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[00:00:09] <PetefromTn_> figured there might be others here who would know a bit about it.
[00:01:29] <furrywolf> I think they're all asleep, which is what I should be too.
[00:01:43] <PetefromTn_> probably
[00:04:33] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[00:10:36] <norias> enjoy
[00:20:59] <PetefromTn_> Holy shit I think I just figured it out...
[00:22:22] <PetefromTn_> AWESOME!!!! LOL
[00:31:11] <PetefromTn_> Now I can enjoy my music WHILE I do my Cad drawings for this damn one off pair of parts I am making tomorrow
[01:42:55] <Deejay> moin
[03:41:16] <RyanS> interesting that electric crucible furnaces mostly seem to be square, youd think the heating wouldn't be uniform
[03:43:48] <RyanS> http://www.rayteq.com/images/nickel_chrome_4.jpg
[06:12:37] <SpeedEvil> Radiation dominates extremely over convection at high temperatures
[07:47:35] <jthornton> mill.glade targets Gtk+ 2.16 But this version of Glade is for GTK+ 3 only. Make sure you can run this project with Glade 3.8 with no deprecated widgets first.
[07:47:49] <jthornton> oh nice another surprise
[07:48:40] <_methods> gotta love the latest and the greatest
[07:48:49] <jthornton> yea
[07:51:15] <_methods> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer
[07:51:24] <_methods> $9 raspi lol
[07:52:00] <_methods> hah that pencil as a kickstand is cool idea
[08:15:56] <Jymmm> jthornton: I don't know how much you get yours for...
http://www.dx.com/p/universal-water-resistant-car-motorcycle-1a-2-1a-dual-usb-charger-adapter-for-cellphones-385209
[08:16:45] <Jymmm> jthornton: dual cigar jacks...
http://www.dx.com/p/car-center-console-dual-port-female-cigarette-lighter-black-385223
[08:18:25] <JT-Shop> I use the Blue Seas brand
[08:47:02] <JT-Shop> while the tractor is out of the way I figured I'm mow but the rider has a leaker and it's flat, to get it off I need to move some steel to get to the floor jack... no wonder I don't get much done
[08:55:22] <_methods> hehe you're not having much luck with teh mower lately
[08:57:58] <JT-Shop> I sealed the front tires a few years ago with rim seal but it still leaks... time to get new ones for the front
[09:03:54] <JT-Shop> I did manage to get the mail box latch adjusted lol
[10:34:45] <ssi> shit
[10:34:54] <ssi> saratoga down off pdk, four dead
[10:37:26] <FinboySlick> ssi: saratoga being a plane?
[10:37:41] <ssi> yes
[12:19:57] <swarfer> just updated to 2.6.7, should I update the kernel rtai package too?
[12:27:49] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Did you ever get that rotary table auto-toolpost to work?
[12:28:28] <_methods> PetefromTn_: i got outbid on all the rotabs
[12:28:34] <_methods> they all went for over $900
[12:28:59] <FinboySlick> _methods: Wait, was it you working on that?
[12:29:04] <_methods> nah
[12:29:18] <_methods> i've just been keeping an eye out at auctions for pete on rotabs
[12:30:12] <_methods> there were 8 rotabs at this last auction thought i might be able to get one for $500 or less
[12:34:40] <PetefromTn_> why hell no..
[12:34:42] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[12:35:21] <PetefromTn_> It's all good man I am kinda tapped out right now.
[12:35:30] <PetefromTn_> Just bought a new liner and filter for my pool
[12:35:33] <_methods> cool i would have sat on it for ya
[12:35:38] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: What better to energize yourself than to build your own? ;)
[12:35:56] <PetefromTn_> gotta get that bitch setup so we can chill around the pool this summer!
[12:36:04] <PetefromTn_> Thanks man I appreciate it.
[12:37:19] <_methods> yeah i can afford to sit on $500 for a few lol
[12:37:35] <PetefromTn_> Wish I could LOL
[12:37:49] <PetefromTn_> I must admit I kinda indulged myself last night tho..
[12:37:56] <_methods> i try and keep a few $$ around for hot deals
[12:38:16] <PetefromTn_> I have been enjoying our Denon AV reciever I bought years ago for a LONG time now
[12:38:18] <_methods> $500 hrt-210 = hot deal
[12:38:29] <PetefromTn_> and it does not have HDMI unfortunately
[12:38:40] <PetefromTn_> so I have been looking for an alternative
[12:38:52] <_methods> i just buy med grade recivers anymore
[12:39:06] <_methods> i quit buying high end audiophool stuff
[12:39:17] <PetefromTn_> Managed to find a basically brand new Onkyo networked HDMI reciever for a song!
[12:39:24] <_methods> i got a yamaha avr750 or soemthing like that now
[12:39:28] <PetefromTn_> This thing looks like it just came out of the box literally
[12:39:51] <_methods> has 5 hdmi i think
[12:39:53] * FinboySlick really likes the Yamaha receivers.
[12:40:13] <PetefromTn_> I swear it is so kickass to be able to stream awesome music from my Cellphone or Pc
[12:40:21] <PetefromTn_> Yamaha makes GREAT stuff
[12:40:31] <_methods> yeah i got that yamaha for like $200 on newegg
[12:40:33] <PetefromTn_> I had that Denon forever and it is AWESOME
[12:41:16] <PetefromTn_> but this thing is so networked it is not even funny and it literally integrates my flatscreen and Blu ray and everything else together
[12:41:22] <PetefromTn_> So Sweet
[12:41:32] <PetefromTn_> 130 watts across the fronts
[12:41:38] <_methods> yeah it's nice i can control all my stuff from my phone now
[12:41:43] <PetefromTn_> been streaming Pandora all morning
[12:41:45] <_methods> i don't need a remote at all
[12:41:54] <PetefromTn_> yeah this does that too on their Onkyo ap
[12:42:00] <PetefromTn_> Sweetness
[12:42:06] <PetefromTn_> I am totally loving this thing
[12:42:24] <PetefromTn_> Gotta get my Miller and Kreisel Sub out of the closet and hook it up again
[12:42:48] <PetefromTn_> It really sounds great I swear
[12:42:59] <PetefromTn_> I STOLE this thing on Craigslist
[12:43:39] <PetefromTn_> My kids are home today and they are like DADDY TURN DOWN THE MUSIC!! ;)
[12:43:41] <_methods> yeah i had an onkyo before i got my yamaha
[12:43:47] <_methods> the hdmi board on the onkyo died
[12:44:03] <PetefromTn_> I know that is a problem with quite a few receivers out there
[12:44:06] <PetefromTn_> sucks
[12:44:13] <PetefromTn_> hopefully that will not happen with this one
[12:44:22] <_methods> i tried to reflow the hdmi chip and i think i got it too hot
[12:44:36] <zeeshan> http://www.genswiss.com/images/tapcollets1.jpg
[12:44:39] <zeeshan> has anyone used these?
