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[02:13:34] <Deejay> moin!
[06:01:10] <Zedodia> hi
[06:01:15] <Zedodia> hi all
[06:01:29] <Zedodia> the linuxcnc iso doesnt work
[06:01:42] <Zedodia> i get an error when installing
[06:02:46] <Zedodia> says it cant download the metalink and therefore the iso
[06:05:50] <jthornton> which one is it, the iso won't install or you can't download the iso?
[06:06:29] <Zedodia> well i downloaded the iso from the website
[06:06:48] <Zedodia> then used rufus to make a usb key
[06:06:50] <jthornton> from linuxcnc.org/download?
[06:06:58] <Zedodia> ive got a gigabyte brix
[06:07:02] <Zedodia> yeah
[06:07:23] <Zedodia> then opened the ubuntu .exe on the flash drive
[06:07:43] <Zedodia> went to instal within windsows
[06:09:10] <jthornton> none of that sounds correct to me, don't know what rufus is, there is no ubuntu.exe, and you can't install in windoze
[06:10:16] <Zedodia> hmmm... um
[06:10:37] <jthornton> there is instructions on the download page about using a usb
[06:11:44] <Zedodia> wubi.exe
[06:11:59] <Zedodia> sorry
[06:12:25] <jthornton> what is wubi.exe?
[06:12:50] <Zedodia> its on the iso
[06:13:09] <_methods> wubi is an ubunutu thing
[06:13:25] <_methods> lets people that don't know what they're doing setup dual boot systems
[06:13:50] <Zedodia> thats me
[06:13:52] <Zedodia> lol
[06:13:55] <Jymmmm> sounds like a furby
[06:14:00] <Zedodia> how do i get it to work
[06:14:14] <_methods> are you trying to do this dual boot?
[06:14:21] <_methods> or are you trying to do a full install
[06:14:24] <Zedodia> preferably yes
[06:14:30] <Zedodia> dual boot
[06:14:41] <Zedodia> im having drama booting to the usb key
[06:14:57] <Zedodia> i think the brix is the problem
[06:15:06] <_methods> well i recommend following the install directions where you burn the iso to the usb key
[06:15:08] <Zedodia> if done all the bios changes etc
[06:15:15] <Zedodia> i did
[06:15:15] <_methods> with either dd or that windows image writer
[06:15:24] <_methods> and it had wubi on it?
[06:15:36] <_methods> where did you get this image?
[06:15:36] <Zedodia> i believe so
[06:15:43] <Zedodia> linuxcnc.org
[06:15:56] <_methods> you downloaded the latest iso?
[06:16:05] <Zedodia> i no nothing of linux sorry
[06:16:10] <Zedodia> yeah last week
[06:16:12] <_methods> it's ok
[06:16:35] <Zedodia> i was an it tech 10 years ago
[06:16:52] <Zedodia> but i cant boot the damn brix to a usb key with linux lol
[06:17:03] <Zedodia> took me a while to get win7 going
[06:17:05] <_methods> you followed these instructions
[06:17:07] <_methods> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/52401
[06:17:47] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Hybrid_Iso
[06:18:30] <Zedodia> yeah man did that
[06:18:31] <_methods> personally i prefer dd but if you're not familiar with linux you'll probably want to use the winderrs option
[06:19:05] <Zedodia> it just doesnt work.. its liek the usb key is not bootable
[06:19:28] <Zedodia> im trying rufus again and then pendrive (ie programs)
[06:20:25] <Zedodia> when i seen wubi had install within windows option i though 'yes' lol
[06:20:46] <_methods> if you read the note in those instructions it says unetbootin and startup disk creator will not work with the hybrid iso
[06:20:52] <_methods> i'm assuming rufus will not either
[06:21:32] <_methods> that image is setup to be "burnt" to the usb drive not copied over by a "liveusb" creator
[06:21:58] <Zedodia> how od i do that
[06:22:00] <_methods> let me go check my last install usb to see if wubi is on there
[06:22:43] <Zedodia> so win32diskimager will 'burn' it?
[06:22:54] <Zedodia> maybe i have the wrong iso
[06:23:06] <XXCoder> always liked cdburnerxp
[06:23:19] <_methods> yes win32 will burn it
[06:23:22] <XXCoder> makes me think - whats good cd burner solution
[06:23:44] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: thermite
[06:23:55] <XXCoder> *for linux
[06:24:20] <Zedodia> ok i got cdburnerxp
[06:24:29] <Zedodia> ill try this rufus one atm
[06:24:36] <Zedodia> then ill try yours
[06:25:05] <SpeedEvil> I used mkisofs/cdrecord
[06:25:08] <SpeedEvil> but it's been a while
[06:25:26] <XXCoder> atm my new pc has no dvd drive but was wondering
[06:26:08] <Zedodia> http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91595.0
[06:26:16] <Zedodia> found this... wonder if it is the brix
[06:26:18] <Zedodia> not the iso
[06:26:24] <Zedodia> and my burning mothod
[06:26:26] <Zedodia> method
[06:26:42] <_methods> pls follow these instructions for win32
[06:26:43] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Hybrid_Iso
[06:27:00] <_methods> with win32 disk imager
[06:27:09] <Zedodia> yeah ive fully tried it that way
[06:27:36] <_methods> hmm well then i'm at a loss
[06:27:45] <Zedodia> yeah it so anoying
[06:27:53] <Zedodia> i cant use mach3 for what i want
[06:28:10] <_methods> well personally i'd load a live linux distro and use dd to write the image instead of using windwos
[06:28:24] <Zedodia> dd?
[06:29:00] <_methods> sorry gotta head to work
[06:29:18] <Zedodia> too easy
[06:29:19] <Zedodia> thanks
[06:29:33] <Zedodia> moment of truth
[06:29:38] <malcom2073> Zedodia: Win32diskimager said it was successful, but you're still unable to boot to the USB stick?
[06:29:55] <jthornton> burning the iso to a USB drive instructions are here
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Hybrid_Iso
[06:29:59] <malcom2073> There's nothing special about the brix as long as you've not enabled secure boot
[06:31:22] <Zedodia> yeah i turned secure boot off
[06:33:04] <Zedodia> yeah ive got no idea
[06:33:14] <Zedodia> ill try it again
[06:34:10] <Zedodia> the md5 is greyed out
[06:34:17] <Zedodia> md5hash
[06:34:23] <Zedodia> on win32diskimager
[06:35:27] <malcom2073> I think that's available after reading an image
[06:35:38] <Zedodia> ah ok
[06:35:46] <Zedodia> and it matches the on on the website
[06:35:56] <Zedodia> 67% :)
[06:36:32] <Zedodia> done
[06:37:06] <Zedodia> it doesnt even show in the bios now
[06:37:17] <Zedodia> after using win32diskimager
[06:37:27] <Zedodia> and i copunlt read it in windows
[06:37:30] <Zedodia> couldnt
[06:38:14] <Zedodia> im at a loss
[06:39:20] <malcom2073> Yeah me too
[06:39:34] <Zedodia> so win32diskimager didnt even work for me
[06:39:42] <Zedodia> thats balls
[06:45:51] <Zedodia> hmm
[06:47:59] <_methods> alright made it to work you get it worked out?
[06:49:08] <_methods> you won't be able to read the usb in windows it won't understand the file format
[06:54:12] <Zedodia> yeah well it doesn even read in the bios
[06:54:44] <Zedodia> im trying linus live usb creater
[06:55:34] <_methods> i'm pretty sure if you read the instructions again it explicitly states a live usb creator won't work on the hybrid image
[07:01:01] <Zedodia> oh ok
[07:01:17] <Zedodia> ill try anyways
[07:01:27] <Zedodia> so annoying
[07:01:34] <Zedodia> once upon a time things just worked
[07:02:19] <Zedodia> i really dont want to get a usb optical drive
[07:02:30] <Zedodia> probably wont work anyways being usb lol
[07:02:45] <_methods> well if you have an old computer with a dvd drive you could pull it out and temporarily attach it to your brix
[07:02:53] <_methods> assuming it has extra sata ports
[07:03:01] <Zedodia> i do.... anthough it doesnt
[07:03:13] <Zedodia> ive got a usb hdd
[07:03:26] <Zedodia> mayeb i could plug the optical into that
[07:03:40] <Zedodia> like the caddy
[07:04:09] <Zedodia> alot of effort
[07:04:10] <Zedodia> lol
[07:04:42] <Zedodia> if i got wubi to work would linux cnc install onto that?
[07:04:56] <_methods> i honestly have no idea
[07:05:05] <_methods> i just use dd
[07:05:24] <_methods> i try not to use windows
[07:06:21] <Zedodia> i mean will linuxcnc work with ubuntu 14.04.2?
[07:06:58] <_methods> oh umm i think linuxcnc will be in the repos
[07:07:20] <_methods> its a tad more complicated doing it that way possibly
[07:07:34] <_methods> you'll need to make sure you're using the RTAI stuff
[07:08:06] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC
[07:08:25] <Zedodia> i get a boot screen now
[07:08:35] <Zedodia> like a command promt
[07:08:38] <_methods> off the usb you just created?
[07:08:42] <Zedodia> yeah
[07:08:53] <Zedodia> shell>
[07:09:10] <_methods> hmm
[07:10:14] <Zedodia> yeah im lost hey
[07:10:32] <Zedodia> that was a fisrt though
[07:11:55] <_methods> so you modified the bios to boot from usb right?
[07:12:15] <Zedodia> yeah
[07:12:18] <_methods> kk
[07:12:22] <Zedodia> and turned off the hdd
[07:12:24] <Zedodia> in bios
[07:12:31] <Zedodia> so it would have to go to usb
[07:12:40] <_methods> yeah good
[07:13:20] <Zedodia> but that time i used linux live usb creater
[07:13:25] <Zedodia> so maybe thats why
[07:13:54] <Zedodia> i read a thing that maybe it depends on the usb stick
[07:14:01] <Zedodia> maybe i need to buy a newy
[07:15:08] <Zedodia> this is so annoying
[07:15:12] <Zedodia> mach3 is useless
[07:19:03] <Jymmmm> the razor?
[07:20:10] <Zedodia> x61500gt
[07:20:18] <Zedodia> its mad so far :)
[07:20:33] <Zedodia> but my style of programing requires while end
[07:20:39] <Zedodia> conditional looping
[07:20:49] <Zedodia> for geometric patterns
[07:20:56] <Rab> 100% agree, Sensor Excel was the last good one they made...I buy the cartridges on eBay.
