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[00:22:10] <Crom> hmm
[00:23:33] <Crom> bandsaw
[00:24:11] <XXCoder1> yeah dont wanna break it
[00:24:15] <Crom> angle grinder
[00:24:16] <XXCoder1> dunno lol
[00:27:37] <XXCoder1> man wish I really am good electrican lol I bet I'd hve fun with tiny eink screens
[00:27:50] <XXCoder1> http://www.pervasivedisplays.com/products/panels
[00:45:32] <XXCoder1> LOL
[00:45:37] <XXCoder1> such a bad photoshop http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-7-Inch-PDF-eBook-Reader-MP3-MP4-Player-FM-eReader-4GB-2015-New/32284015366.html
[00:45:46] <XXCoder1> its umm supposed to be epaper display lol
[01:16:40] <Crom> the chip is a color display chip
[01:18:16] <XXCoder1> yeah?
[01:18:29] <XXCoder1> its umm supposed to be epaper display lol
[01:18:32] <XXCoder1> er
[01:18:40] <XXCoder1> sorry scrolled up by mistake
[01:18:52] <XXCoder1> anyway I was saying, I guess its regular led ereader then
[01:18:58] <XXCoder1> still bad photoshop though
[01:20:59] <Crom> true
[01:21:38] <Crom> man I need some new monitors.. running single headed SUXS!
[01:22:04] <XXCoder1> rocking with 2 here
[01:22:13] <XXCoder1> unfortunately dead standard type
[01:22:15] <XXCoder1> dvi
[01:22:28] <Crom> VGA here
[01:22:41] <XXCoder1> vga is still alive
[01:22:46] <XXCoder1> and older than dvi lol
[01:23:15] <Crom> I do have dvi just no hdmi, I take that back the blueray to the TV is hdmi
[01:24:26] <Crom> playing with 2 arduino's uno and a Mega
[01:25:33] <Crom> almost ready to get a raspberry pi or a beagle board
[02:05:03] <Crom> $53 for 1TB 2.5 sata3 drive http://aaawave.com/p-16187-western-digital-wd10ezex-wd-1tb-blue-sataiii-64mb-7200rpm-desktop-oem.aspx?gclid=CJvQgou6osUCFaVj7AoduXYALA
[02:05:27] <Crom> 7200 rpm
[02:06:24] <Crom> seagate 1TB for $50
[02:06:38] <XXCoder1> I gonna build new pc
[02:06:43] <XXCoder1> kickass one
[02:10:06] <Crom> 3TB 3.5" for 105
[02:11:50] <Crom> yeah 3TB are best bang for the buck right now..
[02:14:29] <XXCoder1> not bad
[02:14:45] <XXCoder1> unless planning 0+1 or 1+0 raid or 5
[02:14:57] <XXCoder1> then 4 1 tb drives cheap
[02:15:48] <Crom> 3tb == 2x 1tb drive, 4tb == 3x 1tb drive 5TB=4x 1tb, 6TB==4.7x 1tb
[02:16:30] <Crom> well $550 for 5 3TB drive for a 12TB raid drive... is tempting
[02:17:18] <XXCoder1> which raid type
[02:17:28] <Crom> 5
[02:18:20] <Crom> cap for 5 is n-1
[02:19:50] <Crom> 5 is nice... 6 is a bit better but it raises the price to $660
[02:20:14] <Crom> 5 can loose 1 drive and recover. 6 can lose 2
[02:20:17] <XXCoder1> heard 1+0 is strange version but has speed of raid 0 but with nice raid 1 backup
[02:20:52] <Crom> 5 is so much better
[02:21:18] <Crom> it's what I'm used to as well
[02:21:49] <XXCoder1> indeed
[02:21:55] <XXCoder1> my pc used to have raid 4
[02:21:57] <XXCoder1> er 5
[02:22:04] <Crom> but I'd get a raid 5 controller or MB with raid 5 with 7 sata's on the MB
[02:22:48] <Crom> 1 boot drive, 2 blueray, 3-7 raid
[02:28:22] <Deejay> moin
[02:29:57] <XXCoder1> yo
[02:32:27] <Crom> morning
[02:32:56] <Deejay> \o/
[05:08:20] <Crom> hmmm think I'm gonna try to convert my Weller TC201 iron into a temp controlled YiHua solder station
[05:08:59] <Crom> my temp control magnetic switch went out in my iron and it's cheaper to buy the YiHua parts
[05:11:58] <Crom> ahhh Chrome has memory leaks
[08:07:43] <jt-mobile> Morning
[08:09:08] <_methods> allooo alloo
[08:09:26] <_methods> breakfast done
[08:09:39] <_methods> time to get some work done
[08:10:06] <jt-mobile> We are at SpyderFest
[08:10:24] <_methods> ahh cool
[08:10:30] <_methods> i hope you sell a bunch
[08:11:05] <_methods> do they have a spyder2 out now?
[08:11:37] <jt-mobile> I did sell some stuff last night. But I don't get a vendor boot
[08:12:10] <jt-mobile> They have a FL now
[08:12:22] <jt-mobile> F3
[08:12:38] <_methods> seems like i saw a commercial for it the other day
[08:13:08] <jt-mobile> Yea they are advertising it a lot
[08:14:11] <jt-mobile> Can Am delivered the 100,000 spyder at the fest
[08:14:14] <_methods> so where's spyderfest at?
[08:14:33] <jt-mobile> Springfield Mo
[08:15:17] <_methods> see any boobies yet lol
[08:16:17] <jt-mobile> That is a Harley thing lol
[08:17:34] <_methods> hahahha
[08:17:42] <_methods> spyder chix don't show the boobies
[08:17:46] <_methods> damn
[08:18:56] <jt-mobile> Most are 50+
[08:19:54] <_methods> haha ok ok point taken
[08:20:19] <_methods> i used to go to bike week in myrtle beach every year
[08:20:29] <_methods> i'm too old for all that insanity anymore
[08:20:41] <_methods> i stayed with the hell's angels one year that was pretty cool
[08:20:54] <_methods> swat teams rollin through the hotel hallways all night
[08:23:07] <jt-mobile> I'm a bit more reserved
[08:24:17] <jt-mobile> I don't even like harlies
[08:25:18] <jt-mobile> Time for some breakfast
[09:09:20] <Tom_itx> _methods you probably wouldn't wanna see _those_ boobies
[09:17:11] <_methods> heheh
[09:17:14] <_methods> knee draggers
[10:53:56] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/windsor-area-on/cnc-lathe-cincinatti-falcon-400/1064827268?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[10:54:00] <zeeshan> hmmm!
[10:54:10] <zeeshan> _almost_ perfect
[10:54:20] <zeeshan> but i wish it had a 7.5HP motor and 6000 rpm spindle
[10:54:34] <zeeshan> has all the other specs
[10:54:38] <zeeshan> 5" spindle bore lol
[10:55:13] <Tom_itx> kinda big
[10:55:24] <zeeshan> it'd fit in the garage
[10:55:41] <Tom_itx> with anything else??
[10:55:49] <zeeshan> no id have to get rid of my lathe
[10:55:52] <zeeshan> move my bead roller to the basement
[10:55:55] <archivist> and the car
[10:55:58] <zeeshan> nahh
[10:56:00] <zeeshan> itll fit w/ car
[10:56:17] <zeeshan> i dont wanna spend more than 4000 TOTAL
[10:56:21] <zeeshan> so that means after conversion
[10:56:29] <Tom_itx> you got 460 3phase?
[10:56:31] <zeeshan> so i'd need to find the machine for 2500~
[10:56:39] <zeeshan> no, but i would convert it
[10:56:53] <zeeshan> so it runs off 240v single
[10:56:55] <pcw_home> will you garage floor like 18000 lbs?
[10:57:07] <zeeshan> yea itll take it
[10:57:15] <zeeshan> with the appropriate plate
[10:57:33] <archivist> and underpinning
[10:58:16] <zeeshan> its really hard to find a lathe that'll do 30" Z travel, slant bed, live tailstock, live turrett
[10:58:22] <zeeshan> for under 3000
[10:58:30] <zeeshan> i found one, but i missed on it by an hour.
[10:58:39] <zeeshan> :(
[11:01:34] <pcw_home> looks like it will run on 240V 3 phase 120A
[11:02:26] <zeeshan> too bad the spindle is too big and slow!
[11:02:48] <pcw_home> well its for turning big things
[11:03:41] <archivist> and dont spin long thin bits too fast
[11:04:14] <pcw_home> lessn yo wants to be whupped to deth
[11:04:19] <zeeshan> lol
[11:04:25] <zeeshan> you can spin em fast, just need support
[11:04:33] <zeeshan> im thinking a 2" diameter bar
[11:04:37] <zeeshan> 24" long
[11:05:22] <archivist> but yo is often moving the support
[11:06:55] <zeeshan> :)
[11:07:25] <pcw_home> notice where it came from, sticker on the nameplate
[11:07:42] <zeeshan> TAIWAN
[11:07:55] <Tom_itx> imagine whipping a 4.5" bar around in your garage
[11:07:56] <pcw_home> Ontario Hydro
[11:08:22] <zeeshan> pcw_home: thats just an electrical authority approval tag
[11:08:30] <zeeshan> pretty stnadard here after inspection
[11:08:34] <pcw_home> oh OK
[11:09:37] <zeeshan> man i wish there was an easier way to do this
[11:09:47] <zeeshan> without making a plate with protrusions that fit in these holes:
[11:09:50] <zeeshan> http://gyazo.com/0b5001a15e639800c69d807e1f10a0ad
[11:10:04] <zeeshan> i gotta chamfer the butterfly in the bottom side of that pic
[11:10:11] <zeeshan> but from opposite face (i gotta flip the part)
[11:10:18] <zeeshan> i need to still maintain alignment
[11:11:32] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: how does Canadian customs handle the charge for trailering in 3 tons of scrap machine?
[11:11:52] <zeeshan> not sure :/
[11:12:55] <CaptHindsight> probably by whatever is on the invoice or receipt
[11:13:43] <CaptHindsight> I once called them to ask about if I'd be charged for carrying 500lb of hand tools across the border and back
[11:13:52] <CaptHindsight> they said it might be $20
[11:21:41] <Tom_itx> zeeshan what size holes are those?
[11:22:26] <zeeshan> 4mm
[11:22:38] <Tom_itx> bolting isn't an option?
