maybe not the circuit as the wire would be pretty conductive still
[14:25:52] <zeeshan> i was saying last night, its only a hex crystal with a pore in it
[14:25:59] <zeeshan> of nanometer size
[14:26:06] <zeeshan> what could possibly go wrong
[14:26:09] <zeeshan> *sarcasm*
[14:26:10] <zeeshan> :D
[14:26:19] <zeeshan> its pretty cool that it grows like that
[14:34:12] <PetefromTn_> Afternoon linuxCNC
[14:34:30] <PetefromTn_> I see that some of you are wondering about my attempt last night
[14:34:34] <andypugh> Does this collection of error messages look familiar to anyone? http://www.pastebin.ca/3058844
[14:34:39] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately it did not go well again
[14:35:23] <jt-alyeska> What did you get
[14:35:49] <PetefromTn_> I monitored the current via the shunt measurement during the process and the power supply seemed to maintain the 2.1 amps steadily
[14:36:09] <PetefromTn_> the parts came out of the bath looking again smooth and even
[14:36:23] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, did you see jt's comment about current above?
[14:36:58] <PetefromTn_> one of the parts seemed to have taken the current better than the other which I can only contribute to a lesser contact to the wire supporting it
[14:37:21] <PetefromTn_> yes I did but that is not what the 720 rule seems to say
[14:37:58] <PetefromTn_> after dyeing the parts and then sealing them they were only slightly better than the last attempt
[14:38:12] <Tom_itx> i haven't formed an opinion either way but i do believe more current will shorten the bath time
[14:38:21] <Tom_itx> maintaining a low v
[14:38:23] <PetefromTn_> after some disappointment and wondering what is going on last night
[14:38:45] <PetefromTn_> I can only guess what is happening to cause the bad finish
[14:39:07] <PetefromTn_> today I went down to the wal mart and picked up some water based rit dye in black
[14:39:11] <PetefromTn_> and some more DI water
[14:39:17] <Tom_itx> your supply won't do more than 2ish amps?
[14:39:17] <jt-alyeska> From what ive read the 720 rule was developed by caswell for low power hobby anodizing
[14:39:35] <andypugh> What sort of wire are the parts connected with?
[14:39:42] <PetefromTn_> and I am planning to try to do the same thing only this time using a rit dye heated bath
[14:40:14] <_Sync_> neat, scored a lehmann rotary unit
[14:40:15] <PetefromTn_> the parts are suspended with Ti wire
[14:40:36] <andypugh> OK, that is what my local anodiser uses, so should be the right thing.
[14:41:19] <jt-alyeska> Talk later going exploring
[14:41:28] <Tom_itx> have fun
[14:48:30] <_Sync_> http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/lehmann.jpg
[14:54:18] <andypugh> _Sync_: Loks useful
[14:55:37] <_Sync_> andypugh: remotely, it still has preload
[14:55:52] <_Sync_> gotta repair the bellows coupling tho
[14:56:34] <_Sync_> apparently 54:1 ratio and 12arcsec indexing accuracy
[15:34:20] <zeeshan> hi
[15:34:35] <zeeshan> i want that servo!
[15:37:25] <PetefromTn_> Okay just put some more cookies on
[15:37:28] <CaptHindsight> 0.00333333333 degrees
[15:37:44] <PetefromTn_> this time I am going double the amperage on a single part
[15:38:41] <PetefromTn_> setting up a black rit dye bath with the same sealer.
[15:38:50] <PetefromTn_> who knows what will work here
[15:39:05] <CaptHindsight> X X
[15:39:15] <CaptHindsight> fingers crossed lol
[15:39:36] <PetefromTn_> I am out of other ideas man.
[15:39:50] <CaptHindsight> it takes a bit of testing
[15:40:12] <CaptHindsight> other people have gotten no oxide on their first attempt
[15:40:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah but this is my FIFTH attempt heh
[15:40:42] <_methods> are you doing a desmut bath too?
[15:40:46] <CaptHindsight> I had someone come from India once that brought aluminum sheet with that they could anodize
[15:41:03] <PetefromTn_> yeah desmut/lye bath is done
[15:41:07] <CaptHindsight> ends up it wasn't aluminum sheet :)
[15:41:09] <PetefromTn_> that stuff is crazy powerful
[15:41:21] <CaptHindsight> they couldn't anodize
[15:41:32] <PetefromTn_> just a couple seconds and all the old anodizing comes off in sheets
[15:41:42] <zeeshan> lol CaptHindsight
[15:41:42] <PetefromTn_> that would suck
[15:42:16] <CaptHindsight> I still have the sheet. I'm not sure what mystery metal it is
[15:42:25] <PetefromTn_> unbotanium
[15:42:27] <zeeshan> send me a piece
[15:42:32] <zeeshan> ill mass spectrometer it
[15:42:42] <_methods> spaceship parts
[15:43:01] <_methods> aliens man
[15:43:31] <XXCoder> heys
[15:43:40] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: hows it so far
[15:45:23] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/EjKMccG.jpg
[15:45:28] <zeeshan> finally bolted to a heatsink
[15:45:29] <zeeshan> :D
[15:45:43] <PetefromTn_> miserable :O
[15:46:46] <XXCoder> suck hope your 5th goes better
[15:47:20] <PetefromTn_> we shall see
[15:47:33] <PetefromTn_> if this does not work I am ripping the damn battery from the car LOL
[15:47:45] <XXCoder> heh
[15:54:29] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: it's some low aluminum content alloy
[15:55:38] <CaptHindsight> from the local sheet metal supplier just outside Bangalor near Electronics City
[16:02:50] <zeeshan> ah
[16:04:46] <CaptHindsight> so buy elsewhere :)
[16:10:19] <CaptHindsight> _methods: you're right it's much more calm in here now
[16:10:25] <_methods> hahah
[16:10:38] <_methods> indeed
[16:10:57] <CaptHindsight> some people confuse IRC with twitter
[16:11:15] <_methods> i should have put the /ignore on a long time ago
[16:11:39] <PetefromTn_> who me? ;)
[16:11:44] <_methods> no not you
[16:12:08] <PetefromTn_> whew
[16:12:08] <_methods> you bring something to the table
[16:12:11] <_methods> lol
[16:12:16] <PetefromTn_> cheesecake?
[16:12:22] <XXCoder> olviously me heh
[16:12:32] <_methods> mmmmmm chzck
[16:12:54] <_methods> i have some of those m&m ice cream sandwiches in the freezer
[16:13:17] <Deejay> gn8
[16:13:46] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: what are you yapping about?
[16:14:05] <XXCoder> read what methods said heh
[16:14:14] <XXCoder> and yourself
[16:14:50] <XXCoder> twitter well yeah it can be useful, too bad 99% on it is just narrcistic people
[16:15:07] <XXCoder> and still bit wtf over some poop twitters
[16:16:06] <zeeshan> i dont mind people sharing stuff
[16:16:09] <zeeshan> as long as it's interesting
[16:16:17] <zeeshan> like they've hiked 5 miles into the woods and taken a pic
[16:16:23] <zeeshan> not "here is my new clothes"
[16:16:26] <zeeshan> those people can fuck off.. :p
[16:16:40] <XXCoder> "omg I found a white hair" so fucking what
[16:16:43] <PetefromTn_> gasp!
[16:16:44] <zeeshan> lol
[16:16:49] <CaptHindsight> new clothes delivered by aliens!
[16:16:56] <zeeshan> yea those people drive me insane
[16:17:01] <zeeshan> unless you made the damn clothes, fak off
[16:17:05] <XXCoder> aliens dumped sewer on my house!
[16:17:08] <zeeshan> they just wanna show off that they're buying expensive name brand stuff
[16:17:16] <zeeshan> and that they're rich
[16:17:26] <zeeshan> little do they know rich people are laughing at their peasant purchase
[16:17:27] <XXCoder> zeeshan: worse ones are false humaility ones. lemme find example
[16:18:37] <XXCoder> I remember one where guys showing plain clothes and stuff... near 100k car and expensive tool stuff by it
[16:18:48] <XXCoder> suuure humaility
[16:19:29] <CaptHindsight> Twitter is for Twits was my first impression when it started
[16:19:47] <XXCoder> twit ter twits
[16:19:52] <PetefromTn_> Don't even have twitter
[16:19:53] <CaptHindsight> then they went with Tweets
[16:20:01] <CaptHindsight> or it would be too obvious
[16:20:13] <zeeshan> the tools that dont even have a sign of use on them?
