#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-06-15

[00:00:09] <zeeshan|2> im starting to do that now
[00:00:13] <zeeshan|2> its calleds "working with what you have"
[00:00:22] <zeeshan|2> i had a choice of making the downpipes , piping from scratch again
[00:00:26] <zeeshan|2> or modify my old ones
[00:00:36] <zeeshan|2> it took more effort to modify , but it cost much much less
[00:00:42] <zeeshan|2> and money is tight right now :P
[00:00:43] <furrywolf> so hacked one apart (a spare one, so I wouldn't ruin my working one!), figured out where the bends and nipples actually should be, fused it back together with a soldering iron, then gave it a coat of poly-bond epoxy...
[00:01:07] <zeeshan|2> nice
[00:01:22] <furrywolf> it doesn't look that great, but it works. :)
[00:01:31] <zeeshan|2> function over form any day.
[00:03:02] <furrywolf> http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/02/de4y5a6u.jpg there's a factory brush guard... took a while to find a picture of one.
[00:04:03] <zeeshan|2> aluminum?
[00:04:11] <zeeshan|2> wat
[00:04:37] <furrywolf> http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1070/1921/2673460343_large.jpg?v=8 fits like that
[00:04:52] <furrywolf> the verticals are heavy aluminum, the tube is stainless
[00:05:06] <zeeshan|2> that's the BRAT
[00:05:07] <zeeshan|2> !
[00:05:48] <furrywolf> yes. I don't have a brat, but it shows how it fits. :P
[00:05:57] <furrywolf> remember, everything forward of the a-pillar is the same. :P
[00:06:05] <zeeshan|2> i wonder if they were trying to figure out another name instead "dodge dart"
[00:06:28] <furrywolf> lol
[00:07:44] <furrywolf> the last brat I worked on we did an engine swap in... put a '80s engine into a very early brat. that's the one where in addition to a bellhousing adapter (it had a teeny tiny engine originally, with a teeny tiny bellhousing to match), we had to fab a flywheel adapter too.
[00:08:06] <furrywolf> since the flywheel ended up too far from the transmission, had to move the flywheel back.
[00:09:59] <furrywolf> the guy I worked on it with sold it to someone halfway across the country for $4k...
[00:12:45] <furrywolf> it was a rustbucket, but people really want those old brats
[00:12:52] <furrywolf> and having a new engine helped
[00:12:58] <furrywolf> the tiny engine was tiny. :)
[00:13:17] <furrywolf> the '80s subaru motors are so light you don't need an engine hoist...
[00:13:21] <furrywolf> and '70s ones are even lighter!
[00:13:40] <furrywolf> the original engine was ruined through stupidity.
[00:13:56] <furrywolf> it was towed behind an rv... on the freeway... in gear. reverse, I believe.
[00:14:03] <furrywolf> NO bearings left.
[00:14:16] <furrywolf> no rod bearings, no distributor bearings, nothing...
[00:14:38] <furrywolf> I decided it was reverse because of the direction the thrust bushings on the dist has been removed
[00:15:27] <furrywolf> did you know engines don't like going twice their redline, backwards, for a few hours? :)
[00:16:21] <furrywolf> it might have survived had it been a forwards gear, with the oil pump working
[00:16:28] <furrywolf> but backwards... not a chance.
[00:18:53] <zeeshan|2> back
[00:19:32] <zeeshan|2> that trunk space for the brat makes it look cool
[00:19:43] <zeeshan|2> its kinda like el camino
[00:20:16] <zeeshan|2> poor car
[00:20:23] <zeeshan|2> most tow truck guys make me cringe
[00:20:29] <zeeshan|2> they always give me a hard time to wanting a flatbed.
[00:20:42] <zeeshan|2> *for
[00:22:45] <furrywolf> this wasn't a tow company... they pulled it behind their rv with a towbar. one day they forgot to put it in neutral...
[00:23:08] <zeeshan|2> o
[00:23:23] * zeeshan|2 missed the rv part
[00:23:36] <furrywolf> and then it needed an engine. heh.
[00:24:14] <XXCoder> ow
[00:24:38] <furrywolf> I've never seen such bearing wear... not only were the rod bearings gone, but it had worn a substantial portion of the rods themselves away.
[00:24:55] <furrywolf> the distributor shaft almost fell out of the dist since all of its bearings were gone too
[00:24:55] <zeeshan|2> they did it in style
[00:25:44] <furrywolf> damage you could only do spinning the engine from an external source, as it would have stopped running or catastrophically failed well before then under its own power.
[00:25:48] <XXCoder> heh when pros screw up they do it in big way
[00:25:58] <XXCoder> furrywolf: that reminds me of my friend
[00:26:02] <XXCoder> he went in for oil change
[00:26:18] <XXCoder> well suv was free of old oil thats the good side
[00:26:29] <furrywolf> it took a bit of research to get the story, but apparantly they'd brought it into a shop ten years before we got it, saying they towed it behind their rv in gear and then it wouldn't start. they told them it needed a new engine, then it sat for ten years.
[00:26:30] <XXCoder> bad side was that it was free of new oil too
[00:27:24] <furrywolf> then we went "ahhhh... now it makes sense!". heh.
[00:27:32] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[00:28:36] <furrywolf> we tried to find an original '70s engine and gave up. not one available anywhere. so we did the swap to a '80s engine with all the various adapters.
[00:29:48] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[00:30:06] <XXCoder> night
[00:32:10] <furrywolf> XXCoder: heh, I heard the local high school auto shop forgot to add oil to someone's car once... school bought and installed a new engine.
[00:32:23] <furrywolf> free of charge, of course
[00:32:39] <XXCoder> yeah was same, friend was still unhappy as it was new suv
[00:32:45] <XXCoder> said it was never same
[01:21:15] <Valen> http://i.imgur.com/uJdJkKI.gif mmmmmmmm
[02:08:46] <Deejay> moin
[02:13:42] <CaptHindsight> http://phys.org/news/2015-04-3d-year-4d.html#nRlv I might as well write a BS article about 5D printing now
[02:23:09] <CaptHindsight> bend space time in hyperspace
[02:25:21] <CaptHindsight> I found the article amusing since they are printing with either phase change materials, memory polymers or similar is all
[02:25:21] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: you should read "man who built crooked building"
[02:25:37] <CaptHindsight> flatland the sequel?
[02:25:59] <XXCoder> oh right name "and he built crooked house"
[02:26:08] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: nah short story
[02:26:21] <XXCoder> basically guy build a unfolded 4d cube house
[02:26:29] <CaptHindsight> a polymer enclosure for a wax valve must qualify as a 4d printed device now :)
[02:26:34] <XXCoder> but quake somehow folded it so it become a true 4d cube house
[02:26:48] <XXCoder> heh time != 4d
[02:27:24] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22%E2%80%94And_He_Built_a_Crooked_House%E2%80%94%22 I think I saw the movie :)
[02:27:50] <XXCoder> movie??
[02:28:13] <XXCoder> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22%E2%80%94And_He_Built_a_Crooked_House%E2%80%94%22#/media/File:Tesseract_net_Crooked_House.svg
[02:28:34] <XXCoder> this is 4d version of paper cardbox box before it was folded: still flat that is
[02:28:42] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZlunw0FHaU
[02:29:00] <XXCoder> watching
[02:29:11] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEUDoQCECgA actual animation
[02:29:14] <XXCoder> autocaptions
[02:29:36] <XXCoder> you're nowhere is the largest if i'm practicing architecture
[02:29:42] <XXCoder> few words do make sense
[02:30:20] <XXCoder> watering latter
[02:30:47] <CaptHindsight> http://pattyinglishms.hubpages.com/hub/Tales-Of-The-Fourth-Dimension-And-He-Built-a-Crooked-House-by-Robert-A-Heinlein
[02:30:49] <XXCoder> I think I read about someone building crooked house in "second life"
[02:31:24] <XXCoder> oh that video IS second life
[02:31:43] <XXCoder> portal game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE2eZrs3m6k
[02:31:54] <XXCoder> oh wait it have link to newer version
[02:31:54] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-WyreE9ZkI#t=15 Tesseract - 6 Rotations
[02:33:22] <XXCoder> video I linked to is utterly unwatchabke to me :(
[02:33:46] <XXCoder> yup
[02:34:29] <XXCoder> theres this book thats not bad too lol
[02:34:45] <XXCoder> lemme remember what name it is
[02:35:35] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[02:35:43] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: the boy who reversed himself
[02:35:47] <Crom> been a busy week! Julius Caesar is up. Converted 1 dimmer pack and 2 lights to wireless DMX, and brought two more lights home to convert
[02:35:50] <XXCoder> it's bit triller for teenager
[02:35:55] <XXCoder> but interesting
[02:40:05] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x4P65EKjt0 Hypercubes, starting from dimension 0 up to dimension 6
[02:56:07] <XXCoder> back, watching
[02:58:36] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: nice
[02:59:39] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gNJ1z-ulB4 The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai
[02:59:57] <XXCoder> yeah watched that movie before, still cant find captioned dvd now
[03:02:05] <Valen> wow that looks interesting
[03:02:11] <CaptHindsight> The 102-minute version released on DVD in January 2002 has a subtitle track with director's commentary-style information and a fake documents feature.
[03:02:12] <Valen> and WEIRD
[03:02:18] <CaptHindsight> it is
[03:02:34] <CaptHindsight> classic 80's scifi
[03:02:47] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:03:09] <CaptHindsight> look how young everyone is
[03:03:30] <XXCoder> and look a how nonexistant some actors are lol
[03:05:40] <Crom> hmmm gotta find my VHS copy of that
[03:15:24] <XXCoder> weird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwg9eLHZZRo
[05:59:16] <RyanS> could be a good restoration project http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Surface-Grinder-/151713451245?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item2352d38ced
[07:57:37] <Loetmichel> hmmm... just installing the up-to-date liveCD (debian)... i it possible that the system has no smb service installed per efault?
[07:57:54] <Loetmichel> also: whoich VNC server to inall?
[07:57:57] <Loetmichel> +s
[08:10:50] <SpeedEvil> '
[08:10:50] <SpeedEvil> Postage:
[08:10:50] <SpeedEvil> May not post to United Kingdom - Read item description or contact seller for postage options. | See details
[08:10:50] <SpeedEvil>
[08:10:50] <SpeedEvil> Item location:
[08:10:52] <SpeedEvil> Bayswater, VIC, Australia'
[08:10:54] <SpeedEvil> I think I'll pass :P)
[08:11:35] <SpeedEvil> I guess the ways on surface grinders typically get very worn?
[08:11:44] <_methods> http://static.neatorama.com/images/2015-06/raccoon-alligator.jpg
[08:12:13] <SpeedEvil> I'm assuming I posted that yesterday. Raccoon Norris.