[07:21:31] <_methods> that was a good razor
[07:22:01] <Zedodia> anyways, im gonna go yell and scream some more.
[07:22:02] <Zedodia> lol
[07:22:08] <Zedodia> peace
[07:22:29] <_methods> well the instructions will be there if you ever decide to use them
[07:22:41] <jthornton> lol
[07:23:03] <_methods> hehe
[07:24:56] <Tom_itx> yelling will fix it for sure
[07:27:37] <_methods> mach3 needs to keep their users to themselves
[07:32:47] <Tom_itx> they make good linuxcnc testers. they try everything else to make sure it doesn't work first
[07:34:42] <_methods> hahaha
[07:34:59] <_methods> well if you can't make a bootable usb you might want to reconsider your path
[07:35:07] <_methods> the instructions are pretty clear
[07:37:20] <jthornton> Tom_itx, that's a good one
[07:37:33] <_methods> wow this new firefox reader view is nice
[07:37:51] <_methods> gets rid of all the pics and bs
[07:37:56] <jthornton> does it work on wheezy?
[07:38:13] <_methods> no idea just got a firefox update
[07:38:16] <_methods> firefox38
[07:38:27] <Tom_itx> yeah they keep tellin me to update
[07:39:02] <jthornton> I saw it up in the shop on win7
[07:39:18] <jthornton> but don't see it here or on win xt
[07:39:58] <_methods> http://www.servethehome.com/supermicro-a1srm-ln7f-2758-review-awesome/
[07:40:43] <_methods> that will be my new router
[07:40:59] <Rab> I just installed 38.0.1 as prompted and it immediately started nagging me about 38.0.5. Now I go to the site and it says, Congrats! You're using the latest version of Firefox.
[07:41:14] <_methods> haha sounds like firefox
[07:42:27] <Rab> And it seems to have completely messed up NoScript.
[07:45:01] <jthornton> I guess on wheezy your stuck with ice sickle or the viking one
[07:45:54] <Rab> I don't think there's any difference with the Ice-branded stuff.
[07:47:24] <Rab> I have Slackware and Debian dual-booting with the same home partition and Iceweasel/Icedove using the same profile directories as Firefox/Thunderbird, and everything works great.
[07:47:44] <Rab> (Although I thought for sure it was gonna be a recipe for disaster.)
[07:53:53] <_methods> i don't understand this firefox pocket thing though
[07:54:10] <_methods> is that like "their" bookmark utility or something
[07:58:19] <_methods> https://activations.cdn.mozilla.net/en-US/pocket.html
[07:58:36] <_methods> it's their new sync'd bookmark app lol
[07:59:22] <_methods> couldn't you already sync firefox bookmarks?
[08:02:13] <_methods> usb to can adapter
[08:02:16] <_methods> http://protofusion.org/wordpress/2015/05/the-canable-a-small-usb-to-can-adapter/
[08:11:35] <Zedodia> OMG
[08:11:43] <Zedodia> problem solved
[08:13:49] <Zedodia> anyways thankyou anyone who offered advice
[08:19:48] <_methods> omg i solved nuclear fusion
[08:19:51] <_methods> later
[09:47:22] <ssi> hi
[09:48:24] <_methods> wud up
[09:51:30] <ssi> nothing interesting
[09:51:48] <_methods> my ups is acting up so lookin for a new one
[09:54:43] <_methods> think i'm going to get an apc this time
[09:54:57] <_methods> the old one was a cyberpower 1350 that never did work right with NUT
[10:50:00] <ssi> quiet in here today
[11:04:44] <JT-Shop> yea my bulkhead fitting and ball valve showed up... getting closer to sand blasting again
[11:09:13] <ssi> woo
[11:10:34] <JT-Shop> well it's a long story with me hating to sand blast so I tried a bunch of stuff then I had a problem with my powder coat
[11:11:13] <JT-Shop> that led me to a guy that fixed the root of my powder coat problems... crappy sand blaster
[11:12:58] <JT-Shop> made me use acid to clean my parts and being lazy I used a dirty towel to dry them off after the last rinse
[11:13:24] <archivist> a putting on rag :)
[11:14:28] <ssi> lol
[11:15:20] <_methods> post cleaning dirtying
[11:16:54] <JT-Shop> yep
[11:17:24] <JT-Shop> I also learned how to strip powder coat as well as other things from that adventure
[11:17:35] <_methods> that's not a fun thing to learn
[11:17:52] <_methods> life lesson
[11:18:22] <_methods> cheeseburger crackling
[11:18:39] <_methods> grease from french fries and burgers will do a number on your stuff too
[11:18:50] <_methods> don't ask me how i know that
[11:18:53] * JT-Shop gets a pistol to walk down to the mail box
[11:19:16] <cradek> rough neighborhood?
[11:19:41] <_methods> you live in baghdad lol
[11:19:58] <archivist> I thought he was in the middle of nowhere
[11:20:27] <cradek> it's very civilized at my place - the mailbox is on the house right next to the front door
[11:21:04] <archivist> in the UK 90+% are in the front door
[11:22:51] <cradek> yay for the first world
[11:24:11] <roycroft> well our extreme right wing congress wants to elminate the postal service completely
[11:24:15] <JT-Shop> dangerous dog lives across the street
[11:24:24] <roycroft> because they believe in the constitution
[11:24:35] <roycroft> and the postal service is the *only* government service stipulated in the constitution
[11:24:35] <cradek> roycroft: fortunately those morons are distracted by the gays now
[11:24:39] <JT-Shop> I'm not going to get bit, he will get lead if he gets close
[11:25:26] <cradek> roycroft: ... and who all gets to be in the clown car for their primaries :-)
[11:25:37] <roycroft> you know
[11:25:44] <roycroft> bernie sanders has a brilliant idea
[11:25:52] <cradek> only one?
[11:25:53] <roycroft> whether you like him or not, his idea is great
[11:25:59] <roycroft> he wants to mix up the debates
[11:26:03] <roycroft> he wants to start them right now
[11:26:16] <roycroft> and he wants both democrats and republicans to debate each other during the primary season
[11:26:22] <roycroft> instead of waiting until the general election
[11:26:31] <roycroft> that would solve the who gets to debate problem
[11:26:44] <cradek> that would be an interesting change
[11:26:45] <roycroft> everyone who is an official candidate would get to debate, and there would be a bunch of debates
[11:27:18] <cradek> the staged debates are more and more silly (scripted, restricted topics, canned questions)
[11:28:33] <CaptHindsight> staged elections, windows based voting machines, vote counting done over the net, it's election theater
[11:29:10] <zeeshan> 4-20mA analog output, 4-20mA analog input [12bit adc needed], 0-5V analog input [12 bit adc needed], 2x 24vdc output 200mA
[11:29:16] <zeeshan> can anyone recommend a board to achieve all this
[11:32:04] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: something like this?
http://www.omega.com/googlebase/product.html?pn=HE-XE102&gclid=CMDgwcT088UCFQUPaQodTnAAFw
[11:32:22] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i want something that can interface with either a computer
[11:32:29] <zeeshan> or bbb or rp2
[11:32:41] <ssi> god you're still going on about this
[11:33:13] <CaptHindsight> I wish someone would put all the IO's boards for the BBB and RPi in one place
[11:33:25] <zeeshan> lol
[11:33:27] <zeeshan> me too
[11:33:53] <cradek> zeeshan: very few options for analog input unfortunately
[11:33:54] <archivist> someone did put them in one place....google
[11:33:59] <cradek> zeeshan: I think motenc has it
[11:34:04] <CaptHindsight> the google
[11:35:14] <zeeshan> can i convert that 4-20mA signal to 0-5V without introducing error?
[11:35:50] <zeeshan> say a 300 ohm resistor
[11:36:00] <zeeshan> that's super accurate at 300 ohms
[11:36:16] <archivist> how accurate is the resistor, there is always some error
[11:36:18] <zeeshan> or maybe even 270 ohm
[11:36:27] <zeeshan> i think you can buy one from digikey that is .25%
[11:36:29] <ssi> archivist: +1 :D
[11:36:33] <archivist> calibrate out error terms
[11:37:37] <CaptHindsight> https://www.cooking-hacks.com/documentation/tutorials/4-20ma-sensor-board-shield-tutorial-for-arduino-raspberry-pi-intel-galileo
[11:37:53] <malcom2073> Buzz buzz BUZZWORDS!
[11:39:07] <zeeshan> 4 inputs hmm
[11:40:45] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: don't you now that buzzwords are good for you?
[11:40:54] <CaptHindsight> now/know
[11:41:10] <archivist> especially apple derived buzzzzzzwords
[11:43:56] <zeeshan> http://labjack.com/u6
[11:44:08] <zeeshan> im thinking this is becoming the only option that i found yesterday
[11:44:12] <zeeshan> that seems to do it all
[11:44:48] <zeeshan> it says 0-5V analog output
[11:45:04] <zeeshan> hopefully i can convert that to 4-20mA
[11:46:10] <CaptHindsight> http://labjack.com/u6#softwareTab
[11:47:13] * zeeshan likes linux support!
[11:48:35] <CaptHindsight> http://elinux.org/RPi_Expansion_Boards#ADC_DAC_Pi_-_12_bit_2_channel_ADC_and_DAC
[11:49:13] <CaptHindsight> here are all the IO boards for the RPi in one place
http://elinux.org/RPi_Expansion_Boards
[11:50:08] <CaptHindsight> notice they refer to them as IO boards and not as something stupid like shield, cape, serape etc
[11:50:17] <zeeshan> nice
[11:51:05] <CaptHindsight> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Capes
[11:51:25] <zeeshan> https://www.abelectronics.co.uk/products/17/Raspberry-Pi--Raspberry-Pi-2-Model-B/56/ADC-Pi-Plus---Raspberry-Pi-Analogue-to-Digital-converter
[11:51:37] <zeeshan> i think im gonna go w/ labjack
[11:51:41] <zeeshan> since its all in one package
[11:51:46] <zeeshan> support looks good too
[11:51:51] <zeeshan> 1000x amplification if needed
[11:52:11] <zeeshan> just a bit unsure how you'd control a 200mA 24vdc output with it
[11:52:37] <malcom2073> By definition making it all in one minus one?