[16:20:15] <zeeshan> LOL
[16:20:29] <XXCoder> I do have twitter to follow few good ones, but twitter dont work with password manager so yea not using it since
[16:21:49] <zeeshan> https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11247963_10203239498747668_739188057262242148_n.jpg?oh=12ac02b03e12dccd8721489c6bcec2c1&oe=5613D063
[16:21:51] <zeeshan> pictures like this
[16:22:00] <zeeshan> thats my gf/wife on the right
[16:22:13] <zeeshan> i make fun of her about this
[16:22:36] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: did she know you before the ceremony? :)
[16:22:40] <XXCoder> finally found it
[16:22:41] <_Sync_> zeeshan: it is just a random servo I had oxidizing around
[16:22:44] <XXCoder> humblebrag
[16:25:18] <XXCoder> http://twistedsifter.com/2011/05/funniest-humble-brags-on-twitter/
[16:25:52] <zeeshan> lol
[16:25:57] <zeeshan> @ the i stepped on gum"
[16:26:02] <zeeshan> who spits gum on the red carpet
[16:26:07] <XXCoder> zeeshan: there is worse ones
[16:26:23] <XXCoder> like one who bought 20k to buy montior whichs 350 bucks
[16:26:32] <XXCoder> heard of credit card man??
[16:26:38] <XXCoder> or even debit
[16:26:55] <PetefromTn_> MMMmm Tostito's Zesty bean and cheese dip and a little dab of Salsa Con Queso dip mixed together with some ground beef makes for a damn good tortilla chip dip!!
[16:27:05] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: fatty
[16:27:10] <zeeshan> :D
[16:27:27] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: https://xkcd.com/140/
[16:27:53] <PetefromTn_> be that as it may...
[16:28:20] <zeeshan> lol XXCoder
[16:28:20] <zeeshan> hahaha
[16:28:26] <zeeshan> the loop. i like it
[16:28:37] <XXCoder> yeah xkcd is one of more awesome comics out there
[16:28:50] <XXCoder> funny considering he just draws stick figures
[16:29:27] <zeeshan> atr the end of the day facebook, twitter etc
[16:29:33] <zeeshan> is all about knowing about someones life
[16:29:44] <zeeshan> i rarely go on fb anymore
[16:30:03] <zeeshan> my friends that are real are either on whatsapp or we text or meet each other
[16:30:12] <zeeshan> and ofcourse you guys :-)
[16:30:19] <XXCoder> I use facebook a LOT
[16:30:27] <XXCoder> but mostly to read stuff
[16:32:48] <malcom2073> I read facebook to make myself feel like a better person, which in turn probably makes me a worse person
[16:33:49] <XXCoder> malcom2073: I only have few friends on fb, mainly using as centerized news reader lol
[16:34:06] <XXCoder> but I hate ones where person post "I had worse day" (entire post)
[16:34:14] <XXCoder> surre whatever
[16:34:28] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Just be aware, you're getting a very polarized point of view doing that
[16:34:41] <XXCoder> malcom2073: of course
[16:34:51] <malcom2073> As long as you're aware, it's useful :P
[16:34:53] <XXCoder> all news is biased, even more so on fb
[16:35:10] <XXCoder> in least its not faux news biased
[16:35:29] <malcom2073> Nah, the comments are often a riot though
[16:35:58] <XXCoder> yeah expecially from people who don't know history.
[16:35:59] <zeeshan> wtf
[16:36:02] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/P2160001.jpg
[16:36:08] <zeeshan> i found this bolt in my basement
[16:36:19] <zeeshan> this pic was taken like 10 years ago
[16:36:24] <XXCoder> spocket bolt and nut
[16:36:30] <zeeshan> it still doesnt have rust on it
[16:36:31] <zeeshan> haha
[16:36:37] <XXCoder> greased up
[16:36:43] <zeeshan> yea
[16:36:45] <zeeshan> it looks exactly the same
[16:36:50] <zeeshan> if only i could do this same sorcery
[16:36:51] <XXCoder> lol
[16:36:52] <zeeshan> to my body
[16:36:58] <XXCoder> easy
[16:37:02] * zeeshan puts grease all over self
[16:37:03] <XXCoder> turn to robot
[16:40:16] <renesis> charlize theron w/ greased up forehead was pretty hot
[16:45:03] <PetefromTn_> Charlize Theron with just about anything is pretty hot!
[16:45:27] <XXCoder> wow https://xkcd.com/140/
[16:45:32] <XXCoder> copy fail
[16:45:38] <XXCoder> http://cnc-plus.de/en/Router-Accessories/3D-Digitizer--43mm-CNC-Digitizing-Touch-Probe-Sensor-.html?XTCsid=jkqq3079sdngbu41cb6gd5tlo0
[16:45:42] <XXCoder> this fits my cnc
[16:47:55] <XXCoder> anyway later
[16:58:25] <PetefromTn_> any suggestions on ratio of rit dye to DI water for this bath?
[17:02:32] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, if i were doing this, i would change one variable at a time
[17:02:48] <Tom_itx> now you're amping up the current AND changing dye
[17:03:08] <PetefromTn_> yup reckless I know
[17:03:13] <Tom_itx> still
[17:03:16] <Tom_itx> take good notes
[17:03:18] <PetefromTn_> but I am getting desperate
[17:03:34] <Tom_itx> desperate causes reckless
[17:03:42] <Tom_itx> still be methodical
[17:03:58] <Tom_itx> you WILL get it
[17:04:00] <PetefromTn_> I figure the amperage change is just a way to overcome the power supplies deficiencies
[17:04:15] <PetefromTn_> dunno man so far I am not even close
[17:04:22] <Tom_itx> i think JT had something about the pits
[17:05:00] <PetefromTn_> JT will probably come back from Alaska all refreshed and crank up his anodizing line and kick a home freaking run on his first try.
[17:05:17] <PetefromTn_> I will still be here scratching my head grunting like a primate wondering why it is not workign
[17:05:19] <Tom_itx> be methodical and you can as well
[17:05:37] <PetefromTn_> these changes I am making....call them a gut feeling
[17:05:51] <Tom_itx> i bet the dye is good
[17:05:57] <PetefromTn_> nothing grounded in reality or anything terribly scientific
[17:06:01] <Tom_itx> i bet the anodize layer is too think
[17:06:04] <Tom_itx> thin
[17:06:42] <PetefromTn_> I don't know why it would be too thin I apparently cooked it real hot the first time and as close to accurately regulated as I am able the last time
[17:06:47] <PetefromTn_> neither worked
[17:07:16] <PetefromTn_> any ideas on the rit dye?
[17:07:28] <Tom_itx> i have read nothing on anodizing
[17:07:37] <Tom_itx> just observations here
[17:11:02] <Tom_itx> http://bryanpryor.com/anodizing.php
[17:11:06] <Tom_itx> have you seen that one?
[17:13:39] <PetefromTn_> yeah that looks almost exactly like my cheap power supply heh
[17:15:09] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Elenco-XP605-0-30V-DC-5A-Analog-Power-Supply-/321791921404?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aec4b0cfc
[17:35:42] <tswartz> does anyone know why my spindle speed doesn't show in gmoccapy? it shows fine in the axis display
[17:37:23] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/jrXId66.jpg Not perfect but not far from it...
[17:37:48] <_methods> shit nice
[17:37:52] <_methods> was that the rit dye?
