#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-05-17

[01:09:02] <Gurwinder> I got error while running ./configure
[01:09:19] <Gurwinder> error: Required Xmu header missing. Install it, or specify --disable-python to skip the parts of LinuxCNC that depend on Python
[01:09:53] <Gurwinder> searched a lot but can't get a way
[01:10:51] <Gurwinder> mistake :P, how to remove it
[01:12:00] <XXCoder1> Gurwinder: did you try install Xmu package?
[01:13:29] <Gurwinder> no
[01:13:51] <Gurwinder> I think its some type of linuxcnc library
[01:14:25] <XXCoder1> sudo apt-get install libxmu-dev libxi-dev
[01:14:30] <XXCoder1> thats how to solve it
[01:17:15] <Gurwinder> great, thanks :)
[01:17:28] <XXCoder1> np
[01:17:49] <XXCoder1> now get me a large cnc router. lol jk
[01:22:26] <Gurwinder> :P
[02:22:33] <Deejay> moin
[06:44:24] <dutchfish> cradek, before and after the fix: http://www.yellowsource.org/images/cnc_bootstrap_part2.jpg | the right object on the table is current 2.6.8, the left object is made with the same setup (TB6560AHQ) and my fix applied running at much higher speeds 1000nS delays only so it doesnt burn.
[06:45:51] <dutchfish> (i wasted 2 mill taps on this, but hey who cares)
[06:47:20] <Loetmichel> dutchfish: that looks a bit like the bit BURNED its way thru instead of cutting
[06:48:23] <archivist> alas poor dremel I knew him well
[06:48:31] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, indeed, because it ran much to slow because of the driver delays
[06:49:01] <dutchfish> archivist, yes, i have ordered something much better, but thats another story
[06:49:09] <Loetmichel> dremel is very suboptimal for milling tho
[06:49:17] <dutchfish> archivist, its what i have atm
[06:49:21] <Loetmichel> bearings way to far from the collet
[06:49:28] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, absolutely true
[06:49:44] <dutchfish> the point is that my atch works
[06:49:50] <dutchfish> s/atch/patch
[06:50:09] <Loetmichel> i made some small mill motors of iniliner skate bearings and spare parts
[06:50:24] <dutchfish> with feedrates up to 1400mm
[06:50:45] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12757&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[06:50:50] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, yeh, a friend of my did the same
[06:51:01] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12846
[06:51:15] <XXCoder1> just hope my edge router would work fine lol
[06:51:30] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, but ones my Siemens BLDC is in, that will change the game
[06:52:19] <dutchfish> (48V polyphase 3-8, 2kW)
[06:52:32] <dutchfish> double bearings
[06:52:47] <dutchfish> with controller
[06:53:12] <Loetmichel> works also very well with model plane BLDC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-698Lwahn74
[06:53:25] <MrSunshine> hmm is it possible by gcode to ask user for input before the machine starts ?
[06:53:59] <MrSunshine> like a fixture location script to make dowel holes, ask for number of dowels between and thickness of the workpiece before it begins
[06:54:23] <dutchfish> MrSunshine, yes, toolchange (see the example files)
[06:55:10] <dutchfish> MrSunshine, i dont know the filenames by heart, but there are at least 2 examples in there
[06:56:05] <dutchfish> MrSunshine, i dont know if scripting for params is possible
[06:56:13] <dutchfish> MrSunshine, probably
[06:59:00] <MrSunshine> dutchfish: but what example files do you mean ? =)
[06:59:51] <MrSunshine> its kinda hard to find something when yuou do not even know where to start and look :P
[06:59:58] <dutchfish> MrSunshine, the ones in /home/[username]/linuxcnc/examples/
[07:00:17] <MrSunshine> atm im not at the computer with linuxcnc on :/ where could those be located on the github ? =)
[07:00:36] <dutchfish> MrSunshine, assuming you used the wheezy image and upgrade to the latest (2.6.8)
[07:02:34] <dutchfish> MrSunshine, hold on i look it up
[07:03:09] <MrSunshine> heh thanks =)
[07:05:23] <jthornton> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;f=nc_files;h=ff4af66b1fdcbd5f6ce1b1239ae450e2c3164c32;hb=refs/heads/2.6
[07:07:18] <dutchfish> MrSunshine, http://paste.debian.net/178836/ (which was generated with: dpkg -L linuxcnc | grep examples | grep ngc | pastebinit)
[07:07:37] <dutchfish> MrSunshine, that should roughly get you going
[07:07:46] <MrSunshine> thanks =)
[07:08:04] <dutchfish> yw
[07:08:40] <jthornton> the link is to the nc_files directory for 2.6 on git
[07:13:52] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, where did you obtain the motor and controller form that video (if i may ask)?
