#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-05-12

[00:03:16] <zeeshan> i am a happy person!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:03:28] <zeeshan> hydraulic drawbar is in action for the vertical drawbar
[00:03:30] <zeeshan> sweeeeeeeeeeet
[00:03:59] <norias> hydraulic drawbar
[00:04:00] <norias> hmm
[00:04:35] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n39CqxrhkVg
[00:04:38] <zeeshan> old video showing how it works
[00:05:27] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGOzQ8vXHwg
[00:05:30] <zeeshan> integrated with linuxcnc
[00:05:39] <norias> so..
[00:05:50] <norias> is the hydraulic holding it up?
[00:05:59] <norias> or does it push it down against a spring?
[00:06:00] <zeeshan> no, belleville pack is
[00:06:05] <norias> good deal
[00:06:07] <zeeshan> hydraulic is just to release
[00:06:11] <norias> right
[00:06:25] <norias> is that... a 30 taper spindle?
[00:06:37] <zeeshan> 2700lb pull force!
[00:06:38] <zeeshan> no 40
[00:06:46] <norias> oh, ok
[00:07:01] <norias> good stuff
[00:32:30] <harold> i hug you all
[00:36:29] <norias> thank you
[02:13:03] <MattyMatt> yay, I've spotted where my mill base comes from. It started life as a Friedrich Deckel engraving machine
[02:13:27] <MattyMatt> https://youtu.be/qotwibvMC1E?t=21m55s
[02:13:51] <Deejay> moin
[02:14:08] <MattyMatt> good morning
[02:14:18] <Deejay> :)
[02:17:24] <MattyMatt> engraving explains the deep throat. I'm tempted to put struts across it when milling but I'd be worried about doing more harm than good tapping holes in the thinnish casting
[03:44:30] <Deejay> MattyMatt, nice video :)
[04:18:53] <MattyMatt> and I've located the official milling head http://www.ebay.de/itm/Schleifkopf-Friedrich-Deckel-Zubehor-2025-1328-FP1-FP2-FP3-Frase-Frasmaschine-/181693056362
[04:19:11] <MattyMatt> I think I'll be making one
[04:27:29] <MattyMatt> or I'll use a mag drill like the last bloke
[05:34:04] <syyl> nope MattyMatt
[05:34:18] <syyl> thats the jig grinding head for a deckel toolroom mill
[05:34:33] <syyl> btw, thats me in the video ;)
[06:53:22] <jthornton> I like the tiny brad holder
[07:54:06] <msantana> Hello everybody. I'm beginning to learn about the EMC2 and would ask a question. Is it true it works only with Linux kernel 2.6? Sorry, but I didn't find any FAQ explaining about it. By chance, would it be possible to get it working with a 3.16 linux kernel version?
[08:03:16] <msantana> I know there is a RTAI version that works with some Linux 3.x kernel versions but I didn't understand why there isn't any documentation about EMC2 with a kernel 3.x
[08:04:23] <msantana> I appreciate any help
[08:08:19] <JT-Shop> nice this morning 53F and clear skys
[08:09:34] <JT-Shop> msantana, http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC
[08:09:59] <JT-Shop> and http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNCKnowledgeBase
[08:11:35] <MarkusBec> i think the deebian wheezy iso used a 3.x kernel
[08:11:40] <MarkusBec> with rtai
[08:16:59] <JT-Shop> debian wheezy uses 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae
[08:17:21] <msantana> JT-Shop: I knew these pages. However, they only describe the installation with kernel 2.6.x
[08:17:52] <JT-Shop> john@debian:~$ uname -a
[08:17:52] <JT-Shop> Linux debian 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.4.55-4linuxcnc i686 GNU/Linux
[08:17:53] <msantana> JT-Shop: is there no problem to install with 3.x?
[08:18:21] <msantana> JT-Shop: ok, thanks
[08:18:21] <JT-Shop> msantana, are you wanting to do something special with a kernel?
[08:18:35] <msantana> no I don't
[08:18:48] <JT-Shop> just use the debian live cd
[08:19:51] <msantana> I just want to install on my pre-installed debian
[08:20:32] <msantana> wanted :]
[08:21:16] <JT-Shop> debian wheezy?
[08:22:04] <JT-Shop> I don't see an install script for wheezy
[08:22:58] <msantana> no, Jessie
[08:23:41] <JT-Shop> I don't see any info on jessie
[08:26:25] <msantana> JT-Shop: Is the any script for installation on any version of Debian?
[08:26:38] <msantana> there
[08:26:48] <MarkusBec> msantana: possibly it's not a good idea
[08:26:50] <JT-Shop> don't see any
[08:27:02] <JT-Shop> are you going to control a machine with this?
[08:27:16] <MarkusBec> exept you are a debian kernel dev :)
[08:28:11] <MarkusBec> msantana: you have to compile all by hand
[08:28:24] <msantana> MarkusBec: I understand
[08:28:52] <MarkusBec> and no other linuxcnc user oder dev had tested it on jessie
[08:30:31] <msantana> So, which is the recommended kernel version? Just install the version from Live CD and don't upgrade anything?
[08:30:44] <MarkusBec> yes
[08:30:59] <JT-Shop> that is the easy way
[08:31:11] <msantana> ok, thank you so much
[08:31:19] <JT-Shop> msantana, http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/29-forum-announcements/28751-linuxcnc-27pre
[08:31:31] <MarkusBec> msantana: i used the live cd
[08:31:45] <JT-Shop> most people use the live cd
[08:31:53] <MarkusBec> an build my own preempt kernel to use ethernet based mesa card
[08:32:02] <MarkusBec> and
[08:34:16] <Tom_itx> we do?
[08:34:18] <msantana> and sorry for mentioning EMC2 when I should say LinuxCNC :)
[08:35:11] <MarkusBec> msantana: preempt is a good choice with mesa card but possibly to slow for SW stepgen
[08:35:50] <JT-Shop> well not you
[08:35:52] <harold> norias: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr6bP0mBjK4 this thing is pretty good if it can aluminum like this, and cost only $2500, no?
[08:36:32] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, any glitches with your plasma running 2.7 yet?
[08:37:10] <MarkusBec> harold: you can do aluminum with a 6040 priced at 1400$
[08:37:39] <norias> harold, did you see the numbers?
[08:37:54] <norias> .02" cut depth (aka axial DOC)
[08:37:57] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/for/4954751402.html there is no safe or legal use of that cord. lol
[08:38:16] <MarkusBec> did they used a stepper motor to drive the spindle?
[08:38:25] <JT-Shop> nope, it cuts much smoother with less dross with 2.7 and the new planner
[08:39:40] <msantana> so the other recommendation would be the computer with linuxcnc doesn't be connected to internet, right?
[08:39:52] <MarkusBec> no
[08:40:02] <JT-Shop> no
[08:40:05] <MarkusBec> i used internet and smb shares
[08:40:13] <Tom_itx> nice, i hope to try out some taps later today
[08:40:19] <MarkusBec> to push the gcodes to the mill
[08:41:29] <JT-Shop> all of my machines are on the LAN which is connected to the Internet except for the 386 one
[08:42:24] <msantana> but if I can't to upgrade anything it would not be imprudent of me, especially with regard to security updates?
[08:42:50] <msantana> s/with regard/regarding
[08:43:00] <JT-Shop> you can upgrade everything but the OS
[08:43:14] <msantana> ah, ok
[08:43:56] <msantana> just don't touch the kernel, right?
[08:44:09] <MarkusBec> yes
[08:44:58] <JT-Shop> you can set the synaptic package manager to never bother you with OS upgrades
[08:45:20] <msantana> ok, thanks for your patience :-)
[08:46:10] <MarkusBec> dont use PC dated befor 2008 ;)
[08:46:17] <JT-Shop> your welcome
[08:46:42] <msantana> MarkusBec: It's a good tip
[08:47:19] <MarkusBec> http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.de.asp?Model=Q1900-ITX
[08:47:53] * JT-Shop goes in search for a monkey pickle
[08:48:04] <MarkusBec> i think thats one of the best and cheapest MB at the moment
[08:48:23] <MarkusBec> ah the version with parallport
[08:49:02] <MarkusBec> ASRock Q1900M Pro3
[08:49:24] <harold> norias yeah I guess that's a good point. I need to be able to machine parts like this: http://i.imgur.com/QQKfYp5.png (40x40x10mm), with 5 holes, as you can see, all the way through. i guess the carbide would not be able to do that
[08:57:48] <JT-Shop> looks like a simple part to me
[09:11:05] <JT-Shop> not a cloud in the sky and I loose Internet wth
[09:32:57] <harold> JT-Shop: yeah it is a pretty simple part! I care a lot about the resolution accuracy though, cannot tolerate more than 40micron inaccuracy of.. hole diam, distance between origins of the holes, etc.
[09:33:13] <harold> what's the cheapest, simplest-to-use machine you'd suggest for jobs of this nature?
[09:34:10] <JT-Shop> haas
[09:35:21] <harold> how much area does haas require? I fear these big machines may be too big. I would love to have them if logistics work out though. can a haas be put on 20th floor of a building, for example?