[17:38:02] <PetefromTn_> this was a single part at 2.1 amps for 2.25 hours
[17:38:22] <PetefromTn_> immediately after anodizing tank dunked in a mixture of rit dye and DI water
[17:38:40] <PetefromTn_> then sealed in the caswell plating sealing mixture for fifteen minutes
[17:39:18] <PetefromTn_> I will admit that I put some wd40 on it so it is not really that shiny but as I understand it that is what you are supposed to do to recently anodized parts anyways
[17:39:48] <PetefromTn_> you can kinda tell because I did not try to get it down inside the slots
[17:40:01] <PetefromTn_> this is just off the line not ten minutes ago
[17:40:09] <PetefromTn_> do you think it looks okay?
[17:40:31] <_methods> looks good to me
[17:41:41] <PetefromTn_> there is STILL a touch of splotchiness here and there.
[17:42:02] <_methods> i see a bit down at the bottom of the pic
[17:42:06] <PetefromTn_> reading that link Tom just posted I got a few ideas about prepping the parts that I have not tried yet
[17:42:35] <PetefromTn_> if you could see it in person it is ALMOST what I am looking for
[17:42:54] <_methods> well you're a lot closer than you were yesterday then lol
[17:42:55] <PetefromTn_> I am kinda surprised that the RIT dye which I have read quite a few people complain about worked so well.
[17:44:09] <PetefromTn_> I mixed the rit dye with approx 5 cups of DI water to a 1/4 cup of rit dye and heated it to 130 degrees
[17:45:57] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: what did you use for power?
[17:46:05] <PetefromTn_> the same power supply
[17:46:14] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: Looking good
[17:46:16] <PetefromTn_> with the shunt meter set to 2.1 amps
[17:46:29] <PetefromTn_> for 2.25 hours
[17:46:39] <PetefromTn_> os1r1s thanks man
[17:46:45] <PetefromTn_> it is a very promising result
[17:46:52] <Tom_itx> you should try the same process with capn's dye now
[17:46:55] <PetefromTn_> it is still a touch blotchy on the surface
[17:47:04] <Tom_itx> but it's encouraging ehh?
[17:47:07] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx I plan to
[17:47:20] <PetefromTn_> honestly I am not sure what I did wrong with the solvent dye
[17:47:32] <PetefromTn_> I dried the part thoroughly before it went in the dye
[17:47:45] <PetefromTn_> and dunked it for several minutes in the dye
[17:48:03] <PetefromTn_> then I let it air dry for quite awhile more than enough for a solvent dye to dry
[17:48:05] <Tom_itx> how long are you supposed to soak it in the dye?
[17:48:13] <PetefromTn_> before I submerged it in the sealer
[17:48:20] <PetefromTn_> which dye?
[17:48:25] <Tom_itx> capn's
[17:48:30] <CaptHindsight> the solvent dye is near instant
[17:48:37] <PetefromTn_> he seemed to say it does not take but a moment
[17:48:38] <Tom_itx> ok
[17:48:39] <PetefromTn_> yup
[17:48:43] <CaptHindsight> it's like a permanent marker
[17:48:49] <Tom_itx> what about he ritz dye?
[17:48:56] <PetefromTn_> it is just like a permenent marker
[17:49:24] <PetefromTn_> the rit dye I submerged and swirled it around in the mixture of about 5 cups DI water to 1/4 cup rit dye.
[17:49:40] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: did you pour the dye back int the bottle between use?
[17:49:43] <PetefromTn_> it was actually pretty thick and as the water heated up it seemed to get even thicker
[17:49:46] <CaptHindsight> int/into
[17:50:00] <PetefromTn_> no I kept it in the trough with a cover on it
[17:50:24] <CaptHindsight> and I'm sure that the container was clean
[17:50:29] <PetefromTn_> it was brand new
[17:51:28] <PetefromTn_> I guess after this result the idea that I am not attaining a sufficiently thick anode layer is not accurate...the first time I cooked the parts I was apparently putting even more current into the parts for 2 hours
[17:51:43] <PetefromTn_> I know the process is pretty specific
[17:51:58] <PetefromTn_> but this was just an off the cuff guess really
[17:52:03] <PetefromTn_> thankfully it worked
[17:52:15] <PetefromTn_> and I am a lot closer to a perfect setup
[17:52:49] <PetefromTn_> It troubles me that I was unable to reproduce this with the solvent dye as I was hoping for a good result with that which would not require ANOTher heated bath
[17:53:08] <PetefromTn_> luckily the rit dye is not dangerous and we did it on the kitchen stove
[17:53:26] <PetefromTn_> now I have two more parts here to test with that have not been anodized yet
[17:54:11] <PetefromTn_> I will take them and clean the crap out of them adding some dawn dishwashing detergent in the kitchen sink and a thorough cleaning BEFORE I take it out to the line and use that aluminum degreaser bath from Caswell.
[17:54:41] <PetefromTn_> Also I will add that this time the part was soaked in the degreaser bath for a longer period of time BUT I did not heat it.
[17:55:17] <PetefromTn_> I will really clean the next parts and hopefully some of this last splotchiness will go away and the part will be perfect.
[17:58:35] <Tom_itx> seems the crevices were what wasn't perfect
[17:59:14] <Tom_itx> wonder if you should agitate the degreaser
[17:59:53] <CaptHindsight> whoisgotta surface grinder for a 4ft x 4ft plate?
[18:00:09] <Tom_itx> a bud of mine
[18:00:24] <Tom_itx> he used to make large presses
[18:00:41] <Tom_itx> for stamping decals etc
[18:00:44] <CaptHindsight> near Wichita?
[18:00:49] <Tom_itx> Goddard
[18:01:14] <Tom_itx> but i haven't been out there in a long time... he died in his sleep and i don't know who is running it now
[18:01:31] <Tom_itx> iirc, anything bigger he sent to KC
[18:05:45] <Tom_itx> alot of things for 3M like stamping sandpaper, absorbent materials etc
[18:07:40] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, what are you grinding?
[18:09:48] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx I agree
[18:10:00] <PetefromTn_> I just cleaned the crap out of the next test part
[18:10:07] <PetefromTn_> with dawn dishwashing soap
[18:10:16] <PetefromTn_> now it is sitting in the degreaser bath
[18:10:31] <PetefromTn_> once it is done I will do basically the same thing as I did last time
[18:10:43] <Tom_itx> i'd consider agitating the degreaser
[18:10:46] <PetefromTn_> I am tempted to try to do two parts again at the same time
[18:11:07] <Tom_itx> did you get your PSU figured out?
[18:11:20] <PetefromTn_> depends on your definition of figured out
[18:11:33] <Tom_itx> invest in a meter when you can
[18:11:43] <PetefromTn_> I am measuring with the shunt for 21 mv
[18:11:54] <PetefromTn_> which SHOULD be 2.1 amps or so
[18:12:05] <Tom_itx> that's 'in the ballpart' but not real accurate
[18:12:11] <PetefromTn_> what is strange is that is double what the part calls for
[18:12:11] <Tom_itx> ballpark
[18:12:25] <PetefromTn_> .1755 sq ft
[18:12:35] <PetefromTn_> according to the 720 calculator online
[18:12:43] <Tom_itx> like JT said, that thing you quoted was for hobbyists
[18:12:53] <PetefromTn_> which is setup for a 6A/sqft
[18:13:10] <PetefromTn_> I didn't quote anything it is just what I learned online
[18:13:17] <Tom_itx> that dude in the link used 12A /sqft
[18:13:33] <PetefromTn_> which coincidentally is probably what I just used
[18:13:45] <PetefromTn_> since I only did one part with the current setting for two
[18:14:38] <Tom_itx> my observations are that you could double the current keeping the voltage the same and cut your soak time down considerablly
[18:14:43] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: cast iron surface plate
[18:15:04] <PetefromTn_> that is basically what I did but I did not decrease the soak time
[18:15:16] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, unfortunately i don't know of any local grind shops
[18:15:16] <PetefromTn_> this went for 2.25 hours
[18:15:44] <PetefromTn_> there is a big blanchard grinding shop local to me but I am not sure you would want that
[18:16:10] <CaptHindsight> there are still shops around Chicago
[18:16:17] <CaptHindsight> fewer but still here
[18:16:22] <CaptHindsight> just checking
[18:21:34] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, do you gain more oxide layer than is removed in the cleaning process with anodizing?