[07:14:51] <Loetmichel> dutchfish: the controller is from Hobbyking.com.
[07:15:05] <dutchfish> ah yes
[07:15:14] <Loetmichel> if you mean the RC-simulator, i made it myself ;-)
[07:15:45] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, and the spindle collet part?
[07:16:18] <Loetmichel> thats a spare part you can buy for 8 eur from a Proxxon FBS 230 ;)
[07:16:27] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, ah ok
[07:16:42] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, that setup should be great for pcb milling i suppose
[07:17:05] <dutchfish> (high rpm and low torque)
[07:18:05] <Loetmichel> if you use std 608 ball bearings i recommend to wahs them in car fuel (whats "benzin" in english?) and oil them afterwards. they get way to hot with grease in them when turning 20kRPM++
[07:18:27] <Loetmichel> oh, the Model plane outrunners have plenty torque
[07:18:31] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, i understand benzine (gasoline)
[07:18:44] <Loetmichel> maybe triple that of a std dremel
[07:18:50] <Loetmichel> at same rpm range
[07:19:00] <Loetmichel> gasoline it was, thanks
[07:19:06] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, what power?
[07:19:19] <Loetmichel> 12V from an PC atx Supply
[07:19:40] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, no i ment P (power) Watts
[07:19:57] <Loetmichel> ah, the little one on the pic 200W
[07:20:17] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, thats double the amount of the dremel, nice
[07:20:20] <Loetmichel> but i have build the same with an 900W inrunner that can do 50krpm ;)
[07:20:35] <dutchfish> wow
[07:20:44] <dutchfish> i am after low rpm myself
[07:20:56] <dutchfish> between 2k and 8k rpm
[07:21:00] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=436 <- and ceramic 608 bearings ;-)
[07:21:25] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, is that one Y or Delta config?
[07:21:31] <Loetmichel> no idea
[07:21:43] <Loetmichel> i think delta
[07:21:48] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, polyphase?
[07:22:24] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, if it is 3 to 8 polyphase, that would be nice for lower rpm's at higher torque
[07:22:32] <Loetmichel> sure, if you meant more than 3 "poles" in the stator
[07:22:38] <dutchfish> yes
[07:22:48] <dutchfish> 8 poles 3 phase
[07:23:10] <Loetmichel> the outrunners are usually better for low rpm high torque
[07:23:45] <dutchfish> most if not all of the copter motors are les spoles
[07:23:50] <Loetmichel> because the longer leverage for the mangets sitting in the bell compared to the inrunners where they are glued to the shaft
[07:23:52] <dutchfish> less*
[07:25:32] <Loetmichel> i personally would use something like this for a Spindle: http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__16231__NTM_Prop_Drive_35_48_Series_900KV_815W.html
[07:26:18] <Loetmichel> that should be PLENTY of torque AND power ;-)
[07:26:29] <Loetmichel> and dirt cheap, too
[07:29:54] <Loetmichel> it hits 8000 rpm at 300W
[07:30:06] <Loetmichel> and 75% efficiency
[07:30:09] <Loetmichel> thats plenty
[07:30:30] <Loetmichel> and right on your whishes ;-)
[07:32:11] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, i will look into it
[07:33:34] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, what supply and driver that thing needs?