[09:35:53] <harold> (these considerations make me instead look to things like carbide3d... but I guess i'm starting to see some shortcomings with things like carbide3d)
[09:36:29] <JT-Shop> yea, depends on the building
[09:38:46] <JT-Shop> so 0.001" positional accuracy is not hard with a real mill
[09:39:03] <harold> carbide3d is not a real mill eh :)
[09:39:09] <JT-Shop> cheap 8020 hobby kits I don't think you will find one
[09:42:05] <JT-Shop> what kind of volume are you making?
[09:42:31] <harold> it seams the cheapest haas is like 35k, and i imagine with consumables and all it'll cost me 40k by the end of the year
[09:42:32] <archivist_herron> so many ways for a mill to be inaccurate
[09:42:58] <archivist_herron> can be cheaper to buy in
[09:43:06] <harold> I want to ideally remain under 20k i think
[09:43:09] <harold> 'buy in'?
[09:43:20] <harold> what does that mean
[09:43:26] <archivist_herron> go to a local machine shop get them to make
[09:43:28] <JT-Shop> 20k parts or 20k $
[09:44:16] <Rab> harold, what's the largest part you anticipate wanting to make?
[09:44:24] <harold> archivist_herron: don't want to buy in because we generally need parts in hours. 'buying in' would probably make it difficult to have parts in a few hours
[09:45:01] <archivist_herron> 20th floor could mean restrictions on weight and vibration
[09:45:10] <harold> Rab: less than 12x12x12 inch, can go +-5inch depending upon price and other considerations
[09:45:45] <archivist_herron> it is possible to self build for that price
[09:46:13] <harold> i would prefer not to self build, I probably don't have the time and the expertise i think
[09:47:03] <archivist_herron> then the haas office mill https://www.haascnc.com/vmc_mt.asp?webID=OFFICE_MILL_VMC#gsc.tab=0
[09:47:43] <JT-Shop> carbide3d seems to be vapor ware at the moment... but you can pre-order one
[09:47:59] <harold> by the way it seems you guys here have some favorites and anti-favorites. you guys like haas, and hate tarmach, is that correct? what's the reason for this? general experience?
[09:48:01] <JT-Shop> hmm stepper driven spindle, acme screws
[09:48:36] <harold> JT-Shop: they seem to have delivered like 500 units, at this time all who put in to the kickstarter have gotten one. people who have gotten it and have written generally positively about it
[09:48:38] <JT-Shop> I just pulled haas out of the air because they make real machines
[09:48:45] <archivist_herron> we dont hate tormach, they have just used a lot of linuxcnc
[09:49:00] <Rab> JT-Shop, that's a DC spindle in NEMA form factor.
[09:49:23] <harold> use linuxcnc... in a bad way? like, being a bad oss player? using, but not contributing back to linuxcnc? that kind athing?
[09:50:12] <archivist_herron> they have contributed back in a good way
[09:50:46] <harold> so... you guys don't hate tormach. maybe I just misread some comments then
[09:50:55] <archivist_herron> tormach just developed a new lathe and needed a working control
[09:51:11] <harold> does one need to be a machinist to operate a hass? carbide3d's big pitch seems to be "as eaasy as using a 3dprinter!"
[09:51:32] <archivist_herron> it is good to have some experience
[09:52:06] <JT-Shop> looks like a timing belt to move the X axis but they don't show that well
[09:54:42] <JT-Shop> I'm not knocking the carbide3d as it seems to be a well built hobby mill... the keyword is hobby
[09:57:01] <archivist_herron> sneaky to use carbide in its name to imply solid
[09:57:11] <JT-Shop> lol
[09:57:17] <harold> so i guess the reason i'm compelled to look to carbide3d is because it's cheap, and i keep getting the feel that the large majority of stuff i need is not that complicated. it's rare that i need a part that's like above 8x8x8in. generally it's 2x2x5in
[09:59:11] <JT-Shop> if the X and Y axis use timing belts forget about 0.001" positional accuracy
[09:59:33] <JT-Shop> harold, where are you located in the world?
[09:59:50] <archivist_herron> do not confuse resolution with accuracy
[10:00:10] <JT-Shop> yep
[10:01:44] <archivist_herron> a timing belt could be many thou out of position but be stepping in tenths of a thou, marketing hides this as much as it can
[10:03:12] <JT-Shop> then you add in belt stretch... and I know from experience as I have a belt driven plasma cutter that I made
[10:06:03] <archivist_herron> a machine can expand thermally too
[10:06:31] <archivist_herron> as to the parts, that bites you
[10:06:37] <archivist_herron> to/do
[10:07:22] <archivist_herron> measure something hot, nice fit, done....it cools sloppy fit
[10:09:34] <harold> JT-Shop: boston ma
[10:09:53] <JT-Shop> yep, accurate parts are only accurate at a standard temperature
[10:11:52] <archivist_herron> JT-Shop, ermmmm I thing I killed a Briggs engine today
[10:12:20] <archivist_herron> mower hit something hard, oil leaked out
[10:12:33] <pcw_home> not a good sign...
[10:14:52] <JT-Shop> not a good sign, may have bent the crank
[10:15:50] <JT-Shop> for sure sheared the flywheel key
[10:16:44] <archivist_herron> is it a fuse type item?
[10:16:51] <archivist_herron> or terminal :)
[10:17:24] <archivist_herron> tomorrows job, take it to bits
[10:17:52] <JT-Shop> yea, the key is aluminum so it shears easy
[10:18:45] <archivist_herron> home time...
[10:30:12] <MattyMatt> harold, if it's any help, I find operating a mill easier than a 3d printer :)
[10:30:42] <MattyMatt> try hand writing gcode for a printer......
[10:32:38] <MattyMatt> 3d printing isn't as trivial as the hype makes out. you need to learn a lot about plastic to use one, just like you need to know about metal to get good on a machine
[10:33:35] <harold> we have an ultimaker 2, we can make pretty good parts
[10:33:46] <harold> but we're quickling realizing the limitations
[10:34:00] <FinboySlick> Any of you Canadians know a good place to order 12X24X0.25 HDPE online? I'm about to order from OnlineMetals but I wouldn't mind skipping customs.
[10:34:22] <FinboySlick> It doesn't have to be hdpe mind you, anything relatively easy to machine would work.
[10:34:31] <FinboySlick> Has to be black though.
[10:34:50] <harold> we've printed with pla for a long time, but finally decided to use abs. the main reasing being that it can withstand higher temps. -- this means, parts won't "melt" when we're tapping it or making holes
[10:35:03] <MattyMatt> FinboySlick, try a kitchen supplier, colour coded chopping boards are a good cheap slab of HDPE in 6 colours
[10:35:32] <MattyMatt> half the price compared to a real plastic stockist, here in UK
[10:36:05] <FinboySlick> Yeah. I'd like flat finish on one side though, I'd have to get thicker and face on a cutting board.
[10:36:12] <harold> 3d printing in my opinion is much easier, i feel like i learned all i needed to know within 2-3 months. i think learning cnc milling will take a lot longer (depending partly on the machine of course)
[10:38:42] * JT-Shop wonders how one has an opinion on two things and have only done one...
[10:38:56] <MattyMatt> http://www.cuttingboardcompany.com/custom-cutting-boards/
[10:39:34] <MattyMatt> I generally find the stuff I haven't done yet to be easier in my mind :)
[10:40:45] <JT-Shop> yea, I agree with that for sure
[10:40:55] <JT-Shop> looks easy till you try it for real
[10:41:34] <JT-Shop> you get the famous "I thought you only had to..."
[10:42:19] <JT-Shop> harold, just like learning about plastics with 3d you need to learn about different materials and speeds and feeds for cutting tools
[10:42:50] <JT-Shop> if you have CAD/CAM software it makes programming easier
[10:43:06] <JT-Shop> however there are some nice G code generators on the wiki
[10:43:45] <archivist> a lot of cad cam cannot deal with some types of work
[10:43:51] <MattyMatt> for milling. I end up writing it in neat linuxcnc gcode. loops and procedures and variables is enough
[10:44:25] <MattyMatt> pocketing subroutines etc
[10:45:02] <MattyMatt> my CAM method (blender script) doesn't do arcs yet
[10:45:10] <archivist> hand coding becomes second nature in a short time
[10:45:44] <archivist> arcs, just use a rotary :)
[10:47:57] <MattyMatt> my machine does nice circles on the X/Y, so I made the large pulley for my belt rotary like that with no runout, with a little bit of gcode to drill a hole at each tooth
[10:49:24] <MattyMatt> now I've got the belt rotary, I should get on an mill the worm drive before the belt breaks
[10:51:46] <MattyMatt> http://i.imgur.com/OeOmu.jpg it looks like I've started here, the blank for the worm gear will be one of those faceplates
[10:53:28] <jthornton> clever use of stuff
[10:55:49] <MattyMatt> if I'd used longer bolts it'd be cleverer
[10:56:31] <MattyMatt> they were supposed to overlap so the whole head had the grain held in compression
[10:56:41] <MattyMatt> but I didn't have any long enough
[11:04:15] <MattyMatt> http://i.imgur.com/tlaAT.jpg my printer :) wood is cheap
[11:04:49] <MattyMatt> it does grow on trees, you know
[11:05:36] <Rab> What kind of wood is that? Looks like a coarse grain.
