#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-05-25

[00:04:43] <toastyde1th> XXCoder, you aren't registered
[00:04:49] <toastyde1th> or aren't logged in
[00:04:55] <XXCoder> im registered
[00:04:57] <toastyde1th> many channels on freenode require an auth'ed account
[00:05:03] <XXCoder> otherwise I would get the boot
[00:05:16] <toastyde1th> i don't see you as logged in on whois
[00:05:26] <toastyde1th> *shrug*
[00:07:02] <XXCoder> maybe something broke on move
[00:07:04] <XXCoder> checking
[00:08:27] <XXCoder> toastyde1th: yea fixed now
[00:08:30] <XXCoder> thanks
[00:08:34] <toastyde1th> np
[00:09:11] <XXCoder> can you do cctp version on me?
[00:09:27] <toastyde1th> -XXCoder- VERSION mIRC 1.91 (8 bit) for Microsoft Windows For WorkGroups 3.11
[00:09:36] <XXCoder> it is what it should be. thanks
[00:10:29] <toastyde1th> np!
[00:10:45] <XXCoder> heh I love my ctcp version
[00:11:02] <XXCoder> I don't think there was ever a 8 bit irc client lol
[00:12:19] <toastyde1th> hahaha
[00:12:23] <toastyde1th> i was a bit like.. "wut"
[00:14:33] <XXCoder> heh
[00:14:57] <furrywolf> I don't think anyone will believe Mardam-Bey is capable of writing anything that'd run on an 8-bit chip. :P
[00:15:00] <XXCoder> its surpise if anyone ever checks version
[00:15:15] <XXCoder> happened one
[00:15:18] <XXCoder> *once so far
[00:17:27] <furrywolf> most people don't care
[00:17:48] <XXCoder> indeed
[00:18:05] <XXCoder> highest chance is someone checking for exploitable version
[00:20:09] <RyanS> someone mentioned in here they used to be a 'CAD jokey', is that person here?
[00:23:35] <furrywolf> the primary exploits I've seen with mirc focus on the operator. :)
[00:32:30] <XXCoder> lol likely
[02:07:42] <Crom> I've never been accused of being a CAD jockey
[02:08:00] <Crom> so id ain't me
[02:08:14] <Crom> s/id/it/
[02:08:58] <Crom> POS tinkerbot DMX shield
[02:10:34] <Crom> 5pin XLR connector, pins aren't marked on the board, haven't found the pinout of the board, my multimeter is 40 miles away, and all my equipment uses 3 pin XLR DMX
[02:12:59] <Crom> DOH! I have a 5v source and resistors and LEDS.. time to build a continuity winky
[02:13:43] <Crom> tomorrow morning
[02:21:36] <Deejay> moin
[04:13:54] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/c4FHOBs.jpg
[04:13:55] <zeeshan> moarr
[04:14:06] <zeeshan> these parts make me realize i need a waterjet
[04:14:06] <zeeshan> :]
[04:17:02] <XXCoder> buy one then heh
[04:17:04] <XXCoder> or build one
[04:17:11] <XXCoder> pumps hard one lol\
[04:17:12] <zeeshan> too much $
[04:21:07] <XXCoder> expensive I bet yeah
[04:21:16] <XXCoder> its handy once has it
[04:21:21] <XXCoder> it can cut damn near anything
[04:21:26] <XXCoder> from steel to foam
[04:21:31] <zeeshan> yes
[04:21:37] <XXCoder> you cant machine soft foam on cnc mill
[04:24:24] <XXCoder> hmm http://hackaday.com/2014/01/14/hydro-the-low-cost-waterjet-cutter/
[04:25:00] <zeeshan> i might just use my plasma cutter
[04:25:04] <zeeshan> and attach it to xy table
[04:25:05] <XXCoder> its something you can buy part a time. small though
[04:26:26] <XXCoder> hell you has a machine. you can build parts of it yourself.
[04:26:45] <XXCoder> the pump, expecially if you want fast and powerful, probably would be 90% of cost
[05:48:10] <cnc1> hallo to all
[05:48:41] <cnc1> use some one Mesa 7i77
[06:46:44] <witnit> hmm?
[06:46:49] <witnit> hello cnc1
[06:47:08] <cnc1> hi
[06:47:33] <witnit> i have had a 7i77 running for a few years now
[06:47:51] <witnit> working gud :)
[06:51:02] <cnc1> nice
[06:51:34] <cnc1> and i begin
[06:52:00] <cnc1> learn all
[06:53:42] <cnc1> in moment i dont andestand cofig spindle
[06:55:07] <cnc1> no signal on TB5
[06:56:59] <cnc1> the X Y Z work
[06:57:24] <cnc1> but not spindle
[07:00:12] <cnc1> can you show your hal ini
[07:00:37] <cnc1> please
[07:06:59] <witnit> most of your issues should be solvable here i think
[07:07:01] <witnit> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/28276-mesa-5i25-7i77-0-10v-spindle-output-dual-spindles
[07:07:26] <witnit> it says dual spindles... but the code is all there just take what you need
[07:08:20] <witnit> i dont use spindle on my 7i77, just XYZA
[07:10:17] <witnit> i want this but its too far away http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/tls/5040801035.html
[07:15:49] <cnc1> ok
[07:53:26] <cnc1> witnit
[07:53:30] <cnc1> http://imagebin.ca/v/22wUUsxUInak
[09:08:06] <Timbo> presumably you're able to do programmable macro type stuff like this, in emc? http://www.instructables.com/id/Mach3-Zero-Probe-Tool/
[09:10:28] <FinboySlick> Timbo: That's relatively trivial to do on linuxcnc as far as I know but I'm not sure how 'exact' that method is going to be.
[09:45:19] <witnit> timbo, yesh probe is built in
[09:45:42] <witnit> you could write your own also
[09:45:58] <witnit> cnc1 looks like a fun project!
[09:57:17] <witnit> cnc1 looks like a fun project you got goin on!
[09:57:43] <cnc1> yes
[09:57:51] <witnit> getting anywhere on that spindle?
[09:58:00] <cnc1> no
[09:58:08] <witnit> post your .hal and .inf
[09:58:29] <cnc1> just a moment
[09:58:33] <witnit> https://gist.github.com/
[09:58:44] <witnit> thats a nice easy on the viewer place to paste
[10:09:20] <cnc1> https://gist.github.com/
[10:10:38] <Tom_itx> zeeshan did you rigid tap those holes?
[10:10:41] <cnc11> witnit:
[10:10:51] <cnc11> i am
[10:10:53] <cnc11> gist:7cfe2c756a0687ce7884
[10:12:05] <cnc11> https://gist.github.com/04f162806795ba537a06.git
[10:12:26] <cnc11> https://gist.github.com/7cfe2c756a0687ce7884.git
[10:16:02] <witnit> what is your error/problem?
[10:18:48] <cnc11> on TB5 DRV3 no signal
[10:20:44] <cnc11> if i give separate extern 1.3 V on spindle = work
[10:21:18] <cnc11> then spindle driver is ok
[10:23:01] <cnc11> measure the DRV3 nothing
[10:26:36] <cnc11> have some proposal
[10:27:20] <witnit> right, probably something in the .hal i dont see
[10:27:21] <cnc11> idea
[10:27:39] <witnit> someone will probably have an answer soon
[10:28:26] <witnit> what does drv5 output?
[10:30:14] <cnc11> i use only 0 1 2 3 DRV
[10:31:12] <cnc11> they are give -10V to +10V
[10:32:17] <cnc11> and i wish the DRV3 do it but will not
[10:38:22] <witnit> does this sound familiar~ "First, if you have a 7I77, analog channel 5 is designed for spindle use,
[10:38:22] <witnit> no other channel is suitable since only analog channel 5 can be enabled/disabled
[10:38:22] <witnit> independently."
[10:39:00] <witnit> maybe that is out of context
[10:39:13] <witnit> but i never used spindle option, sounds relavent though
[10:39:29] <witnit> maybe push it over to 5 and try again?
[10:40:25] <cnc11> drv5
[10:41:04] <witnit> page 20 of 7i77 manual http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/parallel/7i77man.pdf
[10:41:07] <Tom_itx> does the analog channel have power?
[10:42:13] <cnc11> the drv3
[10:42:13] <witnit> well page 14 of the manual page 20 according to pdf viewer
[10:42:54] <witnit> "Six uncommitted OPTO coupler outputs are available
[10:42:54] <witnit> for drive enable. Five of these
[10:42:54] <witnit> outputs are (ENA0 through ENA4) are switched in com
[10:42:54] <witnit> mon while ENA5 can be
[10:42:54] <witnit> independently switched for spindle applications."
[10:45:53] <cnc11> drv5 another
[10:51:15] <cnc11> no nothing
[10:51:56] <FinboySlick> Speaking of touch-off earlier, anyone knows who makes those: http://assets.machine-dro.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/8/image/56969bb131e7f6de9ec78c697c28dd3e/i/m/imgp7249.jpg ?
[10:52:12] <FinboySlick> HAha, let me read what's on the dial first ;)
[10:53:06] <_methods> it says machine-dro.com.uk or something like that
[10:53:14] <_methods> but those are chinese tool touch off blocks
[10:53:41] <_methods> pretty sure you can pick them up on ebay for cheap
[10:53:45] <FinboySlick> I have one of those: http://www.machine-dro.co.uk/edge-technology-pro-touch-off-z-axis-setting-gauge.html but it really is too big for my machine.
[10:54:04] <FinboySlick> I'd like to get the smallest one possible.
[10:54:37] <_methods> make your own with an indicator
[10:54:45] <_methods> looks pretty simple
[10:56:35] <Tom_itx> is that a 1" block?
[10:56:54] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CAT-40-Magnetic-Z-Axis-Tool-Pre-Setter-Reapability-0004-/251951054155?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
[10:57:12] <_methods> that one is 2"
[10:58:27] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Z-Axis-50-0-005mm-Setter-with-Table-Magnetic-Determinator-Pre-setter-Tool-fr-CNC/151658483092?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D3b58edd4d487477497437efcb787fafe%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D251951054155&rt=nc
[10:58:32] <Tom_itx> that one is prettier
[10:59:03] <Tom_itx> also mm
[10:59:53] <FinboySlick> 5cm is better, but half that would be great (it'd take a tiny indicator though).
[11:00:39] <Tom_itx> the first one must only work with CAT40
[11:00:40] <Tom_itx> :)
[11:00:46] <_methods> yeah lol
[11:00:51] <_methods> not sure why they put cat40 in there
[11:01:11] <FinboySlick> Chinese marketing is its own art.
[11:01:35] <_methods> well if you know your tools will always be fairly close to the same length you could use a dial test mounted out to the side or something like that
[11:01:51] <Tom_itx> sometimes i think their brain was scrambled with an egg beater
[11:01:52] <_methods> but you'll have a fairly limited range with that
[11:02:09] <witnit> cnc1 http://www.grmolds.com/7i77.hal
[11:02:13] <witnit> maybe that will help?
