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[00:16:04] <zeeshan|2> t12: i have both mitutoyo and chinese set
[00:16:22] <zeeshan|2> measured both with a dial indicator that goes .0001" on a surface plate
[00:16:30] <zeeshan|2> and i cant see any differences for the majority of the blocks i tested
[00:16:55] <zeeshan|2> sleep time! :D
[00:22:51] <xxoxx> anbody experiencing gzip and tar errors ?
[00:23:04] <xxoxx> simple tar.gz and tar files won't deflat
[00:23:08] <xxoxx> ubuntu 10.0.4 LTS
[00:34:34] <xxoxx> sftp seems to be broken
[02:08:43] <Deejay> moin
[02:09:01] <XXCoder> boo
[02:28:51] <xxoxx> sftp is broken
[03:03:39] <Jymmm> BB KING died today
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-32747861
[03:17:24] * Loetmichel2 just has "upgraded" his company laptop to "cad workstation"... aaaand now i can SEE what i do ;-) --> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15795&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[03:46:35] <xxoxx> hello
[04:10:27] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 nice
[04:12:29] <Tom_itx> Loetmichel, kind takes over the place ehh?
[04:21:19] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: kind?
[05:58:53] <jthornton> I wonder how I did this, now every file I open wants to be opened by linuxcnc in debian wheeezy
[05:59:52] <_methods> open with drop down?
[06:03:15] <_methods> i think it remembers the the last thing you select when you right click a file and use the open with dialog
[06:03:54] <_methods> not sure how it would try to open EVERY file with it though
[06:04:01] <archivist> bit like the windows file association
[06:04:25] <archivist> did you open a no extension one?
[06:04:55] <_methods> ah yeah that might do it
[06:06:59] <jthornton> seems like it thinks any text file is the same no matter what the extension
[06:07:24] <jthornton> I had thought it might run a .ini file with linuxcnc only but was wrong
[06:11:42] <_methods> http://askubuntu.com/questions/16580/where-are-file-associations-stored
[06:12:04] <_methods> not sure how much real help that will be
[06:13:05] <_methods> you might be able to deleted/rename one of those mime lists and force it to use a default list
[06:14:06] <_methods> debian is using thunar by default right?
[06:15:15] <_methods> might want to look at a thunar specific mime type list location and schema
[06:15:41] <jthornton> yea, it uses thunar
[06:22:52] <_methods> hmm i guess under settings there is a mime type editor
[06:23:11] <_methods> yep
[06:23:45] <_methods> make sure you don't have anything in the all/all and all/allfiles
[06:25:17] <_methods> heh looks like i need to go through and clean my mimetypes up also
[06:25:22] <_methods> damn freecad
[06:25:50] <_methods> set itself to be default to open my pgp keys.......
[06:40:17] <jthornton> well I found my git secrets and got 2.7 branch checked out but can't seem to find how to create a new branch
[06:41:04] <jthornton> ah git gui to the rescue
[06:47:06] <jthornton> now my ssh stuff is messed up with git
[07:27:18] <Tom_itx> you're meddling too much
[07:28:01] <Tom_itx> weekend goal: have a rigid tap video
[07:28:06] <jthornton> when I set up backuppc I had to generate keys
[07:28:21] <jthornton> now git has the wrong key
[07:28:22] <Tom_itx> yeah stuff snowballs
[07:28:58] <Tom_itx> bad resistor or open on the mesa board may have been my culprit all along
[07:29:02] <jthornton> yea, I'm installing a zillion dependencies so I can build the docs now
[07:30:24] <Tom_itx> rebuilt the bitfile and moved the RX over to another pin set to try later today
[08:02:04] <nema34-cnc> morning
[08:04:22] <nema34-cnc> how I can reset the dro?
[08:06:28] <archivist> touch off and axis homing are the concepts you need
[08:07:12] <nema34-cnc> probe tripped during non-probe MDI command.
[08:07:23] <nema34-cnc> I'm get this error^
[08:07:58] <nema34-cnc> the probe is not connect to the board, and i never install it.
[08:08:05] <archivist> your first question has no relation to the second comment
[08:09:04] <nema34-cnc> when I try to do touch off i get the probe error.
[08:09:05] <archivist> have you configured the probe though
[08:09:33] <nema34-cnc> I'm never set it up.
[08:09:44] <nema34-cnc> I put it back in the box.
[08:12:18] <archivist> in linuxcnc I mean
[08:13:45] <nema34-cnc> no, I'm never set it up.
[08:14:30] <archivist> pastebin your hal and ini files in one pastebin
[08:14:32] <nema34-cnc> I download the files but you never guide me what to do with them so I've put it bac in the box.
[08:14:35] <nema34-cnc> http://i.imgur.com/51e1Cg3.png
[08:14:42] <nema34-cnc> this is the error^
[08:15:11] <nema34-cnc> it's happen when i press the "home axis" button
[08:15:40] <archivist> this error implies you have set up linuxcnc to know about a probe
[08:15:56] <archivist> please try to understand error messages
[08:16:44] <nema34-cnc> http://paste.debian.net/177551/
[08:17:02] <nema34-cnc> this is the hal^
[08:17:13] <nema34-cnc> http://paste.debian.net/177552/
[08:17:20] <nema34-cnc> this is the ini^
[08:18:04] <archivist> line 23
[08:18:20] <nema34-cnc> in what file?
[08:18:26] <archivist> and 37
[08:19:17] <nema34-cnc> in which file?
[08:19:57] <archivist> is it so hard to find
[08:20:16] <nema34-cnc> but what the issue?
[08:20:54] <archivist> the issue is you have configured a pin and it is in the wrong state
[08:21:27] <nema34-cnc> you mean the LPT pin?
[08:21:57] <nema34-cnc> how to solve it?
[08:22:14] <nema34-cnc> you can tell me do this this and this.. to solve it??
[08:22:31] <archivist> connect the probe, or connect the correct state to that input
[08:22:54] <nema34-cnc> ok
[08:23:30] <archivist> I have no intention of telling you step by step instructions, else you will never learn to diagnose problems
[08:24:29] <nema34-cnc> the probe is now connected.
[08:32:48] <nema34-cnc> archivist, what to do??
[08:33:33] <archivist> think, remember what andupugh showed you
[08:34:32] <nema34-cnc> I have no idea what your talking about.
[08:34:55] <archivist> andypugh nema34-cnc: This might interst you:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/29187-work-with-probe
[08:35:03] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/mill02.html
[08:35:57] <nema34-cnc> archivist, <nema34-cnc> I download the files but you never guide me what to do with them so I've put it bac in the box.
[08:36:54] <archivist> you have to read said files, I am not going to read for you, it is above my pay grade
[08:37:34] <archivist> it is not me who needs to understand, it is you
[08:38:08] <nema34-cnc> archivist, maybe your swim in this program like a dolphin, I'm not. the file don't tell me anything, I'm not familiar at all with the operating system, how do you want me to set it up without ANY ANY help???
[08:39:29] <archivist> I expect some self help with less wining, and better questions
[08:39:41] <jthornton> good luck
[08:39:48] <jthornton> dang make is still running
[08:40:09] <jthornton> just done, lets see the errors now
[08:40:24] <nema34-cnc> but this is my 3rd day that I try to get help from you.
[08:40:58] <archivist> only 3 days!
[08:41:11] <archivist> most of use spend months learning
[08:41:36] <jthornton> I spend years trying to get linux to install
[08:41:43] <archivist> dont bite the hand that feeds you either
[08:43:24] <nema34-cnc> so.. why not to share some of the learning like the debian irc channel that help me a lot to understand the operating system, and help me to send you the errors of your program
[08:43:27] <jthornton> nema34-cnc, the normal irc etiquette is to ask your question giving as much detail as possible to the channel. IF someone is here AND can answer they will
[08:44:21] <jthornton> just because one person answered your first question doesn't mean they have to answer the second one that is why you just ask the question and wait
[08:45:07] <nema34-cnc> I'm really don't know why you give me such a hard time with the setup.
[08:45:30] <jthornton> who is "you"
[08:46:06] <nema34-cnc> the people in this room
[08:47:00] <jthornton> we are all trying to help but you don't understand that you have to do some of the work
[08:48:09] <nema34-cnc> you see new person, insted of guide him, help him to understan the basic, nothing.. here some out dated manuals, no go away.. about the probe here is link to the forum. now deal with it. - this is how I fill here.
[08:49:27] <nema34-cnc> archivist, ^
[08:51:05] <nema34-cnc> Someone can help me?? please??
[08:51:48] <nema34-cnc> guide me how to do the setup correct.
[08:53:03] <malcom2073> nema34-cnc: complaining about the help you're getting for free isn't likely to get you any better help
[08:53:38] <nema34-cnc> malcom2073, do you want me to pay?
[08:54:01] <malcom2073> nema34-cnc: I don't, but there are people you can pay to configure a linuxcnc system for you
[08:54:36] <malcom2073> Also, I know nothing about probes, so couldn't help there anyway :)
[08:54:37] <nema34-cnc> how I find them?
[08:55:01] <malcom2073> Ask your local machinest/cnc group
[08:55:15] <JT-Shop> now you have hurt my feelings, you should have seen the manuals years ago
[08:56:21] <nema34-cnc> malcom2073, do you know how to set this up? what files to edit.