[12:45:05] <PetefromTn_> I like the audio controls on this thing
[12:45:14] <_methods> yeah i loved my onkyo
[12:45:14] <zeeshan> http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v2/494687016/ER32_Tap_Collet.jpg
[12:45:15] <PetefromTn_> not too complex but gives you what you need
[12:45:15] <zeeshan> or this
[12:45:17] <_methods> till it died
[12:45:29] <_methods> it gave good tunes while it was alive though
[12:45:46] <PetefromTn_> Gonna put the Denon in our bedroom and run my Boston Acoustics up there
[12:46:29] <PetefromTn_> I almost bought the top of line Yamaha when I bought my Denon years ago it was a close race between the Onkyo, Denon, and Yamaha at the time
[12:46:33] <_methods> i've been so happy with my cheapo yamaha i'll just buy sub $300 stuff now
[12:46:38] <PetefromTn_> All of them were over $1500.00
[12:47:05] <PetefromTn_> but this thing has lasted so long and STILL works I think it was a bargain
[12:48:11] <PetefromTn_> methods It always seems like you and I have a lot in common for some reason...
[12:48:32] <_methods> it's the heat lol
[12:48:42] <_methods> fla heat lol
[12:48:49] <_methods> melted your braino
[12:48:58] <PetefromTn_> I wish I could feel some of that Florida Heat right now LOL
[12:49:15] <_methods> a tropical depression just spun up right on top of us
[12:49:35] <_methods> we're overdue for a hurricane for sure
[12:49:36] <PetefromTn_> I thought you were in SCar
[12:49:40] <_methods> i am
[12:49:54] <PetefromTn_> well that doesn't qualify man sorry LOL
[12:49:59] <_methods> hahaha
[12:50:13] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I heard about that storm
[12:50:25] <PetefromTn_> I remember we used to have Hurricane Parties down there ;)
[12:50:35] <_methods> yeah we haven't had one of those in awhile
[12:51:33] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_DKWlrA24k I love this song..
[12:53:15] <zeeshan> http://www.vargus.com/shaviv/
[12:53:17] <zeeshan> made in israel?
[12:53:37] <PetefromTn_> I have several of those they are very good.
[12:53:50] <zeeshan> im thinking of grabbging the Eset
[12:53:54] <zeeshan> its on sale at a local supplier
[12:53:58] <zeeshan> i have the B set
[12:54:03] <_methods> noga and shaviv
[12:54:07] <zeeshan> looks like a slighly thicker blade
[12:54:07] <_methods> isreali
[12:54:15] <PetefromTn_> there is one with a plastic shaft and one with a steel sheaft
[12:54:29] <zeeshan> the mango handle thing?
[12:54:31] <PetefromTn_> I like the steel telescoping shaft better
[12:54:32] <zeeshan> with the stripes?
[12:54:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[12:54:54] <Rab> zeeshan, I have one and it's pretty good.
[12:55:06] <zeeshan> nice
[12:55:14] <zeeshan> i never tried them, i got the handles w/ a tool haul
[12:55:16] <zeeshan> but no blades
[12:55:24] <_methods> i have 6 of em
[12:55:29] <Rab> Although the one that I have is the one that takes both blade sizes, and I recommend avoiding that because it has trouble holding onto the small blades.
[12:55:31] <_methods> best whirligigs around
[12:55:45] <_methods> the deburr kit is nice
[12:55:53] <_methods> includes a bunch of diff deburr tools
[12:56:00] <_methods> it's expensive but worth it
[12:56:46] <zeeshan> im gonna just grab the e set
[12:56:48] <zeeshan> and some b blades
[12:56:57] <zeeshan> the eset is on sale for like 10 bux
[12:57:04] <zeeshan> comes with e100 e200 e300
[12:57:10] <zeeshan> for brittle, soft, and inside corners
[12:57:16] <_methods> http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=891-5273&cm_mmc=SEM-_-GGL-_-PLA-_-NA&003=18299132&010=891-5273&gclid=CKbo25fXssUCFUo7gQodxn4Aew
[12:58:57] <_methods> the little pencil ones are nice too
[12:59:23] <_methods> http://www.amazon.com/SHAVIV-151-29134-Glo-Burr-Series-Deburring/dp/B003JY7LBU
[12:59:29] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Mango-II-Set-E-Heavy-DeBurr-w-E100-E200-E300-Blades-Shaviv-Part-90065-/311212511288?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4875b61038
[12:59:30] <zeeshan> this thing
[13:00:08] <zeeshan> i was talkin to a cnc machinist
[13:00:17] <zeeshan> he uses regular er32 collets to hold his taps?
[13:00:28] <zeeshan> not even the er 32 rigid collets with the square thing built in
[13:00:29] <_methods> you can but..........
[13:00:41] <_methods> good way to bust a tap
[13:00:46] <_methods> but you can get away with it
[13:00:54] <zeeshan> bust it how?
[13:00:55] <PetefromTn_> we did it all the time
[13:01:09] <_methods> if it slips in the collet as you retract or drive
[13:01:11] <_methods> it will break
[13:01:29] <zeeshan> a regular collet is like $10, a square rigid collet thing is $20, a floating collet is $50
[13:01:31] <zeeshan> =/
[13:01:55] <_methods> er32 spring tap collets
[13:02:25] <norias> aren't there er32 collets...
[13:02:30] <norias> with the square in the back
[13:02:33] <norias> to drive taps?
[13:02:34] <_methods> yeah that make tapping ones
[13:02:36] <_methods> with the square
[13:02:41] <_methods> s/that/they
[13:02:53] <zeeshan> norias:
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v2/494687016/ER32_Tap_Collet.jpg
[13:03:04] <norias> yeah, that's what i thought
[13:03:09] <zeeshan> http://www.ctctools.biz/er32-tapping-collet-with-torque-limiter-l152/
[13:03:14] <zeeshan> hmm these arent too badly priced..
[13:03:44] <norias> seems to me i've done it a bunch
[13:03:55] <norias> if we broke taps it was because we had programmed something wrong
[13:04:02] <norias> or simply using the wrong tap
[13:04:07] <zeeshan> hehe
[13:04:12] <_methods> i've had taps slip in not tap spring collets
[13:04:20] <zeeshan> how big a tap tho?
[13:04:21] <norias> i.e. using wrong tap design / coating
[13:04:24] <zeeshan> im lookin at < 3/8 unc
[13:04:26] <_methods> every size
[13:04:28] <zeeshan> maybe unf
[13:04:43] <norias> i mean, if you're going to buy collets
[13:04:50] <norias> why not buy the ones that drive taps?