[08:12:35] <_methods> hehe
[08:12:39] <_methods> crazy raccoons
[08:13:07] <_methods> i guess we know the end is near when the animals are practicing to retake the earth
[08:13:27] <_methods> when the racoon alligator assault teams hit we're all done for
[08:43:04] <Tom_itx> _methods, it will be the ants. who really knows what they're planning underground?
[08:45:58] <Jymmm> Does that mean beached whales are really just testing our perimeter defenses and capabilities?
[08:47:09] <Jymmm> And purse dogs are really secret spies reporting back eveything they hear?
[08:48:52] <Tom_itx> i wonder how many of them have crapped in a Louis Vuitton
[08:49:25] <Jymmm> heh, ALL of them?
[08:58:22] <_methods> hahah
[08:58:39] <_methods> http://news.discovery.com/tech/robotics/robotic-tentacles-pick-up-ant-without-crushing-it-150612.htm
[08:58:48] <_methods> damn your ants
[08:58:49] <Jymmm> Well fudge... coffee maker went out =(
[08:59:39] <Jymmm> camp coffee time!
[09:01:46] <skunkworks> I use the foldgers coffee bags in emergencies...
[09:03:00] <Jymmm> Same idea... coffee filter + coffee + dental floss + butane stove
[09:03:30] <Jymmm> Butane stoves are cheap $15 and easy to use
[09:03:36] <Jymmm> EVERYONE should have one
[09:03:58] <Jymmm> And they work really really well too
[09:04:22] <Jymmm> I see Chefs and ceterers use them
[09:04:46] <Jymmm> Even coe with their own carrying case
[09:04:49] <Jymmm> come*
[09:09:17] <Jymmm> I get a 4pk of 8oz cans of butane for $5-$7 ($1.74/can)
[09:09:52] <Jymmm> Last 90minutes on high continuously, but thats for frying
[09:10:03] <Tensaiteki> Just made first chips and did a couple of rigid taps at the same time: https://youtu.be/dvdWepZ5o8Q
[09:10:59] <_methods> right on
[09:41:56] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xl3-GNnrCg
[09:48:53] <_methods> cutting good
[09:49:07] <zeeshan|2> skunkworks: nice!2
[09:49:18] <zeeshan|2> dude, is that a 2 flute cutter
[09:50:09] <zeeshan|2> if i tried to do that exact same cut with a 1/4 or 3/8 cutter
[09:50:11] <zeeshan|2> i'd break the cutter
[09:59:15] <zeeshan|2> .. i am still having a hard time coming up with quotes for a job
[09:59:21] <zeeshan|2> especially when customer provides the material
[09:59:55] <SpeedEvil> how long would it take you is a reasonable starting point, plus how annoying it is, multiplied by how rich you think they are
[10:00:12] <zeeshan|2> well its hard to come up with a time
[10:07:57] <zeeshan|2> https://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=Door+Lock.pdf
[10:08:00] <zeeshan|2> trying to quote this job.
[10:09:23] <furrywolf> requires login?
[10:09:36] <zeeshan|2> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8jgbbe6iqxbcqae/Door%20Lock.pdf?dl=0
[10:11:17] <furrywolf> ... requires login? :P
[10:11:59] <membiblio> Good Morning on the East Coast of USA :)
[10:12:17] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: all the things?
[10:12:21] <zeeshan|2> yes
[10:12:25] <zeeshan|2> thats why its hard.
[10:12:48] <SpeedEvil> Are most of the things bolted?
[10:13:08] <SpeedEvil> That seems very much like 'you don't want to make it like that' type problem
[10:13:32] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: one thing i find more annoying than anything is someone else critiquing a design
[10:13:40] <furrywolf> I need to invent a lid lock for my electronics enclosure...
[10:13:42] <zeeshan|2> some people just want things made the way they want it
[10:13:50] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: And yes, I totally agree.
[10:13:57] <furrywolf> I critique your designs all the time. :P
[10:14:04] <zeeshan|2> i make exactly what they want the way they want it
[10:14:06] * furrywolf hides
[10:14:15] <zeeshan|2> unless its a very tiny change (maybe a dimension or something)
[10:14:19] <zeeshan|2> that can save them significantly more
[10:14:42] <zeeshan|2> but there are other customers who will specifically ask if i can do it differently
[10:14:43] <zeeshan|2> then i comment
[10:17:11] * furrywolf still hasn't figured out what all the parts do
[10:17:16] <zeeshan|2> don't!
[10:17:25] <zeeshan|2> this is the best kind of job
[10:17:27] <zeeshan|2> you dont have to think
[10:17:29] <zeeshan|2> you just gotta make
[10:17:37] <zeeshan|2> so it's somewhat easy thinking
[10:17:42] <zeeshan|2> they are all straight forward parts to make
[10:18:01] <zeeshan|2> "back plate" -- i think i might setup rapid tapping finally
[10:18:02] <zeeshan|2> lol
[10:18:21] <ssi> hi
[10:21:05] <furrywolf> where is the square block on the lock pin between the handle block and the lid lock specified?
[10:23:07] <furrywolf> I take it there's more pages? also looks like some spacers not shown...
[10:23:20] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: lol
[10:23:27] <zeeshan|2> you really can't stop thinking
[10:23:33] <zeeshan|2> you do like 19 hours of thinking a day
[10:23:33] <zeeshan|2> :p
[10:23:44] <zeeshan|2> that isn't good for your health you know!
[10:24:06] <furrywolf> customers who realize there's something wrong after they get their useless parts back aren't happy customers. :P
[10:24:20] <zeeshan|2> that ain't my problem
[10:24:23] <zeeshan|2> i'm not the consultant
[10:24:26] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[10:24:32] <zeeshan|2> i make em to spec!
[10:24:37] * SpeedEvil realises that zeeshan|2 did the machining for Spinal Tap.
[10:26:24] <furrywolf> ?
[10:26:43] <syyl> he cranked it up to 11!
[10:26:48] <CaptHindsight> http://jimcofer.com/personal/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/stonehengeforblog81.jpg?hc_location=ufi
[10:27:06] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: whos spinal tap
[10:27:19] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I was meaning the 'standing stones'
[10:28:11] <furrywolf> I know very little about spinal tap.
[10:28:59] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x28p3n_spinal-tap-stonehenge_music
[10:29:34] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/qAXzzHM8zLw?t=2m10s starts ~here
[10:30:04] <furrywolf> that seems to be a video of some form.
[10:30:09] <zeeshan|2> why is this guy just talking
[10:30:10] <zeeshan|2> and not singing
[10:30:27] <JT-Shop> crap I need to plasma cut something but the sandblaster is sitting on it!
[10:30:53] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: running out of space already?
[10:31:02] <zeeshan|2> hahaha JT-Shop
[10:31:08] <zeeshan|2> dude you need to spend a week and organize
[10:31:11] <zeeshan|2> you have a ton of room
[10:32:04] <ssi> funny story
[10:32:05] * furrywolf needs a shop
[10:32:29] <ssi> I was at spruce this weekend buying crap for the RV, and I was looking for a dual fuel gauge to replace my two single gauges, to try to get an extra instrument hole
[10:32:32] <ssi> and I had them pull this:
[10:32:33] <ssi> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/beliteleddoublefuelgauge.php?clickkey=77362
[10:32:45] <CaptHindsight> "hundreds of years|before the dawn of history," lol
[10:33:14] <ssi> and the bastard was 3d printed!
[10:33:15] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHjONeiUwAAF7Ka.jpg:large
[10:33:27] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHjOO94UAAANl0J.jpg:large
[10:35:44] <furrywolf> lol
[10:35:49] <furrywolf> and like all 3d printing, looks like crap.
[10:35:55] <ssi> yep
[10:36:06] <ssi> it's not even good 3d printing
[10:36:25] <ssi> it wouldn't bother me for hobbyist crap
[10:36:33] <ssi> I wouldn't be unhappy with that product if it was something I produced myself cheaply
[10:36:38] <ssi> but it's a $125 fucking aircraft part
[10:37:23] <furrywolf> and the catalog picture is suspiciously not crap
[10:37:43] <zeeshan|2> lol ssi
[10:38:26] <JT-Shop> organizing now lol
[10:38:59] <JT-Shop> got two more 2' x 4' shelving units and doing some clean up on all aisles
[10:39:00] <ssi> furrywolf: if you zoom in on it you can see that it's 3d printed also, but it's been nicely smoothed
[10:42:25] <furrywolf> bbl, time for work
[10:43:07] <zeeshan|2> ssi i like it
[10:43:11] <zeeshan|2> 3d printing ftw
[10:44:14] <furrywolf> that's what you get for buying the $125 fuel gauge instead of the $500 fuel gauge.
[10:56:56] <lair82> skunkworks, you around?
[11:04:55] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOObk4d0pVU I wonder how many low volume semi-custom machines like these use Linuxcnc or Hal
[11:08:16] <archivist> noisy steppers!
[11:08:49] <CaptHindsight> wweeeeeeeeeee wwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[11:10:55] <CaptHindsight> https://github.com/openpnp what is this obsession with using crappy hardware for cnc control?
[11:12:39] <CaptHindsight> the smoothie uses a NXP LPC 1768/9 micro with Allegro A4982 stepper drivers
[11:13:24] <archivist> cost cutting and lack of sense
[11:15:06] <_methods> an uncontrollable desire to be on the cutting edge of not cutting edge
[11:15:07] <CaptHindsight> if they used Linuxcnc they would have been done months ago and it would have room to grow
[11:15:09] <malcom2073> Its no cheaper
[11:15:51] <_methods> i'd rather save a computer from the landfill if possible myself
[11:16:33] <archivist> its the allegro chips where they cost cut
[11:17:14] <CaptHindsight> http://smoothieware.org/smoothieboard
[11:17:23] <malcom2073> Except that cost is more than made up for with the rest of the board.
[11:17:44] <archivist> and profit :)
[11:17:56] <malcom2073> Heh
[11:20:26] <ssi> heh
[11:28:15] <Loetmichel> re @ home... *meh*... forgot to shut down the new CNC system... now the drivers and the PC will run the whole night... :-(
[11:32:30] <automata_> hi PCW
[11:32:49] <automata_> I have a 5i24 and a 7i90
[11:32:58] <automata_> I also have a 7i47
[11:33:19] <automata_> I wanted to connect the 7i90 as a serial remote to the 5i24
[11:33:30] <automata_> is that possible?
[11:33:53] <pcw_home> yes
[11:34:14] <automata_> can you walk me through the wiring required
[11:35:08] <automata_> i am a little confused on the bit files to be loaded on each FPGA and the wiring
[11:35:35] <automata_> should I load any sserial configuration on the 5i24 which is compatible with a 7i47
[11:35:41] <pcw_home> first you need to program the 7I90 with the sserial config (make sure you only program 1 EEPROM)
[11:35:52] <automata_> then load the ssremote.bit file into the 7i90
[11:36:31] <automata_> ok sure..