[08:56:22] <nema34-cnc> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/29187-work-with-probe
[08:56:30] <malcom2073> [09:32:41] <malcom2073> Also, I know nothing about probes, so couldn't help there anyway :)
[08:56:33] <JT-Shop> oh that's right you have only been here 3 days, how could you know about the manuals from years ago
[08:56:53] <malcom2073> Hell I've been here for a year now, and I *still* have barely scratched the surface of stuff.
[08:57:26] <archivist> we cannot see any attempt at self learning, just fixitformenow
[08:57:48] <JT-Shop> that is step by step instructions!
[08:58:49] <JT-Shop> if nema34-cnc wants help on versers code you need to ask him on the forum
[08:58:53] <archivist> I too have no probes or limit switches so will not provide any step by step probe or switch answers
[08:59:07] * JT-Shop goes to work
[09:00:38] <nema34-cnc> archivist, I don't want the "fixitformenow" I want some serious help with some one that can guide me, step by step, and dubble check with me that everything was setup right, and the machine is operated safe at the software level.
[09:05:03] <nema34-cnc> malcom2073, ?^
[09:05:13] <nema34-cnc> jthornton, ^
[09:05:16] <malcom2073> nema34-cnc: I'm only gonna say it once more, [09:32:41] <malcom2073> Also, I know nothing about probes, so couldn't help there anyway :)
[09:05:16] <malcom2073> :P
[09:05:40] <malcom2073> But as someone else said, talk to that guy on the forums
[09:05:58] <archivist> I cannot do that over IRC from 5000 miles away
[09:06:55] <archivist> especially if the user does not help me help them
[09:10:14] <JT-Shop> heh
[09:13:32] <nema34-cnc> Very funny.. wow
[09:16:13] <archivist> it is not funny at all
[09:19:54] <_methods> scored this for $130
http://imgur.com/N9SQYL4
[09:20:32] <_methods> brown and sharpe 36"
[09:20:48] <malcom2073> Nice!
[09:21:04] <_methods> yeah man i got a lot of scraping ahead of me lol
[09:21:18] <_methods> it's not in the best shape
[09:21:19] <malcom2073> haha
[09:21:23] <malcom2073> Was gonna aks
[09:21:24] <malcom2073> ask*
[09:21:36] <_methods> it needs work but still
[09:21:39] <_methods> for $130
[09:21:53] <_methods> couldn't pass that up
[09:21:54] <archivist> the straight edge other item ?
[09:21:58] <archivist> or both
[09:22:02] <_methods> the straight edge
[09:22:17] <JT-Shop> anyone know if there are any issues with cleaning ss in hcl prior to powder coating
[09:22:37] <_methods> hmm no idea never powder coated stainless
[09:23:03] <archivist> nor me
[09:23:10] <_methods> is it magnetic stainless?
[09:23:24] <JT-Shop> I mean any reaction with the acid?
[09:23:50] <JT-Shop> non-magnetic ss
[09:24:14] <_methods> hmm i'm not sure
[09:24:20] <_methods> 304?
[09:26:44] <JT-Shop> looking
[09:28:02] <_methods> All concentrations of hydrochloric acid will attack
[09:28:02] <_methods> stainless steels since the acid readily destroys their
[09:28:04] <_methods> passivity
[09:28:14] <_methods> http://www.parrinst.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2011/07/Parr_Stainless-Steels-Corrosion-Info.pdf
[09:28:17] <_methods> from that
[09:28:25] <JT-Shop> yea 304
[09:28:32] <_methods> not sure if it will mess with the powder coat though
[09:28:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nickelinstitute.org/~/Media/Files/TechnicalLiterature/CleaningandDescalingStainlessSteel_9001_.pdf
[09:28:49] <JT-Shop> thanks
[09:29:39] <CaptHindsight> besides the possible pitting what is left on the surface might be from reactions from impurities in the SS
[09:29:55] <_methods> why would you powdercoat stainless
[09:30:11] <CaptHindsight> color
[09:30:15] <_methods> that's like painting over cherry lol
[09:30:18] <JT-Shop> because I have 50pcs in ss
[09:30:21] <_methods> or walnut
[09:30:22] <_methods> hehe
[09:30:38] <JT-Shop> and I don't sell as many ss as powder coated
[09:30:58] <JT-Shop> I think I'll stick to debur and wipe down with Pre on the ss
[09:31:19] <_methods> it should be fine if you can neutralize all the acid
[09:31:27] <_methods> if it's an easy to clean part
[09:31:39] <_methods> no fasteners or small tight corners?
[09:32:11] <CaptHindsight> just use a good powdercoat and get the surface rough for better adhesion
[09:32:14] <JT-Shop> after the acid bath I dip in a baking soda bath then water then sodium nitrite then dry in the oven
[09:32:55] <JT-Shop> the part
http://gnipsel.com/spyderstore/index.php?route=product/product&path=63&product_id=50
[09:33:14] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: are you using a urethane powder?
[09:33:34] <_methods> oh yeah nice and simple cleaning it with acid should be fine i would think
[09:33:57] <_methods> or just blast it
[09:36:23] <JT-Shop> I use Eastwood and it doesn't say what kind it is
[09:37:07] <JT-Shop> I hate blasting worse than demanding people
[09:37:13] <_methods> hahahah
[09:37:34] <_methods> well guess that rules out blasting
[09:37:58] <JT-Shop> I have a small blasting cabinet and it leaks so it is a PIA to blast
[09:38:35] <_methods> looks like it's pretty easy to get shitty adhesion powdercoating stainless
[09:38:58] <JT-Shop> ouch
[09:39:07] <archivist> roughing it by blasting might make it stick better
[09:39:38] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop:
http://www.prismaticpowders.com/powder-coating-colors/ check them out
[09:39:45] <archivist> but still the reason it is stainless will make adhesion difficult anyway
[09:40:00] <CaptHindsight> I often get overstock or clearance powder for $1-2/lb
[09:40:05] <_methods> yeah i'd call a powdercoat distributor on this one
[09:40:26] <CaptHindsight> primer plus finish coat
[09:41:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.prismaticpowders.com/resource/knowledgebase/topic/3/
[09:42:47] <_methods> which one should we be reading?
[09:44:52] <JT-Shop> What Can Be Powder Coated? Typically any metal object that can hold the electrostatic charge needed to affix the sprayed powder and can tolerate the high heat levels of the curing process. Mild steel, galvanized and electroplated steel, aluminum, stainless steel and most other steel alloys can be powder coated.
[09:44:58] <JT-Shop> http://www.psppowdercoating.com/index-4.html
[09:45:02] <JT-Shop> brb
[09:46:09] <_methods> i had no idea you could powdercoat galvanized
[09:46:42] <sysdef> i'm searching for a preemt-rt kernel for debian stable i386. someone has a hint for me? (wiki, repo, ...?)
[09:46:51] <CaptHindsight> powder coatings are thermoplastics that have a Tg (softening temp) that is >80C and melts ~150C
[09:47:07] <sysdef> s/3/6/
[09:47:58] <CaptHindsight> the heat reflows them but not hot enough to make them drip or run
[09:48:32] <pcw_home> any reason to not just use the latest Preemt-RT?
[09:49:09] <pcw_home> (3.18.13-rt9 as of today)
[09:51:47] <CaptHindsight> you can also powdercoat plastic with UV cured powder, it has a lower Tg so you heat it to a lower temp and then use UV to cure it
[09:52:22] <CaptHindsight> the plastic just needs to have a higher Tg than the powder
[09:52:41] <fogl> hello, is there a way to load the some rtai standalone module that has hal pins that could be accessed within standard hal interface?
[09:53:34] <fogl> who is the author of hal... is this part of rtai or is this part of Linuxcnc that upgrades rtai?
[09:53:36] <cradek> you can run hal without linuxcnc
[09:54:02] <sysdef> pcw_home: afaik there is no rt kernel yet in debian stable repos
[09:54:05] <cradek> hal is not part of rtai, it runs under rtai and also under other realtime systems
[09:54:26] <pcw_home> why would you care?