[11:23:01] <zeeshan> im doing peck drill, then bolting them down to a sacraficial plate
[11:23:13] <zeeshan> actually thats not gonna work
[11:23:14] <Tom_itx> ok, use 3 dowel pins on the perimeter for xy alignment
[11:23:16] <zeeshan> cause i gotta face mill em
[11:23:23] <Tom_itx> machine the plate to known dimensions
[11:23:41] <zeeshan> oh i remember now, i was gonna peck drill
[11:23:42] <zeeshan> and face
[11:23:42] <Tom_itx> nm, that won't work either
[11:23:48] <zeeshan> while holding from corners
[11:24:02] <zeeshan> then before the contour, i was gonna bolt it down
[11:24:20] <Tom_itx> you said you have to flip it over
[11:24:30] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: I did find out that the customs duty into Canada for that resin I sent you is rather steep
[11:24:43] <Tom_itx> ok, the 3 dowels will work...
[11:24:50] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: school paid it no?
[11:25:06] <Tom_itx> face the middle, drill, flip, contour and whatever else you need on the backside
[11:25:22] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: something like 50%, yours was a sample so they just paid for shipping
[11:25:31] <Tom_itx> you will need a plate under the center though
[11:25:35] <Tom_itx> to support it
[11:25:47] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: wow wtf
[11:25:48] <Tom_itx> not the best plan...
[11:25:49] <Tom_itx> hmm
[11:25:57] <zeeshan> tom how about this
[11:26:01] <zeeshan> i face it, drill it
[11:26:13] <zeeshan> but when i contour, i only contour the portion that needs to be chamfered
[11:26:15] <Tom_itx> first, what do you need to do to the backside?
[11:26:23] <zeeshan> this way i can drill some holes on the plate on the corners
[11:26:29] <zeeshan> for dowel holes..
[11:26:35] <zeeshan> (3 hole alignment)
[11:26:47] <zeeshan> i need to chamfer in opposite ends
[11:27:13] <Tom_itx> can you chamfer before you profile?
[11:27:36] <zeeshan> probably not
[11:27:44] <zeeshan> tip doesnt cut
[11:28:31] <zeeshan> i think my idea will work
[11:28:44] <Tom_itx> you don't need to drill locating holes for the dowels
[11:28:56] <Tom_itx> just pin them on the outside and at the corners
[11:29:06] <zeeshan> take square plate, hold it down from corners. drill holes in the corners to hold shoulder bolts
[11:29:24] <zeeshan> and only complete enough contouring so that i can chamfer with the tool
[11:29:25] <Tom_itx> you need dowels if you want alignment
[11:29:34] <Tom_itx> ok i'll buy that
[11:29:38] <Tom_itx> cut halfway down
[11:29:41] <Tom_itx> and chamfer
[11:29:45] <Tom_itx> then flip and finish
[11:29:46] <zeeshan> yes
[11:29:54] <zeeshan> this stuff is weird
[11:30:00] <Tom_itx> but you will need dowels, not bolts for alignment
[11:30:02] <zeeshan> if i had to ever redial it back in, it'd b a pain in the ass
[11:30:09] <zeeshan> well im using shoulder bolts
[11:30:10] <Tom_itx> at least 2
[11:30:15] <Tom_itx> then bolt the other two
[11:30:16] <zeeshan> the ones with ground dowels in them
[11:30:26] <zeeshan> okay that works too
[11:30:27] <Tom_itx> and maybe a clamp by the dowels
[11:30:30] <zeeshan> but i dont think i have dowels that small
[11:30:31] <zeeshan> ill have to check
[11:30:49] <Tom_itx> doesn't matter what size if they're in the corners
[11:31:31] <Tom_itx> then make sure your cam aligns the dowels for each side
[11:31:35] <Tom_itx> remember one is opposite
[11:34:05] <Tom_itx> don't rely on threads for alignment
[11:35:36] <Tom_itx> if you cut halfway and chamfer, make sure when you flip it to finish the profile the center is bolted
[11:41:53] <zeeshan> will show you simulation in a few min
[11:42:02] <zeeshan> i think we're talking about the same thing
[11:44:47] <Tom_itx> you may as well get used to having a sacrificial plate on your mill
[11:44:53] <zeeshan> hahah
[11:45:13] <Tom_itx> get one big one and use it until it's gone
[11:47:03] <Tom_itx> drill a grid pattern in it and tap half and ream the other half
[11:47:18] <Tom_itx> then you'll have bolt locations and dowel alignment as well
[11:49:20] <zeeshan> peck drill tap drill size in sacraficial plate -> pause program -> tap by hand -> peck drill clearance hole -> face the part -> use same end mill to drill 4 holes at corners of plate for .5" dowel -> pause program -- put in bolts -> contour one half of plate -> chamfer one half of plate. -> pause program and flip plate (realign with dowels) -> face mill -> pause program -- bolt in part from middle
[11:49:35] <zeeshan> two bolts -> contour other half -> chamfer
[11:49:36] <zeeshan> done
[11:50:54] <Tom_itx> i'd use smaller dowels
[11:50:58] <Tom_itx> but it's your call
[11:51:07] <zeeshan> i dont wanna change the end mill
[11:51:07] <zeeshan> lol
[11:51:17] <zeeshan> trying to save a tool change
[11:51:29] <Tom_itx> you using the em for the dowel holes or profiling them?
[11:51:42] <Tom_itx> pfft tool change vs precision alignment?
[11:51:49] <zeeshan> my final part for drawbar came in -- so ill have a drawbar soon
[11:51:57] <zeeshan> power
[11:52:04] <Tom_itx> alignment holes should be reamed
[11:52:15] <zeeshan> end mill does pretty good with circular interpolation
[11:52:25] <zeeshan> i can hold 2 tenths
[11:52:55] <zeeshan> remember the throttle body porting?
[11:52:59] <zeeshan> that was within 5 tenths!
[11:53:03] <Tom_itx> mkay
[11:53:12] <Tom_itx> should work then
[11:53:43] <Tom_itx> the larger dowels will just wear out your sacrificial plate sooner
[11:53:57] <zeeshan> thats true :/
[11:54:00] <zeeshan> ok fuck it
[11:54:01] <zeeshan> tool change
[11:54:38] <Tom_itx> if you leave the plate on, you can drill / ream a row of them in an L shape
[11:54:45] <zeeshan> dude
[11:54:47] <Tom_itx> then you can use them for multiple setups
[11:54:49] <zeeshan> if im only doing this for alginment
[11:54:55] <zeeshan> why cant i just machine the corners of this plate?
[11:55:14] <Tom_itx> i said that first off
[11:56:07] <Tom_itx> you will still need to hold the center on the 2nd op
[12:02:33] <SpeedEvil> magnets
[12:04:00] <Tom_itx> non ferrous
[12:04:22] <Tom_itx> not so good for chip management anyway
[12:05:33] <SpeedEvil> You need special aluminium magnets then
[12:08:42] <zeeshan> found tons of 1/8 dowels
[12:09:00] <Tom_itx> all you really need
[12:09:16] <Tom_itx> i generally use 3/16 or 1/4
[12:09:26] <zeeshan> i only got 1 1/4 dowel lol
[12:09:29] <zeeshan> i need to get those
[12:11:18] <Tom_itx> the bolts will hold it, you just need them for alignment
[12:19:48] <zeeshan> lol this is going to be annoying
[12:20:17] <zeeshan> 11/64 clearance drill, then #30 tap drill, then 7/64 drill, then 1/8 reamer
[12:20:25] <zeeshan> this is where i wish i had 4 drill chucks!
[12:20:40] <zeeshan> so i didnt have to keep resetting the Z height
[12:22:33] <roycroft> i'm still machining manually, so to tap a hole it's spot drill, tap drill, countersink, tap
[12:22:37] <roycroft> then move on to the next hole
[12:22:59] <zeeshan> hehe
[12:23:10] <zeeshan> i might have to spot drill too :[
[12:23:16] <zeeshan> 5 drill chucks!
[12:23:29] <zeeshan> ill definitely be keeping one tool holder as a spot drill
[12:23:30] <zeeshan> permanently
[12:23:35] <zeeshan> cause its so commonly used
[12:24:01] <roycroft> i never, ever start a hole without a spot drill
[12:24:09] <roycroft> even when using a hand drill
[12:24:13] <zeeshan> for non critical stuff
[12:24:18] <zeeshan> it doesnt really matter
[12:24:20] <roycroft> perhaps i should say especially when using a hand drill
[12:24:23] <zeeshan> for a small drill yes
[12:24:28] <zeeshan> but like say im doing a 1/4" hole
[12:24:29] <zeeshan> i wont bother
[12:24:30] <roycroft> drill bits wander too much
[12:24:39] <zeeshan> for cnc this is
[12:24:47] <roycroft> i have lots of battery drills though
[12:24:56] <roycroft> so when doing things by hand i have lots of chucks available
[12:25:18] <zeeshan> instead of 4 drill chucks
[12:25:22] <zeeshan> i think a tool setter would be nice
[12:25:30] <zeeshan> so after tool change, it goes to set the tool automatically
[12:25:37] <zeeshan> and updates Z offset automatically
[12:25:40] <roycroft> i start with a center punch when hand drilling, of course, so that adds yet another operation
[12:25:50] <roycroft> yes, a tool setter would be nice
[13:06:58] <Tom_itx> zeeshan yeah i keep a spot drill in a permanent holder
[13:07:38] <Tom_itx> we had pencil holders with collets for the smaller drills
[13:07:57] <Tom_itx> 1/2" shank holder
[13:08:21] <Tom_itx> mine is valenite
[13:09:11] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-300DA-Collet-Tool-Holders-1-2-Shank-5-used-assorted-collets-/261852603471?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf7a1a44f
[13:09:14] <Tom_itx> very similar to that
[13:09:14] <_methods> Tom_itx: you have a sherline right?
[13:09:25] <Tom_itx> yes
[13:09:35] <_methods> can you climb mill with yours?
[13:09:49] <Tom_itx> sorta
[13:09:54] <_methods> yeah same boat
[13:10:05] <_methods> i can climb as long as i stay in the cut
[13:10:10] <Tom_itx> yeah
[13:10:18] <_methods> just wondering lol
[13:10:35] <_methods> my whole column is flappin around comin off a straight climb lol
[13:11:04] <Tom_itx> i just go slow
[13:11:18] <Tom_itx> and learned to use small cutters
[13:11:26] <_methods> yeah i'll just convential mill straight runs
[13:11:36] <_methods> yeah i'm using 1/2" carbide 4fl on steel
[13:11:42] <Tom_itx> i'm used to being able to use 6" shell mills at full till
[13:11:45] <_methods> raising quite the ruckus
[13:11:55] <Tom_itx> sherline won't quite do that
[13:11:56] <Tom_itx> :D
[13:12:05] <_methods> no
[13:12:17] <_methods> neither will my bottom of the harbor freight mill
[13:12:42] <Tom_itx> i stick with .250 or smaller mills
[13:13:04] <Tom_itx> usually 1/8 or 3/16
[13:13:15] <_methods> maybe i should take up that position also lol
[13:13:27] <_methods> i need to finish the belt mod quick lol
[13:13:33] <_methods> my gears sound like doo doo
[13:13:45] <Tom_itx> you'll probably get better results
[13:13:53] <_methods> can't get much worse lol
[13:14:09] <Tom_itx> i'm certainly glad i went to timing belts instead of the vgrove
[13:14:17] <_methods> on your spindle?
