#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-07-04

[00:00:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah well it is not a toy to me. and it is certainly not easy for me to scrape up a grand either
[00:03:11] <furrywolf> I'm hoping to turn my stack of honda generators into things I do need...
[00:03:54] <Jymmm> furrywolf: end of the world and no more electricity?
[00:04:20] <Jymmm> furrywolf: stack? Like how many?
[00:05:07] <furrywolf> Jymmm: I bought a pile of 17 honda inverter generators.
[00:05:26] <furrywolf> so far I've made 3 of them work.
[00:05:40] <Jymmm> what models?
[00:06:15] <Jymmm> EU2000i companion?
[00:06:15] <furrywolf> 4x eu1000i, 5x eu2000i, 5x eu3000is, 2x eu6500is, 1x em7000is.
[00:06:38] <furrywolf> no companions
[00:07:20] <furrywolf> right now I have a working 1000, 2000, and a 3000. got rings for another 3000, but then my back got crunched, and I haven't been able to put them in.
[00:07:32] <Jymmm> Eh, it probably wouldn't be enugh wattage anyway even if I combined the two
[00:07:47] <furrywolf> what're you trying to run?
[00:08:06] <Jymmm> 220@30-50A, not sure on the amperage yet
[00:08:14] <furrywolf> also, I highly suggest the 3000 over the 2000 unless you need the portability. the 3000 is a much more durable unit.
[00:08:26] <furrywolf> ... yeah. you're not going to get 11kW from two 2kW generators.
[00:08:44] <Jymmm> I have a 2000 already, the compain would have given me 220
[00:08:50] <Jymmm> if I link them together
[00:08:58] <furrywolf> no, they only parallel, not series.
[00:09:12] <Jymmm> But when you get a compain you get 220
[00:09:17] <furrywolf> you get 120V at double the amps.
[00:09:23] <furrywolf> no, you don't.
[00:10:23] <Jymmm> Oh, just a twist lock... fuck
[00:10:33] <Jymmm> That's okey, not enough anyway
[00:10:41] <furrywolf> also, 4kw < 11kw. :P
[00:11:06] <furrywolf> you CAN parallel two eu6500is units, which will give you enough power and 220V. this configuration is not supporting by honda, however.
[00:11:14] <Jymmm> I reject your reality and substitute my own!
[00:11:45] <furrywolf> the new eu7000is is officially parallelable, and if you want to spend ten grand, you can have two of them...
[00:12:20] <Jymmm> I found a gen I'm really interested in
[00:13:16] <Jymmm> furrywolf: gas or proane http://www.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP10000E-Portable-Generator-Electric/dp/B0018C6BDE
[00:13:28] <Jymmm> there is a 4400W version too
[00:13:46] <furrywolf> unless you need the portability, an eu3000is is really a much better unit than the eu2000i. also, since the continuous ratings are less than the peak ratings, and the eu3000is'es contintuous is closer to its peak, one 3000 is about the same power as two 2000s.
[00:13:52] <furrywolf> continuous
[00:14:23] <furrywolf> the 2000s are 13A continuous, the 3000 23A continuous.
[00:14:32] <Jymmm> Sorry, THIS is the gas/LP http://www.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP10000EH-Portable-Generator-10000-watt/dp/B00LT8S7IY/ref=cm_rdp_product
[00:14:39] <furrywolf> the 3000 is also quieter than even a single 2000, and outlasts about a truckload of 2000s...
[00:15:15] <Jymmm> I really like the portability of the 2000, and if I need more I can still carry them
[00:15:30] <furrywolf> I can carry a 3000, as long as there's not too many stairs. :P
[00:15:33] <Jymmm> I also made a extended fuel setup
[00:16:28] <Jymmm> furrywolf: did you see the link? gas/lp, pull/electric start
[00:16:54] <furrywolf> the 1000 is the least reliable...
[00:17:08] <furrywolf> they didn't even bother with a cylinder liner, the rings just run on aluminum...
[00:17:31] <Jymmm> And now you know why I change the oil every 8 hours =)
[00:17:36] <furrywolf> yes, most of those chinese generators are crap.
[00:17:49] <Jymmm> really good reciews on this one though
[00:18:25] <Jymmm> and all good cutomer support
[00:18:45] <furrywolf> reviews are generally written on purchase, not a couple years of light use later when it stops working. :)
[00:19:20] <Jymmm> True, but I read a couple 4yo ones
[00:20:32] <furrywolf> "If you purchase this product, don't expect much help for the supplier/distributor."
[00:21:06] <Jymmm> yes, the reseller
[00:21:09] <Jymmm> not the company
[00:24:33] <Jymmm> furrywolf: But, if you get em running and looking to get rid of one, I might be interested
[00:25:21] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I really like the propane option, but the kits are too damn expensive
[00:26:00] <furrywolf> I have 3 running now, will have another 3000 as soon as I can put back together the one I got rings for...
[00:26:46] <furrywolf> I put a new head on it (came with no head), and found it burned oil excessively. Ordered rings, honed the cylinder... then got my back crunched so now I'm useless, and it's sitting waiting to be put back together.
[00:28:08] <furrywolf> going to have a complete rebuild by the time it's back together!
[00:28:12] <zeeshan|2> gimme oen generator :{
[00:29:21] * furrywolf gives zee the parts 3000
[00:30:14] <furrywolf> it has no head, cam, inverter, starter, carb, fuel valve, oil drain, or exhaust, so it'll cost the least to ship.
[00:40:03] * furrywolf did absolutely nothing useful again today
[00:40:06] <furrywolf> very sick of this!
[00:47:26] * zeeshan|2 slaps furrywolf
[00:47:28] <zeeshan|2> d something useful!
[00:47:33] <zeeshan|2> i got a lot accomplished today
[00:47:55] <zeeshan|2> i hope research goes well from now on
[00:48:00] <zeeshan|2> was slow as shit for a long time
[00:49:47] * zeeshan|2 needs to finish school so i can buy a real cnc
[00:49:49] <zeeshan|2> cnc lathe!
[00:53:51] <furrywolf> it's hard to be useful when everything hurts.
[00:54:15] <zeeshan|2> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/mississauga-peel-region/daewoo-puma-cnc-lathe/1083699187?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[00:54:18] <zeeshan|2> perfect lathe for what i want
[00:55:51] <furrywolf> so what do you do to rebuild an engine with an unlined bore? I have an eu1000 that burns oil. just stick rings in it and hope it's good? seems the cylinder would wear faster than the rings, though...
[00:57:21] <zeeshan|2> unlined bore?
[00:57:22] <zeeshan|2> its aluminum?
[00:58:08] <furrywolf> yes
[00:58:12] <zeeshan|2> wow lol
[01:04:55] * furrywolf notes that's not a helpful answer. :P
[01:05:28] <furrywolf> google seems to suggest that just sticking rings in it is the best option
[01:06:04] <furrywolf> I don't have enough parts to build any good 1000s without buying something... I have a shortage of carbs and mufflers.
[01:06:21] <furrywolf> only one good carb and one adequate muffler, and I put them on the unit I already fixed.
[01:07:48] <zeeshan|2> if youre selling it
[01:07:49] <zeeshan|2> who cares
[01:07:53] <zeeshan|2> put some new ring sin
[01:07:56] <zeeshan|2> keep the gap tight
[01:07:59] <zeeshan|2> call it a day
[01:08:13] <furrywolf> can't sell one with no carb or muffler. heh.
[01:08:49] <furrywolf> I got three mufflers between the four units... one plugged solid with carbon, one full of oil (the one I put on the unit I fixed), and one with a bunch of holes drilled into it, making it more of a diffuser than a muffler...
[01:09:22] <zeeshan|2> do the mufflers have wool in em
[01:09:24] <zeeshan|2> or fiberglass
[01:09:33] <zeeshan|2> or is it just a perforated tube
[01:09:34] <zeeshan|2> within a can
[01:09:35] <furrywolf> I stuck my garden hose in the plugged one... it held 60psi.
[01:09:38] <furrywolf> no idea.
[01:09:49] <zeeshan|2> just dip it in some aggressive cleaner :P
[01:10:10] <zeeshan|2> diesel cleans that stuff up pretty good
[01:10:10] <zeeshan|2> :D
[01:10:28] <furrywolf> I got two carbs, but one broke removing the fuel bowl... the float was stuck to the bowl, and came off with it. ouch.
[01:10:47] <zeeshan|2> fix it
[01:11:05] <furrywolf> broken non-removable bits.
[01:11:15] <furrywolf> the float survived. the mounting tabs for it did not.
[01:12:36] <furrywolf> by the time I put a $80 carb, $70 muffler, $20 ring set, and many hours of labor into a 1000W gen, not going to make any profit. heh. need to find cheap used parts.
[01:14:00] <furrywolf> and, no, none of the $25 carbs on ebay that claim to fit actually do.
[01:14:21] <furrywolf> they're just chinese crap dealers spamming ebay with the wrong parts.
[01:14:35] <zeeshan|2> =/
[01:15:17] * furrywolf wishes there was a policy against this, but ebay doesn't care if customers get ripped off as long as ebay gets their fees.
[01:15:27] <zeeshan|2> flea market
[01:15:30] <zeeshan|2> buy beware :/
[01:15:33] <zeeshan|2> *buyer
[01:17:58] <furrywolf> I have several spare eu2000 mufflers... I could mount one external to the generator on a spacer block and sell it as an extra-quiet version for more money.
[01:21:11] * zeeshan|2 has no clue about the generator market
[01:21:20] <zeeshan|2> i have a spare engine id like to make a generator out of
[01:22:00] <zeeshan|2> fak i think its time to clean m y fan for my comp
[01:22:02] <zeeshan|2> its overheating
[01:33:17] <zeeshan> much better
[01:33:19] <zeeshan> back to 36c
[01:33:22] <zeeshan> from 64
[01:33:22] <zeeshan> :D
[01:37:58] <furrywolf> lol
[01:38:35] <furrywolf> I've never seen an oversized muffler attached to one of these... I was just thinking of how to save me money AND claim it's feature. :P
[01:45:22] <furrywolf> LOL! Found a forum post from someone living in an area where gas-powered leaf blowers are banned (yay HOAs...). his solution was to strap the eu1000i generator to a backpack frame and run his electric leaf blower while wearing it.
[01:47:07] <Jymmm> LMAO
[01:47:29] <Jymmm> Too bad the 1000 is quite
[01:59:40] <furrywolf> that's just a great "this'll teach 'em!" solution.