[13:04:57] <zeeshan> $$$
[13:04:59] <zeeshan> but for 20 bux
[13:05:01] <zeeshan> its doable
[13:05:12] <_methods> they pay for themselves pretty quickly
[13:05:13] <norias> you don't need them for every size
[13:05:19] <_methods> a broken tap is money down the drain
[13:05:26] <norias> just the sizes that are for taps
[13:05:41] <norias> i mean, 20 bucks for a collet is pretty good
[13:05:48] <norias> how long do they last?
[13:05:52] <JT-Shop> I just use regular collets to rigid tap
[13:05:57] <norias> how many parts will you get out of it?
[13:06:00] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: whats the largest size?
[13:06:03] <zeeshan> youve used
[13:06:11] <norias> i've done 1/2-13
[13:06:23] <norias> without the tap type
[13:06:42] <norias> after 1/2-13 we just thread mill
[13:06:50] <zeeshan> that makes sense
[13:07:01] <norias> big taps and drills cost money in inventory
[13:07:11] <norias> sit around forever because they only occasionaly got used
[13:07:18] <JT-Shop> 3/4 10
[13:07:23] <norias> thread milling took more time to do / program
[13:07:26] <zeeshan> ha okay, so regular collets it is :)
[13:07:29] <norias> but it was occasional
[13:07:39] <norias> i mean, if you try it and it doesn't work
[13:07:45] <norias> eh, get the right collet
[13:07:50] <JT-Shop> the tap has to be in good shape...
[13:08:30] <JT-Shop> I look at them with the microscope before use and 99% of the time use ElectraLube taps
[13:09:00] <zeeshan> i have spiral flute taps id like to start using
[13:09:08] <zeeshan> but been afraid to ruin a part by rigid tapping :P
[13:09:34] <PetefromTn_> nothing sux more than a frackin' snapped tap
[13:09:36] <JT-Shop> spiral flute for blind holes only
[13:10:09] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i snapped one by hand happing in an expensive chunk of bronze :(
[13:10:24] <zeeshan> i ended up drilling it with carbide with success!
[13:10:34] <zeeshan> but even with that, it took forever
[13:10:38] <JT-Shop> yuck tapping bronze
[13:11:00] <_methods> which goes back to the point of $10 extra for a tap collet..........
[13:11:15] <_methods> what's your time/scrapped part worth
[13:11:20] <zeeshan> that had nothing to do w/ it though
[13:11:30] <zeeshan> i angled the 1/4" tap too much
[13:11:33] <zeeshan> my fault
[13:11:37] <_methods> i'm sure
[13:11:48] <zeeshan> cause the next 20 holes went fine :P
[13:11:49] <PetefromTn_> just did that myself in a piece of stainless steel
[13:12:01] <PetefromTn_> took me two hours to machine the damn thing thru
[13:12:05] <zeeshan> haha
[13:12:19] <PetefromTn_> smoked a maritool 1/8 inch carbide but I got the sucker out
[13:12:22] <PetefromTn_> saved my bacon
[13:13:00] <PetefromTn_> good taps are worth EVERY THIN PENNY!
[13:13:14] <_methods> yep
[13:13:19] <_methods> i only use osg
[13:14:07] <JT-Shop> OSG here too
[13:14:20] <JT-Shop> they have an awesome tap selector
[13:14:24] <_methods> yeah
[13:14:43] <_methods> i'd rather spend a few extra $$ and know i'm good to go
[13:14:47] <archivist> local EDM shop is worth some folding cash now and again
[13:14:54] <JT-Shop> yea, saves a ton of time
[13:14:59] <_methods> amne
[13:15:09] <_methods> tap disentigrator baby
[13:16:00] <archivist> I got moaned at last time, you didnt say it was that deep!
[13:16:00] <_methods> been trying to get one for our shop for awhile now or a cheap sinker
[13:16:59] <ssi> hrm
[13:20:05] <fogl> is it possible to call/use functionality from one hal .ko module in a another hal .ko module. I would like to load wire pins of two comp modules within the code instead of within the hal setup. Is this possible to do, how?
[13:21:16] <cradek> that's not typically how hal works, and if you could make it happen, it would violate your users' expectations.
[13:21:43] <cradek> it sounds like maybe they shouldn't be separate components if they are that intimate with one another
[13:22:51] <witnit> is there any issues direct driving loads with brush dc servos at 0.13 rpm?
[13:23:17] <fogl> what i am actually trying to do is try to use the RTnet-RTcfg.ko from one hal module instead from commandline.
[13:24:21] <fogl> Is it possible to somehow control one .ko module from hal module.
[13:25:41] <archivist> witnit, add a flywheel maybe
[13:34:36] <witnit> Should maybe I buy very high resolution encoder?
[13:34:52] <witnit> positioning is less important than anything else
[13:34:58] <witnit> just smoothness
[13:39:14] <archivist> depends, do you want a wide speed range, responsive acceleration, or smooth low speed
[13:40:20] <archivist> I can imagine a high res encoder would help
[13:49:22] <witnit> yes smooth slow is all thats needed. very slow single motion pause for 2 min and return same speed
[13:50:05] <witnit> i suppose just a high resolution and rather large motor to handle that stalling type torque
[13:50:41] <archivist> and a driver to handle the stall current
[13:51:04] <witnit> yes, just an oversize amp for the motor should be okay
[13:56:35] <PCW> .13 RPM is ~ 1/500 turn per second so getting a good velocity signal for feedback depends on a high res encoder
[13:58:31] <PCW> how high depends on how smooth it needs to be (how much angular position jitter is tolerable)
[13:58:58] <archivist> is the mechanical load steady or not
[14:02:34] <PCW> high smoothness with high acceleration is hard to get
[14:07:41] <archivist> I can imagine the commutation varying the loop somewhat
[14:22:31] <PCW> The PID can take care of that if it has good enough velocity data
[14:22:33] <PCW> (encoders on high end machine tools have gone from 10000 counts/turn in the 80s to 1M counts in the 90s, current Fanuc high end drives use 32M count/turn encoders)
[14:23:52] <archivist> and fast enough fpgas to match :)
[14:23:56] <PCW> not so much for position resolution but for velocity feedback
[14:24:56] <PCW> basically all high res encoders are serial so interface is nothing special
[14:26:01] <SpeedEvil> I keep wondering about optical interferometric encoders.
[14:26:36] <archivist> me too
[14:26:49] <SpeedEvil> Forget all this nonsense about 'scales'
[14:26:56] <archivist> I got an educational inteferometer
[14:27:23] <PetefromTn_> I'm kind of an interferer....;)
[14:27:24] <archivist> tried it with a laser level
[14:48:01] <JT-Shop> ouch the canopy for the Kubota is $450... don't think a new one is in my future
[14:48:25] <_methods> machine one lol
[14:51:37] <_methods> how much do you normally have to derate vfd for single phase?