[11:06:24] <MattyMatt> mostly oak and oak faced ply, in that pic
[11:06:32] <MattyMatt> I used whatever scraps I had
[11:07:11] <MattyMatt> that "mahogany" stain is hiding some sins
[11:08:08] <MattyMatt> I've got enough real mahogany to make another one, but the original mendel is obsolete now. too many washers and bearings
[11:08:29] <archivist> you need black ash stain for better sin hiding
[11:09:44] <MattyMatt> or black teak-effect sticky-back-plastic, over MDF
[11:10:10] * MattyMatt eyes glances to loudspeakers
[11:12:11] <MattyMatt> oh dammit, on the subject of plywood, I've left it too late to go to beesly and fildes
[11:14:28] <MattyMatt> I'll phone them up tomorrow. I don't have to look at plywood really. I'll only be tempted to upgrade from chinese Medium Density Hardwood to birch.
[11:14:58] <archivist> or metal
[11:16:31] <MattyMatt> the MDH stuff looks alright in the photos, but it doesn't look like any wood I know http://www.beesleyandfildes.co.uk/hardwood-plywood/
[11:16:37] <MattyMatt> MLH sorry
[11:16:44] * zeeshan is enjoying power tool changes!!!!!!!!
[11:17:12] <MattyMatt> "mixed light hardwood"
[11:17:52] <MattyMatt> I need one more round of wooden tool upgrades before I can go all-metal
[11:18:46] <MattyMatt> I need my "real mill" (engraving machine base as I now know) working for a start
[11:25:36] <MattyMatt> I keep thinking I've exceeded the bounds of wood machines, and then I see another matt wandel video
[11:26:43] <MattyMatt> his reasoning is that as wood is 9 times less stiff than cast iron, he just needs to make his pieces 3x3 bigger and all is good
[11:28:18] <MattyMatt> but yeah, I'd like to have more steel and less wood
[11:30:31] <MattyMatt> it's summer. I can weld and grind outdoors
[11:33:25] <MattyMatt> zeeshan, autochanger next? :)
[11:33:39] <zeeshan> not for the mill :)
[11:33:43] <zeeshan> its pretty easy to change tool by hand
[11:33:49] <zeeshan> but for the lathe might be a diff story
[11:34:02] * MattyMatt had a sudden vision of autchanger made of plywood
[11:35:34] <MattyMatt> shit, I also saw a whole milling spindle made of stacked plywood. I need to get some fresh air I think
[11:36:24] <MattyMatt> stack held by long bolts through the 4 hole flange bearings, like on my lathe
[11:36:55] <malcom2073> My favorite is the engine block crank spindle.
[11:37:15] <MattyMatt> http://i.imgur.com/bq9ok.jpg
[11:37:44] <MattyMatt> engine blocks don't sit around in the breeze so much in Uk city
[11:38:14] <MattyMatt> scrap metal in general is swept up quite efficiently
[11:38:28] <malcom2073> Ah yeah not thete
[11:38:31] <MattyMatt> anything not securely nailed down enough
[11:38:32] <malcom2073> There*
[11:40:13] <MattyMatt> broken furniture, that's my basic feedstock
[11:40:41] <MattyMatt> and it's only thanks to the Clean Air Act I get that for free :)
[11:41:32] <MattyMatt> I should turn the furniture into charcoal to make iron
[11:41:43] <JT-Shop> hmm hsmexpress seems to work ok
[11:56:01] <nema34> linuxcnc support digitizing with touch probe??
[11:56:41] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G38-probe
[11:58:24] <nema34> how it is work?
[11:59:48] <nema34> I need to write gcode for that?
[12:00:24] <nema34> how I will get the cloud point file?
[12:00:55] <nema34> points*
[12:01:25] <cradek> all these questions are answered in that section in the documentation
[12:03:34] <nema34> you can help me to unterstend it.
[12:06:08] <JT-Shop> nema34, also look at the example file gridprobe.exe
[12:06:32] <cradek> .ngc
[12:07:10] * JT-Shop smacks forehead
[12:07:52] <nema34> I'm lost.
[12:08:09] <JT-Shop> where did you start from?
[12:08:37] <nema34> let's strat from the easy stuff, how I connect the motors to the computer/
[12:09:48] <nema34> i have boart that connect to the parallel port,
[12:09:53] <JT-Shop> nema34, http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/machining_center.html
[12:10:40] <JT-Shop> better start here http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/user_intro.html
[12:11:02] <JT-Shop> bbl
[12:12:57] <nema34> I need the basic stuff first, I
[12:12:58] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop what's with this nice weather?
[12:13:31] <nema34> I'm use to next next finish, and here it's much more complicated.
[12:14:25] <nema34> because the nice weather i can work on the cnc machine.
[12:18:32] <Tom_itx> those are my intentions
[12:36:34] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: alive? :D
[12:44:56] <Tom_itx> why not?
[13:05:15] <JT-Shop> dunno what caused it Tom_itx
[13:14:00] <zeeshan> need some help quotin a job
[13:14:17] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop did you share a folder on your linuxcnc pc so you can copy files to it?
[13:14:18] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/dX9Ckn8.jpg
[13:14:21] <zeeshan> i gotta make 10 of these
[13:14:41] <JT-Shop> yea
[13:14:46] <Tom_itx> how/
[13:14:46] <Tom_itx> ?
[13:14:52] <zeeshan> basically drill, face, part off, then move to mill and contour that fish eye
[13:14:58] <zeeshan> how much would you charge? :P
[13:15:01] <JT-Shop> in windoze I added a right click link to each machine too
[13:15:10] <Tom_itx> yeah that's my intent
[13:15:13] <JT-Shop> what OS?
[13:15:25] <Tom_itx> so i can copy files from my cad cam right out to the shop
[13:15:31] <Tom_itx> win7 to ubuntu
[13:16:05] <JT-Shop> in ubuntu when you right click on a folder does it show sharing?
[13:17:03] <Tom_itx> lemme look
[13:17:11] <JT-Shop> ok
[13:17:16] <Tom_itx> zeeshan what diameter cup is that?
[13:17:21] <zeeshan> 3/4" OD
[13:17:23] <Tom_itx> use a holesaw
[13:17:34] <zeeshan> i can mill it quicker
[13:17:56] * Tom_itx ponders how to do it so zeeshan must change as many tools as possible
[13:17:59] <zeeshan> just wondering what i can quote
[13:18:12] <zeeshan> his buddy gave me another job which is pure welding
[13:18:19] <zeeshan> i already quoted for that, but ihavent quoted for something t his small
[13:18:22] <cpresser> Tom_itx: set up a samba share on the cnc machine. then mount that one over on your win7 machine
[13:18:24] <zeeshan> i dont wanna overquote it
[13:18:39] <Tom_itx> do you wanna eat?
[13:19:45] <zeeshan> lol
[13:19:45] <Tom_itx> setup: .5 - .75hr, mill time: 20-30 min ea i'd guess
[13:20:18] <zeeshan> setup on the lathe would be like 45 min (g-code for facing, drilling, parting)
[13:20:30] <Tom_itx> tooling: softjaws to hold it, drill, reamer, ballnose em
[13:20:47] <zeeshan> well i was gonna putt he mill in horizontal mode
[13:20:47] <Tom_itx> bottom side finished prior
[13:20:55] <zeeshan> and just do a circular arc
[13:21:00] <JT-Shop> setup on a lathe would be 30 seconds for facing, drilling, parting
[13:21:04] <Tom_itx> i bet 1.5hr by the time you're all done ea
[13:21:26] <JT-Shop> maybe less...
[13:21:36] <Tom_itx> i like to eat :D
[13:21:40] <zeeshan> $120? :-)
[13:21:51] <Tom_itx> a buck to a buck fifty
[13:22:11] <Tom_itx> machinists get paid more than grunts
[13:22:14] <JT-Shop> what material is it?
[13:22:18] <zeeshan> CR ST
[13:22:20] <zeeshan> steel
[13:22:21] <Tom_itx> probably hard steel
[13:22:25] <Tom_itx> since it's a punch
[13:22:33] <zeeshan> i think its some chassis fittings
[13:22:39] <zeeshan> bungs to go from a curved spaced
[13:22:41] <zeeshan> to a flat space
[13:22:45] <JT-Shop> for a hot rod?
[13:22:49] <zeeshan> i thinkso
[13:22:55] <Tom_itx> oh hell the price just doubled
[13:22:58] <zeeshan> LOL
[13:23:06] <JT-Shop> the end use sometimes affects pricing
[13:23:16] <zeeshan> im looking at the drtawing
[13:23:19] <zeeshan> it looks like its something for a roll cage
[13:23:22] <zeeshan> for mounting something
[13:23:24] <Tom_itx> yep, around here aircraft get good pay where farm implements don't
[13:23:29] <Tom_itx> we mfg both around here
[13:23:53] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/FJNZCBh.jpg
[13:24:05] <zeeshan> i have to do like 20 welds on this stuff and machine some curved pieces from the flatbar
[13:24:16] <zeeshan> i quoted like 340 for this job and he was ok with it
[13:24:18] <zeeshan> its quite a bit of work
[13:24:27] <JT-Shop> aluminum?
[13:24:30] <zeeshan> yes
[13:24:42] <JT-Shop> how did you weld it?