[09:54:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dvuv.com/ powder coated wood
[09:55:03] <fogl> to be sure i am at the right place to ask questions :)
[09:55:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.pfonline.com/articles/preparation-of-stainless-steel-for-powder-coating
[09:56:01] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: ^^
[09:56:33] <CaptHindsight> http://forum.caswellplating.com/powder-coating-questions/9342-powdercoating-stainless-steel.html
[09:56:43] <sysdef> pcw_home: the discussion is not helpful at all. i was asking for a hint how to get the kernel (best practice). there should be a wiki article, a repo or something
[09:59:02] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: looks like Sand blast=Good, Iron phos= Better, Phos with a little floride=Best for SS prep
[09:59:59] <JT-Shop> I just have HCL acid, so I guess blasting
[10:01:08] <CaptHindsight> I'd say that is fine for that part, if you had SS rims that would see lots of abuse then I'd get more critical with the chemical prepping
[10:01:55] <JT-Shop> I'll try a few and see
[10:02:10] <JT-Shop> I have 50 CR to do first
[10:03:15] <CaptHindsight> the suggestion by Tiger Drylac is just "sanding, brushing or blasting the surface"
[10:04:34] <_methods> that tiger drylac stuff is great
[10:06:14] <_methods> wow powder coated wood
[10:06:16] <_methods> that's cool
[10:07:53] <CaptHindsight> you can use powdercoat like laser toner, you can selectively coat and cure with a laser
[10:08:51] <_methods> yeah as soon as the military approves powder coating we'll never paint anything again
[10:09:12] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tucck3iyC8M Laser Marking Powder Coated Aluminum
[10:10:50] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/RIpZkLFWuMc?t=1m9s selective laser curing powder
[10:12:49] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I'm working on UV cured coatings for similar mil spec applications
[10:13:04] <_methods> they need to hurry up and approve the process
[10:13:05] <CaptHindsight> you can even apply them in the cold and cure in seconds
[10:14:03] <_methods> well carc powder coat that is
[10:14:24] <_methods> https://www.ncms.org/wp-content/NCMS_files/CTMA/Symposium2011/presentations/WedTrack4AM/Escarsega%20Powder%20MC%20April%206th%20FINAL.pdf
[10:14:30] <_methods> that update is from 2011 lol
[10:19:51] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I bet whoever sells them liquid coatings is probably holding it up
[10:20:09] <_methods> http://www.pfonline.com/articles/battle-for-carc-powder-coating-
[10:20:18] <_methods> that's from 2013
[10:20:55] <CaptHindsight> heh, PPG that is who we are replacing with radcure
[10:21:26] <_methods> oh yeah?
[10:22:14] <CaptHindsight> replacing their solvent heat cured with 100% solids zero VOC radcure
[11:29:23] <zeeshan|2> whats the point of line numbers
[11:29:33] <zeeshan|2> when you dont even see need them! :P
[11:29:37] <zeeshan|2> see/need
[11:30:06] <jthornton> they used to be important in basic programming lol
[11:30:28] <zeeshan|2> like linuxcnc lists its own line numbers
[11:30:32] <zeeshan|2> so makes them completely useless? :D
[11:30:42] <zeeshan|2> im talking about the ones like
[11:30:45] <zeeshan|2> n100 n200 etc
[11:30:56] <jthornton> I don't understand your question
[11:31:09] <archivist> there were used in pre history
[11:31:12] <jthornton> LinuxCNC does not create line numbers like n100
[11:31:15] <archivist> they
[11:31:26] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/TzIeos3.png
[11:31:29] <zeeshan|2> it doesnt create them
[11:31:35] <zeeshan|2> but you can see the line numbers right there 1. 2. 3.
[11:31:36] <zeeshan|2> etc
[11:32:15] <archivist> those are just editor type numbers, a guide to be used when you get an error message
[11:32:16] <jthornton> that helps you when you have an error
[11:32:36] <zeeshan|2> right
[11:32:41] <zeeshan|2> but whatrs the point of n100 n200?
[11:32:46] <zeeshan|2> your editor will also have line numbers
[11:32:52] <archivist> those are from your cam
[11:33:06] <jthornton> there is no point in n100 but it is not an error either
[11:33:13] <archivist> optional; and not used these days
[11:34:03] <zeeshan|2> so basically remove them to lessen the clutter? :D
[11:34:19] <archivist> just stop worrying :)
[11:34:23] <jthornton> set your post processor to not use them
[11:34:45] <zeeshan|2> hey, i gotta have at least a rant per day
[11:34:49] <zeeshan|2> im turning 31, a bitter old man
[11:35:29] * archivist slaps the child
[11:44:25] <zeeshan|2> have you guys ever got a string chip like this: about 4" long, starts 1" of it is silver/gray , another 2" is blue , another 1" is gray
[11:44:29] <zeeshan|2> its like the middle of the chip is hot ?
[11:44:37] <zeeshan|2> when doing a simple turning cut..
[11:44:43] <zeeshan|2> (roughing)
[11:44:54] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/u8mGzbT.jpg
[11:44:57] <zeeshan|2> you can see the chips kinda here
[11:46:15] <archivist> the blue takes time to occur (oxidization)
[11:47:19] <zeeshan|2> but why does it bgo back
[11:47:21] <archivist> you may have some variable hardness in the material
[11:47:21] <zeeshan|2> to grey again?
[11:47:58] <cradek> steel has a bunch of colors it goes through as you heat it
[11:48:06] <zeeshan|2> no youre not understanding me
[11:48:07] <zeeshan|2> !!
[11:48:17] <archivist> I am :)
[11:48:20] <zeeshan|2> +++++-----------------------+++++
[11:48:21] <zeeshan|2> its doing that
[11:48:25] <zeeshan|2> + = gray, ----- blue
[11:48:32] <zeeshan|2> it comes back to not hot again
[11:48:35] <zeeshan|2> after the chip flies off
[11:48:43] <zeeshan|2> usually its +++--------------------------------
[11:48:45] <cradek> I bet the start and end colors aren't the same
[11:48:49] <archivist> grey,soft blue hard,grey soft again
[11:49:08] <cradek> ooh this is pretty:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempering_%28metallurgy%29#/media/File:Tempering_colors_in_steel.jpg
[11:49:48] <archivist> that deep blue is critical :)
[11:50:22] <cradek> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Tempering_standards_used_in_blacksmithing.JPG
[11:50:36] <cradek> looks like there's greyish on both ends
[11:51:45] <zeeshan|2> ha!
[11:51:46] <archivist> was it smoking too
[11:51:50] <zeeshan|2> that makes sense cradek
[11:51:53] <zeeshan|2> that it got SUPER hot after
[11:52:13] <cradek> it's possible I guess...?
[11:52:30] <zeeshan|2> yes
[11:52:35] <cradek> but archivist usually knows more than I do :-)
[11:52:37] <zeeshan|2> very possible, i didnt know it went gray again
[11:52:46] <archivist> I dont!
[11:53:01] <zeeshan|2> http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/352015/1423161672_2075234907_blacksmithingcolorchart.jpg
[11:53:04] <zeeshan|2> wow i learned something new.
[11:53:08] <zeeshan|2> it goes back grey again hahah
[11:53:15] <zeeshan|2> shit maybe i was running too much sfm.
[11:53:32] <zeeshan|2> one insert lasted 10 feet of cut though
[11:53:33] <cradek> if your tool survived it was fine!
[11:53:58] <zeeshan|2> ccmt 32.51
[11:54:10] <archivist> some are only rated for minutes of cutting time
[11:55:18] <zeeshan|2> on a completely different note
[11:55:19] <jthornton> dang windoze computers take a while to back up... days even
[11:55:26] <zeeshan|2> i found this in the back of my engineering building
[11:55:28] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/FJNZCBh.jpg
[11:55:37] <zeeshan|2> from some xray diffractor machine?
[11:55:49] <zeeshan|2> all i know is its a shit load of 24v dc pneumatic solenoids!
[11:55:55] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/F3Xi1MT.jpg
[11:56:04] <zeeshan|2> they will come handy
[11:56:23] <archivist> not a mitutoyo guessing stick!
[11:56:56] <zeeshan|2> wassat
[11:57:20] <archivist> the caliper
[11:58:39] <zeeshan|2> i need a new mitutoyo caliper
[11:58:44] <zeeshan|2> mine got destroyed over the weekend..
[11:58:54] <zeeshan|2> i won't get into details, but lets just say my gf destroyed it
[11:58:55] <zeeshan|2> :(
[11:59:04] <archivist> try to fix it
[11:59:10] <zeeshan|2> i cant
[11:59:14] <zeeshan|2> inside jaws are completely bent
[11:59:20] <zeeshan|2> they saw 3000lb of force
[11:59:35] <zeeshan|2> it got pinched in the adjustment nut for the drawbar and the drawbar
[11:59:54] <zeeshan|2> she let go of the tool release button accidently while iwas measuring
[12:00:01] <zeeshan|2> (summary)
[12:00:02] <zeeshan|2> :d
[12:00:11] <SpeedEvil> Ebay.
[12:00:11] <archivist> ah your fault!
[12:00:14] <SpeedEvil> 'easy fix'
[12:00:36] <zeeshan|2> dude i was so mad
[12:00:39] <zeeshan|2> but whatever, it can be replaced
[12:00:48] <zeeshan|2> she didnt do it on purpose
[12:00:52] <zeeshan|2> just slipped :P
[12:01:05] <SpeedEvil> Be grateful it was teh calipers
[12:01:07] <SpeedEvil> and not fingers
[12:01:12] <zeeshan|2> yep
[12:01:28] <SpeedEvil> you can buy fingers, but installing them is a problem.
[12:01:33] <zeeshan|2> hahaha
[12:02:03] <SpeedEvil> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-british-army-sergeant-arrested-after-wifes-parachute-fails/
[12:25:23] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: nice dumpster dive!
[12:26:59] <archivist> over here a person can be called a skip rat
[12:28:08] <Jymmm> I love dumpster diving, it's like a treasure hunt, you never know what you'll find. Same goes with yard sales, flea market, etc.