[14:54:53] <JT-Shop> smaller ones usually take single phase up to rated hp
[14:55:04] <_methods> 5hp?
[14:55:15] <JT-Shop> 3hp is usually the limit
[14:55:23] <_methods> yeah
[14:55:33] <JT-Shop> what are you running with it?
[14:55:42] <_methods> i got a vfd that is "supposed" to be rated to 5hp
[14:55:44] <_methods> table saw
[14:56:05] <_methods> but i'm about to get another lathe i think
[14:56:22] <_methods> so was going to pick up a vfd for that but i don't know what hp it is yet
[14:56:52] <JT-Shop> a manual lathe?
[14:57:58] <_methods> yeah
[14:58:32] <JT-Shop> why not have a RPC?
[14:58:39] <_methods> well i could do that too
[14:58:48] <JT-Shop> simple to make
[14:58:59] <_methods> i have an old 10hp 3phase motor sittin around
[14:59:12] <_methods> got it off craigslist for $50 lol
[14:59:29] <JT-Shop> there you go
[14:59:37] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/rpc/rpc.xhtml
[14:59:54] <_methods> ah nice
[14:59:55] <_methods> thx
[15:00:13] <JT-Shop> I have a 20hp that runs my shop, self starting is nice
[15:03:06] <_methods> what potential relay did you go with?
[15:04:34] <JT-Shop> Mars II 169, pick up 180-193 drop out 105
[15:04:35] <PetefromTn_> ssi ya there man?
[15:04:50] <JT-Shop> #19169
[15:05:40] <_methods> alrighty then
[15:05:42] <JT-Shop> I used Packard contactor from electrical supply house
[15:05:49] <JT-Shop> they are cheap
[15:05:57] <_methods> yeah not bad
[15:06:53] <_methods> a lot cheaper than a vfd lol
[15:07:15] <JT-Shop> my RPC is named Linus
[15:07:23] <_methods> does it give you the bird
[15:09:09] <JT-Shop> no he just sucks his thumb... Linus van Pelt
[15:09:36] <_methods> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://vang.blob.core.windows.net/images/2013/03/26/linus-torvalds-220612.jpg
[15:09:40] <_methods> hehe
[15:09:44] <_methods> oops
[15:09:54] <_methods> http://vang.blob.core.windows.net/images/2013/03/26/linus-torvalds-220612.jpg
[15:10:54] <_methods> damn i had no idea linus had a last name
[15:12:00] <furrywolf> it would seem this laptop has an overheating issue. bleh.
[15:12:16] <furrywolf> today is the hottest day so far this year... came home to find my laptop dead and smelling _hot_.
[15:12:39] <furrywolf> turned it off and let it cool for a bit. now I have the a/c on, which should help the way-too-hot issue.
[15:13:17] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, Kubota canopy = blue tarp from walmart for $5
[15:13:54] <Tom_itx> just mowed before the floods come
[15:14:12] <furrywolf> (where "the a/c" is an old window unit stuck in front of a window that it doesn't fit in, because you don't need real a/c here.)
[15:15:11] <FinboySlick> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_JtyJk4lTI :)
[15:16:46] <PetefromTn_> http://abcnews.go.com/US/people-aboard-plane-crashed-atlanta-highway/story?id=30901882
[15:17:04] <furrywolf> ah good. batteries still floating at 28.6 even with the a/c on.
[15:17:42] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, it's a plastic top
http://www.covermytractor.com/Kubota-B7500-Tractor-Canopy-and-Tractor-Sunshade-s/4559.htm
[15:18:11] <JT-Shop> except the sides got ripped off and I cut the top down to the frame and now it is useless
[15:18:50] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: plane crashes are bad
[15:19:02] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, well in that case a kiddy pool flipped over :)
[15:19:18] <JT-Shop> now your close, we were thinking a small car hood
[15:19:58] <PetefromTn_> no shit
[15:20:08] <PetefromTn_> just hoping it is not SSI
[15:20:13] <PetefromTn_> he is in that arae
[15:20:17] <Tom_itx> pimp my ride...
[15:20:18] <PetefromTn_> area
[15:20:41] <furrywolf> the faa should work harder to push ballastic parachutes for small planes
[15:21:05] <Tom_itx> they can generally glide quite a ways
[15:22:29] <furrywolf> quite a ways being about 12:1 of their height, to pick a random number. this means that on takeoff, not quite a ways.
[15:23:08] <_methods> nah ssi was just talkin about the crash
[15:23:19] <Tom_itx> well that's what happened to the one that took out the flight simulator building here recently
[15:23:48] <Tom_itx> engine stalled and it knive edged on it's side into it
[15:24:38] <Tom_itx> http://www.kansas.com/news/business/aviation/article3561289.html
[15:24:57] <Tom_itx> ironic it took out the flight safety building
[15:25:29] <furrywolf> we had a pilot killed here last year... engine failure (reasons still being investigated), tried ditching in a river, hit trees next to the river first, didn't make it.
[15:26:26] <furrywolf> for ironic deaths, a local business here had an osha crane inspector electrocute himself driving the manlift he was inspecting into power lines.
[15:26:50] <furrywolf> his job, of course, including telling people how not to do that.
[15:27:57] <furrywolf> if he'd caught an employee operating the manlift that close to powerlines, he'd probably have written them up for safety violations...
[16:09:47] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: Well, at least the eulogy would be in the form of an easily available form.
[16:23:48] <Deejay> gn8
[16:28:43] <Computer_barf> so im wondering how endstops are typically protected from flood coolent
[16:29:00] <Computer_barf> placed under the bed?
[16:30:15] <furrywolf> yay, pile of firewood cleaned up, area mowed... it is way too fucking hot to do anything else outside. now it's time for inside projects until 10pm or so.
[16:31:52] <MrSunshine> hot .. if it only was that
[16:31:54] <furrywolf> also, I've learned my cheapo window a/c ices up if you leave it on "low" too long. yay proper engineering... not.
[16:32:08] <MrSunshine> here its like 9 degrees C at its highest peak atm on the day ... blowing from north
[16:32:15] <MrSunshine> feeling like a real viking when im outside :P
[16:32:16] <zeeshan> its like 30C here
[16:32:16] <zeeshan> so nice
[16:32:25] <furrywolf> 30C is way too hot
[16:32:26] <MrSunshine> looks like its fall outside still =)
[16:32:29] <MrSunshine> yeah thats too hot
[16:32:35] <MrSunshine> 18 or so is nice =)
[16:32:45] <furrywolf> it's like 20C here. too hot!