[13:24:47] <zeeshan> tig
[13:24:47] <JT-Shop> spool gun or tig
[13:24:48] <Tom_itx> cpresser, thanks, that's what i'm doing
[13:25:01] <zeeshan> its about 3 hours of welding
[13:25:02] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i right clicked and it said i need samba
[13:25:10] <JT-Shop> add samba
[13:25:12] <zeeshan> and like 2 hours of machining
[13:25:23] <Tom_itx> i am
[13:26:10] <Tom_itx> i assume it will share all the folders below it too
[13:26:44] <JT-Shop> yea
[13:27:02] <cpresser> Tom_itx: yes. but depending on the permissions, they might not be readable/writeable
[13:27:30] <cpresser> samba has its own users, but maps them to regular unix users
[13:27:46] <cpresser> see "smbadduser". most likely the GUI will handle that for you anyway
[13:28:48] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, you just need to check off all three options in the share popup
[13:29:01] <JT-Shop> guest means everyone
[13:29:38] <Tom_itx> i can see it in win7 but it want's a password
[13:29:51] <Tom_itx> and the domanin is messin that up
[13:30:22] <Tom_itx> added guest access
[13:30:39] <Tom_itx> ok that's better
[13:30:42] <Tom_itx> thanks
[13:31:08] <Tom_itx> crap, it didn't share the subfolders
[13:34:03] <Tom_itx> ok i can deal with that
[13:35:07] <Tom_itx> zeeshan are you gonna ballnose that cup?
[13:35:23] <zeeshan> no
[13:35:25] <zeeshan> flat end mill
[13:35:26] <JT-Shop> in windoze type shell:sendto and pick it, then drag and drop the directories you want to show up
[13:35:43] <zeeshan> its just a contour
[13:35:43] <Tom_itx> yeah i got it working now
[13:36:02] <JT-Shop> you got right click send to linked?
[13:36:16] <Tom_itx> for tubing we used to use a hole saw in the drillpress with a jig to hold the tube for butt welds
[13:36:45] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop it just comes up as a regular folder
[13:36:53] <Tom_itx> on the network
[13:37:57] * Tom_itx wonders if he remembered to post the cad file
[13:38:24] <JT-Shop> in the win file manager if you right click on a file you get some options, one is send to
[13:38:46] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna try to map it right to my cad program
[13:38:49] <JT-Shop> you can add a shortcut to your machines so it's a one click operation to send the file
[13:38:53] <Tom_itx> so i can post to the machine
[13:39:01] <JT-Shop> that too
[13:40:20] <furrywolf> going to head back to the scrapyard today... see if I can find enough metal to build my enclosure.
[13:41:19] <Tom_itx> crap it copied them readonly though
[13:43:25] <furrywolf> any tips on construction? I'm still trying to decide if I want to put the angle on the inside, where it's hidden and I can be sloppy, or put it on the outside, where it'll probably look nicer, but I'll need to do compound miters all around...
[13:44:02] <zeeshan> do it on the inside
[13:44:14] <zeeshan> i hate raised edges on the outside
[13:44:45] <furrywolf> that also avoids having to compound miter all the corners. :)
[13:45:39] <JT-Shop> welding it or bolting it?
[13:45:58] <zeeshan> JT-Shop is a weldment master
[13:46:00] <zeeshan> :D
[13:46:11] <zeeshan> your mig welds are secksi
[13:46:13] <JT-Shop> lol
[13:46:28] <furrywolf> bolting and/or pop rivetting. I have no way to weld aluminum.
[13:46:38] <zeeshan> im tig master , but just _OK_ at mig welding
[13:46:45] <zeeshan> wish i could watch a pro like you and pick it up
[13:46:47] <zeeshan> thats how i learned tig
[13:46:55] <zeeshan> i watched a really good pro and picked it up in a week
[13:47:08] <JT-Shop> if it don't sound like bacon cooking your feed is wrong
[13:47:16] <zeeshan> well it sounds like popcorn
[13:47:21] <JT-Shop> I like tig too but it's too slow for most stuff
[13:47:27] <furrywolf> I'm a so-so welder... not an expert, but things don't tend to break. I think the only picture I have of my welding was the well bit I did several years ago. http://fw.bushytails.net/wellbit01.jpg
[13:47:40] <zeeshan> thats a nice fluxcore woeld
[13:47:41] <zeeshan> actually
[13:47:57] <furrywolf> that's mig, sadly. :P
[13:48:08] <zeeshan> okay not pretty then lol :P
[13:48:09] <zeeshan> sorry!
[13:48:34] <JT-Shop> looks stuck to me
[13:49:00] <furrywolf> it, did however, go through 30-something feet of clay and gravel without breaking. enough to wear the steel down substantially.
[13:49:34] <Jymmm> I like this welding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV5oLPLUzrM
[13:50:08] <_methods> is that the fresh prince
[13:50:11] <renesis> he uses stick electrodes?
[13:50:26] <renesis> _methods: wut
[13:50:32] <_methods> hahah
[13:50:45] <Jymmm> _methods: lol, yes, yes it is!
[13:50:47] <renesis> should i turn the volume up? nothings exploding or even sparking still
[13:51:11] <_methods> the fresh prince of battery aire
[13:51:27] <zeeshan> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/w4RrDeUKcH4/0.jpg
[13:51:29] <Jymmm> _methods: that was bad, dont quit your day job
[13:51:32] <zeeshan> i want my mig welds to look like that
[13:51:41] <zeeshan> how to do
[13:51:47] <renesis> oh he uses vice grips
[13:51:50] <renesis> smrt
[13:52:09] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4RrDeUKcH4
[13:52:09] <JT-Shop> keep the tip close and watch the puddle not the arc
[13:52:11] <zeeshan> associated video
[13:52:27] <zeeshan> when i try circles like that
[13:52:31] <Tom_itx> what a hassle
[13:52:33] <zeeshan> i get a disgusting weld
[13:52:52] <Tom_itx> you copy the file then you gotta change permisions on the win machine before you can edit it on the linux box
[13:52:59] <JT-Shop> usually I just zig zag
[13:53:29] <JT-Shop> are you using the send to or copy and paste?
[13:53:36] <Tom_itx> copy/paste
[13:53:41] <Tom_itx> i'll try send
[13:53:49] <JT-Shop> I use send to and it has the right permissions
[13:54:13] <Tom_itx> ok how do i create the send target?
[13:54:23] <renesis> tom_itx: you cant chmod 660 or something?
[13:54:24] <JT-Shop> hold the alt key when you drag the nc_files folder to send to so it is a short cut
[13:54:53] <JT-Shop> in the run box type in
[13:54:55] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop> in windoze type shell:sendto and pick it, then drag and drop the directories you want to show up
[13:55:24] <JT-Shop> renesis, yea but you don't want to have to do that every time
[13:55:35] <Jymmm> renesis: not too shabby for a couple of batteries =)
[13:56:15] <renesis> jymmm: yeah, looks like it got too hot even
[13:56:18] <zeeshan> when you guys cut 6061 with a 3/8 flat end mill
[13:56:19] <zeeshan> hss
[13:56:29] <zeeshan> what kind of chip load do you run usually?
[13:56:30] <_methods> the guest user has to have mask settings set correctly i believe
[13:56:34] <zeeshan> (without coolant)
[13:56:42] <zeeshan> ive been running .003 with success
[13:56:43] <zeeshan> can i go fast
[13:56:46] <zeeshan> *faster
[13:56:47] <renesis> heh, like .005"
[13:56:52] <_methods> umask
[13:56:54] <renesis> on my tiny thing
[13:56:55] <Jymmm> renesis: MacGyver eat your heart out =)
[13:57:17] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, it still comes across unshared
[13:57:21] <furrywolf> I need to learn about chip load etc... my technique has always been "until it sounds right".
[13:57:22] <renesis> what was the plot of macgyver?
[13:57:31] <zeeshan> furrywolf: not much to learn
[13:57:39] <zeeshan> its the amount of chip 1 tooth removes per revolution
[13:57:43] <renesis> i dont remember at all why he was macgyver doing all this weird shit
[13:57:58] <_methods> in smb.conf what are your mask settings et at?
[13:58:04] <furrywolf> yes, I know what it IS... I just have no idea what it should be.
[13:58:09] <Jymmm> renesis: no clue, lol
[13:58:16] <renesis> furrywolf: more chip load = less cuts = longer tool life, within reason
[13:58:25] <JT-Shop> I might have messed with smb.conf some
[13:58:52] <Tom_itx> it's ok for now, i can just change permissions from win7 after i send it
[13:58:59] <Jymmm> renesis: urban assult vehicle out of a cardboard box, 3 donuts, and electric fan
[13:59:02] <Tom_itx> got bigger fish to fry right now
[13:59:06] <_methods> force security mode = 664
[13:59:17] <renesis> jymmm: snorkel, corkscrew, avocado
[13:59:17] <_methods> force directory security mode = 775
[13:59:40] <Jymmm> renesis: No, thats the airplane silly
[13:59:44] <renesis> that should work
[13:59:48] <Tom_itx> now i gotta remember all the lines i commented for my limit switches
[14:00:06] <_methods> Tom_itx: also look for the obey pam restrictions parameter and make sure it is set to ON
[14:00:25] <_methods> oops sorry
[14:00:26] <_methods> OFF
[14:01:32] <_methods> but create mask = 777 and directory mask = 777 should do the trick also if you want everything to be rwx foreveryone
[14:02:18] <_methods> probably not the most secure setup lol
[14:02:56] <renesis> that might do weird shit
[14:02:57] <Tom_itx> i can always send it to my server
[14:05:52] <_methods> well if you post the output from testparm -s that might show you where a problem is too
[14:07:43] <Jymmm> LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkpWwnNiGgE
[14:10:05] <_methods> ummmm
[14:12:58] <renesis> jymmm: wtf
[14:13:17] <renesis> rabbit is slowdragon?