[01:59:53] <furrywolf> it'd be even better if he pulled the muffler off and wore earplugs.
[02:00:13] <Jymmm> Or used wood powered just to rub it in
[02:00:47] <Jymmm> Technically a generator is gas powered
[02:01:11] <Jymmm> or diesel
[02:01:21] <Jymmm> a diesel generator, loud and stinky
[02:01:35] <Jymmm> it's not gas =)
[02:02:29] <Jymmm> or one of those cheap HF 2 stroke generators, I'm sure they're loud
[02:04:22] <MrSunshine> stroke generators ? sounds unhealthy =)
[02:04:46] <Jymmm> lol
[02:07:04] <furrywolf> and/or kinky, depending on what kind of stroking.
[02:10:34] <furrywolf> what size ER collet set is appropriate for my shoptask? I'm thinking ER25?
[02:11:32] <furrywolf> that goes up to 5/8"... I can't imagine my machine being useful with anything with a larger shank. heh.
[02:18:35] <furrywolf> or would I be better off getting a smaller set and getting some morse taper collets for the larger sizes?
[02:20:55] <archivist> or both, morse taper collets seem more accurate but have a reduced size range
[02:21:32] <furrywolf> I mostly will be using small tools, and er collets are much cheaper than mt3 collets...
[02:22:42] <furrywolf> probably a lot stronger to run 5/8 and 3/4" tools right in mt3 collets...
[02:25:43] <archivist> for endmills I used morse taper, much longer straighter grip
[02:26:27] <furrywolf> I have a lot of endmills with 1/4" shanks...
[02:27:17] <furrywolf> ER collet sets seem like the cheapest way to get all the little sizes
[02:27:28] <archivist> cheap chinese ER are not that straight, your endmills will have a wobble
[02:28:20] <furrywolf> hrmm. they claim stupidly good runouts...
[02:28:36] <furrywolf> are cheap chinese mt3 any better?
[02:29:00] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Set-Precisoin-8pcs-1-8-3-4-MT3-M12-collet-Morse-taper-collet-CNC-Milling-/281165653745 looking at the pictures, I'm guessing no. lol
[02:29:02] <archivist> they measure the runouts too close to the chuck :(
[02:29:06] <furrywolf> some of them don't even look round...
[02:29:50] <archivist> or just get one offs of the sizes you need
[02:29:57] <furrywolf> and they cost double
[02:30:42] <archivist> I have got stuff from that supplier
[02:30:44] <furrywolf> buying two sizes costs about the same as buying a whole set. lol
[02:31:14] <furrywolf> also, I want the little bit of extra reach a collet holder will give me.
[02:31:35] <furrywolf> stupid shoptask Z doesn't get anywhere near the table.
[02:32:05] <Jymmm> Did you salvage your solar panels?
[02:32:44] <furrywolf> ?
[02:33:07] <Jymmm> You didn't buy them brand new from a dealer, did you?
[02:33:33] <furrywolf> of course not.
[02:34:16] <Jymmm> lucky find or you know a guy?
[02:34:22] <Jymmm> and can get more
[02:34:42] <archivist> after a while you realise you dont need to get too close to the table, I had to jack my column up for the rotary axes all depends on work you do
[02:35:02] <furrywolf> craigslist, yard sales.
[02:35:08] <Jymmm> k
[02:35:18] <furrywolf> archivist: eh, quite the opposite, every single thing I've done on it I've had to put on blocks...
[02:35:35] <furrywolf> I was machining with a wooden 4x4 under it the other day...
[02:37:15] <furrywolf> it's a bit annoying when your tools stop 4" from the table!
[02:37:49] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Heh "pulled" http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/eld/5090661065.html
[02:38:11] <Jymmm> Eh almost $1/watt, not bad, included charge controller
[02:38:17] <furrywolf> that's a crap price.
[02:39:02] <Jymmm> Theres this http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/eld/5100285935.html
[02:39:42] <furrywolf> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/for/5092648794.html if you don't mind amorphous, those are reasonably cheap
[02:39:44] <Jymmm> but it's 37v
[02:40:05] <furrywolf> if it says "by dealer" on top, look elsewhere.
[02:40:23] <furrywolf> but at least that's a normal price, not a fucking ripoff like the first one you pasted.
[02:41:06] <Jymmm> amorphous is the old school, isn't it?
[02:41:29] <Jymmm> like shadows will degrade the output
[02:41:33] <furrywolf> that's a 20V panel, with 60 cells. they're great when used with a mppt charge controller or a grid-tie inverter. they're crap for direct battery charging.
[02:42:01] <furrywolf> I don't know about shadows, but they are supposed to have a shorter life, yes. but, $0.58/watt new...
[02:42:10] <Jymmm> ah
[02:42:35] <furrywolf> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/grd/5105547126.html now those are old-school. :)
[02:43:25] <Jymmm> I'm hating the word "vintage" anymore
[02:43:58] <Jymmm> "Solar Generator" gimme a fucking break http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ele/5098414995.html
[02:44:12] <furrywolf> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/for/5100643336.html is cheapish, but the seller sounds like a dick.
[02:45:17] <furrywolf> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/hsh/5103193985.html LOL. mud carrizo panels, one broken. proper price about $5.
[02:45:44] <Jymmm> $75 or trash
[02:45:48] <Jymmm> lol
[02:46:09] <Jymmm> I DO know where to get replacement cells =)
[02:46:35] <furrywolf> those are old arco panels, probably pulls from the carrizo power plant.
[02:47:07] <Jymmm> I can't remember whats better and why.... poly or mono?
[02:47:58] <furrywolf> mono is better, but the difference has gotten a lot smaller lately.
[02:49:34] <Jymmm> Damn, good price but that's not 12V for sure
[02:49:55] <furrywolf> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/for/5103863903.html that's the best deal I've seen yet.
[02:51:08] <furrywolf> although they're about halfway up here from there...
[02:51:22] <Jymmm> 35V
[02:51:30] <furrywolf> $.42/watt
[02:52:04] <furrywolf> yes. those are 24V panels, with 72 cells.
[02:52:15] <furrywolf> 36 cells = 12V, 60 cells = 20V, 72 cells = 24V.
[02:52:30] <Jymmm> I'm trying to do a 12V setup. 150W would be great
[02:52:44] <furrywolf> with a mppt charge controller or grid-tie inverter, the panel voltage is irrelevant.
[02:52:52] <furrywolf> ah, you want tiny.
[02:53:17] <furrywolf> if I had a spare 3K, I'd pick up that set...
[02:53:36] <Jymmm> Basically I want a whole house fan running on solar in the summer =)
[02:54:08] <Jymmm> but battery otherwise for use in winter
[02:54:15] <Jymmm> for other things
[02:54:34] <furrywolf> those Sharp panels are a lot better quality than most
[02:55:05] <Jymmm> But not gonna drive to BFE =)
[02:55:29] <Jymmm> for 35V panels that is
[02:56:17] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> with a mppt charge controller or grid-tie inverter, the panel voltage is irrelevant.
[02:56:42] <Jymmm> MY mppt charge is 65W max
[02:56:55] <furrywolf> then get one that doesn't suck. :P
[02:57:13] <furrywolf> http://www.freecleansolar.com/180W-solar-panels-Sharp-NT-180U1-mono-p/nt-180u1.htm same sharp panels $425/each. :P
[02:57:18] <furrywolf> as I said, better panels than most.
[02:57:24] <Jymmm> I just want the larger panel for fall and spring
[02:58:21] <furrywolf> as I said, if I had 3k spare, I'd drive down there and get those!
[02:58:47] <Jymmm> This is what I have https://genasun.com/products-store/mppt-solar-charge-controllers/
[02:59:58] <furrywolf> you have every single model listed on that page, eh?
[03:00:40] <Jymmm> https://genasun.com/all-products/solar-charge-controllers/for-lead/gv-5-pb-5a-solar-charge-controller/
[03:00:56] <Jymmm> 27V max
[03:01:53] <furrywolf> ... wtf? they're doing something stupid and/or fake, then.
[03:02:14] <furrywolf> maybe they just cheaped out on the transistors...
[03:03:02] <furrywolf> http://www.altestore.com/store/Charge-Controllers/Solar-Charge-Controllers/MPPT-Solar-Charge-Controllers/Outback-Solar-Charge-Controllers-MPPT/Outback-Mx60-60A12-48V-Mppt-Charge-Controller/p860/ is what I have.
[03:04:24] <furrywolf> bbl, it's 3 hours past my bedtime.
[03:04:57] <Jymmm> gnight
[03:05:46] <furrywolf> one of the big benefits of a mppt charge controller is you can string lots of panels in series, using less, thinner wiring.
[03:06:01] <furrywolf> a maximum voltage that only allows a single panel rather defeats that
[03:06:01] <furrywolf> bbl
[03:17:14] <Deejay> moin
[06:43:32] <robinsz> question ... on the standard distro .. is there a calculator? gcalc didnt seem to be installed
[06:43:41] <robinsz> or gedit for that matter
[06:44:04] <Deejay> gcalctool?
[06:44:16] <Deejay> if not, just install it :)
[06:44:25] <robinsz> which is kinda weird, because gedit is the standard text editor in axis
[06:44:58] <robinsz> "just install it" is difficult, no interweb in the location the machine is in
[06:45:27] <Deejay> hm
[06:45:52] <robinsz> so it's "gcalctool" thats installed, ok, so long as I know what it;s called its not a problem
[06:47:45] <robinsz> any ideas on gedit? really strange its configured as the default text editor in Axis, but not on the system
[06:49:15] <Deejay> nope, sorry, no idea
[06:49:32] <robinsz> I wish the system had less bloat on it
[06:49:51] <robinsz> so much crap to remove
[06:51:31] <robinsz> oh well, anyway, at least I'll be able to find the calculator now :)
[07:33:04] <Tom_itx> install it... i did
[07:33:26] <XXCoder> just get ti-84
[07:33:33] <XXCoder> I use mine at work now
[07:33:37] <Deejay> hihi
[07:33:43] <Tom_itx> for gedit?
[07:34:01] <XXCoder> for any calculation needs
[07:35:05] <XXCoder> one negative though is that it uses batteries pretty fast lol
[07:35:28] <Jymmm> Heh, I had found that a Ti calculator to be too slow, so I got a HP20S instead. MUCH faster!