[11:03:10] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/caliper.jpg
[11:03:16] <Tom_itx> i just use that 1" gage block
[11:03:34] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: Well, what little I've studied of the language suggest that they organize their thoughts differently. Even if you have the actual vocabulary, the way they string the words together is somewhat difficult for our western brains to process.
[11:04:12] <FinboySlick> It's expressive and poetic, mind you.
[11:09:23] <cnc11> witnit why vfd scale 5000
[11:09:34] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: You use the gage block to touch-off?
[11:09:57] <witnit> no idea, i havent used spindle options before, just hoping you can piece something together with their .hal
[11:11:47] <cnc11> your machine have 4 axis
[11:12:12] <Tom_itx> FinboySlick yes
[11:12:27] <Tom_itx> well, i slide it under as i increment down
[11:12:36] <_methods> safer to increment up
[11:12:55] <Tom_itx> _methods too much z slop
[11:13:02] <_methods> ahh
[11:13:19] <_methods> well that sux
[11:13:37] <Tom_itx> that's sherline
[11:13:41] <FinboySlick> I know they're pretty hard but won't you end up scratching it with the tool?
[11:13:50] <Tom_itx> a little yes
[11:13:55] <Tom_itx> i got it just for that
[11:14:01] <Tom_itx> and checking the calipers
[11:14:25] <_methods> i'm in the same boat with my little pos mill
[11:14:27] <cnc11> witnit your machine have 4 axis
[11:14:38] <Tom_itx> i got a .1" one too but haven't used it
[11:14:42] <_methods> the z slop isn't bad until i start cutting stuff
[11:14:53] <_methods> then the whole column flexes and stuff on steel
[11:14:58] <witnit> i use X and A
[11:14:59] <_methods> seems to do pretty good in alum
[11:15:28] <Tom_itx> time to mow the soggy yard before it rains again
[11:15:33] <_methods> i've been holding at +/- .001" on x and y
[11:15:40] <_methods> so i can't bitch
[11:16:04] <_methods> for the $500 POS that it is
[11:16:28] <_methods> the Z column is definitely going to have to be beefed up though
[11:40:00] <alex4nder> _methods: what type of mill?
[11:48:01] <_methods> sx2
[11:49:15] <_methods> hehe i blew up the gears after cutting steel like 3 times
[11:49:22] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: no
[11:49:35] <zeeshan> i need to try rigid tapping on the mill
[11:49:42] <zeeshan> just dont have patience to go through setting up test blocks
[11:56:28] <zeeshan> one day ill come across a job that needs like 40 tapped holes and ill set it up :D
[12:02:41] <archivist> waiting for "that job" can take years
[12:03:40] <cnc11> witnit it work
[12:16:45] <zeeshan> archivist: good
[12:16:46] <zeeshan> :-)
[12:17:01] <zeeshan> i hooked up my air compressor last night after procastinating for 5 months
[12:17:08] <zeeshan> shoulda done it earlier, makes machining so much easier.
[12:17:13] <zeeshan> just a bit of air blast at 10 psi
[12:17:14] <zeeshan> good enuf
[12:17:45] <archivist> I waited for one pair of gears to cnc the hob :)
[12:17:59] <zeeshan> haha
[12:18:32] <archivist> now I am waiting for moooooore jobs...any?
[12:19:42] <archivist> we had the local transport festival in the village today, got a sniff of a speedo gear job
[12:22:53] <furrywolf> got the eu3000is running... oil consumption is high and compression is low, but it makes power.
[12:23:21] <furrywolf> although I should do another compression test now that it's been running... cylinder was bone dry for the first one. 60psi.
[12:24:01] <furrywolf> carb still sucks despite my cleaning it, but I think I have 5-8 of them to pick from. lol
[12:24:25] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: yay
[12:24:27] <furrywolf> the one on it I think was worse than all the ones in the spare parts box.
[12:24:54] <furrywolf> I had to run through the jets with a wire since they were all plugged so solid you couldn't get carb cleaner through them...
[12:25:45] <furrywolf> also, thanks to california, I had to use a hacksaw to clean the idle jets.
[12:25:56] <SpeedEvil> ?
[12:26:19] <archivist> sealed
[12:26:22] <furrywolf> ah, you don't live in california. :P
[12:26:33] <furrywolf> california requires the mixture screws on carbs to be non-adjustable.
[12:26:45] <SpeedEvil> ah
[12:26:54] <SpeedEvil> Which is quite reasonable.
[12:26:57] <furrywolf> to keep evil homeowners bent on destroying the planet from turning the mixture up slightly so their engines run correctly.
[12:27:00] <SpeedEvil> If engines were 100% reliable
[12:27:11] <zeeshan> where can i buy glass rod
[12:27:19] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: ebay, alibaba
[12:27:23] <zeeshan> locally
[12:27:28] <SpeedEvil> Do you want more than one ton?
[12:27:38] <SpeedEvil> Diameter, length?
[12:27:43] <zeeshan> hmm..
[12:27:52] <zeeshan> im trying to experiment making glass light tubes
[12:28:00] <furrywolf> honda's way of complying with california is swaged-on stops on the screw heads, and a weak neck in the middle of the screw so it snaps off if you try removing it.
[12:28:03] <zeeshan> maybe 3/4" would be best?
[12:28:05] <zeeshan> so it doesnt break as easy
[12:28:07] <furrywolf> my solution is to hacksaw the stop back round. :P
[12:28:13] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: why are you wanting rod, not tube?
[12:28:30] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: was thinking a glass rod will be easier to work with
[12:28:36] <furrywolf> most large areas have places that sell glass supplies... there's several here that do.
[12:28:37] <zeeshan> i plan to heat it up and bend it
[12:28:53] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: how does a rod make light>?
[12:28:59] <zeeshan> lemme show you what i mtrying to do
[12:29:00] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: bending glass tube isn't that bad
[12:29:09] <SpeedEvil> if you want shallow bends
[12:29:18] <furrywolf> they're used for making decorations, marbles, "tobacco accessories",...
[12:29:19] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/5FWCz4k.jpg real life
[12:29:29] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/o5acB56.png
[12:29:30] <zeeshan> computer
[12:29:45] <zeeshan> you see the angles closest to the door?
[12:29:46] <furrywolf> and high-end dildos!
[12:29:57] <SpeedEvil> Oh - you want them as light guides?
[12:30:00] <zeeshan> i want to loop a glass rod in a rectangular format there
[12:30:07] <SpeedEvil> glass dildos have come crashing down recently.
[12:30:08] <zeeshan> yes, sorry calling it the wrong thing
[12:30:12] <zeeshan> light guides
[12:30:20] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: eh?
[12:30:24] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: never mind.
[12:30:35] <zeeshan> it would exit from the top opening (where i will make a flange)
[12:30:37] <furrywolf> light pipes
[12:30:37] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: a simple rod may not work well as a light guide
[12:30:42] <zeeshan> (with the correct bulkhead)
[12:30:44] <archivist> zeeshan, acrylic might be easier to work with
[12:30:46] <furrywolf> rods work find as light pipes
[12:30:48] <SpeedEvil> if bent, especially
[12:30:54] <furrywolf> acrylic will melt at his temperatures
[12:30:58] <SpeedEvil> I meant if bent
[12:31:08] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: i wont find out till i try it right?
[12:31:22] <furrywolf> do you need an actual light guide, or can you just aim light in with a focusing lens?
[12:31:26] <zeeshan> there isn't solid stuff online
[12:31:35] <SpeedEvil> I'd just spot-weld a couple of halogen capsule bulbs in
[12:31:35] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i want the easiest method possible
[12:31:39] <zeeshan> i dont have a lot of time to spend on this
[12:31:43] <zeeshan> i wanna be done with it by the end of this week
[12:31:49] <zeeshan> (including getting all parts)
[12:31:49] <SpeedEvil> stainless bolts are likely to be fine too
[12:32:02] <zeeshan> i dont wanna add lights inside you know why?
[12:32:05] <zeeshan> they are heat sources
[12:32:08] <furrywolf> easiest is just to aim light through a window. lol
[12:32:17] <furrywolf> LED lights.
[12:32:18] <furrywolf> (outside)
[12:32:21] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: ah - you diddn't say that was an issue before
[12:32:26] <zeeshan> furrywolf: you havent seen !
[12:32:30] <SpeedEvil> 'it's cooled with liquid nitrogen'
[12:32:30] <zeeshan> theres limited space
[12:32:57] <furrywolf> check your local phonebook for glassblowing supplies.
[12:33:14] <furrywolf> you could also try neon sign shops, but they'll have tube, not solid.
[12:33:40] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Lqv4vFV.jpg
[12:33:49] <zeeshan> i dont even have the thermal camera in between those two cameras right now
[12:33:50] <furrywolf> what about a mirror-polished stainless tube?
[12:33:54] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/qgMOauP.jpg
[12:33:56] <zeeshan> very limited space
[12:34:26] <zeeshan> also i tried shiing that light from the outside, you really trip the cameras
[12:34:31] <furrywolf> or, if you can find it, chromed tube... but the inside quality of the plating may be questionable.
[12:34:36] <zeeshan> what i wanan do is turn off the lights in the lab
[12:34:41] <zeeshan> and just have a light inside, it seems to work really well.
[12:35:44] <furrywolf> how about off-the-shelf fiber optic lights?
[12:35:57] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i tried looking for some
[12:36:08] <zeeshan> most of them cant handle the temps cause of their outer pvc layer
[12:36:16] <furrywolf> ah
[12:36:17] <zeeshan> some come in stainless sheathing but long ass lead time
[12:36:28] <furrywolf> in that case, phonebook for glassblowing supplies. :)
[12:36:33] <zeeshan> i really feel like a glowing glass rod might do it
[12:36:35] <zeeshan> if i sand it..
[12:36:35] <furrywolf> where abouts are you again?
[12:36:39] <zeeshan> hamilton ,ontario
[12:37:32] <furrywolf> how about McMaster University Glassblowing Shop?
[12:37:41] <zeeshan> rofl
[12:37:48] <furrywolf> :P
[12:40:38] <furrywolf> wow, there's a surprising number of zeeshans at mcmaster
[12:42:12] <zeeshan> lol
[12:42:18] <furrywolf> munir, wadiwala, tanveer, ahmed, haqqee,...
[12:42:26] <zeeshan> i'm one of them :-)
[12:42:37] * furrywolf has met exactly zero zeeshans, so figured it was an odd name... but apparantly it's quite popular.