[11:37:36] <automata_> for the 7i90, should I use the configs/ssremote/7i90_ssremote.bit ?
[11:37:59] <pcw_home> Yes
[11:38:20] <automata_> or the configs/hostmot2/7i90_Serial_justio.bit ?
[11:38:49] <automata_> ok configs/ssremote/7i90_ssremote.bit it is then...
[11:38:54] <pcw_home> ssremote
[11:39:01] <automata_> done..
[11:40:08] <pcw_home> next issue is whether there is a standard 5I24 config for the 7I47 with a sserial port
[11:40:38] <automata_> I could make a pin file...
[11:42:28] <automata_> after programming the 5i24 with a compatible bit file which will provid ethe RX an TX pins appropriately on the 7i47 headers
[11:42:50] <pcw_home> PIN_SSSVST2_2_4_7I47_72.vhd look like a likely test config
[11:43:23] <automata_> then take a cat5 cable with a RJ45 jack at one end and insert the appropriate pins in the 7i47?
[11:44:12] <pcw_home> Yep (a bit of a pain because the 7I47 pinout is not designed for this)
[11:44:22] <automata_> oh ok..
[11:44:58] <automata_> so what is the easiest method (hardware) to connect the 5i24 to the 7i90 as an ssremote?
[11:45:21] <pcw_home> I have instructions somewhere for this (7I47 to sserial remote)
[11:45:31] <automata_> any cards that you make? or do I need to make my own BOB?
[11:45:42] <automata_> that will be cool..
[11:47:16] <pcw_home> well there are 8 channel cards plus (7I44 for example) and many cards (7I52,7I52S,7I53,7i78,7i76,7i77 etc) have some RS-422 ports for sserial
[11:48:16] <automata_> aha
[11:50:12] <automata_> programming the 5i24 now..
[11:51:00] <automata_> then fromt he software side ssremote discovery should take over right?
[11:52:11] <automata_> i.e., loadrt hm2_pci config="sserial_port_0=0XXX" should automatically recognize the ssremote config right?
[11:55:31] <pcw_home> Yes (well TX and RX and polarities need to be right..)
[11:55:38] <automata_> yup ...
[11:56:44] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: what the lowest cost ethernet (hm2_eth) FPGA card you have at the moment?
[11:57:15] <automata_> on programming the 7i90 as sserial remote, the /INIT LED is Glowing red and the PWR LED is yellow (like it always is)
[11:57:35] <automata_> the DONE led, glows and turns off..
[11:57:53] <automata_> is that correct for an SSerial_remote configuration loaded on the 7i90?
[11:58:16] <pcw_home> thats correct because the /INIT led is now the remote fault LED
[11:58:41] <pcw_home> (and you have at the minimum a watchdog fault)
[11:58:52] <CaptHindsight> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=83_85&product_id=302 this one?
[11:59:07] <pcw_home> Yes (and the 7I93)
[11:59:07] <automata_> ok.. got it.. so after sserial initializes and faults are cleared, that should turn OFF
[11:59:28] <pcw_home> Yes and you get some green blinkies
[11:59:59] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: I don't see the 7i93 on the website
[12:00:01] <automata_> ok...
[12:00:10] <pcw_home> Its not up yet
[12:00:27] <pcw_home> 7I93 is 2x50 pin version
[12:00:34] <CaptHindsight> how does it differ from the ....... ah
[12:00:36] <pcw_home> same price as 7I92
[12:01:07] <pcw_home> kind of a Ethernet 7I43
[12:01:19] <automata_> so 7i80 but with 2 HD connectors
[12:01:51] <pcw_home> yes (well cheaper with small FPGA and linear regulators)
[12:04:44] <automata_> so the 7i90_ssremote.bit file is synthesised from the ssremote.xise project?
[12:07:58] <CaptHindsight> and I also need an FPGA card to buffer and serialize 1GB/s of image data for an inkjet printer with 26,500 nozzles each firing at 40Khz
[12:09:49] <automata_> what is the PIN file used? PIN_JUSTIO_72?
[12:09:54] <CaptHindsight> the motion control is easy since it works like a lathe
[12:15:49] <lair82_> Hey Guys,
[12:17:13] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: are there any ethernet cards/controllers that should be avoided?
[12:18:20] <CaptHindsight> is there a known good/working list of ethernet controllers?
[12:19:29] <pcw_home> Reaktek 8139,68,69 ,11 work fine as does intel
[12:19:58] <CaptHindsight> has anything not worked well yet?
[12:20:11] <pcw_home> (you need to turn off interrupt coalescing in intel MACs though)
[12:20:14] <lair82_> What would be an I deal setting for MAX_ACCERLERATION in my INI file for the servos. the machine is a Cincinnati Milacron 10VC VMC,
[12:20:25] <pcw_home> Athersos never worked well for me
[12:20:56] <lair82_> I can confirm the Atheros are JUNK!!
[12:21:04] <cradek> lair82_: 14.91
[12:21:41] <lair82_> 14.91 inches per second squared?
[12:21:52] <pcw_home> lair82_ did you see my note that it looked like you were overloading the 7I49 inputs (4 error peaks per turn)
[12:21:58] <cradek> yes I'm sure from your description that is precisely the right value
[12:22:26] <lair82_> note? where?
[12:22:38] <pcw_home> on irc
[12:22:47] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: any testing with integrated NIC's in AMD FCH + A series APU's?
[12:24:54] <automata_> what is the PIN file used on the 7i90_ssremote.bit configuration?
[12:25:07] <automata_> is it PIN_JUSTIO_72.vhd?
[12:25:48] <lair82_> Ok, I got, not enough info, it has a Siemens triple axis drive in it, the x and y servos are Siemens PN: 17-52152, Stall Torque 102 lbs/in, 15 Amp stall current, 6.8 inch lbs/amps Torque constant, 2000 Rpm max.
[12:26:17] <lair82_> 40 inches of travel in the x, and 20 inches in the y
[12:26:26] <cradek> you will have to experiment
[12:26:43] <cradek> watch with halscope and listen and feel it as you increase the accel
[12:27:26] <cradek> if it can't follow the acceleration that you command, or it sounds or feels excessive (violent or bangy) that's too much
[12:31:16] <lair82_> pcw_home I just saw it, went back through the log for friday, what would cause that?
[12:31:28] <lair82_> Wrong voltage?
[12:32:15] <SpeedEvil> Balls shooting out of the slides is also bad.
[12:33:40] <pcw_home> lair82_ Didn't you have to fix this on another system (probably with the same resolvers)
[12:33:41] <pcw_home> Easisest thin to try is move resolvers to channels 3,4,5 and set the jumper to the 1/2 drive position
[12:34:03] <lair82_> Nothing has flown apart yet, but I just wasn't sure. I have it at 12 in the INI, and it is grumbling on take-off and slow down
[12:35:23] <lair82_> pcw_home this is the same machine, and I'm pretty certain I already did that. I will go check it now, been so long I don't remember if I actually changed it.
[12:36:52] <pcw_home> Haven't tried a AMD NIC, its probably OK, Atheros are definitely screwy though
[12:40:25] <CaptHindsight> most adapters around here are Realtek anyway
[12:41:05] <pcw_home> Intel is replacing Realtek on lots of newer Intel MBs
[12:41:09] <lair82_> pcw_home, it is setup on 3,4,5 and I have the W2 jumper "down" for 1:1 resolvers.
[12:41:35] <CaptHindsight> RealtekĀ® 8111F
[12:41:43] <pcw_home> well maybe something else (mechanical?)
[12:41:46] <CaptHindsight> so looks good
[12:42:24] <pcw_home> Latest Intel Gig MACs are ~ $2-3 so displacing RTK
[12:43:03] <CaptHindsight> what's this Intel you speak of? :)
[12:43:31] <lair82_> It sounded like it was a following error problem, so I am re-tuning the machine to get it even tighter, thats why I was aking about the acceleration
[12:46:51] <skunkworks> pcw_home, this makes me think it is tuning... http://postimg.org/image/5kbgl9j2d/
[12:47:08] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: is there anything x86 specific in the hm2_eth driver?
[12:48:16] <CaptHindsight> http://armdevices.net/2015/06/11/149-haier-chromebook-11-on-rk3288-ready-for-oem-brands-worldwide/ if forget what the opinion was for an ARM port
[12:49:45] <skunkworks> jepler had linuxcnc running on an odroid. (using spi to a mesa board)
[12:53:08] <CaptHindsight> not sure if SPI is easily accessible in the $150 chromebooks, but the Ethernet sure is
[12:53:26] <skunkworks> sure
[12:53:35] <skunkworks> if the ethernet isn't on a usb bus
[12:55:19] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: I think it's integrated into the SOC, but I'll check.......
[12:56:49] <lair82> Does that mean I still have an issue with the resolvers?
[12:57:48] <PCW> iCaptHindsight Dont think so, just standard userland networks stuff
[12:58:48] <CaptHindsight> nope, it's not integrated in the RK3288 :(
[12:59:46] <PCW> lair82: possibly, one way to check is move one turn of the ball screw and check linearity with a dial indicator
[13:02:20] <automata_> PCW: I have programmed the bit files correctly (checked the 7i90 and 5i24)
[13:02:53] <automata_> made the connections from the 7i47 to the 7i90.. but still no love..
[13:03:32] <automata_> software side, I ran via halrun: loadrt hostmot2, loadrt hm2_pci
[13:04:04] <automata_> i was thinking loadrt pci will automatically recognize the 7i90 sssremote connected...
[13:04:17] <PCW> I think it does
[13:04:19] <automata_> any way to check this setup?
[13:04:48] <PCW> make sure you remove the EPP cable
[13:04:59] <automata_> done...
[13:05:17] <lair82> We made some test cuts on friday, accuracy is almost perfect though,
[13:05:17] <automata_> 7i90 is being powered from the 7i47
[13:05:29] <PCW> thats fine
[13:05:59] <lair82> So I should hand rotate the screw, to watch the resolver scope?
[13:06:28] <Tom_itx> PCW you think mine'll go out this week?
[13:06:35] <CaptHindsight> maybe it's time to try a hm2_eth port to ARM
[13:07:07] <PCW> I would use an indicator and say move the( 0.200?) in 10 steps and see if they are all 0.0200 steps
[13:07:19] <automata_> for the 7i47, I have hooked up following pins: P4-15 : white green, P4-16: Green, P4-17: White brown and Brown, P4-18 white blue and blue, p4-19 white orange, p4-20 orange
[13:07:43] <lair82> Or command a .200" move at a very low feedrate, watching an indicator?
[13:07:48] <automata_> still no love..
