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[00:35:58] <zeeshan|2> well... i found out tonight that my steppers dont skip steps during a tool crash :D
[00:36:11] <zeeshan|2> accidently took a .75" doc
[00:36:15] <zeeshan|2> on the lathe
[00:36:37] <zeeshan|2> whoops
[00:51:28] <witnit> i think you could add encoders to verify feedback results for less than $50
[00:51:44] <furrywolf> don't do that. it breaks machines, cutters, workpieces. :P
[00:51:45] <furrywolf> bbl
[00:52:01] <zeeshan|2> carbide didnt flinch
[00:52:07] <zeeshan|2> i just destroyed my work piece :{
[00:52:11] <witnit> :)
[00:52:21] <witnit> thats usally a good thing
[00:53:03] <witnit> something has to give hopefully its not a repair job type specialty workpiece
[00:53:18] <furrywolf> I found that if I crash my Z, it rips the bushings out of the machine.
[00:53:30] <furrywolf> I need to turn the stepper current down...
[00:53:35] <furrywolf> bbl, way past wolfy bedtime.
[00:57:26] <zeeshan|2> nice
[01:01:16] <Valen> http://imgur.com/gallery/uyHfOjV just because
[01:40:30] <Crom> valen OMG, which is why I like STEEL bumpers
[01:42:11] <zeeshan|2> that is one angry guy!
[01:42:20] <Valen> often get attacked by reptiles?
[01:42:27] <Crom> zeeshan|2, tuesday I just pretty much removed every bit of kaptan tape on the reprap from head crashes
[01:42:28] * zeeshan|2 wonders if linuxcnc will handle a 12,500 line code!
[01:42:40] <zeeshan|2> nice crom
[02:22:07] <archivist> zeeshan|2, I think some have had millions of lines, just loads a bit/lot slower
[02:23:06] <Deejay> moinsen
[02:46:54] <Crom> zeeshan|2, It handed a 1.5milllion line file for me
[02:47:33] <Crom> a 3d face
[02:47:42] <zeeshan|2> nice
[02:48:06] <archivist> so you can use crappy cam :)
[02:49:53] <Crom> took 4 hours to cut
[02:50:32] <archivist> some of my hundred liners take as long, loops :)
[03:27:00] <Tom_itx> surfaces tend to be big files, 12k lines isn't much really
[03:28:47] <Tom_itx> a couple machines we had to break the files up on in order for them to fit until we started DNC'ing them
[03:29:22] <Tom_itx> i'd think your limit would pretty much be the HDD size
[04:12:28] <micges> zeeshan|2: on a 2GB ram pc you have effective limit 1~1.5 millions lines of code
[04:20:53] <Aero-Tec2> thanks for the feed back
[05:11:50] <automata> hi micges
[05:12:12] <automata> i was looking at the hostmot2 code and wanted to see if I could add a driver for pktuart
[05:12:47] <automata> hoping you could provide some guidance.
[05:27:04] <jthornton> see all you nuts on Tuesday
[08:09:13] <furrywolf> whomever pasted the link to the arc pig, thanks... I'll need to add that to the long list of stuff to pick up if I have spare money.
[08:10:20] <furrywolf> I've been thinking of picking up a used miller hf unit to go with my arc welder, but the arc pig looks like a much simpler solution.
[08:12:42] <furrywolf> I need to weld aluminum, and was thinking connecting a tig torch to my stick supply would be a cheap solution, since I've yet to see any kind of tig welder (not even a $500 chinese unit) for less than $2000 locally...
[08:13:44] <SpeedEvil> dimydim lenses and oxy/ac!
[08:14:03] <SpeedEvil> (not very serious)
[08:18:35] <furrywolf> also, I like their owner's manual.
[08:41:06] <archivist> woot probe starter kit
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321755717157
[08:45:27] <skunkworks> congrats@
[08:45:28] <skunkworks> !
[08:45:54] <archivist> cheeeeeep enough I thought
[08:47:15] <Jymmm> http://i.imgur.com/uyHfOjV.gifv
[08:50:34] <_methods> nom nom
[08:52:03] <FinboySlick> Like small dog with a sock.