[14:14:48] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHgBX4VO_M
[14:15:10] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/iSkbZhF.jpg
[14:15:13] <zeeshan> GO CORN GO!
[14:15:15] <_methods> that guy is a better rabbit
[14:16:41] * furrywolf "wtf"s at the entire conversaion
[14:16:43] <furrywolf> conversation
[14:17:09] * zeeshan wtfs at furrywolf
[14:17:11] <renesis> _methods: ya f that
[14:17:26] <_methods> hippity hoppity lol
[14:37:45] <fogl> hello
[14:39:04] <fogl> is it possible to "net" two array signals in the hal configuration?
[14:40:06] <cradek> no, a net is one signal that hooks one writer pins to one or more reader pins
[14:41:02] <fogl> so i have to multiply this command times the size of array
[14:41:06] <Jymmm> renesis: you dont like castle eating rabbits? WTF!
[14:41:38] <cradek> fogl: I don't understand your question. maybe back up and explain what you are trying to do?
[14:45:25] <fogl> i installed two comp with array-#[100]. Then i want to wire the arrays together. So a have to write "net arraysig0 compA.array-0 => compB.array0" hundred times.
[14:46:06] <fogl> Is there a simple option to wire/net two arrays together in single line hal command.
[14:46:33] <cradek> ok, I change my answer to: I don't know what an array signal is
[14:47:23] <cradek> we don't have an array hal type, only pins that have one value
[14:47:33] <fogl> pin out u32 arrayA-# [100];
[14:48:37] <fogl> i found this example at: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/comp.html#_arraydemo
[14:49:19] <cradek> ok I guess that makes 100 pins
[14:49:26] <cradek> because there is no array hal type
[14:49:42] <cradek> back up some more - what are you trying to do?
[14:51:00] <fogl> i would like to test the RTnet, and I would like to transmit the whole ethernet frame from one comp to the other.
[14:52:32] <fogl> is there some other option to exchange data between two hal modules
[14:52:34] <fogl> ?
[15:02:09] <Patang> Im trying to make some changes to gmoccapy's toolchange M6 remap, making it call a python routine. See line 45 in http://pastebin.com/TLNF3Zns . The call/routine works fine, but it is somehow called before line 32/33 is executed, so my routine is executed before the spindle is moved to the toolsensor-position. Any ideas?
[15:02:22] <fogl> samething similar was done in rt-8p8c.comp. This example includes the ethernet frame transmitter and the stepper driver in single hal module. I would like to separate this in two. This is why i need to transfer an array from one hal module to the other.
[15:47:04] <nema34> here i see some mistake
[15:47:10] <nema34> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/images/mill-diagram.png
[15:47:31] <nema34> what is the correct direction of the X axis?
[15:48:11] <nema34> like the arrow on the machin table, or like the arrows on the top right corner?
[15:49:05] <zeeshan> all relative to tool
[15:49:47] <Tom_itx> when i try to zero a G54 offset with the button, why would the axis try to move?
[15:49:58] <Tom_itx> seems a bit unusual behavior
[15:50:14] <zeeshan> lol
[15:50:23] <Tom_itx> running 2.7
[15:50:23] <zeeshan> that is weird :D
[15:51:07] <Rab> nema34, both. When the table moves in the direction of its arrow, the tool mills a path according to the Tool Direction arrow.
[15:51:28] <Rab> Same with the Y axis.
[15:51:37] <Tom_itx> got everything hooked back up, homed the machine just fine then i jogged to position and tried to zero the G54 offset and it tries to move the axis
[15:52:14] <zeeshan> what do you mean move axis
[15:52:17] <zeeshan> like rapid somewhere else?
[15:52:21] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[15:52:33] <Tom_itx> then it faults
[15:52:33] <zeeshan> are you sure youre not changing a tool offset
[15:52:34] <zeeshan> in the process
[15:52:37] <Tom_itx> i'm sure
[15:53:06] <Tom_itx> i will investigate more when i get a chance, no more time right now
[16:09:16] <cradek> Tom_itx: please be more specific about "with the button" and "tries to move"
[16:21:53] <Tom_itx> cradek i will
[16:22:08] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna test it more in a bit
[16:22:25] <Tom_itx> i brought the control & mill back in so i can bench test the whole thing
[16:23:17] <Tom_itx> i've done some major changes to the control but the limits & stepper drivers etc all stayed the same
[16:23:25] <Tom_itx> i expect a few bugs
[16:24:33] <zeeshan> yesterday night i was sleeping and in my dream
[16:24:50] <zeeshan> i was running the spindle counter clockwise, and pressed tool change button.
[16:24:54] <zeeshan> and the tool flew out
[16:25:22] <zeeshan> woke up this morning remembering the dream and i have a note now "check if tool falls out if spindle in in CCW rotation"
[16:25:29] <zeeshan> i checked it in CW rotation, but not in CCW
[16:26:08] <zeeshan> if(tc['tool_sw'] and not tc['fault'] and tc['machine_status'] and not tc['spindle_on'] and tc['spindle_speed'] <= 0.0001):
[16:26:11] <zeeshan> thats my check condition
[16:26:36] <zeeshan> i think it should be abs ( tc['spindle_speed'] <= 0.0001 )
[16:27:00] <zeeshan> cause technically if im running the spindle in reverse the speed could me -2000
[16:27:04] <zeeshan> and it'll meet my current condition!
[16:42:36] <Deejay> gn8
[17:26:18] <Tom_itx> cradek here's what happened this time: I homed the machine. that was fine, i selected T21 as the first tool, jogged to position to set the X Y Z G54 offsets and the Tool offset. That was fine..
[17:26:52] <Tom_itx> then i pressed the 'Tool Touch Off' button in axis and that brought up the dialog
[17:27:14] <Tom_itx> i pressed ok to zero the tool offset and the machine started running the loaded program
[17:27:45] <Tom_itx> i'm wondering if my pendant is interferring with something because it's not functioning right now either
[17:28:03] <Tom_itx> i wasn't using the pendant for any of this
[17:28:48] <Tom_itx> ubuntu 10.04 lcnc 2.7
[17:36:16] <Tom_itx> ok after restarting the machine, homed it, jogged to position. all ok. Loaded the program from the default lcnc program and it started to run without pushing anything
[17:36:38] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna go thru the pendant wiring to confirm it
[18:48:58] <Tom_itx> woops
[18:57:41] <Tom_itx> hm2_7i90 smart serial error port0 channel0. you may see this error if the FPGA read thread is not running
[18:58:03] <Tom_itx> ss card error (13) communication error
[19:32:44] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, how do i address the 'in-not' gate on the 7i84? i've currently got: hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.7i84.0.0.input-07 but i'd like the inverted input
[19:33:53] <Tom_itx> and why do i get so many comm errors on it?
[19:34:15] <Tom_itx> one time it said the servo thread was running too fast?
[19:35:03] <Tom_itx> bak in a few..
[19:46:19] <furrywolf> well, didn't find the perfect metal at the scrapyard, but I think I found close enough. turns out the enclosure is going to be very, very sturdy.
[19:46:42] <andypugh> 1” plate?
[19:47:02] <furrywolf> not quite that sturdy.
[19:47:15] <furrywolf> 3/16 or so. lol
[19:47:30] * furrywolf grabs calipers (thickness gauge being awol) and checks
[19:50:09] <furrywolf> bottom plate is 3/16, everything else is 1/8. drive mounts are .325, which is..? something between 5/16 and 3/8.
[19:50:29] <furrywolf> corners are going to be joined with 1+1/4" angle, 1/8" thick.
[19:52:26] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer/description >$1M so far and 3 weeks to go
[19:53:02] <furrywolf> to save space, I'm mounting the drives vertically on 5" by 2" by .325 alu. it's .325 at the end, gets thicker towards the bend. I figure this'll move the heat to the outside of the box effectively, where I'll mount the heatsink. I plan on having it sealed, so no fans or internal heatsinks.
[19:54:53] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: how long is the 5x2?
[19:55:05] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: they need to unfuck EU shipping ($20)
[19:55:25] <SpeedEvil> And that $30 means it is no longer a 'low value' consignment, so gets an extra $10 fee, $6 in VAT
[19:55:37] <SpeedEvil> So $46 or so for a $9 item
[19:55:39] <furrywolf> I got 2ft of it. I'll cut it into 4" wide pieces, as that's how wide the drive is. I'll need to notch the bottom corners to clear the angle that makes up the edge of the box, but not too badly.
[19:55:42] <CaptHindsight> yup
[19:56:37] <furrywolf> I'll be mounting them _|D_|D_|D_|D_|D, where _| is the heavy angle, and D is the drive.