[13:08:08] <CaptHindsight> i.mx6 has integrated GB Ethernet
[13:09:28] <automata_> 7i47 tx has been connected to 7i90 RX and vice versa
[13:09:49] <automata_> TX+ to RX+ and TX- to RX-
[13:13:52] <Tom_itx> automata_, i don't think that is right looking at my chart but i could be wrong
[13:14:24] <Tom_itx> i think green goes to P4-15
[13:14:45] <Tom_itx> as well as the orange pair
[13:15:19] <Tom_itx> P4-19 should be orange i believe
[13:15:57] <Tom_itx> i had mine connected to different pins but i'm looking at the RX RX/ pairs
[13:16:04] <Tom_itx> etc
[13:16:37] <PCW> Tom_itx: yes should ship today
[13:16:48] <Tom_itx> thanks, i appreciate that
[13:17:25] <Tom_itx> having to do way too many honeydoos while i wait...
[13:18:29] <PCW> sorry...
[13:18:37] <Tom_itx> heh
[13:19:45] <Tom_itx> automata_, also it looks like i have brown brown/white going to +5
[13:20:04] <Tom_itx> oh, nm you have that right
[13:20:13] <PCW> but itd my wife that will ship it and if I put too much pressure there will be blood..
[13:20:19] <Tom_itx> cross checking pins here..
[13:20:33] <Tom_itx> no need for blood loss
[13:20:40] <automata_> switched out white green and green and white orange and orange
[13:21:01] <automata_> still no love..
[13:21:17] <Tom_itx> i believe that's the way it should be wired though
[13:21:35] <automata_> how about software side? how should I check it?
[13:21:35] <Tom_itx> greed & orange are the + side
[13:21:47] <automata_> ok
[13:21:48] <Tom_itx> dmesg or mesaflash
[13:21:57] <Tom_itx> will give you the io
[13:22:18] <automata_> I do a halrun, and then loadrt hostmot2 and loadrt hm2_pci
[13:22:39] <automata_> I thought that should show up the sserial stuff on the pins right?
[13:22:54] <automata_> i.e. show pin hm2_5i24.0.
[13:23:10] <automata_> should show the pins on the 7i90 too right?
[13:25:36] <automata_> 7i90 datasheet says RXA is pin J1-1 i.e, white orange
[13:25:49] <automata_> is RXA == RX-?
[13:26:01] <automata_> and RXB==RX+?
[13:26:36] <Tom_itx> sudo mesaflash --device 7i90 --epp --addr 0x378 --readhmid
[13:26:45] <Tom_itx> sudo ./mesaflash --device 7i90 --epp --addr 0x378 --readhmid
[13:27:01] <Tom_itx> will give you a list
[13:27:23] <Tom_itx> i'm just telling you where i put mine and it worked
[13:27:27] <CaptHindsight> cubie2 (A20) has an integrated NIC as well, have to see if it will just work
[13:27:29] <automata_> i do this after connecting the epp port on the 7i90 right?
[13:27:39] <Tom_itx> yes
[13:28:10] <Tom_itx> make sure that's the right parport address, it should be
[13:28:19] <automata_> ok
[13:28:47] <Tom_itx> i print that and keep it with my docs
[13:29:38] <Tom_itx> you need to make sure you have sserial connected to those pins in the bit file
[13:31:44] <automata_> it says no 7i90 board found
[13:31:50] <automata_> huh...
[13:32:22] <Tom_itx> right port address?
[13:32:36] <automata_> so, i switched to secondary eprom, rebooted the 7i90, re-programmed the 7i90_ssremote.bit file, and rebooted
[13:32:41] <Tom_itx> this is connected to the parallel port right?
[13:32:54] <automata_> port is correct cause I cna re-program the 7i90
[13:33:15] <automata_> yes it is.
[13:34:04] <automata_> is there a specific bit file I should use? I have been using the 7i90_ssremote.bit that comes with the configs/ssremote
[13:34:17] <automata_> in the 7i90 zip downloaded from the mesanet site
[13:34:22] <Tom_itx> i dunno, i make my own
[13:34:37] <automata_> using ssremote.xise project?
[13:34:41] <Tom_itx> you need to figure out what pins the sserial are on in the bit file
[13:35:07] <Tom_itx> using the seveni90 xise
[13:35:13] <Tom_itx> iirc
[13:35:29] <PCW> 7i90_ssremote.bit is correct
[13:35:53] <Tom_itx> i brought mine out different pins so i dunno where those come out
[13:36:33] <automata_> huh..
[13:36:37] <PCW> As i said before make sure you dont program both EEPROMS with 7i90_ssremote.bit
[13:36:55] <Tom_itx> yeah that could be..... bad
[13:36:57] <automata_> i did not.. I am able to recover with the second
[13:37:49] <automata_> so still playing it safe.. but I do have a xilinx Jtag cable in case bad things were to happen!!
[13:37:53] <Tom_itx> you're using prebuilt bitfiles?
[13:38:06] <automata_> yes pre-built 7i90_ssremote.bit
[13:38:32] <Tom_itx> stick with those at least until you get it working
[13:39:06] <automata_> that was the idea... I am also sticking with pre-built hardware (7i47) till it works!!
[13:39:34] <Tom_itx> i'm using the same combination
[13:39:51] <Tom_itx> different sserial card though
[13:40:26] <automata_> 5i24 side i have used a PIN file PIN_SS_SV_ST_2_2_4_7I47.vhd
[13:40:41] <automata_> which one?
[13:40:57] <automata_> I am ordering 7i69 and 7i84 today..
[13:41:08] <Tom_itx> i've got a 7i84 iirc
[13:41:26] <Tom_itx> not using it atm
[13:41:52] <automata_> ok..
[13:47:27] <automata_> with the 7i90_ssremote.bit file programmed, what should mesaflash give?
[13:48:21] <automata_> with the 7i90_ssremote, I tried mesaflash with --readhmid option but mesaflash does not recognize the 7i90 board
[13:49:10] <Tom_itx> connected to the parport?
[13:49:16] <Tom_itx> something is wrong then
[13:49:49] <Tom_itx> do you have the latest mesaflash?
[13:50:03] <automata_> i'll get that now...
[13:50:16] <Tom_itx> https://github.com/micges/mesaflash
[13:50:22] <automata_> ok
[13:54:06] <PCW> mesaflash cannot talk to a 7i90_ssremote.bit config
[13:54:55] <Tom_itx> i thought he was using parport to the 7i90
[13:55:08] <Tom_itx> that won't show the config?
[13:55:57] <PCW> No, he's got a 7i90 programmed as a sserial remote device
[13:56:19] <Tom_itx> i c
[13:57:01] <Tom_itx> i think he had the wires backward on it
[13:57:28] <PCW> freeby.mesanet.com/7i90pins shows what pins you get
[13:59:26] <automata_> huh...
[14:00:11] <Tom_itx> i guess i'll have to try that now that i'll have 2 7i90s
[14:00:40] <automata_> 7i90_ssremote will show up as 7i76e?
[14:01:27] <Tom_itx> what's the host card?
[14:01:29] <automata_> oh.. got it.. it will show up as 5i24.0.7i90.0....
[14:01:35] <automata_> 5i24
[14:01:36] <Tom_itx> yup
[14:01:47] <PCW> no, all ssremotes show up in the tree based the the host device (7I76E in this case, 5I24 on your case)
[14:03:02] <automata_> what is the loadrt hm2_pci config params
[14:03:15] <PCW> (just happened to have a 7I76e running tests
[14:03:16] <automata_> for the 7i90 connexted as ssremote?
[14:03:47] <automata_> i am doing loadrt hm2_pci config="sserial_port_0=0XXX"
[14:04:05] <PCW> should not matter much, probably sserial_port_0=0x
[14:04:24] <automata_> ok
[14:04:41] <PCW> (extra X's are ignored to not harmful)
[14:05:14] <Computer_barf> PCW: that link you posted above, does there happen to be one like that for the 7i76e?
[14:05:42] <PCW> well that is a 7I76E...
[14:06:21] <automata_> i am running via halrun, so, should I do a start for all the magic to happen? or will the hostmot2 driver do the initialization before?
[14:06:26] <Computer_barf> oh i thought it was something else cause it said 7i90
[14:06:30] <PCW> (with the 7I90 ssremote tacked on)
[14:06:32] <automata_> before the threads are inserter?
[14:06:56] <PCW> I think discovery works without threads
[14:07:00] <automata_> sorry before the threads are started?
[14:07:07] <automata_> that is what I thought too...
[14:07:31] <automata_> I will try this again with latest git copy of hostmot2 in the morning...
[14:08:31] <automata_> I am currently trying with a latest install CD binary.hybrid.iso
[14:09:58] <PCW> this should work fine on 2.5
[14:10:14] <PCW> 2.6 2.7 2.8
[14:13:57] <PCW> my guess is its a wiring issue (7I47 wiring is awkward to sserial devices)
[14:18:14] <automata_> ok...
[14:19:18] <automata_> will try again in the morning with clean slate wiring...
[14:19:25] <PCW> are you sure the 7I47 is on the I/O 0..23 connector
[14:19:30] <PCW> ?
[14:19:44] <automata_> yes... on P4
[14:20:06] <automata_> but just in case I also tried P2
[14:21:45] <PCW> getting the 7i47 connections right is not easy as I recall (since its really setup more for encoders and step/dir)
[14:22:12] <automata_> yup. i agree...
[14:23:20] <automata_> I will try to load a normal GPIO on the sserial pins and see if their loop back works...
[14:24:09] <PCW> normal GPIO will work with the current config
[14:24:23] <automata_> according to PIN_SSSVST_2_2_4_7I47.vhd, TX0 shows up on IO 21 and RX0 on IO 14
[14:25:18] <PCW> so if the sserial probe failed you should have those available as GPIO
[14:25:19] <automata_> 7i47- IO21 is routed to pin 7i47-P4-19,20
[14:25:26] <automata_> yes i do...
[14:25:59] <automata_> 7I47 - IO14 is routed to pins 7i47-P4-15,16
[14:27:25] <automata_> I will try to connect IO14 to IO21 via the differential lines
[14:29:13] <automata_> ok it is little late here.. like 1 am.. so will try this in the morning..
[14:29:38] <automata_> in any case I have th 7i84 and 7i69 comming in by next week.. so I can try with those...
[14:29:49] <automata_> thanks PCW and TOM)ITX
[14:29:53] <automata_> TOM_itx
[15:02:40] <Computer_barf> http://pastebin.com/xS4cnS1F
[15:02:57] <Computer_barf> cannot use axis values without a something gcode
[15:03:18] <Computer_barf> "cannot use axis values without a g code that uses them"
[15:03:25] <Computer_barf> around line 22
[15:03:44] <automata_> pcw: just got off the phone with Katharine... ordered a 7i44 tooo... so maybe that will help tide over the 7i47 wiring issues...