[13:14:20] <Tom_itx> yes
[13:14:29] <_methods> ah shit i'm doing the vbelt one
[13:14:40] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/timing_pulley_index.php
[13:14:41] <_methods> never thought to try using timing on spindle
[13:14:43] <Tom_itx> check those out
[13:14:50] <Tom_itx> oh hell yeay
[13:14:51] <Tom_itx> h
[13:15:05] <_methods> well that would have bene much easier than making pulleys lol
[13:15:11] <Tom_itx> changed the encoder out too
[13:15:28] <Tom_itx> last thing i was working on before i had to pause for a while was spindle reverse
[13:15:30] <_methods> guess i'll do that some other day
[13:15:43] <_methods> yeah i remember you were working on that
[13:15:49] <zeeshan> hey is there a way to manually set a new Z height for a tool in between a program ?
[13:16:07] <Tom_itx> zeeshan not that i know of
[13:16:10] <Tom_itx> oh wait...
[13:16:23] <Tom_itx> somebody was working on pause / resume
[13:16:33] <Tom_itx> you might check the logs/forum etc
[13:16:33] <zeeshan> yea i can see why it would be so useful
[13:16:40] <zeeshan> cause you can jog to set your new height
[13:16:43] <Tom_itx> for tool breakage etc
[13:16:46] <zeeshan> without having to reset the program
[13:16:54] <zeeshan> well for automatic tool setters?
[13:16:58] <zeeshan> isn't there a routine?
[13:17:18] <Tom_itx> the trick is getting the tool table updated and being able to resume where you were
[13:17:58] <Deejay> re
[13:20:06] <Tom_itx> zeeshan wait for reply in -devel
[13:20:13] <zeeshan> ty
[13:20:42] <Tom_itx> i doubt it's in mainstream yet
[13:20:54] <_methods> bah too late i guess i think i just killed my gears lol
[13:21:02] <Tom_itx> ?
[13:21:16] <Tom_itx> broke a tooth?
[13:21:30] <_methods> hmm bearings might be smoked
[13:21:45] <Tom_itx> switch over to timing belts
[13:21:47] <_methods> yeah
[13:21:50] <_methods> working on it lol
[13:21:56] <Tom_itx> just make sure they're heavy enough
[13:22:00] <Tom_itx> mine is 9mm wide
[13:22:10] <Tom_itx> which is plenty for the sherline i think
[13:22:44] <Tom_itx> and i already had the ones i used on the encoder
[13:22:48] <Tom_itx> which are smaller
[13:23:35] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/new_pulley_mounted2.jpg
[13:23:40] <Tom_itx> that shows the series i used
[13:23:55] <Tom_itx> sdp-si.com
[13:28:43] <Jymmm> My new cellphone ??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eaiNsFhtI8
[13:30:19] <XXCoder1> it's so slim
[13:32:08] <Jymmm> Kinda cool that we can do that though.
[13:32:14] <XXCoder1> indeed
[13:34:19] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: It's voice + 2G_ONLY, but it has a LiIon charger built in... https://www.adafruit.com/products/1963
[13:35:08] <XXCoder1> nice
[13:39:30] <_methods> http://i.imgur.com/ulFNzi5.jpg
[13:39:33] <_methods> buwhahahhaha
[13:39:35] <_methods> oops
[13:39:59] <Tom_itx> time for belts
[13:40:18] <_methods> no kidding
[13:40:22] <XXCoder1> motor fell in or what?
[13:40:35] <XXCoder1> because as I see it, gear has no room to rotate lol
[13:41:04] <archivist> spastic gear
[13:41:16] <Tom_itx> i wish i had those screws on mine
[13:41:33] <MrFluffy> hi all, has anyone got camview-emc installed on a wheezy install?
[13:42:07] <XXCoder1> _methods: got any before pic? lol
[13:42:19] <MrFluffy> Im sure i did this and had it working, but I cant find the binary so probably it was on a gentoo box to test the camera and Ive got mixed up.
[13:43:03] <archivist> camview is a little unmaintained I believe, needs someone to cuddle it
[13:44:30] <MrFluffy> hmm python-camunits is depending on a older version of python...
[13:46:40] <MrFluffy> I saw CaptHindsight mentioning he had it working under wheezy in a archive of this channel, fishing for a response
[13:47:14] <MrFluffy> it must have been on my gentoo laptop, but Im sure I remember marvelling at how horrible my machine bed looked in it..
[13:47:20] <CaptHindsight> yeah camview is old
[13:47:29] <CaptHindsight> heh
[13:48:04] <CaptHindsight> I forget the Debian versions, wheezy sleepy sneezy etc
[13:48:12] <MrFluffy> how did you get it on wheezy?
[13:48:21] <CaptHindsight> is Wheezy on the current live cd?
[13:48:27] <MrFluffy> yes
[13:48:59] <CaptHindsight> I used the earlier packages and did some massaging by hand
[13:49:02] <MrFluffy> /etc/debian_version from my install 7.7
[13:49:15] <MrFluffy> ok, I guess man apt time and force it a bit
[13:49:18] <CaptHindsight> the machine is across the room from me
[13:49:37] <CaptHindsight> the dependencies are required that i can see so far
[13:49:45] <CaptHindsight> some util might not work
[13:49:57] <CaptHindsight> but I had camera in the Axis window
[13:50:43] <CaptHindsight> MrFahrenheit: I'd really take a look at the other image processing app/library bu Google
[13:50:59] <CaptHindsight> heh MrFluffy ^^^
[13:51:35] <CaptHindsight> http://opencv.org/
[13:52:40] <MrFluffy> ugh this is going to be fun... crosshair.c:5:19: fatal error: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory
[13:52:52] <archivist> CaptHindsight, I spotted a logitech web camera today in a Maplin store 15mp http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/product/hd-pro-webcam-c920
[13:53:29] <CaptHindsight> more res and lower prices all the time :)
[13:54:16] <MrFluffy> this is for one of those usb microscopes
[13:54:35] <CaptHindsight> MrFluffy: somehad openCV on Wheezy and was using the libs to spot and measure the diameter of circles
[13:54:53] <CaptHindsight> I just haven't touched it in a few months
[13:55:05] <pcw_home> Skunkworks
[13:55:26] <CaptHindsight> yes, but he's busy with a new child
[13:55:35] <pcw_home> (who is probably pretty busy right now on the home front)
[13:55:43] <CaptHindsight> so he might be afk for the next few weeks
[13:55:55] <MrFahrenheit> I'm getting quite popular in this channel, it seems
[13:56:03] <MrFahrenheit> :P
[13:56:09] <CaptHindsight> definitely not sleeping
[13:56:36] <CaptHindsight> heh, MrFahrenheit that darn auto-complete :)
[13:56:52] <XXCoder1> MrFahrenheit: youre hot now! lol
[13:58:38] <CaptHindsight> there's an openCV package in wheezy
[13:59:00] <CaptHindsight> getting it in Axis should be pretty similar to camview
[13:59:33] <CaptHindsight> once it is all the fun stuff should run in opencv
[14:00:04] <CaptHindsight> the trick will be getting info from openCV to generate offsets for Lnuxcnc
[14:01:44] <MrFluffy> just installed mesa-common-dev for the header and now its barfing on a missing header from FreeImage
[14:02:25] <CaptHindsight> I might have forced some earlier packages in myself
[14:03:30] <MrFluffy> Im used to typing emerge and fixing what breaks during a compile, its been a while since I did much on a binary distro
[14:03:39] <MrFahrenheit> XXCoder1, 200 degrees, that's why they call me MrFahrenheit
[14:03:53] <XXCoder1> you sure its not 451? heh
[14:04:12] <MrFahrenheit> don't stop me now
[14:04:29] <XXCoder1> watch out for firemen
[14:05:08] <MrFahrenheit> the nick is a reference to this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM
[14:05:31] <MrFluffy> CaptHindsight: haha its just failed because its dependant on opencv anyway :D
[14:05:58] <Computer_Barf1> did someone say barf?
[14:06:01] <XXCoder1> MrFahrenheit: interesting. I was reffering to book Fahrenheit 451
[14:06:15] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAifvRri2ss FirePick Delta computer vision centering
[14:06:23] <CaptHindsight> openCV inside ^^^
[14:06:37] <XXCoder1> intel inside
[14:06:39] <Computer_Barf1> cause I have a patent on all computer related barf
[14:07:07] <marmite> anyone have a good leed on a chuck key for me emco compact 5 :D
[14:07:37] <marmite> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Emco-Compact-5-Lathe-3-Jaw-80-mm-Drill-Type-Chuck-Key-1017-E-/390983931096?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5b087554d8 only key i find will cost me 80 usd :<
[14:07:45] <MrFluffy> this is going to be one of those things that to document Ill need to save out my bash history...
[14:08:12] <Computer_Barf1> could you possibly mill one?
[14:08:29] <marmite> dont think so not on mine anyway
[14:09:09] <CaptHindsight> it's like a drill chuck
[14:09:46] <CaptHindsight> marmite: could you get lucky by discovering a drill chuck key that fits?
[14:09:57] <CaptHindsight> or with minor mods
[14:10:11] <marmite> have tryied a couple no match so far
[14:10:20] <CaptHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxMTQ5/z/~mkAAOSwaNBUckIB/$_57.JPG
[14:10:40] <XXCoder1> marmite: could use belt wrench to tighten and loosen meanwhile
[14:10:50] <CaptHindsight> just for scale what size are those screws?