[19:56:59] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: I'm going to post the same version A13 board deign files only with discrete DDR and NAND vs the POP module
[19:57:44] <furrywolf> then that'll bolt to the heavy bottom plate in the box (3/16" alu) with more thermal grease, then if that runs hot, I'll bolt a heatsink to the outside of the box, with more thermal grease.
[19:58:04] <CaptHindsight> sorry SpeedEvil vs furrywolf http://openlunchbox.com/smf/index.php?board=42.0 when i get some time
[19:59:00] <furrywolf> yeah, I was wondering why you were telling me things that didn't make any sense. :P
[19:59:13] <CaptHindsight> I have to see if the A13 POP is available in China
[19:59:22] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: sorry, long day :)
[19:59:56] <furrywolf> any comments on drive mounting? obviously it's not thermally ideal, but they don't seem to get warm just sitting in open air, so they should stay nice and cold
[20:00:05] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: which drives?
[20:00:10] <furrywolf> centent cn0165
[20:01:19] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: keep the surfaces as flat as possible between the drive and alu angle
[20:01:53] <CaptHindsight> use a heat sink compound, keep the distance from the drive to the outside air as short as possible
[20:02:21] <furrywolf> yes. I mentioned thermal grease several times. :P
[20:02:50] <CaptHindsight> I see that the drive has a nice heat plate for conduction
[20:03:10] <furrywolf> yep. that nice plate will be bolted to the heavy angle, which then bolts to the heavy plate at the bottom of the box.
[20:03:29] <furrywolf> it's still a long thermal path, but as I said, the drives seem to run barely warm just sitting in open air.
[20:03:52] <CaptHindsight> since you're using conduction from inside the enclosure all the connections should be as solid as possible
[20:04:04] <CaptHindsight> flat with compound
[20:04:07] <furrywolf> yep
[20:04:14] <CaptHindsight> I could model it for you
[20:04:33] <CaptHindsight> do you know the alloy for the angle?
[20:04:40] <furrywolf> nope
[20:04:44] <furrywolf> aluminum. :P
[20:04:49] <furrywolf> it's all $1.50/lb.
[20:05:03] <CaptHindsight> does it look extruded?
[20:05:15] <furrywolf> it feels like a cheaper structual grade, while the bottom plate is a much harder-sounding shiny grade
[20:05:17] <furrywolf> yes
[20:05:21] <CaptHindsight> it won't matter that much
[20:05:50] <CaptHindsight> whats the enclosure made from?
[20:06:10] <CaptHindsight> how far from the drive to the outside face of the enclosure?
[20:06:13] <furrywolf> aluminum. as I said, the part I'll be bolting to is 3/16" plate.
[20:06:45] <furrywolf> the drive will be on-end. one end of the drive will be butted against the enclosure (well, maybe 1/8" for working room), the other end will be 4.5" from the enclosure.
[20:07:36] <CaptHindsight> that should run cool
[20:07:57] <furrywolf> if the outside of the enclosure gets hot, I'll bolt a heatsink to it.
[20:08:01] <furrywolf> but I don't think it will.
[20:08:20] <CaptHindsight> most aluminum alloys are >100W/mK
[20:08:30] <furrywolf> the angle is .325 in the middle, and gets very thick (maybe 1/2" - I didn't measure) around the bend.
[20:08:36] <CaptHindsight> and you're not traveling far
[20:08:51] <andypugh> I eventually managed to figure out Vismach: https://youtu.be/5OnV-zyVO8U
[20:08:57] <furrywolf> it's actually 6" channel, but I'll be getting 1.25" off the end to make it 4.75" angle.
[20:09:00] <furrywolf> cutting
[20:09:48] <CaptHindsight> since the enclosure is sealed and all aluminum you can even add a fan to the inside to just circulate air
[20:10:17] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: what the overall surface area of the enclosure? several sq ft?
[20:10:43] <furrywolf> it won't be completely sealed... I'm not using airtight connectors, gaskets, etc. just no holes big enough for swarf or the occasional coolant splash to get into, since it'll be bolted right to the machine.
[20:11:45] <furrywolf> the box will be 20.5" wide, 18" tall, and 5.25" deep. the bottom plate, where I'm bolting the drives, is 20.25" by 5" by 3/16".
[20:11:48] <CaptHindsight> I've had several hundreds of watts of cpu and gpu in sealed aluminum enclosures smaller than yours
[20:12:20] <furrywolf> my first thought was to mount the drives to the back panel, but they take up a lot of room that way, making very inefficient use of the space.
[20:15:15] <furrywolf> five of them, with room for wiring, is about half the usable surface of the back panel
[20:16:31] <furrywolf> 20.5in - 1.25in * 2 (angle that makes up the corners) by 18in - 1.25in * 2 is 279in2. the drives are 4 by 4.5", figure 2" for wiring on the long side, is 130in2...
[20:16:58] <furrywolf> I could just do that... it'll save me a lot of cutting... but I'm worried I'll run out of box space.
[20:17:21] <furrywolf> the power supply I built I'll bolt to a bracket that'll be about 9" by 6"... there's another 54in2...
[20:18:00] <CaptHindsight> you can always add more heat spreader to the outside of the enclosure if it gets too warm later
[20:18:27] <furrywolf> there's space taken up by plugs, switches, etc mounted to the side panels... I'll need a 24v supply too... then the breakout board or mesa board... SSR for the spindle...
[20:18:29] <CaptHindsight> but you should be fine with the short distance from drive to case external surface
[20:18:32] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> if the outside of the enclosure gets hot, I'll bolt a heatsink to it.
[20:19:19] <CaptHindsight> so just focus on making it fit the way you want
[20:19:57] <furrywolf> mounting everything to the back would let me build a nice 2" thick box instead of a 5" box, if it all fit... mounting things at right angles makes much better use of space. :)
[20:20:18] <furrywolf> well, 3.5" thick, would still need to fit the 3" diameter power supply cap and ~3" thick transformer.
[20:25:51] <PCW> Tom_itx: hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.7i84.0.0.input-07-not
[20:25:53] <PCW> or if in doubt just:
[20:25:54] <PCW> halcmd show pin
[20:48:31] <Tom_itx> ok
[20:49:28] <Tom_itx> any idea why the comm error started showing up?
[20:53:18] * furrywolf is hungry, and noses around people's kitchens looking for good food
[20:57:46] <furrywolf> what's the easiest way to get something that tightly fits a 7/8" square shaft? I could try finding 1+1/4" box with a 3/16" wall, but it always has rounded corners...
[20:59:47] <furrywolf> I could go for a larger size tubing and weld scraps of plate in it to make a nice square inside, but that's a lot of work...
[21:00:53] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: is hammering said shaft through a tightly fitting orifice an option?
[21:01:15] <SpeedEvil> Also - is there a reason you can't relieve the cornets of the shaft?
[21:11:26] <zeeshan> furrywolf: permanently?
[21:13:26] <norias> hi
[21:18:04] <furrywolf> no. it has a hole and a pin that goes through it.
[21:18:06] <Tom_itx> train just derailed in fillie
[21:18:32] <furrywolf> I was thinking I could file the corners of the box square, but it's 2" deep, and that's a lot of filing...
[21:18:51] <furrywolf> hrmm. on a completely unrelated topic, my batteries don't like me running the dryer and the microwave at once.
[21:19:43] <furrywolf> my auger has a 7/8" square output shaft, which seems uncommon. all the cheap bits are a round shaft. want to weld up a little adapter.
[21:24:55] <norias> do it
[21:25:54] <furrywolf> I can't find a common size steel tube with a 7/8" inside... 1.25" seems oddly uncommon...
[21:26:39] <cradek> Tom_itx: I definitely agree with your inclination to check pendant/halui stuff
[21:28:13] <Tom_itx> cradek, i'd forgotten i had remapped some gpio to the 7i84 but forgot to change the file. however that hasn't cured all
[21:28:30] <Tom_itx> i did that while rewiring the control
[21:28:44] <Tom_itx> it's still behaving odd
[21:28:51] <Tom_itx> but i'm still checking wiring too
[21:29:21] <Tom_itx> i can't explain the comm error
[21:35:25] <renesis> furrywolf: i wonder of thats a standard giant socket size
[21:36:58] <furrywolf> not likely. heh.
[21:37:53] <renesis> heh, first links that pops up for 7/8" square drive is some auger on amazon
[21:38:52] <furrywolf> the 7/8" square ones cost five times what the 3/4" round ones do. many brands invent their own shafts to make sure you have to buy their accessories to go with their tools...
[21:40:16] <renesis> the round ones just use a pin to keep from spinning?
[21:41:08] <furrywolf> yep
[21:41:34] <furrywolf> which probably also provides a bit of safety, in that it shears if you repeatedly ram it into a chunk of concrete...
[21:43:51] <renesis> guys how do i hold a guitar body and reference after flip
[21:44:32] <Tom_itx> common part would be it's centerline
[21:44:50] <renesis> and i just mark it?
[21:44:59] <Tom_itx> somehow
[21:45:09] <Tom_itx> are there any holes in it you can reference to?
[21:45:49] <renesis> neck holes, pot holes
[21:46:18] <renesis> so the problem is theyre both into pockets, and the pockets are on opposite sides
[21:46:22] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/RNG2wk6.jpg
[21:46:31] <zeeshan> 10 thou skin worked well
[21:47:05] <renesis> how are you attaching the pedal?