[12:30:28] <Jymmm> I got this awesome work cart at the surplus store and even the guy ringing it up couldn't believe it "Really? $20? Really?" someone had mismarked it =)
[12:34:30] <Jymmm> This was a craigslist FREEBIE...
http://imgur.com/5cKoJP9
[12:35:38] <Jymmm> The blue cart in that pic was $20 off craigslist too =)
[12:36:18] <Jymmm> converts from a two wheel hand truck to a 4 wheel dolly.
[12:37:00] <archivist> scrap yards are good for cheap stuff too
[12:38:23] <Jymmm> archivist: metals?
[12:38:36] <archivist> and complete objects
[12:38:43] <Jymmm> ah
[12:42:22] <Jymmm> I love those shallow draw cabinets, make GREAT tool boxes
[12:42:34] <archivist> fleabay is a good stomping ground for badly described stuff
[12:44:33] <Jymmm> If somebody was smart, this is just free plywood to me...
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/zip/5020602615.html
[12:46:14] <archivist> firewood, fuel cost to collect
[12:47:12] <Jymmm> If you needed plywood, fuel cost wouldn't be a factor
[12:47:29] <Jymmm> Look, free caskets...
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/zip/5020602615.html
[12:48:48] <Tom_itx> is it free or for sale? seems they can't make up their mind
[12:49:45] <Jymmm> They're free, they have 5 ads posted =)
[12:50:08] <Jymmm> caskets correct link
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/zip/5021916120.html
[12:52:52] <Jymmm> Microwave went out, got a brand new one off CL for $40 and less than a mile away.
[12:57:17] <Jymmm> I've been very fortunate in my finds I will have to say.
[13:44:25] <Tom_itx> PCW, i moved sserial RX to another pair of pins and now i get 3.07v across the RX pair and 4.39v across the TX pair so the voltage followed the wires
[13:44:50] <Tom_itx> prior to moving them i measured those RX pins and got .xx V
[13:45:04] <Tom_itx> don't recall exactly but it was minimal
[13:45:49] <Tom_itx> still getting the invalid cookie error as well
[13:46:15] <Tom_itx> and the DoIt not cleared error
[13:48:40] <Tom_itx> and the pins i moved the RX from (now empty) measure .104v across the pair
[13:51:08] <Tom_itx> i did move all the addf lines within the hm2...0.read hm2...0.write lines but it didn't seem to matter
[14:11:56] <furrywolf> I should build my enclosure today, but I'm pretty tired. bleh.
[14:14:47] <furrywolf> it wouldn't become function today, but it might be able to become a box.
[14:14:59] <furrywolf> I need to cut out holes for plugs... and I still have no working cad/cam software.
[14:15:08] <XXCoder> hey
[14:15:11] <XXCoder> your cnc mill?
[14:15:44] <furrywolf> yes
[14:16:23] <furrywolf> right now it's functional, but the electronics are spread around around it, sitting on top of it, etc, all loose. need to build an enclosure. I want to nicely cut out a bunch of neat holes with engraved labels, but that requires cad+cam...
[14:17:50] <cradek> furrywolf: truetype-tracer can help you do nice labels
[14:18:46] <furrywolf> yes, and I could manually write the code for the various different shape holes... but I really want to learn a working cad+cam package to do things like this. this is something simple I could do by hand, or even manually machine... but it's a good "learn cad already!" project.
[14:18:56] <cradek> ahh
[14:19:28] <furrywolf> the steppers get round holes, the limits square holes, and XYZAB written next to them. :P
[14:22:26] <JT-Shop> what cad cam are you using?
[14:23:40] <furrywolf> none at the moment.
[14:25:05] <JT-Shop> I would use truetype tracer for letters
[14:25:37] <JT-Shop> I assume you have seen all the simple g code generators on the wiki
[14:26:12] <furrywolf> I've seen some of them. I don't want a simple gcode generator. I need to find and learn to use cad+cam software one of these days... might as well do it when I have a simple beginner-level project.
[14:26:44] <JT-Shop> you don't "find" a cad/cam program, you purchase them
[14:27:07] <archivist> there some free, but
[14:27:15] <JT-Shop> but
[14:27:53] <archivist> truetype tracer is free is cam
[14:27:56] * furrywolf would prefer to stick with open-source software...
[14:28:07] <archivist> and open source
[14:28:39] <furrywolf> has freecad stopped sucking? I can't upgrade debian to find out easily...
[14:28:48] <archivist> there is not a lot of quality cam though
[14:29:20] <XXCoder> so far best (for me) is solvespace but its still VERY basic and incomplete
[14:29:58] <XXCoder> freecad crashes less but still not very good
[14:33:02] <furrywolf> this is a really simple task... some circles and boxes cut out, plus some writing cut at a shallower depth.
[14:33:41] <archivist> learning hand coding is good for you too
[14:36:36] <jthornton> I tend to use the best tool for the job and don't use complicated tools for simple jobs
[14:37:04] <furrywolf> G01 X1 Y0 G01 Z-0.1 G02 X1 Y0 I-1 J0 G01 Z1 G01 Y3 G02 X1 Y3 I-1 J0...
[14:37:27] <furrywolf> d'oh, forgot to put the cutter back down for the second circle
[14:37:50] <XXCoder> or back up before crossing to other one heh
[14:38:18] <furrywolf> eh? that I did do. :P
[14:38:34] <furrywolf> probably should have done a rapid instead of a feedrate move too...
[14:38:47] <XXCoder> Just thought up a possibility
[14:38:54] <XXCoder> didnt really read your code
[14:39:38] <furrywolf> lol
[14:40:04] <furrywolf> my g-code isn't great, but I can usually manage with enough tries...
[14:40:35] <XXCoder> work uses preditor cad
[14:40:40] <XXCoder> predator
[14:40:55] <XXCoder> it has previews but niot free and likely not open source
[14:41:16] <furrywolf> G00 Iraq G01 civilains G01 Z-1...
[14:42:21] <archivist> cut air in the machine to validate code
[14:42:36] <XXCoder> yeah infinite air material
[14:43:11] <furrywolf> yep
[14:45:43] <furrywolf> does freecad have any cam stuff available? do any of the dxf-to-gcode programs work?
[14:46:02] <furrywolf> I used qcad a while ago and found it generated broken dxf files nothing else could read properly. heh.
[14:46:25] <XXCoder> http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/DXF_to_G-code_Conversion_Tutorial
[14:46:30] <archivist> I think each thing you find will have a subset of works
[14:47:33] <archivist> dxf being a moving target at best
[14:47:41] <XXCoder> yeah
[14:47:57] <XXCoder> I learned that when I wrote convertor that makes dxf file
[14:48:37] <archivist> I wrote a dxf cleaner to join line ends many years ago
[14:50:49] <nema34> hi
[14:51:16] <furrywolf> this task should be simple enough absolutely any cad+cam setup should do it...
[14:51:51] <nema34> the hitshnik of the motor driver should be grounded?
[14:51:55] <micges> Tom_itx: why do you have such strange pinouts on 7i90?
[14:52:17] <nema34> heatsink*
[14:52:43] <furrywolf> nema34: as a general rule, everything should be grounded.
[14:53:13] <furrywolf> unless your motor driver requires a hot heatsink (I've never, ever seen one that does), ground it. it shouldn't need a separate ground wire or anything, just bolt it to something metal...
[14:54:58] <nema34> so basiclly connect all the minus (5V 12V 72V) together with the building graund?
[14:55:09] <furrywolf> http://code.google.com/p/heekscnc/ hrmm, haven't seen that one before.
[14:55:37] <XXCoder> if I recall it wasnt working well
[14:55:40] <furrywolf> the heatsinks should be connected to building ground. whether you tie your supply grounds to building ground is up to you...
[14:55:44] <XXCoder> but might be better for you
[14:58:51] <nema34> I've checked now.
[15:01:02] <nema34> the minus (gnd) of the DC input of the driver and the minus (gnd) of the encoder output, and the heatsink - all of the are connected together (imean the on the drive board level)
[15:01:10] <nema34> I mean*
[15:01:19] <furrywolf> ok
[15:01:38] <PCW> Tom_itx: bad bitfile maybe, possible bad 7i84
[15:02:49] <nema34> it is a good idea to connect it to building ground?
[15:08:51] <nema34> ?
[15:12:17] <JT-Shop> it's a good practice to tie 0v and neutral to a common ground
[15:14:30] <Tom_itx> PCW, here's the bitfile in case you see anything that stands out:
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/bitfiles/PIN_SVST2_4_7I47S_TLP_72.vhd
[15:15:05] <Tom_itx> micges define strange. it's how i could get things to fit where i needed them
[15:15:29] <PCW> is the cookie error is a sserial cookie error or a hm2 cookie error?
[15:16:09] <nema34> but you never connect the neutral and the ground together .
[15:16:15] <micges> sorry, I meant not standard
[15:16:41] <Tom_itx> PCW, lemme check again
[15:17:24] <nema34> I mean from the outlet you have 3 wires, live neutral ground
[15:17:43] <nema34> I need to connect also the neutral to the ground??
[15:18:53] <JT-Shop> go look in your breaker panel not an outlet
[15:20:00] <Tom_shop> hm2/hm2_7i90.0: Smart serial card hm2_7i90.0.7i84.0.0 error = (25) No Enable
[15:20:50] <Tom_itx> and it keeps knocking me off irc
[15:20:57] <Tom_itx> that was the error this time
[15:22:15] <nema34> JT-Shop: in the breaker panel the neutral and the ground have separate busbars,
[15:23:17] <nema34> so it's compleatly different wires.