[14:10:53] <marmite> iam :D
[14:10:58] <marmite> gonna check
[14:11:07] <MrFluffy> dinner, I shall pick this up in a bit, ldd cant find something now
[14:11:24] <XXCoder1> looks like m10 but dunno
[14:12:52] <CaptHindsight> so that key is pretty big
[14:13:36] <XXCoder1> looks like it
[14:14:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/261862204411 $60
[14:14:21] <XXCoder1> drill type 3
[14:14:22] <marmite> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cgd9y7nnv5po3rc/TAND.jpg?dl=0 have this crappy image
[14:14:34] <marmite> CaptHindsight: + 30 usd shipping for me
[14:14:55] <marmite> sweden
[14:15:27] <XXCoder1> thats probably suffecent info, besides unknown diameter
[14:16:32] <CaptHindsight> grind 2 flats on each side and use a big wrench :)
[14:17:29] <marmite> well could work :P
[14:17:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Emco-Compact-5-Lathe-3-Jaw-80-mm-Drill-Type-Chuck-Key-1017-E/390983931096?_trksid=p2054897.c100204.m3164&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140407115239%26meid%3Dad62f3a46fe74a4e9ff756e5d4c0020b%26pid%3D100204%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D29%26sd%3D261862204411
[14:17:36] <marmite> but seems there should be a easier way
[14:17:50] <marmite> seems like it should be somewhat of a normal key
[14:18:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/lisle-12060-P22056.aspx?gclid=CK35ipXeo8UCFQEGaQod6SIArA
[14:20:14] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIegFURsGFE
[14:20:24] <CaptHindsight> the lever
[14:21:57] <XXCoder1> awkward but works
[14:22:00] <CaptHindsight> http://newman-tools-shopping-cart-2.myshopify.com/collections/jacobs-drill-chucks-accessories/products/jacob
[14:22:14] <CaptHindsight> maybe a key for 1" chuck?
[14:22:46] <marmite> maby
[14:23:02] <marmite> gotta read upp on sizes
[14:23:08] <CaptHindsight> ^^ that site has some specs on pilot hole and teeth
[14:23:09] <XXCoder1> https://www.hswalsh.com/categories/emco-compact-5-accessories
[14:24:03] <marmite> wierd sizes
[14:24:08] <marmite> 1/ what that even :D
[14:24:12] <marmite> mm is the shit
[14:24:33] <CaptHindsight> 25.4mm = 1 inch :)
[14:25:58] <XXCoder1> I do prefer scienfic standard, but I work at usa company lol
[14:26:08] <marmite> ah
[14:26:22] <CaptHindsight> i have to go back and forth all the time
[14:26:28] <marmite> then i need a chuck key that is 0.275591 inches :P
[14:26:36] <gene78> my crash-o-matic lathe computer? I just put a clip lead to ground the lathe frame to a motor cable shield
[14:26:49] <gene78> hasn't crashed in 20 minutes now.
[14:27:17] <CaptHindsight> it's gets irritating to have to translate microns to 1/1000" for shops
[14:27:20] <XXCoder1> mr clippy finally helped
[14:27:30] <marmite> CaptHindsight: uhhhhhhh i understand that :D
[14:28:16] <CaptHindsight> RJ3-16 fits close enough
[14:28:29] <zeeshan> man there has to be an easier way to do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[14:28:39] <XXCoder1> zeeshan: yeah
[14:28:42] <XXCoder1> just dont do it
[14:28:43] <XXCoder1> lol
[14:28:44] <CaptHindsight> https://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/Tapers_and_Chuck_keys#Chuck_keys
[14:29:04] <zeeshan> 16 steps!
[14:29:06] <marmite> http://www.carolynrelei.com/inchchart.htm best site ever
[14:29:07] <marmite> :D
[14:29:14] <marmite> so i need a 1/4
[14:30:36] <XXCoder1> zeeshan: remember my tip ;)
[14:31:27] <XXCoder1> plenty of awesome conversion software for phones but my work dont allow phones lol
[14:31:31] <CaptHindsight> just under 9/32"
[14:32:13] <CaptHindsight> marmite: maybe a KK key will work
[14:32:54] <CaptHindsight> http://www.sears.com/jacobs-kk-t-handle-chuck-key-with-9-32/p-00988749000P?sid=IDx01192011x000001&kpid=00988749000&pla=&kispla=00988749000P&mktRedirect=y
[14:33:02] <CaptHindsight> $2.99
[14:33:10] <marmite> not bad
[14:33:13] <marmite> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-9-32-PILOT-1-2-DRILL-CHUCK-KEY-SIZE-AS-MILWAUKEE48-66-3480-JACOBS-KK-/321711336420?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ae77d6be4
[14:33:36] <CaptHindsight> $6 with shipping
[14:34:22] <marmite> well more for me in sweden
[14:35:39] <CaptHindsight> $24.75
[14:35:50] <marmite> cheeper on ebay then :D
[14:35:53] <marmite> gonna order and try
[14:35:54] <CaptHindsight> or first class for less but 4+ weeks
[14:38:07] <Computer_Barf1> I was to create a build thread , where should I do it for my g0704
[14:47:11] <tjtr33> gene78, jumper clip to star ground! "use the sink, luke"
[14:56:18] <MrFluffy> my mill kept having random joint errors and several mr clippys were recruited and eliminated them
[14:56:29] <zeeshan> boy this program
[14:56:31] <MrFluffy> Ive only just got round to running actual ground wires in place of them
[14:56:34] <zeeshan> is a lot longer than i thought it would be,.
[14:57:07] <XXCoder1> yeah some mysterous program is longer than expected
[14:58:00] <zeeshan> face, flip & reset origin, face, spot drill, drill #30, drill 17/64 clearance, drill 7/64, ream 1/8, pause program (tap holes by hand and bolt down), contour, chamfer, pause(flip part and rebolt down those bolts) , contour, chamfer
[14:58:57] <zeeshan> 18 min program
[14:59:05] <zeeshan> with a shit load of tool changes and part resetting
[15:02:34] <MrFluffy> cu-plugins just compiled, make didnt understand the -l flag linking it to opencv... wth...
[15:03:27] <XXCoder1> linux version of dll hell
[15:04:12] <MrFluffy> no make must have changed flags, make -h says -l is for load average niceness levels now
[15:04:29] <MrFluffy> unless its a typo in the makefile and they meant -L all along
[15:06:52] <MrFluffy> now apparently googles cert on code.google.com has expired... surely not.
[15:11:45] <XXCoder1> odd
[15:12:04] <XXCoder1> no error here
[15:12:06] <MrFluffy> its ok, its my box, ntp is borked it seems
[15:12:11] <MrFluffy> it thinks its 2014
[15:13:19] <MrFluffy> Uh I remember why too, defeating some time based thing
[15:15:00] <MrFluffy> spillage from the day job
[15:18:27] <XXCoder1> lol
[15:24:45] <MrFluffy> run into bug of configure not finding glBegin, fix? no, horrible fudge edit configure to carry on anyway and hard link it in the makefile, horrible fudging inc.
[16:01:30] <XXCoder1> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MV6TAJI/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00MV6TAJI&linkCode=as2&tag=bkgas-20&linkId=WLMVSPXNSH3CJ3WD
[16:01:32] <XXCoder1> dang
[16:01:34] <XXCoder1> tempted
[16:03:00] <MrFluffy> stock up on sd cards...
[16:03:24] <MrFluffy> they havent changed the design of how the broadcom soc uses the sd card during io, just put more cores on it
[16:04:20] <andypugh> I looked at PREEMPT-RT on the Pi, but latency was pretty bad and the ethernet port is USB.
[16:04:48] <MrFluffy> Ive got four here and 3 of them corrupt the sd cards during heavy io, and the fourth is well behaved with exactly the same cards
[16:05:06] <MrFluffy> on the same psu ...
[16:05:09] <XXCoder1> wonder whats happening
[16:05:15] <XXCoder1> and can you reformat
[16:05:24] <XXCoder1> I had reset sdcards before so yea
[16:06:12] <MrFluffy> there was a massive thread at the time on the forums and everything was blamed but the pi, I believe the soc doesnt handle io correctly in certain situations
[16:06:35] <XXCoder1> thanks on tip
[16:06:47] <XXCoder1> just dunno what I would do with it so not buying for now lol
[16:07:02] <MrFluffy> I think the pi compute module access its flash module differently and doesnt suffer the same
[16:07:15] <XXCoder1> gonna run later
[16:07:22] <MrFluffy> I was using them as mythfrontends, the gpu is amazing for the price
[16:11:52] <gene78> tjtr33, I spoke too soon, just came back from running the rider so I could see past the jungle, and it crashed about 2/3rds done.
[16:31:07] <MrFluffy> ok, I need to put down camview for now and go wire my suds contactor instead. Glut segfaulted and missing cvGetSeqElem symbols in the cv library
[16:31:28] <MrFluffy> frustrating I was certain I had tried this and had it working under axis.. maybe I dreamed it.
[16:31:48] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: preempt_rt is supposedly good on the imx6, have you ever tried it with your Udoo (sp)?
[16:32:26] <andypugh> I haven’t, but it might be worth a try
[16:32:48] <andypugh> The problem seems to be that the Udoo needs kernel work to boot.
[16:33:01] <CaptHindsight> krap
[16:33:02] <andypugh> (ie, a vanilla kernel won’t biit it)
[16:33:18] <CaptHindsight> all those projects always needs work
[16:33:41] <CaptHindsight> they do ahve working but they don't share the stable trees
[16:34:00] <CaptHindsight> ahve/have
[16:34:16] <andypugh> Udoo has a sourceforge page, you can get theit kernel tree
[16:35:19] <tjtr33> i heard the beaglebone black was being closed out at radioshack cheap
[16:35:47] <andypugh> Anyway, I have to be up before 5am tomorrow. So time to go.
[16:35:55] <CaptHindsight> hasta
[16:37:10] <CaptHindsight> https://community.freescale.com/thread/329106
[16:37:25] <CaptHindsight> FIQ and IRQ latency differences between different i.MX6 CPUs ^^^
[16:42:21] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe2RACwiEbg
[16:43:27] <tjtr33> does a microprocessor , say a pic or 6502 or 6800 or Z80 exhibit any of this latency problem? is it just untested complexity that leads to unknown execution timing?
[16:43:30] <CaptHindsight> https://www.osadl.org/Latency-plot-of-system-in-rack-b-slot.qa-latencyplot-rbs7.0.html?latencies=&showno=&slider=0 imx6
[16:44:19] <CaptHindsight> hey skunkworks was that with Wheezy?
[16:44:58] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: it depends on the design of the micro as well as the code
[16:45:56] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, how close to the hole does it have to be to recognize it?
[16:46:06] <Tom_itx> crosshairs in the perimeter?
[16:46:25] <CaptHindsight> also imx6 https://www.osadl.org/Latency-plot-of-system-in-rack-a-slot.qa-latencyplot-ras6.0.html?latencies=&showno=&slider=0
[16:47:04] <MrFluffy> do you have that setup documented anywhere skunkworks?
[16:47:05] <CaptHindsight> latency max on the second link was 20.015uS
[16:47:30] <MrFluffy> It has occured to me camview-emc is segfaulting because Im ssh -XYA into the machine not local
[16:47:37] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight: yes - wheezy
[16:47:39] <CaptHindsight> MrFluffy: yes, right there in youtube :)
[16:48:07] <skunkworks> MrFluffy: I think I may have posted it on the mailing list...