[21:47:23] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/uTxtgLx.png
[21:47:32] <Tom_itx> make an opposite fixture to hold it?
[21:47:38] <renesis> haha you could screw into the arm
[21:47:57] <Tom_itx> and have guide pins or something in the fixture itself to reference from
[21:48:28] <zeeshan> 4 flute seems to work like shit on aluminum
[21:48:31] <zeeshan> without coolant..
[21:48:43] <Tom_itx> i don't use 4flute on aluminum
[21:48:44] <renesis> well, okay so i think overcimplicating doing the pockets and controls
[21:48:50] <zeeshan> 2 flute?
[21:48:56] <Tom_itx> yep
[21:49:00] <Tom_itx> some here will say 3
[21:49:09] <Tom_itx> but i've always gone with 2
[21:49:13] <zeeshan> with 4 flute theres not enough chip evac
[21:49:16] <zeeshan> 2 flute makes sense to me.
[21:49:19] <zeeshan> tons of room for chip evac
[21:49:29] <Tom_itx> it's kinda hard to mic a 3flute mill
[21:49:33] <zeeshan> lol
[21:50:07] <Tom_itx> 4 are for steel etc
[21:50:15] <Tom_itx> chips come off smaller
[21:50:39] <renesis> hmm, i could do pockets for controls and neck last
[21:50:44] <norias> there's special mikes for 3flute
[21:50:47] <norias> actually
[21:50:48] <renesis> and leave drills full depth
[21:50:57] <norias> you could probably make one
[21:51:06] <norias> with a standard micrometer head
[21:51:07] <renesis> norias: do they look scary?
[21:51:29] <norias> http://www.amazon.com/Brown-Sharpe-3-Flute-Outside-Micrometer/dp/B007PSTW1I
[21:51:38] * renesis picturing some three pincer torture device looking thing
[21:51:45] <zeeshan> let me buy 10 of them @ 1091$!
[21:51:52] <renesis> cool thats not scary at all
[21:51:53] <norias> hmmm
[21:52:04] <norias> i guess you'd have to do some math on that
[21:52:16] <norias> i don't see that being direct reading
[21:52:34] <Tom_itx> it's hardly worth the special tools just to use 3flute
[21:52:38] <renesis> why it wouldnt be linear?
[21:53:03] <renesis> i think they would just have to get the v angle right
[21:53:04] <zeeshan> because the point of contact of a cylinder changes
[21:53:05] <zeeshan> based on side
[21:53:09] <zeeshan> *size
[21:53:10] <norias> yeah
[21:53:25] <norias> damnit, now i'm making a sketch
[21:53:33] <zeeshan> but since you know the angle of the v groove
[21:53:37] <renesis> yeah but if they get the v right it maybe cancels the offset from that
[21:53:39] <renesis> shrug
[21:54:29] <zeeshan> interesting trig problem
[21:54:30] <renesis> micrometers with exponential ticks would be rad
[21:54:36] <zeeshan> on solving it based on the angle haha
[21:54:57] <jdh> 3 point mic
[21:56:09] <renesis> zeeshan: it would be faster in solidworks
[21:56:14] <renesis> even in autocad
[21:56:36] <zeeshan> why do you need it
[21:56:39] <zeeshan> its just a triangle..
[21:56:46] <renesis> head cnc instructor was a badass with trig, hed be like AND NOW YOU DO THESE TRIG PROBLEMS...
[21:56:49] <zeeshan> if you know the angle of the traingle and the micrometer reading
[21:56:51] <zeeshan> you know the diameter..
[21:57:09] <renesis> and i just flip the laptop around with the shit in cad, with the angle measured out
[21:57:24] * Tom_itx has measured 15 2 flute by this time
[21:57:37] <jdh> heh
[21:57:44] <renesis> going really slow, too
[21:57:47] <jdh> make a cut, measure it
[21:58:26] <jdh> we have lots of 3-point mics at work. twist, read
[21:59:26] <renesis> yeah im guessing the angle of the v makes the output linear somehow
[21:59:35] <Tom_itx> yeah we had a set of inside mics for holes
[21:59:47] <Tom_itx> didn't use them that often though
[22:00:10] <jdh> these are external, for measuring cylinders
[22:00:16] <renesis> on place i worked had some pretty big ones for measuring subwoofer magnets
[22:00:53] <renesis> the unmagnetized ferrites, and then these ridiculous 3ft vernier calipers
[22:01:16] * furrywolf has a 2ft vernier caliper
[22:01:22] <renesis> there were three, one was cut with a saw and welded back
[22:01:26] <renesis> no one knew why
[22:01:42] <renesis> same place had a 2x3' granite inspection block
[22:01:50] <renesis> giant crack in it
[22:02:23] <jdh> we have a 4x20 one.
[22:02:36] <jdh> it has been almost scrapped repeatedly
[22:02:48] <renesis> how thick?
[22:03:12] * furrywolf has no fancy measuring tools
[22:03:16] <jdh> dunno. it's massive.
[22:03:17] <renesis> how the fuck do you move that
[22:03:32] <jdh> the stand is massive
[22:03:48] <renesis> comes on its own truck and shit
[22:03:53] <jdh> other building has a vertical one about that size
[22:04:25] <jdh> they have it certified every year. has some angular adjustment to keep the face perpendicular
[22:05:04] <renesis> wow so the table is adjustable, besides being massive?
[22:05:38] <jdh> I has some sort of tilt mechanism
[22:06:14] <renesis> this is for aerospace stuff?
[22:06:16] <jdh> don't recall much other than that. Massive block
[22:06:26] <jdh> nuclear
[22:06:32] <renesis> oh, cool
[22:07:01] <renesis> thats prob more important that launching test pilots into outer space
[22:18:09] <furrywolf> looks like I'm going to be stuck shimming larger box down to 7/8... probably not too hard.
[22:19:23] <zeeshan> lol
[22:19:30] <zeeshan> wow im so out of trig , i finally solved this 3 mic prob
[22:19:33] <zeeshan> good refresher
[22:26:37] <furrywolf> I was pretty good at trig back when I did raytracing stuff, but that was a while ago.
[22:28:00] <furrywolf> taking a ray and seeing which object (out of possibly millions) it hits, where on the object, what angle it hit the object, what plane is tangential to the surface at that point, etc, etc...
[22:30:32] <zeeshan> gotta keep doing it
[22:30:33] <zeeshan> to stay in shape
[22:30:35] <furrywolf> then there was the photon mapping... never got it finished, but that was even more trig!
[22:30:38] <zeeshan> i like to solve random problems like this to warm up
[22:30:48] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/40MV3bV.jpg
[22:30:51] <zeeshan> im pretty sure this is the solution
[22:31:01] <zeeshan> assuming the V angle is 45 (likely is)
[22:31:08] <furrywolf> my internet connection is sucking too badly tonight to even think of loading images.
[22:31:10] <furrywolf> ��� CTCP PING reply from furrywolf: 19.318 seconds
[22:31:18] <zeeshan> the reading on your mic will just be 2 times the radius of the circle
[22:31:22] <zeeshan> or simply the diameter
[22:31:23] <zeeshan> haha
[22:32:10] <furrywolf> slowly loading image
[22:33:14] <furrywolf> I don't get it. you're trying to measure a 3-flute cutter? why are the sides different lengths?
[22:33:55] <zeeshan> the two side a's are the faces of the V angle on the mic
[22:34:08] <zeeshan> the side b is where the mic's anvil makes contact on the end mill
[22:34:15] <furrywolf> oh, I don't have mics with vees. lol
[22:34:27] <zeeshan> we were talkin about that 3 point mic thing
[22:35:35] <zeeshan> im almost dead positive that they make those 3 point mics 45 deg angle
[22:35:39] <zeeshan> cause then the reading is the diameter
[22:35:45] * zeeshan checks
[22:36:13] <zeeshan> hmm doesnt look like 45 deg
[22:36:22] <zeeshan> looks like 60 deg
[22:36:44] <furrywolf> 60 would make more sense. measuring a 3-sided cutter with a 45 degree vee will result in the cutter sitting in too far
[22:36:58] <Tom_itx> uhh
[22:37:00] <Tom_itx> yeah....
[22:37:11] <zeeshan> so i guess X != diameter then
[22:41:14] <zeeshan> ok redid the math,
[22:41:28] <zeeshan> micrometer reading (x) = (2/3)*D
[22:42:10] <zeeshan> enough math for tonight
[22:42:13] <furrywolf> lol
[22:42:33] <zeeshan> actually before i give up, gonna check solution in cad :p
[22:43:01] <norias> 60 doesn't work
[22:58:45] <furrywolf> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/archive/PIA19547.gif ceres has shiny spots
[22:59:17] <norias> someone left the lights on
[23:00:58] <furrywolf> or, more likely, it has ice. which is pretty significant for space exploration.
[23:02:45] <renesis> zeeshan: its linear, so they could scale the reading up by 1.5 and it would read direct, if 2d/3 is correct
[23:03:07] <zeeshan> no idea if the solution is correct :P
[23:03:10] <zeeshan> check with a 3 point mic!
[23:03:20] <renesis> you just guessed?
