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[01:14:04] <harold> a nanotech grinding machine has a purported 8 picometer linear feedback resolution
[01:14:07] <harold> what does that mean
[01:31:40] <archivist> harold, very high resolution feedback
[01:33:27] <harold> does high-res *feedback* go onto imply actual feature resolution?
[01:34:36] <archivist> that also depends on the cutting technology
[01:55:40] <archivist> eg think of a lens grinder broad grinding wheel but highly accurate positioning in the machine
[01:59:42] <Deejay> moin
[03:51:31] <Crom> wow 8 picometer 8/1,000,000,000 of a milimeter
[04:44:29] <herron_> less than a gnats cock
[04:49:43] <Crom> smaller than a bch
[09:42:45] <ssi> wat
[09:44:10] <pcw_home> he said captain?
[09:46:40] <ssi> ...yes?
[10:19:03] <Deejay> oh captain, my captain
[12:13:46] <archivist> various metrology information
http://www.hn-metrology.com/vault.htm
[12:14:58] <_methods> my weather is just fine
[12:15:39] <_methods> hehe
[12:16:11] * archivist slaps _methods with a gauge block
[12:16:49] <_methods> hahah
[12:17:02] <_methods> i get all my news from the metrology man
[12:17:07] <archivist> was googling fer thermal errors using a micrometer
[12:18:56] <archivist> seems less important than I though....but....why is my result of measuring a few 1" standards showing a large ish error for the quartz glass optical parallel
[12:20:56] <archivist> I dont have any sensible heating to bring a room to 20 deg C
[12:22:18] <ssi> archivist: what's large-ish
[12:22:43] <archivist> at the bottom of the page
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/screw_error/NPL_Design_Micrometer.php
[12:23:11] <archivist> 2 tenths
[12:24:09] <archivist> I did some maths and got 0.000002181 " for thermal error
[12:24:18] <ssi> lol
[12:24:57] <archivist> to a gnats cock its large!
[12:27:15] <ssi> that's why I always keep gnats around when there's ladies present
[12:27:41] * cpresser needs open-loop servo amplifiers with 0-10V input for brushed-dc-motors (200W, 110W, 80W, 20W). any hints on which product i should get?
[12:40:07] <ssi> cpresser: I've had good luck with AMC drives... they're inexpensive on ebay
[12:46:12] <cpresser> ssi: looking at amc drives right now, but i cant seem to find any on ebay :/
[12:49:15] <ssi> what voltage do you intend to run the motors at
[12:49:20] <cpresser> ssi: i do have the orginal drives, but they have a integrated PI controller. so far i couldnt figure out how to use them in velocity mode
[12:49:26] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Advanced-Motion-Control-Brush-Type-PWM-Servo-Amplifier-30A8T-X16-/131497509232?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e9ddcc170
[12:49:40] <andypugh> Is there a way for G-code to find the pocket of the tool in the spindle?
[12:49:57] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Advanced-Motion-Controls-Brush-Type-PWM-Servo-Amplifier-/181316559854?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a374f23ee
[12:50:17] <ssi> 30A8T drives are good for 30A up to 80V
[12:50:23] <ssi> I think it's 30A peak, 15A continuous
[12:50:38] <cpresser> that would be more than enought for my motors.
[12:51:00] <ssi> they need tach feedback for velocity mode
[12:51:06] <ssi> but they'll run torque mode also
[12:51:22] <andypugh> Answering my own question: #<_current_pocket>
[12:51:26] <cpresser> I do have optical A/B/Z encoders
[12:51:40] <ssi> there are AMC drives that support encoder feedback for velocity mode
[12:51:52] <ssi> or you can run these in torque mode and close the velocity loop in linuxcnc
[12:52:21] <cpresser> well, i could use the spare analog-outs of the 7i77 to generate a tach signal
[12:52:38] <ssi> I dunno how well that'd work
[12:52:40] <ssi> might have lag issues
[12:52:53] <ssi> http://www.a-m-c.com/download/datasheet/be12a6.pdf
[12:52:57] <ssi> those support encoder velocity
[12:53:03] * cpresser is quite new to servos. i am trying to understand how the amps work
[12:53:07] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMC-Advanced-Motion-Controls-BE12A6B-X05-Brushless-PWM-Servo-Amplifier-/181729073422?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a4fe5990e
[12:53:20] <PetefromTn_> andypugh What are ya workin on? ;)
[12:53:51] <cpresser> ssi: most likeky i just need to understand how the old amps are supposed to be interfaced
[12:53:58] <andypugh> I am trying to sort out a tool changer
[12:54:08] <andypugh> (Gor someone else, I am my tool changer)
[12:54:13] <ssi> cpresser: what's the machine?
[12:54:13] <PetefromTn_> what kind of toolchanger
[12:54:27] <cpresser> ssi:
https://ca.rstenpresser.de/blag/2015/04/hirata-ar-c270-scara-robot-retrofit-part1/
[12:54:31] <andypugh> I don’t know, I have not seen it. But I think it is a carousel :-)
[12:54:42] <PetefromTn_> Woohoo LOL
[12:54:57] <andypugh> I have written a couple of HAL components to help
[12:55:18] <ssi> neat
[12:55:22] <cpresser> ssi: the amps have a 'REF'-input (speed command), 'F/S'-input (F/V conversion) and some enables
[12:55:40] <cpresser> ssi: a 'stop' (FET cutoff) and 'GC (P/PI mode)
[12:55:48] <andypugh> PetefromTn_:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/27-driver-boards/28765-another-qwhat-do-i-needq-thread-vmc-retrofit?start=90#58177
[12:55:50] <PetefromTn_> I have been doing some Tig welding today for a customer but was running the Cinci all week on a prototype job.