[07:35:47] <XXCoder> jy probably but then I reused one I bought in 2004
[07:35:55] <XXCoder> ti-84
[07:36:18] <XXCoder> I just saw modern version, hella different
[07:36:23] <XXCoder> anyway night
[07:36:40] <archivist> cannot cut and paste from a desk calc to an editor on a pc
[07:37:00] <Jymmm> archivist: You are just not trying hard enough
[07:39:53] <Jymmm> archivist: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e7/6c/38/e76c38369e03667be36cbf73b7ca3868.jpg
[07:39:55] <jthornton> xfce or whatever it is doesn't even have a calculator that you can find
[07:44:36] <archivist> want one http://mbccmm.com/cmmq/index.php/past-articles/dmsc-special-edition/190-renishaw-and-standards-dmis-5-2
[07:45:55] * jthornton would be happy with a crappy homemade one
[07:46:54] <archivist> I have been wondering how to go about home made
[07:47:22] <jthornton> I have some cad files on one or two
[07:48:02] <archivist> but all the better ones now use strain gauges not contacts
[07:48:56] <archivist> the contact designs have some inherent error
[07:49:51] <jthornton> I'm sure my machines would not know the difference in accuracy or lack of
[07:50:19] <archivist> renishaw publish enough info to rubbish their older contact designs in favour of the newer
[07:51:46] <jthornton> I would too if I was wanting everyone to upgrade
[07:52:56] <archivist> I have an old contact one (not renishaw) that has way too much spring pressure for sensible use
[07:57:21] <jthornton> factory made probe?
[08:02:49] <archivist> yes
[08:03:41] <archivist> an old valeron/digital techniques one http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=probe+PD
[08:32:53] <jthornton> uh oh you voided the warrenty
[08:33:09] <archivist> whooooo meeee
[08:34:37] <archivist> cant get the correct batteries for it anyway, tried a hack with some leds and a voltage source, the contacts were terrible
[08:35:04] <jthornton> what does the circuit board do?
[08:35:15] <archivist> since those pics been deeper into it
[08:35:49] <archivist> I think it modulated the LEDs with a signal to the rx
[08:36:09] <jthornton> http://www.homemetalshopclub.org/news/12/presentation_1202.pdf
[08:42:54] <archivist> note that his effective diameter is less that real diameter, this is the spring needed to release the contact, also varies around the circle with a triangular varying error term
[08:44:01] <archivist> but mostly he has researched reasonably, just missed the circularity test :)
[08:46:05] <archivist> I started to make a mount for mine to fit mt2 but stopped when I found the contacts to be less than good and felt the non equal spring with direction
[08:48:19] <archivist> then did more research and found the strain gauge design.....oooo shiny
[08:51:27] <furrywolf> "his effective diameter is less than his real diameter"... there has to be a joke there somewhere.
[08:52:02] <archivist> needs to rattle it about a bit !
[08:54:34] <archivist> page two shows the error circle http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/renishaw/Technical article: OMP400 - strain gauge probe - Renishaw probing technology and the new OMP400.pdf
[08:54:59] <archivist> will need to copy paste to get that one :)
[09:17:30] <jthornton> even the old one is better than my BP mill by a factor of 10 lol
[09:20:12] <archivist> and a factor of a 100 better than http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DT02-Universal-CNC-Center-Low-power-Wireless-Tool-Setting-Gauge-Presetter-Device-/151731119972 probably
[09:21:49] <archivist> it is in a grotty plastic box how can they state it is good to .01 mm
[09:25:04] <JT-Shop> probably worth 37 cents
[09:28:42] <malcom2073> My dad got one of those 6-ball $90 digitizing probes, be interesting to see how long it lasts
[09:30:26] <JT-Shop> link?
[09:30:40] <malcom2073> Let me see if Ican find the email
[09:34:43] <malcom2073> Bah, I found the email of him telling me it works, and that he took a point cloud off a piece of angled aluminum... but I can't find the link :/
[09:43:31] <malcom2073> I'll have to bug him for more information and report back, sorry :/
[09:51:42] * archivist bugs malcom2073 too
[09:52:06] <malcom2073> If I remember correctly it was some homebrew thing some guy is building/selling
[09:54:38] <malcom2073> zeeshan: You up yet?
[09:56:52] <archivist> even worse http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Newest-CNC-Router-MACH3-Engraving-Machine-Tools-for-Auto-Check-Instrument-/201336777712
[09:57:22] <malcom2073> Lol that's cute
[09:57:48] <archivist> one of these? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CNC-3D-Digitizing-Probe-for-Mach3-Stepper-Motor-routers-Lowest-Cost-Qualityprobe-/330685665791
[09:58:23] <malcom2073> I think his was metal
[09:58:29] <malcom2073> That's uh... heh quite cute too
[10:00:46] <archivist> more professional looking http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CNC-Mill-Touch-Probe-Digitizing-1-4-adj-shank-for-Mach3-LinuxCNC-Router-shark-/131538218590
[10:14:47] <malcom2073> zeeshan: http://i.imgur.com/uj5Ik23.png
[10:15:10] <malcom2073> 8052x scale
[10:17:31] <archivist> spindle looks wrong not bent as much as the fram it is mounted on
[10:25:41] <JT-Shop> looks like a decent probe
[10:26:14] <JT-Shop> crap, I need to make some hitch fenders and pc them
[10:26:45] <furrywolf> I'll need some kind of tool sensor at some point. I hate, hate, hate, re-touching-off to change tools.
[10:27:22] <os1r1s> archivist: Stay away from that one. I have it
[10:27:38] <furrywolf> I don't need wireless... I'm perfectly happy to run a couple wires to the corner of the table somewhere. :P
[10:28:54] <SpeedEvil> you mean to work out what tool is in?
[10:29:13] <archivist> os1r1s, not going to buy them, more likely to make a strain gauge type one
[10:29:20] <furrywolf> no, to work out how far the tool sticks out.
[10:29:25] <SpeedEvil> ah
[10:29:36] <os1r1s> archivist: I use it, but it sticks occasionally. And I had to do a few things to make it work reliably.
[10:30:25] <archivist> my probing problem is more complex see cutter here http://www.archivist.info/cnc/target.php
[10:31:04] <os1r1s> archivist: This one is interesting for a cheap one ... http://wildhorse-innovations.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=80
[10:31:23] <furrywolf> so, to continue last night's question... what collet set should I get? I'm thinking of getting an ER20 chuck and collet set, which covers up to 1/2", then purchasing 5/8 or 3/4 MT3 collets if I have need of them.
[10:31:39] <os1r1s> archivist: Very nice. I have some involute cutters I'd like to get to using :)
[10:32:32] <archivist> and that cutter is a large one for me the watch gear size cutters are a lot smaller
[10:33:28] <os1r1s> archivist: And I'm guessing you don't want to set up a tool table and measure once. You want to retest for each mounted tool?
[10:33:47] <furrywolf> I could also get ER25, which does up to 5/8".... or ER32 which does up to 3/4"...
[10:34:27] <archivist> with er or morse collets you cannot have anything in a tool table, have to measure
[10:35:04] <furrywolf> yes.
[10:35:26] <archivist> I current eyeball the centre line, an utter pia
[10:35:27] <furrywolf> hence why I commented on the discussion on tool sensors above, because I am aware of this need. :)
[10:36:29] <archivist> all the systems assume tool tip (end mill), not what I need
[10:36:48] <SpeedEvil> Surely if the collet has an end, you can push all tools to the stop?
[10:37:04] <SpeedEvil> And get some sort of repeatability
[10:37:13] <archivist> they dont have backstops usually
[10:37:17] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: collets do not have ends. collets with ends would be very annoying.
[10:37:26] <os1r1s> archivist: Gotcha. No option for a toolholder?
[10:37:30] <furrywolf> the solution is a tool length sensor.
[10:37:36] <SpeedEvil> Hmm
[10:37:44] <archivist> second op collets do have backstops
[10:38:10] <furrywolf> it's just a switch that you bump with the tool, so it knows how far the tool sticks out.
[10:38:15] <furrywolf> and I'm fairly sure linuxcnc has support for this...
[10:38:30] <archivist> os1r1s, many cutters all with differing centre holes and thicknesses
[10:38:34] <os1r1s> I wonder if anyone has done work on machinevision for tool length measurement on linuxcnc. We have that at work on some of the big machines.
[10:38:35] <greg__> Some collet holders will have threaded stops. I've been touching off the material every tool mounted in an ER chuck for so long i stopped thinking about it.
[10:39:16] <furrywolf> I hate re-touching-off.
[10:39:51] <archivist> camera would seem to be the right solution but that has its own errors too
[10:39:53] <greg__> what kind of spindle?
[10:40:03] <furrywolf> I have a MT3 spindle
[10:42:19] <archivist> morse collet has two contact surfaces, ER holder in a morse taper has more two in the holder and two in the collet plus the nut that can be eccentric
[10:43:37] <greg__> true of any taper? like in a VMC
[10:44:01] <furrywolf> I don't see much in the way of MT3 collets for small sizes, and they're stupidly expensive. they look like they should cost less than ER collets, only having four slots rather than a fancy spring shape, and yet they cost several times more...
[10:44:43] <archivist> more to grind parallel
[10:45:15] <greg__> MT3 tooling is not common. i have one too
[10:45:56] <furrywolf> also, I have a MT3 extension if I want to mill at table height, at I can't use MT collets with it.
[10:48:25] <furrywolf> s/at/and
[10:49:45] <JT-Shop> touching off z with a dowel is so quick and easy and repeatable
[10:50:17] <furrywolf> eh?
[10:51:56] <PetefromTn_> yup thats what I do currently
[10:52:16] <JT-Shop> the patented cradek touch off method
[10:52:46] <PetefromTn_> I seriously doubt it was cradek that invented it no offense to cradek LOL
[10:53:16] <JT-Shop> well he taught me how lol
[10:53:54] <greg__> Tormach has an MT3 collet for thier TTS system.
[10:54:16] <PetefromTn_> yup
[10:55:58] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop ever thought of lowering the tool below the dowel (tool probing) then touching the dowel on it and raising it until the signal breaks?
[10:56:02] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, you get your power supply and anodize anything?
[10:56:58] <JT-Shop> never though of that but, that seems like a lot more time putting the wire on the tool than just stopping when the dowel goes under
[10:57:01] <Tom_itx> hmm, that might not be quite as accurate
[10:57:11] <PetefromTn_> I did indeed get my power supply and I have ordered a bunch of stuff from Caswell plating I have not yet received. I also need to get with Captainhindsight about the dyes I need.