[23:03:28] <zeeshan> no i just equated areas
[23:03:30] <renesis> and why i have sw installed
[23:03:42] <furrywolf> linear makes sense to me. the contact points are always a certain ratio of the radius away. that ratio doesn't change with size.
[23:04:10] <furrywolf> I'd be woried if it wasn't linear. :)
[23:19:47] <furrywolf> I only dream in black and white... I only dream 'cause I'm alive... I only dream in black and white... to save my from myself...
[23:20:00] * furrywolf listens to iron maiden at a volume that's probably excessive for the time of night
[23:20:04] <norias> nice
[23:20:15] <norias> i don't always run for the hills
[23:20:17] <norias> but when i do
[23:20:21] <norias> i run for my life
[23:20:21] <renesis> wtf how close is your closest neighbor?
[23:20:38] <furrywolf> you mean "how loud is your stereo" :P
[23:21:04] <renesis> prob not that loud
[23:21:09] <furrywolf> I think you know I have a half dozen square feet of woofers in here... :P
[23:21:12] <norias> there really isn't a max volume on iron maiden
[23:21:14] <renesis> considering its 30 year old home stuff
[23:21:49] <renesis> i was just saying, i didnt think you were close enough to neighbors for it to matter
[23:22:04] <renesis> i live in apartment with people on both sides i get pretty loud
[23:22:28] <renesis> tho, theres prob like a dozen frathouses within three blocks
[23:23:06] <furrywolf> if you listen to loud music in an apartment, there's a term for people like you.
[23:23:29] <norias> that's how megadeth got started
[23:23:30] <norias> btw
[23:23:52] <renesis> furrywolf: asshole
[23:23:57] <furrywolf> yep, that's the one!
[23:24:11] <renesis> but my neighbor is a fuckhead drunk who broke my door once and got me stuck in my apartment
[23:24:26] <renesis> and the girls in front, well they dont say anything
[23:24:29] <norias> david ellefson was playing real loud
[23:24:37] <norias> dave mustaine got annoyed
[23:24:40] <norias> that's how they met
[23:24:56] * furrywolf would rate "dream of mirrors" as one of iron maiden's most underrated songs
[23:25:16] <renesis> listening
[23:26:20] <renesis> this is actually a way clean recording
[23:26:39] <renesis> just letting you know because you would never know on your frankensystem
[23:27:28] <renesis> this song does not rock
[23:27:40] <renesis> damn 7:00 left
[23:28:13] <furrywolf> you can look but you can't touch, I don't think I like you much, heaven knows what a girl can do, heaven knows what you've got to prove... I think I'm paranoid, and complicated, I think I'm paranoid, manipulated... bend me baby any way you need me all I want is you bend me baby breakin' down is easy all I want is you...
[23:28:19] * furrywolf loves random
[23:28:31] <furrywolf> and typing lyrics realtime is good typing practice. :)
[23:28:49] <renesis> yeah fuck this iron maiden shit ill listen to that
[23:28:55] <furrywolf> lol
[23:29:18] <furrywolf> norias: I think renesis doesn't appreciate good music.
[23:29:22] <renesis> much better
[23:29:37] <renesis> whatever that maiden shit was a bad as rush
[23:30:03] <furrywolf> no, you can listen to iron maiden _without_ doing meth.
[23:30:14] <renesis> shirly not trying to sound like an opera singer fucking a sheep
[23:30:27] <furrywolf> lol
[23:30:29] <renesis> so now rush fans are meth heads?
[23:30:33] <furrywolf> now?
[23:30:38] <norias> shit.
[23:30:42] * norias exits convo.
[23:30:46] <furrywolf> lol
[23:32:13] <norias> i like rush
[23:32:17] <norias> fu
[23:32:28] <renesis> i dont like the vocals
[23:32:57] <norias> i like the lyrics
[23:32:58] <norias> often
[23:33:35] <renesis> no idea, i cant get over his voice enough to listen to much
[23:33:57] <furrywolf> hrmm, this one is harder. the sad little lies that make me want to cry lacerates my heart the way that the skin looks all sunken in nauseates my emotions the cry for help that makes mw ant to fix it all the need for the calvary to ride in and save the day you can try to walk on by you can turn your back away you can ride the .. let them suffer another day cut through your heart until it pays don't play your part keep your own ways
[23:33:58] <renesis> a lot of people who i respect as far as musical taste are into rush, i just cant do it
[23:34:03] <furrywolf> meh, I failed at that one. missed a few words.
[23:34:29] <furrywolf> I'm not a rush fan. clockwork angels had a couple tracks that aren't too bad, but I wouldn't call myself a fan at all.
[23:34:30] <renesis> id rather listen to hole
[23:36:19] * renesis listening to hole
[23:36:43] * furrywolf is listening to random stuff. flotsam and jetsam at the moment
[23:37:24] <norias> jason!
[23:39:30] <furrywolf> coming to the stairs, picking up my phone, I don't want to answer, pretending I'm not home, you can kill your television but I want to kill my telephone, always someone calling trying to get me to donate calling me in the am afternoon and when it's late you can kill your televsion but I want to kill my telephone late at night I like to watch the ? on tv, I feel safe alone in here, as long as no one tries to dial me phone is always ringing but no
[23:41:47] <furrywolf> sing me a song, you're a singer, do me a wrong, you're a bringer of evil, the devil is never a maker, the less that you give, you're a taker /me stops, since everyone should have this one memorized. :P
[23:42:48] <norias> uh
[23:43:54] <furrywolf> lol
[23:44:17] <norias> and the dragon
[23:44:47] <t12> fav insult for tool fans
[23:44:52] <t12> is to tell them tool is the new rush
[23:44:56] <norias> i feel bad that i heckled dio back in the day
[23:45:01] <norias> eh.
[23:45:07] <norias> rush doesn't do songs about drugs
[23:45:20] <furrywolf> I don't like tool.
[23:45:28] <norias> tool is cool
[23:45:44] <norias> but not even remotely like rush
[23:46:11] <renesis> tool is like the pinnacle of dysfunction rock
[23:46:12] <t12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8pO8r34RW4
[23:46:35] <norias> dysfunction rock?
[23:46:44] <renesis> i made that up just now
[23:46:44] <norias> i thought they were going kinda math rock
[23:46:46] <norias> or whatever
[23:46:53] <furrywolf> I have pretty wide tate in music... it does not include tool.
[23:46:56] <furrywolf> taste
[23:46:57] <renesis> but i imagine aic and nin are involved
[23:47:00] <norias> i dig some of the tool stuff
[23:47:09] <norias> that sounds kinda spiritual
[23:47:10] <furrywolf> I listed to three 13th floor elevators albums in a row the other night. lol
[23:47:12] <t12> they're digging a bit deep into the newage these days
[23:47:14] <norias> rush is all intellectual
[23:47:31] <renesis> im not really a musician so i think a lot of rush is kind of lost on me
[23:47:41] <renesis> dream theater is kind of the same way
[23:48:14] <renesis> friends will be like DID YOU HEAR WHAT THEY DID JEZUS FUCK OMG and im kinda like, ya man almost all the music i like is like that
[23:50:45] <furrywolf> gah, this one is hard. I don't know what I'm going after I don't but I'm moving ? faster I want to hide but there's nowhere to hide now.. I'm moving ??? but I need an answer ?? said ???? I'm here to release you from the thunder... bah, I give up
[23:51:10] <renesis> cant you just ask the internet
[23:51:16] <furrywolf> no. :P
[23:51:25] <furrywolf> a) that's cheating, b) I bet this one isn't on the internet
[23:52:22] <furrywolf> this is "eat my fear" by "the setting son", album "before I eat my eyes and ears"
[23:54:02] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9eJp3RBq4A
[23:54:34] <furrywolf> you'll complain it doesn't rock. :P
[23:54:38] <renesis> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA6qVlXRInI
[23:54:45] <renesis> there listen to those lyrics
[23:54:57] <renesis> best lyrical content of the last decade
[23:55:12] <norias> thanks for making me listen to toool tonight
[23:55:12] <furrywolf> ...no
[23:55:55] <renesis> cmon you want to show off your speakers, no?
[23:56:16] <renesis> tha track probably break them after the drop
[23:56:18] <renesis> =(
[23:56:23] <renesis> ^t
[23:57:11] <renesis> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM0_6Bm-Adc
[23:57:22] <t12> youtube bass poor
[23:57:23] <renesis> tc is an equal opportunity producer
[23:58:00] <renesis> t12: dunno my sub is doing stuff
[23:58:09] <t12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmsbP13xu6k
[23:58:21] <t12> is one of my more fav bass test tracks
[23:58:33] <furrywolf> if you want lyrics about sex, how about a still-hot-at-whatever jett? you look good in latex, get off having rough sex, surprised, round the bed, restrained, while I fuck your head, gaze down, it's time to be my dog, I'll push, to get you in that fog, pain turns to pleaure fast, relax, while I pound your ass, cool cat, come on, I'll give you some, oh yeah, I'm gonna watch you come... there, that enough sex for you? :P
[23:59:10] <renesis> t12: nice
[23:59:23] <furrywolf> youtube plays on my laptop's little tinny speakers, not on the stereo, because firefox is defective by design and unable to switch audio output devices
[23:59:39] <renesis> chrome does that too
[23:59:47] <t12> ever see rubber
[23:59:54] <t12> oizo did the soundtrack