[18:21:51] <Tom_itx> ie the part is thicker after the process...
[18:23:46] <CaptHindsight> yes, it grows
[18:32:59] <JT-Mobile> We will see if and chat is better than androl
[18:34:43] <JT-Mobile> zlog
[18:48:44] <Tom_itx> JT-Mobile, things change alot since your previous visit?
[19:02:01] <XXCoder> whats best word for searching devices that convert 110v to 120v
[19:02:05] <XXCoder> err 220v
[19:02:25] <CaptHindsight> transformer
[19:03:04] <XXCoder> thanks
[19:03:12] <XXCoder> trying to find 500w version
[19:03:22] <malcom2073> Be aware, you can't convert US 110 to EU 220
[19:03:23] <XXCoder> I bought 50w and fur pointed out my idiotacy lol
[19:03:25] <malcom2073> erm
[19:03:26] <malcom2073> sorry
[19:03:29] <malcom2073> I'm wrong heh
[19:03:35] <malcom2073> It's you can't convert US 220 to EU 220 easily
[19:03:48] <malcom2073> Or US 110 to US 220
[19:03:49] <XXCoder> yea not using 220 lol
[19:03:58] <XXCoder> though why?
[19:04:07] <CaptHindsight> 60hz to 50hz is another story
[19:04:21] <malcom2073> US 220 is split. Each line of 220 is 110, just 180 degrees apart
[19:04:32] <malcom2073> 110 is a 110 line, and neutral
[19:04:36] <XXCoder> ah 110 v to -120v
[19:04:39] <XXCoder> er 110
[19:05:01] <malcom2073> Right, that's what US 220 is
[19:05:14] <XXCoder> heyy some good ones on amazon
[19:05:15] <malcom2073> EU 220 is actualy 220v and neutral
[19:05:27] <XXCoder> I rather buy from amazon than aliexpress
[19:05:38] <CaptHindsight> 120/240 delta or 120/208 wye
[19:08:11] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: you want just a transformer with leads hanging off the body pr a box with cords and outlets mounted on it?
[19:08:27] <XXCoder> spindle has EU plug
[19:08:34] <XXCoder> and its 500w
[19:09:10] <XXCoder> think this'll do http://www.amazon.com/Goldsource-STU-750-Voltage-Transformer-Converter/dp/B0022TL1BE/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1436744648&sr=8-1&keywords=110v+to+220v+transformer+600w
[19:09:34] <CaptHindsight> heh + USB
[19:10:01] <XXCoder> yeah nice bonus, recharge my phone at cnc router area lol
[19:10:15] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: 50 hz spindle motor?
[19:10:39] <XXCoder> and I assume it is chinese shit so I rather have bit higher rating than what I will use.
[19:11:09] <CaptHindsight> oh is this for the spindle controller?
[19:11:17] <XXCoder> no spindle itself
[19:11:28] <XXCoder> its not really spindle but router
[19:11:30] <os1r1s> Woot woot. Looks like the cam is close to working with linuxcnc in a simulator. Getting closer.
[19:11:33] <CaptHindsight> an induction motor?
[19:11:40] <XXCoder> its only one that will fit my router :(
[19:11:59] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/500W-Air-Cooled-Miling-motor-AC-220V-Spindle-Motor-with-6mm-collet/1903872955.html
[19:12:06] <PetefromTn_> os1r1s ?
[19:12:19] <XXCoder> os1r1s: what cam?
[19:13:09] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: Got bobcad putting out gcode that linuxcnc is simulating a path with. Certainly not that complex, but it is a thrilling victory.
[19:13:13] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: should of said it's for a 220 die grinder, yeah that will work
[19:13:32] <XXCoder> I did say 220v :)
[19:13:35] <XXCoder> yea
[19:13:35] <PetefromTn_> Oh okay
[19:14:39] <XXCoder> no prices on website in most cases for bobcad. I cant afford it lol
[19:14:50] <XXCoder> cheapest its still more pricy than my entire machine LOL
[19:14:58] <XXCoder> (the only listed price)
[19:15:29] <XXCoder> oh CaptHindsight that is what I orginially bought http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Step-Up-Voltage-Converter-Adapter-110V-US-to-220V-US-EU-Black/1910410399.html
[19:15:44] <XXCoder> I didnt see 50w thing lol
[19:15:56] <CaptHindsight> yeah too small
[19:16:14] <XXCoder> furrywolf saved my ass
[19:16:53] <CaptHindsight> your grinder will also spin at 60hz faster than at 50hz
[19:17:26] <XXCoder> will this work http://www.amazon.com/Seven-Star-750W-Step-up-Transformer/dp/B002HFJ1ZG/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1436745222&sr=8-5&keywords=110v+to+220v+transformer+750w
[19:17:43] <XXCoder> seems yes to me
[19:17:50] <XXCoder> it works both ways but actually cheaper
[19:18:03] <PetefromTn_> my spindle motor is 50 HZ LOL
[19:18:07] <XXCoder> that is, before shipping
[19:18:12] <CaptHindsight> yes, less fancy enclosure
[19:18:14] <XXCoder> guess not worth it
[19:18:26] <CaptHindsight> the fun of Amamzon
[19:18:31] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:19:36] <PetefromTn_> where do you get elbow grease.....I think I need some!
[19:20:16] <Tom_itx> you can barely hire it anymore
[19:20:31] <PetefromTn_> tell me about it ;)
[19:21:05] <CaptHindsight> easy to find around here, it's generally imported
[19:25:05] <XXCoder> some places just drive a truck and stop certain spots
[19:25:12] <XXCoder> just make sure pay fair wage
[19:25:22] <XXCoder> people who pay shit pay rates suck
[19:29:57] <CaptHindsight> what about their right to screw people over?
[19:30:04] <CaptHindsight> are you some kinda commie?
[19:31:00] <XXCoder> nah just belive in paying fair wage for work
[19:31:07] <CaptHindsight> I laugh when they somehow think it's a right to keep their old business models
[19:31:55] <XXCoder> there is no "they", there is just us, humanity
[19:32:30] <malcom2073> Fair is a funny concept
[19:32:56] <XXCoder> it is
[19:32:58] <malcom2073> Value of a product is how much the market will bear, but if you apply that to labor, all of a sudden it's inhumane :P
[19:32:59] <CaptHindsight> me
[19:33:46] <CaptHindsight> all I expect is a fair weeks pay for a fair days work
[19:33:47] <XXCoder> I can't wait for post-scarcity economy
[19:34:04] <Tom_itx> tell that to Dr's and lawyers
[19:37:03] <CaptHindsight> has anyone tried the automation technologies closed steppers yet?
[19:37:06] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema23-closed-loop-stepper-motor-system-hybrid-servo-kit/hybrid-servo-drive-kl-5080h
[19:37:38] <Connor> msg PetefromTn_ You have any need for wood pallets ? I have 3 left over from my kitchen cabinets being delivered.
[19:37:40] <Tom_itx> no but i'm using their steppers
[19:37:47] <XXCoder> msg fail
[19:37:50] <CaptHindsight> hybrid steppers with closed loop
[19:37:54] <Connor> Yea. No joke.
[19:37:57] <XXCoder> in least its not link to nude pics or something
[19:38:21] <Tom_itx> darn
[19:39:04] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: they are local, and I also use some of their steppers
[19:39:23] <Tom_itx> oh nice
[19:39:31] <CaptHindsight> easy returns
[19:39:48] <CaptHindsight> he has the same complaints
[19:40:02] <CaptHindsight> he has to travel back to China to check on QC
[19:40:03] <Tom_itx> i sold an avr programmer to a company making closed loop steppers
[19:40:31] <Tom_itx> can't recall who it was now
[19:41:30] <XXCoder> closed loop interesting
[19:41:59] <Tom_itx> http://www.excitron.com/
[19:42:01] <Tom_itx> maybe?