[10:57:48] <PetefromTn_> I lower the tool until the dowl does not go under and then increment up in .0001 until it just slides under
[10:59:08] <JT-Shop> I do the same but realize that the BP is not that accurate on Z so I just use 0.001" jog increments
[11:00:47] <PetefromTn_> rewrote my soft jaw program yesterday to make the oval shaped holes for the vise bolts so I can use BOTH sides of the jaws. Ran it and it seemed to work good other than a lot of Z raises LOL.
[11:00:51] <PetefromTn_> about 7 minutes
[11:02:14] <Tom_itx> your bolts aren't recessed in them?
[11:02:23] <PetefromTn_> sure
[11:02:29] <Tom_itx> they must be extra thick to use both sides
[11:02:32] <PetefromTn_> 1" jaws recessed 3/4 inch
[11:03:01] <Tom_itx> or i'm not following along
[11:03:07] <furrywolf> I need a vise.
[11:03:10] <PetefromTn_> if the holes are ovaled out
[11:03:13] <furrywolf> all I have now is a craftsman drillpress vise.
[11:03:26] <PetefromTn_> and the holes in the vise are not centered vertically which they are not
[11:03:43] <PetefromTn_> you can flip the sacrificial jaws over and use the other side
[11:04:03] <Tom_itx> so slotted in Z not X
[11:04:40] <PetefromTn_> http://www.monster-jaws.com/ebay/8RJV8251A_DWG_EBAY.jpg
[11:05:13] <PetefromTn_> yeah in Z
[11:05:17] <PetefromTn_> not X
[11:05:26] <JT-Shop> so you get 4 sides now to cut up?
[11:05:55] <PetefromTn_> I have a BUNCH of sacrificial jaws here I used for other jobs that are only cut on top now I can recut the holes and use the bottoms
[11:06:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah or 2 sides actually
[11:06:29] <PetefromTn_> 2 sides of each pair of jaws
[11:06:55] <PetefromTn_> I did see some sort of setup that used square jaws that you can use three sides once as I recall
[11:07:27] <Tom_itx> aluminum isn't that expensive
[11:07:49] <Tom_itx> scrap
[11:07:50] <PetefromTn_> nope
[11:08:16] <PetefromTn_> and honestly if you look on Ebay premade soft jaws like that are sold cheaper than you could ever build them for including shipping really
[11:09:08] <Tom_itx> is your vise 6 or 8"?
[11:09:13] <Tom_itx> the dwg shows 8"
[11:09:30] <Tom_itx> those are big vises
[11:09:51] <PetefromTn_> that is not my drawing
[11:09:57] <PetefromTn_> and mine is 6"
[11:10:05] <PetefromTn_> 8" kurts are bigass vises
[11:10:10] <PetefromTn_> very heavy
[11:10:14] <Tom_itx> and more $$$
[11:10:20] <Tom_itx> yeah my bud had a few
[11:10:37] <Tom_itx> normally used 6"
[11:11:14] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I want to get another 6" er here at some point.
[11:12:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah I just posted that photo so you could see what I was talking about.
[11:12:31] <Tom_itx> http://www.kurtworkholding.com/manual-vise-base-cast-english-p-2820-l-en.html
[11:12:35] <Tom_itx> and a couple like that
[11:13:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[11:13:19] <furrywolf> I need a 4-6" vise... something better than my craftsman drillpress vise.
[11:13:23] <PetefromTn_> I actually could probably use a double vise maybe with 20" of Y travel
[11:13:39] <PetefromTn_> but I am unwilling to dump that much cash into one at this point.
[11:13:50] <PetefromTn_> Maybe I can find a used one somewhere for less
[11:14:15] <greg__> Kurt has a new dovetailed soft jaw system that looks interesting
[11:15:07] <greg__> bought my kurt new off ebay for half price
[11:15:23] <PetefromTn_> I got mine from ebay too but not for half price.
[11:15:32] <PetefromTn_> I got it brand new for $500.00 shipped
[11:16:58] <greg__> you can get some used that look pretty good for a couple hundred sometimes, even the double vises. Auctions around here are stupid high.
[11:17:03] <furrywolf> I'm more looking at the $50 ones that NASA used as miniatures to stage apollo photos. (you know, where the top makes a good stand-in for the surface of the moon, craters and all....)
[11:21:47] <CaptHindsight> those were all sold at secret auctions by the Masons to Russia, China, japan etc to stage their space missions
[11:24:16] <greg__> china is getting their money's worth then
[11:29:04] <Dimroy> can i use linuxcnc avec a arduino uno + gsheield ?
[11:29:52] <CaptHindsight> Dimroy: Linuxcnc doesn't run in arduino
[11:30:00] <CaptHindsight> in/on
[11:30:55] <Dimroy> thanks ^^
[11:31:42] <CaptHindsight> Dimroy: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EMC2_Supported_Hardware x86 out of the box and on experimentally on ARM
[11:32:09] <Tom_itx> maybe someday an arm-duino will
[11:33:10] <CaptHindsight> had it running on the cubie2 yesterday
[11:33:27] <Tom_itx> SPI?
[11:33:41] <Tom_itx> that or ether would be ok
[11:34:32] <CaptHindsight> just the SIM. hm2_eth built but I don't have an ethernet PCI card now
[11:34:49] <Tom_itx> running mesa hardware will arm keep up ok?
[11:35:30] <CaptHindsight> found out that 3D accel is only available by using the binary drivers
[11:35:42] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight what are you using this for?
[11:36:33] <CaptHindsight> https://github.com/ssvb/xf86-video-fbturbo has 2D accel
[11:37:19] <CaptHindsight> and the multimedia codecs can play back HD video just great
[11:37:35] <Roguish> hey all. anyone know HOMING_WITH_INDEX ?????
[11:38:01] <PetefromTn_> I am using it..
[11:38:03] <Jymmm> 2d Accel?! Hell, let's bring back monochrome CRT's while we're at it <rolls eyes>
[11:38:09] <Roguish> my servos don't stop at the index.
[11:38:24] <CaptHindsight> just OpenGL ES 2.0 acceleration
[11:38:36] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: (just teasing ;)
[11:39:08] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: just testing hm2_eth on ARM
[11:39:10] <PetefromTn_> honestly it took some fiddling to get the home setting to work properly on my VMC
[11:39:25] <Roguish> index is there. i set up a simple classicladder to latch a pin when the index is seen
[11:39:29] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight OK
[11:39:34] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Did you tell it to click it's heels together?
[11:39:46] <PetefromTn_> three times!
[11:39:54] <CaptHindsight> if it works I can build and ARM + FPGA card that is really small for ~$50
[11:40:01] <Jymmm> and give it a pair of ruby red shoes too?
[11:40:23] <PetefromTn_> ruby red cheeks from hitting the limits is more like it...DOH!
[11:40:30] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini_homing.html#_home_use_index
[11:40:33] <CaptHindsight> I also want to test PCIe on ARM with HM2
[11:40:42] <Tom_itx> Roguish, did it get renamed?
[11:40:48] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: See, THATS the problem... You know how girls are about shoes
[11:41:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah my girl is definitely finnicky
[11:41:11] <CaptHindsight> SPI on the Allwinners has never worked well
[11:42:09] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: =)
[11:42:54] <zeeshan> malcom2073: something is up with your connections between different components in your simulation
[11:43:00] <Roguish> Tom_itx; no. it's HOME_USE_INDEX. i've been all over the docs, and trying all kinds of permutations. no success.
[11:43:31] <PetefromTn_> but she makes some prettty parts!! http://i.imgur.com/J1zKjuy.jpg
[11:43:32] <Roguish> directions work, speeds work, index is definitely there and seen.
[11:43:37] <JT-Shop> Roguish, I use homing with index on the CHNC
[11:43:48] <Roguish> using hm2 with 5i20
[11:44:03] <Roguish> not really sure about all the 'mask' setting .
[11:44:04] <JT-Shop> yea same here
[11:44:07] <Tom_itx> index is a read/write thing i believe... is it getting reset?
[11:44:30] <Tom_itx> it should be automatic with hardware
[11:45:00] <JT-Shop> HOME_USE_INDEX = YES
[11:45:50] <Tom_itx> i was testing my spindle index and only getting one pulse until i actually hooked it in the system so it got reset
[11:46:54] <Roguish> it's .....encoder.01.input-index should it be high or low when 'on' i have an HP heds encoder that is a single tiny line on the encoder
[11:46:57] <JT-Shop> config files http://gnipsel.com/files/chnc/configuration/
[11:47:13] <Tom_itx> yeah
[11:47:13] <PetefromTn_> Damn I am out of black powder for my shop built black powder cannon!!
[11:47:33] <Tom_itx> also on mine i had to add pullups since the output was open collector
[11:47:37] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tuning/encoder.html
[11:47:51] <Tom_itx> i can't remember about the HP HEDS ones if they are or aren't
[11:48:52] <zeeshan> Roguish: http://i.imgur.com/Vb7PkGn.png
[11:48:57] <zeeshan> er
[11:48:59] <zeeshan> wrong pic
[11:49:22] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Uh.... you TRULY suck if you didn't pre-order ample amounts of explosives/pyrotechnics on THIS of all days of the year.
[11:49:31] <zeeshan> but it should be high
[11:49:34] <zeeshan> when on
[11:49:43] <PetefromTn_> I must suck then heh
[11:50:00] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Man, I would have ordered like in May!
[11:50:01] <PetefromTn_> I did manage to make it out late last night and visit out local high explosives stand tho
[11:50:28] <PetefromTn_> Got a bunch of mortars, bottle rockets, roman candles, you name it...
[11:50:28] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Well shit, those have gun powder in them, vut them baby open!!!
[11:50:30] <Tom_itx> Roguish, here's the 9000 series PDF: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/pdf/MC68332/heds9000.pdf
[11:50:35] <Jymmm> cut*
[11:50:36] <Tom_itx> they're all similar
[11:50:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah I suppose I could do that.
[11:51:05] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: PLEASE be sure to wear a grounding strap
[11:51:34] <PetefromTn_> I load my little cannon up with toilet paper wadding and black powder and fire it off during the day....ya know to wake up the neighbors!
[11:51:49] <Roguish> Tom_itx: that's why i like the hp style encoders.