[07:33:51] <Loetmichel> btw: if you use these: you can mount any toool up to 8mm diameter with the right collet: http://www.ebay.de/itm/C8-ER11A-150L-Zylinderschaft-Spannzangenhalter-Werkzeughalter-CNC-Drehmaschine-/261832997063
[07:34:11] <Loetmichel> a 60A ESC and a 60A 12V PSU
[07:35:07] <Loetmichel> you can use a Halogen light toroid and a fitting rectifier/filtering caps, they are cheap and up to the job
[07:35:31] <Loetmichel> no regulation needed, the ESC can cope with varying voltage
[07:39:10] <Loetmichel> you can even get away with a 450W transformer if you monitor its temperature
[07:40:17] <Loetmichel> the toroid will likely be mor "thermal slow" than the motor itself.
[07:43:27] <SpeedEvil> All the halogen light thingies you can buy are not transformers
[07:43:46] <SpeedEvil> They're wierd-ass AC SMPSs with ~2.5* nominal output peaks
[07:44:43] <Jymmm> http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__64843__HobbyKing_Red_Brick_70A_ESC.html
[07:46:06] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: thats why i said "TOROID"
[07:46:19] <Loetmichel> there ARE some real transformers out there
[07:46:24] <SpeedEvil> There are nicer ESCs that can be reflashed, and controlled over I2C or whatever
[07:46:40] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: fair enough - I have heard people call them toroids when referring to the generic though
[07:48:01] <Loetmichel> dutchfish: the CNC router i am building for a co-worker has the complete Electronics in the base...
[07:48:14] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13131
[07:48:20] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13143
[07:48:39] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13116
[07:48:52] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13149 <- and from below ;-)
[07:49:23] <Loetmichel> the slot-pc fitted in there with 1mm of room on the sides ;-)
[07:55:43] <Loetmichel> the x axis motor even got a planetary gear to fit the steps/mm to the y axis: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11714
[07:56:33] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11711 <- had to mill that 3 times to get a snug fit ;)
[08:29:56] <jthornton> usually the second time I mill something it is too big by then
[08:32:50] <MattyMatt> Loetmichel, if you make an alu bezel for that orange keyboard, you've got a modern ZX Spectrum :)
[08:33:52] <MattyMatt> probably a chip trap, even with it vertical
[10:50:31] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, nice!
[10:51:07] <dutchfish> Loetmichel, sorry for the late reaction, i was already working on my cnc
[10:52:40] <norias> hahaha
[10:53:05] <norias> i just heard the song TNT by AC/DC in my head
[10:53:11] <norias> with the words CNC instead
[10:53:41] <norias> "Because it's ... CNC... computer controlled...
[10:54:02] <norias> CNC ... you can make a mold."
[10:54:41] <JT-Shop> one benefit of burning off powder coat while the parts are on the racks is the racks get cleaned too
[10:56:58] <norias> good point
[12:04:21] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, do you know when the 7i90 7i47s will be back in stock?
[12:05:46] <Tom_itx> seems this chinese 5v reg went south on me and may have damaged them. i can still communicate with the 7i90 though
[12:12:32] <pcw_home> 7I47s are in stock
[12:12:34] <pcw_home> 7i90s are in I just need to test them
[12:12:35] <pcw_home> but have a couple days of ind temp testing ahead of that
[12:17:06] <pcw_home> if you can still talk to the 7I90 its probably OK
[12:17:08] <pcw_home> (I dont think anything important runs on 5V on the 7I90 except the bus
[12:17:09] <pcw_home> switch divider and thats probably ok up to 10V or so)
[12:23:26] <pcw_home> Wonder if a failing VR is what happened to your first card set?
[12:23:27] <pcw_home> ( a 5.5v crowbar might not be a bad idea)
[12:43:24] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, the supply went bad then i noticed 20v on it's display for a sec before i could hit the switch. i'm planning to add a crowbar but haven't gotten to it yet
[12:43:37] <Tom_itx> however i tested some other 5v stuff and it was ok
[12:43:46] <Tom_itx> the MPG is still ok
[12:44:39] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, no i think operator error happened to the first set
[12:44:44] <pcw_home> most everything on the 7I90 runs from 3.3V (or 1.2V)
[12:45:14] <Tom_itx> well i wasn't able to see any IO on P2
[12:45:18] <Tom_itx> activity
[12:45:32] <Tom_itx> i thought about trying the 3rd plug to see
[12:45:40] <Tom_itx> in case it was a buffer
[12:45:53] <pcw_home> wonder if the loopback test we use could be ported to mesaflash
[12:46:32] <Tom_itx> i was probing them pin by pin with a GND wire watching hal configuration
[12:47:22] <micges> pcw_home: simple out -> in test on all pins?