[11:55:41] <CaptHindsight> does anyone make a small transponder that mimics a cellphone that is small enough to attach to cats?
[11:56:09] <_methods> the fbi?
[11:56:09] <JT-Shop> you want to blow up a cat?
[11:56:32] <malcom2073> mimics a cell phone... by being tablet sized?
[11:56:55] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: that sounds very sketchy
[11:56:55] * JT-Shop thinks he will read all about this after a nap
[11:56:57] <zeeshan> lol
[11:56:59] <CaptHindsight> with long batter life and continuously variable SIM and IMEI
[11:57:03] <zeeshan> lol jt
[12:00:05] <_methods> sounds like a good terrorist kickstarter project
[12:00:27] <CaptHindsight> anti-terrorist
[12:00:51] <malcom2073> anti-anti-terrorist
[12:01:09] <Rab> CaptHindsight, what's continuously variable SIM?
[12:02:12] <CaptHindsight> doesn't interfere with cell communications, just provides fake cell towers with fake info
[12:03:05] <_methods> or loitering secred fbi spy planes operating fake cell towers above your super villain lair
[12:07:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ap-fbi-using-low-flying-spy-planes-over-us/ the article made me think of it
[12:07:55] <_methods> flood them with fake phone sigs
[12:08:18] <CaptHindsight> I think SAM's are illegal
[12:08:21] <_methods> just like someone is flooding airports right now with fake chem weapon threats......
[12:09:24] <CaptHindsight> is there a story about that?
[12:09:35] <_methods> pretty sure it's all over thenews
[12:09:56] <_methods> there've been like 20+ false reports to airports
[12:10:04] <CaptHindsight> makes sense
[12:10:10] <_methods> i think someone just did one in boston?
[12:10:38] <_methods> probably not a good city to get all silly with right now
[12:11:13] <CaptHindsight> http://abcnews.go.com/ABCNews/exclusive-undercover-dhs-tests-find-widespread-security-failures/story?id=31434881
[12:11:41] <_methods> yeah oops
[12:11:44] <CaptHindsight> 95% were not detcted
[12:12:05] <_methods> crazy how hiring morons makes a system barely effective
[12:12:12] <_methods> it seems to work so well in congress
[12:12:28] <CaptHindsight> more theater
[12:12:40] <_methods> mst3k
[12:12:41] <_methods> lol
[12:12:50] <malcom2073> I carried a full exacto knife set through several airport checkpoints before I remembered it was in my bag and removed it
[12:12:51] <CaptHindsight> I feel like I'm living in an old sci-fi novel
[12:13:08] <malcom2073> The illusion is much more important to stripping us of our freedoms, than the actual implementation
[12:13:30] <CaptHindsight> I once had a mini 3-axis cnc in my carry on
[12:14:10] <CaptHindsight> they just wanted the controller in a tray for x-ray
[12:14:28] <_methods> yeah i've brought quite a few home brew electronics on flights i was pretty sure would get me a trip to the side of the scanners
[12:14:42] <_methods> but no one has ever said a word to me
[12:14:42] <Rab> Wonder if anybody's tried something like a mag drill, but with a milling head.
[12:15:50] <Rab> Could be good for applications with low side load. Portable plasma cutter for making arbitrary holes in steel structures.
[12:16:56] <Rab> Hell, a mag drill could probably shrug off moderate side loading.
[12:17:09] <jdh> You can make arbitrary holes by hand
[12:19:10] <Rab> I demand rigidly defined arbitrariness, though.
[12:20:07] <CaptHindsight> i wonder if they broke the story so that they will now ask for "newer and better" equipment
[12:22:43] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxA6QZjCJ60 my favorite clip on security
[12:25:15] <tjtr33> zeeshan, check the linux support software for labjack ( i got one but use it outside linuxcnc under 10.04 ) it'll always be non-rt afaik
[12:26:52] <tjtr33> https://github.com/labjack/LabJackPython and i use a u9
[12:29:51] <MrSunshine> ough, trying to find a commercialy usable 3d model of a dancing couple ... anyone know any ? it doesnt have to be free =)
[12:33:54] <CaptHindsight> http://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Index.cfm?keyword=dancing
[12:39:45] <tjtr33> no match for zombie couple :( , that'd be fun substitute
[12:46:30] <JT-Shop> when I build destroyers I would leave the magnet on while eating lunch... clean up people would try and move it to clean the chips...
[12:48:16] <_methods> heheh
[12:48:33] <norias> who here owns a commercial machine shop?
[12:48:35] <_methods> the industrial version of quarter super glued in front of door
[12:48:46] <CaptHindsight> is that like gluing a quarter to the sidewalk?
[12:48:48] <norias> with employees, i should ad.
[12:49:00] <norias> because i have a business idea to run past some folks
[12:49:22] <CaptHindsight> norias: some of us do
[12:49:37] <norias> i'm thinking of temping myself out
[12:49:44] <norias> i.e. i am a machinist
[12:49:51] <norias> and i have an llc with insurance, etc
[12:50:04] <_methods> a contractor
[12:50:10] <norias> so, the difference between what i'm proposing and normal temps is
[12:50:17] <norias> you get the same guy every time
[12:50:29] <norias> you get to know my skills and i know your system
[12:50:40] <norias> so there isn't risk of getting someone crappy from the staffing firm
[12:50:48] <norias> and doing the training every time
[12:51:16] <CaptHindsight> norias: do you come with work/projects as well? :)
[12:51:22] <norias> ha.
[12:51:31] <norias> potentially
[12:51:34] <norias> but, hell at that point
[12:51:41] <norias> i can just rent machine time and be done with it
[12:51:52] <norias> note that i don't want to own a machine shop
[12:52:06] <CaptHindsight> I was talking to use machine dealers, they usually sell used equipment to people with temp projects
[12:52:12] <CaptHindsight> use/used
[12:52:24] <norias> that's interesting
[12:52:28] <norias> i'll keep that in mind
[12:52:35] <CaptHindsight> ans sales are flat
[12:52:40] <norias> ahh, ok
[12:52:44] <norias> wonder why
[12:52:50] <norias> everyone is buying new right now?
[12:53:06] <CaptHindsight> they said that since oil slowed down so did the work
[12:53:14] <CaptHindsight> in the US anyway
[12:53:29] <norias> makes sense
[12:53:35] <norias> also, depends on region, i would think
[12:53:53] <CaptHindsight> the trick is finding the machining jobs/projects
[12:54:16] <CaptHindsight> if you have the job there are people and machines available
[12:54:32] <norias> my thought was, based on my experience
[12:54:46] <norias> if a rush job comes in, you have to pull one of your better people
[12:54:52] <norias> from whatever they were working on
[12:55:01] <norias> or if someone needs to take a vacation, etc
[12:55:01] <CaptHindsight> makes sense but there's just not enough work to go around
[12:55:07] <norias> it's doable, but a pain
[12:55:15] <norias> hmm. once again, maybe regional
[12:55:26] <norias> labor market for machinists is pretty strong here
[12:55:30] <norias> (Pittsburgh, PA)
[12:55:36] <_methods> yeah it should be doable i'd get my card out there and just say hey i'm a machinist contractor
[12:55:46] <norias> makes sense
[12:55:54] <_methods> you save them from hiring temp and having to pay workmans comp and stuff
[12:56:07] <CaptHindsight> gimmicks on kickstarter seem to be doing well, it's like infomercials of the 80's and 90's
[12:56:08] <norias> right. that was my thinking.
[12:56:09] <_methods> definitely would be worth a shot
[12:57:35] <CaptHindsight> come up with a security widget
[12:57:48] <norias> security widget?
[12:57:49] <CaptHindsight> get listed on the .gov sites
[12:57:56] <norias> ah, yeah
[12:58:07] <norias> i've thought about renting machine time
[12:58:20] <norias> and quoting some of the jobs on the DLA site
[12:58:30] <CaptHindsight> are shops busy near you?
[12:58:35] <norias> they seem to be
[12:58:42] <norias> hiring, still
[12:58:54] <CaptHindsight> cnc programmer
[12:58:54] <_methods> i doubt many shops will give up machine time
[12:59:02] <_methods> too risky
[12:59:17] <norias> i know a place that only rents machine time
[12:59:19] <norias> in my area
[12:59:28] <norias> well, they also have a training program
[12:59:28] <_methods> well that's nice
[12:59:37] <norias> yeah, super good deal, actually
[12:59:39] <_methods> yeah sounds like a school not a machine shop
[12:59:43] <CaptHindsight> maybe if he's bonded or has a $40K deposit on the machines he touches
[12:59:45] <norias> $10 / hr for manuals
[12:59:53] <norias> $25 / hr for CNC
[13:00:03] <norias> $30 / hr for EDM (i think)
[13:00:15] <CaptHindsight> what if you crash someones cnc they need the next day
[13:00:17] <norias> bring your own consumables
[13:00:22] <norias> well, that's the thing
[13:00:28] <norias> they don't need it the next day
[13:00:38] <norias> this is pretty much the scenario this place is for
[13:00:57] <norias> http://www.engineering.pitt.edu/mac/
[13:01:04] <CaptHindsight> you never know, one day you're idle the next you need to make 100 of something
[13:01:27] <norias> i'm saying, it's not an operating shop, really
[13:01:36] <norias> it's a place for machine shops to rent machine time if they need it
[13:01:41] <CaptHindsight> liability and risk
[13:01:58] <CaptHindsight> thats what management is going to be concerned about
[13:02:08] <CaptHindsight> how much trouble can you cause
[13:02:11] <norias> i hear what you're saying
[13:02:14] <_methods> yeah it's a school
[13:02:15] <norias> but i've also done it
[13:02:38] <norias> it's the chair of the industrial engineering department's pet project
[13:03:20] <CaptHindsight> the more comfortable they are with you them more likely they will work with you
[13:03:30] <norias> yeah
[13:03:42] <norias> the guy that runs it knows me by name
[13:03:46] <norias> we've done some stuff together
[13:04:02] <CaptHindsight> so you're a virtual machine shop
[13:04:13] <norias> i ... don't really want to be
[13:04:14] <CaptHindsight> or a machine work broker
[13:04:22] <norias> but i will if i need to in order to make ends meet
[13:04:55] <CaptHindsight> if you quote and get work then a shop might be interested to work with you
[13:05:11] <norias> i'd have to look at how that would work
[13:05:12] <CaptHindsight> and if it's lucrative enough
[13:05:16] <norias> with the govt. projects
[13:05:24] <norias> i was considering bidding on the set asides
[13:05:24] <_methods> yeah looks like a no brainer
[13:05:27] <_methods> free machine shop
[13:05:37] <CaptHindsight> come to shop with a job and materials
[13:05:37] <norias> for disabled veteran owned businesses
[13:06:07] <norias> the real business, in the long run, is more working on supply chain aspects
[13:06:14] <norias> and dfm for new product development
[13:06:24] <norias> but it's slow going on sales for that
[13:06:34] <CaptHindsight> if you can find the projects
[13:06:40] <norias> i do, just not enough
[13:06:51] <norias> it's growing, but slowly
[13:06:56] <CaptHindsight> that what I hear from everyone
[13:07:06] <CaptHindsight> it's been slow for years
[13:07:10] <norias> so, i'm thinking about what stuff i do in the near term
[13:07:13] <norias> to pay bills
[13:07:32] <norias> past 2-3 years around here have been pretty busy
[13:07:58] <Tom_itx> where's around here?