[12:56:24] <cpresser> ssi: no matter what volate i apply to 'REF', the motor starts to spin really fast. 0.1V or 10V, doesnt make a difference
[12:57:01] <ssi> hm
[12:57:14] <PetefromTn_> I really need to get this toolchanger working at some point here heh
[12:57:20] <ssi> PetefromTn_: yeah you do
[12:57:42] <PetefromTn_> I know I know but I am just not good at this part :(
[12:57:45] <ssi> andypugh: are you sorting out spindle orient for that toolchanger?
[12:57:52] <ssi> spindle orient is what pete's hung up on
[12:58:05] <andypugh> Spindle orient isn’t too hard
[12:58:40] <andypugh> Does this help?
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SpindleOrient
[13:00:29] <ssi> yeah it does
[13:00:31] <ssi> I've seen this before
[13:01:05] <PetefromTn_> I can't even read that shit LOL
[13:01:17] <ssi> pete you gotta get your head wrapped around hal
[13:02:22] <PetefromTn_> What do you mean I have played with the hal quite a bit
[13:02:23] <andypugh> Or circuit diagrams, or flow-charts
[13:02:44] <ssi> then go set up the orient!
[13:02:50] <ssi> well, first things first
[13:02:55] <ssi> go set up a velocity pid for your spindle
[13:05:11] <PetefromTn_> I can't mess with it right now I have some tig work to do here and then I am taking this prototype to meet with my customer this afternoon and hopefully will be picking up a bunch of parts to machine.
[13:05:37] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I am in over my head with the whole damn thing I think...
[13:06:29] <ssi> that's why I said you need to get your head wrapped around it
[13:06:30] <PetefromTn_> just pretty frustrated with my lack of understanding of how it needs to work and what is the best method of setting it up. There have been several different scenarios tossed around on here
[13:06:48] <ssi> first thing you need to do is get the spindle under positive control
[13:06:52] <PetefromTn_> Not really sure which was the best or even if any of them will work
[13:06:59] <ssi> setting up a velocity pid isn't terribly hard
[13:07:00] <andypugh> You can copy the whole config directory, then leave the working one working, and experiment in the new one.
[13:07:03] <PetefromTn_> The spindle is under modbus control right now
[13:07:23] <ssi> yeah and that's the one thing I'm not sure about
[13:07:39] <PetefromTn_> I am to the point where I would fucking pay someone to come up here and help me with it..
[13:07:40] <ssi> can a pid control modbus speed quickly enough to be stable
[13:07:46] <andypugh> That’s fine, the align stuff just feeds whatever feeds the modbus at the moment
[13:07:55] <PetefromTn_> no modbus is apparently NOt fast enough
[13:08:20] <andypugh> It ought to be with the right (slow) tuning.
[13:08:36] <PetefromTn_> Pete helped me to do a test of it and the consensus was that it would not be fast enough
[13:10:22] <PetefromTn_> Wonderful net splits...Rolleyes
[13:22:56] <andypugh> mhaberler:
http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commit;h=3133713553da54cf3a7e89072b107882cae36403 means that iocontrol and #<_current_pocket> / #<_selected_pocket> now disagree about pocket numbers
[13:29:30] <_methods> anyone in here familiar with john deere gators?
[13:29:48] <_methods> i've got a bad igniter according to the measurements
[13:29:58] <_methods> but what in the world is in the igniter?
[13:31:07] <_methods> http://ww2.justanswer.com/uploads/motoforge/2011-08-23_011218_igniter_test_kawasaki.jpg
[13:31:16] <_methods> the individual igniter is what i have
[13:31:42] <_methods> little metal case full of some magical electronic components and i can't find anything out about it
[13:33:51] <_methods> http://imgur.com/thplcWE
[13:33:55] <_methods> that's what it looks like
[13:34:38] <andypugh> What does it connect to? It seems remarkably short of terminals
[13:34:47] <_methods> http://imgur.com/0JMn20G
[13:34:49] <_methods> and other side
[13:34:58] <_methods> top tab screw to chassis
[13:35:06] <_methods> and the other terminal to a wire
[13:35:37] <_methods> which i believe connects to the ignition coil
[13:36:49] <Aero-Tec> is it hard to setup machine error axis compensation in linuxcnc?
[13:38:24] <cradek> well measuring the errors can be hard
[13:39:28] <Aero-Tec> would like to tweak things a tad to over come some machine errors
[13:39:50] <Aero-Tec> I head it can be done and was wondering how hard it would be to do
[13:40:40] <Aero-Tec> I have cheap china machines and they are not the high end ones
[13:40:56] <cradek> linuxcnc has screw compensation
[13:41:00] <Aero-Tec> so like low end chins ones
[13:41:11] <cradek> I don't know what errors you're talking about, or what your skills are, so I can't guess how hard it would be for you
[13:42:25] <Aero-Tec> ok so set up screw comp to over come axis errors
[13:42:51] <_methods> anyone got any good tricks for depotting electronic devices like that ignitor
[13:42:54] <Aero-Tec> I have written code, but know very little about linuxcnc
[13:42:59] <_methods> i want to see what the hell it is
[13:43:58] <Aero-Tec> I find programming linuxcnc some what a mystery
[13:44:38] <Aero-Tec> programming input pins and routing controls are way above me at this time
[13:44:49] <Aero-Tec> would love to understand it
[13:45:59] <Aero-Tec> the docs I have read do not explain it very well, or at least well enough for me to understand it
[13:46:27] <cradek> if you have a specific question to ask, ask it
[13:46:55] <Aero-Tec> why one does one thing and not another, and how it all works together is a total mystery to me at this time
[13:47:03] <cradek> sigh
[13:47:22] <Aero-Tec> I did ask and you answered
[13:47:29] <Aero-Tec> screw comp
[13:47:46] <Aero-Tec> will have to look at that more to see how hard it is to set up
[13:48:23] <Aero-Tec> any recommended reading as to setting up screw comp?