[12:42:49] <furrywolf> and have you tried your own university glassblowing shop yet? :P
[12:43:06] <furrywolf> it sounds like they'd even make it for you
[12:43:17] <zeeshan> just called edm
[12:43:19] <zeeshan> closed down last year
[12:43:23] <zeeshan> they out source to another university now
[12:43:36] <furrywolf> ah, so the lead time is probably too high
[12:43:57] <zeeshan> im thinking, maybe i can just ask a glass work type of shop to do it for me
[12:44:00] <zeeshan> rather than doing it myself
[12:44:08] <zeeshan> but im thinking before i do that
[12:44:15] <zeeshan> i should test if this concept will work with just acrylic
[12:44:20] <furrywolf> a neon sign shop will do it quickly and cheaply, but you'll get tube, not solid.
[12:44:41] <furrywolf> neon shops are surprisingly cheap, and they know their stuff... a few precise bends will take them a few minutes tops.
[12:44:59] <zeeshan> bend it into the shape i want, and , sand the circumference of the rod and see if it lights up
[12:45:01] <furrywolf> think about how many careful bends it takes to make a large display...
[12:45:16] <zeeshan> wait, can you use neon lights in high temp? :d
[12:45:29] <furrywolf> yes
[12:45:45] <zeeshan> http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB11GwdFVXXXXXcaXXXq6xXFXXXg/220770075/HTB11GwdFVXXXXXcaXXXq6xXFXXXg.jpg
[12:45:48] <zeeshan> i just want this!!
[12:45:49] <zeeshan> out of glass!!
[12:45:53] <furrywolf> but they're very monochromatic, unless you get the phosphor-filled kind, and I suspect they'd fry at temps.
[12:46:22] <zeeshan> i have another worry about glass
[12:46:29] <zeeshan> it usually doesnt like being at two different temperatures
[12:46:34] <zeeshan> that is when it blows up from thermal stress
[12:46:49] <zeeshan> like the portion of the glass that will be at 230C for example and another portion at room temp
[12:46:55] <zeeshan> or when i change temperatures
[12:47:00] <zeeshan> maybe glass rod isn't the best idea.
[12:47:03] <furrywolf> as long as there's an even thermal gradiant, it's fine. it's sudden changes and high gradients it doesn't like.
[12:47:04] <archivist> use glasss designed for the job pyrex
[12:47:05] <furrywolf> use borosilicate
[12:47:36] <furrywolf> again, call your local glassblowing, marble, "tobbacco accessory", dildo, or sign shop. :P
[12:47:56] <zeeshan> how about a mirror like you were saying
[12:48:03] <zeeshan> shine a light from the top opening
[12:48:11] <furrywolf> http://www.kellyloweglass.com/ call her and ask where she gets her supplies from
[12:49:06] <furrywolf> you can get focused lights cheaply... mr16 halogens.
[12:49:32] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/qgMOauP.jpg
[12:49:51] <zeeshan> if you look closely.. since im shining the light from the top, there is a shadow on the bottom of the hemisphere
[12:50:04] <furrywolf> so shine one from the bottom too
[12:50:07] <zeeshan> and all around the periphery
[12:50:14] <zeeshan> it really needs to come like this:
[12:50:25] <furrywolf> how far are you from oakville? (I could check a map, but my internet connection is slow...)
[12:50:30] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/k4y2Sog.png
[12:50:32] <zeeshan> yellow lines
[12:50:41] <zeeshan> ignore red
[12:51:23] <zeeshan> so i could place a mirror there..
[12:51:28] <zeeshan> on both those corners..
[12:51:28] <furrywolf> do you have room for a pair of single-ended halogen lamps? the ones that are about 7/16" diameter and 5" long.
[12:51:34] <zeeshan> and shine light from top opening
[12:51:35] <furrywolf> double-ended, I mean
[12:51:42] <furrywolf> oh, you don't want the heat. nevermind.
[12:51:44] * furrywolf forgot
[12:51:58] <zeeshan> those are too big, it'd have to be like car halogens
[12:52:01] <zeeshan> 12v
[12:52:04] <zeeshan> 60W
[12:52:16] <zeeshan> maybe i should just do that..
[12:52:22] <zeeshan> use car halogens, i dont know if they'll take the temp.
[12:52:33] <zeeshan> they are cheap.. and bright!
[12:52:39] <furrywolf> all halogens will take the tmp
[12:52:47] <furrywolf> they get hotter than that running
[12:52:51] <zeeshan> it'd just be a matter of soldering wire to the metal terminals
[12:53:19] <zeeshan> i could sand the bulb
[12:53:26] <zeeshan> lightly.. to get diffuse light
[12:53:27] <furrywolf> http://www.colourfusion.com/ google maps says they're 26mins from you.
[12:54:59] <zeeshan> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/C5W_lamp.JPG
[12:55:03] <zeeshan> i wanna use something like this
[12:55:08] <zeeshan> theyre like 10W
[12:55:16] <zeeshan> so theyll be putting out like 9W heat
[12:55:22] <zeeshan> should be bright enough
[12:55:24] <furrywolf> they seem to mostly stock bulk glass, but they'll know where to get rod if you call them.
[12:55:34] <furrywolf> festoon lamps
[12:55:35] * zeeshan is giving up on rod idea :P
[12:56:02] <furrywolf> they tend towards yellow, plan on overvoltaging them slightly
[12:56:17] <zeeshan> http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/image_uploads/132021-bulb_large.jpg
[12:56:21] <zeeshan> i need that made out of ceramic!!!!
[12:56:26] <furrywolf> your local auto parts store will have a wide variety of festoon lamps
[12:56:28] <zeeshan> PERFECT
[12:56:36] <zeeshan> dont even have to solder the wire
[12:56:48] <furrywolf> good luck with that. I've never seen a non-plastic festoon holder.
[12:57:03] <furrywolf> you can get festoon lamps with wires, however
[12:57:13] <zeeshan> maybe i can be ghetto
[12:57:26] <furrywolf> they have wire loops on each end and snap into a holder that pulls on them
[12:57:29] <zeeshan> and just let them dangle by soldering mg wire directly to them
[12:58:23] <furrywolf> look for rigid loop lamps
[12:58:48] <zeeshan> first result on google
[12:58:53] <zeeshan> exact bulb i need: http://www.bulbs.com/product/FEX10F-12?RefId=161
[12:58:57] <zeeshan> its already frosted
[12:59:00] <furrywolf> http://www.bulbs.com/product/RLX10F-12?RefId=161
[12:59:09] <furrywolf> lol
[12:59:11] <zeeshan> hahaha
[12:59:20] <zeeshan> but dude the question is how do i mount them to the angle aluminum
[12:59:23] <zeeshan> without shorting it out
[12:59:37] <furrywolf> no, the one I pasted is better than the one you pasted.
[12:59:42] <furrywolf> it's much easier to attach too
[12:59:43] <furrywolf> to
[12:59:46] <zeeshan> how?
[12:59:51] <furrywolf> look at it. :P
[12:59:58] <furrywolf> wrap wire around, quick tap with a soldering iron.
[13:00:15] <zeeshan> right but do you leave it dangling off the wire?
[13:00:19] <furrywolf> stick fiberglass sleeve over the ends if you're worried about shorting. available from any motor or electrical shop.
[13:00:21] <zeeshan> it'd be nice to mount it
[13:00:43] <zeeshan> i have these:
[13:00:54] <zeeshan> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/246599427/SM30_Insulator_High_quality_insulator_Fiberglass_insulator.jpg
[13:00:57] <zeeshan> fiberglass insulators
[13:01:34] <furrywolf> you can also get pcb material that'll be fine at your temperatures... solder the bulb to the pcb, the wires to the pcb, and screw the pcb in place.
[13:01:50] <furrywolf> you can also extract high-temp board-like material out of toasters and some space heaters
[13:02:39] <furrywolf> http://www.amphibike.org/images/640_toasterHeatingElement.jpg good picture of it
[13:02:52] <zeeshan> thats fiberglass?
[13:03:17] <furrywolf> probably. whatever it is, it has no problem being in direct contact with glowing nichrome. :P
[13:03:55] <furrywolf> brb
[13:04:34] <zeeshan> lol i cant solder
[13:04:38] <zeeshan> apparently solder melts at 183C.
[13:04:42] <zeeshan> im going to 260C!
[13:04:51] <Tom_itx> silversolder
[13:05:03] <zeeshan> ah
[13:05:10] <zeeshan> you guys are a wealth of info :)
[13:05:15] <Tom_itx> i know
[13:05:18] <Tom_itx> :)
[13:06:14] <Tom_itx> i guess i need to relearn how to download a FPGA image with jtag
[13:06:47] <Tom_itx> it's been way too long...
[13:07:38] <Tom_itx> anybody know about ISE design tools? is iMpact their downloader?
[13:08:10] <mozmck> I think so. You need a cable though...
[13:08:39] <Tom_itx> i've got an old parport one but i'm getting a USB one
[13:08:58] <furrywolf> braze or spot weld
[13:09:04] <Tom_itx> not sure the parport one would work with spartain6
[13:09:21] <mozmck> Ok. I have both now. I think the parport one is a pain to get set up, but don't remember for sure.
[13:09:26] <furrywolf> also, don't use any lamp with soldered-on ends, like the festoon lamps. make sure you use ones where you connect directly to wires from the lamp, like the rigid loop, or double-end halogen
[13:09:47] <Tom_itx> it's part of a dev board but can program external targets
[13:10:08] <Tom_itx> may not support the low V necessary for the spartain
[13:10:11] <furrywolf> I'm running the genny at full load now, seems to be working... 21A into my inverter, plus a 300W halogen shoplight. it's rated for 23.3A continuous.
[13:10:28] <mozmck> I don't know - the xilinx site would probably tell you.
[13:10:30] <Tom_itx> mozmck which one did you get?
[13:10:47] <Tom_itx> i'm gettin a chinese knockoff... hope it works ok
[13:10:50] <zeeshan> furrywolf: you can run a welder off that :P
[13:10:56] <mozmck> I found one of the newest ones on Ebay for a good price
[13:11:13] <mozmck> DLC10
[13:12:01] <fogl> Tom_itx, parallel port cable works fine with spartan6, i use it on my linux machine
[13:12:02] <mozmck> I bet one of the DLC9 knockoffs would work fine. The firmware gets uploaded to the cable from impact I think, so all they have to do is get the hardware right.
[13:12:05] <zeeshan> http://www.sayal.com/images_c/BKAE-6320.JPG http://www.sayal.com/images_c/BKCC-1510.JPG
[13:12:08] <zeeshan> why cant i just use these
[13:12:26] <zeeshan> http://www.sayal.com/images_c/BKP-134.JPG
[13:12:31] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Xilinx-Platform-USB-Download-Cable-Jtag-Programmer-for-FPGA-CPLD-C-Mod-XC2C64A-/390809652326?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5afe120c66
[13:12:33] <zeeshan> http://www.sayal.com/images_c/BKR-411.JPG
[13:12:36] <Tom_itx> that's what i'm getting
[13:13:46] <Tom_itx> says it does spartain
[13:14:07] <mozmck> That looks pretty nice - cables and all. The DLC9G is a little older than the DLC10, but I don't really know the difference.