[13:08:19] <CaptHindsight> Pittsburgh?
[13:09:46] <norias> yeah Pittsburgh
[13:11:53] <CaptHindsight> try that and other ideas, don't put all your eggs in one basket
[13:13:41] <_methods> hell you have an open machine shop you've got the hard part done for you
[13:13:41] <norias> right on
[13:13:47] <_methods> now all you gotta do is knock on doors
[13:13:50] <norias> hah
[13:14:03] <norias> well, point is, don't really want to be a machine shop
[13:14:14] <norias> will do it, short term, if i have to
[13:14:23] <norias> i'm just trying to fill unpaid hours in my day
[13:14:33] <_methods> well i'd rather be making parts for myself than for someone else
[13:18:46] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1866162613/the-lil-truckertm?ref=category
[13:20:14] <norias> omg
[13:20:20] <CaptHindsight> hipster bottle opener, multi-tool, tiger repellent, wooden enclosure anything etc etc
[13:20:25] <norias> i signed up for a company account at Hertz
[13:20:30] <norias> the rates are WAY lower
[13:24:39] <CaptHindsight> Bill Nye figured out how to cash in
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/theplanetarysociety/lightsail-a-revolutionary-solar-sailing-spacecraft?ref=category_featured
[13:25:04] <norias> heh
[13:25:09] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: They already launched, and already lost contact I thought?
[13:25:42] <malcom2073> Hmm, must've been another Bill Nye space project, that one isn't until 2016
[13:26:29] <malcom2073> Ah nope it was, and it's back online
[13:27:38] <_methods> i need to go back and rewatch a bunch of james bond movies for kickstarter ideas
[13:27:47] <_methods> i couldmake millions
[13:27:55] <malcom2073> Do it
[13:28:05] <_methods> the mouth breather
[13:28:10] <_methods> lol
[13:28:16] <_methods> oral scuba tanks
[13:28:20] <malcom2073> Laser the shit out of your nemsis's junk
[13:28:24] <_methods> little scuba buddy
[13:28:47] <CaptHindsight> shoe phone, no wait that's Maxwell Smart
[13:28:50] <_methods> swim about in your hipster buddies shitty craft brew tank
[13:29:04] <CaptHindsight> pants that brew beer
[13:29:06] <_methods> explosive skinny jeans
[13:29:23] <CaptHindsight> a bra that ages wine
[13:29:24] <malcom2073> Some company made retractable tire traction spikes
[13:29:57] <CaptHindsight> wooden anything, send us your design and we make it out of wood!
[13:30:56] <CaptHindsight> clothing made from landfill waste
[13:33:31] <CaptHindsight> RFID clothing with all your personal data printed on the outside
[13:33:49] <norias> i like that last one
[13:34:03] <norias> it should include passwords for bank accounts and emails
[13:34:41] <CaptHindsight> wearing it allows you to be in the fast lane everywhere, banks, airports, shopping malls
[13:35:02] <norias> yeah, totally
[13:35:14] <norias> print your passport data on there too
[13:35:23] <norias> so you can get fast tracked at customs
[13:37:04] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-loBxmnbl0 Gattaca finger scanner
[13:44:27] <_methods> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/582920317/hidrateme-smart-water-bottle
[13:44:37] <_methods> the ultimate kickstarter
[13:44:44] <_methods> it's a water bottle
[13:45:03] <_methods> $80k for a water bottle
[13:46:02] <CaptHindsight> made of wood?
[13:46:04] <ssi> lol
[13:46:13] <_methods> it has an app too
[13:46:24] <_methods> i swear to god some days i'm in that movie idiocracy
[13:46:40] <_methods> i keep waiting for the drilldo to drive by my window
[13:46:52] <ssi> UPGRAYEDD
[13:46:53] <Rab> This dude is for certain gonna die of thirst unless his water bottle glows to remind him.
https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/897/699/d9af722dd429b8444c7a255a8ba36dc9_original.jpg?v=1433138616&w=680&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=39e88f36356bc44934c3db147d1a9fec
[13:46:59] <CaptHindsight> it's a living nightmare for me
[13:47:00] <_methods> as i sip my brawndo from my hidrate
[13:47:38] <_methods> We quit our jobs and left everything behind to work on a product that we believed in. The program is a 3 month-long intensive on-site experience in Kansas City, MO in which 10 mobile-health companies selected from around the world receive funding and mentorship to accelerate their businesses.
[13:47:49] <CaptHindsight> that's why I used to like to travel to out of the way places not yet corrupted
[13:47:56] <Rab> Also this dude, staring pensively at the wall.
https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/897/906/b41638444c77ce37bf60e9cc8a2facc2_original.jpg?v=1433143518&w=680&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=f51b1f8e1e7dfb04dfc08a7bb90e55b7
[13:48:55] <_methods> should we really be trying to keep people alive that can't tell when it's time do drink something?
[13:49:04] <CaptHindsight> the next step might be, remind to eat, excrete, sleep
[13:49:35] <CaptHindsight> cause of death: forgot to drink
[13:49:42] <_methods> lol
[13:49:56] <_methods> i'm here to ask the important questions lol
[13:50:41] <CaptHindsight> tag everything and have your phone remind you...
[13:51:06] <CaptHindsight> put on clean underwear today, eat, bathroom break at 11am
[13:52:30] <CaptHindsight> "Tell what to do!" an app that tells you everything
[13:52:37] <_methods> heheh
[13:52:55] <CaptHindsight> no more having to decide what to do next
[13:52:56] <_methods> hey app what should i do with my ex wife's body
[13:53:15] <CaptHindsight> call it "Seriously"
[13:53:33] <CaptHindsight> "Seriously" what should I do today?
[13:53:42] <_methods> hehe
[13:53:49] <CaptHindsight> should I buy this?
[13:54:46] <CaptHindsight> "you have extra income available, proceed to shopping mall for more pants"
[13:55:18] <_methods> 'batin
[13:56:37] <_methods> i really gotta stop lookin at this kickstarter stuff
[13:56:55] <CaptHindsight> competition already
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/905031711/trago-the-worlds-first-smart-water-bottle?ref=category_recommended
[13:57:01] <_methods> it's like that 3d printer junk website
[13:57:03] <SpeedEvil> wifi drillbit - integral wifi to let you know the temperature.
[13:57:09] <_methods> buwhahahaha
[13:57:12] <ssi> hah
[13:57:18] <norias> so
[13:57:20] <norias> apparently
[13:57:24] <norias> an aviary has birds
[13:57:28] <norias> but an apiary
[13:57:30] <ssi> BEEZ
[13:57:31] <norias> doesn't have primates
[13:57:32] <_methods> omg water bottle fight
[13:57:38] <norias> bullshit
[13:57:53] <_methods> they only made $16k
[13:58:02] <_methods> the other guys made $80k
[13:58:16] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/38513516/wond-the-string-exciter-sustain-and-control-in-you?ref=category_location no need to pluck and strum ever again
[13:59:03] <_methods> trago is team hydration
[13:59:12] <Rab> Haha, ultrasonic depth measurement.
[13:59:21] <CaptHindsight> going at it alone is preposterous
[13:59:21] <_methods> you can urinate in your friends mouth in emergencies if the team gets out of sync
[13:59:40] <Rab> Your dog will fly into a rage and destroy it.
[13:59:48] <_methods> trago team
[14:00:08] <CaptHindsight> ultrasonic bladder level indicator
[14:00:50] <CaptHindsight> tells you when to go before you know you need to go
[14:01:08] <_methods> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/747044530/miito-the-sustainable-alternative-to-the-electric
[14:01:12] <_methods> wifi hot plate
[14:01:16] <CaptHindsight> "am I really hungry?"
[14:01:20] <_methods> $600k
[14:01:55] <CaptHindsight> heats water anywhere there's power!
[14:03:25] <CaptHindsight> no more having to deal with the dangers of an open flame or grandmas hot plate
[14:04:21] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mancanbeer/mancan-put-a-brewery-in-your-fridge-not-a-growler?ref=category_popular
[14:04:55] <Rab> ManCan huh
[14:05:04] <_methods> lol
[14:05:17] <CaptHindsight> I want to brew beer on me while I work
[14:06:00] <roycroft> get a job at a brewery
[14:06:09] <CaptHindsight> I don't want to walk to the fridge
[14:06:20] <Rab> CaptHindsight, active beer helmet?
[14:06:43] <_methods> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hearnotes/hearnotes-premium-wirefree-earbuds-the-universal-e
[14:06:47] <_methods> what is this magic
[14:06:55] <_methods> wire free headphonz
[14:07:15] <_methods> i must be in the future
[14:07:21] <Rab> How about something that implants under your skin, leveraging your natural metabolic processes for sugar fermentation? "BeerBelli"
[14:07:24] <CaptHindsight> bluetooth door lock
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1227497591/noki-the-smart-doorlock-for-europe?ref=category
[14:07:41] <_methods> $120k for bluetooth headphonz
[14:08:19] <CaptHindsight> "Change the way you hear the world"
[14:08:59] <_methods> noki lol
[14:09:52] <CaptHindsight> smart garbage can
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/brunosmartcan/trash-can-vacuum-bruno-the-worlds-first-smartcan?ref=category
[14:10:21] <CaptHindsight> "Seriously, should I throw this out?" ....