[19:43:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.leadshine.com/productdetail.aspx?type=products&category=easy-servo-products&productype=easy-servo-drives&series=ES-D&model=ES-D508
[19:43:43] <CaptHindsight> might be these or similar drives
[19:43:44] <XXCoder> leadshine heh
[19:43:58] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight I seem to recall reading about some complaints on the closed loop steppers on the CNCzone
[19:44:03] <XXCoder> did you guys know lead was first artifical sweetener ever?
[19:44:13] <Tom_itx> yes
[19:44:21] <CaptHindsight> et tu XXCoder?
[19:44:55] <XXCoder> it killed roman
[19:44:58] <PetefromTn_> which is quite unfortunate because they were looking very much like a good solution for my CNC lathe's axes
[19:45:12] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: was joking about leadshine then had a random thought
[19:45:14] <Connor> PetefromTn_: What where the complaints ?
[19:45:21] <PetefromTn_> I don't recall
[19:45:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/diy-cnc-router-table-machines/173951-closed-loop-steppers-awesome-video.html
[19:45:41] <PetefromTn_> Art told me about the complaints because he knew I was considering them for the lathe
[19:45:47] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: if curious http://io9.com/5877587/the-first-artificial-sweetener-poisoned-lots-of-romans
[19:46:10] <CaptHindsight> ropus dopus
[19:47:15] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: have a link from Art ?
[19:47:26] <PetefromTn_> hang on I will call him..
[19:47:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/general-waterjet/167973-cnc.html Problem- Leadshine (Integrated Easy Servo Motors)
[19:49:20] <PetefromTn_> He said it was in the leadshine forum but he cannot recall the exact thread
[19:49:36] <CaptHindsight> I'd like to see what the problem was
[19:50:12] <PetefromTn_> he's saying he does not remember but he is looking for it. If he finds it I will let you know
[19:55:06] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/leadshine/260760-software.html maybe this thread?
[20:30:34] <JT-Mobile> At least I have auto join working on this IRC client
[20:30:47] <PetefromTn_> heh
[20:31:01] <PetefromTn_> I use andchat on the phone and Icechat on the PC
[20:31:30] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: how's anodizing?
[20:31:59] <PetefromTn_> http://petefromtn.imgur.com/all/
[20:32:14] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/jrXId66.jpg
[20:32:18] <PetefromTn_> oops
[20:32:45] <PetefromTn_> that is the first reasonably successful one
[20:33:00] <PetefromTn_> another test piece is about 20 minutes from the dyeing stage
[20:33:04] <furrywolf> shiny
[20:33:08] <PetefromTn_> hoping for another good result
[20:33:43] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is actually NOT as shiny as it appears in the pictures I rubbed it down with some WD40 after I wiped it with acetone
[20:33:48] <PetefromTn_> but it is not too bad
[20:34:01] <PetefromTn_> there are some blemishes that I am not sure what caused them.
[20:34:17] <JT-Mobile> What did you change
[20:34:22] <PetefromTn_> this time I REALLY REALLY cleaned the crap out of the part with degreasers before it went into the desmut
[20:34:29] <PetefromTn_> hoping for a good result
[20:34:55] <PetefromTn_> JT-Mobile Well I doubled the current by only doing a single part in the same current setting as two parts
[20:35:18] <furrywolf> get a proper current meter yet?
[20:35:21] <PetefromTn_> and I switched dyes from the solvent based black to a mixture of RIT dye and DI water warmed to 130 defrees
[20:35:31] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf No I am kinda broke right now
[20:35:36] <JT-Mobile> What was the resulting ASF
[20:35:52] <PetefromTn_> have not figured that out yet
[20:35:53] <furrywolf> a fuse to fix the one in the photos is about $1. :)
[20:36:32] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean replace the shunt length with an inline fuse/
[20:37:04] <furrywolf> doesn't the meter you're using to measure the shunt have a 10A scale? I'm sure I saw it in the pictures or the video.
[20:37:15] <furrywolf> I'm assuming that's the one you loaned to someone and it came back not working... usually they just need a fuse.
[20:37:35] <PetefromTn_> no I did not notice that
[20:37:41] <PetefromTn_> and this meter actually works
[20:37:49] <JT-Mobile> Wouldn't a cheap auto amp meter give you a good guess to your current
[20:37:51] <PetefromTn_> the one I loaned was a nicer one with a current clamp on it
[20:38:18] <furrywolf> ... so we did all that work making a shunt when you have a meter with a working 10A scale? lol
[20:38:34] <PetefromTn_> to be honest I never noticed it
[20:38:45] <PetefromTn_> not even sure how you would use it :D
[20:39:00] <furrywolf> lol
[20:39:24] <furrywolf> does it have a separate red jack labeled 10A, to go with the common and V-ohms-etc one?
[20:40:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah it has three terminals on the bottom
[20:40:13] <PetefromTn_> two are used generally
[20:40:19] <PetefromTn_> for V and Ohms
[20:40:47] <PetefromTn_> do I just switch it to the other terminal and use that range
[20:40:52] <PetefromTn_> how would you hook it up?
[20:41:12] <furrywolf> ok... disconnect the probes from the shunt. keep the black one in the black jack. put the red one in the red jack labeled 10A. switch the meter to the 10A scale. put the meter in series with either wire going to the tank. Make sure to put the probe back in the other jack before doing any other measurements!
[20:41:37] <furrywolf> Forgetting to put the probe back in the normal jack is the #1 cause of needing fuses. :)
[20:42:25] <PetefromTn_> aah okay
[20:42:30] <PetefromTn_> I will test it now
[20:46:09] <PetefromTn_> damn it does not seem to read anything maybe the fuse is blown from a previous screw up LOL I put it back in the other setup for the time being as the test is nearly complete
[20:46:39] <furrywolf> heh
[20:47:00] <furrywolf> an accurate current reading would be a good idea, both to fine-tune your process, and to check the shunt's accuracy.
[20:47:11] <PetefromTn_> I am sure I look like a moron here but I honestly never noticed that single setting location and I always figured it was just a cheap meter LOL
[20:47:24] <furrywolf> lol
[20:47:51] <PetefromTn_> I am going to strip and reanodize these two failed parts from last night
[20:48:15] <PetefromTn_> I am HOPING that I can use the same settings for TWO parts and that they will anodize properly with the rit dye bath
[20:48:21] <PetefromTn_> no way to tell without trying
[20:48:40] <PetefromTn_> if it does work that would mean I can do two of the actual parts at one time which would speed things up pretty good for me
[20:48:57] <PetefromTn_> 1 minute left!!
[20:49:14] <furrywolf> it's very easy to blow the 10A fuse... much like the current shunt you made, in current mode, the meter is pretty much just a piece of wire. that's why it has a separate jack, because it just has a wire between it and the common jack that it measures the voltage on.
[20:49:36] <PetefromTn_> I'm sure
[20:49:59] <furrywolf> but, if you leave it plugged into this jack, and go to measure, say, the voltage of a battery... poof. because the meter is acting like just a piece of wire, making a dead short across the battery. and this is why they have a fuse, so all it does is blow the fuse, not explode the probe wires in your hands. :)
[20:50:09] <PetefromTn_> be back soon gotta remove this part and get it dyed and see how it goes
[20:50:28] <PetefromTn_> yup I understand that
[20:50:37] <PetefromTn_> again I just never noticed it had that feature
[20:51:00] <furrywolf> now, harbor freight meters... they don't have such a fuse. because it'd cost too much. so you forget to put it back in the right jack, and they catch fire. :)
[20:54:58] <Tom_itx> you can get those 2 for 1 anyway though
[20:55:23] <Tom_itx> i opted for the one good one
[20:55:40] <PetefromTn_> a good HF one?
[20:55:47] <Tom_itx> no, FLUKE
[20:55:55] <PetefromTn_> part seems to be taking the dye okay again
[20:56:06] <furrywolf> you can get those ∞-for-1, because they give you one free every time you go there!
[20:56:20] <Tom_itx> recently got a cheaper one that has a temp probe with it
[20:56:41] <Tom_itx> wanted to monitor my toaster oven when i was setting it up
[20:56:46] <furrywolf> I probably have a dozen new in package. I give them to people every time someone asks to borrow one, because whenever someone borrows a meter, there's a better-than-even chance it never comes back or comes back broken...