[11:52:03] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/pdf/MC68332/hedl550x.pdf
[11:52:07] <Tom_itx> 550 series
[11:52:24] <JT-Shop> I should roll mine out and slide 3oz of F down the barrel with a tin foil cannon ball
[11:52:43] <Tom_itx> wait til midnight
[11:52:55] <JT-Shop> what and wake myself up
[11:52:59] <Tom_itx> hah
[11:53:00] <Tom_itx> true
[11:53:00] <JT-Shop> you gotta be kidding
[11:53:18] <Tom_itx> put it on a timer
[11:54:04] <PetefromTn_> Never thought of tinfoil
[11:54:15] <Tom_itx> hedge apples
[11:55:13] <Tom_itx> http://www.americanpotager.com/wp-content/uploads/hedgeapple.jpg
[11:55:14] <PetefromTn_> I might run down to walmart and pickup some Black powder
[11:55:53] <Roguish> JT-Shop: your note on the 'tuning' page says unlink the index signal. it's used internally, if i have it linked, does that mess up the internal usage?
[11:56:25] <Tom_itx> hm2 takes care of it i think if you're using 3 channels
[11:56:36] <JT-Shop> I think that only is for the software encoder
[11:56:44] <JT-Shop> come to think of it
[11:58:26] <Roguish> i currently have the input-index going into my CL. i will scrap the CL now that i am sure the index is there and is recognized.
[12:00:04] <JT-Shop> this is my wiring diagrams http://gnipsel.com/files/chnc/wiring/
[12:01:33] <JT-Shop> speaking of waking up a nap would be good right now
[12:01:44] <Tom_itx> maybe after a shower
[12:01:46] <Tom_itx> just mowed
[12:01:58] <zeeshan> mowed what?
[12:01:58] <zeeshan> :D
[12:02:12] <Tom_itx> the south 40
[12:02:24] <zeeshan> so that's what you guys call it down there
[12:02:37] * zeeshan apologizes
[12:13:41] <pcw_home> input-index is not useful in general and should be ignored
[12:14:15] <pcw_home> the only index signal used in hal is index-enable
[12:15:13] <Roguish> JT-Shop: you have a line in your hal file of ... net X-index axis.0.index-enable hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.encoder.00.index-enable
[12:15:16] <Roguish> why?
[12:15:51] <pcw_home> thats the key one that makes it work
[12:16:17] <Roguish> pcw_home: that's what i just learned by trying it.
[12:16:44] <Roguish> i have not seen any reference in the docs to this at all.
[12:17:04] <os1r1s> Is 2.6.4 the latest published version without compiling from source?
[12:17:56] <pcw_home> motion (via axis.N.index-enable) sets index-enable when it wants the encoder counter to reset on index, and the encoder counter clears index enable to signals that index has been detected and the position count has been cleared
[12:20:06] <pcw_home> JT-Shop: it turns out that if you want to test index, you can just sets the index enable _signal_ , no need to unlink anything
[12:24:20] <pcw_home> os1r1s: 2.6.8 is the latest release ( and you dont need to built it or later version from source)
[12:24:55] <pcw_home> Roguish: man motion
[12:25:02] <os1r1s> pcw_home: I insalled from the live version, but its not updating to it. If 2.6.4 is there, I must have a repository config issue
[12:26:50] <skunkworks> I think you need to do a apt-get dist-upgade to get the latest 2.6.8
[12:27:16] <os1r1s> skunkworks: Got it. Thanks. I'll do that.
[12:28:01] <os1r1s> pcw_home: One more question for you. Does a 6i25 have any real advantage over a 5i25 for a desktop class mill?
[12:28:14] <Roguish> pcw_home: thanks. i'll look into the motion. Though a few words in the docs would help. possibly in the integrators manual.
[12:28:55] <skunkworks> I think it just depends on if you want to use pci or pci-e
[12:29:25] <pcw_home> Yep, the only advantage of a 6I25 over a 5I25 is that it fits in a PCIE slot
[12:35:26] <os1r1s> pcw_home: K. And do you know if there is a link in the store for the bracket that brings P2 out?
[12:38:26] <skunkworks> I think this is it. http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&filter_name=db25&product_id=235
[12:46:22] <os1r1s> skunkworks: I was hoping it would have the Chassis bracket too
[12:46:51] <pcw_home> it does
[12:46:58] <os1r1s> skunkworks: Thank you for your help
[12:51:09] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, can you get a hi-rise bracket for them or are they all short?
[12:51:15] <Tom_itx> 6i24...
[12:51:37] <Tom_itx> i had to take mine off to get in the case i have
[12:52:10] <Tom_itx> i'll make/mod one one of these days
[12:52:45] <pcw_home> the 5i25/6i25 second connector cable comes with a standard height bracket (not that its useful with a 6I24)
[12:53:22] <pcw_home> the 5I24/6I24 have both high and low profile brackets available
[12:56:08] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, i took those chips off and the current dropped dramatically
[12:56:15] <Tom_itx> ~11mA or so
[12:57:32] <pcw_home> Yeah none of those 5V chips like 24V very much
[13:05:54] * Jymmm hands pcw_home a "Magic Smoke Refill Kit"
[13:24:18] <Roguish> JT-Shop: pwc_home: Tom_itx: zeeshan: et.al. THANKS. got an axis working with index homing. now on to the other 2 axes.
[13:27:00] <JT-Shop> YEA
[13:35:31] <MrSunshine> hmm how best to clear a sand core out of narrow passage ways in a casting? =)
[13:36:17] <MrSunshine> as it seem pretty hard when it comes out .. the passages is about 6mm wide going in a circle with 3 or 4 "holders" =)
[13:45:15] <SpeedEvil> pressure washer?
[13:50:46] <toastydeath> good luck with that, some people i've spoken with use a power steering pump for shit like that
[13:53:50] <SpeedEvil> A specially made lance can also work
[13:53:58] <SpeedEvil> with a pressure washer
[14:35:28] <norias> hmmm
[14:35:33] <norias> power steering pump
[14:35:35] <norias> smart
[14:43:49] <JT-Shop> I need to fire up my anodizing line so I can bitch at myself instead of others
[14:59:37] <norias> lol
[16:01:20] <os1r1s> pcw_home: If I want to drive a few accessories from the P2 on a 5i25, would it make sense to get a 7i78 vs a 7i76? P1 would already be driving the 4 axis, spindle, etc.
[16:02:20] <pcw_home> Or just a cheap Chinese breakout if its for GPIO
[16:04:29] <os1r1s> pcw_home: K
[16:36:10] <Deejay> gn8
[16:36:25] <PetefromTn_> GN8 DEEJAY!
[16:36:46] <Deejay> :)
[16:37:14] <furrywolf> well, this is... interesting. I left the ultrasonic cleaner on when I left the house. Got back, my piston is a) very, very clean, like I expected, and b) covered in a white pattern that looks like lightning hit it. all over. skirt, crown, the conrod, everywhere. I did not expect this. wtf?
[16:37:32] <XXCoder> weird
[16:37:37] <XXCoder> resourance pattern?
[16:38:05] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[16:38:21] <XXCoder> fur, I replaced my van distuator rotor. it runs a hell of a lot better
[16:38:39] <XXCoder> but still little bit rough idle once few minutes
[16:39:12] <furrywolf> I've cleaned a lot of parts, and have never seen this happen before.
[16:39:45] <furrywolf> I'll probably reuse the piston anyway, but... wtf!
[16:39:55] <XXCoder> indeed
[16:42:08] <furrywolf> it did an excellent job cleaning it... even got the carbon-plugged holes behind the oil rings clear.
[16:42:43] <XXCoder> nice
[16:42:58] <XXCoder> what you know whats left thats causing sometimes rough idle?
[16:44:56] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Stainless-Steel-6-L-Liter-Industry-Heated-Ultrasonic-Cleaner-Heater-w-Timer-/311013126895?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4869d3b2ef you use something like that?
[16:45:41] <furrywolf> old engine. :P
[16:46:13] <furrywolf> I hope I didn't damage the piston... normally I don't worry about timing things because the sonicator doesn't seem to damage them...
[16:46:17] <XXCoder> in least it runs hell of a lot better
[16:46:25] <furrywolf> it definitely has a weird pattern and an overall matte texture now
[16:46:35] <XXCoder> feel smooth or sanded?
[16:47:00] <furrywolf> dunno, I have gloves on. lol
[16:47:46] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: not bad
[16:47:55] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/pistonwtf/pistonwtf07.jpg you can see the lightning-like pattern on the crown the easiest, but it's on all surfaces.
[16:47:57] <XXCoder> only slightly more expensive than amazon commerical ones
[16:48:22] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/pistonwtf/pistonwtf06.jpg on conrod too
[16:48:39] <XXCoder> weird
[16:48:44] <XXCoder> wonder if chemical reaction
[16:49:03] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/pistonwtf/pistonwtf05.jpg check out the nice clean grooves and little holes. :P
[16:49:19] <TekniQue> my bet is this is residue from degreasing
[16:49:39] <furrywolf> I didn't degrease it.
[16:49:56] <TekniQue> you certainly did clean it
[16:49:56] <furrywolf> I tossed it, crap and all, into my ultrasonic cleaner. the solution is mild soap sold as jewelry cleaner.
[16:50:06] <TekniQue> yeah well there you go
[16:50:18] <XXCoder> abusive residental metal?
[16:50:21] <furrywolf> I've cleaned plenty of aluminum parts before, including carbs, with never weird things like this.
[16:51:00] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/pistonwtf/pistonwtf04.jpg inside just as clean as outside... it was covered in baked-on carbonized oil before.
[16:54:26] <furrywolf> I'm just hoping it's not permanently damaged in some fashion. heh.
[16:55:27] <furrywolf> I guess the best test is to put it back together and see what happens. :P
[16:55:40] <XXCoder> hopefully surface finish is still fine too
[16:59:47] <furrywolf> another oddity is the bath was abnormally hot when I pulled the piston out.
[17:00:25] <furrywolf> I have it in my greenhouse with a pretty high ambient temperature today, and the piston was mildly uncomfortable to hold even wearing gloves, and quickly steamed off all the cleaning solution.
[17:00:53] * JT-Shop sits down to enjoy a Weihenstephaner
[17:01:16] * furrywolf has absolutely no clue what that is
[17:02:33] <PetefromTn_> http://grillingwithrich.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Weihenstephaner-Hefeweissbier.jpg
[17:02:35] <JT-Shop> I like the Original
[17:03:02] <JT-Shop> http://us.weihenstephaner.com/
[17:03:33] <furrywolf> ah. alcohol.
[17:03:53] <JT-Shop> yep it has that too
[17:05:09] * JT-Shop tries to rig up a shield so he can make the last part on the Samson in shorts and sandals
[17:13:32] <furrywolf> I should be putting the generator back together, but it's too hot to go outside.
[17:15:50] <furrywolf> it's been so long since I pulled it apart, I'll need to think to remember where all the parts go...