[14:10:24] <_methods> discovery channel
[14:10:27] <_methods> it must be legit
[14:10:37] <CaptHindsight> "yes, you have too many"
[14:11:13] <CaptHindsight> "Seriously, what should I do today?" .... "Buy more pants"
[14:11:18] <Rab> Comes in "Urban Red"
[14:15:28] <CaptHindsight> looks like you need a copy of Blender, Rhino or similar and some nerve
[14:16:47] <CaptHindsight> create photo-realistic models, tell people that they need it, collect funds
[14:18:08] <CaptHindsight> I think kickstarter went to "must have proto first" but they don't examine the proto
[14:18:28] <_methods> here is my prototype water bottle
[14:18:59] <CaptHindsight> so Blender + physical model
[14:19:53] <CaptHindsight> I'm going to post a wooden bucket with extra features as add-ons
[14:20:04] <CaptHindsight> bluetooth, gps etc
[14:20:47] <CaptHindsight> arduino and android compatible
[14:21:17] <CaptHindsight> reminds you what to put into it and when to take it out
[14:22:09] <_methods> smart bucket
[14:22:17] <CaptHindsight> sshhh
[14:22:21] <_methods> heheh
[14:23:35] <CaptHindsight> also white t-shirts with "color change" to let you know when it's dirty and when to change it
[14:23:56] <CaptHindsight> "color change technology" the smart-T
[14:24:18] <_methods> the laundry industry might be interested in this tech
[14:24:26] <ssi> "patented sweat'n'sniff technology, lets your nose know when it's time to change your shirt"
[14:25:12] <CaptHindsight> beer mug that tells you when it's empty
[14:26:00] <CaptHindsight> "Seriously, Is my mug empty?" ... "Yes, it's time for a refill"
[14:28:39] <CaptHindsight> back to the lab, remember it's 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration
[14:29:38] <CaptHindsight> and the smart-T tells you when you've perspired too much
[14:47:19] <fogl> hello, I am running hal with halrun -I halfile.hal. Now i would like to somehow load another script/list_of_hal_commands into the same hal, but whatever i try system suggests to kill the current hal with -U. How can u load command to existing hal.
[14:53:46] <fogl> ...i found it, haltcl :)
[15:02:47] <fogl> strange, but i can not use the haltcl script with "unload". It reports "invoked from within" error.
[15:16:55] <MrSunshine> http://www.123dapp.com/123C-3D-Model/Couple-Dancing/1189116 <-- anyone knwo if its possible to buy those models for commercial use? =)
[15:20:49] <MrSunshine> need to find something to what we call .. translated something like "dance band week" here .. its 30 years anevercity and i want to create something that might be able to sell for it =)
[15:24:38] <Crom> one more week and then the show is up and I can have some free time again
[15:25:11] <Crom> shakespeareinthevines.org Julius Caesar
[15:26:02] <Crom> just got a new DMX light board $65 and added a wireless DMX board to it and took out the midi connector
[15:26:33] <Crom> added the other dmx wireless board to a 4 channel dimmer pack for a receiver
[15:29:58] <akfreak> To set up a machine to be controled by Linux, what kind of control board do you reccomend
[15:31:15] <ssi> that's a pretty broad question
[15:31:20] <ssi> want to tell us a bit about the machine?
[15:42:04] <akfreak> I am building a machine for a friend, its a OX with a tinyG control board. For mine i was thinking of doing Linux. I want to build my own, like a 40x60 with ball screws vs gt3 belts and pulleys. So i was curious what kind of control board i shoukd be looking at for a 4 axis machine
[15:43:04] <JT-Shop> is this a reprap machine?
[15:43:16] * JT-Shop loves his new sand blaster gun
[15:43:44] <Crom> 40cm or 40"?
[15:45:50] <CaptHindsight> akfreak: what type and size motors? how many?
[15:46:59] <akfreak> No its a cnc milling machine
[15:47:28] <CaptHindsight> akfreak: the more you can say about the motors and sensors the better
[15:48:00] <CaptHindsight> what type and size spindle?
[15:48:21] <CaptHindsight> what types of encoders? if servo
[15:48:47] <akfreak> 4 to 5 motors 2 on the y one on the x, z, a maybe nema23 or bigger
[15:49:10] <CaptHindsight> steppers?
[15:49:27] <akfreak> Yes steppes
[15:49:36] <akfreak> Steppers
[15:50:13] <akfreak> The spindle, maybe 1500 to 2000watts
[15:51:00] <akfreak> Didnt want to use relays, looking to use a control board
[15:51:01] <CaptHindsight> Mesa 6i25 and 7i76
[15:51:16] <Rab> akfreak, if you want to use LinuxCNC, you'll be controlling with a PC rather than a standalone board like TinyG. So you'll need a PC for LinuxCNC, power electronics for driving the steppers, and an interface between the two.
[15:51:51] <akfreak> Ok
[15:51:51] <CaptHindsight> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=83_85&product_id=301
[15:52:28] <CaptHindsight> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=83_87&product_id=119
[15:52:50] <akfreak> Thx for the links... reading now..
[15:53:43] <Rab> akfreak, if you have a PC with a parallel port, you can use a cheap breakout board like this to control the stepper drivers:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251728061990
[15:54:37] <Rab> The Mesa products provide better performance and don't require a parallel port, but they're expensive for hobby use.
[15:55:51] <Rab> (Albeit a serious bargain compared to most commercial CNC controls.)
[15:58:06] <Rab> There are cheap chinese drivers, too, but I think you're better off paying for name-brand power electronics.
[15:58:19] <zeeshan> 220$ isnt expensive
[15:58:22] <zeeshan> =P
[15:58:31] <XXCoder> zeeshan: to you
[15:58:40] <zeeshan> y7ou can spend 150 on garbage
[15:58:46] <zeeshan> and it'll still be garbage
[15:58:58] <Rab> zeeshan, that's one component of many. Pay $220 for enough things and your hobby is more expensive than your car.
[15:59:25] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: tsk tsk, do you need to hear the lecture again on overbuilding and how anyone over $99 is too expensive
[15:59:35] <CaptHindsight> anyone/anything
[15:59:44] <XXCoder> anyone oooooooh
[15:59:59] <zeeshan> considering yuoud need to spend say 350-400 on equivalent cnc4pc products
[16:00:04] <zeeshan> to get a 7i77+6i25
[16:00:12] <CaptHindsight> Rule 1, Can it be made from wood?
[16:00:14] <zeeshan> its a pretty good bargain :P
[16:01:03] <CaptHindsight> Rule 2, Can it be made from threaded rod and hot melt?
[16:01:18] <zeeshan> lol
[16:01:34] <XXCoder> cnc rule 34 :P
[16:02:27] <XXCoder> wow there is no cnc rule 34
[16:02:30] <malcom2073> If it exists, there is a cnc machine made out of it
[16:02:39] <Rab> savagely my tool crashed into the rough contours
[16:02:41] <CaptHindsight> If 1 and 2 are both no, Then do it anyway and call anyone that calls it for what it is a "hater".
[16:03:03] <zeeshan> if 220 is too much
[16:03:07] <zeeshan> shouldnt be in a cnc hobby
[16:03:07] <zeeshan> ;p
[16:03:31] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: welding is hot-melt too
[16:04:06] <Rab> zeeshan, I'm guessing that at this point your CNC setup has cost more than your car.
[16:04:12] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: maybe to you, but not to glue gun fanatics
[16:04:18] <zeeshan> rab are you silly
[16:04:35] <malcom2073> My cnc setup costs more than *my* car :P
[16:04:35] <zeeshan> my cnc mill has cost me 2800 bux including the machine.
[16:04:46] <zeeshan> my race car is valued at 38000
[16:04:52] <zeeshan> how is that even close
[16:04:55] <XXCoder> 2800 is twice my car cost
[16:05:01] <Rab> Lol I think you've spent $2800 on tooling from Kajiji.
[16:05:13] <zeeshan> what does tooling have to do with a controller
[16:05:21] <zeeshan> youll be spending that regardless
[16:05:21] <XXCoder> congats on winning cnc cost epeen game
[16:05:32] <zeeshan> no ones having a game here
[16:05:34] <zeeshan> im stating facts
[16:06:23] <zeeshan> my stepper converted cnc lathe cost 1500 bux for stepper, controller, ball screws, vfd
[16:06:27] <zeeshan> and that isn't even using a mesa..
[16:06:29] <zeeshan> (big mistake)
[16:06:44] <zeeshan> i had the retarded logic of buying something cheap
[16:06:54] <zeeshan> it's like building a house on a shitty foundation
[16:06:57] <XXCoder> zeeshan: problem is you usually think your scale of machine is same as everyone else
[16:06:59] <zeeshan> that's exactly what idid wit hthe cnc lathe
[16:07:00] <XXCoder> really it isnt
[16:07:11] <XXCoder> mine is much smaller
[16:07:22] <XXCoder> so $200 for something would cost 1/5 my machine
[16:07:32] <XXCoder> so it wouldnt be cheapo
[16:08:05] <CaptHindsight> IMHO you should buy whatever makes you happy, even if it's for a few fleeting moments
[16:08:16] <zeeshan> tell me a controller that can do hardware analog, control relays, read encoders, all in one convienient package?
[16:08:22] <zeeshan> and have like 30 gpio
[16:08:33] <XXCoder> different needs
[16:08:34] <zeeshan> and not pansy gpio, real gpio that can ahndle 5-24v easily
[16:08:54] <zeeshan> that you'd use on your "tiny machine"
[16:09:02] <zeeshan> my machine is "tiny" too
[16:09:23] <zeeshan> the main difference between sizes of machines is sizes of motor drives
[16:09:24] <zeeshan> that's it
[16:09:33] <zeeshan> the control is the same.
[16:09:47] <CaptHindsight> can we argue over something else?
[16:10:24] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: lets fight
[16:10:50] <XXCoder> zeeshan: I dont know why you dont accept something different. for example if you advised me to get racing wheels for my van
[16:10:54] <CaptHindsight> or zeehan has chosen the new topic: fight vs argument
[16:11:05] <XXCoder> I would say wtf because my $1000 van dont need $500 per wheel probably wheels
[16:11:22] <XXCoder> why? my van has different needs from racing car
[16:11:47] <XXCoder> anyway laters all
[16:12:06] <malcom2073> I'd argue that you're driving your van wrong if it has different needs from a racing car.