[09:25:09] <furrywolf> is that supposed to be animated or something? because it ain't. lol
[09:43:12] <ssi> morn
[09:44:09] <archivist> moan
[11:36:51] <cthompson> that "gator/bumper" gif will be a fun insurance claim
[11:36:55] <cthompson> "A croc hit me."
[11:36:58] <cthompson> "You mean you hit a croc?"
[11:37:00] <cthompson> "Listen to the words that are coming out of my mouth."
[13:02:15] <jtektool> is signal A supposed to lead signal B on my encoders? I forget I've got signals coming into halsope just fine with square wavs, couldnt remember which is supposed to lead.
[13:03:18] <jtektool> (don't answer that) lol i can see my position reading backwards so i know im wrong lol
[13:22:14] <DaViruz> yep which signal is leading which depends on direction of rotation
[13:24:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150520-con3d-consortium-3d-prints-sofa-new-3d-printer-for-construction-industry.html hehe
[13:39:03] <_methods> not sure i want to look at that link
[13:40:08] <jtektool> anything followed by hehe from a hacker is suspect... lol
[13:41:03] <_methods> that poor robot
[13:42:18] <_methods> anyone ever use one of these
[13:42:28] <_methods> http://www.harborfreight.com/38-in-2-in-ratcheting-pipe-threader-set-62353.html
[13:43:03] <SpeedEvil> If you're going to use a 'proper' robot as a '3d printer' - at least give it a trowel, so it can smooth the edges
[13:43:10] <_methods> right
[13:43:18] <_methods> or a laser beam
[13:43:23] <_methods> to shoot people with
[13:46:10] <DaViruz> surely a concrete 3d printer is a more viable option then a simple mould for a square object
[13:47:05] <_methods> hmmm complicated robot or simple mold..............
[13:57:06] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/Chinese-Lantern.jpg
[13:57:14] <SpeedEvil> bottom bit was cast solely in one lump
[13:57:48] <SpeedEvil> polystyrene wire-cut mold, to make it, and then pour
[13:58:00] <SpeedEvil> wire cut - dissasemble, reassemble
[14:46:45] <Loetmichel> HIHI, my wife just gifted me a t-shirt with a writing on it: "Ich bin kein Klugscheisser, ich weiss es WIRKLICH besser." ("i am no smartass, i REALLY kow it better!")... with the comment: "your co-workers will LOVE that." should i take notice of something? ;-)
[14:57:42] <furrywolf> lol
[15:02:44] <furrywolf> well, I guess I get to become an expert on fixing honda inverter generators. I got 9 of them yesterday.
[15:03:34] <furrywolf> an em7000is, an eu6500is, three eu3000is, 2 eu2000i, an eu2000i in three boxes of tiny parts, and enough eu3000is parts to assemble another one, maybe. or, much more likely, to fix the first ones.
[15:04:44] <furrywolf> anyone here good at fixing these? :)
[15:04:54] <XXCoder> more off grid power?
[15:05:27] <furrywolf> one of the eu3000ises has the most obvious problem - someone twisted the drain plug fitting clean off the block doing an oil change. probably toss a new rear engine piece on it from one of the others.
[15:09:27] <furrywolf> both of the other 3000s have the heads off, so I'm guessing major mechanical issues. the 7000 and the 6500 appear to have electrical issues. one is complete but apparantly doesn't output anything, the other came with the inverter sitting on top of it, which is never a good sign. I haven't poked at the 2000s yet. one seems to be leaving a puddle of oil under it.
[15:10:56] <furrywolf> he said there was a complete 2000 in the three boxes, but it's been completely disassembled. apparantly he started an engine rebuild, then it got shelved. all the new bearings are in, and it has a new gasket set, a new head, and a new carb in the boxes... but damn it's in a lot of pieces.
[15:30:47] <furrywolf> $#! the 7000 is fuel injected.
[15:31:14] <furrywolf> oh, wait, that's a different version.
[15:31:18] * furrywolf looks for the right service manual
[15:42:58] <furrywolf> working on this genny is somewhere between working on a small engine and working on an automobile. for example, the on-board diagnostics records snapshots when error codes are stored, complete with details like throttle angle... like an obdii car.
[15:44:08] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: cheap?