[16:32:56] <zeeshan> lol i used to lkive in the middle east
[16:32:58] <furrywolf> (65-70F... for this area that's a heat wave)
[16:33:00] <zeeshan> it used to hit 50 C sometimes
[16:33:22] <MrSunshine> ough
[16:33:27] <zeeshan> http://www.worldweatheronline.com/Doha-weather-averages/Ad-Dawhah/QA.aspx
[16:33:31] <zeeshan> thats where i lived :D
[16:34:04] <zeeshan> thats the type of heat where you just start breathing fast asap you feel it
[16:34:04] * furrywolf wouldn't live a place it got that hot
[16:36:20] <furrywolf> http://www.worldweatheronline.com/Kneeland-weather-averages/California/US.aspx nearest place with a name
[16:36:20] <furrywolf> (and a weather station)
[16:37:29] <zeeshan> wtf
[16:37:31] <zeeshan> its freezing there
[16:37:53] <furrywolf> note the scale on the rainfall graph is a factor of 10 different than the one you pasted. lol
[16:38:16] <furrywolf> yes, we average >20 days of rain a month in the winter.
[16:38:59] <furrywolf> hrmm, that's just showing the eureka weather, not kneeland specifically. here is the same temps but more rain. (upslope)
[16:39:38] <gene78> got a bug in 2.8.0pre1-602
[16:40:07] <furrywolf> zeeshan: no it's not freezing! note the average winter low is 4C. this is above freezing.
[16:40:22] <zeeshan> figuratively
[16:40:24] <zeeshan> :)
[16:40:30] <gene78> spindle override does nothing when the program set it and started it, so I can't slow it down
[16:42:16] <furrywolf> you'll want to report that at
http://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/
[16:42:37] <furrywolf> I don't think any devs are here to see it.
[16:45:36] <renesis> pinnacle of engineering
http://www.gfycat.com/LoneVictoriousBrownbutterfly
[16:49:01] <furrywolf> ... ok?
[16:49:32] <XXCoder1> nice
[16:49:43] <XXCoder1> parts ejectors to lose weight and go faster lol
[16:53:49] <witnit> thanks pcw, literally the only job is to move a set of hoses with freon in them 70 degrees and pause two min and go back to home at a rate of .13 rpm. load is constant load is slow. however, the hoses will drop to tempurature of -40degree, during this time. I wanted servo and encoder to ensure it is constant yet managable
[16:54:59] <furrywolf> what're you building?
[16:55:07] <witnit> test chamber for hoses
[16:55:37] <furrywolf> ah
[16:55:55] <furrywolf> I was trying to figure out what interesting mechanical device depends on changing the orientation of some cooling apparatus...
[16:58:47] <zeeshan> witnit
[16:58:48] <zeeshan> lol
[16:58:51] <zeeshan> sounds similar to what im doin
[16:59:02] <zeeshan> damn temperature controlled environments :[
[17:00:13] <witnit> oh? do tell :)
[17:00:49] <zeeshan> im doing biaxial tensile testing of a film in a temp controlled enviroment
[17:00:54] <zeeshan> and also pressure control
[17:01:02] <witnit> film?
[17:01:06] <zeeshan> yea
[17:01:20] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/zJRzJ8I.jpg
[17:01:26] <zeeshan> basically that in a chamber
[17:01:33] <zeeshan> needs to go between -10 to 260C
[17:04:19] <witnit> all i see is some... texture
[17:04:28] <witnit> how thin is this "film"
[17:05:32] <zeeshan> 8 thou
[17:05:55] <zeeshan> i should take more pictures
[17:06:11] <zeeshan> showing the process :[
[17:06:22] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/azSTtTa.png
[17:06:27] <zeeshan> thats the apparatus im working on
[17:06:31] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ronLyGG.png
[17:06:31] <witnit> do you have to pressurize it from one direction?
[17:06:34] <zeeshan> yes
[17:07:59] <witnit> what is the outside diameter of the cooling tank?
[17:08:05] <witnit> that is what im looking right?
[17:08:07] <witnit> jajajaja
[17:08:09] <zeeshan> haha
[17:08:18] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/N1whRmt.png
[17:08:21] <zeeshan> you can see it better here
[17:08:24] <zeeshan> theres a heating block
[17:08:27] <zeeshan> and a cooling block
[17:08:45] <witnit> ahh got it now
[17:08:45] <zeeshan> (where a heat transfer fluid is stored at -20C) circulates through it
[17:09:01] <zeeshan> im hoping by switching the heating elements on and off
[17:09:10] <zeeshan> and coolant solenoid on and off.. i can regulate temp
[17:10:06] <zeeshan> how is your device working?
[17:10:11] <witnit> did you use your boring head and make big orings to hold the material or do you just sandwich the stuff?
[17:11:06] <zeeshan> i dont have a lock bead -- i did some testing and i saw that the material doesnt slip
[17:11:11] <zeeshan> wedging it is good enough
[17:11:24] <furrywolf> bbl, off to harbor freight... need gloves.
[17:11:32] <witnit> i dont know, im just putting together some components for this guy to put on until he can do it all with plc, he apparently got really busy and needs some testing done and filler parts
[17:12:34] <furrywolf> while you're testing a/c hoses, want to make a pair for my subaru? :P
[17:12:54] <witnit> I think they only sell them in lots of 100,000
[17:12:56] <witnit> :P
[17:13:21] * furrywolf needs a custom one-of-a-kind set of hoses. :P
[17:13:29] <zeeshan> ah its a test setup for testing ac hoses
[17:14:05] <witnit> my only concern zeeshan was due to tempurate changes and warping it may pinch unevenly
[17:15:24] <furrywolf> I put in a different engine, and neither the compressor that fits the engine nor the car body plumbing have standard fittings...
[17:15:47] <witnit> typical
[17:16:02] <zeeshan> i just weld some fittings up using the stock flanges :P
[17:16:30] <furrywolf> maybe you have a tig welder. I do not. :P
[17:16:41] <witnit> you should build a little cnc and make conversion fittings for every part you need
[17:16:56] <furrywolf> I have a little cnc. it needs more work, however.
[17:17:04] <witnit> oh yes i recall
[17:17:17] <witnit> you had maybe a bent leadscrew in shipping
[17:18:12] <furrywolf> I did the power steering with adapter fittings and standard JIC ends.
[17:18:29] <furrywolf> fixed the leadscrew... oxytorch and hammer.
[17:19:13] <zeeshan> https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_B3BtH3gPoLtJp4ZpIFSzvK6f2r2qqXBbYgiS-IMA-NtTOdASuwY8Wg
[17:19:14] <zeeshan> those?
[17:19:18] <zeeshan> luckily they are pretty standard :D
[17:19:22] <zeeshan> and you can buy em eeasily
[17:19:46] <furrywolf> no, not those. that's bump flare, mine were metric inverted flare.
[17:20:01] <furrywolf> those are standard. the ones I needed were ebay from a specialty shop that turned their own fittings. heh.