[15:03:55] <Computer_barf> im using solidcam with solidworks, and a emc2 post processor
[15:04:46] <PCW> automata_: try swapping the RX+ with RX- and TX+ with TX-
[15:04:57] <Computer_barf> and im sure you guys can help me edit it out, but im wondering if perhaps there is something i can do to prevent my cam/postprocessor from doing such things
[15:05:30] <automata_> did that.. swapped White oragnge and orange and white green and green
[15:06:24] <automata_> no luck..
[15:08:04] <_methods> Computer_barf: you have coordinates called out with no motion type i.e. g0/g1/g2/g3
[15:08:25] <_methods> line 21 and 22
[15:08:56] <_methods> and g30?
[15:09:15] <_methods> g54 on 2 lines
[15:09:29] <Computer_barf> im more wondering why they are being produced in the first place
[15:10:00] <Computer_barf> ive switched to a emc2 post processor , which seems to have improved things
[15:10:12] <_methods> you might want to read up on g92.1 and g30 before you go dropping them in your programs
[15:10:37] <_methods> and they are being produced because your post is telling them to be produced
[15:12:14] <_methods> it looks like your emc post is in need of much editing
[15:13:19] <Computer_barf> what if I ran everything after S-SLOT - SLOT
[15:13:41] <_methods> that would be a horrible idea
[15:13:51] <_methods> all that stuff at the beginning is there for a reason
[15:14:35] <Computer_barf> wondering if anyone knows of a better linuxcnc post processor for solidcam/solidworks
[15:14:49] <_methods> a standard fanuc post should get you very close
[15:15:12] <Computer_barf> that's what you said the last one was before I got the post processor
[15:15:13] <_methods> or haas post
[15:15:58] <_methods> i don't have solidcam so i won't be able to help you too much there
[15:16:17] <_methods> but if you can paste your post i might be able to see what's going on
[15:16:34] <Computer_barf> ok that I can do let me find it
[15:16:35] <_methods> just copy a standard fanuc post
[15:17:05] <Computer_barf> wait well, i will have to go to the computer that I run solidworks on
[15:17:12] <Computer_barf> brb
[15:17:15] <_methods> k
[15:19:04] <_methods> http://lifehacker.com/lastpass-hacked-time-to-change-your-master-password-1711463571
[15:25:00] <_methods> https://blog.lastpass.com/2015/06/lastpass-security-notice.html/
[15:27:02] <automata_> pcw: should I be using the TopSSRemote from ssremote.xise for generating newer ssremote files for the 7i90?
[15:27:27] <automata_> i know i should first get the pre-generated one to work!! and then jump ahead
[15:28:00] <automata_> but I will eventually get the current setup to work!! woth or without the 7i44!!
[15:35:17] <Computer_barf> _methods: http://pastebin.com/HwhFzfqC
[15:40:21] <_methods> k looking now
[15:40:56] <Computer_barf> that's the one that I produced that last one with
[15:41:19] <_methods> k i'll make some quick edits that will post for you to at least run
[15:41:38] <_methods> obviously you'll have to edit it to make it perfect for how you want
[15:47:16] <Computer_barf> i previously edited out the tool change from that gcode file
[15:47:37] <Computer_barf> it was basically stopping the program and saying to change the tool and click resume
[15:47:42] <PCW> yes topssremote is the top level file
[15:48:10] <Computer_barf> i couldn't find a resume in linuxcnc so I just removed the toolchange
[15:48:30] <Computer_barf> although, having it pause like that is ideal if I can locate how to resume it
[15:49:57] <_methods> http://pastebin.com/RDisARxL
[15:50:06] <_methods> ok that should get you a post that will run
[15:51:01] <_methods> kick me another post of what it does
[15:51:07] <_methods> to your gcode
[15:51:31] <Computer_barf> cool yes, what magic generally did you invoke?
[15:51:42] <_methods> i commented my changes in there for you
[15:51:52] <_methods> i basically got rid of all the g92.1's and g30's
[15:52:03] <_methods> and made some changes to your startup/preamble
[15:52:24] <_methods> @start_program
[15:52:24] <_methods> ; after tools definition
[15:52:24] <_methods> {nb, '(################################)'}
[15:52:24] <_methods> {nb, 'G80 G49 G40 G00 G54'}
[15:52:25] <_methods> endp
[15:52:27] <_methods> that there
[15:52:35] <Computer_barf> ok cool. I will run upstairs and install, wash , rinse, repeat
[15:52:58] <_methods> i'm leaving work now but i should be back on in a few when i get home
[15:53:05] <Computer_barf> cool no problem
[15:53:09] <_methods> gotta watch game of thrones hehe
[15:53:22] <Computer_barf> ill just consistently harass you through the ages
[15:53:30] <_methods> hehe
[15:53:33] <Computer_barf> oh are you a book reader?
[15:53:40] <_methods> yeah
[15:54:02] <Computer_barf> well ill wait for you to watch and im interested in what you think afterwards
[15:54:20] <Computer_barf> see ya in a bit
[16:07:08] <Deejay> gn8
[16:12:58] <_methods> they've been good so far but it's starting to stray quite a bit from the books
[16:52:10] <Computer_barf> DeeJay's gn8 is like clockwork every night
[16:52:17] <Computer_barf> well, his night
[17:07:31] <Loetmichel> Computer_barf: he is a farmer
[17:07:50] <Loetmichel> he goes to bed with the sun and rises with the chicken ;-)
[17:08:43] <DaViruz> i go to bed when i can't put it off any longer, same with getting up
[17:08:59] <DaViruz> sometimes a little later.
[17:09:05] <Loetmichel> same here
[17:09:29] <Tom_itx> PCW, does it take a special bit file to config the 7i90 for sserial?
[17:09:33] <Loetmichel> lucily being a production manager nobody bats an eye if i am half an hour late...
[17:09:52] <Loetmichel> ... as i tend to stay later than i have to, also
[17:09:57] <DaViruz> my boss is pretty sick with my late arrivals.. :)
[17:10:00] * Tom_itx puts a note in Loetmichel's file
[17:12:40] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: which says what?
[17:13:19] <Tom_itx> that you owe the company a half hour
[17:13:30] <Loetmichel> the other way around is true
[17:13:46] <Loetmichel> usually i am at the company at 08:30... and leave around 18:00
[17:13:58] <Loetmichel> i SHOULD be there at 0800
[17:14:12] <Loetmichel> but i SHOULD leave at 1700 ;-)
[17:14:57] <PCW> Tom_itx: yes
[17:15:21] <Tom_itx> the sserial_7i90 file he was using?
[17:16:44] <PCW> 7i90_ssremote.bit
[17:18:20] <Computer_barf> linear move on line 17 would exceed joint 2's positive limit
[17:18:26] <Computer_barf> so i guess i go into the ini and modify the length of the axis?
[17:19:03] <Tom_itx> PCW using that, how do you allow for special functions on the 7i90 then?
[17:19:15] <Tom_itx> or is that too much overhead for the sserial?
[17:19:52] <PCW> but, I noticed that that bit file is flaky (probably not the cause of Amits communication issues)
[17:19:54] <PCW> I just recompiled and its working now (for an hour or so so far)
[17:23:23] <_methods> Computer_barf: are you in inches again?
[17:24:02] <Computer_barf> no, well , linuxcnc is set to display in inches
[17:25:14] <_methods> ah there is no unit set in that post
[17:25:30] <_methods> paste me a standard fanuc post instead of that emc post
[17:25:36] <_methods> i'll add what you need to your post
[17:30:29] <_methods> i'm guessing you'll need to add something like this to the post
[17:30:32] <_methods> http://pastebin.com/3gatJWvX
[17:30:33] <Computer_barf> http://pastebin.com/xNSyYnzF
[17:30:51] <Computer_barf> there is the most recent generated file from solidworks
[17:31:34] <Computer_barf> but you want to see a standard fanuc post.. which i guess i would need to change my post processor to something fanuc
[17:32:02] <Computer_barf> im wondering if my post processor can be modified to make it assume mm's?
[17:32:12] <PCW> the default config is just I/O
[17:32:14] <PCW> doing more is possible but currently would require
[17:32:15] <PCW> writing specifc ROM code for the desired process data
[17:32:50] <Computer_barf> PCW: you replying to me or someone else?
[17:33:18] <PCW> Tom_itx
[17:33:40] <Computer_barf> _methods: ok so add that pastie to my post processor i guess you are saying
[17:34:37] <PCW> its probably possible for the ROM code to parse the hm2 iDROM and enable all options but thats a lot of work
[17:35:12] <Tom_itx> ok
[17:35:35] <Computer_barf> _methods: ok im going to go upstairs and add that into my post processor and see if it does the buisness, it makes sense that it is moving this drastically again that it doesn't know its in mm
[17:35:44] <Tom_itx> still quite a bit of GPIO
[17:36:13] <Tom_itx> PCW did you change the file or just recompile it?
[17:37:15] <PCW> Its been so long I dont recall
[17:37:20] <Tom_itx> heh
[17:37:46] <PCW> last time I touched this was 8 months ago or so
[17:38:05] <Tom_itx> oh, i thought you just recompiled it
[17:38:12] <_methods> Computer_barf: i won't know if that will work without seeing a post with inch and metric in it
[17:38:26] <_methods> i don't know the correct names for the functions in the post processor
[17:38:30] <_methods> i was just guessing with that
[17:44:36] <PCW> I did just recompile it but I might have changed something at the last moment 8 Months ago so the bitfile in the zip may not be current
[17:48:24] <Computer_barf> _methods: ahh i see , ill get yo one then.
[17:53:00] <_methods> ah or the 3 files that go with your post will work i think the funcitons are listed in them
[17:53:06] <_methods> .prp .vmid
[17:53:19] <_methods> and .gpp
[17:53:24] <_methods> i think
[17:53:37] <_methods> sorry i've never edited a solidcam post
[17:53:50] <_methods> and it's been like 4 years since i've used solidcam perios
[17:53:55] <_methods> s/perios/period
[17:57:36] <Computer_barf> http://pastebin.com/m01QMgAd
[17:57:49] <Computer_barf> should i get you those other files?
[17:58:06] <Computer_barf> the linuxcnc .prp , .vmid
[17:58:18] <Computer_barf> thats what the fanuc .gpp
[17:59:06] <Computer_barf> sorry i take a bit each time i have to get a file, i have to run upstairs, find the file, transpher it to the owncloud, run back downstairs , get it from the owncloud, post it to pastebin, loll
[18:01:22] <furrywolf> subaru power!
[18:01:53] <malcom2073> You need to automate that crap! :P
[18:01:54] <_methods> it's ok let me check this real quick
[18:02:36] <furrywolf> the guy I got the generators from said he had a couple more 3000s about 50 miles up in the hills. I figure I'll take my car, as it gets a lot better gas milage than my van, and is a lot more nimble. I get there... he has a couple 3000s... and a 6500... and a couple 2000s... and four and a half 1000s... and a couple boxes of parts...