[12:47:48] <pcw_home> (connect all three I/O connectors together and does a rotating 1's and 0's from 1-2 2-3 3-1 2-1
[12:47:56] <Tom_itx> i'd just finished getting things ready to test too...
[12:47:57] <Tom_itx> dammit
[12:49:37] <Tom_itx> i could test the 7i47s on the pcie card you sent but i'd have to set up a pc for that
[12:54:46] <Tom_itx> i thought the 5v fuse might have popped but it didn't
[13:08:52] <pcw_home> communications work but no I/O sounds like the bus switches may have been damaged (the ones connected to I/O have
[13:08:53] <pcw_home> 5V derived power (4V)) so 20V might have damaged them
[13:09:04] <pcw_home> (on the 7I90)
[13:09:06] <pcw_home> bbl
[13:09:37] <Tom_itx> do you have any i can put on ?
[14:14:39] <fogl> hello, I am trying to comp --install .comp module. I get an error shows "stdlib.h: No such file or directory" even though the stdlib.h is in /usr/include/ and the folder is added to $PATH. Any idea why?
[14:15:28] <fogl> BTW, is it allowed to use nonRealTime libraries for .comp modules. I saw a lot of example using it?
[14:16:09] <JT-Shop> what version of LinuxCNC do you have installed?
[14:17:01] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/halmodule.html
[14:17:17] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/comp.html
[14:17:51] <fogl> 2.6.32-122-rtai #rtai SMP Tue Jul 27 12:44:07 CDT 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[14:21:48] <JT-Shop> well we know your kernel now... did you install comp as per the manual?
[14:22:11] <fogl> yes
[14:22:35] <fogl> if i remove that #include line, everything compiles fine
[14:23:26] <JT-Shop> what is the include line?
[14:23:53] <fogl> #include <stdlib.h>
[14:25:05] <JT-Shop> is that a C library?
[14:25:33] <JT-Shop> this is quickly getting above my pay scale
[14:27:05] <JT-Shop> I assume you need something from stdlib.h?
[14:27:50] <fogl> i am looking for "atoi"
[14:28:08] <JT-Shop> does rapti_math have that
[14:28:20] <JT-Shop> rtapi_math.h
[14:28:59] <fogl> it is not in rtapi_math.h
[14:36:00] <fogl> i will try to convert it manually
[14:36:53] <JT-Shop> I'm out of guesses you might get an answer on the mailing list
[14:45:59] <JT-Shop> I think in a few months my thumb nail will be back to normal
[14:49:38] <t12> archivist: any idea what these are? From a watchmaker/repair guy https://www.dropbox.com/sc/bnvc0imra97d0lh/AADZrJy0rU2MOS2E4FZZSjrda
[14:52:41] * norias wakes up.
[14:53:31] <norias> huh
[14:54:38] <norias> is it... in a subfolder, for some reason?
[14:54:57] <t12> they're viewing spotty for me here
[14:54:59] <t12> let me try to share diffntly
[14:55:01] <norias> listen to me getting all windows
[14:55:19] <norias> i'm gonna go jump off a bridge now
[14:55:36] <renesis> i would guess tool holders
[14:56:05] <t12> http://dodeca-t.com/photos/2015-05-17%2012.26.42.jpg
[14:56:09] <t12> http://dodeca-t.com/photos/2015-05-17%2012.26.23.jpg
[14:56:15] <t12> theres the direct ones
[14:56:31] <t12> i find all these tiny millitary insturmentation motors/synchros/etc really impressive
[15:02:05] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/d4kn2yr980gitxy/AADQmAyMnhAX697BeTZRpAT5a
[15:02:10] <t12> also got a handcrank generator
[16:27:59] <MattyMatt> fogl, I do know strtol() is prefered for new code
[16:29:25] <Deejay> gn8
[18:13:10] <dgmurdockiii> is there a good stander for making your own cnc machine like kinda like there is with 3d printers and reprap
[18:14:11] <SpeedEvil> No.