[15:24:33] <Tom_itx> hmn2/hm2_7i90: Smart serial card hm2_7i90.0.7i84.0.0 error = (1) invalid cookie
[15:24:56] <Tom_itx> also (24) watchdog fault
[15:25:13] <Tom_itx> also (25) No Enable again
[15:25:45] <nema34> it is better to connect the minus to the neutral ? instead of the ground??
[15:26:24] <nema34> JT-Shop: ^ or any other person that know.
[15:26:36] <Tom_itx> it is better to connect them all to one common point
[15:26:48] <jthornton> sounds like you know it all, why ask
[15:27:00] <Tom_itx> ty :)
[15:27:22] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9GNL6fvsUU
[15:27:23] <zeeshan|2> i love canada
[15:27:38] <zeeshan|2> gotta go up to resolute
[15:27:42] <zeeshan|2> https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Resolute,+NU/@72.4458637,-93.5168461,4z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x51dc1af3fbf4579b:0x986b529216b123b6
[15:28:04] <nema34> <Tom_itx> the common pint go to the neutral?? or to the ground?
[15:28:07] <Tom_itx> PCW, caused by pausing the program with the pendant during run
[15:28:18] <Tom_itx> not necessarily the only time it happens
[15:28:23] <Tom_itx> just one instance
[15:28:32] <Tom_itx> nema34, yes.
[15:28:58] <nema34> Tom_itx: what?!
[15:29:02] <malcom2073> nema34: power should go to neutral, ground to ground. While they're both connected at the breaker panel, it's better not to annoy any GFCI's by running power back through ground.
[15:30:19] <Tom_itx> PCW, for now i'm content to wire all the io to the 2nd 7I90 connector and call it good unless you want further testing
[15:30:20] <nema34> but DC minus (the black wire from the power supply) should go to??
[15:30:23] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Have fun with that haha
[15:30:27] <nema34> malcom2073: ^
[15:30:31] <malcom2073> nema34: I answered you already.
[15:31:18] <nema34> I'm confuse.
[15:31:24] <Tom_itx> we noticed
[15:31:32] <malcom2073> Then I *highly* recommend not playing with electricity
[15:31:51] <zeeshan|2> Zzzzzap
[15:31:53] <zeeshan|2> kaboom
[15:31:53] <nema34> this is why I'm asking..
[15:32:02] <zeeshan|2> nema34: you really trust us? :)
[15:32:11] <malcom2073> With your lfie?
[15:32:16] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, you? not so much....
[15:32:25] <nema34> I have no other options..
[15:32:25] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: touch the two wires with your mouth!
[15:32:27] <zeeshan|2> :]
[15:32:34] <Tom_itx> trust me, i have...
[15:32:36] <zeeshan|2> haha
[15:32:47] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: See if they're spicy!
[15:32:57] <zeeshan|2> "tastes like death"
[15:33:30] <nema34> if I will die my BF not going to like it...
[15:33:45] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 i plan to part life with all my parts
[15:33:57] <zeeshan|2> huh :D
[15:34:00] <malcom2073> Should we have assumed otherwise?
[15:34:59] <nema34> so you can help me with the wiring ??
[15:35:12] <Tom_itx> can't see the wires
[15:35:21] <zeeshan|2> connect the blue with the blue
[15:35:49] <nema34> there is no blue.
[15:35:51] <malcom2073> nema34: Positive to positive, negative to neutral, ground to ground. Can't (much) go wrong there eh?
[15:36:10] <Tom_itx> malcom2073, you positive?
[15:36:31] <malcom2073> Tom_itx: I'm well grounded in the subject.
[15:36:44] <zeeshan|2> negative to neutral sounds sketchy
[15:36:57] <malcom2073> Yep
[15:37:23] <malcom2073> Odd to see a 110v power supply with inptus labeled positive and negative
[15:37:26] <malcom2073> inputs*
[15:37:45] <zeeshan|2> yea
[15:37:48] <zeeshan|2> thats why im weirded out :P
[15:38:24] <malcom2073> Oh wait, we're not even talking about a power supply
[15:38:26] <malcom2073> we're talking about a heatsink
[15:38:33] <malcom2073> haha I just read up
[15:38:40] <Tom_itx> ground, neutral, hot, extra hot
[15:39:19] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: since you are grounded in the subject, i would like to test you
[15:39:27] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Negative
[15:39:39] <zeeshan|2> why does the ground go to the neutral and the neutral to the ground and why is the ground green
[15:39:41] <malcom2073> That wouldn't be a good sine
[15:39:50] <Tom_itx> PCW or micges, did you see anything unusual in that bitfile
[15:39:53] * zeeshan|2 is trollin
[15:39:57] * malcom2073 too
[15:39:58] <Tom_itx> no?
[15:40:19] <malcom2073> You're canadian, you use weird colors anyway.
[15:40:27] <zeeshan|2> first of all
[15:40:30] <zeeshan|2> it's colours
[15:40:35] <zeeshan|2> and second of all its the same as usa
[15:40:35] <zeeshan|2> :D
[15:50:37] <nema34> I'm from NY
[15:53:00] <jdh_> that explains it.
[15:53:08] <JT-Shop> lol
[15:54:00] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, gettin rain today?
[15:57:17] <JT-Shop> went all around us
[15:57:26] <JT-Shop> you getting any rain?
[15:57:46] <Tom_itx> we got hammered this morning but short lived
[16:01:39] <JT-Shop> my powder coated parts have fuzzies on them, I've never seen that before
[16:01:46] <JT-Shop> I must not be grounded
[16:02:23] <Tom_itx> huh
[16:02:44] <Tom_itx> that relies on a charge to stick right?
[16:03:05] <Tom_itx> how much current / voltage does that take?
[16:03:42] <JT-Shop> 120v < 15a input 35Kv output
[16:04:32] <Tom_itx> i worked near a paint line that was like that only they used liquid paint
[16:06:56] <Tom_itx> neon sign transformer work for that?
[16:07:07] <JT-Shop> beats me
[16:07:28] <Tom_itx> or does it require dc
[16:07:43] <JT-Shop> I would assume the output is dc
[16:07:51] <Tom_itx> yeah
[16:10:09] <Tom_itx> they make a good jacob's ladder anyway
[16:11:11] <Tom_itx> nema34, don't google jacob's ladder
[16:12:57] <Tom_itx> it works kinda like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXiOQCRiSp0
[16:14:14] <Deejay> gn8
[16:16:25] <zeeshan|2> KABOOM
[16:18:25] <JT-Shop> I can't believe I did 40 pcs like that... I should have quit after 10 pcs and started drinking
[16:18:37] <zeeshan|2> jthornton: whatcha cookin
[16:18:50] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, bad enough to redo?
[16:18:57] <JT-Shop> screwing up some powder coating
[16:19:10] <JT-Shop> how do you redo powder coat?
[16:19:17] <zeeshan|2> blast it off and start over
[16:19:17] <zeeshan|2> lol
[16:19:21] <Tom_itx> you're the powdercoat expert...
[16:19:22] <JT-Shop> bad enough to toss them in the scrap bin
[16:19:32] <Tom_itx> can they be rebaked?
[16:19:45] <Tom_itx> sand with 600 etc and rebake?
[16:19:52] <zeeshan|2> my buddy runs this business
http://trgcoating.com/
[16:20:02] <JT-Shop> it looked like little whiskers when I sprayed the powder on
[16:20:03] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: it wont adhere
[16:20:04] <zeeshan|2> it needs a charge
[16:20:08] <Tom_itx> ok
[16:20:20] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, but it's already stuck
[16:20:27] <Tom_itx> just fuzzy
[16:20:30] <zeeshan|2> oh you havent baked it?
[16:20:36] <Tom_itx> i think he did
[16:20:39] <zeeshan|2> game over
[16:20:53] <JT-Shop> yea
[16:21:15] <zeeshan|2> powdercoated stuff is a bitch to remove
[16:21:20] <zeeshan|2> that's the whole point of it! :P
[16:21:34] <Tom_itx> like polyester
[16:21:57] <zeeshan|2> im asking my buddy how he removes it
[16:22:20] <JT-Shop> zeeshan|2, ask your buddy what causes whiskers to form on the surface when you apply the powder
[16:22:45] <Tom_itx> contaminates?
[16:23:08] <JT-Shop> I don't have a clue, first time I've ever seen that
[16:23:10] <zeeshan|2> hes askin for a sample of what the whiskers look like
[16:23:12] <zeeshan|2> can you take a pic?
[16:23:43] <JT-Shop> I knocked them off with my hand but yea I can take a photo
[16:24:13] <zeeshan|2> whats the base metal
[16:25:42] <JT-Shop> cr steel
[16:27:23] <JT-Shop> just looking and I got really crappy coverage and some don't even look like they have much powder on them
[16:27:32] <zeeshan|2> haha
[16:31:14] <zeeshan|2> his technique of removing baked powder
[16:31:24] <zeeshan|2> "burn it with propane torch to weakn it, then blast"
[16:33:35] <JT-Shop> that might work
[16:33:40] <nema34> what is M98 do?