[18:03:08] <_methods> wow that's one of the stock posts?
[18:03:10] <furrywolf> about 1200lbs of stuff in the back of my subie right now. :)
[18:03:17] <_methods> it has no mention of units either
[18:03:49] <Computer_barf> hmm
[18:04:08] <malcom2073> Haha damn furrywolf, how do you get so lucky with these? :-P
[18:04:11] <_methods> have you edited that file?
[18:04:18] <furrywolf> 32 years old, no problems at all pulling 1200lbs of cargo up steep hills in 110 degrees.
[18:04:53] <furrywolf> unfortunately, the 6500 has the same problem as the other two... bad inverter!
[18:04:59] <Computer_barf> i added the section you gave me to the end of the post processor and then generated the gcode and attempted running it, and then it moved drastically upwards like when it thinks mm are inches
[18:05:05] <Computer_barf> so yeah i don't think it did its thing
[18:05:10] <_methods> the fanuc one?
[18:05:28] <_methods> yeah i didn't think that inch/metric thing would work
[18:05:37] <_methods> i need to know the real name of the function to call
[18:05:46] <Computer_barf> on no , just added those lines you pastebined to the linuxcnc post processor
[18:05:47] <_methods> i think it may be inch_system
[18:05:51] <furrywolf> malcom2073: it's a repair shop that closed a location, and got rid of their piles of crap they weren't getting around to fixing.
[18:05:56] <malcom2073> heh
[18:06:12] <Computer_barf> i need a free diesel generator
[18:06:17] <Computer_barf> that would be nice
[18:06:29] <malcom2073> I know a guy selling a 4kw diesel for $300
[18:06:32] <furrywolf> he has some other stuff too, but I'm not going to touch Champion generators with a 10ft pole...
[18:06:47] <furrywolf> that's pretty close to free as diesel gens go
[18:07:17] <malcom2073> Yeah, I don't have the cash right now otherwise I'd jump all over it :(. It's an old military one
[18:07:34] <Computer_barf> well even if you won't touch the brand with a ten foot pole , if it is free, the its mostly free aluminum
[18:07:34] <malcom2073> So runs loud, smoky, and well
[18:07:59] <furrywolf> Computer_barf: yeah, but my subie was getting full... how much weight do I want to put in it? :)
[18:08:15] <furrywolf> I could have brought it back, but I'd have had to put it in the front seat.
[18:09:02] <Computer_barf> multiple trips?
[18:09:44] <furrywolf> 100 miles to pick up scrap metal? no
[18:09:50] <Computer_barf> ohhh
[18:09:55] <furrywolf> gas is $3.70/gal here.
[18:09:59] <Computer_barf> sorry didn't understand
[18:11:17] <Computer_barf> what I want is to build a catalytic cracking unit to process plastics into propane/gasoline / kerosene / waxes
[18:12:47] <_methods> Computer_barf: this video should teach you everything you need to know about editing your post
[18:12:50] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1ZkKvYCiPw#t=272
[18:13:59] <Computer_barf> _methods: well perhaps while I figure out the video, what code was it that i would add manually to set the units to mm?
[18:14:20] <_methods> G21
[18:14:56] <_methods> you could just hardcode G21 into your preamble for now if you wanted
[18:15:04] <_methods> but that's pretty kludgy
[18:16:39] <JonOS> hello, there is a new user in the house! :)
[18:17:00] <furrywolf> Computer_barf: that's one of those things that's easy in theory, but hard in practice, with you never getting the compounds you want, things coking up, etc.
[18:18:44] <Tom_itx> hello new user in the house
[18:19:06] <Computer_barf> _methods: mind showing me what such a kludge would look like, I'm happy to edit that in to solve the problem for now while I take the slower path with the video
[18:19:45] <JonOS> Hi Tom_itx ... I guess I should hang back and observe for a while ... but wanted to announce myself too ...
[18:22:43] <_methods> http://pastebin.com/XkqbKwDN
[18:22:50] <_methods> that would be kludgin it heheh
[18:23:02] <_methods> the G21 will be hardcoded into your preamble
[18:23:15] <_methods> not the right way to do it
[18:23:26] <Computer_barf> temporary fix
[18:23:30] <_methods> yeah
[18:23:49] <Computer_barf> going to do my tour of the house to impliment
[18:23:55] <_methods> but that video looks pretty thorough
[18:24:07] <_methods> i'd watch that and you should be good to go on post editing
[18:24:50] <furrywolf> Computer_barf: if you do get such a cracker working, let everyone else know how you did it. :P
[18:45:08] <furrywolf> I should fix one of the 1000s first. I've wanted one of them for a long time. they're tiny and little.
[19:00:45] <Computer_barf> Furrywolf: I have a library of threads of people's units that are already doing such.
[19:01:05] <Computer_barf> if you want I can share them with you when im not preoccupied with my mill
[19:04:07] <Computer_barf> humm kludgened it and its still doing its run to the top of z deal
[19:14:18] <Cromaglious> weeeee
[19:21:42] <_methods> oh well that's your fault at this point
[19:22:13] <_methods> you need to make sure your retract heights and feed heights are set correctly in solidcam
[19:25:08] <Cromaglious> crash? NYCCNC did that last week... retract was 0.020 shy of clearing a bolt on the hold down
[19:28:54] <_methods> shit happens
[19:42:24] <furrywolf> I need a shop. :(
[19:43:11] <malcom2073> Help me concrete mine and you can use it :-P
[19:43:20] <furrywolf> I just put down some more pallets in the grass to give me more space to stack generators.
[19:43:42] <malcom2073> lol
[19:47:40] <furrywolf> what else am I supposed to do? heh
[19:48:49] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: put some more pallets on top, a tarp, and sand on top of the tarp
[19:49:41] <furrywolf> ... so I can work in the sand?
[19:51:24] <SpeedEvil> I mean as a roof
[19:52:26] <furrywolf> lol
[19:52:58] <furrywolf> I really hope to be able to afford my own property one of these days, and then I can have a shop...
[19:54:10] <SpeedEvil> you don't have permission to erect temporary structures?
[19:54:48] <furrywolf> oh, I could, but that takes time and money...
[19:54:59] <furrywolf> pallet shacks look like shit, by the way.
[19:55:13] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:55:33] <SpeedEvil> yeah - I'm planning on making something that doesn't quite look like shit cheapish
[19:55:43] <SpeedEvil> using cast concrete and ...
[19:55:49] <SpeedEvil> Timber framed
[19:57:01] <furrywolf> nothing made with concrete is cheap.
[19:57:04] <furrywolf> concrete is expensive!
[19:57:19] <furrywolf> wood is much, much cheaper
[19:57:21] <SpeedEvil> Thin tiles, fibreglass reinforced
[19:57:33] <SpeedEvil> hung on timber
[19:57:40] <furrywolf> fiberglass is even more expensive
[19:57:53] <furrywolf> also, that sounds suspiciously like hardiboard, something you can already buy, cheaper than you can make it.
[19:57:54] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fibreglass-heavy-plastering-rendering-reinforcing-mesh-roll-1M-x-50M-165gsm-/380994770209?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item58b50ed521
[19:58:40] <SpeedEvil> In principle, pretensioning this, and then pouring concrete on top of it, and then adding decorative chips gives you a nice thin light strong weatherproof, decorative board.
[19:58:41] <furrywolf> that's a very open, thin mesh. you'll need lots of layers.
[19:58:53] <zeeshan|2> pee on the soil
[19:58:57] <zeeshan|2> get mushrooms
[19:59:02] <zeeshan|2> put stuff on mushrooms
[19:59:08] <furrywolf> in principle, going to your local hardware store and buying a stack of hardiboard is cheaper. :P
[19:59:25] <SpeedEvil> It's actually strongly bonded between each mesh. The idea is you apply ~1 ton/m on each axis
[19:59:58] <furrywolf> zeeshan|2: ?
[20:00:07] <furrywolf> zeeshan|2: how much weight have you put in the back of your car? :P
[20:00:16] <zeeshan|2> battery
[20:00:17] <zeeshan|2> thats about it :P
[20:00:28] <zeeshan|2> didnt wanna mess with the balance
[20:01:07] <furrywolf> the guy I got the generators from said he had a couple more 3000s about 50 miles up in the hills. I went there in my car, since it uses less gas than the van, and is a lot more nimble. he had a couple 3000s... and another 6500, a couple 2000s, and four and a half 1000s... I have about 1200 lbs in my subie right now.
[20:01:26] <zeeshan|2> you have too much fetish for generators
[20:01:31] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[20:01:41] <Tom_itx> JonOS, what sort of machine do you have?
[20:01:49] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: https://www.jameshardie.com/
[20:02:24] <furrywolf> people buy full-size trucks and use them to get groceries... I keep putting more weight in my subie than most people ever put in their trucks. heh.
[20:03:40] <furrywolf> unfortunately, just like the other two, the 6500 has, of course, another bad inverter.
[20:03:44] <furrywolf> I'm beginning to think honda undersized the inverters on them somehow.
[20:04:06] <furrywolf> it could also be that I only get ones with bad inverters, because it's the one part too expensive for most people to want to change. heh.
[20:04:57] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: god that's a fucking awful website.
[20:05:07] * furrywolf tries to find a better one
[20:06:12] <furrywolf> if they weren't fucking potted...!
[20:06:56] <zeeshan|2> language !
[20:07:02] * zeeshan|2 is langauge patrol
[20:07:07] <zeeshan|2> fak fak fak!
[20:07:27] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I'm aiming at ~$3/m^2 or so, tops
[20:07:35] * Tom_itx slaps zeeshan|2 with a wet noodle
[20:07:48] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: what do you call a scary bee?
[20:08:10] <furrywolf> for anything involving concrete? not happening
[20:08:12] <Tom_itx> i don't generally call them
[20:08:16] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: why?
[20:08:16] <furrywolf> unless concrete is a lot cheaper there than here
[20:08:23] <zeeshan|2> boo-bee
[20:08:24] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[20:08:33] <furrywolf> because concrete costs more than wood in any measurement other than weight? heh
[20:09:10] <zeeshan|2> nothing beats using a skid
[20:09:14] <zeeshan|2> as a cheap platform
[20:09:18] <zeeshan|2> they are free :P
[20:10:16] <SpeedEvil> Wood is not very cheap here.
[20:10:23] <zeeshan|2> you live in england
[20:10:26] <zeeshan|2> the land of nothing!
[20:10:28] <SpeedEvil> yes
[20:10:29] * zeeshan|2 hides
[20:10:36] <SpeedEvil> Scotland, technically
[20:10:45] <zeeshan|2> you see a lot of brick houses there for a reason
[20:11:00] <zeeshan|2> i like uk
[20:11:00] <furrywolf> a 4x8ft (very close to 3m2) sheet of 1/2" plywood is $14... cement, I don't remember the prices right now, is something like $20/80lb bag...