[13:14:51] <Tom_itx> probably not much
[13:15:10] <Tom_itx> too bad i can't use atmel jtag
[13:15:24] <Tom_itx> i've got one i've maybe used once
[13:15:49] <furrywolf> zeeshan: I have two eu3000ises now... and a set of parallel cables. I can put out 46.6A continuous. :P
[13:16:06] <furrywolf> I had two of them before, but I lent someone one, and it got stolen from their house.
[13:16:49] <zeeshan> Kapton is a polyimide film developed by DuPont that remains stable across a wide range of temperatures, from −269 to +400 °C
[13:16:57] <zeeshan> this is what i need!
[13:17:08] <Tom_itx> makes good paste masks too
[13:17:19] <furrywolf> this one isn't done... I just put it back together for enough of a minimally-functional configuration to verify the generator end was good.
[13:17:46] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Stencils/stencils.jpg
[13:17:54] <furrywolf> the block is held together with silicone. someone twisted a little too hard on the oil drain plug, and snapped the bung off the block
[13:17:54] <zeeshan> thats kapton?
[13:17:59] <Tom_itx> yes
[13:18:16] <furrywolf> it also needs the valves adjusted, a new pullstart cord, and a battery.
[13:18:18] <zeeshan> now to figure out how to attach it.
[13:18:22] <zeeshan> bolt it to aluminum angle
[13:18:23] <Tom_itx> it's expensive too
[13:18:28] <Tom_itx> $300/lb
[13:18:55] <zeeshan> i just need tape
[13:18:58] <zeeshan> its like 50 bux
[13:18:59] <furrywolf> I have two other eu3000ises that are in various states of being torn apart... going to steal a rear block half off one of them. no working batteries, though.
[13:19:32] <furrywolf> kapton tape is widely used for aviation. try your local airport maintenance shop if you just need a little bit.
[13:19:42] <zeeshan> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/5419%20GOLD%201%2F2IN%20X%2036YD/3M591912-ND/59550
[13:19:44] <zeeshan> was looking at this
[13:19:50] <zeeshan> says rated for 260C
[13:19:51] <zeeshan> will work
[13:20:30] <furrywolf> yes. if you want to get it done in 4 days, check local suppliers. heh.
[13:20:35] <zeeshan> made by 3m
[13:20:37] <zeeshan> so i can get it free
[13:20:43] <zeeshan> since they are sponsoring us
[13:21:03] <Tom_itx> i've gotten alot of free 3M stuff
[13:21:17] <Tom_itx> sanding discs, absorbent material etc
[13:21:23] <zeeshan> how do i USE THIS FILM!!!
[13:21:26] <zeeshan> witrh my bulb!!
[13:21:29] <furrywolf> I've gotten no free 3m stuff.
[13:21:34] <Tom_itx> bud of mine made machines for them to cut the stuff out
[13:23:56] <furrywolf> no one gives me anything. I have to work for everything I have. heh.
[13:24:16] <zeeshan> thats how life is
[13:24:23] <zeeshan> i havent gotten free stuff ever in my life for my own use
[13:24:36] <zeeshan> maybe cotton candy at a fair
[13:24:37] <zeeshan> :p
[13:26:41] <furrywolf> can we please kill ebay sellers who list the same item hundreds of times? http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ssn=security-alarm-batteries&hash=item43da3d6003&item=291424264195&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xytx9.TRS0&_nkw=ytx9&_sacat=0 like that guy
[13:27:17] <furrywolf> he has the same fucking battery listed 250 times with slightly different titles, clogging up my search results.
[13:29:24] <zeeshan> i decided on how im gonna mount this light
[13:29:41] <zeeshan> put a layer of kapton on the surface where the bulb is
[13:29:48] <zeeshan> drill 2 holes large enough just to pass mg wire
[13:30:00] <zeeshan> solder bulb
[13:30:03] <zeeshan> pass wire. clamp wire
[13:30:05] <zeeshan> call it a day
[13:30:12] <zeeshan> might not even need kapton tape
[13:30:19] <furrywolf> kapton isn't a perfect material. check to make sure it maintains its structual/insulation properties at your application. it's had problems with causing aircraft fires...
[13:30:44] <furrywolf> cutting apart a $5 toaster might get you much sturdier material, locally.
[13:31:06] <zeeshan> i think mg wire and bulb is all i need
[13:31:40] <zeeshan> i just gonna get a thicker mg wire
[13:31:43] <zeeshan> so its not as flexible
[13:31:48] <zeeshan> i cant find solid wire.
[13:31:50] <furrywolf> mg wire?
[13:31:58] <zeeshan> http://www.mcmaster.com/#type-mg-wire/=xc4zrc
[13:34:11] <furrywolf> mcmaster appears to now have an annoying website that relies on javascript bloat to function
[13:34:41] <furrywolf> oven wire might well be found in the toaster you cut apart for the mounting. :P
[13:39:45] <furrywolf> I guess next step is to figure out which of the other two generators I'm going to steal the block half from.
[13:40:37] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I came in during the conversation, but why do you need kapton insulating tape for?
[13:40:39] <furrywolf> both have the heads off. one is also missing the inverter.
[13:40:50] <furrywolf> Jymmm: he's mounting a lamp inside his test chamber, at 260C
[13:41:23] <Jymmm> and cloth isnsulating tubing won't work?
[13:41:33] <Jymmm> Thermal^
[13:41:57] <zeeshan> link?
[13:42:08] <furrywolf> I suggested that already. I also suggested ripping apart an old toaster and using the board the element is on.
[13:42:13] <furrywolf> he wants the shiny aviation bits.
[13:42:42] <Jymmm> It's expensive, but I usually salvage it from broken toaster oven, coffee makers, hair dryers, etc
[13:42:59] <Jymmm> Aviation == $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[13:43:10] <furrywolf> he's spending other people's money.
[13:43:30] <furrywolf> the fiberglass sleeving is cheap at your local electric motor shop
[13:43:32] <Jymmm> Not FAA money,
[13:43:57] <Jymmm> zeeshan: hit thrift stores
[13:44:02] <Jymmm> yard sales, etc
[13:44:03] <furrywolf> the shop here just gives small amounts away because it's worth less than the sheet of paper the invoice would be printed on. :P
[13:44:31] <Jymmm> Hell, buy new and strip for materal
[13:44:40] <Jymmm> OH fog lights have it too
[13:45:07] <Jymmm> or any halogen bulb
[13:45:18] <Jymmm> or halogen fixture
[13:45:34] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxgizmos.com/fpga-add-on-boards-support-raspberry-pi-beaglebone-black/
[13:45:51] <CaptHindsight> The Logi-Boards, which integrate Xilinx SPARTAN-6 XC6SLX9 FPGAs
[13:47:08] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Can you post a photo of what you are trying to thermally insulate?
[13:47:28] * furrywolf introduces jymm to his irc client's scrollback feature
[13:47:56] <Jymmm> Yeah, not gonna hapen.
[13:49:21] <Jymmm> and I mean the "chamber"
[13:49:51] <zeeshan> hi jymm
[13:50:38] <Jymmm> zeeshan: ih
[13:50:47] <zeeshan> gimme a couple mins, ill post one
[13:50:56] <Jymmm> k
[13:51:47] <SpeedEvil> Is this an oxygen-free atmosphere?
[13:52:12] <furrywolf> no
[13:55:03] <Jymmm> Wood is an excellent thermal insulator - just like the wooden handle on my 1200F Webber bbq
[13:56:33] <furrywolf> yes, go expose your handle to a continuous 260C and let us know how it does.
[13:56:50] <Jymmm> 1200F > 290C
[13:57:32] <furrywolf> the metal on your bbq is not at 1200F, and the handle is probably mounted on standoffs.
[13:57:57] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Goony goo goo
[14:01:14] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: no
[14:01:33] <zeeshan> http://gyazo.com/4e28fcdb3d91279b09705d8b4240028c
[14:01:37] <zeeshan> this animation shows how i want the bulbs placed
[14:01:46] <zeeshan> and you can see the small two holes im ade in the angle aluminum
[14:01:57] <zeeshan> to shove the fiberglass insulated wire through
[14:02:41] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Ok, so the area around the light source is thermally insulated form the "chamber" and you just need to deal with the electrical aspects?
[14:03:10] <Jymmm> from*
[14:04:01] <zeeshan> the light is seeing the same temp as the chamber
[14:04:05] <zeeshan> -10 to 260C
[14:04:17] <zeeshan> i just need a good way to mount the bulb
[14:04:23] <zeeshan> right now its just dangling on wire :P
[14:04:34] <zeeshan> pcb board melts too easily
[14:04:35] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Have you considered cermic light sockets?
[14:04:42] <zeeshan> yes, but they are hard to find..
[14:04:44] <zeeshan> locally
[14:04:45] <zeeshan> and quickly!
[14:04:56] <Jymmm> zeeshan: What type of bulb/socket?
[14:05:09] <Jymmm> Wattage?
[14:05:27] <zeeshan> im lookin at 24VDC 20W bulbs
[14:05:36] <Jymmm> quantity?
[14:05:38] <zeeshan> 24vdc so i dont have to buy multiple power supplies
[14:05:47] <zeeshan> id like to get like 10 bulbs at least
[14:05:49] <zeeshan> just incase they blow up
[14:06:06] <Jymmm> so ten 20W bulbs at the same time?
[14:06:27] <Jymmm> Are these bulb for heat or optical purposes?
[14:07:08] <zeeshan> optical
[14:07:38] <Jymmm> Why not use household appliance oven bulbs?
[14:07:48] <zeeshan> sigh
[14:07:58] <zeeshan> i just need a way to mount the halogen bulb i showed earlier
[14:08:04] <zeeshan> better than dangling
[14:08:06] <zeeshan> if ther isnt one
[14:08:09] <zeeshan> im gonna leave it dangling
[14:08:13] <Jymmm> they are intended to withstand the heat.
[14:08:21] <zeeshan> i know, and they are really hard to source
[14:08:27] <Jymmm> Whats the PN of the ghalogen bulb?
[14:08:32] <Jymmm> -g
[14:08:33] <PetefromTn_> Hey guys
[14:08:34] <zeeshan> http://www.bulbtown.com/JC20_FR_24V_20_WATT_24_VOLT_FROST_JC_HALOGEN_G4_p/jc5517f.htm
[14:08:52] <PetefromTn_> HOWZITGOIN
[14:08:59] <zeeshan> howdy!
[14:09:15] <PetefromTn_> Hey zeeshan
[14:09:18] <Jymmm> zeeshan: what city you in?