[17:16:05] <XXCoder> furrywolf: whats outside temp there
[17:16:19] <furrywolf> first I had to order the parts, then the order got screwed up, then I re-ordered, then they got here, then my back got crunched...
[17:16:40] <furrywolf> High Temperature: 70.5 F at 13:09
[17:16:43] <furrywolf> TOO HOT
[17:16:52] <XXCoder> 70f?
[17:17:01] <furrywolf> yes
[17:17:12] <XXCoder> its warm here
[17:17:23] <furrywolf> I live here because it's not supposed to get this hot!
[17:17:37] <XXCoder> last week it was all over 80s and periods over 90 and one point over 100
[17:17:56] <XXCoder> and work was 10 degrees inside whole time too. fun
[17:18:16] * furrywolf is a cold-weather wolfy
[17:18:17] <XXCoder> 10 degree *warmer
[17:18:25] <furrywolf> anything over 60F starts getting uncomfortable
[17:18:38] <XXCoder> yeah im cold weather type too. summer is only season I hate
[17:24:02] <ssi> hi
[17:24:40] <XXCoder> yo
[17:28:51] <JT-Shop> hola
[17:28:55] <zeeshan> hi
[17:32:31] <ssi> I think I know why my servo drive won't lock up
[17:32:44] <ssi> the hall state outputs of the 7i90 thru the 7i42 are only 2.5V high
[17:39:26] <zeeshan> supposed to be 5 v?
[17:40:12] <ssi> yeah
[17:40:15] <ssi> the leds were loading it
[17:40:23] <ssi> I'll have to screw with it some more
[17:40:24] <zeeshan> doh
[17:40:28] <ssi> going flying now
[17:40:29] <ssi> bbiab
[17:40:31] <zeeshan> cu
[17:43:48] <XXCoder> later
[17:59:54] <XXCoder> its surpising hard to find list of symtoms of bad oxygen sensor.
[18:18:01] <XXCoder> wow
[18:18:16] <XXCoder> upstream oxygen senor comes with plug
[18:18:22] <XXCoder> downstream there is none that does
[18:49:20] <furrywolf> shop harder.
[18:50:14] <XXCoder> yeah not convicted its root of cause of sometimes rough idle
[18:50:27] <XXCoder> rough part is maybe half second long each 3 minutes or so
[18:51:07] <furrywolf> sounds like not a problem.
[18:51:16] <XXCoder> it used to be worse (slightly longer rough part, full second maybe, and more rough) and loss of power at upper end of speed when warmed
[18:51:19] <furrywolf> that could just be evap purge or something stupid.
[18:51:25] <XXCoder> only rough spots remain
[18:52:05] <XXCoder> rpm used to wander a little when idling but not anymore
[18:52:26] <XXCoder> again, expept those rough idle when rpm dips a littl
[18:52:48] <robin_sz> ok .. so what am i doing wrong ...
[18:53:09] <robin_sz> my CAM software spits out circles as 4 G2 quadrants
[18:53:19] <robin_sz> I have G64 P0.05 set
[18:53:23] <furrywolf> periodic things can be normal, like, as I said, evap purge, or similar functions.
[18:53:37] * furrywolf has yet to find working cam software, so can't help with cam
[18:53:46] <robin_sz> in G64 I expected it to just flow through the 4 quadrants as one continuous motion
[18:53:56] <robin_sz> but it comes to a stop every 90 degrees
[18:54:15] <XXCoder> fur it happens only when warm, and gradually gets worse as it stays in idle
[18:54:38] <XXCoder> in least "boost" dont happen anymore, that tells me gas is burned more properly now
[18:54:42] <furrywolf> XXCoder: idling your engine for more than 30 seconds is bad for it and wastes fuel. don't do that. :P
[18:54:55] <XXCoder> sometimes no choice, what with traffic and all
[18:55:07] <robin_sz> so what is the emc interpreter command to blend motions together?
[18:59:00] <robin_sz> anyone?
[18:59:18] <XXCoder> sorry I dont know gcode, in least not fully
[18:59:45] <furrywolf> it's not a gcode question, it's a linuxcnc question... but I don't know why it's working in exact-stop mode.
[19:00:05] <XXCoder> ahh
[19:00:05] <robin_sz> its just a circle ...
[19:00:22] <robin_sz> but defined as 4 x G2 segments
[19:00:45] <robin_sz> I set G64 P0.05
[19:00:53] <furrywolf> are you in inch or mm?
[19:01:01] <robin_sz> mm
[19:01:19] <furrywolf> so about .002... not nearly low enough to cause weirdness.
[19:01:32] <robin_sz> .002?
[19:02:15] <robin_sz> shall I pastebin a sample?
[19:02:22] <furrywolf> 0.05mm is .002in... I'm used to thinking in inches.
[19:04:30] <robin_sz> I heard of them
[19:04:54] <robin_sz> something to do with being some fraction of the height of a horse or something
[19:04:54] <furrywolf> found one document suggesting you also need a Q, but it might be old
[19:04:59] <robin_sz> http://pastebin.com/haTTuWPv
[19:05:06] <furrywolf> do you have a new version of linuxcnc?
[19:05:14] <robin_sz> 2.6.8
[19:05:15] <jdh> whats a mm again?
[19:05:35] <furrywolf> mm is when you taste good food. :P
[19:07:43] <furrywolf> yeah, everything I'm reading says that should work. but, I'm not a linuxcnc nor g-code expert.
[19:08:03] <XXCoder> mm'm good
[19:08:11] <robin_sz> this is what made me use Mach2 for plasmas all those years ago
[19:09:01] <furrywolf> I've never had it do what you're describing... G64 is the default....
[19:09:40] <XXCoder> isnt there another gcode for circle
[19:09:43] <robin_sz> im running moderate feedrates, but a circle should not cuase problems
[19:10:07] <furrywolf> do you have weird backlash compensation or anything?
[19:10:07] <XXCoder> g02 and 3
[19:10:16] <robin_sz> no, nobacklash comp
[19:10:43] <furrywolf> XXCoder: whether he cuts clockwise or counterclockwise shouldn't cause this. :)
[19:11:05] <XXCoder> I know
[19:11:16] <XXCoder> just wondering. researching g64 anyway
[19:11:29] <robin_sz> it was running medium feeds, it should have been fine
[19:11:34] <XXCoder> "set path contol mode"
[19:11:37] <robin_sz> 9000mm/minute
[19:12:26] <furrywolf> your medium is three times faster than what my machine can do. lol
[19:12:49] <robin_sz> i can do 30m/minute rapids
[19:12:59] <robin_sz> 20m is max for cutting really
[19:12:59] <pcw_home> Might try 2.7, it has full lookahead
[19:13:18] <furrywolf> yay! a competent person is here. :)
[19:13:22] <robin_sz> 2.7 is hard, no interweb at machine location
[19:13:40] <XXCoder> robin_sz: has wifi?
[19:13:52] <robin_sz> well yeah, there is wifi
[19:13:52] <XXCoder> because theres this really cheap wifi dongles that has amazing range
[19:14:01] <furrywolf> I have my rapids set to 2.1m/minute max.
[19:14:04] <XXCoder> I own 4 now lol for various uses
[19:14:18] <pcw_home> install on hard drive elsewhere, move harddrive...
[19:14:39] <robin_sz> I was running a live cd
[19:14:48] <XXCoder> pcw I wonder if people still use compter tower removable hard drive holder
[19:14:51] <robin_sz> because ...
[19:15:02] <XXCoder> last I used one it was still PATA lol
[19:15:04] <pcw_home> Ext Sata
[19:15:17] <robin_sz> I only have a 5i20 at moment, waiting for 5i25 in post
[19:15:31] <robin_sz> only full height PC I have is wifes desktop
[19:15:46] <pcw_home> she wont mind
[19:15:50] <robin_sz> so it has to be a live boot until 5i25 turns up
[19:16:08] <robin_sz> then I have some neat half heigh thing
[19:16:16] <pcw_home> you can install 2.7 with out any particular I/O hardware
[19:16:44] <robin_sz> how?
[19:16:47] <robin_sz> I mean ..
[19:16:50] <robin_sz> it has to be a live boot
[19:16:59] <XXCoder> no it isnt
[19:17:04] <robin_sz> ok, so how
[19:17:15] <XXCoder> I installed linuxcnc into my laptop and it ran controller and motors fine
[19:17:30] <XXCoder> it was mostly just test to see if linuxcnc works fine, and it was.'
[19:17:35] <furrywolf> he's suggesting take the hard drive and stick it in some machine you can install 2.7 on, then move it back
[19:17:46] <robin_sz> i cant install on wifes desktop machine that I have borrowed, death woudl result
[19:17:47] <XXCoder> that is possible too yes
[19:17:51] <robin_sz> oh, k
[19:18:00] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: our customers use them
[19:18:02] <Loetmichel> plenty
[19:18:16] <XXCoder> just dont install into wrong drive, safest is to shut down and disconnect wife pc hard drive
[19:18:19] <Loetmichel> because they pack the HDD in the safe at night
[19:18:28] <XXCoder> then connect other hd
[19:18:32] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: nice
[19:18:39] <robin_sz> pack disk in safe?
[19:18:46] <robin_sz> is this 1970 again?
[19:18:51] <XXCoder> robin_sz: yeah for incicably sensive data
[19:19:01] <robin_sz> no, thats retarded
[19:19:07] <Loetmichel> <- makes eavesdropping-hardened systems for miliary and services
[19:19:17] <XXCoder> if you has physical access ita almost as good as already hacked
[19:19:29] <robin_sz> for incredibly sensitive data, you want full disk encryption
[19:19:34] <XXCoder> and no hard drive? you can steal that nice pc but infoformation is still secure
[19:19:44] <Loetmichel> exactly
[19:19:46] <XXCoder> robin_sz: people figured how to get key to that
[19:19:53] <robin_sz> no they didnt
[19:19:57] <XXCoder> they did
[19:20:01] <robin_sz> no they didnt
[19:20:02] <furrywolf> robin_sz: nothing a length of rubber hose can't fix.