[15:44:21] <furrywolf> $50 for the lot
[15:44:32] <SpeedEvil> Damn, not bad
[15:44:49] <SpeedEvil> I mean - even for a tiny chance of fixing one, that's a steal
[15:45:01] <furrywolf> depends on how many of them work again. :P
[15:45:11] <SpeedEvil> Well, and the parts value on ebay
[15:45:22] <furrywolf> if the one with the inverter pulled and sitting on top of it needs an inverter, it's not getting fixed unless I find a scrap one... $650ish for a new one.
[15:45:36] <SpeedEvil> Or DIY
[15:45:53] <SpeedEvil> which is a whole nother level of fun
[15:46:37] <furrywolf> not worth it.
[15:46:44] <furrywolf> DIYing a 7kw inverter is not cheap or easy.
[15:48:23] <SpeedEvil> Perhaps I have a skewed perspective.
[15:48:44] <SpeedEvil> I have most of teh design of a TIG/MIG/stick welder done.
[15:49:11] <SpeedEvil> Including a ~6kW input power converter
[16:22:15] <Deejay> gn8
[18:54:55] <XXCoder> boo
[18:55:09] <XXCoder> furrywolf: my van does rough idle again and mpgs down again bahh lol
[18:55:25] <XXCoder> not sure what to do now
[18:59:15] <_methods> stop abducting children and you won't need that vban
[18:59:38] <XXCoder> dunno
[18:59:43] <XXCoder> so tasty
[18:59:50] <XXCoder> but then I gained a lot weight
[19:00:04] <XXCoder> and stains is hard to get rid of
[19:00:22] <andypugh> XXCoder: This was the EGR last time?
[19:00:44] <XXCoder> yeah its clean and it did stall during test vacuum so it passed but dunnop
[19:01:42] <andypugh> Might be interesting to see what a new gasket at the cold end does. A new gasket with no hole in the middle.
[19:02:21] <XXCoder> I did read about dummyout but nagh
[19:02:27] <XXCoder> I do care about envorment
[19:02:46] <andypugh> Though it is likely that the system is set up to only work with the correct EGR rate
[19:04:17] <andypugh> I care about the environment too. But I am not sure that the NOx / CO2 balance of current regs is right. But then I live on a windy island, not a sunny bowl in a desert.
[19:04:53] <XXCoder> IAC is used when in park mode only right?
[19:04:57] <XXCoder> not brake idle
[19:05:06] <andypugh> I think they should 1) ban all cars in LA 2) Then work out where the NOx limits should be set.
[19:05:14] <XXCoder> set it to 0%
[19:05:24] <andypugh> IAC ?
[19:05:30] <XXCoder> idle air controller
[19:05:44] <XXCoder> just remembered, it might have loose connector now
[19:05:48] <andypugh> I really don’t know.
[19:05:51] <XXCoder> I did acciently break lock
[19:06:09] <andypugh> I only do small Euro-diesels.
[19:06:18] <XXCoder> I want one
[19:06:48] <andypugh> You want 180 bhp and 45 mpg? Why?
[19:07:04] <XXCoder> 45 mpog damn
[19:07:07] <XXCoder> mines at 19 mpg
[19:07:54] <andypugh> That’s your NOx limits. Blame LA.
[19:08:17] <XXCoder> I dont live at calfornia
[19:08:56] <XXCoder> HMMMM
http://x.nissanhelp.com/forums/quest/10581-rough-idle-drive-but-not-park.html
[19:09:10] <XXCoder> too bad cant hear
[19:09:38] <andypugh> No, but to a large extent that very sunny place with very little air movement is why the US NOx limits basically prevent efficient diesels being sold in the US.
[19:10:18] <XXCoder> I wonder if there can be something to scrub exust to get rid of NOx
[19:10:21] <XXCoder> its bad stuff
[19:10:45] <andypugh> (VW and Mercedes sell some, but not at the same mpg / NOx trade-off as the EU versions)
[19:13:08] <Tom_itx> andypugh, any projects in the works?
[19:13:18] <XXCoder> thanks though
[19:13:22] <andypugh> Yes, there are de-NOx cats and lean-NOx traps and Additive systems (google Adblue) but they all need to “spend” fuel to make them work.
