#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-06-27

[00:01:35] <zeeshan|2> RyanS: i see what you mean
[00:01:47] <zeeshan|2> you're saying you can't sneak the tool near the live center
[00:02:04] <zeeshan|2> cause your carriage tool post hits the tail stock
[00:02:06] <RyanS> nope
[00:02:14] <zeeshan|2> try angling the compound
[00:02:21] <zeeshan|2> to 30 degrees
[00:02:26] <RyanS> i did
[00:02:27] <zeeshan|2> and rotate the tool post
[00:02:38] <RyanS> ditto
[00:02:41] <zeeshan|2> got a pic of your lathe?
[00:02:53] <furrywolf> or just order an appropriate extension. :)
[00:03:10] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: i hate visual basic
[00:03:12] <zeeshan|2> :(
[00:03:26] <XXCoder> yay more dead bugs
[00:03:35] <XXCoder> really need to add screen to my window lol
[00:03:52] <furrywolf> everyone hates visual basic. why the hell would you ever touch it?
[00:04:09] <zeeshan|2> cause i dont know visual c#
[00:04:09] <zeeshan|2> :(
[00:04:12] <XXCoder> visual crapic
[00:04:18] <zeeshan|2> i wrote the program mostly in visual basic
[00:04:25] <zeeshan|2> im hoping to learn visual c# tonight
[00:04:29] <zeeshan|2> and transfer the code over
[00:04:36] <XXCoder> or just go java
[00:04:44] <XXCoder> javas decent for just quick coding
[00:04:45] <zeeshan|2> no libraries for java :/
[00:04:45] <furrywolf> I don't know C#. why not C++? :P
[00:04:47] <RyanS> laugh at price of my lathe http://www.machineryhouse.com.au/L682D
[00:05:20] <zeeshan|2> RyanS: i have the same style lathe
[00:05:21] <zeeshan|2> 12x36
[00:05:26] <zeeshan|2> looks exactly the same lol
[00:05:44] <zeeshan|2> you gotta push the tool post out on the compound
[00:05:48] <zeeshan|2> and the compound at 30 degrees
[00:05:52] <XXCoder> heh I do want a lathe but from what I learned at work a bit, it's not fun
[00:05:57] <XXCoder> easy to do impact
[00:05:59] <zeeshan|2> and extend tailstock by 2.5"
[00:06:13] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: im happy i have a lathe
[00:06:20] <zeeshan|2> in 2 weeks i migh t have a 600 part order!
[00:06:28] <XXCoder> whoo nice
[00:06:34] <zeeshan|2> im prototyping this weekend
[00:06:42] <zeeshan|2> 316L stainless :/
[00:07:05] <XXCoder> ow
[00:07:08] <RyanS> I'm guessing your using CNC for 600 parts?
[00:07:13] <zeeshan|2> yessir
[00:07:14] <XXCoder> I worked with stainless steel part at work
[00:07:16] <XXCoder> it was nasty
[00:07:25] <XXCoder> tools keep breaking down
[00:07:26] <zeeshan|2> i havent had issues with machining stainless on the lathe
[00:07:33] <zeeshan|2> but i had a hell of a time on the mill
[00:07:38] <XXCoder> lathe its apparently easier yes
[00:08:05] <RyanS> stainless , isn't that difficult but tool wears quick
[00:08:24] <XXCoder> yeah. I got too used to working with alum
[00:08:26] <zeeshan|2> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/machines/lathe.html
[00:08:31] <zeeshan|2> theres my lathe machining stainless
[00:08:32] <zeeshan|2> :D
[00:08:34] <XXCoder> my old intern work I worked with only alum or plastics
[00:08:47] <zeeshan|2> sounds like butter
[00:09:11] <zeeshan|2> also ryan
[00:09:19] <XXCoder> arrgh shouldn't have fullscreened video
[00:09:21] <zeeshan|2> you can see in that video the tool will reach near tailstock no problem
[00:09:33] <XXCoder> awesome video, just can't stand handheld videos
[00:09:51] <XXCoder> my brain fucking sucks
[00:10:33] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[00:10:47] <zeeshan|2> wtfd
[00:10:52] <zeeshan|2> its not even 10 pm there furrywolf
[00:10:53] <RyanS> zeeshan|2 but thats a live center
[00:10:53] <zeeshan|2> why bed
[00:10:55] <zeeshan|2> its friday
[00:11:09] <XXCoder> her friday may not be our friday
[00:11:12] <XXCoder> my friday was yeserday
[00:11:16] <furrywolf> I usually go to bed 9:30ish regardless of day of the week?
[00:11:21] <zeeshan|2> STAY UP
[00:11:28] <furrywolf> also, I'm in so much pain that being asleep would be nice.
[00:11:28] <zeeshan|2> its party time
[00:11:29] <zeeshan|2> i just got home
[00:11:32] * furrywolf doesn't party
[00:11:33] <XXCoder> I go to bed 2-4 am everday reardless of work lol
[00:11:40] <zeeshan|2> whats hurting
[00:11:42] <furrywolf> I get up at 5:30 for work
[00:11:55] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: whats your age I forgot
[00:11:58] <furrywolf> back, neck, ribs, jaw, throat, ...
[00:12:00] <zeeshan|2> 30
[00:12:10] <XXCoder> ah still young enough and bit flexiable
[00:12:12] <zeeshan|2> the jaw and throat i can fix
[00:12:17] <zeeshan|2> ;)
[00:12:21] * zeeshan|2 hides
[00:12:27] <XXCoder> mere 10 years later you will find you need to have somewhat rigid sleep habit
[00:12:28] <furrywolf> ?
[00:12:42] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: think dirty thoughts
[00:13:30] <furrywolf> ?
[00:13:41] <zeeshan|2> go to sleep
[00:13:44] <zeeshan|2> grouchy person
[00:15:02] <RyanS> yeah mine eats aluminium for breakfast too
[00:16:57] <RyanS> hmm I'm thinking ofselling my drill press, now i have a mill
[00:17:04] <zeeshan|2> dont do it!
[00:17:09] <furrywolf> drill press is good for quick things
[00:17:10] <zeeshan|2> drill press still is great for quick things
[00:17:14] <zeeshan|2> :D
[00:17:22] <zeeshan|2> and really big things
[00:17:41] <XXCoder> yeah im sure you will always need hand drill
[00:17:42] <RyanS> like fabrication ?
[00:17:52] <XXCoder> drill press that is
[00:18:07] <XXCoder> RyanS: theres a hack that converts drill press into drum sander
[00:18:10] <XXCoder> easy to do
[00:18:11] <furrywolf> magdrill is good for really, really big things.
[00:18:23] <XXCoder> with wood platform and special drum that can be held by chuck
[00:18:35] <XXCoder> wood platform has vacuum attachment to keep dust down
[00:19:10] <XXCoder> from drill press to drum sander in literally minutes
[00:19:16] <XXCoder> then back in same
[00:19:35] <zeeshan|2> RyanS: to show i useful a drill press is
[00:19:36] <zeeshan|2> i have 2
[00:19:37] <zeeshan|2> lol
[00:19:43] <zeeshan|2> one always always always has a chamfer bit on it
[00:19:52] <XXCoder> RyanS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WAU12uk6Ns
[00:20:08] <XXCoder> I need to get a good chamfer bit set
[00:20:50] <RyanS> zeeshan|2 did you keep the feed and headstock gearbox on your cnc lathe?
[00:20:59] <zeeshan|2> nope
[00:21:16] <XXCoder> sand the drumsander bit funny lol
[00:22:04] <RyanS> I would be reluctant to do that to my lathe, just because it actually cost a fair bit
[00:22:13] <zeeshan|2> RyanS: hehe
[00:22:20] <zeeshan|2> trust me, i was reluctant too!
[00:22:32] <zeeshan|2> you can always keep it
[00:22:35] <zeeshan|2> and remove the shear pin
[00:22:49] <RyanS> Can't you just disengage it?
[00:22:58] <zeeshan|2> itll be spinning for no reason then :P
[00:23:37] <RyanS> just take endgears off?
[00:23:44] <zeeshan|2> yes
[00:23:50] <zeeshan|2> but the internal gear box is still spinning
[00:23:50] <zeeshan|2> teh shaft
[00:24:07] <zeeshan|2> its not a big deal if it is
[00:25:06] <RyanS> hmm, I was thinking more how to re-purpose the glass scales in cnc setup. closed loop?
[00:25:44] <zeeshan|2> hook em up to a scope
[00:25:55] <zeeshan|2> and move em quickly and see if you lose the signal first :P
[00:26:07] <RyanS> id rather cnc the mill tho
[00:27:08] <RyanS> eh, id probably just sell the dro
[00:30:12] <RyanS> lol this is certainly an *extension* http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MT3-to-MT2-Morse-Taper-Extension-Adapter-Drill-Sleeve-No-3-to-No-2-/281000708933?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item416cf28b45
[00:30:54] <XXCoder> its not the size but how you use it :P
[00:31:30] <zeeshan|2> RyanS: are you in the outback? :D
[00:32:09] <RyanS> melbourne
[00:32:14] <zeeshan|2> aw :P
[00:32:56] <RyanS> Here we go cheaper than the local including shipping, lol http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MORSE-TAPER-EXTENSION-SLEEVE-3MT-3MT-FOR-LATHE-ETC-FROM-CHRONOS-/331531283590?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item4d30cdec86
[02:07:50] <Deejay> moin
[02:15:05] <s1dev> anyone done any machining of silicon carbide?
[02:15:20] <XXCoder> whats that
[02:15:22] <XXCoder> glass?>
[02:15:58] <Jymmm> that would be silica, not silicone
[02:16:07] <XXCoder> ahh yeah'
[02:16:19] <s1dev> ceramic from hell
[02:16:23] <Crom> not I, I think my dad has
[02:16:53] <XXCoder> s1dev: got swcraps of those?
[02:16:54] <XXCoder> or cheap source
[02:17:16] <s1dev> it's not that expensive
[02:17:22] <s1dev> just impossible to work
[02:17:41] <XXCoder> so couldnt find a ipm/spidle rpm combo that works?
[02:17:55] <XXCoder> one of stuff I want to do evenually is fancy engrave of glass
[02:18:01] <s1dev> carbide won't cut it, I was hoping someone has tried EDM
[02:18:13] <Crom> I think he used diamond wheels and ground it
[02:18:23] <XXCoder> treat it like glass?
[02:18:40] <Jymmm> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_carbide
[02:18:52] <Jymmm> wet saw?
[02:19:48] <Jymmm> s1dev: THey say a water-jet =)
[02:19:50] <Crom> sorta, I think it was a tool post grinder and a mill
[02:23:37] <s1dev> hmm, apparently roughing with wire EDM and finish with diamond grinder
[02:25:03] <XXCoder> tough
[02:25:45] <Jymmm> Acoustic Fabrication!
[02:34:32] <Jymmm> GhettoSwapCooler... I never knew about the PVC drain trench before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A67u3NyC9w8
[02:37:01] <XXCoder> some people use video effects way too much
[02:37:40] <XXCoder> that ones not too bad once intro ends
[02:37:55] <XXCoder> but I have seen on video where theres effect each 3-4 seconds
[02:40:02] <XXCoder> *in least one
[02:44:49] <Jymmm> Hmmm, this may not be too bad http://www.homedepot.com/p/Amerimax-Home-Products-2-in-x-3-in-White-Vinyl-Downspout-M0593/100095267
[02:45:45] <Jymmm> I can cut and glue up that into a "frame", then add a cooler pad
[02:46:53] <Jymmm> It'll be GhettoTastic!!!
[02:47:15] <XXCoder> dunno one in video seems very nice
[02:47:35] <XXCoder> likely more money though
[02:47:42] <Jymmm> True, but when you get to the end of the video, you'll see how MASSIVE it really is.
[02:47:54] <XXCoder> yea
[02:48:03] <XXCoder> barely could watch the end so still frames
[02:48:05] <Jymmm> the fan is actually on the opposite wall of the greenhouse
[02:49:18] <Jymmm> I do like that heavy duty trench though
[02:50:50] <Jymmm> I figure that if I use that downspout, the top/bottom pieces I'll cut out a slot on the 2" side to insert the pad, and
[02:51:45] <Jymmm> on the side pieces, have the 3" sides facing the pads and just cut 2x3" hole to fit the top and bottom pieces
[02:52:27] <Jymmm> I can add threaded rod for structural support if needed.
[02:53:38] <Jymmm> cheap, quick, and easy pad frame, waterproof, rustproof, and UV proof.
[02:54:14] <XXCoder> yeah right materials
[02:54:38] <Jymmm> And if there is too much calcium build up, instead of cleaning, just replace it.
[02:55:49] <XXCoder> isnt there couple chemicals usually used for fountains that stop calcium, algae and umm something else
[02:56:37] <Jymmm> You can use CLR or muratic acid to clean/loosen/remove calcium/lime build up, not that's about it
[02:56:51] <Jymmm> or white vinegar
[02:57:06] <XXCoder> ok
[02:57:08] <Jymmm> but you dont want to be smelling all that
[08:31:37] <_methods> lkjljk
[08:42:38] <CaptHindsight> _methods: is that Icelandic for "mornin"?
[08:42:49] <_methods> hah
[08:42:53] <_methods> that was an ooops
[08:57:38] <Jymmm> oooops is Icelandic for 'mornin' ?
[08:58:06] * Jymmm wonders what 'uh oh' and 'oh shit' are then.
[09:06:21] <MrHindsight> uh ó ó skít :)
[09:06:25] <redlegion> My company needs to buy me more bays for my stylus change rack. This is driving me nuts.
[09:37:53] <_methods> at least you have a stylus change rack
[09:38:07] <furrywolf> "20% Off Any Single Item In-Store Additional Savings Include Discounts on Air Compressors, Tool Carts and more. " "Cannot be used ... on any of the following: compressors, generators, tool storage or carts"
[10:38:27] <malcom2073> Lol, furrywolf: Harbor freight?
[10:39:35] <furrywolf> yes
[10:40:00] <furrywolf> or, rather, retailmenot's attempt at posting harbor freight coupons.
[10:43:41] <furrywolf> http://images.harborfreight.com/hftweb/home-page2015/images062315/960x64-expers-agree-footer.png LOL
[10:50:00] <redlegion> _methods: how the hell could you get anything done without one?
[10:50:18] <zeeshan|2> lol furrywolf
[10:50:19] <zeeshan|2> hahaha
[10:51:20] <redlegion> furrywolf: Their ten dollar calipers beat the hell out of brown & sharpe any day.
[10:51:36] * redlegion feels dirty from the sarcasm
[10:52:58] <zeeshan|2> redlegion: lol
[10:53:06] <zeeshan|2> i use em for scribing!
[10:54:04] <redlegion> At least they have a use, I just tell my coworkers they aren't even allowed to put a "reference only" sticker on them.
[10:54:38] <zeeshan|2> they're actually suprisingly accurate
[10:54:58] <zeeshan|2> i havent noticed much difference between them and mitutoyo
[10:55:02] <redlegion> Depends on the lot, not all lots are created equal.
[10:55:05] <zeeshan|2> tried measuring gage blocks
[10:55:15] <redlegion> I've had to calibrate tons of harbor freight crap.
[10:55:38] <redlegion> They're about fifty fifty in whether or not they get thrown away
[10:55:43] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[10:55:47] <zeeshan|2> i get this brand:
[10:56:08] <zeeshan|2> http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/tools-hardware/measuring-tools/specialty-measuring/mastercraft-digital-caliper-0586800p.html#.VY7CXvlVhBc
[10:56:12] <zeeshan|2> it goes on sale for $15
[10:56:52] <redlegion> They look like rebranded centronic
[10:57:19] <zeeshan|2> even though i know they can measure as well as the mitutoyos
[10:57:28] <zeeshan|2> i use the mitutoyo when i really wanna be within a couple thou
[10:59:58] <redlegion> http://imgur.com/wx9wi6H
[11:00:08] <redlegion> That's pretty much all I need for what I do.
[11:00:48] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[11:05:39] <redlegion> How long have you been a machinist?
[11:06:48] <zeeshan|2> im not a machinist
[11:06:52] <zeeshan|2> i do it as a side business
[11:07:18] <redlegion> Ah.
[11:07:31] <zeeshan|2> im like batman
[11:07:38] <zeeshan|2> engineering in the morning
[11:07:45] <redlegion> I'm not a machinist, either. I did have a short stint as a button masher.
[11:07:52] <zeeshan|2> machinining/fabricatio/welding at night
[11:08:00] <redlegion> Nice.
[11:08:04] <zeeshan|2> then stripper overnight
[11:08:07] <zeeshan|2> (the last one is a joke)
[11:08:15] <redlegion> <.<
[11:08:29] <malcom2073> So you're a joke stripper?
[11:08:43] <zeeshan|2> unofrutnately most "machinists" are button mashers
[11:08:46] <redlegion> Like Chris Farley?
[11:08:48] <zeeshan|2> and quality control
[11:08:58] <zeeshan|2> in a production environment
[11:09:20] <zeeshan|2> deburr, cycle start, tool insert change after x parts, measure parts
[11:09:22] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Are you thinking machinest, or cnc operator?
[11:09:44] <zeeshan|2> cnc operator i guess :P
[11:09:51] <zeeshan|2> sometimes the jobs are advertised as "general machinist"
[11:10:04] <redlegion> That's terrible and ought to be forbidden.
[11:10:07] <malcom2073> Yeah you gotta watch for that heh
[11:10:25] <zeeshan|2> you can usually tell by the pay
[11:10:34] <zeeshan|2> $18-22 /hr for this type of job
[11:10:44] <zeeshan|2> a real machinist is around $30/hr
[11:10:52] <zeeshan|2> tool and die around $40/hr
[11:11:13] <redlegion> We have "engineers" that haven't obtained any degree and have never simulated stress or wear on any design or concept.
[11:11:20] <zeeshan|2> lol
[11:11:26] <redlegion> True story.
[11:11:31] <zeeshan|2> i test people that call themself an engineer
[11:11:36] <zeeshan|2> by 1 simple excerise
[11:11:48] <zeeshan|2> i give them a stress state and ask for the principal stresses
[11:11:52] <zeeshan|2> =D
[11:11:58] <redlegion> Nice.
[11:12:00] <malcom2073> I'm a software engineer :-P
[11:12:07] <zeeshan|2> (mech eng)
[11:12:11] <malcom2073> I know heh
[11:12:17] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: have you programmed in visual c#
[11:12:19] <zeeshan|2> and basic?
[11:12:45] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: I could be a dick and say "No such thing as visual c#", but yeah I've done most of the .net languages
[11:12:47] <malcom2073> :-P
[11:12:53] <zeeshan|2> okay c#
[11:12:54] <zeeshan|2> and c++
[11:12:56] <zeeshan|2> er
[11:12:57] <malcom2073> I try to avoid them unless the project calls for it
[11:12:59] <malcom2073> I mainly do c++
[11:12:59] <zeeshan|2> basic i mean
[11:13:09] <zeeshan|2> but c++ doesnt have automatic memory management
[11:13:28] <malcom2073> Neither does c#. It does have automated garbage collection though
[11:14:01] <zeeshan|2> im trying to decide which one to learn
[11:14:05] <malcom2073> For what?
[11:14:07] <zeeshan|2> or i should say F it
[11:14:10] <zeeshan|2> and stick to linux
[11:14:15] <zeeshan|2> and shit im familiar with
[11:14:23] <zeeshan|2> i wrote a small visual basic interface
[11:14:23] <malcom2073> c# works in linux to some degree
[11:14:35] <zeeshan|2> for my apparatus
[11:14:40] <malcom2073> What to learn, depends entirely on what you want to do.
[11:14:45] <redlegion> We hire "machinists" that know nothing about GD&T and can't trig a bolt pattern. :(
[11:14:47] <zeeshan|2> basically im controlling some gpio, reading some analog in
[11:14:50] <zeeshan|2> ouputting some analog out
[11:14:56] <zeeshan|2> redlegion: haha
[11:15:06] <malcom2073> Just to get started though, c# isn't terrible, and a lot of the syntax is the same with c/c++ so you can transition
[11:15:26] <malcom2073> .net is really got for simple GUI applications
[11:15:32] <malcom2073> for windows only
[11:15:33] <zeeshan|2> seems like c# doesnt have any typedefs
[11:16:48] <malcom2073> Yeah that's true
[11:17:04] <malcom2073> typedefs are *way* overused though
[11:17:12] <zeeshan|2> man i wish i could get the damn drivers working in linux
[11:17:23] <zeeshan|2> something has changed when they were written and modern linux
[11:17:39] <zeeshan|2> they were written for 2.6.x
[11:17:40] <malcom2073> Probably kernel versions heh
[11:17:49] <alex4nder> zeeshan|2: which drivers?
[11:17:49] <zeeshan|2> we're at like 3.xx
[11:17:57] <zeeshan|2> well they're not exactly drivers
[11:18:00] <malcom2073> yeah
[11:18:02] <malcom2073> What are they?
[11:18:02] <zeeshan|2> they try to interface with libhid
[11:18:15] <alex4nder> oh haha
[11:18:16] <zeeshan|2> they expect something to exist at /proc/bus/usb/
[11:18:22] <malcom2073> ahh
[11:18:23] <zeeshan|2> but that ppath doesnt exist anymore
[11:18:31] <zeeshan|2> its moved to /sys/bus/debug/usb now
[11:18:33] <malcom2073> Is there an equivalant that you can recompile them to use?
[11:18:41] <alex4nder> zeeshan|2: libhid has been dead as a doornail for a long time
[11:18:44] <zeeshan|2> well they compiled fine
[11:18:51] <zeeshan|2> but when i try to run the sample test program
[11:18:53] <zeeshan|2> it doesn't find the device
[11:18:59] <zeeshan|2> cause it's trying to look for crap using libhid
[11:19:30] <alex4nder> what application is it?
[11:19:59] <zeeshan|2> http://www.mccdaq.com/usb-data-acquisition/USB-1408FS.aspx
[11:20:00] <zeeshan|2> this guy
[11:20:17] <zeeshan|2> zeeshan|2: http://i.imgur.com/bITJ4Fv.jpg
[11:20:19] <zeeshan|2> whoops
[11:20:21] <zeeshan|2> in that application
[11:20:59] <alex4nder> where is the code you're using that is linking against libhid
[11:21:09] <zeeshan|2> ftp://lx10.tx.ncsu.edu/pub/Linux/drivers/USB/
[11:21:13] <zeeshan|2> its in the tarball called
[11:21:49] <zeeshan|2> ftp://lx10.tx.ncsu.edu/pub/Linux/drivers/USB/MCCLIBHID.1.63.tgz
[11:22:03] <zeeshan|2> i found something else on their website im gonna give a try
[11:22:06] <zeeshan|2> http://www.mccdaq.com/solutions/DAQFlex-Solutions.aspx
[11:23:01] <alex4nder> 1.63 looks like it uses libusb?
[11:23:29] <zeeshan|2> is libusb
[11:23:34] <zeeshan|2> the modern usb management system?
[11:23:58] <alex4nder> libusb is just a library
[11:24:07] <alex4nder> but it's a supported library, that should be current and work with new kernels
[11:24:15] <zeeshan|2> ah
[11:24:28] <zeeshan|2> i honestly forgot what i installed
[11:24:31] <zeeshan|2> ill go back to the lab today :P
[11:24:39] <zeeshan|2> im determined to get it running in linux
[11:24:40] <zeeshan|2> linux ftw
[11:24:42] <alex4nder> oh, there's some libhid usage in here
[11:24:46] <alex4nder> but whatever
[11:26:08] <alex4nder> zeeshan|2: oh yah, he rewrote shit to use libusb, and just released it in june
[11:26:20] <alex4nder> ftp://lx10.tx.ncsu.edu/pub/Linux/drivers/USB/README.mcc-libusb
[11:26:25] <alex4nder> that should work with anything at this point
[11:26:34] <zeeshan|2> hmm
[11:26:44] <zeeshan|2> i'll try that
[11:26:50] <zeeshan|2> i was following this:
[11:26:57] <zeeshan|2> http://www.mccdaq.com/TechTips/TechTip-9.aspx
[11:27:13] <zeeshan|2> just scroll down to "Install the Linux and MCC Drivers for Raspberry Pi"
[11:27:40] <zeeshan|2> wish they put a date on this article :P
[11:34:31] <furrywolf> I've had decent luck with their calipers
[11:35:03] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: i thought you had WORK!
[11:35:11] <zeeshan|2> cause you had to SLEEP early!
[11:35:48] <furrywolf> I have work 5 days a week.
[11:35:54] <zeeshan|2> thats it?
[11:35:56] <zeeshan|2> :P
[11:35:56] <furrywolf> and 9:30 is not early!
[11:36:49] <furrywolf> also, I can't work right now anyway...
[11:42:07] <redlegion> I'm at work <.<
[11:42:14] <redlegion> Working hard, too.
[11:52:10] <robinsz> so, router pause function ... really need to get this working now
[13:30:09] <redlegion> Is it really that difficult to understand that true position is sqrt(xdev^2+ydev^2)*2?
[13:31:23] <redlegion> These people are killing me. They can measure the location axis deviations but throw these parts at me and expect me to sign off on shit that doesn't conform to print spec.
[13:31:46] <redlegion> They make charts for Christ sakes.
[13:32:14] <redlegion> Bleh.
[13:46:20] <zeeshan> can someone try to ssh into my comp
[13:46:29] <zeeshan> to see if im behind a firewall
[13:46:44] <zeeshan> port 22
[13:47:39] <malcom2073> There are websites to do that for you, but it doesnt seem to be responding
[13:47:43] <zeeshan> fak
[13:48:07] <Deejay> connection refused
[13:48:18] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Forward the port on your router?
[13:48:30] <zeeshan> i dont have access to the router
[13:48:38] <zeeshan> its behind a massive school network
[13:48:44] <malcom2073> Ah then yeah you'd be blocked
[13:50:04] <zeeshan> wonder how to get around it
[13:50:22] <malcom2073> VPN
[13:51:27] <redlegion> ^
[13:51:46] <zeeshan> i do habe the cisco vpn client thing i use
[13:51:58] <zeeshan> to vpn into the school network
[13:52:04] <zeeshan> i guess i needthat installed to do it.
[13:52:58] <redlegion> zeeshan: yours is a popular conundrum.
[13:53:06] <redlegion> https://www.howtoforge.com/reverse-ssh-tunneling
[14:00:03] * JT-Shop just did an emergency resupply mission to the tadpole ranch
[14:04:02] <Deejay> what kind of supplies?
[14:08:18] <JT-Shop> H2O
[14:08:29] <JT-Shop> they were getting a little parched
[14:08:56] <JT-Shop> tadpole live in a tire rut on my trail next to the creek
[14:09:02] <JT-Shop> tadpoles
[14:11:03] <zeeshan-lab> TEST
[14:11:13] <SpeedEvil> ICLE
[14:11:14] <jdh> FAIL!
[14:11:23] <zeeshan-lab> weird, hexchat disconnects by itself
[14:11:27] <zeeshan-lab> kvirc seems ok
[14:11:44] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[14:13:45] <JT-Shop> zeeshan-lab, on your phone?
[14:13:52] <zeeshan-lab> no
[14:13:56] <zeeshan-lab> school network
[14:24:16] <redlegion> JT-Shop: I was convinced you were just making a joke about masturbating, not actually saving tadpoles.
[14:32:12] <JT-Shop> heh get your mind out of the gutter lol
[14:32:27] * JT-Shop likes anything that eats bugs and helps when he can
[14:35:14] <Deejay> :)
[14:42:09] <zeeshan-lab> when you vpn into something
[14:42:19] <zeeshan-lab> do you get the network you're vpning into's ip address?
[14:42:36] <malcom2073> Depends on how the VPN is set up, typically though yes
[14:42:38] <zeeshan-lab> cause i notice i can ssh from another computer on the school network to it
[14:42:51] <zeeshan-lab> it being my destination computer that im trying to ssh into
[14:43:07] <zeeshan-lab> but when i try to do it from the home computer, no bueno
[14:43:23] <zeeshan-lab> so i installed the vpn application they specify
[14:43:33] <zeeshan-lab> and i connect successfully, but no ssh ability after still
[14:43:54] <malcom2073> Possible that their VPN software sticks you on a different network from student PC's
[14:44:05] <zeeshan-lab> son of a ;p
[14:44:16] <malcom2073> Easy to find out, check your IP, and do a traceroute and see where it's dyign
[14:44:36] <zeeshan-lab> tracert from the home comp ?
[14:44:43] <malcom2073> yeah
[14:54:54] <zeeshan-lab> ROFL
[14:55:02] <zeeshan-lab> my gf tried to post the tracert
[14:55:05] <zeeshan-lab> owned
[14:58:20] <zeeshan-lab> malcom2073: you still there? :P
[14:58:30] <zeeshan-lab> http://pastebin.com/Bq5CxYzQ
[14:58:30] <malcom2073> zeeshan-lab: yesh
[14:58:33] <zeeshan-lab> thats the ipconfig stuff
[14:58:36] <zeeshan-lab> you can see the ip address there
[14:58:42] <zeeshan-lab>
[14:58:55] <zeeshan-lab> when i do ifconfig on the destination, it tells me this:
[14:59:04] <zeeshan-lab>
[14:59:14] <zeeshan-lab> but when i go on the internet and "what is my ip"
[14:59:44] <zeeshan-lab> i see this:
[15:00:12] <zeeshan-lab> not sure whats going on there :P
[15:01:16] <malcom2073> So it seems the VPN isn't on the same network as your destination PC
[15:01:16] <_methods> is probably your tunnel ip address
[15:02:15] <zeeshan-lab> heres the other interesting thing, the other computer that is on the local network with ip addy can access the destination comp no problem
[15:02:19] <zeeshan-lab> even though its on a different subnet
[15:03:13] <malcom2073> Makes sense, they're probably class B
[15:04:22] <zeeshan-lab> can't i install a ssh server on my home comp
[15:04:35] <malcom2073> Sure, if you forward the port on your home comp
[15:04:54] <zeeshan-lab> im a bit confused on how to set that up
[15:04:57] <malcom2073> Then use reverse tunneling to get yourself into the school PC
[15:05:00] <zeeshan-lab> so i first install ssh-server on my home comp
[15:05:09] <_methods> can you ssh into any box on the school network?
[15:05:15] <zeeshan-lab> _methods yes i can
[15:05:28] <zeeshan-lab> after i install the server, i do :
[15:05:32] <_methods> just not the one you want?
[15:05:46] <zeeshan-lab> ssh -R 12345:localhost:22 homecompipaddress
[15:06:05] <zeeshan-lab> methods_ ive actually only tried sshing to other computers on the local network
[15:06:08] <zeeshan-lab> havent tried to ssh out of it
[15:06:23] <zeeshan-lab> hook me up with one of your ip's and ill try :P
[15:06:41] <_methods> so you're trying to ssh to your home network from your schools vpn?
[15:06:59] <zeeshan-lab> other way around
[15:07:09] <_methods> k
[15:07:16] <_methods> just making sure i'm following you
[15:07:55] <_methods> so why are you typing ssh -R 12345:localhost:22 homecompipaddress
[15:08:08] <zeeshan-lab> to forward the port to my home comp?
[15:08:09] <_methods> so why are you typing ssh -R 12345:localhost:22 schoolip
[15:09:44] <_methods> i'm not sure i'm following what you're trying to achieve with that ssh command them if you're at your house
[15:09:58] <zeeshan-lab> i dont know what im doing lol
[15:10:06] <zeeshan-lab> im just gonna stay on campus
[15:10:09] <_methods> your trying to forward your localhost port 12345 to your computer at your house
[15:10:25] <zeeshan-lab> im trying to ssh into my house comp from school
[15:10:31] <zeeshan-lab> and then reverse ssh back into school comp
[15:11:10] <_methods> so you ARE trying to ssh to your home network from the school
[15:11:28] <zeeshan-lab> lol
[15:11:36] <zeeshan-lab> yes in order to achieve the reverse eventually
[15:11:49] <_methods> if you don't have a vpn server at your house, how is that going to work
[15:12:05] <_methods> ok nm
[15:12:21] <_methods> that might be your issue
[15:13:09] <_methods> can you ssh into your home computer normally from outside your network
[15:13:18] <_methods> home computer/home network?
[15:13:53] <_methods> do you have any firewalls on that computer or your network blocking 22
[15:15:09] <zeeshan-lab> i dont know yet
[15:15:20] <zeeshan-lab> i have to setup ssh first at the home comp
[15:16:27] <_methods> so your app or whatever is working on port 12345
[15:18:26] <_methods> ssh -R 12345:localhost:22 zeeshan@homecompipaddress
[15:18:39] <_methods> you probably want to specify a user too like that
[15:20:14] <zeeshan-lab> ah
[15:20:17] <zeeshan-lab> ill try it later today
[15:21:27] <_methods> but if you have vpn access into your school why are you doing it like this?
[15:21:48] <Jymmm> If you are opening up sshd to home, remap it to a high random port.
[15:22:43] <_methods> just connect to the vpn and access it directly
[15:22:43] <zeeshan-lab> _methods apparently cause im vpning into a slightly different network
[15:22:45] <zeeshan-lab> doesnt make sense :P
[15:24:37] <_methods> ah it does you'd probably have to do some special routing to get to another separate internal network unless the IT guys were nice enough to push a route for you
[15:24:59] <_methods> you're probably connecting to the schools "normal" vpn
[15:25:06] <_methods> not the network your lab is a part of
[15:32:20] <SolarNRG> Any welders in here?
[15:32:41] <SolarNRG> I bought a block of zinc ammonium chloride flux, it's meant to get all the weld off my scrap easily what do I do with it?
[15:34:17] <SolarNRG> I got tonnes of stuff I want the rust off, dude in the shop said it would be cheaper than using angle grinder blades was he shitting me or will this shit work?
[15:34:36] <_methods> i have no idea never even heard of that
[15:35:07] <malcom2073> Isn't that the stuff inside fluxcore welding rods?
[15:35:17] <Swapper_> anyone have a deasent spindle orient configuration i could use as an guide?
[15:35:26] <_methods> zeeshan|2: id read this
[15:35:28] <_methods> http://blog.trackets.com/2014/05/17/ssh-tunnel-local-and-remote-port-forwarding-explained-with-examples.html
[15:35:39] <_methods> you need to add some stuff to sshd config
[15:38:53] <zeeshan-lab> yay
[15:38:57] <zeeshan-lab> finally got linux working with this daq
[15:38:59] <zeeshan-lab> what a pain! :P
[16:00:54] <SolarNRG> malcom2073, I think it's actually on the surface of the welding rods
[16:12:33] <norias> why do you need the rust off?
[16:13:29] <norias> wait
[16:13:30] <norias> weld
[16:13:33] <norias> nvm
[16:15:39] <ssi> pcw_home: around? I have some questions about the 7i90
[16:21:22] <SolarNRG> norias, yeah exactly scrap is cheaper than new i got to cut this shit b4 welding it, i'm spending hundreds of bucks on grinder blades to get the iron oxide off, it's a pain in the ass, it's time consuming I want a cheaper and quicker way the dude said zinc ammonium chloride would do the trick
[16:21:37] <ssi> anyone know if it's possible to flash a 7i90 which is connected via RS422 to a 7i77 which is connected to a 5i25? :P
[16:21:58] <norias> SolarNRG: can't... convert it?
[16:22:03] <norias> not a welder
[16:22:23] <norias> but i toss rusty stuff in a bucket of...
[16:22:27] <norias> phosophoric acid
[16:22:30] <norias> and water
[16:22:44] <norias> converts the rust to iron phosphate
[16:22:53] <norias> which is, it seems, a decent coating
[16:23:15] <SolarNRG> i got hydrochloric acid any use?
[16:23:30] <SolarNRG> whered u get phosphoric acid from?
[16:23:46] <norias> home depot
[16:26:15] <norias> look for rust remover
[16:26:19] <norias> or naval jelly
[16:26:30] <norias> there's at least one out there that's just phosophoric acid
[16:26:59] <malcom2073> evaporust is really good
[16:27:13] <pcw_home> ssi no, only interface that allows updating the FPGA code is EPP
[16:29:28] <pcw_home> well actually the hostmot2-ser interface should allow it but its untested and even if mesaflash
[16:29:30] <pcw_home> knows how to do this (And I don't know that it does) its probably only via a normal host serial port
[16:31:55] <ssi> gotcha... I think I can probably set up something to do EPP
[16:32:18] <pcw_home> if the sserial-remote config could do this, it would be nice, but I would have to add the support code
[16:32:20] <pcw_home> to emulate the method the DSPIC based remotes use to advertise and implement their flash programming
[16:32:24] <ssi> we talked a couple weeks ago about the possibility of doing commutation conversion in the 7i90
[16:32:33] <ssi> I'm trying to figure out the best way to get started on that
[16:32:51] <Deejay> gn8
[16:33:23] <pcw_home> in some ways it might be nice to do it on a sserial remote config
[16:37:28] <ssi> the commutation conversion? or flashing
[16:38:27] <pcw_home> commutation (or you could just do it stand-alone)
[16:39:07] <ssi> I don't really know what you mean by a sserial remote config
[16:39:13] <ssi> this is what I'm trying to figure out:
[16:39:36] <ssi> each servo provides the regular quadrature encoder as well as the 4 bit greycode tracks
[16:39:50] <ssi> I need to count the encoders for normal linuxcnc motion
[16:40:02] <ssi> but I also want to use the encoder data for commutation
[16:40:32] <pcw_home> Maybe thats better done with a standalone config
[16:40:35] <ssi> will I be able to somehow write a firmware for the 7i90 that gets the encoder angle as a hm2 parameter, and wire it in via hal?
[16:41:05] <ssi> or should I have the 7i90 take the encoder signals in themselves and then repeat them out to wire to the 7i77?
[16:41:23] <pcw_home> standalone is probably easier
[16:41:38] <ssi> standalone meaning it doesn't interface with HM2 at all?
[16:41:43] <pcw_home> Yeah
[16:42:06] <ssi> so I'd need to wire the encoder to both places
[16:42:34] <pcw_home> is this to convert Fanuc to something your drives understand?
[16:42:40] <ssi> to hall state
[16:42:59] <ssi> my OTHER option is to try to use 8i20s and the software bldc component
[16:43:02] <ssi> I bought one 8i20 to try
[16:43:36] <pcw_home> The software BLDC is pretty decent if you run a 4KHz or so servo thread
[16:44:12] <pcw_home> (just dont try on an Atom or other slow CPU)
[16:44:23] <ssi> D525 is what I'm using right now :/
[16:44:48] <pcw_home> good to 1.5 KHZ and that about it
[16:45:30] <ssi> I suppose I'll focus on the 7i90 option for right now then
[16:45:37] <pcw_home> the old Ebay Core Duos are _much_ better
[16:45:43] <ssi> I have a DC7800
[16:45:59] <pcw_home> yeah its say 3x as fast as a d525
[16:46:25] <ssi> ok so if I did a standalone converter with the 7i90
[16:46:52] <ssi> can I wire an encoder to both the 7i90 AND to the 7i77's encoder counters, or is that too much signal loading?
[16:48:05] <pcw_home> its ok though its single ended only
[16:48:14] <ssi> the 7i90 is SE only?
[16:48:28] <ssi> I thought it had LVDS
[16:48:49] <pcw_home> LVDS is no the same as RS-422
[16:48:58] <ssi> no I know
[16:49:05] <ssi> I thought there were differential IOs broken out on the 7i90
[16:49:37] <pcw_home> LVDS is possible bu RS-422 needs an interface
[16:50:25] <ssi> haha ok I'm lost
[16:53:53] <pcw_home> Hmm wish we had a 7I90 like card with Ethernet host interface and RS-422 I/O for this kind of translation task
[16:54:55] <pcw_home> I have a plan for it with the 7I94 but when I can get to it is another matter
[16:56:15] <ssi> oh here's what I was thinking of
[16:56:19] <ssi> from the webpage: "All I/O pins support 3.3V LVDS signaling."
[16:56:30] <ssi> I guess that doesn't necessarily mean that there are differential IOBs available
[16:57:39] <pcw_home> it does, all pin pairs are LVDS capable
[16:58:13] <ssi> ok, so can I use them to count differential encoders?
[16:58:31] <pcw_home> not really
[16:59:28] <pcw_home> if you biased them about 1/2 way up and divided the input signal by about 5, maybe
[16:59:34] <ssi> is that because differential encoders are 5V and not LVDS's 3v3?
[17:00:06] <ssi> oh so differential encoders are actually using RS422 as the signaling standard?
[17:00:14] <ssi> sorry I'm a bit slow :P
[17:00:33] <pcw_home> because the chief benefit of differential is only gained if they still work with their -7 to +12 common mode range
[17:01:11] <ssi> so if I wire them single ended, the low line of each RS422 pair will be connected to a ground pin on the 7i90
[17:01:17] <ssi> and the high line will just be 5V ttl, is that right?
[17:02:15] <pcw_home> no, that may damage your encoder
[17:02:29] <ssi> back to my original thought
[17:02:46] <ssi> is it possible to let the 7i77 count the encoders and somehow get that data over to the 7i90 via hm2?
[17:02:50] <pcw_home> for single ended, you just use one signal of the pair
[17:02:52] <ssi> I guess thats the 'sserial remote' option?
[17:03:12] <pcw_home> (and leave the other one open)
[17:05:00] <pcw_home> its possible
[17:05:06] <ssi> a lot more work I guess
[17:05:36] <ssi> ok heres' my next stupid idea
[17:05:37] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIibEXFUwAAye5z.jpg:large
[17:05:48] <dolence> hi!
[17:05:51] <ssi> how about having the encoder drive teh differential input of the 7i77, and then just stealing the high line to count in the 7i90
[17:06:46] <pcw_home> maybe if the swing is high enough (or use a 7I34 or other RS-422 receiver for the 7I90)
[17:07:18] <ssi> how high is "high enough"?
[17:07:22] <ssi> I can wire something up and put a scope on it
[17:07:37] <ssi> I'd hate to get sidetracked for another month ordering more parts :(
[17:08:01] <dolence> please, anyone had success setting up touchscreen in wheezy? I'm on the latest linuxcnc 2.6x release and couldn't figure how to invert y axis since it doesn't appear to have a xorg.conf file under /etc/X11
[17:08:46] <dolence> usb touchscreen worked out of the box
[17:11:01] <pcw_home> for LSTTL 3.3 probably lower than .8V for low and higher than 2V for high will work
[17:11:40] <ssi> ok let me get an encoder hooked up and see how it behaves
[17:12:52] <dolence> please, none using usb touch on latest release?
[17:27:17] <ssi> pcw_home: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIif_mHUYAAw2px.jpg:large
[17:27:19] <ssi> 3.4Vpp?
[17:27:38] <ssi> ch1 is A+, ch2 is A-
[17:27:44] <ssi> it's only wired to the 7i77, not yet to the 7i90
[17:30:37] <pcw_home> maybe... high is fine low may be noisy
[17:38:01] <ssi> the noise spikes in A+ I dunno where they're coming from, but the highest spikes are under about 1.4V on the lows
[17:38:47] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIiir_JUwAAxAci.jpg:large
[17:41:56] <ssi> pcw_home: have a suggestion on which source I can start with for making a standalone firmware for the 7i90?
[17:46:10] <furrywolf> got my subaru aligned today... they didn't make the steering wheel point straight. I have to do that myself.
[17:46:14] <furrywolf> blah
[17:46:36] <ssi> I opened up the seveni90.xise project and there's.... a lot... goingo
[17:46:53] <ssi> going on
[17:47:45] <pcw_home> Not something I have done... for a full standalone config there's not much you can use except the ucf file :-(
[17:49:56] <pcw_home> I suppose if I did a standalone config that could use the hm2 I/O modules I would put in a little 32 bit CPU (B32)
[17:49:57] <pcw_home> and do all the piping in a little software loop
[17:52:28] <pcw_home> the hm2-ser config is like this (though it only has a 16 bit CPU)
[17:53:49] <pcw_home> so if you wanted to write your converter in assy language you could use the GPIO and encoder and whatever other hm2 modules were useful
[17:54:50] <pcw_home> you can read hm2-ser source code (assy lang) and see if it makes any sense
[18:05:03] <ssi> hm ok
[18:05:30] <ssi> otherwise I can just write a dirt simple bitfile that flashes one of the user leds just to confirm, right?
[18:05:45] <ssi> I had a converter started for my little cpld board, I can start with that code
[18:06:42] <ssi> trying to get to where I can flash this thing first of all
[18:06:54] <ssi> mesaflash wouldn't see it, but I just went into bios and the parport was in spp mode... changing to epp and I'll try again
[18:09:59] <ssi> yup that worked, flashed the ssremote firmware on there
[18:10:03] <ssi> now I can start trying to write something for it
[18:12:04] <pcw_home> just make sure you leave one EEPROM with EPP code in it
[18:12:44] <pcw_home> or you will be back to JTAG
[18:14:36] <ssi> oh hm so if I write a program that doesn't have the epp and flash it on the first eeprom, I'll lose my bootloader, yea?
[18:14:50] <pcw_home> yes
[18:15:02] <ssi> which means I won't be able to mesaflash a second time, correct?
[18:15:12] <ssi> unless I jumper for the other eeprom
[18:15:38] <ssi> I need to figure out what the procedure is to boot from the second eeprom but flash to the first
[18:16:12] <pcw_home> power cycle on second, move jumper write first
[18:16:17] <ssi> ok
[18:16:34] <ssi> that's easy enough :D
[18:16:48] <pcw_home> also easy enough to forget :-(
[18:18:37] <pcw_home> if you are messing with CPLDs you must have a JTAG cable
[18:18:45] <ssi> I did!
[18:18:47] <ssi> don't anymore :(
[18:18:51] <ssi> I need to order another one
[18:18:56] <pcw_home> :-(
[18:19:09] <ssi> I'm just now getting my EE lab set back up
[18:19:16] <ssi> half my crap is sooty and smells terrible
[18:19:25] <pcw_home> yuck
[18:19:37] <ssi> I'm getting black fingerprints all over my shiny new rigol scope
[18:20:00] <pcw_home> is the the $399 one?
[18:20:05] <ssi> yeah
[18:20:10] <ssi> it's SO WORTH $399
[18:20:21] <pcw_home> seems like a bargain
[18:20:27] <ssi> yeah very much so
[18:20:46] <ssi> especially considering you can unlock 100MHz bandwidth and the advanced triggers and serial decoding, and double the sample depth via a software key
[18:20:57] <pcw_home> maybe I should get one for home
[18:20:58] <CaptHindsight> nahh new tools were never cool, it's like 1st day if school with new crayons :)
[18:21:27] <ssi> it's a four channel scope and comes with four decent 150MHz probes
[18:26:19] <ssi> just hit pin 50 on the fpga with the scope
[18:26:27] <ssi> the hardware freq counter on the scope says it's 50.0001MHZ :D
[18:27:39] <CaptHindsight> http://phys.org/news/2015-06-robot-hadrian-bricks-house-days.html
[19:36:27] <zeeshan|2> hi
[19:40:10] <PetefromTn_> hi
[19:55:29] <robinsz> so ...
[19:58:13] <ssi> pcw_home: SE signal from A+ into the 7i90 seems to be clean enough to use
[20:06:18] <robinsz> I wish I understood this page: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Jog-While-Paused
[20:06:28] <robinsz> it sounds like what I need
[21:13:05] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, if you were to use jtag would you load a regular bitfile into the eeprom like mesaflash does?
[21:13:13] <zeeshan> fucking windows
[21:13:16] <zeeshan> FIREWALL POS
[21:13:25] <Tom_itx> if so what address would it be located at? or is that automatic?
[21:40:54] <furrywolf> grrrr. I just pulled the clutch cable from my subaru, went to put in the new one, and it doesn't quite fit.
[21:43:25] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Thats ony if you need to use the clutch pedal.... speed shift =)
[21:43:47] <Tom_itx> tears up the synchros
[21:44:04] <Jymmm> not if you do it right
[21:44:30] <Jymmm> you must become one with the car
[21:45:33] <furrywolf> I ordered one for my '83 subaru. it fit perfectly. I ordered one for my '84 subaru. they gave me the same cable. guess what? the '84 is different!
[21:46:07] <Jymmm> lovely
[21:47:20] <Jymmm> especially when you have have the shit torn apart waiting for the part, then half to put it all back together agian
[21:48:07] <furrywolf> the '83 uses a clamp around the cable to secure it. the '84 uses a spring clip to secure it.
[21:48:50] <Jymmm> lookup both at some random store, see if they return the same sku
[21:49:22] <Jymmm> maybe it's just a fastner kit difference
[21:49:28] <furrywolf> I looked them up on their website just now, they list the right cable later, and not in stock.
[21:49:42] <Jymmm> fuuuuck
[21:49:47] <furrywolf> no, it's not. the end of the cable is substantially different due to the different mounting method.
[21:49:53] <Jymmm> ah
[21:50:01] <Jymmm> local store?
[21:51:11] <Jymmm> Whats a GREAt spray on coating for a swamp cooler ?
[21:51:13] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clutch-Cable-ATP-Y-605-fits-84-87-Subaru-Brat-/221785409675?fits=Year%3A1984|Make%3ASubaru&hash=item33a370c88b&vxp=mtr
[21:51:15] <furrywolf> their website shows stock status for all the local stores.
[21:51:26] <Jymmm> ah
[21:51:37] <furrywolf> they can order it, but it means I need to put the car back together with the old one and wait.
[21:51:49] <Jymmm> Autozone oreilys napa
[21:52:08] <furrywolf> as a general rule, no one stocks any part of any kind for a '84 subaru. :P
[21:52:41] <furrywolf> even the fucking fan belts, normal v-belts, are special order!
[21:52:41] <Jymmm> I miss kragen, they would ALWAYS stock carbs for everything =)
[21:53:04] <Jymmm> just hope someone else didn't need one that week too =)
[21:53:42] <furrywolf> getting the cable out with my back dead was really painful... I really do not want to put it all back together and do it all again later.
[21:54:15] <Jymmm> leave it and drive somethign else? I thought you had like 20 vehicles or something
[21:55:10] <furrywolf> I have 4. the '83 subaru is totalled. the '84 subaru is the one I'm working on. the van is working, but is huge. the truck needs significant work before it can go on the road.
[21:56:08] <furrywolf> I need to invent some apparatus for greasing clutch cable.
[21:56:09] <furrywolf> cables
[21:56:31] <Jymmm> I was trying to figure out what the tape was for, thought it was to mask off for painting/coating, then I saw the plastic... "Needs some repair"... the bottom must be rusted out be is too weasle like to actually say it... http://images.craigslist.org/00G0G_fCUs5NxmB21_600x450.jpg
[21:57:12] <Jymmm> Semi-easy repair, but at least have the balls to say there is no bottom.
[21:57:24] <furrywolf> autozone doesn't seem to have the right cable at all
[21:58:05] <furrywolf> they show two of the four different cable styles, with a big green checkbox and "fits your vehicle", even though the two they show are mututally incompatible and can't possibly both fit the same vehicle.
[21:58:08] <Jymmm> furrywolf: maybe try an independant AP store? might just cost more but they might have it in stock
[21:58:19] <furrywolf> I hate idiots who do crap like that.
[21:58:19] <furrywolf> there are none left.
[21:58:42] <furrywolf> our last one went out of business about a year and a half ago.
[21:58:49] <Jymmm> ah
[21:59:28] <furrywolf> autozone's website doesn't seem to provide a way to check the stock status of local stores. that's... defective.
[21:59:43] <furrywolf> in any case, they opened the local autozone about three months ago, and they are very, very unlikely to have it in stock.
[21:59:59] <furrywolf> maybe 6mo ago
[22:00:56] <furrywolf> the only thing wrong with the old cable is it's very, very stiff... but I don't know how to grease it! I'd need to machine some type of fancy thing that clamped around the cable right where the housing ended.
[22:01:45] <Jymmm> no way to shoot silicone spray into it?
[22:01:53] <furrywolf> 1) silicone spray sucks. 2) no.
[22:02:03] <Jymmm> fine teflon spray then
[22:02:34] <furrywolf> GREASE.
[22:02:40] <furrywolf> or oil.
[22:02:40] <Jymmm> cut a hole in the side, install zirc fitting, and hit it with grease gun
[22:03:38] <furrywolf> it takes more than randomly aiming a spray to get it down a cable.
[22:04:13] <Jymmm> is the old cable out of the car completely?
[22:04:17] <Tom_itx> what about cycle chain lube? doesn't it thicken once it's where it's gonna be?
[22:04:26] <Tom_itx> spray that down the tube
[22:04:37] <furrywolf> you can't get it down the tube!
[22:04:56] <Jymmm> furrywolf: it's not air tight, there AHS to be some gab
[22:05:02] <Jymmm> HAS*
[22:05:15] <furrywolf> yes, there's a few thousandths gap. you're not going to just spray something down it.
[22:05:33] <furrywolf> I'd need to fabricate some kind of sealed fitting that can be clamped onto the cable from the side.
[22:05:40] <Jymmm> duct tape a grease gun to the end and squeeze till it comes out the other end
[22:05:41] <zeeshan-lab> man why cant i get this reverse ssh tunnel to work!!
[22:06:02] <furrywolf> the end of the cable has large fittings on it. you can not just "duct tape a grease gun to it".
[22:06:12] <Jymmm> the hell you can't
[22:06:28] <Jymmm> use tennis ball sized if you have to
[22:07:54] <furrywolf> the only way I can think of would be to machine a pair of aluminum blocks that clamped around the cable. I could make them with hand tools, but drilling two holes in from the ends, one hole from the side, then cutting it in half...
[22:08:00] <furrywolf> s/but/by
[22:08:06] <furrywolf> plus four bolt holes
[22:08:41] <Jymmm> the duct tape is a one-off... if you use enough, the grease only has one place to go
[22:09:09] <Jymmm> else soak the entire cable in oil in a bucket
[22:09:20] <Tecan> where is a good place to find single women in the city on the weekend ?
[22:09:44] <Tecan> bars usually suck
[22:10:12] <furrywolf> Tecan: a singles' club? inpatient rehab center? elementary school?
[22:10:22] <Tecan> oh man
[22:10:29] <Jymmm> in sweat pants watching netflix
[22:10:31] <furrywolf> oh, you said the weekend. :P
[22:11:22] <furrywolf> if you find any mature, intelligent, sane, pratical women who like wolfies and are good with a strapon, send one of them here. :P
[22:11:33] <Jymmm> furrywolf: is it just old grease in the cable now?
[22:11:52] <furrywolf> dunno.
[22:11:57] <furrywolf> it's so stiff I can barely slide it by hand...
[22:12:29] <Jymmm> soak in charcoal lighter fluid, breaks up lithium grease really easy
[22:13:13] <Jymmm> maybe twist the cable to break it up some
[22:15:09] <furrywolf> I might be able to make something out of self-fusing tape...
[22:20:21] <XXCoder> world is on fire
[22:20:25] <XXCoder> whats up all
[22:21:46] <XXCoder> Jymmm: yeah rustcity bottom
[22:21:57] <XXCoder> unless it has been protecting it the whole time
[22:28:57] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I can take some aluminum angle and bolt it in, then use use aluminum flashing and a coating medium to seal it up. just chickenshit of that person selling it not to say it's actually rusted.
[22:29:17] <XXCoder> ask whats broken?
[22:29:23] <XXCoder> it may be fine but has dead motor
[22:29:52] <Jymmm> swamp coolers always "Needs some repair", it's either the float valve, pump, motor, or pads, not a biggy
[22:30:09] <Jymmm> But motor AND rusted bottom, yeah, no thanks
[22:31:29] <Jymmm> Well, I don't know, maybe, but just be honest in your ads fuckers
[22:31:45] <XXCoder> yeah maybe its not rusted bottom
[22:31:48] <XXCoder> but dunno
[22:32:00] <XXCoder> but I agree with honestity
[22:32:00] <Jymmm> More like NO bottom
[22:32:23] * furrywolf has never seen a swamp cooler
[22:32:39] <XXCoder> how do swamp cooler work anyway
[22:32:44] <Jymmm> furrywolf: whats the humidty there?
[22:32:48] <furrywolf> 90% :P
[22:32:56] <XXCoder> 200% here
[22:32:57] <XXCoder> jk
[22:32:59] <furrywolf> hence swamp coolers do fuck all...
[22:33:01] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Yeah and you'll NEVER want to then either
[22:33:59] <Jymmm> XXCoder: water flows down pads, the 5000CFM squirrelcage fan pulls hot outside air thrut he water soaked pads, cooling the air tmep by30F or more
[22:34:35] <XXCoder> assuming low humidity?
[22:34:38] <furrywolf> https://dbffkv15yp72v.cloudfront.net/production/reports/year/000/029/570/53f19511/relative_humidity_percent_pct.png
[22:34:45] <Jymmm> XXCoder: correct
[22:34:52] <XXCoder> wont work around here then
[22:34:59] <XXCoder> and expecially at work lol
[22:35:10] <XXCoder> cnc mill is like 100% humid oven lol
[22:35:19] <XXCoder> myikoto something
[22:35:21] <furrywolf> " it is most humid around August 1, exceeding 97% (very humid) three days out of four. "
[22:35:36] <Jymmm> XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ooAAcsbf_0
[22:35:37] <furrywolf> so... yeah. swamp coolers = worthless. :P
[22:35:56] <XXCoder> unless
[22:36:05] <XXCoder> you decrease humidity so much that it works
[22:36:18] <XXCoder> 5 dehumidifiers paired with one swamp cooler lol
[22:36:29] <furrywolf> you know that's stupid, right? :P
[22:36:42] <Jymmm> XXCoder: That would be called an Air Conditionaer =)
[22:36:57] <XXCoder> it would work but ricious, probably cheaper just run an ac
[22:36:58] <furrywolf> dehumidifiers work by cooling the air so the water condenses, then warming it back up
[22:37:12] <PetefromTn_> Hey folks
[22:37:21] <furrywolf> if you skip the warm back up step, you have an air conditioner. :P
[22:37:30] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:38:11] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ImmaKORSII
[22:38:14] <PetefromTn_> Been working on the CNC lathe a bit today.
[22:38:19] <XXCoder> 57 degree drop lol
[22:38:35] <PetefromTn_> Still removing lots of gunk and junk from it seems like it will never end LOL
[22:38:45] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: it breeds
[22:38:54] <XXCoder> just try to remove faster than it breeds lol
[22:39:02] <PetefromTn_> knocked a bunch of light surface rust off the bare metal surfaces I stripped recently to refinish
[22:39:17] <XXCoder> didnt spray protective stuff on?
[22:39:22] <PetefromTn_> started taping off the ways and headstock etc for paint
[22:39:29] <XXCoder> at work we use sprays for various metal to keep it protected
[22:39:55] <PetefromTn_> I am planning to tape off the entire lathe body and respray with a lightish gray
[22:40:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah I figured I would be sanding and whatnot on it before I sprayed so I didn't bother
[22:42:55] <XXCoder> found plans for diy air cooler reading
[22:42:58] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: makes sense
[22:43:36] <PetefromTn_> I taped off the headstock adapter mount and most of the ways. I am getting excited about this machine again now that I have started ordering all of the electronics I needed for it.
[22:43:51] <PetefromTn_> Cannot wait to see it move and make me some parts!!
[22:44:01] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: my uncle is milling mounts for motors so it can fit my machine woot :D
[22:44:04] <PetefromTn_> Gonna be a bit of a learning curve while I get acquainted with a CNC lathe
[22:44:05] <XXCoder> picking it up tomorrow
[22:44:12] <PetefromTn_> nice
[22:44:14] <XXCoder> I will finally build it soon
[22:44:33] <PetefromTn_> I have also been working dilligently on ordering stuff for the anodization station,
[22:44:57] <PetefromTn_> Today I went back to the other local Walmart to get another Cooler as the first walmart was out of stock of that 48 quart one.
[22:45:15] <XXCoder> ugh that store
[22:45:16] <PetefromTn_> While I was there I picked up a little hot plate and a big stainless steel pot for the sealing bath
[22:45:23] <XXCoder> cool
[22:45:47] <PetefromTn_> Going to be ordering some remote digital thermometers online along with the power supply maybe tonight
[22:46:33] <PetefromTn_> Once I get the CNC lathe and the Anodization Station going I should be able to make some really cool stuff for my customers.
[22:46:42] <XXCoder> :)
[22:46:48] <XXCoder> I look forward to it too
[22:46:59] <XXCoder> I want to make some fun deaf artwork as well as other stuff
[22:47:21] <PetefromTn_> I actually was contacted twice this week from new customers that wanted some stuff that I have been unable to do since I sold my manual lathe
[22:47:33] <XXCoder> Jymmm: http://www.instructables.com/id/Mini-Solar-Air-Conditioner/
[22:47:35] <XXCoder> lol
[22:47:53] <PetefromTn_> I had to put them off which sucks but I think they are going to wait on me from their comments.
[22:48:20] <Jymmm> XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHbQYajfGqM
[22:48:34] <redlegion> zeeshan-lab, you check your sshd_config to make sure settings that may be related to a reverse tunnel are enabled?
[22:48:42] <XXCoder> Jymmm: easier to make
[22:49:02] <XXCoder> I got a bigass house circuting fan in my room
[22:49:17] <XXCoder> designed for house, only use is in one room. air really moves
[22:49:26] <Jymmm> XXCoder: This is actually not a bad idea. Just freeze water bottles and swap them out once melted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V93Gh3Q2Ro
[22:49:41] <furrywolf> ... deaf artwork?
[22:49:47] <PetefromTn_> someone's AC out?
[22:49:48] <XXCoder> furrywolf: yeah
[22:49:55] <XXCoder> like ILY and stuff
[22:50:03] <furrywolf> ILY?
[22:50:14] <XXCoder> yeah "I love you" hand sign
[22:50:19] <furrywolf> Jymmm: you know your home freezer just moves the heat (and then some) into the room, right?
[22:51:17] <XXCoder> yeah it exchanges heat out
[22:51:23] <XXCoder> adds little bit more heat
[22:52:45] <furrywolf> people who think they can cool their house by leaving the fridge door open need to be sent back to physics 101. :)
[22:53:24] <pcw_home> Tom_itx: typically, no I use jtag to load an image in the FPGA and thne use mesaflash to write the EEPROM
[22:53:26] <pcw_home> (much faster that way, you will get old waiting to program the flash with JTAG)
[22:53:32] <furrywolf> I think I got the cable oiled, with liberal use of self-fusing tape to seal one of those red straws to it
[22:53:51] <redlegion> I'll just cut a seven foot hole through the wall and put the ass of my freezer outside
[22:54:06] <redlegion> Let those capillary tubes expel that heat
[22:54:08] <XXCoder> reroute the heat exchanger in back outside
[22:54:10] <furrywolf> redlegion: or buy a window a/c. :P
[22:54:27] <redlegion> Too poor, elbow grease is free
[22:54:31] <redlegion> xD
[22:54:39] <XXCoder> it benefits year around, heat outside during hot weather, cold = more effecient in winter
[22:54:48] <XXCoder> just make sure to shade the exchanger lolk
[22:54:50] <furrywolf> I wrapped the cable in tape, wrapped the straw in tape, then wrapped both very, very tightly so they squished together into one blob of tape
[22:54:53] <PetefromTn_> Just had to put a brand new heat and Air unit in my house. It was an expensive pain in the ass but damn it sure is nice...
[22:55:16] <XXCoder> im so tempted to cover roof with white thick sheet
[22:55:20] <XXCoder> refect heat out
[22:55:22] <furrywolf> I have a window a/c that doesn't do nearly enough...
[22:55:43] <furrywolf> but, it does some, which is better than done.
[22:55:44] <furrywolf> none
[22:56:00] <PetefromTn_> I have two window AC units up in the attic as well as one of those floor mount window port AC units. That last one worked great actually.
[22:56:01] <XXCoder> the sad thing is that my fan is slowly adding heat to my room
[22:56:48] <XXCoder> im considering that setup of copper tube to my big fan
[22:56:51] <PetefromTn_> I need to figure out a way to make a semi permanent hole in the shop wall and install one of those so I can be real comfy out there in the shop.
[22:56:51] <XXCoder> nice and cooler
[22:56:57] <XXCoder> maybe even use that special ice
[22:57:05] <XXCoder> colume ice? dammit gonna google a sec
[22:57:31] <XXCoder> knew I got name completely wrong
[22:57:35] <XXCoder> pykrete
[22:59:22] <XXCoder> with bigass AC and stuff to run it, you can make unbreakable boat that heals itself when damaged
[23:02:21] <Jymmm> It just started to sprinkle..
[23:02:28] <Jymmm> fuck me
[23:02:32] <Jymmm> it
[23:02:40] <XXCoder> ?
[23:02:43] <Jymmm> it's hotter than hell still
[23:03:08] <Jymmm> XXCoder: as in rain
[23:03:20] <XXCoder> ahh yeah I call it dry rain
[23:03:25] <XXCoder> it rains but nothing gets wet
[23:03:47] <Jymmm> Oh stuff was getting wet, had to tarp it
[23:03:54] <XXCoder> its my favorite weather to bicycle in
[23:04:22] <Jymmm> Screw it, I'm going to enjoy some otter pops!
[23:04:37] <XXCoder> yeah thats good, ate 8 today
[23:04:55] <XXCoder> grabbing some more
[23:10:11] <XXCoder> only thing I hate about otter pops is how taste seperates from ice
[23:17:00] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Now, THIS is a pretty good DIY swamp cooler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A67u3NyC9w8
[23:17:27] <XXCoder> yeah you linked that before
[23:17:39] <Jymmm> ah
[23:17:41] <XXCoder> pretty cool allright
[23:21:12] <XXCoder> http://newenergydirection.com/blog/2008/10/cost-to-make-ice-for-homemade-air-conditioner/
[23:21:15] <XXCoder> interesting read
[23:26:26] <Jymmm> I'm sorry, a 5A AC is about 5000 BTU and can cool a 10x10ft room. an ice maker or home freezer is 2x2ft and insulated, not a relative comparison imo
[23:26:56] <Jymmm> And NOBODy runs an AC for just 5 hours.
[23:27:19] <Jymmm> a freezer runs 24/7 so it's temp iss stable
[23:28:13] <XXCoder> more ice inside freezer the more effecient it is
[23:28:23] <XXCoder> stability across door openings
[23:28:53] <XXCoder> http://newenergydirection.com/blog/2008/10/cost-to-make-ice-for-homemade-air-conditioner/
[23:28:59] <XXCoder> copy fail
[23:29:05] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/H_Vnxapd5fs
[23:29:15] <XXCoder> stirling engine truck
[23:29:47] <XXCoder> honestly stirling would be better as generator - its VERY effecient on running at same rpm for long while
[23:30:07] <Jymmm> And if an AC could run for 5 hours for 45¢ (9¢/hour), that would be $2.16 every 24 hours, or $65/mo and then nobody would be making DIY cooling devices.
[23:31:38] <Jymmm> Cost er KWH jumps significantly after a certain threshold
[23:31:42] <Jymmm> per*
[23:36:29] <XXCoder> interesting
[23:37:15] <Jymmm> I know nothign of sterling engines
[23:37:30] <XXCoder> stirling
[23:38:01] <XXCoder> I still want a smallish one I can either run off heat or force run it for supercooling
[23:40:45] <XXCoder> http://www.coroflot.com/emilyfisher/Stirling-Engine nice one
[23:49:09] <XXCoder> Jymmm: one of things I want is stirling based AC so no freon
[23:50:27] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbBZgwh3t-E
[23:53:37] <zeeshan-lab> XXCoder: do you have ssh ?
[23:53:43] <furrywolf> oiled clutch cable is better. not perfect, but better.
[23:53:54] <furrywolf> I'd imagine everyone in here has ssh.
[23:54:13] <XXCoder> yeah but not using. why?
[23:54:47] <zeeshan-lab> i asked furry :)
[23:55:14] <XXCoder> zeeshan-lab: then ding fur not me lol