[16:12:11] <malcom2073> :P
[16:12:27] <zeeshan> XXCoder: run a cheap control system on your machine, i don't care! :P
[16:12:47] <zeeshan> i just advise otherwise
[16:12:51] <zeeshan> difference of opinion
[16:12:51] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: did moving the drives to the same two power legs do the trick on your mill or was there other magic involved?
[16:12:53] <zeeshan> i've done both.
[16:13:02] <zeeshan> same leg worked
[16:13:10] <zeeshan> its been working flawlessly
[16:13:14] <zeeshan> thats why you dont hear about it :p
[16:13:22] <CaptHindsight> what's the name of that vendor to avoid?
[16:13:33] <zeeshan> advanced motion products
[16:13:37] <CaptHindsight> advanced ah
[16:13:38] <zeeshan> er
[16:13:47] <zeeshan> advanced motion controls
[16:13:48] <zeeshan> i mean
[16:14:00] <CaptHindsight> they were at a recent automation show
[16:14:19] <zeeshan> did you ask them why they are retarded
[16:14:24] <zeeshan> and scratch all their chip names off
[16:14:33] <Crom> yeah don't use 6560 drivers
[16:14:40] <zeeshan> crom no.
[16:14:41] <CaptHindsight> "ah you're the guys that sand the part numbers off the boards"
[16:14:42] <zeeshan> you should
[16:14:48] <zeeshan> they are cheap, and your machine is small!
[16:14:50] <Crom> tb6600 much better
[16:15:16] <malcom2073> Crom: is that the omc-stepper $150 one?
[16:15:20] <Crom> I know they are twice the price, but they handle up to 45v
[16:15:28] <Crom> $26 on ebay
[16:15:37] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: I had a short discussion about your problem before they encouraged me to keep moving
[16:15:42] <malcom2073> or rather $40 4 axis heh
[16:15:51] <zeeshan> malcom2073: lol
[16:15:52] <malcom2073> I was eying this up:
http://www.omc-stepperonline.com/4-axis-tb6560-cnc-stepper-motor-driver-controller-board-p-199.html
[16:15:54] <malcom2073> Bad idea eh?
[16:15:55] <zeeshan> er
[16:15:57] <zeeshan> lol
[16:16:10] <malcom2073> I've got a couple of the 6600's, they seem to work fairly well
[16:16:35] <Crom> not great
[16:17:30] <Crom> I'm saving up my money to replace my yoocnc 6560 3axis board with a tb6600 drivers and a parallel BOB
[16:17:32] <CaptHindsight> https://medium.com/@eyadnour/meet-the-egyptian-technician-who-is-currently-ranked-at-1-for-google-and-he-doesn-t-even-know-6cf1040efeab
[16:18:13] <Rab> That guy needs to monetyze
[16:19:06] <zeeshan> i wish i didnt go with a garbage control for my cnc lathe :(
[16:19:17] <zeeshan> or steppers
[16:19:24] <zeeshan> i still ocassionally get a step loss
[16:19:40] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Slow your roll :P
[16:19:49] <zeeshan> im dieing to sell it
[16:19:52] <zeeshan> and get a retrofit lathe
[16:21:17] <Crom> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Single-Axis-TB6600-4-5A-Two-Phase-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Controller-Board/321424073316?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D31356%26meid%3D42f51d21ecf5493c9b95c2211d174216%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D261803509401
[16:21:29] <Crom> oops $14 not $26
[16:21:34] <malcom2073> Crom: That's the ones I got
[16:21:52] <Crom> I have 1 so far, need another 3
[16:22:06] <Crom> I like it since it has the plugs
[16:22:11] <Crom> aswell
[16:22:18] <Rab> Those work OK? I didn't think they were very reliable.
[16:22:22] <malcom2073> That is an added bonus, I think mine have just normal screw terminals
[16:22:52] <Crom> it seems more reliable than the 6560's I have
[16:26:00] * zeeshan is thinking of building a cnc plasma cutter
[16:26:09] <zeeshan> what controller do you recommend
[16:26:11] * furrywolf has thought of that too
[16:26:20] <zeeshan> itll be so much quicker to cut flanges
[16:26:24] <zeeshan> a cut a lot of them lately
[16:28:47] <furrywolf> my plan is to build it cheap-n-sloppy... just use generic angle iron for all the rails, and aircraft cable on drums to move it around.
[16:29:00] <zeeshan> yea it doesnt need to be super accurate
[16:29:13] <zeeshan> i just want 0.015~ tolerance
[16:29:15] <zeeshan> thats more than plenty
[16:29:23] <zeeshan> "
[16:29:25] <furrywolf> when you're talking a tool that, on thick plate, might have a 1/4" kerf (or worse), you don't need to position in thousandths. :)
[16:29:56] <zeeshan> id use it to cut sheet too
[16:30:07] <zeeshan> so it'd be nice if it could hold at least 15 tho
[16:30:25] <zeeshan> it'd be nice if you didnt need thc
[16:30:35] <zeeshan> im was thinking of a spring loaded mechnism..
[16:30:52] <furrywolf> no one except renesis things you need thc.
[16:30:54] <furrywolf> thinks
[16:30:59] <zeeshan> lol
[16:31:38] <Crom> rectangle tube with #10 chain (12+speed bike chain) with 608zz bearings is great for a plasma cutter
[16:31:39] <zeeshan> the thing that'll make it challenging is
[16:31:43] <zeeshan> i want to make all foldable..
[16:32:01] <zeeshan> kinda like a table tennis table
[16:32:29] <furrywolf> meh, if you want to use bike chain, use bmx. :P
[16:33:16] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa9WuGWOUDY
[16:33:17] <zeeshan> hmm
[16:33:26] <zeeshan> interesting. he's got feedback based on voltage
[16:33:34] <zeeshan> to maintain optimum height.
[16:35:04] <furrywolf> works great until you cut over your old cut or too near the edge, and crash the tip.
[16:36:15] <zeeshan> i think i can do without :p
[16:36:40] <zeeshan> it'd be nice for piercing though
[16:37:08] <englishman> hola amigos, is there currently any recommended pc hardware i.e. mini itx atoms
[16:39:28] <Crom> Amigo, I run a 2 Micro-box.com atom ITX's with linuxcnc w/ a 20x2 lcd display
[16:39:28] <furrywolf> a little bit of analog and you could probably feed it to a mesa board...
[16:40:29] <englishman> no monitor, just a little character lcd? neat
[16:41:02] <Crom> I have a monitor hooked up to it.. I use the LCD for a DRO
[16:41:17] <englishman> micro-box.com looks like they sell cellphone unlockers tho...
[16:41:50] <englishman> mini-box maybe :)
[16:42:36] <englishman> what's a DRO?
[16:42:53] <Crom> sotrry mini-box.com
[16:43:09] <Crom> Digital Read Out X Y Z corrdinates
[16:43:26] <englishman> ah k
[16:44:04] <englishman> il pick up an atom mini itx then
[16:44:25] <Crom> running a 2.5" sata 680GB drive and a extra 2 parallel ports in the pci slot
[16:44:47] <furrywolf> I guess today's project is to build a stand for my posthole auger... still not quite sure how I'm doing it yet, but it'd make transporting it a whole lot easier.
[16:44:51] <englishman> what's all the space used for? i was thinking a mSATA drive like 64gb
[16:46:22] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: quadcopter
[16:46:38] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: transporting it a lot easier?
[16:47:00] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: do you mean a wheeled base of some form?
[16:47:57] <furrywolf> it has an X-shaped handle, for two people to hold, on opposite sides. it also has a gearbox and drive, sticking out in the middle. if you set it down in a truck, every time you start, stop, turn, etc, it flops to one of the other ways it can sit. just going to make a little wood thing to hold it level.
[16:48:18] <SpeedEvil> ah
[16:50:51] <zeeshan> man
[16:50:59] <zeeshan> i love the gimli glider mayday episode!
[16:51:04] <zeeshan> everyone watch it
[16:51:30] <furrywolf> http://d3is8fue1tbsks.cloudfront.net/906659/1.jpg it sits like that... or three other ways. and really likes switching between them.
[16:52:04] * furrywolf is familiar with the gimli glider, but has not watched tv about it
[16:52:26] <zeeshan> dude its sick.
[16:52:32] <furrywolf> my plan is an X to match the handles, with some U-topped blocks to cradle the handles.
[16:52:34] <zeeshan> most pilots are like car drivers
[16:52:43] <zeeshan> just driving like sheep
[16:52:52] <zeeshan> but ocassionally you get bad asses flying the planes
[16:53:01] <zeeshan> like robert pearson an experienced glider pilot (who did it for fun)
[16:53:10] <Crom> furrywolf, cut down a hand truck and add some front legs
[16:53:45] <zeeshan> or another bad ass like chesley b sullenberger
[16:54:20] <furrywolf> best solution: don't use your jet as a glider. :P
[16:54:36] <furrywolf> that was an entirely preventable incident
[16:54:38] <SpeedEvil> Jets are quite decent gliders
[16:54:46] <SpeedEvil> - compared to GA
[16:55:05] <zeeshan> try gliding a 767
[16:55:06] <zeeshan> lol
[16:55:07] <Crom> furrywolf, just like the one I rented this weekend
[16:55:25] <furrywolf> Crom: the posthold auger, or a metric jet? :P
[16:55:28] <furrywolf> posthole
[16:55:36] <Crom> make pretty good gliders, crap in the thermals thou
[16:55:47] <Crom> posthold auger
[16:55:58] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is-HVxmUELQ - on calibrating 3d printers
[16:56:50] <furrywolf> I got mine from the local scrapyard... haven't actually made any postholes yet, but after minor repairs, it seems to work well.
[16:57:53] <Crom> the rental yards holders are little square talbe frames without tops..
[16:58:20] <zeeshan> furrywolf: what kind of scrap yards do you go to?
[16:58:24] <zeeshan> what should i search for
[16:58:30] <furrywolf> zeeshan: the local one. lol
[16:58:41] <zeeshan> scrapyards here are cars absed
[16:58:43] <zeeshan> *based
[16:58:55] <furrywolf> that's a junkyard, not a scrapyard.
[16:59:01] <zeeshan> hm
[16:59:02] <zeeshan> ;p
[16:59:36] <furrywolf> there's a junkyard here that only does cars... the scrapyard doesn't do cars.