[18:14:13] <malcom2073> dgmurdockiii: What do you mean standard? Design?
[18:14:18] <malcom2073> There's no real standard for reprap
[18:14:19] <SpeedEvil> Because tehre is enormous different requirements.
[18:14:22] <jthornton> stander?
[18:14:41] <SpeedEvil> For reprap - all that is needed is to hold and position a nozzle semi-accurately over a bed, fairly repeatably.
[18:15:13] <SpeedEvil> For CNC, you add the requirement to hold against a possibly large cutting force, and have a head several to several thousand times heavier than an extruder.
[18:15:35] <dgmurdockiii> yeah
[18:15:37] <malcom2073> When in doubt: Add a ton (literally, 2000lbs)
[18:16:02] <SpeedEvil> If you're CNCing polystyrene foam, then your machine is going to be a hell of a lot heavier than if you want to take deep cuts in stainless steel
[18:16:17] <dgmurdockiii> i wonder if there somthing the community reprap has with forms and wiki for diycnc
[18:16:26] <dgmurdockiii> that all really
[18:16:38] <SpeedEvil> A machine that is capable of 'all' most home-shop people would like to do is likely to weigh several tons
[18:16:41] <malcom2073> Check out cnczone
[18:16:54] <malcom2073> There are tons of diy CNC machines there, of a wide variety of types and capabilities
[18:17:01] <SpeedEvil> (something that can replace a lathe, mill, drill-press, ...)
[18:17:16] <jthornton> dgmurdockiii, have you looked on the LinuxCNC wiki?
[18:17:17] <SpeedEvil> And cost a lot to make.
[18:17:34] <SpeedEvil> The more you compromise, the cheaper and easier it gets
[18:17:53] <SpeedEvil> The more you spend, the easier it gets
[18:18:49] <jthornton> you can build a cnc mill with skate bearings and all thread and you end up with just that
[18:19:09] <malcom2073> My favorite is drawer slides
[18:20:06] <jthornton> hehe
[18:20:11] <jthornton> that is a good one too
[18:22:12] <jthornton> say goodnight Gracie
[18:29:15] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: just for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PSG2al1Sus
[18:29:32] <malcom2073> Haha
[18:29:36] <malcom2073> Love the text "It's going to be a 3d printer"
[18:30:07] <malcom2073> I like it
[18:30:38] <CaptHindsight> just think of all the filament that could be wasted with that machine
[18:35:01] <SpeedEvil> I'd want to print stuff wider than filliment
[18:35:11] <SpeedEvil> concrete, for example, reinforced with glassfibre
[18:35:12] <malcom2073> They make 1.2mm nozzles now
[18:35:19] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[18:35:25] <malcom2073> That huge machine Capt linked wouldn't be bad for concrete
[18:35:27] <SpeedEvil> But a cubic foot of plastic is exspensive
[18:35:31] <malcom2073> True
[18:35:47] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321210152209 - for example
[18:35:52] <SpeedEvil> this is glassfibre filliment.
[18:36:11] <SpeedEvil> It would need to be run through a polymer so that it was not corroded by concrete.
[18:36:29] <SpeedEvil> But, you could then coextrude concrete and this and get reinforced concrete.
[18:37:04] <SpeedEvil> (it's not very good reinforced concrete, unless you can prestress it but it's a hell of a lot better than bare.
[18:37:12] <malcom2073> yeah was about to say
[18:37:20] <malcom2073> may be better off getting the concrete with the fibers in the mix
[18:37:48] <malcom2073> Or designing it to allow rebar holes, and then flow more concrete in at the end after sticking the rebar inside?
[18:37:51] <SpeedEvil> That's mainly for crack control - it can't take any significant strain
[18:38:14] <SpeedEvil> you can also have rebar and simply stress it with threads at the ends.