[14:09:24] <zeeshan> hamilton ,on
[14:09:45] <PetefromTn_> I have been sitting here trying to think of the name for a piece of hardware I need so I can search for it
[14:09:56] <PetefromTn_> but so far I got nothin' LOL
[14:14:09] <PetefromTn_> I am redoing the liner in my swimming pool and got it all buttoned up now. The pool has some of those wedding cake stairs that have PVC pipe handrails that loop up from the stairs and onto the deck of the pool. It came with some plastic deck mounts but I have seen aluminum ones you screw to the deck. I need a pair of those...hehe
[14:14:55] <PetefromTn_> pretty sure you can get them at a box hardware store but cannot think of what they would be called..
[14:15:29] <Jymmm> zeeshan: http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-80054-Miniature-Incandescent-Lampholder/sim/B0036ZA93Y/2
[14:18:44] <Jymmm> zeeshan: These look to be rated at 100W http://www.amazon.com/Onite-MR16-Socket-Holder-Common/dp/B006TVMHT6/
[14:19:49] <Jymmm> 6 for $8
[14:20:29] <Jymmm> and UL Listed too
[14:20:35] <zeeshan> how do you mount that holder
[14:20:37] <zeeshan> the first link
[14:20:49] <zeeshan> or even the second one
[14:20:51] <Jymmm> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xCHrQrntL._SL1000_.jpg
[14:20:56] <zeeshan> ah
[14:20:57] <Jymmm> two screws
[14:21:08] <Jymmm> just dont' over torque
[14:23:06] <Jymmm> DO NOT shorten the leads, and use mechanical fastener.
[14:24:56] <Jymmm> Interesting, never saw ceramic wire nuts before... http://www.amazon.com/Supco-Series-Porcelain-18-14-Small/dp/B0071OXMVW
[14:25:21] <Jymmm> maybe crimp connection
[14:25:53] <Jymmm> err porcelain I mean
[14:26:22] <Jymmm> Nice.... "porcelain wire nut withstands temperatures up to 1,800 degrees F"
[14:29:04] <zeeshan> that is bad ass
[14:29:11] <Jymmm> ?
[14:29:57] <zeeshan> the ceramic wire nut
[14:29:58] <zeeshan> https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/3076/MR11CG-10115.html
[14:30:04] <zeeshan> btw those mr11 bulbs dont look like they will work
[14:30:13] <zeeshan> im pretty sure it has plastic components
[14:30:59] <Jymmm> You said G4 bulbs
[14:31:06] <zeeshan> oh
[14:31:08] <zeeshan> its for BOTH
[14:31:08] <zeeshan> nm
[14:31:44] <zeeshan> that second link doesnt use mg wire
[14:31:46] <Jymmm> and why you looking at 1000bulbs? You said you need it quick and amazon offers one day shipping
[14:31:47] <zeeshan> cant be rated high
[14:32:04] <zeeshan> amazon.com doesnt ship to canada..
[14:35:04] <Jymmm> zeeshan: http://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=G4%20Lamp%20Socket
[14:35:20] <zeeshan> they use regular wire..
[14:35:22] <zeeshan> not fiberglass
[14:35:28] <Jymmm> bullshit
[14:35:37] <zeeshan> look at the pics
[14:36:03] <zeeshan> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517gzksyksL._SL1000_.jpg
[14:36:04] <zeeshan> 180C
[14:36:09] <Jymmm> zeeshan: READ "silica gel wire" http://www.amazon.ca/Xpeoo%C2%AE-Socket-Halogen-Ceramic-Connector/dp/B00MIR0MF6/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1432581138&sr=8-7&keywords=G4+Lamp+Socket
[14:36:16] <zeeshan> dude
[14:36:19] <zeeshan> it says right on the wire.
[14:36:20] <zeeshan> 180C
[14:36:54] <Jymmm> bah wrong link...
[14:38:52] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Well whatever, you can do your own research now that you have a direction.
[14:38:56] <zeeshan> lol
[14:39:04] <zeeshan> no offence, but i already came across all this
[14:39:20] <zeeshan> i could not find easily a combination that can take that temp
[14:39:24] <zeeshan> thats why iwas gonna leave it dangling.
[14:53:16] <t12> how about mr16 bulbs
[14:53:31] <t12> with the integrated mount and pins just sticking out
[14:57:25] <t12> also seems to be therese and their variants
[14:57:26] <t12> http://www.amazon.ca/HELLA-H83115001-H1-Halogen-Bulb/dp/B000CO9FF0/
[14:57:37] <t12> where it just has a spade and you can use whatever mount you want
[14:57:42] <t12> their flange would prolly take a little adapting
[15:08:14] <zeeshan> yes that is like car bulbs
[15:08:19] <zeeshan> the the problem is how do you mount it?
[15:08:25] <zeeshan> at an angle
[15:08:33] <zeeshan> originally iwas thinking using some sort of car bulbs
[15:08:34] <zeeshan> that were only 20W
[15:11:59] <zeeshan> im gonna look into using mirrors as well
[15:12:05] <zeeshan> might not need any of this at all :P
[15:12:58] <t12> angle where?
[15:13:04] <t12> not clear in your animation
[15:13:27] <t12> oh wait i see
[15:13:30] <t12> they're just small
[15:13:47] <t12> just weld a bit of plate in on the angle legs or smth
[15:14:29] <t12> are you expecting directionality
[15:15:14] <t12> i'm hyped i can use the rangerfinder focus on this camera backwards
[15:15:31] <t12> shine a laser through it and you get two dots that merge at the focal plane on the subject
[15:17:49] <zeeshan> you know youre right
[15:17:55] <zeeshan> i could just make a sleeve out of metal for it
[15:18:02] <zeeshan> and and lightly shove it in
[15:18:13] <t12> or just take plate
[15:18:14] <t12> cut a hole
[15:18:23] <t12> drill two holes in their weirdo mounting flange and screw it down
[15:18:57] <t12> i mean one whole for the contact, and then the matching holes for the holddown
[15:19:09] <zeeshan> yea
[15:19:16] <t12> but i guess i'm also asking is the 45degrees meaningfdul
[15:19:27] <t12> a bare bulb is gonna give you some weird radiation pattern
[15:19:28] <zeeshan> well it stops the light from causing hot spots
[15:19:36] <zeeshan> its a frosted bulb
[15:19:42] <t12> ahh
[15:19:43] <zeeshan> so should help diffuse a bit
[15:21:00] <t12> are you worried about the lamp heat messing the wire up
[15:21:07] <t12> or is the thing otherwise heated
[15:21:14] <zeeshan> im worried that at 260C
[15:21:29] <zeeshan> a lot of wire cant handle that temp except mg wire
[15:21:43] <furrywolf> which bulb are you looking at? also, online won't be done this week.
[15:21:53] <t12> remember those bulbs are used in all kidns of applications
[15:21:54] <zeeshan> so silver solder directly to bulb lead
[15:21:59] <t12> like the 120v home halogens get HOT
[15:22:03] <t12> but dont use particularly special wire
[15:22:12] <t12> arclamp bulbs seem to usually be silicone (thick) wire
[15:22:16] <zeeshan> t12 usually the wire is in a diff chamber
[15:22:18] <zeeshan> like for ovens
[15:22:23] <t12> sec for exampole
[15:22:24] <zeeshan> furrywolf: whatever i can find locally
[15:22:43] <t12> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41cgE8QYTwL._SY300_.jpg
[15:22:48] <t12> like these arclamps
[15:22:53] <t12> they get HOT and the wires are directly mounted
[15:23:00] <zeeshan> yes but ther wire is usually in ambient
[15:23:02] <zeeshan> not at 2600C
[15:23:03] <zeeshan> er
[15:23:04] <zeeshan> 260C
[15:23:12] <t12> yeah but its metallicaly connected to the heat
[15:23:24] <furrywolf> frosted bulbs are uncommon at might be hard to find locally
[15:23:33] <zeeshan> furrywolf: ill frost em myself :D
[15:23:33] <furrywolf> and you don't want to use any bulb with soldered ends...
[15:23:47] <t12> i guess i'm saying if its an expiremental/short use rig
[15:23:54] <t12> you may be able to get away with not insane wiring
[15:24:04] <t12> i guess if mg wire and high temp silicone wire cost the same it doesnt really matter
[15:24:06] <zeeshan> i think before i get all into this bulb stuff, im gonna experiment with mirrors
[15:24:16] <zeeshan> 25 foot of wire is like $50 for mg wire
[15:24:17] <t12> do you just need to light the inside or something
[15:24:23] <zeeshan> yes
[15:24:25] <t12> or is the light special
[15:24:31] <zeeshan> just light the inside
[15:24:38] * furrywolf puts on Iron Maiden - Dream of Mirrors
[15:24:38] <t12> just get some led bulbs or smth
[15:24:48] <zeeshan> theyll melt :P
[15:24:55] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Lqv4vFV.jpg
[15:24:59] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/qgMOauP.jpg
[15:25:02] <zeeshan> i need nice lighting!
[15:25:07] <t12> oooh
[15:25:14] <t12> ok yeah if the whole thing is heated
[15:26:15] <zeeshan> i have some polished pieces of stainless
[15:26:26] <zeeshan> im gonna try moving them around kinda in the area where the bulbs are
[15:26:30] <zeeshan> and shine line from one of the openings
[15:26:32] <zeeshan> and see what happens
[15:26:47] <t12> is the light just for imaging
[15:26:51] <zeeshan> yes
[15:27:02] <t12> and you image through that window
[15:27:08] <zeeshan> it uses direct image correlation to pick up strain
[15:27:11] <zeeshan> yes
[15:27:24] <t12> could just mount something REALLY BRIGHT outside the window and point it in?
[15:27:30] <t12> is there a window on top there
[15:27:36] <zeeshan> no window in top
[15:27:38] <zeeshan> but i can make one
[15:27:38] <t12> where the lkamp is pointed
[15:27:48] <zeeshan> its usually closed with a fiberglass insulator
[15:27:52] <zeeshan> er
[15:27:54] <zeeshan> a bricket
[15:27:56] <zeeshan> .. brick!
[15:28:01] <t12> how hot does the outside surface get
[15:28:03] <t12> of that box
[15:28:06] <zeeshan> not much at all
[15:28:09] <zeeshan> pretty much ambient
[15:28:13] <t12> yeah i'd just illuminate through that window
[15:28:18] <zeeshan> i cant
[15:28:25] <zeeshan> not the front windoiw, it causes reflections to happen
[15:28:27] <zeeshan> and hot spots
[15:28:37] <t12> from the outside face of the window?
[15:28:40] <zeeshan> yes
[15:28:45] <zeeshan> i tried with different lights
[15:28:47] <t12> just foil those parts off?