[19:20:19] <XXCoder> the method is real stupid but it worked. power off and instantly spray freezing air on ram
[19:20:36] <XXCoder> remove it and keep it chilled as its installed into pc to copy memory as its decaying
[19:20:40] <XXCoder> boom key recovered
[19:20:47] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: worls only for a few miuntes up to an hour
[19:20:50] <Loetmichel> no longer
[19:21:19] * furrywolf thinks rubber hose cryptography is easier
[19:21:28] <XXCoder> furrywolf: yep that is always possible
[19:21:47] <robin_sz> locking disks in safes is fine, but doenst keep data safe from people walking in at lucnhtime
[19:21:48] <XXCoder> theres always family decryption key recovery too
[19:21:51] <Loetmichel> furrywolf: you mean: https://xkcd.com/538/
[19:21:52] <XXCoder> hold family hostage
[19:21:54] <robin_sz> or from people stealign the safe
[19:22:12] <furrywolf> I generally never mean anything to do with xkcd.
[19:22:14] <XXCoder> robin_sz: thats when excription and keeping pc lock helps
[19:22:24] <Loetmichel> robin_sz: thats usually no issi uin military installations ;-)
[19:22:38] <robin_sz> yeah right
[19:22:43] <robin_sz> points at Bradley
[19:22:45] <Loetmichel> issue in
[19:22:58] <robin_sz> see that guy?
[19:23:01] <Loetmichel> the walk in at lunch time i mean
[19:23:12] <robin_sz> yeah right
[19:23:18] <Loetmichel> there is NO way of fending off "attack from within"
[19:23:27] <robin_sz> well, there are
[19:23:34] <XXCoder> besides best background checks possible
[19:23:39] <XXCoder> even there its not perfect
[19:23:46] <robin_sz> nto having USB ports active?
[19:23:56] <Loetmichel> robin_sz: no 100% reliable way
[19:24:01] <robin_sz> no CD/DVD
[19:24:03] <XXCoder> robin_sz: my videophone pc is one of most secure setup I have ever seen
[19:24:17] <XXCoder> no way to do anything, not even boot other os
[19:24:27] <XXCoder> it wont accept 99% of hardware usb
[19:24:37] <XXCoder> and its just a videophone lol
[19:24:53] <robin_sz> I was at a certain installation a while back, the guy plugged our demo USB drive in, there were armed personnel at the door with 1 minute
[19:25:03] <XXCoder> someday when tech is obselete only way to do anytjing is remove hard drive and modify it on other pc under other os
[19:25:33] <XXCoder> robin_sz: must have some kind of hardware reporting system
[19:25:39] <robin_sz> yeo
[19:25:40] <XXCoder> so unauthorized boom army at door
[19:25:55] <XXCoder> wonder if badusb would work lol
[19:26:11] <robin_sz> we were selling electronic locking systems at the time
[19:26:13] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: our hardened system have only subd9 at the back
[19:26:14] <robin_sz> sigh ...
[19:26:24] <robin_sz> Videx Cyberkey?
[19:26:25] <Loetmichel> ... even if it is usb, nobody knows ;-)
[19:26:31] <robin_sz> you ever seen that?
[19:26:41] <XXCoder> videx thing nope
[19:26:56] <robin_sz> electronic cylinders, electronic key
[19:27:01] <Loetmichel> the only accessible usbports are behind a 20mm thick front door with a secure lock
[19:27:20] <XXCoder> 9 wire serial connection
[19:27:29] <XXCoder> interesting
[19:27:29] <robin_sz> apache tomcat app, some java apps and bingo .. a fully authenticated, realtime lock control syste,
[19:27:41] <robin_sz> I was writing backend apps for ti at the time
[19:27:50] <robin_sz> its used in a LOT of secure locations
[19:28:21] <robin_sz> like powerplants, water systems .. and places you dont get into without armed gaurds
[19:28:30] <robin_sz> but ... as I suspected for many years
[19:28:43] <robin_sz> the thing is now busted wide open
[19:28:50] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: btw: one of the hdd frames we use cost 280 eur
[19:28:55] <Loetmichel> WITHOUT the HDD ;-)
[19:28:59] <XXCoder> way expensive
[19:29:01] <robin_sz> the site encryption key is stored in plain text inside the locks ... duh!
[19:29:14] <XXCoder> oh brother
[19:29:20] <XXCoder> its like leaving key on door
[19:29:26] <robin_sz> worse
[19:29:34] <robin_sz> its like leaving the master key in every door
[19:29:39] <XXCoder> lol
[19:29:42] <XXCoder> stupid.
[19:29:46] <robin_sz> that is so fucked
[19:29:50] <Loetmichel> BMW did even better
[19:30:04] <XXCoder> ironically I once left my house key car key everything at mailbox lock :P
[19:30:18] <robin_sz> the company I wokred with installed a couple of million pounds worht in the UK
[19:30:19] <XXCoder> thankfully nothing was stolen or anything, and keys was still there when I checked next day
[19:30:23] <Loetmichel> their car ECU talked plain test over a gsm modem with the central servers
[19:30:26] <XXCoder> it was there in least 20 hours
[19:30:32] <Loetmichel> text
[19:30:46] <XXCoder> jeez
[19:30:56] <XXCoder> specialized hardware do not mean secure
[19:30:56] <robin_sz> Loetmichel, well the GSM segment shoudl be kinda secure
[19:31:05] <robin_sz> but the endpoints ...
[19:31:12] <Loetmichel> took a german magazine a few hours to unlock the doors AND start the engine remote
[19:31:17] <robin_sz> nice
[19:31:22] <robin_sz> CCC?
[19:31:27] <Loetmichel> c't
[19:31:28] <furrywolf> I used to work with a dumb-as-bricks woman who had the keys to several local banks as part of her job... THREE TIMES she left keys hanging out of a bank's front door. one time was over a weekend.
[19:31:29] <XXCoder> oh brother
[19:32:07] <XXCoder> furrywolf: now that is where rfid would be handy
[19:32:17] <robin_sz> well, with Cyberlock, that was fine, because you could have an "activator" on your belt, lose the key, without the encrypted button to touch it on , it;s worthless
[19:32:21] <XXCoder> because she shouldnt be trusted with keys if she do that with bank keys
[19:32:22] <Loetmichel> .. of ANY BMW newer han a certain year in range of the imsi catcher
[19:32:37] <robin_sz> wow
[19:32:55] * XXCoder is glad he uses no internet stuff van
[19:33:03] <XXCoder> but ehen elio.. dunno lol
[19:33:07] <XXCoder> *then
[19:33:38] <furrywolf> all my vehicles are remote-free. none of them even have power locks. :P
[19:33:41] <robin_sz> anyway, the guys I know dotn sell Videx anymore
[19:34:05] <robin_sz> thnak god ... blown wide open
[19:34:13] <XXCoder> my van is supposed to have a remote but impossible to confirm which remote works with my van
[19:34:20] <XXCoder> not that its really useful
[19:34:38] <robin_sz> my car has MUCH better protection
[19:34:57] <robin_sz> its so shit, no one wants it
[19:35:05] <XXCoder> lol
[19:35:08] <XXCoder> my van have that too
[19:35:23] <robin_sz> this is it's last month
[19:35:25] <XXCoder> shoddy painting dents on sides from apparent mass accient it was part of
[19:35:37] <robin_sz> you poser
[19:35:42] <robin_sz> you paint the dents?
[19:35:45] <XXCoder> and former junkyard van (it still has junkyard numver on it)
[19:35:51] <XXCoder> nah bought it like that
[19:36:02] <robin_sz> I had my car 8 years
[19:36:13] <XXCoder> van now around one year
[19:36:13] <robin_sz> so far, I never washed it
[19:36:18] <furrywolf> robin_sz: a friend of a friend had his beater '80s honda civic stolen last month.
[19:36:25] <XXCoder> still unwashed though I need to wash windows
[19:36:25] <robin_sz> wow
[19:36:29] <furrywolf> one he was given free because it wasn't worth selling.
[19:36:37] <robin_sz> I wish they would steal mine
[19:36:50] <XXCoder> furrywolf: yeah my toyata car got stolen and it was ugly as hell
[19:36:51] <robin_sz> getting a new mpv this week
[19:36:54] <XXCoder> perfect interior though
[19:36:57] <furrywolf> the cops found it two days later being driven by some kids, who said they got it for a hundred bucks from some mexican guy.
[19:37:02] <XXCoder> it was recovered 10 mules away
[19:37:10] <robin_sz> mules?
[19:37:14] <XXCoder> miles
[19:37:24] <robin_sz> nah, mexicans, it will have been mules
[19:37:39] <robin_sz> 1 mule = the distance a mule can go in an hour
[19:37:42] <XXCoder> ironically it gave me nice way to warm car up without leaving keys in
[19:37:55] <XXCoder> just start car, take ingition out with key
[19:37:59] <furrywolf> which is about a mile, with a margin of error of a few miles.
[19:38:00] <XXCoder> go back to home for 10 minutes
[19:38:27] <XXCoder> it was bad on warming up lol
[19:38:41] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[19:38:46] <robin_sz> oh, if anyone cares, I made first wooden thing on linux router today
[19:38:52] <furrywolf> (mules will often go zero or negative miles when told to go miles...)
[19:38:53] <XXCoder> aww
[19:38:55] <Loetmichel> had problem siwt one of the door locks once
[19:38:57] <robin_sz> quick prototype cabines
[19:39:01] <robin_sz> cabinet
[19:39:03] <robin_sz> want pics?
[19:39:04] <Loetmichel> central locking all but the one
[19:39:04] <XXCoder> come fix my cnc router robin> lol
[19:39:08] <XXCoder> sure
[19:39:21] <Loetmichel> one day i didnt look if the pin is really down...
[19:39:41] <Loetmichel> next day half of my tools went missing from the trunk :-(
[19:39:47] <XXCoder> :(
[19:40:00] <Loetmichel> not the bes area here to park an unlocked car
[19:40:31] <robin_sz> does this work?