[16:48:30] <skunkworks> the circle has to be in the frame.
[16:48:34] <CaptHindsight> MrFluffy: the camview work is old now and never stable unless that dev was in the channel translating how to set it up
[16:48:47] <MrFluffy> Ok, I will hunt it down in a bit if going out the shop and trying camview-emc doenst fix it
[16:49:22] <CaptHindsight> MrFluffy: there is a thread on the ML about all the hoops somene went through to get it working with just the crosshairs
[16:49:40] <CaptHindsight> and a recent hackaday about using it
[16:49:53] <MrFluffy> I think I saw that on HaD
[16:50:04] <CaptHindsight> opencv is the way to go
[16:50:05] <MrFluffy> thats what made me buy this model of inspection microscope
[16:50:32] <CaptHindsight> camview is no longer actively developed
[16:50:44] <MrFluffy> I can see that from just getting it to compile and install
[16:51:06] <CaptHindsight> I tried to update the howto but i ran into what you are
[16:51:21] <CaptHindsight> and didn't want to waste anymore time
[16:51:44] <MrFluffy> I need to install linuxcnc on something other than my mill to break tinkering with
[16:51:48] <MrFluffy> into a vm maybe
[16:52:04] <CaptHindsight> good enough to see how things build
[16:53:34] <MrFluffy> hmm on another note, now need to find out how much a warco vmc table weighs... I feel a trunnion table build coming on.
[16:54:32] <CaptHindsight> the trunnions from trunnions r us or something similar aren't bad
[16:55:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.trunniontable.com/
[16:55:23] <CaptHindsight> I start with them and clean them up to spec
[17:00:01] <MrFluffy> I think you overestimate vastly my usual starting budget of 60c and a packet of sweets
[17:00:44] <MrFluffy> Ive won a warco vmc xy table on ebay with the end plates, and I already have a lathe headstock cut down into a table, if you squint, and use a lot of imagination a cunning plan forms
[17:01:17] <MrFluffy> camview-emc gave RTAPI: ERROR: could not open shared memory on the machine console, so different error but still broke, I shall give up and try the opencv route
[17:05:12] <CaptHindsight> MrFluffy: did you install from psha's repos?
[17:05:35] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Adding_Camview
[17:06:18] <CaptHindsight> no Wheezy repo so I forced it in using the testing repo
[17:08:27] <CaptHindsight> bbl
[17:08:43] <MrFluffy> CaptHindsight: I cloned the psha git repos and built it
[17:08:48] <MrFluffy> not very well it seems
[17:09:55] <MrFluffy> I followed that page in the wiki but balked at adding testing to apt sources
[17:11:14] <Deejay> gn8
[17:14:56] <XXCoder1> look alive!
[17:15:19] <Crom> don't wanna
[17:15:45] <XXCoder1> ZOMBIE!!
[17:50:34] <tjtr33> gnite
[17:54:58] <XXCoder1> real time lol http://www.gadgethovel.com/?comic=hard-core-kerbal-space-prgram
[18:12:15] <malcom2073> That's like those people who refuse to use a mouse
[18:12:30] <malcom2073> Tools? Psh... tools are for pussies. Real men use their hands to do things.
[18:12:31] <malcom2073> :P
[18:12:33] <MrFluffy> I dont use a mouse...
[18:12:55] <XXCoder1> I use fancyass mouse
[18:13:02] <MrFluffy> trackball here
[18:13:03] <malcom2073> What's a fancy assmouse?
[18:13:19] <XXCoder1> exactly that
[18:14:39] <MrFluffy> Ok, I am overthinking camview with opencv and all fancy stuff, I just want a image from my cam in a tab, so Ive embedded mplayer and it works, but it runs all the time even when the tab is not highlighted. Theres no fix for that is there...
[18:15:53] <zeeshan> fuck i hate this brass nonsense
[18:15:58] <zeeshan> its got tons of residual stress in it
[18:16:04] <zeeshan> asap i fly cut it
[18:16:07] <zeeshan> it lifts up.
[18:16:12] <zeeshan> like after i remove it from the vise
[18:16:16] <MrFluffy> are you still doing those butterflies then?
[18:16:21] <zeeshan> rofl yea
[18:16:25] <zeeshan> im gonna have to do em another way
[18:16:29] <MrFluffy> tried supergluing them into the fixture?
[18:16:45] <MrFluffy> I have to superglue things onto my mag chuck because its poorly
[18:17:33] <zeeshan> im gonna just bolt them down to a solid plate
[18:17:37] <zeeshan> and force them square
[18:17:40] <zeeshan> i mean flat
[18:17:52] <zeeshan> ill work on it tomorrow :P
[18:17:57] <MrFluffy> I still would make the edges square, they dont actually close in use you know...
[18:18:04] <MrFluffy> ever
[18:18:18] <MrFluffy> theres a mechanical hard stop on the linkages stops that
[18:18:22] <zeeshan> well i already lapped them
[18:18:28] <zeeshan> one of the butterflies to make it smooth
[18:18:34] <zeeshan> in the factory condition, they were closed
[18:18:40] <zeeshan> you couldnt get water through them
[18:18:49] <MrFluffy> is this for a engine intake?
[18:18:56] <zeeshan> butterfly for a throttle body for an engine yes
[18:19:06] <MrFluffy> the idle adjust screw holds them open
[18:19:09] <MrFluffy> or the engine cant idle
[18:19:20] <zeeshan> its got a stepper motor
[18:19:22] <zeeshan> for air bypass
[18:19:41] <zeeshan> it doesnt use the butterflies for idle
[18:19:45] <MrFluffy> IAC ok, I dont run them, there be dragons for me
[18:19:50] <zeeshan> haha
[18:19:50] <MrFluffy> I just have screws I set on everything
[18:20:55] <MrFluffy> Ill go look at a car body with a iac on it after, Im sure it still has a mechanical hard stop
[18:25:23] <zeeshan> it does
[18:25:24] <zeeshan> youre right
[18:26:03] <MrFluffy> Im not too concerned with idle quality so I just wind the stop up myself, but I do race motors
[18:27:05] <MrFluffy> that sounds a bit er, of a floral description. I am a mad tinkerer in a shed playing with a engine for my race bike
[18:27:42] <MrFluffy> So stupid I have three throttle bodies... http://gallery.pipandphil.com/d/38671-1/bike_with_shifter.jpg
[18:28:22] <Tom_itx> zeeshan got the part figured out?
[18:28:51] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: no
[18:28:52] <Tom_itx> i need to get spindle orient and rigid tapping figured out this evening
[18:28:53] <zeeshan> massive failure
[18:28:57] <Tom_itx> how so?
[18:28:58] <zeeshan> brass had too much residual stress
[18:29:03] <zeeshan> it bent up after i faced it
[18:29:09] <zeeshan> (whjen i removed from vise)
[18:29:13] <Tom_itx> was that a brass part?
[18:29:15] <zeeshan> mrec: that is COOL
[18:29:19] <MrFluffy> arent they flat stampings originally?
[18:29:20] <zeeshan> MrFluffy: i mean
[18:29:28] <zeeshan> im machining them out of rolled flat bar
[18:29:32] <zeeshan> 3/16 by 3"
[18:29:59] <MrFluffy> I think theyre thinner because you want them to bend if you have a intake explosion for some reason
[18:30:09] <Tom_itx> it's been so long i'm gonna have to review my setup again... :(
[18:30:17] <zeeshan> ;p
[18:30:22] <zeeshan> ill work on it maybe later tonight or tomorrow
[18:30:26] <zeeshan> gotta go to a stag and doe :/
[18:30:33] <zeeshan> cu guys
[18:30:45] <Tom_itx> same here, gonna go enjoy the evening a bit first
[19:00:00] <norias> hi
[19:15:44] <MrFluffy> hello norias
[19:17:45] <t12> i think i'm just going to buy this weiss lathe
[19:43:25] <Connor> t12: what lathe ?
[19:44:09] <t12> precision mattews thing
[19:44:17] <t12> pm-1228vf-lb
[19:44:33] <t12> which appears to be a better configured pm-1127vf-lb
[19:45:20] <Connor> I was looking at some of the 10x22 and 10x30 models..
[19:54:37] <membiblio> Good Evening
[19:57:02] <membiblio> Has anyone used a AC Servo Drive for the X,Y,Z axis such as the Yaskawa SGDB-15VD?
[19:58:11] <membiblio> If so... how did you connect to LinuxCNC - through Parport pins? Using step and direction, or other config?
[20:00:05] <ffurrywol> do your servos want step/direction or 0-10v? if step/dir, you could use parallel. if 0-10v, mesa boards are the standard answer here.
[20:13:39] <membiblio> I wish I knew what these devices 'took' in... the D in the part number means that it is capable of Torque, Speed and Position Control.
[20:14:10] <membiblio> There are no obvious Step and Direction input pins.
[20:16:55] <ffurrywol> that probably means 0-10v or -10v-10v
[20:17:06] <membiblio> There are, however, on CN2 pins such as PULS CW (A phase), SIGN CCW (B Phase), CLR and these are called "Position Reference" and are specific and separate from the CN1 Optical Encoder input from the motor.
[20:17:56] <membiblio> These appear to be digital inputs as they terminate at the led side of a opto isolator in the drawing of the box.
[20:18:37] <ffurrywol> the manual is 8MB, so it'll be a while before I can read it for you.
[20:19:28] <membiblio> How do you connect to the internet?
[20:19:49] <membiblio> Not that it is any of my business, right?
[20:19:52] <membiblio> :)
[20:20:08] <Tom_itx> telegraph
[20:20:24] <ffurrywol> slowly. :P
[20:20:52] <membiblio> Wow. I remember Decwriter terminals but only played with telegraph machines. I think 110baud?
[20:21:11] <membiblio> Maybe I could just read the manual to you.
[20:21:49] <membiblio> This machine is a routech 250 with a num 1040w controller which interfaces directly to these boxes.
[20:22:24] <ffurrywol> you want a speed signal, which can be +/-1v to +/-10v range, input on the "speed reference input" terminal, "v-ref", relative to the "sg" ground, from my reading of the manual.
[20:22:24] <membiblio> I'm replacing that with LinuxCNC/EMC2 - maybe.
[20:23:01] <membiblio> Furry - How did the originall controller specify a absolute position - I wonder?
[20:23:50] <membiblio> Remember that these control the X, Y, Z Axis. They must be absolutely precise. Right?
[20:24:09] <membiblio> Am I not 'getting' something?