[18:38:22] <malcom2073> The chinese "3d printed house" prints a hollow shell, then they stick in rebar and pour normal concrete for the inside
[18:38:24] <SpeedEvil> without actual mechanical fixing along the length
[18:39:16] <malcom2073> That ebay link: "Excellent choppablility"
[18:39:18] <malcom2073> I like that
[18:39:31] <SpeedEvil> It's designed for putting through sprayguns
[18:39:36] <SpeedEvil> with a leetle blade
[18:39:44] <malcom2073> yeah I saw them on some show once
[18:39:51] <SpeedEvil> I am planning to play with pulltrusion
[18:39:52] <malcom2073> Fiberglassing I think?
[18:39:57] <SpeedEvil> yes
[18:40:28] <SpeedEvil> I need to order some UV catalyst
[18:41:58] <malcom2073> Man, I need to order a mesa board. This CNC is sitting in my garage taunting me
[19:03:56] <furrywolf> I hate my ISP.
[19:06:22] <furrywolf> my 3g hotspot stopped connecting to 3g. would just stick at "connecting to 3g". apparantly virgin killed the unlimited 4g plan, and in the process, killed the accounts of everyone on it, such that the hotspots couldn't even get on the cell network.
[19:06:40] <furrywolf> the tech support guy's comment was "we had a lot of problems".
[19:07:24] <furrywolf> at least the hold time was less than 30 seconds, and he already knew what was wrong and how to fix it. have to give them credit for that at least.
[19:08:01] <SpeedEvil> Is it fixed?
[19:08:07] <furrywolf> I started building my enclosure today... got all the cutting done. 6 plates and 11 angles.
[19:08:08] <furrywolf> yes
[19:08:13] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:08:16] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:08:50] <furrywolf> I love carbide metal cutting blades. I cut around 20ft of 1/8" aluminum plate with my cordless saw, effortlessly.
[19:09:11] <SpeedEvil> Well, HSS would have done that too I expect
[19:09:44] <furrywolf> 20 linear feet of cut, in a cordless tool, on a fraction of a battery charge? I doubt it.
[19:11:05] <furrywolf> also, there's something very sexy about a dustpan full of bright shiny alu chips. I need to find a use for them one of these days. :P
[19:12:48] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: got rust?
[19:13:02] <furrywolf> ?
[19:13:08] <furrywolf> chips, not powder. :)
[19:13:16] <SpeedEvil> You just need more of it.
[19:13:20] <SpeedEvil> And a bigger initiator
[19:16:52] <furrywolf> grrr, the guy at virgin stuck me on the wrong plan.
[19:19:23] <furrywolf> he put me on the $35/2gb plan, not the $55/5gb plan, even though he asked twice and I told him the right one twice.
[19:32:13] <XXCoder1> I hate mowing lawn.
[19:32:50] <jdh> outsource it.
[19:32:54] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: yeah theres people that need to be told 10 times, then correct answer tattooed on hand in order to do it right
[19:32:58] <XXCoder1> guy wanted $175
[19:32:59] <XXCoder1> pffft
[19:33:15] <XXCoder1> other guy $65 which is ok but guys new so meh
[19:33:19] <jdh> must be a helluva lawn, last guy here wanted $35
[19:33:29] <XXCoder1> jdh: 2k sqft
[19:33:43] <XXCoder1> no trim, no cleanup
[19:33:46] <jdh> the house or the lawn?
[19:33:52] <XXCoder1> lawn
[19:34:02] <XXCoder1> house itself is 2k or so
[19:34:06] <DaViruz> XXCoder1: http://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/robotic-mowers/husqvarna-robotic-mowers-for-homeowners/
[19:34:33] <XXCoder1> heard people like to steal those
[19:34:48] <DaViruz> that's useless, they are pin code protected
[19:34:58] <DaViruz> afaik noone has cracked them yet
[19:35:06] <XXCoder1> time to build green cpo'd
[19:35:24] <malcom2073> Heh, that costs as much as my mower, could be worth it
[19:35:25] <XXCoder1> yes thats delibrate typo on name lol
[19:37:06] <XXCoder1> anyway this house yard is annoying size
[19:37:17] <XXCoder1> too small for ride type, too large for push type
[19:37:54] <DaViruz> isn't 2000 sqft like.. super tiny?