[19:40:32] <robin_sz> https://gm1.ggpht.com/8ayajG6oj98F36p4WJz9CrNe-h7povQpowEwMzMBBLVP1VZKAic9_iHZD9nKMwkMBgWTdsuIN8tBXMrw_twYdLUKXPx7fV_Hq8ewt9cturSpnu5Sgzj3c2-6blinPtcx2Hmbp9zvfCO0XOXGEiHyqvVhnartoAVqhMGnYT_zG2NtftiCO9ygLp2sJTjsXhHxJDHHw7-eqh1ZZvmeEnHiPmA-L16iJbPUytak9JQAP5CBy7FrUd-z1j5csk1HxEZbNBU_HYs3CYEZRREtXeO4d3tl0c0w03IJa0APEHcJxMcNmpjtacxAsM9cwxOVD0R-1C58l7OX80pJDMa0fwOih3Bpx56dWkLhgXLEkffudn3LxP84LRJN2tAv1oayBqDPF4rtyadtk9Zz4U3i9H6Euqh3rUuBibDVdkU7ZVyWkMN_yZgWIt2T7
[19:40:32] <robin_sz> 8CNAZapoL9L8LN5s8j9S9evHLD2tlE6Bsg1e-1ifxEgKv3uQisgGj7-_JISvrOC0Q_1OGiLtLuPEw_gK6c2O6-YlQmy4hCNl-PyoilXHqIJM704U_Z6bY9CJewmVzu4l1KR3O6PJVU0t7BYvuN29h3KnQUFZfQosAWU4j3qWJt6ghY=w1332-h488-l75-ft
[19:40:34] <XXCoder> I hit lock on van 5 times usually because its lock system is half broken. it once locked when I went out to check tire and it wasnt supposed to. thankfully I always carry extra key
[19:40:36] <robin_sz> eek, sorry
[19:40:49] <XXCoder> nice and short url lol
[19:41:14] <robin_sz> http://tinyurl.com/nsy77o7
[19:41:18] <XXCoder> copy pasted toget still dint work
[19:41:25] <XXCoder> together didn't
[19:41:39] <XXCoder> "forbidden"
[19:43:12] <robin_sz> fucked if I understand google Drive
[19:43:54] <furrywolf> as a general rule, all google products suck.
[19:44:08] <robin_sz> https://www.dropbox.com/s/n5g9fqbmdjz2wxw/DSC_1520.jpg?dl=0
[19:44:10] <XXCoder> probably permissions issue
[19:44:18] <robin_sz> to be fair, google mail is awesome
[19:44:41] <XXCoder> is that table your router table?
[19:44:47] <robin_sz> aye
[19:44:50] <XXCoder> nice
[19:45:00] <robin_sz> basic 8x4
[19:45:06] <robin_sz> very basic
[19:45:53] <CaptHindsight> Google Drive, make your data easier to share even when you're not connected to the net
[19:45:57] <XXCoder> 4feet by 8 feet workspace?
[19:46:02] <XXCoder> dammit I always wanted that size
[19:46:27] <robin_sz> we are looking at 5x10 in the USA
[19:46:38] <robin_sz> heres the one I dumped on eBay last month
[19:46:40] <robin_sz> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jagxc865spvjpzw/DSC_1435.jpg?dl=0
[19:47:00] <XXCoder> sold?
[19:47:45] <furrywolf> damnit. I thought I had a new head gasket, but I can't find one.
[19:47:56] <robin_sz> yeah, I asked on here, no one interested
[19:48:00] <robin_sz> hers the head
[19:48:01] <robin_sz> https://www.dropbox.com/s/i2wf3kbbio10uok/DSC_1433.jpg?dl=0
[19:48:03] <XXCoder> drat
[19:48:09] <XXCoder> I wasnt in here that time I guess
[19:48:20] <XXCoder> not that I would be able to afford it, nor place it anywhere
[19:48:28] <robin_sz> 4K?
[19:48:39] <XXCoder> yeah cant afford that lol
[19:48:48] <robin_sz> see the head?
[19:49:00] <furrywolf> there's a plasmacam table on the local craigslist... I offered him a honda eu3000is as a trade, and never got an answer.
[19:49:01] <robin_sz> 8 tool ATC on a 12hp spindle
[19:49:12] <robin_sz> 9 drill head
[19:49:24] <robin_sz> 2 X axis horizontals
[19:49:25] <XXCoder> 8 tool changer on head?
[19:49:38] <robin_sz> 8 on main spindle
[19:49:45] <robin_sz> plus a sperate 9 tool drill head
[19:49:57] <XXCoder> interesting. because only large router I worked on had 8 tool changer but it was off on side so it has to travel all way there
[19:50:05] <robin_sz> with 2 X axis horizontals a y axis horizontal and a grooving blade
[19:50:20] <robin_sz> mmm
[19:50:48] <robin_sz> it had a good vac system too
[19:51:07] <robin_sz> and pop up cylindes in bed for positioning work
[19:51:21] <robin_sz> two giant vac reserve tanks underneath
[19:51:26] <XXCoder> heh so far only experence with vacuum hold isnt a good one
[19:51:36] <robin_sz> we use it all the time
[19:52:04] <robin_sz> I ran production quntities of plywood on vac hold
[19:52:09] <robin_sz> 18mm sheets
[19:52:21] <robin_sz> cutting full depth at 10m a minute
[19:52:31] <robin_sz> never an issue
[19:52:50] <robin_sz> and that was on a 3hp pump
[19:52:56] <robin_sz> I have 10hp now
[19:52:59] <robin_sz> it rocks
[19:53:34] <robin_sz> let me find a piccy
[19:53:36] * furrywolf couldn't even run a 3hp motor
[19:54:43] <XXCoder> robin_sz: yeah it was when router setup was still new
[19:54:49] <XXCoder> it rocks now apparently
[19:55:32] <robin_sz> keeping the base baord skimmed is key
[19:55:46] <robin_sz> and throw it before it is too thin
[19:55:59] <robin_sz> we start with 19mm MDF
[19:56:07] <robin_sz> and skim 1mm off top
[19:56:17] <robin_sz> when it gets down to 12mm we throw it
[19:57:36] <XXCoder> cool
[19:57:44] <XXCoder> not too sure what I will do with my cnc router
[19:58:06] <XXCoder> it has nice t slot grooves so probably can clamp wood on surifical wood to make stuff
[19:58:15] <robin_sz> hmm
[19:58:42] <robin_sz> theres a guy I know routes aluminium
[19:58:49] <robin_sz> 30mm, full sheets
[19:59:09] <robin_sz> glues a piece of 3mm MDF to back
[19:59:17] <XXCoder> my router probably will be able to do that, but not with wood router as spidle
[19:59:18] <robin_sz> vac clamps the whole sheet
[19:59:41] <XXCoder> I need to figure how to attach router to it. for a while till I get nice spidle for it.
[19:59:47] <robin_sz> when done breaks out parts, puts in bucket of thinners to melt glue
[20:01:02] <robin_sz> heres my new pump
[20:01:03] <robin_sz> https://www.dropbox.com/s/f3z3c82td00913v/DSC_1513.jpg?dl=0
[20:01:48] <robin_sz> thats the 10hp in front, a 5.5kw one to the right, will go back on eBay
[20:01:58] <XXCoder> heh
[20:02:06] <XXCoder> your spidle is bigger than my entire router
[20:02:11] <XXCoder> literally.
[20:02:36] <robin_sz> thats the vac pump
[20:02:40] <robin_sz> for the holddown
[20:02:44] <XXCoder> oh
[20:02:47] <XXCoder> still huge heh
[20:02:54] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wood-Lathe-3040-Cnc-Router-Milling-Machine-with-43mm-bracket-Mechanical-Kit-Aluminium-Alloy-Frame/32279070195.html
[20:02:57] <XXCoder> thats mine
[20:03:16] <furrywolf> I guess this generator is on hold until monday when I can try picking up a head gasket. bleh.
[20:04:03] <robin_sz> looks neat enough
[20:04:20] <robin_sz> acme screw?
[20:04:30] <XXCoder> ballscrews
[20:04:38] <robin_sz> nice, for $350?
[20:04:42] <XXCoder> yeah
[20:04:43] <robin_sz> thats good value
[20:04:53] <XXCoder> indeed
[20:05:01] <robin_sz> fitted steppers?
[20:05:09] <XXCoder> yeah I fixed motor mounts
[20:05:13] <XXCoder> so it can bolt on now
[20:05:20] <robin_sz> geared?
[20:05:22] <XXCoder> my uncle has lathe/mill combo
[20:06:18] <XXCoder> nema23 motors
[20:06:36] <robin_sz> whats the pitch on the screw?
[20:06:42] <XXCoder> unknown
[20:06:58] <robin_sz> oh
[20:07:19] <robin_sz> normally I would gear , somewhere around 5:1
[20:07:50] <robin_sz> stepper motors need to spin
[20:08:57] <XXCoder> I'm tempted to just buy spidle
[20:09:03] <XXCoder> but dunno on cooling system for it
[20:09:07] <robin_sz> yeah
[20:10:30] <robin_sz> just buy a Kress, will ber prefect
[20:10:35] <robin_sz> may even bolt right on
[20:10:58] <robin_sz> http://www.cnc-step.com/englisch/assets/images/Kress_Frasmotor_Frasspindel_900_Watt_CNC_Frasmaschine.jpg
[20:11:14] <XXCoder> thats 43mm diameter mount spot?
[20:11:21] <XXCoder> lemme check something brb
[20:11:56] <robin_sz> http://www.technocnc.com/cnc-router-accessories/spindles/kress_spindle_large.jpg
[20:14:23] <robin_sz> yes, it looks like the Kress is 43mm mount
[20:17:49] <XXCoder> holy fucking shit
[20:17:58] <XXCoder> garages so hot
[20:18:01] <XXCoder> over 100 degrees
[20:18:19] <XXCoder> but my router fits as is! well besides that thing on side
[20:18:33] <XXCoder> it blocks way so clamp cant go completely in
[20:18:44] <XXCoder> whats kress rpm range
[20:20:47] <robin_sz> no clue
[20:20:55] <robin_sz> but widely used on small CNC like yours
[20:21:07] <XXCoder> amazon dont have
[20:21:16] <XXCoder> harbour freight dont]
[20:22:59] <XXCoder> all results is cnc router trying to find way to buy it
[20:23:12] <XXCoder> no result at google buy
[20:24:34] <robin_sz> looks to be about $150
[20:24:43] <robin_sz> 10K to 29K
[20:25:21] <XXCoder> wow
[20:25:28] <XXCoder> cant find a way to buy one
[20:25:48] <XXCoder> my router do fit but problem is it has a side to screw on its accessory that blocks clamp
[20:25:57] <XXCoder> either shear it off or get another one
[20:29:16] <XXCoder> robin_sz: I guess I could go to harbour freight and bring my clamp and see what fits
[20:29:56] <robin_sz> well, its 43mm
[20:29:58] <robin_sz> isnt it?
[20:30:04] <robin_sz> take a vernier
[20:30:08] <XXCoder> it is
[23:52:56] <furrywolf> LOL. Just got domain renewal spam in the mail. I haven't gotten any of those in a while. For only $45/year I can switch registrars!
[23:56:13] <furrywolf> now if only the loud noises would stop so I can go to bed. :(
[23:59:01] <XXCoder> tpday is one of those rare days im glad im deaf
[23:59:12] <furrywolf> heh
[23:59:20] <furrywolf> new years being the other one?