[17:20:11] <zeeshan> http://www.detroitspeed.com/images/090202-001-lg.jpg
[17:20:35] <zeeshan> earls, russel performance, and also xrp performance have em
[17:20:35] <furrywolf> that's another of the o-ring varieties. I have no o-rings. :P
[17:21:37] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-x-14-1-5mm-Inverted-Flare-AN-fitting-Metric-6-x-M14-1-5-/271464679726
[17:22:00] <furrywolf> note the commonly-available aluminum ones that have the same thread will NOT work - they're o-ring face seal, not inverted flare.
[17:22:12] <zeeshan> ah okay
[17:23:09] <furrywolf> "These parts were made in house at Sweet Performance. " is how you get the rare weird fitting. :P
[17:23:54] <furrywolf> early '80s subaru and nissan were the only thing that used them, from what I could find googling.
[17:24:17] <XXCoder1> yank it
[17:24:32] <XXCoder1> or make that weirdass fitting to more standard one adoptor
[17:24:49] <furrywolf> XXCoder1: I bought
http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-x-14-1-5mm-Inverted-Flare-AN-fitting-Metric-6-x-M14-1-5-/271464679726 (and two others)
[17:25:43] <XXCoder1> cool
[17:30:49] <furrywolf> I hate inkjets. trying to print a harbor freight coupon... out of ink and/or clogged.
[17:31:04] <XXCoder1> inkjets heh I never owned one and never will
[17:31:08] <XXCoder1> lasers all way
[17:31:33] <renesis> if you dont use them constantly they fuckup
[17:31:42] <XXCoder1> yeah
[17:32:01] <renesis> my laser has feed issues because 12 years old, but print quality is still fucking awesome
[17:32:18] <XXCoder1> mine died due to design flaw :(
[17:32:25] <renesis> =(
[17:32:28] <XXCoder1> but it saved me enough money to buy 2 of it
[17:32:32] <XXCoder1> \compared to inkjet
[17:32:42] <XXCoder1> so it was worth it
[17:32:54] <renesis> yeah toner carts are maybe $20, and last hundreds of pages at least
[17:33:12] <XXCoder1> mine was small business (larger than home ones)
[17:33:19] <XXCoder1> so cardiages was $100 for black
[17:33:26] <witnit> pssst buy lasers
[17:33:27] <XXCoder1> but it lasted thousands of faces
[17:33:41] <furrywolf> I print very little color.
[17:33:43] <witnit> i use a black only laser printer
[17:34:08] <furrywolf> the coupons are, of course, things like red on yellow, that you have to print in color.
[17:34:12] <XXCoder1> mine was color. seperate cardiages so color ones was still orginal when it died lol
[17:34:18] <witnit> payed for it self on the first toner cartridge
[17:35:06] <witnit> its printed tens of thousands of pages
[17:36:11] <witnit> not the cartridge... the printer hahaah
[17:36:17] <XXCoder1> heh
[17:36:30] <XXCoder1> I was thinking gallon sized cardiages lol
[17:37:02] <witnit> its still works, i took it to the shop for the guys to use and bought another one just like it
[17:37:10] <furrywolf> grrr, I can't find the special long 90 I had to buy to make the hoses route.
[17:37:19] <furrywolf> it's a standard part, just can't find the part number again.
[17:41:30] <furrywolf> http://hosewarehouse.com/190260-16S-SAE-JIC-37-Deg-Swivel-90-Degree-Long-Fitting-100R5-Reusable
[17:41:42] <furrywolf> note it's long on the jic end, not the hose end.
[17:47:22] <furrywolf> bbl
[18:57:11] <zeeshan> TGIF
[18:57:12] <zeeshan> TGIF
[18:57:12] <zeeshan> TGIF
[18:57:18] * zeeshan apologizes for the flood
[19:24:35] <furrywolf> I just tested out my new senco duraspin. it's a really, really cool tool. it makes you giggle like a really fast racecar or something.
[19:25:09] <furrywolf> it's like a nailgun, but for screws. except you can just hold the trigger down and aim it. screws appear.
[19:26:40] <CaptHindsight> sounds screwy :)
[19:28:25] <furrywolf> it drives screws at 4000rpm, and the motor stays running all the time, so there's no delay for it to spin up. you just poke things and screws appear.
[19:36:24] <Tom_itx> clutch driven?
[19:38:32] <furrywolf> yep
[19:38:49] <furrywolf> feeds strips of 50 screws
[19:40:43] <furrywolf> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00005JRLW?tag=shoppingstoresco-20 is the one I have
[19:47:36] <Tom_itx> looks like it should just be an attachment for a standard drill
[19:48:15] <_methods> the centurion lol
[19:48:30] <_methods> the mohawk
[19:48:51] <furrywolf> standard drills don't run at 4000 rpm and have clutches. but, yes, it's an attachment for a standard drywall screwgun.
[19:55:29] <norias> ahh, yes
[19:55:38] <norias> the differences between screwguns and drills
[19:56:13] <norias> whoa, shit
[19:56:33] <norias> that thing is great
[20:01:13] <furrywolf> on the topic of ballastic parachutes, caps claims some impressive statistics... not a single fatality in 54 activations within the rated airspeed and altitude. for comparrison, 27 survivors and 210 dead in accidents where the parachute was not deployed.
[20:12:36] <Tom_itx> PCW on the 7i47S isolated outputs, do i need to use both + & - outputs or just use one or the other depending on the ouput requirements?
[20:12:52] <furrywolf> that's an impressive number, to me at least... reliably landing a damaged or crippled plane without a single fatality. some of the planes were destroyed in-air, such as from collisions with other planes.
[20:13:38] <furrywolf> also, it's sad how many accidents are caused by non-instrument pilots in imc, and fuel starvation. plan your flights better, people! lol
[20:14:39] <PCW> you need to use both (they are OPTO isolator outputs so there's no common to anything else)
[20:15:30] <Tom_itx> go GND the - side and use it as a pulldown output?
[20:15:37] <Tom_itx> so*
[20:15:40] <PCW> so they are polarized switches
[20:16:25] <Tom_itx> if i need a + output how would i configure them?
[20:16:30] <PCW> sure or tie + to +24V so drive a 24V drive enable
[20:16:46] <Tom_itx> drive it from the - ouput then?
[20:16:51] <Tom_itx> the device
[20:17:05] <PCW> Yeah + to + power output is -
[20:17:29] <PCW> (to drive a grounded load)
[20:17:44] <Tom_itx> i need to see which way i'm driving them currently..
[20:18:25] <Tom_itx> so if i'm driving a 5v relay, just tie the + to 5v and use the - output to the relay?
[20:19:14] <Tom_itx> and GND the open leg of the relay...