[20:57:16] <furrywolf> my neighbor who's perpetually losing his tools and asking to borrow mine, especially.
[20:58:23] <Tom_itx> i would rather go help someone than loan a tool
[20:58:25] <furrywolf> I just get the "free multimeter with any purchase" coupons off their website and print one out every time I go in for anything.
[21:06:17] <PetefromTn_> WOW this part looks awesome!!!
[21:08:33] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/1Rjhp8u.jpg
[21:09:49] <tjtr33> looks great!
[21:09:54] <zeeshan> YES
[21:09:55] <zeeshan> NICE!!
[21:10:20] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/NfpZDh6.jpg
[21:10:56] <PetefromTn_> I need to pickup some more WD40 so I can spray it into the little slots wiping it is not easy LOL but yeah I am VERY excited about this result
[21:11:07] <PetefromTn_> the parts look and FEEL very nice and smooth
[21:11:27] <zeeshan> what did you end up doing?
[21:12:36] <PetefromTn_> I just increased the amperage by doing only one part at the setting that I was doing two at and switched to a rit dye heated bath mixed with DI water
[21:13:04] <tjtr33> rit? the cloth stuff?
[21:13:17] <zeeshan> sweet pete
[21:13:21] <zeeshan> im glad you got it working
[21:13:27] <zeeshan> i knew you'd it!
[21:16:49] <jdh> sexy
[21:17:04] <PetefromTn_> tjtr33 yeah it is the cloth dye LOL lots of people use it for anodizing
[21:17:27] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I gotta be honest man I ALMOST threw in the towel after yesterday LOL
[21:18:03] <PetefromTn_> I am kinda amazed at just how BLACK these parts look
[21:18:18] <PetefromTn_> I mean they are not grey whatsoever
[21:18:41] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: how did the second iteration go?
[21:18:54] <PetefromTn_> which is surprising as a lot of people have trouble with that
[21:19:01] <PetefromTn_> tiwake what do you mean?
[21:19:29] <tiwake> did you have a second anodizing trial?
[21:19:42] <PetefromTn_> more like a tenth hehe
[21:19:47] <PetefromTn_> I just posted a picture
[21:20:05] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/NfpZDh6.jpg
[21:20:16] <tiwake> oh nice
[21:20:23] <tiwake> what did you do differently?
[21:20:55] <PetefromTn_> well as I just was saying I increased the current to what would have been suitable for two of these parts and just did one
[21:20:57] <tiwake> more current? more acid? anodize longer?
[21:21:11] <PetefromTn_> and I switched to Rit water based dye mixted and heated
[21:21:27] <PetefromTn_> Oh and I cleaned the crap out of the parts on this last one a little better.
[21:21:32] <tiwake> oh yeah, you kinda gotta heat up the dye too
[21:22:15] <tiwake> nice :)
[21:22:31] <PetefromTn_> I want to try to do the same thing with two parts this time and use the water based dye and see how it goes I suspect that it will work fine as the parts really do not look any different when they come out of the anodizing bath than they did before.
[21:22:59] <tiwake> you know hard anodizing increases the current quite a bit more than type 2 anodizing
[21:23:00] <PetefromTn_> well actually the solvent based dye I was using you do not heat up the dye but the water based black you have to
[21:23:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know. I am honestly not sure what kind of anodizing I am doing here hehe
[21:23:48] <PetefromTn_> all I know is the parts look great and feel smooth and silky like a pro anodized part
[21:23:53] <tiwake> I'd imagine if the current is anywhere between type 2 and type 3, I don't think it matters... heh
[21:24:00] <tiwake> "whatever works"
[21:24:01] <PetefromTn_> this has been a very trying thing to get working I will tell ya
[21:24:15] <tiwake> yeah
[21:24:48] <PetefromTn_> the fact that it rained all weekend long and we lost power several times added to the drama
[21:25:06] <PetefromTn_> I had to do it INSIDE the shop with the door open and a little fan blowing the nasty gasses outside
[21:25:18] <PetefromTn_> I intended to do it completely outside but that did not happen
[21:25:34] <tiwake> I live on the west coast... rain happens.. lol
[21:25:51] <PetefromTn_> it has rained like crazy here all week
[21:25:58] <PetefromTn_> lots of thunderboomers
[21:26:14] <PetefromTn_> it seems to have tapered off today tho
[21:26:30] <PetefromTn_> I have not mowed my lawn for almost two weeks because it was always raining or wet
[21:26:39] <PetefromTn_> now it is starting to look like a jungle
[21:26:53] <PetefromTn_> and I am sure mowing will be a miserble experience when I do
[21:27:20] <PetefromTn_> right now I am just pleased that these parts are looking good and that I will be able to reproduce the results it seems
[21:27:33] <PetefromTn_> so I can complete this job and get paid for it
[21:27:36] <tiwake> grasshopper lawnmowers are amazing
[21:27:44] <tiwake> just saying
[21:27:51] <PetefromTn_> I also have to finish this tool steel job stuff
[21:28:00] <PetefromTn_> never heard of em
[21:28:14] <tiwake> https://www.grasshoppermower.com/
[21:28:26] <PetefromTn_> oh a commercial zero turn
[21:28:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have a self propelled push mower LOL
[21:28:50] <PetefromTn_> don't see me buying one of those any time soon
[21:29:02] <PetefromTn_> I would much rather put the money into my CNC lathe
[21:29:04] <tiwake> I wouldent say commercial really
[21:29:07] <PetefromTn_> and push hehe
[21:29:12] <tiwake> just a properly built lawn mower
[21:29:39] <tiwake> though these days, properly built generally means commercial... sadly
[21:29:46] <PetefromTn_> if that is not a commercial mower it is not far from one
[21:30:19] <PetefromTn_> anyways I am going to get out in the shop and try to finish some CNC milling I gotta do
[21:30:24] <PetefromTn_> BBL guys
[21:30:57] <greg__> So current density is now 12A/sqft? Tha's looks pretty good
[21:32:10] <greg__> I think the wierd stuff you were seeing yeasterday was burning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojs54rW3MeE
[21:42:45] <PetefromTn_> WOW that looks really bad LOL
[21:43:11] <PetefromTn_> I am not sure what is wrong with the previous attempts really all I changed is the amount of current in the part and the type of dye
[21:44:02] <PetefromTn_> and as I said before the parts LOOKED much the same when they came out of the anodizing tank each time for the most part. they get sort of a yellowish tint and they are very silky and smooth looking in appearance
[21:45:30] <PetefromTn_> at this point aside from the relatively smooth and even look of the last part I did I am not sure of anything other than the fact that it took dye and sealed and the parts stay black even when wiped with acetone thoroughly
[21:45:54] <greg__> that video is for hard anodize with uses much more current but the thin spots looked familiar, I'm glad you have success.
[21:45:56] <PetefromTn_> if the parts were not anodized and sealed the dye would just wipe right off
[21:46:56] <PetefromTn_> whats really interesting is when I sealed the parts after the solvent dye and wiped them with acetone even tho they still stayed largely black the rags got very black
[21:47:32] <PetefromTn_> with the rit dye after sealing I wiped the parts with acetone and the rags are just barely showing any dye coming off the parts
[21:47:40] <greg__> is there a recommended time for sealing?
[21:48:23] <PetefromTn_> I read on that last link that Tom posted that the guy recommended better dyes than rit dye and I am curious now as to how good say caswells dyes are in this setup
[21:48:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah it says at least 15 minutes at 200-210 degrees
[21:48:51] <PetefromTn_> I sealed the parts each time the same way
[21:49:29] <greg__> I've wanted to try for some time and all teh stuff online makes it sound so easy
[21:50:01] <PetefromTn_> the only way I can explain this is that the solvent dye seemed to dry very quickly and it did not allow it to run off the part completely before it dried and the drips formed little puddles at the lower corners etc.