[20:11:15] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: limestone!
[20:11:18] <zeeshan|2> shit's cheap
[20:11:32] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: yes, but most of the weight is sand and aggregate, not cement
[20:11:44] <furrywolf> those cost money too
[20:11:52] <furrywolf> and plywood is under $5/m2...
[20:11:53] <SpeedEvil> Much less
[20:12:05] <zeeshan|2> how dare you use si units
[20:12:05] <SpeedEvil> 1600lb of sand is $80
[20:12:11] <zeeshan|2> especially when talking about plywood
[20:12:18] <furrywolf> zeeshan|2: because he's in si-land. :P
[20:12:21] <zeeshan|2> haha
[20:12:35] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: do you have a scottish accent
[20:12:37] <furrywolf> except for road signs, weights, volumes,... :P
[20:12:45] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: somewhat.
[20:12:49] <zeeshan|2> cool :D
[20:13:07] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: does it sound like canadian and americans have accents to you?
[20:13:13] <zeeshan|2> (i always was curious to know that)
[20:13:33] <zeeshan|2> we think you have an accent, yet you think we have an accent :D
[20:13:34] <zeeshan|2> funny how that works
[20:13:49] * zeeshan|2 watches doubleboost on youtube and has become accustomed to the accident
[20:13:51] <zeeshan|2> *accent
[20:14:15] <furrywolf> the mesh you pasted is 50m2 for about $50 (more, but it makes the numbers round). that's $1/m2 per layer. you need a few layers...
[20:14:29] <zeeshan|2> cpresser: hi
[20:14:49] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: It's not that sort of fibreglass.
[20:14:54] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: It's one layer
[20:15:03] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/0YJM0JX.jpg
[20:15:04] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/36EVtRC.jpg
[20:15:12] <zeeshan|2> there is the microprocessor.
[20:15:17] <furrywolf> one layer results in something that cracks instantly. you need layers with a space between them to create strength.
[20:15:19] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/pEFc3cr.jpg
[20:15:26] <zeeshan|2> here's pics for the boards
[20:15:27] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: hence the pretensioning
[20:15:51] <SpeedEvil> This is not how you're supposed to use it, but specs and limited tests indicate it works fine
[20:16:38] <furrywolf> I think you're going to end up with something weaker and more costly than wood. heh.
[20:16:47] <furrywolf> 1/2" plywood is very strong.
[20:17:11] <furrywolf> you can get the 3/8" stuff for like $9 a sheet if you don't need strength... probably still stronger than cement and one layer of fiberglass mesh.
[20:17:25] <SpeedEvil> yes, I'd also like something that doesn't forever require painting, and the decent stuff that won't rot instantly is not that cheap.
[20:17:39] <furrywolf> the prices I'm giving are for exterior plywood.
[20:17:56] <SpeedEvil> quite.
[20:18:07] <SpeedEvil> And I would be delighted if I could get that price.
[20:18:36] <SpeedEvil> It's more like ~$13/sheet in 50s.
[20:18:45] <SpeedEvil> For the non-exterior grade
[20:19:02] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/JJ6CnSY.jpg
[20:19:06] <zeeshan|2> here's the future plasma cutter
[20:19:12] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/W2EU1CF.jpg
[20:19:30] <furrywolf> you don't usually see non-exterior plywood for sale here... it'd rot too quickly even inside.
[20:19:50] <furrywolf> only time I've seen non-exterior was stuff with fancy veneers on it.
[20:20:02] <SpeedEvil> This is real shite.
[20:20:12] <SpeedEvil> Some of the sheets have a ~20 degree bend in them
[20:20:30] <furrywolf> lol
[20:20:36] <furrywolf> that's from improper storage
[20:20:44] <furrywolf> go to a better lumber yard.
[20:21:07] <furrywolf> that's what happens when you drop it on racks with no support along the length
[20:21:29] <furrywolf> now, if you want OSB, that stuff is dirt cheap... because it sucks.
[20:21:38] <SpeedEvil> Oh - no.
[20:21:45] <SpeedEvil> It's not due to lack of support.
[20:22:01] <SpeedEvil> Some is nicely circularly warped.
[20:22:32] <furrywolf> osb is like $8/sheet for 1/2"...
[20:22:39] <SpeedEvil> if only
[20:24:04] <furrywolf> concrete, brick, etc are expensive here... wood is cheap.
[20:24:10] <furrywolf> 8ft 2x4s are around $2...
[20:24:18] <furrywolf> for nice ones!
[20:24:46] <furrywolf> you can get to around $1.50 for the slightly shorter ones in "stud grade" (bends and knots).
[20:25:55] <furrywolf> I bought some 16x16" pavers the other day... $8 each for crap ones.
[20:26:47] <SpeedEvil> yeah - that price for timber is about half what I can get
[20:26:53] <SpeedEvil> In moderate quantity
[20:27:06] <furrywolf> that's for single quantity, no account, no discount.
[20:27:21] <furrywolf> it's cheaper if you buy in quantity or have an account...
[20:30:58] <SpeedEvil> Oddly the cheapest source of timber I've found has planed-all-round at moderately cheaper than rough-sawn
[20:31:11] <furrywolf> lol
[20:32:01] <SpeedEvil> From memory, $200 for 100m of 3*2
[20:32:56] <furrywolf> 3x2? that's a weird size. :P
[20:33:08] <furrywolf> everything here is 2x4.
[20:33:13] <SpeedEvil> 4*2 is volumetrically more expensive
[20:34:22] <furrywolf> I tried buying 2x3 once here... it's pretty much unavailable. if you want it, you rip a 2x6.
[20:34:41] <furrywolf> I tried four lumber yards and couldn't get it.
[20:36:01] <furrywolf> other than x1, odd sizes (as in, not even numbers of inches) do not exist.
[20:47:32] <JonOS> Tom_itx: sorry took a break and just saw your post about what kind of machine I had ....
[20:49:01] <JonOS> I have a homebrew mill made out of scanner steppers and ways ... made with particle board and plywood .... works but not too sturdy ... only milling wax for the moment
[20:49:48] <JonOS> have a link to a picture online if you are interested ...
[20:50:56] <JonOS> right now I am mostly working on learning the G-code language equivalents of loops and subroutines ... pretty new to LinuxCNC but it installed and running
[20:50:58] <Tom_itx> yup
[20:51:24] <Tom_itx> gotta start somewhere
[20:51:49] <JonOS> http://imgur.com/EVJQekB
[20:52:57] <JonOS> I was making my own pcb's and writing my own assembly code .... ugh .... didn't have good stepper drivers (low current/power) ... now using Pololu ... up to 2Amp/coil ... :)
[20:54:03] <Tom_itx> i've got a bud doing the same thing
[20:54:03] <JonOS> that's a dremel tool ... very old .... ran off 7volt rechargibles!
[20:54:40] <JonOS> want to work up to an aluminum machine by using lost was method of casting .... from milled wax ... grass roots
[20:55:05] <JonOS> what is your setup like?
[20:56:25] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/sherline_files/sherline_index.php
[20:56:28] <Tom_itx> original setup
[20:56:40] <JonOS> funny I was going to guess sherline :)
[20:56:47] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/psu_index.php
[20:56:55] <Tom_itx> new supply
[20:57:11] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/timing_pulley_index.php
[20:57:14] <Tom_itx> new drive
[20:58:36] <JonOS> what kind of amps can you get from your transformer supplies?
[20:58:57] <Tom_itx> ~18
[20:59:03] <Tom_itx> 48v
[20:59:50] <JonOS> I got a transformer from an old microwave I made a spot welder out of .... many amps (hundreds) at one volt .... but I rewired the secondary coil
[21:00:30] <JonOS> that is not continuous load though .... probably would heat up pretty good
[21:00:59] <JonOS> what do the sherline motors require in amps/power?
[21:01:37] <Tom_itx> i'm not driving mine very hard
[21:01:42] <Tom_itx> 2-3A for now
[21:02:04] <Tom_itx> could push them to 4 i think but i won't
[21:03:01] <JonOS> Is the pully system for a spindle or the x-y-z system too?
[21:03:45] <Tom_itx> spindle
[21:04:02] <Tom_itx> so i can get reverse and do things like rigid tapping and sync motion
[21:05:44] <Tom_itx> i use it mostly for playing with linuxcnc nowdays
[21:05:49] <JonOS> I noticed you built a cage around your mill ..... I have to have something similar since I work inside and was gets everywhere!
[21:06:16] <JonOS> *wax get everywhere
[21:08:12] <JonOS> I see some robots on your site ... is that your main focus? got any other projects in the works?
[21:09:10] <Tom_itx> not so much anymore
[21:09:54] <JonOS> I see also you have 68HC11 background .... I am working with those alot ... making pcbs .... I got about 50 of them surplus ...
[21:10:13] <Tom_itx> they're antiques now
[21:10:55] <JonOS> yeah ... but I have invested too much in learning how to use them ... and right now can't afford to change ...
[21:11:08] <JonOS> collecting all the compilers etc
[21:11:10] <Tom_itx> avr are pretty nice
[21:11:13] <Tom_itx> cheap too
[21:11:30] <Tom_itx> use avrgcc
[21:11:40] <JonOS> yeah ...
[21:16:16] <JonOS> I am curious about your toaster oven project .... what do you use it for? and is the control system for temperature?
[21:17:31] <Tom_itx> reflowing boards
[21:17:46] <JonOS> I tore apart several of these for the heating elements and made a small "kiln" for melting aluminum primarly ...
[21:18:20] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/boards/reflow/cooking.JPG
[21:19:14] <JonOS> nice I would like to get into reflow ... and surface mount .... but I am still doing DIP TTL with transfer paper ... ugh .... eagle PCB software helps
[21:19:46] <JonOS> I still have one toaster oven left ... maybe reflow in the future
[21:21:51] <Tom_itx> i've used eagle for a long time
[21:22:22] <Tom_itx> too lazy to do toner transfer anymore
[21:23:08] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/tiny/tinyTPI1.jpg
[21:23:26] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/tiny/tinyboard1.jpg
[21:23:33] <Tom_itx> those are SOT23 btw
[21:33:28] <JonOS> nice clean traces! ...
[21:34:33] <JonOS> if you don't do toner transfer ... how are you getting you etch "mask"?
[21:35:03] <Tom_itx> china
[21:35:28] <JonOS> something you laser print on?
[21:35:48] <Tom_itx> i send em in to board houses nowdays
[21:35:53] <JonOS> oh
[21:36:02] <Tom_itx> haven't done many lately though
[21:36:37] <JonOS> yeah ... it's relatively cheap ... but have more time than money ... :)
[21:40:13] <JonOS> nice talking to you Tom_itx ... hopefully I'll be around here in the future as I get more aquainted with LinuxCNC ...