[16:35:11] <fogl> can i create a hal module with different parameters? I noticed the personality=P,P,P option. This P are just plain numbers. Is it possible to add something similar to name variable like in case of kins=trivkins?
[16:35:24] <JT-Shop> if I can get the photo uploaded...
[16:36:23] <Tom_itx> nema34, nothing in linuxcnc
[16:37:03] <JT-Shop> only if grounded properly
[16:37:34] <JT-Shop> zeeshan|2,
http://gnipsel.com/images/Spyder/bad-powder1.jpg
[16:38:05] <fogl> can i read some variable when i load hal module, for instance i would like to "loadrt motordriver type=servo, type=stepper"
[16:38:21] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop put them back in the mill jig and recut em
[16:38:27] <Tom_itx> that'll clean it off
[16:38:32] <JT-Shop> not possible
[16:38:59] <Tom_itx> except for the extra thickness of the coating
[16:40:16] <JT-Shop> I shouldn't even respond but to be correct M98 will cause a bad M code error
[16:40:34] <Tom_itx> it probably does something on some cnc's
[16:43:14] <JT-Shop> the surface looks dimply
[16:43:47] <Tom_itx> tailstock spindle thrust low on an Okuma lathe
[16:44:07] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, reminds me of fisheye
[16:44:18] <Tom_itx> or orangepeel
[16:44:23] <JT-Shop> lol I would not even waste my time googling it
[16:44:29] <JT-Shop> yea
[16:44:36] <Tom_itx> i had the book within arm's reach
[16:44:44] <JT-Shop> heh
[16:45:43] <Tom_itx> ok after i feed, i'm gonna rewire this back to the 7I90's 2nd header
[16:45:54] <JT-Shop> fogl, that might be a good question to put on one of the mailing lists
[16:46:11] <JT-Shop> glad you know what your doing
[16:46:24] <Tom_itx> those are all mapped as GPIO anyway
[16:46:38] <Tom_itx> i just can't figure the sserial error out
[16:46:54] <Tom_itx> and it's not worth my time unless somebody wanted me to test it more
[16:47:21] <Tom_itx> i'll leave the bitfile in tact so i could if i needed to
[16:47:39] <Tom_itx> probably move the RX back to the original pins
[16:49:29] <Tom_itx> PCW, can you map the warnings from xilinx to a file?
[16:49:39] <Tom_itx> i could post that when i rebuild this
[16:49:46] <Tom_itx> i didn't see anything that stood out though
[16:50:08] <sysdef> my notebook has a jitter of less than 8000. after a few seconds it pops to 397000. is there a way to find out the reason?
[16:50:38] <Tom_itx> battery savings kicking in?
[16:50:44] <Tom_itx> sleep modes
[16:50:47] <JT-Shop> hardware on notebooks
[16:51:05] <sysdef> all ACPI and stuff turned off
[16:51:19] <JT-Shop> notebooks and laptops are only good for simulation
[16:51:42] <furrywolf> sysdef: power management. on my notebook I can keep the time down as long as I do absolutely nothing that in any way invokes power management.
[16:52:05] <furrywolf> mine stays under 11K all day, as long as I don't switch to battery, change the screen brightness, etc. :)
[16:52:56] <sysdef> i started to remove modules to find it
[16:52:56] <nema34> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tdVdND2Y
[16:53:16] <nema34> what is wrong in this code?
[16:54:05] <furrywolf> what does it do wrong?
[16:54:18] <nema34> give me errors.
[16:54:36] <furrywolf> what are the errors?
[16:55:04] <nema34> I've reboot the computer now,
[16:55:15] <nema34> about some command in the code.
[16:55:49] <zeeshan|2> nema34: can you speak english
[16:56:59] <JT-Shop> lol
[16:57:01] <zeeshan|2> JT-Shop: he's saying its something to do with your prep
[16:57:09] <zeeshan|2> hes wondering if youre wiping with acetone
[16:57:17] <zeeshan|2> or tried to reuse sprayed powder
[16:58:12] <JT-Shop> I clean with hcl, then baking soda, then water, then plasma quench, then dry
[16:58:24] <JT-Shop> I didn't wipe them off with pre
[16:58:53] <zeeshan|2> haha you two need to chat
[16:58:57] <zeeshan|2> can you join efnet?
[16:59:34] <JT-Shop> I think it will close freenode if I do
[16:59:42] <zeeshan|2> which client are you using
[17:00:12] <zeeshan|2> http://chat.efnet.org/
[17:00:13] <JT-Shop> xchat
[17:00:16] <zeeshan|2> oh
[17:00:46] <zeeshan|2> in the xchat menu, you can go "new server tab"
[17:01:59] <nema34-cnc> Here is the error >
http://i.imgur.com/fhWDxok.png
[17:03:02] <zeeshan|2> nema34: cmon.. it's telling you the error
[17:03:03] <zeeshan|2> exactly
[17:03:23] <nema34-cnc> what I need to do?
[17:03:53] <nema34-cnc> edit the code? some thing bad in the linux cnc setup? ?
[17:04:10] <zeeshan|2> you found a really bad bug in linuxcnc
[17:04:12] <zeeshan|2> nice
[17:04:53] <nema34-cnc> who can fix the bug?
[17:05:02] <zeeshan|2> you'll have to wait about 6 months
[17:05:04] <zeeshan|2> before bugs can be fixed
[17:05:14] <zeeshan|2> or...
[17:05:19] <nema34-cnc> I need to tell \ call \ send email to somebody?
[17:05:21] <zeeshan|2> you can delete line 2?
[17:06:02] <nema34-cnc> ok, line 2 removed.
[17:06:07] <nema34-cnc> start again..
[17:06:49] <nema34-cnc> now i get other error.
[17:06:58] <zeeshan|2> maybe you found another bug
[17:07:00] <nema34-cnc> about the M98
[17:07:14] <nema34-cnc> line 14
[17:07:24] <nema34-cnc> delete it also?
[17:07:32] <zeeshan|2> delete the whole code
[17:07:36] <zeeshan|2> might fix your problem
[17:08:16] <nema34-cnc> funny,,
[17:08:27] <zeeshan|2> you got one of my jokes
[17:08:28] <zeeshan|2> yay
[17:08:32] <zeeshan|2> mission succeeded
[17:09:01] <nema34-cnc> but really, what I need to do to make it work?
[17:10:00] <nema34-cnc> just 4 holes.. not v8 engine..
[17:11:11] <nema34-cnc> http://i.imgur.com/IJtabJe.png
[17:11:18] <nema34-cnc> this is the error^
[17:12:00] <furrywolf> so what do you think that error means?
[17:12:10] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: i think its a huge bug
[17:12:18] <zeeshan|2> =D
[17:12:37] <nema34-cnc> it have a problem with this line:
[17:12:38] <nema34-cnc> M98 P5003 (D-drill)
[17:13:19] <nema34-cnc> but it is my fault? or something wrong with the setup?
[17:14:16] <furrywolf> it means M98 isn't recognized.
[17:14:56] <furrywolf> different controllers use different flavors of g-code, like the difference between american english and british english. you're trying to run a program meant for some other machine.
[17:15:53] <nema34-cnc> but if M98 call to the sub program P5003, it's mean the the code from line 19 to the end not going to work...
[17:16:12] <furrywolf> some machines use M98 to call a subroutine. some use O(number) call to call a subroutine. you need to use programs written for a linuxcnc machine, or modify the program you have to the g-code version linuxcnc uses.
[17:16:16] <zeeshan|2> if youre just drilling 4 holes
[17:16:20] <zeeshan|2> why dont you just use a regular g code?
[17:16:58] <furrywolf> if this is the output of some CAM program, many can be set up to output g-code of the variant linuxcnc understands.
[17:17:00] <zeeshan|2> use g81
[17:17:04] <nema34-cnc> I want to practice and learn how the cad > cam > gcode > linuxcnc work..
[17:17:07] <witnit> I have an issue i just cant seem to figure out, my servo is smooth and wonderful in one direction but jerks forward in little steps the other direction, any ideas?
[17:17:27] <furrywolf> zeeshan|2: m98 is subroutine call, not a drilling cycle.
[17:17:54] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: this person wants to drill 4 holes
[17:18:01] <zeeshan|2> i know its a subroutine call :P
[17:18:11] <zeeshan|2> im just wondering why not just use a regular g81
[17:18:40] <nema34-cnc> I can basically can drill it by hand.. but i want to learn how to make gcode with solidcam.
[17:18:45] <furrywolf> I didn't pay enough attention to the program to know what exactly it does. I just know it's written for a different controller.
[17:19:21] <witnit> im using a brush dc servo motor and 1b a/b/ setup with encoder direct on motor shaft
[17:19:34] <nema34-cnc> maybe i can hand right the code for the 4 holes.. but on complex parts it is going to be useless.
[17:19:35] <witnit> ab a/b/*
[17:20:15] <nema34-cnc> witnit, try to oil the rails.
[17:21:10] <nema34-cnc> the contruller thet I've setup in the solidcam is (AWEA AV-1000)
[17:21:36] <nema34-cnc> all the other are gmill
[17:23:52] <furrywolf> nema34-cnc: try looking for a "solidcam linuxcnc post-processor" or similar on google.