[21:50:07] <PetefromTn_> I know right
[21:50:21] <PetefromTn_> it sure LOOKS easy from all the online videos and information hehehe
[21:50:29] <PetefromTn_> it almost kicked my ass tho
[21:50:42] <PetefromTn_> and I STILL have a ton of experimenting and learning to do
[21:50:54] <PetefromTn_> one part at a time taking two hours is not gonna cut it either
[21:51:00] <greg__> that is the same I was thinking the drying leaves extra dye on the surface
[21:51:04] <greg__> more power
[21:51:08] <PetefromTn_> I am going to need to figure out how to do at least two or more
[21:51:27] <PetefromTn_> yeah the extra dye dried on the surface
[21:51:31] <PetefromTn_> and then I sealed it
[21:51:45] <PetefromTn_> some would come off when I dunked it in the sealer immediately
[21:51:57] <PetefromTn_> and I think some would still stay on the part
[21:52:01] <greg__> I bought my power supplies from ebay, I saw they gave you some leads
[21:52:18] <PetefromTn_> and when it was done sealing I wipe it down with acetone and the remaining dried dye comes off on the rags
[21:52:34] <PetefromTn_> yeah mine is an ebay cheapie
[21:53:23] <greg__> I big ones years ago for stuff I was doing at the time.
[21:53:29] <greg__> 2500W
[21:54:08] <greg__> you only need about 20V and as much current as you can afford.
[21:54:34] <PetefromTn_> I will probably need to get a larger one. probably that 30v 20 amp one I should have gotten there are several videos online with people using them
[21:55:03] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: I'm using a ham radio one. It works really well
[21:55:19] <PetefromTn_> really? what is the ouput?
[21:55:33] <greg__> 60V-46A
[21:55:40] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[21:55:43] <PetefromTn_> that would be perfect
[21:55:47] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: Its a Astron VS-50M
[21:56:19] <os1r1s> Its 2-15VDC with 37 amps continuous
[21:56:24] <greg__> $600 10 years ago?
[21:56:43] <PetefromTn_> damn that looks like a nice unit
[21:56:47] <PetefromTn_> US made?
[21:56:58] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: http://www.aesham.com/transformer/astron-vs-50m/
[21:57:06] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: Yeah. Its user servicable
[21:57:09] <os1r1s> Can be found on ebay
[21:57:15] <os1r1s> Its variable voltage and current
[21:57:25] <os1r1s> And has meters to tell you what its really doing
[21:57:46] <PetefromTn_> is it Constant Current?
[21:58:20] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: You control both
[21:59:12] <PetefromTn_> that's a linear or switching PPS?
[21:59:14] <greg__> VS-50M looks OK. 15V might be bare minumum at higher currents though, once you include voltage drop in the wires.
[21:59:20] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: linear
[21:59:38] <PetefromTn_> do you have any pictures of parts you have done?
[21:59:39] <os1r1s> greg__: I don't think he'll go anywhere near 37 amps
[21:59:55] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: No, I sure don't.
[22:00:06] <os1r1s> Just the ones I posted the other day, which were the fails
[22:00:07] <os1r1s> :)
[22:00:31] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Astron-VS-35M-Variable-Amp-Voltage-DC-Power-Supply-w-Meters/221798026543?_trksid=p2045573.c100034.m2102&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20131003150253%26meid%3Dafc422495aff4804b9281645f334d7ab%26pid%3D100034%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D221726425270
[22:00:40] <os1r1s> But you have at least wet my appetite to do it some more
[22:00:48] <PetefromTn_> did you see my parts?
[22:01:08] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: They look very good
[22:01:29] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LAMBDA-EMI-TCR-20S30-00470053-REV-G-MD-TCR-20S30-1-D-20V-30A-DC-POWER-SUPPLY-/151108921126 20V, 30A. 14 day warranty if it doesn't work...
[22:01:48] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: I think oyou can do better than that price.
[22:02:16] <furrywolf> my experience with Astron has been less-than-stellar. in fact, I have a dead astron supply sitting 2ft from me. chinese capacitors exploded, then power devices shorted...
[22:02:16] <PetefromTn_> I would gladly dump $150 for one that works well if I could find one for that
[22:02:36] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: How much current do you have to put out?
[22:02:40] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf pop in some US made caps and sell it to me for a good price LOL
[22:02:50] <PetefromTn_> well I am not sure really
[22:03:01] <furrywolf> at least Astron was nice enough to use a crowbar, so when the pass transistor shorted it at least didn't apply full voltage to the output for too long...
[22:03:01] <PetefromTn_> these parts I THINK are getting 2.1 amps
[22:03:21] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-ASTRON-VS-20M-POWER-SUPPLY-RECEIVER-TUBE-TESTER-HAM-RADIO-TUBE-/141715580310?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20fee82596
[22:03:23] <os1r1s> Look at that
[22:03:33] <PetefromTn_> the more parts you want to do at one time the more current available you need
[22:03:46] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: nah, it's not useful for your application. it's a 24V to 12V converter, not an AC to DC supply.
[22:03:49] <os1r1s> 9.99 waiting for bid. Even if it went for 50, it would be a solid deal
[22:04:00] <PetefromTn_> it does not work
[22:04:26] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: He can't test it
[22:04:34] <os1r1s> It came from an estate sale
[22:04:39] <furrywolf> the Astron supplies only go up to 15V. is that enough for this application?
[22:04:47] <PetefromTn_> I don't know
[22:04:50] <greg__> If you were closer i'd sell you my old linear 40V-50A for $150.
[22:04:52] <os1r1s> furrywolf: He isn't doing titanium yet :P
[22:05:09] <greg__> you carry it out of my basement, it weighs more than me
[22:05:11] <PetefromTn_> it seems that you are just worried about current stability and the ability to input enough for all the parts you are doing
[22:05:31] <PetefromTn_> I would LIKE to be able to do Ti
[22:05:34] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: The one you posted was not a bad deal
[22:05:47] <os1r1s> I think the meters are awesome though
[22:05:52] <os1r1s> You can see how much its sucking down
[22:05:53] <PetefromTn_> 40v 50A sounds really good ;)
[22:05:58] <furrywolf> I have a Lambda similar to the one I pasted (I have the 40V 15A model), and have been quite happy with it.
[22:06:49] <PetefromTn_> whats funny is aside from the meters apparently not being accurate on it this power supply cheap chinese POS I got here is very steady with the current according to my shunted meter
[22:07:17] <greg__> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sorensen-SRL-40-50-DC-Power-Supply-T4515-/361336062608?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item54214ec290
[22:07:53] <greg__> they are out of their mind. it doesn't even work.
[22:08:35] <PetefromTn_> crazy what some people think they can get for stuff
[22:08:55] <greg__> regulation is pretty simple, but why the meters are out by a a factor of 20 I don't know, wrong meter or wrong shunt
[22:09:00] <furrywolf> there's a lot of stupidly overpriced power supplies on ebay.
[22:10:11] <greg__> my other one is a xantrex xfr 60-46 it's nice but sometimes I wish it had fine adjust
[22:10:28] <os1r1s> cradek: Is your website timeguy.com?
[22:12:37] <greg__> anyone built an induction heater? I built a circuit using scrounged caps, but they cooked pretty quick I need to make a good one
[22:13:03] <furrywolf> induction heater sounds hard.
[22:13:27] <greg__> basic circuit is easy, if you need control it's not
[22:14:09] <greg__> http://kaizerpowerelectronics.dk/general-electronics/royer-induction-heater/
[22:14:28] <greg__> also limits on how much power you can easily build
[22:16:09] <greg__> good night gents
[22:17:06] <furrywolf> that thing is TINY.
[22:23:43] <cradek> os1r1s: yes
[22:23:57] <os1r1s> cradek: Cool. Do you still use those same probing routines?
[22:24:11] <cradek> yeah I think so
[22:24:28] <os1r1s> cradek: Is it with a touch probe or just a simple electrical contact?
[22:24:30] <cradek> if not exactly, the ones I use are a lot like those
[22:24:41] <cradek> I have a real renishaw probe
[22:24:54] <os1r1s> Excellent. Thx
[22:25:46] <os1r1s> cradek: Have you seen these routines by chance?