[20:24:21] <ffurrywol> "cn-2b" should be set to "0" for "speed control", "1cn-41" selecting P or PI speed loop mode.
[20:24:42] <ffurrywol> generally there's an encoder on the motor that goes to the control system
[20:25:10] <membiblio> There is a encoder but it goes back into this control. The SGDB-15VD.
[20:25:48] <membiblio> Furry which manual are you looking at? Can you post the url?
[20:26:19] <ffurrywol> you can also use "position reference mode", in which case it looks like PULS and SIGN are step/dir inputs
[20:26:20] <membiblio> I'm reading INSTRUCTIONS and then I also have a DIgital Operator Operation Manual.
[20:26:40] <membiblio> Really??? Where do you see that please?
[20:27:39] <membiblio> Those three pins... PULS, SIGN, CLR must be configurable via the display module.
[20:27:44] <ffurrywol> grrrr. stupid fucking google making it intentionally hard to get the url.
[20:30:13] <MrFluffy> on my yaskawa servopacks the controls are intergrated into the units, but no idea how to hook them up to linuxcnc sorry
[20:30:14] <membiblio> I see in the operator manual Control Method Selection - Position Control (Pulse Train Reference)
[20:30:45] <MrFluffy> its salient because theres two on the desk next to me right now, but not from a machine running linuxcnc
[20:30:47] <membiblio> MfFluffy - I'm hoping this bad boy takes in step and direction.
[20:31:13] <ffurrywol> http://www1.yaskawa.com/site/dmservo.nsf/link2/MNEN-5CLKHC/$file/TSE-S800-16E.pdf
[20:31:31] <membiblio> It is infinately configurable - but the magic sauce escapes me at this moment.
[20:31:48] <membiblio> Thanks furry I will take a look at what you are looking at.
[20:31:58] <ffurrywol> this manual is one of the most obtusely written I've seen.
[20:33:20] <membiblio> Furry - thank you. I had not seen this before. It is 585 pages so SHOULD have absolutely every answer I could concievably ever think of a question to ask. Right?
[20:34:23] <ffurrywol> yes
[20:34:30] <ffurrywol> just be warned it's written like crap. lol
[20:36:55] <furrywolf> the general suggestion I've seen is to use a mesa board with +/-10v output and have linuxcnc close the position loop
[20:37:22] <membiblio> PP 37 shows Pulse and direction. Boingo.
[20:37:34] <MrFluffy> its written in japanese then translated by someone that doesnt know servo drives in english
[20:40:01] <furrywolf> and who also doesn't know that introducing a new non-obvious term with no definition, especially if it's one applicable only to your product, isn't helpful. nor is using non-standard names for everything.
[20:41:13] <furrywolf> membiblio: the most important part is, when testing, have the motors disconnected from the machine. servo configuration has a ~100% chance of sending at least one axis flying full-speed until it hits something.
[20:42:08] <membiblio> I was just reading and thinking about that. I was hoping to run the servos manually Monday via the operator interface in Jog mode.
[20:42:27] <membiblio> After that I guess I really should physically disconnect them from the machine.
[20:42:53] <MrFluffy> wont you get an error on the control?
[20:43:02] <membiblio> It is a gantry machine and I'm assuming it could be asked to damage itself. So....
[20:43:14] <MrFluffy> I get a heat error if the servopack tries to move a servo motor and it doesnt respond
[20:43:35] <furrywolf> if there's no feedback past the motors (most machines have none other than limit switches), it won't know if the motors are actually turning anything.
[20:43:42] <membiblio> The Servo Control has a Operator Interface that plugs into the front that can jog the motor.
[20:43:58] <MrFluffy> furrywolf: they are connected to the encoder on the motor
[20:44:13] <membiblio> The motor has a optical feedback encoder back to the control.
[20:44:16] <MrFluffy> the servopack asks the motor to move then checks the motor is doing what it is told from the encoder readings
[20:44:20] <furrywolf> MrFluffy: I mean mechanically disconnecting the motors from the machine, not electrically. loosen shaft coupler, or remove the motor, etc.
[20:44:32] <MrFluffy> ok, that would work
[20:44:38] <furrywolf> so the motor and encoder rotate, but no heavy bits move around
[20:44:46] <membiblio> Yes - after jogging - I will physically disconnect the motors from the machine. Before testing with LinuxCNC.
[20:44:57] <membiblio> Good Advice. Thank you.
[20:45:19] <membiblio> Wow, this could actually work.
[20:45:55] <membiblio> I am really impressed with LinuxCNC. The manual is excellent.
[20:46:04] <furrywolf> if you use step/direction mode, you should be pretty safe. if you use speed control mode, then you get a good chance of things randomizing.
[20:46:32] <furrywolf> note that parallel port control generally sucks, and for a machine classy enough to have servos, a mesa board is probably a good idea.
[20:47:35] <membiblio> Furry - I hear you. I'd like to get *something* working and see how it works. So this seems like it has some chance of success.
[20:48:02] <membiblio> When something works. Then I can experiment and optimise.
[20:48:54] <membiblio> So... has anyone built LinuxCNC from Scratch or modified the code?
[20:49:16] <CaptHindsight> yes
[20:51:03] <membiblio> Is there a easy to follow proceedure? Can you do it by installing from the live CD base?
[20:51:18] <MrFluffy> CaptHindsight: I gave up trying to get camview-emc working, but as a horrible workaround I have mplayer with a cross drawn on the image in a user tab for now...
[20:54:02] <MrFluffy> membiblio: theres a installer on the live cd base
[20:54:56] <membiblio> MrFluffy - That is what I used. From Live CD -> Installed to HD. Is gcc and tools and source of LinuxCNC installed or must that me installed by Git'ing?
[20:56:00] <MrFluffy> its debian underneath so you can use apt-get or aptitude to install binaries as you see fit, I have no clue what the ubuntu one comes with as I started with the debian image off the bat
[20:57:04] <furrywolf> zeeshan: you around?
[21:03:58] <MrFluffy> I think I need to brush the swarf up :) http://gallery.pipandphil.com/v/Vehicles/workshop/?g2_page=6&g2_showId=38788
[21:04:15] <MrFluffy> http://gallery.pipandphil.com/d/38788-1/supereyes.jpg even
[21:04:35] <furrywolf> I need to vacuum the swarf off my living room floor.
[21:05:03] <MrFluffy> thats not a bad quality when you consider theres not actually any lighting on in the shop currently
[21:05:06] <furrywolf> but there's too much crap around and under the workbench to do so
[21:07:42] <furrywolf> argh, my connection is sucking even worse than usual tonight. I'm uploading two images for zeeshan. I started them at the same time I asked if he was around. I'm halfway done with the first one.
[21:10:06] <Jymmm> http://imgur.com/MZ7ILIF
[21:11:40] <furrywolf> I don't know what's worse... that you did that, or that it took 30 seconds to load.
[21:11:49] <furrywolf> yay! upload finally finished.
[21:12:26] <Jymmm> lil column A, lil column B.
[21:12:49] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/yardsalecutters01.jpg http://fw.bushytails.net/yardsalecutters02.jpg box of 10 rotabroach cutters. I'm fairly sure one of them is a 3/4 cobalt roughing endmill, not a rotabroach cutter, but it was in the box, so that's fine with me!
[21:13:33] <furrywolf> we were talking about annular cutters yesterday, and thanks to the miracle of coincidence, I now own 9 more. lol
[21:13:41] <Jymmm> Is there a SIMPLE way to determine where a thread would finish?
[21:13:51] <Jymmm> (tapping)
[21:13:58] <furrywolf> yes. run it and see.
[21:14:16] <Jymmm> blind hole essencially
[21:14:46] <furrywolf> annular cutters rock. :)
[21:20:38] <MrFluffy> ugh, you know when two of something comes up for auction, and you want at least one so you bid both with fairly low bids?
[21:20:53] <MrFluffy> it seems I am now the owner of TWO machine xy tables...
[21:22:44] <furrywolf> yep, have had that happen.
[21:23:13] <furrywolf> jbidwatcher used to have multisnipe groups that would automatically take care of it for you.
[21:23:21] <furrywolf> as long as they were more than 3 seconds apart or so
[21:23:34] <MrFluffy> two seperate accounts, in different countries
[21:23:47] <MrFluffy> both locked to local sales only
[21:24:12] <furrywolf> .... then why did you bid on them?
[21:24:17] <MrFluffy> dont ask me how Im getting the one from the UK here though. Might be time for my annual disowning by the mother in law
[21:25:39] <furrywolf> hrmm, I need to get a chuck off, and I can't find a big honkin' allen key.
[21:28:20] <MrFluffy> the UK one Ill get couriered to the mother in laws then take the kids over to the uk to visit in the van being the dutiful father than I am...
[21:28:45] <MrFluffy> hunt down a surface table while opportunity knocks...
[21:29:10] * archivist hides his surface table
[21:31:37] <MrFluffy> if you can hide it that easy, its not quite the size Im aiming to snag!
[21:31:55] <XXCoder1> easy
[21:32:16] <XXCoder1> use nice table cover on top of Surface lol
[21:32:18] <archivist> I will leave the rusty one in site though
[21:32:20] <furrywolf> tips for getting off a stuck drill chuck? it should just unscrew with application of sufficient impact, right?
[21:32:30] <archivist> sight
[21:32:37] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: try angle it
[21:32:42] <XXCoder1> light tap
[21:32:44] <furrywolf> hrmm, impact... I bet I can tighten it onto a allen socket and run my impact wrench on it...
[21:33:12] <MrFluffy> is it on a jacobs taper?
[21:33:38] <roycroft> he said "unscrew" so i would assume it's a threaded chuck
[21:33:57] <roycroft> and good luck with that
[21:34:02] <archivist> tying to unscrew a taper is hard
[21:34:16] * furrywolf hands roycroft the "yay, someone actually read the question!" award
[21:34:20] <roycroft> the chuck has been on my 1/2" milwaukee magnum drill for about 25 years now, because i can't get it off
[21:34:20] <archivist> chuck off what?
[21:34:34] <furrywolf> I've been beating on an allen key with no success. trying an impact wrench now.
[21:34:42] <roycroft> i ended up buying another drill to put the right angle head on
[21:35:07] <roycroft> i distorted the chuck key sockets on mine from beating on it so hard
[21:36:05] <archivist> think about the poor bearings you are hitting too
[21:36:31] <MrFluffy> very large stilsons time
[21:36:46] <furrywolf> yay! that worked exceptionally well.
[21:37:16] <roycroft> there's more than one reason i gave up and bought another drill
[21:37:23] <XXCoder1> impact wrench eh
[21:37:23] <furrywolf> I tightened the chuck down on a 7/16" hex 1/2" drive allen bit, and ran my impact wrench on it. about half a second and it was free.