[17:25:17] <nema34-cnc> I've even replay in the linuxcnc forum about the post-processor.
[17:25:38] <furrywolf> I've never used solidcam, so no idea what's available for it.
[17:26:46] <nema34-cnc> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/31-cad-cam/1307-solidcam-to-emc2-post-processor?start=30
[17:27:12] <nema34-cnc> furrywolf, which cam program you use?
[17:28:24] <furrywolf> wolfycam! it's where I write g-code by hand. :P
[17:28:28] * furrywolf needs a cam program
[17:29:43] <nema34-cnc> furrywolf, it's nice for simple stuff, I'm need the cnc for wax milling that go for casting.
[17:30:47] <nema34-cnc> there is soooo many details.. you cant right is by hand.
[17:33:47] <furrywolf> well, google for how to set solidcam up for linuxcnc.
[17:36:57] <furrywolf> pycam seems pretty shiny... poking at it now.
[17:38:12] <furrywolf> hrmm, defaults to mm. who the heck uses mm? :P
[17:38:51] <furrywolf> which breaks things, because it doesn't scale any of the internal settings when you change them. I don't want to move up 25in between cuts...
[17:39:23] <furrywolf> sigh. so pycam breaks badly if you switch it to inches. I already don't like it. lol
[17:44:11] <furrywolf> "Error: No fonts were found on your system." ... lol?
[17:45:29] <nema34-cnc> furrywolf, I've tried today heekcnc, abut it's not work for me.
[17:45:56] <nema34-cnc> but*
[17:46:50] <nema34-cnc> bobcam work with linux cnc?
[17:47:51] <furrywolf> never heard of it.
[17:50:20] <furrywolf> pycam apparantly can't even generate a usable toolpath for its own fucking demo object.
[17:52:13] <furrywolf> and even though I explicitly turned off parallel processing in the settings, it still spawns three threads, all of which use 100% cpu and a ton of ram, making my box unusably slow for the two minutes it takes to generate each broken toolpath.
[17:52:55] <furrywolf> now I tried the contour following toolpath generator, on the default object (its name), and it's estimating three and a half hours to generate the toolpath.
[17:53:05] * furrywolf uninstalls pycam
[17:53:49] <furrywolf> seriously. if you can't generate a toolpath for your own demo object, don't release it yet.
[18:03:07] <sumpfralle> furrywolf: there is no need to be rude (I was one of pycam's developers). Loads of people used pycam (including myself for many different projects) and we received a lot positive feedback from happy users. Sadly there is no one developing it for around three years now. Maybe your setup or your expectations are just different. Anyway: I am not convinced that your wording is effective at encouraging people to create software for you - but may
[18:03:27] <furrywolf> lol
[18:05:04] <furrywolf> my setup is "I installed it", and my expectations are "it's capable of generating a toolpath".
[18:05:27] <archivist> it does, but very slowly
[18:06:24] <furrywolf> no, it doesn't. the default toolpath generator generated a completely broken toolpath, ignoring all the settings I gave it.
[18:07:13] <furrywolf> then I tried the contour one, and "very slowly" doesn't describe "three and a half hours for a trivial object". during which your system is unusable, because even though you unchecked the parallel processing box, it's using multiple threads and hammering cpu, ram, and swap all at once...
[18:08:07] <furrywolf> no matter what I set the safe height to, every time it went over anything it raised the spindle to who-the-fuck-knows-what-because-it's-so-high-the-display-window-can't-show-it.
[18:08:24] <archivist> three hours to three days, it has a reputation for very slow, a user in #cam a few years ago tried to fix the speed issues
[18:09:19] <furrywolf> if it listened to me when I unchecked the parallel processing box, I wouldn't be as pissed off. but spawning three threads anyway, after you told it not to, with very high memory usage, means you can't use your system for anything else during that time.
[18:09:40] <furrywolf> I could try nicing it, but that wouldn't help with the random surges in memory usage causing it to swap...
[18:10:47] <furrywolf> when you uncheck the box, it says "Multiprocessing disabled" "Enabled 2 parallel local processes" ... how is that disabled? and why does it say 2 and spawn 3? lol
[18:11:10] <furrywolf> probably a trivial bug, but the kind that should have been squashed a long time ago.
[18:11:35] <_methods> yes their massive dev team should have covered that long ago in their free time
[18:11:44] <_methods> to keep you happy
[18:11:54] <_methods> lol
[18:11:59] <JT-Shop> I don't understand how people complain about a gift horse, you either keep it, shoot it or give it away
[18:13:22] <furrywolf> _methods: "makes your system unusable for hours-days" is a pretty important bug.
[18:14:41] <JT-Shop> "Sadly there is no one developing it for around three years now."
[18:15:06] <_methods> yes his reading comprehension skills are...........
[18:15:11] <JT-Shop> lol
[18:15:26] <furrywolf> and yet there's file dates from 2014.
[18:15:56] <JT-Shop> you should ask for your money back
[18:16:19] <witnit> oh, found my issue, a jumper in my amp was telling the amp to run in brushless
[18:16:19] * JT-Shop heads inside
[18:16:29] <witnit> but i have brush
[18:16:32] <witnit> so its good now
[18:17:01] <furrywolf> that'd cause problems, yes. lol
[18:17:06] <witnit> :)
[18:17:31] <witnit> it only has about 27 jumpers to decipher
[18:17:40] <furrywolf> I really, really don't want this to turn into writing my own cam program. I don't have time for more projects.
[18:18:23] <Tom_itx> sure you do
[18:18:28] <Tom_itx> you're here/
[18:18:35] <furrywolf> I started writing one about ten years ago... I got it to where it imported a model and stored it in a data structure that could keep track of removed material accurately, but never got around to actually writing toolpath generation...
[18:19:19] <archivist> get the heekscam source see if you can fork that
[18:19:33] <furrywolf> if you let it use enough ram, it'd carefully model every little ridge left behind between passes and everything... it just didn't actually generate a toolpath. :)
[18:19:56] <archivist> add that to your graphics
[18:21:19] <furrywolf> I had to be tricky to keep memory usage sane (<1GB)... I used the lowest two bits of all my pointers to store data. they're always 0, might as well use them for something. lol
[18:22:20] <archivist> dont use any interpreted language for cam either
[18:22:37] <furrywolf> yes. I agree with that completely. part of why I'm avoiding heekscam, because it mentions python.
[18:22:50] <furrywolf> pycam's speed is typical of my experience with python...
[18:23:27] <archivist> heekscam main stuff is in C++
[18:24:53] <SpeedEvil> Interpreted language is not really the issue.
[18:25:01] <SpeedEvil> It's generally mostly algorithms.
[18:25:15] <SpeedEvil> Algorithms can slow you down 10^6 easily.
[18:25:20] <SpeedEvil> Pure interpretation can't.
[18:25:21] <archivist> furrywolf, and see
http://www.anderswallin.net/cam/
[18:25:48] <SpeedEvil> (assuming you're not using a pessimal language)
[18:25:58] <archivist> SpeedEvil, the algorithms needed are just too slow when interpreted
[18:26:04] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: interpreted languages can easily be a factor of ten or more slower.
[18:26:10] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
[18:26:31] <furrywolf> the difference between three hours and 18 minutes is pretty significant when you want a part now.
[18:28:09] <archivist> furrywolf, see the reference to freesteel, that is the algorithm that dan heeks found one day
[18:29:42] <furrywolf> hrmm, all I have online is some very early test output from the cam program I started writing...
http://fw.bushytails.net/bunnytest01.png shows it loaded the bunny test as a wireframe, as well as some earlier tests of random lines and cubes that I hadn't disabled yet, and that it could render it... the resolution was set way low for a quick test. can't find any images from later output.
[18:29:53] <furrywolf> october 2005... so almost ten years ago. sigh. I wish I had more time to spend doing fun coding.
[18:31:06] <archivist> I think that is the problem of all the open source cam out there, time
[18:33:36] <_methods> yeah and then when you do make something opensource there's always some asshole badmouthing all your work
[18:33:59] <furrywolf> you mean telling me how to improve it so it works better?
[18:35:16] <_methods> yeah i'm sorry that's definitely how you came across
[18:35:21] <_methods> you were just trying to help
[18:35:30] <_methods> i totally understand now
[18:36:06] <archivist> think how you would tell a kid his first school painting was crap
[18:36:28] <furrywolf> adding features before fixing bugs is something that rather annoys me... firefox has been doing it a lot lately... it doesn't matter if you list a thousand features if none of them work!
[18:42:23] <roycroft> donald knuth is the only person in the world who writes bug-free code
[18:42:34] <roycroft> if you fix all your bugs before you add new features you'll never add any new features
[18:42:58] <roycroft> there's a balancing game to play
[18:43:38] <furrywolf> he doesn't write bug-free books, however.... he just pays you if you find a bug. :)
[18:43:52] <roycroft> and he's never paid out much
[18:43:54] <roycroft> not that it matters
[18:44:02] <roycroft> nobody ever cashes his checks
[18:44:44] <roycroft> he may be the smartest person in the world too
[18:44:52] <roycroft> my evidence for this claim is that he refuses to use email
[18:45:14] <furrywolf> lol
[18:51:23] <furrywolf> maybe in a few years I'll have time to work on coding... I'm really hoping to get proper housing and income worked out one of these years...