[13:48:36] <CaptHindsight> Aero-Tec: unfortunately all the unpaid expressive writing interns went elsewhere :)
[13:49:39] <Aero-Tec> would be cool to have some yourtube vids of how and why to do things
[13:49:41] <cradek> http://www.google.com/?q=linuxcnc+screw+comp
[13:49:46] <CaptHindsight> Linuxcnc has way more docs than just about any open source project of this magnitude
[13:50:09] <Aero-Tec> yes, and that is so cool
[13:50:26] <Aero-Tec> but some things are not explained very well
[13:51:11] <CaptHindsight> the wiki is open for editing :)
[13:51:18] <Aero-Tec> or I have not found the docs that bridge some of the things one needs to know to know what to do
[13:51:48] <CaptHindsight> tes, there are far more features and code than there are step by step explanations
[13:51:52] <CaptHindsight> tes/yes
[13:52:15] <Aero-Tec> I know I am missing just a few simple things to understand it more
[13:52:34] <Aero-Tec> like the routing of pins and control system
[13:52:50] <Aero-Tec> how it all works together
[13:53:37] <Aero-Tec> maybe it is way more then just a few things I am missing to understand it
[13:53:44] <CaptHindsight> one of the problems I've found with open source is how much developer time gets wasted by people asking "can you do this for me?" or try to manipulate the project direction to their personal wants or tastes (not saying this about you)
[13:54:27] <Aero-Tec> but was hoping with some basic understanding I could figure the rest out
[13:55:00] <roycroft> my biggest problem with open source is the lack of time spent on documentation and the assumption by the developers that the end user is as familiar with the code and as technically proficient as they are
[13:55:19] <CaptHindsight> Aero-Tec: try the mail list, that's where I see long discussions even over minutia
[13:55:24] <roycroft> that is not universally the case by any means, but it's all too common
[13:55:41] <CaptHindsight> yes, read my mind
[13:56:04] <CaptHindsight> but after getting code working often there's not much energy or time left for writing docs
[13:56:11] <_methods> ^^
[13:56:23] <_methods> or desire lol
[13:56:27] <roycroft> i'm not faulting open source developers for that necessarily
[13:56:57] <Aero-Tec> I was not complaining, just stating
[13:57:01] <roycroft> but pointing out that it's often a big obstacle
[13:57:13] <CaptHindsight> some devs find expressing themselves through written word to be one of life's most difficult tasks, but they are genius code writers
[13:57:18] <Aero-Tec> and yes I can see where the doc can be a real pain
[13:57:27] <_methods> the answers are there you however must dig for them occasionaly
[13:57:39] <_methods> or all the time :)
[13:57:40] <_methods> hehe
[13:57:54] <roycroft> the only time i point fingers back at developers is when they don't document well and then complain that people aren't using their code
[13:58:51] <cradek> can I also point fingers at the users when they don't read the existing docs or do a google search?
[13:58:59] <_methods> ^^
[13:59:22] <Aero-Tec> BTW many many THANKS for all the work you guys put into this
[13:59:47] <Aero-Tec> this has to be the most cool open source project of all time
[14:00:24] <Aero-Tec> I have had tons of fun building and working my cnc machines
[14:00:38] <CaptHindsight> other projects spend much of their time arguing over white space, formatting, the repo chosen and even the format used for the forums
[14:00:48] <Aero-Tec> all made possible by this project
[14:02:18] <CaptHindsight> at least we have adult developers, some projects act like they are being led by junior high kids
[14:02:43] <Aero-Tec> all I can say is thank you for your time and skill and dedication to making it happen
[14:03:00] <Aero-Tec> I know it was and is no small task
[14:04:08] <Aero-Tec> I would like to get the cash together to pay someone to help me understand and help make some changes to how some things work
[14:04:23] <_methods> now those are magic words
[14:04:39] <_methods> cash always helps to lubricate the assistance process lol
[14:04:49] <Aero-Tec> is there a going rate for getting help from a pro that knows their stuff?
[14:05:03] <CaptHindsight> and it gets rid of the leeches
[14:06:03] <Aero-Tec> not all that seem like leaches are
[14:06:24] <_methods> no i'm definitely a leech
[14:06:36] <Aero-Tec> some are just to poor to lubricate things like that would like
[14:06:38] <CaptHindsight> I'd ask specific questions on the ML, then it might even be possible to cut and past the info to the wiki with some minor editing
[14:07:04] <Aero-Tec> ML?
[14:07:08] <_methods> yeah drop the cash bomb on the mailing list
[14:07:11] <CaptHindsight> mail list
[14:07:16] <Aero-Tec> ok
[14:07:17] <_methods> i'm sure you'll get some response
[14:08:13] <Aero-Tec> that would be the developer one not the user one right?
[14:08:21] <Aero-Tec> I am on both
[14:08:27] <CaptHindsight> that what was great about the Linuxcnc fest, everyone in the same space and discussing how it works
[14:08:40] <_methods> i'd drop it in the user list
[14:08:51] <Aero-Tec> cool thanks
[14:09:02] <Aero-Tec> will have to save up
[14:11:42] <Aero-Tec> started on a very frayed shoestring
[14:11:53] <Aero-Tec> tooling is and was a killer
[14:12:34] <Aero-Tec> machines are the cheap part of getting started
[14:12:44] <Aero-Tec> well mine were
[14:12:59] <Aero-Tec> getting the good stuff is not cheap at all
[14:31:52] <_methods> what are these cheap machines you have?