[21:38:07] <furrywolf> I'm pulling the chuck off a poor-condition yard sale drill to put on my milwaukee right angle drill that I bought missing the chuck
[21:38:34] <furrywolf> it's a usable drill, but I need the right-angle drill more. heh.
[21:38:50] <roycroft> i hardly use mine anymore
[21:39:01] <Tom_itx> crap. motion.spindle-speed-in is in rps and motion-spindle-speed-out is in rpm
[21:39:02] <roycroft> i originally got the right angle adapter for my magnum
[21:39:26] <roycroft> so when i could no longer get the chuck off i just bought another magnum, put the right angle adapter on it, and left it that way
[21:39:40] <furrywolf> lol
[21:40:04] <roycroft> i used to do a fair amount of electrical and plumbing work
[21:40:12] <roycroft> not enough to justify getting a hole hawg
[21:40:26] <roycroft> but enough that i needed a decent right angle drill on a regular basis
[21:40:47] <roycroft> i still need one once in a while, but to get in really tight places
[21:41:04] <roycroft> so i have a 12v milwaukee right angle battery drill for that kind of stuff
[21:41:15] <roycroft> which i use far more often than i ever thought i would
[21:41:43] <furrywolf> I saw a hole hawg at a yard sale today. in high speed the chuck spun freely, in low speed it slightly attempted to grab something. I decided I did not need it.
[21:41:49] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: so whats your plan for rest of drill lol
[21:42:02] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/easydrillchuckremoval01.jpg
[21:42:15] <furrywolf> XXCoder1: toss it in a box in case I need a spare drill
[21:42:23] <XXCoder1> cool
[21:42:34] <roycroft> i don't think i ever tried an impact wrench on a chucked up allen socket
[21:42:37] <XXCoder1> or motor for something else
[21:42:43] <XXCoder1> like homebrew lathe lil
[21:42:48] <roycroft> now i'm going to have to go try that to see if i can get the damn thing off
[21:43:05] <furrywolf> I've never tried it before either. it worked REALLY WELL.
[21:43:11] <MrFluffy> live tooling spindle motor for the lathe :)
[21:43:17] <roycroft> yes, as soon as you said it it made total sense
[21:43:32] <roycroft> ok, i have to go try that
[21:43:39] <XXCoder1> MrFluffy: theres guide online on how to use drill to make a fairly crappy lathe lol
[21:43:42] <roycroft> and it really has been at least 25 years since i've had the chuck off
[21:43:48] <XXCoder1> diamter limit maybe 2 inches
[21:44:45] <Jymmm> I just wanted the barb to point in a specific direction is all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDkL593Wbt0
[21:45:16] <Jymmm> Technically, just away from the handle
[21:45:56] <MrFluffy> I have a ex grinder motor mounted on a toolholder block to drive a spindle in my lathe, poormans live tooling
[21:48:55] <MrFluffy> I have to hide it when electrical safety minded people visit... http://gallery.pipandphil.com/d/38791-1/homemade_tpg_mounted.jpg
[21:51:31] <MrFluffy> apparently wrapping self amagamating tape round the burny electrical bits isnt code or something.
[21:54:52] <furrywolf> lol
[21:56:58] <furrywolf> I wanted the hole hawg... but I didn't need one with a completely stripped gearbox. heh.
[21:57:56] <roycroft> well that did not work
[21:58:01] <furrywolf> I have a sherline lathe, and my shoptask is a mill/lathe combo... a drill lathe would not be a useful addition to my tool collection. it'd have lower capacities than my sherline in every way, and suck too.
[21:58:25] <roycroft> i haven't dumped any penetrating oil in it for 2 1/2 decades though
[21:58:29] <XXCoder1> yeah its not too bad for person who dont have lathe and want to make small thing
[21:58:36] <furrywolf> did you use the "unscrew" direction? do you now need a new gearbox? :)
[21:58:40] <roycroft> perhaps if i did that and let it soak in for a couple days and tried again
[21:58:51] <s1dev> What setting controls the orientation for the tool representation in the visualizer? I'm using linuxcnc for the control for a 5 axis router
[21:58:54] <roycroft> the drill still works fine - i tested it after
[21:58:55] <furrywolf> did you use a large enough impact wrench? :)
[21:59:04] <s1dev> right now it's showing 90 degrees off where it should be
[21:59:06] <roycroft> i used a beefy 1/2" impact wrench
[21:59:10] <MrFluffy> Ive been there chasing the drill with a big bolt in round the floor many moons ago, its amazing what you come up with when you have nothing an dno money...
[21:59:12] <roycroft> and a 1/2" allen socket
[21:59:29] <furrywolf> then you need a larger impact wrench! if the chuck didn't come off, and the gears still have teeth, your impact wrench wasn't big enough.
[21:59:34] <XXCoder1> what country accepts dno money? ;)
[21:59:46] <roycroft> sadly, i don't have a 1" to 1/2" impact adapter
[21:59:52] <roycroft> otherwise i'd use my 1" impact wrench
[21:59:58] <MrFluffy> synergy being a bit random, or I cant type, one or the other
[22:00:08] <roycroft> iirc it has 1200 ft*lbs of torque
[22:00:16] <furrywolf> I have impact wrenches to 1" in both air and electric. I suspect either the chuck comes off or the gears do. :)
[22:00:31] <roycroft> i know it makes my compressor run frequently
[22:00:36] <furrywolf> sounds about right. I think that's what my air one is rated for.
[22:00:40] <roycroft> 5hp compressor with 60 gallon tank
[22:00:54] <XXCoder1> mill your own adoptor?
[22:00:55] <roycroft> i keep it set to 140psi
[22:01:01] <furrywolf> note that you need a 3/4" hose to actually get that torque! if you run it through a 3/8 hose, it's WORSE than a 3/4" impact.
[22:01:13] <furrywolf> a 1/2 hose is adequate but not great
[22:01:17] <roycroft> yeah, and my hoses are 1/2"
[22:01:28] <roycroft> but i still drain the air tank quickly
[22:01:40] <furrywolf> I've tried running mine off a 3/8" hose, and it's humorous.
[22:01:58] <roycroft> since i have a spare magnum with the right angle adapter on it i think i'll just give up again for another quarter century
[22:02:12] <roycroft> by which time if i'm not dead i'll be too old to be able to lift the drill anyway
[22:02:15] <MrFluffy> you could always machine the old chuck off roy
[22:02:23] <furrywolf> it kinda attempts to give a burst of speed, then slows down to about 1/10th proper speed.
[22:02:38] <roycroft> or do what i did 25 years ago, and buy another drill
[22:02:42] <MrFluffy> get it down to a thin wall thickness then crack the remnants
[22:02:45] <roycroft> the chuck is perfectly fine on this one
[22:02:48] <furrywolf> I need to put a new power cord on my 1" electric impact.
[22:02:59] <roycroft> it just won't come off
[22:03:06] <MrFluffy> when I first got my lathe the chuck hadnt been off in eons I think, and I had to machine the backplate off the nose
[22:03:12] <roycroft> and i don't need to take it off, now that i have a spare with the right angle adapter
[22:03:18] <furrywolf> the current cord is... sketchy. bare copper = bad.
[22:03:32] <roycroft> i only tried it now because
[22:04:01] <furrywolf> harbor freight's impact adapter set isn't bad, and for something like $6 will get you 1" to 3/4" and 3/4" to 1/2".
[22:04:10] <roycroft> they don't put those twist lock cords on milwaukee tools any more
[22:04:27] <roycroft> i always liked those
[22:04:44] <furrywolf> I saw a sawzall with the twist-lock cord today, same yard sale as the broken hole hawg... it didn't work either.
[22:05:02] <roycroft> what i especially liked is that the tools came with 6' cords but you could buy a 15' cord
[22:05:13] <furrywolf> no sign of life. checked brushes and plug, still no sign of life.
[22:05:15] <roycroft> so you could use that and avoid using an extension cord for most things
[22:05:43] <roycroft> or even when you still need an extension cord, you could reach the ceiling with the tool and the plug would still be on the floor, so it wouldn't come unplugged easily
[22:05:48] <furrywolf> windings didn't look burnt, so guessing bad speed control.
[22:06:09] <furrywolf> I got a funny look from the guy at the sale when I pulled out my multitool and popped the brushes in about five seconds. lol
[22:06:21] <roycroft> squirt some wd-40 on it and try again
[22:06:25] <roycroft> that fixes almost everything :P
[22:06:27] <furrywolf> I didn't buy it.
[22:06:34] <roycroft> oh, this is the one you didn't get
[22:06:39] <furrywolf> and wd40 probably doesn't fix blown transistors.
[22:06:57] <roycroft> it doesn't put the magic smoke back in
[22:06:59] <roycroft> nothing does that
[22:07:08] <roycroft> sometimes it makes new magic smoke for you though
[22:07:12] <roycroft> which is always fun
[22:07:23] <XXCoder1> lol
[22:07:45] <MrFluffy> I think thats from the lucas wiring manual
[22:07:46] <s1dev> can anyone point me in the right direction for tool orientation (angle) in the visualizer?
[22:07:51] <furrywolf> google lucas replacement smoke. I'd google it and paste something, but my connection is still trying to load the video someone pasted above, and google won't load.
[22:09:27] <roycroft> i avoid google, but duck duck go found it
[22:09:45] <roycroft> too much to read right now though - i have to go fix dinner
[22:09:49] <roycroft> and shoot some more paint
[22:09:50] * furrywolf cancels the video
[22:09:55] <roycroft> i'll read it later on this evening
[22:09:56] <furrywolf> seems to be some crap about honda gas caps
[22:10:22] <XXCoder1> yeah and hose connection on it
[22:10:27] <XXCoder1> no idea whats up with that
[22:11:26] <furrywolf> http://www.harborfreight.com/7-pc-impact-socket-adapter-set-67937.html that impact adapter set is pretty useful
[22:11:31] <furrywolf> and I haven't broken any of them yet.
[22:11:37] <archivist> s1dev, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/lathe/lathe-user.html
[22:12:21] <furrywolf> roycroft: you say nothing puts the smoke back in... but http://www.keithbloom.com/vgvanilla/discussion/4/lucas-replacement-wiring-harness-smoke-kit/p1 !
[22:15:24] <roycroft> i believe that's british smoke, furrywolf
[22:15:32] <roycroft> and we're talking about an american drill
[22:15:55] <furrywolf> lol
[22:16:16] <roycroft> it would either be imperial smoke or, if it's recent, metric smoke
[22:16:18] <s1dev> archivist: that's as pertains to a lathe, is it the same for a mill?