[22:26:01] <os1r1s> cradek: http://lab.whitequark.org/notes/2014-07-06/g38-probing-workpieces-in-linuxcnc/
[22:27:25] <cradek> nope
[22:27:31] <archivist> a tool has no proper spring
[22:28:07] <cradek> yeah, you really need some overtravel
[22:28:34] <cradek> although I know people do this kind of thing a lot. it probably works ok on very flexible/light machines
[22:29:09] <archivist> a machine cannot stop instantly, therefore something must bend
[22:30:53] <furrywolf> use a springy tool.
[22:31:28] <os1r1s> cradek: His code should work with a real probe too
[22:31:31] <archivist> it is an eye opener measuring how much a machine flexes under a small load though
[22:31:33] <os1r1s> It looks pretty intricate
[22:32:12] <archivist> its not the code its the mechanical facts
[23:08:51] <PetefromTn_> running some S7 tool steel parts right now...
[23:08:56] <PetefromTn_> Looking really good so far
[23:09:15] <PetefromTn_> a little break from anodizing mania ;)
[23:18:03] <furrywolf> "looking for volunteers to weedeat" "looking for 2-3 volunteers to weed eat and remove small blackberry starts. must be reliable and hard working. all tools and fuel provided. bring lunch and water." ... wtflol? weedeating is now something someone would volunteer to do for someone else? lol
[23:20:04] <PetefromTn_> Obviously someone who has not learned about weed killer ;)
[23:21:12] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: blackberries.
[23:21:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah and WTF would you weedeat blackberries? Damn things are delicious!!
[23:21:48] <furrywolf> ah. I see you do not have the ones we have here.
[23:22:06] <furrywolf> here they're an invasive species that takes over properties in a matter of years, and are not killable with chemicals.
[23:22:24] <furrywolf> stems up to 2" thick.
[23:22:40] <PetefromTn_> http://www.thehealthjournals.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/BlackburryCologne.jpg ??
[23:23:20] <furrywolf> and the invasive ones aren't even all that tasty. too sweet.
[23:23:39] <PetefromTn_> can a blackberry be TOO SWEET?
[23:23:55] <PetefromTn_> hell send em to me I will eat all you can grab
[23:24:14] <furrywolf> some species of blackberries are _very_ invasive... in parts of australia, for example, it's a crime to have them on your property, and if you don't take care of them, the government will send a crew over and send you the bill.
[23:24:16] <PetefromTn_> my wife makes home made whipped cream and blackberries for a desert all the time
[23:25:06] <furrywolf> they take over trees. I've pulled them out of trees 30ft up...
[23:26:42] <furrywolf> they really like the climate here, and often grow as a perennial, instead of their usual life cycle...
[23:27:25] <furrywolf> and take over EVERYTHING. they'll grow up inside the walls of houses and come out under the eaves. they'll grow into the interior of a parked car in one summer.
[23:27:49] <PetefromTn_> when I was a kid in south Florida we had a neighbor that grew all sorts of plants all over his yard. He had a couple large bushes of them. He also had a couple star fruit trees. We used to sneak over there and munch them up when he was not looking :D
[23:29:10] <furrywolf> blackberries have a unique ability to grow without light, so they're perfectly happy to grow 8ft inside of a wall....
[23:30:46] <furrywolf> they also form networks of multiple root systems connected together... whenever a stem touches the ground, it sprouts a new root ball, and sends up new shoots, but stays connected to the original one.
[23:31:06] <furrywolf> basically, they're unkillable evil. :)
[23:31:28] <PetefromTn_> send me a sprig!
[23:31:47] <furrywolf> I had one get into my water tank once... forced itself under the lid... huge pure white rootball sucking water straight out of the tank and distributing it to the rest of the plants...
[23:34:26] <furrywolf> and if you cut the stems down, the rootball resprouts. if you dig up the root storage lump thingy (often the size of a large potato, sometimes a grapefruit), every single root you broke sprouts into a new plant somewhere along its length...
[23:36:21] <furrywolf> http://farmfolly.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/blackberry_root.jpg they grow those things underground, which store enough nutrients they can keep sending up shoots for years no matter how hard you try to kill them.
[23:36:37] <furrywolf> yes, they're as big as they look in that photo!
[23:37:56] <furrywolf> when you break roots getting them out, every broken root will send up a new shoot somewhere along its length (maybe where you cut it, maybe at the very far end, maybe in the middle...) and start a new plant. if you try poisioning them, the same thing happens. spray them, you get ten times as many plants.
[23:43:27] <PetefromTn_> Interesting
[23:43:39] <PetefromTn_> this program runs for like 2.5 hours
[23:43:49] <PetefromTn_> so I get to sit and watch Star trek ;)
[23:45:18] <furrywolf> lol
[23:45:25] * furrywolf hasn't seen any star trek in years
[23:45:37] <PetefromTn_> NETFLIX
[23:46:15] <XXCoder> what is this some star trek?
[23:46:17] * furrywolf doesn't much care for tv or movies, so has no use for netflix
[23:46:21] <XXCoder> (actual quote)
[23:47:12] <XXCoder> It took them decades to finally get title of show spoken in show lol
[23:48:58] <PetefromTn_> It's my guilty pleasure... I think I am GASP!!! a Trekkie
[23:49:19] <XXCoder> I am one thats for sure.
[23:49:25] <XXCoder> neeerd alert
[23:49:38] <PetefromTn_> musta watched every damn episode of every series over and over by now
[23:49:55] <XXCoder> even tng?
[23:50:01] <PetefromTn_> ESPECIALLY TNG
[23:50:28] * furrywolf liked the catgirl on TAS
[23:50:30] <XXCoder> tngs definitle one that got me hooked. even when I started watching during the awkward first year.
[23:51:13] <PetefromTn_> I think my favorite series is DS9 honestly
[23:51:26] <furrywolf> I'd pick the original series.
[23:51:36] <furrywolf> ds9 too much drama, prophet stupidity, etc.
[23:51:44] <PetefromTn_> Its a classic to be sure
[23:51:58] <XXCoder> ds9 started off bit slow, they had problems writing for series that dont explore.
[23:52:09] <PetefromTn_> but for just plain entertainment I think DS9 was the most interesting with varied charachters and whatnot
[23:52:09] <XXCoder> then they had major problems again, so heyyy war
[23:52:32] <XXCoder> yeah charactors is ds9's super point
[23:52:33] <PetefromTn_> love the bar at quarks
[23:52:56] <PetefromTn_> the dominion
[23:53:07] <PetefromTn_> the bajorans
[23:53:18] <PetefromTn_> cardassians
[23:53:38] <furrywolf> I don't want the show to be about the characters. I want the characters to be DOING SOMETHING. notice how in the original series, all the happenings where the characters vs outside forces, not bickering with each other?
[23:54:03] <PetefromTn_> and I liked that worf and others from TNG were on the show I guess
[23:55:01] <furrywolf> s/where/were
[23:55:52] <PetefromTn_> the only problem I have with TOS is that watching it now it is REALLY hokey and even tho it was ground breaking at the time now it is almost comical to watch it
[23:56:07] <XXCoder> ds9 had cloud of doom few times pete due to problem writing stories for it
[23:56:30] <PetefromTn_> I should write stories for them
[23:56:37] <PetefromTn_> I got some ideas :D
[23:56:39] <XXCoder> tos is fun to watch. did you see enchanced version?
[23:56:44] <XXCoder> better effects and man worlds!!
[23:56:45] <PetefromTn_> no
[23:57:02] <XXCoder> highly recommand. much better effects.
[23:57:12] <XXCoder> zero plot changes and such
[23:57:14] <XXCoder> just effects
[23:57:17] <PetefromTn_> well unless it is on Netflix probably not happenin
[23:57:25] <XXCoder> good question
[23:57:40] <XXCoder> BIG change is no more almost one color planets.
[23:59:37] <furrywolf> given as all the special effects were done by hand, all the planets were drawn be hand, all the backdrops painted by hand, etc, I think they did quite well.
[23:59:59] <XXCoder> earlier planets was better actually