[18:54:22] <furrywolf> grrrrrr. today is pissing me off. I wanted to build an enclosure for my electronics on the shoptask. instead I've spent the last six hours poking at software, and have only eliminted things, not gotten any actual progress further towards a box.
[18:54:52] <furrywolf> I'm about ready to just code it by hand, but I don't want to do that, because then I'll have the exact same problem the next time I want cad/cam software...
[18:56:28] <SpeedEvil> On the other hand, you could have had a nice polished wooden box in a couple of hours :)
[18:56:50] <furrywolf> I'm making it out of 1/8 and 3/16 aluminum. no wood. :)
[19:01:30] <furrywolf> all the sides are 1/8 except the bottom which is 3/16, for heat spreading purposes. the corners will be 3/4" aluminum angle 1/8" wall...
[19:04:18] <SpeedEvil> Wood is great, but sucks a bit thermally
[19:04:22] <SpeedEvil> (for conductance anyway)
[19:05:47] <furrywolf> it's great at outputting it. keeps houses nice and warm.
[19:17:33] <furrywolf> hrmm. that was odd. virgin seems to be having problems.
[19:18:19] <furrywolf> their website told me it killed my connection because I'd used up my data cap, but then it wouldn't let me send them more money, and it started working again. now it doesn't even show data usage.
[19:21:05] <furrywolf> wtf? and apparantly radio shack no longer sells virgin? their store locator says there's nowhere to get a new hotspot (been meaning to get one) within the 20-mile radius it lets you search.
[19:23:09] <furrywolf> I guess I heard something about them only selling one brand of cell service now.
[20:36:19] <witnit> ohhh cell phones..
[20:37:47] <witnit> i have this servo system all beautiful and working great and they gave me a 40-1 gearbox to bolt to it for them and tune it in.
[20:38:07] <witnit> so sad.. like my work is in vain , the gearbox is taiwan with a mile of backlash in it
[20:39:39] <tjtr33> a mail list msg from machine kit talked about a 2 nic beagleboard making ethercat comms easier.
[20:39:46] <tjtr33> the taiwanese site ( passed thry google translate ) is very interesting
[20:39:47] <tjtr33> https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mapacode.tw%2F
[20:40:08] <tjtr33> i'd seen the 7 axis sink edm before at TimTos, very well built
[20:40:56] <tjtr33> andy pointed out that ethercat is not GPL tho
[20:41:07] <XXCoder> largest I ever seen was 23 axis
[20:41:18] <XXCoder> but then around 8 was ooling related
[20:41:21] <XXCoder> tooling
[20:53:10] <CaptHindsight> 12 axes
http://www.rayshousehelp.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/axes.jpg :)
[20:53:18] <XXCoder> lol
[20:53:36] <XXCoder> so whos the axe murderer you took picture of collection of?
[22:02:40] <zeeshan|2> you guys lied to me
[22:02:46] <zeeshan|2> you can machine ptfe easily with carbide inserts
[22:02:53] <zeeshan|2> !!
[22:03:14] <XXCoder> ohh I lied without saying anything about it
[22:03:16] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIqib3j1otk
[22:03:17] <zeeshan|2> haha
[22:03:20] <XXCoder> my lying skills upgraded!
[22:03:58] <XXCoder> wonder if it can cut just gets dull; fast or something?
[22:04:37] <zeeshan|2> whatcha mean
[22:04:56] <XXCoder> well some materials would wear tool faster
[22:05:03] <XXCoder> for example fiberglass
[22:05:07] <XXCoder> it sure kills tools
[22:06:21] <zeeshan|2> when you drill this
[22:06:23] <zeeshan|2> you can just rape it
[22:06:24] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:06:29] <zeeshan|2> cant feel any resistance
[22:06:58] <XXCoder> cut some more and see if it gets dull any faster than usual
[22:07:18] <zeeshan|2> i made 12 bushings
[22:08:29] <XXCoder> cool
[22:09:02] <XXCoder> lol
http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_1474_20-brilliant-background-jokes-you-missed-in-movies-tv/
[22:09:08] <XXCoder> check out #11
[22:10:09] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:12:26] <XXCoder> wow #1
[22:19:48] <XXCoder> man I really need to work on mjy cnc router
[22:47:35] <XXCoder> oh mame just went open source
[22:47:44] <XXCoder> always thoght it already was. guess not
[22:51:51] <XXCoder> HMM I got a cnc idea
[22:52:17] <XXCoder> put all axes on frame, so it can be placed anywhere on large surface
[22:52:22] <XXCoder> so it can cut stuff
[22:52:45] <XXCoder> if you guys di kickstarter and its big success
[22:52:58] <XXCoder> get me a good cnc mill :)
[22:54:31] <renesis> heh, section cups onto the work?
[22:54:39] <XXCoder> whats wrong with clamps
[22:54:44] <renesis> might as well just make a robot with an endmill face
[22:54:56] <XXCoder> yeah theres cnc spider
[22:55:01] <XXCoder> but expensive and complex
[22:55:04] <renesis> well then you gotta drill into the work
[22:55:29] <renesis> i think burger place pulled phone off the hook man this is frustrating
[22:55:47] <XXCoder> you ever seen the cnc spider?
[22:57:03] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 PTFE is like cutting butter
[22:57:36] <XXCoder> renesis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quN37YskoaM
[22:57:52] <XXCoder> overly complex but cool
[23:01:59] <nema34> hi
[23:03:40] <nema34> I've tried now all the post processor that have on the linux cnc. forum that releted to solidcam.
[23:04:09] <nema34> all of them make code that use M98
[23:04:19] <nema34> http://pastebin.com/fgaNnFKE
[23:05:00] <XXCoder> m98 = function call
[23:05:19] <nema34> I know,
[23:05:31] <XXCoder> your device dont support it or what?
[23:05:40] <nema34> but linux cnc not recognise it.
[23:05:49] <cradek> that's not how linuxcnc does subroutines
[23:05:55] <cradek> you must use a proper postprocessor
[23:05:59] <cradek> it must match your control
[23:06:00] <norias> hah
[23:06:12] <norias> might i suggest
[23:06:18] <norias> using some version of HSMExpress
[23:06:28] <nema34> this is made by posts that publish on the furom.
[23:06:28] <norias> their post processing system is quite nice
[23:07:11] <nema34> http://linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/legacy/files/FANUC.zip
[23:07:27] <nema34> this is the last post that Ive tried.
[23:07:43] <Tom_itx> find one that says linuxcnc or emc
[23:07:50] <cradek> I'm guessing from the filename that's for ... fanuc
[23:07:55] <Tom_itx> :)
[23:08:07] <nema34> it is modified by robo-dan.
[23:08:17] <nema34> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/31-cad-cam/1307-solidcam-to-emc2-post-processor?limitstart=0#19846
[23:08:56] <nema34> robo-dan - "Here's is my modified Solidcam to EMC2 post processor"
[23:09:42] <Tom_itx> fresh boarder with 8 posts
[23:09:43] <Tom_itx> hmm
[23:10:02] <Tom_itx> but then i probably have less than that
[23:11:26] <cradek> why not call up your vendor and tell them you need the linuxcnc post
[23:16:50] <nema34> thay ask me to upgrade my controller
[23:17:01] <Tom_itx> i don't see why
[23:17:29] <Tom_itx> are you using solidworks for your cad?
[23:18:05] <renesis> xxcoder: ha cool
[23:18:12] <XXCoder> it is
[23:18:17] <XXCoder> but complex
[23:18:33] <XXCoder> I was thinking somethinbg like just frame that can be clamped to work peice
[23:18:59] <renesis> yeah would prob find use somewhere
[23:19:05] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:19:11] <XXCoder> could do design on really big part
[23:19:24] <XXCoder> great if BIG part, just need small spot to be worked on
[23:21:33] <renesis> yeah, like in contruction where parts are just too big for machine centers
[23:21:49] <renesis> or mods of existing aerospace stuff
[23:22:42] <XXCoder> it amazes me when I see criaglist entry of old stuff priced almost at new
[23:22:43] <XXCoder> hah
[23:23:51] <XXCoder> worse is ones that is priced ABOVE new
[23:24:15] <XXCoder> "uhh I'll just go to store and get new one thanks"
[23:24:30] <norias> lol
[23:26:21] <XXCoder> $75 for second generation kindle (pretty old) "I just read 10 books on it" I assume 10 10,000 page ones :P
[23:29:01] <norias> why does it matter
[23:29:04] <norias> how many books
[23:29:07] <norias> and how many pages?
[23:29:10] <XXCoder> exactly
[23:29:27] <XXCoder> its pretty old one, $75 i way too much lol
[23:29:56] <norias> people are crazy
[23:30:00] <norias> there's no accounting for it
[23:30:02] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:34:21] <renesis> because someone confused might pay that much
[23:36:59] <XXCoder> possibly
[23:43:57] <XXCoder> http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/574760/menuetos-modern-operating-system-written-entirely-assembly-hits-1-0/