[19:13:26] <XXCoder> gonna check disto if something is loose
[19:13:33] <XXCoder> and I plan to seafoam my van
[19:13:44] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Looking for a bigger lathe
[19:13:45] <XXCoder> get rid of buildups and hopefully no new leaks
[19:14:39] <andypugh> I have my eye on
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221778427535?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[19:15:18] <Tom_itx> that looks pretty nice
[19:15:32] <XXCoder> noise in gearbox
[19:15:57] <andypugh> Though I wish it had the 4-jaw too, as 2500rpm 13” chucks are not cheap.
[19:16:59] <andypugh> XXCoder: Aye but I will be taking it all apart anyway to make it CNC
[19:18:36] <andypugh> I am gambling on it being the gearbox bearings. If it is a spindle bearing the lathe is scrap
[19:19:09] <andypugh> The Colchester 2500 bearings are rather special.
[19:19:09] <Tom_itx> not wired up to listen to either
[19:20:46] <andypugh> Actually, maybe not. eBay has Gamet bearings:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GAMET-LATHE-Precision-BEARING-130070-130120-130070-130120-130070130120-/271869018488?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3f4ca80178
[19:22:20] <Tom_itx> are you the 1 watcher?
[19:22:33] <Tom_itx> maybe get them pretty cheap
[19:23:26] <andypugh> No, not yet. Colchester and Harrison are the only customeres of Gamet, and together they manage to make very high-speed spindles with very large bores.
[19:24:02] <andypugh> I spent a while working in the unit next-door to Gamet. I should have made contacts :-)
[19:25:19] <andypugh> OK, so I looked at his “other items” He is, errr, perhaps “eclectic” is the word?
[19:29:48] <Tom_itx> the bed is a tad bit shorter than i'd like but definitely useable
[19:30:22] <Tom_itx> don't think that one will fit in your front room though
[19:32:09] <furrywolf> something wrong with selling both bearings and lingerie? :P
[19:33:06] * furrywolf wonders whether the horse whips he's selling are meant for horses
[19:34:19] <andypugh> Tom_itx: I can live with a short bed and a decent spindle bore. Yes, I would really prefer the long-bed Mastiff, but I only have a single garage with 3 motorbikes, a milling machine and a lathe in it.
http://www.lathes.co.uk/colchester/page30.html
[19:34:40] * furrywolf would love to be able to wear such things, but can't
[19:35:43] <andypugh> furrywolf: You can wear anything you want, and do anything to your sphincters you want. But it would be cool if you stopped telling us about it.
[19:36:23] <Tom_itx> yeah you could get serious with that
[19:37:14] * furrywolf makes a note to complain every time someone talks about anything off-topic
[19:37:45] <andypugh> it’s impressive that the Mascot at 1400 rpm and 21” swing has only 100rpm less than my Chinese 9” lathe.
[19:38:03] <Tom_itx> since pcw_home hasn't been around here much this week i sure hope he's got some cards to peddle soon
[19:38:57] <andypugh> <elects furrywolf as on-topic minotaur>
[19:50:51] <andypugh> Fascinating device superceded by CNC:
http://www.lathes.co.uk/ainjest/
[21:19:29] <furrywolf> first genny diagnosed... eu2000i has a broken timing belt.
[21:21:45] <XXCoder> andypugh: nice
[21:21:53] <XXCoder> probably can make parts with other machines?
[21:22:39] <cradek> noninterference?
[21:23:13] <furrywolf> yes
[21:23:41] <furrywolf> looks like a pain to change
[21:24:17] <furrywolf> gotta split the block and pull apart the cam and rockers
[21:25:34] <furrywolf> should I pull a belt from one of the dismantled units, or buy a new one? how much of a redneck am I in the mood to be? :)
[21:26:50] <furrywolf> there's a dismantled unit in a box with a timing belt...
[21:27:12] <cradek> diagnose more and decide when you know more?
[21:28:42] <cradek> you might need to order several timing belts...
[21:29:02] <furrywolf> the diagnosis is the timing belt is now linear instead of circular. not much more diagnosis you can do. lol
[21:29:02] <XXCoder> make one out of lather strips left over
[21:29:02] <XXCoder> there is no bottom to redneckness
[21:29:02] <XXCoder> *leather
[21:29:02] <furrywolf> lol
[21:29:02] <furrywolf> do I have to tan the hide myself?