[15:28:49] <zeeshan> diffuse light, regular bulb
[15:28:49] <zeeshan> etc
[15:28:54] <t12> or put a little blocker on the inside
[15:29:03] <t12> that keeps direct reflection from window -> subject
[15:29:11] <furrywolf> bbl, off to hardware store for some rope to fix the pullstart
[15:29:12] <t12> makes all paths reflect off the inside of the box
[15:29:37] <t12> but yeah if you have an alternate easy light port
[15:29:39] <t12> vs putting bulbs inside
[15:29:39] <zeeshan> well when i added that lamp to simulate lighting from inside
[15:29:42] <zeeshan> all the problems went away
[15:29:46] <t12> extra light is cheap
[15:29:58] <t12> and preventing specular is just about making it diffuse right
[15:31:05] <zeeshan> if i can align the exterior light
[15:31:12] <t12> got an example hotspot image?
[15:31:19] <zeeshan> to be perpendicular
[15:31:29] <zeeshan> and use diffuse light
[15:31:55] <zeeshan> i dunno nm
[15:31:56] <zeeshan> :P
[15:31:59] <zeeshan> no i dont
[15:32:07] <zeeshan> it just trips the cameras out inthe software
[15:32:25] <zeeshan> you can change the exposure time to reduce the hot spots
[15:32:33] <zeeshan> but then other spots become too dark :P
[15:34:05] <CaptHindsight> an incandescent lamp will work without any issues
[15:34:17] <zeeshan> thats what im using..
[15:34:20] <zeeshan> in that black lamp in the pic
[15:34:24] <zeeshan> it causes issues
[15:34:33] <CaptHindsight> ok, so next topic..... :)
[15:34:43] <t12> i think his problem is specular reflections on the outside window -> camera
[15:34:56] <zeeshan> t12 exactly
[15:34:57] <zeeshan> lol
[15:35:05] <CaptHindsight> so move the lamp
[15:35:07] <zeeshan> the cameras start imaging my face instead of the specimen
[15:35:16] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: you dont think i tried? ;-)
[15:35:23] <CaptHindsight> no I don't
[15:35:26] <zeeshan> hush
[15:35:27] <t12> lool
[15:35:56] <zeeshan> im not open on the choice of exterior lighting vs interior
[15:36:06] <zeeshan> i want interior, now its just a matter of how :P
[15:36:14] <zeeshan> bulbs seem viable, just mounting is a pain
[15:36:22] <zeeshan> mg wire can easily handle 24vdc, 450C
[15:36:33] <zeeshan> other option is mirrors. will try mirrors first
[15:36:37] <CaptHindsight> silicon insulated wire
[15:36:54] <zeeshan> only rated for 180C
[15:37:08] <zeeshan> mg wire basically fiberglass wire similar if not same as thermocouple wire
[15:37:15] <zeeshan> *basically is
[15:37:21] <CaptHindsight> just use a high temp silicon
[15:37:37] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: grr
[15:37:40] <t12> lol
[15:37:42] <zeeshan> the wire type isn't up for debate
[15:37:49] <t12> just get some plutonium and put it in a cup
[15:37:52] <CaptHindsight> not silicone wire from the store
[15:37:53] <t12> and image from the cherenkov radiation
[15:37:54] <CaptHindsight> just make it
[15:38:03] <zeeshan> let me just put 2 tubes of mercury
[15:38:08] <zeeshan> for my electrical conenctions to the bulb!
[15:38:15] <t12> just start a magnesium fire inside the box
[15:38:20] <t12> and run the expirement
[15:38:22] <zeeshan> haha
[15:38:25] <zeeshan> HAHA
[15:38:29] <zeeshan> thats actually a good one
[15:38:30] <t12> yeah just toss a flare in there
[15:38:30] <XXCoder> bright. lol\
[15:38:37] <zeeshan> hahaha
[15:39:04] <zeeshan> wait, isn't there those species that live at the lava vents at the bottom of the ocean floor
[15:39:07] <zeeshan> that survive at like 300C?
[15:39:10] <zeeshan> and they glow?
[15:39:13] <t12> loll
[15:39:15] <zeeshan> hahah
[15:39:15] <t12> extremophile lighting
[15:40:14] <zeeshan> Hydrothermal vents were discovered deep in the ocean and under such high pressure that the water boils at 340°C. It was a surprise to researchers to discover bacteria living and thriving in the vents at such extreme temperatures and pressure
[15:40:15] <zeeshan> yep
[15:40:18] <zeeshan> those bastards will work
[15:40:35] <zeeshan> anyone got a sub?
[15:40:59] <CaptHindsight> seafloor bacteria insulation
[15:41:38] <CaptHindsight> or just genetically modify them to glow and you won't need the lamp
[15:41:54] <zeeshan> haha
[15:43:45] <zeeshan> so yesterday i learned the hard way
[15:43:57] <zeeshan> when using two toe clamps, make sure there are no burrs on your part :[
[15:44:07] <zeeshan> part shifted by 50 thou
[15:45:08] <t12> just always deburr everything before handling
[15:45:17] <zeeshan> sometimes you get lazy :P
[15:45:29] <zeeshan> speaking of deburring
[15:45:30] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/tiN7adw.jpg
[15:45:35] <zeeshan> when you have steps like that
[15:45:42] <zeeshan> that edge is a pain in the ass to deburr..
[15:45:45] <zeeshan> i dont have a triangle tool
[15:48:26] <XXCoder> cant use 45 campfer?
[15:48:27] <Tom_itx> chamfer tool in the cnc silly
[15:48:32] <XXCoder> just barely touch edge
[15:48:40] <zeeshan> who has time for chamfering on the cnc
[15:48:41] <zeeshan> not me
[15:48:42] <zeeshan> :D
[15:48:50] <Tom_itx> then stop bitchin
[15:48:56] <XXCoder> then go for figerbleeding and deburr tool lol
[15:54:01] <zeeshan> i guess i could do like a 0.004"x0.004" chamfer
[15:54:06] <zeeshan> at super high speed
[15:54:15] <Tom_itx> it would certainly be quicker
[15:55:00] <XXCoder> yeah
[15:55:24] <zeeshan> will set it up for anything i mill in the future
[15:56:50] <XXCoder> you guys know where your towel is at? it's towel day heh
[16:10:02] <Deejay> gn8
[16:15:11] <Tom_itx> XXCoder yes
[17:10:33] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: good lol
[17:22:34] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Is this a sorta JTAG adapter? http://www.sbprojects.com/projects/stk200/
[17:26:12] <malcom2073> Jymmm: That's an ISP, not a JTAG adapter
[17:26:24] <Jymmm> malcom2073: thanks
[17:27:28] <malcom2073> Jymmm: JTAG allows debugging typically, ISP's just allow reprogramming
[17:28:05] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Was just wondering if I got lucky and had a jtag all tis time is all =)
[17:28:17] <malcom2073> Doh heh
[17:29:54] <Jymmm> I have this other thing too, but can't find it... It sit on a 9V battery and has DIP and IEC header. I Think it's meant to clone w/o using a computer
[17:36:32] <Tom_itx> Jymmm oooo that's an old one
[17:36:43] <Tom_itx> 74xx244
[17:36:46] <Tom_itx> probably
[17:37:05] <Tom_itx> (that was before i scrolled..)
[17:37:15] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Heh, malcom2073 said it's an ISP, not JTAG
[17:37:25] <Tom_itx> it is ISP
[17:37:25] <Jymmm> =(
[17:37:33] <Tom_itx> an old parport one
[17:38:01] <Jymmm> It came with my STK200 form a LONG time ago =)
[17:39:44] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/avr/dragon/avricemkii.jpg
[17:39:47] <Tom_itx> that's jtag
[17:40:12] <Tom_itx> used as ISP
[17:40:42] <Jymmm> ah
[17:41:07] <Jymmm> I have no clue, might just need one to poke around some cellphones
[17:41:26] <Tom_itx> not all jtag are equal
[17:41:37] <Tom_itx> they _are_ but they _aren't_
[17:42:06] <Tom_itx> firmware varies
[17:42:26] <Jymmm> Just trying to unlock some cell device(s) is all
[17:43:07] <XXCoder> wish im any good with soldering
[17:43:13] <XXCoder> I'd have rooted my kindle by now
[17:43:38] <Jymmm> XXCoder: since when you ned to sodler?
[17:43:46] <XXCoder> kindle pw2 is unrootable
[17:44:02] <XXCoder> unless solder then modify os to be rooted
[17:44:13] <Jymmm> solder what?
[17:44:22] <XXCoder> jtag
[17:44:29] <XXCoder> or serial connection. forgot
[17:44:52] <Tom_itx> what does rooting get you?
[17:45:13] <XXCoder> ability to have custom pictures on sleep mode
[17:45:28] <XXCoder> theres more but I'm so dang sick of writing themed pictures!
[18:03:55] * Jymmm lol @ XXCoder
[18:07:56] <asdfasd> https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10305261_10152191547373981_4080207631145203181_n.jpg?oh=23940eb45f66a89a86544908a0a3e5c2&oe=55FD3EC2
[18:28:27] <XXCoder> hmm I remember someone here ordered soylent
[18:28:31] <XXCoder> forgot who
[18:35:54] <Jymmm> Soylent Green?
[18:36:04] <Jymmm> IT'S PEOPLE!!!!!
[18:36:16] <XXCoder> in book it isnt people
[18:37:16] <Jymmm> what is it then?
[18:37:18] <malcom2073> Buddy of mine uses it
[18:37:47] <malcom2073> He sprinkles it on random stuff, it's odd
[18:37:59] <Jymmm> I mean in the book XXCoder
[18:38:18] <XXCoder> yeah still trying to find it
[18:39:34] <malcom2073> soya and lentil
[18:39:39] <malcom2073> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_Room!_Make_Room!
[18:40:21] <XXCoder> oh
[18:40:35] <XXCoder> didnt know there was makeroom! book on wiki too lol
[18:42:12] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I took that screenshot just for you http://i.imgur.com/zsd1mii.png
[18:42:23] <XXCoder> lol
[18:42:33] <malcom2073> lol
[18:42:51] <Jymmm> Now, to turn off fucking CC =)
[18:43:09] <XXCoder> nahhh
[18:43:12] <XXCoder> you love cc lol
[18:43:32] <Jymmm> Only on foreighn films
[18:43:52] <Jymmm> It's a toggle otherwise
[18:45:12] <Jymmm> Geeeze, I have grapes of wrath in every frickin format
[18:45:26] <XXCoder> http://cdn3.cubiclebot.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/12.gif?724e2c
[18:47:06] <Jymmm> Yay, that got me 1.5GB back =)
[18:47:31] <furrywolf> http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2087/6582/original.jpg lol
[18:48:23] <XXCoder> agreed
[19:15:12] <furrywolf> a friend just stopped by... his truck failed in a very annoying fashion. he was letting someone drive it, and the steering wheel lock came on while he was driving. ended up off a hill in a tree.
[19:15:34] <furrywolf> was on the freeway, coming up on a corner, and the wheel just went CLICK and locked.
[19:16:24] <malcom2073> Wow heh, that's unfortunate
[19:16:27] <malcom2073> his buddy get hurt?