[20:21:56] <Tom_itx> currently the inhibit line is inverted on a standard IO pin
[20:22:14] <Tom_itx> i assume that would be an active low
[20:24:09] <Tom_itx> also looks like the direction pin is inverted
[20:26:44] <Crom> re all
[20:26:56] <furrywolf> heyas
[20:27:19] <Crom> doing battle with a Melzi V2 reprap board today
[20:35:14] <PCW> They are TLP127 OPTOS so pretty tough but a relay needs a
[20:35:16] <PCW> flyback diode and 5V may be iffy because its a Darlington OPTO and
[20:35:17] <PCW> drops about a volt (though it will drive a 120V DC relay )
[20:35:50] <PCW> (300V VCEO)
[20:35:56] <furrywolf> PCW: I had to fix a wonderful design with a relay and an opto... sec, I know I have the image uploaded somewhere...
[20:35:59] <Tom_itx> PCW, also i'm currently using 1.4khz pwm with a 11000 scale using the cnc4pc board. the 7I47S recomends a 5khz signal. should i start with what i have or start with the 5Khz and work the scale from there?
[20:36:13] <Tom_itx> so it won't work so well at 5v?
[20:36:27] <Tom_itx> i think it's driving a logic circuit on these relays
[20:36:39] <Tom_itx> it's some of those cheap chinese things made for arduino etc
[20:36:39] <furrywolf> PCW:
http://fw.bushytails.net/miller01.png
[20:36:42] <PCW> well you will only get about 4V out
[20:37:03] <Tom_itx> if i think what i think is right, that should be ok
[20:37:18] <PCW> WTF
[20:37:24] <Tom_itx> hah
[20:38:14] <furrywolf> they ground the entire circuit, including a non-tiny relay, through the led in the opto. want to guess what part was burnt out? lol
[20:39:09] <PCW> look like it from bizzaro-electronics land
[20:39:40] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/miller01-combined.jpg the pcb looks even worse
[20:39:48] <norias> bizzaro-electronics land
[20:39:48] <norias> hah
[20:40:00] <norias> hey PCW
[20:40:06] <norias> do you do any side work?
[20:40:08] <furrywolf> my schematic layout was to match the pcb to make tracing easier
[20:40:22] <norias> advise folks on sourcing or electronics design?
[20:41:21] <PCW> Tom_itx: 1400 hz should be fine if a bit ripply
[20:43:01] <Tom_itx> PCW should i start with 5Khz pwm or the 1.4khz i'm currently using on the cnc4pc board?
[20:43:09] <Tom_itx> aarg
[20:43:16] <Tom_itx> scrollback got me
[20:43:31] <Tom_itx> i'd rather bump it up if i can...
[20:43:53] <Tom_itx> but to get the range i needed for the spindle speed i had to go with that on their board
[20:44:14] <Tom_itx> i'm eliminating that board now
[20:45:36] <PCW> (a percent or so)
[20:50:00] <Tom_itx> apparently DK or mouse don't carry those parts
[20:50:43] <Tom_itx> are those toshiba optos?
[20:51:05] <Tom_itx> making sure i'm looking at the right data sheet
[20:56:26] <Tom_itx> PCW the jumpers on the 7i47 & 7i47S are all the same right?
[20:56:54] <PCW> a bit too busy ATM to do any outside work
[20:57:52] <Tom_itx> just those 4 io are all that's different?
[20:58:05] <PCW> 5 KHz is about the best in terms of linearity VS ripple
[20:58:32] <Tom_itx> i'll start with that then and see if i can get the output range i need
[20:58:43] <Tom_itx> in relation to the command speed
[21:00:45] <PCW> bbl dinner
[21:07:59] <RyanS> woohoo, we're installing 80amps (240v) in the shed/workshop
[21:08:48] <RyanS> time to play with big motors etc
[21:08:52] <furrywolf> I wish I had a shed and workshop.
[21:09:41] <RyanS> sadly i cant fit a big machine
[21:11:41] <RyanS> its technically dads shed but im doing a slow motion takeover of it
[21:11:58] <renesis> nice
[21:12:17] <RyanS> im nearly there
[21:12:33] <renesis> change the locks!
[21:13:54] <RyanS> he doesn't mind coz he can tell his mates about the goodies in the shed
[21:15:32] <RyanS> im salivating over 19kW of powah
[21:37:45] * furrywolf has 3.5kW of power
[21:39:00] <RyanS> we have 2.4 now
[21:41:29] <furrywolf> total.
[21:42:45] <RyanS> does furrywolf live in a caravan?
[21:43:32] <furrywolf> furrywolf has an off-grid solar system
[21:43:53] <RyanS> ooo
[21:43:56] <furrywolf> with a
http://www.outbackpower.com/outback-products/inverters-chargers/item/vented-gvfx3524
[21:46:09] <RyanS> apparently you're not even allowed to go off-grid in australia.... at least suburbs
[21:47:29] <furrywolf> eh? there's tons of off-grid solar in au...
[21:48:05] <RyanS> maybe that's rural ?
[21:50:19] <furrywolf> do you have a reference for this not being allowed to go off-grid? because google isn't finding one for me.
[21:51:01] <RyanS> idk its just something i heard
[21:51:52] <RyanS> but you are connected? "grid-interactive system"
[21:52:08] <Jymmm> http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/03/09/florida-makes-off-grid-living-illegal-mandates-all-homes-must-be-connected-to-an-electricity-grid/
[21:52:23] <furrywolf> closest I've found googling is a florida woman getting her house code-enforcement-tagged for going off-grid. such a thing seems far more likely in the US than AU....
[21:52:42] <furrywolf> RyanS: I said off-grid. lol
[21:53:25] <Jymmm> http://michiganradio.org/post/living-grid-can-be-illegal
[21:53:38] <RyanS> but your inverter is " grid-interactie"
[21:53:47] <RyanS> grid-interactive
[21:55:17] <furrywolf> yes, it can be grid-interactive. that doesn't require it to be. lol
[21:55:29] <furrywolf> if you connect it to a grid, it can be configured to sell to the grid.
[21:56:01] <furrywolf> Jymmm: again, that's the US. we all already know the US government is fucked up.
[21:57:11] <furrywolf> the grid-interactive bits have other useful purposes even when off-grid... for example, if you connect a generator to the input, it can do fancy load-sharing things. for example, my generator can only put out 3000W peak, something less continuous. so I set it to not draw more than 22A from the generator input.
[21:57:26] <furrywolf> if I run loads that draw more than 22A, it'll pull 22A from the generator, then pull the remainder from the batteries.
[21:57:52] <RyanS> coool
[21:58:20] <furrywolf> if I run loads that draw less than 22A, it'll still pull 22A, and charge the batteries with the difference.