[22:16:24] <MrFluffy> lucas is pre metric so it should be compatible
[22:16:38] <furrywolf> lucas smoke is probably whitworth.
[22:16:58] <roycroft> putting that in a us customary drill might be dangerous
[22:18:17] <MrFluffy> landrovers used lucas oem, and on the 90 the rear wings were held on with metric fixings and the front ones with imperial, and to source brake flexy lines you had to measure the pitch because nobody was quite sure which cars got fitted with which parts for a couple of years.
[22:18:19] <roycroft> remember - an imperial gallon of smoke is 1.2 us gallons of smoke
[22:18:27] <norias> good point
[22:18:59] <furrywolf> hrmm, but british cars emit a lot more than 1.2 times the smoke as american cars.
[22:19:08] <norias> huh
[22:19:12] <norias> i didn't know that
[22:20:11] <furrywolf> subaru oil pressure sensors are british pipe thread, if you want odd usage of british standards in other things...
[22:20:45] <MrFluffy> heh plumbing fittings here in france are in bsp and sized in nominally fractional sizes
[22:20:56] <furrywolf> france, the land of metric?
[22:21:18] <MrFluffy> indeed, and you get sold a 15/21 fitting and it has 3/4 cast onto the body
[22:21:52] * furrywolf bets when confronted with opposition to metricification of plumbing standards, the french government surrendered. </bad american joke>
[22:22:25] <norias> that was really bad
[22:22:33] <MrFluffy> they probably demanded it got renamed to metric sizes, but theres always oddments to catch you out, you cant buy 15mm pipe, only 12 or 14
[22:23:02] <furrywolf> lol
[22:23:39] <furrywolf> I always get annoyed when datasheets list pins on 2.54mm spacing... I mean, really, the standard is 0.1in.
[22:23:54] <furrywolf> pretending it's metric doesn't make it metric.
[22:24:29] <MrFluffy> I prefer metric, but units are units. You can measure in furlongs per bushel as long as it works
[22:24:55] <furrywolf> lol
[22:25:04] <MrFluffy> the irony is the si unit of measure is the mm and metre, but the french use the cm
[22:25:27] <archivist> s1dev, on a mill it depends how you set up, 3,4,5 axis and what is mounted on what
[22:25:31] <MrFluffy> so you ask for some stock 800 long and get rather odd looks.
[22:25:35] <furrywolf> my car gets 1638 furlongs per bushel. my truck only gets 596 fpb. :(
[22:26:07] <norias> as far a machining goes
[22:26:16] <s1dev> archivist: 5 axis gantry style machine
[22:26:25] <norias> i don't see the big deal over metric vs. imperial
[22:26:35] <norias> my calculator works fine
[22:26:44] <norias> i always feel like i'm missing something in that debate
[22:26:53] <furrywolf> my other car got 2309fpb, but I haven't measured it with its new engine yet.
[22:26:56] <s1dev> archivist: first rotary axis rotates around Z and when that's at 0 then the second rotates around X
[22:27:58] <MrFluffy> I was brought up in the UK using both systems, but the schools went metric just as I went to engineering college, so Im easy. but I still know my height in feet and inches, its just people clinging to what they are familiar with
[22:28:21] <s1dev> archivist: both rotary axes are on the spindle
[22:28:27] <furrywolf> metric is essentially non-existant here except for repairing foreign cars.
[22:28:47] <furrywolf> metric hardware is a few small bins hidden behind everything else in the hardware store
[22:28:54] <archivist> s1dev, look at your ini, the axis order xyzabc change that to the order yours are stacked
[22:29:14] <MrFluffy> I would wager in large international manufacturers its not
[22:29:47] <norias> last company i as at
[22:29:55] <norias> everything was designed in metric
[22:30:04] <norias> because it was supposed to be international
[22:30:10] <furrywolf> any metric hardware not extremely common has to be ordered through the local industrial automation shop, and it's ungodly expensive. I always go online.
[22:30:16] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: the EU2000 only has a one gallon tank. Modifying the cap allows you to extend your runtime without shutting off the generator to refuel.
[22:30:17] <norias> and at first, folks would bring me dual dimensioned prints
[22:30:25] <norias> which i dislike more than metric
[22:30:30] <XXCoder1> ahh cool
[22:30:34] <furrywolf> we had to order some flywheel bolts through a specialty fastener company, because metric is hard to get.
[22:30:34] <norias> so i got them to just do metric
[22:30:48] <norias> then i got them to stop making prints
[22:30:52] <furrywolf> you want HARDENED METRIC?!?! we don't sell none o' that commie shit here!
[22:30:53] <norias> because it was prototypes
[22:31:02] <norias> and prints took too long
[22:31:08] <norias> for something that might not work
[22:32:26] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: You can buy a $40 special cap off ebay, or what that video showed was modificing your existing cap with the abality to return it to stock if you want.
[22:32:29] <norias> sorry, rambling
[22:32:51] <MrFluffy> I have a friend whos a buyer for a large truck company and they would not source tools or equipment that didnt come with metric fasteners because of the economies of scale they can get buying for the entire group
[22:33:17] <furrywolf> I need to make my diesel generator more useful. it's unacceptably loud, by several orders of magnitude.
[22:33:35] <furrywolf> you can't hear someone yelling near you within 25ft of it.
[22:33:59] <XXCoder1> egg carton foam
[22:34:15] <Jymmm> I can have mine running on full, and talk in a normal level with someone 5ft away, it's awfully quiet.
[22:35:09] <s1dev> archivist: since there's two rotary axes, A and C, currently it's XYZAC, since C rotates A, would the proper order by XYZCA ?
[22:35:15] <furrywolf> it's an odd generator. it's a balmar marine alternator bolted to a yanmar 5hp diesel, and puts out 24V 100A.
[22:36:43] <furrywolf> my eu3000is is nice and quiet too, but it's less efficient.
[22:37:11] <furrywolf> both a less-efficient engine and fuel (gas vs diesel), and it goes dc -> ac -> dc -> batteries, rather than dc -> batteries.
[22:37:33] <MrFluffy> gas doesnt have storage issues long term though...
[22:37:52] <furrywolf> MrFluffy: I see you've never stored gas.
[22:38:05] <Jymmm> MrFluffy: ever hear of gum up?
[22:38:20] <MrFluffy> gas as in lpg, not gas as in petrol
[22:38:38] <furrywolf> modern gas stores like crap. the ethanol (10% of the mix) absorbs water even worse than diesel does.
[22:38:39] <MrFluffy> I know about petrol and having to dose it with stabil after more than a few weeks :)
[22:38:44] <XXCoder1> isnt gas gave like 2 years life
[22:38:55] <XXCoder1> I know I have ran bad gas onb my mower lol
[22:39:02] <furrywolf> ok, in this country, "gas" means what you call petrol. :P
[22:39:05] <MrFluffy> I like generators that run on bottled gas, is what I meant
[22:39:20] <MrFluffy> because theyre always ready to go
[22:39:24] <XXCoder1> know what I want?
[22:39:26] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: I don't like to store that long, wil fille car, then refill cans.
[22:39:27] <XXCoder1> grass fueled mower
[22:39:32] <furrywolf> except our petrol is full of ethanol and sucks.
[22:39:42] <MrFluffy> theyre called goats XXCoder1...
[22:39:49] <furrywolf> lol
[22:39:51] <XXCoder1> MrFluffy: lol less poppy version then
[22:39:56] <XXCoder1> *poopy
[22:40:03] <MrFluffy> sheep?
[22:40:54] <furrywolf> you can try building a grass-gas generator and see if it'll run a motor... it'd be like a wood gas generator, but would have to deal with lots of moisture in the fuel source...
[22:41:19] <XXCoder1> grass gas probably but pretty lot work
[22:41:52] <MrFluffy> they harvest methane from waste matter here on a macro scale on farms now
[22:42:00] <furrywolf> feed the grass to a horse; use horse to pull reel mower.
[22:42:26] <archivist> s1dev, are AC rotating Z then try XYACZ
[22:44:09] <s1dev> archivist: the rotary axes are stacked ontop of the linear ones, pretty much if you took a 3 axis machine and added 2 rotary axes to the spindle
[22:49:07] <s1dev> archivist: why can't I do XYZCA since it's specified in the config as a 5 axis machine, it assumes that the 5th axis is B
[22:49:31] <Tom_itx> how would i adjust the scale between the spindle and z axis on sync moves?
[22:49:38] <Tom_itx> z is a stepper
[22:49:58] <Tom_itx> somewhere it seems the relationship between the two is off by quite a bit
[22:52:04] <s1dev> archivist: and crashes if a C axis is specified
[22:52:51] <archivist> what version are you running
[22:53:20] <s1dev> 2.7pre6
[22:53:34] <MrFluffy> Tom_itx: its a fixed function of the pitch and the drive ratio defined in your ini file by the SCALE isnt it?
[22:54:13] <archivist> s1dev, should be documented somewhere how this works, bug if it crashes
[22:54:34] <furrywolf> crashing is always a bug
[22:54:37] <Tom_itx> MrFluffy, i'm not sure.
[22:54:46] <Tom_itx> i have the axis scale set correctly
[22:55:04] <Tom_itx> i am currently adding code for motion sync for rigid tapping
[22:55:15] <Tom_itx> just finished the spindle pwm code
[22:55:53] <archivist> s1dev, geometry in http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_config.html
[22:57:08] <archivist> s1dev, 2.7 bugs need finding very soon as about to be released
[22:57:14] <Tom_itx> it looks pretty crappy right now but here's my current config (extra test code etc left in): http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/sherline.hal
[22:57:37] <Tom_itx> this is on 2.7 btw
[22:58:28] <Tom_itx> the Z axis seems to move way too slow for the spindle rpms
[22:58:48] <Tom_itx> no hardware hooked up but watching the DRO etc on the screen
[22:59:05] <Tom_itx> control is being bench tested with the spindle wired to it
[22:59:46] <MrFluffy> Tom_itx: sorry I misunderstood your question. Its late I need to sleep Im afraid
[23:00:05] <MrFluffy> gnite all, or good morning rather.
[23:05:48] <Tom_itx> in order to get the spindle rpm close to the commanded speed the scale on it had to be quite high imo
[23:06:35] <Tom_itx> i don't know if that affects the sync motion or not or if it goes from the actual encoder rpm
[23:06:48] <Tom_itx> also the encoder is quadrature
[23:14:42] <Tom_itx> 500cpr with scale set to 2000 for quad
[23:24:26] <_methods> +
[23:25:33] <Tom_itx> some scale is off but i can't seem to find it.
[23:33:11] * furrywolf curls up and yawns
[23:45:44] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime