#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-06-17

[00:00:29] <furrywolf> I don't think cyanoacrylate works under gasoline.
[00:00:37] <furrywolf> jb-weld is only temporary in gasoline...
[00:01:27] <Jymmm> Not sure, I guess if I was really concerned I could ask the GM - nice guy.
[00:02:29] <Jymmm> It does not like temps above 550F that I know for sure =)
[00:09:18] <furrywolf> I've tried using jbweld for gasoline. it claims it's good for gasoline on the packaging. it isn't. I sent jbweld a rather nasty email about this once. their excuse is "modern gasoline contains compounds other than gasoline, and our product is not compatible with those."
[00:10:01] <furrywolf> the type of bullshit only a corporation could think up... let's use a definition of gasoline different than "what comes out of a gas pump" and claim we're compatible with it.
[00:10:34] <Jymmm> ah
[00:19:15] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[02:36:37] <Skyraven> hi guys, did anyone work with ISILON from EMC and knows how the SMB share option: Use custom NTFS ACL works? (it only has 2 possibilities, yes and no...but really no way to define this custom NTFS ACL ? or where is it? ..manual did not help so far, neither did the security guide)
[05:02:20] <mhaberler> du -sh .
[09:42:35] <shaun413> hello
[09:43:50] <JT-Shop> hi
[09:44:37] <shaun413> anyone here use an Xcarve?
[09:53:32] <Rab> This? https://www.inventables.com/technologies/x-carve
[09:57:05] <shaun413> yes
[10:00:19] <Rab> I haven't, but I'm not super impressed with some of the things I see in the promo photos. Namely extruded aluminum v-rail, and plain threaded rod for the Z axis.
[10:00:45] <syyl> its hard to get impressed by it
[10:00:49] <shaun413> I see
[10:01:02] <shaun413> Is there anything else in that price range that would be better?
[10:01:36] <syyl> depends on the application
[10:02:14] <shaun413> id like to be able to cut wood, acryllic, Carbon fiber, and aluminum
[10:02:34] <CaptHindsight> aluminum foil no problem
[10:02:49] <syyl> except for alumununum it should do what you want
[10:03:00] <syyl> there is a whole lot of folks out there that use that thing
[10:03:00] <shaun413> not even thin alum?
[10:03:12] <CaptHindsight> if it's just a hobby tool then it's fine, it 's a good way to learn from experience
[10:03:38] <Roguish> shaun413: should work for that, but like syyl said, it depends on application. aluminum may work, but very, very slowly and carefully, or not.
[10:03:38] <syyl> look some videos from the drunken woodworker or jimmydiresta
[10:03:50] <syyl> they have actually applications that those things fit
[10:04:21] <shaun413> i see
[10:04:32] <shaun413> you think i could make my money back with it?
[10:04:42] <shaun413> selling custom things?
[10:05:03] <CaptHindsight> shaun413: if you have the time patience and skill you could build something better, but if you just want to unbox something and start cutting balsa go for it
[10:06:18] <shaun413> No definately can make something on my own. i just dont have the ability to machine parts
[10:06:24] <Rab> shaun413, the worst-case scenario would be for you to find a lucrative market for your saleable product. And then discover your hobby machine isn't production ready, the hard way, and have to spend a bunch of money putting something more robust together in a hurry.
[10:06:34] <CaptHindsight> if you can make "things" with >400% margins then you probably will
[10:06:52] <shaun413> ?
[10:08:08] <Rab> IOW I think that sort of machine is sufficiently cheesy that manufacturing enough doodads to earn its cost back will wear out the machine.
[10:08:13] <CaptHindsight> if you can turn $20 of wood and paint into $150 then you should be able to pay for the machine pretty quickly
[10:08:54] <CaptHindsight> same is true for widgets
[10:09:46] <shaun413> Rab, kind of agree
[10:09:53] <CaptHindsight> fully loaded for $1.279
[10:10:01] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: protip: there are no $150 bills, be careful.
[10:10:05] <shaun413> Is it possible to build my own without machining parts?
[10:11:05] <ssi> sure
[10:11:11] <CaptHindsight> 800mm x 800mm and look at those corners
[10:11:19] <ssi> btw I've used the shapeoko, which is what the xcarve was in the previous generation
[10:11:30] <ssi> I built my last laser table around a shapeoko for motion
[10:11:33] <ssi> and it was fine for that
[10:11:44] <ssi> but it's not super rigid, so cutting aluminum is going to be tedious
[10:12:16] <shaun413> is there a place i can find the parts easily?
[10:12:32] <shaun413> the question here is, can i DIY and do it around that price or less?
[10:13:16] <Rab> shaun413, certainly, if you have free time to spend.
[10:13:24] <shaun413> i have tons of free time
[10:13:27] <ssi> if that's the machine you want, you're better off buying the kit
[10:13:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/0113H15-PDA-CNC-4-HEAD-ROUTER-PROFILER-24496-/370770474504 gone now, but was up for 2 years
[10:13:47] <shaun413> id prefer something more rigid
[10:14:02] <CaptHindsight> $1,150.00
[10:14:28] <ssi> dang
[10:15:08] <CaptHindsight> shaun413: look for something similar
[10:15:23] <CaptHindsight> they are out there
[10:15:38] <ssi> or buy one of the chinese desktop routers
[10:15:39] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-AXIS-CNC-ROUTER-6040-DRILLING-MILLING-PROFESSIONAL-ENGRAVER-MACHINE-DESKTOP-/221354177332?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3389bcb334
[10:15:42] <ssi> or similar
[10:21:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Heian-NC431P-1200-4-Head-CNC-Router-/231595414852 lookie dis
[10:21:40] <CaptHindsight> $3,900 4 Head CNC Router
[10:22:07] <pcw_home> Thats quite a machine for that price
[10:24:11] <pcw_home> Route 4 things at once with preset spacing between heads?
[10:24:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-plasma-milling-saw-router-/151270555697 only 2 axis
[10:26:01] <pcw_home> and motor cables cut with a hatchet
[10:26:09] <CaptHindsight> heh
[10:26:21] <CaptHindsight> was in a hurry
[10:27:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271659536669 $999 robot arm for fancy doodad makin
[10:28:33] <CaptHindsight> shaun413: if you have the time and skill there's lots of surplus equipment out there
[10:29:24] <CaptHindsight> but if you just want something out of the box and thats you're budget then you have already found something
[10:29:27] <pcw_home> is that an accumulator on the base for arm counterbalance
[10:29:34] <pcw_home> ?
[10:32:49] <pcw_home> needs to be bolted to rather hefty flooring
[10:34:03] <lair82> Good Morning Gents, Have a question, a little more straight forward than all the other crazy oddities I have had in the past few days, Can I manually set a value to the "hm2_7i80.0.pwmgen.03.value" pin, reason I ask is, I have noticed on the mill that I am programming, that sometimes when I try to do a gearshift, it doesn't make the shift, so it sits there, not doing anything, because the gears are stuck face to face, not meshed toge
[10:35:45] <lair82> The gearshift is done automatically, using Classicladder, based off of the commanded rpm of the spindle, High or Low, and if I could just give the spindle motor a little "bump" it finish the shift, and go about it's business.
[10:37:05] <cpresser> lair82: is that pin already connected somewhere? (classicladder=
[10:37:10] <pcw_home> yes you can "setp" the pin _if_ its not linked to another pin already
[10:37:11] <pcw_home> if you want to give a bump to an existing signal then you need to use some component
[10:37:18] <cpresser> lair82: you cant have two drivers on a single pin
[10:37:49] <pcw_home> but you can use some component to add signals for example
[10:37:55] <cpresser> why dont you 'fix' the classicladder component?
[10:38:19] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: might be http://www.gdrobot.com/Upload/Bg/gd_robotics_1362012163033758.jpg
[10:38:33] <CaptHindsight> http://robolution.eu/medias/web_robotok/898-kuka-kr-150-l130-2-robot-manipulator.jpg
[10:38:37] <pcw_home> Yeah maybe classic ladder can generate the "bump"
[10:39:11] <CaptHindsight> http://img.directindustry.fr/images_di/photo-g/robot-articule-6-axes-generique-17587-5276397.jpg
[10:40:28] <Rab> I have a weird hope that Alfons and Martha will crash into each other.
[10:40:39] <pcw_home> a bargain at $999 if you have a use (and dont hurt yourself or someone else with it)
[10:41:10] <lair82> I ahve it laid out on paper how I want to do it, I need to be able to say, apply 0.1 VDC to the pwmgen input on the drive, so as to make the spindle spin, veeeery slowly, for determined amount of time, using a one-shot timer.
[10:41:38] <lair82> Only .5 seconds or so, not very long at all.
[10:42:11] <Jymmm> timer relay?
[10:42:38] <pcw_home> classic ladder should be able to do that
[10:42:55] <Jymmm> ah
[10:44:12] <lair82> It will, and is going to, I just don't know how to manually output a specified voltage on the "hm2_7i80.0.pwmgen.03.value" pin, from ladder.
[10:45:04] <pcw_home> well i guess that depends on whether classic ladder has float output pins that you can control
[10:45:41] <pcw_home> If not you could use some boolean outputs and the mux comp
[10:45:58] <lair82> It would be a float value, using something like a "or" component,
[10:46:12] <lair82> It does have Float Out pins,
[10:46:55] <pcw_home> so if you can get the flot outpu pins to do what you want, you just net them to the PWM pin
[10:47:24] <lair82> Ok, I will see how much trouble I can go get into.
[10:47:36] <pcw_home> is the PWM pin driven by PID or something else normally?
[10:48:42] <Jymmm> Just call me old fashion, but I LOVE this timer relay... http://www.ebay.com/itm/NCC-TMM-0999M-461-Multi-Function-Solid-State-Time-Delay-Relay-120VAC-/271664747336
[10:48:55] <pcw_home> if so then you probably need a mux component to switch between sources
[10:50:53] <lair82> It is driven by the motion.spindle-speed-out pin, which is a routed thru the gearchange component, then to pwmgen value pin
[10:53:08] <lair82> Ok, I just read over the "MUX2" component, looks straightforward, gonna hammer it out now.
[10:53:16] <lair82> Thanks
[10:54:17] <lair82> Jymmm, it is old fashion, but its also very reliable!! I have a few of those in use around the shop.
[10:54:33] <Jymmm> lair82: That specific model?
[10:54:55] <lair82> No, but other makes/models
[10:55:28] <Jymmm> lair82: Ah, yeah. THAT one is realy awesome as you can change the functionality of it as you see fit.
[11:06:35] <blockh34d> hello
[11:07:18] <blockh34d> i've been tasked to develop a way to operate 8 steppers at once for a custom 3d printer with 3 seperate carriages, each with its own extruder on it.
[11:07:55] <blockh34d> we've been looking at smoothieboards with some sort of addon board to control the 3 beyond the boards support for 5 steppers
[11:08:21] <blockh34d> but that seems full of problems and the smoothieboard people seem to really hate the idea so what does linuxcnc think of that?
[11:08:47] <JT-Shop> LinuxCNC can run up to 9 axes
[11:08:55] <blockh34d> great
[11:09:19] <blockh34d> yeah smoothieboard can run 3 + 2 extruders and anything else is looking like a lot of custom code
[11:09:33] <blockh34d> ok i'm telling the client to look into linuxcnc then
[11:10:32] <blockh34d> thanks... if you wanted to embed a device that runs linuxcnc into a 3d printer, what would you be thinking to run that? I heard the atom was a good choice... I'm hoping a tablet might work because then we could take care of the display too.
[11:11:04] <blockh34d> but n/m tablets have no parralel port and i hear thats the best way to go for no lag
[11:11:08] <Jymmm> LinuxCNC is NOT a "USB" solution.
[11:11:11] <blockh34d> right
[11:11:18] <blockh34d> yes that was covered elsewhere, i forgot for a moment
[11:11:27] <blockh34d> no usb with linuxcnc its too laggy yes?
[11:11:59] <Jymmm> You can use an miniITX mobo and a mesa card for the I/O, then you'll just need drivers for the stepper motors.
[11:12:19] <blockh34d> a mesa card? i'll google that thanks
[11:12:46] <blockh34d> so with mesacard i dont even use the parallel port?
[11:12:54] <blockh34d> but it needs pci?
[11:13:09] <Jymmm> both options are available
[11:13:18] <blockh34d> oh ok thanks
[11:13:55] <blockh34d> well its a lot more hardware but i already like the sound of it better
[11:14:10] <blockh34d> thanks for the tips
[11:14:20] <Jymmm> http://www.mesanet.com/fpgacardinfo.html
[11:15:38] <blockh34d> oh neat
[11:16:38] <blockh34d> "both options are available" was a bit of an understatement
[11:17:19] <Jymmm> I realize you said "embedded", but for $50 this might be an option too http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-dc7900-SFF-Intel-Core-Duo-2-E8400-3-00Ghz-2GB-Ram-DVD-DRIVE-No-Hard-Drive-/271840051741
[11:17:54] <blockh34d> not so much no
[11:18:08] <blockh34d> i understand why that would be better for many reasons but for this task i dont think it applies
[11:18:37] <Jymmm> They're really good boxes (in general) and good seller too.
[11:18:38] <blockh34d> the people that have contracted me to do this are developign a product and i dont think it could make use of ebay'd computers, or even any full size computer like that
[11:19:02] <blockh34d> i dont know that for sure though, i'll pass it along
[11:19:13] <Jymmm> Hell, for $50, buy a pallet full of em and gut em as you see fit =)
[11:19:24] <blockh34d> haha yah true
[11:19:30] <blockh34d> renderfarm
[11:19:43] <blockh34d> or bitcoin mine i guess, i dont mess with that though
[11:19:59] <Jymmm> Nah, that's what FPGA's are for =)
[11:20:10] <blockh34d> too bad a raspberry pi doesnt have a parralel port
[11:20:20] <blockh34d> i'm on one now, i like them
[11:21:01] <CaptHindsight> _methods: http://www.wardcnc.com/product/15/458/dynaturn-1700-series.html $800K list
[11:21:24] <_methods> yeah we need one of those
[11:21:40] <_methods> quite a bit more than the $19k we just paid for our manual though lol
[11:21:41] <Jymmm> _methods: What do you mean ONE?
[11:21:43] <CaptHindsight> a bit pricey from China
[11:22:20] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Just imagine the FREIGHT fees
[11:22:24] <_methods> is hankook chinese?
[11:22:31] <CaptHindsight> I bet if i ask the price from China it will be <$600K
[11:22:31] <_methods> i kinda figured they were korean
[11:22:58] <CaptHindsight> so did I but all the paperwork is Mandarin
[11:23:19] <_methods> ah they probably do all their fab in china that's funny
[11:23:30] <_methods> they are korean
[11:23:52] * JT-Shop makes a judgment call repack all the boxes into regional rate C boxes after lunch and a nap
[11:24:32] <CaptHindsight> hmm -$200K for the turret and controls
[11:24:34] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Those are nice boxes, aren't they =)
[11:24:54] <JT-Shop> save me $30 today
[11:25:07] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Yep
[11:26:41] <CaptHindsight> http://www.hanmachine.de/en/KM-KMIII.html sold in Germany so they must be good
[11:26:58] <ssi> negative 200k?
[11:27:19] <SpeedEvil> ssi: It's radioactive, and smells of skunk.
[11:27:24] <CaptHindsight> yeah, if you don't want them
[11:27:39] <ssi> ohh
[11:29:33] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: believe it or else it only costs a few $K to get it here by ship
[11:29:44] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/vpvf6ED.jpg
[11:29:56] <zeeshan|2> rigid tapping success
[11:30:11] <zeeshan|2> (the big plate with 10-32 threaded holes)
[11:30:15] <ssi> nice
[11:30:38] <zeeshan|2> but yesterday i did a challenge vs cnc
[11:30:39] <zeeshan|2> haha
[11:30:50] <zeeshan|2> i counter sinked one side of that using the cnc
[11:30:54] <zeeshan|2> and one side of it manually using a drill press
[11:30:58] <zeeshan|2> i won.
[11:31:03] <zeeshan|2> slow ass CNC
[11:31:07] <ssi> :P
[11:31:18] <zeeshan|2> 200 ipm too slow
[11:31:22] <zeeshan|2> it'd prolly need 1000ipm to beat me
[11:31:31] <zeeshan|2> (i was accounting for tool change also)
[11:31:35] <ssi> zeeshan henry was an aluminum drivin man
[11:31:45] <zeeshan|2> it was like BANG BANG BAN
[11:31:46] <zeeshan|2> g
[11:31:47] <zeeshan|2> done.
[11:32:34] * zeeshan|2 still cant get a mirror like finish on aluminum
[11:32:36] <zeeshan|2> its close
[11:32:38] <zeeshan|2> but not mirror like
[11:40:26] <ssi> try harder please
[11:49:36] <archivist> go up through the grades properly
[11:56:24] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ah
[12:31:40] <digsrus> Hi. I’m having a video problem installing linuxcnc from a USB stick. Can anyone help out?
[12:32:09] <_methods> hdmi connection by any chance?
[12:32:18] <archivist> many could if you state the actual error
[12:32:45] <_methods> i couldn't get video to come up on hdmi after i installed i forgot what i had to do though
[12:32:58] <_methods> had to go to vga and update some stuff
[12:35:44] <Jymmm> OH NOES VGA?!
[12:35:46] <digsrus> No , VGA. The live version
[12:36:04] <_methods> well guess my problem doesnt apply then
[12:36:11] <_methods> not that i can remember how i fixed it anyways lol
[12:36:16] <digsrus> works fine. When I try the graphics install it goes to hell.
[12:36:31] <Jymmm> digsrus: what HW?
[12:36:45] <digsrus> An old Dell.
[12:37:10] <Jymmm> Have the SERVICE CODE by chance?
[12:37:21] <Jymmm> (on barcode sticker)
[12:37:23] <digsrus> I get a barely legible “undefined video mode” number 314? message.
[12:37:47] <digsrus> I will go check. BRB.
[12:38:17] <Jymmm> err SERVICE TAG
[12:38:21] <Jymmm> (same diff)
[12:40:11] <cpresser> digsrus: sounds like it does not support vesa modes. try the text install.
[12:40:12] <digsrus> service tag: J34NT41
[12:40:40] <digsrus> Funny, the live version off the USB works fine.
[12:41:07] <digsrus> Same problem on two different monitors so that’s not it.
[12:41:57] <digsrus> The text install had the same video problem.
[12:43:19] <digsrus> The last install version (recovery?) worked fine, but I get a grub error if I remove the USB.
[12:43:43] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 hey man ya there?
[12:44:35] <cpresser> digsrus: are you getting the problem during the install or after the install?
[12:44:44] <digsrus> during the install
[12:45:02] <Jymmm> digsrus: It's ether Intel 82865G Graphics Controller OR Intel Springdale G Integrated Video, either wayI'd disable onboard video and use an plugin video card.
[12:45:17] <cpresser> weird, text mode should not give "undefined video mode" errors
[12:45:45] <Jymmm> Resolution 1280X768 not available on some displays.
[12:46:02] <Jymmm> "known issues"
[12:46:14] <Jymmm> http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/Drivers/DriversDetails?driverId=10WC1&fileId=2731108123&osCode=WW1&productCode=optiplex-170l&languageCode=EN&categoryId=VI
[12:46:23] <cpresser> when does the error occur?
[12:46:55] <cpresser> vesa-mode 0x314 is 800x600x16bit
[12:47:05] <digsrus> right after selecting the install version from the menu
[12:47:29] <Jymmm> digsrus: For future reference: http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/servicetag/J34NT41/drivers?s=BSD
[12:48:04] <digsrus> Thanks
[12:48:20] <Jymmm> digsrus: expand "components"
[12:48:34] <cpresser> digsrus: i am out of clues. no idea why text-mode wont work. try different video options in the bios.
[12:49:06] <digsrus> In F2 on boot up?
[12:49:50] <cpresser> dunnow. there is no default key for all PCs. some use 'DEL'
[12:51:05] <Jymmm> digsrus: In general (any computer).... "Onboard video" is usually a Bad Thing™ when it comes to LinuxCNC, especially on older hardware.
[12:52:02] <digsrus> Funny, it uses a 23” monitor just great live from the USB.
[12:52:28] <digsrus> The live version supplies it’s own video?
[12:53:24] <Jymmm> You can try changing the resolution using CTRL+ALT+NUMPAD_MINUS
[12:54:26] <digsrus> I’ll give it a shot.
[12:55:05] <Jymmm> Live use a more "compatiable" video, install tries for optimal (heh)
[12:56:36] <Jymmm> Maybe 'nomodeset' ? http://askubuntu.com/questions/186296/what-are-the-f6-options-during-installation
[13:00:17] <Jymmm> Undefined video mode 314 = 800x600x16bit
[13:01:49] <Jymmm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=258484
[13:01:55] <digsrus> No changes with CTRL+ALT+NUMPAD_MINUS
[13:02:17] <Jymmm> did you keep hitting the minus key? It rotates thru the modes
[13:03:06] <digsrus> Yes
[13:04:52] <digsrus> When I get the undefined video message I can see one option is to hit the space bar to continue. I can’t read the other options. Could one of these be a way of changing the resolution?
[13:06:04] <Jymmm> digsrus: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2043103
[13:06:09] <digsrus> I didn’t see a way of changing the resolution via SETUP on booting.
[13:06:30] <Jymmm> http://gusantov.blogspot.com/2008/05/undefined-video-mode-number.html
[13:09:17] <Jymmm> If that last link doesn't help, I'm out of ideas.
[13:10:30] <digsrus> I’ll try the F6 on bootup.
[13:17:08] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: That lathe you linked earlier... What I'd be curious to see is the straight edge they used to check how straight the ways are.
[13:17:27] <Jymmm> digsrus: Why? That's for install. Just make the change on the last link I gave.
[13:17:56] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Here ya go... ----/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\----/\/\/\/\/\/\/\\------
[13:18:14] <_methods> FinboySlick: i'm sure they use lasers for that
[13:18:35] <Jymmm> _methods: oval lasers!
[13:19:13] <anarchos2> does linuxcnc use even numbered stable releases? like 2.7 is the dev version, which will be 2.8 when released?
[13:20:39] <digsrus> Jymmm: I missed that link. Will try now.
[13:37:09] <FinboySlick> zeeshan|2: My machine does pretty close to 1000ipm, wanna trade?
[13:39:06] <ssi> zeeshan doesn't like fast machines
[13:39:08] <ssi> they scare him
[13:41:25] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[13:54:23] <digsrus> I was able to switch to a viewable resolution from the “undefined video screen” menu. It turns out the installer was immediately crashing with a “Fatal server error” , “segmentation fault” Maybe the USB is no good.
[13:54:52] <digsrus> BTW, thanks for your help.
[14:21:07] <anarchos2> any editors out there with gcode syntax colouring?
[14:23:24] <JT-Shop> gedit
[14:27:45] <_methods> predator, cimco edit, stock mastercam editor
[14:28:04] <_methods> most cam programs come with their own editors with syntax highlighting
[14:29:17] <_methods> gwizard i've never tried that one before though
[14:30:16] <_methods> i use cimco myself
[14:30:36] <_methods> http://www.tkcnc.com/
[14:30:45] <_methods> never tried that one either but it looks alright
[14:31:38] <_methods> used to use predator
[14:32:18] <anarchos2> any for linux (besides gedit)?
[14:32:27] <_methods> http://www.shopfloorautomations.com/shop/free-cnc-editor-predator-editor-software/
[14:32:35] <_methods> that is free predator
[14:32:44] <_methods> i'm sure it would probably run in wine
[14:35:40] <_methods> http://riesvantwisk.com/cms/home/cnctools.html
[14:36:20] <_methods> guess that's not an editor
[14:39:06] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Highlighting_In_Gedit
[14:40:05] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Highlighting_In_Vim
[14:40:15] <_methods> there ya go edit code like a bawse
[14:40:18] <_methods> in vim
[14:40:31] <_methods> gedit is for little girlz
[14:40:46] <_methods> and apple users
[14:41:09] <roycroft> i'm a mac user and i use vi
[14:41:23] <roycroft> i don't know what gedit is
[14:41:55] <_methods> lol
[14:42:06] <roycroft> probably because i'm a unix user who uses macs because they run unix
[14:43:01] <Jymmm> roycroft: Nuh uh... Darwin Kernel Version 11.4.2: Thu Aug 23 16:25:48 PDT 2012; root:xnu-1699.32.7~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
[14:43:15] <roycroft> it is unix
[14:43:30] <Jymmm> roycroft: Nuh Uh, MS-DOS
[14:43:30] <_methods> a sad perversion of it
[14:43:31] <roycroft> mac os x is a certified unix operating system
[14:43:38] <roycroft> which cannot be said for linux or any of the bsds
[14:43:52] * _methods holy war begun
[14:43:55] <roycroft> (not that unix certification means anything)
[14:43:58] <Jymmm> roycroft: OS/2 Warp v3
[14:44:04] <roycroft> stating facts is not a "holy war"
[14:44:12] <Jymmm> roycroft: CP/M
[14:44:52] <roycroft> ascribing a particular significance to facts can be a form of crusade
[14:44:56] <_methods> i shouldn't have taken that apple shot lol
[14:45:09] <_methods> you guys are so easy to bait
[14:45:11] <Jymmm> _methods: OS7?
[14:45:19] <_methods> hehe
[14:45:33] <Jymmm> Netware 4.11?
[14:45:54] <roycroft> the original netware was unix running on a m6800 platform
[14:46:06] <Jymmm> OH OH OH... SCO
[14:46:21] <roycroft> which used to be majority owned by microsoft
[14:46:53] <roycroft> before it got out of the operating system business and went into the litigation business
[14:48:47] <PCW> seem they were not very good at that either
[14:50:13] <Jymmm> lol
[14:50:59] <Jymmm> Oh wait, lets sue Novell! No, wait, IBM! No, wait Sun!, No, wait Microsoft!
[14:52:40] <SpeedEvil> Is SCO dead yet this week?
[14:52:56] <Jymmm> Really?! *heavy sigh* http://shoebat.com/2015/06/17/seventy-three-terrorists-are-now-being-allowed-to-work-for-the-tsa-and-now-the-tsa-is-saying-dont-worry-they-are-not-a-threat/
[14:55:04] <_methods> i thought everyone at teh TSA was a terrorist
[14:55:10] <_methods> now they say it's only 73 of them
[14:55:11] <_methods> lies
[14:55:18] <Jymmm> lol
[14:57:55] <robin_sz> so that was a fun day!
[14:58:10] <robin_sz> got the router all moving and referencing
[14:58:16] <robin_sz> no issues there
[14:58:44] <robin_sz> got the new vac pump hooked up to the bed too ... wow ... that REALLY sucks
[14:59:13] <_methods> hehe
[14:59:33] <_methods> wut the pope believes in climate change
[14:59:55] <_methods> aren't they the same guys that killed a bunch of people for saying the earth is round
[15:01:22] <Jymmm> Yep
[15:01:55] <cpresser> Jymmm: is this 'shoebat.com' website real or parody? its hard to tell for me
[15:02:48] <Jymmm> cpresser: No clue at all, just thought it ironic that the TSA employees "terrorist", but "They're harmless terrorists" =)
[15:03:26] <_methods> you mean like mormons ringing my doorbell at 7am on sunday?
[15:03:28] <Jymmm> cpresser: You read it on the interwebz, it must be true!
[15:04:05] <Jymmm> _methods: and dead at 7:01 for waking you up... err I mean "trespassing", yeah that's it...
[15:04:12] <_methods> hehe
[15:04:57] <cpresser> Jymmm: "airport workers with alleged ties to terrorism".
[15:05:10] <cpresser> virtually everybody has "alleged ties to terrorism"
[15:05:20] <Jymmm> I guess in Texas you ARE allowed to shoot trespassers *shrug*
[15:05:26] <_methods> 6 degrees of terrorism
[15:06:07] <Jymmm> cpresser: NFC
[15:07:14] <Jymmm> cpresser: I would expect a more 1:1, not a cousin of a friend who's neices BFF uncle something or another.
[15:10:41] <cpresser> afaik becoming part of a watchlist is as simple as writing emails to someone who is already on a watchlist.
[15:11:12] * cpresser is quite sure to be on at lease one US terrorism watchlist.. i wrote mails to snowden :)
[15:18:08] <XXCoder> _methods: I dont belive in climate change. I know its happening.
[15:19:56] <SpeedEvil> I don't belive in sulfur.
[15:20:48] <XXCoder> 2015 is all hottest months ever
[15:21:42] <_methods> ever?
[15:22:07] <XXCoder> all of man history yes
[15:22:12] <_methods> there ya go
[15:22:20] <XXCoder> which is millions of years
[15:22:26] <_methods> our speck of history
[15:22:49] <_methods> we've been accurately recording global temperatures for about 50 years
[15:22:56] <_methods> and i use the term accurately very loosely
[15:23:36] <XXCoder> meh not worried, we are in for nasty next few decades
[15:23:53] <XXCoder> islands is already being flooded
[15:25:03] <XXCoder> CIA just stopped giving reports on earth envorment suddenly, without cause, they are still recording so not sure whats going on
[15:25:19] <XXCoder> well I suspect something but no proof
[15:26:54] <_methods> they no longer need to release reports because they have total control of the weather now?
[15:27:06] <XXCoder> lol I wish that was the case
[15:30:51] <blockh34d> hi i'm looking into linuxcnc more for a project i'm on, i'm wondering about this beaglebone/custom cape option for linuxcnc
[15:31:08] <_methods> you'll have to ask the machinekit guys about that
[15:31:19] <_methods> i think they have a google group or something
[15:31:28] <blockh34d> the www.probotix.com/breakout_boards/ pbx-bb is the cape i'm talking about
[15:31:51] <blockh34d> _methods: thanks i'll check that out
[15:32:03] <XXCoder> maybe google model + linuxcnc + compitable
[15:32:09] <blockh34d> my question is about the number of outputs this says it supports
[15:32:22] <blockh34d> 15 out 5 in
[15:32:35] <blockh34d> software mappable apparently
[15:32:55] <blockh34d> what i'm trying to do needs a lot of axis, 8 stepper outputs total
[15:33:36] <Jymmm> blockh34d: "machinekit" is not us, you need to ask them.
[15:33:41] <blockh34d> i'm kinda green on this stuff though, from what i understand i need multiple outputs per stepper, so my question is will 15 outputs cut it for 8 steppers operating at same time?
[15:34:23] <ssi> you will have more success with a hardware stepper solution like mesa
[15:34:24] <blockh34d> oh ok thanks
[15:34:29] <Jymmm> blockh34d: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/machinekit
[15:34:42] <blockh34d> ssi: yes i'm looking into their boards and they look really nice
[15:35:10] <blockh34d> ssi: the goal is to embed this though so a smaller footprint would be great. but its not critical, miniitx would work too
[15:35:19] <ssi> that gets to be a harder problem right now
[15:35:33] <ssi> eventually I'm sure there will be some good solutions for small footprint embedded sbc
[15:35:40] <ssi> but right now that stuff is still pretty experimental
[15:35:42] <blockh34d> it seems like its close
[15:35:53] <blockh34d> lotta neat stuff happening on a small scale
[15:36:03] <blockh34d> i love my raspberry pis, i'm on one now
[15:36:21] <XXCoder> nice
[15:36:26] <blockh34d> i barely use my desktops anymore now that my tablet can do all the same stuff
[15:36:44] <blockh34d> its so much more quiet, i can actually hear the birds outside instead of just cpu fans
[15:37:20] <blockh34d> thanks for the machinekit tip i'll see what i can sort out with that
[15:37:37] <blockh34d> its looking like we might try linuxcnc for this project since it supports 9-axis motion
[15:38:01] <blockh34d> it was going to be a smoothieboard mod but its quite a mod
[15:39:26] <tjtr33> re the KUKA robot, have some fun and watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIIJME8-au8
[15:39:47] <ssi> I want to get one of those kuka arms pretty bad
[15:45:48] <_methods> yeah
[15:45:55] <_methods> we just sold our robot welder
[15:46:41] <XXCoder> _methods: bought it? heh I read something about welder arm 3d printing something
[15:46:52] <_methods> yeah a bridge
[15:47:05] <XXCoder> that ones new
[15:47:12] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: and very silly
[15:47:12] <XXCoder> im talking about earlier art one
[16:12:31] <ssi> https://theconversation.com/zimbabwe-ditches-its-dollar-ending-an-economic-era-43263
[16:22:40] <JT-Shop> is there a way to read a variable in the G code and send it to a comp now?
[16:25:22] <cradek> with gcode you can set a few of motion's output hal pins
[16:25:36] <cradek> I think that's the only possible way
[16:26:48] <Deejay> gn8
[16:43:52] <JT-Shop> hmm
[16:44:54] <JT-Shop> I wonder if M68 would work... gotta check that out
[17:19:13] <JT-Shop> yes it will work
[17:19:20] * JT-Shop loves LinuxCNC
[17:19:45] <Computer_barf> sup
[17:22:01] <JT-Shop> I just used File Properties to figure my cost to cut parts
[17:22:20] <ssi> :D
[17:22:23] <zeeshan|2> im confused
[17:22:31] <Computer_barf> within linuxcnc? does it calculate time or something
[17:22:33] <zeeshan|2> machienry handbook says max .135 for .125 spring pin
[17:22:43] <zeeshan|2> the spring pin i measure is 133..
[17:22:46] <zeeshan|2> hm
[17:23:17] <Computer_barf> I've been literally timing my parts with a stop watch, then making estimates of how many per hour
[17:23:55] <Computer_barf> I need to lay them out so it does a bunch of them at a time though, probably the goal of the day
[17:24:12] <JT-Shop> you do know LinuxCNC has a job timer?
[17:24:35] <Computer_barf> nope. im very noobie to cnc
[17:25:16] <Computer_barf> i figured it probably had something like that but just found it quicker to time one of them while I was experementing
[17:26:20] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/time.9.html
[17:26:42] <JT-Shop> simple to add to Axis... and a very complete man page if I say so myself
[17:28:14] <andypugh> My cunningly-contrived two-part in-situ installable motorcycle exhaust clamps worked out well. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/XfpArrA5FOb1Ys8LtYCMS9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[17:28:51] <andypugh> The original ones had corroded to the point of not working: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/C6n19hllwQIQrrN94dQ-f9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[17:29:27] <Computer_barf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REGeDjuADXI
[17:29:32] <andypugh> Why they used mild-steel flanges on an all-titanium uxhaust is a mystery to me.
[17:30:01] <andypugh> (and, to compound the problem, they welded the exhaust up witht he flanges on, so they can’t be replaced)
[17:56:46] <_methods> mild steel and titanium?
[17:56:49] <_methods> wtf is that about
[17:58:11] <_methods> was it brazed on?
[17:58:29] <_methods> i can see doing that so you can just replace the flanges easily
[17:58:36] <_methods> but welding sounds crazy
[17:58:51] <Jymmm> shabby sheek industrial look
[18:01:01] <_methods> can you even weld mild steel to titanium?
[18:01:52] <Jymmm> I think andypugh's issues is proof that you can do anything a dumbass puts it's mind to =)
[18:02:54] <_methods> i think you have to have a vanadium layer between the mild and titanium to actually weld it
[18:03:05] <_methods> i can't see them puttin that much effort into a stock street bike
[18:03:12] <_methods> but i have no idea
[18:03:42] <andypugh> The flanges are loose plates. They pull against a collar on the header pipe.
[18:04:02] <_methods> ahh so they used a mechanical bond then
[18:04:11] <_methods> swaged the pipe after the flanges were on
[18:04:13] <andypugh> But they (clearly) don’t fit past the collar, and the pipes are all fastened together at the collector box.
[18:04:30] <_methods> i can definitely see them doing that
[18:04:39] <andypugh> I think the collar is Ti too, and welded on.
[18:04:41] <_methods> you'd have to buy a whole new assembly from them
[18:04:50] <_methods> dirty
[18:04:56] <andypugh> _I_ wouldn’t have to, I fixed it :-)
[18:05:18] <_methods> heheh
[18:06:26] <_methods> i like that 2 part flange
[18:06:37] <_methods> you know you could probably sell those pretty easy
[18:07:02] <_methods> i don't think you'd be the first person to have this issue
[18:08:08] <anarchos2> kbc owes me $130...what should i buy?
[18:12:55] <shaun413> whats KBC?
[18:13:56] <shaun413> anarchos2, get some nice calipers
[18:22:13] <PetefromTn_> well I don't think I can compete with big companies making these damn exhaust manifold plates imagine that...
[18:28:21] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Mine were laser cut, which might be more cost-effective.
[18:28:42] <andypugh> I get quite a lot of stuff laser-cut, it tends to work out cheaper than buying the material. :-)
[18:30:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah either laser cut or waterjet and then machined might help I guess.
[18:31:11] <PetefromTn_> probably a bitch to surface machine if laser cut tho afterwards
[18:31:37] <andypugh> Depends on the material. It won’t affect mild steel or stainless.
[18:32:02] <PetefromTn_> they want mild 1018 apparently
[18:34:33] <PetefromTn_> it is half inch plate tho
[18:35:00] <PetefromTn_> a VMC is probably not the perfect machine to make them on completely
[18:35:59] <PetefromTn_> I would have to profile it in steps and then make finish pass around the perimeter as well as doing the surfacing of the plate both sides beforehand in addition to the pocketing and drilling etc. etc. it just adds up to a bunch of time
[18:41:03] <andypugh> Here is more detail on mine: http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/2004-yzf-r1-exhaust-flange-replacement.html
[18:41:59] <PetefromTn_> neato..
[18:42:59] <PetefromTn_> the problem is they are already getting these from someone else for damn near half of what I am needing to get for them. Like you said they must be able to use a laser or waterjet to rough the parts and then finishing on the mill to save time/money
[18:50:30] <PetefromTn_> I think I might try to get a quote to have then laser cut and go from there. If the laser cutting is reasonable I can maybe offer the finish machining as a package complete and the time would be considerably less. Depends on the laser cut price
[19:40:57] * furrywolf flops over exhausted
[19:53:48] * furrywolf just moved approximately 8,216 pounds of furniture
[19:54:45] <furrywolf> bbl, resting
[20:06:58] <SpeedEvil> How did I misread that as liquorice.
[20:15:55] <CaptHindsight> I misread that as 8.215 lbs and wondered why they used such a sensitive scale :)
[20:16:29] <PCW> I misread it as: time for dinner
[20:16:45] <CaptHindsight> "out to lunch"
[20:17:05] <PetefromTn_> whaddahell are you all talking about?
[20:18:28] <CaptHindsight> was at the Moulding Show today, was just mostly metal and edm suppliers, not a crown in sight
[20:19:23] <robin_sz> woo hoo
[20:20:14] <Jymmm> furrywolf: If this doens't work for you, then you can look for something like it that does if you want, but please don't complain/rant/bitch/whine about it. http://www.ebay.com/itm/CDMA-850MHz-3G-Signal-Repeater-Booster-Amplifier-Antenna-Kit-Mobile-Cellphone-/301653979962
[20:20:30] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: did you start hunting down tanks and tubs?
[20:21:14] <PetefromTn_> not yet actually spent most of the day machining parts and trying to find a decent 4x4 to buy for a DD
[20:21:17] <robin_sz> PetefromTn_, laser would be fine for those
[20:21:36] <PetefromTn_> wish I had a laser that could pierce 1/2 inch 1018 plate
[20:21:43] <robin_sz> not too thick, won't need profile machining, should be quite nice
[20:21:56] <robin_sz> most will
[20:22:13] <robin_sz> anything over 3kw won't have any trouble with that
[20:22:54] <robin_sz> my old 800W YAG used to pierce 10mm easy
[20:24:37] <robin_sz> theres a UK laser company that has online automated part pricing ;) .. if you want a guide price to convert to dollars
[20:25:05] <robin_sz> you just upload your DXF, out comes the price
[20:28:03] <PetefromTn_> nice
[20:28:40] <PetefromTn_> there is a local place that has a real big one I am gonna ask them what they would charge for them and I can just finish machine them. Won't make as much cash but might be worth a look.
[20:29:04] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight I am definitely interested in trying the anodizing.
[20:30:10] <PetefromTn_> I just need to figure out what is the best containers and try to either buy that one power supply you showed me or find something better on ebay. At least now I know what sort I need. Seems like from a video I posted yesterday after you went to bed that one is just about right for my needs.
[20:31:27] <anarchos2> just ordered 10 tiny 1.0mm drill bits from aliexpress for less than a dollar including shipping...what could go wrong?
[20:32:16] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: http://ndhsubmersiblescience.com/ano/720rule.html
[20:32:50] <anarchos2> i broke the two i bought trying to build a fogbuster knockoff :P
[20:33:38] <PetefromTn_> hey that could be useful...
[20:39:47] <CaptHindsight> http://multicoloranodizing.blogspot.com/ all this is really easy
[21:01:41] <PetefromTn_> wow man there are TONS of pages of info on this stuff you have huh.
[21:09:25] <PetefromTn_> MMmmmm Splash anodizing.
[21:12:21] <PetefromTn_> some of those are REALLY impressive looking
[21:15:10] <PetefromTn_> I would love to be able to offer that kind of coolness on my parts LOL I was just happy to be able to make them black...
[21:50:54] <jdh> isn't black harder?
[21:52:04] <PetefromTn_> dunno never done any anodizing before.
[22:09:29] <[cube]> there's standard anodizing and then there's 'hard anodizing' which is typically only black or hard-brown
[22:09:41] <[cube]> bleh
[22:09:44] <[cube]> *dark brown
[22:20:08] <PetefromTn_> hmm
[22:23:08] <tjtr33> haha linutronix comment on rt-preempt " Oh, one more note about hard or soft real-time - you know, a "bit" pregnant? No? Neither do we! And we have no "soft" real-time."
[23:33:13] <Jymmm> There may not be a "bit" pregnant, but there is a "LOT" pregnant... http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2015-04-01-1427911011-5287902-39weeks1day.jpg
[23:34:23] <Jymmm> Or even "DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN" pregnant... http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/63299/original.jpg