[19:38:20] <jdh> my yard is tiny. I got a rider
[19:40:43] <XXCoder1> hmm
[19:40:47] <XXCoder1> might be closer to 4k
[19:42:55] <XXCoder1> whoooo
[19:43:04] <XXCoder1> google map zoom out is waaaaay better
[19:44:32] <XXCoder1> it used to zoom out to silly tiled map
[19:44:37] <XXCoder1> now it goes to actual sphere
[19:45:51] <furrywolf> grrrrr. and apparantly someone has stolen the info of yet another of my credit cards. I only use my capitalone card at local buisnesses that do not take amex, and yet it's been stolen.
[19:46:28] <furrywolf> my amex gives me lots of cash back, my capitalone gives me none, so I only use it when I can't use amex. everything online uses amex, and 90% of local shopping goes on the amex...
[19:47:12] <furrywolf> this will be the, dunno, fourth time I've gotten a new credit card in the last two years? staples got it stolen, target got it stolen, a local gas station got it stolen,...
[19:48:21] <furrywolf> since I use this card at so few places, it has to be one of three restaurants, two hardware stores, or interstate battery.
[19:49:48] <jdh> only time I've had that happen was my company amex
[20:20:39] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: that is why I rub out special 3 number on back
[20:21:07] <XXCoder1> makes it harder
[20:21:17] <XXCoder1> well yum time be back in bit
[20:22:48] <norias> looks like i'm trying to win
[20:22:56] <norias> the how tabs can i open my browser game
[20:26:06] <XXCoder1> how many?
[20:26:19] <XXCoder1> yum tater lol
[20:26:59] <norias> hmm several
[20:27:04] <norias> i'm not counting that
[20:27:18] <norias> i think browser should track it
[20:27:20] <norias> like a game
[20:27:33] <norias> a graph of how many tabs you open over time
[20:27:38] <norias> a max score
[20:27:51] <norias> maybe some stats about average tab life
[20:27:57] <norias> max tab life
[20:27:58] <norias> etc
[20:28:30] <XXCoder1> sounds like stats plugin of some kinf
[20:32:23] <norias> true
[20:33:06] <XXCoder1> didnt find any but didnt look hard either
[21:01:44] <norias> youch
[21:01:48] <norias> put my legs up
[21:01:51] <norias> for a bit
[21:01:55] <norias> and thought i was stuck
[21:10:36] <XXCoder1> remember gravioty is higher then you lean back, and gravity is highest when youre in bed and tired
[21:12:04] <norias> that's... general relativity, right?
[21:12:13] <norias> it depends on your intertial refference frame
[21:12:21] <XXCoder1> nah just fact of life lol
[21:26:39] <Crom> man... sending a kid to Santa Cruz is NOT CHEAP!!!
[21:27:34] <Crom> $10xx a month for a room $10300 a year + meal plan
[21:27:43] <norias> hmm
[21:27:44] <norias> ok
[21:27:54] <Jymmm> Crom: Hard hard is it to tell em to thumb it like al the other dirty hippies in sC
[21:28:06] <XXCoder1> what for?
[21:28:52] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: (I think he means UC Santa Cruz, but the town is full of dirty hippies)
[21:29:06] <Jymmm> It's a lovely freak show to watch though =)
[21:29:14] <XXCoder1> hippies is fine. better than hipsers
[21:29:31] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: of course
[21:29:45] <XXCoder1> just saw the tallest hipser today
[21:29:46] <Jymmm> but a fine line
[21:29:50] <XXCoder1> he was over 7 feet tall
[21:30:02] <roycroft> i'm a hippie
[21:30:07] <roycroft> but i shower regularly
[21:30:10] <XXCoder1> im 1/4 hippie
[21:30:20] <roycroft> and i'm allergic to patchouli
[21:30:28] <Jymmm> lol
[21:30:36] <Jymmm> roycroft: with soap?