[15:01:41] <MrFluffy> Hello people, newby question, at the moment my final spindle speed output line in hal is net spindle-out <= stepgen.4.step => parport.1.pin-16-out, but I want to add the gearchange component into it so it scales correctly from backgear/normal spindle speed. Would I do a net stepgen.4.step gearchange.0.speed-in on the line before, then replace this line with net spindle-out <= gearchange.0.speed-out -> parport.1.pin-16-out, or wo
[15:04:13] <MrFluffy> I have got my spindle speed changing working with the step to volt board feeding analog 0-10v into the vfd, but am worried about overheating my spindle motor at below 300rpm because of lack of fan. So another microswitch to sense gear position and when s drops below 300 it makes sense to select backgear and invert the direction sense.
[15:11:43] <CaptHindsight> MrFahrenheit: you might want to pastebin your HAL file for people to see
[15:12:44] <CaptHindsight> it's much easier to discuss config files when you can see them complete
[15:15:54] <MrFluffy> CaptHindsight: Did your autocomplete pick up MrFahrenheit and that was for me or did they pose a question before my arrival?
[15:19:04] <CaptHindsight> MrFluffy: yes
[15:19:14] <CaptHindsight> your question
[15:20:47] <MrFluffy> It was does gearchange component go between the scaler and stepgen, or between the output of the stepgen and the pin out section, but Ive been over verbose sorry, but I can put it on pastebin
[15:21:16] <MrFluffy> but first, It occurs to me that I should just go try both first and see.
[15:21:22] <MrFluffy> brb
[15:54:33] <jtektool> Anyone know how to tell which is + an which is - on the +/- 10v servo amps servo dynamics in an anilam controller? (crusader M)
[16:02:35] <jtektool> I have a black wire with green (gnd) and a black wire and a clear wire....
[16:03:45] <Rab> Seems like clear would be (+), but I don't know about your specific case.
[16:08:23] <XXCoder1> lol
http://notalwayslearning.com/magic-schoolbus/37370
[16:12:06] <Computer_barf> humm ok so ive compiled a kernel with rt-prempt, have gotten the right linuxcnc-dev, gotten pretty far
[16:12:31] <Computer_barf> but now it doesn't seem to be connecting to the card
[16:12:58] <Computer_barf> when i hook up the 7i76e directly from the computer to the card, and ping it, I don't get a response
[16:13:17] <Computer_barf> which makes me wonder, am I even supposed to hook it up directly, i don't know.
[16:13:35] <furrywolf> you might need a crossover cable to do that. not sure if it auto-switches or not...
[16:14:00] <Computer_barf> yes i was having a similar thought while typeing
[16:14:22] <Computer_barf> i pm'ed pcw, im sure he'll know
[16:15:00] <Deejay> gn8
[16:16:45] <Computer_barf> im trying to keep a record of the stuff ive done so i can post it to a blog for the next guy
[16:17:58] <Computer_barf> i think maybe the manuel might mention crossover cable
[16:18:01] <Computer_barf> if its needed
[16:18:07] <Computer_barf> ima do a search
[16:18:47] * furrywolf hopes to be the next wolfy, if ever able to afford one
[16:22:39] <furrywolf> grrr. looks like my drain pan has wandered off.
[16:30:10] <Computer_barf> * generic bodily functions drain pan joke inserted here
[16:31:59] <furrywolf> I'm changing the radiator on my van... needs not one, but two drain pans. I hate automatics.
[16:35:33] <MrFluffy> Computer_barf: do you have some rj45 crimps? put a 568a wired plug on one end and a 568b on the other, and that works as a cross cable at 100bT, not for gig though I think, it doesnt swap all the pins correctly.
[16:36:41] * furrywolf has never used gige
[16:50:01] <robinsz> hi guys
[16:50:28] <MrFluffy> Ok, I admit defeat, I am doing something silly with pointers and values, here is my hal config, and I am trying to connect a scaler to the gearchange function, and then the output from that into stepgen to provide a analog step to drive my vfd, but
http://pastebin.com/CdhZpgx1 , error is bridgeport_interact1.hal:66: Signal name 'gearchange.0.speed-in' must not be the same as a pin. Did you omit the signal name?
[16:50:51] <MrFluffy> that pastebin is my hal config
[16:50:54] <Computer_barf2> MrFluffy: sorry ive been going on/off the network while experementing as I only have one ethernet port, but no I do not have any crims
[16:50:56] <Computer_barf2> crimps
[16:51:14] <robinsz> any of you in the USA? I know this isnt a CNC question, but you may be able to help ... I'm trying to find some solvent based contact adhesive in the USA ... like "Evostik" in the UK/Europ ... there must be an equivalent in the USA?
[16:51:52] <robinsz> we use it for securing components on PCBs where they may be subject to vibration .. like tall capacitors
[16:51:59] <MrFluffy> Ive done it twisting wires together after cutting a lead in desperation, but its not pretty...
[16:52:23] <robinsz> we group them on the PCB and then add some Evostik in production to glue the block together
[16:52:30] <MrFluffy> do you mean like a conformel coating robin?
[16:52:33] <robinsz> can we find somethign liek that in USA? no.
[16:52:47] <robinsz> no, I mean like rubbery glue in a tube
[16:53:01] <MrFluffy> conformal even
[16:53:15] <robinsz> nah, not like that
[16:53:39] <cradek> sounds a little like "shoe goo"
[16:53:59] <robinsz> http://www.mugi.co.uk/img_tut/evostik_1.jpg
[16:53:59] <cradek> I think it stays rubbery when cured
[16:54:07] <cradek> I don't know what's used on electronics
[16:54:33] <robinsz> neither do we, which is kinda holding up production in the USA ;) ..
[16:55:10] <robinsz> does "shoe goo" smell kinda petrolleum sovent based?
[16:55:49] <cradek> I don't remember, sorry
[16:56:25] <MrFluffy> masterbond, or 3m market in the USA,
http://www.masterbond.com/products/one-component-epoxy-systems
[16:56:35] <_methods> i use hot glue gun
[16:59:51] <PCW> Computer_barf2: a plain straight through cable will work
[17:01:22] <PCW> The 7I76E's MAC chip has MDI-X capability so will swap TX and RX if need be
[17:04:25] <PCW> if you cant ping the 7I76E it likely means your host interface setup (IP address and netmask)
[17:04:26] <PCW> is not right or the 7I76E is not at the IP address you are pinging
[17:07:34] <Computer_barf2> PCW:
http://pastebin.com/RF6rUhTr
[17:08:00] <Computer_barf2> i believe I had completed the stuff mentioned in man hm2_eth
[17:08:50] <PCW> umm that wont work
[17:09:18] <Computer_barf2> ok cool well its better that im just doing it wrong
[17:09:52] <Computer_barf2> i mean, i only have one ethernet connection on the board, so im plugging / unplugging
[17:10:24] <Computer_barf2> I plan on picking up a usb ethernet thingie
[17:10:54] <PCW> if you are using the EEPROM default address of 10.10.10.10 (IP address jumpers = down,up)
[17:10:56] <PCW> you need to set the host address so it can route to 10.10.10.10
[17:11:11] <PCW> suggested host address is 10.10.10.1
[17:11:57] <Computer_barf2> oh the w2 , w3 jumpers are currently set to up
[17:12:07] <Computer_barf2> wait
[17:12:07] <Computer_barf2> down
[17:12:34] <Computer_barf2> so i thought i would be contacting it at 192.168.1.121
[17:12:35] <PCW> for the 10.10.10.10 address you need to set the jumpers down,up
[17:12:48] <Computer_barf2> ok changing jumpers
[17:13:02] <PCW> and cycle the 7I76e power
[17:13:11] <Computer_barf2> lol i was in the middle of asking that
[17:13:21] <Computer_barf2> humm ive not installed a switch yet
[17:13:27] <Computer_barf2> one second
[17:14:15] <Computer_barf2> oh der, i can pull the whole green thing
[17:15:52] <Computer_barf2> ok so when you say host address , i need to change /etc/network/interfaces?
[17:16:13] <Computer_barf2> and this would probably break the internet Im currently using i would think
[17:16:39] <robinsz> MrFluffy, yeah, its not an epoxy, thats for sure
[17:16:54] <robinsz> hot melt is something else
[17:17:08] <robinsz> cradek: thanks for the shoe goo tip, i will investigate ...
[17:17:34] <robinsz> I suspect it may be banned in california due to voc's
[17:18:04] <PCW> yes so I dont suggest doing this unless you have another Ethernet card/WIFI dongle/USB Ethernet adapter etc or its rather painful
[17:18:53] <Computer_barf2> i have a wifi dongle but , idk if its not configured right but ive never received a wireless signal out to the millshack
[17:19:51] <MrFluffy> robinsz: I think your looking for something like this then
http://www.ellsworth.com/products/by-market/consumer-products/sealants/silicone/dow-corning-737-neutral-cure-sealant-silicone-clear-300-ml-cartridge/
[17:20:10] <MrFluffy> its silicone but it has to be neutral cure, to stop acid damage to the pcb
[17:20:22] <Computer_barf2> but if I unplug, replug and ping 10.10.10.10 should I get a response or no because its configured to reply to 10.10.10.1?
[17:20:47] <robinsz> Nope, thats a silicone .. thats a lot thicker and stiffer and low bond
[17:21:13] <MrFluffy> Computer_barf2: could you alias a second ip to the interface? ifconfig eth0:2 10.10.10.1/24 for eg
[17:21:28] <Rab> robinsz, this seems like a good expansion on MrFluffy's suggestion:
http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/18525/what-kind-of-glue-should-i-use-for-pcb-mounted-components-to-avoid-vibrations
[17:21:47] <MrFluffy> you run risk of having to go out and alter it if you get it wrong remote of course
[17:21:51] <PCW> its not configured to reply to any IP address, it simply replies to the device that talks to it
[17:22:18] <Computer_barf2> ok so theoretically if I ping 10.10.10.10 now it should reply back
[17:22:28] <MrFluffy> I mean the host machine, alias a second network range onto the ethernet address, keep internet connectivity on first ip, get onto 10.10.10 network on aliased ip
[17:22:46] <MrFluffy> I have to do horrible things like that quite often when devices get power cycled and come up on funny management ranges
[17:23:06] <Computer_barf2> no need to complicate things, I'll pick up a usb ethernet tonight
[17:23:07] <PCW> so if the host is 10.10.10.X , netmask 255.255.255.0 (where X is not 10) its reachable
[17:23:41] <Computer_barf2> I'm incompetent enough to want to stick to as strait forward as possible.
[17:25:39] <MrFluffy> ok, but its a one liner temporary issued as root, ifconfig eth0:1 10.10.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0, and when you reboot it wont persist if it gets messed up because its not in /etc/interfaces
[17:25:54] <MrFluffy> assuming your nic is eth0
[17:26:22] <Rab> robinsz, also, are you certain Evostik is not available in USA? The manufacturer does have a US presence:
http://www.bostik-us.com/our-brands/evostik
[17:26:36] <MrFluffy> if you do a ifconfig afterwards, you see eth0 and a second entry for the aliased range as eth0:1
[17:26:48] <Computer_barf2> PCW i know your probably a busy person, do you suppose there is a time you are likely to be around after I pick up the usb ethernet?
[17:26:52] <MrFluffy> but its also always handy to have a usb nic
[17:27:32] <robinsz> Rab: well, in the Uk you can find it in every corner hardware store .. in the USA I have toured every hardware store and not found anything even nearly like it
[17:29:03] <Rab> robinsz, tried calling the manufacturer?
[17:29:26] <robinsz> that looks like hte next option .. but they will be Americans ...
[17:29:33] <Computer_barf2> im always seeing products with labels saying the product isn't allowed in commiefornia
[17:29:35] <robinsz> so its going to be kinda difficult
[17:29:45] <robinsz> yeah, we are in cali
[17:29:48] <robinsz> Ventura
[17:30:03] <Rab> robinsz, why is that difficult? Spoken language barrier?
[17:30:13] <robinsz> no, worse
[17:30:32] <Rab> I am in Texas, the worst kind of America, and you're talking to me just fine.
[17:30:57] <robinsz> its hard to comminicate when the other side has fewer neurons than my pet turtle
[17:31:03] <robinsz> you are an exception
[17:31:13] <robinsz> there are intelligent american
[17:31:29] <robinsz> but you wont find them answering the phone at a glue company
[17:31:41] <MrFluffy> its because evostik is a uk branding
[17:31:58] <PCW> aliasing will work for futzing around but not for realtime
[17:32:05] <Computer_barf2> have you tried searching ebay
[17:32:16] <robinsz> mmm hmm
[17:32:23] <robinsz> I'll call them
[17:32:26] <MrFluffy> I think they have titebond as a equivalent, but I will let someone else comment on its application as Ive never seen the stuff
[17:32:30] <robinsz> here goes nothing ...
[17:33:05] <robinsz> titebond is water based PVA
[17:34:14] <robinsz> evostick looks like ... something out of a giant zit ... or yournose
[17:34:40] <robinsz> imagine you had a real bad cough ... yellow sticky crap
[17:34:47] <MrFluffy> we get the sadler brand here, its even nastier because its gone off yellow in color
[17:34:54] <robinsz> thats what evostik looks like, colour and feel
[17:34:57] <MrFluffy> but here is continental europe so no use
[17:35:18] <robinsz> which bit of eu you in?
[17:35:21] <Computer_barf2> on ebay it all says shipping from the uk
[17:35:23] <MrFluffy> I know evostik, we used to find it in the back alleys next to plastic bags when I lived in the UK
[17:35:32] <robinsz> yes, exactly
[17:35:32] <MrFluffy> Im in France
[17:35:33] <Computer_barf2> looks like an economic arbitrage oppertunity
[17:35:37] <robinsz> oh, france
[17:35:46] <Computer_barf2> get a hundred of them shipped to you
[17:35:49] <robinsz> my sincere condolences
[17:35:53] <robinsz> I may do that yet
[17:35:56] <Computer_barf2> and start selling them on ebay locally to the us
[17:36:01] <robinsz> hah
[17:36:09] <Computer_barf2> pocket the profits in glue
[17:36:19] <Computer_barf2> free lifetime supplt
[17:36:19] <robinsz> im sending a 40' container next month
[17:36:32] <robinsz> I'll just throw 100 in, will be easier
[17:36:46] <Computer_barf2> excellent, your in the glue buisness now
[17:36:52] <robinsz> I put my spare router on eBay ...
[17:36:58] <robinsz> if anyone fancies a project
[17:37:23] <Computer_barf2> alot of routers have gpio pins
[17:37:35] <robinsz> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bulleri-CNC-Router-/261867377741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cf883144d
[17:37:49] <robinsz> easy fix if you fancy a project
[17:41:20] <Crom> nice radio description
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-YICKbcC-A
[17:41:25] <Crom> radar
[17:41:49] <MrFluffy> Ok, I really dont understand hal and I am getting mixed up with typing of the variables I think, I have a scaler that works and gives output as scale.0.out, and I want to pipe this INTO gearchange as a gearchange.o.speed-in
[17:42:00] <MrFluffy> gearchange.0.speed-in even
[17:42:31] <MrFluffy> but when I use net gearchange.0.speed-in <= scale.0.out in hal to connect them I get the error Signal name 'gearchange.0.speed-in' must not be the same as a pin. Did you omit the signal name?
[17:42:48] <MrFluffy> so Im using hal wrong I am sure, but which bit do I need to rtfm a bit more?
[17:44:08] <MrFluffy> furrywolf: I fixed my vfd so it scales properly, the step duration was set to 1, and when I set it to 10,000 it started working stable, so I assume it needed the longer duration to work. So now Im trying to break it again to get gearchange to select backgear...
[17:46:25] <MrFluffy> does pin mean a declared static integer and a signal contains a pointer to a variable?
[18:02:45] <LeelooMinai> Sometimes a pin is just a pin
[18:03:08] <PCW> net gc0 gearchange.0.speed-in <= scale.0.out
[18:03:42] <PCW> first token after net is the signal (wire) name
[18:03:56] <PCW> _not_ a pin
[18:07:51] <andypugh> robinsz: No help. but Cow Gum is close
[18:08:58] <robinsz> is it made from real cows?
[18:09:08] <andypugh> Made by Mr Cow
[18:10:53] <robinsz> surely that would be Mrs Cow?
[18:11:08] <robinsz> anyway, ta, will check
[18:12:14] <MrFluffy> PCW: Thanks, I think I have it figured out, now to add the microswitch + test it which Ill do tomorrow as I just tucked the shop up in bed for the night
[18:12:39] <robinsz> andypugh, it looks like it is UK only
[18:12:44] <MrFluffy> If I leave it on overnight, the bjur oiler covers everything in oil the whole time its powered up
[18:15:38] <andypugh> I am pretty sure that Evo-Stik is a rubber solution
[18:18:06] <andypugh> robinsz:
http://elmers.com/product/detail/E1014
[18:19:07] <andypugh> robinsz: Maybe buy this and see if it has the same features?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Elmers-Craft-Rubber-Cement-4-Ounces/dp/B004BPM8OG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1430434601&sr=8-4&keywords=elmers+cement
[18:19:32] <robinsz> looks promising
[18:19:34] <robinsz> well doen
[18:19:38] <robinsz> have a cookie
[18:35:38] <MrFluffy> andypugh: the holes on your piston skirt are a crude attempt to control expansion rates on the skirt with the tech of the day, according to a friend who knows about pistons
[18:36:02] <MrFluffy> on the neracar piston picture.
[18:37:08] <andypugh> Ah, makes some sense
[18:37:20] <andypugh> I wonder if it worked?
[18:38:06] <MrFluffy> did it win any races back in the day?
[18:39:28] <andypugh> No, it was slow even when new
[18:39:56] <andypugh> http://www.motorcyclecannonball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=268:how-i-crossed-america-on-neracar
[18:40:06] <Rab> Top speed 35 mph
[18:40:11] <MrFluffy> Ive never seen it since, so I guess it was yet another evolutionary dead end
[18:40:19] <Rab> The Ner-A-Car won several medals for reliability in long-distance road trials, including the team prize in the 1925 ACU 1000 mile Stock Machine Trial.
[18:40:22] <Rab> So there.
[18:40:34] <MrFluffy> my friend knows about skirt drillings because he saw it on top fuel harley pistons when they put teflon buttons in
[18:40:58] <MrFluffy> they ended up changing the design because they were buckling into the walls after the modifications
[18:42:15] * robinsz laughs
[18:42:15] <MrFluffy> teflon/PEEK, you know what I meant Im sure
[18:42:20] <robinsz> top fuel HD?
[18:42:22] <andypugh> This is annoying. I spent most of a day a few weeks ago making some gears for someone to fix his lathe in the US (Rivett 608). I posted them, they got to O’Hare airport, and were never seen again. So today I have been making another set. All for free :-(
[18:42:50] <andypugh> I didn’t mind doing it once for free, but twice is annoying.
[18:42:58] <robinsz> UPS?
[18:43:01] <robinsz> or DHL?
[18:43:04] <andypugh> Royal Mail
[18:43:07] <robinsz> ah
[18:43:17] <robinsz> hahahahahahahahaha
[18:43:26] <robinsz> I could have forseen that
[18:43:32] <andypugh> Tracked, signed-for, guaranteed delivery. It just wasn’t.
[18:43:42] <robinsz> its royal mail
[18:43:49] <MrFluffy> USPS on the US side then, they have tracking that works internationally
[18:43:54] <robinsz> almost as bad as parcel farce
[18:43:57] <MrFluffy> its royal fails systems that cant interoperate
[18:44:08] <andypugh> Well, to be fair RM got it as far as the US. It was then that iot went wrong.
[18:44:16] <robinsz> yes
[18:44:21] <robinsz> true
[18:44:28] <robinsz> USPS is not great
[18:44:44] <MrFluffy> I sent some cylinders to someone in the USA who claimed they went MIA, and I raised a ticket here in France and in a couple of weeks the guys signature popped out that he had done in the terminal on delivery.
[18:45:10] <MrFluffy> and that was usps on the US side
[18:45:10] <andypugh> As far as I can tell it never got booked into to USPS. I wonder what happens to this stuff? There must be thousands of tons of lost mail every day.
[18:45:26] <robinsz> you have that sort of tech in france?
[18:45:49] <MrFluffy> it goes home, usually its become unboxed on automated handling systems and they cant identify its origins
[18:46:16] <MrFluffy> DPD lost a transformer for me a few weeks back and they were able to identify which delivery vehicle it went missing on between Paris and here.
[18:46:36] <Rab> andypugh, I can't speak to USPS, but the big package carriers eg FedEx and UPS have stores where they sell lost-and-found packages to the public.
[18:47:13] <andypugh> Ah, so perhaps they make more profit from _not_ delivering stuff
[18:47:35] <MrFluffy> Rarity and need it to arrive-ness magnify its ability to get lost.
[18:47:38] <Rab> Valuable items are generally insured, so when insurance pays out the item is considered compensated for. So when it surfaces a month later, there's a question of ownership best resolved by selling it.
[18:47:43] <andypugh> If anyone fancies a bit of a treasure hunt, RN064400916GB
[18:48:09] <andypugh> These gears are insured. But how do I prove value? I made them.
[18:48:29] <MrFluffy> price a set made at a professional shop, theres your price
[18:48:33] <Rab> A friend of mine bought a portable nuclear analyzer from a DHL lost-and-found warehouse. A few hundred for a $15,000+ item.
[18:49:55] <Rab> If insurance pays the $15,000, the claim is legally resolved...they're not going to deliver the compensated item after that!
[18:50:16] <MrFluffy> then it belongs the insurance, not the carrier though
[18:50:39] <MrFluffy> unless they are the insurer also
[18:50:48] <Rab> Sure.
[18:51:07] <Rab> Not sure who exactly operated the lost-and-found store, but it was associated with DHL.
[18:51:29] <MrFluffy> GE does that, it owns car companies, then it owns leasing companies that lease its cars, and also the insurance companies that fleet insure them too, fingers in all pies
[18:51:45] <malcom2073> mmmm pie
[18:53:10] <tjtr33> andypugh, fwiw: never send mail thru USPS in any special manner. guaranteed to slow it up. my check from far side of detroit (windsor CA ) went to toronto on 1 day, then to chicago then next day ( hapapy happy cuz i live in chicago suburbs? wait... ) it sat 1 week and went to Baton Rouge, ( no error. intl 'express' needs to be 'inspected ). it sat in cajun country a week, then bounced around the US and was delivered 6.5 weeks later! ( i can drive to wind
[18:53:10] <tjtr33> sor in 6 hrs!!! )
[18:53:32] <tjtr33> send it a normal and cheap as possible.
[18:57:33] <MrFluffy> its probably routing it so it can be inspected because your a person of interest as you use IRC tjtr :)
[18:58:48] <andypugh> tjtr33: But presumably you know all this because it was tracked? My package arrived on O’Hare on the 18th and hasn’t been seen since.
[19:00:20] <tjtr33> yes i tracked it and it seemed to stagnate several times ( like 9 days max ) so... no feedback = panic.
[19:00:54] <tjtr33> i cant say yours is ok, but i can say it can hibernate for silly periods
[19:01:58] <MrFluffy> Did it enter import customs for inspection or anything? Ive seen them take a week or two to inspect something
[19:02:11] <MrFluffy> my record is 5 weeks with french douannes...
[19:02:38] <andypugh> Feel free to have a look at the tracking, code is RN064400916GB Google can find it.
[19:02:38] <MrFluffy> then they sent me a snail mail letter asking me for details on the item as they hadnt been able to identify what it was
[19:03:38] <MrFluffy> its in chicago as of yesterday?
[19:03:59] <MrFluffy> https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction?qtc_tLabels1=RN064400916GB
[19:05:14] <tjtr33> andypugh, "Your item arrived at our USPS facility in CHICAGO, IL 60701 on April 30, 2015 at 3:56 pm. The item is currently in transit to the destination"
[19:05:17] <tjtr33> thats today
[19:05:41] <andypugh> Oh
[19:05:58] <tjtr33> i'll light a andle and swing a dead cat for you
[19:06:06] <andypugh> It was still “no trace” at USPS this afternoon.
[19:06:36] <tjtr33> maybe you needed a murkin to ask :)
[19:06:37] <andypugh> So it took 13 days to get from Chicago Airport to Chicago
[19:07:22] <MrFluffy> import inspections...
[19:07:41] <MrFluffy> checking your not selling barrel gears for the next iraq supergun
[19:07:53] <tjtr33> i used to think it was just wimmen and weather that could not be explained, now theres USPS "velocity"
[19:08:07] <andypugh> I am even more annoyed now. That’s a completely wasted evening!
[19:08:25] <MrFluffy> you could sell the second set to another rivet owner?
[19:08:40] <andypugh> It’s worth asking, I suppose.
[19:09:13] <MrFluffy> hsm and pm if you have asbestos underpants would seem the likely candidates
[19:09:54] <MrFluffy> though hsm doesnt allow ads openly as its village presses baby, so you would ahve to be somewhat oblique
[19:10:05] <andypugh> There is a Rivett 608 owners Yahoo Group
[19:10:08] <MrFluffy> a small rant about how usps lost them, and now you have two sets by accident
[19:17:02] <MrFluffy> ok time to wrap it up, gnite all
[21:52:05] <zeeshan> someone send me 2 cat40 .75 shell mill holders and 3 ER32 cat40!
[21:52:12] <zeeshan> w/ 2x 3/4" collet and 1/8" collet
[21:52:15] <zeeshan> =]
[21:56:21] <furrywolf> yay, new radiator in van.
[22:00:23] <furrywolf> had to go find a steep hill to drive up and down to get the rear heat bled
[22:42:52] <Aero-Tec> when using G76 for threading I guess there is no way to have the drive line used for the complete run
[22:43:25] <Aero-Tec> my test show that it is drive line plus the thread depth
[22:44:34] <Aero-Tec> and that the return move keeps getting closer to the drive line till the end of threading when it runs along the drive line
[22:45:40] <Aero-Tec> I am cutting some internal threads and running tight inside the hole
[22:46:29] <Aero-Tec> would be nice if the tool return was on the drive line and not adding thread hight to the drive line
[22:49:53] <Aero-Tec> been playing around with testing it and reading the docs
[22:50:11] <Aero-Tec> looks like there is no way using G76 to do it
[22:50:22] <Aero-Tec> let me know if I am wrong
[22:59:24] <furrywolf> blah. got my new tinsel wire... it's too stiff. I'll need to buy thinner.
[23:03:42] <norias> tinsel wire?
[23:04:20] * furrywolf googles for norias
[23:05:16] <norias> eh
[23:06:07] <furrywolf> I'm surprised it doesn't have a wikipedia entry. lol
[23:06:44] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinsel_wire
[23:07:46] <furrywolf> lol
[23:08:14] <furrywolf> that is, in fact, the wrong type of tinsel wire.
[23:09:21] <furrywolf> very similar, but the stuff for speakers uses fine round strands, not foil, and is often silver.
[23:09:37] <furrywolf> and is solderable
[23:10:42] <furrywolf> http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/11933784/H2_Speaker_Lead_Wire_Line.jpg that stuff
[23:11:22] <furrywolf> http://sound.westhost.com/articles/spk-fail-f4.jpg
[23:14:18] <furrywolf> I bought .081 wire because it was cheaper, but it's too thick. ordering some more-expensive .054 now. I guess the fat stuff is used on subs and they sell more of it, or something.
[23:24:31] <PetefromTn_> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206855482046064&set=pcb.860816297321841&type=1&theater
[23:25:31] <Crom> PetefromTn_, This content is currently unavailable
[23:25:53] <PetefromTn_> doh
[23:26:35] <PetefromTn_> works for me here
[23:26:44] <Crom> your content?
[23:26:52] <PetefromTn_> no
[23:27:13] <Crom> The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or you may not have permission to view this page.
[23:27:25] <Crom> perms most probable
[23:27:39] <PetefromTn_> https://www.facebook.com/groups/772213566182115/
[23:29:01] <PetefromTn_> second item down robots
[23:30:37] <Crom> I'm pending.. can't get to them
[23:31:15] <PetefromTn_> ok sorry
[23:36:47] * furrywolf doesn't even bother clicking anything to do with facebook
[23:38:03] <Crom> colinfurze is making a jet kart now
[23:57:18] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