[17:01:05] <furrywolf> ones in big areas are a lot more fun... there's not much getting scrapped here.
[17:02:57] <zeeshan> what do i search for
[17:02:59] <zeeshan> "scrapyard?"
[17:03:18] <furrywolf> dunno
[17:03:24] <furrywolf> scrap metal
[17:03:30] <zeeshan> most metal ones
[17:03:37] <zeeshan> are like mountains of metal.
[17:03:48] <zeeshan> like mountains oif dishwashers
[17:03:48] <zeeshan> lol
[17:03:54] <zeeshan> and mountains of wheels..
[17:04:01] <zeeshan> im not sure how youd go around finding thingst here
[17:04:06] <malcom2073> Heh, local scrap yards around here don't allow scavenging
[17:04:11] <malcom2073> Input only, no output
[17:04:20] <zeeshan> yea
[17:04:33] <furrywolf> what's the fun of that?
[17:04:39] <malcom2073> That's what I told them
[17:08:11] <furrywolf> http://arcatascrapandsalvage.com/ is the local place here
[17:08:20] <zeeshan> ah
[17:08:22] <zeeshan> "Salvage"
[17:08:24] <zeeshan> is the other keyword
[17:08:37] <furrywolf> not the world's most complicated website. :)
[17:15:26] <furrywolf> grrrr. the ebay seller I got my generator battery from shipped it fucking smartpost.
[17:15:44] <furrywolf> so, like every other item ever shipped smartpost, the delivery date is long past and it's still three days away.
[17:16:54] <furrywolf> ebay needs to eliminate generic "standard shipping" etc and require the seller to specify the actual shipping method they will use
[17:17:11] <furrywolf> or add an option for "substandard shipping".
[17:18:09] <Deejay> gn8
[17:18:52] <Crom> furrywolf, heh
[17:20:28] <furrywolf> bbl, small motor shop just called to let me know my generator parts were in, heading to town to pick them up.
[17:20:53] <Crom> lqterz drive safe
[17:20:59] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: :)
[17:21:03] <furrywolf> got a timing belt, valve rotator, and stem seal.
[17:36:16] <zeeshan> "they tried the same scenario with other crews , they all crashed"
[17:36:40] <zeeshan> -- gimli glider situation
[17:36:49] <zeeshan> guy was that good
[17:37:00] <SpeedEvil> yeah - well - maybe
[17:37:01] <zeeshan> definition of skill and hero
[17:37:14] <SpeedEvil> Or the simulator lacked cues present in real life
[17:37:15] <zeeshan> i cant believe he pulled glider moves on the 737
[17:37:24] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: it's easy to play it down
[17:37:26] <zeeshan> guy was just that good
[17:37:29] <zeeshan> his gliding experience came into play
[17:37:32] <SpeedEvil> I'm not saying he wasn't awesome
[17:37:35] <zeeshan> no regular pilot woulda done that move
[17:38:10] <zeeshan> just liky sullenberger's landing in water
[17:38:14] <zeeshan> pure skill
[17:38:28] <zeeshan> i love these types of crashes
[17:38:37] <zeeshan> or crashes where mostly everyone survives
[17:38:51] <zeeshan> like turkish airlines 1951
[17:39:14] <zeeshan> (you gotta question how a plane that crashes that hard -- enough to break into 3 pieces) has 9 fatalities and 126 surivvors)
[17:40:23] <SpeedEvil> Aliens.
[17:40:26] * zeeshan is convinced dc10
[17:40:30] <zeeshan> is the worst airplane known to man
[17:45:09] <SpeedEvil> I do wonder what the top in passenger-fatalities per journey is
[17:46:05] <SpeedEvil> 'The DC-10's lifetime safety record is comparable to similar second-generation passenger jets as of 2008
[17:54:38] <furrywolf> the weather outside is getting pretty nasty... it's dark, and there's enough wind to make dustclouds. I don't think I'm working on the generators today.
[18:20:19] * SpeedEvil cues the Wizard of Oz music.
[18:24:43] <CaptHindsight> I had that cnc lath on uShip for one week and nobody placed bids
[18:25:06] <CaptHindsight> one carrier only wanted to quote if it was on a skid or crated
[18:28:34] <zeeshan> what lathe
[18:31:46] <CaptHindsight> http://images.craigslist.org/00606_9A2ecRMkbS8_600x450.jpg
[18:32:04] <zeeshan> how much
[18:32:06] <CaptHindsight> random lathe, just wanted to see about shipping 2K miles
[18:32:18] <CaptHindsight> think it was $4k
[18:33:24] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/mississauga-peel-region/cnc-lathe/1049659141?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[18:33:28] <zeeshan> been eying this lathe
[18:33:29] <CaptHindsight> the big transport co's know that they have gorillas moving things around so don't want to touch a machine unless it's crated
[18:33:38] <zeeshan> 40-4000 rpm, 20hp spindle
[18:33:51] <zeeshan> 3.4" spindle bore
[18:34:03] <CaptHindsight> will you need an additional 100A service?
[18:34:06] <zeeshan> no
[18:34:06] <zeeshan> lol
[18:34:15] <zeeshan> i'd prolly throw a 7.5 hp motor on it
[18:34:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.boltontool.com/Lathe/cnc-machine/16-x-40-cnc-lathe-with-6-positions-toolpost-2-3-8-bore?gclid=CJ-VyZHS9MUCFYMCaQodFjgAIQ lets see what freight is on this
[18:35:03] <zeeshan> http://www.ccmachinetools.com/inventory/takisawa-ta-25-2-axis-cnc-lathe-1997#
[18:35:07] <zeeshan> not much Z travel though
[18:35:08] <zeeshan> :(
[18:35:44] <zeeshan> wait what
[18:35:46] <zeeshan> 38" c-c
[18:35:47] <zeeshan> hmm
[18:36:17] <CaptHindsight> $600.00 CA to IL
[18:36:27] <CaptHindsight> +75 for a liftgate
[18:38:05] <CaptHindsight> same shipping rate for this
http://www.boltontool.com/3-axis-cnc-mill-with-10-position-atc
[18:44:29] <Valen> so we are thinking for our new mill
[18:44:45] <Valen> epoxy granite, with carbon fibre overlay to add some stiffness
[18:44:59] <Valen> so tell me oh knowers of things, why is it a bad idea ;->
[18:45:24] <CaptHindsight> I'd skip the fiber skin
[18:46:18] <Valen> why?
[18:46:23] <CaptHindsight> Valen: how many liters of granite will you need?
[18:46:41] <CaptHindsight> it's not going to do much as a skin
[18:46:41] <Valen> its going to be a few hundred kg all up
[18:47:10] <Valen> 5mm of uni directional carbon fibre on each side of the gantry
[18:47:24] <CaptHindsight> <10% epoxy to >90% aggregate
[18:47:54] <Valen> it seems as though 12.5% epoxy gives better dampening than less or more
[18:48:01] <CaptHindsight> you can mix in chopped CF strand
[18:48:26] <Valen> I was thinking about doing that too
[18:48:33] <Valen> I haven't heard of it being done
[18:48:44] <Valen> so I figure its stupid for some reason I don't know yet lol
[18:48:55] <CaptHindsight> I make acrylics, epoxies, urethanes and polyesters
[18:49:08] <CaptHindsight> the raw materials are really all over the place for specs
[18:49:20] <Valen> father who is basically making this has ~30 years in composites
[18:49:31] <CaptHindsight> they can be very hard and rigid or have lots of flex
[18:50:00] <Valen> that's why we are thinking of using EG basically as a core material
[18:50:01] <CaptHindsight> look at what the fiber is going to do
[18:50:11] <Valen> then unidrectional fibre over it for stiffness
[18:50:41] <CaptHindsight> I don't see where the flex will be if you're ~90% aggregate
[18:50:54] <Valen> everything flexes ;->
[18:51:18] <CaptHindsight> there are several papers on this type of composite
[18:51:37] <Valen> I was thinking it should let us have a lighter gantry than we otherwise would
[18:51:48] <Valen> any paticular suggestions? I have been reading them
[18:52:16] <CaptHindsight> make some models in Ansys
[18:52:21] <CaptHindsight> see what they do
[18:52:56] <Valen> I was going to do some simulations in solidworks
[18:53:08] <Valen> but I hear modelling stuff like EG isn't trivial
[18:53:40] <CaptHindsight> if you were designing for manufacturing I could see why you want to optimize to lowest the cost to build
[18:54:22] <CaptHindsight> I don't think SW has parameters for concrete and CF
[18:54:31] <CaptHindsight> maybe the new version does
[18:54:42] <Valen> you can enter new materials
[18:55:08] <Valen> but its a non isotropic material and people say it has issues with that
[18:55:15] <Valen> (FEA in general)
[18:55:29] <Valen> I want to have good acceleration and stiffness without huge huge drives
[18:55:33] <CaptHindsight> I think you're splitting hairs
[18:56:00] <CaptHindsight> and unless you have some weight limit I'd just go with the aggregate and resin
[18:58:12] <Valen> doing that too
[18:58:39] <Valen> The largest concern I have is the CF could impede the dampening of the EG
[19:06:19] <CaptHindsight> also think of how will you bond the two composite together
[19:06:24] <CaptHindsight> more epoxy?
[19:52:00] <Valen> CaptHindsight: yup ;->
[19:52:29] <Valen> we were planning on using the EG as the base then just wetting out the CF over it
[19:54:44] <Valen> I have been concerned about bolting steel rails to the EG
[19:54:59] <Valen> but the mix we are using seems to have about the same thermal expansion as steel
[19:55:51] <Valen> do you know of any paper or other such, detailing information on different resins and the properties of a resultant EG mix?
[20:07:22] <furrywolf> is eg intended to be a structual material?
[20:08:33] * furrywolf usually associates it with yuppie countertops, not useful objects...
[20:09:55] <SpeedEvil> Valen: it's all about fill fraction and strains
[20:10:11] <SpeedEvil> Valen: If you have CF, the CF utterly dominates the resin at normal fill factors
[20:10:37] <SpeedEvil> the CF composite has the CTE of CF, the resin doesn't do much, as it is so much enormously flexier
[20:12:03] <furrywolf> the cf sets the properties in two dimensions... in the third, especially under S-shaped stresses, the epoxy is the weak point...