[21:29:17] <XXCoder> just put in bucket and add pee in it
[21:29:19] <XXCoder> tan it
[21:29:22] <cradek> I mean move on to the other machines
[21:29:22] <furrywolf> oh?
[21:29:42] <furrywolf> the cam rotates nicely and the valves move smoothly... no sign of it having broken to due valvetrain issues.
[21:29:46] <furrywolf> due to
[21:29:47] <XXCoder> furrywolf:
http://www.treehugger.com/cleaning-organizing/urine-surprise-6-historic-uses-pee.html
[21:30:26] * furrywolf ignores links to any article where the title involves "surprise", "amazing", "unbelievable", etc, and a number.
[21:30:35] <cradek> "pee"
[21:31:24] <XXCoder> its pretty good article. lemme try turn off noscript
[21:32:07] <XXCoder> one annoying signup popup but besides that ok
[21:33:54] <furrywolf> I probably should minimize my redneckness, wait until tuesday, and order a belt from the local dealer
[21:34:30] <XXCoder> twine rope
[21:34:31] <XXCoder> heh
[21:34:40] <XXCoder> yeah good idea. as well as inventory issues
[21:34:46] <XXCoder> so you only need one trip not 100
[21:39:28] <furrywolf> checked the one with the dismantled unit, and it has some pretty good cracks. not reusable.
[21:56:44] <furrywolf> eu6500is runs off starting fluid but not gasoline. likely carb problems. however, it has a lot of error codes for communications issues between the engine computer and the inverter computer. suspect fuel problem is due to sitting after original problem.
[21:57:10] <XXCoder> fun
[21:59:26] <furrywolf> these are built way too much like a small car rather than a generator.
[21:59:53] <XXCoder> car kit, just add wheels and wheel lol
[22:02:20] <furrywolf> easier said than done, since the alternator is highly integrated with the engine... if you try pulling it off to use the shaft output, you also won't have spark. spark comes from the computer...
[22:02:37] <XXCoder> lol ok
[22:02:46] <furrywolf> it doesn't have a separate magneto ignition like most generators - it's all integrated.
[22:05:21] <furrywolf> so far I have two units with a specific, repairable problem identified... the eu2000i with the broken timing belt, and the eu3000is with the broken oil drain plug.
[22:05:56] <furrywolf> I'm tempted to glob some silicone over the hole in the side of the eu3000is, add oil, and fire it up, to confirm that's the only problem.
[22:06:24] <furrywolf> looks like someone overtightened it just a weee bit... enough to take out an inch of block. lol
[22:06:49] <XXCoder> heard oil drain plugs like achelle hell for cars
[22:07:10] <furrywolf> I've never had a problem with one on a car.
[22:07:18] <furrywolf> if it leaks, spend the $0.99 for a new gasket
[22:07:22] <furrywolf> don't overtighten it.
[22:07:37] <XXCoder> http://pedrn44.hubpages.com/hub/Oil-Pan-Plug-Easy-Repair
[22:08:17] <furrywolf> I like that idea. brb, finding silicone. I'll waste a quart of oil, but it'd be nice to know that's all that's wrong before I spend several hours replacing half the block.
[22:08:46] <XXCoder> or do what guy did at link
[22:10:20] <furrywolf> yeah, that's a kluge. lol
[22:10:24] <furrywolf> you could also glue in a quick-change adapter
[22:10:25] <XXCoder> it is
[22:27:00] <andypugh> I reckon that a macrame black-belt could make a timing belt from kevlar string.
[22:27:49] <andypugh> They would need to knot at exact pitch.
[22:30:05] <furrywolf> got the 6500 running off gas. runs for a few seconds then shuts off with an e04, governor failure. however, the rpm sounds acceptable, and there's no ac output for those seconds... and the last steps of the e-04 troubleshooting tree are to replace the inverter and engine computer to see if it helps. lol
[22:31:34] <andypugh> It might be using AC output or a derivitive thereof to judge engine speed.
[22:31:51] <furrywolf> I suspect the stored inverter communication errors are more accurate, even though it's not showing them currently.
[22:31:57] <andypugh> Ergo no-AC = no speed feedback
[22:32:22] <furrywolf> nah. it's a lot smarter than that. it's more like a car engine than a typical generator.
[22:33:04] <andypugh> You might be surprised how car engines work.