[21:30:38] <XXCoder1> I support pot but I dont smoke em, saw no need
[21:30:41] <roycroft> yes, with soap
[21:30:43] <roycroft> and water
[21:30:50] <Jymmm> roycroft: home made soap?
[21:30:53] <roycroft> no
[21:30:58] <roycroft> well, not home made by me
[21:31:01] <roycroft> sometimes home made by someone else
[21:31:01] <Jymmm> roycroft: Ok, you may pass
[21:31:21] <roycroft> i make my own tie dye shirts though
[21:31:31] * Jymmm grabs the DIRTY HIPPY stamps and smacks roycroft across the forehead
[21:31:39] <Crom> I'm big time allergic to Latex, so no night shades, raw potatos, no melons even water mellon
[21:31:43] <XXCoder1> I have preppy hippie tie dye clothes
[21:31:44] <roycroft> and i'm making some delicious beer right now
[21:31:52] <XXCoder1> I did it delberately lol
[21:32:06] <Crom> I LIKE wearing bell bottoms
[21:32:19] <roycroft> come to think of it, the country fair is coming up fairly soon
[21:32:20] <XXCoder1> I hate pants
[21:32:24] <XXCoder1> shorts is my fav
[21:32:24] <Crom> little wider than boot flare
[21:32:30] <roycroft> i need to schedule some time to tie dye
[21:32:36] <Crom> sarongs are good too
[21:32:39] <roycroft> i always make a few shirts for the country fair every year
[21:33:05] * roycroft wears a utilikilt often when it gets hot
[21:33:33] <Crom> I only wear shorts in the snow or inside. Sarongs or long pants and long sleeves
[21:34:05] <XXCoder1> shprts 8-9 months of year, only 3-4 months pants
[21:34:06] <Crom> utilikilts are too freak'n expensive
[21:34:22] <roycroft> nothing like a little ventilation for your twig and berries
[21:34:41] <Crom> ahh regimetal
[21:34:46] <Crom> ahh regimental
[21:34:55] <roycroft> always regimental!
[21:35:34] <Crom> which is why utilikilts are too short
[21:35:37] <roycroft> sweaty tallywags are the worst
[21:35:42] <roycroft> mine is the proper length
[21:35:54] <roycroft> it comes down to the top of my knee
[21:36:22] <Crom> I like sarongs better, comes down to my ankles but they flow more air.
[21:36:40] <Crom> and they are portable changing rooms too
[21:37:18] <Crom> , sling, hammock, backpack, manpurse, jacket
[21:52:00] <XXCoder1> yo
[21:52:24] <norias> wait
[22:01:27] <Jymmm> Shaleoko...
[22:01:33] <Jymmm> moving
[22:01:34] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVRXTZdxo3E
[22:02:08] <Jymmm> being built (looooooooooooooong) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy6A3Mif0QY
[22:02:08] <XXCoder1> lol like the intro
[22:02:30] <Jymmm> yeah, the ntro was pretty good
[22:02:49] <Jymmm> I dont like the thickness of the "end plates"
[22:03:07] <XXCoder1> looks quite thin
[22:03:20] <Jymmm> But, other than that, really cant bitch baout it
[22:03:54] <Jymmm> totally adjustable
[22:04:02] <PetefromTn_> we still talking about that Shapeoko piece of shit? ;)
[22:04:31] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: what makes it a POS ?
[22:04:44] <PetefromTn_> is it yours?
[22:04:49] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: what makes it a POS ?
[22:04:57] <PetefromTn_> is it yours?
[22:05:06] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Yeah, thats what I thought
[22:05:17] <PetefromTn_> then it's freakin' marvelous!
[22:05:26] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[22:06:08] <PetefromTn_> what are you going to do with it?
[22:19:01] <XXCoder1> bah
[22:19:05] <XXCoder1> can't find my grinder
[22:19:17] <XXCoder1> so I cant modify my motor mounts to have groove for screw
[22:22:30] <PetefromTn_> what kind of grinder?
[22:22:42] <XXCoder1> metal hand grinder
[22:22:52] <XXCoder1> dont need to be very precise
[22:34:31] <archivist> t12, no idea
[22:43:29] <t12> hm