[20:12:11] <furrywolf> assuming normal layered construction
[20:12:36] <furrywolf> same with fiberglass
[20:12:38] <SpeedEvil> http://www.academia.edu/3307494/Study_of_Thermal_Expansion_in_Carbon_Fiber_Reinforced_Polymer_Composites
[20:12:49] <Valen> furrywolf: lots of fancy pants manufacturers are using epoxy granite for machine tool bases it seems
[20:12:55] <SpeedEvil> Results of composite samples indicated that CTE in the directions perpendicular to the fibers ranged from 35 to 57 µm/(m·°C) and depicted same order of magnitude of resin samples. On the other hand, CTE in fiber dominated directions was negative or close to zero.
[20:14:08] <furrywolf> also, I want to see the long-term stability of carbon fiber... consider how utterly poorly fiberglass does with time, due to failure of the resin.
[20:16:37] <furrywolf> heh, looks like I'm not the only one to worry about this. first google result includes "decreasing by 29% after only 1000 h of cyclic exposure to UV radiation"
[20:24:26] <SpeedEvil> that is why you put a black gelcoat over it
[20:43:54] <Tom_itx> pcw_home is there a pattern how you wired those pericom buss switches? i was gonna check the io to see just which ones were bad...
[20:46:21] <Tom_itx> wow those are showing end of life on digikey last buy date 10-08-2015
[21:05:57] <zeeshan> why is it so hard to find feeds for a holesaw
[21:06:00] <zeeshan> i see sfm
[21:06:03] <zeeshan> not feed..
[21:06:33] <cradek> probably because it's hard to guess how many teeth are actually cutting
[21:06:37] <SpeedEvil> Because they're usually used by people that don't read them?
[21:07:00] <cradek> better to put it on the drill press
[21:07:17] <SpeedEvil> cradek: doesn't matter how many teeth are cutting - the feed in princple is the same
[21:07:17] <Tom_itx> crank it down until it smokes then back off just a bit...
[21:07:21] <archivist> they need peck drilling due to chips
[21:07:23] <zeeshan> cant put in drill press
[21:07:40] <Tom_itx> zeeshan i'd calculate it like a flycutter of same diameter
[21:08:02] <SpeedEvil> But - sane chip loading for one tooth doesn't really work for all the teeth in many cases simply as it's not rigid enough
[21:08:03] <cradek> SpeedEvil: nope. if it says .002/tooth chip load, how many inches per minute do you feed it? no way to know
[21:08:06] <Tom_itx> you want slower rpm
[21:08:21] <Tom_itx> cradek count the teeth
[21:08:31] <Tom_itx> but i still wouldn't feed it that much i think
[21:08:35] <cradek> they aren't all cutting. probably three are.
[21:08:48] <SpeedEvil> cradek: .002/tooth chip load surely means that if you've got 100 teeth, .2"/rev?
[21:08:49] <Tom_itx> heh yeah probably
[21:08:49] <cradek> same with woodruffs etc
[21:08:57] <archivist> and those three jamb up
[21:09:01] <SpeedEvil> That sounds about right
[21:09:15] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/o3TbmNC.png
[21:09:19] <cradek> SpeedEvil: I made up those numbers AND you're missing the point :-)
[21:09:23] <SpeedEvil> - with the caveat that that will snap the shaft, and you can only peck a tiny amount at that load
[21:09:23] <zeeshan> i gotta make 8 of those highlighted things
[21:09:27] <zeeshan> i mean 6
[21:09:32] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo2GXnfKyA8
[21:09:41] <zeeshan> i was doing it like this a couple y ears ago
[21:09:54] <zeeshan> but i didnt have the most optimal speed and feed doing
[21:09:56] <zeeshan> *going
[21:09:58] <zeeshan> i just did it by feel
[21:10:06] <zeeshan> (was feeding manually)
[21:10:07] <cradek> don't you have a cnc mill?
[21:10:20] <cradek> that's just circular interpolation with an end mill
[21:10:30] <zeeshan> yes i do
[21:10:37] <zeeshan> was thinking it'
[21:10:40] <zeeshan> it'd be faster with the lathe
[21:10:59] <Tom_itx> are they all the same?
[21:11:03] <zeeshan> ya
[21:11:05] <Tom_itx> fixture them and ballnose the end
[21:11:17] <zeeshan> i wanna use the lathe
[21:11:22] <zeeshan> but i want the correct feed rate
[21:11:30] <SpeedEvil> cradek: ah - yes - I now see why number of teeth engaged mattars in reflection
[21:11:48] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: feed per tooth ~0.001 i'd think
[21:11:57] <zeeshan> actually i have no clue for a bandsaw blade
[21:12:04] <zeeshan> i think 0.001 would be reasonable
[21:12:22] <archivist> flat sheet, plasma and then roll
[21:12:29] <zeeshan> stop trolling me :(
[21:12:41] <zeeshan> gimme feeed!!!
[21:12:53] <archivist> no, its the wrong way
[21:12:57] <zeeshan> i gotta run it at 160 rpm
[21:13:04] <zeeshan> but how much feed
[21:13:16] <zeeshan> can i assume half the teeth are in enagement
[21:13:19] <zeeshan> engagement
[21:13:33] <cradek> I wish our cnc mills had something like what you get with a band saw or drill press or even edm: push a reasonable amount and let the thing feed however fast it wants
[21:13:50] <Tom_itx> zeeshan what's the sfm at 160rpm?
[21:13:59] <Tom_itx> calculate the diameter
[21:14:04] <zeeshan> cradek: maybe w/ force feedback
[21:14:12] <zeeshan> specifically Fq (thrust/ feed force)
[21:14:17] <zeeshan> sfm is 100
[21:14:21] <zeeshan> dia is 2.5
[21:14:25] <furrywolf> auger stand built
[21:15:28] <zeeshan> this thing is 6 teeth per inch
[21:15:54] <zeeshan> 1 ipm?
[21:15:54] <zeeshan> lol
[21:16:01] <Tom_itx> slow for sure
[21:16:24] <zeeshan> i really like doing it on the lathe over mill
[21:16:35] <zeeshan> because i dont have to to keep zeroing out the work piece
[21:16:45] <zeeshan> i can eyeball the end of the tube, and chop it off
[21:16:50] <zeeshan> load another, do the same
[21:17:12] <zeeshan> ill try 2 ipm and 1 ipm
[21:17:20] <zeeshan> and go by sound
[21:17:50] <zeeshan> yay my tube notcher video has 800 views, thank you!
[21:20:28] <cradek> hahah wow what a piece of crap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T8vB2nX_6k
[21:20:58] * furrywolf keeps waiting for an image to upload
[21:22:09] <zeeshan> lol
[21:22:13] <zeeshan> thread wears out
[21:23:57] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/augeronstand01.jpg auger stand/christmas tree stand. :)
[21:24:18] <zeeshan> nice auger
[21:30:17] <furrywolf> it's surging a bit at full throttle, unloaded at least... might need to clean carb/fuel filter.
[21:30:34] <furrywolf> or just run some fresh gas through it digging some holes and see if it goes away
[21:31:04] <zeeshan> it needs NAWZ
[21:31:14] <furrywolf> it was running when that photo was taken. lol
[21:31:40] <zeeshan> how do you hold this thing
[21:31:43] <zeeshan> i see the 4 handles
[21:31:47] <furrywolf> one person on either side
[21:31:57] <zeeshan> where does the auger stick out of
[21:32:04] <zeeshan> towards the red end?
[21:32:13] <furrywolf> the bottom
[21:32:19] <zeeshan> oh
[21:32:30] * furrywolf googles for a photo
[21:32:32] <zeeshan> that would be a useful tool to have =/
[21:32:39] <zeeshan> i wanna build a deck
[21:32:48] <zeeshan> and a shead
[21:32:49] <zeeshan> *shed
[21:33:02] <furrywolf> http://www.groundhoginc.com/product_images/5-detail-3.jpg
[21:33:26] <zeeshan> looks like its pretty much self feeding
[21:33:53] <furrywolf> I suspect it's off in that photo. in reality operating one sucks. I also note a lack of exhaust or flying dirt.
[21:34:17] <zeeshan> :D
[21:34:18] <furrywolf> it's trying to push each person sideways with a hundred pounds of force or so. you don't just stand there like that. :P
[21:34:30] <zeeshan> ok im gonna auger some metal
[21:34:33] <zeeshan> BRB :D
[21:36:10] <furrywolf> http://www.groundhoginc.com/product_images/12-product-image.jpg somewhat more realistic. :P
[21:36:50] <eula-m1> Oh hello people
[21:37:44] <furrywolf> http://d3is8fue1tbsks.cloudfront.net/906659/1.jpg without the stand it sits like that, and flops around annoyingly if you transport it, unless you spend excessive effory lashing it.
[21:39:57] <eula-m1> All I remember is G0 from my cnc class
[21:40:20] <furrywolf> http://www.machinefinder.com/images/machines/55/994155/523820_huge.jpg and never, fucking EVER do that. see the puddle under it? that's the gas that dumped out of the carb back through the air filter. the engine oil is doing the same internally.
[21:41:06] <englishman> Those are 4 stroke?
[21:41:39] <furrywolf> yes
[21:41:43] <furrywolf> honda
[21:41:45] <englishman> Cool
[22:39:48] <PetefromTn_> evening folks
[23:05:01] <eula-m1> Aye
[23:20:41] <furrywolf> I have a small brushed DC motor that's running at half speed. if I push on either brush, it speeds up. I cleaned the commutator the best I could through the slots in the motor. It looks like the brushes got very hot at some point. Did I somehow detemper the springs or something?
[23:22:38] <furrywolf> of the three electric starters that are in the parts pile, zero have working motors. now I know why they're off...
[23:27:41] <furrywolf> bah. I just pushed one the brushes sideways, and it stayed there. springs aren't.
[23:30:29] <furrywolf> I guess I need to take it apart, which ain't going to be fun... the brush+bush plate is crimped in to the housing rather well.
[23:31:34] <furrywolf> why are honda parts so fucking expensive? I can buy a much larger, much less plasticy full-size automotive starter for half what they want for the little plastic generator one
[23:33:19] <furrywolf> http://www.scrubbercity.com/Part_Number_31210_ZS9_A02_p/31210-zs9-a02.htm I've seen r/c cars with bigger motors!
[23:33:24] * furrywolf has built r/c cars with bigger motors!