[19:17:12] <furrywolf> not seriously. he got on the brakes and went off pretty slowly it sounded like
[19:18:38] <zeeshan> what truck
[19:19:17] <furrywolf> '80s f-350
[19:19:39] <andypugh> Not my fault then. (phew)
[19:20:31] <andypugh> I guess the driver was too distracted to spot if the speedo was still working?
[19:20:52] <furrywolf> '80s fords have working speedos?
[19:21:02] <furrywolf> they all strip the drive gear. :)
[19:21:14] <andypugh> There should be a secondary interlock on the steering lock that stops it engaging if the vehicle is moving
[19:21:35] <malcom2073> Heh, my 2002 is missing that particular interlock as I found out
[19:21:38] <furrywolf> I've never seen such a thing, in ANY vehicle.
[19:21:54] <andypugh> Maybe that drive gear is more important than you think. (and more important than Ford seemed to think, too)
[19:22:01] <furrywolf> the steering lock is purely mechanical, worked by the key.
[19:22:17] <andypugh> Key? How quaint
[19:23:00] <andypugh> But you are right, I am failing to think 1980s
[19:24:15] <furrywolf> the pot metal ford used for the tilt mechanism and key mechanism is prone to wear and breakage on '80s ford trucks... probably someone abused the column at some point (crashed and driver slid into it, yanked too hard on it climbing into vehicle, etc) and it started cracking, and picked then to finish.
[19:25:01] <andypugh> furrywolf: Sounds like you got lucky on when your truck chose to die
[19:25:22] <furrywolf> subaru: tilt mechanism is entirely solid steel, with a fancy wear-compensating cam-actuated locking system. they NEVER get floppy. fords: they all flop around, because they're pins in pot metal with pot metal teeth holding it together...
[19:25:59] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/fuo/5042081111.html if I had some spare money, I'd totally get that.
[19:26:30] <andypugh> Ford are good at one thing, getting cost out while still working. Always have been. The Model T wasn’t a _good_ car.
[19:27:10] <furrywolf> '80s fords are overall pretty reliable... there's a LOT of them still on the road, usually with high milage.
[19:27:20] <furrywolf> well, their full-size platform, at least.
[19:27:24] <zeeshan> garbage
[19:27:29] <furrywolf> their car platform is crap. always has been.
[19:27:35] <furrywolf> fwd car
[19:28:03] <andypugh> furrywolf: I am missing something. It’s too horrible to be nice, and too expensive to be funny. And all my light fittings now have to be helicopter-prrof.
[19:28:05] <furrywolf> they may have a lot of problems, but it's kinda hard to argue with how many of them are still driving.
[19:28:23] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I do wonder if that's a case to sue
[19:28:29] <zeeshan> andypugh: working on a bike/car anymore? :p
[19:28:33] <furrywolf> helicopters belong OUTSIDE.
[19:28:55] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: A steering lock should be engineered to never, ever do that.
[19:29:25] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: knowing my friend and his friends, I'm sure it's due to abuse of some form. heh.
[19:29:40] <SpeedEvil> Well, fair enough in that case
[19:29:52] <SpeedEvil> I mean - if people have been trying to force the lock or ... all bets are off
[19:29:54] <andypugh> zeeshan: Did the valves on the 100k mile R1 today. 2 valves (out of 20) 0.01 over/under spec. But I decided that it was time for a new camchain and that’s going to be a long wait.
[19:30:12] <zeeshan> stretched valves?
[19:30:13] <furrywolf> now, the friend of a friend a few weeks ago who lost steering in town... that was the truck's fault. the ball joint on the end of the pitman arm should never fail.
[19:31:36] <andypugh> zeeshan: One big (0.26mm, spec is 0.21-0.25) an one small (0.10 spec 0.11-0.20)
[19:31:41] <furrywolf> andypugh: dunno, with a good set of shades and the missing crystals, that could be a nice chandelier...
[19:31:50] <zeeshan> nice
[19:32:06] <andypugh> It’s not a nice Chandelier unless you can swing on it
[19:32:31] <furrywolf> I need to adjust the valves on the honda generator I made work... but doing everything on it is a pain in the ass. those eu generators are packed TIGHT.
[19:32:35] <zeeshan> youre not suppsed to have sex on chandeliers! :P
[19:32:48] <andypugh> http://www.bodgesoc.org/Slaithwaite2/Hall3.JPG
[19:32:53] <furrywolf> I also need to change the pullstart rope... you have to remove the control panel, inverter, and half the housing just to get to it...
[19:33:01] <furrywolf> they make sex swings for that. :P
[19:33:12] <andypugh> Engineered for swinging on, while brandishing a sword. And tested. L-)
[19:34:23] <furrywolf> the owner's manual says to adjust the valves every so often, but doesn't give the procedure, saying it has to be performed by the dealer.
[19:35:12] <zeeshan> im gonna build some exhaust manifolds today
[19:35:24] <andypugh> That’s unusual. The Yamaha R1 manual explains everything, including how to query the PCM for error codes
[19:35:51] <andypugh> And valve checking is very well described
[19:36:06] <zeeshan> what year r1?
[19:36:07] <furrywolf> honda wants you to take everything to the dealer.
[19:36:19] <andypugh> (admittedly that is the service manual, not the owner’s manual)
[19:36:22] <zeeshan> i dont believe you furrywolf
[19:36:24] <andypugh> 2004
[19:36:29] <zeeshan> i have a cbr1000 manual
[19:36:31] <zeeshan> its very well detailed
[19:36:41] <zeeshan> factory service manual
[19:37:03] <furrywolf> honda's generator manuals are like the ones that come in the glovebox of their cars... entirely useless.
[19:37:28] <andypugh> Maybe Honda trust motorcycle owners to own more spanners that generator owners. Which seems fair
[19:37:31] <furrywolf> you have to buy the shop manual for any details
[19:37:45] <zeeshan> thats the case with any thing...
[19:37:49] <zeeshan> :P
[19:38:11] <zeeshan> hey do you have a service manual for the subie? 2009 model
[19:38:17] <zeeshan> i have this manual.. but it seems like a partial manual
[19:38:30] <zeeshan> like it has no circuit diagrams or anything
[19:38:41] <zeeshan> unless subie does it differently.
[19:38:43] <furrywolf> no, too new
[19:38:47] <zeeshan> ok nm
[19:38:48] <zeeshan> i lied
[19:39:00] <zeeshan> its 3600+ pages i didnt look hard enough
[19:39:02] <zeeshan> there are no bookmarks..
[19:39:02] <furrywolf> lol
[19:41:19] <andypugh> 3600 pages isn’t _everything_ I have 40,000 pges just for the ECU on my cars
[19:41:37] <zeeshan> well im comparing it to most manual
[19:41:50] <zeeshan> my camaro manual is about 3000 pages, mitsu is around 4000
[19:41:54] <zeeshan> this is in the same ball park
[19:41:55] <andypugh> Yes, I do have the absolute definitive one :-)
[19:41:57] <zeeshan> has all the info you need
[19:43:15] <andypugh> Hmmm, would it be crazy to stop working for Ford and start doing the same job for JCB because JCB is nearer to where caves are?
[19:43:28] <zeeshan> jcb?
[19:43:46] <Tom_itx> chatty bunch for 40k pages for an ECU :)
[19:43:51] <_methods> you a spelunker?
[19:43:53] <furrywolf> with a jcb you can make your own cave. :P
[19:44:48] <furrywolf> anyone ever set the valves on an eu3000is? I'm guessing set them cold, like most engines?
[19:45:20] <andypugh> _methods: I was until I moved to Essex, yes
[19:45:33] <_methods> heheh reverse mountain climbing
[19:45:43] <andypugh> Used to be 3x a week, now < 3x a year
[19:45:56] * furrywolf has never been spelunking
[19:46:23] <furrywolf> closest I've ever been is taking the mammoth caverns tourist-grade tour, where they have a nice lighted path and a guide at the rear that prods you if you try to fall behind the front guide.
[19:46:23] <_methods> my mom recently moved to arizona and i've been meaning to go visit out there, lots of caves
[19:46:38] <norias> the one cave near where i grew up
[19:46:46] <norias> didn't need guides when i was younger
[19:46:48] <furrywolf> we had to work HARD to slip around him. :P
[19:46:53] <norias> they just gave you a helmet
[19:46:58] <norias> and said if you weren't back in 24 hours
[19:46:59] <andypugh> if you have never been down a cave, then you are not a caver. It’s not so much a sport as an urge.
[19:47:07] <norias> they'd send a search party
[19:47:18] * furrywolf has never had that urge
[19:47:25] <XXCoder> I went to ape cave few times
[19:47:28] <norias> it's a good time
[19:47:28] <XXCoder> I love it
[19:47:35] <XXCoder> its a old lava tube
[19:47:39] <furrywolf> I'd have much more fun designing a laser scanning system to accurately map a cave... :P
[19:47:53] <norias> accurate maps would take out the fun!
[19:47:58] <XXCoder> can go there year around because its always same, just bring bag to carry winter coat if going in winter
[19:48:00] <andypugh> Ah, yes, there is a cross-over
[19:48:17] <andypugh> http://www.freesteel.co.uk/wpblog/frontpage/
[19:48:23] <andypugh> CAM and caves
[19:49:03] <furrywolf> bbl, pulling apart half the generator to change the pull cord
[19:49:13] <andypugh> Seems like they part-wrote HSM-works and also do laser cave surveys
[19:53:19] <norias> hmm
[19:53:24] <norias> could be a neat site
[19:55:43] <norias> i think..
[19:55:47] <norias> i'm not entirely happy
[19:55:51] <norias> unless every so often
[19:55:59] <norias> i'm pretty convinced i'm about to die
[19:56:19] <norias> unless i get in to some situation
[19:56:20] <norias> where i think
[19:56:36] <norias> "yup, you done it now. say goodbye."
[20:00:38] <andypugh> norias: I think I know what you mean, but that’s rather an extreme way to put it, unless you are at the speed-free-climb and wingsuit-down end of the spectrum.
[20:01:16] <norias> hmm.