[22:46:34] <furrywolf> just did a round of initial generator diagnosis... one of the eu1000is put out power running off starting fluid (but not gas), smokes a bit. one of the eu2000is sprays the starting fluid back out the intake. the other 2000 has no oil drain plug or oil. both of the other 1000s have completely oil-fouled spark plugs, one of which also has water on it.
[22:47:33] <furrywolf> one of the 3000s starts (it even came with a tank of gas and a fully charged battery!) and puts out power, but smokes heavily. the other 3000 has the carb monkeyed with and I couldn't get any sign of life, and the starter is marginal so I didn't try too hard.
[22:47:54] <furrywolf> the 6500 starts and runs perfectly... until it shuts down 5 seconds later with bad inverter codes.
[22:49:03] <furrywolf> there's a fourth 1000 completely (and I mean completely! they'd put a tweeker to shame!) dismantled in a box looks like it needs rings, both because they look worn, and there's a sealed ring kit next to the piston.
[22:51:00] <furrywolf> there seems to be enough parts to make all of them work, with purchasing sufficient new parts. unfortunately none of them seem to have problems fixed by pulling parts off another generator!
[22:51:39] <furrywolf> I think I have 7 generators that need rings and/or valves. :)
[23:07:39] <zeeshan|2> dude
[23:07:42] <zeeshan|2> you have too many generators
[23:07:43] <zeeshan|2> gimme one
[23:08:23] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/6ztY0
[23:08:28] <zeeshan|2> tonights toolbox score
[23:08:36] <zeeshan|2> $175 for all
[23:08:46] <zeeshan|2> i actually went for the kennedy box for $60
[23:08:49] <zeeshan|2> and he had all these other boxes
[23:08:51] <zeeshan|2> full of tools
[23:09:14] <zeeshan|2> all quality brands like brown and sharpe, proto, starrett, mitutoyo
[23:09:19] <zeeshan|2> shit there's even a made in usa cat40 taper cleaner
[23:09:19] <zeeshan|2> haha
[23:09:21] <zeeshan|2> i needed one!
[23:09:48] <zeeshan|2> i really like the old school wood box
[23:23:21] <furrywolf> sure, which broken one do you want? :P
[23:23:40] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:23:46] <zeeshan|2> the least broken one!
[23:24:33] <furrywolf> all of the last batch are similiarly brokenn. except for the eu6500, they all need valves (or valve guides or a head), rings, or both. the 6500 needs an inverter, which is very expensive.
[23:24:45] <furrywolf> rings are cheap, it's just the labor...
[23:24:53] <zeeshan|2> youre kinda far :[
[23:25:00] <zeeshan|2> i'd take one off your hands
[23:25:11] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[23:25:13] <zeeshan|2> dude
[23:25:16] <zeeshan|2> theres so many tools in this
[23:25:21] <zeeshan|2> i dont even know where to begin
[23:25:21] <furrywolf> shipping to the land of ehs is very expensive.
[23:25:52] <furrywolf> yeah, looks like you got a quite good deal.
[23:26:01] <zeeshan|2> i think im gonna keep the kennedy box
[23:26:03] <zeeshan|2> and get rid of the rest
[23:26:11] <zeeshan|2> i cant decide if i should keep the kennedy
[23:26:12] <zeeshan|2> or the beach
[23:26:17] <zeeshan|2> i wanna keep one
[23:27:08] <furrywolf> I have a kennedy box... it's empty. instead all my machinist tools live mixed together in a plastic tub.
[23:27:25] <zeeshan|2> lol wtf!
[23:27:41] <zeeshan|2> i think practically
[23:27:46] <zeeshan|2> the beach box would be more useful
[23:27:51] <zeeshan|2> since i can store all my setup things in it
[23:27:56] <furrywolf> which one is that? I don't recognize the name.
[23:28:01] <zeeshan|2> the big red one
[23:28:10] <zeeshan|2> i think it's a canadian brand
[23:28:23] <zeeshan|2> dude you know whats funny
[23:28:34] <zeeshan|2> i pulled a stanley blade out
[23:28:41] <zeeshan|2> "MADE IN USA"
[23:28:47] <zeeshan|2> i have the same exact thing
[23:28:47] <furrywolf> the eu1000i that's in the box is cute... the crank is so small I think I could pass it through the cylinder on the eu3000is. :P
[23:28:51] <zeeshan|2> but it says made in china
[23:28:52] <zeeshan|2> =D
[23:29:17] <furrywolf> stanley used to make decent tools. they then got bought by black&decker and made crap, like everything else.
[23:29:28] <zeeshan|2> yea
[23:29:33] <zeeshan|2> another thing im happy about
[23:29:36] <zeeshan|2> is wood handle screw drivers
[23:29:39] <zeeshan|2> been wanting them for a while
[23:29:41] <zeeshan|2> got some now
[23:29:59] <zeeshan|2> this guy had some torx fetish..
[23:30:13] <zeeshan|2> he has 6 sets of torx drivers
[23:30:25] <zeeshan|2> why would someone do that?
[23:31:38] <furrywolf> b&d owns stanley, dewalt, porter-cable, mac, proto, bostich, blackhawk, oldham, kwikset, price pfister, devilbiss, etc, etc, etc....
[23:31:47] <zeeshan|2> wow
[23:31:52] <zeeshan|2> i didnt know they owned that many companies
[23:32:05] <zeeshan|2> dewalt power tools are way better than milwaukee
[23:32:06] <furrywolf> if you have six sets, that means you can find one at least 50% of the time. that's my experience at least.
[23:32:10] <zeeshan|2> so i guess they're not crap
[23:32:16] <zeeshan|2> well dude
[23:32:20] <furrywolf> eh, modern dewalt is getting pretty crappy...
[23:32:20] <zeeshan|2> you just keep a drawer called "torx"
[23:32:21] <zeeshan|2> or allen
[23:32:40] <furrywolf> right, except what if you don't have drawers. you have piles of stuff. you also have a shop, a garage, a vehicle toolkit,...
[23:32:58] <furrywolf> one by the milling stuff, one with the automotive stuff,...
[23:33:20] <furrywolf> and, of course, two is one and one is none. the size you need will be the one that broke last time and you forgot to replace...
[23:33:29] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:33:34] <zeeshan|2> i have yet to break a torx
[23:33:41] <zeeshan|2> ive snapped a little allen key before
[23:33:46] <zeeshan|2> but never a torx
[23:33:49] <zeeshan|2> you strip the head before that happens :P
[23:33:56] <furrywolf> I've broken many.
[23:34:01] <zeeshan|2> wait
[23:34:04] <zeeshan|2> i did broke a torx 40.
[23:34:09] <zeeshan|2> when disassembling my transmission
[23:34:12] <zeeshan|2> but that was a socket
[23:34:14] <furrywolf> go to remove a rusted bolt, and something's going to give... if you're lucky, it's the rust. generally not. :P
[23:35:33] <zeeshan|2> damn rust :D
[23:36:10] <furrywolf> make sure they're all torx, and one of them isn't torx plus.
[23:36:14] <CaptHindsight> http://www.valmet.com/en/infocenter/media.nsf/WebWID/WTB-140207-2257B-2293B/$File/Paper_machine_VALMET.jpg it's as big as a ship!
[23:36:15] <furrywolf> I have one torx plus set. heh.
[23:36:41] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: what is that? a paper mill?
[23:36:47] <CaptHindsight> yes
[23:36:54] <furrywolf> what, they couldn't take a picture of something they actually built?
[23:37:06] <zeeshan|2> that is a pretty impressive cad model
[23:37:08] <zeeshan|2> to be honest
[23:37:42] <zeeshan|2> too bad the casters are molded
[23:37:43] <zeeshan|2> into the floor
[23:37:44] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:37:45] <zeeshan|2> hahahah
[23:37:52] <furrywolf> also, why is everything sunken 6" into the floor? :P
[23:37:55] <zeeshan|2> LOL
[23:38:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.metsopower.com/News/Newsdocuments.nsf/Attachments/HokuetsuPM9/$File/PM092008_Hokuetsu%20Paper_PM9__high.jpg?OpenElement
[23:38:21] <zeeshan|2> also
[23:38:24] <zeeshan|2> there is a windows screen
[23:38:30] <zeeshan|2> next to the "optiformer text"
[23:38:31] <zeeshan|2> to the left of it
[23:38:33] <zeeshan|2> wtf
[23:38:51] <CaptHindsight> actual photo ^^
[23:38:52] <zeeshan|2> that is gorgeous CaptHindsight
[23:39:21] <zeeshan|2> what a clean facility
[23:39:23] <zeeshan|2> gorgeous
[23:39:28] <CaptHindsight> they want to 3D print the rollers
[23:39:33] <zeeshan|2> why??????
[23:40:27] <CaptHindsight> to form certain surface characteristics on the outside of the rollers
[23:40:46] <furrywolf> clean? you see all the paper dust built up on the floor around it, and the hydraulic leaks at the front? :P
[23:41:11] <CaptHindsight> watermarks, friction, water removal etc
[23:41:16] <furrywolf> or maybe that's absorbant for the liquid, not paper dust...
[23:41:34] <CaptHindsight> 7m wide
[23:41:50] * furrywolf bets that machine wasn't cheap
[23:42:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.intechopen.com/source/html/16069/media/image1.png
[23:44:15] <CaptHindsight> http://www.knowpap.com/www_demo/english/paper_technology/paper_machine/1_lwc/lwc_paperikone_36013.gif look at how many rollers they have
[23:44:41] <furrywolf> if you want fun, look for a video of a large newspaper press in action. paper moves FAST. web breaks are fun.
[23:44:54] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: want some layout stuff?
[23:45:07] <roycroft> newspaper?
[23:45:13] <roycroft> do you mean like a paper website?
[23:45:21] <CaptHindsight> heh
[23:46:29] <furrywolf> nah, I suck at manual machining enough that layout isn't useful.
[23:46:30] <furrywolf> CNC! :P
[23:46:37] <zeeshan|2> i still laytout
[23:46:40] <CaptHindsight> I recall going through the Chicago Tribune plant right after they switched to digital typesetting
[23:46:41] <zeeshan|2> btw i got that job i postyed earlier
[23:46:48] <zeeshan|2> a couple parts im just gonna layout by hand
[23:46:51] <zeeshan|2> its faster
[23:48:39] <furrywolf> I need a vise, a rotary table, a 4-jaw chuck, a collet set,...
[23:48:55] <zeeshan|2> i need a collet set too! :P
[23:49:30] <furrywolf> I'm thinking of getting a chinese er25 set with a mt3 er25 chuck.
[23:53:46] <furrywolf> but, all that stuff costs money.
[23:53:54] <furrywolf> hopefully I can sell generators and turn them into money.