[21:58:20] <furrywolf> (until they reach voltage/current setpoints, of course)
[22:00:49] <RyanS> i dont trust off grid as im ventilator dependent, only got 1 hour battery, of couse i do have a 12hour battery too
[22:00:52] <furrywolf> it also, I learned the other day, can do the rather interesting task of using power back-fed from the ac output to charge the batteries. if you connect a grid-tie inverter to the ac output, such as the microinverters found on the back of some solar panels, it's smart enough to recognize another inverter is feeding power back into it, and siphon the extra power off for the batteries, while still maintaining output regulation.
[22:02:45] <furrywolf> outback gives an example of this in a community mini power grid, with one central location for batteries, a big inverter bank there, AC mains distribution, then grid-tied solar, hydro, whatever attached to the grid, going back through the grid to the batteries.
[22:03:02] <furrywolf> I've yet to make use of this feature - I just find it cool. :P
[22:04:29] <RyanS> someone in Perth died in a blackout, i believe they didnt have alarms or backup.. very foolish
[22:06:05] * furrywolf knows very little about ventilators
[22:06:17] <norias> i would think a system like furrywolf's
[22:06:27] <norias> would be ideal for someone with a ventilator
[22:06:42] <furrywolf> norias: only if combined with grid
[22:06:46] <RyanS> If it stops, i die :)
[22:06:49] <norias> yeah
[22:06:54] <furrywolf> it is _not_ reliable during the winter weather here.
[22:07:00] <norias> my neighbor has something like that
[22:07:04] <norias> hence she has a generator
[22:07:17] <furrywolf> yes, I have a generator too. they suck. :P
[22:08:14] <RyanS> the power company has to send one in extended blackout
[22:09:20] <furrywolf> I'd figure you'd want your own if you depended on it...
[22:09:43] <norias> what does your run on, furrywolf?
[22:10:20] <furrywolf> I have a honda eu3000is that runs on gasoline, and a military surplus dc generator that's diesel.
[22:10:58] <norias> good deal
[22:11:09] <norias> i think i'd want one that runs on natural gas
[22:12:19] <furrywolf> the natural gas grid is substantially smaller than the power grid. if you have natural gas, you have power. lol
[22:12:47] <norias> i beg to differ
[22:13:00] <norias> i've definitely had gas when i didn't have power
[22:13:02] <furrywolf> oh? do you know of a location that has natural gas but not electricity?
[22:13:12] <norias> i.e. my gas is more reliable
[22:14:12] <furrywolf> I'm talking about off-grid. lol
[22:14:22] <norias> that's fair
[22:14:28] <norias> i'm saying what i'd want
[22:14:36] <norias> i don't want to be off-grid
[22:14:46] <furrywolf> natural gas backup generators are widely available. Costco, for example, carries them.
[22:14:50] <norias> yeah
[22:15:42] <furrywolf> I need to do something with my diesel generator... it's too loud to use. like ungodly loud. like you can't hear someone standing next to you and yelling anywhere within 100ft of it. and it has a large, non-rusted muffler already!
[22:16:10] <furrywolf> I've never ran it more than testing because of this.
[22:16:25] <RyanS> my support worker lives a little out of town and got 3 phase power set up for free. i said "i hate you"
[22:16:48] <norias> heh
[22:16:59] <furrywolf> so you're ventilator-dependent but mobile? that disagrees with what google says. lol
[22:18:18] <RyanS> i have one vent on my wheelchair 24v, batteries run all day
[22:19:04] <RyanS> one next to bed, AC, 1 hour backup
[22:19:42] * furrywolf has cut up several power wheelchairs, but none have had ventilators
[22:20:01] <furrywolf> power wheelchair motors are extraordinarily useful. :)
[22:20:11] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: egg carton foam surround
[22:20:25] <RyanS> no, it just has a bracket
[22:20:36] <RyanS> for vent
[22:21:17] <furrywolf> XXCoder1: it needs more than that. to build a box, you have to plumb in fresh air, plumb out exhaust, and plumb out hot air.
[22:21:47] <XXCoder1> yeah I was thinking just enough to stop sound from going to places you dont wanna it to go
[22:21:51] <RyanS> hmpff, im inside alone right now... really wise people
[22:21:52] <XXCoder1> dont need to be completely sealed
[22:22:03] <XXCoder1> but same time may not be possible dunno
[22:22:09] <furrywolf> RyanS: ?
[22:23:17] <RyanS> yeh theyre mowing lawns, so cant hear alarm
[22:30:51] <RyanS> i survive, yeah cant you soundproof diesel gen ?
[22:31:16] <XXCoder1> she got booted
[22:31:40] <XXCoder1> she always get all kinds of weird irc boots
[22:31:51] <XXCoder1> man does her isp suckl
[22:32:18] <RyanS> ah
[22:34:56] <XXCoder1> wb
[22:35:18] <furrywolf> grrr, stupid fucking internet connection.
[22:35:19] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> I take it you can't switch ventilators/batteries/etc on your own, then?
[22:35:43] <XXCoder1> nailed it
[22:36:06] <RyanS> nope
[22:36:56] <RyanS> so independant living isn't viable
[22:37:28] <XXCoder1> solar batteries, bigass batteries
[22:38:26] <RyanS> but i have a guy to operate my lathe, drill etc 10 hours a week
[22:38:44] <RyanS> i do design
[22:40:51] <RyanS> and "ummm you left the hex key there, no higher, left, There!" :-)
[22:49:35] <norias> this whole generator thing
[22:49:49] <norias> has lead me to thinking about playing with converting engines to propane
[22:49:52] <norias> or natural gas
[22:49:55] <norias> which lead to
[22:50:01] <norias> i wonder if i can make decent money
[22:50:05] <norias> on small engine repair
[22:53:36] <furrywolf> hate.
[22:54:07] <XXCoder1> think your isp runs on hate
[22:55:29] <norias> lol
[22:55:35] <norias> stop the hate!
[22:55:41] <norias> you are only giving them more power
[22:57:30] <furrywolf> I just tested the harbor freight add-on laser for circular saws... it seems to work decently well.
[22:58:48] <furrywolf> it replaces the other blade clamp, and spins with the blade.
[22:59:31] <furrywolf> s/other/outer
[23:01:54] <norias> huh
[23:02:05] <norias> that sounds fun
[23:03:42] <furrywolf> http://manuals.harborfreight.com/manuals/96000-96999/96401.pdf
[23:13:55] <furrywolf> it's a cute design, and unlike the ones built into many saws, actually lines up with the blade.
[23:14:18] <furrywolf> you know, the ones that are consistently half a fucking inch away from your cut? (yay dewalt!)
[23:15:50] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/grd/5016488326.html too cute!
[23:16:08] <norias> lol
[23:17:09] <furrywolf> actually, I take that back. I think it was a Craftsman I was using.