[20:01:25] <norias> maybe it does sound extreme
[20:01:40] <norias> good point
[20:01:48] <norias> but there were a couple times in caves
[20:01:54] <norias> where i thought i wasn't making it out
[20:02:00] <SpeedEvil> Laser cave survey is boring
[20:02:05] <norias> i can think of a ton of cases in my life
[20:02:08] <norias> where this is true
[20:02:12] <SpeedEvil> just wind up the power by a factor of a trillion, and do laser cave digging
[20:02:39] <SpeedEvil> 'you wanted us to map it, great, it is now a simple spherical hole'
[20:03:53] <andypugh> norias: Does this make your palms sweat? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e0yXMa708Y
[20:04:41] <andypugh> (at 1:14 he has no points of contact. He’s dead now. )
[20:05:00] <norias> andypugh: that looks like fun
[20:05:13] <norias> although, i am in nowhere near the physical condition for it
[20:05:21] <andypugh> Yeah, if I was, I might
[20:05:27] <norias> i'm actually collecting all the gear for doing it
[20:05:28] <andypugh> But probably not
[20:05:29] <norias> with ropes
[20:05:42] <norias> i see that as step one
[20:05:50] <norias> that gets you in the right condition for that stuff
[20:07:05] <andypugh> i ride fast bikes, the penalty for error is potentially the same (though when free climbing you never end up paying the farmer to rebuild his wall and calling the RAC)
[20:07:17] <norias> heh
[20:07:23] <norias> fast bikes are a good time, too
[20:12:53] <andypugh> I am not that much into adrenaline sports. I cave because I _really_ want to see where the water goes. (or where it came from). It’s a really strong drive. This is going to sound odd, but if there was a pretty girl next to a cave entrance and I had a choice of seeing the cave or seeing the girl with no clothes, it would be the cave, every time. (If the girl was actually keen for me to actually touch her, then the balanc
[20:12:54] <andypugh> shifts, I am not that strange)
[20:13:35] <norias> hah
[20:17:09] <andypugh> Though it was interesting when I tried sailing. Some folk on the crew were scared to go to the bow in heavy weather. It never frightend me, I just didn’t fancy another week in wet underpants
[20:18:39] <andypugh> To be fair to those who were scrared, we were 2000 miles from land, so being washed overboard would be a concern,
[20:20:05] <andypugh> Inicidently, Dan Osman didn’t die climing, he died doing his own sort of bungie jumping (1200 ft and climbing rope) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2cXB_t9fck
[20:20:20] <jdh> what if there is no water
[20:20:53] <SpeedEvil> jdh: sailing is then rather safer
[20:20:58] <SpeedEvil> slower though
[20:21:29] <jdh> I meant caves
[20:22:26] <andypugh> I like caveswith water more. But knowing where the water went last ice-age has its own interest
[20:24:52] <jdh> they are bettrr when you can swim through them
[20:25:33] <andypugh> Back to Dan Osman, at 11:00 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2cXB_t9fck he does mess up, but has enough left to recover. I supect he loved that.
[20:27:44] <andypugh> jdh: I always resisted cave-diving as the wrong end of the risk/effort spectrum
[20:28:33] <XXCoder> andypugh: theres few risk-free but fun caves like wahsington state ape cave
[20:28:48] <XXCoder> theres only few slightly risky spots
[20:29:10] <jdh> there is much that can be done to reduce the risk.
[20:29:18] <XXCoder> theres one spot that has 4 to 5 foot drop so you cant go alone
[20:29:44] <XXCoder> bring 2 led flashlights and one real shitty led flashlight to give to idiots with not enough flashlight
[20:30:23] <XXCoder> I met one family with one flashlight and dead lanern
[20:30:26] <XXCoder> idiots.
[20:30:26] <andypugh> XXCoder: You may be misunderstanding me. i have dug in caves held up by wooden props put in by Romans when I was looking for more cave.
[20:30:44] <XXCoder> oh lol
[20:31:16] <andypugh> I was always more a digger than a diver, is what I was saying.
[20:31:52] <XXCoder> nice
[20:32:13] <jdh> I am more of a diver than digger
[20:32:29] <XXCoder> im more of walker than diver lol
[20:39:11] <furrywolf> ok, someone at honda needs to be hurt. so far all I've managed to do is GET TO THE PULL CORD. that's it. I have a pile of over 30 parts.
[20:39:58] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:40:09] <SpeedEvil> finger shields/....?
[20:40:45] <furrywolf> to get to the pull cord, you have to remove the end panel, the entire control panel, the inverter, parts of the wiring harness, the starter housing, the electric start drive gears, THREE, count em, THREE clutches, a left-hand bolt (fortunately I know what the feel of a bolt tightening instead of sticking is!), some springs,...
[20:41:19] <andypugh> furrywolf: Some time later you will find how many of those parts were really needed
[20:42:04] <furrywolf> and one you've removed all that, the main spring tries to sproing, so you have to hold it by hand the entire time... except the holes you have to feed the string through are exactly the same size as the string, so you have to trim the end at an angle before heating it and carefully rolling it into a point...
[20:42:08] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/fascia.jpg furrywolf (500k)
[20:42:22] <andypugh> (and the end of a crfank is one place where a left-hand thread is very much fair)
[20:42:23] <SpeedEvil> This was a 5 minute job, according to the haynes manual
[20:42:45] <furrywolf> heh
[20:42:58] <furrywolf> the first step on changing the blower motor on my bmw was "remove dashboard".
[20:43:01] <SpeedEvil> It turned out - after of course I poked the heater control panel inside the dashboard - that my model did not in fact have the required cutout to retrieve it that the manual said
[20:43:10] <andypugh> SpeedEvil: If you blow the pre-installed explosibe bolts>
[20:43:28] <SpeedEvil> fortunately, the manual was also incorrect, in that I did not actually need to remove the steering wheel to get the dash off
[20:43:51] <furrywolf> andypugh: it's not on the end of the crank.
[20:44:06] <furrywolf> it's on one of the clutches inside the starter assembley.
[20:44:18] <andypugh> furrywolf: But it is probably running the wrong way
[20:44:43] <andypugh> And I bet that Honda marked the bolt so you knew
[20:45:09] <furrywolf> yes, I know why they use left-hand bolts... it's just very annoying to randomly find one in the middle of something.
[20:45:09] <furrywolf> no, it's not marked in any way.
[20:45:34] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: it is
[20:45:35] <andypugh> Not like: https://www.belmetric.com/images/LB12x70F-Left-M12-Hand-Bolt-Metric-Hardened-Hex.jpg
[20:45:56] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: Once the bolt is removed, if you look at the seating area, there is a little 'lol' stamped
[20:46:00] <furrywolf> I still haven't managed to get the string threaded... came inside to try finding different pliers to try feeding it with after re-melting the tip again...
[20:46:24] <furrywolf> andypugh: it's a custom bolt obviously made just for this application. it has a huge flange (~1") and some other crap.
[20:46:29] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: yeah - one of those occasions where you think 'fuckit, adding electric start might be easier'
[20:46:48] <furrywolf> it already is electric start. and it works. that's how I was testing it earlier.
[20:46:50] <SpeedEvil> ah
[20:47:01] <SpeedEvil> so this is just for if the e-start fails?
[20:47:04] <furrywolf> however, the rule with generators is that the starting battery will be dead the one time you really need it...
[20:47:09] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[20:47:22] <furrywolf> and if you need a generator, you probably don't have a handy way to charge it... :P
[20:47:54] <furrywolf> I don't have a battery for it, so I was starting it with jumpers off my subaru.
[20:47:55] <andypugh> Electric car windows are already cheaper than manual. You can design for a well-determined max torque.
[20:48:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-GENUINE-SONY-VTC5-US18650-2600MAH-30-60A-IMR-LI-MN-HIGH-DRAIN-BATTERIES-MOD-/271748324421?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3f45765c45
[20:48:07] * SpeedEvil wonders if they are real.
[20:48:27] <furrywolf> andypugh: modern electric car windows ALWAYS FUCKING BREAK. more like "you can design it to fail 3 years and 1 day after sale".
[20:49:02] <andypugh> furrywolf: And how doe that not enhance shareholder value?
[20:49:09] <furrywolf> the pull cable regulators are just plain fucking crap, and that's what everything uses nowadays.
[20:50:03] <furrywolf> the old scissors ones weren't much worse than manual windows, and usually the only failure was the motor. now the regulator, motor, and cables are one assembley, that always fails.
[20:50:57] <furrywolf> they could probably make them not fail as often. using stainless for the cable housings would be a good start. but as long as it doesn't fail during the warranty period, and does fail afterwards, they're happy with it...
[20:51:17] <andypugh> Yes, but does it fail for the first buyer? If not, then your “contract” is with the guy you bought it from.
[20:51:50] <furrywolf> bbl, found more pliers, back to arguing with string
[20:54:50] <andypugh> Actually, (I don’t know if I am meant to say this) the durability requirement is 120k miles. But windows are one part where customer usage will be very different. No air-con and a security gate at work > Aircon and shopping only,
[21:01:08] <XXCoder> windows last darn forever
[21:01:20] <XXCoder> its framework that usually breaks before electric system
[21:01:39] <XXCoder> my van is made in 1996 and getting close to 200k miles and still work fine
[21:02:23] <andypugh> sleepy-time
[21:02:43] <XXCoder> my sleepy time is still 8 hours away lol
[21:10:24] <Tom_itx> see the earth should be flat...
[21:10:32] <XXCoder> lol
[21:10:36] <XXCoder> im reading discworld
[21:18:59] <furrywolf> if I ever do this again, I'm taking pictures to post a writeup online. it is not something that would be obvious to the average home tinkerer.
[21:19:16] <XXCoder> sounds fun
[21:19:45] <furrywolf> for example, when assembling the innermost clutch, you have to simultaneously rotate all four ratchet pawls away from the inner part. if you just attempt to crank the bolt down, they get caught, and crushed.
[21:20:08] <furrywolf> you have to do this by poking them with a small flat screwdriver from the backside of the clutch
[21:23:28] <furrywolf> this is the type of thing where at least half the people who try doing it will ruin the part.
[21:23:57] <furrywolf> if you don't notice the clutch is sitting maybe an eighth of an inch too high, and go to tighten it, time for a new pullstart.
[21:24:39] <furrywolf> all I've managed to do so far is put a string in the pullstart... I still need to put the entire generator back together. control panel, inverter, wiring harness, oil sensor wiring, ...
[21:24:45] <furrywolf> fuel shutoff...
[21:25:02] <furrywolf> if a shop did this, they'd charge $2 parts and $200 labor.
[21:25:45] <XXCoder> I bet yeah
[21:27:05] <furrywolf> I bet the electric start will sound nicer though - the old grease had turned to black gunk stuck to the side of the housing, not on the gears. the gears now have a nice coat of fresh superlube.
[21:27:31] <furrywolf> bbl, putting it back together. going to be fun, as I could barely get a socket to the bolts to take it apart...
[21:27:53] <SpeedEvil> Good luck
[21:28:10] <XXCoder> good luck
[21:28:24] <XXCoder> reminds me of nightmare location of bolts for termostat for van lol
[21:28:33] <XXCoder> your suggestion saved me fur
[23:17:51] <furrywolf> yay, it has a pullstart.
[23:18:07] <XXCoder> nice so its working eh
[23:18:28] <furrywolf> testing it, however, shows I fucked up setting the valve lash somehow.... it has a bad tick now. must not have had it at tdc or something.
[23:20:10] <furrywolf> I'll need to set the valve lash again, and this time I'll pull the spark plug and confirm tdc.
[23:20:35] <furrywolf> when I set it, I didn't have the pull cord, so it was a bit hard to spin it accurately.
[23:21:09] <furrywolf> bbl, shower