[22:33:12] <furrywolf> and I know it knows the engine position accurately, since it's generating accurately timed sparks. (spark comes from the ecu - no separate magneto engine)
[22:33:26] <furrywolf> no, I wouldn't, given as I've fixed more than a few of them...
[22:34:29] <andypugh> If a sensor you already have can do the job of another sensor with a software tweak, and the sensor costs $1 and you selll a million engines….
[22:34:31] <furrywolf> this is built like a late-80s smog computer+carb hybrid, with spark coming from the ecu and a few motors mounted to the carb to control throttle and mixture. the newer version is fully fuel injected.
[22:35:30] <furrywolf> it has a full ecu, complete with storing freeze-frame information every time it sets an error code...
[22:36:24] <andypugh> OK, in that case there is probably a hard n signal.
[22:38:53] <furrywolf> it's storing 2732rpm at the time it sets the e04 code. normal rpm range is 2400-3300
[22:40:09] <furrywolf> I'd expect it to have ac output until it shuts down... leaning towards the inverter, which is one of the things listed on the e04 troubleshooting tree. need to figure out how to check it.
[22:40:31] <furrywolf> a shorted inverter input could drag the rpm down enough to make it think it had a governor problem
[22:41:22] <furrywolf> the service manual is annoyingly bad, for multiple reasons. the first reason is that all the various languages it's in are mixed together page-by-page, rather than having different sections.
[22:45:03] <furrywolf> and it's organized by where parts are located, rather than what they do.
[22:59:14] <furrywolf> diagnosis progress. the governor does not move. however, manually twiddling it, I can keep the rpm in the happy range. no ac output. after about ten seconds, it shuts off with the two codes for communication failure between ecu and inverter.
[23:00:03] <furrywolf> all plugs are clean and tight
[23:00:59] <andypugh> Hmm, how much fun do you want to have?
[23:01:00] <furrywolf> they're both heavily potted modules, no chance of repair
[23:01:39] <furrywolf> and I mean heavily... like a 2" thick solid epoxy blob 12 inches by 16 inches.
[23:02:07] <andypugh> You have the opportunity to become a world internet authority. Or you could buy a nw one. Or something in-between,
[23:02:31] <furrywolf> or I could buy a used one. :)
[23:06:04] <andypugh> Yes, that’s one of the in-between things
[23:06:39] <andypugh> Sell it on eBay as “for parts or not working”. Someone who can’t read willl buy iut.
[23:09:59] <furrywolf> heh
[23:10:18] * furrywolf has bought plenty of things described as "fully functional" and found them not to work anyway!
[23:11:14] <furrywolf> I note it's not charging the starting battery. before I decide the inverter is toast, going to do a very thourough inspection of the low-voltage system, to make sure it's not getting low/no power to some component. communications error could well be due to a power issue.
[23:11:20] <furrywolf> but, it's now dark out.
[23:12:41] <furrywolf> I wish this manual had wiring diagrams.
[23:12:42] <furrywolf> good ones.
[23:13:03] <furrywolf> instead all it has is "troubleshoot this exact test" diagrams, with no overview to show you how the various systems connect.
[23:13:47] <andypugh> I just noticed that here it is light out. Time to sleep before it is much too late.
[23:14:05] <furrywolf> bah, it does have them. under the "handle" section. because like the rest of the manual, it's organized by location, not by function, and apparantly wiring is near the handle?
[23:14:06] <furrywolf> lol
[23:29:02] <petefromtn> Kinda dead in here tonight
[23:36:44] <zeeshan|2> is helical entry in 304 stainless a bad idea
[23:36:46] <zeeshan|2> with a 4 flute carbide
[23:39:36] <petefromtn> I hav3 done it before..
[23:40:00] <t12> think a 1ph -> 3ph vfd fixed at 60hz would work as a phase converter to drive 3ph servo amps?
[23:40:02] <petefromtn> Have
[23:40:18] <t12> maybe a servo amp wouldnt care so much about the ugly 3ph pwm?
[23:41:03] <petefromtn> No idea all my servo drives run on single phase input in my vmc
[23:43:51] <t12> i guess if i end up with all the parts in one place i can try
[23:55:07] <furrywolf> bah! I pulled the generator apart, pulled out the inverter... it has "BAD" written on the inside of it.
